From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 07:05:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12DF43BECC; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c6s/hELRFWASxuhSZn00che51rqvkRFDJdAmJv8MxoO2bwNYOBWEpmthe1jp3ASsFlWe5+bR+bC+eflc9s1OlD97SWR5J9p/JR0r6gHGgLhoLRvnncr8B3p8dLuK4w3sHefqyIhf1G6WJQIIa2LwY+nhKJl0MPJuPWuGP6FT2kM= ; Message-ID: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:05:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060928060615.46037.qmail@web81012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6YXjsB.A.BlG.0i2HFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 07:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Any idea what it is? (in hours:minutes:seconds, or if a tape loop, then how long in feet or meters)... If reality is pre-recorded as Burroughs used to say, then maybe reality is actually a giant tape loop (a mobius strip)... maybe it hasn't completed one cycle yet... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 08:28:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48EE93BEB0; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lI3Ld1QTQUh6J8q4WcAUe8n0lgWmGuv43dLRmmwvM22ofa4oZ7rHqwqQG3DVCG0jlbyw9KJ0ankBV+vPjYaySq/D2SMxjgPnk09iZLVNjd7KInt71YKi2NvAI8C1GMmIzjKMDx7bp8vCh+hawGC0mOU/TLqIMiCKGnnPDe0ioAk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 10:28:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:28:11 +0000 (UTC) On 1 okt 2006, at 09.05, Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > Any idea what it is? (in hours:minutes:seconds, or if a tape loop, > then how long in feet or > meters)... > > If reality is pre-recorded as Burroughs used to say, then maybe > reality is actually a giant tape > loop (a mobius strip)... maybe it hasn't completed one cycle yet... Interesting theory. That would make the buddhists (who strive to get out of the loop) Mobius Script Makers! ;-) Seriously, I heard I heard about a composition being performed on a church organ somewhere in Germany over a several hundred years time span. Excuse my bad memory on this, but maybe someone else knows the church and the composers name? I'm not certain this composition use loops, but probably it does so because looping parts of the score is a usual concept in composition. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 08:36:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64DE73BEB3; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHEaH0WBToorAQECBwQKBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:36:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded In-Reply-To: <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:36:00 +0000 (UTC) >Seriously, I heard I heard about a composition being performed on a >church organ somewhere in Germany over a several hundred years time >span. Excuse my bad memory on this, but maybe someone else knows the >church and the composers name? I'm not certain this composition use >loops, but probably it does so because looping parts of the score is >a usual concept in composition. A John Cage piano piece marked "as slowly as possible". They intend to only build the pipes for each note as needed. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 1 22:07:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 914243BEAF; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fNeGA8GEBtqD+0ni4UjQ2WM194+wrboHEMBFIzFyyxROOSW8lpIBtZGEUwtKUUIMd5iW7qXZNnuZzf4Z7p9/Up1wkDlCoCY1xeZlibE/r5EJu8nQ+Mi8RORkbRpLnZDJaW0rNwZ+Zsgux9ESOjbv7ILxJ3UrYoYoCfMLdgSzA70= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <51E152D5-1964-4BEB-A9A8-D2CE575FC256@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: RP Collier Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:07:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:07:54 +0000 (UTC) As Andy noted, it is John Cage Organ2/ASLSP On Oct 1, 2006, at 1:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > maybe someone else knows the church from www.john-cage.halberstadt.de "The place will be St. Burchardi one of the oldest churches of the =20 city. Built around 1050 by Burchard of Nahburg, this church =20 functioned as Cistercian convent for more than 600 years. In the 30 =20 years lasting war, St. Burchardi was partially destroyed but rebuild =20 in 1711 and secularized by J=E9rome in 1810. For 190 years the church =20= was used as a barn, a hovel, a distillery and a sty." from PlaybillArts "But a group of musicologists decided several years ago to take its =20 title at face value, and initiated a 639-year performance of the work =20= on a church organ in Halberstadt, Germany (the length was chosen to =20 match the age of the organ). The performance began in September 2001 with the inflation of the =20 organ's bellows, followed by 18 months of silence. In February 2003, =20 a chord was heard, and in July 2004 two notes were added. The new =20 chord=97an A, a C, and an F-sharp=97will last until 2012. According to the Times, the performance is being carried out with the =20= help of sandbags placed on the keys." regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 08:13:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD4F3BECC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cgl6ptrujO5qNyyb2qx7rP1S2VA72gunKf0oEN8wQPZK+ifnutctd6r5D/nMskb8FtjnVZgGj9GXaqScj+WmoZ4S0ZZj9hOSmoHDWuqYCGpuoiEGvmK6jyUG7ENoVsMXi0Uz1NBA1dSgl9h9NiByaVtnlw4T2Ri8XWg09qKyLKM= ; Message-ID: <20061002081358.38985.qmail@web55514.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: The Shortest Loop Ever Recorded? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-585957799-1159776838=:38877" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:13:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-585957799-1159776838=:38877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think I might have just heard the shortest. The intro for John McLaughlin's website. http://johnmclaughlin.com Monica --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-585957799-1159776838=:38877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
 
I think I might have just heard the shortest.
The intro for John McLaughlin's website.
Monica

Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-585957799-1159776838=:38877-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 12:49:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD233BEB5; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 481394266 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC96AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:49:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:49:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have one of these: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062545 &cp=2032058.2032230.2032278&pg=3&allCount=69&fbn=Price%2FUnder+%243.99&fbc=1 &fr=StorePrice%2FRSK%2F00000000%2F00000399&parentPage=family (radio shack Catalog #: 275-1566) installed as an additional switch in a behringer box that would otherwise only be two footswitches, which I use with my repeater. there is no mechanical noise from this switch other than one's shoe hitting it, & (so far) no mechanical reliability or damage issues. ym, as usual, mv. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: A quieter, gentler footswitch?...
I have one of these:
 
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?produ= ctId=3D2062545&cp=3D2032058.2032230.2032278&pg=3D3&allCount=3D6= 9&fbn=3DPrice%2FUnder+%243.99&fbc=3D1&fr=3DStorePrice%2FRSK%2F0= 0000000%2F00000399&parentPage=3Dfamily
 
(radio shack  Catalog #: 275-1566)
 
installed as an additional switch in a behringer= box=20 that would otherwise only be two footswitches, which I use with my repeater= .=20 there is no mechanical noise from this switch other than one's shoe hitting= it,=20 & (so far) no mechanical reliability or damage issues.
 
ym, as usual, mv.
 
duncan.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E620.CBEA1D1C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 13:10:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 256653BEC1; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 481405516 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC96AE@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?... Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:10:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:10:36 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>My final question is this: Is there any recommendation for a stand-alone live looping tool (no laptop or software or MIDI required) with a well-functioning foot controller, and no significant noise issues, suitable for looping live miked acoustic instruments? [snip]<< sounds like you are close to your wits' end there. I would begin looking for a decent 2nd hand original jam-man if I were you. nice quiet switches, basic standalone operation...... but are there really no musically-inclined techs in your neighbourhood who could help you re-engineer the EH footswitch controller into near-silence? half the problem is the clunky switches they use, believing that this things are only going to be used by lead-footed guitarists & that only a fuzz-box switch from 1972 is going to be tough enough. about 90% of the remaining problem is the tin box that EH are so sentimentally attached to; is it really cheaper &/or more desirable to bend silk-screened monkey-metal than to cast some chunky aluminium? then why do MXR, line6 et al use the latter? I would that this engineering challenge were a little closer, geographically. ironically, my guitarist would be in the market for trading his lexicon footswitches (& since he is occasionally using two jam-mans, there are potentially four lots of double footswitch to keep track of, in the dark) for something with six noisy clunky fuzzbox switches on it (hell, he doesn't care- he's using three distortion pedals at once into a marshall stack & a fender bassman) that would drive both jam-mans from one small bit of stage real-estate. & the original lexicon jam-man pedals are as quiet as anything. where are you based, brainpan? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: A quieter, gentler footswitch?...

>>My final question is this: Is there any recommend= ation for a stand-alone live looping tool (no
laptop or software or MIDI required) with a well-functio= ning foot controller, and no significant
noise issues, suitable for looping live miked acoustic i= nstruments? [snip]<<

sounds like you are close to your wits' end there. I woul= d begin looking for a decent 2nd hand original jam-man if I were you. nice = quiet switches, basic standalone operation......

but are there really no musically-inclined techs in your = neighbourhood who could help you re-engineer the EH footswitch controller i= nto near-silence?

half the problem is the clunky switches they use, believi= ng that this things are only going to be used by lead-footed guitarists &am= p; that only a fuzz-box switch from 1972 is going to be tough enough.

about 90% of the remaining problem is the tin box that EH= are so sentimentally attached to; is it really cheaper &/or more desir= able to bend silk-screened monkey-metal than to cast some chunky aluminium?= then why do MXR, line6 et al use the latter?

I would that this engineering challenge were a little clo= ser, geographically.
 
ironically, my guitarist would be in the market for trad= ing his lexicon footswitches (& since he is occasionally using two jam-= mans, there are potentially four lots of double footswitch to keep track of= , in the dark) for something with six noisy clunky fuzzbox switches on it (= hell, he doesn't care- he's using three distortion pedals at once into a ma= rshall stack & a fender bassman) that would drive both jam-mans from on= e small bit of stage real-estate.

& the original lexicon jam-man pedals are as quiet as= anything.

where are you based, brainpan?

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6E624.27E836BE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 13:25:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F7803BEDE; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MwxQzwtc1+lHw40yBF0vndAOpcDOV7sK72d+3I9tCkNgfDsRz5ScoG7NR17r7M2lRO6EkLLNbqdQnedLSFJydi80qDns2xQOjlDidPhpjgHkHsS++Q7U4yTezwoUuEX4qPbL+GL25hvVGZ2W/k8bDzPaqg2wapfqDhuNw7s4ZmQ= ; Message-ID: <20061002132459.41315.qmail@web52405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:24:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Joyce Subject: The longest piece of music ... in production To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC) I reckon has to be this 1000-year composition. www.longplayer.org/lp_new_site/what/what.html www.longplayer.org/ Guy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 16:37:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0673BECF; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4V5el9uMH2nY7a/mpbqW9jPCoX0Gx2n5Z6Z6qDq8Bop0Uku7XDP5dCingPF6+zt1u1FW34IrwHZaIPlJBBgP0vAFxwBdVxD++ySB6oegPu/7QzcsmVpNV0fpXyxDYZZqf7hiXiE00W2DIsD8rf9eM4ECLOTXN1qERZ018nSmcvM= ; Message-ID: <20061002163705.11207.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: ot: random effect (broken digitech) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060930214428.0C8513BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to "freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models) unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific.... i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's) s--- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to
"freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or
the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was
kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models)
unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific....
i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think
he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's)
s---

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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1478118262-1159807025=:11147-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 16:37:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 336793BEEC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2voDDkW/n0dc+s9gub6IueZXrQc3ksEac7Tk65bBVInlt1xaf/bAXcj104MT+v+0Qge9A0HzXiQ1Qz9JF9ZJtNTCSnHU5S5Rnooew5K2WDgv7Ki/LPUn/O8gD+IykUDqQPXEUUkaqUVRkWaBw/DVih3ChCCvx2k6M07S5/y7Z+A= ; Message-ID: <20061002163712.45868.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: ot: random effect (broken digitech) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060930214428.0C8513BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <05HcUC.A.P3F.5AUIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:37:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to "freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models) unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific.... i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's) s--- --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to
"freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or
the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was
kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models)
unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific....
i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think
he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's)
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Small Business. --0-1958191220-1159807032=:44962-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 23:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08113BEC2; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: accordian looping Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:49:28 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 2 23:09:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0669C3BED5; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n1BX0iGosY0iILUtfDTQImQ+CvBWKbxn1HqZCnmmCj+ufdgoL3zFJn+4tddRhJD58g78224g6Zgvv//c53Y9gqs2jOicXcVD3SmC26zBekdvs2CluQ6v1AcaP/Ho4MCIhrfqMxNuaX2oqbyrSXnEcDs/pP7reDpwXPDCz4Pq/iY= ; Message-ID: <20061002230927.15643.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:09:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: The Militarization of MySpace (OT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:09:28 +0000 (UTC) http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11&ItemID=11099 cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 05:08:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E9D03BEB5; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1da601c6e6a9$fcd273f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> Subject: Re: accordian looping Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:08:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 05:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Well, in the USA we have a joke phrase, "Play the accordion, go to jail", and a joke: "You are driving home and you come across a dead frog and accordion player in the middle of the road...what can you conclude? The frog must have been on his way to a gig." :) But this video changes everything...sheer madness, I tell you. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: accordian looping > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 11:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDDEA3BEB9; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c6e6e1$c18cd460$24fe9643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <1da601c6e6a9$fcd273f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 04:47:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:46:42 +0000 (UTC) And what do they use as anchors to keep all those lawyers at the bottom on the ocean? . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" Subject: Re: accordian looping > Well, in the USA we have a joke phrase, "Play the accordion, go to jail", > and a joke: "You are driving home and you come across a dead frog and > accordion player in the middle of the road...what can you conclude? The frog > must have been on his way to a gig." :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 14:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874B13BEA7; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:26:21 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-1, 10/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:26:40 +0000 (UTC) I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and accordions are handed out at the gate of hell. And while I do think this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument! Very cool... er, umm... hot! --Josh Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 15:06:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAE9F3BEB3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: accordian looping thread-index: Acbmd44/7rXzcLswRoKcrebSyM8l6wAhaxPA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:06:42 +0000 (UTC) One of my favorite bumper stickers: I play the accordion....and I vote! and one of my favorite bands: http://thosedarnaccordions.com/ Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:16:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46FAC3BEB8; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:16:16 +0000 (UTC) "Accordians don't play Lady of Spain...People do" another great Those darn Accordians bumper sticker. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: accordian looping One of my favorite bumper stickers: I play the accordion....and I vote! and one of my favorite bands: http://thosedarnaccordions.com/ Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BC813BED2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Eu15/i/bmNCjTtvmjKlDNoHehB+fDm42JkiLBIzdA3d8mf9AT7/MTs0kp6HHGFwx; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <6473947.1159893180799.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Accordian Looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9408b7009420730d807008e5052737959ae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Friends, Shameful secrets emergence moment. I too had the accordian curse upon me as a child. My Granny wanted me to be some kind of Irish/Jewish (as though there isn't enough cultural and religious baggage with this combination) Myron Floren/Frankie Yankovic. I wanted to be a Bob Dylan/Angus Young hybrid at that point. But growing up in Polka-Central in Western Pennsylvania left what she presumed was a clear path of keyboard and bellows destiny. The is the instrument of both people's in many ways. This has redeemed the instrument in so many ways. I still occasionally blow the dust off of my Hohner and play. Oddly enough, the only people who give me much guff about it are fellow musicians. Kind of in the same vein as banjo jokes. Squeeze On Brother Boxers! Todd Howell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 16:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5041E3BEDB; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c6e70a$4a84e370$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <1da601c6e6a9$fcd273f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001e01c6e6e1$c18cd460$24fe9643@Biffoz> Subject: Re: accordian looping Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:37:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Now you've done it. http://www.prosoundweb.com/fun/jokes/joke01.shtml Our favorite Gary Larson items (yes, you know) are here: http://www.accordionscanada.com/resourcepage.htm#comic :) > From: "Miko Biffle" > And what do they use as anchors to keep all those lawyers at the bottom on > the ocean? . . . > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > Subject: Re: accordian looping > > >> Well, in the USA we have a joke phrase, "Play the accordion, go to jail", >> and a joke: "You are driving home and you come across a dead frog and >> accordion player in the middle of the road...what can you conclude? The > frog >> must have been on his way to a gig." :) > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 17:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E553BED6; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Craig McCollough Subject: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:09:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Hey All - I downloaded the Live 6.0 demo last night and started playing.... I'm liking it!! The MIDI mapping is *very* intuitive. Anyone else have a chance to start playing with it? Happy Birthday to Rick Walker (loop.pool)!!! Cheers, Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 17:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B96F3BEDB; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=phe5kjKrKEgFG0qNm9TYP+VoSxI3YjdlUyfqtsHOS75A/QaAn6CTbSdfmcamFBpT06jpNLvziwvYkQpSCzHQgBVBREXcMpdBfxRkPYt4u/In5Yn28Br5UiM+kNARONP5YTcBmcc6VmnhHiZB4v7wXlWuFRE62IHaLXZgFmQmpKI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:24:18 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Yeah Live 6 is cool. Two features added that made this an indispensible upgrade (and things that should have been there earlier): dual processor support, and render individual tracks. Haven't had a chance to dig into the midi mapping, but I'm hoping the improved feature set allows for a bit more live looping capability... Happy birthday Rick! Neil On 10/3/06, Craig McCollough wrote: > Hey All - > > I downloaded the Live 6.0 demo last night and started playing.... > I'm liking it!! The MIDI mapping is *very* intuitive. > > Anyone else have a chance to start playing with it? > > Happy Birthday to Rick Walker (loop.pool)!!! > > > Cheers, > Craig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74383BED6; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: feedback 100% Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:12:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20221 Message-Id: <8C8B52EABDC185B-1408-15BF@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.132 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:15:44 +0000 (UTC) my rang is stuck in 100% feedback due to a button going bad.....it never fails to amaze me how tricky it is to loop in this situation.....mush soup is ever near.....i always said that "undo" is for sissies.....perhaps feedback is for sissies also.....there i said it!.....:)m hey rickeeeeeeee, where's the cake?.....i used to love birthdays till they seemed to come around every few months.....ZOOM-MOOZ.....an anti-time drug! ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:24:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EA4E3BED2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c6e719$1da30760$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: Subject: Re: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:24:05 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Did AL6 includes some notebook ala cubase, sonar, etc.? Bad memory here. I usually save my projects into a folder where also include a text file to write down some clues about the work.It would be helpful to have it associated in the program itself. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 803F93BEC1; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,251,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="313377843:sNHT23171456" From: Subject: Re: feedback 100% To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.7.5a-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-ID: <12no4D.A.5KH.G0qIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:33:42 +0000 (UTC) I've been trying to experiment with my Boomerang at various feedback levels other than 100%, and I find THAT to be very difficult! Everything I play keeps fading out! Too funny ;) Tom ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:12:50 -0400 >From: nemoguitt@aol.com >Subject: feedback 100% >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >my rang is stuck in 100% feedback due to a button going bad.....it >never fails to amaze me how tricky it is to loop in this >situation.....mush soup is ever near.....i always said that "undo" is >for sissies.....perhaps feedback is for sissies also.....there i said >it!.....:)m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 18:42:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067EB3BEF3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nWY8fhJwjv0/Lq3UsUkY/ryEq9HaV+nbhF19rJN11LfDcgahhMg4hPPQCIvATia8OkiPx94iOCUSI/x+YYGgv0RumoRKgivp7g7rZS0aJ8ZnVh062kpVpRC0ir5qBizwxQvI661gobwc24HJeyNWZf9qJVPOUHNhrMUgJrpv3j0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:42:41 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! In-Reply-To: <000401c6e719$1da30760$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710" References: <000401c6e719$1da30760$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:42:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/3/06, raul bonell wrote: > > Did AL6 includes some notebook ala cubase, sonar, etc.? Bad memory here. I > usually > save my projects into a folder where also include a text file to write > down > some clues about the work.It would be helpful to have it associated in the > program itself. No but 6 organizes folders automatically (similar to 'Save as Project' in earlier version), but its an automatic, enforced folder hierchcy with all audio and midi saved into convenient subfolders, and each plug in used has an alias to 'save with project' for song specific patches. Still getting to know this, but this may allay some of your need for text files. ------=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 10/3/06, raul bonell <RAULBONELL@telefonica.net> wrote:
Did AL6 includes some notebook ala cubase, sonar, etc.? Bad memory here. I
usually
save my projects into a folder where also include a text file to write down
some clues about the work.It would be helpful to have it associated in the
program itself.
 
No but 6 organizes folders automatically (similar to 'Save as Project' in earlier version), but its an automatic, enforced folder hierchcy with all audio and midi saved into convenient subfolders, and each plug in used has an alias to 'save with project' for song specific patches. Still getting to know this, but this may allay some of your need for text files.

 
------=_Part_2784_12034659.1159900961710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 19:41:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5DE83BEE8; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:41:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcbnDrR4tQ9Yman8Rqy1NoaD0kXGRQAFSwOQ Message-Id: <20061003194142.53621A8C0B@smtp1.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Happy Birthday friend..:-):-) Peace Luigi -----Original Message----- From: Craig McCollough [mailto:craig@craigmccollough.com]=20 Sent: marted=EC 3 ottobre 2006 19.09 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live 6.0 and Happy Birthday Rick! Hey All - I downloaded the Live 6.0 demo last night and started playing.... =20 I'm liking it!! The MIDI mapping is *very* intuitive. Anyone else have a chance to start playing with it? Happy Birthday to Rick Walker (loop.pool)!!! Cheers, Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:44:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B158B3BED2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522D9CA.2050105@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:42 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting References: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <000601c6e2c1$dc373950$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <16clDD.A.dbC.KntIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > It still seems to me that the destructive nature of the feedback is an > implementation artifact rather than a feature. All instruments are made of 100% implementation artifacts... Only marketing persons need features they can sell... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2523BEE8; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522D9DA.30803@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:44:58 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hello world its me, Rithers... References: <6124676D-B75D-45DF-855E-2248FC6DF8B9@rithma.org> In-Reply-To: <6124676D-B75D-45DF-855E-2248FC6DF8B9@rithma.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Reese Ritherspoon wrote: > - can anyone suggest some of their favorite artists that i should check > out? All who play at the Y2K6 Loopfest, very broad variety... > is there a known "best" looper in existance? My homebrewed Max/MSP patch running on a 12" powerbook... > is there a "lamborghini"? The looperlative probably or as oldtimer it seems the repeater... But I don't drive cars, I am a bike addict... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E1E3BEEC; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522D9F5.4010606@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:45:25 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT(?): utility to map Midi Note to PC messages? References: <01ec01c6e3a8$e68032d0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <4B39A0D7-0945-4A88-8630-CBC4D65B3E1C@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > There's GOT to be another way (I like Bernard's suggestion of a Max > patch). But I'll keep this in mind though for a last resort. What about instead of last resort, a future resort? I'll happily patch it together for you, there is no rush now as Midipipe works for you. But Max could do much more, even replace the repeaters in case they fail one day and nobodies selling a used one, it might even combine a vegetarian meal for you and serve the drink after the concert... ;-) You don't need to be able to create all by yourself, but you can design all by yourself... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:46:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EF773BEF3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA22.5000409@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:46:10 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> <155601c6e3db$c1215d10$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <155601c6e3db$c1215d10$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, if Reaktor folks are making an argument that MAX/MSP sounds thin, > they are probably misunderstanding the architecture of the program > and what on can do with it. I would guess that the reaktor folks do really compare and judge, I have a similar experience with Kyma. The Kyma is coming with a bunch of readymade high quality sounds. Elsewise its a different beast than Max, you can create patches and will have the same flexibility as in Max. (Reaktor is much less flexible than Max) On the first sight Max, Kyma and Reaktor sound different. But as you get those readymade sounds you tend to use it like a rack of effects, filled with fashionable sounds. If these fashionable sounds are your only concern, better stick with them, there is no need for you to go the Max route, you're happy already. (Same applies for acoustic and "No-Computer" musicans...) Beginning with a blank page does make it more difficult to achieve an already known sound. You need A LOT of knowledge, which only partially is public, as most creators hide their knowledge to be more competitive. But usually you don't even start to think about completely different ways of creating a sound. You might have a newcomers idea how something should work and get a different sound than you expected, but you like it and keep it and suddenly you're lightyears ahead of any fashion... By the time your explorations will be fashion its old boring stuff for yourself. Max is not made for mainstream taste. As soon as you start, you develop your own tastes. You tweak the sound for your own liking extending the limits of normal effects... It is difficult to achieve the same sound of a filter as some of those pricey hardware emulations you can buy as vst~. Though the knowledge how these are done and tweaked is there, it would not make sense to get into those details. In the end its just different which sais nothing about absolute quality. Most digital filters for example use exactly the same basic structure and its a science of its own to tweak 5 parameters to make it sound like it sounds. Normal users just think "Lowpass", "Highpass", "Bandpass" etc. The tweaking was done by an electrical engineer in the old days, by a DSP programmer today... You just can't learn this within a month... In Max you could arrive at that level, in Reaktor you're bound to the filters which are there. On first sight Reaktor sounds "better", but it restricted to that sound as well. In Max you won't get it out of the box, though somebody out there probably has tweaked it to the same level of quality, but Maxers usually don't consider this too important... If you rely on a certain sound just hooking up Max as vst host is the most simple solution, you can concentrate on the music instead of technical details. There is no need to invent the wheel again... > My guess is that it might be more difficult to build a MAX/MSP > Blackbird equivalent, because MAX/MSP seems to start at a more > fundamental level in terms of the building blocks of patches. I'd be > blown away if a MAX/MSP programmer did this...because right now > Blackbird (thanks to Dave Coffin who shared it with me) is my > favorite patch of all, out of all my VSTs, etc. Is there a Reaktor demo which could load it to have a look? Usually if I hear inspiring sounds and recreate them in Max the end up being very different and much better (thats a matter of taste of course ;-) Synth sounds can be addictive, though for my taste they are much too often a "one trigger and it does it magic" thing which decouples the performer from the sound. The most interesting synth sounds I heard so far where mostly physical models with a lot of control while holding a note... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:46:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 425453BEFA; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA40.80305@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:46:40 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:46:42 +0000 (UTC) markfrancombe.com wrote: > My general impression of both of these packages is that they suck the > living blood outa you, your skin goes grey, you start to smell of dead > cells cigerettes and pizza, your friends talk about you when you are not > there, and you dont talk much to them when they are there... evil... > dark....and grim....and my personal favorites... audio much and > synthedit.... are both just slightly less dangerous than heroin. Just > say NO... > > just mho > > mark francombe > (who uses NO computers in the making of his music... anymore... and is > now rosy cheeked and losing weight!!! Ah that's why I survived with Max, I skipped the pizza, cook with as much love as I improvise music, and don't need to loose weight... And of course if someone would ask me to play blackbird on a guitar I'd be lost as well... (The only standard I can play halfway through is the chromatic fanatasy on the bass... ;-) You probably have to get rid of all other addictions before you start with those geeky tools... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DA643BEE2; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA62.6070303@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:47:14 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0F6D5E@keel.sailpoint.com> <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <2B89FF99-7289-4290-B857-F636A42D49BB@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Yes I understand. My point is that you are ultimately limited by the > Max intrinsic objects. In the case of filters, my "MSP Filters" > menu shows 14 objects: allPass~, biquad~, etc. Mine has 16 objects but not all are filters... ;-) If you know how digital filters work, you probably could do most of these "analog emulatins" Most filter designs rely on a simple biquad formula. The secret is the parameters. Recently there was a flag added to filtergraph~ (an UI object to control a biquad~) called "Imitation Analog Flavor". The object which does the actual filtering is still the same as before, it just gets a different set of parameters to do its magic... And you are not limited to the Max intrinsic objects. Especially for filters there are a lot of 3rd party externals and patches which deliver you filters of all flavours. You can also create brickwall filters with FFT techniques, not available for any analog flavor way of thinking (Its not part of the filter object list). One of my favorites is the "forbidden planet" patch which comes as example with Max > can we say for certain that with these 14 objects we can exactly > emulate the filters on something like an Access Virus? I don't mean > just close, I mean near sample accurate emulation? If you know the exact algorithm you could do it sample accurate. But they won't give you that information and more important there is no point in doing so. As soon you understand enough of the matter to be able to redo it, you certainly would do it much more personal and different. And there is ALWAYS more than 14 objects involved... Thats the diference to Reaktor, there you think in "Filter" and thats it. In Max you embed the filter into a bigger picture to actually control it. And the way you control your sounds are more important to the sound itself than any technology involved. > Is there one and only one possible implementation of hilbert~ ? As its a mathematically defined treatment, the implementation might differ, the result must be the same. > maybe it just takes a lot of work with hilbert~, phaseshift~, and > comb~ to get the same "warmth" as some Reaktor patches. These three I'd never associate with "warmth" ;-) > I don't know, but what I'm wondering is if these fundamental > algorithms color the sound enough so that people can tell the > difference between the "Max sound" and the "Reaktor sound". There is a similar issue with studios, you can hear if a peace is made at IRCAM. I consider this a weakness not a strength. If it sounds like Reaktor, its done with the presets which come with it. If somebode gets into it an tweaks the sounds, it stops sounding like Reaktor, the same applies to Max or Kyma or even Nordlead versus Virus... You'll love it if the presets fit your taste... > Maybe it is simply a matter of Reaktor having a better default object > library that sounds warmer without a lot of tweaking. Thats the main difference. Reaktor is filled with sounds average people don't need to tweak to get the expected (average) sound. Enough, I better watch the sunset on my flight to Oslo... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:47:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 096C93BF10; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:47:29 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7JVns.A.pCD.vptIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? I > used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. I can imagine that this could work on MacIntels in a not so far future. But converting VST to RTAS isn't recompiling, its wrapping. Old Macs don't share the same processor with a PC, but the new ones do... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C64B43BEFF; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DAC4.9020503@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:48:52 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Longest Loop Ever Recorded References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > Any idea what it is? (in hours:minutes:seconds, or if a tape loop, > then how long in feet or meters)... The longest loop for sure will be longer than any physical tape could be in the age of digital storage... But there is a conceptual problem. I you think in terms of the longest loop, when did you hear it? I guess you can only tell if you have heard the complete loop at least two times. Consider you want to break the Guiness book record of the longest loop? How would you do this? You just start recording, and as soon you passed the maximum time ever reached, you start to replay... In that moment you realise the maximum got just bigger and you restart that again (still recording) That would create a pretty short loop of the beginning of the recording, letting the attempt to create the ever biggest loop result in a pretty short loop with feedback... The longest loop sounds just like a short loop with feedback set to 100%... (noodle, noodle, noodle.... ;-) What a weird idea to put sports (faster, higher, longer) onto loops... (remember olympics? those who always run in a circle, thats also a long loop...) I limited my loops to 90 seconds, which I consider pretty short... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7BA93BF07; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: feedback 100% Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:51:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20221 Message-Id: <8C8B54D310C1C23-1408-2551@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.132 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:26 +0000 (UTC) < Everything I play keeps fading out!>.....sez tom tom.....try not keeping the stack button depressed all the time, just use it while inputing something.....if you put in just one note, how many times will it repeat?.....if something you like fades out, just input it again.....at least the rang allows one to do a rather long loop so 100% fb is very doable.....i like how it forces me to think ahead with sound placement rather than blowing ahead full throttle knowing it will fade away.....i can't wait for my new button to get here so i can have less than 100%.....i would rather live in that world!.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C413BF15; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522DB78.4010606@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 23:51:52 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Joshua Carroll wrote: > Very cool... er, umm... hot! it remineded me of KTU - be carefull, could burn you... http://tinyurl.com/pz99z Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 21:52:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2727A3BF1C; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: feedback 100% Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:51:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20061003143338.BOX38172@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20221 Message-Id: <8C8B54D473FEFA3-1408-2559@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.132 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:52:07 +0000 (UTC) < Everything I play keeps fading out!>.....sez tom tom.....try not keeping the stack button depressed all the time, just use it while inputing something.....if you put in just one note, how many times will it repeat?.....if something you like fades out, just input it again.....at least the rang allows one to do a rather long loop so 100% fb is very doable.....i like how it forces me to think ahead with sound placement rather than blowing ahead full throttle knowing it will fade away.....i can't wait for my new button to get here so i can have less than 100%.....i would rather live in that world!.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:20:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 720E23BEF4; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XW3VX8kmfCnCpwJLcp2MiJoiLnUutyMon4ex6D75sIBiJKxt0j72ejkNNOA8ByZi/goMDT6ECWXcS5n0CLb04ZRZzeR9Vx7dGzldzf4fWB1P6hllBj08m6NmVOU8mXqOlpckJn9PpNA8GzDbV1NawqryZMaeyEH/2lMag9eiV5w= ; Message-ID: <20061003222013.25868.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: EDP more loops/feedback issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8C8B54D473FEFA3-1408-2559@FWM-R04.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, In using more loops ive run into the problem of sometimes hitting accidentally a track record button twice into which a loop has been recorded which starts automatically multiplying.Is there a way to avoid this?I already have a separate assigned multiply function for this. The other problem i ran to at a gig is with the feedback control.I am using 3 banks with EDP functions and assigned one of the fcb1010 pedals to control feedback in all 3 banks.But as i was recording a loop after fading one out and reseting the feedback pedal to 100% the new loop kept fading out,having to turn the button manually so it would reset properly. So i am curious as to how fcb1010 users have their feedback pedal set,do u have it in every bank or use a separate pedal conected in the back of the EDP to avoid such thing? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:23:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C10703BEF3; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2323.69.59.207.172.1159914231.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: accordian looping From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <2VagdD.A.oNF.5LuIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES! Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and > accordions are handed out at the gate of hell. And while I do think > this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's > Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument! Very cool... er, > umm... hot! > > --Josh > > > > Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:31:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2491E3BF02; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fg/W1ol8TpbKeMxHZqt36DPRjVWismj7tuAD4R5wgd3JaGVZTaiM66y469Z4dFm2tmeM9YrUJduce/7jR+httQcKFnSnJp+Sx6NKfvcW7VeeEVVOdOm4vTBToMel4Yl42d54zBG2BLD3ol7s0fuD+sXX128/6fAWgdmqif4I22k= ; Message-ID: <20061003223102.29441.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: accordian looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13AE79@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:31:03 +0000 (UTC) beautiful stuff Jeff really "Wurst und Bier" stuff! Luis --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > One of my favorite bumper stickers: > > I play the accordion....and I vote! > > and one of my favorite bands: > > http://thosedarnaccordions.com/ > > > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:39:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 691B83BF0B; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522E68F.1020306@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:39:11 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> <4522DB78.4010606@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4522DB78.4010606@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-1, 10/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Holy.... that's just sick! Awesome! --Josh Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Joshua Carroll wrote: >> Very cool... er, umm... hot! > > it remineded me of KTU - be carefull, could burn you... > > http://tinyurl.com/pz99z > > Stefan > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:41:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 633183BF05; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4522E717.2090907@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:41:27 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <3419ba8e6d978d28df5eef553bc7649b@mac.com> <4522730D.9030801@infinivert.com> <2323.69.59.207.172.1159914231.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <2323.69.59.207.172.1159914231.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010006020106070005000804" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0640-1, 10/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:41:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010006020106070005000804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. > Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > Ain't it the truth?!?!!! --Josh improv@peak.org wrote: > I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a > fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES! > > Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. > Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > > >> I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and >> accordions are handed out at the gate of hell. And while I do think >> this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's >> Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument! Very cool... er, >> umm... hot! >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > --------------010006020106070005000804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either.
Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-)
Ain't it the truth?!?!!!

--Josh

improv@peak.org wrote: 
I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a
fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES!

Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either.
Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-)

  
I had always heard that harps are handed out at the gate of heaven and
accordions are handed out at the gate of hell.  And while I do think
this particular "hellish" piece might be a fitting soundtrack to Dante's
Inferno, it does raise my respect for the instrument!  Very cool... er,
umm... hot!

--Josh



Paul Mimlitsch wrote:
    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usK1mjwqxOc&mode=related&search=
--------------010006020106070005000804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 22:59:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3174E3BEEA; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Cy6+qlhkRL2HtGoUFUyYuMlhetLJNBVGc9ZnqPDyd/M2wlFAX2OxNUFuUzdYIFJQf9cXbGJR/51GK1kgi0pwsKUxaqfGbjTJU2M0MJjX0kOIadAo5jVWu2HE8u9xF4CQR0+dAkwCv2/TifGYw1DYANgTVZJOIueVklmQrW3BlLE= ; Message-ID: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: trey gunn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c6df5f$d531b690$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4wX_iB.A.R1G.EtuIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:59:17 +0000 (UTC) what on earth is he using here to rub strings? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 23:36:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA53E3BEDB; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: trey gunn Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: <017701c6e744$cf3d20c0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcbnP44fSUCBwxE2Q5SJ/1ExJcDNOgABR3lg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <-QqVlD.A.HU.aQvIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:36:58 +0000 (UTC) My guess is that it's a bullet mic, so he can create some feedback. Pretty neat-o! Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies > what on earth is he using here to rub strings? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 3 23:39:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D05E3BEEC; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13895112.1159918785491.JavaMail.pmimlitsch@mac.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:39:45 -0700 From: Paul Mimlitsch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trey gunn in-reply-to: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit references: <20061003225916.60677.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 71.229.131.202/instID=44 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:39:57 +0000 (UTC) If I remember correctly, I read a few years ago that he was experimenting with using a "Smokey Amp" as a feed back generator/ sustainer and also for percussive/ slide stuff. On Tuesday, October 03, 2006, at 03:59PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >what on earth is he using here to rub strings? >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1503D3BEA7; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ff201c6e75b$f12fce00$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14f901c6e3cf$8b1fa480$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2F8B8170-0578-40A4-AF04-85D79CDCAE0A@gmail.com> <155601c6e3db$c1215d10$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA22.5000409@addcom.de> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:22:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <8Pr7ZB.A.1ZG.orxIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" is no need to invent the wheel again... > >> My guess is that it might be more difficult to build a MAX/MSP >> Blackbird equivalent, because MAX/MSP seems to start at a more >> fundamental level in terms of the building blocks of patches. I'd be >> blown away if a MAX/MSP programmer did this...because right now >> Blackbird (thanks to Dave Coffin who shared it with me) is my favorite >> patch of all, out of all my VSTs, etc. > > Is there a Reaktor demo which could load it to have a look? Yes indeed. You can download at the NI website. I'll even send you the blackbird ensemble, and you can see the internal workings. If you can make a MAX/MSP patch that emulates the Tangerine snap, I'll pay you $$$. > Usually if I hear inspiring sounds and recreate them in Max the end up > being very different and much better (thats a matter of taste of course > ;-) Exactly! Jeff Kaiser and I just created a emulation of a patch on my Boss VF-1...it is a dual pitch shifter with delay that feedbacks the pitch into itself, genrating some intense sounds. It is VERY close to the actual patch. Fun. You can hear the original VF1 patch here: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/301858.html I am converting it to VST this week to share. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:25:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293B33BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reese Ritherspoon Subject: Re: AW: random effects Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:25:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:25:55 +0000 (UTC) The Access Virus B (and indigo) has a random function with two controls - amount & intensity. 'amount' adjusts how many parameters will change, and 'intensity' affects how much. you can start with any program in the library with a relatively low setting and keep hitting 'random' until you work yourself into the most alien thing youve ever heard. your face being eaten by ants. jello being squeezed into a thousand tiny holes around the room. a very effective technique, especially if you're lacking inspiration, or smoke pot. this (of course) isn't an "effects unit" per say, its a virtual analog synth. it has basic onboard effects that are sort of crummy, and a pair of analog ins for filtering/effecting outside sources. nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am new to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi and has multiple outs. happy tuesday, everyone. etienne de rithma www.rithma.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 02:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 232263BEB8; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I9X6oDU1Z5LHHZk2YYGWEDmzIjurbzsWkyUqZnJfjnDbR04MKyKAVkaX4zz82iG6WVhLuC1TRfILzDt6nYyqeZCwZlN+Ea5LINUirK7P0D6nb6bRapaagQry2n7+CH4jSdvtWM+TD3jsWlfr1kJ6cCM1HUoGUTIqA+8WnDvczm4= ; Message-ID: <20061004024435.9899.qmail@web51007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Murchison Subject: Re: AW: random effects To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2HZSkD.A.piH.UAyIFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:44:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You're going to get a lot of people saying that running software of some kind on a laptop is the best, and they probably wouldn't be too far from the truth. You definitely have lots of options and versatility that way. I personally want to stick to hardware (at least for the time being), and the EDP is the one I'm saving for. So to answer your question.... The EDP is the looper that I covet the most, so in my opinion that makes it "best". At least for me. Of course, there are lots of people that have migrated from the EDP and/or the Looperlative to a laptop, so at some point that's probably at least something to check out. Reese Ritherspoon wrote:nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? please, answer me! --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You're going to get a lot of people saying that running software of some kind on a laptop is the best, and they probably wouldn't be too far from the truth.  You definitely have lots of options and versatility that way.  I personally want to stick to hardware (at least for the time being), and the EDP is the one I'm saving for.

So to answer your question....  The EDP is the looper that I covet the most, so in my opinion that makes it "best".  At least for me.  Of course, there are lots of people that have migrated from the EDP and/or the Looperlative to a laptop, so at some point that's probably at least something to check out.

Reese Ritherspoon <rithma@rithma.org> wrote:
nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a
consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex?
please, answer me!

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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-2099029889-1159929875=:83351-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:21:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774A03BEA6; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jXDWDStpRm15aMVISWGD7UjQC3GqLiTp97iePEuWgt/9jvWEzY+NuQV4FsU2Bnxg9jgGwuxM1ljgGSw5d3jM9TLvh2f6BR5KIXr+6P+8Ja5pdtjRahXuNDw67QpNOUlWHJgZXmtNJMPYZxtrCv4idJfW+MK3h5uAU8vZT6oNEoI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:21:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:21:25 +0000 (UTC) > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? >> I used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. On 3 okt 2006, at 23.47, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I can imagine that this could work on MacIntels in a not so far > future. But converting VST to RTAS isn't recompiling, its wrapping. > Old Macs don't share the same processor with a PC, but the new ones > do... I guess Krispen was thinking about running Mobius VST wrapped into a Mac host? Wow! If that will ever be possible I would jump right into using Numerolgoy as the host for Mobius. I can't think about any more powerful combo. Numerology already offers most of the stuff I would have to (re)create by myself in MAX, would save me a lot of time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:39:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54673BEA9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:38:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 06143a82-5373-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZlUxDEF1 UkhJREJSEw9rCBYB BFAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 RkgAFQ0GZW9gbmIX HkJafwoacAVLehwU YlJiUXAKYngGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV0gAFGdk HkhQVTkuB1EUDyk6 MxVgbBgVGlcWNEh6 PEUsQxoeNAMTAQBS SClF X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: <34BAlD.A.MtH.Ic1IFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:39:04 +0000 (UTC) To help me out with all this midi stuff I installed MidiMonitor to keep track of all the messages going in and out of the computer. Great little program. I also used it to generate a detailed list of all the messages I'm sending on each bank...it's gotten complicated enough that I've started forgetting what is where... Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching the midi messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of "extra" data being sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I also I noticed that the Repeaters don't wig out so much when controlled by the computer as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think quite a few of my long-standing midi problems are about the foot controller, not the Repeater. (with one exception: every now and then I can still make the Repeater speed by pressing the Multiply button on the front, and if I send too many messages at once, or messages in rapid succession the unit will get stuck with a "Not Ready" message on the LCD...but these problems are my old friends now and we're used to each other) So back to those "extra", messages from the FCB1010... has anyone ever noticed them??? In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from CNT1, that is turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, gets sent anyway! I can make it happen consistently every other time by sending a Note message. To test, I turned off every single switch in a bank of patches, EXCEPT for the Note switch (switch 0). The "bonus" Control message sent with the Note message is always what WOULD be sent if CNT1 switch (switch 6) were on. Very interesting.... I'm going to take this up on the FCB1010 forum, but since there are a few people who use this pedal, I thought I'd mention it. Wish those Ground Control buttons weren't those little metal doo- dads....or I'd use that... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 06:45:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD1003BEC5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ze9Nozq3aL6SAHSXBcLOwx7ewbPKHPWZ+wu3Zt2ZBSO7WvQFrdfTLXADkWBJtAvU/33r/plnElzfsIU2glaopW2HAA5bckpZpTZ3vtInD3p/+ZPUwfz6JXkdP8NZwKFmHXrUHsUuyyzTTfJZaHhBBAtpoZI8hiZVvbl0LDC9th4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061003222013.25868.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061003222013.25868.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C4C904B-03BE-4FF3-8D18-44F0D1FBD3A2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:44:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:45:03 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 00.20, L.A. Angulo wrote: > .I am using 3 banks with EDP functions > and assigned one of the fcb1010 pedals to control > feedback in all 3 banks.But as i was recording a loop > after fading one out and reseting the feedback pedal > to 100% the new loop kept fading out,having to turn > the button manually so it would reset properly. > So i am curious as to how fcb1010 users have their > feedback pedal set,do u have it in every bank or use a > separate pedal conected in the back of the EDP to > avoid such thing? (speaking about my EDP rig now:) Generally I keep the feedback function assigned to the same FCB1010 expression pedal in every bank and even every patch. But I have been forced to make exceptions to be able to control other devices with the expression pedal (like an analog filterbank or previously a Repeater). I have ran into the problem you describe many times. What I do is to make sure I always have the feedback function assigned to that actual expression pedal in at least one patch with an "harmless" function - like for example Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a short Overdub only to recall the patch that has feedback assigned to the expression pedal. Another strategy I have developed to stay out of such trouble, and also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, is to double up most function over many controller buttons. Especially the feedback functions. I like to have both expression pedals and twistable knobs or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I can simply reach for the most immediate way to achieve feedback or whatever. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:01:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F1B3BEC2; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=j7UwkzEbw0/aVo0hfuOQ+OI/IFtR2E/8UFdOpRX1e9ILVjhxszqKUkU9SsBPLo6zKPe9oe3ZR2NvYkrPM8kuDoFbmQE0yyVTrafacHFvAbCGwhDKAkpAazP0bwL8M0WJ7o2HENR8NCI+LOoSjQQOQTnHRa3GC/lHJymadk+gIZY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29BED977-D68F-4237-B95A-7AD03501D746@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: random effects Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:01:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:01:55 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 04.25, Reese Ritherspoon wrote: > nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there > a consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? No. Every user have his own favorite, based oh his/hers particular needs for musical application. > please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am > new to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, > but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi > and has multiple outs. The question is impossible to answer without knowing more about your specific needs? (like asking "what is the best vehicle?") At least we can now write off the Echoplex, because you have listed "multiple outputs". Unless you're prepared for buying a bunch of Echoplexes - they have one output each and synch well via MIDI. If you like the Echoplex feature set but need multiple outputs, and if you don't mind using a computer as the hardware, you may look at the software looper Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:10:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D7E93BEC5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45235E68.5030001@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:10:32 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Short loop fades more quickly than long loop with same feedback setting References: <007801c6e2b2$398c9b50$0202a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <007801c6e2b2$398c9b50$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > Right.... Which is why "fade" on a multichannel looper makes more sense than > feedback, if it's available. Still, we work with what we have, right? fade and feedback would create a significantly different effect. A feedback would keep the looped phrase untouched and only on a different level. Whereas a fade would constantly diminish the volume. With recognizable structures within the loop this will have a completely different notion. One is an echo, the other a fadeout of a loop... It does different emotional things to me... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:12:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC463BED0; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LrrGvi58HskJYf2HrFnSSRj2FwXN9wfqUGuHl7DY1jcYnPkGAP6z4GN13VwCYpSCMoafnmEE1i+GbPRpKf5a5pQuyif6bcSxO1xuHbboGXMLnh+34ohjINPcWatLTEqWQBpw3Ee/LE96O/l6C8PESN2MSqcAWva/hTYpVKDo4hE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:12:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:12:17 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 08.38, Zoe Keating wrote: > Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching the midi =20 > messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of "extra" data being =20 > sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I also I noticed that =20 > the Repeaters don't wig out so much when controlled by the computer =20= > as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think quite a few of =20 > my long-standing midi problems are about the foot controller, not =20 > the Repeater.=A7 Yes, I have had these problems with hidden MIDI data bursted out from =20= the FCB1010. Some years ago I was unlucky to work with physical gear =20 (EDP, Repeater, AKAI MFC42 filterbank) that did not allow me to make =20 changes to which data the devices should react to. Some of the FCB =20 hidden data applied to the set controller for the filterbank and made =20= it loose sync way too often. (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here we go:) I've =20 noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a workaround could =20= be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI clips in Live =20 that do contain the MIDI data to control your repeaters etc. Finally =20 set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI Clips from MIDI data =20 sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not use any of the =20 hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through in Live. Live =20 should only be able to send out the content of those MIDI Clips and =20 not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. This way you filter =20= out the hidden data from your pedal. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 994343BEAF; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMIAI0WBToo+AgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:34:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-Reply-To: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:34:36 +0000 (UTC) >So back to those "extra", messages from the FCB1010... > >has anyone ever noticed them??? > >In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from CNT1, that is >turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, gets sent anyway! Yes, that's what happens here. I don't have the latest firmware though. ( You'd have to get the new firmware burned onto an EPROM if that turned out to be a fix, and there's also 3rd party replacement available which would no doubt fix this, but don't know how reliable they are) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE9513BEB9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--895065753 Message-Id: <2B7DF5BE-1034-4AD2-AC06-29BFBAF367CD@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:50:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 0dbdf723-537d-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZlUxDEF1 UkhJREJSHA9tARYE BlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 RkkLSDN5ZWZpbGEa HkVecwQacFcYKklC aFNiUXAKNXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYy TBpbRWx3TwUJRj8v PlQqI0IVWgBXO0Mj Nl0sEV8GPgVaDApC HkpADHgx X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:50:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--895065753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed thank ye per... that is exactly what i'm up to...hence my newfound interest in all things midi. i've been in the process of migrating for a while, but until recently never seemed to have enough time between tours to take it all apart and re-work it all. now i've had a good chunk of time to get my head around it, plan it out, implement and then actually practice. i mapped some of my "songs" so that they are "played" by midi clips Ableton. it's amazing only having to press one button and let Live do the rest. (a few glitches with midi notes sent on downbeats of new clips...working on it). i have a hybrid setup where i can stop the progression of midi clips at any time and revert to looping the old way (with the tool palette on the fcb1010) however, for purely improv pieces, i'm still using the footpedal to RPTR setup and just the computer for audio processing. anyway, next on the list is to do what you say for the "off the cuff" pieces too. nothing is perfect though, in some ways i feel like i'm just substituting old problems for new ones! can't wait to hear you at y2k6! -z On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here we go:) I've > noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a workaround > could be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI clips in > Live that do contain the MIDI data to control your repeaters etc. > Finally set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI Clips from > MIDI data sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not use > any of the hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through in > Live. Live should only be able to send out the content of those > MIDI Clips and not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. > This way you filter out the hidden data from your pedal. > --Apple-Mail-2--895065753 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 thank ye per...

that is exactly what i'm up = to...hence my newfound interest in all things midi.=A0

i've been in the process of = migrating for a while, but until recently never seemed to have enough = time between tours to take it all apart and re-work it = all.
now i've had a good chunk of time to get my head around = it, plan it out, implement and then actually practice.

i mapped some of my "songs" = so that they are "played" by midi clips Ableton. it's amazing only = having to press one button and let Live do the rest. (a few glitches = with midi notes sent on downbeats of new clips...working on = it).

i have a = hybrid setup where i can stop the progression of midi clips at any time = and revert to looping the old way (with the tool palette on the = fcb1010)

however, for purely improv = pieces, i'm still using the footpedal to RPTR setup and just the = computer for audio processing.

anyway, next on the list is = to do what you say for the "off the cuff"=A0 pieces too.=A0

nothing is perfect though, = in some ways i feel like i'm just substituting old problems for new = ones!=A0

can't = wait to hear you at y2k6!

