From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 01:04:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7553A3BEB9; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=A7uF3qFl+xWbddZQ/QCEH6Mja+/FXevwhvYRSth7YZ3xtzx1BHXfL9BTSu5R+j7I7RvBPzFpj/qHjFOejY1yfRwcTLqw5IddKaJSAuuN7l+Rb/DqBZd2GZwqSdNtbPbjEnc8aM91soHajruHudDe6b56uHZjp6NUjCjfu+PTFqI= Message-ID: <9e0440a60612311704w6e6c7bf0q26563a9d1f25ab13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:04:30 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Happy New Year and a Great Loopin' 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123976_14652215.1167613470277" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:04:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_123976_14652215.1167613470277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello to all on the list. I wanted to pass on a great New Year or to those in Europe a belated New Year and the best to everyone in 07 filled with much creative wave, opportunities, collaborative projects, fortune and most importantly, personal and world peace is always the hope in a New Year. In subtle promotion I wanted to mention 3 recently posted video's on YouTube, 2 solo with pieces I wrote for a long time influence and saddly gone, Michael Hedges , and the 3rd featuring a project born from this list connection. Composer/guitarist/loop artist Daryl Shawn and I met back in the summer through a random email I sent for info via loopers-delight. That interaction led to Y2K6 and beyond creating what we call Chinapainting. *Solo video - For Michael* - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvhRDdBvP-I *Solo video - Departures* - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ_Vbk2JIYQ - (forgive the wind noise went for the moment here) *Chinapainting - November 4th*- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkDHjc2h-Cg For any of you who will be at the Winter NAMM show in Anaheim, CA, please let me know as I would like to meet you. I have relationships with GHS Strings and Seagull Guitars and will be around those booths but mostly I'll be roaming the show. For anyone there or with family/friends in the LA area I wanted to also mention that I have one show scheduled while in southern CA. I'll be performing in a *GHS Strings clinic * at the *Puente Hills/Industry City (suburban LA) **Sam Ash Music* * on January 18th at 7pm.* Again it's great to be part of this collective. I hope to get to know everyone better in 07, I came in as said on the throws of Y2K and that said I really look forward to Y2K7 Loopfest. Best to all and Happy New Year. Cheers Jim Goodin http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodin.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_123976_14652215.1167613470277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello to all on the list.  I wanted to pass on a great New Year or to those in Europe a belated New Year and the best to everyone in 07 filled with much creative wave, opportunities, collaborative projects, fortune and most importantly, personal and world peace is always the hope in a New Year.
 
In subtle promotion I wanted to mention 3 recently posted video's on YouTube, 2 solo with pieces I wrote for a long time influence and saddly gone, Michael Hedges, and the 3rd featuring a project born from this list connection.  Composer/guitarist/loop artist Daryl Shawn and I met back in the summer through a random email I sent for info via loopers-delight.  That interaction led to Y2K6 and beyond creating what we call Chinapainting.
 
Solo video - Departures -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ_Vbk2JIYQ - (forgive the wind noise went for the moment here)
 
For any of you who will be at the Winter NAMM show in Anaheim, CA, please let me know as I would like to meet you.  I have relationships with  GHS Strings and Seagull Guitars and will be around those booths but mostly I'll be roaming the show.  For anyone there or with family/friends in the LA area I wanted to also mention that I have one show scheduled while in southern CA.  I'll be performing in a GHS Strings clinic at the Puente Hills/Industry City (suburban LA) Sam Ash Music on January 18th at 7pm.
 
Again it's great to be part of this collective.  I hope to get to know everyone better in 07, I came in as said on the throws of Y2K and that said I really look forward to Y2K7 Loopfest.  Best to all and Happy New Year. 
 
Cheers
 
Jim Goodin


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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodin.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (EoW) - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
Acoustic World Guitar podcast series - http://jimgoodinmusic.libsyn.com
The Language of 3, an introspective performance concept in acoustic music - http://www.languageof3.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_123976_14652215.1167613470277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 01:25:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 719853BEB3; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070101012538.43226.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FBr6EowKpGRxUd1ezB3YC/rNxgi2+U6aObYB5HXHWIkp/qWWDWBGjZYoQoPYuMTW0YJjeEWZClUXlvG1sY6MUFJcIf33A31usAikgxt4KXo6L2MlV1LZkqQ5BIldA1tmslXc3i1v7OczRPtZDPSdbX8SEl5YCcd9Y0jBJ3WErb0=; X-YMail-OSG: hY9dDWMVM1lvOV30QB0Lnd8zDGk5Mu8MJC0K3BiQoOPFakYg0QYBvCNJ1R1mKgIXIXC7qS.ZyzYcQcYBQo4vrXVdn5eEaUsVmZiMDz_5Gmp.peMRFG3InByb.cx.W62yK6d5a0IZfGg4Rag- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: live looping To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5h6DUD.A.vnF.UMGmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:25:40 +0000 (UTC) howdy, can someone explain to me this "live looping" thing? I've been using Ibanez DM-1100s for years by pushing the "Hold" button and manipulating the speed, repetition, and mod controls in real time. I don't know of a way to add things to it once it's "locked". Is this what you guys are discussing? Is there older thrifty type harware out there that will allow me to add sounds as i manipulate the echoes? Am I on the right track here? thanx Rig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 01:45:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5FEC3BEAF; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ts5+K19J7Aw0ylqmaOldbW1Mfh1iJ2TjzAv1q0pwRAa8imbCmQizK3bYkNSi1l1Z3C20rT6ZXYnvVw0Wm5PA70uzAczwn9MYxHqM/utOGkHJT9H0qVV9IQ8Asm2hL42W6Wg/2GaNoWh2YbHgfGhmcEA6z7lvK4OnG56b3qrMta0=; X-YMail-OSG: 2Vki_3QVM1k9s6y4CpWZ88cL3HQIuVcnZ9K5WTA4OY4mB5nwvVqOcpIEgNq1r1w30DY8OdbEKUfGj2nb0hdoQmU15oNmioqYZVrOtCm2Jy4FZxlJ5j3Do2CiPV7vu6tTlWR0YH.Cp.q1EaM- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: live looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070101012538.43226.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <899960.97251.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:45:34 +0000 (UTC) --- bill bigrig wrote: > howdy, > > can someone explain to me this "live looping" > thing? Oh, you're already doing it my friend. > I've been using Ibanez DM-1100s for years by pushing > the "Hold" button and manipulating the speed, > repetition, and mod controls in real time. I don't know about the DM-1100s, but a lot of units in it's day let you "freeze" (Set feedback to 100% and not feed any more signal into the loop) but also allow you to open the loop back up and continue adding. Often if you change the feedback to less than 100% you can get nice evolving loops (though technically it's no longer a true loop we still talk about that effect as such here) There's lots of units that do some looping and not all of them are really expensive. Your best bet is to take a trip over to the "tools of the trade" page on Looper's Delight and read a brief description and review of most of them to get a feel for what's possible. Then check ebay to see the prices of different things. I still think one of the great loopers of our time is the Lexicon JamMan and it can often be found fairly cheaply on ebay. Other classics are the Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro and Electrix Repeater, but they're more high end loopers filled with lots of features and often fetch fairly high prices even used. I think the Echoplex is still in production though. The current most full featured hardware based looper out there is the Looperlative. That baby will set you back $1500 I think, but I'm told it's become an amazing product. If you have a decent computer and firewire or usb2 audio card then Mobius or Angstromloop are VST loopers that are FREE. Angstomloop is very simple (though useful) and Mobius is very full featured and roughly based on the Echoplex. With either you'll also want a MIDI controller. Good luck, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 01:58:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 392943BECC; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Happy 2007 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 02:58:26 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 01:58:56 +0000 (UTC) 2007 will see my new CD out and the Speech project (a ct collective project). happy looping from Barcellona (Spain). fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 02:00:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 764703BECC; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 02:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p7wQjF7wUot8+B1imXQnioUJ74ex15XIQwqlIaMRms5W/UcYKkAnoKUu40WOqN8x4obIHW8izviAFasxIesand6yStp80mPLuwsjSpGbVn3EjNNJxD/pJXGiZ9IB1mRGd16G/lRkEu6uiJB2uigKpSTAqoyDUZ5TITEmxa1gkhU= ; Message-ID: <20070101020000.11316.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6mhLD78VM1nRJszblLdSMXUg.tS9y9nTDGCXoCXVsGT6c9BXTOI39Lt0mZTeRcX3wyO6sii5SJz1Ck8W8niZlXoNDp2ns0HsjV4hJrrcYIICa18AKw6ejJa8VF7JIM1e1O.mNZEFSK5w7Q-- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:00:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 02:00:01 +0000 (UTC) The demise of the LP marked the end of me knowing the names of songs, sadly, but it was all amazing. --- David Coffin wrote: > Man, I’d love to see her; what’s the live version of > Hide and Seek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 02:05:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021803BEB0; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 02:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fb0hGTjFqvilPfbV21NCGanDQ/aNlUuJ1VACCweLRK9lQikzA75d1ArLDX2vi54V; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070101020000.11316.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070101020000.11316.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39B755F3-9C09-42F3-B873-7A8E7571F0E9@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: LOOPING VOCALIST: Imogen Heap Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:05:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7940d71b8bcb3cc90ce61c219e6357ae73350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 02:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I had to dig out the CD to recall the title...but the SOUND is =20 unforgettable: it=92s the vocoded one...watch it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DDaMFXLTSK1Y&mode=3Drelated&search=3D On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:00 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > The demise of the LP marked the end of me knowing the > names of songs, sadly, but it was all amazing. > > --- David Coffin wrote: > >> Man, I=92d love to see her; what=92s the live version of >> Hide and Seek > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 05:34:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E0073BEB5; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 05:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009201c72d66$80ae7720$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: generative rhythm approach Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 21:34:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 05:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, this is cool stuff, Bernhard. Thanks for posting it. I wanted to comment on one thing you wrote as it is a subject that fascinates me with generative rhythms. you wrote: "I think the fascination comes from the equal distance between 1, 2, 3, and 4, consisting of five 16ths each. This creates the illusion of a 5-rhythm which is discarded at the beginning of each bar." A way of viewing all repeating odd time figures (when playing in an even time context improvisationally or compositionally) is that they are displacements of normal even time figures. I call this rhythmic strategy, Rhythmic Displacement It is one of the formal lessons in the Rhythm Intensive that I've started posting so I'll post it later if you are interested. Thanks for the really cool generative approach. I too love generative systems. I always wanted to write a book called Generative Systems for the Modern Drummer for people who can play a simple rock and roll drum beat and play a single stroke drum roll on a snare but who may not live in an area where there is a good teacher to help them with what comes next. If anyone who plays drums on this list wants some cool exercises to expand their skill set on the drumset, let me know I'll send you a couple. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 07:25:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92AD33BEB9; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 07:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-350533838 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Album release Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:24:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=66.248.89.27 X-Originating-IP: 66.248.89.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 07:25:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-350533838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am releasing my new King Never album, Lullabies & Sleepless Nights, tomorrow, January 1, 2007. It's all guitar and mostly looped. The title and material was inspired by my kids. Feedback is always welcome. Samples available at www.kingnever.com/ agnv2.html. Matt P.S. Yes, I'm vying for the coveted "First Looping Album of the Year" award! --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com --Apple-Mail-2-350533838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
I am releasing my new King = Never album, Lullabies & Sleepless Nights, tomorrow, January 1, = 2007.=A0 It's all guitar and mostly looped.=A0 The title and material = was inspired by my kids.=A0=A0

Feedback is always = welcome.=A0 Samples available at www.kingnever.com/agnv2.html<= /A>.



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= --Apple-Mail-2-350533838-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 13:07:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C2F3BEB8; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Q6FzP/Mom2akzmGgZWEiwnS86RnZyc/KeejMdNU2d8JSf+slTufY/5adLIzjbGV4UXQxSLmsiOPpQxTfZ4h6PwsBYmKwNxsWtbIdk8t+3UcWD6jIZL+506pqJXJxKPknLG854/TURZVRtmSDoS3DRqCIOd6DhdgJYvQrfq4jQQI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070101012538.43226.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070101012538.43226.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live looping Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:06:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2NzgY.A.wyH.2dQmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:07:02 +0000 (UTC) On 1 jan 2007, at 02.25, bill bigrig wrote: > howdy, > > can someone explain to me this "live looping" thing? > I've been using Ibanez DM-1100s for years by pushing > the "Hold" button and manipulating the speed, > repetition, and mod controls in real time. That's almost the same Ibanez box that got me into live looping back in the early eighties. > I don't > know of a way to add things to it once it's "locked". I don't think that is possible. What you could do is to hook it up with a mixer, or some other signal splitting device, and send the delay output back into the input - but though a volume pedal. This pedal then becomes what among loopers is called "a feedback pedal". When the "Hold" button is open your loop will stay the same when the pedal is in the "full volume" position and you will be able to add your playing to the looping audio. Lower the pedal volume a bit and your played input will replace the looping audio, a little more for each round depending on pedal position. And if you want to play on top of the loop, without your live playing getting recorded, you simply step on the "Hold" button pedal (my Ibanez had jack for using a normal switcher pedal for the Hold function). Be sure to check out Mark's reply in this thread, some good hints given there. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 14:55:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFA883BEB5; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070101145458.54261.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=W157WZMAa6C5RSbDFA0ksOLFDhKizF6CTiSA1T4PyOoRtN/pDO6Nl8ywWTGGiq7xoF/nR8bTybhe6oL7LzFnioZ26skZXTrL2fSWlOwysohEEVlaaR7hOBzuWjd8yPuyGtbBCjat8SwD/W8vOK0LnbT/ZRu1csQvTXPA5S9dpTk=; X-YMail-OSG: Erl83gsVM1mW_rPd48K9WDDqDvOW8yj9QeUJeblbej.pYN6pG6ZHprxqZZ4dgUOyI3v3B57LJa7nscac9imfRYsTp2DibzAcBG8TisNBciNbTxoG5TAv5g-- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 06:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 2007!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <014001c72c0a$07e40e70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:55:00 +0000 (UTC) wonderful mails brother happy new year to you and all as well! But you didnt tell me you play the armenian Duduk i love that instrument! where did u get it?? Cheers Luis --- RICK WALKER wrote: > Happy New Years to Everybody! > > I think 2007 may be the cultural watershed year of > this first decade of the > new Millennium > in much the way the 1967 and 1968 were defining > years, culturally in the > 1960s. > > We've been in a really flat place for a long time > here in the United States > (waiting out the Bush > regime's end) but I think the tide has turned, > culturally and artistically. > > The older paradigms of the music industry are dying > rapidly (Tower Records > completely out of business?). > We are in a new phase where people don't listen to > whole albums much > anymore..................they are able > to get the lion share of their music for free on the > web and listen to it on > I pods. > > A lot of things are changing which means that a lot > of new ways of > communicating are on their ways. > > The musical and artistic communities of the future > are starting to be built > now through places > like this website, tribe.net, myspace, > youtube.com, etc. > > The amount of information on many, many things > musically is available almost > instantaneously, now on the web. > I spent the evening watching looping French pop > vocalists, Russian world > fusion multi-instrumentalists, 12 years > old South Indian girls who are going to be the next > generations' master > drummers, online tutorials for > Max/MSP and Jitter, directions for reinstalling my > MAudio Firewire audio > computer interface, all > just sitting in front of my computer. I worked > on Arabic maqams on my > Armenian Duduk, my purple anodized > pocket trumpet, my Rick Turner purple fretless > acoustic/electric bass and > my voice out of a book that I found > online and ordered through the independent bookstore > where my wife works. > > Ten years ago, ney five years ago, I couldn't > have possibly had as > productive and knowledge increasing a day as I did > today. > > *********************************** > Someone once said that artists are the Antennae of a > Culture. Because they > are so sensitive, they can frequently see changes > coming in the culture long before they occur. > > It's an exciting time to be alive............... a > challenging time to be > alive, ecologically and economically. > A lot of things are going to change and very, very > rapidly. > > I think we are on the cutting edge in this musical > movement of Live Looping > of a lot of what's going to change and define > the paradigms of live playing in the next decades to > come. > > In the past years, a very large number of very > famous and prominent artists > had musicians in their bands who are using live > looping tools. I saw a > show with Thomas Dolby, Loop Station and Genie > where EVERYONE was looping > live on stage > and there wasn't a single word about Live Looping > anywhere. That made me > really happy. > > We are finally starting to arrive in the musical > landscape. I could not > have written that paragraph 5 years ago. > > Things are changing. > > I feel happy and blessed to be part of this > community that is so innovative > and also so supportive of each other's artistry. > > Happy New Years everyone. May you all have a > fantastic year, creatively. > > Throw caution to the > wind....................................Put out a > CD! > Throw a festival! Buy recordings from your > fellow artists. > Let's do it!!!!!! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 16:34:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41AF63BEB8; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VXgpVaJ5xcPLbn0SaxM9UbPQ9AAtv3RjSSPQtu9hvNTmJ0iH1y2wfrj2VrmElkJneMFwBcIN90aYX8FeFbzXckhtRQiRgNRjSiui9BG3AhGb+8pjH27xzJeJW/3ITqJ0DNQ8KXHzqDZRnxyu0mhYourw21xivX0PFwf9kdFIBNE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:34:50 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping In-Reply-To: <20070101012538.43226.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_209005_23139668.1167669290277" References: <20070101012538.43226.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8IW3m.A.SdE.sgTmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:34:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_209005_23139668.1167669290277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure what your question is--I used to have one of those, and as I recall the Hold function and the feedback level were independent, like in most rack mount delays. What you can do is set the feedback to maximum and build up a loop, then hit Hold. Whatever's in the loop will stay there. If you want to add something, turn the Hold off, and the loop will continue to decay at whatever level the feedback control is set to while you add more material. You can have the feedback at something low, 25% or so to cause the loop to decay/evolve quickly, or keep it pretty close to the max for the Wall of Sound. Without Hold enabled the loop will eventually fade away since I don't think the feedback could be set to 100%, but you could use an external mixer to manage the actual feedback loop, at the expense of added noise. TravisH On 12/31/06, bill bigrig wrote: > > howdy, > > can someone explain to me this "live looping" thing? > I've been using Ibanez DM-1100s for years by pushing > the "Hold" button and manipulating the speed, > repetition, and mod controls in real time. I don't > know of a way to add things to it once it's "locked". > Is this what you guys are discussing? Is there older > thrifty type harware out there that will allow me to > add sounds as i manipulate the echoes? Am I on the > right track here? thanx > Rig > > _ ------=_Part_209005_23139668.1167669290277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure what your question is--I used to have one of those, and as I recall the Hold function and the feedback level were independent, like in most rack mount delays.  What you can do is set the feedback to maximum and build up a loop, then hit Hold.  Whatever's in the loop will stay there.  If you want to add something, turn the Hold off, and the loop will continue to decay at whatever level the feedback control is set to while you add more material.  You can have the feedback at something low, 25% or so to cause the loop to decay/evolve quickly, or keep it pretty close to the max for the Wall of Sound. 

Without Hold enabled the loop will eventually fade away since I don't think the feedback could be set to 100%, but you could use an external mixer to manage the actual feedback loop, at the expense of added noise.

TravisH

On 12/31/06, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
howdy,

can someone explain to me this "live looping" thing?
I've been using Ibanez DM-1100s for years by pushing
the "Hold" button and manipulating the speed,
repetition, and mod controls in real time. I don't
know of a way to add things to it once it's "locked".
Is this what you guys are discussing? Is there older
thrifty type harware out there that will allow me to
add sounds as i manipulate the echoes? Am I on the
right track here? thanx
Rig

_

------=_Part_209005_23139668.1167669290277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 17:59:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA2D73BEC2; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45994BE7.2010302@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:59:03 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Old Topic with the scientists' unscientific reply - mainly for Per References: <07e601c72d27$b86db340$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Richard Sales wrote: > I do have an unscientific opinion. I do not believe the sound of metal > instruments is because of aging but more because of the type of metal > (brass) that was used and how it was formed. > I think this is an argument, like politics and religion, which one can > not win. Maybe a real scientist can add some scientific data, but I will > still take my old Super 20 or Mark VI over any of the pretty new axes > that are on the market. A real scientist? I've managed to fool NASA into thinking so for quite awhile. :-) When this subject came up a couple weeks ago, I talked to a metallurgist friend about metal aging. He normally works on developing new alloys for jet engine internals. Come to think of it, that's probably pretty relevant, since jet engines and saxophones in operation are both full of hot air and make loud, annoying noises. It's been a long time since I looked at Art Benade's book on musical acoustics, so any real acoustics jocks on the list should feel free to offer corrections or howl in outrage. If memory serves, a textbook wind instrument has infinitely stiff walls, and its sound is determined by its shape, the mouthpiece, the player's oral cavity, the reed, etc. As you move from a textbook idealization to a real-world instrument, the walls are no longer infinitely stiff, and, if they become thin and compliant enough, start to contribute to the sound by selectively damping certain frequencies (the tone holes also provide damping, but that's another issue). So, in principal, the properties of the metal can affect the sound. These properties can change over time, although thermodynamics dictates that the changes usually happen slowly. During instrument construction, metal is typically bent, rolled and generally abused, which work-hardens it, building in internal stresses. The stresses can be annealed out by heat treating, but if that isn't done, stress-relief can still occur slowly over time via the motion of defects called dislocations, resulting in a softer metal. Also, depending on the specific alloy and its heat treatment history, additional phases may slowly precipitate out, forming small islands within the bulk alloy. These islands may coalesce over time, via a process called Ostwald ripening, to form fewer but larger islands. There's also the issue of surface treatment--most instruments are lacquered, but some are plated, and different platings sound different. This suggests that if the surface were to oxidize over time, it might affect the sound as well. I don't know whether this stuff would be enough to cause an audible difference over time; probably somebody at Selmer knows the answer. As a physicist, my understanding of this is pretty superficial, and a real metallurgist could probably offer a better explanation. Having said all this, I haven't noticed changes in the sounds of my seventies-vintage Mk VI soprano or tenor. Or, rather, any changes are likely masked by changes in reeds and mouthpieces, and the fact that aging seems to affect the player much worse than the instruments. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 18:08:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02CA53BEC7; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 18:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:08:06 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Old Topic with the scientists' unscientific reply - mainly for Per Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000501c72dcf$cec2edb0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <45994BE7.2010302@adelphia.net> Thread-Index: AcctzomxzQ3PiH4wRMSPELVUbYiMXQAARV9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: <-VmpcB.A.Z0G.J4UmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 18:08:09 +0000 (UTC) The short answer to the "blowthru instrument material" question I received from the guy behind www.eppelsheim.com: The material is highly relevant for woodwinds, much less (only slightly) for brass instruments. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 19:13:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43C8A3BEC7; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=a/uDxnr9KM3fq9BX6dDhERS3mwGM6GXHA509nZt3WubFfoWDPDu3hqkSfScMKwwPgHmiA1HcgPvl+JDMG6UuHiMsARR9mlKJgr+5YpKrtUDco2kwr+jBKhj/0Buyl0wgeOKACcynZFDGmvhCWP6NmLuD2m4zKxrRlUgtGZ8yE/k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000501c72dcf$cec2edb0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000501c72dcf$cec2edb0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Old Topic with the scientists' unscientific reply - mainly for Per Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 20:12:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:13:00 +0000 (UTC) On 1 jan 2007, at 19.08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > The short answer to the "blowthru instrument material" question I > received > from the guy behind www.eppelsheim.com: > > The material is highly relevant for woodwinds, much less (only > slightly) for > brass instruments. > > Rainer Interesting. Was he really talking about the general body of the instrument? Maybe he meant the specific matter that creates the sound in the first place? Which are the players lips in brass instrument and traditionally a slice of bamboo wood for reed instruments like saxophone. Of course the material of the little vibrating reed is highly relevant. I started using fiber coated bamboo reeds which gives a totally different sound (but that was before I started using an EWI instead of a a sax, reducing the need for reeds to zero). I think plastic saxophones are cool! But I wouldn't want a red one, I'd prefer a dark green, or brown, with big orange dots. I've heard they sound good too! 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Any tips on how to make the repeaters output into 4 seperat output - going onto my motu-then onto the mac ? Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Bruker du Yahoo!? Lei av spam? Yahoo! Mail har den beste spambeskyttelsen http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 21:16:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 671153BECA; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200701012116.l01LGfOF025895@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: live looping Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:16:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20070101012538.43226.qmail@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcctQ8EnrZGbW0beSZeOgJARadlN5QAluHUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Live looping, as I see it, is the use of an audio recording device that allows the player to create repeating musical ideas, i.e. loops, in real time. These devices range from the simple functionality of your DM1100's to sophistication of Loop recorders like the EDP and Looperlative, as well as state of the art software for lap tops. Check the Archives. In addition to what Mark and Per said, I wanted to add another strategy for using your DM1100. You would need a volume pedal, and some kind of splitter box ( a stereo chorus or ABY box would do) to make this work. You run your instrument in to the splitter box, send one output from the splitter to your mixer or monitor source, and the other output to the volume pedal, and then your delay/looper, in your case a DM1100, and finally to your mixer or monitor source. The beauty of this technique is you can leave your feed back at %100, or what ever, and never use the hold, because you can let the volume pedal feed the delay, and add to your loop as you see fit. A cool technique you can use, with this type of routing, is you can strike a chord or note, with the volume pedal in the heal down position, push the volume pedal forward to toe down position,, and get attack-less loops, i.e. ,you have the ability to truncate your instruments attack by manipulating the volume pedal feeding your delay/looper.. I have set up the hold delay algorithm on my Vox Tonelab in this way , assigning an expression pedal to control delay input feed, and the other to control the delay/loop feedback. I don't even use a hold function, as the delay set at %100 is infinite anyway. Instead, I opt to have a tap tempo function, so I can change the delay/loop length at will, and use the algorithm as a more conventional delay as well. As you will find Bill, there are now so many ways to loop, so many devices available, and a wealth of info on this site about it. Good luck. Bill -----Original Message----- From: bill bigrig [mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:26 PM To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: live looping howdy, can someone explain to me this "live looping" thing? I've been using Ibanez DM-1100s for years by pushing the "Hold" button and manipulating the speed, repetition, and mod controls in real time. I don't know of a way to add things to it once it's "locked". Is this what you guys are discussing? Is there older thrifty type harware out there that will allow me to add sounds as i manipulate the echoes? Am I on the right track here? thanx Rig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 21:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A95403BED2; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200701012120.l01LKHVR028465@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: making 4 outputs on the repeater Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:20:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20070101202805.38369.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acct41uKD7r61rL4R6Wmyz7vseGeQwABtKog X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Use the stereo effects outputs (the returns) that will act as tracks 3 and 4, and then for best results hard pan all of your tracks alternating R/l/R/l, for best separation, and don't for get hit the effects loop engage button. , This will however not allow you to use the Repeater's effects loop in a conventional way. Bill -----Original Message----- From: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:28 PM To: repeater-users@yahoogroups.com; loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: making 4 outputs on the repeater Hi ! Any tips on how to make the repeaters output into 4 seperat output - going onto my motu-then onto the mac ? Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Bruker du Yahoo!? Lei av spam? Yahoo! Mail har den beste spambeskyttelsen http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 22:01:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ADD33BED3; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <000501c72dcf$cec2edb0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-403124645 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: AW: Old Topic with the scientists' unscientific reply - mainly for Per Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:01:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <5fZvKC.A.vlE.FTYmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:01:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-403124645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 1-Jan-07, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > I think plastic saxophones are cool! But I wouldn't want a red one, > I'd prefer a dark green, or brown, with big orange dots. I've heard > they sound good too! You know, when Charlie Parker played in Washington DC, I heard he played a plastic sax. Apparently he'd hocked his good one for heroin! I think this is all very fascinating. I think what my friend was saying was that saxes were MADE differently in the old days with lots of hands on working of the horn. So each horn could have a character of its own based on the individual building it which made for inconsistent instruments with some being amazing and some being... arf! So far it's a good new year and I got a wicked new axe for Christmas - a Husqvarna 365 chain saw with a 24" bar. How is this relevant to looping? Well... it IS a LOOP! And it's LOUD! 50+ trees down in my woods from the wind. I'M STILL ON TOPIC... wood... winds... two stroke looper. And, Per, it's from Sweden!!! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > --Apple-Mail-3-403124645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 1-Jan-07, at 11:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: I think plastic saxophones are cool! But I wouldn't want a red one, I'd prefer a dark green, or brown, with big orange dots. I've heard they sound good too! You know, when Charlie Parker played in Washington DC, I heard he played a plastic sax. Apparently he'd hocked his good one for heroin! I think this is all very fascinating. I think what my friend was saying was that saxes were MADE differently in the old days with lots of hands on working of the horn. So each horn could have a character of its own based on the individual building it which made for inconsistent instruments with some being amazing and some being... arf! So far it's a good new year and I got a wicked new axe for Christmas - a Husqvarna 365 chain saw with a 24" bar. How is this relevant to looping? Well... it IS a LOOP! And it's LOUD! 50+ trees down in my woods from the wind. I'M STILL ON TOPIC... wood... winds... two stroke looper. And, Per, it's from Sweden!!! Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-3-403124645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 23:12:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40EA83BECD; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=d/MsYZPjtf3r+eT3uaALQqWQv+BqP7nyPnnix8Mv5zP99EE9fnKPTSNlTkkgnB7tJY7N4dYgDJD0Gy/OMUL7hDBTTx2Sp4HujYr6qTqgjGQtcG5zcNHiajQd0GDeQzJh232FHs0sE6iNMNCzr8lLywEO9K2B+aVM5V0faRpYNik= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000501c72dcf$cec2edb0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <01AAD97F-3C1A-4D14-B212-9D41C1D53F26@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Old Topic with the scientists' unscientific reply - mainly for Per Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:12:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:12:44 +0000 (UTC) On 1 jan 2007, at 23.01, Richard Sales wrote: > So far it's a good new year and I got a wicked new axe for > Christmas - a Husqvarna 365 chain saw with a 24" bar. How is this > relevant to looping? Well... it IS a LOOP! And it's LOUD! 50+ > trees down in my woods from the wind. > > I'M STILL ON TOPIC... wood... winds... two stroke looper. L-O-L!!! > And, Per, it's from Sweden!!! Yep, they manufactured all kinds of quality mechanical devices. I had a moped made by Husqvarna. It nearly killed me, and others. Horrible machine. Looked like a tiny bicycle with an engine bolted to the frame as a bizarre add-on. It was more than twice as fast as the speed allowed by law. Only once did I try out its top speed, with a friend driving a car beside me to shout me the speed measured by his car's meter. I was afraid the moped should break into pieces underneath me when we reached the top speed. As soon as I realized it wouldn't go any faster I slowed down, terribly frightened - but wiser ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 23:28:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC7093BECF; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:28:07 +0100 (MET) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Old Topic with the scientists' unscientific reply - mainly for Per Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c72dfc$82b3f9f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acct2Noun+Fs7DyeRpqCUjBkof5IuwAIz2Tg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Per, you wrote: > Interesting. Was he really talking about the general body of > the instrument? Maybe he meant the specific matter that > creates the sound in the first place? Which are the players > lips in brass instrument and traditionally a slice of bamboo > wood for reed instruments like saxophone. Of course the He was referring to the instrument body's effect on the sound. For some reason which I do not remember completely, the instrument's body has a greater effect on the sound for woodwinds than for brass. But even for woodwinds, the effect of the reed (and to a lesser extent, of the mouthpiece) is greater. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 1 23:47:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26FA73BECA; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 23:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.135] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" Subject: cheap cd publishing no min. 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Processed in 0.135621 secs) Message-ID: <006601c72e09$fd1d55d0$6501a8c0@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:04:43 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 01:04:41 +0000 (UTC) I have used it for several clients projects so far. The best deal going so for. The printing on Disk looks very good. Their online publishing tool is a bit squirelly because you can only visually line up your graphics and there are no templates. I used the Diskmakers templates and had to make some text adjustments to the J-Cards to get everything to look right. but overall, the most bang for your buck if you're looking for shrinkwrapped ready to sell short runs. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: cheap cd publishing no min. > http://kunaki.com/Home.asp?cc=ks > > _________________________________________________________________ > Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered > by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 01:09:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A56C3BED0; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 01:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <880646.48607.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <880646.48607.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:09:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: KP3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 01:09:31 +0000 (UTC) At 10:42 PM -0800 12/30/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >Judging by your description I think Korg did it's >customers a service by creating something that's >different not just a kp2 with some new features. >Perhaps they'll continue to sell both? Yeah, I think of the whole KP series more like complementary units. Unfortunately, our first tendency is to consider every new release as a replacement for all its predecessors. Most new products are for some reason judged as inferior if they don't encapsulate every function of every previous version. Mebbe we've just been spoiled by bloatware, I dunno. I've been thinking more and more about the quantization issue, though, and I think it gets back to Korg hitting a "wall" of sorts. While the KP architecture lends itself very well to continuous theremin-like control, there are some effects that are just about physically impossible to control easily in any sort of musical manner with that as standard. Dividing the pad into discrete steps allows them to incorporate those effects into the KP. The new lighting system allows flexible visual feedback so you know where the steps are. And, as I mentioned before, they didn't quantize everything. Some effects still behave just as they did on the previous two incarnations. > > VST's like NI's FastFX or Bram's (SmartElectronix) >> SupaTrigga. > >I don't know SupaTrigga, but I've lost many a night to >playing with NI's FastFX. NI seems to not really >market it's Electronic Instrument collection, but for >the money they're a really, really interesting set of >effects and instruments. Yeah, I've found FastFX in particular to be a sleeper in that bunch; Cyan too, for that matter. I'd picked up a pirated copy of EI2xt in Bangkok last year, primarily for Metaphysical. It wasn't until I splurged on a legal copy a few weeks ago that I really started playing around with the other ensembles. (Aside: yeah, I'll use pirated warez, but I generally go on to pay for the software I use on a regular basis.) FastFX has proven to be far more useful than I ever thought it would. Unfortunately, NI has now completely discontinued Electronic Instruments 2, and I doubt they'll ever release a Universal Binary for it. As for SupaTrigga, I think you'd really dig that one, based on some of your other comments. Also, while on the Smartelectronix site, check out MDSP's LiveCut, which is similar. Either is like having a realtime version of Stylus' Chaos function. Heckuva lot easier than importing a REX loop into RMX, though. Truthfully, I think I overuse LiveCut even. For example, you can hear an instance on pretty much every instrument I used for my 30-second LD anniversary cut -- noise loop, drums, texture synth, etc... >thanks for the review Mech! No problem, although I hesitate to post a "real" review, simply 'cause I've owned the KP1 for years, but I gave the KP2 a pass. Knowing my luck, I'll start raving about some new feature, only to later realize that it was actually introduced in the KP2. :P Let me know if you have any particular questions though, and thanks for the kudos! --m. -- _______ "The future: everyone is housed, clothed, and fed, because everyone is in jail." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 02:46:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2BB3BECA; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 02:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09ec01c72e18$35074470$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <75a3c13e88150c361762105b21776375@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:46:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C72DDD.8770D6D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 02:46:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C72DDD.8770D6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, shrink = warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for a = short run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs = through another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD. For a thousand = it would have been less than $2.00.=20 I used DiskFactory for my last four CDs and their quality is = outstanding. Going with a similar package, and ordering 100 items, = DiskFactory would cost $2.70 a CD...and that doesn't even include the = UPC code, which I buy from CD Baby. I may go to this new company. Thanks, Samba. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Sales=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. The price isn't so great but no minimum order. That's really amazing! There is some mystery about 'publishing' that I don't understand. Did = you read that part? What does it mean? I guess you'd have to go through = the process to see the deal involved.=20 VERY interesting. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 1-Jan-07, at 3:47 PM, samba - wrote: http://kunaki.com/Home.asp?cc=3Dks _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio = powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=3DT002MSN03A07001 ------=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C72DDD.8770D6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD = for the=20 color printing, shrink warpping, UPC code, etc?  I haven't = seen a=20 price lower than this for a short run outfit.  Even when I did a = large run=20 of 500 glass mastered CDs through another company, the cost was = still $2.40=20 a CD. For a thousand it would have been less than $2.00.
 
