From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 00:17:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4388B3BEDE; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <009601c6fd4b$06ec93e0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 01:16:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3sPqUD.A.1oF.8d-RFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) God I wish my SIMMONS SPM 8:2... was less noisy and generally better quality.. It should rock!! 8 channels, each channel has, gain, pan, bass ,sweepable mid, treble 2 FX sends AND an LFO that can be set to pan or sweep the mid. Everything can be saved, and heres the good bit... you can have a X-fade time between patches... so when you hit a new "scene" it can fade/morph to the new settings... quite incredible for an old piece of s*** from the 80's, originally designed to mix a Simmons elecronic kit!!! Now used in my gear as the mixer for my modular stuff... just too hissy for anything else... shame... however my main Behringer mixer is also a pile... and I have a crackly 20 ch Tascam mixer thats looking sad too... *sigh*... should sell the lot really... but who would buy... *cry* ... whats that guy called who creates feedback thru mixers... he must need spares??? m mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2776 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 02:53:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20EB03BECF; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:54:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 02:53:26 +0000 (UTC) In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 is the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by technology. Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. dm www.fixedfocus.org ==================== -----Original Message----- From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Previously: > Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without > comment. ...or replacement. I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for nostalgia than anything... There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a time... Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. What do you think Bill?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 03:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1AE73BEE4; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 03:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L/VWCAv01Bo5RuN45o5wt54UYPm4OJg1tNgN+Vx9Tkv7MzMDha5MA6xet9V7uswlxMixFIfE31RDrT1yxHb59c9l1ZLeVRD/L2xopByRl4yWDmO0NGvMfIOrEc3a/EYSnJ78Y1A3x/ybrhdgzzBxe/TGdtO6949wwrC79LRVFTo= Message-ID: <913728d60610311942w41fa45fyb2d1657b534638f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:42:29 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RiffBox - anyone? In-Reply-To: <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 03:42:30 +0000 (UTC) i've been meaning to--I just keep getting unexpected bills! I hope to get one around new years time though :) Charlie On 10/31/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone picked up a RiffBox yet? Is it as good as it appears from > the web site and users manual? > http://www.backline-eng.com/page3.html > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:23:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCA733BEE2; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061031231422.01aa4d58@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:23:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Way OT, midi guitar pickups In-Reply-To: <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I know that some of you use midi guitar. I've been playing with a magnetic (the yamaha g1d with the g50 converter) and am having a blast with all the sounds that are available. I have a chance to get an rmc midi pickup and install it directly into my taylor and wondered if anyone has experience with both the mag style and the piezo style midi pickups and if one is better (as in the tracking) than the other? The other option I'm considering is to pickup a used electric and do a more permanent type of midi installation in it with the yamaha pickup that I have. Thanks, Been enjoying those festival mp3's!!! Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:23:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9043A3BEF6; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TkppLxURefCCfa6ik/AdBw3tEnri7DHk6SJ52RWIxAv0xNYFQwh6QRiOe3bChlNDBpOgGVjXgFsOSQhhc5+z9gLySaGyGydn93hVyZkmWxUAVAhzIr1WqBEDRzU84PutetIlKW1GVv+EjQnfA22W/6wVszwemRO8W6RR7Oyd600= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:23:23 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:23:26 +0000 (UTC) On 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: > Mech, have I noticed you posting on the Looperlative forum? What do you > think of the LP1? How does it compare to the EDP? I've been looking for a > stereo looper for awhile, rather than another EDP. The LP1 looks nice, and > would cost me about the same as two EDPs. Would be interested to hear your > thoughts. I'm not Mech, but I have an LP1. I also have two EDPs and a Repeater. Lately, the only thing I've been using is the LP1. Once you get a midi controller set up (it's easy to program - the hard part is deciding exactly what you want to do) and get used to thinking in terms of separate tracks instead of just one, it's hard to beat! The one thing the Repeater has that the other two don't is the storage capability, but the latest LP1 software lets you access things from a computer. Not quite as immediate as the memory card in the Repeater, but it sure beats what you can do with the EDP... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10143BEFB; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I5NaH7Qn8p3K6ZCt8PKR+Bx+RO1O+L0ZenSpfuyQTdxysPGVcdPCLJ5wJ3xao8A/DOC7weEjS3FAIc/UCZnZTGz6Ool82GasdzWzMToSMGuNLQg8XnGkI53GA81E3bs4M9nfzPlbynUhxXvh37Qug1TIbtqmiuoGLTL/7EdT0Sg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:34:56 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) On 10/31/06, dm wrote: > In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. :) Around the time I took my current job, I had a chance to work for a local music store. (I'm sure I'd bring home way less cash if I had taken that job!) > Part of my job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass > was on of my favorites. Yeah, mine too - once I got the right strings dialed in, and when I finally gave up on using the E string by itself (that hollowed out body for the computer just ruined the tone) it was a real hoot to play! I especially loved trading off with the drummer - I did the usual slap on the E and A strings assigned to a kick and pop on the D and G assigned to a snare. Hmmm, now that I think of it, some of my midi modules didn't work with it, and I actually had to write a midi filter program that captured the pitch bend message and then rewrote the note on message with the "real" note... > Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. Yeah, I had to peel off the fretboard ;) and resolder a couple of those resistors... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 04:45:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1725B3BEE4; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--634502131 Message-Id: <5CD9B8F4-32FA-4256-A03E-FAA0442673FD@finleysound.com> From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:44:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=66.248.89.85 X-External-IP: 66.248.89.85 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 04:44:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--634502131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Per, Been reading this thread with great interest. I too am considering diving into Max/MSP, but am waiting for some extended free time to explore the demo. If you have the time, please post your comments/ thoughts on your Max/MSP experimenting as things develop. Thanks! Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 30 okt 2006, at 13.53, a k butler wrote: >> Very good indeed in Bidule. >> If you have a tap time looper with midi sync out it's no problem >> to sync to it. >> You could even have a number of different loopers, running at >> different tempi, each with synced fx >> >> Bidule hosts all sorts of vsts, any no. of channels, and lets you >> hook them up any way you like (audio, midi, sync), and you can do >> that while the audio is actually running. >> pc & mac ( AU supported on mac) >> >> not expensive >> >> It has simple midi synced loop components if you needed those too. >> >> ........BUT >> It doesn't have the "support base" here that MAX has :-) > > > I see your point, Andy. But Bidule is so damn easy and fast that it > doesn't need any "support base" to let you create things. I have > been tinkering half day with Bidule and already made a nice VST > host and effect tweaking environment for looping in Mobius. Nice > SIR reverb on both live input and Mobius loop output as well as > different parallel, or daisy-chained, VST effects that are called > up from a MIDI foot pedal. Bidules "Audio Matrix" makes it possible > to route effects and assign MIDI bindings. Not Program Change > though, so I'm setting up this pilot system with cc and using an > expression pedal to sweep though all my custom made multi effect > clusters. > > Since tweaking Bidule is so fast I may have time to make a pilot > rig in MAX as well, so I can evaluate MAX in 30 days before the > demo times out. Both app's are working fine under OS X and XP. I > guess MSP has plain pitch shifting modules? Regarding Bidule under > XP I still miss the nice pitch-shifters that comes for free on a > Mac, but maybe someone can hint me at a plain pitch-shifting VST > plug-in for XP? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > --Apple-Mail-2--634502131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Per,