-z

On Oct 4, 2006, = at 12:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

(Maybe you're already doing = this... but anyway, here we go:) I've noticed you have a powerbook with = Ableton Live, so a workaround could be to run the FCB into the laptop. = Then make up MIDI clips in Live that do contain the MIDI data to control = your repeaters etc. Finally set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live = MIDI Clips from MIDI data sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure = to not use any of the hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI = Through in Live. Live should only be able to send out the content of = those MIDI Clips and not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. = This way you filter out the hidden data from your pedal.


=

= --Apple-Mail-2--895065753-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 07:54:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85543BEC1; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0806924F-E068-4380-B512-3B400268D213@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:54:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 9ec9d75a-537d-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZlUxDEF1 UkhJREJSHA9tBRYE BVAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 RkkXVAxYZWVha2Yd HkFbcwUaeVYZd0tC bwFiUXAKNXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYy TBpbRWx3TwUJRj8v PlQqI0IVWgBXO0Mj Nl0sEV8GPgVaDApC HkpADHgx X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:54:54 +0000 (UTC) isn't that from 2003? or do they do upgrades every week like Ableton Live ? ;-) the pedal i have i bought new in the UK in april On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:34 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> So back to those "extra", messages from the FCB1010... >> >> has anyone ever noticed them??? >> >> In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from CNT1, that is >> turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, gets sent anyway! > > Yes, that's what happens here. > I don't have the latest firmware though. > ( You'd have to get the new firmware burned onto an EPROM if that > turned out to be a fix, and there's also 3rd party replacement > available which would no doubt fix this, but don't know how > reliable they are) > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 11:36:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6683BEB6; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAE5I0WBToo+AgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004100403.01bbe218@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:14:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-Reply-To: <0806924F-E068-4380-B512-3B400268D213@zoekeating.com> References: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061004083035.01bf1240@tiscali.co.uk> <0806924F-E068-4380-B512-3B400268D213@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) main source of info is a yahoo group http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/?yguid=184258049 >isn't that from 2003? or do they do upgrades every week like Ableton >Live ? ;-) >the pedal i have i bought new in the UK in april Official updates are infrequent, very likely you have the latest. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:21:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634543BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=c5WFbenQXwYno/FmbtG4gSwtb4wF1xGgd+6iYi6AquOnDgVnQKNf7Ii06XgKrQ+fYnoJbnuf/ARmXQopq1Tq3STZrri5wgty7HqBICJGiIOXGo1FM0UXUpLekIFsrgTcWWvPNZDm+nJz0enyKVpwSljLM+bPB01MOb9OE/rayCc= ; Message-ID: <013401c6e7b8$0be518c0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: Subject: Free MIDI Loop Sequencer Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:21:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Just came accross this.There was a topic about this a few weeks ago. "Seq24 is a minimal loop based midi sequencer." "It was created to provide a very simple interface for editing and playing midi 'loops'. After searching for a software based sequencer that would provide the functionality needed for a live performance, such as the Akai MPC line, the Kawai Q80 sequencer, or the popular Alesis MMT-8, I found nothing similar in the software realm. I set out to create a very minimal sequencer that excludes the bloated features of the large software sequencers, and includes a small subset of features that I have found usable in performing. " http://www.filter24.org/seq24/index.html Didn't had the time to try it yet but it's free (win/unix only) Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quel que soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:39:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66B93BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:41:50 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20061004100403.01bbe218@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c6e7ba$d842fd40$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Here's another idea for a workaround, off the top of my head. Hope it's = not too na=EFve... Might it be possible to program those switches to send = out a *harmless* CC (i.e., one that your other gear will ignore, like CC86 or something), and *then* shut off the CC output? Perhaps then the bug = would manifest in a more benign manner for you... Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 13:46:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21CF3BEC5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RjksRf0H1W54U6sK3ik7mZOU0Me1TgnqDlP2eDblUR8wTdlo//ubBQo/wM8hchV3IGdvlL2xtEfwCw3t7xLYWJMPPI6f/3jshZnl1rrMn2L3QFWdluAnJotJ/ElvTVl1qESC/mpZRSkkKmmxIzUfX2ePaQz5sCS2vYQ4R/+d5HU= In-Reply-To: <000c01c6e7ba$d842fd40$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <000c01c6e7ba$d842fd40$0202a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:46:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:46:20 +0000 (UTC) On 4 okt 2006, at 15.41, Warren Sirota wrote: > Here's another idea for a workaround, off the top of my head. Hope =20 > it's not > too na=EFve... Might it be possible to program those switches to send =20= > out a > *harmless* CC (i.e., one that your other gear will ignore, like =20 > CC86 or > something), and *then* shut off the CC output? Perhaps then the bug =20= > would > manifest in a more benign manner for you... The problem is that this "leaking" MIDI data have nothing to do with =20= which data the pedal is programmed to send out. A MIDI filtering application is not a good solution either, in case =20 the pedal leaks out events that has to be used for controlling some =20 device (the problem with some hardware devices is that you can't =20 adjust their MIDI binding setup). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 14:32:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96373BECC; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=Bsp8OGDumIIM0GhzeTBN7Nz2oTUnRqu5n3XC8bxhu7jWKbGIWoJgR0ERFMVYUk49MmBWhz10OplI/jSV9vXy5X3Md6UoUZUivuYEJzospXV7pdGYBJzuSDJBdwIs85Lz0jZpVxSWwRWc53NlGbkcNAKVZdHeu00F8aLDkdNuNuk= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: trey gunn Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:32:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <13895112.1159918785491.JavaMail.pmimlitsch@mac.com> Thread-Index: AcbnRT0SqrD5AbIDSGufxcywvr16VQAfHxlQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Message-Id: <20061004143227.4D4983BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:32:28 +0000 (UTC) yep. it's a smokey amp. i use one with my stick. it's great for feedback if you hold it against the back of the neck. m http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: trey gunn If I remember correctly, I read a few years ago that he was experimenting with using a "Smokey Amp" as a feed back generator/ sustainer and also for percussive/ slide stuff. On Tuesday, October 03, 2006, at 03:59PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >what on earth is he using here to rub strings? >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IwjnT70Oi8&NR > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 15:29:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF2B3BEA9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4523D234.90803@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:24:36 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: accordian looping References: <20061004063905.2DD523BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20061004063905.2DD523BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:29:20 +0000 (UTC) >I've been recording a Galecian Celtic band lately, and I now know for a >fact what instrument is handed out at the gates of hell: BAGPIPES! > >Not only are they always too freaking loud, they're never in tune either. >Wait, that sounds like some guitarists I know :-) > > Q: What is the definition of a gentleman? A: Someone who knows how to play the bagpipes, but chooses not to. Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:01:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF00F3BEC1; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4523DAC9.3010906@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:01:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Looper (was: random effects) References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen made a great chart that compares the functionality of various loopers. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far. http://www.looperlative.com BTW, I love "a very effective technique, especially if you're lacking inspiration, or smoke pot..." Always a good disclaimer! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a > consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? > please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am new > to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, > but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi > and has multiple outs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:41:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DEB43BEC2; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:43:25 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001001c6e7d4$36563460$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Per said: > > The problem is that this "leaking" MIDI data have nothing to > do with > which data the pedal is programmed to send out. > Too bad. It was not a bad guess, though. Working around pathologies is really difficult a lot of the time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0674B3BED6; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [207.68.174.154] X-Originating-Email: [johncecilprice@hotmail.com] X-Sender: johncecilprice@hotmail.com thread-index: Acbn1focaBSW7dZZSL6s1lnNGuU7Wg== Thread-Topic: Long time guys From: To: Cc: Subject: Long time guys Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:56:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 16:56:10.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE070100:01C6E7D5] Resent-Message-ID: <2_fZ2D.A.2KH.re-IFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, feels like bein bk home again. John Cecil Price www.johncecilprice.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 16:58:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023B53BED9; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <215701c6e7d6$40720670$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002001c6e489$29cf1ed0$0101a8c0@succubus> <218D399F-84FA-4764-8FCD-5F8B729AEF75@gmail.com> <4523DAC9.3010906@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Best Looper (was: random effects) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:58:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Per, can you add the Boss RC-2? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Best Looper (was: random effects) > Per Boysen made a great chart that compares the functionality of various > loopers. http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > > I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the > Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus > if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how > they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. > It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site > to see what functionality it has so far. http://www.looperlative.com > > BTW, I love "a very effective technique, especially if you're lacking > inspiration, or smoke pot..." Always a good disclaimer! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com >> nobody responded last time i asked, so ill ask again.......is there a >> consensus on the 'best' looper out there? is it the echoplex? >> please, answer me! or, let me know if i am asking wrong - i am new >> to the list. i know its kind of a nebulous question, >> but i really want something to start with that i can synch via midi >> and has multiple outs. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:23:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A0C3BECA; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=svVHWifFubHC9Oj+MmaaBynLDO+vL8iiWcBt2DguNsJINjy1Dsa8C9VOEQjuyz1E93B7IjNlLWkdvVczg0vdDHrhJYDA4cX92AekuiB/Emwz6E8mJ+/i0p8KmUBfh0loxWKRg5/ux8i3axByztxSvePLYShnRkv/QPp+tIvfmyA= ; Message-ID: <20061004172258.19078.qmail@web81003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Shopping for a looper again... RC-50?... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) So I went and listed my 2880 (with foot controller and 12 compact flash cards) on eBay - I dont' suppose many of you will be interested in that after all the public complaints I lodged here about it last week, but if you are then the listing is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=019&item=290035966509&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 My reason for posting, however, is not to find a buyer for my unwanted gear, and I don't wish to abuse the list... which is to say, I know there is a huge archive of info for this list, not to mention user reviews at Harmony Central, which are at my disposal for evaluating the currently available tools of the trade - I spent two or three hours last night looking over some of that material and barely scratched the surface of what's already been discussed in depth here (wish there was a way to narrow my search since when I type in Boss RC-50 I get an enormous page of posts to look at and there is no way to guage the contents of each one without opening them one at a time, or so it seems)... Anyway, I'm shopping for another looper - I definitely don't want a laptop/software based setup because it's too much money for me to spend (I'm broke, unemployed, and I don't want to pay more than the $500 I hope to recoup for my 2880 deal) and I haven't got the time or the patience to learn all of that - I'd prefer not to have to learn MIDI either, at least to start - And for rather petty reasons (I'm out of rack spaces in my gear case and I don't want to have to sell my road rack and buy a bigger one) I'm leaning away from buying a rack-mounted looper (there is the added issue of having to shop for a footswitch if I go that route, also, which I'd prefer to avoid) So, that leaves me with the floor-mounted models that are out there: Boss RC-50, RC-20XL, DD-20, RC-2, Digitech Jamman, Boomerang, etc... Forgetting about the Line 6 and all of those which have the loud metal pushbutton switch design, are there any others I'm missing? I've used Boss pedals before (the DD6 was my looper before I got the 2880) and I've found them to be quiet and suitable for use with quiet live-miked instruments, so I may go with a Boss I'm deciding to let go of a lot of the features I was hoping to find in a looper, because I can't afford to pay for them all, basically (I'd probably need to get a Looperlative) - I'll have to live without discrete loops I can pan and fade individually (I'm not buying another Repeater, having owned one and got frustrated with the noise issues it had) - I guess I can live without storing loops... I'd love a reverse button, but it's not essential... One thing I would like is a stereo output (my mixer only has mono effects send but it has stereo return, so I don't need 'true stereo' but I would like a looper that offers a stereo output) - Although I'm not sure if this is a meaningless thing, I mean: unless the looper takes the mono send and processes it to a stereo signal (like a stereo delay) then it wouldn't amount to anything but a left and right send of the same signal? - I don't know... the RC-50 and the DD-20 have a left and right out; the RC-20XL, RC-2 and Digitech Jamman only have one mono output But the DD-20, which I am leaning toward on account of the price (Boss has so many options) doesn't have a feedback control for the looping feature ('sound on sound'), apparently: that sucks... Now, the RC-50, that model appears rather forbiddingly difficult to master in terms of its vast feature set, but it does appear to have everything I want in a looper except the individual track mixing option (that only the Repeater, 2880. and Looperlative offer, or does the EDP have that? in any case it's too much money for me) - Now, many of the Harmony Central reviews state there is an issue with the RC-50 about cropping off the first part of the loop when you go from record to play - Is this a real defect in the unit, or is it due to some failure on those users' parts to read the manual and make the proper settings? I don't expect everyone to want to repeat everything that's already been written here, but if maybe one of you would (or point me to a specific link where my questions are addressed)... Is the RC-50 bunk? Does it have serious drawbacks any buyer will have to contend with?... And a more general question, if not the RC-50, then what would you recommend I buy, based on my above criteria and profile (I'm kind of a tech dummie, need quiet foot controls, want stereo output)? Sorry to burden you with my doubtlessly redundant discussions, but there is just so much info and so many choices out there that my head is spinning trying to come to a decision (one real option I am considering now is to abandon entirely the live looping option, and just get a basic stupid effects pedal)... Oh yeah, the other thing is, I hear that Mike Nelson is gonna introduce a new Boomerang upgraded model next year, with lots of new features, so I'm thinking I might do without a looper till then and check out the new Rang when it hits the streets... And one other thing (sorry): there is the option of buying a used looper of some kind, I know there are a lot of cool discontinued models out there that are worth looking at... but I'm thinking I might be better to play it safe and get something from Guitar Center with a 30-day trial option, and test it out THOROUGHLY this time, so I can return it if I find any unexpected drawbacks that I can't deal with (like noisy footswitches or what have you)... Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:35:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA333BEE1; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--859965187 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Best Looper... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:35:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--859965187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far. http://www.looperlative.com<<< The Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 stereo channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to the three outs for either separate recording, or post processing... The other thing you can now do with the Looperlative that does give you access to all 8 channels separately is export loops to a computer via the ethernet port... And import them, should you wish to. So in terms of 'most fully featured' I think the LP1 takes that hardware award, but there are still people who love the functionality and playability of the Echoplex, and are happy with it being one mono channel. For me, the Looperlative rocks my world. :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-12--859965187 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>I'd say the most = sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it = having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets = of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the = box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the = upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it = has so far.=A0 http://www.looperlative.com<&l= t;<

The = Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 stereo = channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to the = three outs for either separate recording, or post = processing...=A0

The other thing you can now = do with the Looperlative that does give you access to all 8 channels = separately is export loops to a computer via the ethernet port... And = import them, should you wish to.=A0

So in terms of 'most fully = featured'=A0 I think the LP1 takes that hardware award, but there are = still people who love the functionality and playability of the Echoplex, = and are happy with it being one mono channel.=A0

For me, the Looperlative = rocks my world. :o)=A0

cheers

Steve
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www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson

= --Apple-Mail-12--859965187-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 17:43:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B415F3BEB3; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4523F2BB.7090107@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:43:23 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Looper... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030009040007040204040805" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:43:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030009040007040204040805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crap, sorry for the disinformation. If I /had/ one... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > >>I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the > Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and > asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm > not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous > software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of > the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far. > http://www.looperlative.com<<< > > The Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 > stereo channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to > the three outs for either separate recording, or post processing... --------------030009040007040204040805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crap, sorry for the disinformation. If I had one...

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

>>I'd say the most sophisticated hardware looper would be the Looperlative, by means of it having eight stereo loops, and asynchronus if desired. It has eight sets of possible outputs, but I'm not sure how they're all implemented as the box has continuous software upgrades. It'd be worth checking out the upgrade portion of the forum on the site to see what functionality it has so far.  http://www.looperlative.com<<<

The Looperlative has three pairs of outs, not 8 sets... there are 8 stereo channels, as you say, which can be routed in any combination to the three outs for either separate recording, or post processing...

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 19:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB7663BED5; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <0DBFA6F6-DD9A-450F-98FD-6D4BA1795D95@biggerbread.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--853308781 From: Andrew Chaikin Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:26:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:26:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--853308781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Zoe, I'm highly allergic to Midi, so I'm probably out of my league here, but wouldn't there be some way in MidiPipe to block just that CNT1 thing from ever making it through? This is assuming you don't need CNT1 for anything else, of course. Kid Beyond email@kidbeyond.com http://kidbeyond.com | http://myspace.com/kidbeyond --Apple-Mail-1--853308781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Zoe,

I'm highly allergic to = Midi, so I'm probably out
of my league here, but wouldn't = there be some
way in MidiPipe to block just that CNT1 = thing
from ever making it through?

This is assuming you don't = need CNT1 for
anything=A0else, of course.

= --Apple-Mail-1--853308781-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 4 23:12:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51B9C3BEB2; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:12:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Two things, on the wishlist...converting a PC VST to a MAC VST, and converting a Reaktor Ensemble to a PC or MAC VST....that would be musical ecstasy. :) You'd think they could do that with Reaktor, like what you can do with MAX. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:21 AM Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? I >>> used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. > > On 3 okt 2006, at 23.47, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> I can imagine that this could work on MacIntels in a not so far future. >> But converting VST to RTAS isn't recompiling, its wrapping. Old Macs >> don't share the same processor with a PC, but the new ones do... > > > I guess Krispen was thinking about running Mobius VST wrapped into a Mac > host? Wow! If that will ever be possible I would jump right into using > Numerolgoy as the host for Mobius. I can't think about any more powerful > combo. Numerology already offers most of the stuff I would have to > (re)create by myself in MAX, would save me a lot of time. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 06:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E63B3BEC5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XOlKqVAmWrw1WW6iyoW38rxnAroHAJbQOMrRRC85n+jvIlxCYfud8UAO1d1tHB792XtnqmHKQN5dojhPj+/dme51HWVAI9xL//ZQUog8HCtxArv4Oq0P2roaxyfLfSUjEk7jxHvkBN0qcZzxJDdDwmCuUxK4r4G4AO7W1pzrZ34= ; Message-ID: <20061005063310.70490.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7C4C904B-03BE-4FF3-8D18-44F0D1FBD3A2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6HieaD.A.o3F.pcKJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:33:14 +0000 (UTC) I have > ran into the > problem you describe many times. What I do is to > make sure I always > have the feedback function assigned to that actual > expression pedal > in at least one patch with an "harmless" function - > like for example > Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a > short Overdub only to > recall the patch that has feedback assigned to the > expression pedal. so if i understand correctly you assign a value of 127 on the overdub button for example and press it shortly to reset the controller? > Another strategy I have developed to stay out of > such trouble, and > also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, is > to double up > most function over many controller buttons. > Especially the feedback > functions. I like to have both expression pedals and > twistable knobs > or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I can > simply reach for > the most immediate way to achieve feedback or > whatever. this sounds cool,but it could create problems as well...don´t know if i am understanding it right could you give me a more specific example? Thanx Per! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 06:40:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6183BEB9; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GW9wU600t4jSzSEg5+nC45Su0Vf0PV5kmu2dtVTkmR6/deilbAGpUnYuGuEUzsNWfbQeoXlKvndOXtai9u5jZksFM9qSbfpuBbLG4awVno4skhG9jvl/Cg4+I0V8aYpyx/rcoHRTHR+DplZpxLC9HcYGIx10BU54APgOgqOJIa4= ; Message-ID: <20061005064024.96358.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:40:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6A70D54C-5F16-4B85-834B-1BF5F3099C99@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0u554D.A.7LG.YjKJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:40:25 +0000 (UTC) sorry folks i missed soemthing here are u talking about the midiOx app to filter out midi errors? Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 4 okt 2006, at 08.38, Zoe Keating wrote: > > > Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching > the midi > > messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of > "extra" data being > > sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I > also I noticed that > > the Repeaters don't wig out so much when > controlled by the computer > > as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think > quite a few of > > my long-standing midi problems are about the foot > controller, not > > the Repeater.§ > > > Yes, I have had these problems with hidden MIDI data > bursted out from > the FCB1010. Some years ago I was unlucky to work > with physical gear > (EDP, Repeater, AKAI MFC42 filterbank) that did not > allow me to make > changes to which data the devices should react to. > Some of the FCB > hidden data applied to the set controller for the > filterbank and made > it loose sync way too often. > > (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here > we go:) I've > noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a > workaround could > be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI > clips in Live > that do contain the MIDI data to control your > repeaters etc. Finally > set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI > Clips from MIDI data > sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not > use any of the > hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through > in Live. Live > should only be able to send out the content of those > MIDI Clips and > not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. > This way you filter > out the hidden data from your pedal. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 06:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34DB13BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RGURZol5F0hY0JN3aWZsAsBhHtDCMCQX29jc/xWDHD2YZ53uWk5ajge+SIYF2byRFHFNT/8h/MZVApFgaHeKKF8c4KPeSDD7vfDoNqfWfhwLKekEAm2BAQ/x8IZgwGiqjnCoWT+9GHLbrCj57+cfw/fSEAo6pltGmVbZm9MJ3ek= ; Message-ID: <20061005064433.28627.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20F2E36F-EE65-4E33-BB85-713CEC072E9C@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) This is great thank you Zoe ignore my previous message! cheers Luis --- Zoe Keating wrote: > To help me out with all this midi stuff I installed > MidiMonitor to > keep track of all the messages going in and out of > the computer. > Great little program. I also used it to generate a > detailed list of > all the messages I'm sending on each bank...it's > gotten complicated > enough that I've started forgetting what is where... > > Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching > the midi messages > scroll by, is noticing a few bits of "extra" data > being sent along > with my patches.... occasionally. I also I noticed > that the Repeaters > don't wig out so much when controlled by the > computer as they do when > controlled by the FCB1010. I think quite a few of my > long-standing > midi problems are about the foot controller, not the > Repeater. > > (with one exception: every now and then I can still > make the Repeater > speed by pressing the Multiply button on the front, > and if I send too > many messages at once, or messages in rapid > succession the unit will > get stuck with a "Not Ready" message on the > LCD...but these problems > are my old friends now and we're used to each other) > > So back to those "extra", messages from the > FCB1010... > > has anyone ever noticed them??? > > In my case, it's always "hidden" Control data from > CNT1, that is > turned off in a patch, but about every 2nd press, > gets sent anyway! > > I can make it happen consistently every other time > by sending a Note > message. To test, I turned off every single switch > in a bank of > patches, EXCEPT for the Note switch (switch 0). The > "bonus" Control > message sent with the Note message is always what > WOULD be sent if > CNT1 switch (switch 6) were on. > > Very interesting.... > > I'm going to take this up on the FCB1010 forum, but > since there are a > few people who use this pedal, I thought I'd mention > it. > > Wish those Ground Control buttons weren't those > little metal doo- > dads....or I'd use that... > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 07:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 720ED3BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dc50wW2usNHH4GD2LH1KcJOK7TFvWOen42AECCVmAgcX/5NlVVjjgOLXeC4vkOu0ehveC33hM0ATdLCcsWovsLLVuePRiHTgmTFFOQDQh/OpvB72Dbwhka4JVdeC3jallPMru0yHaLA2oy7FNrH1cG9LaA6LYz8zspx+jWeopJg= In-Reply-To: <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:08:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:08:40 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2006, at 01.12, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Two things, on the wishlist...converting a PC VST to a MAC VST, When converting PC VST to Mac you must not leave out the AU plug-in format (better compatibility, more future proof). If some developer would release a Windows to OSX plug-in converter I would guess the AU format would be the target and eventually VST thrown in as an extra bonus. Today we have great converters from FXpansion that translates from VST/OSX to AU/OSX. When researching this I found that the wish for VST/Windows to AU(VST)/OSX has already been posted to FXpansion. I didn't hear about any such plans though and I can't say if it would even be technically possible. > > and converting a Reaktor Ensemble to a PC or MAC VST....that would > be musical ecstasy. :) You'd think they could do that with > Reaktor, like what you can do with MAX. Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/Windows before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought Max is saving your work in a platform independent document format? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 07:12:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F39C3BEB9; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cNjpE3Kmhtq96lpGztxES2FtxgWT20Zh+FW4ODIzFK1hv6wU1M0UMl7fbZM6muaYka6GpfNktcPQzkP9OwwLx6SK/HEQ1VZTbW1WuQg99E12ss5rcG4twAtqD3KeE8hqgSIIDZVk8vwhMeXtn9pxjwWWn5A4AZBL3r1EEvQlCjU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061005064024.96358.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061005064024.96358.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39A8C2FF-9508-4037-86A8-8CD28352D0B3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: fcb1010: dirty data...anyone ever noticed? Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:12:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:12:26 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2006, at 08.40, L.A. Angulo wrote: > sorry folks i missed soemthing here are u talking > about the midiOx app to filter out midi errors? > Luis No. (If you are addressing me here,) I was talking about Ableton Live =20= in this post. Per > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 4 okt 2006, at 08.38, Zoe Keating wrote: >> >>> Anyway...what's been pretty enlightening, watching >> the midi >>> messages scroll by, is noticing a few bits of >> "extra" data being >>> sent along with my patches.... occasionally. I >> also I noticed that >>> the Repeaters don't wig out so much when >> controlled by the computer >>> as they do when controlled by the FCB1010. I think >> quite a few of >>> my long-standing midi problems are about the foot >> controller, not >>> the Repeater.=A7 >> >> >> Yes, I have had these problems with hidden MIDI data >> bursted out from >> the FCB1010. Some years ago I was unlucky to work >> with physical gear >> (EDP, Repeater, AKAI MFC42 filterbank) that did not >> allow me to make >> changes to which data the devices should react to. >> Some of the FCB >> hidden data applied to the set controller for the >> filterbank and made >> it loose sync way too often. >> >> (Maybe you're already doing this... but anyway, here >> we go:) I've >> noticed you have a powerbook with Ableton Live, so a >> workaround could >> be to run the FCB into the laptop. Then make up MIDI >> clips in Live >> that do contain the MIDI data to control your >> repeaters etc. Finally >> set up MIDI bindings to trigger those Live MIDI >> Clips from MIDI data >> sent by your FCB. When doing this, make sure to not >> use any of the >> hidden data. Also make sure there is no MIDI Through >> in Live. Live >> should only be able to send out the content of those >> MIDI Clips and >> not what it gets at its MIDI input from your FCB. >> This way you filter >> out the hidden data from your pedal. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 08:15:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48C53BEB6; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=n0wqHTGeV81lnFsi2J2cdpOjoe+/3rLFcUGY66PpwzC3jCcZR7UumfPi7zZq9yApDhyKO72fGl+jpaVv8zg7MEumIpq+YDHYReBkFuhmCbnwI4MWKplSeICSkDUHHS6b8P/8xgAA+uFDrKBKPi0qmq++lujQ0Xb/jzHdrrC62ic= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061005063310.70490.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061005063310.70490.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:15:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:15:41 +0000 (UTC) > I have >> ran into the >> problem you describe many times. What I do is to >> make sure I always >> have the feedback function assigned to that actual >> expression pedal >> in at least one patch with an "harmless" function - >> like for example >> Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a >> short Overdub only to >> recall the patch that has feedback assigned to the >> expression pedal. On 5 okt 2006, at 08.33, L.A. Angulo wrote: > so if i understand correctly you assign a value of 127 > on the overdub button for example and press it shortly > to reset the controller? No. I'm talking about the FCB "PADS" assignment of particular FCB =20 PATCHES. When I press my foot at the overdub button the FCB is doing two =20 things: (1) Sending the MIDI Note for "Overdub" and (2) recalling the =20= pad assignments of that patch (since you call up a patch by pressing =20 a button), In my EDP rig I have different functions assigned to expression pedal =20= 2 in different patches. But since I know that when I press the undo =20 button I will also recall a patch that is using expression pedal 2 =20 for EDP Feedback. So if I recently called up a patch where I the =20 expression is used pedal for something different (like for example =20 tweaking the tempo division of the MIDI Clock beat sync LFO of my =20 filterbank) and suddenly discover that "oh, shit - I forgot the EDP =20 Feedback at 88 % and now all my music is vanishing!!!! HILFE - =20 HILFE!" ...he, he... what I can do in that situation is to quickly =20 press undo two times (on/off) without playing anything, only to make =20 the expression pedal 2 start sending the EDP Feedback data instead of =20= the Filterbank data. Then I push down the toe to maximize feedback =20 and get back to whatever I was doing. > >> Another strategy I have developed to stay out of >> such trouble, and >> also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, is >> to double up >> most function over many controller buttons. >> Especially the feedback >> functions. I like to have both expression pedals and >> twistable knobs >> or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I can >> simply reach for >> the most immediate way to achieve feedback or >> whatever. > > this sounds cool,but it could create problems as > well...don=B4t know if i am understanding it right could > you give me a more specific example? Ok. Three examples: (1) Let's take that catastrophe scenario from above. I have a little =20= hand mixer beside the laptop (Faderfox) and some of the faders and =20 knobs are sending the same MIDI cc data that the FCB expression pedal =20= does send. So I can use either the pedal or a knob or a fader. (2) A typical example would be if I'm working in a FCB BANK where I =20 have no patch button ("pad", as the FCB manual calls them) that =20 brings up the particular MIDI cc I want for the expression pedal. =20 Then I simply reach out a hand and twist a knob - because that knob =20 is always sending this particular CC data. (3) In Mobius there are many times when I'm working on one track (the =20= selected track, equals one EDP in a multi EDP rig) and find that I =20 want to adjust feedback of a loop playing on a different track =20 (another EDP). Then it's handy to have hardware knobs directly =20 addressing feedback (and other functions) directly on different tracks. In Mobius there are both Feedback and Secondary Feedback and I like =20 to set it up to use them both. The Secondary Feedback can have any =20 setting because it only kicks in when loops are in Overdub, Multiply, =20= Substitute etc mode. The normal Feedback is usually set to 100 % and =20 I use it for fade outs or for manually creating volume patterns in =20 loops. All the best per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 10:28:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4A1A3BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:27:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4524DE05.5000505@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:28:16 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 15:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA4D53BEC1; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003101c6e892$1ac44f20$800101df@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: "Loop List" References: Subject: OT: Studio pics. Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:15:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:22:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few weeks ago I had the chance to move my studio stuff from my attic = (too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter) to a 'regular' room. = And, since I started having a grand old time with my cell-phone-camera, = I took a bunch of pics and posted them. =20 So, for your amusement... http://www.flickr.com/photos/90137639@N00/sets/72157594303469033/ It's not quite done, I need to change the paintings so I can hang a few = of the guitars I never play but want to look at. And the mics, and a CD = rack, and find a place for all the spare cables... litle things. --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- Tony http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few weeks ago I had the chance to = move my studio=20 stuff from my attic (too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter) to a = 'regular' room.  And, since I started having a grand old time with = my=20 cell-phone-camera, I took a bunch of pics and posted them.  =
 