I used DiskFactory for my last four CDs = and their=20 quality is outstanding. Going with a similar package, and ordering 100 = items,=20 DiskFactory would cost $2.70 a CD...and that doesn't even include the = UPC code,=20 which I buy from CD Baby.
 
I may go to this new company. Thanks,=20 Samba.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Sales
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 = 5:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: cheap cd = publishing no=20 min.

The price isn't so great but no minimum order. That's = really=20 amazing!

There is some mystery about 'publishing' that I don't=20 understand. Did you read that part? What does it mean? I guess you'd = have to=20 go through the process to see the deal involved.

VERY=20 interesting.

richard = sales
glassWing farm and=20 studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
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------=_NextPart_000_09E9_01C72DDD.8770D6D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 03:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A95CE3BECD; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 03:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-421513202 Message-Id: <7BFB3CF0-2DA2-4745-A5D9-D4B7AE9F36E2@finleysound.com> From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:07:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 32, First 32, in=1, out=0, spam=0 ip=66.248.87.45 X-Originating-IP: 66.248.87.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 03:08:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-421513202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed That does look like a good deal. Have you used them before, Samba? I'm always a little leery of trying an untrusted company. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:47 PM, samba - wrote: > http://kunaki.com/Home.asp?cc=ks > > _________________________________________________________________ > Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio > powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > > --Apple-Mail-1-421513202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 That does look like a good = deal.=A0 Have you used them before, Samba?=A0 I'm always a little=A0leery = of trying an untrusted company.

Matt

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On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:47 PM, samba - wrote:


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= --Apple-Mail-1-421513202-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 06:12:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218CA3BECF; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PFzWek4q5CJ42pklzB5xd1vQk+ReliQom3cyPK7eheKtoKRt0rr8W9qFAzQY1sPoBc3aO8vlwk8CKAsUwncHQ8D6itcU06qULKNxXxas52tBNsVHEiDmC27PLIYjLDFuJOG9yTaqxi0UVYyaPC6Liz1Ff5DKgSeQnco0SV1M7zg=; X-YMail-OSG: VNS5BcAVM1lfndKmS3Y5tvC3cPccx9QRDCSmhVPni3SDvCxPr0RocL1mQSRvWqMkgG2T3T2XJfi.hsvfa3t5BpLRKZh.SIxzC5Ha6Q2P2BPWuYQlK90eVANh0tJN3cx3xpHvh2ppbamYGfQ- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT: converting midi aftertouch to pitchbend (In Live) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c72dfc$82b3f9f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <340563.84545.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Today I was trying to get aftertouch to control the pitchbend of a sitar patch in MOTU's Ethno Instrument and I realize that it only recognizes aftertouch for modulation. Setting it to a really deep yet slow fq kind of gives me what I want, but I'd love to be able to do a reassign in real time. Digital Performer has a MIDI plug in that does it, but Live doesn't seem to. Is there an aftermarket simple vst that can help me? M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 07:28:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6140E3BECD; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.45.95] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <42815E9A-4320-4DAD-A1A9-3AB8FB5F678E@tuninghawaii.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot: old horns metal acoustics Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:28:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 07:28:55.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8DB2520:01C72E3F] Resent-Message-ID: <493qt.A.34E.6mgmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 07:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Following are comments on the discussion of woodwinds changing over time,from my friend Steven Rosenthal,who is an instrument builder/inventor,and piano tuner.He also makes giant musical sculptures,plays insane oboe,and was a member w/ Darell DeVore ,of the original Future Primitive ensemble. "Looks like the familiar tendency to get caught up in minutia and a lack of precise definitions. One being whether "aging" refers to metallurgical flaws (Ostwald ripening), or a global change in the material (Jake Ruby fermentation?). I doubt the composition of the brass is going to change, but if the instrument is not well made the lack of uniformity, in wall stiffness for example, could lead to stability problems. In general errors tend to accumulate in instrument construction and their effects thus become compounded, and interrelated, so it can be hard to diagnose symptoms. All things being equal (make and model), reeds, mouthpieces, the players' disposition, etc. have much larger effects on the characteristics of an instrument. The extreme instruments made by Herr Eppelsheim are bound to be fraught with problems owing to the large amount of of surface area in the low instruments and the super high tolerances required for a piccolo sax. He certainly to want to have as many constants as possible such as uniform materials, even still he must be constantly flirting with the impossible to make good musical instrument. He must be a saint or a lunatic if not both." _________________________________________________________________ Experience the magic of the holidays. Talk to Santa on Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 09:15:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B51E83BEC7; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: sean@seanmormelo.com via t7.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(75.80.45.68):. Processed in 0.085887 secs) Message-ID: <009e01c72e4e$8989ba60$6501a8c0@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <7BFB3CF0-2DA2-4745-A5D9-D4B7AE9F36E2@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:15:24 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01C72E03.192F7A70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:15:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C72E03.192F7A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mathew, I've used them for 3 projects so far...Fast turn around and the = product looks good. If your graphics and layout are good, you'll have a = good looking product. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew F. McCabe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. That does look like a good deal. Have you used them before, Samba? = I'm always a little leery of trying an untrusted company. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:47 PM, samba - wrote: http://kunaki.com/Home.asp?cc=3Dks _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio = powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=3DT002MSN03A07001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Mathew, I've used them for 3 projects = so far...Fast=20 turn around and the product looks good. If your graphics and layout are = good,=20 you'll have a good looking product.
 
Sean Mormelo
www.seanmormelo.com
www.myspace.com/seanmormelo
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Subject: Re: cheap cd = publishing no=20 min.

That does look like a good deal.  Have you used = them=20 before, Samba?  I'm always a little leery of trying an = untrusted=20 company.

Matt

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 15:49:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A634F3BECD; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <0118dbc9b1f769191f55a150a7681f61@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-467216627 From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: kunaki CD publishing Fwd: mac question Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:49:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=4.65.5446:2.3.11,1.2.37,4.0.164 definitions=2007-01-02_06:2006-12-29,2006-12-29,2007-01-02 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0612050001 definitions=main-0701020012 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:49:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-467216627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed response to my question concerning Mac computers: Begin forwarded message: > From: Kunaki - Customer Service > Date: January 2, 2007 4:16:47 AM MST > To: Paul Mimlitsch > Subject: Re: mac question > Reply-To: customerservice@kunaki.com > > Dear Paul, > > You can design your artwork with the Mac. All the dimensions are in > http://Kunaki.com/scripts/help.htm. > > Then, you will have to borrow a PC for a few hours. Download our > software (click > the 'New Customer' tab in http://Kunaki.com) and follow the simple > steps. > > > > On Mon Jan 1 21:26 , Paul Mimlitsch sent: > >> From the frequently asked questions page you write "... you can use >> your favorite Mac or PC software to design disc, case, insert graphic >> files..." . After doing this how is the upload/ submittal process >> handled? Thanks. - Paul >> > > --Apple-Mail-1-467216627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII response to my question concerning Mac computers: Begin forwarded message: 0000,0000,0000From: Kunaki - Customer Service < 0000,0000,0000Date: January 2, 2007 4:16:47 AM MST 0000,0000,0000To: Paul Mimlitsch < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: mac question 0000,0000,0000Reply-To: customerservice@kunaki.com Dear Paul, You can design your artwork with the Mac. All the dimensions are in http://Kunaki.com/scripts/help.htm. Then, you will have to borrow a PC for a few hours. Download our software (click the 'New Customer' tab in http://Kunaki.com) and follow the simple steps. On Mon Jan 1 21:26 , Paul Mimlitsch < sent: From the frequently asked questions page you write "... you can use your favorite Mac or PC software to design disc, case, insert graphic files..." . After doing this how is the upload/ submittal process handled? Thanks. - Paul --Apple-Mail-1-467216627-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 16:31:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1482C3BECF; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tAPicuxU6DibpU7TG91/bIb2httD28pA2OraJGZE/tdyVjxhx9Y/pi3sD7EjqlAUCvay1BqS4KwWWjI1RI2uPiuCR/VDmWyrKSzTAAB5MPrnxZPvK/pJTb5u/DdPpEzMipCjXSrhJ77X6V1WAKw35v/sO4L73xQHC0XRmW8ilnk= ; Message-ID: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: p5s7kPkVM1mrqSB8ytV8fNtRQo5gkv469cT259keNu_KtwG0puD9BbF79O9h9m0sDRsyTYYOUGmdUJ.gSzXaDr60MPx0lKAXzvavx5DQuHDiidcEJ6ZFv6dkZVsDw34PfZEUbhtExgrMt6s- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: margaret noble Subject: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0118dbc9b1f769191f55a150a7681f61@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Hello List, I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to sound as good as if not better then my Presonus pre-amp (which has no tube). Now, i have heard it to be widely accepted that many prefer tubes because they create a warmer sound. So i read a bit to see if i could understand why? I think in my most basic primitive grasp of the concept "tube" that the benefits are due to tube circuitry whereby a small distortion spectrum results which causes added harmonics???????<--am i on track???? But, as read further i learned that the main benefit comes from DH-Set "SE" configurations and that the "PP (push-pull)" configurations do substantially less of this "warming effect"???? so, i am wondering then, do all current technology tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or are there only certain tubes that do this? how would i know technically (besides listening) if i have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs in my manual that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"? I am just trying to decode this mystery so i don't dogmatically accept audio theory without knowing why. Any and all input would be great! THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME! :-) Margaret Noble Audio Artist http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 16:36:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37FC3BED0; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yjwrqSndLzW3mn94k/jTh5H6sDxg1Gu05gX5z36eN8koj2/wfBtlOglpPawP7xzFP54Mbw6C2ZnmE53EdslzYbr57ebb6QH1iJjE7EiEcjJKbfbcReFxETiQXpBPZJE0SCLI++6JJ4HGqSOmSDUPnv4NZ/6mAYWFNwmW2vZWUrI=; X-YMail-OSG: T9Ac2O4VM1mXwyWh7FSb4T7X932Pwuhr8DL23aJu60j0Ag9g30t2h4h0UchJhyH2KfCNKKB7VlI.13kTwzVSEuLIWoXF2U4_AAaH1K_x9kl7OoXxYcrgNJxWXw_7v.tJ7boYHWEFCul3vg-- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) From: SR Millis Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-331562158-1167755778=:23024" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <530253.23024.qm@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:36:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-331562158-1167755778=:23024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Margaret, Where did you get your tube pre-amp? Thanks, Scott margaret noble wrote: Hello List, I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to sound as good as if not better then my Presonus pre-amp (which has no tube). --0-331562158-1167755778=:23024 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, Margaret,
 
Where did you get your tube pre-amp?
 
Thanks,
Scott


margaret noble <margaretnoble2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello List,