Been reading this thread = with great interest.=A0 I too am considering diving into Max/MSP, but am = waiting for some extended free time to explore the demo.=A0 If you have = the time, please post your comments/thoughts on your Max/MSP = experimenting as things develop.=A0 Thanks!

Matt

---

King Never

http://www.kingnever.com

=

On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

On 30 okt 2006, at 13.53, a k = butler wrote:
Very = good indeed in Bidule.
If you have a tap time = looper with midi sync out it's no problem to sync to it.
You could even have a number of different loopers, = running at different tempi, each with synced fx

Bidule = hosts all sorts of vsts, any no. of channels, and lets you hook them up = any way you like (audio, midi, sync), and you can do that while the = audio is actually running.
pc & mac = ( AU supported on mac)
not expensive

It has = simple midi synced loop components if you needed those too.

It doesn't have the "support = base" here that MAX has :-)


I see your point, Andy. But = Bidule is so damn easy and fast that it doesn't need any "support base" = to let you create things. I have been tinkering half day with Bidule and = already made a nice VST host and effect tweaking environment for looping = in Mobius. Nice SIR reverb on both live input and Mobius loop output as = well as different parallel, or daisy-chained, VST effects that are = called up from a MIDI foot pedal. Bidules "Audio Matrix" makes it = possible to route effects and assign MIDI bindings.=A0 Not Program Change though, so = I'm setting up this pilot system with cc and using an expression pedal = to sweep though all my custom made multi effect clusters.

Since = tweaking Bidule is so fast I may have time to make a pilot rig in MAX as = well, so I can evaluate MAX in 30 days before the demo times out. Both = app's are working fine under OS X and XP. I guess MSP has plain pitch = shifting modules? Regarding Bidule under XP I still miss the nice = pitch-shifters that comes for free on a Mac, but maybe someone can hint = me at a plain pitch-shifting VST plug-in for XP?


Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)