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It's not quite done, I need to change = the paintings=20 so I can hang a few of the guitars I never play but want to look = at.  And=20 the mics, and a CD rack, and find a place for all the spare = cables... =20 litle things.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C6E86F.844276C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 16:00:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FCE83BECC; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:00:46 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:00:48 +0000 (UTC) settings might be also interesting for the group... ... Besides the much cited "hiccup", all other so called "latency issues" proved to be wrong settings imo. At least, in my setup these things didn't appear or disappeared with the proper time settings. Please see below for proper time settings. Now, for me the RC-50 is my first "real" loooper. Buf if you are experienced with EDP/Repeater, there might be minor/major features you might be missing. Some annoying things are for me i.e.: changing tempo sounds awful (forget MIDI slave!) and it doesn't accept real short loops (i.e. half second). (I haven't used it with MIDI sync, no experience there). Some things are a bit annoying at the beginning but you get used to it (pedal handling, green/yellow lights). On the other hand, there are some great features for the money like: - three stereo loops + stereo aux send - loop length - nice extra commands with extra foot switches - useful all-in-one-box And for a lot of things there are actually work-arounds you woulnd't think possible first (feedback control, multiply..). So, Scott, my suggestion: print out the recommended time settings (see below), go to a music shop and try it out if it works for you. Then let us/me know what you think doesn't work. ;-) best regards Buzap RECOMMENDED BASIC TIME SETTINGS RC-50 ===================================== SINGLE MODE. # LOOP SYNC: OFF # GUIDE: OFF Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF. (Even if it's down: check it again, because switching patches could give it a different default value). # PHRASE1-3: TEMP SYNC: OFF Perform this for each PHRASE. MULTI MODE * GUIDE VOLUME: OFF * LOOP SYNC: OFF * For each PHRASE(1-3): TEMPO SYNC: ON (!!!) (Make sure you don't accidentally hit the TEMPO PEDAL.) -- GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:19:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08AFC3BED0; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAACfbJEWBTopAAgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061005181650.01b56a10@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:19:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues In-Reply-To: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> References: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3jyApD.A.2mC.j6TJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:19:31 +0000 (UTC) > >... >Besides the much cited "hiccup", thanks Buzap, you're the RC-50 wizzard. Surely the hiccup shouldn't happen whatever the settings? It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided, but I'm guessing that this means you have to avoid certain features. Would be great if you could clarify for us. thanks andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:27:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2455C3BED8; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19720253.1160069271105.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:27:51 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues Cc: a k butler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <75x4RC.A.w6C.cCUJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC) I must be getting used to it. The 'hiccup' doesn't seem as prominent as in the past. Maybe the RC-50 needs 'broken in'. ;) -- Paul Richards ---- a k butler wrote: > > > > >... > >Besides the much cited "hiccup", > > thanks Buzap, you're the RC-50 wizzard. > > Surely the hiccup shouldn't happen whatever the settings? > > It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided, but I'm guessing > that this means you have to avoid certain features. Would be great if > you could clarify for us. > > thanks > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:31:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77593BED5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:31:15 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Am I missing something? I haven't seen any way to determine the end of a loop, i.e. visually on the RC-50. Am I correct in that understanding? If the bars or whatever of a loop sound similar and maybe they don't lend themselves to a count off, then I guess there's no way to determine loop end (?). -- Paul Richards ---- a k butler wrote: > > > > >... > >Besides the much cited "hiccup", > > thanks Buzap, you're the RC-50 wizzard. > > Surely the hiccup shouldn't happen whatever the settings? > > It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided, but I'm guessing > that this means you have to avoid certain features. Would be great if > you could clarify for us. > > thanks > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:35:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 215483BEDE; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:35:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:35:54 +0000 (UTC) From: "Per Boysen" > > Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/Windows > before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought Max is saving > your work in a platform independent document format? I MAX patch created in Windows will only work as a Windows VST, to my knowledge, not in MAC. I would have to send my MAX patch to someone with MAX on a Mac, and they could convert to a Mac compatible VST. At least I think this is how it works! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 17:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1323BEDF; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JOWrpaSa7XjbDlupqr7zBz5Lc5QZiUeqBPIXdzWQnVMFbQwC1KSOF/0BSOJQ1RG0tCHvguvPfNWQaZ0D0/jO9ZBA70RGAGRuy976IuqzrolVF5/IPgraKYQSrUfz/h36K6/u4h8XTUo+P0I/FL5bdmQVn96IWaIciS0bpB9gpPM= In-Reply-To: <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:47:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:47:29 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Per Boysen" >> >> Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/ >> Windows before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought >> Max is saving your work in a platform independent document format? > On 5 okt 2006, at 19.35, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I MAX patch created in Windows will only work as a Windows VST, to > my knowledge, not in MAC. I would have to send my MAX patch to > someone with MAX on a Mac, and they could convert to a Mac > compatible VST. At least I think this is how it works! Are you sure you can save a max patch "as VST"? Isn't VST quite another plug-in format than normally used in Max? I know you can save plug-ins created in Max, as for example the excellent Pluggo suite, but I've never heard that should be the same as Steinbergs format VST? If you have Max installed, will you really have to save your patch as a plug-in? I have always thought you simply save it as "a work document for Max". And I have also presumed that, since a couple of years, such a "Max work document" may be opened either from Max in Windows or from Max in OSX. Is that correct? One thing I really appreciate in Ableton Live is that documents as well as "als" files (time-stretch and pitch data) may be opened, edited and saved on both OSX and XP with no compatibility issues. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 18:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B263BEC7; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6ZxMNTIvQxY6BKXyPY43D7qt0xsNSA9uZAl8254n0O67RRJKXrNPkbm1XsBFaS0pz1XRu5uWVSeFaFBIkq6dT5gQN/uNc7d8unpiJe3LjpwEV9jpM4JiflT2OqWqS0A4WXM0v7qZSSFO43p9QYNbdGQzu0+UaMxyj+KXCwEaorY= ; Message-ID: <20061005182111.53251.qmail@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061005160046.327630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC) This is worthwhile info... Nevertheless, I have to question whether or why any consumer would feel willing to pay $500 (unless you've got that kind of money to toss around carelessly) for a piece of equipment which you then have to spend time getting used to its annoyances, and developing workarounds for its design limitations (failure to build in features that are included on comparably or lesser priced models)... I can find plenty of things in life to get frustrated over without having to pay scarce money for the privilege... --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > settings might be also interesting for the group... > > ... > Besides the much cited "hiccup", all other so called "latency issues" proved to be wrong > settings imo. At least, in my setup these things didn't appear or disappeared with the proper > time settings. Please see below for proper time settings. > > Now, for me the RC-50 is my first "real" loooper. Buf if you are experienced with EDP/Repeater, > there might be minor/major features you might be missing. > Some annoying things are for me i.e.: changing tempo sounds awful (forget MIDI slave!) and it > doesn't accept real short loops (i.e. half second). > (I haven't used it with MIDI sync, no experience there). > Some things are a bit annoying at the beginning but you get used to it (pedal handling, > green/yellow lights). > > On the other hand, there are some great features for the money like: > - three stereo loops + stereo aux send > - loop length > - nice extra commands with extra foot switches > - useful all-in-one-box > > And for a lot of things there are actually work-arounds you woulnd't think possible first > (feedback control, multiply..). > > So, Scott, my suggestion: print out the recommended time settings (see below), go to a music > shop and try it out if it works for you. > Then let us/me know what you think doesn't work. > ;-) > > best regards > Buzap > > RECOMMENDED BASIC TIME SETTINGS RC-50 > ===================================== > SINGLE MODE. > # LOOP SYNC: OFF > # GUIDE: OFF > Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF. (Even if it's down: check it again, > because switching patches could give it a different default value). > # PHRASE1-3: TEMP SYNC: OFF > Perform this for each PHRASE. > > MULTI MODE > * GUIDE VOLUME: OFF > * LOOP SYNC: OFF > * For each PHRASE(1-3): TEMPO SYNC: ON (!!!) > (Make sure you don't accidentally hit the TEMPO PEDAL.) > > > -- > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > -- > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - Überall, wo DSL verfügbar ist! > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 18:33:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4915A3BEDC; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4692675.1160073189596.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 11:33:09 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues Cc: Ferrara Brain Pan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (failure to build in features that are included on comparably=20 or lesser priced models) I don't believe that this statement is true. What features are included on = lesser priced models? Feedback on a delay unit?=20 - Paul Richards ---- Ferrara Brain Pan wrote:=20 > This is worthwhile info... >=20 > Nevertheless, I have to question whether or why any consumer would feel w= illing to pay $500 > (unless you've got that kind of money to toss around carelessly) for a pi= ece of equipment which > you then have to spend time getting used to its annoyances, and developin= g workarounds for its > design limitations (failure to build in features that are included on com= parably or lesser priced > models)... I can find plenty of things in life to get frustrated over wit= hout having to pay scarce > money for the privilege... >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: >=20 > > settings might be also interesting for the group... > >=20 > > ... > > Besides the much cited "hiccup", all other so called "latency issues" p= roved to be wrong > > settings imo. At least, in my setup these things didn't appear or disap= peared with the proper > > time settings. Please see below for proper time settings. > >=20 > > Now, for me the RC-50 is my first "real" loooper. Buf if you are experi= enced with EDP/Repeater, > > there might be minor/major features you might be missing. > > Some annoying things are for me i.e.: changing tempo sounds awful (forg= et MIDI slave!) and it > > doesn't accept real short loops (i.e. half second). > > (I haven't used it with MIDI sync, no experience there). > > Some things are a bit annoying at the beginning but you get used to it = (pedal handling, > > green/yellow lights). > >=20 > > On the other hand, there are some great features for the money like: > > - three stereo loops + stereo aux send > > - loop length > > - nice extra commands with extra foot switches > > - useful all-in-one-box > >=20 > > And for a lot of things there are actually work-arounds you woulnd't th= ink possible first > > (feedback control, multiply..). > >=20 > > So, Scott, my suggestion: print out the recommended time settings (see = below), go to a music > > shop and try it out if it works for you. > > Then let us/me know what you think doesn't work. > > ;-) > >=20 > > best regards > > Buzap > >=20 > > RECOMMENDED BASIC TIME SETTINGS RC-50 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > SINGLE MODE. > > # LOOP SYNC: OFF > > # GUIDE: OFF > > Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF. (Even if it's d= own: check it again, > > because switching patches could give it a different default value). > > # PHRASE1-3: TEMP SYNC: OFF > > Perform this for each PHRASE. > >=20 > > MULTI MODE > > * GUIDE VOLUME: OFF > > * LOOP SYNC: OFF > > * For each PHRASE(1-3): TEMPO SYNC: ON (!!!)=20 > > (Make sure you don't accidentally hit the TEMPO PEDAL.) > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - =C3=9Cberall, wo DSL verf=C3=BCgbar ist! > > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > >=20 > > --=20 > > GMX DSL-Flatrate 0,- Euro* - =C3=9Cberall, wo DSL verf=C3=BCgbar ist! > > NEU: Jetzt bis zu 16.000 kBit/s! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ferrara Brain Pan >=20 > http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com >=20 >=20 > "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." > = =20 > Noel Scott Engel >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 19:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B78E73BECD; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:26:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Actually, a Windows or Mac max patch will work in either platform. Once=20= made into a VST, it becomes locked into the OS in which it was=20 compiled. I think that is what you mean in your second sentence. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > From: "Per Boysen" >> >> Are you saying you have to CONVERT a Max patch created in Max/Windows=20= >> before you can use it in Max/OSX? That's bad. I thought Max is saving=20= >> your work in a platform independent document format? > > I MAX patch created in Windows will only work as a Windows VST, to my=20= > knowledge, not in MAC. I would have to send my MAX patch to someone=20 > with MAX on a Mac, and they could convert to a Mac compatible VST. At=20= > least I think this is how it works! > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 19:31:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2A53BED5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:31:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:31:42 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 5, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Are you sure you can save a max patch "as VST"? Isn't VST quite=20 > another plug-in format than normally used in Max? I know you can save=20= > plug-ins created in Max, as for example the excellent Pluggo suite,=20 > but I've never heard that should be the same as Steinbergs format VST? The plugins you compile in max run as VST through pluggo....and yes,=20 pluggo runtime is available for free > > If you have Max installed, will you really have to save your patch as=20= > a plug-in? you can save your patch as a plugin or even a standalone application. > I have always thought you simply save it as "a work document for Max".=20= > And I have also presumed that, since a couple of years, such a "Max=20 > work document" may be opened either from Max in Windows or from Max in=20= > OSX. Is that correct? Max can be opened, edited, created by either windows or mac. correct... > One thing I really appreciate in Ableton Live is that documents as=20 > well as "als" files (time-stretch and pitch data) may be opened,=20 > edited and saved on both OSX and XP with no compatibility issues. same with max patches. both platforms use the same objects. some third=20= party add on objects are only available in one or the other platform. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 19:47:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04413BED5; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hLdPJKcNA+SjOipW8cZbhwaZxKAtrOrw8Q83r7UQ89gkoRnIMddBzDTgHyOiEMd+JZKFi76wcMdBdEYdBngdOWVu9iwQyIIlP+YGfkzplPzYwVKEoamS53fUoBpBMpqAf64YbUMOSf8w5qupym9cG59DbLVLXWzQzfwnE9udICQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:47:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) On 5 okt 2006, at 21.31, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> I have always thought you simply save it as "a work document for >> Max". And I have also presumed that, since a couple of years, such >> a "Max work document" may be opened either from Max in Windows or >> from Max in OSX. Is that correct? > > Max can be opened, edited, created by either windows or mac. > correct... Phiew... thanks! :-) I use almost solely OSX software, but since Mobius appeared I also keep a Windows XP license on the side. It's good to know Max is truly cross platform so l can keep it on my shopping list (if Mobius should not go OSX, enabling me to use it with Numerology - but I guess there's not much hope for that) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 20:23:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 161773BECC; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:23:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:23:19 +0000 (UTC) you are quite welcome. I am completely OSX, as well. Numerology looks very cool....but I love my max/msp..... As Kris has noted, while raising two kids, maintaining a relationship=20 with his wife, and having a full-time job. He made his vst host....in a=20= very short period using his free time. It does exactly what he wants it=20= to do, the way he wants to do it. Defining the term "flexible software=20= instrument." But here is the big plus: He realized how relatively clear cut it is,=20 so he took and expanded on the knowledge gained from constructing the=20 host, and is now making his own audio patches, and making them into=20 plugins....delays, pitch transposers, et al Mobius to mac would be awesome....(I know, I've said it before)....but=20= until then, I'm very happy with the loopers I've constructed. I've=20 recently added overdubbing loopers with pitch transposition and=20 degradation on the feedback channels. Too much fun. Also: Regarding Zoe's problem. the midiparse object in max routes=20 specific midi data to specific outlets, putting everything in its own=20 place. so, if midi data artifacts were being generated in the wrong=20 place, they would not get through to the end of that stream....I had=20 this problem before, when I used to do more midi control, but midiparse=20= fixed it. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 5, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Phiew... thanks! :-) I use almost solely OSX software, but since=20 > Mobius appeared I also keep a Windows XP license on the side. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 5 22:46:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6AD23BEC2; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c6e8d0$337fe860$96f49643@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <4692675.1160073189596.JavaMail.root@web20> Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:47:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:46:27 +0000 (UTC) The reality is that *every* last product out there, at whatever price point, will pose logistical problems, and in most cases will have at least one feature that works exactly the opposite of what you'd like it to. Making a choice seems to be mostly about learning which interface is the best fit both ergonimically and mentally, and which one has the best balance of features for it's price point. There are some days that all I loop with is a short delay and manipulate the feedback and input gate. Other times I really like using all the advanced features of my EDP. At this point, I know beyond a doubt that the EDP gets me to most of the places I need to go. I'd love for it to be stereo, but a Vortex on the output of the EDP still gets me pretty far along. Good luck . . . make a decision and make some music man! Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" To: Cc: "Ferrara Brain Pan" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: RC50 Latency issues (failure to build in features that are included on comparably or lesser priced models) I don't believe that this statement is true. What features are included on lesser priced models? Feedback on a delay unit? ---- Ferrara Brain Pan wrote: > This is worthwhile info... > > Nevertheless, I have to question whether or why any consumer would feel willing to pay $500 > (unless you've got that kind of money to toss around carelessly) for a piece of equipment which > you then have to spend time getting used to its annoyances, and developing workarounds for its > design limitations (failure to build in features that are included on comparably or lesser priced > models)... I can find plenty of things in life to get frustrated over without having to pay scarce > money for the privilege... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 02:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC373BEB9; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <244c01c6e8eb$bb7b81f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> <22c301c6e8a4$b3d9bdf0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <18DFDDAA-CF78-4756-8336-AC5C22043229@gmail.com> <1b1798d984762aef554c14f91e49e7aa@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete... Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:04:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:04:20 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > As Kris has noted, while raising two kids, maintaining a relationship with his wife, and having a full-time job. He made his vst host....in a very short period using his free time. It does exactly what he wants it to do, the way he wants to do it. Defining the term "flexible software instrument." Of course, I had one of the best MAX mentors around...YOU!! For two weeks I called and emailed Jeff like he was 1-900-HOT-MAXX :) And I can't go without thanking Stefan, who is also another MAX genius and has helped me streamline my new Hartungian Interval Stacker...a patch (which I will eventually convert to VST) that constructs any chord or set of intervals, like Dominant 7b9b5, or stacked minor 2nds, whole tones, etc, just by playing the root note.....amazing fun. > Mobius to mac would be awesome....(I know, I've said it before)....but until then, I'm very happy with the loopers I've constructed. I've recently added overdubbing loopers with pitch transposition and degradation on the feedback channels. Too much fun. Yeah, the patch with degradation is freakin's awesome. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 07:40:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728523BEB3; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6EWRTz2VCMjB+mrTc4/ilUmKkV41mYABRxB/1GvXWO2SqcL9shcmxWjgtyHB1punWPLZt9z45I/I58UcCqEvoAFWfMng4VOXIVUG/xEW7GXSUIF5nofOx1qx91rtAaK/T9v4A1p/BnU3mVsPQBuAIV+ltqJdhBq1DkWWVFZ5l5g= ; Message-ID: <20061006074010.51876.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP more loops/feedback issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Yes i gotcha now great tips and valuable info man thank you!! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > > I have > >> ran into the > >> problem you describe many times. What I do is to > >> make sure I always > >> have the feedback function assigned to that > actual > >> expression pedal > >> in at least one patch with an "harmless" function > - > >> like for example > >> Overdub. If I don't play anything I can press a > >> short Overdub only to > >> recall the patch that has feedback assigned to > the > >> expression pedal. > > > On 5 okt 2006, at 08.33, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > so if i understand correctly you assign a value of > 127 > > on the overdub button for example and press it > shortly > > to reset the controller? > > No. I'm talking about the FCB "PADS" assignment of > particular FCB > PATCHES. > > When I press my foot at the overdub button the FCB > is doing two > things: (1) Sending the MIDI Note for "Overdub" and > (2) recalling the > pad assignments of that patch (since you call up a > patch by pressing > a button), > > In my EDP rig I have different functions assigned to > expression pedal > 2 in different patches. But since I know that when I > press the undo > button I will also recall a patch that is using > expression pedal 2 > for EDP Feedback. So if I recently called up a patch > where I the > expression is used pedal for something different > (like for example > tweaking the tempo division of the MIDI Clock beat > sync LFO of my > filterbank) and suddenly discover that "oh, shit - I > forgot the EDP > Feedback at 88 % and now all my music is > vanishing!!!! HILFE - > HILFE!" ...he, he... what I can do in that > situation is to quickly > press undo two times (on/off) without playing > anything, only to make > the expression pedal 2 start sending the EDP > Feedback data instead of > the Filterbank data. Then I push down the toe to > maximize feedback > and get back to whatever I was doing. > > > > >> Another strategy I have developed to stay out of > >> such trouble, and > >> also to be able to loop faster and more fluently, > is > >> to double up > >> most function over many controller buttons. > >> Especially the feedback > >> functions. I like to have both expression pedals > and > >> twistable knobs > >> or faders assigned to the same parameter. Then I > can > >> simply reach for > >> the most immediate way to achieve feedback or > >> whatever. > > > > this sounds cool,but it could create problems as > > well...don´t know if i am understanding it right > could > > you give me a more specific example? > > > Ok. Three examples: > (1) Let's take that catastrophe scenario from > above. I have a little > hand mixer beside the laptop (Faderfox) and some of > the faders and > knobs are sending the same MIDI cc data that the FCB > expression pedal > does send. So I can use either the pedal or a knob > or a fader. > > (2) A typical example would be if I'm working in a > FCB BANK where I > have no patch button ("pad", as the FCB manual calls > them) that > brings up the particular MIDI cc I want for the > expression pedal. > Then I simply reach out a hand and twist a knob - > because that knob > is always sending this particular CC data. > > (3) In Mobius there are many times when I'm working > on one track (the > selected track, equals one EDP in a multi EDP rig) > and find that I > want to adjust feedback of a loop playing on a > different track > (another EDP). Then it's handy to have hardware > knobs directly > addressing feedback (and other functions) directly > on different tracks. > > In Mobius there are both Feedback and Secondary > Feedback and I like > to set it up to use them both. The Secondary > Feedback can have any > setting because it only kicks in when loops are in > Overdub, Multiply, > Substitute etc mode. The normal Feedback is usually > set to 100 % and > I use it for fade outs or for manually creating > volume patterns in > loops. > > All the best > > per > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 08:23:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD393BEB9; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wfasAjZCEKezs2et6JJyRuq57lKxDP0mRTY0kPJvyW95RTvB8odaC4UVWik05R/kU06YlyXPh+pi0osGQyBW6vphWve52tywgPpmCjCjD03gq1Ozv5HsZbiBzHITrZq7BstLgX76vVdGpaA/HiM+KfYosr0G77/UARQRD57eBuw= ; Message-ID: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 01:23:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003101c6e892$1ac44f20$800101df@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ygYMD.A.mo.zJhJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Great thank you Tony!I love to see work enviroments please people feel free to direct me to pictures of your studios gear etc.i am moving soon to a new house where i am setting a studio into a room which is all cement and concrete at the moment, so i am gathering ideas. By the way,if anybody has experience about setting up studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is better carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg boxes please)let me know. cheers Luis --- Tony K wrote: > A few weeks ago I had the chance to move my studio > stuff from my attic (too hot in the summer, too cold > in the winter) to a 'regular' room. And, since I > started having a grand old time with my > cell-phone-camera, I took a bunch of pics and posted > them. > > So, for your amusement... > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/90137639@N00/sets/72157594303469033/ > > It's not quite done, I need to change the paintings > so I can hang a few of the guitars I never play but > want to look at. And the mics, and a CD rack, and > find a place for all the spare cables... litle > things. > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 08:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3C53BED0; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MqPU1kPZ0gBqjliH7HJM9sZvyBtNMGZWr2eRd8Pde/kg4fSWUStmsfj7N3LfIFofk585ECZbyEHxlwKu9YcaUttFkoV1qx38iK+PRMUq9KT4NsYnapg5ilIkATaTL1Po6OdhaErku20gy/pTzchByPl66dqSFjWuUMgPt//jvck= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:36:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:36:50 +0000 (UTC) On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting up > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is better > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg boxes > please)let me know. I've been to many studios and what usually matters most, when the facility is not designed and built according to studio acoustics, is that the room should be big enough (to minimize reflection interference - may be worked around a bit by using small monitors, though). It's also good to keep big objects in the room. Tony's Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but even hard surfaced big objects are good for splitting up reflections to prevent standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance character. The rooms listening environment is really the most important factor because even top speakers can't deliver what you need them for if placed in a bad room. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 6 19:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FD23BEC1; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iO2P/I+z7HNDT6HRPLI+SuyUUE8vaQaUQbPBi29/Ss76lWNvghMtEAT+S3yuZVl4ve7/MXJ7Cj1UKRdC9WdRKA8cynqo/qX96vWC1tGY3HT/y5GTJbWQyMCT44jAgpd68SxBXPArUdWAEs70TnItLXZNctMSIuEfWWMVE22ODF0= ; Message-ID: <20061006193010.8384.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Per! Now i am caught in a dream just look at this gorgeous magical place: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dreal%2Bworld%2Bstudios%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-500%26x%3Dwrt&w=540&h=271&imgurl=www.recordproduction.com%2Freal-world-studios1.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recordproduction.com%2Frealworld.htm&size=113.1kB&name=real-world-studios1.jpg&p=real+world+studios&type=jpeg&no=2&tt=495&oid=96eb9b3ae21088f2&ei=UTF-8 Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > up > > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is > better > > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg > boxes > > please)let me know. > > > I've been to many studios and what usually matters > most, when the > facility is not designed and built according to > studio acoustics, is > that the room should be big enough (to minimize > reflection > interference - may be worked around a bit by using > small monitors, > though). It's also good to keep big objects in the > room. Tony's > Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but > even hard > surfaced big objects are good for splitting up > reflections to prevent > standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance > character. The rooms > listening environment is really the most important > factor because > even top speakers can't deliver what you need them > for if placed in a > bad room. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:19:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C71E3BECC; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dOeh9xhZmhZZio7oHvs78vzP31KfVws8VCdRGEYOkipNYAKDhIqu6nUk14jgcJ1CRImo8ME0+k18hbALeZHBQ9yqbCOeuINM1GXPOukI5WxtAi2VV9NOnb0U3phMylv8fbVRfP5Ob+jxkMq8IWyaYWALrGncwUkVhFYkeXVggp4= ; Message-ID: <20061006221802.41618.qmail@web27709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 23:18:02 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061006082314.71413.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Sound on Sound have a forum specifically for discussing studio design and building - it's at http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=DESIGN - the Studio SOS features each month usually have handy bits and pieces of information about room layouts, acoustic treatment and so on. - Tony PS. Yes, the photos were good too :) --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Great thank you Tony!I love to see work enviroments > please people feel free to direct me to pictures of > your studios gear etc.i am moving soon to a new > house > where i am setting a studio into a room which is all > cement and concrete at the moment, so i am gathering > ideas. > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > up > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is better > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg boxes > please)let me know. > cheers > Luis > > > > > --- Tony K wrote: > > > A few weeks ago I had the chance to move my studio > > stuff from my attic (too hot in the summer, too > cold > > in the winter) to a 'regular' room. And, since I > > started having a grand old time with my > > cell-phone-camera, I took a bunch of pics and > posted > > them. > > > > So, for your amusement... > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/90137639@N00/sets/72157594303469033/ > > > > It's not quite done, I need to change the > paintings > > so I can hang a few of the guitars I never play > but > > want to look at. And the mics, and a CD rack, and > > find a place for all the spare cables... litle > > things. > > > > -- > > -==-=-=- > > Tony > > http://bigtony.blogspot.com/ > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:42:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C76043BECC; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,274,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="964765101:sNHT21540472" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20061006193010.8384.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061006193010.8384.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9e93ea80adf75952d678868bd42d2a62@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS? (WAS OT: STUDIO PICS) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:35:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <8LISB.A.I1B.TQxJFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Greetings earthlings and other pilgrims, While the previous OT discussion was being kicked about, it suddenly dawned on me that this question is perhaps NOT so off-topic for loopers per se. As often as not, perhaps even more often, looping is a solitary occupation not needing a large room for a whole band to fit in -- even though some of us do have a lot of gear to consider. And, sometimes being the painfully weird, experimental noise-makers that we often are, practicing in the family living room (or even out in the garage) does not make much of a recipe for domestic bliss. A safe and sane sonic sanctuary situated somewhere in the sideyard (or the south 40) sounds like a simply splendiferous idea. I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. The funny thing is, in this area you can legally build up to a 200 square foot building without any expensive building permits -- which suddenly makes it not only a rather feasable but even an affordable idea -- no permits, fees, licenses and I can more-or-less build it myself (with a little help for parts where I either don't own the tools or have adequate knowledge). Since, as the discussion last mentioned that "SIZE MATTERS" (as well as shape and sound baffling/controlling surfaces), what sort of layout might anyone here recommend for a room of that size. I was a thinking of a just a 16' x 12.5' rectangle. But, I sort of surmised that perhaps those dimensions might not be ideal. I was thinking of modifying a regular garage/shed kit of some sort -- so trying to build the perfect seven-sided saucer-shaped audio igloo thingy won't work either. I gotta think WITHIN THE BOX as it were. Do any of you have any expert thoughts about shapes and sizes for MUSICALLY pleasing recording rooms at or under 200 square feet and are still fairly rectangular? This is not the sort of thing one can log on ans ASK THIS OLD HOUSE is it. So . . . I am asking you all. Cheers, Best regards, Ted Killiansmall monitors, >> though). It's also good to keep big objects in the >> room. Tony's >> Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but >> even hard >> surfaced big objects are good for splitting up >> reflections to prevent >> standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance >> character. The rooms >> listening environment is really the most important >> factor because >> even top speakers can't deliver what you need them >> for if placed in a >> bad room. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 02:58:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11A353BECD; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1631149985.1160172521802.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:08:41 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. Cc: "L.A. Angulo" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 66.169.252.252 by mail.charter.net; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:08:41 -0400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Greetings earthlings and other pilgrims, While the previous OT discussion was being kicked about, it suddenly dawned= on me that this question is perhaps NOT so off-topic for loopers per se. A= s often as not, perhaps even more often, looping is a solitary occupation n= ot needing a large room for a whole band to fit in -- even though some of u= s do have a lot of gear to consider. And, sometimes being the painfully wei= rd, experimental noise-makers that we often are, practicing in the family l= iving room (or even out in the garage) does not make much of a recipe for = domestic bliss. A safe and sane sonic sanctuary situated somewhere in the s= ideyard (or the south 40) sounds like a simply splendiferous idea. I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure besid= e my home here in Oregon. The funny thing is, in this area you can legally = build up to a 200 square foot building without any expensive building permi= ts -- which suddenly makes it not only a rather feasable but even an afford= able idea -- no permits, fees, licenses and I can more-or-less build it mys= elf (with a little help for parts where I either don't own the tools or hav= e adequate knowledge). Since, as the discussion last mentioned that "SIZE MATTERS" (as well as sha= pe and sound baffling/controlling surfaces), what sort of layout might anyo= ne here recommend for a room of that size. I was a thinking of a just a 16' x 12.5'= rectangle. But, I sort of surmised that perhaps those dimensions might not= be ideal. I was thinking of modifying a regular garage/shed kit of some so= rt -- so trying to build the perfect seven-sided saucer-shaped audio igloo = thingy won't work either. I gotta think WITHIN THE BOX as it were. Do any of you have any expert thoughts about shapes and sizes for MUSICALLY= pleasing recording rooms at or under 200 square feet and are still fairly = rectangular? This is not the sort of thing one can log on ans ASK THIS OLD = HOUSE is it. So . . . I am asking you all. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- "L.A. Angulo" wrote:=20 > Thanx Per! > Now i am caught in a dream just look at this gorgeous > magical place: > http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fima= ges.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dreal%2Bworld%2Bstudios%26ei%3D= UTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-500%26x%3Dwrt&w=3D540&h=3D271&imgurl=3Dwww.recordproduct= ion.com%2Freal-world-studios1.jpg&rurl=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.recordproduction.= com%2Frealworld.htm&size=3D113.1kB&name=3Dreal-world-studios1.jpg&p=3Dreal+= world+studios&type=3Djpeg&no=3D2&tt=3D495&oid=3D96eb9b3ae21088f2&ei=3DUTF-8 >=20 > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >=20 > > > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > > up > > > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is > > better > > > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg > > boxes > > > please)let me know. > >=20 > >=20 > > I've been to many studios and what usually matters > > most, when the =20 > > facility is not designed and built according to > > studio acoustics, is =20 > > that the room should be big enough (to minimize > > reflection =20 > > interference - may be worked around a bit by using > > small monitors, =20 > > though). It's also good to keep big objects in the > > room. Tony's =20 > > Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but > > even hard =20 > > surfaced big objects are good for splitting up > > reflections to prevent =20 > > standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance > > character. The rooms =20 > > listening environment is really the most important > > factor because =20 > > even top speakers can't deliver what you need them > > for if placed in a =20 > > bad room. > >=20 > > Greetings from Sweden > >=20 > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 07:21:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8E653BED0; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:20:55 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c6e9e1$21a1e7d0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1631149985.1160172521802.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:21:15 +0000 (UTC) I`m just an apartment dweller contemplating moving and finding more space. I used to have lots of links to good studio building sites but they`re all lost. Lately I`ve found some stuff Besides the Design forum posted by Tony; "Sound on Sound have a forum specifically for discussing studio design and building - it's at http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=DESIGN - the Studio SOS features each month usually have handy bits and pieces of information about room layouts, acoustic treatment and so on." here are some more; http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html http://www.realtraps.com/articles.htm http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/education/index.asp http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/tech_background/TE-14/teces_14.html http://www.tweakheadz.com/home_studio_construction.htm http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_new_approach_personal/ http://recordinginstitute.com/R2KREQ/cottage.htm http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/education/studio_acoustics.asp http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/acoustic/studio.html http://www.johnlsayers.com/Studio/index.htm Acoustic/Design Forums http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=26;hardset=0;start_point=0;DaysPrune=0 http://homerecording.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=20 http://messageboard.tapeop.com/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=fa3062132c7a6de03ed399f6eadf3b3e http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=2 http://www.recordingproject.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=29&sid=841c6cfd83514ddf4799dcbf7c5561c8 http://forum.studiotips.com/ Books http://www.amazon.co.uk/Recording-Studio-Design-Philip-Newell/dp/0240519175/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Studio-Construction-Budget-F-Alton-Everest/dp/0070213828/ref=pd_sbs_b_4/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acoustics-Project-Studio-Mitch-Gallagher/dp/159863285X/ref=pd_sim_b_3/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Home-Recording-Studio-Construction-Build/dp/1598630342 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Recording-Spaces-Philip-Richard-Newell/dp/0240516273/ref=pd_sim_b_4/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Basic-Home-Studio-Design-S/dp/1860742726/ref=pd_sbs_b_1/026-5311152-3482866?ie=UTF8 http://www.recording.org/books/ Good luck! ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Cc: "L.A. Angulo" Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:08 AM Subject: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. Greetings earthlings and other pilgrims, While the previous OT discussion was being kicked about, it suddenly dawned on me that this question is perhaps NOT so off-topic for loopers per se. As often as not, perhaps even more often, looping is a solitary occupation not needing a large room for a whole band to fit in -- even though some of us do have a lot of gear to consider. And, sometimes being the painfully weird, experimental noise-makers that we often are, practicing in the family living room (or even out in the garage) does not make much of a recipe for domestic bliss. A safe and sane sonic sanctuary situated somewhere in the sideyard (or the south 40) sounds like a simply splendiferous idea. I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. The funny thing is, in this area you can legally build up to a 200 square foot building without any expensive building permits -- which suddenly makes it not only a rather feasable but even an affordable idea -- no permits, fees, licenses and I can more-or-less build it myself (with a little help for parts where I either don't own the tools or have adequate knowledge). Since, as the discussion last mentioned that "SIZE MATTERS" (as well as shape and sound baffling/controlling surfaces), what sort of layout might anyone here recommend for a room of that size. I was a thinking of a just a 16' x 12.5' rectangle. But, I sort of surmised that perhaps those dimensions might not be ideal. I was thinking of modifying a regular garage/shed kit of some sort -- so trying to build the perfect seven-sided saucer-shaped audio igloo thingy won't work either. I gotta think WITHIN THE BOX as it were. Do any of you have any expert thoughts about shapes and sizes for MUSICALLY pleasing recording rooms at or under 200 square feet and are still fairly rectangular? This is not the sort of thing one can log on ans ASK THIS OLD HOUSE is it. So . . . I am asking you all. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Thanx Per! > Now i am caught in a dream just look at this gorgeous > magical place: > http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dreal%2Bworld%2Bstudios%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-500%26x%3Dwrt&w=540&h=271&imgurl=www.recordproduction.com%2Freal-world-studios1.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recordproduction.com%2Frealworld.htm&size=113.1kB&name=real-world-studios1.jpg&p=real+world+studios&type=jpeg&no=2&tt=495&oid=96eb9b3ae21088f2&ei=UTF-8 > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 6 okt 2006, at 10.23, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > > > By the way,if anybody has experience about setting > > up > > > studio walls floors proper acoustics(which is > > better > > > carpet,wood? etc.) but cost effectively(no egg > > boxes > > > please)let me know. > > > > > > I've been to many studios and what usually matters > > most, when the > > facility is not designed and built according to > > studio acoustics, is > > that the room should be big enough (to minimize > > reflection > > interference - may be worked around a bit by using > > small monitors, > > though). It's also good to keep big objects in the > > room. Tony's > > Spaghetti Sofa is a good bass trap for example, but > > even hard > > surfaced big objects are good for splitting up > > reflections to prevent > > standing frequency peaks in the rooms resonance > > character. The rooms > > listening environment is really the most important > > factor because > > even top speakers can't deliver what you need them > > for if placed in a > > bad room. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 10:49:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7AD43BECF; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u+dOMRoUSG3MIrNqxZ60beeTepgmcLGXtxPEBwd/t7hcRMWrDHTKLVlm28YbA9jCJH2vWHeX3x/4FKT6QpwmUCFPYAwGhHTuvPlZ5NaGYVSQZIYZBQstKzT2jUqWPW5Ym4UHXzGyk3cOF8PQtGF3pHRCs0dnKaZYukkQGNgiUxU= ; Message-ID: <20061007104925.14315.qmail@web27713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:49:24 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: OT: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS? (WAS OT: STUDIO PICS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e93ea80adf75952d678868bd42d2a62@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ted, Again, I'd refer to the Sound on Sound forum (http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=DESIGN) - usually, this is people adapting existing rooms (or even building rooms within rooms), but the general ideas and advice on proportions and layout will be the same. The thread on Studio Design & Acoustics might be helpful (for materials as well as design). - Tony ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 15:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDEE13BED2; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4527C46A.2080807@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:14:50 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: IDEAL SMALL STUDIO SPECIFICATIONS FOR LOOPERS -- Was: Re: OT: Studio pics. References: <1631149985.1160172521802.JavaMail.root@fepweb09> <000a01c6e9e1$21a1e7d0$0200000a@remwavesnet> In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e9e1$21a1e7d0$0200000a@remwavesnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Whoa...thanks for all this info! I'm soon moving into a house which has a little 8 x 10 space for a studio so this stuff is quite On Topic, for me. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I`m just an apartment dweller contemplating moving and finding more > space. > I used to have lots of links to good studio building sites but they`re > all lost. > Lately I`ve found some stuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 7 17:58:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 109323BECA; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,276,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="289541800:sNHT24604920" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:49:14 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions -- Lowell MA 10.13.06 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090201.4527EA65.0021,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.113/2006-07-26 Resent-Message-ID: <2ZuvgC.A.QqG.6q-JFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The next Immersions event will occur on Friday, October 13 at 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell 978 452 8138 http://www.119gallery.org/ The ensemble for this performance is Doctor T -- Video Mixing Dean Stiglitz -- Electro Flute Michael Bloom -- Electric Bass Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and percussion Also performing will be J'ambiance: Rob Carbone, guitar Joe Moreau, keyboard loops J'ambiance uses sonic manipulation to alter the fluid dynamics of venue & audience by shifting and swirling the tidal patterns of sound to engulf the listener in shimmering aqueous warmth. As you float upon the waves of sound, images are projected that are sure to engage your visual cortex. The combination of sight & sound create a setting conducive to an inward meditation. The only things missing are you & your desire to surrender yourself to such mental fluidity in a vast sonic ocean. Suggested donation is $5. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 01:24:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3904E3BEC2; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:34:32 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: updating my myspace tunes... To: Message-id: <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <3o8GtB.A.17.xMFKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I'm planning to replace the current four tracks on my MySpace page (Ataraxia II, How Could I Know?, Expoze and Phoenix). So I invite you to download these tracks now so they can be forever yours. :-) If you have a particular favorite, let me know and I can try to replace it with something similar or from the same sessions. Many happy returns! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 01:26:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8726D3BED0; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:37:09 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: updating my myspace tunes... To: Message-id: <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:26:41 +0000 (UTC) It would help if I include the URL, huh...? :-) UNDO: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic David From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:34 PM Subject: updating my myspace tunes... > Hi - > > I'm planning to replace the current four tracks on my MySpace page (Ataraxia > II, How Could I Know?, Expoze and Phoenix). So I invite you to download > these tracks now so they can be forever yours. :-) > > If you have a particular favorite, let me know and I can try to replace it > with something similar or from the same sessions. > > Many happy returns! > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 02:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C37983BECD; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:40:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Phil Keaggy article and looping album Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:38:29 +0000 (UTC) A visitor to the Looper's Delight web site pointed out a new article on Phil Keaggy in Guitar Player: http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=15473 He talks about his looping, as well as his new album "Roundabout" which is all looping. Has anybody heard that one? What do you think? There are some clips on his web site: http://philkeaggy.com/music/roundabout.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 12:34:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F78B3BEC7; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reveived: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BBE323E762 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:34:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:34:09 +0200 Message-Id: <343116398@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: apaulo@web.de To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: question: midi-switches to switch audio ? Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:34:12 +0000 (UTC) hi all! in my live looping setup i have 3 string instruments and 4 mics connected to a mixer. i would like to mute/ unmute them with something like a midi switch. is it possible to switch audio channels with a midi switch like nobels ms 4 connected to the inserts=3F=20 andi paulo =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F Viren-Scan f=FCr Ihren PC! Jetzt f=FCr jeden. 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Gleich testen! http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/freescan/=3Fmc=3D022222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 15:10:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C666A3BECF; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GDRHbxkOWoNkydn/AhSxEFVHqkvjVjP4Wx9d01/EdwUXooyHW5ALz/Noa/SNiN6uJpdiuvfU76ROK1mRQv4DtqdeZmpVm7eLVQCGi9uuD9qZ37NjFmQ7xNowbrborEZd9zhK94JFvhZ4MmOkSmwRusKOGJMxTPGSzd0uA3Jd/so= In-Reply-To: <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: US standard power plug? (Y2K6) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:10:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi List, What's the most usual power plug - the grounded or the not grounded model? I'm going over from Europe and need to know what power plug adapter I should bring to be able to snag 110 v for my rig (yes all devices are "self adapting" to 220 or 110 v, no trafo needed). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 17:29:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128E53BECD; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gRZue5y6+y8jsZmFQZ+c7x8YlxlpCoNP4nOI9hotaESj7Ag2nxRNOkLSaiqpSOPWVe5pRdFmFwxXgrpEzgz29Jwr45z2iVvUTiNcuEPGCxyfbWB03tfrXajt6uDgLcZ/mA3907npH0X2zYibbCvbi3N+scHA+L0v5HFu3+FcUhI= ; Message-ID: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:29:01 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: what small looper to buy To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites amoung the cheapest ? best regards Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 17:34:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BDC23BED2; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YEgDaxJjMOAtzje9ipZkFUIql3xYZ7K1bM8nFVMTQw437Sd7dTZUREdHQi47dvBQy0Te9VegVe/rt7lUGQ9DXU4qFcPZ8T1+lrRFOCLihMIN13zLXo6UyXG6SafP3Dd0XAkEXkmibZS6DUXYHGAQCqMTebeFswzNl3dm2qZI4Ac= Message-ID: <588ce11d0610081034x6eaaf060hb7b313c85a143f82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:34:00 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: US standard power plug? (Y2K6) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Since nobody else has responded, I'll take a shot: I'd say grounded--while some older homes have ungrounded plugs, I'd be surprised if a public venue didn't offer a grounded outlet. Seems like that would be a code violation. Of course, it would still be prudent to bring a 3 prong to 2 prong adaptor (I've heard them called "cheaters") just in case. While it's not likely, there is a serious risk injury if you use a 2 prong adaptor if there are other electrical wiring issues. There was a news story here a while back of a minister who was electrocuted while using a wireless mic at a baptism. My recollection is that while the baptismal font played a role, the real problem was that the whole church had been grounded to an electric water tank heater, and it created a closed loop. On 10/8/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi List, > > What's the most usual power plug - the grounded or the not grounded > model? I'm going over from Europe and need to know what power plug > adapter I should bring to be able to snag 110 v for my rig (yes all > devices are "self adapting" to 220 or 110 v, no trafo needed). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 17:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79AEA3BEDB; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c7VEDxkN9MMzjD7w2mGHB2+NBNMUb20sdX74dPO7Y6cBJO6Wu+EVBrL7Z988Gno5hJNGvsI/ImFUWdQoba1BjutdSl00VwVAs/Ja60P0rPMLIsRm3oSfpSAcKqnpRdxamyoHjCyPS78TvRsrChf/kqOXpSVLnFpPtUn4RLU6OlU= ; Message-ID: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061007025817.E53083BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-FRJwB.A.9wH.GdTKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 17:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Ted writes: I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. ... Ted, funny you should mention that... I'm building a studio right now in my backyard, though Seattle only allows 120 square feet, not 200. My 18 year old daughter arrives from South Africa in December, she'll be here for a year, after which the room becomes my music studio. I am getting around the boxiness of the room by cutting off the front corners, making it more hexagonal in shape (kinda). Another non-boxy treatment I'm doing is leaving the ceiling cathedral-shaped as opposed to flat. I put some photos up on a Flickr site to keep my daughter posted on the progression. If you're at all inclined to view them, the site is located at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vsyevolod/ The photos show the first 2 1/2 weeks of work, though I've got another week or two in since that time and have just finished the roof, sheathing, and window installation. If all goes well, I'll have it done in another month or so. Let me know if you have any questions, probably best to do this offlist. The best part is that all this has been quite doable as a one-man project. I was considering doing an electrical heating element under the floor, as I've done for clients in the past. One of my worries was of creating a massive electrical noise field for my audio cables to pick up. Another was the distrust of having so much electrical current running underfoot all the time, the same distrust that keeps me from using things like an electric blanket. So it will be an oil-filled radiator for this room. Bamboo floors, drywall for the walls, and cedar T&G for the sloped ceiling. Should be sweet... Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 19:07:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298F93BED0; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45294C32.5060704@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:06:26 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0Qqt0C.A.l1C.ZxUKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Ever considered a circular dwelling, like a Yurt or a Dome? There are several places in Oregon that manufacture Yurts that are not too expensive and can be easily customized I believe. I've been led to believe that the acoustics in a dome are quite nice as well (though maybe not for recording, I don't know). Kevin > > Ted writes: > >I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside >my home here in Oregon. ... > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 19:28:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E46A3BED9; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <45294C32.5060704@minds-eye.org> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <45294C32.5060704@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4cbff3f8dcc1ed3566b03f99060df4b0@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:28:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) > --Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to=20 > have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of=20= > all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sweet. I love ramana maharshi....I've got a photo of him on my wall. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 20:28:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8743BED3; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tu2jtnCWWofi90qb7P3eC4bi5No0zpPOwSSozep+zmvqg7NSgHtaDwUS7DSQK67gzTzO/MHqr+3LEyORbZzVD+lh5jy+bXJ5UMz/gsxMZLj3z3iP3WAX0/JZoL582hA4QCddksuFVZ3nZPrn0O9ekcR786p/FpHJ2CBohWRdMms= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0610081034x6eaaf060hb7b313c85a143f82@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061001070523.15588.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <383C8382-D6AC-477E-BD35-7CD0ED971DBA@gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061001093409.01bdf440@tiscali.co.uk> <000301c6ea79$e82c5640$0affff0a@hppav> <000701c6ea7a$45c536a0$0affff0a@hppav> <588ce11d0610081034x6eaaf060hb7b313c85a143f82@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2BDECB24-5DCD-4F74-BBBF-F41A699DCA4D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: US standard power plug? (Y2K6) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:28:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:28:53 +0000 (UTC) On 8 okt 2006, at 19.34, Art Simon wrote: > Since nobody else has responded, I'll take a shot: I'd say > grounded--while some older homes have ungrounded plugs, I'd be > surprised if a public venue didn't offer a grounded outlet. Seems > like that would be a code violation. Thank you, Art. I'll get a grounded universal travel multi plug tomorrow. As well as a stronger fuse for running my FCB1010 on 110 v instead 220 v and a 110 v / 50 Hz (we use 60 Hz here) power supply for my Really Nice Compressor. Everything else should be set already. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 20:39:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22633BED5; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zAFcNnwfyeDBp7DLvZC77DPz3blLnpjDdXsHro+pXYbXx+mTqmADwU0SfyAXeDyMM2s55T/UxF8y2MoKiAiXcaxuvPg/GSLjGdv9e7shnA/QcrS17NER4XBS9uG1k0Quhh7/zzCTMfeN3frw1E2J4rCyUFAo7JHTjUQt2kHgqcM= ; Message-ID: <20061008203920.1235.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Reply-To: margaret noble Subject: MIDI SYNCHING DEVICE RECS. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-493505570-1160339960=:614" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-493505570-1160339960=:614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello tech/looping list! i would love a rec. i have an echoplex, a machine drum, and a nord modular. i would like to synch these all up to one midi clock. ex: i would like to make an echoplex loop and then drop in a beat from my drum machine that kicks in in perfect time with the echoplex. and then i would like to send a synth sequence from my nord that drops in time with echoplex and machine drum. i would love your tech input on how to do this. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!! --0-493505570-1160339960=:614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello tech/looping list!
 
i would love a rec.
 
i have an echoplex, a machine drum, and a nord modular. i would like to synch these all up to one midi clock. ex: i would like to make an echoplex loop and then drop in a beat from my drum machine that kicks in in perfect time with the echoplex. and then i would like to send a synth sequence from my nord that drops in time with echoplex and machine drum.
 
i would love your tech input on how to do  this. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!!
--0-493505570-1160339960=:614-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 22:07:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFCA83BECF; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,277,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1011079272:sNHT29256368" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--498089354 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:07:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:07:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--498089354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Stephen, Thanks for the input. I viewed the pics. Looks like a pretty sharp setup. Too bad it couldn't have been a little bigger than 120 square feet. Here, for my 200' I'm planning on using a standard garage/shed kit that I can buy (pre-cut and complete) for for less than a couple of grand -- and then modify it enough to make it work for me. That's all I can afford. I'm on the tightest of budgets to begin with. So, cutting off the outside corners of the structure probably wouldn't work -- I don't think. I could make triangular corner cabinets (or insulating panels or something, eventually) to cut off the corners on the inside though . . . possibly. Like you, I've also planned to leave the ceiling open-beam. I wish you luck on your project. Let me know how it goes when it's done. Bamboo floors? Sweet! Part of what I was looking for was also some advice of how to arrange out those 200 square feet. What sorts of "standing wave" or other problematical sonic tendencies would a 16'x12.5' room have? What if the room was 10'x20'? Or 8'x25"? Or r even 6'x33.3' What different sorts of frequencies would be emphasized in such spaces? How (by changing the dimensions) could I "tune the room" per se? Essentially these kits can be had in almost any RECTANGULAR configuration. Part of the problem is those doggone PARALLEL WALLS of a rectangle. Acoustically it would be best to avoid all symmetry and/or parallel surfaces to avoid any problem frequencies. Unfortunately I gotta use a rectangle of some sort. What's gonna work best and suit as a studio with that as a given? In answer to Kevin Cheli-Colando, Ahhh, then there are those yurts, (igloos, domes and teepees, whatever). Let's first get practical and then a little bit philosophical. Regarding those ALTERNATIVES, there are are a few other practical things to consider -- firstly I probably won't live here forever. Will it be a "normal" enough space that might add to my home's value (or at least not detract from it) in the eyes of some future potential buyer/user. A circular "Yurt" as was suggested (or a geodesic dome or other shape could substitute for that matter), is only gonna have a rather narrow market appeal when I'm gone. Plus, it'd probably drive my neighbors nuts -- and I'm a genuinely considerate and "nice" guy (or try to be). I've camped in places in and around Oregon where they have Yurts though. They really are quite nice spaces. I get one whenever I can at a campground. And, if I lived waaaay out in the woods -- or wished to be more extrovert and "in-your-face" in my inner, spiritual, intellectual, political non-conformity . . . sure, damn the neighbors and let the "freak flag" fly. But that's not me. Let them get to know me -- and then think I'm a total "kook" for my ideas, music and/or art. Let them hear me voice an opinion -- and then think I'm a "crank" for my values and beliefs. But, I am NOT my house. I don't want them to think I'm an idiot because I've created a notorious eyesore in the middle of the neighborhood. There's an old Middleastern proverb: "Eat whatever you want. But dress as others do." I believe there is a certain kind of genuine practical wisdom contained in that little epigram. Sometimes it's handy to simply have a safe place that mostly looks like all the other ones on the street -- no shiny 4-wheeled "bling" in the driveway, sattelite dish, or fancy landscaping outside (ostentatiously advertising of rampant materialist/consumerist tendencies within) -- nor flying Tibetian flags, rainbow "shroom" banners and peace sign stickers on an old Volvo or VW bus out front (readable as a pretty good indication of hippies, ex-hippies, pseudo-hippies or hippie wannabes within) -- no giant-wheeled truck/SUV, with confederate flag and fully-loaded gun-rack equipped window and stickers saying "Charlton Heston is MY President" parked in the front yard (as I saw locally just the other day) shouting to all the world that the true backbone of America (morons) lives here. Personaly, I'd rather be a little more anonymous. Everyone is someone else's "moron." I'd rather they get to know me before they "dis" me. I have a wife and kids to consider -- and I enjoy a quiet life at home (among mostly friendly neighbors) too. Life has enough stress as it is. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 8, 2006, at 10:37 AM, S V G wrote: > Ted writes: > > I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure > beside > my home here in Oregon. ... > > Ted, funny you should mention that... I'm building a studio > right now in my backyard, though > Seattle only allows 120 square feet, not 200. My 18 year old daughter > arrives from South Africa > in December, she'll be here for a year, after which the room becomes > my music studio. I am > getting around the boxiness of the room by cutting off the front > corners, making it more hexagonal > in shape (kinda). Another non-boxy treatment I'm doing is leaving the > ceiling cathedral-shaped as > opposed to flat. I put some photos up on a Flickr site to keep my > daughter posted on the > progression. If you're at all inclined to view them, the site is > located at: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/vsyevolod/ > > The photos show the first 2 1/2 weeks of work, though I've got > another week or two in since > that time and have just finished the roof, sheathing, and window > installation. If all goes well, > I'll have it done in another month or so. Let me know if you have any > questions, probably best to > do this offlist. The best part is that all this has been quite doable > as a one-man project. > > I was considering doing an electrical heating element under the > floor, as I've done for > clients in the past. One of my worries was of creating a massive > electrical noise field for my > audio cables to pick up. Another was the distrust of having so much > electrical current running > underfoot all the time, the same distrust that keeps me from using > things like an electric > blanket. So it will be an oil-filled radiator for this room. Bamboo > floors, drywall for the > walls, and cedar T&G for the sloped ceiling. Should be sweet... > > Stephen > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-1--498089354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Stephen, Thanks for the input. I viewed the pics. Looks like a pretty sharp setup. Too bad it couldn't have been a little bigger than 120 square feet. Here, for my 200' I'm planning on using a standard garage/shed kit that I can buy (pre-cut and complete) for for less than a couple of grand -- and then modify it enough to make it work for me. That's all I can afford. I'm on the tightest of budgets to begin with. So, cutting off the outside corners of the structure probably wouldn't work -- I don't think. I could make triangular corner cabinets (or insulating panels or something, eventually) to cut off the corners on the inside though . . . possibly. Like you, I've also planned to leave the ceiling open-beam. I wish you luck on your project. Let me know how it goes when it's done. Bamboo floors? Sweet! Part of what I was looking for was also some advice of how to arrange out those 200 square feet. What sorts of "standing wave" or other problematical sonic tendencies would a 16'x12.5' room have? What if the room was 10'x20'? Or 8'x25"? Or r even 6'x33.3' What different sorts of frequencies would be emphasized in such spaces? How (by changing the dimensions) could I "tune the room" per se? Essentially these kits can be had in almost any RECTANGULAR configuration. Part of the problem is those doggone PARALLEL WALLS of a rectangle. Acoustically it would be best to avoid all symmetry and/or parallel surfaces to avoid any problem frequencies. Unfortunately I gotta use a rectangle of some sort. What's gonna work best and suit as a studio with that as a given? In answer to Kevin Cheli-Colando, Ahhh, then there are those yurts, (igloos, domes and teepees, whatever). Let's first get practical and then a little bit philosophical. Regarding those ALTERNATIVES, there are are a few other practical things to consider -- firstly I probably won't live here forever. Will it be a "normal" enough space that might add to my home's value (or at least not detract from it) in the eyes of some future potential buyer/user. A circular "Yurt" as was suggested (or a geodesic dome or other shape could substitute for that matter), is only gonna have a rather narrow market appeal when I'm gone. Plus, it'd probably drive my neighbors nuts -- and I'm a genuinely considerate and "nice" guy (or try to be). I've camped in places in and around Oregon where they have Yurts though. They really are quite nice spaces. I get one whenever I can at a campground. And, if I lived waaaay out in the woods -- or wished to be more extrovert and "in-your-face" in my inner, spiritual, intellectual, political non-conformity . . . sure, damn the neighbors and let the "freak flag" fly. But that's not me. Let them get to know me -- and then think I'm a total "kook" for my ideas, music and/or art. Let them hear me voice an opinion -- and then think I'm a "crank" for my values and beliefs. But, I am NOT my house. I don't want them to think I'm an idiot because I've created a notorious eyesore in the middle of the neighborhood. There's an old Middleastern proverb: "Eat whatever you want. But dress as others do." I believe there is a certain kind of genuine practical wisdom contained in that little epigram. Sometimes it's handy to simply have a safe place that mostly looks like all the other ones on the street -- no shiny 4-wheeled "bling" in the driveway, sattelite dish, or fancy landscaping outside (ostentatiously advertising of rampant materialist/consumerist tendencies within) -- nor flying Tibetian flags, rainbow "shroom" banners and peace sign stickers on an old Volvo or VW bus out front (readable as a pretty good indication of hippies, ex-hippies, pseudo-hippies or hippie wannabes within) -- no giant-wheeled truck/SUV, with confederate flag and fully-loaded gun-rack equipped window and stickers saying "Charlton Heston is MY President" parked in the front yard (as I saw locally just the other day) shouting to all the world that the true backbone of America (morons) lives here. Personaly, I'd rather be a little more anonymous. Everyone is someone else's "moron." I'd rather they get to know me before they "dis" me. I have a wife and kids to consider -- and I enjoy a quiet life at home (among mostly friendly neighbors) too. Life has enough stress as it is. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 8, 2006, at 10:37 AM, S V G wrote: Ted writes: I am contemplating building a small, detatched studio room/structure beside my home here in Oregon. ... Ted, funny you should mention that... I'm building a studio right now in my backyard, though Seattle only allows 120 square feet, not 200. My 18 year old daughter arrives from South Africa in December, she'll be here for a year, after which the room becomes my music studio. I am getting around the boxiness of the room by cutting off the front corners, making it more hexagonal in shape (kinda). Another non-boxy treatment I'm doing is leaving the ceiling cathedral-shaped as opposed to flat. I put some photos up on a Flickr site to keep my daughter posted on the progression. If you're at all inclined to view them, the site is located at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vsyevolod/ The photos show the first 2 1/2 weeks of work, though I've got another week or two in since that time and have just finished the roof, sheathing, and window installation. If all goes well, I'll have it done in another month or so. Let me know if you have any questions, probably best to do this offlist. The best part is that all this has been quite doable as a one-man project. I was considering doing an electrical heating element under the floor, as I've done for clients in the past. One of my worries was of creating a massive electrical noise field for my audio cables to pick up. Another was the distrust of having so much electrical current running underfoot all the time, the same distrust that keeps me from using things like an electric blanket. So it will be an oil-filled radiator for this room. Bamboo floors, drywall for the walls, and cedar T&G for the sloped ceiling. Should be sweet... Stephen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-1--498089354-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 8 23:43:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91F463BED2; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:43:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:43:24 +0000 (UTC) I would build as big a room as possible within your dimension/costs=20 limitation...rectangle will be fine, if you can't afford otherwise.=20 Worry about tuning it afterwards, there are so many great resources for=20= tuning a room out there.....pre-made bass traps, diffusion panels http://tinyurl.com/rddzo http://tinyurl.com/r63rw With a limited budget, consider the least expensive biggest rectangle=20= you can afford, with space for a small control room, if possible, and=20 then drop some dough on acoustic treatment. My .02. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 8, 2006, at 3:07 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Essentially these kits can be had in almost any RECTANGULAR=20 > configuration. Part of the problem is those doggone PARALLEL WALLS of=20= > a rectangle. Acoustically it would be best to avoid all symmetry=20 > and/or parallel surfaces to avoid any problem frequencies.=20 > Unfortunately I gotta use a rectangle of some sort. What's gonna work=20= > best and suit as a studio with that as a given?= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 00:29:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91663BED5; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what small looper to buy Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:29:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them for sale any day now. I have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there were a smaller looper out there. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "rune fagereng" To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: what small looper to buy > Hi ! > > If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" > looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites > amoung the cheapest ? > > best regards Rune F > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:05:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0C63BED3; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:04:56 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Few items up for sale here first Message-ID: <20061009020456.GA3502@monkeyman.funkytown> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:05:21 +0000 (UTC) I have 2 items that I thought may be of interest here before I go the ebay route. ROLAND M-BD1 BASS and DRUM MODULE: Single rack space with a good collecetion of bass and drum samples. I have 2 and don't need the one - $100 +shipping Small review: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00 +shipping Little bit of info: http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html Thanks, Rick bs@tanawana.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:16:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2913BECA; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=ix.netcom.com; b=QL3KpS+6P94PS8UeZ9+5zGy1AKDomTNNnQbRQCDWyv9xN/kZxny/UXhpDgmULypZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <1829776.1160360190479.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:16:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: roguemus@ix.netcom.com Reply-To: roguemus@ix.netcom.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Few items up for sale here first Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 15d7f0cd6eb2d81b74cfc7ce3b1ad11381c87f5e51960688c1e638f4ab9ef3bf417f8e4a36f3043b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Don't have too much demand for these at the store, I think you'd do better on eBay Dick Michaels -----Original Message----- >From: rick >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 10:04 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Few items up for sale here first > > >I have 2 items that I thought may be of interest here before I go the >ebay route. > >ROLAND M-BD1 BASS and DRUM MODULE: >Single rack space with a good collecetion of bass and drum samples. >I have 2 and don't need the one - $100 +shipping >Small review: >http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html > >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00 +shipping >Little bit of info: >http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Data/Roland/M-BD1-rev.html > >Thanks, >Rick >bs@tanawana.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 02:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E56FB3BECC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wcbSoMbQVqR5XmUAITkpW72Mfu0pSwcwt2ExSnAvDz7/6tSbA7rwuRJXR7tTB68wqihZJf//VQqmFdvcjUG74FYQ8wJ1C0YEfF9rmdePJVgWnVvj6zoDhsN9K5cNcrJ3soD9aCuz2j6tBQl+aHSvwugfsooB6wlFNo7md8NY++Y= ; Message-ID: <20061009022020.30377.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Murchison Subject: Re: what small looper to buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The only thing smaller is going to be the Zvex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, but it's not nearly as powerful. Krispen Hartung wrote: Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them for sale any day now. I have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there were a smaller looper out there. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "rune fagereng" To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: what small looper to buy > Hi ! > > If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" > looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites > amoung the cheapest ? > > best regards Rune F > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The only thing smaller is going to be the Zvex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, but it's not nearly as powerful.

Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them for sale any day now. I
have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically
like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there
were a smaller looper out there.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "rune fagereng"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: what small looper to buy


> Hi !
>
> If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive"
> looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites
> amoung the cheapest ?
>
> best regards Rune F
>
> www.runefagereng.com
> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
> Mob: 917 95 867
>
>



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Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1319559088-1160360420=:26498-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 03:51:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F423BECF; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 03:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:51:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? In-Reply-To: References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-544E621 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 03:51:03 +0000 (UTC) >Hey Ted, A friend built a good sounding studio in his garage, one of the things he did was strap the walls about half way down (parallel to the floor) so the walls had a slight v. If I remember, it was only about 1/2 inch but no more than an inch. that way all the sound reflected to the floor or the ceiling. He also built sort of triangular wedges to fit into the top corners of the room. I did some recording in that space years ago and it was surprising to me what a difference that made to the echos usually found in a square room. Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 04:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8D0F3BEC7; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 04:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gjwADPrh9Bkg1Nd1EEB2cd+LAmAmRfxFmA/djTM4XqapF6clD2cNmGrdO2uoVZzMRow49BqMgOnUUkGRpWoJSvLrN12dsoaWEFBu+F9wxz9ws9hPsdW+VN/NokAzNeT5X/q3vjM+m1Nr/TaQJ6pc0StZWil75T14Ddgkho8fUSo= ; Message-ID: <20061009043440.70473.qmail@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ferrara Brain Pan Subject: Re: what small looper to buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061009022020.30377.qmail@web51003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 04:34:42 +0000 (UTC) don't forget about 'el niño' of the loopers: Little Latin Loopy Lu... esta más pequeño que un chihuahua! aye ay-aye! --- Scott Murchison wrote: > The only thing smaller is going to be the Zvex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, but it's not nearly as > powerful. > > Krispen Hartung wrote: Small? Boss RC-2. They should be releasing them > for sale any day now. I > have one on order from Musician's Friend as a backup unit. It's basically > like a RC-20, but the size of a guitar stomp box....I'd be curious if there > were a smaller looper out there. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rune fagereng" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:29 AM > Subject: what small looper to buy > > > > Hi ! > > > > If I were to buy a "small and not too expencive" > > looper. I saw Boysens list. Are there any favorites > > amoung the cheapest ? > > > > best regards Rune F > > > > www.runefagereng.com > > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. Ferrara Brain Pan http://www.formsofthingsunknown.com "Let the great constellation of flickering ashes be heard..." Noel Scott Engel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 08:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71E4F3BEC7; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SeVVb1MIiy9bP7oCRpUWzCbd8QwPOyrmm+OY1OcK6hXwshgX7qxNNRw0hfeOYOIn3+w+MJstGNtucDkFBRvhpET0wx9HjDqKXwfU/XB4v0018xdDw6q36A+sDwEKqOngEwIEvXti3Cb7pyEkRy93HzxNN1I6qDr7phIBV1djHGM= ; Message-ID: <20061009083606.4055.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:36:08 +0000 (UTC) I also found this: http://www.readyacoustics.com/index.php?go=home-theater.home --- paul wrote: > > >Hey Ted, > > A friend built a good sounding studio in his garage, > one of the things he > did was strap the walls about half way down > (parallel to the floor) so the > walls had a slight v. If I remember, it was only > about 1/2 inch but no more > than an inch. that way all the sound reflected to > the floor or the ceiling. > He also built sort of triangular wedges to fit into > the top corners of the > room. I did some recording in that space years ago > and it was surprising to > me what a difference that made to the echos usually > found in a square room. > > Paul > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 09:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FD523BECF; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHi0KUWBTopDAgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009102626.01c42688@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:32:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? In-Reply-To: References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:33:50 +0000 (UTC) >Part of what I was looking for was also some advice of how to >arrange out those 200 square feet. What sorts of "standing wave" or >other problematical sonic tendencies would a 16'x12.5' room have? >What if the room was 10'x20'? Or 8'x25"? Or r even 6'x33.3' What >different sorts of frequencies would be emphasized in such spaces? >How (by changing the dimensions) could I "tune the room" per se? It depends on the ratio between the length and the width. Simple ratios will have stronger resonances. e.g. 10'x20' would be the worst, a simple 1:2 ratio. 11'x19' would be much better. ...and then of course the height is also significant, the same principle applies. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 10:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 419F93BECF; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHHCKUWBTopDAgcCDAcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009105730.01ad1288@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:32:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy article and looping album In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:38:25 +0000 (UTC) >A visitor to the Looper's Delight web site pointed out a new article >on Phil Keaggy in Guitar Player: >http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storycode=15473 > >He talks about his looping, as well as his new album "Roundabout" >which is all looping. Has anybody heard that one? What do you think? > >There are some clips on his web site: >http://philkeaggy.com/music/roundabout.html I've only heard the clips, but didn't think this made it as an essential looping album. Every track, and there are many, seems to be made in exactly the same way, layering up a backing and then soloing over it, and being made the same way they can hardly help but tend towards a similarity of musical impression. Not that the individual tracks aren't good in isolation, but to compile them all together like that just creates pleasant aural wallpaper. If Phil Keaggy is famous enough to bring looping more public recognition (I wouldn't know, I only heard of him here at LD) then this album might create a useful reference point for some of us to explain our music. andy butler (doesn't anyone else have an opinion?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 11:13:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F03A33BED0; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009105730.01ad1288@tiscali.co.uk> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061007193358.036d56a0@annihilist.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061009105730.01ad1288@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A076319-687E-47F3-9BA7-9DE0BDEF7450@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy article and looping album Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:13:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:13:18 +0000 (UTC) i haven't heard the record in question, but i have produced a record for phil ( and a few unreleased tracks..) i know him to be one of the really most amazing musicians around. i would tend to agree with you about him using a similar mode of looping. and again, i haven't heard these tracks in particular.. but i have heard him take a baroque ground bass melody and play it backward so that it can be played properly with all the attacks going the wrong way and them play stuff that bach might have been proud of over that, add ebow melodies and volume swell textures that were just achingly beautiful.. and then after the show i'd ask (assuming he'd worked it out in advance) "hey phil what was that?" and he'd basically have no recollection of it. it was just spontaneous. i have also heard him sit down with an acoustic guitar in a dressing room and play some counterpoint (sort of late baroque meets ralph vaughn williams) and watched him retune the strings several steps (without really missing a beat) and keep playing whatever tune it was in a radically new tuning. again, when i asked him about it later, he was just improvising. i doubt on a sonic innovation level he won't ever be able to hang with folks like torn (who has lots of respect for phil.. we've talked about a record that has both of them on it in the past...) but as a musician, he's almost in a league of his own. my two cents On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:32 AM, a k butler wrote: ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/monasterystudio > I've only heard the clips, but didn't think this made it as an > essential looping album. > Every track, and there are many, seems to be made in exactly the > same way, layering up a backing and then soloing over it, and being > made the same way they can hardly help but tend towards a > similarity of musical impression. Not that the individual tracks > aren't good in isolation, but to compile them all together like > that just creates pleasant aural wallpaper. > > If Phil Keaggy is famous enough to bring looping more public > recognition (I wouldn't know, I only heard of him here at LD) then > this album might create a useful reference point for some of us to > explain our music. > > andy butler > (doesn't anyone else have an opinion?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 13:48:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2843A3BED0; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,283,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="143653292:sNHT18945920" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Thread-Index: AcbrqaQJ54p8PMaxR/Oh/3E0FD19UA== From: "Veda, Qua" To: "a k butler" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2006 13:48:46.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[A48E56F0:01C6EBA9] Resent-Message-ID: <7TBtND.A.xCC.CNlKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi, A rectangular space, with non-multiple ratios of length/width/height, and good speaker placement, can be a very good space and one that it easy to treat with acoustical products. Non-rectangular shaped room can be good, but much less predictable and more difficult to figure out solutions for (at least mathematically). =20 A cube shaped room is the worst possible shape. 8 x 10 x 12 is are all divisible to 2, and partially by 4. Ideally, use ratios like Golden Section, or Pi, to help you find dimention Perhaps adding 'sound board' and extra sheet rock to one wall would be enough to provide better dimensions. >From the main listening position, you can have a friend hold up a mirror and move along the walls. Where ever you can see the speakers (either one) in the mirror from your listening position you'll want to put some acoustical treatment to avoid direct reflections. =20 Hope these simple tips are useful -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0AA43BED5; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:42:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Thank you. This makes sense to me and is helpful. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 9, 2006, at 6:48 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: > A rectangular space, with non-multiple ratios of length/width/height, > and good speaker placement, can be a very good space and one that it > easy to treat with acoustical products. Non-rectangular shaped room > can be good, but much less predictable and more difficult to figure out > solutions for (at least mathematically). > > A cube shaped room is the worst possible shape. 8 x 10 x 12 is are > all divisible to 2, and partially by 4. > Ideally, use ratios like Golden Section, or Pi, to help you find > dimention > > Perhaps adding 'sound board' and extra sheet rock to one wall would be > enough to provide better dimensions. > > From the main listening position, you can have a friend hold up a > mirror > and move along the walls. Where ever you can see the speakers (either > one) in the mirror from your listening position you'll want to put some > acoustical treatment to avoid direct reflections. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:45:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 639053BEDB; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20061008234300.01c4ff68@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:45:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Thank you. This sounds easy to do and not terribly (additionally) expensive to building the room "normally". Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 8, 2006, at 8:51 PM, paul wrote: > A friend built a good sounding studio in his garage, one of the things > he did was strap the walls about half way down (parallel to the floor) > so the walls had a slight v. If I remember, it was only about 1/2 inch > but no more than an inch. that way all the sound reflected to the > floor or the ceiling. He also built sort of triangular wedges to fit > into the top corners of the room. I did some recording in that space > years ago and it was surprising to me what a difference that made to > the echos usually found in a square room. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 14:53:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2E13BEE1; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,284,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="834778086:sNHT2089603976" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061009102626.01c42688@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20061008173709.12213.qmail@web57006.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061009102626.01c42688@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:53:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy. That's the sort of advice I was looking for. Best regards, Ted Killian On Oct 9, 2006, at 2:32 AM, a k butler wrote: > It depends on the ratio between the length and the width. > Simple ratios will have stronger resonances. > e.g. 10'x20' would be the worst, a simple 1:2 ratio. > 11'x19' would be much better. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 16:28:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F77A3BEC2; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 487919131 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: roguemus@ix.netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Few items up for sale here first Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 17:28:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6EBBF.EA4882EF" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6EBBF.EA4882EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00<< rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r hand off, especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got me out of a tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt8, octopus), patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform software updates on kit that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (p3 at our rehearsal studio, octopus, novation supernova...) just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could get on one floppy! it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can adjust the tempo- which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig for a travelling gig. 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>YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER
>Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a flop= py and take with you
>and use it to then play through any sound modules. $= 125.00<<

rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r= hand off, especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got = me out of a tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt= 8, octopus), patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform softwa= re updates on kit that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (= p3 at our rehearsal studio, octopus, novation supernova...)

just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could ge= t on one floppy!

it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can= adjust the tempo- which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig = for a travelling gig.

I bought one of the last new ones, years ago, & paid = probably four times that for it.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6EBBF.EA4882EF-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 18:29:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97823BEDA; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:17:47 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Few items up for sale here first Message-ID: <20061009181747.GA912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:29:17 +0000 (UTC) It actually does play the sequences back. Used to use it live like this for a while as a backup band feeding my sound modules. Surprised more units like this aren't made to just do that easily. On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 05:28:12PM +0100, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER > >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you > >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00<< > > rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r hand off, > especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got me out of a > tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt8, octopus), > patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform software updates on kit > that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (p3 at our rehearsal > studio, octopus, novation supernova...) > > just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could get on one floppy! > > it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can adjust the tempo- > which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig for a travelling > gig. > I bought one of the last new ones, years ago, & paid probably four times > that for it. > > duncan. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Any views or opinions expressed in this > e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, > nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. > > MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from > external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct > and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. > > MTV Networks Europe > *************************************************************************** > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 18:55:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923473BEDA; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:55:53 -0500 From: David Small Subject: Another MDF-2 Up for Sale In-reply-to: <20061009181747.GA912@tanawana.zoominternet.net> X-Sender: cpp6@mail.uh.edu To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20061009134321.04747120@mail.uh.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <" <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA"@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A2FA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Group: I agree about the usefulness of the Yamaha MDF-2. I've had one for about four years and used it up until I switched from sequencing to an entirely live presentation. Hate to see it gather dust, so I am putting mine up for sale too, along with manual and power supply, for the ridiculously low price of $125 plus shipping. BTW, it does have tempo control. Questions welcome. Thank you. David Small Pearland, Texas At 02:17 PM 10/9/2006 -0400, you wrote: >It actually does play the sequences back. Used to use it live like this >for a while as a backup band feeding my sound modules. Surprised more >units like this aren't made to just do that easily. > > >On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 05:28:12PM +0100, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >YAMAHA MDF-2 MIDI DATA FILER > > >Nice unit that you can put your midi files on a floppy and take with you > > >and use it to then play through any sound modules. $125.00<< > > > > rick, if I didn't already have one of these, I'd bite y'r hand off, > > especially at that price. more than once, the datafiler has got me out of a > > tricky situation. I use it to back up sequences (p3, alesis mmt8, octopus), > > patches (proteus modules/XL7, memorymoog) & perform software updates on kit > > that's too far from (or too big to get near) a computer (p3 at our > rehearsal > > studio, octopus, novation supernova...) > > > > just think how many different FCB1010 setups you could get on one floppy! > > > > it also plays back sequences itself- as I recall, you can adjust the tempo- > > which is very useful if you're trying to minimise a rig for a travelling > > gig. > > I bought one of the last new ones, years ago, & paid probably four times > > that for it. > > > > duncan. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > > be privileged. 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Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:23:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:23:45 +0000 (UTC) I'll be in New York this week....lots of loopage (except Sunday night) ************************ Festival of New Trumpet http://fontmusic.org/ Thursday, October 12, 2006 Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley (quarter-tone trumpet/laptop and electric guitar) The Cornelia Street Caf=E9 29 Cornelia Street NYC 10014 (212)989-9319 *************************** Saturday, October 14, 2006 Goodbye Blue Monday 1087 BROADWAY - BUSHWICK, BROOKLYN NEW YORK 11221 718.453.6343 Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley (quarter-tone trumpet/laptop and electric guitar) with David Bartel drum set/ laptop http://www.goodbye-blue-monday.com/ This is going to be an exciting gig, first meeting (musically) with=20 David. He is an exciting player with a great take on technology. For More Info on David: http://www.deepsoundchannel.com/ ********************* Sunday, October 15, 2006, 6 pm, FREE Downtown Music Gallery Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley (quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar) 342 Bowery [between E. 2nd & E. 3rd Streets], New York, NY 10012-2408 Phone: (212) 473-0043 ********************* Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 21:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 849EE3BEE2; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:13:20 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlists for the Past Four Weeks To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <452ABB70.2080409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <34BkJB.A.AiE.o3rKFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, I'm playing catch up on these four playlists: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060914.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060921.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060928.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061005.html === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #494 September 14, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Radio Sputnik" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Crystal Machine" by Tim Blake on EGG Records and released in 1977. ARC - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tim Blake Midnight Crystal Machine (Egg) Sonic Solutions Inc. Pax Romana IV SSI (Azra/Chlorophyll) Sonic Solutions Inc. Pax Romana V SSI (Azra/Chlorophyll) Different Skies 2004 Snap To Focus Arcs & Angles (Atomic City) ARC Steam Radio Sputnik (DiN) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ARC Transmit 1 Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Radio Sputnik Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Who Walks Behind You Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Octane Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Transmit 2 Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Arc-Angel Radio Sputnik (DiN) ARC Relay Radio Sputnik (DiN) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #495 September 21, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Blaze" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Autobahn" by Kraftwerk on Vertigo Records and released in 1974. ARC - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kraftwerk Mitternacht Autobahn (Vertigo) Mind1Spiral Purple Fuzzy Monkeys The 1 is Silent (Atomic City) Taking Over the Moon Palancar May 6, 2006 Ambient Train Werk Series Volume One (Blue Water) Sensitive Chaos Bullet Train Leak (Subsequent) x1 Project Arpeggio Guitar The Asymmetrical Collection (none) Una Voce and Chandra Part 1 * Hearts of Darkness (none) Jade Shankar 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ARC Blaze Blaze (DiN) ARC Corrosion Blaze (DiN) ARC Trial in Scarlet Blaze (DiN) ARC Klangwand Blaze (DiN) ARC Silent White Light Blaze (DiN) ARC Sparked Blaze (DiN) ARC Mother Blaze (DiN) ARC Pulse Train Blaze (DiN) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #496 September 28, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on ARC. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Arcturus" on DiN Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Music for Amplified Keyboard Instruments" by David Borden on Red Records and released in 1981. ARC - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== David Borden The Continuing Story Music for Amplified Keyboard of Counterpoint, Instruments (Red) Part Six Richard Pinhas Tikkun Part 1: The Metatron (Cuneiform) Unification of the Name Synthetic Block A Science To Forget The Opposite of Staring Into Space (Ironing Board) Scott Kungha Dengsen Unseen Children at Mourning Guests Who Never the Edge of Time Arrived (Secret Sky) Ian Boddy Nucleotide Chiasmata (DiN) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== ARC Arcturus - Part 1 Arcturus (DiN) ARC Arcturus - Part 2 Arcturus (DiN) ARC Helicon Arcturus (DiN) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. Show #497 October 5, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Art of Imagination" on AKH Records and Groove Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Forever Blowing Bubbles" by Clearlight on Virgin Records and released in 1975. Remy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Clearlight Jungle Bubbles Forever Blowing Bubbles (Virgin) VA [Craig Padilla Shadowed Transition E-dition #14 (Groove) and Skip Murphy] Ian Boddy Elemental Elemental (DiN) Synthetic Block Shoal The Opposite of Staring Into Space (Ironing Board) Markus Reuter 3-4 Days Before the Trepanation (Lotuspike) Echo Rudy Afrian Midnight Fantasy Moonwater (Lotuspike) Angel, part 2 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Remy Image One The Art of Imagination (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Two TAOI (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Three TAOI (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Four TAOI (AKH and Groove) Remy Image Five * TAOI (AKH and Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Connected" on AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Bhakti Point" by the recently departed Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records and released in 1987. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 9 21:39:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77A833BEF4; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--413332185 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Recycle Collective gig in London this thursday... Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:39:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--413332185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello Loopists, muchos loopage at the Recycle Collective on Thursday - me, pedal =20 steel guitarist BJ Cole and sax/flautist Theo Travis, playing solo =20 duo trio loopalicious improv stuff. Gorgeous music guaranteed! :o) gig details - date - Thursday October 12th time - doors 7pm, music 8pm (restaurant upstairs open before that =20 though for lovely food) venue - Darbucka World Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, Clerkenwell, =20 London, EC1 4JZ tickets - =A37 / =A35 concessions (NUS/OAP/MU - please bring proof). nearest tube - Farringdon. hope to see you there! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-9--413332185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Loopists,

muchos loopage at the = Recycle Collective on Thursday - me, pedal steel guitarist BJ Cole and = sax/flautist Theo Travis, playing solo duo trio loopalicious improv = stuff. Gorgeous music guaranteed! :o)=A0

gig details = -=A0
date - Thursday October 12th
time - doors 7pm, = music 8pm (restaurant upstairs open before that though for lovely = food)
venue - Darbucka World Music Bar, 182 St John's Street, = Clerkenwell, London, EC1 4JZ
tickets - =A37 / =A35 concessions = (NUS/OAP/MU - please bring proof).=A0
nearest tube - = Farringdon.=A0


hope to see you = there!=A0

= http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-9--413332185-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 01:15:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854543BEE6; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TQylJdeMtbCFo6xcfmmOAiHhVekXop6RpSj8KHZw61mAvYXgLBR5wpZjL64hY9NB; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220061021012327620@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.15.0 (Windows) From: "mungenast@earthlink.net" To: "scott hansen" Cc: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: FX blowing upRE: ot: random effect (broken digitech) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:23:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402cdc9821f5af9cda290d39c1d7a83f4a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.170 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:15:46 +0000 (UTC) That sounds more interesting than the sh*t that's going on with *my* gear -- these malfunctions are more inexplicable/intermittent than actually random: 1. a FazzFace that suddenly gets quieter and smaller-sounding in the middle of a gig, and with a fresh battery, too (My Rat did this once, and excercising the footswitch cured it totally, but that trick does not work on this Fuzz Face) 2. a Vortex whose 2 looping algorithms only loop when they feel like it, instead of the consistently entertaining performance they used to provide 3. a VF-1 whose best aand most useful (IMHO) amp preset suddenly has lost all of its spunk and "interestingness" AAAAARGH! There! I feel better already. Okay, no, I don't. (LOL) All 3 of these are happening at once. I am open to the metaphysical possibility that I am one of these unfortunate folks who transmit some sort of frequency that screws up anything more electronically complex than a wall clock > [Original Message] > From: scott hansen > To: > Date: 10/2/2006 12:37:05 PM > Subject: ot: random effect (broken digitech) > > my random effect is my digitech rp100 that i got in '01, sometimes it starts to > "freak out" and either the effects module will cycle through all the effects (the light flashes and the display switches real fast from one effect to next) or > the amp models will cycle through randomly. i've recorded it once, and it was > kind of interesting in its randomness. (has sort of an extreme tremolo effect in quick changing of effects/amp models) > unfortunately it happens when i'm trying to do something specific.... > i try to think of the old adrian belew comment of working w/ your gears quirks-i think > he was talking about one of his gtrs had a broken pu, so he kept using it , instead of replacing it (i think he talked about it being a real twangy sound-he used on one of his songs on one of his 1st solo albums back in 80's) > s--- > From root@mx1.kabelmat.biz Tue Oct 10 07:36:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3337 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:36:35 UTC Received: from mx1.kabelmat.biz (kabelmat.biz [217.160.202.187]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87BA3BEDE for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mx1.kabelmat.biz (Postfix, from userid 0) id 10FC12F45A5; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:27:53 +0200 (CEST) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com From: ebay@eBay.com Subject: eBay sent this message from brooks laura (laurapurp3) Reply-To: ebay@eBay.com Content-type: text/html Message-Id: <20061010062753.10FC12F45A5@mx1.kabelmat.biz> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Question about Item -- Respond Now
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C102F3BED2; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:47:39 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> Message-ID: <20061010124739.205460@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys > It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided @Andy: Maybe my message was a bit misleading... I haven't found a way to avoid the "hiccup", except playing over it (which doesn't bother me at all). I just wanted to say that - besides this "hiccup" at the begining- I haven't experienced any latency issues (the hiccup is NOT a latency issue, it is just a "temporary mute"!), if you use the settings I have recommended. >I haven't seen any way to determine the end of a loop, i.e. visually on the RC-50. Am I correct in that understanding? @Paul: Yes, that can be an issue. I usually "whisper" an almost not hearable sound at the and of the loop to mark the end, esp. with ryhthm beats. I'm not saying that the RC-50 is perfect except the "hiccup" (let's say again: "temporary mute at the first repetition of a recorded loop"). I think I would look for something else if I needed tempo change/sync and midi slave sync as main feature, and also for feedback control something else might work easier for you (though I have great feedback control with my RC-50 for my purposes). I don't think of it as a hassle that certain things just need getting used to on the RC-50. Just with every piece of gear or instrument you have, it needs passion, curiosity and patience to dive into its full potential. In this context, I find reading Andre LaFosse (www.altruistmusic.com) working with the EDP very inspiring. So, I'm not saying that the RC-50 is the right tool for everyone. I'm just saying it is a well prized tool with a lot of depth & possibilities in a nice all-in-one pedal board. Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 12:50:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBBBC3BED8; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:50:10 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20061010125010.205450@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: what small looper to buy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Yes the RC-2... I just got myself a Roland MicroCube mini-amp. Together with the RC-2, this would make a fantastic ultra-mobile setup... :-))) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 13:17:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E323BECD; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007d01c6ec6e$67e35ff0$16b2a8c0@GROSSER> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <23002082.1160069475662.JavaMail.root@web20> <20061010124739.205460@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:16:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:397775b7a70d9e9b11c0f2c5ded06394 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:44 +0000 (UTC) hi guys, has anybody tried the rc-2? how is the sound? anybody experienced the "hiccup" on the rc-2? all the best, tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: Re: RC50 End of Loop > Hi guys > >> It's great to know that the hiccup can be avoided > @Andy: Maybe my message was a bit misleading... I haven't found a way to > avoid the "hiccup", except playing over it (which doesn't bother me at > all). I just wanted to say that - besides this "hiccup" at the begining- I > haven't experienced any latency issues (the hiccup is NOT a latency issue, > it is just a "temporary mute"!), if you use the settings I have > recommended. > >>I haven't seen any way to determine the end of a loop, i.e. visually on >>the RC-50. Am I correct in that understanding? > @Paul: Yes, that can be an issue. I usually "whisper" an almost not > hearable sound at the and of the loop to mark the end, esp. with ryhthm > beats. > > I'm not saying that the RC-50 is perfect except the "hiccup" (let's say > again: "temporary mute at the first repetition of a recorded loop"). I > think I would look for something else if I needed tempo change/sync and > midi slave sync as main feature, and also for feedback control something > else might work easier for you (though I have great feedback control with > my RC-50 for my purposes). > > I don't think of it as a hassle that certain things just need getting used > to on the RC-50. Just with every piece of gear or instrument you have, it > needs passion, curiosity and patience to dive into its full potential. > In this context, I find reading Andre LaFosse (www.altruistmusic.com) > working with the EDP very inspiring. > > So, I'm not saying that the RC-50 is the right tool for everyone. I'm just > saying it is a well prized tool with a lot of depth & possibilities in a > nice all-in-one pedal board. > > Best regards > Buzap > > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 13:42:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D81C93BECA; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2e3e01c6ec71$fd938180$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061008172901.65302.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2a8e01c6eb39$fd8c2040$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20061010125010.205450@gmx.net> Subject: Re: what small looper to buy Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:42:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Exactly!!! A cut little combo. Those two and my new 6-string mandoline, and I could play a gig in a phone booth. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: what small looper to buy > Yes the RC-2... > > I just got myself a Roland MicroCube mini-amp. > Together with the RC-2, this would make a fantastic ultra-mobile setup... > :-))) > > Buzap > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 16:16:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2733BECC; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3853b244bc1acf5223f32d488f09a896@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: mac performance software Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:16:47 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Not sure if this was mentioned before or even if it's any "good" - I'll be checking it out when I have a minute - but thought I'd post it any way for those interested: << http://plasq.com/rax >> Any body using this? - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 18:46:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C745F3BECA; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h64yNhmmPK1POqek6cKrch+rdk1Z4TEhksN9r7kkSbWhKjcZ8iCLB+DQM9dcYvOCDS0c8WX2tnRAiHhq+l2CLzEtlQVWnq9v9k5riy5mfczVqWa145O4PVpYn2Qpd5yvCGpnqyOp7b6Cg/GZmWGGq4uBdh9Z94och0zVaNNoJOw= ; Message-ID: <20061010184608.49363.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:46:08 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: footswitch for electrix repeater To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I am looking for a footswitch for my repeater. I know the digitech can be used, this one is hard to get around my place. Please tell me, does anyone know if there are others, like boss who can be used ? best regards Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 18:49:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0844D3BED5; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MPCHtqGkEHQNtwbjstnW7kxLpdls2DZGDuGzF2mVvcXG+qR4R9tPHbJ/m9nh5/8V5k83fKTX6KyvC2iKn+N3yWGSJzfDsEWMyGXCJNpYtaxcq6MfE9vgWchQK/SS900UynOLi/L9lgGATvxyTjY6q+WtJLd7VlIjTcksDUntxbs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3853b244bc1acf5223f32d488f09a896@mac.com> References: <3853b244bc1acf5223f32d488f09a896@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C64A358-C9CF-442D-9F22-18DF8C798E14@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: mac performance software Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:49:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:49:46 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > << http://plasq.com/rax >> > > Any body using this? Hi Yes I have RAX. I have found it to be an excellent application for midi instruments and plug-ins... But, I have had less than stellar performance from it for running acoustic / mic / line-in stuff. I have not been able to figure out why, I suspect it might have something to do with Soundflower which I have installed to support a couple of other apps. It may also be my Firewire interface which might want to jump the sampling rate to high. Still trying to track down the problem. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 19:38:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6C083BED5; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lYdZGryNkB6o9Y39dYSH1U+ahRJlNjMU74x21HX3vKNDCndlFCJiy9GOCbWPaViFr0WsKK+S4DhCt9lVRpo5jC8k/5g69LAjzaz0Sa9jPjg8tbP0aj2YQqHN2K/9MfzaK6KTc+HjxO5HW7Y1WV87l8oSEEMY1I3yJaBQpl6qunw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061010184608.49363.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20061010184608.49363.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49394A6B-2A9B-4551-8F9A-3BD0F79271B1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: footswitch for electrix repeater Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:38:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:38:11 +0000 (UTC) On 10 okt 2006, at 20.46, rune fagereng wrote: > I am looking for a footswitch for my repeater. I know > the digitech can be used, this one is hard to get > around my place. Please tell me, does anyone know if > there are others, like boss who can be used ? You can use anything that sends the MIDI events the Repeater is hardwired to follow. At the end of the Repeater manual there is a MIDI chart. Just compare that list with the MIDI chart for the footswitch you want to evaluate. You may also use other MIDI pedals that do not send exactly what the Repeater needs, but then you need to put something between that "translates" - like for example a computer. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 19:43:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8A03BEDB; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c9IcfOLQXrgHAy82gX1Hoe0UusHpGiMBrr2lSUbMsIRjGSSAgBtG/kMETIUDjOKqERbcqAgXSDBPpKXixuRETQQqUTKvC8S6p5e8nE5ybu9oJzRx+rgJ3n9i2G8A9/GKUW1yuBbPsH6xFTEd8/1al/ycpnXl10K3kiVyQ3GsG0Y= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3C64A358-C9CF-442D-9F22-18DF8C798E14@gmail.com> References: <3853b244bc1acf5223f32d488f09a896@mac.com> <3C64A358-C9CF-442D-9F22-18DF8C798E14@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7CBB38FF-E199-447F-AD22-DEA2825CD76B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mac performance software Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:43:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) > On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > >> << http://plasq.com/rax >> I bought RAX to use with SooperLooer. To answer your question, I think it is "good". That means it does what you suspect a MIDI simple mixer and AU host to do. I can't say that it's better than AU Lab, though. AU Lab is free and comes on the Tiger DVD, look under "Developer". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 19:51:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 495E53BEE4; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jR1vS1yz7+WO9jxIoHDQBYEQjmEGTzBN5SKvBO3fB0XAujAW2o5pDe50uSvIHzTByCoP6XkA/wuQNl19P7KwlNkcwJy2ANbsZZV8thoxxrDxtFZ5gLHFejfuuv7azyj5JczMtrORHrvDVLVWPiC+aAQmktWa3O114+E/C0PJUc4= Message-ID: <913728d60610101251i219fffd8q7efe2bfc32da410d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:51:22 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: mac performance software In-Reply-To: <7CBB38FF-E199-447F-AD22-DEA2825CD76B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3853b244bc1acf5223f32d488f09a896@mac.com> <3C64A358-C9CF-442D-9F22-18DF8C798E14@gmail.com> <7CBB38FF-E199-447F-AD22-DEA2825CD76B@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <91MCw.A.WuE.8m_KFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:51:25 +0000 (UTC) does rax do VST as well, or just AU? On 10/10/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > > >> << http://plasq.com/rax >> > > > I bought RAX to use with SooperLooer. To answer your question, I > think it is "good". That means it does what you suspect a MIDI simple > mixer and AU host to do. I can't say that it's better than AU Lab, > though. AU Lab is free and comes on the Tiger DVD, look under > "Developer". > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 20:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27C4A3BEE1; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DNqSNSnZmuO7hj5/FLTplDIk8URaxhj4qtX0ek/YGw/Ci5ldRfDkyuyj27nZ/XYiaF+rjHv1dcpuh94JKYEv3stCCGkQBmR+2HaNcYSvF++Ie3LVAxCfAPMyVUV40+CnRKrmaRocylyWrOyalkYQo/9YOUQOkkjC4kg1UiYLZNg= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10610101315r5b018f2dq5c7ad1af7dcba37c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:15:32 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: footswitch for electrix repeater In-Reply-To: <49394A6B-2A9B-4551-8F9A-3BD0F79271B1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_91151_23196533.1160511332074" References: <20061010184608.49363.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <49394A6B-2A9B-4551-8F9A-3BD0F79271B1@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:15:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_91151_23196533.1160511332074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think Rune may have been inquiring about the "simple" footswitch (using a TRS cable between it and the footswitch jack), not the MIDI. I use the Digitech too, the three-button. Any momentary (non-latching) footswitch will do. The Digitech has the advantage of having the three-buttons configuration (serving Undo, Play/Stop and Record/Play). When I just checked the Boss site there is a two-button but not a three-button version of their footswitch. This would forego one of the above functions (not sure which, but handiest would be if it were Undo). If you're a DIY-er, this kind of switch should be pretty simple to home-bake as well. Cheers, Nic On 10/10/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 10 okt 2006, at 20.46, rune fagereng wrote: > > > I am looking for a footswitch for my repeater. I know > > the digitech can be used, this one is hard to get > > around my place. Please tell me, does anyone know if > > there are others, like boss who can be used ? > > > You can use anything that sends the MIDI events the Repeater is > hardwired to follow. At the end of the Repeater manual there is a > MIDI chart. Just compare that list with the MIDI chart for the > footswitch you want to evaluate. > > You may also use other MIDI pedals that do not send exactly what the > Repeater needs, but then you need to put something between that > "translates" - like for example a computer. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > -- Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ------=_Part_91151_23196533.1160511332074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think Rune may have been inquiring about the "simple" footswitch (using a TRS cable between it and the footswitch jack), not the MIDI. I use the Digitech too, the three-button. Any momentary (non-latching) footswitch will do. The Digitech has the advantage of having the three-buttons configuration (serving Undo, Play/Stop and Record/Play). When I just checked the Boss site there is a two-button but not a three-button version of their footswitch. This would forego one of the above functions (not sure which, but handiest would be if it were Undo).

If you're a DIY-er, this kind of switch should be pretty simple to home-bake as well.

Cheers,
Nic

On 10/10/06, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10 okt 2006, at 20.46, rune fagereng wrote:

> I am looking for a footswitch for my repeater. I know
> the digitech can be used, this one is hard to get
> around my place. Please tell me, does anyone know if
> there are others, like boss who can be used ?


You can use anything that sends the MIDI events the Repeater is
hardwired to follow. At the end of the Repeater manual there is a
MIDI chart. Just compare that list with the MIDI chart for the
footswitch you want to evaluate.

You may also use other MIDI pedals that do not send exactly what the
Repeater needs, but then you need to put something between that
"translates" - like for example a computer.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom






--
Nic Roozeboom

http://www.fractal-continuum.com
http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ------=_Part_91151_23196533.1160511332074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 10 21:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 622883BED2; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <913728d60610101251i219fffd8q7efe2bfc32da410d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3853b244bc1acf5223f32d488f09a896@mac.com> <3C64A358-C9CF-442D-9F22-18DF8C798E14@gmail.com> <7CBB38FF-E199-447F-AD22-DEA2825CD76B@gmail.com> <913728d60610101251i219fffd8q7efe2bfc32da410d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: mac performance software Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:37:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Rax is AU only. I've used it a bit and liked it - had no problems with audio in. Cheers, Craig On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > does rax do VST as well, or just AU? > > On 10/10/06, Per Boysen wrote: >> > On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> > >> >> << http://plasq.com/rax >> >> >> >> I bought RAX to use with SooperLooer. To answer your question, I >> think it is "good". That means it does what you suspect a MIDI simple >> mixer and AU host to do. I can't say that it's better than AU Lab, >> though. AU Lab is free and comes on the Tiger DVD, look under >> "Developer". >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 06:50:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 934A53BED0; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:50:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <_vfZq.A.CTD.zQJLFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Cynthia Matthews, the mayor of Santa Cruz, California has declared Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be "International Live Looping Day" in the city. Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on Saturday, October 21st at ALCHEMY (the main festival site) to read the proclamation and to give copies to our headlining artists: Per Boysen (Sweden), Rainer Straschill (Germany), Mir-O (Finland) and Bill Walker (USA) and our featured artists: Krispen Hartung (USA), Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA) and Artis the Spoonman (Mars) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 08:46:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2653BED2; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <25f58a1cf0d47b7a96ec95ed3a3878d4@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:46:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:46:49 +0000 (UTC) SWEET! Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Cynthia Matthews, the mayor of Santa Cruz, California has declared=20 > Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be "International Live Looping Day" =20= > in the city. > > Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on Saturday,=20= > October 21st at ALCHEMY (the main festival site) > to read the proclamation and to give copies to > our headlining artists: > > Per Boysen (Sweden), Rainer Straschill (Germany), Mir-O (Finland)=20= > and Bill Walker (USA) > > and our featured artists: > > Krispen Hartung (USA), Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA) and Artis=20= > the Spoonman (Mars) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 09:23:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24AFE3BECA; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Np6HL93tIwgNloPtc22+PKsbi06og+YHpjMD+aYaC7OBty6T6KB6HGUD/Typp5Xgl7Cak0eF6FhQTBLqjndC1TMp00JFPPGUUoirUG+5YL7BCjdOhiqWUd5mdVgxHMYhL6H7oicAXvkI4ZArnN1pI19ZZoP87YX5yosgscJjKKo= In-Reply-To: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95B1117E-60AE-4D6D-A262-4D0B9C85EFF4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: OT: Trumpet video Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:23:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3-YwqD.A.7VB.5fLLFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Ran across this funny movie: > Humor: pBlue - one of the hippest horn blowers in the block, > playing on top of an excellent tune by Ingrid Contardo > http://tinyurl.com/zg3ce Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 12:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D243F3BED5; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BM31gmmBtziTdGnLSmXFgvEFi4PAt/7AD7v4CwrtyRelvcOITGrAp1e6vrFki32ndNbgdbVD//zft/iluB0WZ/CKLOVKaWL+zV0pFX9VIA396XGc1XhzXtXWEzNYGxWVzQ4YIOGAz9XjXqvIKPKt1lUkIMmQ03tLugMZMJ9iUWc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:30:14 -0600 From: "C 3" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California In-Reply-To: <25f58a1cf0d47b7a96ec95ed3a3878d4@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29741_21660904.1160569814111" References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <25f58a1cf0d47b7a96ec95ed3a3878d4@pfmentum.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:30:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29741_21660904.1160569814111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline IS there a website or more info on this event? only a 15 hour drive for me :-D On 10/11/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > SWEET! > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: > > > Cynthia Matthews, the mayor of Santa Cruz, California has declared > > Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be "International Live Looping Day" > > in the city. > > > > Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on Saturday, > > October 21st at ALCHEMY (the main festival site) > > to read the proclamation and to give copies to > > our headlining artists: > > > > Per Boysen (Sweden), Rainer Straschill (Germany), Mir-O (Finland) > > and Bill Walker (USA) > > > > and our featured artists: > > > > Krispen Hartung (USA), Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA) and Artis > > the Spoonman (Mars) > > > > --=20 Christopher "C3" Cardone APC Instruments ------=_Part_29741_21660904.1160569814111 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline IS there a website or more info on this event? only a 15 hour drive for me = :-D

On 10/11/06, Jeff Kaiser < loopersdelight@pfmentum.com> wrote:
SWEET!


Jeff Kaiser
http://www.JeffKaiser.com
pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com

On = Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote:

> Cynthia Matthews,&n= bsp; the mayor of Santa Cruz, California has declared
> Saturday= , October 21st, 2006 to be "International Live Looping Day"
> in the city.
>
> Cynthia will be gracing us with her p= resence at 7:20 p.m. on Saturday,
> October 21st  at ALCHEM= Y (the main festival site)
> to read the proclamation and to give cop= ies to
> our headlining artists:
>
> Per Boysen (Sweden), =   Rainer Straschill (Germany),  Mir-O (Finland)
> and = Bill Walker (USA)
>
> and our featured artists:
>
>= Krispen Hartung (USA),  Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA) = ; and Artis
> the Spoonman (Mars)
>




--
Christopher "C3" Cardone
APC Instruments ------=_Part_29741_21660904.1160569814111-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 14:12:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34A33BEC7; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <95B1117E-60AE-4D6D-A262-4D0B9C85EFF4@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: OT: Trumpet video Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:12:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <95B1117E-60AE-4D6D-A262-4D0B9C85EFF4@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20458 Message-Id: <8C8BB565A3A1CE1-574-1695@WEBMAIL-DC08.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.30 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Ran across this funny movie:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 per.....you ought to get together with this cat.....what a duet!.....i=20 think he stole some of MY licks though.....why i oughta!.....:)m ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and=20 security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from=20 across the web, free AOL Mail and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:00:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EA9E3BECA; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014001c6ed45$ed3eccc0$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <25f58a1cf0d47b7a96ec95ed3a3878d4@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:59:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013D_01C6ED13.A1540F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C6ED13.A1540F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here you go: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: C 3=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:30 AM Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, = California IS there a website or more info on this event? only a 15 hour drive = for me :-D On 10/11/06, Jeff Kaiser < loopersdelight@pfmentum.com> wrote: SWEET! Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Cynthia Matthews, the mayor of Santa Cruz, California has = declared > Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be "International Live Looping = Day"=20 > in the city. > > Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on = Saturday, > October 21st at ALCHEMY (the main festival site) > to read the proclamation and to give copies to=20 > our headlining artists: > > Per Boysen (Sweden), Rainer Straschill (Germany), Mir-O = (Finland) > and Bill Walker (USA) > > and our featured artists: > > Krispen Hartung (USA), Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA) and = Artis=20 > the Spoonman (Mars) > --=20 Christopher "C3" Cardone APC Instruments ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C6ED13.A1540F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here you go: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 C = 3
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, = 2006 6:30=20 AM
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE = LOOPING=20 DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California

IS there a website or more info on this event? only a = 15 hour=20 drive for me :-D

On 10/11/06, Jeff=20 Kaiser <=20 loopersdelight@pfmentum.com> wrote:
SWEET!


Jeff=20 Kaiser
http://www.JeffKaiser.com
pfMEN= TUM.com=20 =95 AngryVegan.com

On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool=20 wrote:

> Cynthia Matthews,  the mayor of Santa = Cruz,=20 California has declared
> Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be=20 "International Live Looping Day"
> in the = city.
>
>=20 Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on=20 Saturday,
> October 21st  at ALCHEMY (the main = festival=20 site)
> to read the proclamation and to give copies to =
> our=20 headlining artists:
>
> Per Boysen (Sweden),   = Rainer=20 Straschill (Germany),  Mir-O (Finland)
> and Bill = Walker=20 (USA)
>
> and our featured artists:
>
> = Krispen=20 Hartung (USA),  Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating = (USA)  and=20 Artis
> the Spoonman = (Mars)
>



--
Christopher "C3" Cardone
APC Instruments=20 ------=_NextPart_000_013D_01C6ED13.A1540F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 15:47:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6383BEC5; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20061011114609.01cd1a60@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:47:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California In-Reply-To: <014001c6ed45$ed3eccc0$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <25f58a1cf0d47b7a96ec95ed3a3878d4@pfmentum.com> <014001c6ed45$ed3eccc0$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-48757B2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris, will you be broadcasting the festival on the net again this year? Paul Haslem From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5303BEB8; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=Puvepw6t1LtLb8RduzxyjQXXqrGiwfuIPOY5FP939YFHo0YnCDoMD9h6ZlXWoOoKbGTn8WC4opBYmW6W1l1nmuaGkcdexp6l57kPNa1srmv5gi9YKtOJ1VGqz95IdAIRU5zFJIDxj5kHr1Oc9aIDwwiI3Y+a+S40T/LV08qOTeo= ; User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:17:04 -0700 Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014001c6ed45$ed3eccc0$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3243403026_2563858" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:17:08 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3243403026_2563858 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I=B9ve reviewed the website, the poster and these emails and don=B9t see an exact location or address. Where in the City of Santa Cruz? What=B9s the location address of this event? Thanks LS on 10/11/06 7:59 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here you go: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com > =20 > Kris > =20 > =20 >> =20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> =20 >> From: C 3 >> =20 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> =20 >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:30 AM >> =20 >> Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, >> California >> =20 >>=20 >> IS there a website or more info on this event? only a 15 hour drive for= me >> :-D >>=20 >> =20 >> On 10/11/06, Jeff Kaiser < loopersdelight@pfmentum.com >> > wrote: >>> SWEET! >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Jeff Kaiser >>> http://www.JeffKaiser.com >>> pfMENTUM.com =80 AngryVegan.com >>>=20 >>> On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: >>>=20 >>>> > Cynthia Matthews, the mayor of Santa Cruz, California has declared >>>> > Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be "International Live Looping Day" >>>> > in the city. >>>> > >>>> > Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on Satur= day, >>>> > October 21st at ALCHEMY (the main festival site) >>>> > to read the proclamation and to give copies to >>>> > our headlining artists: >>>> > >>>> > Per Boysen (Sweden), Rainer Straschill (Germany), Mir-O (Finland= ) >>>> > and Bill Walker (USA) >>>> > >>>> > and our featured artists: >>>> > >>>> > Krispen Hartung (USA), Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA) and A= rtis >>>> > the Spoonman (Mars) >>>> > >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 --B_3243403026_2563858 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, Califo= rnia IR= 17;ve reviewed the website, the poster and these emails and don’t see = an exact location or address. Where in the City of Santa Cruz? What’s = the location address of this event?

Thanks

LS


on 10/11/06 7:59 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Here you go: http://www.y2k6loopfest.= com
Kris
 

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  C 3 <mailto:modu= lus10@gmail.com>  
 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com  
 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:30  AM
 
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING  DAY in the city of San= ta Cruz, California
 

IS there a website or more info on this event? only a 15 hour  drive f= or me :-D

 
On 10/11/06, Jeff  Kaiser <  loopersdelight@pfmentum.co= m <mailto:loopersdelight@pfm= entum.com> > wrote:
SWEET!


Jeff  Kaiser
http://www.JeffKaiser.com
pfMENTUM.com  • AngryVegan.com

On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool  wrote:

> Cynthia Matthews,  the mayor of Santa Cruz,  California has = declared
> Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be  "International Live Loop= ing Day"
> in the city.
>
>  Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on &nb= sp;Saturday,
> October 21st  at ALCHEMY (the main festival  site)
> to read the proclamation and to give copies to
> our  headlining artists:
>
> Per Boysen (Sweden),   Rainer  Straschill (Germany), &n= bsp;Mir-O (Finland)
> and Bill Walker  (USA)
>
> and our featured artists:
>
> Krispen  Hartung (USA),  Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA)=  and  Artis
> the Spoonman (Mars)
>




 --B_3243403026_2563858-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:41:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1DD73BED2; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016901c6ed54$1ba21280$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <25f58a1cf0d47b7a96ec95ed3a3878d4@pfmentum.com> <014001c6ed45$ed3eccc0$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.0.6.2.20061011114609.01cd1a60@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:41:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <-NwXl.A.AvD.-6RLFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Yes, on both Saturday and Sunday of the main festival. The Webcast & Pictures page of the Y2K6 website has the links for the stream. Rainer is also streaming the Ninjam performances, I believe. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California > Hey Kris, will you be broadcasting the festival on the net again this > year? > > Paul Haslem > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 16:42:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400DE3BEC7; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017401c6ed54$32710020$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:42:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6ED21.E6A67490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:42:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6ED21.E6A67490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, = CaliforniaThe main page has the schdule, the events, the addresses, and = mapquest links. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Stites=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, = California I've reviewed the website, the poster and these emails and don't see = an exact location or address. Where in the City of Santa Cruz? What's = the location address of this event? Thanks LS on 10/11/06 7:59 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Here you go: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com Kris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: C 3 =20 =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =20 =20 Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:30 AM =20 Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa = Cruz, California =20 IS there a website or more info on this event? only a 15 hour = drive for me :-D =20 On 10/11/06, Jeff Kaiser < loopersdelight@pfmentum.com = > wrote:=20 SWEET! Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Cynthia Matthews, the mayor of Santa Cruz, California has = declared > Saturday, October 21st, 2006 to be "International Live = Looping Day"=20 > in the city. > > Cynthia will be gracing us with her presence at 7:20 p.m. on = Saturday, > October 21st at ALCHEMY (the main festival site) > to read the proclamation and to give copies to=20 > our headlining artists: > > Per Boysen (Sweden), Rainer Straschill (Germany), Mir-O = (Finland) > and Bill Walker (USA) > > and our featured artists: > > Krispen Hartung (USA), Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating (USA) = and Artis=20 > the Spoonman (Mars) > ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6ED21.E6A67490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of = Santa Cruz, California
The main page has the schdule, the = events, the=20 addresses, and mapquest links.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Larry=20 Stites
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, = 2006 10:17=20 AM
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE = LOOPING=20 DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California

I=92ve reviewed the website, the poster and = these emails=20 and don=92t see an exact location or address. Where in the City of = Santa Cruz?=20 What=92s the location address of this=20 event?

Thanks

LS


on 10/11/06 7:59 AM, Krispen = Hartung=20 wrote:
Here = you go: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com
<= /FONT>
Kris

 

----- Original Message = -----=20
 
From:  C 3 "><mailto:modulus10@gmail.com>=20  
 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com =  
 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:30=20  AM
 
Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE = LOOPING=20  DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, = California
 

IS there=20 a website or more info on this event? only a 15 hour  drive = for me=20 :-D

 
On 10/11/06, Jeff  Kaiser <=20  loopersdelight@pfmentum.com <mailto:loopersdelight@pfm= entum.com>=20 > wrote:
SWEET!