I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for
my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to
sound as good as if not better then my Presonus
pre-amp (which has no tube).
--0-331562158-1167755778=:23024-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 16:44:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77E403BEDE; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RRahgM0mWT/tWFTHU0p8uabz7XkVxOMniNn03yYvw+1gQ/1RcqFUq7CcTy6RmBuTvqFJJ2RO1RgkExTCIDTjXqYA0TJpnjEmfliC9nOHuRehivJHjO0u4lffYT0HJIsvjCdMOM4cKTO1RqCDgEylikVjWiE9g6EgfUUazrsMaio=; X-YMail-OSG: tijSXd4VM1mCSLWD4jf_SKW4F_YHcGxF1YiO_ZWL6UXQoX5y3uzeBoYTZWvJBF8gKyzkSc9b1RmAOcWQox1Wrlusp4RhwpVj9YOen76r3AhdBg89.h_xSWiCaOdY8bSOTjYTztorFWhT7Ts- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:44:04 -0800 (PST) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <530253.23024.qm@web50908.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <165242.24715.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:44:05 +0000 (UTC) i got it here: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ART-Tube-MP-Project-Series-Tube-MicrophoneInstrument-Preamp?sku=180643 --- SR Millis wrote: > Hi, Margaret, > > Where did you get your tube pre-amp? > > Thanks, > Scott > > > margaret noble wrote: > Hello List, > > I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for > my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to > sound as good as if not better then my Presonus > pre-amp (which has no tube). > Margaret Noble Audio Artist http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 16:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63FB43BED0; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-471392292 Message-Id: <5eb43a042b522d7981ac2f54d2083762@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:59:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:59:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-471392292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed There's a company called, I THINK, 3D Audio that sells a CD with all of=20= the different pre amps and mics recorded in a pristine environment so=20 you can HEAR the sound of each pre and mic. That way you can listen=20 and make your own discoveries & judgments. I don't think a bad tube=20 mic pre is better than a quality solid state (SS) pre. Millennia makes=20= some very nice no tube pre's. Lots of folks do. And if you have a=20 tube mic many folks say it's best to run it into a SS mic pre. That's=20= what I'm doing right now with my big tube mic and it sounds great. I have a little (relatively cheap - $600 USD) Chameleon mic pre that's=20= modeled after the old Neve and it is amazing. No tube. I have a=20 Summit mic pre with tube that's wonderful too. The Chameleon is more=20 transparent, clear. The Summit is fatter. Also have a Daking 4=20 channel no tube (modeled after the old Trident mic pre's) that's=20 somewhere in between! Just to confuse things... I haven't bought the 3D Audio CD but I've heard it's a mind blower=20 because some of the cheaper mic's and mic pre's sound as good as or=20 better than some of the very expensive ones. Might be worth investing=20= in if you're shopping for stuff. That way you're making a very=20 educated decision based on your ears. There's lots of opinions out=20 there but each is tailored to the individual's needs and tastes... or=20 what they're selling. Ah! Here's the link: http://www.3daudioinc.com/ richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jan-07, at 8:31 AM, margaret noble wrote: > Hello List, > > I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for > my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to > sound as good as if not better then my Presonus > pre-amp (which has no tube). > > Now, i have heard it to be widely accepted that many > prefer tubes because they create a warmer sound. So i > read a bit to see if i could understand why? > > > I think in my most basic primitive grasp of the > concept "tube" that the benefits are due to tube > circuitry whereby a small distortion spectrum results > which causes added harmonics???????<--am i on > track???? > > But, as read further i learned that the main benefit > comes from DH-Set "SE" configurations and that the "PP > (push-pull)" configurations do substantially less of > this "warming effect"???? > > so, i am wondering then, do all current technology > tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or > are there only certain tubes that do this? > > how would i know technically (besides listening) if i > have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs in my manual > that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"? > > I am just trying to decode this mystery so i don't > dogmatically accept audio theory without knowing why. > Any and all input would be great! > > THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME! :-) > > > > Marg=12aret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-2-471392292 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII There's a company called, I THINK, 3D Audio that sells a CD with all of the different pre amps and mics recorded in a pristine environment so you can HEAR the sound of each pre and mic. That way you can listen and make your own discoveries & judgments. I don't think a bad tube mic pre is better than a quality solid state (SS) pre. Millennia makes some very nice no tube pre's. Lots of folks do. And if you have a tube mic many folks say it's best to run it into a SS mic pre.=20 That's what I'm doing right now with my big tube mic and it sounds great.=20 I have a little (relatively cheap - $600 USD) Chameleon mic pre that's modeled after the old Neve and it is amazing. No tube. I have a Summit mic pre with tube that's wonderful too. The Chameleon is more transparent, clear. The Summit is fatter. Also have a Daking 4 channel no tube (modeled after the old Trident mic pre's) that's somewhere in between! Just to confuse things... I haven't bought the 3D Audio CD but I've heard it's a mind blower because some of the cheaper mic's and mic pre's sound as good as or better than some of the very expensive ones. Might be worth investing in if you're shopping for stuff. That way you're making a very educated decision based on your ears. There's lots of opinions out there but each is tailored to the individual's needs and tastes... or what they're selling. Ah! Here's the link: http://www.3daudioinc.com/ Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jan-07, at 8:31 AM, margaret noble wrote: Hello List, I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to sound as good as if not better then my Presonus pre-amp (which has no tube). Now, i have heard it to be widely accepted that many prefer tubes because they create a warmer sound. So i read a bit to see if i could understand why? I think in my most basic primitive grasp of the concept "tube" that the benefits are due to tube circuitry whereby a small distortion spectrum results which causes added harmonics???????<<--am i on track???? But, as read further i learned that the main benefit comes from DH-Set "SE" configurations and that the "PP (push-pull)" configurations do substantially less of this "warming effect"???? so, i am wondering then, do all current technology tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or are there only certain tubes that do this?=20 how would i know technically (besides listening) if i have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs in my manual that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"? I am just trying to decode this mystery so i don't dogmatically accept audio theory without knowing why. Any and all input would be great!=20 THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME! :-) Marg=12aret Noble Audio Artist=20 http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 = --Apple-Mail-2-471392292-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 17:02:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74AB73BEDE; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 468725963 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:02:55 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8D2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. thread-index: Accuj9kGPlyXleF4RkysEBHaQ67Mng== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 17:02:56.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9212EA0:01C72E8F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:02:59 +0000 (UTC) I'm so tired of seeing this "warmer" expression trotted out lazily every = time someone is trying to market something with a bottle in it.=20 what exactly is it supposed to mean? is it to do with noise-floor, = frequency response, distortion, what? those of us that have had the lids off some of this kit will know that, = traditionally anyway, the glass gets warmer than it's silicon = equivalent. but that is irrelevant to the end-user. I've seen quite a few examples of equipment fitted with an = ecc83/12AU7/whatever, where the heater wasn't glowing bright enough for = the box's designers & so they fitted a yellow/orange LED underneath it = to fake the glow. a lot of these modern valve devices run with very low HT, either for = regulatory reasons (e.g. the EH stompboxes) or because the makers just = couldn't be bothered with the nuisance of having to generate 400V DC = accurately & reliably. sure, the valves last longer, but they are = working so far down their conductance curve that they're not doing any = real work (& so the output needs buffering/boosting with a 5532 or the = like) & of course, they're operating miles away from the only musically = useful part of their character..... which is- here's the only major sonic difference that matters in 99% of normal = everyday contexts: if, & only if, it's driven into non-linearity (& by this time we're in = fuzz-box territory, not super-clean mic pre-amplifier), the valve/tube = tends to produce slightly more by way of even harmonic distortion, while = the silicon or germanium tends to produce odd-order harmonic distortion. I say again, these are distortion products, & are not supposed to be = there anyway. some feel that the even harmonics are more musically useful; this = certainly seems to be the case in the context of (typically overdriven) = instrument amplification. there are other (sometimes very involved) arguments for & against the = continued use of thermionic valves in "high-end" audio equipment- mic = pres, compressors & the like. class-A operation is slightly more stable, = perhaps. phase distortion....... well. all I can suggest is that a blind listening test be performed before the = emperor leaves the tailor's shop. I play my bass through an orange OR120 because I like the way it sounds = when I turn it up loud. but I record it straight into a korg digital = multitrack with an sm57. your mileage, as always, will vary.=20 oh- & an all-tube circuit is more likely to carry on working when = exposed to a massive electromagnetic pulse, such as caused by a nuclear = explosion. this may or may not be a selling point. :-) duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 18:18:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD393BECF; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKYwmkXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACOCQEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20070102175332.01a45f90@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:18:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. In-Reply-To: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <0118dbc9b1f769191f55a150a7681f61@mac.com> <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-F4120F Resent-Message-ID: <1Oq3m.A.TkG.LIqmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:18:51 +0000 (UTC) >But, as read further i learned that the main benefit >comes from DH-Set "SE" configurations and that the "PP >(push-pull)" configurations do substantially less of >this "warming effect"???? > >so, i am wondering then, do all current technology >tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or >are there only certain tubes that do this? > >how would i know technically (besides listening) if i >have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs in my manual >that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"? here's the techno babble:- SE= single ended PP= push pull Those are 2 different configurations for valve power amps. It's not a matter of tube type, but how they are connected. The PP configuration is only used for driving loud speakers. For pre-amping you'll be using a simple circuit which would (I guess) correspond to SE, tho' I don't know if the term is actually used for non-power amp applications. 12AX7A is a very common general purpose valve, used in cheap gear and very expensive gear. Probably your cheap pre-amp has a chip to do the actual "pre-amp" part of the process, then passes the signal through the valve to colour the sound. ( and this is an often used method, even for high end audio gear) Sometimes in this sort of gear, the valve is run at low voltage, which some claim doesn't give the same "valvey" sound, and this is likely to be the case if you don't see the valve actually glowing. (clever Behringer use LEDS to simulate the glow ) So:- Best way to tell is to do what you already did...just listen :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 18:25:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A776A3BEE0; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SYSD8zsieTsJR2fP3we+4o6rKXUPyVLrSQcY8KndjqkS2dVm2Koee7kiYjjgVijTFoA1HfhEeJ8cPgVKUTJy6ebjGawCAkKxAJ0LnGJDXh/YCRVG5BPUdSE09qBVacATfOdTeafDZlrCMZ5/t931Uchg52LyKeLQVZy7ZAFdfbA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5eb43a042b522d7981ac2f54d2083762@glasswing.com> References: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5eb43a042b522d7981ac2f54d2083762@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2817B681-BF98-453F-A10A-0FA10350E0D4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:25:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:25:47 +0000 (UTC) On 2-Jan-07, at 8:31 AM, margaret noble wrote: > Hello List, > > I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for > my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to > sound as good as if not better then my Presonus > pre-amp (which has no tube). > Now, i have heard it to be widely accepted that many > prefer tubes because they create a warmer sound. So i > read a bit to see if i could understand why? The Presonus is very good. I bought one many years ago, based on =20 recommendations from colleges and reviews. I still don't feel any =20 need to get something more modern, tubes or not. The Presonus sounds =20 so good in pair with my AKG C 414 B-TL2 (the only better set-up I've =20 tried was two borrowed Neuman U-69). I've used the Presonus at live =20 concerts as well, playing sax close mic through it. Speaking about recording I have ran into two particular situations =20 where a pre amp, as the Presonus, does not give me the best result. =20 The first is when sampling analog synthesizers (to build sample =20 instrument packages for sampler playback), where I found out that you =20= achieve a more true sound by plugging the analog synth output =20 directly into the recorder (computer audio interface). The other =20 situation is when recording electric guitar for the purpose of sound =20 design libraries that will ship to computer aided producers. These =20 people tend to use software (Guitar Amp Pro, NI's Guitar Rack etc =20 etc) to emulate amp and speaker cabinet, usually a real loudspeaker's =20= sonic character caught as impulse response and applied to the sound I =20= deliver. What I do then is to use a 50w tube amp top, Sovtek mig-60 =20 (12AX7A tubes, similar in sound the Marshall Plexi) but recording =20 directly from the line output instead of sticking a mic to the cab. =20 By this method I get the harmonic overtone distortion added by the =20 preamp tubes (making even clean sound more "musical") so the user of =20 the sample library can run this recording through the power amp and =20 speaker cabinet impulse response software of his own choice. This =20 little 12AX roundtrip does a lot to the sound. > how would i know technically (besides listening) if i > have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs in my manual > that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"? I don't dare even trying to answer that. I always listen and fell =20 fully confident with making my decision based on how different gear =20 sounds. But there are also other aspects on gear, besides how it =20 sounds. Even though I love the tube sound of my Sovtek I prefer to =20 use a little solid state combo, Gallien-Kr=FCger with two 10" speakers, =20= when I play electric guitar live, simply because its faster response =20 time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 18:56:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DCE23BEDF; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fSYwaZJGAnAv4tlnaPyNjY9fyybqdIK1sQlnOB45gyZgr8YQlaC7yXTh/fdBVx5n3Jz39cDn0XnHCmCsCx+g41RjYfSPCJpQ+GEgurTdGRKF88qJkR3Yq7WwyQQDYK79TF3TI1FWJk9lfp/3T5XZs5Kz35JzH5NadZLgVC9cM5k=; X-YMail-OSG: iE5lAl0VM1kkQeF8dKQhrNkY3j3Bbn9T55pObdcEH2j.E60a.jtSayA66PQUZl01l0RhIUO0HmD4edU5g87Thhgi5P5aZRRJge5feIbZJ7qBYw5d6iz9FkhhiXh7pdmYmu3v2SUf7HfV468- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:56:37 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8D2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <873528.26810.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC) --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > I'm so tired of seeing this "warmer" expression > trotted out lazily every time someone is trying to > market something with a bottle in it. > what exactly is it supposed to mean? is it to do > with noise-floor, frequency response, distortion, > what? One part of it has to do with the way tubes respond to a load as opposed to the way a transistor does. (or doesn't I should say) A tube/load circuit creates a kind of filter. That warmth people often speak of is just high frequency attenuation. This is all grossly simplified, but that's the main deal. I do know that for some reason the tube stage in my Tonelab makes my guitar sound damn good. It's not in the preamp stage though, it's before a virtual load to mimic the above phenomena. Does it really help? I don't know but I like it more than the Line6 stuff. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 19:29:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CCB33BED8; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006601c72ea4$5de76af0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <873528.26810.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:29:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <7-NhLC.A.uGB.tKrmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:29:50 +0000 (UTC) I love this topic. It is interesting how lack of clarity in semantics can confuse the actual factors at stake (not pointing fingers by any means, as this is very common). For example, remember when some of us a while back were discussing the alleged fullness of Reaktor patches vs. MAX/MSP patches? I believe the final word was that you get what you program in MAX/MSP. If you want full...you program that with various objects (EQ, etc). In the case of the tube vs. S.S. debate, I find, again, that semantics gets in the way and obfuscates the issue and allows folks to argue about apples and oranges, because often times the terminology we use does not reflect the complexities and nuances of the "empirical perceptions" of amplifier output vs. SS output. What I mean is that terms like warm, harsh, etc...are technically inadequate to make comparisons. For example, when comparing an old vintage Fender tube amp and a solid state Roland JC-120, some might suggest that the tube amp is "warmer" than the Roland, or that the Roland has a harsh tone compared to the Fender (and I personally attach no value to these terms, suggesting that "warmer" is neither good nor bad, but different). But is this really the right way to frame the comparison? What do we mean by "warm"? If we are talking about audible difference in frequencies, notching of undesirable frequencies, boosting sweet spots, etc, then surely either amp can achieve this by tweaking EQ, whether graphic, parametric, etc. Some folks say solid state amps are harsh, perhaps meaning that there are some offensive mid and high frequencies. I haven't found a SS amp yet, that I couldn't make "not harsh" by turning the treble or presence down to 1 or 2...IF what we meann by harsh is analyzable down into sense data of frequencies. In reality, there are probably many, many "sense-data" terms that we should use to compare tones of amps, tubes, vs. ss, etc. I won't pretend to know what they all are, but it would be an interesting categorization project for someone. For instance, my personal experience with tube amps vs. SS is that neither is inherently warmer or brighter than the other, but that there are some factors that I can't describe with a simple frequency notch or boost. What are they? I'm not certain. There is this "sponginess" that I feel in a tube amp....that's not a technical term, I know, but it has to do with playing a note, and the tone of the output changing, nano-second by nano-second from the instant I pluck the string to when the tone ends. It's like the attack is different, and the tone and timbres change dynamically...like a sponge, when you squeeze it...you do not compress it instantly with one squeeze, rather it compresses slowly. Whereas with my solid state amps, the tonal output is much more consistent and uniform, and some folks might call this "sterile", though that seems a bit evaluative. The attack is quick and the tone does not evolve as much, nano-second after nano-second, or ms. I think I'm getting more descriptive here than just saying that the tube amp is "warmer". This is just an experiment of thought. I invite others to help develop a more granular semantics to compare tube and SS. It think it is fascinating. I'm guessing some engineers have done extensive spectral and frequency analyses of tube amps vs. ss amps? I assume that when engineers developed DSP technology, they did some analyses like this and tried to simulate the evolving and dynamic tone of a tube amp. Now, having played many tube amps in my past, these new DSP SS amps, like the Fender FM65 I just bought, have an uncanny ability to simulate the feel I mentioned above. It's not exact, but very close. It's so close that I have had guitarists come up to me and complicate my tone, thinking it was tube....because they heard that subtle change in tone, when I picked harder, or when let notes extend...they heard that subtle and dynamic evolution of the tone. It wasn't EQ they were noticing but something much more complex. Heck, I can take any tube amp, turn the low end to 0, and the MID and High to 10, and make it sound horrendous. It's not about the EQ, but the subtle and dynamic evolution of tone in very short periods of time. Afterall, we are not talking about flaky metaphysics here...whatever it is that one person thinks sounds better in a tube amp than a SS amp, MUST (in my opinion) be expressible in empirical language. I don't personally believe there is anything else at stake, but empirical data that we can percieve or measure in the output of an amp. Then the mysterious are resolved, and we can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS amp that will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. > --- "Goddard, Duncan" > wrote: > >> I'm so tired of seeing this "warmer" expression >> trotted out lazily every time someone is trying to >> market something with a bottle in it. >> what exactly is it supposed to mean? is it to do >> with noise-floor, frequency response, distortion, >> what? > > One part of it has to do with the way tubes respond to > a load as opposed to the way a transistor does. (or > doesn't I should say) A tube/load circuit creates a > kind of filter. That warmth people often speak of is > just high frequency attenuation. This is all grossly > simplified, but that's the main deal. I do know that > for some reason the tube stage in my Tonelab makes my > guitar sound damn good. It's not in the preamp stage > though, it's before a virtual load to mimic the above > phenomena. Does it really help? I don't know but I > like it more than the Line6 stuff. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 19:37:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F0B93BEDE; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=S5dP/tcppCPA00wwEdf02lYMkl9VKb/0+L9LJbnfNM91E6/gYY6kH8J0HhqDNjQT; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27787804.1167766654887.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e8b29b9ad2abf3e4f402879cecb40bd50b517a980debcd8296ace1652233b9a42c53bafa0c3e33ca350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS amp that >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 19:40:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC2E33BEE4; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: mmccabe@finleysound.com via o13.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.05307 secs) Message-ID: <1927.134.186.144.178.1167766830.squirrel@www.finleysound.com> In-Reply-To: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:40:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. From: mmccabe@finleysound.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:40:28 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, January 2, 2007 8:31 am, margaret noble wrote: > Now, i have heard it to be widely accepted that many > prefer tubes because they create a warmer sound. So i > read a bit to see if i could understand why? Margaret, A lot of the "warmth" people associate with gear, vintage in particular, is actually due to the transformers used in the designs. > I think in my most basic primitive grasp of the > concept "tube" that the benefits are due to tube > circuitry whereby a small distortion spectrum results > which causes added harmonics???????<--am i on > track???? > so, i am wondering then, do all current technology > tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or > are there only certain tubes that do this? No, not necessarily. A lot of the "classic" vintage gear that people associate with being "warm" is solid state. It's always best to use your ears and disregard the marketing hype. I've tried my share of guitar signal processors that were touted as being "warm" because they had a tube in the preamp section. Compared to a real tube preamp, they all sounded extremely thin and, dare I say, brittle! Matt --- King Never www.kingnever.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 19:43:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96BA23BEE7; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3788914.1167767003364.JavaMail.root@web15> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:43:23 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Line 6 Amps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Since a lot of the pre-amp thread was about digital vs tube amps, what are folks opinions of Line 6 amp products? I was toying with picking up a Spider III 2x10 amp due to an issue that caused me to lose my Fender Cyber Twin amp (and lack of cash). Are these amps reasoble amps for home recording use? -- Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 19:44:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDEE73BED0; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <014301c72ea6$6e665ec0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <75a3c13e88150c361762105b21776375@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:44:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0140_01C72EAE.CFF18E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:44:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01C72EAE.CFF18E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This looks VERY interesting... I have boxes and boxes of unsold CD's = (CR-R's actually) sue to minimum order problems... dont need big = quantities!!! Boo Hoo!!!! However, anyone know of comparable place WITHOUT cover printing (still = want CD print) cos I have a FREE contact for cover printing and I dont = like Jewel boxes... My next CD cover is to be a super duper foldout bit = of crazieness, ala old Hawkwind albums ha ha ha!! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Sales=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:13 AM Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. The price isn't so great but no minimum order. That's really amazing! There is some mystery about 'publishing' that I don't understand. Did = you read that part? What does it mean? I guess you'd have to go through = the process to see the deal involved.=20 VERY interesting. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 1-Jan-07, at 3:47 PM, samba - wrote: http://kunaki.com/Home.asp?cc=3Dks _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio = powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=3DT002MSN03A07001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5540 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01C72EAE.CFF18E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This looks VERY interesting... I have = boxes and=20 boxes of unsold CD's (CR-R's actually) sue to minimum order problems... = dont=20 need big quantities!!! Boo Hoo!!!!
However, anyone know of comparable = place WITHOUT=20 cover printing (still want CD print) cos I have a FREE contact for cover = printing and I dont like Jewel boxes... My next CD cover is to be a = super duper=20 foldout bit of crazieness, ala old Hawkwind albums ha ha=20 ha!!

mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com
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The price isn't so great but no minimum order. That's = really=20 amazing!

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VERY=20 interesting.

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------=_NextPart_000_0140_01C72EAE.CFF18E50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:01:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A163BEE1; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MAOSm/vzoTHC+5mqUuotoWcSX77zDziGDBw7HE13FyKjl7jVycMV8Jpt11RVyuolFf/pvtPggZazNxKCGK2GrrWovy/aYHVDcCkXTy4gUNV650Xd4emEvaCue6ompS07euKfzJaDkQPR3XKbZmKVvNl/rhQY2zLckq/tIbzyHy8= Message-ID: <26ba8d120701021201p60c2ddf7s28e56e181ad8d921@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:01:53 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. In-Reply-To: <014301c72ea6$6e665ec0$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <75a3c13e88150c361762105b21776375@glasswing.com> <014301c72ea6$6e665ec0$5a01a8c0@mark> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9fb760dc6f77b758 Resent-Message-ID: <4UfIH.A.rtC.zormFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:01:55 +0000 (UTC) On 1/2/07, markfrancombe.com wrote: > > > This looks VERY interesting... I have boxes and boxes of unsold CD's (CR-R's > actually) sue to minimum order problems... dont need big quantities!!! Boo > Hoo!!!! > However, anyone know of comparable place WITHOUT cover printing (still want > CD print) cos I have a FREE contact for cover printing and I dont like Jewel > boxes... I'd love the same thing as I hate jewel boxes myself. I'm thinking of getting one of these: http://www.tapeandmedia.com/detail.asp?product_id=BVO63101&source=Froogle&REFERER=Froogle I anticipate the price coming down a bit as the unit is quite new and the price difference between that item and their next in line is quite small. However, the price is a little steep -- I'd need to make sure that I got at least 1000 discs out of it and I don't really have that much volume. > My next CD cover is to be a super duper foldout bit of crazieness, > ala old Hawkwind albums ha ha ha!! I'd buy that! I remember I went to see Hawkwind many years ago at the late lamented Wetlands in New York and a young African-American kid had brought with in (in a protective cover of course) an original copy of Space Ritual - that album had been floating around in my youth and I hadn't realized how much it meant to people! > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Sales > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:13 AM > Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. > > The price isn't so great but no minimum order. That's really amazing! > > There is some mystery about 'publishing' that I don't understand. Did you > read that part? What does it mean? I guess you'd have to go through the > process to see the deal involved. > > VERY interesting. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 1-Jan-07, at 3:47 PM, samba - wrote: > > > http://kunaki.com/Home.asp?cc=ks > > _________________________________________________________________ > Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered > by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 > > > ________________________________ > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 5540 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:13:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2EE13BEE7; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 393961399 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:13:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8D3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. thread-index: AccuqmtkNZesklLLQ0uE+bEhW9OtrA== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 20:13:08.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B9D7DF0:01C72EAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:13:10 +0000 (UTC) >>A tube/load circuit creates a kind of filter. That warmth people = often speak of is just high frequency attenuation.<< agreed, but only if the designer has intended this effect..... which is = probably where the market-speak "warmth" really comes from- a slightly = wooly sounding top-end, especially when compared with a modern = recording.=20 but I have a couple of valve tape-decks that meet or exceed the = frequency response of their nearest "solid-state" peers. see, for the last twenty-odd years, producers & engineers have been = putting more & more top-end onto recordings, safe in the knowledge that = it will actually reach the ears of the end-user via digital media. this = sort of delivery couldn't be guaranteed with analogue tape or vinyl. (& = before all the howls of protest start, I said it couldn't be guaranteed, = not that it was impossible! I have witnessed the work of studer & = shibata.) so we've all got used to much higher energy levels in that part of the = spectrum. now the marketing guys have created an artificial association between = the use of vacuum tubes & some mythical era in which there was a bit = less top-end listener-fatigue, & songwriting was generally of a higher = quality, life was simpler, gas was cheaper, tv shows were better, beer = didn't have chemicals in it...... warm =3D good, cold =3D bad. (beer excepted) analogue =3D warm. digital =3D cold. & so ironically we have arrived at a situation where on the one hand we = complain that 44.1kHz is nowhere near fast enough of a sampling rate to = preserve all the detail of real-life sounds, while on the other we're = using valve circuits that have been deliberately badly designed so as to = soften the transients & high-frequencies we were so anxious to save. so if you want your songs to last forever, like one presumes = lennon/mccartney or brian wilson's will do, you have to use OLD = EQUIPMENT. or at least, equipment made the old way, with glass in it. = this is why we had to endure "the white stripes", this kind of = marketing.... 2nd hand cred.... & you can buy a plug-in to simulate tape-saturation! what's that all = about? no! buy a real revox! I'm ranting, aren't I? :-) ok.=20 back to the science.=20 running a valve at a low voltage won't make it glow less; the glow comes = from the heater & the cathode, to a lesser degree.=20 running a valve at a very high voltage will occasionally produce an = additional blue glow, especially if the cathode's almost stripped. the = LED installed by EH, behringer & korg (amongst others) is there because = the real glow wasn't bright enough to satisfy their designers, probably = because modern tubes have a little more suspension material in them, & = it hides the "interesting" bits. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:29:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF1CA3BEF7; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.244] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070102163621.8C2C43BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: kunaki Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:29:15 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 20:29:16.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC60B4E0:01C72EAC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:29:18 +0000 (UTC) I haven't used them,but am encouraged to read other's good reports. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:31:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29D043BEFB; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007701c72eac$f2572b00$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <27787804.1167766654887.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:31:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, ain't that the truth! The suggestive powers of the brain are amazing...miraculously new empirical properties pop out of nowhere when you bring in moods, preconceptions, etc. I love the human brain. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. > Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... > >> Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >>can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS amp >>that >>will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:32:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC523BEFE; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008201c72ead$256c6870$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3788914.1167767003364.JavaMail.root@web15> Subject: Re: Line 6 Amps Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:32:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:32:40 +0000 (UTC) What style? I'd consider the Fender FM65 DSP and Roland Cube 60 first. The Spider seemed to have more features appealing to hard rockers. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: OT: Line 6 Amps > Since a lot of the pre-amp thread was about digital vs tube amps, what are > folks opinions of Line 6 amp products? I was toying with picking up a > Spider III 2x10 amp due to an issue that caused me to lose my Fender Cyber > Twin amp (and lack of cash). Are these amps reasoble amps for home > recording use? > > -- > Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:43:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3FE3BEEC; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=DhphpveDgXln4u7Pu17okUh0yOX7QAanuk08WQKJDhSee2yV492FpocigFpB58qS; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <13451170.1167770636379.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:43:56 -0500 (EST) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e8b29b9ad2abf3e4f402879cecb40bd50b517a980debcd822274a579ecfdcbf71914e170b4ae2a25350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Key point below. >now the marketing guys have created ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 20:53:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D8403BEF6; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: <004401c72eb0$101127b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C72EB8.71D58FB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Accurv+zKJka1CnfTOqG0HcnS5pDVAAAOPgA In-Reply-To: <09ec01c72e18$35074470$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:53:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C72EB8.71D58FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, shrink warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for a short run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs through another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C72EB8.71D58FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> The price looks good to me. $1.60 = a CD for=20 the color printing, shrink warpping, UPC code, etc?  I haven't = seen a=20 price lower than this for a short run outfit.  Even when I did a = large run=20 of 500 glass mastered CDs through another company, the cost was = still $2.40=20 a CD 
 
 
I doubt that they really do CDs - I=20 think what they're doing is CDRs.
 
 
-Michael 
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C72EB8.71D58FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 21:06:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 632BB3BEF9; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.244] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070102194452.3A5FE3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tubes,sound perception etc. Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:06:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 21:06:23.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBB21A40:01C72EB1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:06:25 +0000 (UTC) What I hear in tubes I don't describe as warmth ,but color,the way overtones bloom and decay has a response curve that has more vivid color,and the nuances of the way they shift are pleasing.Contrast is a very strong elemnt in perception as well so the context in which a sound is heard makes a big difference.Natural skin hand drums are rich in tonal timbre-more,ie complex overtones ,compared with more modern industrially produced trap drums,with more uniform response.The latter I hear as having a more discrete envelope which can be easier to seat in a mix. I have a classic mesa boogie,early 70s mkII b+,and a polytone which is ss,and sounds very sweet and warm. I prefer clean tones,and this boogie is known for it's clean channel. Interestingly enough.At volumes way beyond where I want to play ,whe the tubes are really glowing it gets that singing saggy sustain,but I never play that loud.I've got an amp with distortion tones like rockers pay big bucks for that's a plastic chinese made toy a v-tech groovy tunes model 9612 from the thrift store,1.99( I beat Rick to this one) it's 4x6x.2.5 and it wails. Here's an interesting bit on how the brain responds to music.This guy was abigtime music producer that got a phd in psychoacoustics from stanford. _________________________________________________________________ Experience the magic of the holidays. Talk to Santa on Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 21:09:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57BE03BEDC; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b001c72eb2$555d1b10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004401c72eb0$101127b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:09:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C72E77.A88D31C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:09:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C72E77.A88D31C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's the case for DiskFaktory as well. That's part of the reason why = the price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm finished with glass = mastered CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered (I = obtained no benefit from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet = who can't play my CD-Rs, and they look no different than the glass = mastered (silver bottomed, etc).=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, = shrink warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this = for a short run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass = mastered CDs through another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD=20 I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C72E77.A88D31C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's the case for DiskFaktory as = well. That's=20 part of the reason why the price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm = finished=20 with glass mastered CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered = (I=20 obtained no benefit from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet = who can't=20 play my CD-Rs, and they look no different than the glass mastered = (silver=20 bottomed, etc).
 
Kris
 
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> The price looks good to me. = $1.60 a CD=20 for the color printing, shrink warpping, UPC code, etc?  I = haven't=20 seen a price lower than this for a short run outfit.  Even when I = did a=20 large run of 500 glass mastered CDs through another company, the = cost was=20 still $2.40 a CD 
 
 
I doubt that they really do CDs - I=20 think what they're doing is CDRs.
 
 
-Michael 
------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01C72E77.A88D31C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 21:36:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11CA3BEF5; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:36:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Nandor Subject: Re: Free Stuff leading to Hell? (was: OT: Audio Quality (Was advice needed) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:36:40 +0000 (UTC) At 19:20 +0100 2006.12.28, Per Boysen wrote: >I'm a big fan of the Creative Commons movement and I'm seriously >looking into giving away an entire album, newly recorded, at http:// >www.jamendo.com or some related player. I like the CC movement, but not the CC license itself, too much. For my own stuff anyway. Basically, I give away all my music for free, and at some point I may put out a CD with some benefits over the free stuff (probably better mixes, for example, and of course, higher quality renderings than 160 kbps MP3), and hope some people choose to buy it. If not, that's fine too, since this isn't how I make my money: I just want to get my music out there one way or another, and these days, even free music is hard to get heard, even if it's pretty good. Obviously, some people disagree, at least for their own music. That's fine by me. I can't remember the last time I "pirated" music: if I listen to it and it is not freely given to me, I buy it. But for my own music, the free route works fine. If I relied on this to eat, I'd probably think differently. A quick note about DRM: I think it fails because it restricts the user of the music too much. When I buy music, I want to use it as the law entails me to, and DRM restricts me far more than the law does (for example, I just bought, for my wife, an old Roger Whittaker Christmas album on iTunes Music Store, and she cannot listen to it on the bedroom squeezebox music player, as I can listen to all my MP3 and non-DRM AAC files, because the slimserver software can't read the DRM files). On a somewhat related off-topic note -- and no, this is not a thinly disguised plug for you to download my music! -- some of you may be interested in my own web site, for the technical/aesthetic aspects. I basically wrote an iTunes clone in JavaScript/CSS/HTML, complete with dynamically updating playlists, playing songs inline (with the help of the del.icio.us Flash-based MP3 player), and so on. http://pudge.net/tunes/ This web-based music player I wrote is not a software package you can download and install (though maybe someday it will be), but you can download the HTML and JS and CSS and image files and use them (unlike my songs, all the code I write *is* "open source" and available for anyone to use for any purpose). All you really need to do is take the JavaScript file and fill in the top data structures with your own song data. And now back slightly on-topic: I finally got to play with my first looper, the BOSS RC-2, last week. Still playing with it, but so far it's just been a great tool to practice, experiment, and write with. Merry Christmas, -- Chris Nandor tunes@pudge.net http://pudge.net/tunes/ Slashdot pudge@slashdot.org http://slashdot.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 22:31:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D525E3BECC; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010901c72ebd$b55658a0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <06e101c72cfa$7e3cabe0$51b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #10 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:31:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0106_01C72E83.08770600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:31:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C72E83.08770600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, Below are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html=20 I just finished mastering the remaining Y2K6 files, and will be sending = them to their owners for review today. So, this week should wrap up this = mammoth Y2K6 recording project.....finally!!!! Wheewwww! =20 Bob Amstadt Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/5nmgmrb6l9.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/ncyroeyfrt.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/0dtcomnr34.mp3 =20 Chris Cohn Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/0jvxl03qd5.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/z2d8u5ij64.mp3 Darin Schaffer Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/0mz626zj7f.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/38ghfoi02f.mp3 Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C72E83.08770600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,

Below are the = newest=20 additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com= /mp3.html=20
 
I just finished mastering the remaining = Y2K6 files,=20 and will be sending them to their owners for review today. So, this week = should=20 wrap up this mammoth Y2K6 recording project.....finally!!!! = Wheewwww! =20
 
Bob = Amstadt
Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/5nmgmrb6l9.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/ncyroeyfrt.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/0dtcomnr34.mp3
 
Chris = Cohn
Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/0jvxl03qd5.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/z2d8u5ij64.mp3
 
Darin = Schaffer
Part I - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/0mz626zj7f.mp3
Part II - http://www.box.n= et/public/static/38ghfoi02f.mp3
 