= --Apple-Mail-2--634502131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 07:21:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E52843BED0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c6fd86$695aa130$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061031231422.01aa4d58@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Way OT, midi guitar pickups Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:21:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Your Yamaha G50 uses technology licensed from Axon, and so has the fastest of any pitch to MIDI tracking, so long as you play fairly cleanly with a pick. The Axon converters: AX100 and the Terratec badged MkII version, have a piezo setting to get the best performasnce from those pickups such as RMC. The G50 does NOT have this piezo setting, and so although you would get fast tracking with the RMC installation, your note accuracy and glitch rejection would actualy get worse. The G50 also has trouble recognising the pick position from piezo pickups. Add this to the fact that, unlike Rolands, Axon technology tracks magnetic pickups VERY NEARLY as well as it tracks piezos. I would suggest you look at chopping in the G50 for a Terratec Axon AX100 MkII before going for a Piezo installation. Nik - ex-Roland user - ex G50 user - current Axon and Godin user. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:23 AM Subject: Way OT, midi guitar pickups > Hi, > > I know that some of you use midi guitar. I've been playing with a magnetic > (the yamaha g1d with the g50 converter) and am having a blast with all the > sounds that are available. I have a chance to get an rmc midi pickup and > install it directly into my taylor and wondered if anyone has experience > with both the mag style and the piezo style midi pickups and if one is > better (as in the tracking) than the other? The other option I'm > considering is to pickup a used electric and do a more permanent type of > midi installation in it with the yamaha pickup that I have. > > Thanks, Been enjoying those festival mp3's!!! > > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > Ontario, Canada > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 09:39:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84C9C3BEB5; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOz4R0XUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACMSAEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061101093933.01be77a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 09:40:16 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RiffBox - anyone? In-Reply-To: <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:39:33 +0000 (UTC) At 23:52 31/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >Has anyone picked up a RiffBox yet? Is it as good as it appears from >the web site and users manual? >http://www.backline-eng.com/page3.html > >Greetings from Sweden wasn't that the "Spinal Tap Looper" that was mentioned a while back? andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 09:47:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D18C3BED9; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=mrhsPu1ClAeqqOquH+wPaxKzw1bHo2L+/97qxTTgiSPnFiHKoH77gErwALJ/NTsrAwwGQNXw4c5h7YaJ6NOXarLpl8HVrxg/SJQeTVZYP4F9SfvuY+gSC96ePs5zbb+PClcv1KaBUO1O02bxtc9vAHC+He2t5FQzWTwOiaXQWWc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:47:46 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5a0867da7afcbf40 Resent-Message-ID: <7r6bHC.A.9cG.E1GSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, this might be of interest to some - new in yesterday's release of Augustus Loop. From the manual: "Essentially this is a workaround for a limitation in Ableton Live, in that Live reports rounded tempo values to hosted plug-ins when externally synced by MIDI clock. For example, if Live receives clocks at a tempo of 114.6bpm, it will tell its hosted plug-ins that the tempo is 115bpm. Why it does this remains something of a mystery. "This is a problem if you are using multiple instances of Augustus Loop in a Live song, with one AL set to generate MIDI clock, Live synced to that clock, and the other ALs set to 'Host Tempo' mode. When you use Tap Record to record your loop in the master AL, the other ALs will be given a slightly wrong tempo by Live and the loops will be out of sync. "Turning on 'rounded tempo' in AL solves this problem by only ever generating MIDI clock at rounded values. The downside is that the loop length will not be quite what you wanted, but it may be good enough, depending largely on your musical style and whether you record the first loop 'silent' simply to set the tempo. "With this mode turned on, when you use Tap Record the loop end will be slightly later than when you tap to close the loop. E.g. if you record a loop that would have a tempo of 122.3bpm, AL actually keeps recording until the loop length matches a tempo of 122bpm." cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 11:28:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44F6E3BECC; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dUyqrCWW0jvkqW1tBNrpJxw+MuyPb6qEMaH2tDz8atLSuvBX0t3geJmbT0x4A4NFmILvL3/Nm2ECp4zmC4NuHvF0e+KeCotwz4YF+lHWdwN5PIsaUriBWC+1QtCYt572Lgap7DSH8uj5coxveCORCpnKldgAXUEpvHs8O0YAp4A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061101093933.01be77a0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061101093933.01be77a0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RiffBox - anyone? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:28:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:28:41 +0000 (UTC) > At 23:52 31/10/2006, you wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Has anyone picked up a RiffBox yet? Is it as good as it appears from >> the web site and users manual? >> http://www.backline-eng.com/page3.html >> >> Greetings from Sweden On 1 nov 2006, at 10.40, a k butler wrote: > wasn't that the "Spinal Tap Looper" that was mentioned a while back? > > andybutler Oh, was it? I must have missed that. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen "Digital is like glass - analog is like... mud?" (Spinal Tap's bass player when I met them at a press conference here in Stockholm) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 11:46:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99A8F3BED0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ml9qvNxYtzEH2eKfGu8VjWp0Wse/a58g2mvJAU4tov4kdkIXTnh5e6IvPzknSqEwPF8MUDuVUVB4LQ/cVSTpQMH9xPAbcWGf8lIbKQRdGzjhus5DXjUa2DTxtbvGC1xy73vrIPIcvcJ+fB4DlIdfPON5XP2pwfH2A43xJYhkjEo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C9EDC49-A4B3-4068-A343-9405840764D8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: new sync feature for Augustus Loop/Live users Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:45:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:46:02 +0000 (UTC) On 1 nov 2006, at 10.47, Os wrote: > Hi, > > this might be of interest to some - new in yesterday's release of > Augustus Loop. From the manual: > > "Essentially this is a workaround for a limitation in Ableton Live, in > that Live reports rounded tempo values to hosted plug-ins when > externally synced by MIDI clock. For example, if Live receives clocks > at a tempo of 114.6bpm, it will tell its hosted plug-ins that the > tempo is 115bpm. Why it does this remains something of a mystery. That's great - for those who don't have an issue with Live's other shortcomings. Over here I have decided not to upgrade to version 6 because the new "rack" function (1) does not support external MIDI pre-set recall and because (2) rack presets do not remember any MIDI cc bindings. I had high hopes for the rack as a way to swap between different setups of multi effect presets during performance (the best way to save up CPU cycles and still the reason I use an external multi effect processor pre looper) but unfortunately this was not considered important from a marketing perspective. I have been using a NFS review version of Live 6 extensively and have hands-on experience with these shortcomings. Oh well... have to turn to Bidule for comfort and to Max for inspiration ;-)) I'm really looking forward to start looping with Augustus Loop as soon as Numerology 2 is released (any week now I think). Numerology is a modern Mac application that takes full advance of OS X (AU, Core MIDI, Core Audio) which in my opinion makes it a better host. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 16:17:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5F33BECF; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:17:24 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) There is a lot of talk about Audiomulch, Energy and Bidule) and now that i'm moving to software looping with Mobius...i'm a little bit confused about the differences between them as VST hosts. For what i've read on this list, Max appears complicated and requiring an amount of time i miss by now. So i'm asking if these software have the same features ? Do they all permits to send midi control for mobius and to control Vst fx (or/and VST synths) before and after mobius with a midi foot controller ? Thanks fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 19:53:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CCF73BEDA; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=o+nPbpviAIli1jMWo09u1fDTbH5i/4IK3EM08l9XBj43Jh5C9OaIDBy2OSBkFVM7jXBI5YlptVtd4EOM/lKsm7vmGP7/etF0fBvF8lc3UvrKGRfBT7UShzu5SE1xmawOgSSne0JrJUDqPyDTbzLVnRidOGRToPGRhND1tDj8LDg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5CD9B8F4-32FA-4256-A03E-FAA0442673FD@finleysound.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> <5CD9B8F4-32FA-4256-A03E-FAA0442673FD@finleysound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D6D7363-9C1E-407B-BB0C-B6B791BC9B7E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:53:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:53:49 +0000 (UTC) On 1 nov 2006, at 05.44, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > Per, > > Been reading this thread with great interest. I too am considering > diving into Max/MSP, but am waiting for some extended free time to > explore the demo. If you have the time, please post your comments/ > thoughts on your Max/MSP experimenting as things develop. Thanks! > > Matt Hi Matt, At the moment I'm concentrating on Bidule. For a n00b that is a faster and easier way to set up a host applications for software looping (Mobius) with software instruments and effects. I don't doubt that Max can do everything Bidule does and even more, but right now I don't need that extra Max power. However, I have been reading the Max and Msp manuals as well as tinkering around with some tutorials and I'm pretty sure I will buy Max for the direct purpose of creating my own playable multi effect plug-ins, as a longtime strategy to replace my tc electronics fireworX rack device with a laptop only solution. But I can't say right now if I will be running these plug-ins in Max, Bidule or Numerology (mac). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 21:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DF4E3BED3; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q+RzTlNG5U+zmHC5bKVilMISQTXVUzKNKbbDNMLwNH51GeRUKE8iPAZP7fZh1Md7K828fAjccS12EvNk+fjQHptxGRO/TfFmu+1Q4+XbT3jYevP2k2UUxDNLnoUuNr+cN0YZ046xe3ZYv1NOH6e5hcaPgt6kumm6mCiiiuDIMB8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:39:16 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: "fabio anile" Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:39:20 +0000 (UTC) I'll give you my (initial) observations. I can't say I've spent adequate time with all these, but I've used EnergyXT and Max a bit, and I've spent a little time with Bidule, Usine and Audiomulch. EnergyXT is the most straightforward and easy to use. It doesn't offer any low level modules for mathematical operations. You can't introduce random midi values (without some sort of VST) for example. It's a great environment for hooking up VSTs modularly, and it's got a good built in sequencer. It's audio engine is not as well coded as the others (though this isn't an issue if you don't use the stand alone version, and run it as a VST). It doesn't offer right and left audio cables like Bidule, and lately I've had some small timing issues using it as a master to sync Stylus RMX. Bidule offers better audio performance, more flexible routing, low level math processing (including randomness), more flexible sync options, but no sequencer. Audiomulch is great for processing audio, but there are no midi "cables" limiting midi processing capabilities. Usine is similar to Bidule, but with a more appealing user interface IMHO. The guy who wrote it plays acoustic bass, and there is just something about it that seems particularly well suited for one guy improvising with a conventional instrument being processed by the computer. There are a lot of tools for generating midi events (or other events) based on incoming audio. It's currently problematic with Mobius. On 11/1/06, fabio anile wrote: > There is a lot of talk about Audiomulch, Energy and Bidule) and now that > i'm moving to software looping with Mobius...i'm a little bit confused > about the differences between them as VST hosts. > For what i've read on this list, Max appears complicated and requiring an > amount of time i miss by now. > > So i'm asking if these software have the same features ? > Do they all permits to send midi control for mobius and to control Vst fx > (or/and VST synths) before and after mobius with a midi foot controller ? > Thanks > > fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:09:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314783BED3; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45491BF8.6050806@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:13:12 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch References: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > > Usine is similar to Bidule, but with a more appealing user interface > IMHO. The guy who wrote it plays acoustic bass, and there is just > something about it that seems particularly well suited for one guy > improvising with a conventional instrument being processed by the > computer. There are a lot of tools for generating midi events (or > other events) based on incoming audio. It's currently problematic with > Mobius. > I am using Usine since beginning of this year and found no problems at all loading Mobius as a Vst. Olivier has done a great work to make these two sw working together. Luca www.unguitar.com www.myspace.com/lucaformentini From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:13:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9EE3BEE0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N40rIplRMpxWvdP7Xki6n8ouuymobtKDNe1rJe6V1qqcUfdnXj8ohOy8kBagFTcea7zpLhgImfvMOFcq+aZ+T71pUYIBKYovL0ExSsyx+dWBgC6GDTQ4qpwDxzooMGCO9JUPVkCeWpyfdkgWP5AFIkXDZ79/t15xxMf/glVbP/U= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:13:16 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <45491BF8.6050806@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> <45491BF8.6050806@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to sync the last time I tried. On 11/1/06, Luca Formentini wrote: > > > Art Simon wrote: > > > > > Usine is similar to Bidule, but with a more appealing user interface > > IMHO. The guy who wrote it plays acoustic bass, and there is just > > something about it that seems particularly well suited for one guy > > improvising with a conventional instrument being processed by the > > computer. There are a lot of tools for generating midi events (or > > other events) based on incoming audio. It's currently problematic with > > Mobius. > > > I am using Usine since beginning of this year and found no problems at > all loading Mobius as a Vst. > Olivier has done a great work to make these two sw working together. > Luca > > www.unguitar.com > www.myspace.com/lucaformentini > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:28:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0150E3BEF0; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:29:01 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch thread-index: Acb+AvA6q+13ZUllRxa5Et3mgsXRZwAAQvAg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:28:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com]=20 > Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to > sync the last time I tried. The 1.30c version of Mobius should sync with Usine. I've been in contact with the Usine developer, I'm not sure if he made any changes for the sync issues, but if there was a new release of Usine in the past month that might fix it too. It is probably best to get the latest versions of both. The last time I checked though there was still an issue with Usine rouding off the length of a "bar" after it had told me the bar had ended. This could result in the Usine bars being slightly longer than the Mobius cycle length, which will cause gradual sync drift. The drift will be corrected, but this correction will happen more often than usual. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:33:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBEA43BEE7; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:33:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+Bc3wDGSSWGn5EduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Btj6D.A.ObF.TDSSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the feedback Doug. Have you experimented with software loopers at all? I'm going to try out SooperLooper on my laptop and see how it performs. I like the idea of software it terms of flexibility and memory expansion, but I always have more faith in hardware from a stability point of view. Greg > On 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: >> Mech, have I noticed you posting on the Looperlative forum? What do you >> think of the LP1? How does it compare to the EDP? I've been looking for a >> stereo looper for awhile, rather than another EDP. The LP1 looks nice, and >> would cost me about the same as two EDPs. Would be interested to hear your >> thoughts. > > I'm not Mech, but I have an LP1. I also have two EDPs and a Repeater. > Lately, the only thing I've been using is the LP1. Once you get a > midi controller set up (it's easy to program - the hard part is > deciding exactly what you want to do) and get used to thinking in > terms of separate tracks instead of just one, it's hard to beat! The > one thing the Repeater has that the other two don't is the storage > capability, but the latest LP1 software lets you access things from a > computer. Not quite as immediate as the memory card in the Repeater, > but it sure beats what you can do with the EDP... > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:36:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6863BEFC; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKevSEXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACMSwEBCQ4q Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061101223244.01bf2d60@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:38:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.co m> References: <588ce11d0611011339p100cd97ak55c394827db9bf17@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) At 21:39 01/11/2006, you wrote: >Bidule offers better audio performance, more flexible routing, low >level math processing (including randomness), more flexible sync >options, but no sequencer. Bidule has a simple step sequencer (doesn't sync though) ...and a MIDI file player ...and a MIDI file recorder ...and some sort of MIDI looper, or at least that's what it's called. Bidule can be run as a Rewire slave with a sequencing program, but I don't know how that works out. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 22:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C10D13BF06; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:38:40 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+BnoyuQL872n5EduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Actually Dan, I overlooked your earlier suggestion of the Yamaha 01x. After looking around at the second-hand prices and reading the manual, I think that might be the type of unit I need. I've got a TC Fireworx, which will interface via the digital send/receive, and I think it may help to sort out some of the MIDI connectivity problems I'm facing as well. Thanks for the suggestion. Greg > > > In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my > job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my > favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 > which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past > snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that > setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. > (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) > > The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 is > the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I > suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by technology. > Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< > reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. > > > dm > > www.fixedfocus.org > ==================== > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall > > > Previously: >> Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without >> comment. ...or replacement. > > I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, > with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. > Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for > nostalgia than anything... > > There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you > could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a > time... > > Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. > What do you think Bill?) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:11:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E8B03BED9; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KpMBXvvTtniFLhjMvVhZHcB0Avnwe0IMqvqhG89hDEt5dXYsRYIRLN8ddLaNvUvCm776YayqE6AUs/NjcRlkf5pM/5SIypYw9V0iIgmm/5/1IqyQDMyDfYwiQBwiJhhEy1xCXo+AjzZG25LO8SHQaeq0bbAJC/ob0Xj6OTCL8mk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:11:38 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:11:40 +0000 (UTC) On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: > Thanks for the feedback Doug. Have you experimented with software loopers at > all? I'm going to try out SooperLooper on my laptop and see how it performs. > I like the idea of software it terms of flexibility and memory expansion, > but I always have more faith in hardware from a stability point of view. I haven't tried any software loopers, unless you consider Live a looper... I use some pretty big sample libraries on my laptop (I have a 300 GB external disk and it's almost full...), so I use hardware boxes for looping and effects. Part of it is the user interface too - I like stepping on buttons and turning knobs more than I like clicking and dragging... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBF373BED5; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:20:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+DFlsmFKqymn/EduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_E9KiD.A.vsH.PvSSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Yeah I use live too, and SL can be run as a plug-in. I know exactly what you mean though, can't stand staring at a screen all the time and a mouse is a pretty bad interface for musical applications. But many people seem to use MIDI foot controllers with software loopers successfully. I'm just wondering about latency issues and stability which I can see being the main problems. Greg > On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: >> Thanks for the feedback Doug. Have you experimented with software loopers at >> all? I'm going to try out SooperLooper on my laptop and see how it performs. >> I like the idea of software it terms of flexibility and memory expansion, >> but I always have more faith in hardware from a stability point of view. > > I haven't tried any software loopers, unless you consider Live a > looper... I use some pretty big sample libraries on my laptop (I have > a 300 GB external disk and it's almost full...), so I use hardware > boxes for looping and effects. Part of it is the user interface too - > I like stepping on buttons and turning knobs more than I like clicking > and dragging... > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA6F3BEF4; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Glad it helped. I've considered going to one of these myself, so if you take the plunge, send us a review. dm www.fixedfocus.org ==================== -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Actually Dan, I overlooked your earlier suggestion of the Yamaha 01x. After looking around at the second-hand prices and reading the manual, I think that might be the type of unit I need. I've got a TC Fireworx, which will interface via the digital send/receive, and I think it may help to sort out some of the MIDI connectivity problems I'm facing as well. Thanks for the suggestion. Greg > > > In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my > job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my > favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 > which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past > snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that > setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. > (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) > > The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 is > the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I > suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by technology. > Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< > reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. > > > dm > > www.fixedfocus.org > ==================== > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall > > > Previously: >> Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without >> comment. ...or replacement. > > I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, > with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. > Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for > nostalgia than anything... > > There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you > could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a > time... > > Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. > What do you think Bill?) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08B0A3BEF9; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:26:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+DSEZX+v5emoAEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Sure, I'll keep you posted Greg > > Glad it helped. I've considered going to one of these myself, so if you > take the plunge, send us a review. > > > dm > > www.fixedfocus.org > ==================== > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:39 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall > > > Actually Dan, I overlooked your earlier suggestion of the Yamaha 01x. After > looking around at the second-hand prices and reading the manual, I think > that might be the type of unit I need. I've got a TC Fireworx, which will > interface via the digital send/receive, and I think it may help to sort out > some of the MIDI connectivity problems I'm facing as well. Thanks for the > suggestion. > > Greg > > > > >> >> >> In the 90's, I was the village MIDIot for a local MI company. Part of my >> job was showing off the equipment and the Peavey MIDI Bass was on of my >> favorites. I used this same configuration with the exception of the 8128 >> which was already out of production. Once the rest of the kids got past >> snickering at the Peavey name, it was fun to see their faces at what that >> setup could do. Gotta be careful with the segmented frets, though. >> (Remember the Guit-Organ? Oy!!!) >> >> The only available rack mount unit I've found that could replace the 8128 > is >> the Switchblade. It is a incredible piece of gear. Still, at $2K, I >> suspect the price is driven more by lack of competition then by > technology. >> Besides the line inputs, I need one good mic preamp and that's the >only< >> reason that I'd hesitate to buy one for a rack. >> >> >> dm >> >> www.fixedfocus.org >> ==================== >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug Wellington [mailto:dougwellington@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:43 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall >> >> >> Previously: >>> Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without >>> comment. ...or replacement. >> >> I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, >> with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. >> Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for >> nostalgia than anything... >> >> There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you >> could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a >> time... >> >> Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. >> What do you think Bill?) >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 1 23:45:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6F183BEE7; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kFLqen+xP9tCHKNGBIIpnR91EJc50ybSI/DhjZCxta2G5sUWAabQehWT6wbsC4bLGMEr9apRkDPJZoQSpBImrjIIPC8kz0q6TqNpiQEiLWi9MMHvUO7fH3+ft8PuZT7Ym7NivQ2Wn8+GZfH1sXwlbcA21OlUcUC6yzDxPAvKkBU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:45:54 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:45:56 +0000 (UTC) On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: > Yeah I use live too, and SL can be run as a plug-in. I know exactly what you > mean though, can't stand staring at a screen all the time and a mouse is a > pretty bad interface for musical applications. But many people seem to use > MIDI foot controllers with software loopers successfully. I'm just wondering > about latency issues and stability which I can see being the main problems. I can't speak to latency (yet), but my laptop seems to be pretty stable. (I have a MacBook with 2 GB RAM, running OS X and Windows XP via Parallels.) At some point, I'll probably try to write some computer scripts to control the Looperlative and then trigger them with my PMC-10 attached to the Macbook... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 00:12:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 495603BEB8; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:12:52 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb+E6MM4fMA3GoGEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Nice setup. I'm still using an old G4 Powerbook so I'm not sure it'll be up to running Live and a looper as well. I'd be interested to hear how you get on with the LP1/laptop combo Greg > On 11/1/06, Greg Mills wrote: >> Yeah I use live too, and SL can be run as a plug-in. I know exactly what you >> mean though, can't stand staring at a screen all the time and a mouse is a >> pretty bad interface for musical applications. But many people seem to use >> MIDI foot controllers with software loopers successfully. I'm just wondering >> about latency issues and stability which I can see being the main problems. > > I can't speak to latency (yet), but my laptop seems to be pretty > stable. (I have a MacBook with 2 GB RAM, running OS X and Windows XP > via Parallels.) At some point, I'll probably try to write some > computer scripts to control the Looperlative and then trigger them > with my PMC-10 attached to the Macbook... > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 00:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44B133BEDC; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qcRLau3kixeqKUjXlO1kMq1Mqas4m1BcZPz+ji54/FQmLz4RR/1s7W3kPoawqoWYf0TvkhJbo+J54tpXTUMq6mIDtkFvpBvd2ZN+TPzNVtD1gpqX7RWOt0XTnaqAT8E6MFk6G6OO2+S504s1T451+uv8V72X+p6EiCjvdtvqie0= ; Message-ID: <20061102002756.71330.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Just to let you know, all those (I don't know about Max) won't let you sync to an outside source clock. This was a big issue for me during my quest, which brought me to Ableton Live. Rumor says the new version has lots of cool routing features. --- fabio anile wrote: > There is a lot of talk about Audiomulch, Energy and > Bidule) and now that > i'm moving to software looping with Mobius...i'm a > little bit confused > about the differences between them as VST hosts. > For what i've read on this list, Max appears > complicated and requiring an > amount of time i miss by now. > > So i'm asking if these software have the same > features ? > Do they all permits to send midi control for mobius > and to control Vst fx > (or/and VST synths) before and after mobius with a > midi foot controller ? > Thanks > > fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business (http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 00:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6A213BECF; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:46:45 +0000 Subject: Tempo control From: Greg Mills To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Tempo control Thread-Index: Acb+GF7QnX3CHGoLEduAHAAKlaVu8g== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3245273206_19045984" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:46:53 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3245273206_19045984 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=B9ve pondered and posted this one in the past but never been able to find a solution. There seem to be a lot of very talented programmer types here so = I thought I=B9d ask the question again. I play with an improvisational group using laptops, guitars and keyboards and we are all starting to use computers for one reason or another. Computers are great, but there=B9s one thing that I think limits things, at least in our group. I don=B9t like the way we all have to be MIDI sync=B9ed together. I=B9d rather we could all use loops or sequencers but still be in control of our own timebase. When synce= d together one of us has to be the clock master and so only he can dictate th= e tempo. As well as this, if I want to start or stop my host sequencer, I can=B9t do this and then rejoin the jam. Here=B9s what I=B9d like to be able to do. I would like to use a midi controller such as the Contour Shuttle Express with some software (maybe a utility such as Plogue Bidule/MAX/Pure Data/etc). I would like to set up the jog wheel so that it will alter the tempo and the shuttle control so that when actuated, it will increase/decrease the tempo by a preset amount (say 5bpm) then return the tempo to its original value when released. I could use the other five buttons for tap tempo, start, stop, etc. Then I could nudge the sequncer forward or backward like a DJ would with decks. Any ideas? Greg --B_3245273206_19045984 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Tempo control IR= 17;ve pondered and posted this one in the past but never been able to find a= solution. There seem to be a lot of very talented programmer types here so = I thought I’d ask the question again. I play with an improvisational g= roup using laptops, guitars and keyboards and we are all starting to use com= puters for one reason or another. Computers are great, but there’s one= thing that I think limits things, at least in our group. I don’t like= the way we all have to be MIDI sync’ed together. I’d rather we = could all use loops or sequencers but still be in control of our own timebas= e. When synced together one of us has to be the clock master and so only he = can dictate the tempo. As well as this, if I want to start or stop my host s= equencer, I can’t do this and then rejoin the jam. Here’s what I= ’d like to be able to do.