Jeff=20  Kaiser
http://www.JeffKaiser.com
pfMEN= TUM.com=20  =95 AngryVegan.com

On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:50 PM, = loop.pool=20  wrote:

> Cynthia Matthews,  the mayor of = Santa=20 Cruz,  California has declared
> Saturday, October = 21st, 2006=20 to be  "International Live Looping Day"
> in the=20 city.
>
>  Cynthia will be gracing us with her = presence=20 at 7:20 p.m. on  Saturday,
> October 21st  at = ALCHEMY=20 (the main festival  site)
> to read the proclamation = and to=20 give copies to
> our  headlining = artists:
>
>=20 Per Boysen (Sweden),   Rainer  Straschill = (Germany),=20  Mir-O (Finland)
> and Bill Walker=20  (USA)
>
> and our featured = artists:
>
>=20 Krispen  Hartung (USA),  Jeff Kaiser (USA) Zoe Keating = (USA)=20  and  Artis
> the Spoonman=20 (Mars)
>




------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6ED21.E6A67490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 18:05:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7217F3BEB5; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=tClormUOo3XDDmOYn/i4S/rSTCDYHAYEcm5P/Nh++gcBXLr2OwQd9F+F8mUGc357cpjajYKZE7QhxHXnSbJg3xVKZr+7pXvyp0Bf5qglgohDNNZG7bE6iuU0szXcOkMOr+FiQSO3nKiIaLsmsXH5rMiQKaAGjnoIgqWTEDeNeqE= Message-ID: <26ba8d120610111105j7b58884q891bc34c2fd9b925@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:05:42 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kaiser's coming to New York..... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> <45053991.7030405@addcom.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b94f8938cbbd8e5c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:05:45 +0000 (UTC) I sent this to my list (http://ax.to). Don't forget to send me your gigs separately -- I only happened to see this one -- if you want them to go onto the list! /t On 10/9/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I'll be in New York this week....lots of loopage (except Sunday night) > > > ************************ > Festival of New Trumpet > http://fontmusic.org/ > > Thursday, October 12, 2006 > > Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley > (quarter-tone trumpet/laptop and electric guitar) > > The Cornelia Street Caf=E9 > 29 Cornelia Street > NYC 10014 > (212)989-9319 > *************************** > Saturday, October 14, 2006 > > Goodbye Blue Monday > 1087 BROADWAY - BUSHWICK, BROOKLYN > NEW YORK 11221 > 718.453.6343 > > Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley > (quarter-tone trumpet/laptop and electric guitar) > > with > > David Bartel > drum set/ laptop > > http://www.goodbye-blue-monday.com/ > > This is going to be an exciting gig, first meeting (musically) with > David. > He is an exciting player with a great take on technology. > > For More Info on David: > http://www.deepsoundchannel.com/ > > ********************* > Sunday, October 15, 2006, 6 pm, FREE > > Downtown Music Gallery > > Jeff Kaiser and Tom McNalley > (quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar) > > 342 Bowery [between E. 2nd & E. 3rd Streets], New York, NY 10012-2408 > Phone: (212) 473-0043 > ********************* > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > --=20 /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 18:35:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B17A3BECD; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <452D394E.5060404@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:34:54 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Ideal small studio specs for Loopers? 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Non-rectangular shaped room > can be good, but much less predictable and more difficult to figure out > solutions for (at least mathematically). > > A cube shaped room is the worst possible shape. 8 x 10 x 12 is are > all divisible to 2, and partially by 4. > Ideally, use ratios like Golden Section, or Pi, to help you find > dimention > > Perhaps adding 'sound board' and extra sheet rock to one wall would be > enough to provide better dimensions. > >>From the main listening position, you can have a friend hold up a mirror > and move along the walls. Where ever you can see the speakers (either > one) in the mirror from your listening position you'll want to put some > acoustical treatment to avoid direct reflections. > > Hope these simple tips are useful > -Qua > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 18:37:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8952C3BED3; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=hi1cOpyaGEg1nbGc5gQBzK7QlaW87VMiuRVo77prg4NpShufCUV116Ol8DDc7cObEC4cTbT9ffx8GSxQ66cxsytIQoAk/viALIt+4OZe8Rn9M4TPYJ3BVbtgBtfa/VFng65fRlwtLHG096S/wVjYew9QsEIwIeU8GyLUqScIY8w= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0610111137o4ab8a21bk28cb20b4d790d552@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:37:11 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: akai headrush e2 for sale (new) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_51151_467334.1160591831211" Resent-Message-ID: <8tjuqD.A.UHH.ZnTLFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:37:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_51151_467334.1160591831211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have 2 units, 1 of which I just bought. As it turns out, I didn't need the 2nd. So I'm offering it up for sale, $150 brand new in the box, + S&H from Chicago, IL Please holler if you're interested. dan -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_51151_467334.1160591831211 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have 2 units, 1 of which I just bought.
As it turns out, I didn't need the 2nd.
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--
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http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_51151_467334.1160591831211-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 11 21:35:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9833BEB3; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:35:34 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000501c6ed7d$30022660$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbtVB05RU5/PaQjQA+hnjvbUCACZwAKPjsg In-Reply-To: <016901c6ed54$1ba21280$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:35:37 +0000 (UTC) didn't have a chance to test drive the icecast of cpr, but yes, at least = I plan to do so. Further info? www.y2k6loopfest.com/ninjam.htm=20 Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2006 18:42 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of=20 > Santa Cruz, California >=20 > Yes, on both Saturday and Sunday of the main festival. The=20 > Webcast & Pictures page of the Y2K6 website has the links for=20 > the stream. >=20 > Rainer is also streaming the Ninjam performances, I believe. From alan@ns.cispc.com.tw Wed Oct 11 23:52:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1039 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:52:05 UTC Received: from ns.cispc.com.tw (59-120-6-223.HINET-IP.hinet.net [59.120.6.223]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DE93BEAF for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ns.cispc.com.tw (ns.cispc.com.tw [127.0.0.1]) by ns.cispc.com.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747A8690A8 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:39:25 +0800 (CST) Received: (from alan@localhost) by ns.cispc.com.tw (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k9BNdOfj032145; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:39:24 +0800 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:39:24 +0800 Message-Id: <200610112339.k9BNdOfj032145@ns.cispc.com.tw> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #270012346034 From: "member@ebay.com" Content-Type: text/html
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 00:30:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A07123BEB9; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RsNi/YPDss1AIRhsgUtf1i1Y7dOpCu0iXYBA+xm+VyZtjuDY0OlcIKlwlJJTJ23yd9iYCoRX/w9D4hMAi0IzMLMGXGsycfJWPyduN2NV9pXgAlmRws7DQOggD5cDCWRxWJ+ESzqJ+FYwUpTkhx0oBlsBZtUfwjJrL6yCF+1YymU= ; Message-ID: <20061012003027.56091.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: new music from the chain tape collective To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7bGzvC.A.89H.kyYLFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:30:28 +0000 (UTC) C'mon over and check out some new tunes at Free downloads of anything on the site, including cover art! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 05:10:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56F6E3BEC5; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vqER9NYjEOu94ccsW1r16EcqHZm0INs5TTyXltfehhhzpH0jlVk3mOybZykAW+IfNXa//4cysQxtZP5A+/23hTD9wZQw+/AWUZO+b+YfY0Q/JvPNFNSTVaWniecHUVzvNTU+MuCE8XanVRteubvfl0bQ8aHh01f+mBqi1GkkHi8= ; Message-ID: <20061012050958.53515.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Axel Rudich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Just wanted to share this info for those who care, knew or had work done by Axel Rudich. Axel has passed away in a car accident last friday.I recently got a mail from a acquaintance of his wife who asked me to let those who knew him know. He did some wonderful work on my fernandes sustainer guitar and i even planed on sending it again for RMC pickups installation on it and other customized work as well.I became aware of his health problems as my order like perhaps some of yours was months delayed.After doing Adrian Belews amazing new signature guitar which he presented at the Namm Show last year,he informed me that because of his problems he was closing his workshop and going back to teaching. Although we never met personally we became good friends and talked hours on the telephone since we share some common things like being both latinamericans,interest in politics,passion for music and guitars,etc. This are devastating news,he was a true craftsman and inovative specially with MIDI guitars doing remarkable and impecable custom work. I read that as Adrian Belew told Mr.Parker his vision of a new crazy guitar Mr. Parker told Belew "there is only one guy that ca realize this, Mr. Axel Rudich". I also heard he was an accomplished Jazz guitarrist,and a colum journalist for guitar player. He will be dearly missed by all of us who came in contact with him as well as his wife and children. God bless him, Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 10:11:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1444F3BEC2; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UfmKF9Mhzhd5o1nwqWkY4TFo0LrgBUM/jjips7fVX9CGFAtIsE5B0CKoEgj5E/lBHLNfhAGur4HrE0WtRwBP/r7JANf43KWFwpb2rLwMGD1sbqA/Aape//3pHyxWK5LxVOPz5qdBFGd0txucp2TGNZ9fuHIAOX8L5HWg9ztHS0Q= In-Reply-To: <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> References: <2C318320-9DD0-41E5-B766-C145E472CC00@xmlizer.biz> <005601c6e476$747d4b40$5a01a8c0@mark> <8bc80192a8ccfb3d766fee8629e5a221@pfmentum.com> <188501c6e4d7$561cd6f0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4522DA71.3020503@addcom.de> <220c01c6e80a$800228e0$e0c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <653FCBCD-19B3-4FCB-A30A-52E0024553EF@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2799B343-C002-44CC-912D-6303F0898C4F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Porting Win VST to Mac not possible (was: Re: MAX/MSP Conversion Complete...) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:11:49 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0RDQWD.A.1xC.qThLFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:11:54 +0000 (UTC) > On 5 okt 2006, at 01.12, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Two things, on the wishlist...converting a PC VST to a MAC VST, >> doesn't someone make an app that will make a pc VST work on a mac? >> I used to have a program that converted VST to RTAS, etc. Very good questions! I'm not skilled in programming myself, so I asked Angus F. Hewlett because his company, FXpansion, makes the best converters between plug-in formats run on the same platform. Below you'll find his excellent answer (quoted with his permission). Per >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> Are there any plans for wrapping a Windows VST to work in a host on >>> an Intel Mac? >>> >>> If that was possible, in OSX, I know it would be useful to many >>> musicians, including myself. > On 5 okt 2006, at 01.50, Angus F. Hewlett wrote: > >> If it was possible, we'd be on the case. >> >> Three problems:- >> >> --> WINE (the supporting technology that allows Windows apps to >> run on >> Linux or OSX) is GPL open source.. as such it's hard to sell software >> based on it. Codeweavers are able to do so because they struck some >> kind >> of deal with the main Wine developers (in fact, as I understand it, a >> lot of the Wine devs work for Codeweavers). >> >> --> WINE wraps from Windows to the 'X Window' API (for those that >> don't >> know, X Window is the GUI and windowing system used by many Unix >> systems). Whilst OS X does support XWindow, it doesn't really >> allow it >> to be integrated in to apps using OS X's native windowing >> technologies >> (Quartz, Quickdraw, Carbon, Cocoa etc.). There is a driver that >> allows >> WINE to talk directly to Quartz, but it's very immature and buggy >> - it >> won't be stable enough for commercial software any time soon. >> >> --> Even if those obstacles were to be overcome, there is the issue >> that >> WINE's Windows-compatibility is not 100%.. with an unpatched WINE >> app, >> probably 80% of VSTs (generally smaller and simpler ones) will work >> OK. >> With a heavily patched WINE, it's possible to do a lot better -- but >> Muse Research (makers of Receptor) have had good engineers working on >> this problem for years and are still only up around the 95% mark. >> That's >> plenty good enough for Linux users, or for a preinstalled/approved >> kinda >> system like Receptor.. however it's my impression that 'works' means >> something rather different to OS X users compared to Linux users.. >> 80% >> compatibility is nowhere near good enough for a commercial OS X >> software. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Angus. >> >> Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 10:34:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA3C3BEB6; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 06:32:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <452E19D9.4010603@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:34:49 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Today I will feature some of the bands that will be playing at Prog- Octoberfest in Clifton Park, NY as a benefit for Friends of Music, an organization that supports music in the school system. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Dutch musician Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Connected" on AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Bhakti Point" by Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records and released in 1987. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 11:36:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68E453BEB5; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009a01c6edf2$9b706220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: DIRECTIONS to the Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:36:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Larry wrote: "I've reviewed the website, the poster and these emails and don't see an exact location or address. Where in the City of Santa Cruz? What's the location address of this event?" There are directions to the ALCHEMY, the main festival venue in the overall program listing on the front page of the webpage, Larry................you didn't scroll down, apparently. So you don't have to go back and look it up, though: ALCHEMY is located in the northern side of the parking lot that borders Pearl Alley at the corner of Lincoln and Cedar Streets, one block due west, of the Pacific Garden Mall. We'll have a big poster outside of the venue if and you won't be able to miss it if you get to that parking lot. http://search.travel.yahoo.com/bin/search/map?nomaptip=1&yid=&ylat=&ylong=&yname=&yphone=&yaddress=&ycity=&ystate=&yurl=&clat=36.973038&clong=-122.02832&zoom=10&sid=474519&pop=0&id=&pan_x=&pan_y=&.done=&.title=&cat=none&cat=lodging&lodging_price=-1&cat=skiresort&dining_price=-1&cat=sightseeing&cat=airport&yp_search=&cat=city&num_result=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 11:47:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BEF63BEDC; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c6edf4$23929550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: Trumpet video Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:47:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Shit, this guy is stealing the show I planned for my performance at the Experimental Side of the Y2K6 International Live Looping festival at the Luggage Store in San Francisco on Thursday, October 19th (subtle plug, eh?) All week I've been shedding on my purple anodized trumpet that I got at NAMM for $75. I can't believe that he is stealing my shit.........................wow, is there no honor? Rick ps yeah, and those experimental hacks Jeff Kaiser, Krispen Hartung and Rainer Straschill will be on that bill too! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 16:42:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E8E03BEB8; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: RE: US standard power plug? (Y2K6) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c6ee1d$784f4100$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-From: ark@acm.org X-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC) > What's the most usual power plug - the grounded or the not grounded > model? I'm going over from Europe and need to know what power plug > adapter I should bring to be able to snag 110 v for my rig (yes all > devices are "self adapting" to 220 or 110 v, no trafo needed). I believe that all modern electrical installations are required to be grounded. The only places I have seen ungrounded plugs are people's = homes in which the plugs are 20+ years old. I can't remember having seen an ungrounded plug in recent construction, period; nor can I remember = seeing an ungrounded plug in a commercial location. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 12 17:54:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8AB33BECA; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KWiMENX8YVeC4T99r9z3h4WmZXDsINev1NF+KEWILQ0pyxsFZYpoRZFZDGWAHmEV; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31677671.1160675648803.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:54:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DIRECTIONS to the Y2K6 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd487d2eb93959c45e37ec8b72496e4eecc6773bb16c9ad91485350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:54:09 +0000 (UTC) speaking of posters for the event(s)- are there any small flyers available that say a sanfran street team could put up in the coming week? 20 or so? thanks if there are as i would be willing to put them around town. seeya stain rick writ: >We'll have a big poster outside of the venue if and you won't be able to >miss it if you get to that parking lot. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 04:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9FE3BEC5; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049701c6ee7c$dd51d180$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Looping Stuff on Apple iTunes Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:05:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:05:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure all of you on CD Baby have received the same thing. Nonethess, here's my shameless self-promotion of my looping music on iTunes, also on CD Baby for a killer $5.00 a CD. You can listen to the tunes at the links below: Krispen Hartung: Places http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=14870487 Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse: Live at the Kulture Klatsch http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=78584432 Krispen Hartung: Descent to Self http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=81983936 Krispen Hartung & Friends: Xperimentus http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=128652807 Krispen Hartung & Jared Hallock: Interstellar Delirium http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=156431903 Cheers, ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 14:38:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB7743BED6; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jMi1RBBblABhy0gOTejX7631uAcGPpD5rc5FNUAMrEmQmsCQLKSkdnNB7HuIfdN/zf8GH6Bv9Q6XUcbjPPc9iNk1+HHEyL/v52Pg/u/a/YT9wuRqNaF/4HfZf/+DuLrNFUvqrpcCN4u+RARECc78xXk4QzTfVdU/u9J/vltW1Rw= ; Message-ID: <20061013143808.60119.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: OT: email for Z Vex? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1999451931-1160750287=:59826" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0dBuDB.A.mpG.RT6LFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:38:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1999451931-1160750287=:59826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anybody have an alternate email for Z Vex? I send something to zack@zvex.com and it bounced back. ted h. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Does anybody have an alternate email for Z Vex?  I send something to zack@zvex.com and it bounced back.
 
 
ted h.
 


"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-1999451931-1160750287=:59826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 14:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 469C33BEDF; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:38:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #498 for October 12, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <452FA501.9090900@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:41:16 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061012.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #498 October 12, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Connected" on and AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Bhakti Point" by the recently departed Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records and released in 1987. Remy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Richard Burmer A Book Upon the Bhakti Point (Fortuna) Crossroad Mins Spiral Fist of God 3/ The 1 Is Silent (Atomic City) Calling Tokyo/Fist of God 4 Forrest Fang and Running Fence Invisibility (The Foundry) Carl Weingarten Klangwelt Okzident XOIO (Spheric Music) Surface 10 Dawn/Bleep/Dusk Surface Tensions (DiN) Palancar August 19, 2006 Ambient Train Wreck Series Volume Two (Blue Water) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Remy Ou Sont Les Femmes? Connected (AKH) Remy All Together Connected (AKH) Remy Ended Traditions Connected (AKH) Remy The Missing Part * Connected (AKH) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "DisConnected" on and AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Mosaic" by the recently departed Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records and released in 1984. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 14:45:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4563BEF3; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: OT: email for Z Vex? In-Reply-To: <20061013143808.60119.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20061013143808.60119.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:45:35 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, ditch wrestler wrote: > Does anybody have an alternate email for Z Vex? I send something to zack@zvex.com and it bounced back. Use zvex@zvex.com - that should be on the Z-Vex website, and every time I've written Zachary at that address, he (or, at least, someone preending to be him) has responded to me. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 14:52:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5F3D3BEF7; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <049701c6ee7c$dd51d180$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <049701c6ee7c$dd51d180$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--92193775 Message-Id: <24fc9467fb163ae88ebd1c03a66a8eb2@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: My Looping Stuff on Apple iTunes Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:51:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:52:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--92193775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yep, Mine too. I got the e-mail yesterday as well: Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 =93When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and =20 opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to =20= the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of =20 intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their =20 vanity, their sense of self-importance.=94 -- Edward Abbey http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Oct 12, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm sure all of you on CD Baby have received the same thing. =20 > Nonethess, here's my shameless self-promotion > of my looping music on iTunes, also on CD Baby for a killer $5.00 a =20= > CD. You can listen to the tunes > at the links below:= --Apple-Mail-1--92193775 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Yep, Mine too. I got the e-mail yesterday as well: Flux Aeterna: = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6= 378076 Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = 0000,0000,807Fhttp://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZS= tore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6378076 8080,0000,0000=93When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense. But men of intellect will believe anything-- if it appeals to their ego, their vanity, their sense of self-importance.=94 -- Edward Abbey 8080,8080,8080 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 8080,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Oct 12, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I'm sure all of you on CD Baby have received the same thing. Nonethess, here's my shameless self-promotion of my looping music on iTunes, also on CD Baby for a killer $5.00 a CD. You can listen to the tunes at the links below:= --Apple-Mail-1--92193775-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 13 17:55:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 062783BED8; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tPZ2PpMYw4Ky+LTBeOzJ+tYJL16ZaN/ciKnVLlc2DiODZwRs/13z4JKiYrYzOoPK5C+yaTKJ4lwzFvjhdOqGJRwe2Q3wVZ3grE14uZV20hm2m4G6cqVH2iL86/XMXF40HDIDo+hSVbCUNXn8JRsg0G5tJwkQgb7CyJ1NUlH2ksw= ; Message-ID: <20061013175507.87644.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: OT: email for Z Vex? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1492567717-1160762107=:87602" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:55:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1492567717-1160762107=:87602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think I did use the wrong email...guess I'm a spazz. But big thanks to Chuck Z here that passed on my email to Zack; Z dropped me a line. ted h. burnett@pobox.com wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, ditch wrestler wrote: > Does anybody have an alternate email for Z Vex? I send something to zack@zvex.com and it bounced back. Use zvex@zvex.com - that should be on the Z-Vex website, and every time I've written Zachary at that address, he (or, at least, someone preending to be him) has responded to me. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1492567717-1160762107=:87602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I think I did use the wrong email...guess I'm a spazz.
 
But big thanks to Chuck Z here that passed on my email to Zack; Z dropped me a line.
 
 
ted h.

burnett@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, ditch wrestler wrote:

> Does anybody have an alternate email for Z Vex? I send something to zack@zvex.com and it bounced back.

Use zvex@zvex.com - that should be on the Z-Vex website, and every time
I've written Zachary at that address, he (or, at least, someone preending
to be him) has responded to me.

best,
Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/




"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --0-1492567717-1160762107=:87602-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 14 23:41:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F333BEDF; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1150.212.205.245.134.1160869302.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:41:42 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Musicom Lab EFX Routing System Review From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 23:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone. Here is a small review of the Musicom Lab EFX routing system (http://www.musicomlab.co.kr/). I thought you would be interested in reading about this device. Features: The Musicom Lab EFX Routing System is the definition of the term “user friendly”. It is extremely easy to program, set up and use. It has flexible routing options, with 8 loops for effects pedals or other devices and 128 memory locations divided in 32 banks of 4 presets each - plus a global preset, common to all banks. So, you have more than enough memory locations to program any combination of the eight loops you ever wish. Each loop has a red led that indicates whether it is active or not. The presets have also their own status leds. Moving from bank to bank is easily done via two dedicated switches. The EFX also features a display that shows the active preset and provides visual information during programming or editing. A very welcome feature is a special loop to connect a volume pedal of your choice. So, you don’t have to occupy a loop just to place a volume pedal between effects. The volume pedal loop is placed after the first four loops and is then followed by the remaining four loops. This way, it is easy to set up “pre volume pedal” and “after volume pedal” effects without any compromises. Besides a fine audio routing system, the EFX can also double as a midi foot controller if you wish. It can be set up to transmit 2 midi program changes on 2 midi channels and 8 midi control changes on a midi channel. Additionally, it features an EXT port, though which the EFX can be operated to transmit 1 midi control change on one midi channel. For example, you can tap the tempo and control an external device. The manual is very explanatory and covers the whole set up process, the operation modes, the program change and control change editing, buffer activation or deactivation, the EXT port setup and the midi implementation. A basic block diagram of the device is also included in the operating guide, so you can immediately understand the routing and the options. The power requirements are flexible. The EFX works with either 9V AC or 12V DC and needs approximately 400 mA. The power jack is a standard barrel jack, like the ones most effects pedals use. Sound quality: The EFX absolutely deserves to be called a transparent routing system. There is no noise. No artifacts. No hum. No pops. No static. No distortion. No crosstalk between the loops. What you hear is the instrument through any effects or other devices in the loops. It has two buffers to prevent any loss or degradation of the instrument signal. But, the input buffer can be bypassed if you wish to use any high impendence pedals. Impendence mismatches are avoided this way, without having to leave your favorite fuzz pedal out of the setup. The buffers sound fine. All the parts, connections and circuits are of high quality and do not affect the sound of the instrument in any way. Switching between the presets or the banks is a smooth and silent process, without any kind of noise. There is also no change in the signal level when you switch from preset to preset or from bank to bank, unless of course what is connected to the eight loops boosts or cuts the signal on its own because of its gain structure. The EFX has more than enough headroom and is able to control any kind of effects without a problem. Construction and reliability: The EFX is clearly designed and build to become a working musician’s best friend. It is small and can easily fit in any pedalboard, in any studio or live set up. It is very light and will not add much to the total weight of a rig. It features a heavy duty enclosure that ensures a long happy life without problems. The construction is perfect, with top quality parts, nice compact set up and routing. Cabling, soldering and shielding are excellent. The EFX feels dependable from the very beginning. Support: Musicom Lab is a company that shows that it cares about customers and really sets a higher standard for customer service. The support is fast, efficient and reliable. Ordering and shipping is handled in the most professional way and the support is always available to provide information and help. Packaging is excellent and ensured that the device will be delivered safely to its destination. It is practically impossible that the EFX will ever need repairs or fail in action, since it is build like a bank, but even then there is no doubt that Musicom Lab will be there to offer help and support. Costas Andreou http://www.costasandreou.com contact@costasandreou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 00:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B783BEDE; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B1kldoY6IWpXFU/Nxg8YFkpMmEcVH0Zurg0DkZ6tA/af8TMJQoZ5PJPSBZZet5ewsRPShKFcVEkSykNUpuZMnUkUgbLcR99sIIdaz4qghlymhzDmz4Si+1p2wcsgRvllOmfpiBRBFrx4WPwZ+im6MnzCGzfnmX84CQnkbQhYJrg= ; Message-ID: <20061015001943.17326.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: mac performance software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey gang... I just read a review of Live 6 and it seems to have a ton of new routing features that really make it amazingly attractive as a VST host. http://www.ableton.com/pages/live_6/whats_new/instrument_and_effect_racks Cool thing is that you can nest racks and do really interesting MIDI control and parallel processing. I haven't had the chance to try it yet (I think I get a free upgrade as I just bought v5) but I'm psyched to dig into it. It's a chunk of change but as Per advised me, it's well worth it. With it's new functionality it's possibly an even better live looping tool. Mark --- Craig McCollough wrote: > Rax is AU only. I've used it a bit and liked it - > had no problems > with audio in. > > Cheers, > Craig > > > On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > does rax do VST as well, or just AU? > > > > On 10/10/06, Per Boysen > wrote: > >> > On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Paul Mimlitsch > wrote: > >> > > >> >> << http://plasq.com/rax >> > >> > >> > >> I bought RAX to use with SooperLooer. To answer > your question, I > >> think it is "good". That means it does what you > suspect a MIDI simple > >> mixer and AU host to do. I can't say that it's > better than AU Lab, > >> though. AU Lab is free and comes on the Tiger > DVD, look under > >> "Developer". > >> > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 15 07:21:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95D2B3BED8; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: sooperlooper for intel mac Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 00:21:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: c5fac8a2-5c1d-11db-b1d3-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZ1UxDEF1 UkhJREJSHA9qABYD DlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 NEkodwRRZW5ga2kW HkFYfgUaIwYcL0xN O1JiUSAMNXgGZy4y WgVqM2t0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV10MGSYx XRQFGi0iBwULQD97 Lho6J1pUGU8aWicA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 07:21:30 +0000 (UTC) the creator of SooperLooper just announced the following..... " To all that have been patiently waiting, here is a universal binary release for the current version of SooperLooper (1.0.8) that should work on PPC and Intel macs running 10.4.x. Note that this is exactly the same version as before, there are no new features yet... hopefully that will change sooner than later. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/SooperLooper-1.0.8u.dmg Intel mac users please give this a try and let me know if it works or not. I'll post it on the website after I get some positive feedback. Sorry for the wait on UBs, and I'm really sorry about the ongoing wait for new features (latency compensation, etc). jlc " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 00:14:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A63B3BEE7; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061015170350.03943088@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:17:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Can you believe it? This little web site and mailing list I started is now 10 years old! Come help us celebrate the 10 Year Anniversary of Looper's Delight! Here is the web page with details and a lovely poster: http://www.loopers-delight.com/anniversary/10YearAnniversary.html Friday, October 20, 2006, 8pm Orbis Nex, 851 81st Ave, Unit 217, Oakland, CA, USA (dial 200 at the door) $5 donation at the door, BYOB. This is part of the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com Featuring performances by: Per Boysen, Rainer Straschill, Bill Walker, MIR-O, Michael Klobuchar, Jeff Kaiser, Krispen Hartung, Amy X Neuburg, Ryusei Hatori, Mando Man, and Rick Walker! We are going to pair up performers into duos for completely unique musical experiences. It's going to be fantastic fun! Come join us if you can! Huge thanks to Rick Walker for putting all of this together. thanks Rick! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 01:10:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03C73BEE9; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:10:22 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sooperlooper for intel mac References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > the creator of SooperLooper just announced the following..... > > > " > To all that have been patiently waiting, here is a universal binary > release for the current version of SooperLooper (1.0.8) that should > work on PPC and Intel macs running 10.4.x. > > Note that this is exactly the same version as before, there are no new > features yet... hopefully that will change sooner than later. > > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/SooperLooper-1.0.8u.dmg > > Intel mac users please give this a try and let me know if it works or > not. I'll post it on the website after I get some positive feedback. > > Sorry for the wait on UBs, and I'm really sorry about the ongoing > wait for new features (latency compensation, etc). > > jlc > > " This looks good. But before I install, can anyone comment on how happily Jack coexists with CoreAudio? I know Jack claims that you can route the output from CoreAudio apps through it, but the idea of depending on an ever-complexifying stack of low-level plumbing gives me a bad case of The Fear. So any info from those who know would be appreciated. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 06:20:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0559C3BEE2; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005901c6f0eb$28b63b50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: will someone lend us one Mackie powered monitor for the LOOPERS DELIGHT 10th BASH this Friday in Oakland? Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:20:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Would someone be into bringing on Mackie SRM 10" or 12" speaker to the Loopers Delight Birthday party in Oakland on Friday night. We gave Kim's set for the mains and one from Amy X so we're one monitor shy of a good sound system for that night and it means Bill and I won't have to drive back to Santa Cruz, really late at night to re set up the main festival stage for the next day. We'd need it to be at the venue no later than 6 p.m. on Friday evening and we'd need someone to take it when we finish shortly after midnight, as we'll be racing home to Santa Cruz immediately after the party. yours, sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 09:28:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B06263BEE7; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4533508E.3040508@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:27:42 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING DAY in the city of Santa Cruz, California References: <019c01c6ed01$84f8b5c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <25f58a1cf0d47b7a96ec95ed3a3878d4@pfmentum.com> <014001c6ed45$ed3eccc0$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.0.6.2.20061011114609.01cd1a60@mail.wightman.ca> <016901c6ed54$1ba21280$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <016901c6ed54$1ba21280$85b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yes, on both Saturday and Sunday of the main festival. The Webcast & > Pictures page of the Y2K6 website has the links for the stream. The link to the Mac streaming player audion is wrong on the page, its http://www.panic.com/audion/index.html Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 11:04:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A06673BEF0; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4533674F.5040803@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:04:47 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sooperlooper for intel mac References: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Brian Good wrote: > This looks good. But before I install, can anyone comment on how happily > Jack coexists with CoreAudio? I know Jack claims that you can route the > output from CoreAudio apps through it, but the idea of depending on an > ever-complexifying stack of low-level plumbing gives me a bad case of > The Fear. So any info from those who know would be appreciated. Jack works fine here with SooperLooper on OS X 10.4.7. Jack is well integrated into CoreAudio. As soon as you start the Jack server, it will show up in CoreAudio, just as expected... I didn't test it too deeply, but it seems to have no problems... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 15:37:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76FC23BEE7; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rEtPIP3z6aXiUfePnnvxvbhBhsYJSDSdhDlrSDB6qrE4nAuGtVkr2SE4icVkfWukL0wiYRwpqsBhh5FfNLC1W3C/Es90NlPFCj1XY2rVny+45jRE9hy7vEcqtaGzT1+qJZdDeP3UfHKJ3ZwJvsMrSDeqiawUjAXerwmFjAfqi2Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> References: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <841A8B58-AF91-49D9-8DA1-04194DDB8597@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: sooperlooper for intel mac Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:37:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:37:33 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 15, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Brian Good wrote: > But before I install, can anyone comment on how happily Jack > coexists with CoreAudio? I did find an odd issue. I began finding a file in my trash after restarts called RingBuffertemp, this even after periods of time when I was using no audio software. I traced the file to Jack. Seemed harmless enough but recently I launched iTunes and the audio sounded like it was coming thru a Ring modulator. I had to shut the computer down and turn it back on to stop the "hi-Jack." I ended up dumping Jack because I was not using it that much but it was stable whenever I used it. I have not had the time to sort out the particulars but I don't think the problem was so much an issue with CoreAudio but instead a slight conflict between Jack, Pluggo and Soundflower on my system (osX 10.4.7). A minor thing really, Jack seemed to work fine. Anyway, fyi. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 15:39:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EBF33BEE8; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R35b+A804IBy5UnjBH/WlCRMub1nEtH8KfT4ZJ0aKlbknP/I4FYjSvtzRD5gOod4KUCQQKOvNTqMu03Nu5zVDYH+8Yy5xl2sZ3nWuXFTVbhHohXk3d5QUwxaukqDmiahwhcNNqaJ3kgdbrcd85nRhPUkncxFZx0/zftg4b89R8s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20061015170350.03943088@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061015170350.03943088@annihilist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8272B3F4-A86D-495F-9320-C244E249ECB2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:39:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:39:18 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 15, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > Here is the web page with details and a lovely poster: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/anniversary/10YearAnniversary.html > > > Friday, October 20, 2006, 8pm > Orbis Nex, > 851 81st Ave, Unit 217, > Oakland, CA, USA Great poster! Sorry I can't be there. Best wishes to all. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 20:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F26C3BEE4; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a26lBUon61/aHvtOVlSfhi2LNt1qj13RWNSYwryP7anfScGU/Z5C5c7aAXW8Z7vkywCttNSr2g0JekOv8GiDeJnf9jLg6SewOrTqALngd5lauaL64fYQGKxyg9wWfTiMlZi4xYraAqPE6IJyi7zWSRgRLe6hDqbzNt6Rv+skNww= ; Message-ID: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Hey, I'm eager to check out Live 6's new rack routing functions... but although I purchased Live 5 within the "free upgrade" time period, I can find no way on their site to do such a thing, and only a brief mention of it. Has anyone done this yet? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 20:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72A543BEF9; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reese Ritherspoon Subject: Re: sooperlooper question Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:33:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:33:26 +0000 (UTC) sooper looper within ableton live - anyone get this to work? i desparately need your help.... i cant quite wrap my head around the audiojack internals, but i think if i got this setup to work, it would be the answer to my looping woes. love rithma music From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 20:41:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D27183BEFC; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nuZR5PXDdT/2S0oMhCiCHXoknn2uM4ykDVJRchpxyCFbH7UV/a3RPe1P92Supu0o6Pmw7EKk+lS8qViCRxxNecT2Y5Q6tWUzQesZ1/2iQthUT+yIFImWXYxRI4HRwgvEjtD28SGU8Xun6z7TFHqJLPOFr3bm6LPUJCISqvyg+fM= ; Message-ID: <20061016204103.65953.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8272B3F4-A86D-495F-9320-C244E249ECB2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:41:05 +0000 (UTC) But we could all have a beer raise the glass and say "long spin loopheads"! cheers to u all Luis --- RP Collier wrote: > > On Oct 15, 2006, at 5:17 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > > Here is the web page with details and a lovely > poster: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/anniversary/10YearAnniversary.html > > > > > > Friday, October 20, 2006, 8pm > > Orbis Nex, > > 851 81st Ave, Unit 217, > > Oakland, CA, USA > > > Great poster! > Sorry I can't be there. > > Best wishes to all. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 20:42:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F21E3BF0A; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=RtZLqB9rXpMJ4yl8ScuTYahlBaddEVvMEsF2FfQyAHq8jCVVP4Ys/e356NgxTGyr8NJnki8lKqP/isfQhe5HJtCjHndjlBmTMvsazS1hpDg0yCCCnXHqVgUlmrltLRRaSU09k1oflWAPO81QcqxgmFOqLy5/IfiEkAOcmmSD3VI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:42:20 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sooperlooper in ableton live [was sooperlooper question] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 063854e70618f1c8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Check out this helpful tip from Per on the SL mailing list archives: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=12997823 The key is to insert the SL plugin on a MIDI track, and then route audio to/from other audio tracks. Then you should be able to setup the midi bindings from with the SL GUI (learn or in the preferences). jlc On 10/16/06, Reese Ritherspoon wrote: > sooper looper within ableton live - anyone get this to work? > > i desparately need your help.... > > i cant quite wrap my head around the audiojack internals, but i think > if i got this setup to work, it would be the answer to my looping woes. > > love > rithma music > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 20:49:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BA5B3BF01; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-188441570 Message-Id: <0CD3C7B3-DBCB-45E6-9760-74CF1EF9F02D@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:49:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:49:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-188441570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i've had the same problem. they have not returned my email after over one week. i'm surprised that their customer service is so poor. monk@fuse.net On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:29 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > I'm eager to check out Live 6's new rack routing > functions... but although I purchased Live 5 within > the "free upgrade" time period, I can find no way on > their site to do such a thing, and only a brief > mention of it. Has anyone done this yet? > > Mark --Apple-Mail-2-188441570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i've had the same problem. they = have not returned my email after over one week.


i'm surprised that their = customer service is so poor.





On Oct 16, = 2006, at 4:29 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:

Hey,


I'm eager to check out Live 6's new rack routing

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functions... but although I = purchased Live 5 within

the "free upgrade" time period, I can find no way = on

their = site to do such a thing, and only a brief

mention of it.=A0 Has anyone done this = yet?