Kris


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info@kri= spenhartung.com=20 / 1.208.724.5603
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------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C72E83.08770600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 23:45:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17F4E3BED8; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200701022345.l02Nj867034220@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:45:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AccumnjOoU2qyQdhTm+B4QjBPdWdUQAKo7Yg In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20070102175332.01a45f90@tiscali.co.uk> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <2r1FuC.A.blD.J6umFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Andy wrote; "Sometimes in this sort of gear, the valve is run at low voltage, which some claim doesn't give the same "valvey" sound, and this is likely to be the case if you don't see the valve actually glowing. (clever Behringer use LEDS to simulate the glow )" I'm one of those "some"... One of the reasons I like the sound and feel of my Duncan twin tube preamp is the fact that they opted to use a pair of subminiature tubes (smaller than 12ax7's) running at high voltage. I've owned tube overdrives before, chandler tube drivers and the like, but this thing is so much more dynamic to the touch and rich in overtones than the type of low voltage output design Andy is referring to. On the other hand, I've also had good luck with my Art pre-amp. I have an old two channel 2 space rack mount model and I suspect its running at low voltage. I have never changed the tubes in 10 years and that's a good indicator. But any decent preamp to me is a good thing to throw in front of a DAW if for no other reason than to give a bit of compression and softening to the signal, and a bit more sonic complexity before it gets 10101010101010101'd :>) Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. >But, as read further i learned that the main benefit >comes from DH-Set "SE" configurations and that the "PP >(push-pull)" configurations do substantially less of >this "warming effect"???? > >so, i am wondering then, do all current technology >tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or >are there only certain tubes that do this? > >how would i know technically (besides listening) if i >have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs in my manual >that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"? here's the techno babble:- SE= single ended PP= push pull Those are 2 different configurations for valve power amps. It's not a matter of tube type, but how they are connected. The PP configuration is only used for driving loud speakers. For pre-amping you'll be using a simple circuit which would (I guess) correspond to SE, tho' I don't know if the term is actually used for non-power amp applications. 12AX7A is a very common general purpose valve, used in cheap gear and very expensive gear. Probably your cheap pre-amp has a chip to do the actual "pre-amp" part of the process, then passes the signal through the valve to colour the sound. ( and this is an often used method, even for high end audio gear) Sometimes in this sort of gear, the valve is run at low voltage, which some claim doesn't give the same "valvey" sound, and this is likely to be the case if you don't see the valve actually glowing. (clever Behringer use LEDS to simulate the glow ) So:- Best way to tell is to do what you already did...just listen :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 23:49:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5043BEDB; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070102234903.57719.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rqbdp1+9aSSYJYbaZDB/ROxp8GxwsicxPoTr5CCheVNkHCBEjzxhHoaPR0PVJ8dqc/hoyT374kX/LAhm2mKVUm+RmpnHSNHiqvVKVdUjr3yWQO+dgHgn1CAYuf43zR4nzYeYyUOtpJuIg3hPjxjqB3JVkXqXyEuU5iW7L3bWhj0=; X-YMail-OSG: htbOgbMVM1nRIuaSMFHr.nypYRSbZDYAD1fLvqcVOkU.1qfLwP2yePFc39tZ5fgiNxmDQuIIcKc2Hyd9.lEUqXEWiRoVhPV0c.Ng3Wn7KQKh75SFLYovTEtA4bR2FfBbyTO26mZtkfIXRw-- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:49:03 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: tubes To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, i have for years plugged straight into the board. Good clean sound. sometimes a tube screamer and other stomp boxes. then I built a paia stack-in-a-box. Nuff said. I use it LOTS, when i want power chord stuff. It has served me VERY well. Rig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 2 23:59:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9A833BEE7; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.244] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070102223116.31DF83BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: music of the hemispheres Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:59:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 23:59:57.0063 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AC35970:01C72ECA] Resent-Message-ID: <4P6D-.A.yHE._HvmFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Somehow the link to the psychoacoustics article was missing here it is _________________________________________________________________ >From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 00:18:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F273BEE9; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <165242.24715.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <165242.24715.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-497751543 Message-Id: <522d0054751ff0833b54105cd7cbf5f3@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: TRUST YOUR EARS Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:18:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:18:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-497751543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well... I bet you're thoroughly confused now, eh? I think the best bet =20= is to trust your ears. And equipment is like guitars etc... a good =20 player can make bad stuff sound good and a bad player can make good =20 stuff sound bad. Based on what I heard on your web site - you'll make =20= whatever sound good. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jan-07, at 8:44 AM, margaret noble wrote: > i got it here: > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ART-Tube-MP-Project-Series-=20 > Tube-MicrophoneInstrument-Preamp?sku=3D180643 > > > --- SR Millis wrote: > >> Hi, Margaret, >> >> Where did you get your tube pre-amp? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> >> >> margaret noble wrote: >> Hello List, >> >> I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for >> my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to >> sound as good as if not better then my Presonus >> pre-amp (which has no tube). >> > > > Marg=12aret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-1-497751543 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Well... I bet you're thoroughly confused now, eh? I think the best bet is to trust your ears. And equipment is like guitars etc... a good player can make bad stuff sound good and a bad player can make good stuff sound bad. Based on what I heard on your web site - you'll make whatever sound good. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jan-07, at 8:44 AM, margaret noble wrote: i got it here: = http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/ART-Tube-MP-Project-Series-Tube-Mic= rophoneInstrument-Preamp?sku=3D180643 --- SR Millis < wrote: Hi, Margaret, Where did you get your tube pre-amp? Thanks, Scott margaret noble < wrote: Hello List, I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to sound as good as if not better then my Presonus pre-amp (which has no tube). Marg=12aret Noble Audio Artist=20 http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 = --Apple-Mail-1-497751543-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 00:23:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84EC3BEF1; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Dr3kikZGzhLe/HgJZCSjXOCsbbpO24DLTuM9b/LxeB7SPm5wQ47VdHYBjxhTCYHVYMtaeNVmzuIo+T1JzpjAZOLgOq4IMk1c/8BHtkWriXDKbyntRh+jHL6I08IhMviIeU57YkK3ndvrqXhnm/QdoR8UMufLHD0AP53iBYfduO4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76AE743E-A423-4D6E-8068-387153866E67@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: music of the hemispheres Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:23:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:23:46 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jan 2007, at 00.59, samba - wrote: > Somehow the link to the psychoacoustics article was missing here it is > ex=1168405200&en=541fbeeb5caa7b76&ei=5070&emc=eta1> Thanks, samba. Very interesting but cut a bit short, wasn't it? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 00:37:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF7E03BEF8; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ogy7tmYu7IaFrNC5D5b0cUFQtOmCZhSHnicsivg3CLSGDY38upKEBNWr3CKdsrYU+2M1HWsxICB3fbn2NAchhzAA75SCBIgvS5motMXs08Dlhyze3uV/EmGhUpGm+q5qWi6FFOSGX+xwO0oHaQmL60QBcoBDpgv9cU/KrHcYd3s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F84E08C-4C8B-43E7-B8FB-003192E4AC6F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: ot: old horns metal acoustics Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:37:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:37:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 1, 2007, at 11:28 PM, samba - wrote: > I doubt the composition of the brass is going to change, but if > the instrument is not well made the lack of uniformity, in wall > stiffness for example, could lead to stability problems. I seem to remember some reportage about 3 or 4 years ago about finding that treating metal instruments with super-cooling using liquid nitrogen improved the tone quality. Might have been an NPR story. I did a quick Google search and nothing jumped out at me on the first page. Maybe it turned out to be too expensive a process for results that were too small to justify? Might improve uniformity. regards BobC http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 01:04:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44DF3BEE8; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QiElDHVJz2j6MwsJTOPbXztL28D53Q1/3D79oNFwUqXtK52p8qXLapzeMtTHJmVgq0B2a24KjzDJDEBi0xC0qIwjYZV0n7DqMHmZmWyTowjUm7GTQKGv+IUToo1tWyIDJJMZS27YTsL+79HGm2aLlq8uNXHObDe0TVKs9rtrLio= Message-ID: <588ce11d0701021704v74530631y378c2ae7f5ab1420@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:04:43 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. In-Reply-To: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0118dbc9b1f769191f55a150a7681f61@mac.com> <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:04:45 +0000 (UTC) I tried several of the cheap preamps: I had the Behringer MIC200, ART Tube MP Studio V3, M-Audio Audio Buddy and the Studio Projects VTB1 in the same room to compare, and like margaret I thought the ART sounded very good. I'm not sure what the tube had to do with it, but I think the subtle combination of gain and compression at the beginning of my effects chain really suited my guitar playing. If you like the ART you might like the Studio Projects VTB1 even better, at least I did. On 1/2/07, margaret noble wrote: > Hello List, > > I recently purchased a cheap tube pre-amp by Art for > my autoharp. I couldn't believe because it seemed to > sound as good as if not better then my Presonus > pre-amp (which has no tube). > > Now, i have heard it to be widely accepted that many > prefer tubes because they create a warmer sound. So i > read a bit to see if i could understand why? > > > I think in my most basic primitive grasp of the > concept "tube" that the benefits are due to tube > circuitry whereby a small distortion spectrum results > which causes added harmonics???????<--am i on > track???? > > But, as read further i learned that the main benefit > comes from DH-Set "SE" configurations and that the "PP > (push-pull)" configurations do substantially less of > this "warming effect"???? > > so, i am wondering then, do all current technology > tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or > are there only certain tubes that do this? > > how would i know technically (besides listening) if i > have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs in my manual > that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"? > > I am just trying to decode this mystery so i don't > dogmatically accept audio theory without knowing why. > Any and all input would be great! > > THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME! :-) > > > > Marg=12aret Noble > Audio Artist > http://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 01:39:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAF4C3BEC5; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tvvbWDCOf4bDFpLwUWF2NdwVFpuCtzbBTO2G7mL+ezyR9Xu+n5MBv9Kx4bpFwSNdbV+jeM7CbOiGeQXOBgHZllhi2CNyaM0MMxnrVCR3HNHfE8mVDfegd6OjRWqjnDAxLM0nlTJWj29cZRDnJUOeRqsFO3QsgFs4ZEJmREhftJI= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0701021739t15f7cd66if9fa9aa7bcc85aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:39:14 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_88776_5181600.1167788354394" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:39:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_88776_5181600.1167788354394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Correct me if I am wrong but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks? Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change the octave?? Thanks in advance... -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_88776_5181600.1167788354394 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Correct me if I am wrong
but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's
when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks?

Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change the octave??

Thanks in advance...

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_88776_5181600.1167788354394-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 01:52:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9062F3BEDD; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Z4VLKu0biW/Yc5HClR8PY3mz/L+NKJ+oprq861Bhh+9nnUny6ykQ5AviklUFvCT4; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: 2007 Guitar Rig Reconfig Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:52:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72EAF.E35213B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Accu2cpW3pvVYVFjR1SFqhghc+yeEQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc510d2becd79c60a8f1f1efd6c70c36ed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.68.163.114 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:52:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72EAF.E35213B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, fellow loopists. I've been pondering a revamped setup for some time now, but I am somewhat stuck. So I decided to ask for some opinions and input. I am currently feeding all my stompboxes, rackmounts, and looping devices into a Fender Reverb Deluxe. I also have a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and I'd like to utilize it to maximize the "surround" capability of some delay and reverb effects that I can dial in. I'd also like to use a number of volume pedals, and one of them to be the main volume control. I'm a bit confused as to how to route my cabling to get this configuration to work. I'd also consider using my mixer to post process my loops via "Send-Return". Current setup: Guitar>(main) vol pedal>multi-effect>compressor>distortion>Vortex>MPX-110>DL4>MPX-110> DL4>Chorus>vol pedal>DD-20>RC-20>vol pedal>amp My aim, musically is mostly ambient type stuff looped with distorted electric guitar soloing over it, sometimes clean with delay and lots of verb, etc. So, in a nutshell, here's my signal chain idea: 1. I'd like to split the loopers up, so that say the DL4 can go to one amp, and the DD-20/RC-20 can cover the other amp. 2. I can use my MPX-110 and Vortex to process one signal chain, then Send-Return on my mixer to post process using an Alesis Nanoverb, or some such reverb unit (which I intend to purchase soon) for long decays, etc. Any ideas on how to make this improvement work? And if anyone is using a laptop just to run loops, not live loop with it.where shall I place that in the signal chain? Shall I use my A-B box and just switch it into the chain when I really need it? I sometimes use Soundplant to run prerecorded loops. Well, I hope I didn't confuse anyone. I still consider myself a 'beginner' when it comes to the electronics part of the looping realm. Peace, loops and creativity to you all in 2007. Ed in NJ http://www.myspace/edward_yuhas PS If this gets to be too crazy for the Digest, you can email me privately. Thx. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72EAF.E35213B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings, fellow = loopists…

 

I’ve been pondering a revamped setup for some = time now, but I am somewhat stuck. So I decided to ask for some opinions and = input.

 

I am currently feeding all my stompboxes, rackmounts, = and looping devices into a Fender Reverb Deluxe. =

I also have a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and I’d = like to utilize it to maximize the “surround” capability of some = delay and reverb

effects that I can dial in. I’d also like to = use a number of volume pedals, and one of them to be the main volume = control.

 

I’m a bit confused as to how to route my = cabling to get this configuration to work. I’d also consider using my mixer = to post process

my loops via “Send-Return”. =

 

 

Current setup:

 

Guitar>(main) vol = pedal>multi-effect>compressor>distortion>Vortex>MPX-110>= ;DL4>MPX-110> DL4>Chorus>vol pedal>DD-20>RC-20>vol = pedal>amp

 

My aim, musically is mostly ambient type stuff looped = with distorted electric guitar soloing over it, sometimes clean with delay and lots of = verb, etc.

 

So, in a nutshell, here’s my signal chain = idea:

 

  1. I’d like to = split the loopers up, so that say the DL4 can go to one amp, and the = DD-20/RC-20 can cover the other amp.
  2. I can use my MPX-110 = and Vortex to process one signal chain, then Send-Return on my mixer to post = process using

an Alesis Nanoverb, or = some  such reverb unit (which I intend to purchase soon) for long decays, = etc.

 

Any ideas on how to make this improvement work? And = if anyone is using a laptop just to run loops, not live loop with = it…where shall I place that in the signal chain? Shall I use my A-B box and just = switch it into the chain when I really need it? I sometimes use Soundplant to = run prerecorded loops.

 

Well, I hope I didn’t confuse anyone. I still = consider myself a ‘beginner’ when it comes to the electronics part of = the looping realm.

 

 

Peace, loops and creativity to you all in = 2007…

 

Ed in NJ

http://www.myspace/edward_yuhas<= /a>

 

PS If this gets to be too crazy for the Digest, you = can email me privately. Thx.

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C72EAF.E35213B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 02:24:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2A3D3BEE9; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 02:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d801c72ede$3cb39d10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "margaret noble" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:24:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 02:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Dear Margaret, I'm no expert in the physics of sound but let me attempt to answer your question about tube distortion or noise and solid state/transistor distortion or noise from my relatively unsophisticated understanding of it. All recordings have noise. The reason we want to record something as 'hot' as possible without distortion is so that the difference between that intrinsic noise volume and the volume of your recorded instrument is as great as possible. The louder you can record something without distortion the greater the so-called "Signal to Noise Ratio". Since all recordings (and all reproducing systems and media) have a certain amount of noise, the amplification technology you use will affect that noise and the way it sounds to your ears. In a nutshell, tube amplifiers produce even harmonics. transistor (solid-state) amplifiers produce odd harmonics In the harmonic series, the fundamental frequency (the one we take as the pitch of a sound or the sound) is thought of as the first frequency (hence odd in number). If we take just the first harmonics in this natural series we get F H1 H2 H3 H4 H5...........etc. 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Fund Octave Oct+5th next Octave next+3rd next Octave As you can see, the even harmonics are all octaves. Because of this, they are consonant, harmonically, with the origial Fundamental frequency and sound smoother and more 'harmonious' to our ears. Additionally, as the odd harmonics keep going up, they become increasingly disonant and out of tune. This cause a 'harsher' sound to our ears. Tube amplifiers do make for a smoother sounding noise floor. For lots of reasons, the noise produced by analogue tape machines and record players also seem 'smoother' or 'warmer' to the human ear. Nowadays, since almost everything you hear has to go through analoge to digital conversion and then back from digital to analogue when you hear it reproduced with an amplifier everything has digita conversion problems. Luckily, people have been clever and figured out how to do digital modellings of analogue sounds (tube distortion, record player noise, analogue tape noise (and intrinsic compression). You can even record something with a fairly cheap microphone..............put that recording through a digital model of an expensive microphone.................put it again, through a digital modelling of a tube amplifier (and I've been using Universal Audio's brilliant plug ins that simulate the most expensive and sought after tube amplifiers, compressors, limiters, etc to great effect).................and even add digital simulations of worn record skips and pops and fully convince someone that you found your track at a yard sale on an old 45 rpm single and sampled it. Luckily, those Art Tube preamps are incredible deals for the money. Hmmmmmm, do you buy a used Audio Technica 4033 mic ($250) with an Art tube preamp ($80) that has the identical mic capsule and the identical 12AX7A tube as the Audio Technica 4060 Tube mic ($1,360)? Lol, you be the judge. In the long run, however, I think that an audience cannot discern the difference between me putting my microphone through my Art Tube Preamp with it's intrinsic warm noise or through my incredibly transparent and transistor Mackie pre amplifiers on my mixing board. In a studio perhaps..................in headphones, definitely, but I think the music becomes more important than this fairly subtle difference. Analogue music aficianados would consider that last paragraph heresy, by the way so you'll get lots of different advice about it. The proof is in the pudding. Do YOU like how that Art sounds? That's all that matters because if you do, then now, it is YOUR sound, for better or for worse. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 02:37:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A40ED3BEF9; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 02:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013201c72ee0$0b729880$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:37:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 02:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Duncan wrote: "you can buy a plug-in to simulate tape-saturation! what's that all about? no! buy a real revox!" I hear what you say, Duncan. However, quite frankly, in my musical world, I have to ask this question: "Should I run my recordings through a freeware plugin that uses digital acoustic modelling to simulate tape saturation that 95% of ALL audiences cannot distinguish from the sound of the reall thing (Revox)...... .......or should I use the money that I would have spent on a used Revox tape machine (and all it's attendant cabling and cabinetry and space to house it) on that French Horn that I"ve been lusting over?" Both answers to that question are valid artistically and I truly respect you if your answer is different from mine. In my own world, I just don't make enough money to do both. Consequently, I'll buy the French Horn when I can afford it. If people have the money to do both, then I say more power to you. with respect, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 03:13:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 759873BEE4; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 03:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GvQRpTAzVOOXmf4AMXebegNbVPCFgfeug3jvqWQOaYaJFVnHLpTohi9UpOjUkLCSLfglDZOc4xSBfiQWuzGzwiydd2lmsyJ2Zj0J16De6Tn+/yk0weq5wVIVLZhRKadGWFOFq1XPsbIoATM0pgdXQXJgx904KMWJ1VGRlaGqqMc= ; Message-ID: <20070103031305.14007.qmail@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:13:05 -0800 (PST) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-939401142-1167793985=:13695" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 03:13:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-939401142-1167793985=:13695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this list kicks butt!! i always learn tons from it. thanks for everyone's 2= cents, really helpful!!! the quest for better sound continues, the science= is never ending but addictingly fun!!!!=0A =0AMargaret Noble=0AAudio Artis= t =0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/margaretnoble=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message= ----=0AFrom: a k butler =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:18:51 PM=0ASubject: Re= : Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion.=0A=0A=0A>But, as re= ad further i learned that the main benefit=0A>comes from DH-Set "SE" config= urations and that the "PP=0A>(push-pull)" configurations do substantially l= ess of=0A>this "warming effect"????=0A>=0A>so, i am wondering then, do all = current technology=0A>tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or= =0A>are there only certain tubes that do this?=0A>=0A>how would i know tech= nically (besides listening) if i=0A>have a SE tube or a PP tube from specs = in my manual=0A>that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected"?=0A=0A=0Ahere's= the techno babble:-=0A=0A=0ASE=3D single ended=0APP=3D push pull=0A=0AThos= e are 2 different configurations for valve power amps.=0AIt's not a matter = of tube type, but how they are connected.=0AThe PP configuration is only us= ed for driving loud speakers.=0A=0AFor pre-amping you'll be using a simple = circuit which would (I guess) =0Acorrespond to SE, tho' I don't know if the= term is actually used for =0Anon-power amp applications.=0A=0A12AX7A is a = very common general purpose valve, used in cheap gear and =0Avery expensive= gear.=0A=0AProbably your cheap pre-amp has a chip to do the actual "pre-am= p" =0Apart of the process, then passes the signal through the valve to =0Ac= olour the sound. ( and this is an often used method, even for high =0Aend a= udio gear)=0A=0ASometimes in this sort of gear, the valve is run at low vol= tage, =0Awhich some claim doesn't give the same "valvey" sound, and this is= =0Alikely to be the case if you don't see the valve actually glowing.=0A(c= lever Behringer use LEDS to simulate the glow )=0A=0ASo:-=0ABest way to tel= l is to do what you already did...just listen :-)=0A=0Aandy butler=0A=0A___= _______________________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo!?=0ATired of= spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around =0Ahttp://mail.yaho= o.com --0-939401142-1167793985=:13695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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this list kicks butt!! i always learn to= ns from it. thanks for everyone's 2 cents, really helpful!!! the quest for = better sound continues, the science is never ending but addictingly fu= n!!!!
 
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=0A----- Original Message ----
From: a k butler <akbutler@tiscal= i.co.uk>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, Ja= nuary 2, 2007 12:18:51 PM
Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise= and honest opinion.

=0A
>But, as read further i learned that= the main benefit
>comes from DH-Set "SE" configurations and that the= "PP
>(push-pull)" configurations do substantially less of
>thi= s "warming effect"????
>
>so, i am wondering then, do all curre= nt technology
>tubes sound better/warmer then non-tube preamps? or>are there only certain tubes that do this?
>
>how would i = know technically (besides listening) if i
>have a SE tube or a PP tub= e from specs in my manual
>that read "Tube Type: 12AX7A hand selected= "?


here's the techno babble:-


SE=3D single ended
P= P=3D push pull

Those are 2 different configurations for valve power = amps.
It's not a matter of tube type, but how they are connected.
The= PP configuration is only used for driving loud speakers.

For pre-am= ping you'll be using a simple circuit which would (I guess)
correspond = to SE, tho' I don't know if the term is actually used for
non-power amp applications.

12AX7A is a very common ge= neral purpose valve, used in cheap gear and
very expensive gear.
Probably your cheap pre-amp has a chip to do the actual "pre-amp"
part= of the process, then passes the signal through the valve to
colour the= sound. ( and this is an often used method, even for high
end audio gea= r)

Sometimes in this sort of gear, the valve is run at low voltage, =
which some claim doesn't give the same "valvey" sound, and this is
= likely to be the case if you don't see the valve actually glowing.
(clev= er Behringer use LEDS to simulate the glow )

So:-
Best way to tel= l is to do what you already did...just listen :-)

andy butler
<= /DIV>

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The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape.
The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not reverse, pitch or octave with the 4 normal tracks.


 