I would like to use a midi controller such as the Contour Shuttle Express w= ith some software (maybe a utility such as Plogue Bidule/MAX/Pure Data/etc).= I would like to set up the jog wheel so that it will alter the tempo and th= e shuttle control so that when actuated, it will increase/decrease the tempo= by a preset amount (say 5bpm) then return the tempo to its original value w= hen released. I could use the other five buttons for tap tempo, start, stop,= etc. Then I could nudge the sequncer forward or backward like a DJ would wi= th decks.

Any ideas?

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 01:20:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E043BED3; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XdK08Zy46QrfBLELbCPjD4+bLpjCtoMB+e/AQk5DQ+CvZlnbbk/Ngvpn2mX7Aw1ubnGYW4PIJwC6SWpgfbPk9bv4yshjivxrH2+4p9j3UEgKpzAxJcawvAL9VeVGVYCmZ3+Vyxw367UQ87o3FpJOOWsGdDaDzZHA7EpM4z1PUHc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061102002756.71330.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061102002756.71330.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A1AC28C-438F-4690-9B13-8DA2AF0575AD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 02:20:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:20:36 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 01.27, mark sottilaro wrote: > Just to let you know, all those (I don't know about > Max) won't let you sync to an outside source clock. > This was a big issue for me during my quest, which > brought me to Ableton Live. Rumor says the new > version has lots of cool routing features. Bidule should be able to sync to an outside source clock (although I'm using Mobius first loop as the sync master for Bidule). It has a "MIDI Bidule" object named "MIDI Clock To Sync". Create a MIDI Input object referring to the laptop's physical MIDI Interface Input and cable from there to the "MIDI Clock To Sync" object. Here's the manual's explanation of that object: > It purpose is to transform a MIDI Timing Clock (Clock,Song > Position,Start,Stop and Continue) into Bidule internal sync info. > MIDI Clock synchronisation is an old legacy standard thats hard to > emulate right in the slave software. The results are a combination > of MANY factors including your bidule audio buffer latency, (lower > the better), MIDI driver jitter and time stamp precision, and also > the following settings: > > Forcing the tempo value to be fixed: the sync info will use the > fixed tempo and still use the incoming MIDI Clock for start/stop > and position. > > Specify the time signature you would like to use on bidule's side > (time sig is NOT transmitted over MIDI clock) This information cant > be changed while the Clock is active on the other end. > > Finally, you can tell the algorithm to hard resynch itself at each > 1,2,4 or 8 mesures of the user supplied time signature. or never, > and let drift. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 01:38:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F30A43BEE1; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=a1udrGuu6QKdhjMgnPzFHR3+VOChng4DRTKXgv8Js9fZzCX7kz5hvX2Ah8IfhP6b9/rf8g/VsOuMtDGLKWOuN/CXmLjigdse4kJ7l+1Y85BDdX155tv9MJ+94/UhHTmIo2ORJ5dZI/INYbaWR8hk8kwNs/54wr5XsYC47TfOKy4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0DDFE132-94D8-4012-B71B-ACE5650693DB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Tempo control Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 02:38:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 01:38:54 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 01.46, Greg Mills wrote: > I=92ve pondered and posted this one in the past but never been able =20= > to find a solution. There seem to be a lot of very talented =20 > programmer types here so I thought I=92d ask the question again. I =20 > play with an improvisational group using laptops, guitars and =20 > keyboards and we are all starting to use computers for one reason =20 > or another. Computers are great, but there=92s one thing that I think =20= > limits things, at least in our group. I don=92t like the way we all =20= > have to be MIDI sync=92ed together. I=92d rather we could all use = loops =20 > or sequencers but still be in control of our own timebase. When =20 > synced together one of us has to be the clock master and so only he =20= > can dictate the tempo. As well as this, if I want to start or stop =20 > my host sequencer, I can=92t do this and then rejoin the jam. Here=92s = =20 > what I=92d like to be able to do. > > I would like to use a midi controller such as the Contour Shuttle =20 > Express with some software (maybe a utility such as Plogue Bidule/=20 > MAX/Pure Data/etc). I would like to set up the jog wheel so that it =20= > will alter the tempo and the shuttle control so that when actuated, =20= > it will increase/decrease the tempo by a preset amount (say 5bpm) =20 > then return the tempo to its original value when released. I could =20 > use the other five buttons for tap tempo, start, stop, etc. Then I =20 > could nudge the sequncer forward or backward like a DJ would with =20 > decks. > > Any ideas? > > Greg If you do not MIDI sync the computers everyone can use a local tap =20 tempo function to catch up with the global tempo feel in the group. I =20= like playing group improvisaiton unsynced, but I prefer another =20 method to catch up with the groups temp that I learned on the EDP. If =20= you are using a software looper like Augustus Loop or Mobius you can =20 let the looper dictate the global tempo reference for all your =20 software and what you do then to set a new temp is simply to record a =20= new "first loop". BTW, the best system so far for synchronized group =20 improvisation is the EDP's Brother Sync but I have not heard about =20 any such thing in software. To do the tempo wacking and getting back on track, as described at =20 the end of your post, you need some tool for Tempo Division. In =20 Ableton Live I have used the audio tremolo function of the plug-in =20 Auto Pan (controlled by a MIDI joy-stick) to do that. On the MIDI =20 side I know that these tempo division techniques are one of the major =20= principles in Numerology (OS X). You should also be able to make a =20 tempo division tool in Max. Don't know about Bidule - I'd love a =20 tempo division tool for Bidules internal sync but I have not seen one =20= yet. But then I'm still a Bidule freshman and there might be one. If =20 you're using the non synced group set-up and use the method of =20 recording a new first loop you can just make this new loop in a =20 different length but poly rhythmically musical. Like for example if =20 you're band is playing in 4/4 you make the new first loop one and a =20 half bar long. This will create a new tempo reference for all your =20 local synced stuff that goes in a slower kind of triplet feel. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 03:39:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631923BEC5; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 03:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KyYnb9L1Ckl4mti2BobP64/Z9/hWHEPVK8fMJZZNIU1qK4ANRdGWLtd1tCsunDfb2pRTOYoL7To5smaq0spF7RBV9piH0ZKuXFi/AuJxXW9+XWZ7YOvNFEklYIMR7Yq0gPDMe3goVgHcmIag6EhrSdu+ToPIpwuMXdnWUSMkjGk= Message-ID: <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:39:26 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-6LgnC.A.OxB.xhWSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 03:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Jeff! I downloaded the latest versions of both and will give them a try. On 11/1/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] > > Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to > > sync the last time I tried. > > The 1.30c version of Mobius should sync with Usine. I've been in > contact with the Usine developer, I'm not sure if he made any changes > for the sync issues, but if there was a new release of Usine in the > past month that might fix it too. It is probably best to get the > latest versions of both. > > The last time I checked though there was still an issue with Usine > rouding off the length of a "bar" after it had told me the bar had > ended. This could result in the Usine bars being slightly longer than > the Mobius cycle length, which will cause gradual sync drift. The > drift will be corrected, but this correction will happen more often > than usual. > > Jeff > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 04:31:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD11C3BECC; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 04:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:31:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.co m> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 04:31:43 +0000 (UTC) I can't comment on Usine, haven't tried it. But I was using energyxt for about 6 months and then switched to Bidule that I've been using for nearly a year now. I haven't tapped into the midi possibilities as I'm mostly playing acoustic instruments. In Bidule I have 12 chains of effects that I can select from with a midi foot pedal. Then those chains all go into a mixer bidule and the outputs go into mobius which is also controlled with the next bank on my foot pedal. I found a tutorial explaining how to put this arrangement together and it has worked really well for me. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 10:39 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Jeff! I downloaded the latest versions of both and will give them a >try. > >On 11/1/06, Jeff Larson wrote: >>From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] >> > Cool! I'll have to try the latest version, I couldn't get Mobius to >> > sync the last time I tried. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 11:16:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 620933BEB6; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 06:21:10 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4549D4A6.8010309@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= I have a free double CD to give away to a lucky caller. Tune in to find out what CD and hear it on today's show. Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a the month-long Special Focus on Synergy, a.k.a. Larry Fast. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cords" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Grand Canyon Suite" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1981. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EST / GMT-5. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 12:20:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 501243BEC5; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:19:37 +0200 Message-ID: <3lntZVWr9H1l.zy5zzv06@smtp.tre.biz> X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all your opinions, people. Last night i tested Energy and if found it very simple...But now i want to try Bidule. I'll let you know Thanks fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo www.myspace.co /eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 12:34:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4A9D3BED6; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CgYtZfhE96pQwpjl8S7Bhefb+L4Vd/shFz1vgiDFgHBfEVtch8+Hfi5Uiwwy8oZm4tjrhBvg2MzWqVcy1+BAy7ivR8V7ufLQ5mnw1XJj9Rdei5kqoNAYNwtNeWayByRSFttkZH0m898Oi0uU4Eu74N3kktu62cRelx0SPuCwC44= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:34:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:34:59 +0000 (UTC) On 2 nov 2006, at 05.31, paul wrote: > In Bidule I have 12 chains of effects that I can select from with > a midi foot pedal. Hi Paul, Very interesting. Would you mind explaining a little more how you manage that without overloading the computer's CPU? If you have 12 chains with each of them containing maybe a dozen VST plug-ins I guess you have set up a way to keep the plug-ins in mute mode except for when their parent chain is activated by your food pedal - right? Are you stuffing the VST plug-ins together as a Bidule Group and then muting and unmuting that group? LIke each "effect chain" equalling a Group? It would be interesting to hear from your experience of how much the CPU load goes down when keeping plug-ins loaded but muted. This knowledge is kind of essential for those who still consider eventually going into Bidule. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 2 15:16:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD92B3BEC7; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061102094130.01a5ae10@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 10:16:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Bidule/EnergyTX/Audiomulch In-Reply-To: <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0611011413y2fc6cf93wb4f438626f2f7c48@mail.gmail.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B963@keel.sailpoint.com> <588ce11d0611011939y41505aabh785c2788fc6386fa@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061101232344.01abe2b0@mail.wightman.ca> <2DB53D22-09F6-4B57-95AA-488731652BA7@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7LjQcB.A.beF.OvgSFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, You're exactly right, initially I had way overloaded my cpu and couldn't run anything! The thing to do here is to use a module called audio switcher which is connected to your midi pedal. This enables you to select which chain you want to use. Then in the paramaters you have to select the output processing mode of the audio switcher and link it to the mode of each vst in that chain. Once you've done that when you select a chain of effects the other chains are switched off and on your s