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= --Apple-Mail-2-188441570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 21:20:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382DF3BEFA; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ExRfkdfxWnNO9WIDtMwqBHKGSSTZ8cdw5TpLNONiGyCXsoQa1bOPei88weXOodpO1hz7f2oPhpKi1tNWD/XGU7Mv/rcPV+f8JU8qnw++1+fkTWsB4OAsQ6fQEAt+jqqDgc1ANh0Wqru0FjHsc09rCsrvQt7wAO1GuHT01msBG38= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <069905AE-4B40-4C35-B036-20B128DCF10D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:20:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:20:52 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:29 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I can find no way on > their site to do such a thing, and only a brief > mention of it. Has anyone done this yet? Yes, I did that. I think all you have to do is download the Live6 as an update then your Live5 serial number makes it fully functional. http://www.ableton.com/update regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 21:21:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4CC33BEFC; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <0CD3C7B3-DBCB-45E6-9760-74CF1EF9F02D@fuse.net> References: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0CD3C7B3-DBCB-45E6-9760-74CF1EF9F02D@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10A75FE5-ECE8-4BAB-9907-141E07F5A092@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:16:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:21:31 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:49 PM, monk wrote: > i've had the same problem. they have not returned my email after > over one week. > > > i'm surprised that their customer service is so poor. It's not poor. They are just slammed with tons of emails due to the release of Live 6. It may take them a couple more days to get back with you--but they will eventually--you *will* get a personal reply. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 16 21:31:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62E013BF01; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:32:44 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? In-reply-to: <10A75FE5-ECE8-4BAB-9907-141E07F5A092@midway.uchicago.edu> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4533FA7C.2000100@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAD+WM0U X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,316,1157338800"; d="scan'208"; a="850214467:sNHT28644660" References: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0CD3C7B3-DBCB-45E6-9760-74CF1EF9F02D@fuse.net> <10A75FE5-ECE8-4BAB-9907-141E07F5A092@midway.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 SeaMonkey/1.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:49 PM, monk wrote: > >> i've had the same problem. they have not returned my email after over >> one week. >> >> >> i'm surprised that their customer service is so poor. I've only had good customer service from Ableton. I'm guessing they are just swamped right now re: the release of Live 6. Andrew -- sound design/music production course: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Chain Reaction downloadable samplepack: http://www.audiobase.com/product/SACR Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 artist features & column: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 00:54:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C7693BEE8; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453429B6.9070405@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:54:14 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sooperlooper for intel mac References: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> <4533674F.5040803@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4533674F.5040803@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Brian Good wrote: > >> This looks good. But before I install, can anyone comment on how >> happily Jack coexists with CoreAudio? I know Jack claims that you can >> route the output from CoreAudio apps through it, but the idea of >> depending on an ever-complexifying stack of low-level plumbing gives >> me a bad case of The Fear. So any info from those who know would be >> appreciated. > > > Jack works fine here with SooperLooper on OS X 10.4.7. > Jack is well integrated into CoreAudio. As soon as you start the Jack > server, it will show up in CoreAudio, just as expected... > > I didn't test it too deeply, but it seems to have no problems... > > Stefan > Thanks, Stefan, that's good to know. I'll give Jack/Sooperlooper a try, but not until after Loopfest. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 02:15:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52FC3BEF3; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <069905AE-4B40-4C35-B036-20B128DCF10D@gmail.com> References: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <069905AE-4B40-4C35-B036-20B128DCF10D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <75c92bd99d4d3cfe73a52d1e7fe57df6@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: MD Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:15:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:15:18 +0000 (UTC) I tried that and my 5.2 serial would not work. On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:20 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:29 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> I can find no way on >> their site to do such a thing, and only a brief >> mention of it. Has anyone done this yet? > > Yes, I did that. > I think all you have to do is download the Live6 as an update then > your Live5 serial number makes it fully functional. > > > http://www.ableton.com/update > > regards > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 02:16:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B943BEF7; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2b41d9f721a26bb97684fd91d7ffeb44@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: MD Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:16:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:16:07 +0000 (UTC) I am still trying. A rep at the company is trying to help me. Email them and see if they will help. I think they have been swamped. Their service has always been good to me. On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:29 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > I'm eager to check out Live 6's new rack routing > functions... but although I purchased Live 5 within > the "free upgrade" time period, I can find no way on > their site to do such a thing, and only a brief > mention of it. Has anyone done this yet? > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 02:48:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F71F3BEE9; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AgzBDHuoj1TGJg30fBDXUvpmoDUkCf1KqTkRMLU0S36uwkP5eP3W2WVN2OsPHtWD7UXGU2d3Y0NV+VAR5FXE+2fVn2+/wolEe0jcsBeK7Ub0oSb02sL0nyAwV9Gwi+MP0U/y7gl9kn17sfgyel6wLT0RLG9VjNLJVsbwXFF+ffI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <75c92bd99d4d3cfe73a52d1e7fe57df6@cox.net> References: <20061016202955.37684.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <069905AE-4B40-4C35-B036-20B128DCF10D@gmail.com> <75c92bd99d4d3cfe73a52d1e7fe57df6@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0EEADEF8-18EF-4D46-8C1A-02BB5793AC77@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:48:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:48:46 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 16, 2006, at 7:15 PM, MD wrote: > I tried that and my 5.2 serial would not work. Your serial number is stored on the site and should have triggered the emailing of a new number and then an unlock online prompt. Maybe try the *check for updates* from within the application to do the download? Also, I seem to remember a page on the site for reverifying serial numbers I think it is https://www.ableton.com/register where once you log in you can see the details of the account. Seems there is a step missing in the sequence somewhere for you. regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 12:16:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 398DA3BED6; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4534C9A6.5040701@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:16:38 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sooperlooper for intel mac References: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> <841A8B58-AF91-49D9-8DA1-04194DDB8597@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <841A8B58-AF91-49D9-8DA1-04194DDB8597@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:16:46 +0000 (UTC) RP Collier wrote: > I don't think the problem was so much an issue with CoreAudio but > instead a slight conflict between Jack, Pluggo and Soundflower on my > system (osX 10.4.7). Thats probably a matter of decision. You'd use either Jack or Soundflower. There is not much point in using both, they provide different solutions, but for the same problem... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 13:58:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362703BEDA; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JFKciYnR0hyCqLgbMGyj0NPZshSomZ21LjlHtLh7HZT3jp4+gM9krKJ/GQ42vYwiqQODLwWDciYJn/OL/oe2PYqkoKYJYMN459sUCEO6txHSCTlqt0+49T8eraot1uWCt0KtLlrbqLvAu1EhBoRSo+qxePFh/lVgZ5pbx9lW5VA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4534C9A6.5040701@addcom.de> References: <4532DBFE.7070100@adelphia.net> <841A8B58-AF91-49D9-8DA1-04194DDB8597@gmail.com> <4534C9A6.5040701@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29408AF7-7367-4AC4-A2BF-CE98087138B6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: sooperlooper for intel mac Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:58:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:58:15 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 17, 2006, at 5:16 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > You'd use either Jack or Soundflower. There is not much point in > using both, they provide different solutions, but for the same > problem... Yes, but they are also necessary components of different software. I use Audio Hijack which requires Soundflower and I was experimenting with Ardour which requires the Jack server. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 17:08:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9363BED0; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h6OBocNdvE8xX2MEpysKQNHVEZZc8d9eX7efa48ITNRBuqr2I0XVJf1a2WELvM0Ym4bE6l7XUH8HLQHX96yjVTSy71Y+w9nVx3Ixpqm9IGBOTZBreOZzNF9aiiUgbOwVpiSWsu0wAaLZV4ufp+x1bBtpgae34ScU1O7O11DCQKE= ; Message-ID: <20061017170813.32583.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <069905AE-4B40-4C35-B036-20B128DCF10D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Hm, I tried that, thinking they may have set it up that way... didn't work. Not sure why. Maybe I put in a wrong number... I'll try it again tonight. IMO, not having a clear explaination of how you upgrade on their site coupled with the fact that I followed links on their newsletter and faq page that are dead is bad customer service. A simple line of text on their upgrade page would make things very easy with almost no effort on their part. I'm not knocking Live. It's a great app and so far I'm totally happy with it. So happy I probably wouldn't even care to upgrade at this point as I haven't even figured out all v5's functionality yet, but I got a newsletter that said I could and their marketing has been very good at telling me I should, so I figured "why not?" Mark --- RP Collier wrote: > > On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:29 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I can find no way on > > their site to do such a thing, and only a brief > > mention of it. Has anyone done this yet? > > Yes, I did that. > I think all you have to do is download the Live6 as > an update then > your Live5 serial number makes it fully functional. > > > http://www.ableton.com/update > > regards > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 19:11:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA5E63BECD; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cVWqdsWUOp+ByC4T66zn9AH1UtpJO1anvmFT8RHMMaiw2ZIx41gd1OLlHrCXQDz59pEB45DC1TMJTel9YtV9fa7nyH7NohZgitLp/fHK4cxkMHAZ8fcLVyTBEjjAH7YJKGwCKySrlbNTYmX0d0VqCx05YECB5b2zfMxBZjj+8u8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061017170813.32583.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061017170813.32583.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:11:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6NYPRD.A.4JD.8rSNFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:11:56 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:08 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Not sure why. Maybe I put > in a wrong number... I'll try it again tonight. Sorry to hear about such problems, I know it is frustrating with new juicy software just out of reach. I checked thru my emails from Ableton and the only thing I can find is that they changed their website and then sent me a registered user login for the site when I got 5.2. It says that if you are a registered user you don't have to mess with inputing serial numbers. Everything was automatic for me on the upgrade with an email receipt from the webstore showing purchase of 6 for free and new serial number. So unless the extra traffic and website change has glitched things up, the only thing I can think of is to try the upgrade process after you login as a registered user at the site. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 20:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08A8B3BEE4; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0F+JjbWXGvNuCK1qJ/ipVlSFZpEWTBBrka/RUjBVtGRil5zCCSZxzwZvsD7qQFYxZDOj82qwOnDpUrmIKP+l/BM2gZwSbNVmBZmuTUmENrYqkN/z/+8NLkfrUWZgyG4jy0vswYOYeEpYdDFCQdzmdk6PwGL/ddVe99NwIvJ0kTM= ; Message-ID: <20061017205906.5438.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1cqvAD.A.thG.bQUNFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:59:07 +0000 (UTC) OK, I guess I'll keep trying then. I'm only concerned because they've limited the time to do the upgrade and with them not returning my emails I hope they don't do a "Ooops, too late." thing. They seem like they're on the up and up though. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 21:04:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A37E3BEEA; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M20xtXxrZ/fYVedQFa5azG59u4f18Yq8ojvLDM6MTAGi9Csr5WprxE4mAzCQ31qVOB29rWTuUFygrYlMmZ6Hxn0sXFVEI/R5yWwKosbwOEV5BusFTSZq6IljmRQU8LhIaHhGvaDpm310QPzziFyPAHA6IjDG25d4671eTtDmTLc= ; Message-ID: <20061017210457.3619.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Repeater v 1.1 FS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061017170813.32583.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Yup. It has to happen. Got a little crazy the day of my wedding (can you not buy the matching pendent for her ring when it's being sold in a store next to where the reception is going down? Of course not!) It's in perfect shape. I've never had trouble with noise or rebooting and ya'll know me, I put this puppy through it's paces. It comes with the 16 meg card and a 128 upgrade card from Electrix's list of approved cards. 3 button footswitch and powersupply. It's always been in a rack but I'm pretty sure it barely has a scratch on it. paypal sine@zerocrossing.net $550 US and I'll ship it to anywhere in the U.S. I've got good ebay cred and people here know me. Have at it! Mark Sottilaro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 21:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 358253BEF7; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061017210457.3619.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061017210457.3619.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F7956FC-2647-408C-A614-C57EAAABA822@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Speaking of the Repeater... Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:17:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:22:38 +0000 (UTC) I just got a refund on my deposit for the new MKII repeater from Full Compass the other day. According to the latest info. they have, Electrix has not even built a prototype yet, and they are a very long way from ever delivering product to the market. Full Compass has apparently had enough and is refunding money to all customers who placed advance orders. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 21:24:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADDF83BEF5; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:24:53 -0700 Subject: Please remove from List From: marla To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - drive29.mywwwserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marlaleigh.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:24:55 +0000 (UTC) --=20 Marla Leigh=20 Percussionist, Flautist, Composer http://www.marlaleigh.com =B3Enjoy life, slow down to the rhythm of existence=B2 Prem Rawat =B3Music is the silence between the notes=B2 - Claude Debussy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 21:35:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 308483BEF0; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45354CA9.4000809@frey.co.nz> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:35:37 +1300 From: Damian Stewart User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? References: <20061017170813.32583.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061017170813.32583.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:35:53 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm not knocking Live. It's a great app and so far > I'm totally happy with it. So happy I probably > wouldn't even care to upgrade at this point as I > haven't even figured out all v5's functionality yet, > but I got a newsletter that said I could and their > marketing has been very good at telling me I should, > so I figured "why not?" when i upgraded from 4 to 5, i found that i actually lost some audio processing capabilities. a song with 10 channels and about 30efx units plays fine in 4, but the same song crawls to a halt and stutters in 5. be warned. also, it's impossible to go back - once you save a song in live 5 format it's impossible to go back to 4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 21:55:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F91C3BEF4; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <9F7956FC-2647-408C-A614-C57EAAABA822@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <20061017210457.3619.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9F7956FC-2647-408C-A614-C57EAAABA822@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Speaking of the Repeater... Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:55:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Server-Quench: 265eb8a4-5e2a-11db-b1d3-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZVUxDEF1 UkhJREJQFg9tBBYB AFAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox10 OjIQEG5wZWJnbGMc HkFYcAAacgVPK01N O1RiUSYPMHgGZy4y WgVqM2t0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYH Xx0LHjQpEgUCSW0v LxFuEFMEEU8NP190 dx1J X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:55:10 +0000 (UTC) OH NO! FIDDLESTICKS On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I just got a refund on my deposit for the new MKII repeater from > Full Compass the other day. According to the latest info. they > have, Electrix has not even built a prototype yet, and they are a > very long way from ever delivering product to the market. Full > Compass has apparently had enough and is refunding money to all > customers who placed advance orders. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 22:27:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F59D3BEC7; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:29:33 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003701c6f23b$c3836bc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061016204103.65953.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:27:28 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.loopers-delight.com/anniversary/10YearAnniversary.html BRILLIANT POSTER!!!! IT made my brain loop! Damn, I wish I lived on the west coast. I'll hoist an Orval for y'all. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 22:53:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B947A3BECA; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6jvfErz+U66ONa0ztE3ZWsxVL2iRPHT6MDBGlyguggpfXasmZG7Kgze05c1PxC4bR1MPfYG9SMZveJ5i4GSYOnW5zqn5GFPjYn2UDp7ufHSzFFkrWJPjAvrjBpAS1gO6H+bLMrkqkUNqHDX57ty6/vzEnTP6k7Fi6vhyjfzL+GI= ; Message-ID: <20061017225323.56146.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: upgrading and system performance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45354CA9.4000809@frey.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:53:25 +0000 (UTC) > when i upgraded from 4 to 5, i found that i actually > lost some audio > processing capabilities. A long time ago I learned (the hard way) that no computer system is worth more than about 1 or 2 software version upgrades. You get more features and often higher quality, but there's always a price. More often than not, if your system is working the way you like it and you don't *need* the new features, it's best to make a disk image of your machine end freeze it in time. a song with 10 channels and > about 30efx units Wow, that sounds like a very, very heavy mix. None of those effects could be put no sends so a single instance of an effect might deal with multiple channels? Good way to save CPU cycles. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 23:11:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 776C63BED6; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453562F5.5060303@frey.co.nz> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:10:45 +1300 From: Damian Stewart User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: upgrading and system performance References: <20061017225323.56146.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061017225323.56146.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:11:00 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > More often than not, if your system is working the way > you like it and you don't *need* the new features, > it's best to make a disk image of your machine end > freeze it in time. b-b-but then it won't get 'better'! moore's law was largely an invention of the microelectronics industry to justify and 'naturalise' the industry practise of built-in obsolesence. over time it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. it is idiotic. my friend Warwick makes electro-blues with a commodore 64. http://www.myspace.com/control6580 > a song with 10 channels and >> about 30efx units > > Wow, that sounds like a very, very heavy mix. None of > those effects could be put no sends so a single > instance of an effect might deal with multiple > channels? Good way to save CPU cycles. that's not the way i make music :-) picture up to 5 sends, each sending to each other with variable amounts, with upwards of 5 (sometimes 10) effect units on each send == lovely lovely lovely feedback loops. especially with Live's digital clipping (it sounds nicer than other kinds). for a while my live performance process was: add a new effect unit to the feedback chain, play with it until i got bored, repeat. mainly because i could :-) aah digital... -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 17 23:59:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B61DE3BED9; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VQYqQAMA0EkOnt2Nh/HT2YHTfAC2URqjQC+I/scrrEX1YtrUuU85+oWtJ4zpvseNRsxfIgr+w6o9Iw+P8URXrT0i9RBKJZsGKXG/QMiSAzTC/Mp7dCN0zaOWz/rZoa4cNaAG2XLTtNtEnrf2ra1V1ncdBFZUjshUYC0AGdB727g= Message-ID: <588ce11d0610171659g75c1cacdx9a28e5d71c386cdc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:59:55 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA In-Reply-To: <003701c6f23b$c3836bc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061016204103.65953.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003701c6f23b$c3836bc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Great Poster! I'd buy the t-shirt if anyone was so inclined. Hop to see and meet you all there. On 10/17/06, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/anniversary/10YearAnniversary.html > > BRILLIANT POSTER!!!! IT made my brain loop! > Damn, I wish I lived on the west coast. > I'll hoist an Orval for y'all. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Life! Life! > Clouds and clowns! > You don't have to come down!" > - Sly and the Family Stone > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 03:55:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881CC3BED0; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HwvZfSmCxjtCYaI+yFgcpyqDwYPvzqwn6TaCRlnAK5eon0E8lodqABDM22iqYPwyusW1CV8jEaGMP6NerZ2SLFBuAycHHdw/ApUKpil7EuRvbIEjcAJ1dCu2Ft9VEVl+9hr+haRsvq2l42IIwZEAcwyXBa0BU9E0+ET1vq9uhz8= ; Message-ID: <20061018035519.86483.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Speaking of the Repeater... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9F7956FC-2647-408C-A614-C57EAAABA822@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:55:21 +0000 (UTC) too bad really i still had some little hopes cause the Repeater is a good product... cant understand why a company would do this,better to quit on a good note really... Luis --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I just got a refund on my deposit for the new MKII > repeater from Full > Compass the other day. According to the latest info. > they have, > Electrix has not even built a prototype yet, and > they are a very long > way from ever delivering product to the market. Full > Compass has > apparently had enough and is refunding money to all > customers who > placed advance orders. > > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 04:22:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7773BED9; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <20061017170813.32583.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <764c4b5760bdbe8fc08999182f13dfdc@cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: MD Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Mission Accomplished Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:23:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:22:39 +0000 (UTC) I was able to successfully download Live 6 as an upgrade to the special they ran. I was not able to do it before and I am not sure if they were upgrading their site and there was a lag time or whether I just did not do it properly. I believe someone previously gave the proper directions. Go to the website and log in. Make sure you log in and Make sure your Live 5.2 is registered. I did this process and today I noticed a clickpoint that indicated the need for a valid email to send free products to. I made sure my email was good and clicked it. I was routed to the Live 6 download and a serial number was automatically sent to my email address. I loaded Live 6 in my hard drive and entered the auth code and immediately had the option to unlock online and voila' and I am in business. I went back to the site and logged in again and the free option tab had disappeared. Good Luck if you haven't been successful yet. On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:11 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:08 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Not sure why. Maybe I put >> in a wrong number... I'll try it again tonight. > > Sorry to hear about such problems, I know it is frustrating with new > juicy software just out of reach. > > I checked thru my emails from Ableton and the only thing I can find is > that they changed their website and then sent me a registered user > login for the site when I got 5.2. > It says that if you are a registered user you don't have to mess with > inputing serial numbers. > > Everything was automatic for me on the upgrade with an email receipt > from the webstore showing purchase of 6 for free and new serial > number. > > So unless the extra traffic and website change has glitched things up, > the only thing I can think of is to try the upgrade process after you > login as a registered user at the site. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 19:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A56C3BED5; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gmsmu0RzOcZ/UT8RC/7IdKTI+k/MdQ+4JvN/UE70F3qF1Jkevw9rflpTSfYOFzE+VGBvXzgoMiGVkt3ucmDeGdfUjrKupUHK4pNaOX4qFe17cFqjmE1ffsg1D02M9Rm5Z49/fT8ZFC8sJ39wl7zzAec76G3bGdGfV5ZQzQjbHEk= ; Message-ID: <20061018194618.827.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Mission Accomplished To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <764c4b5760bdbe8fc08999182f13dfdc@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:46:21 +0000 (UTC) I just revisited and followed these instructions. No luck. 5.2 is indeed registered, but I see no clickpoint for "valid email address." They do have my email address, as they send me stuff all the time. Could it be that I don't get this chance because I upgraded from a Live Lite version? If that's the case I wish they'd just have some simple text explaining that. Mark --- MD wrote: > I was able to successfully download Live 6 as an > upgrade to the > special they ran. I was not able to do it before > and I am not sure if > they were upgrading their site and there was a lag > time or whether I > just did not do it properly. I believe someone > previously gave the > proper directions. Go to the website and log in. > Make sure you log in > and Make sure your Live 5.2 is registered. I did > this process and > today I noticed a clickpoint that indicated the need > for a valid email > to send free products to. I made sure my email was > good and clicked > it. I was routed to the Live 6 download and a > serial number was > automatically sent to my email address. I loaded > Live 6 in my hard > drive and entered the auth code and immediately had > the option to > unlock online and voila' and I am in business. I > went back to the site > and logged in again and the free option tab had > disappeared. Good > Luck if you haven't been successful yet. > On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:11 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > > > > On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:08 AM, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > >> Not sure why. Maybe I put > >> in a wrong number... I'll try it again tonight. > > > > Sorry to hear about such problems, I know it is > frustrating with new > > juicy software just out of reach. > > > > I checked thru my emails from Ableton and the only > thing I can find is > > that they changed their website and then sent me a > registered user > > login for the site when I got 5.2. > > It says that if you are a registered user you > don't have to mess with > > inputing serial numbers. > > > > Everything was automatic for me on the upgrade > with an email receipt > > from the webstore showing purchase of 6 for free > and new serial > > number. > > > > So unless the extra traffic and website change has > glitched things up, > > the only thing I can think of is to try the > upgrade process after you > > login as a registered user at the site. > > > > regards > > > > BobC > > > > > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 20:16:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7FAE3BEDE; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20061018194618.827.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061018194618.827.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: MD Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Mission Accomplished Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:16:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm.. You paid 99 bucks for the 5.2 with the promise of a free Live 6 upgrade offer? [< Time-limited Ableton offer: Upgrade to Live 6 for EUR/USD 99>] You now have it registered. Your email is registered and linked with your registration numbers. You saw no instructions or tab to click for free merchandise to be sent to you. The Lite may be an issue, but logically it doesn't make sense. I upgrade from Live 2 and I bet your edition of Live Lite was more advanced than 2. Seems to me they would not have let you have 5.2 in the first place if the LITE version was an issue. But who knows. One thing that I did that I did not mention. I emailed Nadine and told her that I could not get 6 and initialize it. She wrote back and told me to send her my purchase receipt and 5.2 serial number. She then wrote back with these instructions. Dear Marc, thank you for your e-mails. Sorry for the slightly delayed response. Please go to our webshop http://www.ableton.com/upgrade And enter your Live 5.2 serial number. You will automatically receive a Live 6 serial number for free sent to your personal account. Enjoy Live 6! It took a little more than that to finally get it completed. It sounds like you should get Live 6 and there is some glitch in your account. If you don't get any resolution and you live in the USA I would call the USA technical support line and give them a shot. Maybe they could intervene for you. Ableton has been unusually slow with emails lately and that has not been my experience with them in the past. They have always been kindly helpful to me. GL On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:46 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I just revisited and followed these instructions. No > luck. 5.2 is indeed registered, but I see no > clickpoint for "valid email address." They do have my > email address, as they send me stuff all the time. > > Could it be that I don't get this chance because I > upgraded from a Live Lite version? If that's the case > I wish they'd just have some simple text explaining > that. > > Mark > > --- MD wrote: > >> I was able to successfully download Live 6 as an >> upgrade to the >> special they ran. I was not able to do it before >> and I am not sure if >> they were upgrading their site and there was a lag >> time or whether I >> just did not do it properly. I believe someone >> previously gave the >> proper directions. Go to the website and log in. >> Make sure you log in >> and Make sure your Live 5.2 is registered. I did >> this process and >> today I noticed a clickpoint that indicated the need >> for a valid email >> to send free products to. I made sure my email was >> good and clicked >> it. I was routed to the Live 6 download and a >> serial number was >> automatically sent to my email address. I loaded >> Live 6 in my hard >> drive and entered the auth code and immediately had >> the option to >> unlock online and voila' and I am in business. I >> went back to the site >> and logged in again and the free option tab had >> disappeared. Good >> Luck if you haven't been successful yet. >> On Oct 17, 2006, at 2:11 PM, RP Collier wrote: >> >>> >>> On Oct 17, 2006, at 10:08 AM, mark sottilaro >> wrote: >>> >>>> Not sure why. Maybe I put >>>> in a wrong number... I'll try it again tonight. >>> >>> Sorry to hear about such problems, I know it is >> frustrating with new >>> juicy software just out of reach. >>> >>> I checked thru my emails from Ableton and the only >> thing I can find is >>> that they changed their website and then sent me a >> registered user >>> login for the site when I got 5.2. >>> It says that if you are a registered user you >> don't have to mess with >>> inputing serial numbers. >>> >>> Everything was automatic for me on the upgrade >> with an email receipt >>> from the webstore showing purchase of 6 for free >> and new serial >>> number. >>> >>> So unless the extra traffic and website change has >> glitched things up, >>> the only thing I can think of is to try the >> upgrade process after you >>> login as a registered user at the site. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> BobC >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >>> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 >>> http://tinyurl.com/cr25j >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo >>> >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41969054@N00/sets/72157594240725240/ >>> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 20:41:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F34B3BEB9; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c2qVIluzFHtC8C9TEkcr+2dzaYMmvPtaoOAmq88BLoARF5Kiz4ym9FgWDTwyyMxZ/vY5wsMGeq3TAs16rpOwNA0Ia8rNdYdiLXkhUoDIjXNu3XUAdxpgNGV8GauRY9vu8PZwDNDHKyeWAkm8dl/uai2lHmHlG0FproZM/338En4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:41:31 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Mission Accomplished In-Reply-To: <20061018194618.827.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_113515_33455810.1161204091727" References: <764c4b5760bdbe8fc08999182f13dfdc@cox.net> <20061018194618.827.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:41:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_113515_33455810.1161204091727 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/18/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > I just revisited and followed these instructions. No > luck. When I downloaded the upgrade, I actually had to go to the web store and "purchase" it for $0. Do you have an option for that? Doug ------=_Part_113515_33455810.1161204091727 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/18/06, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just revisited and followed these instructions.  No
luck.

When I downloaded the upgrade, I actually had to go to the web store and "purchase" it for $0.  Do you have an option for that?

Doug
------=_Part_113515_33455810.1161204091727-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 20:47:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AB2C3BED6; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <764c4b5760bdbe8fc08999182f13dfdc@cox.net> <20061018194618.827.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-361120352 Message-Id: <4C674E92-4B55-461C-9A41-1148F28D122F@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Mission Accomplished Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:47:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:47:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-17-361120352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i was able to download the upgrade, but i can't run it w/o a new serial number. i've sent two emails ( a week or so apart) and have sent notes from the website and have not gotten a single reply. there are only four hours of customer support a day, and every time i've tried to call during those hours, the line has been busy (10+ times...) did someone get an email reply? On Oct 18, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Doug Wellington wrote: > On 10/18/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > I just revisited and followed these instructions. No > luck. > > When I downloaded the upgrade, I actually had to go to the web > store and "purchase" it for $0. Do you have an option for that? > > Doug --Apple-Mail-17-361120352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i was able to download the = upgrade, but i can't run it w/o a new serial number. i've sent two = emails ( a week or so apart) and have sent notes from the website and = have not gotten a single reply. there are only four hours of customer = support a day, and every time i've tried to call during those hours, the = line has been busy (10+ times...)

=A0did someone get an email = reply?




On Oct 18, = 2006, at 4:41 PM, Doug Wellington wrote:

On = 10/18/06, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com&= gt; wrote:
I just revisited = and followed these instructions.=A0=A0No
luck.

= When I downloaded the upgrade, I actually had to go to the web store and = "purchase" it for $0.=A0 Do you have an option for that?

= Doug

= --Apple-Mail-17-361120352-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 21:31:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24D93BEB5; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o5Jto65Buai9hhY823KNfZSlFl0eYb4aUcHloWgRzaGJydlAVWpggyX37aYIXQ3asO7v1EYzZPFtbANJ5AynZLq8N8U5ickoVoTC4wqNbNk6+B28OPIF1yoQF7WqOp9RoGwnJo7jLf24E4iE8utkuF/OaAV13TDT/yjjdA4vtho= ; Message-ID: <20061018213119.90239.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Mission Accomplished To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Oh that's interesting. I had not tried that. Thanks for the tip. --- Doug Wellington wrote: > On 10/18/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > > I just revisited and followed these instructions. > No > > luck. > > > When I downloaded the upgrade, I actually had to go > to the web store and > "purchase" it for $0. Do you have an option for > that? > > Doug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 18 22:26:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DC3E3BECF; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20061018213119.90239.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061018213119.90239.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: MD Subject: Re: OT... Live 6 upgrade path? Mission Accomplished Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:26:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <3znAwC.A.QSB.DoqNFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:26:11 +0000 (UTC) That is the free merchandise link I believe. On Oct 18, 2006, at 4:31 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Oh that's interesting. I had not tried that. Thanks > for the tip. > > --- Doug Wellington wrote: > >> On 10/18/06, mark sottilaro >> wrote: >>> >>> I just revisited and followed these instructions. >> No >>> luck. >> >> >> When I downloaded the upgrade, I actually had to go >> to the web store and >> "purchase" it for $0. Do you have an option for >> that? >> >> Doug >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 10:14:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AF733BED5; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [194.125.126.180] X-Originating-Email: [paulliamgrant@msn.com] X-Sender: paulliamgrant@msn.com From: "PAUL GRANT" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: inputing bass Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:14:56 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2006 10:14:57.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D939F50:01C6F367] Resent-Message-ID: <706emB.A.WnF.iA1NFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:59 +0000 (UTC)

im thinking of buying a loop station but do i  need an octive divider for inputing bass sounds from my six string acoustic - are there any loop stations that can drop a guitar sound an octave?

thanks


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Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Dutch musician Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "DisConnected" on AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Mosaic" by Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records and released in 1984. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. COMING THIS WEEK: THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, October 21 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 13:39:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F30903BED5; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.193.184.149] X-Originating-Email: [johncecilprice@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: John Cecil Price To: Subject: gig spam oct 23, philly, pa usa Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:39:57 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2006 13:39:57.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[11272AD0:01C6F384] Resent-Message-ID: <6_SLaD.A.q3D.uA4NFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:39:58 +0000 (UTC) DQpoZXkgZ3V5cywNCg0KaG9wZSB0byBzZWUgeSdhbGxAYmFyIG5vaXIgbG9jYXRlZCBpbiB0aGUg cml0dGVuaG91c2Ugc3F1YXJlIHNlY3Rpb24gb2YgY2VudGVyIGNpdHksIHBoaWxhZGVscGhpYSwg cGEgLSB1c2EgLS0gb24gbW9uLiBPY3QgMjNyZCwgOXBtLTJhbSAtLS0tIGl0J3MgYSBmcmVlIHNo b3cgLS0tIGZlYXR1cmluZyBteSBuZXcgJiB2ZXJ5IHJvY2sgbicgcm9sbCBiYW5kLCBCYXB0aXN0 IFByZWFjaGVycyAtLSBCUCBpcyBoZWFkbGluaW5nL21ha2luZyBhIFBoaWxseSBkZWJ1dCAodGhp bmsgbG91ZCBwdW5rLCB1cmJhbiAtIGZlbWFsZSBmcm9udGVkLCBzdXJmLCBoYXJkY29yZS04MCdz IHBvcC1uZXd3YXZlICYgc3RheCBzdHlsZWQgcm5iIGNvbGxpZGluZyB3aXRoIG11dGF0ZWQgamF6 eiBzdGFuZGFyZHMgZG9uZSBwdW5rICAmIHlvdSdsbCBnZXQgaXQpIC0tLSBvcGVuaW5nIGZvciBC UCBpcyBhIHJldW5pb24gb2YgbXkgb2xkIGJhbmQgYWthc2g6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubXlzcGFjZS5j b20vYWthc2htdXNpYzAxICh0aGluayBtZWdhLWRyb25lLCBsYXllcmVkLCBsb29wZWQgZ3VpdGFy cywgc3ludGhzLCBwc3ljaCwgc3BhY2Vyb2NrLCBub2lzZSwgZnJlZSBqYXp6ICYgbG90J3Mgb2Yg dmlzdWFsIC0gYmRzbSB0aGVtZWQgcGVyZm9ybWFuY2UgYXJ0IG1hcnJpZWQgdG8gcmFkaWNhbC1s ZWZ0IGxlYW5pbmcgLSBmZW1hbGUtc3Bva2VuIHdvcmQgJiBvZiBjb3Vyc2UgYWRkIGZ1bGwgb24t bnVkaXR5ICYgeWVhaCwgeW91J2xsIHN0YXJ0IHRvIGdldCB0aGUgcGljKS4gICsgaXQncyBteSBi aXJ0aGRheSBwYXJ0eSB0b28uIA0KDQomIGJ5IGdvbGx5LCB0aGVyZSdzIGEgcmVhbGx5IG5pY2Ug bWVudGlvbiBvZiB0aGlzIGxpbCcgZXZlbnQgaW4gdGhpcyB3ZWVrcyBwaGlsYWRlbHBoaWEgY2l0 eXBhcGVyIC0tLSBvdXRAZmluZXIgbmV3c3RhbmRzLCBzdHJlZXQgY29ybmVycyBpbiBwaGlsbHkg JiBhbHNvIHZpZXdhYmxlIG9ubGluZToNCiANCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2l0eXBhcGVyLm5ldC9hcnRp Y2xlcy8yMDA2LzEwLzE5L0ljZXBhY2sNCg0KJiBqdXN0IGZvciBteSBmaXJld2FsbGVkIGZyaWVu ZHMgb3V0IHRoZXJlIHdobyBhcmUgcGVyaGFwc0B3b3JrQHRoZWlyIGRheSBnaWcsIHBsZWFzZSBk byBzZWUgcmVsZXZhbnQgdHh0IHBhc3RlZCBiZWxvdzoNCg0K4pa6IEZ1dHVyZSBwZXJmZWN0IGFy dC1ob3VzZSByb2NrZXIvYW5hcmNoaXN0L2pvdXJuYWxpc3QvZXgtVGVtcGxlIG9mIEJvbiBNYXRp biBkdWRlIEpvaG4gQ2VjaWwgUHJpY2UgaGFzIGRvbmUgZXZlcnl0aGluZyBmcm9tIHNwb2tlbi13 b3JkLXNjZW50ZWQgZnVuayB3aXRoIFBoaWwgTW9vcmUgQnJvd24ncyBDaHVjayBEICh3aXRoIHdo b20gaGUnbGwgYmUgd29ya2luZyBpbiBEZWNlbWJlcikgdG8gZnJlZSBqYXp6IHdpdGggRWxsaW90 dCBMZXZpbiB0byBmcmVlLXNwYWNlLWdvdGgtYW1iaWVudCBob28taGFoIHdpdGggQWthc2ggKHdp dGggd2hvbSBKQ1AgaGFkIGEgbGVnZW5kYXJ5IGZhbGxpbmcgb3V0KS4gUGx1cyB5b3UndmUgZ290 IHRvIGZpbmQgaGlzIGFsbC10aGF0LWFuZC1tb3JlIGNvbXBpbGF0aW9uIENELCBUaGUgQmxhY2sg YW5kIEJsdWUgQW1lcmljYW4uIFdlbGwsIG5vdCBvbmx5IHdpbGwgUHJpY2UgZGVidXQgaGlzIG5l dyBCYXB0aXN0IFByZWFjaGVycyDigJQgcG9wL3N1cmYvUiZCIGRvbmUgaGFyZGNvcmUg4oCUIGF0 IEJhciBOb2lyIE9jdC4gMjMgZm9yIGhpcyBiaXJ0aGRheS4gSGUnbGwgcmV1bml0ZSBmb3IgYSBv bmUtdGltZS1vbmx5IEFrYXNoIGdpZy4gIkl0J3MgdGltZSB0byBidXJ5IHRoZSBoYXRjaGV0LCIg c2F5cyBQcmljZSwgd2hvIGNhbGxzIGhpcyBQcmVhY2hlcnMgInRoZSBzdHJvbmdlc3QgYmFuZCBJ J3ZlIGV2ZXIgcGxheWVkIHdpdGggbWFraW5nIHRoZSBtb3N0IGFjY2Vzc2libGUgbXVzaWMgSSd2 ZSBldmVyIHBsYXllZC4iIA0KDQpKb2huIENlY2lsIFByaWNlDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmpvaG5jZWNp bHByaWNlLmNvbQ0KX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCkNoZWNrIHRoZSB3ZWF0aGVyIG5hdGlvbndpZGUgd2l0aCBN U04gU2VhcmNoOiBUcnkgaXQgbm93IQ0KaHR0cDovL3NlYXJjaC5tc24uY29tL3Jlc3VsdHMuYXNw eD9xPXdlYXRoZXImRk9STT1XTE1UQUc= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 13:55:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861A13BED5; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c6f386$32afd830$67b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <015e01c6e213$f8bf4b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Y2K6 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL 5th ANNIVERSARY October 18-23rd Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:55:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C6F353.E7334590" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:55:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C6F353.E7334590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "loop.pool" =20 > If you can't make it , please tune in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime = broadcast of the whole affair. =20 I heading out to my flight here in an hour, to San Franciso. Before I = leave, here is the streaming info for the main festival performances on = Saturday and Sunday. I'll write more later Friday night or Saturday = morining when I'm on line again. Webcast (Y2K6 Streamed to the Internet) http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (Click on "Listen") System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players = (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as = follows:=20 a.. Windows users should use Winamp - = http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download=20 b.. Mac users should use Audion - = http://www.panic.com/audion/index.html=20 c.. Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS - http://www.xmms.org=20 d.. Quintessential Media Player - http://www.quinnware.com/=20 Note: iTunes and Windows Media Player are reported to work for Windows = users as well Availability The performance will be limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first = come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone = drops out) Contact/Support: info@krispenhartung.com Cheers, Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C6F353.E7334590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message ----- =
From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com>

>  If you can't make it , = please tune=20 in to Krispen Hartungs' realtime broadcast of the whole=20 affair.  
 
I heading out to my flight here in an = hour, to San=20 Franciso. Before I leave, here is the streaming info for the main = festival=20 performances on Saturday and Sunday. I'll write more later Friday night = or=20 Saturday morining when I'm on line again.
 

Webcast (Y2K6 = Streamed to the=20 Internet)

http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

System Requirements

Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a = variety of=20 platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). = Recommended=20 players are as follows:

Note: iTunes and Windows Media Player are = reported to=20 work for Windows users as well

Availability

The performance will be limited to 30 = listening=20 seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, = keep trying=20 in case someone drops out)

Contact/Support: info@krispenhartung.com

Cheers,
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C6F353.E7334590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 14:03:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171123BEFC; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453785AE.8030102@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:03:26 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inputing bass References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030105030902070109030700" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0642-3, 10/19/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:03:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030105030902070109030700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This will, of course, revert to a hardware vs. software question. I don't know of any loopers, hardware or software, in and of themselves that will really give you what you're looking for. Then again, I'm not terribly familiar with most loopers. In the software world, Mobius does have pitch and rate adjustment features. However, I haven't had much success with these when playing a rhythmic bass line. Still some bugs to work out there, I think. Krispen has pointed out a VST called Edge (if I'm remembering correctly) that he uses in conjunction with Mobius to produce some great bass sounds from his guitars. I'm sure he can give you more details if you're interested. --Josh PAUL GRANT wrote: > > im thinking of buying a loop station but do i need an octive divider > for inputing bass sounds from my six string acoustic - are there any > loop stations that can drop a guitar sound an octave? > > thanks > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Pull in info from across the Web - use the RSS feature on MSN! > --------------030105030902070109030700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This will, of course, revert to a hardware vs. software question.  I don't know of any loopers, hardware or software, in and of themselves that will really give you what you're looking for.  Then again, I'm not terribly familiar with most loopers.  In the software world, Mobius does have pitch and rate adjustment features.  However, I haven't had much success with these when playing a rhythmic bass line.  Still some bugs to work out there, I think.  Krispen has pointed out a VST called Edge (if I'm remembering correctly) that he uses in conjunction with Mobius to produce some great bass sounds from his guitars.  I'm sure he can give you more details if you're interested.

--Josh



PAUL GRANT wrote:

im thinking of buying a loop station but do i  need an octive divider for inputing bass sounds from my six string acoustic - are there any loop stations that can drop a guitar sound an octave?

thanks


Pull in info from across the Web - use the RSS feature on MSN!
--------------030105030902070109030700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 14:48:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D88F23BEDA; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,330,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="1036796828:sNHT328058732" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: HAPPY 10-YEAR ANNIVERSAY LOOPER'S DELIGHT! Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:48:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3M5QDD.A.lBG.RB5NFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kim, et al, Well the October 3rd 10-year anniversary of my own first post to the list kinda slipped by me. I meant to post something by way of a "thank you" and "Happy 10th" then. What can I say? I'm kinda slow. I just want to say here publicly (and for the record) that Kim has done an amazing thing. He has provided a place for a previously nonexistent community (albeit virtual) to develop and thrive for over 10 years. That is an amazing feat. This forum -- and the many friends I have made on it -- have made a great difference in my life over the past decade. Words cannot express the gratitude I feel Kim. Thanks is too small a word. For what it's worth. I'll put a coin or two in the LD PayPal "cup" at: I encourage any others here who appreciate this little place in cyberspace to do the same. Hope to see you all at the party in Oakland: Friday, October 20, 2006, 8pm Orbis Nex, 851 81st Ave, Unit 217, Oakland, CA, USA (dial 200 at the door) $5 donation at the door, BYOB. Best regards, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 14:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3657E3BEEA; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:51:16 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Jeff Shirkey , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Speaking of the Repeater... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9F7956FC-2647-408C-A614-C57EAAABA822@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <9F7956FC-2647-408C-A614-C57EAAABA822@midway.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9MpMHB.A.aKG.xD5NFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:51:30 +0000 (UTC) > I just got a refund on my deposit for the new MKII repeater Very sad. I think that looping musicians need more choices and not less. The new looping devices recently introduced don't compete at the same price point that the Repeater would compete at. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 15:10:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7FB3BEB5; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:00:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Looping gig in sheffield Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4537A10A.8080.AAC42F@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20061019133959.9DB863BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:10:01 +0000 (UTC) I have a gig in Sheffield, UK on friday 20th October, more details here. http://discus-music.co.uk/osefest.htm All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 15:21:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC0E73BEE2; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_FAIL X-Spam-Check-By: omail.authdirect.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: inputing bass Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:18:59 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c6f391$ebffb890$a31912ac@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F35F.A1654890" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <453785AE.8030102@infinivert.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on omail.authdirect.com Resent-Message-ID: <_58WC.A.V9G.Og5NFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:21:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F35F.A1654890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, you gotta love free internet in the airport. Yes, Badass Edge. I love it. It's not just an octave, but has some other interesting filtering features. I can't describe what it is, but this VST makes my guitar sound like a bass guitar better than any other octave patch I've used...it even blows away the pitch shifting on my Boss VF1. More here: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1417.html "EDGE is a subharmonic synth, which means that if you feed it audio the resulting output will be your audio plus extra low bass.Unlike most bass enhancers, it doesn't just boost the bass or shape the lower frequencies. What it does is takes the input signal and creates a bass signal one (or even two) octaves lower than the original. Because not every signal is a simple sine wave, there is input filtering which effectively gives the plugin a more simple waveform to process." Oh, wow...now I see why it sounds so different. It is a subharmonic synth. This thing can shake the earth if you have some wattage in the cottage. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inputing bass This will, of course, revert to a hardware vs. software question. I don't know of any loopers, hardware or software, in and of themselves that will really give you what you're looking for. Then again, I'm not terribly familiar with most loopers. In the software world, Mobius does have pitch and rate adjustment features. However, I haven't had much success with these when playing a rhythmic bass line. Still some bugs to work out there, I think. Krispen has pointed out a VST called Edge (if I'm remembering correctly) that he uses in conjunction with Mobius to produce some great bass sounds from his guitars. I'm sure he can give you more details if you're interested. --Josh PAUL GRANT wrote: im thinking of buying a loop station but do i need an octive divider for inputing bass sounds from my six string acoustic - are there any loop stations that can drop a guitar sound an octave? thanks _____ Pull in info from across the Web - use the RSS feature on MSN! ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F35F.A1654890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ah,=20 you gotta love free internet in the airport. Yes, Badass Edge. I love = it. It's=20 not just an octave, but has some other interesting filtering = features.  I=20 can't describe what it is, but this VST makes my guitar sound like a = bass guitar=20 better than any other octave patch I've used...it even blows away the = pitch=20 shifting on my Boss VF1.
 
More=20 here:
 
http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1417.html
 
"EDGE is a subharmonic synth, = which means=20 that if you feed it audio the resulting output will be your audio plus = extra low=20 bass.Unlike most bass enhancers, it doesn't just boost the bass or shape = the=20 lower frequencies. What it does is takes the input signal and creates a = bass=20 signal one (or even two) octaves lower than the original. Because not = every=20 signal is a simple sine wave, there is input filtering which effectively = gives=20 the plugin a more simple waveform to process."
 
Oh,=20 wow...now I see why it sounds so different. It is a subharmonic synth. = This=20 thing can shake the earth if you have some wattage in the=20 cottage.
 
Kris
-----Original Message-----
From: = Joshua Carroll=20 [mailto:josh@infinivert.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, = 2006 8:03=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 inputing bass

This will, of course, revert to a = hardware=20 vs. software question.  I don't know of any loopers, hardware or=20 software, in and of themselves that will really give you what you're = looking=20 for.  Then again, I'm not terribly familiar with most = loopers.  In=20 the software world, Mobius does have pitch and rate adjustment = features. =20 However, I haven't had much success with these when playing a rhythmic = bass=20 line.  Still some bugs to work out there, I think.  Krispen = has=20 pointed out a VST called Edge (if I'm remembering correctly) that he = uses in=20 conjunction with Mobius to produce some great bass sounds from his=20 guitars.  I'm sure he can give you more details if you're=20 interested.

--Josh



PAUL GRANT wrote:=20

im thinking of buying a loop station but do i  need an = octive=20 divider for inputing bass sounds from my six string acoustic - are = there any=20 loop stations that can drop a guitar sound an octave?

thanks


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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F35F.A1654890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 19 21:55:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7573C3BEC7; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Y2K6LOOPFEST - first recordings online Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:54:43 -0700 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c6f3c9$51fe3c70$6701a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbzyS898LlxtDuvQTyQm25DuiETqg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:55:54 +0000 (UTC) The first tune from my set at Anno Domini Gallery, San Jos=E9/CA on = 10-18 as part of the www.y2k6loopfest.com. www.eblah.de/audio/I_left_my_Pants_in_San_Francisco.mp3 Enjoy! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 02:28:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D0633BECD; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sa7uqpPx1iRSxSDk0zNIfKkJ/XQekKDuv1hemF/8J5zZ9wmik9fD9lH1yKHITU55RnUfNvrcUO91U/L4wgoGwnXNXdjyDX/mJpI9dPWGRFPGWHvRulkeQQMIeCN8rlQNBxO6eEmIjURqCnx0R8BFHy1oBwl40qZk4DmdsNWOWPM= ; Message-ID: <20061020022817.95577.qmail@web81015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: further questions about midi sync. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2A34243F-5D3C-4C9A-87A4-993323EF7A71@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:28:19 +0000 (UTC) hello all, i posted recently about midi sync. initially i wanted to have my echoplex drive my machine drum and then my machine drum to trigger my nord modular sequences. well, some of this did work and it has been fun, but i have issues with the nord. when i trigger its sequencer from machinedrum, i only want their clocks in sync. but, the nord plays all the notes that are cued from steps on my machine drum as well and doesn't seem to follow the clock very well. also, i was thinking that maybe i wouldn't always want the echoplex to be the master clock. i was looking at the midisync devices out there by motu but i am not sure if they more than i need. i basically want every gadget to be on the same clock but do not necessarily want the notes from multiple synths to play in tandem via midi sync. any and all help is greatly appreciated! margaret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 07:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8D833BEC1; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: kaMTUqxM5w0U0iblXsOOdkJsTsBuLHJjnHD866mCPOk= X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <001a01c6f415$9259ff60$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <20061020022817.95577.qmail@web81015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: further questions about midi sync. Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:01:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:01:36 +0000 (UTC) all this is too vague to make some efficient debugging notes,controlers are on midi channels sync has no channels is distributed to all if one plays the note of the others : they are on the same channel...... with only those devices you dont need midi sync toys edp out Dr in Dr out G2 in this is a start Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret noble" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:28 AM Subject: further questions about midi sync. hello all, i posted recently about midi sync. initially i wanted to have my echoplex drive my machine drum and then my machine drum to trigger my nord modular sequences. well, some of this did work and it has been fun, but i have issues with the nord. when i trigger its sequencer from machinedrum, i only want their clocks in sync. but, the nord plays all the notes that are cued from steps on my machine drum as well and doesn't seem to follow the clock very well. also, i was thinking that maybe i wouldn't always want the echoplex to be the master clock. i was looking at the midisync devices out there by motu but i am not sure if they more than i need. i basically want every gadget to be on the same clock but do not necessarily want the notes from multiple synths to play in tandem via midi sync. any and all help is greatly appreciated! margaret __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 11:13:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AF583BEB8; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=1QrW1kTFKyeTn5Pjnq/ZyGWThqYfeVeJOoKDAlP+Vpn6n6NmzOxEH38QWHY/JnLA1n7JteEgM5+vEIZw50hbBg+aYpZLbLYfIlNN0DeZwqFezVOvVZySyAHg3nSEAd7Cgd2g9Pv70E4cBFzITAFfF2Z7IUV6sQZA4KmZgbHx+Xo= ; Message-ID: <003a01c6f438$c7a67a40$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20061020022817.95577.qmail@web81015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: further questions about midi sync. Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:13:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Hello, It should be possible on the modular to de-activate the KBD tracking. Isn't there a KBD button on each OSC that do just that? To bring this On Topic again. Is anyone using the G2 as his looping device? It includes a delay that can be placed anywhere in the the signal chain, allowing the loops to be modulated, filtered,.., mangled in a lot of ways. Unfortunately the G2 is out of my price range, still hoping Clavia will release a microG2 one day ;-) Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret noble" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:28 AM Subject: further questions about midi sync. > hello all, > > i posted recently about midi sync. initially i wanted > to have my echoplex drive my machine drum and then my > machine drum to trigger my nord modular sequences. > > well, some of this did work and it has been fun, but i > have issues with the nord. when i trigger its > sequencer from machinedrum, i only want their clocks > in sync. but, the nord plays all the notes that are > cued from steps on my machine drum as well and doesn't > seem to follow the clock very well. > > also, i was thinking that maybe i wouldn't always > want the echoplex to be the master clock. > > i was looking at the midisync devices out there by > motu but i am not sure if they more than i need. i > basically want every gadget to be on the same clock > but do not necessarily want the notes from multiple > synths to play in tandem via midi sync. > > any and all help is greatly appreciated! > > margaret > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Demandez à ceux qui savent sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 12:55:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177C13BECC; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01c6f391$ebffb890$a31912ac@khartung> References: <000b01c6f391$ebffb890$a31912ac@khartung> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:54:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: inputing bass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2006 12:55:09.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[F941B980:01C6F446] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:55:11 +0000 (UTC) for a HW solution: EBS octabass works reasonably even with a polyphonic input (several strings played) Paradis PolyBass is perfect since it octaves 4 strings separately. its now available on a small PCB that fits into the guitar - but it takes a polyphonic PU http://rolfspuler.com for a SW solution: Chopitch slowes the note down, so there are no glitches, and it does not just add a lower frequency as the others mentioned, but tunes the whole sound an octave down. http://www.mathons.com I use PolyBass constantely to fill the bass range and for soft bass lines (as you hear in all of my music since 1985) and Chopitch for strong and jazzy bass lines. It also does very deep synth like bass which no bass guitar can do! Matthias by the way: did you realize the new language trend? Paul is speaking of a loop station - not meaning a Roland device, but any tool that a looper would use... > >PAUL GRANT wrote: > >>im thinking of buying a loop station but do i  need an octive >>divider for inputing bass sounds from my six string acoustic - are >>there any loop stations that can drop a guitar sound an octave? >> >thanks -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 15:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 151533BECD; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4538E513.9070808@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:02:43 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6LOOPFEST - first recordings online References: <20061020125512.928463BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20061020125512.928463BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6U2J4D.A.KbF.QUOOFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, thanks for coming all the way from Munich and knocking me out with that piece. It was the coolest thing that ever happened to me in downtown San Jose :-) Dennis >The first tune from my set at Anno Domini Gallery, San José/CA on 10-18 as >part of the www.y2k6loopfest.com. > >www.eblah.de/audio/I_left_my_Pants_in_San_Francisco.mp3 > >Enjoy! > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 17:48:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080843BEAB; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <338.7Noby@asatsolutions.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:48:18 +0200 From: "Juan Yoder" To: loopers-delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Subject: TelCan Subscription MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Welcome To Liquid Web Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:48:21 +0000 (UTC) You've Seen Them On TV... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:05:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E441D3BEB6; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s5c70CZ00lPo80JooKRhGhgES2Evyu9t7tsSGOjnrZoAdwdrNwzokvNpSz5E1LsGU/dHbj+ANQ+wtVRXO+G297uPObZeRjCUjgn3fCKHZ13++RDCv/flLcknGDuD0aI1fl3bSiXwrDFoLm7vIaJ10NTNKqQ/TrSLsQEp3MamZcA= ; Message-ID: <20061020190535.36083.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: inputing bass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <15bJcD.A.xYD.A4ROFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:05:36 +0000 (UTC) As far as I know the only "Loop station" (or as I call it, a "looper") that does pitch shifting (with no tempo change) is The Electrix Repeater. Sounds great. Alternately you can do fun stuff with the speed of your loop that doesn't change the pitch. What will my loop sound like at 20 bpm without effecting the pitch? Give the knob a twirl and find out. For software, Live does a nice job of changing pitch up or down... so does Mobius I think, though I've never used it for this. Also for funky synthy stuff check out Kantos. You can find it for $50 on ebay and works pretty well with guitar or voice. EDP, Looperlative and others all have half speed functions so if you can play your bass line at double speed and then later slow it down, it works very nicely, but sounds slowed down. Cool but different. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA86E3BECD; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SQpzixWra7+jFzsnYlMFF/lEEu/SRblhw32OvRG/QvkpWl91LOdc+SWDbTIoFYWGoO4krTVqevgRY/AJDGApokCUm1xmVMpqgL06WO5ZtEWk7xf0zoiVpoHU6n693o386/zxCagr6E0Y82DzWz05v14wUul32y/XPZ1zmgTamBw= ; Message-ID: <20061020190713.76872.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: further questions about midi sync. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c6f438$c7a67a40$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:07:15 +0000 (UTC) I never owned a Machinedrum but I was a MONOMACHINE owner and there is way to get into the settings and tell it what midi channels to listen to for what tracks. I think you can also tell tracks to transmit or not. (Sorry, a while ago I ditched hardware and I'm now all software for sequences Yay Micro Tonic!) I think the key to doing what you want is making sure your devices are set up to listen to the channels you want them to (or none and they'll still hear sync if they're set up as a slave) and ingore the channels you don't want them to. Takes a bit of set up but once you figure it out you should be able to get what you want. As far as switching sync sources, I've always found it too problematic and I mostly just use my sequencer as clock source. If you want to start without the sequence use a mixer to monitor your sequence in headphones while you record and then bring in the sequence track when ever you see fit. Either that or I'd start with a synth sound that had a rhythmic element or guitar with a synced effect and that can act like a metronome. --- Ben wrote: > Hello, > > It should be possible on the modular to de-activate > the KBD tracking. > Isn't there a KBD button on each OSC that do just > that? > > To bring this On Topic again. > Is anyone using the G2 as his looping device? It > includes a delay that can > be placed anywhere in the the signal chain, allowing > the loops to be > modulated, filtered,.., mangled in a lot of ways. > Unfortunately the G2 is out of my price range, still > hoping Clavia will > release a microG2 one day ;-) > > Ben. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "margaret noble" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:28 AM > Subject: further questions about midi sync. > > > > hello all, > > > > i posted recently about midi sync. initially i > wanted > > to have my echoplex drive my machine drum and then > my > > machine drum to trigger my nord modular sequences. > > > > well, some of this did work and it has been fun, > but i > > have issues with the nord. when i trigger its > > sequencer from machinedrum, i only want their > clocks > > in sync. but, the nord plays all the notes that > are > > cued from steps on my machine drum as well and > doesn't > > seem to follow the clock very well. > > > > also, i was thinking that maybe i wouldn't always > > want the echoplex to be the master clock. > > > > i was looking at the midisync devices out there by > > motu but i am not sure if they more than i need. i > > basically want every gadget to be on the same > clock > > but do not necessarily want the notes from > multiple > > synths to play in tandem via midi sync. > > > > any and all help is greatly appreciated! > > > > margaret > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 19:27:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E633BEDD; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061020122327.108e3bb0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:29:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: HAPPY 10-YEAR ANNIVERSAY LOOPER'S DELIGHT! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) At 07:48 AM 10/19/2006, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >I just want to say here publicly (and for the record) that Kim has done an >amazing thing. He has provided a place for a previously nonexistent >community (albeit virtual) to develop and thrive for over 10 years. That >is an amazing feat. > >This forum -- and the many friends I have made on it -- have made a great >difference in my life over the past decade. Words cannot express the >gratitude I feel Kim. Thanks is too small a word. For what it's worth. >I'll put a coin or two in the LD PayPal "cup" at: > Ted, thanks a lot for the kind words and the coin in the cup! It does make a difference to me. And thanks to all of you who have come here over these past 10 years, making this an interesting and dynamic community. Creating and maintaining a website is one thing, but it is all of us participating that made Looper's Delight happen. >I encourage any others here who appreciate this little place in cyberspace >to do the same. Hope to see you all at the party in Oakland: > > Friday, October 20, 2006, 8pm > Orbis Nex, > 851 81st Ave, Unit 217, > Oakland, CA, USA > (dial 200 at the door) > $5 donation at the door, BYOB. See you tonight! It's going to be fun. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 21:22:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77C8B3BEB0; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00df01c6f48d$cc9cc4f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: PIX: Y2K6 Experimental Looping at the Luggage Store, San Francisco Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:22:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <0WjaED.A.rG.-3TOFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Here are some pix from the Experimental Side of Looping gig at the Luggage Store. www.looppool.info/y2k6loopfest/experimentalLOOPING Thanks to Matt for hosting us. We had a wonderful gig with surprise appearances by Per Boysen (who was my official 'processor/looper" for the evening and Ryusei Hattori who played a beautiful Daxaphone improvisation with Rainer Straschill, Per and myself. Krispen Hartung and Jeff Kasier had a beautiful opening set. I was really impressed! I really liked the synergy between these two wonderful musicians. The music was really out and challenging but at the same time, deeply musical and these guys were really practising deep, deep listening. I, myself, only played instruments last night (mostly metal sound sources with a lot of singing and my (gasp!) debut on purple anodized pocket trumpet. I was so nervous doing it because Jeff Kaiser is a master trumpet player and I've been playing for a good two months, but Per did truly beautiful processing and looping and Rainer was really laying down some beautiful atmospheric sounds as well. Later we will find out if Kris Hartung M-Audio recorder got a good recording of the show. I hope so because it was one of my favorite shows I've done in the last year or so. On to the Loopers Delght Party tonight. Bill and Scoots (Michael Klobuchar) went down last night while we were gone and set up the entire festival. I thought today would be the day from hell in terms of logistics so they just saved a lot of work and worry. Thanks a lot you guys!!!!! We're on for the big festival tomorrow night........................yeah!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 21:23:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3A13BEAC; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Y2K6LOOPFEST - snippets from The Luggage Store, SF on 10-19 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:23:40 -0700 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c6f48e$04bce720$8601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acb0iLJ8gdI4cSIRRM273z5ybujEzQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Ok, on with the show... We had a splendid show yesterday with Jeff Kaiser and Krispen Hartung opening, then Rick Walker (looped by Per Boysen) and me...wait for Krispen to post some more complete recordings of this show (as I understand, he will record the entire festival starting with yesterday's gig); from me, only my short solo weirdness ending the show... www.eblah.de/audio/Lab_Animal.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 22:00:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4332B3BEB9; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K6 Experimental Looping at the Luggage Store, San Francisco Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:00:09 -0700 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c6f493$1d5b4b50$8601a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acb0jcuY2BeR0al4R9WZFOR43v9Q6gABRcaQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <00df01c6f48d$cc9cc4f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: <5EEWkB.A.9hB.rbUOFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:11 +0000 (UTC) > Here are some pix from the Experimental Side of Looping gig > at the Luggage Store. Thanks for sharing, Rick! Here are some more (impressions of and around the festival): http://www.flickr.com/photos/moinsound/ > Later we will find out if Kris Hartung M-Audio recorder got a > good recording of the show. > I hope so because it was one of my favorite shows I've done > in the last year or so. he did...looking forward to find it on the web! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 20 22:55:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FEEB3BEB6; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 Thursday Night Recordings and Pictures on Web Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:24:50 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161384927_549652@S2.cableone.net> X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:55:29 +0000 (UTC) =0D =0D