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------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C72ECC.8E807DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 05:26:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20B1D3BED8; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 05:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c72ef7$c07ebe40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:26:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=1.0 tests=AWL,INFO_TLD autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 05:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Margaret Noble wrote: "this list kicks butt!! i always learn tons from it. thanks for everyone's 2 cents, really helpful!!! the quest for better sound continues, the science is never ending but addictingly fun!!!!" I agree, I love this list..........it's so creative and so helpful................an amazing resource or very knowledgeable and uber talented musicians. We're blessed to have it. Also, my wife and I are listening to your stuff on your myspace page right now. This track 'Nufon' is just mesmerizing.......................it's ethereal and a little ominous............just exquisite. I didn't know of you until your post so thanks for sharing. Please come perform at the Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival in third weed of October in Santa Cruz. I'll save you a 30 minute performance spot it you can afford to grace us with your presence. Yours, very impressed, Rick Walker www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 06:55:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB91D3BED8; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 06:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lnmPWBwCuDahMuU/KVriiVI1g4gec262nxGnuVMX7I1fN6M1ldquAiGgeTElzYNFaXrlviYCDXelsM9RqfJTksPFpva48usp6WOXNpDcO1fkv9UHbmjQoHo23SeDvL9MfdNPGScZShOOzeHKEdqrcZgMQDkqrSbxe5fTDSwyysc=; X-YMail-OSG: N_1M1TcVM1lcY3DHFrUcOH4K7JHJleKTnKU6sNea65p9wQCQc1efZuRVzLTO0QIaJcw8JfQXotYztHkraAEhYkKZsh6Ae_g1OfdCRtJ6z6e_wJzpq2MQxShNqSq2D8Bjy725yzuMu6Ltt2k- Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:55:08 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: You can't have everyting (tube) where would you put it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013201c72ee0$0b729880$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <332872.75599.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 06:55:10 +0000 (UTC) --- RICK WALKER wrote: > "Should I run my recordings through a freeware > plugin that uses digital > acoustic modelling > to simulate tape saturation that 95% of ALL > audiences cannot distinguish > from the sound of the reall thing (Revox)...... This has been the theme of my music gear world for a while, so it's near and dear to my heart. On one side of me, the "red pill" side, I want to live in the "real world." A world full of tape and tubes and messy stuff to fuck with. The other side of me enjoys living in a world where the real world is simulated. The good thing about it is, as Morphius says, "It is a system with rules. These rules can be bent... and some can be broken." Like the rule of space. If I wanted a real tube pre, I'd have to figure out where it would go in my world. Vintage warmer just takes up space on a hard drive. Not that this hard drive space is infinite, but it's far easier to increase than building an addition to a house. > .......or should I use the money that I would have > spent on a used > Revox tape machine (and all it's attendant cabling > and cabinetry and space > to house it) > on that French Horn that I"ve been lusting over?" Here in San Francisco, the space law is not bendable. There's a fixed amount of it and lots of people who want to live in it because it happens to be pretty damn cool place. I'd love to have a wall of vintage synths, rack gear and tube amps. That would mean working a lot more to fund the rent, or moving far away from the cool place. Moving far from the cool place often means less work for people like me, so there's that too. > Both answers to that question are valid > artistically and I truly respect > you if your answer is different from mine. I don't think it's artistically driven is it? It's a pure problem of space/money. Wouldn't we all love a house full of the best coolest gear, computer and otherwise? > If people have the money to do both, then I say more > power to you. We all find a place of equlibrium. I find I need a good community feeling in my 'hood so I give up the space I'd like. Also I have fallen madly in love with a woman who's got a big dog so that adds it's own limitations in terms of where you can live (especially in a city) I've chosen to give up large studio gear for smaller more nimble computer stuff. Does it sound as good? Probably not, but it got to the point where I didn't have much choise and I'm sure glad I can keep the massive amount of gear in a virtual world at least. I love toys! M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 08:31:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8308D3BEE2; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028001c72f11$9ff854f0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <332872.75599.qm@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: You can't have everyting (tube) where would you put it? Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:31:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:31:57 +0000 (UTC) I love the analogy, Mark. Except, just don't take it to the third movie, okay? :) I like being a brain in a vat. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:55 PM Subject: You can't have everyting (tube) where would you put it? > --- RICK WALKER wrote: > >> "Should I run my recordings through a freeware >> plugin that uses digital >> acoustic modelling >> to simulate tape saturation that 95% of ALL >> audiences cannot distinguish >> from the sound of the reall thing (Revox)...... > > This has been the theme of my music gear world for a > while, so it's near and dear to my heart. On one side > of me, the "red pill" side, I want to live in the > "real world." A world full of tape and tubes and > messy stuff to fuck with. The other side of me enjoys > living in a world where the real world is simulated. > The good thing about it is, as Morphius says, "It is a > system with rules. These rules can be bent... and > some can be broken." > > Like the rule of space. If I wanted a real tube pre, > I'd have to figure out where it would go in my world. > Vintage warmer just takes up space on a hard drive. > Not that this hard drive space is infinite, but it's > far easier to increase than building an addition to a > house. > >> .......or should I use the money that I would have >> spent on a used >> Revox tape machine (and all it's attendant cabling >> and cabinetry and space >> to house it) >> on that French Horn that I"ve been lusting over?" > > Here in San Francisco, the space law is not bendable. > There's a fixed amount of it and lots of people who > want to live in it because it happens to be pretty > damn cool place. I'd love to have a wall of vintage > synths, rack gear and tube amps. That would mean > working a lot more to fund the rent, or moving far > away from the cool place. Moving far from the cool > place often means less work for people like me, so > there's that too. > >> Both answers to that question are valid >> artistically and I truly respect >> you if your answer is different from mine. > > I don't think it's artistically driven is it? It's a > pure problem of space/money. Wouldn't we all love a > house full of the best coolest gear, computer and > otherwise? > >> If people have the money to do both, then I say more >> power to you. > > We all find a place of equlibrium. I find I need a > good community feeling in my 'hood so I give up the > space I'd like. Also I have fallen madly in love with > a woman who's got a big dog so that adds it's own > limitations in terms of where you can live (especially > in a city) > > I've chosen to give up large studio gear for smaller > more nimble computer stuff. Does it sound as good? > Probably not, but it got to the point where I didn't > have much choise and I'm sure glad I can keep the > massive amount of gear in a virtual world at least. > > I love toys! > > M > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 11:48:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE703BEDC; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAEYmm0XUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACOCgEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20070103112227.01b034f8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:48:11 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8D3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtv ne.ad.viacom.com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8D3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4328D32 Resent-Message-ID: <2r1UTC.A.8v.7f5mFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Duncan says:- >ok. >back to the science. >running a valve at a low voltage won't make it glow less; unless there's less voltage across the heater filament (perhaps a trick to get more "valve sound" at lower anode/cathode voltages, ..but definitely good for making the valve last longer > the glow comes from the heater & the cathode, to a lesser degree. >running a valve at a very high voltage will occasionally produce an >additional blue glow, especially if the cathode's almost stripped. also caused by incorrect bias adjustment (correctable in some amps) > the LED installed by EH, behringer & korg (amongst others) is > there because the real glow wasn't bright enough to satisfy their > designers, probably because modern tubes have a little more > suspension material in them, & it hides the "interesting" bits. I don't see any glow at all from the valve in my Behringer pre. ...but I know it's connected, the first unit I got had the nice clear sound of a faulty valve. (otherwise, it's pretty much cosmetic) ...I loved the way they put a "warm up delay" on the LEDS for the "valve glow" andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 15:08:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54593BED9; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XRwlOP7veB3/jnbzuwNdryXVSf1Q4BI8a853PIROohsdS818DUsGmCduqm0Nybd94uoMe3IEmo3XD9Y/Uka/SqmItSgVJfgRaxvF6CAetnvTKa8OPit2tHk4y0TgKlU2ocV5017Bg2m1NwUNjVv9z0IeycoZF0RN3jfrX31CyMc=; X-YMail-OSG: lcvs9XQVM1lRy60WzGgCxpjkp0bleIKtFxto82p0srTTcGyU2gWVz3Y7aaAlPPTvJRoUTynwp3LYj4Gi6pjXQt4MnULYlwfQAYQvm0bC0sBUlquIsE1x8iC3ObJUSOYq1dt0SB5BS72pRIQ- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20070103112227.01b034f8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <708882.10169.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:08:18 +0000 (UTC) --- a k butler wrote: > ...I loved the way they put a "warm up delay" on the > LEDS for the "valve glow" Ha ha ha! I love shit like that too. When I first got my Digitech 2112 I was all, "What the hell's wrong with this! THE TUBE LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BLOW! ... Oh, it's an LED!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 15:09:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359633BED5; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BFoPl0OzXr3/jlFjdZ0CWjQ58rHv5RsH44SdQBgc1xNTZir8eXWwbXNdIwDmSWriDHV9hlvmp4CrmfZWJfmmYfbbnpn16UDUqN0CkHgPOIVhpXUBnnd9ZGDwGE5Wbh6dTvgNGeb56ab/Acur6WLP+VXsnPWmKrzlaIyG0XLZPhk=; X-YMail-OSG: uIvGS2YVM1ku.2fhzLl1ROKqqSyai7qd2W48t21bDHyFw_bTOIGZCo2BwIoOPJaVFx4jYJUiXxvMTsvvjU69th1TSspMw3cqzsct6A9PBQfrSvP7VhC9Fr4693dSJLSjTUttP24FBw8UngM- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: You can't have everyting (tube) where would you put it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <028001c72f11$9ff854f0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <148984.38763.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:09:59 +0000 (UTC) I know I know, the 3rd movie sucked, but I love it anyway. The scene with the family in the train station saved it for me. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I love the analogy, Mark. Except, just don't take > it to the third movie, > okay? :) I like being a brain in a vat. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:55 PM > Subject: You can't have everyting (tube) where would > you put it? > > > > --- RICK WALKER wrote: > > > >> "Should I run my recordings through a freeware > >> plugin that uses digital > >> acoustic modelling > >> to simulate tape saturation that 95% of ALL > >> audiences cannot distinguish > >> from the sound of the reall thing (Revox)...... > > > > This has been the theme of my music gear world for > a > > while, so it's near and dear to my heart. On one > side > > of me, the "red pill" side, I want to live in the > > "real world." A world full of tape and tubes and > > messy stuff to fuck with. The other side of me > enjoys > > living in a world where the real world is > simulated. > > The good thing about it is, as Morphius says, "It > is a > > system with rules. These rules can be bent... and > > some can be broken." > > > > Like the rule of space. If I wanted a real tube > pre, > > I'd have to figure out where it would go in my > world. > > Vintage warmer just takes up space on a hard > drive. > > Not that this hard drive space is infinite, but > it's > > far easier to increase than building an addition > to a > > house. > > > >> .......or should I use the money that I would > have > >> spent on a used > >> Revox tape machine (and all it's attendant > cabling > >> and cabinetry and space > >> to house it) > >> on that French Horn that I"ve been lusting over?" > > > > Here in San Francisco, the space law is not > bendable. > > There's a fixed amount of it and lots of people > who > > want to live in it because it happens to be pretty > > damn cool place. I'd love to have a wall of > vintage > > synths, rack gear and tube amps. That would mean > > working a lot more to fund the rent, or moving far > > away from the cool place. Moving far from the > cool > > place often means less work for people like me, so > > there's that too. > > > >> Both answers to that question are valid > >> artistically and I truly respect > >> you if your answer is different from mine. > > > > I don't think it's artistically driven is it? > It's a > > pure problem of space/money. Wouldn't we all love > a > > house full of the best coolest gear, computer and > > otherwise? > > > >> If people have the money to do both, then I say > more > >> power to you. > > > > We all find a place of equlibrium. I find I need > a > > good community feeling in my 'hood so I give up > the > > space I'd like. Also I have fallen madly in love > with > > a woman who's got a big dog so that adds it's own > > limitations in terms of where you can live > (especially > > in a city) > > > > I've chosen to give up large studio gear for > smaller > > more nimble computer stuff. Does it sound as > good? > > Probably not, but it got to the point where I > didn't > > have much choise and I'm sure glad I can keep the > > massive amount of gear in a virtual world at > least. > > > > I love toys! > > > > M > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 15:12:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90D13BEE8; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ds1KLSyx80KWdMsinuMq4HDlXjqql118N0vtX3WiDSz/McZvClMvFDjhSlyHOEngcQlT/cz/zERxjSvZY4JJmkEzO8RrMNS05VzcKuh0h+HGifPgioBL506+rV2SiSZGNDk9A6XBiAAFm0ezVMgsu/cbSdOUnf4bppyfCueRrVE= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0701030712i55b1036ah31731257b278288e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 09:12:05 -0600 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_94528_12305940.1167837125415" References: <55e79c0d0701021739t15f7cd66if9fa9aa7bcc85aa@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:12:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_94528_12305940.1167837125415 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Charles. I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now and I'm really liking the RC50! 2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky : > > > The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape. > The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not reverse, > pitch or octave with the 4 normal tracks. > > > Correct me if I am wrong > but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's > when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks? > > Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change > the octave?? > > Thanks in advance... > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_94528_12305940.1167837125415 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Charles.
I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now
and I'm really liking the RC50!



2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net>:

The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape.
The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not reverse, pitch or octave with the 4 normal tracks.


Correct me if I am wrong
but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's
when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks?

Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change the octave??

Thanks in advance...

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76


--



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kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_94528_12305940.1167837125415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 16:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDF3E3BEE2; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mPtv5g5B1ZO6auv/YeT1CyW492uatTIqNjoKDO89Z0crZ5MsUzwEYGqz+8kAXN3mLNvwhSgZugF8YMvbwXTL8vm52n9xpf2OrKBjVhCdCY0oQvhqVOlhwnYoiiJeRcR3eY+JbcqHAuG3osTcU9Ox9FRVqEm5YYhckdmvKLCU7fE= Message-ID: <64b81a780701030829h17d37b39x9c9431dc67979650@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:29:40 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. In-Reply-To: <00b001c72eb2$555d1b10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004401c72eb0$101127b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <00b001c72eb2$555d1b10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Kris et al. Just a bit of a heads up regarding CDRs (& CDRWs): they don't hold up well to the ravages of time and studies have placed their estimated shelf life at less than 10 years with many folks finding the cheap CDR(W)s may not last half that long. This is a big deal for archival purposes as it renders CDR(W)s completely useless for reliable long term storage. This probably isn't an issue for small runs of albums for demo purposes or to pass among friends, but I wouldn't expect to find a functional CDR buried in the attic twenty years later. The best solution I've found so far is to store master copies of all my work on hard discs. Some folks use a system wherein they buy a new (small, not these 200GB models) hard disk for each new album project. They do all their recording & mastering, burn CDs, then pull the drive out, label it, and stick it on a shelf. The cheaper option is to periodically (every two years or so) reburn your CDR(W)s so you've always got a few fresh ones around. Todd On 1/2/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > That's the case for DiskFaktory as well. That's part of the reason why the > price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm finished with glass mastered > CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered (I obtained no benefit > from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet who can't play my CD-Rs, > and they look no different than the glass mastered (silver bottomed, etc). > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Peters > To: Loopers Delight > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:53 PM > Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. > > > > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, shrink > warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for a short > run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs through > another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD > > > I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. > > > -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 16:33:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BAF43BEE9; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.088424 secs) Message-ID: <2918.142.106.248.72.1167842027.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780701030829h17d37b39x9c9431dc67979650@mail.gmail.com> References: <004401c72eb0$101127b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <00b001c72eb2$555d1b10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780701030829h17d37b39x9c9431dc67979650@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:33:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Any idea how long the hard-drives last sitting on a shelf? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Kris et al. > > Just a bit of a heads up regarding CDRs (& CDRWs): they don't hold up > well to the ravages of time and studies have placed their estimated > shelf life at less than 10 years with many folks finding the cheap > CDR(W)s may not last half that long. This is a big deal for archival > purposes as it renders CDR(W)s completely useless for reliable long > term storage. > > This probably isn't an issue for small runs of albums for demo > purposes or to pass among friends, but I wouldn't expect to find a > functional CDR buried in the attic twenty years later. > > The best solution I've found so far is to store master copies of all > my work on hard discs. Some folks use a system wherein they buy a new > (small, not these 200GB models) hard disk for each new album project. > They do all their recording & mastering, burn CDs, then pull the drive > out, label it, and stick it on a shelf. > > The cheaper option is to periodically (every two years or so) reburn > your CDR(W)s so you've always got a few fresh ones around. > > Todd > > > On 1/2/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >> That's the case for DiskFaktory as well. That's part of the reason why >> the >> price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm finished with glass >> mastered >> CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered (I obtained no >> benefit >> from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet who can't play my >> CD-Rs, >> and they look no different than the glass mastered (silver bottomed, >> etc). >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michael Peters >> To: Loopers Delight >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:53 PM >> Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. >> >> >> > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, shrink >> warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for a >> short >> run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs >> through >> another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD >> >> >> I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. >> >> >> -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 16:44:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 842403BEDF; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H2h7Adx2PU3ouCTdipVS+hF4SD/e1YjXUd56f0E1wfDIVxS0CBuLpveSZ5laauRCXyMAP/A/5Nc3xgA5+tOYg9dZ7bBvlIv7W3xdui0I7CjR9P+sTnpxHD0QtQ/sC6Te69freniCUbXBfatvcsESQ0uLRf897JqXNvkm53SOY/E= Message-ID: <64b81a780701030844r2299aec5w568e37def382e64e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:44:09 -0500 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. In-Reply-To: <2918.142.106.248.72.1167842027.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004401c72eb0$101127b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <00b001c72eb2$555d1b10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780701030829h17d37b39x9c9431dc67979650@mail.gmail.com> <2918.142.106.248.72.1167842027.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Good question. I know some old (circa 80s, early 90s) drives would have a tendency to freeze up if left sitting for too long. I don't think this applies any more, but it would be a good idea to do a little research on the topic. Todd On 1/3/07, scott@dreamstate.to wrote: > Any idea how long the hard-drives last sitting on a shelf? > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > Kris et al. > > > > Just a bit of a heads up regarding CDRs (& CDRWs): they don't hold up > > well to the ravages of time and studies have placed their estimated > > shelf life at less than 10 years with many folks finding the cheap > > CDR(W)s may not last half that long. This is a big deal for archival > > purposes as it renders CDR(W)s completely useless for reliable long > > term storage. > > > > This probably isn't an issue for small runs of albums for demo > > purposes or to pass among friends, but I wouldn't expect to find a > > functional CDR buried in the attic twenty years later. > > > > The best solution I've found so far is to store master copies of all > > my work on hard discs. Some folks use a system wherein they buy a new > > (small, not these 200GB models) hard disk for each new album project. > > They do all their recording & mastering, burn CDs, then pull the drive > > out, label it, and stick it on a shelf. > > > > The cheaper option is to periodically (every two years or so) reburn > > your CDR(W)s so you've always got a few fresh ones around. > > > > Todd > > > > > > On 1/2/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > >> > >> That's the case for DiskFaktory as well. That's part of the reason why > >> the > >> price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm finished with glass > >> mastered > >> CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered (I obtained no > >> benefit > >> from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet who can't play my > >> CD-Rs, > >> and they look no different than the glass mastered (silver bottomed, > >> etc). > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Michael Peters > >> To: Loopers Delight > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:53 PM > >> Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. > >> > >> > >> > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, shrink > >> warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for a > >> short > >> run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs > >> through > >> another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD > >> > >> > >> I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. > >> > >> > >> -Michael > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 16:47:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DE683BEFA; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:47:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780701030829h17d37b39x9c9431dc67979650@mail.gmail.com> References: <004401c72eb0$101127b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <00b001c72eb2$555d1b10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780701030829h17d37b39x9c9431dc67979650@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-557073199 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:47:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:47:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-557073199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I like the gold CDs. They're SUPPOSED to last 100 years. Of course... I know. But I have two terabites of hard drive now loaded and am getting tired of buying them! I always use gold CDs to send to master or replicate. They sound better. CDRs are good for short runs and testing before glass master etc. ALWAYS good to print as CDR first, circulate and see what folks think. Then you can be sure you have the song order right, songs right etc. The cheapest thing is to buy a CDR duplicator and decent ink jet printer. I used to do that as a part of my business. Easy... and after a few runs and selling the CDRs, it's paid for. Mine cost around 700 USD. Printer was around 500. Once you've sold one or two hundred CDs, it's paid for. For archiving, I'm setting my hopes on Blueray. Say... there's a good name for an digerati electronica soul band - Blueray Charles. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 3-Jan-07, at 8:29 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > Kris et al. > > Just a bit of a heads up regarding CDRs (& CDRWs): they don't hold up > well to the ravages of time and studies have placed their estimated > shelf life at less than 10 years with many folks finding the cheap > CDR(W)s may not last half that long. This is a big deal for archival > purposes as it renders CDR(W)s completely useless for reliable long > term storage. > > This probably isn't an issue for small runs of albums for demo > purposes or to pass among friends, but I wouldn't expect to find a > functional CDR buried in the attic twenty years later. > > The best solution I've found so far is to store master copies of all > my work on hard discs. Some folks use a system wherein they buy a new > (small, not these 200GB models) hard disk for each new album project. > They do all their recording & mastering, burn CDs, then pull the drive > out, label it, and stick it on a shelf. > > The cheaper option is to periodically (every two years or so) reburn > your CDR(W)s so you've always got a few fresh ones around. > > Todd > > > On 1/2/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >> That's the case for DiskFaktory as well. That's part of the reason >> why the >> price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm finished with glass >> mastered >> CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered (I obtained no >> benefit >> from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet who can't play my >> CD-Rs, >> and they look no different than the glass mastered (silver bottomed, >> etc). >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michael Peters >> To: Loopers Delight >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:53 PM >> Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. >> >> >> > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, >> shrink >> warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for >> a short >> run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs >> through >> another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD >> >> >> I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. >> >> >> -Michael > --Apple-Mail-3-557073199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I like the gold CDs. They're SUPPOSED to last 100 years. Of course... I know. But I have two terabites of hard drive now loaded and am getting tired of buying them! I always use gold CDs to send to master or replicate. They sound better. CDRs are good for short runs and testing before glass master etc. ALWAYS good to print as CDR first, circulate and see what folks think. Then you can be sure you have the song order right, songs right etc. The cheapest thing is to buy a CDR duplicator and decent ink jet printer. I used to do that as a part of my business. Easy... and after a few runs and selling the CDRs, it's paid for. Mine cost around 700 USD. Printer was around 500. Once you've sold one or two hundred CDs, it's paid for. For archiving, I'm setting my hopes on Blueray. Say... there's a good name for an digerati electronica soul band - Blueray Charles. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 3-Jan-07, at 8:29 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: Kris et al. Just a bit of a heads up regarding CDRs (& CDRWs): they don't hold up well to the ravages of time and studies have placed their estimated shelf life at less than 10 years with many folks finding the cheap CDR(W)s may not last half that long. This is a big deal for archival purposes as it renders CDR(W)s completely useless for reliable long term storage. This probably isn't an issue for small runs of albums for demo purposes or to pass among friends, but I wouldn't expect to find a functional CDR buried in the attic twenty years later. The best solution I've found so far is to store master copies of all my work on hard discs. Some folks use a system wherein they buy a new (small, not these 200GB models) hard disk for each new album project. They do all their recording & mastering, burn CDs, then pull the drive out, label it, and stick it on a shelf. The cheaper option is to periodically (every two years or so) reburn your CDR(W)s so you've always got a few fresh ones around. Todd On 1/2/07, Krispen Hartung < wrote: That's the case for DiskFaktory as well. That's part of the reason why the price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm finished with glass mastered CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered (I obtained no benefit from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet who can't play my CD-Rs, and they look no different than the glass mastered (silver bottomed, etc). Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Peters To: Loopers Delight Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, shrink warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for a short run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs through another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. -Michael --Apple-Mail-3-557073199-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 17:06:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 780213BEF7; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0701030712i55b1036ah31731257b278288e@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0701021739t15f7cd66if9fa9aa7bcc85aa@mail.gmail.com> <55e79c0d0701030712i55b1036ah31731257b278288e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 11:52:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1044278493==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b27a6b9f5179285e9dcb77e3f138d857eea5ece4b2f813cb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:06:50 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1044278493==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Horses for courses. Every looper inspires a different style of working. I find the menu driven operation of th RC 50 to be too intrusive, plus NOBODY seems to be able to explain how to turn off the obnoxious beat when you desire to start a new loop without a rhythm. >Thanks Charles. >I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now >and I'm really liking the RC50! > > >2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky < >cazwicky@earthlink.net>: > > >The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape. >The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not >reverse, pitch or octave with the 4 normal tracks. > > >>Correct me if I am wrong >>but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's >>when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks? >> >>Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or >>change the octave?? >> >>Thanks in advance... >> >>-- >>kosukeweb >>http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 >> > > >-- >... >http://www.zmix.net > > > > >-- >kosukeweb >http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1044278493==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function
Horses for courses. Every looper inspires a different style of working. I find the menu driven operation of th RC 50 to be too intrusive, plus NOBODY seems to be able to explain how to turn off the obnoxious beat when you desire to start a new loop without a rhythm.

Thanks Charles.
I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now
and I'm really liking the RC50!

2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net>:

The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape.
The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not reverse, pitch or octave with the 4 normal tracks.


Correct me if I am wrong
but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's
when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks?

Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change the octave??

Thanks in advance...

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76


--
...
http://www.zmix.net



--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76


--
...
http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1044278493==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 17:08:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D33123BECF; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:08:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 469739985 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C72F59.C28C926D" Subject: RE: 2nd hand revox (was: Tubes in Pre-amps) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:08:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A725797F3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: 2nd hand revox (was: Tubes in Pre-amps) thread-index: AccvWKUuxL1Fu+63QuWMMN6MRRmOnQ== References: <013201c72ee0$0b729880$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2007 17:08:16.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2BB2D30:01C72F59] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:08:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C72F59.C28C926D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Should I run my recordings through a freeware plugin..or should I use = the money that I would have spent on a used Revox tape machine<< yeah, the key word there is "freeware". the plug-in tape sim I was = thinking of at the time of my brain-heated ranting was something I'd = seen reviewed, probably by hugh robjohns in sound-on-sound, which was = close to or beyond 2000 english quids. I mean, that's crazy however much = disposable income one has. as a rule of thumb, when it comes to disposing of disposable income in = some sort of musician-friendly emporium, I tend to favour things that = can make a noise on their own over things that merely process or = control. I mention this because in this context, the french horn is = obviously top of the list, then the revox, then the software. indeed, that far-off day in ancient history when I bought my first = repeater, I felt compelled to acquire a new synth module I didn't need, = which was the start of a whole new adventure using emu modules. but I digress. again. d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C72F59.C28C926D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 2nd hand revox (was: Tubes in Pre-amps)

>>Should  I run my recordings through a = freeware plugin..or should I use the money that I would have spent on a = used Revox tape machine<<

yeah, the key word there is "freeware". the plug-in tape sim I = was thinking of at the time of my brain-heated ranting was something I'd = seen reviewed, probably by hugh robjohns in sound-on-sound, which was = close to or beyond 2000 english quids. I mean, that's crazy however much = disposable income one has.

as a rule of thumb, when it comes to disposing of disposable income in = some sort of musician-friendly emporium, I tend to favour things that = can make a noise on their own over things that merely process or = control. I mention this because in this context, the french horn is = obviously top of the list, then the revox, then the software.
indeed, that far-off day in ancient history when I bought my first = repeater, I felt compelled to acquire a new synth module I didn't need, = which was the start of a whole new adventure using emu modules.
but I digress. again.