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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 03:23:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171253BEC1; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453992C1.5030608@hotmail.it> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 05:23:45 +0200 From: weaviestonder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Suggestion about looping gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone, greetings from Italy! I am new to this mailing list because I have discovered Looper's Delight only recently. I don't know if it's ok for me to start a new thread about looping gear, but since I havent been quite able to quite find an answer to my questions in the archive, I thought I'd give it a shot. If this post is redundant, please excuse me, I promise I'll behave in the future :) Ok so here is the thing. I have been working with loops for a while, but always at home, never live. I play guitar and use Acid on my PC: I build soundscapes with variously processed bits of guitar riffs. So basically I just loop my stuff with Acid. Now I am going to do a few live gigs, and I need to loop phrases in real time to build layers of sounds on stage. In the future I am considering using a laptop with a MIDI foot controller, but for now I think I'd just like to go for a pedal. I have read thousands of reviews, but I thought I'd ask advice from this community, since I am more likely to find people here who have a similar approach to looping - I mean, elsewhere I have often read reviews to find out in the last line they were written by people who would use loopers just to practice their solos, which is ok but I need a different perspective. So, I was going to go for a Line 6 DL-4, or a Boss RC-20 or Rc-20 XL. Yet, it doesn't seem they are quite my thing. Line 6 pedal is deemed to be not very reliable (see the appalling reviews on harmony-central.com); Boss's pedal seemed to be mainly used by people who like to store loops in advance, rather than looping in real time. I also thought I could buy just a simple delay, but my question here is how long will a phrase be repeated by a "plain" delay? Can I overdub more than one phrase with a delay? What is essential to me is that the loop is accurate with timing, very precise (some loopers I have tried were not quite quick enough in responding to my hitting the footswitch for "rec" or "stop"). Unfortunately, it's not easy for me to find these pedals in stores near me, so I'll have to drive a couple of hours to a bigger store, and I would like to get there with clearer ideas you know. So what do you guys suggest? Is there something that you think is suitable for what I need? Thank you all folks very much indeed to everyone, sorry my post is so long! Have a nice day Lorenzo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 08:43:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BB753BEB8; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:41:29 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show in less than 90 minutes from now To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4539DD39.5090708@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:43:30 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, October 21 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-4. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 18:25:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3086F3BEB5; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.156.137.22] X-Originating-Email: [mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca From: To: Subject: FS Looperlative ver 1.02 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:25:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_5539_01C6F51C.BE6705F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:25:22 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2006 18:25:27.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[483024D0:01C6F53E] Resent-Message-ID: <2NEZiB.A.PEH.YYmOFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:25:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_5539_01C6F51C.BE6705F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 I thought I would post it here before it goes to Ebay. Its in new condition and it only left my house to get the lower noise = modification. Im moving to a simple setup with less options for my simple brain = Thanks Mike Stevens ph- 519 869 8175 email = mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca ------=_NextPart_000_5539_01C6F51C.BE6705F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Im moving to a simple setup with less options for my simple=20 brain   Thanks
 ------=_NextPart_000_5539_01C6F51C.BE6705F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 18:41:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D4533BEB3; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=V1GsyNy4EG3eg9xBd2CdMyRWByYoz9PjGEBjxrWh4rXUeC9hU9DL9tc9GnmkJEAZ8sCnXZRcrZOTI03hDLziQR62zUWauGi3Kye6McdMp/BvM0PV0SBw8Jt4ZA5PZ74lWxcIdbxFErV+6Wbhzhg49RtEcrNSWZAeun3OoNOaeyI= ; User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:41:13 -0700 Subject: Re: FS Looperlative ver 1.02 From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3244275674_5505635" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:41:16 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3244275674_5505635 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How much are you asking? And what is lower noise modification? Was the unit noisy on play back or while looping? on 10/21/06 11:25 AM, mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca wrote: > Hi > I thought I would post it here before it goes to Ebay. > Its in new condition and it only left my house to get the lower noise > modification. > Im moving to a simple setup with less options for my simple brain Thanks > Mike Stevens ph- 519 869 8175 email > mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca > Regards, -Larry Stites- Northern California Networks, Inc. Nevada City, CA 95959 530 320 4194 24/7 ncnet@sbcglobal.net AOL IM: LESGGN --B_3244275674_5505635 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: FS  Looperlative  ver 1.02 How m= uch are you asking? And what is lower noise modification? Was the unit noisy= on play back or while looping?


on 10/21/06 11:25 AM, mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca wrote:

Hi
 I thought I would post it here before it goes to Ebay.
Its in new condition and it only left my house to get the lower noise modif= ication.
Im moving to a simple setup with less options for my simple brain  &nb= sp;Thanks
   Mike  Stevens      ph- 519 = 869 8175      email    mikestevensmu= sic@sympatico.ca  





Regards,



-Larry Stites-
Northern California Networks, Inc.
Nevada City, CA 95959
530 320 4194 24/7
ncnet@sbcglobal.net
AOL IM: LESGGN

 --B_3244275674_5505635-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 18:52:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6723BED8; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.156.137.22] X-Originating-Email: [mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca From: To: References: Subject: Re: FS Looperlative ver 1.02 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:52:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_556A_01C6F520.8E68F6C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:52:40 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2006 18:52:44.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[17BB37F0:01C6F542] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:52:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_556A_01C6F520.8E68F6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: FS Looperlative ver 1.02Hi Larry The lower noise mod is something Bob came up with as he is = continually improving the specs and features. I'm a pro harmonica player and most of my gigs are acoustic so Im = really picky. Steve Lawson is using an earlier version that is noisier = than mine and he has been playing and recording with no problems. The looperlative has some backround hiss as its not completely silent = but once you start to play its not noticeable . I would = like to get $1300. USF =20 Thanks Mike = ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Larry Stites=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: Re: FS Looperlative ver 1.02 How much are you asking? And what is lower noise modification? Was the = unit noisy on play back or while looping? on 10/21/06 11:25 AM, = mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca = wrote: Hi=20 I thought I would post it here before it goes to Ebay. Its in new condition and it only left my house to get the lower = noise modification. Im moving to a simple setup with less options for my simple brain = Thanks Mike Stevens ph- 519 869 8175 email = mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca =20 Regards, -Larry Stites- Northern California Networks, Inc. Nevada City, CA 95959 530 320 4194 24/7 ncnet@sbcglobal.net AOL IM: LESGGN ------=_NextPart_000_556A_01C6F520.8E68F6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: FS =A0Looperlative =A0ver 1.02
Hi  Larry
   The lower noise mod is something Bob came up = with as he=20 is continually improving the specs and features.
I'm a pro harmonica player  and most of my gigs are acoustic = so Im=20 really picky. Steve Lawson is using an earlier version that is noisier = than mine=20 and he has been playing and recording with no problems.
The looperlative has some backround hiss  as its not = completely=20 silent  but once you start to play  its not=20 noticeable .         &n= bsp;  =20 I would like to get   $1300.  = USF     =20
Thanks          &n= bsp;     =20 Mike           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;         =20 ----- Original Message -----
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Saturday, October 21, = 2006 2:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: FS Looperlative = ver=20 1.02

How much are you asking? And what is lower = noise=20 modification? Was the unit noisy on play back or while = looping?


on=20 10/21/06 11:25 AM, mikestevensmusic@sympatico.= ca=20 wrote:
Hi
 I thought I would post it = here before=20 it goes to Ebay.
Its in new condition and it only left my house = to get=20 the lower noise modification.
Im moving to a simple setup with = less=20 options for my simple brain =   Thanks
   Mike=20  Stevens      ph- 519 869 8175=20      email=20    mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca=20  





Regards,



-Larry=20 Stites-
Northern California Networks, Inc.
Nevada City, CA = 95959
530=20 320 4194 24/7
ncnet@sbcglobal.net
AOL IM:=20 LESGGN

------=_NextPart_000_556A_01C6F520.8E68F6C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 18:59:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CBC73BEC1; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=z/z+yO2L/yBLf9+j5ICs2PLXT3KF1QadNgdaPjDb2N286gpTGJ/0Al/viFzM99HiW/psxh0SZifTpfji3omUjr9Uu26C72M+Hh/d8lU3m0vdTiv7WaK9fph51bHskrjtZvnjLp5XS5+KaDiyRJmexOCtQxXMkkn47LgvnC8XJpM= ; User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:59:32 -0700 Subject: Re: FS Looperlative ver 1.02 From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3244276774_40372" Resent-Message-ID: <9A4YMB.A.Ju.Y4mOFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:59:36 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3244276774_40372 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks =AD and a new unit is $1500 without the upgrades you have made to your looperlative? I presume your unit is in pristine condition, original box, packing, docs, and all that is included with new. on 10/21/06 11:52 AM, mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca wrote: > Hi Larry > The lower noise mod is something Bob came up with as he is continually > improving the specs and features. > I'm a pro harmonica player and most of my gigs are acoustic so Im really > picky. Steve Lawson is using an earlier version that is noisier than mine= and > he has been playing and recording with no problems. > The looperlative has some backround hiss as its not completely silent b= ut > once you start to play its not noticeable . I would like to = get > $1300. USF =20 > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- >> =20 >> From: Larry Stites >> =20 >> To: Loopers Delight >> =20 >> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:41 PM >> =20 >> Subject: Re: FS Looperlative ver 1.02 >> =20 >>=20 >> How much are you asking? And what is lower noise modification? Was the = unit >> noisy on play back or while looping? >>=20 >>=20 >> on 10/21/06 11:25 AM, mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>> Hi=20 >>> I thought I would post it here before it goes to Ebay. >>> Its in new condition and it only left my house to get the lower noise >>> modification. >>> Im moving to a simple setup with less options for my simple brain Th= anks >>> Mike Stevens ph- 519 869 8175 email >>> mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -Larry Stites- >> Northern California Networks, Inc. >> Nevada City, CA 95959 >> 530 320 4194 24/7 >> ncnet@sbcglobal.net >> AOL IM: LESGGN >>=20 >=20 Regards, -Larry Stites- Northern California Networks, Inc. Nevada City, CA 95959 530 320 4194 24/7 ncnet@sbcglobal.net AOL IM: LESGGN --B_3244276774_40372 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: FS  Looperlative  ver 1.02 Thank= s – and a new unit is $1500 without the upgrades you have made to your= looperlative? I presume your unit is in pristine condition, original box, p= acking, docs, and all that is included with new.


on 10/21/06 11:52 AM, mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca wrote:

Hi  Larry
   The lower noise mod is something Bob came up with as he i= s continually improving the specs and features.
I'm a pro harmonica player  and most of my gigs are acoustic so Im rea= lly picky. Steve Lawson is using an earlier version that is noisier than min= e and he has been playing and recording with no problems.
The looperlative has some backround hiss  as its not completely silent=  but once you start to play  its not noticeable .   &nb= sp;         I would like to get=   $1300.  USF      
Thanks            &n= bsp;    Mike        &= nbsp;            = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;            ---= -- Original Message -----

From: Larry Stites <mailto:n= cnet@sbcglobal.net>  
 
To: Loopers Delight <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>  
 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:41  PM
 
Subject: Re: FS Looperlative ver  1.02
 

How much are you asking? And what is lower noise  modification? Was th= e unit noisy on play back or while looping?


on  10/21/06 11:25 AM, mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca  wrote:

 
Hi
 I thought I would post it here before  it goes to Ebay.
Its in new condition and it only left my house to get  the lower noise= modification.
Im moving to a simple setup with less  options for my simple brain &nb= sp; Thanks
   Mike   Stevens      ph= - 519 869 8175       email    &= nbsp;mikestevensmusic@sympatico.ca   





Regards,



-Larry  Stites-
Northern California Networks, Inc.
Nevada City, CA 95959
530  320 4194 24/7
ncnet@sbcglobal.net
AOL IM: LESGGN






Regards,



-Larry Stites-
Northern California Networks, Inc.
Nevada City, CA 95959
530 320 4194 24/7
ncnet@sbcglobal.net
AOL IM: LESGGN

 --B_3244276774_40372-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 19:13:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F8083BED2; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EpjzDgyW4+qv1ZdQL0i+YL5L9IxQPzLvrAogWBai8fPT55h+FTmy4Y8fHnW6lbcCVM3s4MKK/FhyCpjHLKqr5Tes5KDJwX7W+fTEYTljsmE7u1n0DvyI7+E55yQNy8v2uSr8qrbYC/KEn2qwvxCAR1hgBw15PxwLD094haioCOY= ; Message-ID: <20061021191350.97297.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003701c6f23b$c3836bc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2H2sCC.A.cPB.vFnOFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Oh why does the rarely traveling me find himself in Chicago on the day of such a cool event? Have a beer for me would one of you? --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/anniversary/10YearAnniversary.html > > BRILLIANT POSTER!!!! IT made my brain loop! > Damn, I wish I lived on the west coast. > I'll hoist an Orval for y'all. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Life! Life! > Clouds and clowns! > You don't have to come down!" > - Sly and the Family Stone > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 19:48:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01FDA3BEC7; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:46:33 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #499 for October 19, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <453A7919.8040204@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:48:53 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061019.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #499 October 19, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "DisConnected" on and AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Mosaic" by the recently departed Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records and released in 1984. I played the music of Synthetic Block who will be at the Hyperspace concert series this Saturday. Details are at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html#hyper Remy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Richard Burmer Winter on the Wind Mosaic (Fortuna) Synthetic Block Variations On a Sonic Approach (Hypnos) Theme of Absense Synthetic Block The Quartz Marsh Sonic Approach (Hypnos) Mike Griffin inye adieme Sounds Are Hidden Inside Objects (Secret Sounds) vidnaObmana II Reflection on Scale (Hypnos) Numina Awaken Within A Sanctuary of Dreams (Hypnos) Deeper Realm Remy Ego-Trip DisConnected (AKH) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Remy Sleep DisConnected (AKH) Remy Ages DisConnected (AKH) Remy Stars DisConnected (AKH) Remy Mystral DisConnected (AKH) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sense" on and AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "White Noise 2" by David Voorhaus on Virgin Records and released in 1975. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 20:02:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3F623BECD; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:00:16 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for October 21, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <453A7C50.3030101@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <6NJOND.A.xpC.LznOFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:02:19 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/061021.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #96 October 21, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase II was preempted to expand Phases I and III. I also played the music of Synthetic Block who will play a concert tonight at Hyperspace. Details are at: http://spacemusic.us The background music heard during Phase I was I from "An Opera for Four Fusion Works, Act Three: Reflection on Scale" by vidnaObmana. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Thom Brennan] Silver part 1 E-dition #10 (Groove) VA [Carboneids] Abstinens Synthomer E-dition #10 (Groove) VA [Brendan Pollard] Tropic E-dition #10 (Groove) Synthetic Block Variations On a Sonic Approach (Binary) Theme of Absense Synthetic Block The Quartz Marsh Sonic Approach (Binary) Synthetic Block Sonic Approach Sonic Approach (Binary) Synthetic Block Doused * Sonic Approach (Binary) Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3. Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Beardfish Ask Someone Who The Sane Day (none) Knows Beardfish Now The Sane Day (none) Beardfish The Reason of Con- The Sane Day (none) structing and/or Building a Pyramid Zaar Discasambo Zaar (Cuneiform) Tom Grose Pachyderm Revisited At Bay (none) Tom Grose December Ruse At Bay (none) Spock's Beard Intro Gluttons for Punishment (InsideOut) Spock's Beard The Ballet of the Gluttons for Punishment Impact (InsideOut) Spock's Beard I Wouldn't Let It Gluttons for Punishment Go (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Surfing Down the Gluttons for Punishment Avalanche * (InsideOut) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on November 11. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 20:02:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1A263BECF; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:13:09 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Updated - MySpace To: Message-id: <000d01c6f54d$548ab060$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061021191350.97297.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I've updated my MySpace page with some different UNDO selections: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic Comments, critiques and concerns all welcome. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 20:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDDE43BED6; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 Streaming Now! Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net X-Origin: 68.127.156.34 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:41:38 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161461526_557499@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.545000 NakedCR=0.2,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Y2K6 is streaming now! We got a late start because of wireless access point= code =0D problems, but we're on now until Midnight. See below.=0D =0D Kris=0D =0D =0D http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (Click on "Listen")=0D =0D System Requirements =0D =0D Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. W= indows =0D Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows: =0D =0D Windows users should use Winamp - http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download =0D Mac users should use Audion - http://www.panic.com/audion/index.html =0D Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS - http://www.xmms.org =0D Quintessential Media Player - http://www.quinnware.com/ =0D =0D =0D From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 21 22:44:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04F123BEB2; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453AA2C2.9000700@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:44:18 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 Streaming Now! References: <1161461526_557499@S2.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1161461526_557499@S2.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Sweet!! Thanks to everyone there in Santa Cruz for posting photos and sounds, I really wish I could be there but this helps. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Y2K6 is streaming now! We got a late start because of wireless access point code > > problems, but we're on now until Midnight. See below. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 02:58:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1F13BECC; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 Streaming Now! Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:28:18 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161485923_560607@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.545000 NakedCR=0.2,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-UrlForgery: (http://krispen.serverroom.us) (http://krispen.serverroom) X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:58:45 +0000 (UTC) =0D =0D

Hey everyone....the wireless access point here as been down all day. We = are up and running again, and Rainer is plaing now. See the streaming link = below.

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http://krispen.serverroom= .us:9030/ (click listen)

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Kris



On Sat Oct 21 16:44 , Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> sent:

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Sweet!! Thanks to eve= ryone there in Santa Cruz for posting photos and
sounds, I really wish I could be there but this helps.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

> Y2K6 is streaming now! We got a late start because o= f wireless access point code
>
> problems, but we're on now until Midnight. See below= .
>

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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 08:31:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E5113BEB6; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K6 Experimental Looping at the Luggage Store, San Francisco Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:31:22 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c6f5b4$74e37560$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000c01c6f493$1d5b4b50$8601a8c0@succubus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acb1rXjvmpe3H5+FR2S/adak+sUxJAABubPA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:31:35 +0000 (UTC) > Here are some more (impressions of and around the festival): > http://www.flickr.com/photos/moinsound/ wonderful Rainer !! more, more !! -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 20:07:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 496453BEB9; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 10.31.06 @ the PiNG > PHOLDE + SIX HEADS w GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:11:16 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c6f616$3b7e6390$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:07:38 +0000 (UTC) The PiNG presents PHOLDE and SIX HEADS with GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS Tuesday October 31st . 8 pm - 11 pm . PWYC ($5 suggested) @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin The PiNG presents a special All Hallow's Eve performance featuring sound sculpturist PHOLDE and the secretive surrealist sound collective SIX HEADS all bathed in light courtesy of the GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS eye candy. (Please note the early 8 pm start time.) PHOLDE @ 8:30 pm Alan Bloor (Knurl) returns as PHOLDE to bow, scrape, brush, klang and caress his self-created metal sound sculptures with other metal objects to produce thunderous, spacious soundscapes. Metal, amplified and effected. http://www.pholde.com SIX HEADS @ 9:30 pm Using a range of unusual sound sources (home-made instruments, circuit-bent electronics, toys and found objects, field recordings, etc.) and some creative live mixing and audio processing, SIX HEADS produce a dense, shifting sonic dreamscape of ambient textures, jarring juxtapositions of concrete sound and an absurd and vaguely disturbing sense of humour. SIX HEADS are James Bailey, William Davison, Linda Feesey, Sherri Lyn Higgins, Colin Hinz and Pete Mosher. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CONTiNUiNG on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO: the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES A weekly show playing exclusive, unreleased material by some of the PiNG's closest friends in the ambient community. Tune in to hear live performances, works in progress, exclusive remixes and more! THiS MONDAY OCTOBER 23rd at 9PM EST RADiO free URM: Shadows of Light A fresh URM performance served up as an AMBiENT PiNG RADiO ALMOST LiVE SPECiAL. URM's Shadows of Light performance was recorded at noon on Thursday October 19th 2006 live in the studio utilizing only a single laptop filled to the brim with a virtual mountain of soft synths and sound toys. Done in a single pass with no edits or overdubs, URM's Jamie Todd (also of dreamSTATE, NOiNO and SADU) takes us on a sonic journey which explores alien mutant psycho jazz, dark ambience, spacey soundscapes and sequencer driven pulse. Get spaced and settle in for some URM soundshaping. http://www.urm.ca COMiNG SOON to the ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES . October 23rd . URM . October 30th . mara's torment . November 6th . dreamSTATE with Wally Jericho . November 13th . Numina . November 20th . NAW . November 27th . Geek Weekend All shows run on Mondays at 9PM EST and will be rebroadcast Thursdays at 12midnight EST and Saturdays at 3:30 EST. The ALMOST LiVE MUSiC SERiES: Another way that the AMBiENT PiNG is bringing great music to you! http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . More PiNG news and more PiNG shows are coming soon. Watch this space to stay tuned. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. The PiNG presents live multimedia performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, trip hop, dream pop, downtempo, space, drone and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any interested friends or appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 20:11:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 098E43BEAB; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061022131053.10bb9190@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:14:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA In-Reply-To: <20061021191350.97297.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003701c6f23b$c3836bc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> <20061021191350.97297.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:11:33 +0000 (UTC) At 12:13 PM 10/21/2006, mark sottilaro wrote: >Oh why does the rarely traveling me find himself in >Chicago on the day of such a cool event? Have a beer >for me would one of you? we had a few! Your old Mackie's made it there in your place to provide the sound. Thanks to everyone who made it to our little party. It was a fun event, and what amazing music! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 20:13:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71EF23BECC; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006001c6f616$800f5640$95793689@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <003701c6f23b$c3836bc0$9715be18@oemcomputer> <20061021191350.97297.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20061022131053.10bb9190@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:13:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3Sb5dB.A.cEG.YD9OFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Don't feel too bad. I was just in San Jose, CA and had to leave Thursday morning. Goddarn! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA > At 12:13 PM 10/21/2006, mark sottilaro wrote: >>Oh why does the rarely traveling me find himself in >>Chicago on the day of such a cool event? Have a beer >>for me would one of you? > > we had a few! Your old Mackie's made it there in your place to provide the > sound. > > Thanks to everyone who made it to our little party. It was a fun event, > and what amazing music! > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 20:29:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72AB53BED3; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight 10 Year Anniversary Celebration, Oakland, CA Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:59:37 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161548994_565168@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.200000 NakedCR=0.2,Aspam=3.0 X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:29:56 +0000 (UTC) =0D =0D

It was a VERY cool venue! Couches everywhere, large space....dark and mo= ody ambiance (gothic), beautiful setting for looping and drinking fine hopp= y beverages.

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On Sun Oct 22 14:14 , Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> sent:=

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At 12:13 PM 10/21/200= 6, mark sottilaro wrote:
>Oh why does the rarely traveling me find himself in
>Chicago on the day of such a cool event? Have a beer<= /FONT>
>for me would one of you?

we had a few! Your old Mackie's made it there in your place to provide the =
sound.

Thanks to everyone who made it to our little party. It was a fun event, and=
what amazing music!

kim



______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.= loopers-delight.com

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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 22:11:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA2E3BECD; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:12:18 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: weaviestonder , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005101c6f627$3a92e260$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <453992C1.5030608@hotmail.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Greetings from Looperland, Lorenzo! You'll find a very helpful group here at Loopers Delight. To answer just a couple of your questions: > I also thought I could buy > just a simple delay, but my question here is how long will a phrase be > repeated by a "plain" delay? I'm a big fan of the Boss DD-20. If set to maximum delay, it will repeat forever. > Can I overdub more than one phrase with a > delay? You can overdub as much as you like with the DD-20. You can even create phrases of two different lengths if you like. Read up on the DD-20 at http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html > What is essential to me is that the loop is accurate with timing, very > precise (some loopers I have tried were not quite quick enough in > responding to my hitting the footswitch for "rec" or "stop"). I use the DD-20 for very precise time changes, and it's never given me a problem. Feel free to describe more about your music and how you use loops/delays, and you will find the looping community here eager to help and make suggestions. Best, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 22:38:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97D0A3BEC1; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kyberjam/Ninjam Stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:07:52 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161556689_566479@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.745000 NakedCR=0.2,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-UrlForgery: (http) (http://loopfest.serverroom.us) X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:38:10 +0000 (UTC) =0D
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Not sure if Rainer has it up and running yet, but the Kyberjam/Ninjam vi= rtual performances should be streaming to the public here: http://loopfest.serverroom.us:4870

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Kris

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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 22:44:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751843BECC; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyberjam/Ninjam Stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:14:06 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161557063_566538@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *****: 5.172000 NakedCR=0.2,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-UrlForgery: (h) (http://38.96.148.43) X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:44:24 +0000 (UTC) =0D =0D

Corection...you need to listen to the Kyberjam stream here: http://38.96.148.43:4870 (had some techni= cal issues with the last one).

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On Sun Oct 22 17:07 , Kris Hartung sent:

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Not sure if Rainer has it up and running yet, but the Kyberjam/Ninjam vi= rtual performances should be streaming to the public here: http://loopfest.serverroom.us:4870

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Kris

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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 22 22:55:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26E7C3BECD; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QvrRXfmwCsNoDswC2TskcLec1pBmPAMYTfzEf3SrNSLXdz9uMZ+fHSWUao7blehK; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Reply-To: From: "David Prescott" To: , Subject: RE: Kyberjam/Ninjam Stream Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000101c6f62d$1fa4e7e0$0200a8c0@LLPCOMPAQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C6F603.36CEDFE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1161557063_566538@S2.cableone.net> X-ELNK-Trace: c85dea0a97b9d63e65dfa902f728f82a239a348a220c26097a46e0c07e3bde7aa1aaf886a93dda0f666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.117.32.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:55:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C6F603.36CEDFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Kris: I, too enjoyed listening in yesterday. David Prescott Central Wisconsin -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kyberjam/Ninjam Stream Corection...you need to listen to the Kyberjam stream here: http://38.96.148.43:4870 (had some technical issues with the last one). k- On Sun Oct 22 17:07 , Kris Hartung sent: Not sure if Rainer has it up and running yet, but the Kyberjam/Ninjam virtual performances should be streaming to the public here: http://loopfest.serverroom.us:4870 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C6F603.36CEDFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks, Kris:
 
I, too=20 enjoyed listening in yesterday.
 
David=20 Prescott
Central Wisconsin
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 22, = 2006 6:14=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Kyberjam/Ninjam Stream

Corection...you need to listen to the Kyberjam stream here: http://38.96.148.43:4870 (had = some=20 technical issues with the last one).

k-



On Sun Oct 22 17:07 , Kris Hartung=20 sent:


Not sure if Rainer has it up and running yet, but the = Kyberjam/Ninjam=20 virtual performances should be streaming to the public here: http://loopfest.serverroom.u= s:4870

Kris

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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C6F603.36CEDFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 02:42:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47A143BEB5; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Y2K6 Stream is Back Online after Dinner Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 20:12:18 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161571353_569338@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.745000 NakedCR=0.2,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-UrlForgery: (http://krispen.serverroom.us) (http://krispen.serverroom) X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:42:35 +0000 (UTC) =0D =0D
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The Y2K6 Stream is Back Online after Dinner...

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Miro is on now.

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Kris

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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 03:01:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9B663BECD; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453C309B.7000209@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:01:47 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Y2K6 Stream is Back Online after Dinner References: <1161571353_569338@S2.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1161571353_569338@S2.cableone.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090206020108090002040108" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:01:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090206020108090002040108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, that fella can sing! and play flute and a roomful of other stuff too, apparently. sounds great. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > The Y2K6 Stream is Back Online after Dinner... > > http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ > > Miro is on now. > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > --------------090206020108090002040108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man, that fella can sing! and play flute and a roomful of other stuff too, apparently. sounds great.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

The Y2K6 Stream is Back Online after Dinner...

http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/

Miro is on now.

Kris

 

 


 




--------------090206020108090002040108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 03:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6E973BECD; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453C32A0.7000601@hotmail.it> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:10:24 +0200 From: weaviestonder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas Baldwin , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear References: <453992C1.5030608@hotmail.it> <005101c6f627$3a92e260$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <005101c6f627$3a92e260$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: <0LfVu.A.YmB.vKDPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 03:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks a lot for your useful reply Douglas!
In fact, DD-20 was another option I was considering. I'll definitely try it out as soon as I can.
As for my music, I basically work thus: I let electronic rythmic parts run on the background, and add layers of guitar loops: very simple and generally brief arpeggios, or chords, on which I add solos (sometimes with my ebow), or just very spacey soundscapes (lots of reverbs etc). That is why I need perfect timing control over my loops: they need to be perfectly synchronized with the drum track I run in the background. I guess you could say what I do is somewhere in between Lali Puna/the late Radiohead, Labradford, with a kind of ambient touch to it. If this description gives anyone relevant information for more precise suggestions, I would really appreciate the help from the community. :)

Thanks everyone

Lorenzo

Douglas Baldwin ha scritto: 
Greetings from Looperland, Lorenzo!
    You'll find a very helpful group here at Loopers Delight. To answer just
a couple of your questions:
  
I also thought I could buy
just a simple delay, but my question here is how long will a phrase be
repeated by a "plain" delay?
    
    I'm a big fan of the Boss DD-20. If set to maximum delay, it will repeat
forever.
  
Can I overdub more than one phrase with a
delay?
    
You can overdub as much as you like with the DD-20. You can even create
phrases of two different lengths if you like. Read up on the DD-20 at
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html
  
What is essential to me is that the loop is accurate with timing, very
precise (some loopers I have tried were not quite quick enough in
responding to my hitting the footswitch for "rec" or "stop").
    
I use the DD-20 for very precise time changes, and it's never given me a
problem. Feel free to describe more about your music and how you use
loops/delays, and you will find the looping community here eager to help and
make suggestions.
Best,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 05:04:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB5BB3BEB6; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20061022220132.011ee8b8@.> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:04:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: y2k6 stream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Is anyone getting any sound from the stream? The stream stopped working for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in winamp. Anyone else? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 05:06:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591CA3BED2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453C4DC8.8070101@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:06:16 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: y2k6 stream References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061022220132.011ee8b8@.> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20061022220132.011ee8b8@.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that happened to me too, at the same point. I still can't get on. Daryl Shaswn > Is anyone getting any sound from the stream? The stream stopped > working for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in > winamp. Anyone else? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 05:06:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DAC13BEC7; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: y2k6 stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:36:44 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161580018_570693@S2.cableone.net> X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:06:59 +0000 (UTC) =0D =0D

I'm still connected here and seeing the stream sending out in the server= software.

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On Sun Oct 22 23:04 , Sean Echevarria <sean.loop@creepingfog.com> = sent:

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Is anyone getting any= sound from the stream? The stream stopped working
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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 05:28:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50CB3BECA; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NszAg2v5p3BKbDLI92wa1oKNy22h9++PMA09Xa8T0cNEU0Dr7paMrdSGHguZa6VX8N4XuAEjx3HT/Az6ooDODD1z6ctTrcERQ1oCvPw4n0D4aVX/IaNbJ/AwdF0MDzQVme0cxOBH+uySTlcrh2CdVke9ReNPOpPD7rcvPD2Bu6A= ; Message-ID: <20061023052844.6596.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: further questions about midi sync. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c6f438$c7a67a40$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:28:45 +0000 (UTC) hello all :-)!!! i have been experimenting with midi sync but still haven't successfully configured it. i wanted to check my facts with you since your last emails: - no matter what midi channel you are on from a device, all the channels will stay on the same midi-clock. that is to say, that, if my echoplex is the master clock, and it is transmitting midi data on midi channel 1. if my machine drum is set as its slave but receives midi data on midi channel 5 then it will still be on the echoplex's master clock even though the data is transmitting into another midi channel? - i am trying to get all my patterns to play in time but not have the machine drum trigger notes on the nord modular 1 that aren't in its original programmed sequence. - does anyone know you have a special input configured on your nord modular patches to make sure they receive incoming midi clock signals? I am not sure i fully understand the 'kbd" rec about NM1's from before. i have been able to make my machine drum a slave to my echoplex. but, i haven't been successful using the "midi thru" or otherwise on the machine drum to trigger the clock on my NM1 even though i have the nm1 midi clock set to external and i have the machine drum set to receive incominf sync messages. i have been doing alot of trial and error but haven't been successful :-( if you have any ideas, i would love your help, sorry for pesky tech questions!!! thanks for your help :-) --- Ben wrote: > Hello, > > It should be possible on the modular to de-activate > the KBD tracking. > Isn't there a KBD button on each OSC that do just > that? > > To bring this On Topic again. > Is anyone using the G2 as his looping device? It > includes a delay that can > be placed anywhere in the the signal chain, allowing > the loops to be > modulated, filtered,.., mangled in a lot of ways. > Unfortunately the G2 is out of my price range, still > hoping Clavia will > release a microG2 one day ;-) > > Ben. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "margaret noble" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:28 AM > Subject: further questions about midi sync. > > > > hello all, > > > > i posted recently about midi sync. initially i > wanted > > to have my echoplex drive my machine drum and then > my > > machine drum to trigger my nord modular sequences. > > > > well, some of this did work and it has been fun, > but i > > have issues with the nord. when i trigger its > > sequencer from machinedrum, i only want their > clocks > > in sync. but, the nord plays all the notes that > are > > cued from steps on my machine drum as well and > doesn't > > seem to follow the clock very well. > > > > also, i was thinking that maybe i wouldn't always > > want the echoplex to be the master clock. > > > > i was looking at the midisync devices out there by > > motu but i am not sure if they more than i need. i > > basically want every gadget to be on the same > clock > > but do not necessarily want the notes from > multiple > > synths to play in tandem via midi sync. > > > > any and all help is greatly appreciated! > > > > margaret > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses > à toutes vos questions ! > Demandez à ceux qui savent sur Yahoo! > Questions/Réponses > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 05:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EFEB3BEDD; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20061022220132.011ee8b8@.> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20061022220132.011ee8b8@.> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 02:30:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: y2k6 stream Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2006 05:30:18.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[5345E590:01C6F664] Resent-Message-ID: <45OtgD.A.ZhF.sNFPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:30:20 +0000 (UTC) >Is anyone getting any sound from the stream? The stream stopped >working for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in >winamp. Anyone else? the same here the web site sais the server is up and Audion is connecting, but then the time stays at zero Bill was just incredible! -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 05:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF15C3BEE9; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20061022221112.01141ed0@pop.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:30:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: y2k6 stream In-Reply-To: <1161580018_570693@S2.cableone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria Resent-Message-ID: <55k-TB.A.gjF.0NFPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:30:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm connected - just not receiving anything. tcpview tells me that winamp has two tcp connections: 38.96.148.22:9030 - established 62.216.251.200:http - close_wait 'ICY200 OK' usually indicates that the stream has connected successfully. Firewall might be at play here - but that doesn't explain why it was working and then stopped. At 2006.10.22 10:36 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >I'm still connected here and seeing the stream sending out in the server >software. > >K- > > > >On Sun Oct 22 23:04 , Sean Echevarria sent: > >Is anyone getting any sound from the stream? The stream stopped working >for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in winamp. Anyone else? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 05:52:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1FD3BED8; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: y2k6 stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:22:30 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161582763_570855@S2.cableone.net> X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:52:45 +0000 (UTC) =0D I just chatted with tech support from serverroom, and they are having the s= ame problem. I am rebooting my computer now...give me about 4 min.



On Sun Oct 22 23:36 , Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> sent:
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I'm still connected here and seeing the stream sending out in the server= software.

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K-



On Sun Oct 22 23:04 , Sean Echevarria <sean.loop@creepingfog.com> = sent:

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Is anyone getting any= sound from the stream? The stream stopped working
for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in winamp. Anyone else?<= BR>

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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 06:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 713723BEE2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: y2k6 stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:32:32 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161583365_570876@S2.cableone.net> X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:02:47 +0000 (UTC) =0D =0D

Can someone tell me whether you can hear the stream now? Thanks.

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Kris

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On Mon Oct 23 0:22 , Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> sent:

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I just chatted with t= ech support from serverroom, and they are having the same problem. I am reb= ooting my computer now...give me about 4 min.



On Sun Oct 22 23:36 , Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> sent:
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I'm still connected here and seeing the stream sending out in the server= software.

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On Sun Oct 22 23:04 , Sean Echevarria <sean.loop@creepingfog.com> = sent:

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Is anyone getting any= sound from the stream? The stream stopped working
for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in winamp. Anyone else?<= BR>


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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 06:03:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DDA43BEDE; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20061022230325.010e7ec0@pop.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:03:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: y2k6 stream In-Reply-To: <1161583365_570876@S2.cableone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Yep - it's back. thanks At 2006.10.22 11:32 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >Can someone tell me whether you can hear the stream now? Thanks. > >Kris > > > > > >On Mon Oct 23 0:22 , Kris Hartung sent: > >I just chatted with tech support from serverroom, and they are having the >same problem. I am rebooting my computer now...give me about 4 min. > > > >On Sun Oct 22 23:36 , Kris Hartung sent: > >I'm still connected here and seeing the stream sending out in the server >software. > >K- > > > >On Sun Oct 22 23:04 , Sean Echevarria sent: > >Is anyone getting any sound from the stream? The stream stopped working >for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in winamp. Anyone else? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 06:04:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD2B03BEF1; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: y2k6 stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:34:04 -0700 X-Mailer: AtMail 4.2 Message-ID: <1161583457_570880@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.400000 NakedCR=0.2,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-NakedCr: Body contained naked cr characters X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4BrQbD.A.e1G.itFPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:04:18 +0000 (UTC) =0D
Cool. Thanks. Sorry about that.


On Mon Oct 23 0:03 , Sean Echevarria <sean.loop@creepingfog.com> s= ent:

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Yep - it's back.

thanks


At 2006.10.22 11:32 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

>Can someone tell me whether you can hear the stream n= ow? Thanks.
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>On Mon Oct 23 0:22 , Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone= .net> sent:
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>I just chatted with tech support from serverroom, and= they are having the
>same problem. I am rebooting my computer now...give m= e about 4 min.
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>On Sun Oct 22 23:36 , Kris Hartung <khartung@cableon= e.net> sent:
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>I'm still connected here and seeing the stream sendin= g out in the server
>software.
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>On Sun Oct 22 23:04 , Sean Echevarria <sean.loop= @creepingfog.com> sent:
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>Is anyone getting any sound from the stream? The stre= am stopped working
>for me during Bill's set. I'm getting [ICY 200 OK] in= winamp. Anyone else?
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= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 06:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43A253BEEA; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1161583457_570880@S2.cableone.net> References: <1161583457_570880@S2.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <3599ecd8d683c2058c00992b5bf78257@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Some random Y2K6 pix Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:09:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Some random photos from Y2K6...... These are some random photos (in no way a complete document!) taken by=20= myself and Ryusei at the festival.... I thought you might enjoy them. The festival was a blast, I unfortunately had to leave early for the 5=20= 1/2 hour drive home....bummer! But a wonderful musical and, also very importantly, social=20 event...loopers unite..... Sorrowfully, my duo performance with Stefan did not happen due to=20 internet network problems today, but I think it worked for everybody=20 else! I will blog my impressions later this week. http://jeffkaiser.com/blogimages/y2k6/ or http://tinyurl.com/yydyhv best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 06:13:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF85F3BEFB; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3599ecd8d683c2058c00992b5bf78257@pfmentum.com> References: <1161583457_570880@S2.cableone.net> <3599ecd8d683c2058c00992b5bf78257@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8fa233c383c1b67d6aecde395d1ecd1a@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Some random Y2K6 pix Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:13:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Didn't mean to sound past tense! I'm enjoying it on the net right now..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 22, 2006, at 11:09 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Some random photos from Y2K6...... > > These are some random photos (in no way a complete document!) taken by=20= > myself and Ryusei at the festival.... > > I thought you might enjoy them. > > The festival was a blast, I unfortunately had to leave early for the 5=20= > 1/2 hour drive home....bummer! > > But a wonderful musical and, also very importantly, social=20 > event...loopers unite..... > > Sorrowfully, my duo performance with Stefan did not happen due to=20 > internet network problems today, but I think it worked for everybody=20= > else! > > I will blog my impressions later this week. > > http://jeffkaiser.com/blogimages/y2k6/ > > or http://tinyurl.com/yydyhv > > best, > Jeff > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 06:36:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359703BEDD; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7aa409174cf0543bad099da87075c702@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Some random Y2K6 pix Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:36:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:51 +0000 (UTC) :-) I told you it was a long drive home....I'll fix it.... (I actually know which is which, my typing fingers don't...) cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 22, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > You've mixed up Bill and Rick. Rick only appears in the first photo=20= > underneath the loop fest sign. All your other occurrences of Rick are=20= > actually Bill. > > > At 2006.10.22 11:09 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> Some random photos from Y2K6...... >> >> These are some random photos (in no way a complete document!) taken=20= >> by myself and Ryusei at the festival.... >> >> I thought you might enjoy them. >> >> The festival was a blast, I unfortunately had to leave early for the=20= >> 5 1/2 hour drive home....bummer! >> >> But a wonderful musical and, also very importantly, social=20 >> event...loopers unite..... >> >> Sorrowfully, my duo performance with Stefan did not happen due to=20 >> internet network problems today, but I think it worked for everybody=20= >> else! >> >> I will blog my impressions later this week. >> >> http://jeffkaiser.com/blogimages/y2k6/ >> >> or http://tinyurl.com/yydyhv >> >> best, >> Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 07:23:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDFBE3BED8; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061023002143.04f21b68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:26:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: further questions about midi sync. In-Reply-To: <20061023052844.6596.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003a01c6f438$c7a67a40$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <20061023052844.6596.qmail@web81009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:23:22 +0000 (UTC) At 10:28 PM 10/22/2006, margaret noble wrote: >i have been experimenting with midi sync but still >haven't successfully configured it. i wanted to check >my facts with you since your last emails: > >- no matter what midi channel you are on from a >device, all the channels will stay on the same >midi-clock. that is to say, that, if my echoplex is >the master clock, and it is transmitting midi data on >midi channel 1. if my machine drum is set as its slave >but receives midi data on midi channel 5 then it will >still be on the echoplex's master clock even though >the data is transmitting into another midi channel? yes, that is correct. MIDI clock is global, so all devices receive it no matter what MIDI channel they are on. >- i am trying to get all my patterns to play in time >but not have the machine drum trigger notes on the >nord modular 1 that aren't in its original programmed >sequence. You should have the Machine Drum and the Nord on different MIDI channels. Then the Note commands from the Machine Drum will not trigger anything on the Nord. They hsould both still be able to receive MIDI clock. I don't know answers to your other questions, as they are specific to the Machine Drum and Nord Modular and I don't have either of those. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 10:09:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D705B3BEC7; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: , "Loopers Delight" Subject: some ninjams online Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:08:58 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c6f68b$41ba6720$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061023092730.01bac688@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acb2fd5yREKg9xfpQbulaNlcuOSj2gADKFTA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:09:03 +0000 (UTC) I've put three one-hour-ninjams online here: http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/ninjams. You can download (if you really want), or listen to an mp3 stream in 128 kbps stereo if you have the bandwidth. The first of the jams is the "official" session with Per, Bernhard, and me from the Y2K6 ninjam stage. Per was local in Santa Cruz, Bernhard was in Zurich, Switzerland, and I was at home near Cologne, Germany. The second is a jam that Michael Bearpark, Bernhard and me did "backstage" on another server immediately afterwards. The third is a test jam that I did with Bernhard two days before the festival. Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 11:30:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DEB63BEC7; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bg776mEM4J02RjfNEXDFbJDoH3KV92q5qdUK8e3c0N26k8hTWzj+qQQS471jt5qo9WdcUhjYwCISj+sARgei6imvfnzvCSq7msJUA6eN+Fnd9rAorKath4bUHBp0+FrJLvDsnqTceV3+bTR5MIpGUdPovKwR/YH5cQZHg0Amu0Y= Message-ID: <146cdfa70610230430i2eae26e8vb33aeb0c194d8c7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:30:48 +0200 From: "Marco Ronci" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear In-Reply-To: <453C32A0.7000601@hotmail.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_294558_9148317.1161603048008" References: <453992C1.5030608@hotmail.it> <005101c6f627$3a92e260$9715be18@oemcomputer> <453C32A0.7000601@hotmail.it> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:30:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_294558_9148317.1161603048008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ciao Lorenzo, 2006/10/23, weaviestonder > > That is why I need perfect timing control over my loops: they need to be > perfectly synchronized with the drum track I run in the background. > That's IMHO your biggest problem... You need a midi sync from the drum track and a midi-syncable looper. I don't feel very confident with my english so, seel free to contact me off-list for more details in italian. Ciao Marco ------=_Part_294558_9148317.1161603048008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Ciao Lorenzo,
 
2006/10/23, weaviestonder
That is why I need perfect timing control over my loops: they need to be perfectly synchronized with the drum track I run in the background.
 