d.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C72F59.C28C926D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 17:13:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92C363BECF; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at 295.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <283AC9B9-03D4-4249-B21F-9ED9E7B5F4C3@stavros.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Stavros Stavropoulos Subject: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:12:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Loopy Lama vst is crashing Ableton live when I try to load it. I've enabled vst plugs in pref.... Any suggestions. I'm on an Imac G5 os 10.4.8 / 1.5 gb ram thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 17:13:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC5673BEEA; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HH/tFOwe1GGJNUwx1j5acVDU+NKdSgQPfjZbixnGCzuGYUSEfJyos+xMO3W3KL3qi3xlwFnCnG4EG4FUOMPcNFXOjOfy//grw056hSZHyx0mfYQV80UK4pIO6TNx9HsLFAgR32b6wN24nv9NfRIvkWgeFEzdmcl6gCeQUc81S4o= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:13:30 +0000 From: "Pawel Janowski" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <55e79c0d0701021739t15f7cd66if9fa9aa7bcc85aa@mail.gmail.com> <55e79c0d0701030712i55b1036ah31731257b278288e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:13:31 +0000 (UTC) I couldn't switch that off either. That's the big turn-off with the RC50 for me. It just seemed to be too much of a "jam tool" with all the beats etc. Haven't tried the 2880 yet. On 1/3/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > Horses for courses. Every looper inspires a different style of working. I > find the menu driven operation of th RC 50 to be too intrusive, plus NOBODY > seems to be able to explain how to turn off the obnoxious beat when you > desire to start a new loop without a rhythm. > > > > Thanks Charles. > I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now > and I'm really liking the RC50! > > > 2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net>: > > > > The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape. > The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not reverse, pitch > or octave with the 4 normal tracks. > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong > but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's > when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks? > > Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change > the octave?? > > Thanks in advance... > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > > > > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > > > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > > > > -- > > > ... > http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 17:49:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED39A3BECA; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <55e79c0d0701021739t15f7cd66if9fa9aa7bcc85aa@mail.gmail.com> <55e79c0d0701030712i55b1036ah31731257b278288e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:49:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b27a6b9f5179285e428e4f6665121b7a10da127345fe7d85350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC) I manged to get someting happening on the RC-50 that I liked, but nothing so special that I wanted to own it... and I have owned almost every hardware looper out there! Roland / Boss have always aimed for the lowest common denominator in their products. I would guess that a survey of owners would show that 90% of the RC-20 / RC-50s contain a 12 bar blues at one point or another! I sold my baby, the Jamman, to the talented Tom Heasley. at the moment I have only my EH 16 second delay, the Repeater and a 2880. Of these three the 2880 sounds the best, by far. >I couldn't switch that off either. That's the big turn-off with the >RC50 for me. It just seemed to be too much of a "jam tool" with all >the beats etc. Haven't tried the 2880 yet. > >On 1/3/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> >> >>Horses for courses. Every looper inspires a different style of working. I >>find the menu driven operation of th RC 50 to be too intrusive, plus NOBODY >>seems to be able to explain how to turn off the obnoxious beat when you >>desire to start a new loop without a rhythm. >> >> >> >>Thanks Charles. >> I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now >> and I'm really liking the RC50! >> >> >>2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net>: >> >> >> >>The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape. >>The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not reverse, pitch >>or octave with the 4 normal tracks. >> >> >> >> >>Correct me if I am wrong >> but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's >> when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks? >> >> Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change >>the octave?? >> >> Thanks in advance... >> >> -- >> kosukeweb >> http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> >> >> >> -- >> kosukeweb >> http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >>... >> http://www.zmix.net -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 18:13:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC81B3BEDF; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <30319595.1167847981080.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:13:01 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function Cc: Pawel Janowski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't one just turn the separate volume control down on the rhythm track? -- Paul ---- Pawel Janowski wrote: > I couldn't switch that off either. That's the big turn-off with the > RC50 for me. It just seemed to be too much of a "jam tool" with all > the beats etc. Haven't tried the 2880 yet. > > On 1/3/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > > > > Horses for courses. Every looper inspires a different style of working. I > > find the menu driven operation of th RC 50 to be too intrusive, plus NOBODY > > seems to be able to explain how to turn off the obnoxious beat when you > > desire to start a new loop without a rhythm. > > > > > > > > Thanks Charles. > > I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now > > and I'm really liking the RC50! > > > > > > 2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net>: > > > > > > > > The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape. > > The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not reverse, pitch > > or octave with the 4 normal tracks. > > > > > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong > > but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's > > when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks? > > > > Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change > > the octave?? > > > > Thanks in advance... > > > > -- > > kosukeweb > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > > kosukeweb > > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 18:49:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68EE73BEDA; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:49:03 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Boss RC50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004a01c72f67$d7407090$6501a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <55e79c0d0701021739t15f7cd66if9fa9aa7bcc85aa@mail.gmail.com> <55e79c0d0701030712i55b1036ah31731257b278288e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Season's greetings everyone. :) Having lived with 28secs of loop time (no undo function) on a DL4 I'm in love with what the RC50 offers in helping me realize my looping fantasies. I've always dreamed of owning, playing and creating with an Echoplex Digital Pro. Well with he RC50 here maybe next time... hopefully it would be a seriously expanded version called Echoplex MkII :) I play a Godin Multiac Steel Duet with the RC50 without using the built in drums as I prefer to create percussive loops by slapping, thumping or tapping on the guitar's soundboard with my bare hands. This is an essential part of my performance and I often also apply delays to the hand beats for rhythmic variety. I use both Single and Multi modes though I find myself using the Multi mode most of the time. As I previously stated I do wish there was a way to switch play back of sections A & B of a song with phrase pedal 2 and 3 whilst assigning phrase 1 to contine looping. Currently the RC50 doesn't allow this but I'm pretty sure this can be resolved with firmware updates. (BOSS! If you are reading this please, please do so soon!) I use the RC50 to compose, improv, practice and teach in my private time but I don't use pre stored loops in my solo performance which I can if I choose to but somehow prefer the freedom and creative excitement that comes with creating the loops on the spot when performing for an audience. I don't seem to fully understand why others are facing such major problems about the built in drums. How I go about the RC50 is to program some (blank audio) presets in multi or single mode with certain parameters (eg. fade in/out, immmediate/phrase change mode etc) saved according to my range of looping needs. I always save the presets with the guide drum knob turned fully clockwise. I use a single expression pedal with the RC50 which I sometimes save in the patch for general volume control or independent phrase volume. During setup for my gigs I go through a lil procedure of checking that phrase 1,2 & 3 are set correctly, that the input knobs, output knobs and finally the built in drum vol knob is turned fully anti clockwise. Except for my above stated wants and needs for improvements the RC50 is so far so good. :) I'm currently performing 5 nights a week here in Singapore playing at Harry's (Harbour Front and Far East Square). Come by if you're in town ya. My repertoire is a mix of reinterpreted covers in Jazzy Pop, Rock, Blues and originals mixed with some ambient and soundscape improvs when the mood is right. Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 19:02:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84C443BEF0; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <28809091.1167850524230.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:55:24 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC50 Cc: Randolf Arriola MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (I always save the presets with the guide drum knob turned fully clockwise) Do you mean "anti clockwise"? -- Paul Richards ---- Randolf Arriola wrote: > Season's greetings everyone. :) > > Having lived with 28secs of loop time (no undo function) on a DL4 I'm in > love with what the RC50 offers in helping me realize my looping fantasies. > I've always dreamed of owning, playing and creating with an Echoplex Digital > Pro. Well with he RC50 here maybe next time... hopefully it would be a > seriously expanded version called Echoplex MkII :) > > I play a Godin Multiac Steel Duet with the RC50 without using the built in > drums as I prefer to create percussive loops by slapping, thumping or > tapping on the guitar's soundboard with my bare hands. This is an essential > part of my performance and I often also apply delays to the hand beats for > rhythmic variety. I use both Single and Multi modes though I find myself > using the Multi mode most of the time. As I previously stated I do wish > there was a way to switch play back of sections A & B of a song with phrase > pedal 2 and 3 whilst assigning phrase 1 to contine looping. Currently the > RC50 doesn't allow this but I'm pretty sure this can be resolved with > firmware updates. (BOSS! If you are reading this please, please do so soon!) > I use the RC50 to compose, improv, practice and teach in my private time but > I don't use pre stored loops in my solo performance which I can if I choose > to but somehow prefer the freedom and creative excitement that comes with > creating the loops on the spot when performing for an audience. > > I don't seem to fully understand why others are facing such major problems > about the built in drums. How I go about the RC50 is to program some (blank > audio) presets in multi or single mode with certain parameters (eg. fade > in/out, immmediate/phrase change mode etc) saved according to my range of > looping needs. I always save the presets with the guide drum knob turned > fully clockwise. I use a single expression pedal with the RC50 which I > sometimes save in the patch for general volume control or independent phrase > volume. During setup for my gigs I go through a lil procedure of checking > that phrase 1,2 & 3 are set correctly, that the input knobs, output knobs > and finally the built in drum vol knob is turned fully anti clockwise. > Except for my above stated wants and needs for improvements the RC50 is so > far so good. :) > > I'm currently performing 5 nights a week here in Singapore playing at > Harry's (Harbour Front and Far East Square). Come by if you're in town ya. > My repertoire is a mix of reinterpreted covers in Jazzy Pop, Rock, Blues and > originals mixed with some ambient and soundscape improvs when the mood is > right. > > Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) > Hp 97584919 > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm > http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 19:07:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CE963BEF3; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Sf5ytWXoPBRkZ67ubzDVGGel07hpELrHK8QaPSh4c7xRNVDiYlO2rNhVS6gDVsLZG3GwD+DNXU/bfHBZ6p/4hotLSJf7M3QWRmgPC2rtbVzB+Cuyw4zixefcHGkAA5DZhUa61aIfmHeXWryg82DJoODoX5yCQhzMjYdfBKlbh70= Message-ID: <26ba8d120701031107x27ef3d42hf22ae69f52911a48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:07:29 -0500 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap cd publishing no min. In-Reply-To: <2918.142.106.248.72.1167842027.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004401c72eb0$101127b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <00b001c72eb2$555d1b10$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780701030829h17d37b39x9c9431dc67979650@mail.gmail.com> <2918.142.106.248.72.1167842027.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e387b14b5f2d4a72 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Never leave your backups sitting on a shelf! I have rotating backups that I do every month or so (as well as incremental after I do a lot of work).... periodically I erase the oldest one and use it again for new things. And at least once, the old backup didn't work -- so I just tossed the disk out. This means that I never archive things, they are always live... but with a 250 gig drive running less than $60 now, it's really not that much money considering how much work I put into my digital world. (I'm waiting for another TB of disk to show up in the mail....) On 1/3/07, scott@dreamstate.to wrote: > Any idea how long the hard-drives last sitting on a shelf? > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > Kris et al. > > > > Just a bit of a heads up regarding CDRs (& CDRWs): they don't hold up > > well to the ravages of time and studies have placed their estimated > > shelf life at less than 10 years with many folks finding the cheap > > CDR(W)s may not last half that long. This is a big deal for archival > > purposes as it renders CDR(W)s completely useless for reliable long > > term storage. > > > > This probably isn't an issue for small runs of albums for demo > > purposes or to pass among friends, but I wouldn't expect to find a > > functional CDR buried in the attic twenty years later. > > > > The best solution I've found so far is to store master copies of all > > my work on hard discs. Some folks use a system wherein they buy a new > > (small, not these 200GB models) hard disk for each new album project. > > They do all their recording & mastering, burn CDs, then pull the drive > > out, label it, and stick it on a shelf. > > > > The cheaper option is to periodically (every two years or so) reburn > > your CDR(W)s so you've always got a few fresh ones around. > > > > Todd > > > > > > On 1/2/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > >> > >> That's the case for DiskFaktory as well. That's part of the reason why > >> the > >> price is so reasonable. I don't mind it. I'm finished with glass > >> mastered > >> CDs, and only my first looping CD was glass-mastered (I obtained no > >> benefit > >> from the extra cost). I haven't found a person yet who can't play my > >> CD-Rs, > >> and they look no different than the glass mastered (silver bottomed, > >> etc). > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Michael Peters > >> To: Loopers Delight > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:53 PM > >> Subject: RE: cheap cd publishing no min. > >> > >> > >> > The price looks good to me. $1.60 a CD for the color printing, shrink > >> warpping, UPC code, etc? I haven't seen a price lower than this for a > >> short > >> run outfit. Even when I did a large run of 500 glass mastered CDs > >> through > >> another company, the cost was still $2.40 a CD > >> > >> > >> I doubt that they really do CDs - I think what they're doing is CDRs. > >> > >> > >> -Michael > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 19:51:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97863BEE8; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <30319595.1167847981080.JavaMail.root@web26> References: <30319595.1167847981080.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:47:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EH 2880 Reverse and Octave Function Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120b27a6b9f5179285ee4ec44dd7bb053db80a966c17e7b0748350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.208.154 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Sure, you can turn it down, but it's a software knob and won't read the physical position until it is moved. It defaults to FULL BLAST when you start from scratch... yuk. >Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't one just turn the separate volume >control down on the rhythm track? >-- >Paul > >---- Pawel Janowski wrote: >> I couldn't switch that off either. That's the big turn-off with the >> RC50 for me. It just seemed to be too much of a "jam tool" with all >> the beats etc. Haven't tried the 2880 yet. >> >> On 1/3/07, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> > >> > >> > Horses for courses. Every looper inspires a different style of working. I >> > find the menu driven operation of th RC 50 to be too intrusive, >>plus NOBODY >> > seems to be able to explain how to turn off the obnoxious beat when you >> > desire to start a new loop without a rhythm. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks Charles. >> > I'm actually comparing the Boss RC50 vs the EH2880 side by side right now >> > and I'm really liking the RC50! >> > >> > >> > 2007/1/2, Charles Zwicky < cazwicky@earthlink.net>: >> > >> > >> > >> > The 4 normal tracks all act like a single piece of 4-track tape. >> > The mixdown track, when used in constant tempo mode will not >>reverse, pitch >> > or octave with the 4 normal tracks. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Correct me if I am wrong >> > but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's >> > when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks? >> > >> > Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in >>reverse or change >> > the octave?? >> > >> > Thanks in advance... >> > >> > -- >> > kosukeweb >> > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ... >> > http://www.zmix.net >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > kosukeweb >> > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > ... >> > http://www.zmix.net >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 20:36:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD1EB3BEE2; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.28] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070103164411.000BF3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cds Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:36:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2007 20:36:44.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2103D70:01C72F76] Resent-Message-ID: <6_MRJB.A.4-F.fPBnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:36:47 +0000 (UTC) I've was told by a very prominent ethnomusicologist who I met at Lou Harrison's house that tape is still the prefered media for archival storage. Cds are cool,but poorly designed,Putting the data on the bottom is just plain stupid.It seems someone believed they wouldn't scratch.I've seen cd condoms for sale-probably a good idea.And why don't they store data on both sides? couldn't sell as many units? I really like the idea of giving away music.I also like getting paid for my creative efforts.Don't see any reason I can't do a bit of each. In general the prices for mass distribution cds,compared to production costs are. obscene,esp for imports of ethnic stuff where the artists get practically nothing.So I like the idea of selling cds for low prices.Too low and people think they must not be any good,so optimal pricing would be less than commercial standard. _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place!  MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 20:50:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E7203BEE0; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:50:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAE+lm0XUSnInh2dsb2JhbACNPgEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20070103204327.01bd3e28@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:50:29 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Cds In-Reply-To: References: <20070103164411.000BF3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-43C6AFB Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:50:25 +0000 (UTC) >I've was told by a very prominent ethnomusicologist who I met at Lou >Harrison's house that tape is still the prefered media for archival storage. Smithsonian Folkways are transferring their tapes to digital. All media have limited life, but the advantage with digital is that with care you can re-copy every so often without loss. The advantage of tape is that even without care you still get some kind of audio, whereas when digital media degrades you tend to lose everything. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 21:12:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3809C3BEE7; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=biaThBMJTt+Q6N12VHnTQL9SYBLSW6gsIexvj7blvppxV1tBLySylixuBPybibzCmLsO1s8liFgpsWVgzEYnCkEhIcNsfLGVTFAck7KG9lMnfBdGTnTDAYwMPTFuKFyxkUjcdvfadUWf6dPWnNkfKHqiMhCqlb2s8vbDgjU4fbI=; X-YMail-OSG: Arf7ZJcVM1nu81GOOs5jkEdwRGZn0O66q6FZzMoB4gXLyOFLYmvu2wYMm7okS1xT5XvR5bacqAtCwa.Iu5j0H.hoNmIillN1Iz0fj7ID9_umLmdI.R0ITw-- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <283AC9B9-03D4-4249-B21F-9ED9E7B5F4C3@stavros.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <249531.8862.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0qsmw.A.5sH.5wBnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Interesting, I just sent an email to the developer because Loop Llama is also crashing Live 6 on XP. Seems like it has issues. So far the only software looper for Mac that I feel is worth installing is Augustusloop. --- Stavros Stavropoulos wrote: > Loopy Lama vst is crashing Ableton live when I try > to load it. > I've enabled vst plugs in pref.... > Any suggestions. > I'm on an Imac G5 os 10.4.8 / 1.5 gb ram > thanks > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 22:10:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E27B3BEE2; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Rl/DggYFsyKKTGwoJ7/9My7A4uFHpRnARwDy5MsL/cZUDnNtpNlwY4B7aW6U+wTsjMZQBDxuf0l8D+/OUWVFILty5f7bgnPTIUllNRWq9+rIYPf2Bira/SSpt/H40l8P3nTqbsznDKpbBl/G48/A+PncNHjpkSTq1BsofqjVbzA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <249531.8862.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <249531.8862.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04767137-BD3B-4F1B-8CB8-4D7A1CBFC4A6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:10:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1VGtGB.A.XWC.TnCnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:10:27 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jan 2007, at 22.12, mark sottilaro wrote: > Interesting, I just sent an email to the developer > because Loop Llama is also crashing Live 6 on XP. > Seems like it has issues. > > So far the only software looper for Mac that I feel is > worth installing is Augustusloop. Agreed! I too find that plug-in awesome! I've been using it for two years now and seen it improve with each upgrade based on our, the users, modest wishes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:23:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B0513BEE2; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <459C3AF8.7040308@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:23:36 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cds References: <20070103164411.000BF3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20070103204327.01bd3e28@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20070103204327.01bd3e28@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:23:35 +0000 (UTC) CD/Tape...here's a tidbit about National Public Radio's Fresh Air: > Most of Gross's interviews are taped and edited down, and as is the > case in many radio programs, guests are often not in the studio. While > nearly all other radio programming now use digital recording, Fresh > Air is still recorded, edited and played on analog reel-to-reel tape. > However, the program's website announced in 2006 that the aging tapes > were now deteriorating and that they would soon begin transferring the > thousands of interviews "to a digital format and indexing them." The > show usually uses fiber-optic lines to conduct its interviews leading > to a superior sound quality. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_Air http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Gross Wow, Terry Gross has been there 30 years! =David a k butler wrote: > >> I've was told by a very prominent ethnomusicologist who I met at Lou >> Harrison's house that tape is still the prefered media for archival >> storage. > > Smithsonian Folkways are transferring their tapes to digital. > > All media have limited life, but the advantage with digital is that > with care you can > re-copy every so often without loss. > > The advantage of tape is that even without care you still get some > kind of audio, whereas when digital media degrades you tend to lose > everything. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 3 23:49:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D72CF3BED0; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BXtBNsY4L1cW8bXLgEJRyvtPqJToNjZ8uLRWjnJaMf+XKTestdwMibcY8wAy090uhqrU2xWOlKnEYpLyVNg+Ynm1YPBWUuR19+9DPrOQAb2IaoTcQ2FIewX8VE8L26ed2BAhEKtK3/AwyK9sGQ7LtLAMZ79YIUhBfuKpfyBvCaM= ; Message-ID: <20070103234911.95027.qmail@web27711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZsFr4x0VM1nBsqyKZMGXc4aM_b6slaKoGQviapuv1C6IO0bfp_1ZSYEDkPNVEQvUOVhTDxFALCd2ONjKDYHiUwcUh_iUsHmdiTSvgllKDxrokg8wTF0- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:49:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04767137-BD3B-4F1B-8CB8-4D7A1CBFC4A6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Augustus Loop is indeed superb, but I find myself having a growing soft spot for SooperLooper - I'm still fiddling around trying to decide whether SooperLooper with multiple loops open, or Rax (another piece of excellent and very cheap software) with multiple Augustus Loop instances open is the way to go. One advantage to multiple SooperLooper loops is that if you open up 4 loops, position the window in the top left corner then switch to 800x600 resolution, you get a huge display of what's going on - no risk of missing anything there ! (Resize the window a little and switch off the Dock for full effect...) - Tony --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 3 jan 2007, at 22.12, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Interesting, I just sent an email to the developer > > because Loop Llama is also crashing Live 6 on XP. > > Seems like it has issues. > > > > So far the only software looper for Mac that I > feel is > > worth installing is Augustusloop. > > Agreed! I too find that plug-in awesome! I've been > using it for two > years now and seen it improve with each upgrade > based on our, the > users, modest wishes. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 00:16:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C76B43BEDB; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 00:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RBBQdRLBKXm2IOsrqT0yxBDrcdktt7GyYinCmOeK6ADJnFRnXQoE0yfD+lk1iFCe2Z9EPKfSbuU0LHBADuvymGurX5azQGpMg+ujPRfGQm2Ow+Ube4ZkrluNxVGTHrcCWsDOQYV/bqM4bMCkpAFvzyclo8PbrCNU8EPX9pqxKQM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070103234911.95027.qmail@web27711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20070103234911.95027.qmail@web27711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E19BE07-E840-40EC-8B36-E13FD78E9B81@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 01:16:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 00:16:24 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2007, at 00.49, Tony Douglas wrote: > Augustus Loop is indeed superb, but I find myself > having a growing soft spot for SooperLooper - I'm > still fiddling around trying to decide whether > SooperLooper with multiple loops open, or Rax (another > piece of excellent and very cheap software) with > multiple Augustus Loop instances open is the way to > go. One advantage to multiple SooperLooper loops is > that if you open up 4 loops, position the window in > the top left corner then switch to 800x600 resolution, > you get a huge display of what's going on - no risk of > missing anything there ! (Resize the window a little > and switch off the Dock for full effect...) > > - Tony Yes, you're right about the visual monitoring problem with Augustus Loop. The plug-in window is so big. Last year I was thinking about fixing a "shell" in Max for displaying Augustus parameter status. I never went that far though because I was lucky to afford a pc to run Mobius instead. Now I use the Mac as the sound module and loop on a pc. Regarding SooperLooper vs Augustus I think this discussion is moot because they are very different. SooperLooper is more of a looper while Augustus is more of a dub machine on acid. I would try to use both on a Mac. Make some crazy sounds in August and assemble "the music" in SL. The nice part of Augustus is that you can pitch transpose a loop while it is recording overdubs. You don't need to do much of that before your brain is starting to overheat, but used in small dozes it's quite fun. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 01:08:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 972BF3BED6; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 01:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Loops in New Jersey? Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:08:31 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01c72f9c$d9ea8ee0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 01:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Where might I find looping performances or enthusiasts in northern New Jersey? (near Morristown would be ideal) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 02:24:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 388F43BED3; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 02:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014d01c72fa7$772229c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: ModFX on ebay Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 18:24:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=1.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 02:24:27 +0000 (UTC) These things are really amazing, and really stunning that noone went for them in the first place and jaw dropping that they cleared them out so cheaply. I think I have all of them, they are bitchen except the Phaser which never worked for me. I took so long to unpack that one (they were $40 fer chrissake) that it was out of warranty when I discovered it was defective, lol The one noone talks much about that I adore is the tremelo unit, the Ampliton. I've never seen any tremelo do what it does. You can set a square wave tremelo to run through another one and then vary the rates which are mathematically linked to each other 4,2,1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32. You can switch these rates out in real time and they stay synced. You can do some trippy real time rhythmic stuff with it and then have the second tremelo square waving the results............................very f*ckin' hip!!!! Then there's the Bitr-man..................................wow, what a wonderful gnarl machine that is. A Bitr-man (or god forbid, two) in the hands of Michael Klobuchar and nonone even knows what will happen to western civilization next. Pure chaos or the second coming..................it's any bodies guess. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 09:57:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D86F3BEC7; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 9:57:09 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: donh@mindspring.com, "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 82.195.186.220 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070104095716.8DDB45794E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Speaking as a designer of SS audio circuits with > 15 years experiance behind me, we can satisfy the tube purists (both audiophile and guitar player) without too much trouble... ...but only until the blindfolds come off. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: donh@mindspring.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: 02/01/07 19:37 > > Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... > > > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we > >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS amp that > >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 11:32:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5014D3BEB3; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:34:23 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow This Morning and Galactic Travels Tonight To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <459CE63F.90303@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:32:52 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on EM pioneer Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Irrlicht" on Revisited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jan The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Trans Harmonic Nights" by Peter Baumann on Virgin Records and released in 1979. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:20:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCDF73BECF; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <29048114.1167920407168.JavaMail.root@web37> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 6:20:07 -0800 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 Amps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:20:08 +0000 (UTC) I took your advice and researched the recommended amps. I also had the Vox ADT60-something (had a tube and DSP) in my radar screen. I ended up ordering a Fender FM 100w DSP212 version. I just happen to like twin speakers. I figured I mostly used the Fender Twin reverb model in the Cyber Twin so maybe this will be a stopgap measure. I was really tempted by the Roland and the Vox though. The Roland because it implies a JC-120-ish sound. The Vox because of its rich tone (I had several other Vox valvetronix amps & the Tonelab before). At the prices they're going for, maybe I'll eventually buy one of each for different timbres. Regards, Paul ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > What style? I'd consider the Fender FM65 DSP and Roland Cube 60 first. The > Spider seemed to have more features appealing to hard rockers. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Richards" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:43 PM > Subject: OT: Line 6 Amps > > > > Since a lot of the pre-amp thread was about digital vs tube amps, what are > > folks opinions of Line 6 amp products? I was toying with picking up a > > Spider III 2x10 amp due to an issue that caused me to lose my Fender Cyber > > Twin amp (and lack of cash). Are these amps reasoble amps for home > > recording use? > > > > -- > > Paul > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:41:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45F203BEDC; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070104095716.8DDB45794E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:41:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:41:55 +0000 (UTC) That's great to hear, and I imagine it will only get better in the future too. Next thing you know, we'll be doing blind tests with the tube purists, but spraying "old amp" spray on new SS DSP amps to fool their noses too. And then, just like we make designer jeans that are already pre-ripped, faded, and fringed, we'll create new SS DSP amps with dings in them, old smoke smell, and a couple of fake tubes in the back that light up like christmas trees....oh, and we'll put led in the bottom of the amp so it weighs as much as a tube amp too, so they can continue to break their backs and rupture their disks if they want to. Some day, the dinosaurs will go instinct...maybe not in the next few decades, but very soon relatively speaking in the timeline of technology and human development. I see tube amps in museums, with model Ts, computers the size of rooms, and two-headed cows. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluke" To: ; <"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@arsenic.violacea.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. > Speaking as a designer of SS audio circuits with > 15 years experiance > behind me, we can satisfy the tube purists (both audiophile and guitar > player) without too much trouble... > ...but only until the blindfolds come off. > > Nik > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: donh@mindspring.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. > Date: 02/01/07 19:37 > >> >> Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... >> >> > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >> >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS > amp that >> >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. >> > >> >> > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:44:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152863BEE7; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f601c7300e$c3c0db20$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <29048114.1167920407168.JavaMail.root@web37> Subject: Re: Line 6 Amps Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:43:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Cool...the DSP212 is very popular too...it will be very loud and full. I think you'll be able to get a similar sound as a JC-120. There is a jazz clean DSP amp setting on the amp, plus the standard clean channel. You can add a touch of the built in chorus to each. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:20 AM Subject: Re: Line 6 Amps >I took your advice and researched the recommended amps. I also had the Vox >ADT60-something (had a tube and DSP) in my radar screen. I ended up >ordering a Fender FM 100w DSP212 version. I just happen to like twin >speakers. I figured I mostly used the Fender Twin reverb model in the Cyber >Twin so maybe this will be a stopgap measure. > > I was really tempted by the Roland and the Vox though. The Roland because > it implies a JC-120-ish sound. The Vox because of its rich tone (I had > several other Vox valvetronix amps & the Tonelab before). At the prices > they're going for, maybe I'll eventually buy one of each for different > timbres. > > Regards, Paul > > ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> What style? I'd consider the Fender FM65 DSP and Roland Cube 60 first. >> The >> Spider seemed to have more features appealing to hard rockers. >> >> K- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Richards" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:43 PM >> Subject: OT: Line 6 Amps >> >> >> > Since a lot of the pre-amp thread was about digital vs tube amps, what >> > are >> > folks opinions of Line 6 amp products? I was toying with picking up a >> > Spider III 2x10 amp due to an issue that caused me to lose my Fender >> > Cyber >> > Twin amp (and lack of cash). Are these amps reasoble amps for home >> > recording use? >> > >> > -- >> > Paul >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:52:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB563BEE4; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <459D1498.6000401@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 15:52:08 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ModFX on ebay References: <014d01c72fa7$772229c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <014d01c72fa7$772229c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:52:10 +0000 (UTC) YES!!! - I own two amplitons, two bitr'men' - and philtre, metavox, phaze and phlngr. I love the ampliton most and feed its input with the bitrman, which is a real freaky bastard ;-)) I bought two amplitons and 2x bitrman to have a backup if one would fail in the future, this would be a real loss... Think I will never need a real synthesizer - my CP33 piano sounds like a synthesiser with these two - and in combination with metavox and philtre there's nothing it can't do ... ...well, maybe synchronisation via midi would be nice and a functioning digital interface (it's a pity it doesn't work the way it was meant) - so I have to use the analog i/o - but still love them! Rick, do you know a workaround for the digital "crackling" when putting two or three in digital a row? I bought two rackmount kits for three modfx units each, but at the moment I can only use two per kit, as three only fit in when putting digitally together. Loved to hear from someone who adores these little boxes like I do :-))) Dirk RICK WALKER schrieb: > These things are really amazing, and really stunning that noone went > for them in the first place > and jaw dropping that they cleared them out so cheaply. > > I think I have all of them, they are bitchen except the > Phaser which never worked for me. I took so long to unpack that one > (they were $40 fer chrissake) that it was out of warranty when I > discovered it was defective, lol > > The one noone talks much about that I adore is the tremelo unit, the > Ampliton. > I've never seen any tremelo do what it does. > > You can set a square wave tremelo to run through another one and then > vary > the rates which are mathematically linked to each other 4,2,1, 1/2, > 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32. > You can switch these rates out in real time and they stay synced. > > You can do some trippy real time rhythmic stuff with it and then have > the second tremelo > square waving the results............................very f*ckin' hip!!!! > > Then there's the Bitr-man..................................wow, what > a wonderful gnarl machine that is. > > A Bitr-man (or god forbid, two) in the hands of Michael Klobuchar and > nonone even knows what will > happen to western civilization next. > > Pure chaos or the second coming..................it's any bodies guess. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:52:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2413BEFB; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=hjh1rF5VKGleve7Py65eRhYiycMfOSqZgqYJX0U505+E70JOK4emSKud2EpTWTbCsWneB03W5YWncH1Puh8LLXKUXWKC+QWMQ/UTXVHdbvuMhSHvvApKWODmdje3eib42eB2fmI0Q/F5dGAx/RwKRgaPoAn+brJ2CaN6UCNbUVU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:52:19 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6c521692fe2d6d94 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:52:22 +0000 (UTC) > Yes, you're right about the visual monitoring problem with Augustus > Loop. The plug-in window is so big. Last year I was thinking about > fixing a "shell" in Max for displaying Augustus parameter status. You may have noticed that my other plug-ins have resizeable GUIs. This is something I'm considering for Augustus, along with a loop waveform display. Is this something I should consider high priority? Another possibility is to be able to toggle the GUI between 'full' and 'reduced' modes. Would that be useful? If so, which parameters should be included in the 'reduced' mode? cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:55:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F8A23BF02; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:55:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <459D1557.8000205@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:55:19 -0600 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ModFX on ebay References: <014d01c72fa7$772229c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <014d01c72fa7$772229c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0701-0, 01/03/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:55:35 +0000 (UTC) I have the FAZE unit, but somehow lost the power supply in a recent move, and it won't run on batteries. Sniff, sniff! I say we petition Alesis to re-release the units! --Josh RICK WALKER wrote: > These things are really amazing, and really stunning that noone went > for them in the first place > and jaw dropping that they cleared them out so cheaply. > > I think I have all of them, they are bitchen except the > Phaser which never worked for me. I took so long to unpack that one > (they were $40 fer chrissake) that it was out of warranty when I > discovered it was defective, lol > > The one noone talks much about that I adore is the tremelo unit, the > Ampliton. > I've never seen any tremelo do what it does. > > You can set a square wave tremelo to run through another one and then > vary > the rates which are mathematically linked to each other 4,2,1, 1/2, > 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32. > You can switch these rates out in real time and they stay synced. > > You can do some trippy real time rhythmic stuff with it and then have > the second tremelo > square waving the results............................very f*ckin' hip!!!! > > Then there's the Bitr-man..................................wow, what > a wonderful gnarl machine that is. > > A Bitr-man (or god forbid, two) in the hands of Michael Klobuchar and > nonone even knows what will > happen to western civilization next. > > Pure chaos or the second coming..................it's any bodies guess. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 14:59:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49D43BF08; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RWYQaG/J4oWGJro87ZR4LBS1U0i6yIF/fXlC9+OzlwlWoe0pgWrCQC3vneu215P5ApiEK+u+6LI9/EHSmZPTkP2FF9HUu7MYtfKPC0teQbheAx6yiAAZ0vE3bjePD62vgnNitwtVCuZJoTnK5xQdFKEhgkUNa4bTc6IHurciBUA= In-Reply-To: <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20070104095716.8DDB45794E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32749C5F-7818-474D-BB0B-16935F130512@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:59:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8AFfe.A.RaE.5YRnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:59:05 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2007, at 15.41, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I see tube amps in museums, with model Ts, computers the size of =20 > rooms, and two-headed cows. L-O-L! I'm not a vintage purist but to my ears the dinosaurs sound =20 differently compared to SS based gear. At least when talking electric =20= guitar amplification. When recording guitar tones for digital sound =20 designer products pitched at professional DAW based producers I have =20 found that a virtual guitar sample instrument boosted by software amp/=20= cab modeling plug-ins sounds a little better if the original guitar =20 was played through a 3x12AX7A top before digitized. However, as told, =20= myself I prefer my SS Gallien-Kr=FCger, not for the sound but for the =20= accurate timing response. But I have not looked deeply into this, so =20 maybe my tube amp would respond with a better feel if I was using 10" =20= speakers with it? (I doubt that though) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:00:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21BF03BF0C; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 586618618 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:00:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7257B8DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. thread-index: AccwER6vI1zHrbYwSgaG9FtInN+JUw== From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2007 15:00:49.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[1ED6F650:01C73011] Resent-Message-ID: <_AUMwB.A.BkE.iaRnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:00:50 +0000 (UTC) >>And then, just like we make designer jeans that are already = pre-ripped,=20 faded, and fringed, we'll create new SS DSP amps with dings in them, old = smoke smell, and a couple of fake tubes in the back that light up like=20 christmas trees....oh, and we'll put led in the bottom of the amp so it=20 weighs as much as a tube amp too, so they can continue to break their = backs=20 and rupture their disks if they want to.<< I think you mean "lead" (as in Pb) not "led"..... but the point is made. = in fact, fender have been dressing reissue (tube) amps like this for = some time- there's a thing called the pro-junior or mini-champ (or maybe = that's a pen-knife?) with a coffee-ring on it. this, presumably, is more = politically correct than a whisky ring or a cigarette burn. the g-media m-tron mellotron VST plug-in is also equipped with such = markings, almost as if my own m400 was the only one they'd seen. most = 'trons are kept pristine by their proud owners, but mine is, I'm happy = to report, fantastically messed up with stickers & coffee stains. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:07:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81B73BF02; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <021901c73012$00e264d0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070104095716.8DDB45794E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <32749C5F-7818-474D-BB0B-16935F130512@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:07:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Agreed...indeed different. Though I think 20-50 years will engender indifference to these differences. :) There are vintage SS amps, as you suggest below to. I emailed on of my favorite jazz guitarists last week, Lorne Lofsky, to ask him what he was using...and he said he was using one of those old Yamaha SS amps...like the G-50 or G-100. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. On 4 jan 2007, at 15.41, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I see tube amps in museums, with model Ts, computers the size of rooms, > and two-headed cows. L-O-L! I'm not a vintage purist but to my ears the dinosaurs sound differently compared to SS based gear. At least when talking electric guitar amplification. When recording guitar tones for digital sound designer products pitched at professional DAW based producers I have found that a virtual guitar sample instrument boosted by software amp/ cab modeling plug-ins sounds a little better if the original guitar was played through a 3x12AX7A top before digitized. However, as told, myself I prefer my SS Gallien-Krüger, not for the sound but for the accurate timing response. But I have not looked deeply into this, so maybe my tube amp would respond with a better feel if I was using 10" speakers with it? (I doubt that though) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:25:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8848E3BEEA; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jialSV1bdnC+7H8H7RZNNW62ji8XlTcQQ+WDP9h7UgOCXwweYGX0uNwapu7XwaNKDD12+gAQTOPwkEaR0WoIAA66nzDmpCC/Fb6kM3Ldp3xWPO9UO5zYhMNRasLH6/ZW/LcBWL8YCOQuWTD+t6XUWlbV5ZOqe6mvov/7aBuS8xs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <210D9AE2-8592-46DA-A39F-C07687B3E0D4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Augustus Looper GUI (Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:25:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <18LzKC.A.GqF.rxRnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:25:31 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2007, at 15.52, Os wrote: > You may have noticed that my other plug-ins have resizeable GUIs. This > is something I'm considering for Augustus, along with a loop waveform > display. Is this something I should consider high priority? What would be really useful is a GUI that displays all instances if Augustus Loop; waveform plus playback position pointer for each instance. For examples look at SooperLooper (when running it with many loops) or Apple's AU-Looper. > Another possibility is to be able to toggle the GUI between 'full' and > 'reduced' modes. Would that be useful? Yes!!!!!! > If so, which parameters should > be included in the 'reduced' mode? Tap Rec Tap Length Freeze Loop Input Effect Master Feedback Fade Reverse Triplet Beat Divisor As for myself, these are in essence the parameters I use when looping; the parameters I control by external MIDI while playing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:31:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5BCB3BEF0; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <459D1DCD.903@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:31:25 +0100 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ModFX on ebay References: <014d01c72fa7$772229c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <459D1557.8000205@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <459D1557.8000205@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Yes, a re-release with 'small' modifications (like sync via Midi) would be great... or maybe one 19" big box which includes ampliton, bitrman and philtre (with the same user interface for each) with midi. Because of the sync thing.... I'm just thinking about an Electrix Mo-FX - maybe it can do some of the things the ampliton does? I think it's interesting, that their names sound so similar: Alesis MODFX series Electrix Mo-FX hmm.... Dirk Joshua Carroll schrieb: > I have the FAZE unit, but somehow lost the power supply in a recent > move, and it won't run on batteries. Sniff, sniff! > > I say we petition Alesis to re-release the units! > > --Josh > > > > RICK WALKER wrote: >> These things are really amazing, and really stunning that noone went >> for them in the first place >> and jaw dropping that they cleared them out so cheaply. >> >> I think I have all of them, they are bitchen except the >> Phaser which never worked for me. I took so long to unpack that one >> (they were $40 fer chrissake) that it was out of warranty when I >> discovered it was defective, lol >> >> The one noone talks much about that I adore is the tremelo unit, the >> Ampliton. >> I've never seen any tremelo do what it does. >> >> You can set a square wave tremelo to run through another one and then >> vary >> the rates which are mathematically linked to each other 4,2,1, 1/2, >> 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32. >> You can switch these rates out in real time and they stay synced. >> >> You can do some trippy real time rhythmic stuff with it and then have >> the second tremelo >> square waving the results............................very f*ckin' >> hip!!!! >> >> Then there's the Bitr-man..................................wow, >> what a wonderful gnarl machine that is. >> >> A Bitr-man (or god forbid, two) in the hands of Michael Klobuchar and >> nonone even knows what will >> happen to western civilization next. >> >> Pure chaos or the second coming..................it's any bodies guess. >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 380453BEF7; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <459D1FD7.1040507@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:40:07 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. References: <20070104095716.8DDB45794E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Like drum machines replaced drummers...and the Fender Precision replaced acoustic basses (now there's a backbreaker)...and synths replaced nine-foot grands. Replacement will happen to some degree (already has, obviously), but there's an indescribable element to the "real thing" that ensures its continued life. And unlike, say, 2" tape machines that require so much space, maintenance and expensive tape, I don't think the downsides of tube amps are great enough to lead to their general replacement (especially when boutique companies keep popping up, creating new amps and and selling well). When my light, little '66 Princeton gives me precisely the tone/feel that I want - and which many people, it seems, also like - I'd never choose something that's more complicated (and harder to fix) which strives only to fake the real thing. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > That's great to hear, and I imagine it will only get better in the > future too. Next thing you know, we'll be doing blind tests with the > tube purists, but spraying "old amp" spray on new SS DSP amps to fool > their noses too. And then, just like we make designer jeans that are > already pre-ripped, faded, and fringed, we'll create new SS DSP amps > with dings in them, old smoke smell, and a couple of fake tubes in the > back that light up like christmas trees....oh, and we'll put led in > the bottom of the amp so it weighs as much as a tube amp too, so they > can continue to break their backs and rupture their disks if they want > to. > > Some day, the dinosaurs will go instinct...maybe not in the next few > decades, but very soon relatively speaking in the timeline of > technology and human development. I see tube amps in museums, with > model Ts, computers the size of rooms, and two-headed cows. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluke" > To: ; > <"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@arsenic.violacea.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:57 AM > Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. > > >> Speaking as a designer of SS audio circuits with > 15 years experiance >> behind me, we can satisfy the tube purists (both audiophile and guitar >> player) without too much trouble... >> ...but only until the blindfolds come off. >> >> Nik >> >> --------- Original Message -------- >> From: donh@mindspring.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. >> Date: 02/01/07 19:37 >> >>> >>> Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... >>> >>> > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >>> >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS >> amp that >>> >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:48:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 082E03BF0A; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0txsPvlCyvM3xaOS/xZw5sxTihvezelcfA46AWBf5AbHM8KvswRI8UGdC9i80nSBYArZzZt+E+hAst8hUKrYATYLmR5ujGHMXuhloJqmncGdk4gLG/v6+l80vr1Bv3urzXJSgwMVqwsMy2kl1BeYFQSf3jG6f3JVpYVK69VQiw0= ; Message-ID: <20070104154808.69680.qmail@web27711.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hqQPS90VM1llOXJ8YCXQt5uprJY.0jWHHj0AYvoXaFWvZAsRKCWdTbGt_k2FJzzMNw-- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:48:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Augustus Loop's GUI (was Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:48:09 +0000 (UTC) To be honest, I wasn't complaining too hard about the Augustus Loop GUI; there are loads of parameters to control, and the GUI is much better than Live's folded view of the parameters. That said, it's also really good to be able to view several instances at once, as you can with SooperLooper. Typical - we want everything, and then some ;) ! --- Os wrote: > You may have noticed that my other plug-ins have resizeable GUIs. > This is something I'm considering for Augustus, along with a loop > waveform display. Is this something I should consider high > priority? > I seem to prefer using my ears to a loop waveform display, even with samplers - I never seem to trim just right until I just ignore the display completely. That said, others may like to have it. > Another possibility is to be able to toggle the GUI between 'full' and > 'reduced' modes. Would that be useful? If so, which parameters > should be included in the 'reduced' mode? > At the moment, you can "skin" AL by replacing the graphics for the controls and backdrop - maybe, taking the skin idea further to allow for custom sets of controls, along with a switch to see the full GUI, would be an option ? That way you could customise the GUI to see the controls that are useful for a particular situation rather than committing to a particular subset. > > cheers, > os. > Cheers ! - Tony Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 15:59:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 104123BF13; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20070104095716.8DDB45794E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-640572759 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:58:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <1UFckD.A.TIH.SRSnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:59:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-640572759 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 4-Jan-07, at 6:41 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I see tube amps in museums, with model Ts, computers the size of > rooms, and two-headed cows. and photos of all the bone headed people who couldn't hear the difference between an Ipod/mp3 recording of a train and the one coming at them! :) Sorry. Just jazzing you! I've tried and owned lots of amps new and old. There is only ONE that sounds the way I want it to sound. I don't give a shirt if it's old or new, vintage or Wal Mart. I just care about the sound. If someone can find me an amp that costs no more than the one I have that does the job I will most certainly BUY IT! Now, I could get a Victoria amp - and I hear they're nice. But they cost a LOT more than my old Panaramic/Magnatone. Why should I buy it? Same with AER amps. For what I would pay for some of the new amps I have been told I would like, I could buy TWO of my fave vintage amps - which I am in the process of doing. Total cost $1,040 USD. Anvil flight cases & spare NOS tubes are extra. I was in another studio recently and they had ALL the groovy old amps. Tried em all. Didn't like 'em for what I WANT. As Ravi Shankar should have once said when he first heard a shrutti box, "Close, but no sitar!!" It took me a long time to step away from the digital marketing modern hype 'technology is always improving' machine and hear for myself. I've tried tons of effects boxes and tube guitar pre's etc. All I can say is there is a sweet spot - and this is certainly a matter of taste - that, once you find it, you say "Eureka!" In my case, it's a 1960 PANaramic amp and Phillips parlor resonator guitar. Old Echoplex and volume pedal. (I might eventually trade my Echoplex for a Fulltone echo.) I have a nice collection of old guitars. I currently use the newest guitar I have because it sounds how I want it to sound. This Christmas I gave my daughter my 1969 Martin D35 that John Fahey said was the best sounding Martin he'd ever played. Why? Well... I love my daughter, but also, as killer as it is, It's not the sound I want. I know what I want and I hear it and I'm satisfied. No more purchases necessary. Why do so many guys who master the hits and have enough money to buy the most advanced Prism etc converters and the latest of anything keep using old technology and so forcefully dis plug ins? Read it in the new Mix Magazine - interviews with mastering wizards. Now, I USE THE WAVES Ultramaximizer because I just can't AFFORD some of that stuff, or the Dunleavy speakers etc. I send music to THEM when it really counts. I KNOW you can get sort of close with the Waves Ultramaximizer, but when your rolling next to the Corvettes, you wanna make sure your Smart Car is as well tuned as can be. Now, interestingly, in the SAME issue of MIX where 4 out of 4 mastering engineers emphatically say they very rarely use plug ins because they don't like them, in the next article MIX reviews all the latest mastering plug ins with glowing reports. What's up with that? I think it's called advertising dollars and knowing what their audience wants to (and can afford to) hear. I use an old Mackie D8B that's completely digital - eq's, compressors and all. It works for me for now. I think a lot of this stuff is financial. I'm looking at a big upgrade to the studio. To SSL or not to SSL? How many more hundreds of thousands of dollars should I spend? I have HUGE DREAD of hype because I've dumped so much money into HYPE holes. Both vintage and the latest technology. It takes a very clear and open mind to sort through all the marketing and dig your way out of the hype holes - and it comes from all directions - vintage, transistor, software etc. The advantage of vintage stuff is it increases in value - at least for now. But my old Jupiter 8 is finally worth what I paid for it. I wouldn't sell it for twice that. I like the sound. So today's Roland could be tomorrows Telefunken! It's all about ears and there are no easy conclusions, with or without them. Oh! Not completely true! If you don't notice the hype holes, just keep walking and you'll fall right on in - no effort or listening required. Vintage or Not. If plug ins work for you, and they sometimes do for me, then Hari Bol! But I think our goal on this list or any information watering hole is to inspire inquiry at the root level - the ears in this case. To find the technology that does what our ears are longing to hear. And the more you use them, the more finely tuned they get. There are no easy across the board answers. Wise the man who doesn't defend himself when not being attacked R > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluke" > To: ; > <"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@arsenic.violacea.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:57 AM > Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. > > >> Speaking as a designer of SS audio circuits with > 15 years experiance >> behind me, we can satisfy the tube purists (both audiophile and guitar >> player) without too much trouble... >> ...but only until the blindfolds come off. >> >> Nik >> >> --------- Original Message -------- >> From: donh@mindspring.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. >> Date: 02/01/07 19:37 >> >>> >>> Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... >>> >>> > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >>> >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a >>> SS >> amp that >>> >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. >>> > >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________________________ >> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 >> > --Apple-Mail-3-640572759 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 4-Jan-07, at 6:41 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I see tube amps in museums, with model Ts, computers the size of rooms, and two-headed cows. and photos of all the bone headed people who couldn't hear the difference between an Ipod/mp3 recording of a train and the one coming at them! :) Sorry. Just jazzing you! I've tried and owned lots of amps new and old. There is only ONE that sounds the way I want it to sound. I don't give a shirt if it's old or new, vintage or Wal Mart. I just care about the sound. If someone can find me an amp that costs no more than the one I have that does the job I will most certainly BUY IT! Now, I could get a Victoria amp - and I hear they're nice. But they cost a LOT more than my old Panaramic/Magnatone. Why should I buy it? Same with AER amps. For what I would pay for some of the new amps I have been told I would like, I could buy TWO of my fave vintage amps - which I am in the process of doing. Total cost $1,040 USD. Anvil flight cases & spare NOS tubes are extra. I was in another studio recently and they had ALL the groovy old amps. Tried em all. Didn't like 'em for what I WANT. As Ravi Shankar should have once said when he first heard a shrutti box, "Close, but no sitar!!" It took me a long time to step away from the digital marketing modern hype 'technology is always improving' machine and hear for myself. I've tried tons of effects boxes and tube guitar pre's etc. All I can say is there is a sweet spot - and this is certainly a matter of taste - that, once you find it, you say "Eureka!" In my case, it's a 1960 PANaramic amp and Phillips parlor resonator guitar. Old Echoplex and volume pedal. (I might eventually trade my Echoplex for a Fulltone echo.) I have a nice collection of old guitars. I currently use the newest guitar I have because it sounds how I want it to sound. This Christmas I gave my daughter my 1969 Martin D35 that John Fahey said was the best sounding Martin he'd ever played. Why? Well... I love my daughter, but also, as killer as it is, It's not the sound I want. I know what I want and I hear it and I'm satisfied. No more purchases necessary. Why do so many guys who master the hits and have enough money to buy the most advanced Prism etc converters and the latest of anything keep using old technology and so forcefully dis plug ins? Read it in the new Mix Magazine - interviews with mastering wizards. Now, I USE THE WAVES Ultramaximizer because I just can't AFFORD some of that stuff, or the Dunleavy speakers etc. I send music to THEM when it really counts. I KNOW you can get sort of close with the Waves Ultramaximizer, but when your rolling next to the Corvettes, you wanna make sure your Smart Car is as well tuned as can be. Now, interestingly, in the SAME issue of MIX where 4 out of 4 mastering engineers emphatically say they very rarely use plug ins because they don't like them, in the next article MIX reviews all the latest mastering plug ins with glowing reports. What's up with that? I think it's called advertising dollars and knowing what their audience wants to (and can afford to) hear. I use an old Mackie D8B that's completely digital - eq's, compressors and all. It works for me for now. I think a lot of this stuff is financial. I'm looking at a big upgrade to the studio. To SSL or not to SSL? How many more hundreds of thousands of dollars should I spend? I have HUGE DREAD of hype because I've dumped so much money into HYPE holes. Both vintage and the latest technology. It takes a very clear and open mind to sort through all the marketing and dig your way out of the hype holes - and it comes from all directions - vintage, transistor, software etc. The advantage of vintage stuff is it increases in value - at least for now. But my old Jupiter 8 is finally worth what I paid for it. I wouldn't sell it for twice that. I like the sound. So today's Roland could be tomorrows Telefunken! It's all about ears and there are no easy conclusions, with or without them. Oh! Not completely true! If you don't notice the hype holes, just keep walking and you'll fall right on in - no effort or listening required. Vintage or Not. If plug ins work for you, and they sometimes do for me, then Hari Bol! But I think our goal on this list or any information watering hole is to inspire inquiry at the root level - the ears in this case. To find the technology that does what our ears are longing to hear. And the more you use them, the more finely tuned they get. There are no easy across the board answers. Wise the man who doesn't defend himself when not being attacked R K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluke" < To: <; <<"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@arsenic.violacea.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Speaking as a designer of SS audio circuits with > 15 years experiance behind me, we can satisfy the tube purists (both audiophile and guitar player) without too much trouble... ...but only until the blindfolds come off. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: donh@mindspring.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com < Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: 02/01/07 19:37 Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS amp that >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 --Apple-Mail-3-640572759-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 16:00:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D4E3BF0B; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <459D1FD7.1040507@mhorse.com> References: <20070104095716.8DDB45794E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> <01d801c7300e$77f85fb0$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <459D1FD7.1040507@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-640654319 Message-Id: <468298cd597650100ad3c733f13a343a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:00:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:00:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-640654319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed There you go! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 4-Jan-07, at 7:40 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Like drum machines replaced drummers...and the Fender Precision > replaced acoustic basses (now there's a backbreaker)...and synths > replaced nine-foot grands. Replacement will happen to some degree > (already has, obviously), but there's an indescribable element to the > "real thing" that ensures its continued life. And unlike, say, 2" tape > machines that require so much space, maintenance and expensive tape, I > don't think the downsides of tube amps are great enough to lead to > their general replacement (especially when boutique companies keep > popping up, creating new amps and and selling well). When my light, > little '66 Princeton gives me precisely the tone/feel that I want - > and which many people, it seems, also like - I'd never choose > something that's more complicated (and harder to fix) which strives > only to fake the real thing. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > >> That's great to hear, and I imagine it will only get better in the >> future too. Next thing you know, we'll be doing blind tests with the >> tube purists, but spraying "old amp" spray on new SS DSP amps to fool >> their noses too. And then, just like we make designer jeans that are >> already pre-ripped, faded, and fringed, we'll create new SS DSP amps >> with dings in them, old smoke smell, and a couple of fake tubes in >> the back that light up like christmas trees....oh, and we'll put led >> in the bottom of the amp so it weighs as much as a tube amp too, so >> they can continue to break their backs and rupture their disks if >> they want to. >> >> Some day, the dinosaurs will go instinct...maybe not in the next few >> decades, but very soon relatively speaking in the timeline of >> technology and human development. I see tube amps in museums, with >> model Ts, computers the size of rooms, and two-headed cows. >> >> K- >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluke" >> To: ; >> <"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@arsenic.violacea.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:57 AM >> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. >> >> >>> Speaking as a designer of SS audio circuits with > 15 years >>> experiance >>> behind me, we can satisfy the tube purists (both audiophile and >>> guitar >>> player) without too much trouble... >>> ...but only until the blindfolds come off. >>> >>> Nik >>> >>> --------- Original Message -------- >>> From: donh@mindspring.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. >>> Date: 02/01/07 19:37 >>> >>>> >>>> Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... >>>> >>>> > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >>>> >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing >>>> a SS >>> amp that >>>> >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. >>>> > > --Apple-Mail-4-640654319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII There you go! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 4-Jan-07, at 7:40 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: Like drum machines replaced drummers...and the Fender Precision replaced acoustic basses (now there's a backbreaker)...and synths replaced nine-foot grands. Replacement will happen to some degree (already has, obviously), but there's an indescribable element to the "real thing" that ensures its continued life. And unlike, say, 2" tape machines that require so much space, maintenance and expensive tape, I don't think the downsides of tube amps are great enough to lead to their general replacement (especially when boutique companies keep popping up, creating new amps and and selling well). When my light, little '66 Princeton gives me precisely the tone/feel that I want - and which many people, it seems, also like - I'd never choose something that's more complicated (and harder to fix) which strives only to fake the real thing. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com That's great to hear, and I imagine it will only get better in the future too. Next thing you know, we'll be doing blind tests with the tube purists, but spraying "old amp" spray on new SS DSP amps to fool their noses too. And then, just like we make designer jeans that are already pre-ripped, faded, and fringed, we'll create new SS DSP amps with dings in them, old smoke smell, and a couple of fake tubes in the back that light up like christmas trees....oh, and we'll put led in the bottom of the amp so it weighs as much as a tube amp too, so they can continue to break their backs and rupture their disks if they want to. Some day, the dinosaurs will go instinct...maybe not in the next few decades, but very soon relatively speaking in the timeline of technology and human development. I see tube amps in museums, with model Ts, computers the size of rooms, and two-headed cows. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fluke" < To: <; <<"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"@arsenic.violacea.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Speaking as a designer of SS audio circuits with > 15 years experiance behind me, we can satisfy the tube purists (both audiophile and guitar player) without too much trouble... ...but only until the blindfolds come off. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: donh@mindspring.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com < Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. Date: 02/01/07 19:37 Or at least perhaps until the blindfold comes off... > Then the mysterious are resolved, and we >can let the DSP/SS engineers of the future continue developing a SS amp that >will eventually satisfy the tube purist via a blind test. > --Apple-Mail-4-640654319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 16:15:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB2143BF00; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=FtgeSWaFdZlCwcuxGSGyV6Fw9plFPOjAdwcPKzxADi2Io6nSnmpZ2JEzvpcFT2dEKA0fnVYOYaGTseRfGrgs/ibnUhIoW49ypx4OQDuspsixsA8NWCPBkC38CS6uPOiW5cCLMYj+ox7YLqNx6Us3zGEwIkq4S1bnN/Vu7QZiYm0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:15:44 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Augustus Looper GUI (Re: Loopy Llama in Live 5.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3d432a719341f7be Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:15:45 +0000 (UTC) > From: Per Boysen > > What would be really useful is a GUI that displays all instances if > Augustus Loop; waveform plus playback position pointer for each > instance. For examples look at SooperLooper (when running it with > many loops) or Apple's AU-Looper. Interesting... that would completely violate the usual rules of plug-in hosting, but I'm not adverse to that (e.g. Augustus's MIDI output). > > Another possibility is to be able to toggle the GUI between 'full' and > > 'reduced' modes. Would that be useful? > > Yes!!!!!! I'll take that as a yes. ;) > From: Tony Douglas > > To be honest, I wasn't complaining too hard about the > Augustus Loop GUI; there are loads of parameters to > control, and the GUI is much better than Live's folded > view of the parameters. That said, it's also really > good to be able to view several instances at once, as > you can with SooperLooper. Typical - we want > everything, and then some ;) ! OK, that's two votes for... I'll look into it when I get time. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 17:05:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B2DB3BEE9; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Tu9tfgRjGOjkF73C2IAE6NzM+V6MtN4ydGUUw023aBT3Br7CyilvsgIEG1HiToo97VJ67/jPPyLPFbsr3esnR01/v9+AM4ZcvS6zmokj0dgjPvESQUEYTsqh9GBI+6DlGIgYnIUShAZJQp8CF4GKcIM/RofY0O01d2+cggZefek= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:05:19 -0500 From: "Mark Trewella" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP For Sale ($600)!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:05:21 +0000 (UTC) I have a blackface Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale. Its running Loop IV and has full memory. I bought the unit exactly two years ago. Everything is in perfect working condition, the unit has a slight surface scratch on the top (if you rack it you wont even see it). Comes with original manual. $600 + shipping (probably $30) gets it to your door. I am a long time LD member but have been unsubscribed for sometime cause I could not deal with 20 emails a day and important emails where getting lost in the herd! However I still check the archive from time to time to keep up. Payment can be made through paypal or money order. Also, I live in NYC, if you live in NYC as well or can make it to NYC that would be even simpler and would save money on shipping. Anyone interested email me off list. I will give it a few days and see if any you guys want it and if not I guess I will go to ebay. -Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 17:30:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59C1D3BEE9; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iWuLLny3WwuAB6VwJ07MPuL5LaUpmj0tfirUTPk+0ndiiNuZuHxVGstjqTbf31NO0C2FsFENPJQ5wmjr8bJ7tCh/FnMfoI740NtvTwVJHq/Pi2ftT+T6tezlGjn33+xmaaSttC2SM4btr6n5I0sUnRy/3jcCeMmCsexIbc1ereQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 11:30:16 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. In-Reply-To: <00d801c72ede$3cb39d10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10706_3052093.1167931816973" References: <20070102163155.14205.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00d801c72ede$3cb39d10$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:30:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10706_3052093.1167931816973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, Rick, but this isn't quite right. The 6th partial is an octave above the 3rd partial, not another repeat of the octaves of the fundamental. In other words, it is two octaves plus a 5th above the fundamental. The even partials are all octave shifts of odd (or other even) partials. Because of this, if only the even partials are present (with the addition of the single odd-numbered partial in the form of the fundamental), it takes us more space to get to the more dissonant partials. In other words, if the 7th partial is the first that we'd consider a dissonant contributor (debatable), then instead of that partial being two octaves and a minor 7th (roughly) above the fundamental, our evens-only set doesn't contribute it until another octave higher, so it's that much farther away from the fundamental which further softens the potential dissonant impact. The 9th partial (roughly 3 octaves and a major 2nd) doesn't contribute until yet another octave higher. The more octaves that separate a partial from its fundamental, the softer its 'dissonant' contribution. This will hold whether it's a case of "only even numbered partials are present" or "even numbered partials are emphasized." Cheers, Jon Southwood On 1/2/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > Dear Margaret, > > > If we take just the first harmonics in this natural series we > get > > F H1 H2 H3 > H4 H5...........etc. > 1st 2nd 3rd 4th > 5th 6th > Fund Octave Oct+5th next Octave next+3rd > next Octave > > As you can see, the even harmonics are all octaves. > Because of this, they are consonant, harmonically, with the origial > Fundamental frequency and > sound smoother and more 'harmonious' to our ears. > > ------=_Part_10706_3052093.1167931816973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry, Rick, but this isn't quite right. The 6th partial is an octave above the 3rd partial, not another repeat of the octaves of the fundamental. In other words, it is two octaves plus a 5th above the fundamental. The even partials are all octave shifts of odd (or other even) partials.

Because of this, if only the even partials are present (with the addition of the single odd-numbered partial in the form of the fundamental), it takes us more space to get to the more dissonant partials. In other words, if the 7th partial is the first that we'd consider a dissonant contributor (debatable), then instead of that partial being two octaves and a minor 7th (roughly) above the fundamental, our evens-only set doesn't contribute it until another octave higher, so it's that much farther away from the fundamental which further softens the potential dissonant impact. The 9th partial (roughly 3 octaves and a major 2nd) doesn't contribute until yet another octave higher.

The more octaves that separate a partial from its fundamental, the softer its 'dissonant' contribution. This will hold whether it's a case of "only even numbered partials are present" or "even numbered partials are emphasized."

Cheers,

Jon Southwood


On 1/2/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Dear Margaret,


If we take just the first harmonics in this natural series we
get

F             H1                  H2                    H3
H4              H5...........etc.
1st           2nd                3rd                    4th
5th              6th
Fund       Octave        Oct+5th         next Octave        next+3rd
next Octave

As you can see,  the even harmonics are all octaves.
Because of this,  they are consonant, harmonically,  with the origial
Fundamental frequency and
sound smoother and more 'harmonious' to our ears.


------=_Part_10706_3052093.1167931816973-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 18:55:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A3B83BEDB; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:54:34 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Per Boysen , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003701c73031$caecdd40$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <32749C5F-7818-474D-BB0B-16935F130512@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote: > L-O-L! I'm not a vintage purist but to my ears the dinosaurs sound > differently compared to SS based gear. My thoughts on SS vs. tubes will appear soon, if not already, but regarding: > myself I prefer my SS Gallien-Krüger, not for the sound but for the > accurate timing response. But I have not looked deeply into this, so > maybe my tube amp would respond with a better feel if I was using 10" > speakers with it? (I doubt that though) I don't doubt it at all. I would highly reccommend trying different speakers for live work, particularly with those "dinosaur" tube amps. Not only is there the complex mojo of the speaker/transformer interaction, but I find that differences as small as 1 or 2 dB in frequency response will translate to moderately different feels and responses when used in a live setting. Speaker swapping is an expensive habit, but when you can do it, try it. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! 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just a quick note: for xmas i got the video (yes, video!)-adrian belew: electronic guitar...
i know there's been mention of this on the list before....
some really cool stuff he demos (this was made in 1984, released in '85) from his
1st 2 solo albums and a couple of early king crimson things...he also does a brief bit
showing what his e-h 16 sec digital delay can do....i thought it was pretty cool, wish
he would have done more showing the looping stuff, but understand it was demoing his
range of playing and how he used effects...and his 2 racks are full of all the old analog
stuff i used to dream about when i first started playing back in the early 80's....even
though this is 20+ yrs old, still quite interesting and i learned some things....makes me
wish i still had his early albums on tape (lost them in some move!).
oh well....happy looping and new yr to all...
s---

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1865701782-1167945058=:63133-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 21:21:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 101783BEE8; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=IyoBm1zFJWHYMHtQd5dQ4XaSzJ92rrpPW8PMKhUbnmHZsfq7zWwtZBWcLK7X2BAjB7H7w1MtiuUsFFyfojEExUC45d8RIW4SIvLNR9qpuP6HJfmMIgeWBHT7UkaD2SRiYpTKQUIpy1vWdXAtMGTa4cXokzMTkq7yWwzOhwdEAXA=; X-YMail-OSG: I_HuTsMVM1nn_2Dt7bXKIoPhd7jtsCXiQBe4gnxOTkHGxuCDzaZogE02DoUn9mie12UxIXaw2CkyDAuZw2eoRYWtT2KGhCSkCbGYX3sqvaxgEPtSJ_.wFg-- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Tubes in Pre-amps: your expertise and honest opinion. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <468298cd597650100ad3c733f13a343a@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <306032.1800.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Yes!! i remeber those original killer good ol´ american levis jeans i used to buy at the swapmeet!they would look almost black although they were blue and ridiculous big when they were new,but you´d have to wash them about 5 times for them to become soft and shrink to your size! but they were so good they´d last you at least ten years! yes lots of things are prewashed nowdays... Luis Next thing you know, we'll be doing > blind tests with the > >> tube purists, but spraying "old amp" spray on new > SS DSP amps to fool > >> their noses too. And then, just like we make > designer jeans that are > >> already pre-ripped, faded, and fringed, we'll > create new SS DSP amps > >> with dings in them, old smoke smell, and a couple > of fake tubes in > >> the back that light up like christmas > trees.... www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 21:34:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE9B13BEF5; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YWmK9urZlyBU28nLIIdMLqn/J4TKHr79kqxQok6K+9dTOEe0/ml9zhYxOtyPO7FBhHtKAwaCLgijdfpCn0+4UQijN997snk8pjcwRoFLtm/M3DballT4xWqIHo30/WCrL7SQzKKZrnrjcTa9aGGw0rKa1kpCEn0fxs8nnij3hYg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 15:34:19 -0600 From: "Jebus McLoopie" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oberhiem EDP for sale $450USD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Loop III 198 sec. comes with footpedal for details please email me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 21:40:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7BD3BEF0; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YhSrweCspnN4A9VcaZnfSBAPqklBco2yrLUnq7+Cyrfa/x1JnPjaSavAdVdRRULt; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21608812.1167946799571.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:39:59 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: adrian belew : electronic guitar (vhs) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48f6eb30ecce3a1ccb691fbd3f5f95fe52a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:40:00 +0000 (UTC) yes yes-love that there vid! really bare bones tutorial but great to see him up close and personal- about the only guy who could make a jc120 juicy and liquidacious(!). really loved his early explorations of electronic guitar-i learned so much back then! maybe you should:http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Rhino-Twang-Bar-King/dp/B0002Y2GNI/sr=1-6/qid=1167946539/ref=sr_1_6/105-4096698-2617239?ie=UTF8&s=music >just a quick note: for xmas i got the video (yes, video!)-adrian belew: electronic guitar... > i know there's been mention of this on the list before.... > some really cool stuff he demos (this was made in 1984, released in '85) from his > 1st 2 solo albums and a couple of early king crimson things...he also does a brief bit > showing what his e-h 16 sec digital delay can do....i thought it was pretty cool, wish > he would have done more showing the looping stuff, but understand it was demoing his > range of playing and how he used effects...and his 2 racks are full of all the old analog > stuff i used to dream about when i first started playing back in the early 80's....even > though this is 20+ yrs old, still quite interesting and i learned some things....makes me > wish i still had his early albums on tape (lost them in some move!). > oh well....happy looping and new yr to all... > s--- > > __________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 21:46:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15A8B3BEEE; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: Looperchart: update for Boss DD-20 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:46:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c73049$c2244050$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:46:26 +0000 (UTC) For Per Boysen: I have some Boss DD-20 updates for your comparison chart of looping devices. * Overdub: Yes * Undo: No * Multiply: No (if you mean copying a loop) * Presets: 4 (flash RAM) * Max number of loops: 2. Example: if preset 1 and 2 are of the same delay type, you can record 2 loop's with different length * Audio channels, Tracks: 2 * Stereo recording: Yes * Built-in storage option: No Regards, Sjaak From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 4 22:06:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A04E83BEF9; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DYfRib2Q1lAlgvKCrVYifPFnIhuErOC9QXXZ7Xrrsbf6W41nBpFfywNrxwR0HgOECPBBEdvJXE+u4F31y68oZYkjSmhQcnmniRA+edxTeHtm8T9mhV3VXrwjwsAYyuerKi/Hw6GOQQXZd9mvdngd1rnhV3sLm0j9on4zaV/LGZw= In-Reply-To: <000001c73049$c2244050$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> References: <000001c73049$c2244050$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looperchart: update for Boss DD-20 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:06:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:06:49 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jan 2007, at 22.46, Sjaak wrote: > For Per Boysen: I have some Boss DD-20 updates for your comparison > chart of > looping devices. > > * Overdub: Yes > * Undo: No > * Multiply: No (if you mean copying a loop) > * Presets: 4 (flash RAM) > * Max number of loops: 2. Example: if preset 1 and 2 are of the > same delay > type, you can record 2 loop's with different length > * Audio channels, Tracks: 2 > * Stereo recording: Yes > * Built-in storage option: No > > Regards, > Sjaak Thank you, Sjaak! I just updated my chart at http://www.looproom.com/ looperchart.php per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 00:03:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C35283BECF; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022f01c7305c$c8e95d90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: In Praise of Stomp Box Pedals was: ModFx on ebay Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:02:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <6mFcDB.A.oHE.VXZnFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Dirk Wilbert said: "Think I will never need a real synthesizer - my CP33 piano sounds like a synthesiser with these two - and in combination with metavox and philtre there's nothing it can't do ..." I'm glad to hear someone else has this approach. Back in the New Wave days before I could afford a synthesizer I used a really cheap original Casio keyboard through guitar effects pedals. I even put a Fairlight CMI sign on it as a joke. A few weeks ago, I had a scheduled debut for my industrial middleeastern project, nO thiN -g with John Connell and Robin Jacobs (founding ex-member of Switchblade Symphony) and my main synthesizer went down AND my old Akai sampler with all the cool industrial drum sounds went down the night before the gig. I took an old Alesis QSR synth with really normal, boring sounds and ran it through a Boss Distortion pedal.........................it sounded great!!! Lets hear it for cool stomp box pedals. In fact if any one is interested I moderate a stomp box pedals tribe at tribe.net http://STOMPBOXPEDALS.tribe.net Come join me there...............it's a nice resource for finding out what's out there in any given style of pedal. We had a very nice thread on distortion pedals here while back. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 00:34:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319683BEDC; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c73049$c2244050$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> References: <000001c73049$c2244050$020313ac@SOVERGAAUW> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:34:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Nandor Subject: Re: Looperchart: update for Boss DD-20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:34:31 +0000 (UTC) While we're at it, for the BOSS RC-2 (and FWIW, if the answer is "no" for the RC-20, it's also "no" for the RC-2, since they are almost the same machine, and the RC-2 has no features the RC-20 doesn't have): feedback: no multiply: no reverse loop: no presets: yes, I think, if by this you mean, a few of the save positions have existing rhythm loops you can use, or that it has other preset rhythms time stretching: yes, if by this you mean, you can speed up or slow down existing loops, without changing pitch (currently marked as no) While you're at it, you can also update the *RC-20XL* line to have "16 min mono" for built-in storage, 1 for audio channels, and "yes battery or AC" for can run on battery. -- Chris Nandor tunes@pudge.net http://pudge.net/tunes/ Slashdot pudge@slashdot.org http://slashdot.org/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 00:56:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F8B63BEE1; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VnOON8XnHiRDmPTEWOKSqK1BHCItW/e8YWvn53kRm68ddXUHdIsnjfN1nw+GGhmM+4Cs6cNCvWVgm7mnD57TuOMCSHhSaGvJ9bHe3nqwEtRrMCIYu7Sseq2lyQ66aSUfxjH9PuzeTRjfamH7G8A8Huufrlpoq6u2hZSBFfbO1Ig=; X-YMail-OSG: EputADoVM1lK0o0DVrcFdSfYXyY0CNpORbOQLiLtZ4o_bB4uWx8nBs89Cs5yxP6.2w-- Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: In Praise of Stomp Box Pedals was: ModFx on ebay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <022f01c7305c$c8e95d90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <443271.22413.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I joined the group, but there are many stompbox sites where your link took me. Which specific stompbox group do i post to? Thanx. Rig --- RICK WALKER wrote: > Dirk Wilbert said: > "Think I will never need a real synthesizer - my > CP33 piano sounds like a > synthesiser with these two - and in combination with > metavox and philtre > there's nothing it can't do ..." > > I'm glad to hear someone else has this approach. > Back in the New Wave days before I could afford a > synthesizer > I used a really cheap original Casio keyboard > through guitar effects > pedals. > I even put a Fairlight CMI sign on it as a joke. > > A few weeks ago, I had a scheduled debut for my > industrial middleeastern > project, > nO thiN -g with John Connell and Robin Jacobs > (founding ex-member of > Switchblade > Symphony) and my main synthesizer went down AND my > old Akai sampler with > all the cool industrial drum sounds went down the > night before the gig. > > I took an old Alesis QSR synth with really normal, > boring sounds and ran it > through a Boss Distortion > pedal.........................it sounded great!!! > > Lets hear it for cool stomp box pedals. In fact if > any one is interested I > moderate > a stomp box pedals tribe at tribe.net > http://STOMPBOXPEDALS.tribe.net > Come join me there...............it's a nice > resource for finding out what's > out there > in any given style of pedal. We had a very nice > thread on distortion pedals > here while back. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 01:17:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 431623BEEC; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <022f01c7305c$c8e95d90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <022f01c7305c$c8e95d90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-674072471 Message-Id: <648092ffd050f45f3aae12c0a0b998c6@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: In Praise of Stomp Box Pedals was: ModFx on ebay Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:17:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:17:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-674072471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed One of my fave 'wild metal guitar meets Jan Hammer' sounds is my very abused Yamaha FB01 through my Digitech Twin Tube guitar pre amp. It really wails. I think I used a bass patch to do that. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 4-Jan-07, at 4:02 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > Dirk Wilbert said: > "Think I will never need a real synthesizer - my CP33 piano sounds > like a > synthesiser with these two - and in combination with metavox and > philtre > there's nothing it can't do ..." > > I'm glad to hear someone else has this approach. > Back in the New Wave days before I could afford a synthesizer > I used a really cheap original Casio keyboard through guitar effects > pedals. > I even put a Fairlight CMI sign on it as a joke. > > A few weeks ago, I had a scheduled debut for my industrial > middleeastern project, > nO thiN -g with John Connell and Robin Jacobs (founding ex-member of > Switchblade > Symphony) and my main synthesizer went down AND my old Akai sampler > with > all the cool industrial drum sounds went down the night before the gig. > > I took an old Alesis QSR synth with really normal, boring sounds and > ran it > through a Boss Distortion pedal.........................it sounded > great!!! > > Lets hear it for cool stomp box pedals. In fact if any one is > interested I moderate > a stomp box pedals tribe at tribe.net > http://STOMPBOXPEDALS.tribe.net > Come join me there...............it's a nice resource for finding out > what's out there > in any given style of pedal. We had a very nice thread on distortion > pedals here while back. --Apple-Mail-1-674072471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII One of my fave 'wild metal guitar meets Jan Hammer' sounds is my very abused Yamaha FB01 through my Digitech Twin Tube guitar pre amp. It really wails. I think I used a bass patch to do that. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 4-Jan-07, at 4:02 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: Dirk Wilbert said: "Think I will never need a real synthesizer - my CP33 piano sounds like a synthesiser with these two - and in combination with metavox and philtre there's nothing it can't do ..." I'm glad to hear someone else has this approach. Back in the New Wave days before I could afford a synthesizer I used a really cheap original Casio keyboard through guitar effects pedals. I even put a Fairlight CMI sign on it as a joke. A few weeks ago, I had a scheduled debut for my industrial middleeastern project, nO thiN -g with John Connell and Robin Jacobs (founding ex-member of Switchblade Symphony) and my main synthesizer went down AND my old Akai sampler with all the cool industrial drum sounds went down the night before the gig. I took an old Alesis QSR synth with really normal, boring sounds and ran it through a Boss Distortion pedal.........................it sounded great!!! Lets hear it for cool stomp box pedals. In fact if any one is interested I moderate a stomp box pedals tribe at tribe.net http://STOMPBOXPEDALS.tribe.net Come join me there...............it's a nice resource for finding out what's out there in any given style of pedal. We had a very nice thread on distortion pedals here while back. --Apple-Mail-1-674072471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 07:09:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B8FE3BEC1; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.3.195] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070104194700.F402C3BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: '69 martin 69k ! Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:09:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2007 07:09:26.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F5F7E80:01C73098] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:09:30 +0000 (UTC) craigslist sf a 69 martin listed for 69,000 dollars. _________________________________________________________________ Find sales, coupons, and free shipping, all in one place!  MSN Shopping Sales & Deals http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctid=198,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200639 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 09:09:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F54C3BEC5; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:10:02 -0800 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Help needed w/echoplex ARRAY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:09:29 +0000 (UTC) I need to get this setup finished for a client who wants to run 8 echoplexes with 4 stereo sync'd channels basically. I think what is happening is..we're going to need some midi filtering unless there is some way I'm missing to internally filter the start recording messages :-). Because right now, when one starts, they all start or some such thing. I have to get back to it and see where we're going. It's been a few months but I need to find someone before I dig into it again who has experience running both brother sync and midi. Thanks, -Bob Weigel 406-582-5849 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 09:31:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A61F3BED0; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAN6pnUXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACNPgEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20070105091441.01a46098@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:31:23 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Help needed w/echoplex ARRAY In-Reply-To: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> References: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-757D6D78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) At 10:10 05/01/2007, you wrote: >I need to get this setup finished for a client who wants to run 8 >echoplexes with 4 stereo sync'd channels basically. > >I think what is happening is..we're going to need some midi >filtering unless there is some way I'm missing to internally filter >the start recording messages :-). Because right now, when one >starts, they all start or some such thing. I have to get back to it >and see where we're going. It's been a few months but I need to >find someone before I dig into it again who has experience running >both brother sync and midi. >Thanks, -Bob Weigel 406-582-5849 hi Bob, Put each pair on a different Midi Channel. If want to sync all the edps to the same timing then it's going to be a bit tricky to get that to work. The standard Brother-sync-Midi-linked configuration for a pair of edps won't work as a MIDI slave, as the slave of the pair won't sync until the master has finished recording a loop. So the first pair of edps could be the Master, with Brother sync and Sync=Out, the other 3 should have Sync=In Actually, I'd wonder if that many EDPs is actually necessary to achieve the desired musical result :-) ( I do full arrangements with just one pair ) andybutler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 09:38:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC9E13BED3; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> References: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: Help needed w/echoplex ARRAY Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:38:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:38:19 +0000 (UTC) An alternative to brothersyncing has been pioneered by Andre LaFosse using 5 EDPs: http://andrelafosse.livejournal.com/7564.html Bernhard On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:10 :02, Bob Weigel wrote: > I need to get this setup finished for a client who wants to run 8 > echoplexes with 4 stereo sync'd channels basically. > > I think what is happening is..we're going to need some midi > filtering unless there is some way I'm missing to internally filter > the start recording messages :-). Because right now, when one > starts, they all start or some such thing. I have to get back to > it and see where we're going. It's been a few months but I need to > find someone before I dig into it again who has experience running > both brother sync and midi. Thanks, -Bob Weigel 406-582-5849 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 10:06:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF4913BEB5; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJqxnUXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACNPgEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20070105100115.01c8c010@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:06:51 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Help needed w/echoplex ARRAY In-Reply-To: References: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-757D6D78 Resent-Message-ID: <464IZC.A.HVC.8MinFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:06:52 +0000 (UTC) >An alternative to brothersyncing has been pioneered by Andre LaFosse >using 5 EDPs: > >http://andrelafosse.livejournal.com/7564.html > >Bernhard cool Essentially, he uses the edp "Beatsync" function for timing. Then he's able to use his Midi router to connect either of his 2 midi controllers to any combination of edps. (as there's no worry about sending the synchronisation by midi) I hadn't realised that the edp could also send a pulse for beatsyncing, ...anyone got the details for that? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 10:07:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F693BEDB; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070105100704.59168.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jcVYZiLTTlc9w4/3mYbMfutw2QYPN56Js7dYGcu+CiCJ5rZ2Cr8bSgUS2A+dATaWUFdsW1zeI0K2Ky3tKOGd5EnxnNAQl7fu0IUmSmD/71Vz2YdSpbYIMpCCZ3QNi6klIOZsLqqo++4nQDyUB0S9fDIF1JQ0ZzOnLCxRxvPhhGc=; X-YMail-OSG: IjzWxuMVM1kQoPEUXeU4K8fJZDhVooeccHjL3_LlL7Thot7XIhcCrT2R3tA3do8UkwkCeeBCH7Wg_psYQ12wi2LK6o4sYnMzbL.qsjh1KvoqUQ795yagBuk0bdAcRVb9qWd0xT7XnWeD Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:07:04 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: my last music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi and thank you ! Looked at your web too. Impressing. Happy new year ! http://www.runefagereng.com/swell-Rendered%201.mp3--- best regards Rune F. Norway Brittany Frompovich skrev: > > Hey Rune, > > I like it...very moody. Nice job! > > > Brittany Frompovich > www.ladybassmusic.com > myspace.com/ladybassmusic > > > > > >On 24 nov 2006, at 15.31, rune fagereng wrote: > > > >>Please listen to my last music. I play most > >>instruments, but not the drums. > >>Remi fagereng play the drums. > >> > >>http://www.runefagereng.com/remember.mp3 > > > > > >Hi Rune, > > > >That music sounds good! Nice with drums! Thanks for > posting a clip ;-)) > > > >Greetings from Sweden > > > >Per Boysen > >www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >www.looproom.com (international) > >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC.  > Get a free 90-day trial! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Bruker du Yahoo!? Lei av spam? Yahoo! Mail har den beste spambeskyttelsen http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 11:10:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0A013BECA; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qs1FZA/zw2Z9dLjXnchIa+UNXePWcZjwNucKhgAR4Z8/orvT9wZwploGxnngsDrMPJlA3xQYwHE2ujFobDtJl0Dg3yEzeIbvtp2410CkuO5GiBYv9tEzymkk7Gyy8HV6humt5v3wWkF6avNwb/PymxCsmZIzsM7frDk3cEhzU0I= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 06:10:22 -0500 From: "Mark Trewella" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Help needed w/echoplex ARRAY In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20070105100115.01c8c010@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20070105100115.01c8c010@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Who is your client? On 1/5/07, a k butler wrote: > > >An alternative to brothersyncing has been pioneered by Andre LaFosse > >using 5 EDPs: > > > >http://andrelafosse.livejournal.com/7564.html > > > >Bernhard > > cool > > > Essentially, he uses the edp "Beatsync" function for timing. > > Then he's able to use his Midi router to connect either of his 2 midi > controllers to any combination of edps. > (as there's no worry about sending the synchronisation by midi) > > I hadn't realised that the edp could also send a pulse for beatsyncing, > ...anyone got the details for that? > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 12:24:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19EF93BEDC; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=niks9cXhul9PXjbfxHBmQl7Vyekm1ZMDrAqkBkhwWmDgSk2hZaaiERhFxRpGqg4obrOu3hHVjNtLwcA/Baa01ROhU3PzEUdvQBCF4nDkAQ8QMESrmZXNSO+Vs6QtxXYCRtLmEl6fo0P3r3sjKYUwBozSfludYGWBU/mfSCwk23A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20070105100115.01c8c010@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C9B90C7-7688-4C6A-9CC6-F34A952DF5FA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: EDP Beat sync (was: Re: Help needed w/echoplex ARRAY) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:24:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3ih0U.A.KnH.AOknFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:24:33 +0000 (UTC) On 1/5/07, a k butler wrote: >> I hadn't realised that the edp could also send a pulse for =20 >> beatsyncing, >> ...anyone got the details for that? Not more details than that it works fine. I once used it in the =20 studio to sync several EDP takes as a traditional multi tracking =20 recording session. First I recorded the EDP Beat sync pulse output on =20= a separate track. This "beat" track were then used as the sync source =20= (equalling Andr=E9's "beat sync master" EDP in the related NYC gig =20 setup) when I recorded several other tracks with the EDP, one after =20 the other. The rest of this multi tracking EDP session may also be of interest =20 for those who care to do recordings. I did not record the audio =20 output of the EDP - I recorded my audio input (live played =20 instrument) plus the MIDI control data sent to the EDP for looping, =20 cutting, reversing etc while I was playing he instrument and live =20 looping. Then I recreated the improvised EDP performance by feeding =20 the (now beat synced) EDP the recorded live audio and the MIDI =20 control data I had played at the same time during the tracking of the =20= performance. The point in doing this was that I could put different =20 layers and parts of my EDP improvisation as different audio tracks in =20= Logic and mix it all in a more orchestrated way (different filtering =20 and effects on different EDP sections). The alternative would have =20 been to do as Andr=E9 and borrow a rack of EDP's but at the time I =20 didn't know any one at all in this country except for me that had an =20 EDP. Today I do not separate looped layers for different effect treatments =20= because I think it disturbs the process of musical improvisation. =20 Instead I have gotten used to play also the effects, as I play an =20 instrument, and record them as part of different layers in the same =20 loop or parallel loops (stereo looping in Mobius). Eventually I'm going back to a more "composing" method in the future =20 as I'm now moving into using the EWI a lot more. With the EWI I can =20 record its unquantized MIDI output, which gives you the option of =20 finalizing the sound afterwards without harming the musical =20 performance. But that's just recordist geek talk that doesn't rely =20 much to a live situation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 13:05:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7209E3BEDA; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, scott hansen Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:05:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: adrian belew : electronic guitar (vhs) Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <459E4D16.11670.C114A6@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <890949.63133.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:05:37 +0000 (UTC) On 4 Jan 2007 at 13:10, scott hansen wrote: > just a quick note: for xmas i got the video (yes, video!)-adrian > belew: electronic guitar... I have this too - it's a lot of fun to see how he creates all those animal noises ;) > racks are full of all the old analog stuff i used to dream about > when i first started playing back in the early 80's.... Indeed and he's lucky enough to have a roadie to cart them all around with him ;) You ought to check out the 2 David Torn vids of a similar nature http://www.activemusician.com/music--david_torn I think these vids are worth having simply to see/hear these inspirational artists in action, unencumbered by drummers & the like ;) All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 13:25:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6225E3BEDB; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALbgnUXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACNPQEJDio Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20070105131203.01b553b8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:22:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP Beat sync (was: Re: Help needed w/echoplex ARRAY) In-Reply-To: <4C9B90C7-7688-4C6A-9CC6-F34A952DF5FA@gmail.com> References: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20070105100115.01c8c010@tiscali.co.uk> <4C9B90C7-7688-4C6A-9CC6-F34A952DF5FA@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-346A2430 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:25:27 +0000 (UTC) At 12:24 05/01/2007, you wrote: >>>I hadn't realised that the edp could also send a pulse for >>>beatsyncing, >>>...anyone got the details for that? > > >Not more details than that it works fine. So, do you have to set Sync=Out to send the pulse, and Sync=In to receive it? (yep...too lazy to de-rack the edp and find out) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 5 13:30:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81DC23BED3; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=s5IRb5k9uBHjIkFAKw/OwOG3i213VL/KG7Wf0m1n3IaRm6bxRusbfPcI+FN58JfdGOdmEJhs3AukvNkhqm7mWsmEoKAG72EQ2YdViZkWAY7R91W0bHdzEDde6w9fydj9yyP201EdzhWCxLoMMGSHdhSKoWovxuER4tP8eqbrkOs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20070105131203.01b553b8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <459E23FA.2@imt.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20070105100115.01c8c010@tiscali.co.uk>

Correct me if I am wrong
but is the reverse and octave function on the 2880's
when depressed, apply to all 4 tracks?

Is there a way to have 4 tracks, but only put track 2 in reverse or change the octave??

Thanks in advance...

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