That's IMHO your biggest problem...
You need a midi sync from the drum track and a midi-syncable looper.
I don't feel very confident with my english so, seel free to contact me off-list for more details in italian.
Ciao
Marco
 
------=_Part_294558_9148317.1161603048008-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 14:42:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 963B63BECC; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ot8XlQazsbQ/8hZFHb+uIrDf3bYc4oEhtWGtdvn/mE/09IpBZBNJQXN2GV8dR75oKSl9rDBcdFslBZ40XnvOSOAzKeLer98NyhbbIDRkAScg8xpCh+ssLd7EBF3P8Yd0zq7dMf+RK3waIsXNRb7yI66HjzRieIaup3JIQ65Lb5c= ; Message-ID: <20061023144208.14467.qmail@web81015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: further questions about midi sync. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20061023002143.04f21b68@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4pkwHD.A.2dE.BTNPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) hey all, i really appreiciate the input on debugging. i hope to make my next about post about new music :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 14:57:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563D63BEB3; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:54:08 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: weaviestonder , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003c01c6f6b3$bff940c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nI9eO+vq/6EJoKS8/Z2XdQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <453C32A0.7000601@hotmail.it> Resent-Message-ID: <1loAqB.A.iEF.MhNPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_nI9eO+vq/6EJoKS8/Z2XdQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi again Lorenzo (and all you groovy loopers all over the globe, and = especially the physical contingent representing at the 10th anniversary = festival) - I would seriously consider the DD-20 for your music, perhaps even = two.=20 I will hereafter use the term "virtual sync" to describe the DD-20 = being set to a specific delay length equal to, or in a whole-number = ratio to, another unit without any MIDI or other clock information being = sent/received between the two units. Two DD-20s will stay in virtual = sync with each other for at least a half-hour. I've not yet let mine run = more than that, but someday maybe I'll put on a rhythmic loop and see = how long they stay sync'd before an audible mismatch creeps in.=20 One of the very practicaal benefits of the DD-20 is its numerical = readout for delay length: up to 9999 milliseconds (9.999 seconds), then = hundredths of a second (centaseconds?) from 10.00 up to 23.00. I used my = DD-20s in virtual sync with the click of my Korg D1600 recording = workstation and with my Bodd GT-3 multi-fx pedal to record the excerpt = of "The Long Dance" that is on the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. 3 = CD. Neither the DD-20s, the GT-3, nor the Korg required any tweaking of = their time parameters to remain in sync for the entire recording = process. I often use my DD-20s with a drum machine these days (a Zoom = RT223) and while this machine *does* require a slight tweak to get in = sync, I can find its "sweet spot" pretty quick and my two DD-20s, my = GT-3 and the RT223 will groove away for fifteen minutes or more in = virtual sync. I suspect the mismatch between the DD-20s and the Zoom are = due to different clock pulses; the Zoom runs about 1% faster than the = DD-20s. I'm looking forward to getting a Boss DR-880 in the near future, = and I'll bet the entire Boss family will run in exact virtual sync. You described your music this way: I let electronic rythmic parts run on the background, and add layers of = guitar loops: very simple and generally brief arpeggios, or chords, on = which I add solos (sometimes with my ebow), or just very spacey = soundscapes (lots of reverbs etc). That is why I need perfect timing = control over my loops: they need to be perfectly synchronized with the = drum track I run in the background. I guess you could say what I do is = somewhere in between Lali Puna/the late Radiohead, Labradford, with a = kind of ambient touch to it.=20 With one or two DD-20s (and/or a drum machine or two, as I just = described), you can create a background rhythmic pattern, add as many = layers of live-in-real-time guitar textures as you wish, set one or more = of your DD-20s to "infinite feedback" to capture your loop, then press = the On/Off stomp switch on the left. This turns the *recording* of = material off, but allows the loop/delay to *play back* at whatever = feedback level it is set at. And if it's set a "infinite feedback," the = loop will loop endlessly with no degeneration, no fade, and you can solo = to your heart's content. Let's say in the midst of your soloing you play = a melody, chord or texture you'd like to add to your loop. Just hit the = On/Off switch again (turning the pedal's "record" function on), play = your new material, and hit the On/Off switch when you're done. Your new = melody/chord/texture is added, and you can continue to solo atop the = loop.=20 For my taste, a delay-based looper like the DD-20 is superior to a = "true" looper like the Boss RC-20 because, in addition to being able to = end a loop suddenly, the DD-20 can fade out over as long or short a = period as you like by adjusting the feedbck level. Currently I'm playing = around with groove-based textures that either drift (i.e. the groove = slowly dissipates) or leap(i.e. the groove suddenly disappears) into = non-rhythmic oceanic soundscape-land. Hope this helps y'all, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone --Boundary_(ID_nI9eO+vq/6EJoKS8/Z2XdQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi again Lorenzo (and all you groovy loopers all over the globe, and especially the physical contingent representing at the 10th anniversary festival) -
    I would seriously consider the DD-20 for your music, perhaps even two.
    I will hereafter use the term "virtual sync" to describe the DD-20 being set to a specific delay length equal to, or in a whole-number ratio to, another unit without any MIDI or other clock information being sent/received between the two units. Two DD-20s will stay in virtual sync with each other for at least a half-hour. I've not yet let mine run more than that, but someday maybe I'll put on a rhythmic loop and see how long they stay sync'd before an audible mismatch creeps in. 
    One of the very practicaal benefits of the DD-20 is its numerical readout for delay length: up to 9999 milliseconds (9.999 seconds), then hundredths of a second (centaseconds?) from 10.00 up to 23.00. I used my DD-20s in virtual sync with the click of my Korg D1600 recording workstation and with my Bodd GT-3 multi-fx pedal to record the excerpt of "The Long Dance" that is on the Looper's Delight Compilation Vol. 3 CD. Neither the DD-20s, the GT-3, nor the Korg required any tweaking of their time parameters to remain in sync for the entire recording process. I often use my DD-20s with a drum machine these days (a Zoom RT223) and while this machine *does* require a slight tweak to get in sync, I can find its "sweet spot" pretty quick and my two DD-20s, my GT-3 and the RT223 will groove away for fifteen minutes or more in virtual sync. I suspect the mismatch between the DD-20s and the Zoom are due to different clock pulses; the Zoom runs about 1% faster than the DD-20s. I'm looking forward to getting a Boss DR-880 in the near future, and I'll bet the entire Boss family will run in exact virtual sync.
    You described your music this way:
 I let electronic rythmic parts run on the background, and add layers of guitar loops: very simple and generally brief arpeggios, or chords, on which I add solos (sometimes with my ebow), or just very spacey soundscapes (lots of reverbs etc). That is why I need perfect timing control over my loops: they need to be perfectly synchronized with the drum track I run in the background. I guess you could say what I do is somewhere in between Lali Puna/the late Radiohead, Labradford, with a kind of ambient touch to it.
    With one or two DD-20s (and/or a drum machine or two, as I just described), you can create a background rhythmic pattern, add as many layers of live-in-real-time guitar textures as you wish, set one or more of your DD-20s to "infinite feedback" to capture your loop, then press the On/Off stomp switch on the left. This turns the *recording* of material off, but allows the loop/delay to *play back* at whatever feedback level it is set at. And if it's set a "infinite feedback," the loop will loop endlessly with no degeneration, no fade, and you can solo to your heart's content. Let's say in the midst of your soloing you play a melody, chord or texture you'd like to add to your loop. Just hit the On/Off switch again (turning the pedal's "record" function on), play your new material, and hit the On/Off switch when you're done. Your new melody/chord/texture is added, and you can continue to solo atop the loop.
    For my taste, a delay-based looper like the DD-20 is superior to a "true" looper like the Boss RC-20 because, in addition to being able to end a loop suddenly, the DD-20 can fade out over as long or short a period as you like by adjusting the feedbck level. Currently I'm playing around with groove-based textures that either drift (i.e. the groove slowly dissipates) or leap(i.e. the groove suddenly disappears) into non-rhythmic oceanic soundscape-land.
    Hope this helps y'all,
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You don't have to come down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_nI9eO+vq/6EJoKS8/Z2XdQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 15:38:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E593BEC2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008e01c6f6b9$3e0c8b70$2601a8c0@SALON> From: "Ingo Ito" To: Subject: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:37:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01C6F6C9.F1575650" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:38:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C6F6C9.F1575650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody! I just discovered this new Behringer Product, which seems quite = interesting. But I didn=B4t find any information if this guitar is only = exclusively working with the supplied Native Instruments/Behringer Amp = Plug-Ins and the supplied recording software, or if it is also usable = for other plugins, like NI B4 organ or Battery plugins, used with e.g. = Steinberg=B4s Cubase. If it would act as a "plugin of all kind"-trigger, then it might be a = powerful live looping tool. Imagine, just a laptop with looping software = (mobius etc.), sequencer software with plugins and this guitar. Would = make travelling to concerts a lot easier. And the price of just around 120 Euros/145 US Dollars is unbelievable = even just as a regular guitar. So check this out http://www.behringer.com/IAXE393/index.cfm?lang=3DENG And to those who might have tested this guitar with a computer, I would = really appreciate their report. Regards from Spain Ingo Ito ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C6F6C9.F1575650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody!
 
I just discovered this new Behringer = Product, which=20 seems quite interesting. But I didn=B4t find any information if this = guitar is=20 only exclusively working with the supplied Native Instruments/Behringer = Amp=20 Plug-Ins and the supplied recording software, or if it is also usable = for other=20 plugins, like NI B4 organ or Battery plugins, used with e.g. = Steinberg=B4s=20 Cubase.
 
If it would act as a "plugin of all = kind"-trigger,=20 then it might be a powerful live looping tool. Imagine, just a = laptop with=20 looping software (mobius etc.), sequencer software with plugins and this = guitar.=20 Would make travelling to concerts a lot easier.
And the price of just around 120 = Euros/145 US=20 Dollars is unbelievable even just as a regular guitar.
 
So check this out http://www= .behringer.com/IAXE393/index.cfm?lang=3DENG
 
And to those who might have tested this = guitar with=20 a computer, I would really appreciate their report.
 
Regards from Spain
Ingo Ito
------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C6F6C9.F1575650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 16:23:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9FB83BED8; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:23:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B584@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <008e01c6f6b9$3e0c8b70$2601a8c0@SALON> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar thread-index: Acb2uT/ZY9lwTMoqREyIUzoVsnxIbwABLThg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:23:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]=20 =20 > I just discovered this new Behringer Product, which seems quite > interesting.=20 =20 The guitar has a built in USB audio interface, it is not a triggering device. I would guess that it will work with any audio application, since the device driver makes it look like an ordinary audio interface. It is probably similar to this: =20 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LightSnake10/ =20 You would therefore not have to buy a standalone audio interface, but you would still have to buy a footswitch or some other triggering device to control the plugins. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3F073BEC2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KJMve55ofYFUFCgULypsbeb+cHU9Z+QEJ3wbMT3EdkLeVNfFwzXVbpnDK8U+QaD5RlH1UjSZzGz5AC12a/d2L77x6ZpAbL+z7Z55iGv78q2eJ/NZIA+nZtJSPWlLg2Nv2XlmLUdDe8Dl28FO7lh/o/yBzP1Dij02GOeVPoJGzn4= ; Message-ID: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <453C32A0.7000601@hotmail.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Then the DD-20 (I looper that I own and love) will not work for you at all. Why? No device can loop perfectly forever unless it can sync to a MIDI clock. You'll get drift. It sneeks up on you pretty fast and very quickly you will not have a loop that is synced to your drums. Devices that do sync to a drum machine do exist. A few that come to mind that are still in production are are the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro, the Electro-harmonix 2880 and the new Boss RC-50 Loopstation, though reports say the Loopstation not all that good at being a slave to your drum machine's MIDI clock. (something you need to make perfectly synced loops) Also, for deluxe goodness there's the Looperlative which also syncs well to MIDI clock. My favorite hardware looper is still the Eletrix Repeater, but it's long out of production, but I'm estimating that v2 will be released by Electrix in the year 2112. If you can find one on ebay I say get one. A good number of us, including me, have abandoned dedicated hardware and have gone to software based looping. The software (Mobius) is free, but by the time you've purchased a laptop and audio interface and midi controller you've dropped a least $1500. Get a fast machine with a lot of ram. If you have all this already, then you're set. Go to http://www.zonemobius.com and download. It's great. PC only. Shame nothing like it exists for the Mac, but but Augustus Loop is pretty damn fun. Good luck, Mark --- weaviestonder wrote: That is why I need perfect timing control over my loops: they need tobe perfectly synchronized with the drum track I run in the background. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2093BED2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453CFE8D.1020504@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:40:29 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear References: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:40:35 +0000 (UTC) We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx Our great Repeaters fill the hallowed halls. We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx All the gifts of non-refundable deposits and outraged forum posts left by loopers for 110 frickin' years are held within our walls. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > My favorite hardware looper is still the Eletrix > Repeater, but it's long out of production, but I'm > estimating that v2 will be released by Electrix in the > year 2112. If you can find one on ebay I say get one. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 17:56:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C74043BEDA; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453D023B.2060408@hotmail.it> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:56:11 +0200 From: weaviestonder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear References: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Douglas, Mark. Although you guys say two very different things about the DD-20, you both contributed to give me a clearer idea on what I need. As I said in my first post, I am planning to buy a new laptop and use that and a midi foot controller instead of a hardware looping device, but I just can't afford to buy all that stuff at once! A couple of more question for Mark: 1. how much RAM would you say a laptop would need to function as a looper? Can you give me a frame of reference? 2. is software for Mac less functional than that on PC? I was planning to get a Mac, since I have heard from many people that they are more reliable than computers (no crashes, etc), which is a big deal when you are performing live obviously. Also, they told me most PCs have longer delay in handling MIDI signal (sorry this explanation is poor but my English is insufficient here). 3. If I chose to get a Mac, would the hardware requirements be different? I mean, would I need more or less RAM or more or less CPU to do the same thing? Thank you all very much again, it's great to get to talk to people who have experience in this field and are willing to share it and so patient in talking to a newbie! :) Lorenzo > > > --- weaviestonder wrote: > > That is why I need perfect timing control over my > loops: they need tobe perfectly synchronized with the > drum track I run in the background. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:21:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5674E3BECF; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MtCMvhFBLET7T59hUW6ljdH1YerQWkYGnyNXP8xBtAT7VPzw0qiHrJ5U5RtlwBhK3dd2rOvsrlYJSQI3WXhjLvYNymL5RUSZx/gtZDytec06gOlRAAxc/dAuBt/yZeHLsOtx6SDQVVJHioImtxmRtEPRr7V9UYC3XELLV3oIdTI= ; Message-ID: <20061023182134.63495.qmail@web34309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: RE: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B584@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1663933643-1161627694=:62582" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:21:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-1663933643-1161627694=:62582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...and it's listing for a whopping $150 USD. Better not be counting too much on it despite it being a "...high-quality electric guitar comes with a fantastic maple neck and its screaming tone sings through 3 single-coil pickups with 5-way switching." ted h. Jeff Larson wrote: From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com] > I just discovered this new Behringer Product, which seems quite > interesting. The guitar has a built in USB audio interface, it is not a triggering device. I would guess that it will work with any audio application, since the device driver makes it look like an ordinary audio interface. It is probably similar to this:.. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1663933643-1161627694=:62582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
...and it's listing for a whopping $150 USD.  Better not be counting too much on it despite it being a "...high-quality electric guitar comes with a fantastic maple neck and its screaming tone sings through 3 single-coil pickups with 5-way switching."
 
 
ted h.

Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
From: Ingo Ito [mailto:ito@itofarm.com]

> I just discovered this new Behringer Product, which seems quite
> interesting.

The guitar has a built in USB audio interface, it is not a triggering
device. I would guess that it will work with any audio application,
since the device driver makes it look like an ordinary audio interface.
It is probably similar to this:..



"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1663933643-1161627694=:62582-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:37:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 005A53BEE8; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:37:03 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ninjam server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:37:09 +0000 (UTC) The Ninjam Kyberfest that Rainer arranged was a terrific experience that really opened my eyes to the possibilities of the technology. I think that Ninjam is particularly well-suited to this group, as our music is often not dependent on scripted chord changes and arrangements, many of us lean towards improvisation, and also because we're extremely international. So...what I'd like to see happen is to have a LD-exclusive Ninjam server, open to any members and their acquaintances, and on which time could be scheduled for sessions. I'm willing to put some money towards this; when I remember how much I paid in San Francisco for rehearsal space (more than I pay to rent an entire house here in Mexico) I can find it easier to justify an investment, a chunk towards setup and then at least some part of the monthly fee. My local playing opportunities are extremely limited, thus far, and especially through hearing and "meeting" so many people through the Y2k6 fest, I'm very excited about playing with people on this list as well as hearing other collaborations. I imagine that we would need a dedicated server. These can be rented from ISP's, of course, or if anyone owns a server perhaps we could pay that person for use and bandwidth. In addition to Ninjam itself, I'd like for there to be a public chatroom, an archive, a live feed from the room, and an editable calendar (which Os has already discussed on the Ninjam list). What suggestions or contributions might people have for making this a reality? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 18:46:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D8193BEDD; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044301c6f6d3$7c81ede0$6801a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Fw: Thanks to Rick Walker for organizing Y2K6 Intl Live Looping Festival Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:45:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0440_01C6F698.CC64AE50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:46:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0440_01C6F698.CC64AE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't thank Rick enough for all the work that he did putting together = the Y2K6 festival. I had a blast this weekend. I heard some of the = most wonderful music this weekend. What is even better is that it was = all different. This festival went a long way to demonstrating that = there are many different ways that looping can be used in music. As for myself, I want to thank Rick for talking me into performing at = the festival. My daughter joined me for my 30 minute set. We brought = out my "private" music that I normally only perform at home. It felt = really good to be performing my music for a change. So, a big thank you to Rick and everybody else that helped put this = amazing gathering together. -Bob Amstadt ------=_NextPart_000_0440_01C6F698.CC64AE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can't thank Rick enough for all the = work that he=20 did putting together the Y2K6 festival.  I had a blast this = weekend. =20 I heard some of the most wonderful music this weekend.  What is = even better=20 is that it was all different.  This festival went a long way to=20 demonstrating that there are many different ways that looping can be = used in=20 music.
 
As for myself, I want to thank Rick for = talking me=20 into performing at the festival.  My daughter joined me for my 30 = minute=20 set.  We brought out my "private" music that I normally only = perform at=20 home.  It felt really good to be performing my music for a=20 change.
 
So, a big thank you to Rick and = everybody else that=20 helped put this amazing gathering together.
 
-Bob Amstadt
------=_NextPart_000_0440_01C6F698.CC64AE50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:04:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B47E3BEF5; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:04:47 +0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Ninjam server Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:04:55 +0000 (UTC) At 1:37 PM -0500 10/23/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >I imagine that we would need a dedicated server. These can be rented >from ISP's, of course, or if anyone owns a server perhaps we could >pay that person for use and bandwidth. In addition to Ninjam itself, >I'd like for there to be a public chatroom, an archive, a live feed >from the room, and an editable calendar (which Os has already >discussed on the Ninjam list). > >What suggestions or contributions might people have for making this a reality? Well, I like the idea and, I've got a dedicated server that I *might* be able to volunteer. I can't say for certain, since I'm familiar with Ninjam, but have never gone through the process of setting it up, measuring bandwidth, etc., etc., so I'm hesitant to make a full commitment without knowing all the details. Maybe I could chat with Kris and/or Rainer once we're all back at our respective homes again. They're both at L2k6, I believe, and I'm currently writing this from Dubai. (Eid Mubarakh -- or Happy Eid -- to everybody, BTW.) Right now, the server is only doing duty hosting my three or four half-websites, as well as my wife's webs and blogs. I've been wondering how to justify keeping it (not to mention making the payments) once we're out of the US permanently, so this could wind up being a good thing for all parties. I need to make certain I'm not doing anything to jeopardize my wife's sites, though, because my domestic bliss could morph into a domestic hell damn-skippy-quick if anything were to happen to those. On the upside, there's a full blown blogging engine installed -- Movable Type -- so we might be able to make use of that. And as far as editable calendars go, I think I remember a couple of quick Perl scripts that do that sort of thing. I'm not putting my hand all the way up in the air just yet, but I am willing to consider the possibility. Let me do some research and maybe we can work something out. --m. -- _______ "The future: everyone is housed, clothed, and fed, because everyone is in jail." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:20:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B3C3BEF5; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453D1603.4020100@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:20:35 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3umVKD.A.i-F.HYRPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for putting this out there, mech, it sounds like a possibility for sure. The actual server requirements from the Ninjam page (http://ninjam.com/download.php) suggest a server of at least 500mhz, and 4meg of RAM use (I don't quite understand this myself, as most servers would have at least 512 meg of RAM...?). Probably the main concern would be bandwidth, to make sure sessions can happen without killing your wife's sites (and by proxy, you). Ninjam says 768kbps outbound is required for a 4-person session, which is more than any DSL connection I'm aware of. I think we'd want to be able to host four people at least comfortably, plus hosting sites, so probably a meg of upload is what we'd want. Is the server on DSL? We could certainly see about bumping up the bandwidth and paying for that, plus of course reimbursement for the use itself. Yes, I think Krispen was involved with setting up the server for the Kyberfest so I'll check in with him. Mark Francombe also had one set up for testing. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > At 1:37 PM -0500 10/23/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> >> I imagine that we would need a dedicated server. These can be rented >> from ISP's, of course, or if anyone owns a server perhaps we could >> pay that person for use and bandwidth. In addition to Ninjam itself, >> I'd like for there to be a public chatroom, an archive, a live feed >> from the room, and an editable calendar (which Os has already >> discussed on the Ninjam list). >> >> What suggestions or contributions might people have for making this a >> reality? > > Well, I like the idea and, I've got a dedicated server that I *might* > be able to volunteer. I can't say for certain, since I'm familiar > with Ninjam, but have never gone through the process of setting it up, > measuring bandwidth, etc., etc., so I'm hesitant to make a full > commitment without knowing all the details. > > Maybe I could chat with Kris and/or Rainer once we're all back at our > respective homes again. They're both at L2k6, I believe, and I'm > currently writing this from Dubai. (Eid Mubarakh -- or Happy Eid -- > to everybody, BTW.) > > Right now, the server is only doing duty hosting my three or four > half-websites, as well as my wife's webs and blogs. I've been > wondering how to justify keeping it (not to mention making the > payments) once we're out of the US permanently, so this could wind up > being a good thing for all parties. I need to make certain I'm not > doing anything to jeopardize my wife's sites, though, because my > domestic bliss could morph into a domestic hell damn-skippy-quick if > anything were to happen to those. > > On the upside, there's a full blown blogging engine installed -- > Movable Type -- so we might be able to make use of that. And as far > as editable calendars go, I think I remember a couple of quick Perl > scripts that do that sort of thing. > > I'm not putting my hand all the way up in the air just yet, but I am > willing to consider the possibility. Let me do some research and > maybe we can work something out. > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:50:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016B43BEDA; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0BUQYU+RTsmoVy5e7TgvbY7MhFZ85VGpAGJGg/IJhCr27fovFGikmMqrTgPihoGm/T3dIFAE/24gfh/Mpm8nElJUzkDDyMSwv2gujVY1RylOCSPyZxjbw71o9JfVlzKt3cRE1pN5t+mr6dcJcBjwTldhNP5GvU0RwEUqyLJok1o= ; Message-ID: <20061023195019.33898.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <453CFE8D.1020504@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Wait, I find it hard to believe that any retailer is not refunding a deposit for a product that didn't ever get released. Is there one? --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx > Our great Repeaters fill the hallowed halls. > We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx > All the gifts of non-refundable deposits and > outraged forum posts left > by loopers for 110 frickin' years > are held within our walls. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > My favorite hardware looper is still the Eletrix > > Repeater, but it's long out of production, but I'm > > estimating that v2 will be released by Electrix in > the > > year 2112. If you can find one on ebay I say get > one. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78CF43BEEC; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453D1E0F.6060200@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:54:55 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear References: <20061023195019.33898.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061023195019.33898.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010802060800010900030903" Resent-Message-ID: <6CYdRC.A._ZH.U4RPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:55:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010802060800010900030903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Naw...'scuse the poetic (??) license. I believe someone already posted getting a refund back from one of the retailers for the Repeater v2. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Wait, I find it hard to believe that any retailer is > not refunding a deposit for a product that didn't ever > get released. Is there one? > > --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > > >> We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx >> Our great Repeaters fill the hallowed halls. >> We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx >> All the gifts of non-refundable deposits and >> outraged forum posts left >> by loopers for 110 frickin' years >> are held within our walls. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >>> My favorite hardware looper is still the Eletrix >>> Repeater, but it's long out of production, but I'm >>> estimating that v2 will be released by Electrix in >>> >> the >> >>> year 2112. If you can find one on ebay I say get >>> >> one. >> >>> >>> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------010802060800010900030903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Naw...'scuse the poetic (??) license. I believe someone already posted getting a refund back from one of the retailers for the Repeater v2.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
Wait, I find it hard to believe that any retailer is
not refunding a deposit for a product that didn't ever
get released.  Is there one?

--- Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:

  
We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great Repeaters fill the hallowed halls.
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of non-refundable deposits and
outraged forum posts left 
by loopers for 110 frickin' years
are held within our walls.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

    
My favorite hardware looper is still the Eletrix
Repeater, but it's long out of production, but I'm
estimating that v2 will be released by Electrix in
      
the
    
year 2112.  If you can find one on ebay I say get
      
one.
    
  
      
    


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--------------010802060800010900030903-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 19:58:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF8323BEF8; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <453D1E0F.6060200@mhorse.com> References: <20061023195019.33898.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453D1E0F.6060200@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D397B2A-AFC1-4359-909A-5D12BD9A556E@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:52:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:58:38 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Naw...'scuse the poetic (??) license. I believe someone already > posted getting a refund back from one of the retailers for the > Repeater v2. > Yep...'twas me. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 20:01:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 797E33BEFE; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:45:45 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear Message-ID: <20061023194545.GA7557@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453D023B.2060408@hotmail.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <453D023B.2060408@hotmail.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Going the software route will give you a bunch of new things to worry about. You will just experience different limitations and hurdles to deal with now :O( I have both and enjoy my gibson echoplex and work with what it can offer me and understand what it doesn't do, which doesn't effect me that much. But I do enjoy my powerbook/ableton/midi controller setup also, but I again expect and understand the limitations here also and appreciate what software can do. On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 07:56:11PM +0200, weaviestonder wrote: > Thanks Douglas, Mark. Although you guys say two very different things > about the DD-20, you both contributed to give me a clearer idea on what > I need. As I said in my first post, I am planning to buy a new laptop > and use that and a midi foot controller instead of a hardware looping > device, but I just can't afford to buy all that stuff at once! > > A couple of more question for Mark: > > 1. how much RAM would you say a laptop would need to function as a > looper? Can you give me a frame of reference? > 2. is software for Mac less functional than that on PC? I was planning > to get a Mac, since I have heard from many people that they are more > reliable than computers (no crashes, etc), which is a big deal when you > are performing live obviously. Also, they told me most PCs have longer > delay in handling MIDI signal (sorry this explanation is poor but my > English is insufficient here). > 3. If I chose to get a Mac, would the hardware requirements be > different? I mean, would I need more or less RAM or more or less CPU to > do the same thing? > > Thank you all very much again, it's great to get to talk to people who > have experience in this field and are willing to share it and so patient > in talking to a newbie! :) > > Lorenzo > > > > > >--- weaviestonder wrote: > > > >That is why I need perfect timing control over my > >loops: they need tobe perfectly synchronized with the > >drum track I run in the background. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 20:46:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9593C3BED5; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 501969325 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A3AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6F6E4.51C25246" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:46:34 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F6E4.51C25246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" uli does it again. buys a line6 variax, copies the guts & lashes them into a very cheap strat knock-off. I mean, I know he's making sophisticated equipment available to folks who'd otherwise be starving themselves to get on the first rung of home-recording's long ladder, but there has to be something a little immoral about behringer's total lack of shame or innovation. then there's the reliability issue mentioned here before. one can only imagine that the lack of decent in-house R&D leaves them exposed when it comes to the survivability or otherwise of what they end up making. didn't boss & EH just jump all over them for some major stomp-box infractions? 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uli does it again. buys a line6 variax, copies the guts & lashes them into a very cheap strat knock-off.
 
I mean, I know he's making sophisticated equipment available to folks who'd otherwise be starving themselves to get on the first rung of home-recording's long ladder, but there has to be something a little immoral about behringer's total lack of shame or innovation. then there's the reliability issue mentioned here before. one can only imagine that the lack of decent in-house R&D leaves them exposed when it comes to the survivability or otherwise of what they end up making.
 
didn't boss & EH just jump all over them for some major stomp-box infractions? I expect he's either got balls of iron or a shit-hot patents lawyer.
 
uli, why don't you make a repeater knock-off, for fox ache?
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6F6E4.51C25246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 21:15:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 535DD3BED2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <453D1603.4020100@mhorse.com> References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> <453D1603.4020100@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:15:07 +0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Ninjam server Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7LzCJC.A.wTC.hDTPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:15:14 +0000 (UTC) At 2:20 PM -0500 10/23/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: >Thanks for putting this out there, mech, it sounds like a >possibility for sure. The actual server requirements from the Ninjam >page (http://ninjam.com/download.php) suggest a server of at least >500mhz, and 4meg of RAM use (I don't quite understand this myself, >as most servers would have at least 512 meg of RAM...?). Probably >the main concern would be bandwidth, to make sure sessions can >happen without killing your wife's sites (and by proxy, you). Ninjam >says 768kbps outbound is required for a 4-person session, which is >more than any DSL connection I'm aware of. I think we'd want to be >able to host four people at least comfortably, plus hosting sites, >so probably a meg of upload is what we'd want. Is the server on DSL? >We could certainly see about bumping up the bandwidth and paying for >that, plus of course reimbursement for the use itself. > >Yes, I think Krispen was involved with setting up the server for the >Kyberfest so I'll check in with him. Mark Francombe also had one set >up for testing. Hrm, I was just looking at the specs, and this may not be quite so bad. Although my server's only got 512meg of RAM (I've only got 512m? I could swear I'm paying for 1gig.), it's still looking like there's enough horsepower -- and certainly enough diskspace -- to spare. I'm connected through an OC192 in the datacenter, so I think the bandwidth is good just so long as we don't go above my 500gb traffic allotment on any given month. I do need to see if I can get the software to compile, however (i'm on linux). I think it's worth having a conversation with some of the experts, but before I go too far, I'd like to know how much interest there is in this really? Anybody else like the idea of another Ninjam server out there? If we get one set up, is it actually gonna get used? TIA!!! --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 21:22:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9CFA3BED9; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22006101232122815@bigvalley.net> X-Priority: 3 From: "twglabmotories research facility" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:22:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Fox ache!=3F LOL I was trying to remember what that effect or device a "fox ache" was and gave up figuring I had a lot to learn =2E Later I think I sounded it out verbally and just about pee'd my pants laughing=2E I love the English language=2E Thanx for the headsup on this new Berringer item=2E Yeah, mebbe he spends so much on legal representation that there's nothing left for a decent R&D department=2E Cheers, Noel Grassy ---- Original Message ---- From: goddard=2Eduncan@mtvne=2Ecom To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: RE: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar=20 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:31 +0100 >uli does it again=2E buys a line6 variax, copies the guts & lashes them >into a >very cheap strat knock-off=2E=20 >=20 >I mean, I know he's making sophisticated equipment available to folks >who'd >otherwise be starving themselves to get on the first rung of >home-recording's long ladder, but there has to be something a little >immoral >about behringer's total lack of shame or innovation=2E then there's the >reliability issue mentioned here before=2E one can only imagine that >the lack >of decent in-house R&D leaves them exposed when it comes to the >survivability or otherwise of what they end up making=2E >=20 >didn't boss & EH just jump all over them for some major stomp-box >infractions=3F I expect he's either got balls of iron or a shit-hot >patents >lawyer=2E >=20 >uli, why don't you make a repeater knock-off, for fox ache=3F >=20 >duncan=2E > > >********************************************************************* >****** >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >be privileged=2E If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20= >not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it >in any form whatsoever=2EIf you have received this e-mail in error, >please e-mail the sender by replying to this message=2E > >It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other >checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not >affect your systems / data=2E Any views or opinions expressed in this >e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, >nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated=2E > >MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 >and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment=2E > >MTV Networks Europe >********************************************************************* >****** > = Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! 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See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 21:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 964A63BED3; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453D3591.4080002@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:35:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> <453D1603.4020100@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060802050200010603080005" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:35:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060802050200010603080005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That does sound pretty good actually, mech. 500g a month is a /lot/ of data transfer, I really doubt we'd approach that unless there were sessions all day, every day. They do provide source code that's compilable on Linux, on that download page . Once we talk with the folks who set up the Kyberfest, if things still look likely, we could do a few sessions and test to see how hard we're hitting the server. In the Kyberfest group there was a lot of voiced interest in ongoing sessions. I know for me personally I could do any number of sessions a week, and just having the availability would be well worth it. I think involvement would grow as familiarity with the software increased, too. Others? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > Hrm, I was just looking at the specs, and this may not be quite so > bad. Although my server's only got 512meg of RAM (I've only got 512m? > I could swear I'm paying for 1gig.), it's still looking like there's > enough horsepower -- and certainly enough diskspace -- to spare. I'm > connected through an OC192 in the datacenter, so I think the bandwidth > is good just so long as we don't go above my 500gb traffic allotment > on any given month. I do need to see if I can get the software to > compile, however (i'm on linux). > > I think it's worth having a conversation with some of the experts, but > before I go too far, I'd like to know how much interest there is in > this really? Anybody else like the idea of another Ninjam server out > there? If we get one set up, is it actually gonna get used? > > TIA!!! > > --m. --------------060802050200010603080005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That does sound pretty good actually, mech. 500g a month is a lot of data transfer, I really doubt we'd approach that unless there were sessions all day, every day. They do provide source code that's compilable on Linux, on that download page. Once we talk with the folks who set up the Kyberfest, if things still look likely, we could do a few sessions and test to see how hard we're hitting the server.

In the Kyberfest group there was a lot of voiced interest in ongoing sessions. I know for me personally I could do any number of sessions a week, and just having the availability would be well worth it. I think involvement would grow as familiarity with the software increased, too. Others?

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


Hrm, I was just looking at the specs, and this may not be quite so bad.  Although my server's only got 512meg of RAM (I've only got 512m? I could swear I'm paying for 1gig.), it's still looking like there's enough horsepower -- and certainly enough diskspace -- to spare.  I'm connected through an OC192 in the datacenter, so I think the bandwidth is good just so long as we don't go above my 500gb traffic allotment on any given month.  I do need to see if I can get the software to compile, however (i'm on linux).

I think it's worth having a conversation with some of the experts, but before I go too far, I'd like to know how much interest there is in this really?  Anybody else like the idea of another Ninjam server out there?  If we get one set up, is it actually gonna get used?

TIA!!!

    --m.

--------------060802050200010603080005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 21:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9AEB3BED2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=06Y1VW4ih0NYWw2WTXIl+CpOKqydIsHQKtKhopthV0fYIaIBujfFvlugvinQZayFJTNvg4sdIGykrkjRiKRt2KdIsPCzwu/1Nf+7VJbX1IB/E1VCv6gObXULIOe9pQ0fmyCaLJxalydMqYNUkYU4CBBDzRJ60iR1k+tFuonOppI= ; Message-ID: <20061023214345.99915.qmail@web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061023200121.3127D3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <23gKDB.A.2aD.ReTPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Mark wrote: < X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88CEF3BEF1; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mGa1e7YGi+NphwhuAnhi5FWFKUUqshVQenLbJ506nPbVJo8efO70hnX4EE1xpYG7vdiE4+VJpQyWmahVX2p776myhWBzJRoKMDMYzoOpv99cfbSNPNNSWeo8uVpO0LQdGYbkyjCtTrcPr6zR2rVOR++5fUxytQ63W0UmovYik1w= Message-ID: <64b81a780610231444x6405b2eeid9ebe365c49b02c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:44:50 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A3AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A3AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Except, that in this case the guitar in question bears absolutely no functional similarity with a Line6 Variax. As mentioned earlier, this is nothing but a USB audio interface crammed inside a dirt cheap strat copy. The Variax is very much more than that. In principal, your argument is sound, but in this case, the details don't line up. Todd On 10/23/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > uli does it again. buys a line6 variax, copies the guts & lashes them into a > very cheap strat knock-off. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 21:46:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A4883BEFE; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:46:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B5D4@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE0987A3AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar thread-index: Acb25FT4R8ShuFdhRciSmXtkSJBjfQAB7QNA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <3Z_MsB.A.lvD.MhTPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:52 +0000 (UTC) From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =20 > uli does it again. buys a line6 variax, copies the guts & lashes them > into a very cheap strat knock-off. It isn't anywyere near that. The guitar itself doesn't including any amp modeling hardware, it just has an extremely cheap one-way USB audio interface. The only thing that comes out of it is the "screaming tone" from the pickups and "fantastic maple neck". =20 =20 The guitar output is then fed into some reduced functionality versions of software amp modelers licensed from Native Instruments. You have to monitor through a computer to get anything approaching "screaming tone".=20 =20 It might be mildly amusing for a 10 year old, but anyone that already has a guitar would be much better off with the cheapest USB=20 audio interface you can find, and a few free plugins from KVR.=20 =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 22:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 223803BEE2; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jV+liFQLW7sI+BSnSYajeUhYEfBVAspUQ78x1cVkzjL9uWlP6no9au3TK5gfCBpVmLL8uCQVvNFEboJDRbXVUbD5GyXh3EUxsp8OsMR9b0lk6Ky/hCL6nslosrjLQ3Yi//NaJF/yJQabCBSRk9XnvTEcJV7BEhtrkE7lD9bWPo8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B5D4@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B5D4@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DF540BD-C4CC-4D1E-ABC7-E8F1C52CF837@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:55:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:02:22 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > but anyone that already > has a guitar would be much better off with the cheapest USB > audio interface you can find, This is pretty inexpensive: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LightSnake10 regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 22:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D34083BEF7; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hOQrGd2/AQm2H/4pT9XBr0zAYcQnLErQc1dxX1k7lhLcNCGC7WkZmEBlmmYh4LjZNyKTxaDvtiOdZHB4gcb7KJE8hPnfNtuxmMbq5QDTTaB8zG4TCy60xQonoqHP98vetTzMcPccxrbEgHEarlh5QtFWj1cSCZ8gyTWQLd/fx6g= ; Message-ID: <20061023220714.24137.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <453D023B.2060408@hotmail.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:07:15 +0000 (UTC) --- weaviestonder wrote: > > A couple of more question for Mark: > > 1. how much RAM would you say a laptop would need to > function as a > looper? Can you give me a frame of reference? I think they say on the Mobius site that 1 gig of memory is a good amount to have (and many laptops come with at least 1 gig these days), but my laptop came with 2 slots and if you get it custom configured one of those slots was filled with a 1 gig chip. A second 1 gig chip for $150 brought me to 2 gigs. I got this to be more safe and run sampler software. When I had 1 gig of RAM I was able to get Live and a bunch of instruments and effects running perfectly. I've always figured it's best to bring your machine up to the highest specs you can afford though. Makes them last longer. > 2. is software for Mac less functional than that on > PC? Not by nature, but in this case Mobius is XP only. Can XP apps, including Mobius run on a new Mac? Yes. If I had unlimited cash and wasn't impatient, I'd have waited and gotten a Macbook Pro. However, I had a budget and I was able to get exactly what I wanted with a Toshiba laptop. Is Windows XP a bizarre, clunky, annoying, pestery security nightmare? Yes. However, once you reconfigure it and keep it off the web it works just as well. (but man is it ugly compared to the Mac OS!) If you go XP, plan on giving yourself a week of tweaking time to get it running for music. My Mac G5 was good to go out of the box. I was planning > to get a Mac, since I have heard from many people > that they are more > reliable than computers (no crashes, etc), which is > a big deal when you > are performing live obviously. Again, as long as you learn how to take care of a Windows box, they're pretty damn stable. The one time Live 5 crashed on me Mobius kept going and responding to MIDI messages. In a performance situation this would have given me plenty of time to fade my loops, starting a new one using my Vox Tonelab so I could do a reboot and continue seamlessly. Also, I was doing something fairly stupid when it crashed, like adding VSTis while a sequence was running. Not something I'd do in a performance. Also, they told me > most PCs have longer > delay in handling MIDI signal (sorry this > explanation is poor but my > English is insufficient here). Again, I don't think MIDI latency is much of an issue in any new machine with a USB interface. > 3. If I chose to get a Mac, would the hardware > requirements be > different? I mean, would I need more or less RAM or > more or less CPU to > do the same thing? I know when Mac was using the G5 chip there was not a direct way to compare clock speed. Often a PC needed as much as twice the clock to run the same app according to Reaktor 5's box. I know a lot of how an app runs on any OS depends on how it's optimized. I find a lot of apps that are Mac only work really well (Like Digital Performer) but others like Live run better because to cut corners they're not fully optimized for the Mac OS. I think this got corrected in Live 5 though, but I only run that on the laptop. > > Thank you all very much again, it's great to get to > talk to people who > have experience in this field and are willing to > share it and so patient > in talking to a newbie! :) You're on what I consider by far to be the best music list. Enjoy! I don't know why, but loopers seem to be the most knowledgeable and helpful people on this planet. Good luck, you're about to learn a very fun way to make music. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 23 23:02:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 286573BEDA; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061023190232.62ot0j8s8w0wwcoo@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:02:32 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer iAXE393 USB-Guitar References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B5D4@keel.sailpoint.com> <6DF540BD-C4CC-4D1E-ABC7-E8F1C52CF837@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6DF540BD-C4CC-4D1E-ABC7-E8F1C52CF837@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:02:40 +0000 (UTC) you could buy a lightsnake which will do the same thing for you for $40.00. Then you can still plug into an amp if you choose... http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LightSnake10/ Paul Haslem Quoting RP Collier : > > On Oct 23, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> but anyone that already >> has a guitar would be much better off with the cheapest USB >> audio interface you can find, > > This is pretty inexpensive: > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LightSnake10 > > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 09:29:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E518A3BED9; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453DDCE6.40901@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:29:10 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear References: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <453D023B.2060408@hotmail.it> In-Reply-To: <453D023B.2060408@hotmail.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:29:14 +0000 (UTC) weaviestonder wrote: > 1. how much RAM would you say a laptop would need to function as a > looper? Can you give me a frame of reference? I run with 768 meg on a Powerbook, but nowadays you'll probably get 1 Gig for the same price. I have in my set a loopingtime of 9*90 seconds, this is more than 13 minutes... I never use all of it, but it could even be enhanced... The same patch (basically as it changes with each concert) has been running on a 500 MHz 512 MB G3 Powerbook on OS 9. With OS X I needed a bit more speed - Now with 1.5 GHz I can throw in some extra treatements... > 2. is software for Mac less functional than that on PC? I was planning > to get a Mac, since I have heard from many people that they are more > reliable than computers (no crashes, etc), which is a big deal when you > are performing live obviously. The only software I would run anyway is the most functional of all: MaxMSP. It runs very nicely on a Mac. The new MacIntels actually could also run Windows if you're willing to be adventurous... ;-) > 3. If I chose to get a Mac, would the hardware requirements be > different? I mean, would I need more or less RAM or more or less CPU to > do the same thing? No... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 09:34:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCDA63BEDF; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453DDE39.70501@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:34:49 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> <453D1603.4020100@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:34:50 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > I think it's worth having a conversation with some of the experts, but > before I go too far, I'd like to know how much interest there is in this > really? Anybody else like the idea of another Ninjam server out there? > If we get one set up, is it actually gonna get used? yes, definitely. Its just a wonderfull rehearsal space. There are not too many opportunities for rehearsing free improvised music. It will develop the skills of improvisers much more, because nowadays you either jam with people who know each other, or you jam too sporadicly with people you don't know. Jamming with very familiar friends is fun, but it does not enhance your improvising skills... This will allow to improvise on a much more regular basis. And just imagine, now we would be able to play with four musicians at a time which isn't bad, but upcoming technologies will enhance that a lot. In the future you probably would not need a calender to organize things, you just hop in, and choose a space to meet... (Like you can do already with the official Ninjam servers by the way.) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 09:39:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F6E3BEF6; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453DDF3C.7090909@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:39:08 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear References: <20061023220714.24137.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061023220714.24137.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:39:10 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > Also, I was doing something fairly stupid when it crashed, like > adding VSTis while a sequence was running. Not something I'd do in a > performance. I made a well working performance patch which did exactly that, loading VST's while running, no problem so far on my Mac... (Of course what you load should be tested in advance, some VST's just prefer to crash than to play... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 09:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58CFF3BEFF; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Ninjam server Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:50:50 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01c6f751$e3b55000$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acb3UA9atOkbCXcMQ8SJ5rc2Ss91lQAAXuQQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:50:55 +0000 (UTC) > before I go too far, I'd like to know how much > interest there is in this really? Anybody else like the idea > of another Ninjam server out there? If we get one set up, is > it actually gonna get used? speaking for myself only, I'd say yes. It was so much fun ninjamming with other loopers, and we explored just a little of the territory that's opened by that technology. -Michael - some ninjams are here - http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/ninjams/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 13:19:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2202B3BEC5; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <004d01c6f76e$ec10b920$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <453D3591.4080002@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Ninjam server Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:18:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6F77F.ACDC8C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:19:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6F77F.ACDC8C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the idea of setting up an LD Ninjam server is great, however is = it really ness to find a permanant home... (unless someone here is gonna = donate one). Installing the NinJam server is incedibly simple, even for = complete idiots like me, and you don't need a special "server" machine = either. My server that i have been running is just on my work machine = and I can basically have it running whenever Im not working. What WOULD be a good idea however would be a page that can track what = servers are currently up and running, and number of current users. = Exactly like the Jam Farm page. So I would, for example, register my = server IP on this page, and then it would track when I was running... = maybe some hassle of course... but could be a more flexible and = collaborative solution than one dedicated server that may go sown and = have no one to fix... Lets ALL put up servers and share by a centralised = info hub??? mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: Re: Ninjam server That does sound pretty good actually, mech. 500g a month is a lot of = data transfer, I really doubt we'd approach that unless there were = sessions all day, every day. They do provide source code that's = compilable on Linux, on that download page. Once we talk with the folks = who set up the Kyberfest, if things still look likely, we could do a few = sessions and test to see how hard we're hitting the server. In the Kyberfest group there was a lot of voiced interest in ongoing = sessions. I know for me personally I could do any number of sessions a = week, and just having the availability would be well worth it. I think = involvement would grow as familiarity with the software increased, too. = Others? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com Hrm, I was just looking at the specs, and this may not be quite so = bad. Although my server's only got 512meg of RAM (I've only got 512m? I = could swear I'm paying for 1gig.), it's still looking like there's = enough horsepower -- and certainly enough diskspace -- to spare. I'm = connected through an OC192 in the datacenter, so I think the bandwidth = is good just so long as we don't go above my 500gb traffic allotment on = any given month. I do need to see if I can get the software to compile, = however (i'm on linux).=20 I think it's worth having a conversation with some of the experts, = but before I go too far, I'd like to know how much interest there is in = this really? Anybody else like the idea of another Ninjam server out = there? If we get one set up, is it actually gonna get used?=20 TIA!!!=20 --m.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2432 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6F77F.ACDC8C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the idea of setting up an LD = Ninjam server=20 is great, however is it really ness to find a permanant home... (unless = someone=20 here is gonna donate one). Installing the NinJam server is incedibly = simple,=20 even for complete idiots like me, and you don't need a special "server" = machine=20 either. My server that i have been running is just on my work machine = and I can=20 basically have it running whenever Im not working.
What WOULD be a good idea however would = be a page=20 that can track what servers are currently up and running, and number of = current=20 users. Exactly like the Jam Farm page. So I would, for example, register = my=20 server IP on this page, and then it would track when I was = running... maybe=20 some hassle of course... but could be a more flexible and=20 collaborative solution than one dedicated server that may go sown = and have=20 no one to fix... Lets ALL put up servers and share by a centralised info = hub???
 
 
mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com
----- Original Message -----
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That does sound pretty good actually, mech. 500g a = month is a=20 lot of data transfer, I really doubt we'd approach that unless = there=20 were sessions all day, every day. They do provide source code that's=20 compilable on Linux, on that download=20 page. Once we talk with the folks who set up the Kyberfest, if = things=20 still look likely, we could do a few sessions and test to see how hard = we're=20 hitting the server.

In the Kyberfest group there was a lot of = voiced=20 interest in ongoing sessions. I know for me personally I could do any = number=20 of sessions a week, and just having the availability would be well = worth it. I=20 think involvement would grow as familiarity with the software = increased, too.=20 Others?

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


Hrm, I was just looking at the specs, and this may = not be=20 quite so bad.  Although my server's only got 512meg of RAM = (I've only=20 got 512m? I could swear I'm paying for 1gig.), it's still looking = like=20 there's enough horsepower -- and certainly enough diskspace -- to=20 spare.  I'm connected through an OC192 in the datacenter, so I = think=20 the bandwidth is good just so long as we don't go above my 500gb = traffic=20 allotment on any given month.  I do need to see if I can get = the=20 software to compile, however (i'm on linux).

I think it's = worth=20 having a conversation with some of the experts, but before I go too = far, I'd=20 like to know how much interest there is in this really?  = Anybody else=20 like the idea of another Ninjam server out there?  If we get = one set=20 up, is it actually gonna get used?

TIA!!!=20

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------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C6F77F.ACDC8C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 14:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C253BEDB; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:21:44 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006501c6f777$c7746220$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061023171751.29878.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Yo Mark! I think we have a rich point of discussion to mine here. Just after I wrote that the DD-20 *could* run in "virtual sync" with a drum machine, you wrote: > Then the DD-20 (I looper that I own and love) will not > work for you at all. Why? No device can loop > perfectly forever unless it can sync to a MIDI clock. > You'll get drift. It sneeks up on you pretty fast and > very quickly you will not have a loop that is synced > to your drums. I would amend your warnings about non-MIDI-sync'd loop-and-drum setups by paying attention to the following rather strong words: "at all" and "perfectly forever." For you, the DD-20 won't work "at all" as a syncing looper, yet for me it runs in "virtual sync" for comfortably long periods of time - fifteen minutes to a half hour before audible drift occurs. For me, that's not sneaking up pretty fast. No, it's not "perfectly forever" but it's workable. I suppose if I had the bucks I'd try some other hardware, but for under $400 I have my two DD-20s which run in a very acceptable sync with each other AND in sync with my under-$200 Zoom drum machine. Let me also make clear that it actually takes a little effort and advance preparation to get my DD-20s and my drum machine to run side by side in sync. If my drum machine is bapping away at 80 b.p.m., I have to whip out my calculator and solve the magic formula: delay time of one beat in milliseconds = [60 x 1000/80 beats per minute] . Solved, this equals 750ms, so if I want one beat to loop over and over, I'll set my DD-20s to 0750. >From here, I don't find it too hard to calculate for four beats (750 x 4), eight beats (750 x 8), or for way groovy rhythmic displacement like 10-1/4 beats (750 x 10.25). While this minute or so of calculating doesn't bother me in the least, it could prove annoying to someone who just wants to turn on a drum machine and loop (relatively) instantly, then tweak the drum track up by 4 b.p.m. and expect the looper to follow suit. I'll tell ya, I would LOVE-LOVE-LOVE to see a delay-based looper-like piece of hardware like the DD-20s with a friggin' MIDI clock input. I know there have been discussions about why this some kind of severe problem for engineers to design, but man, a DD-20 with MIDI sync would cause my poor heart to skip a beat (maybe I will need MIDI sync for the day I may need a pacemaker!) DD-50, anyone? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 14:55:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07CDE3BEE0; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vCVzW6BkD8py+DCXpVkdrLwlxYksB8klxFDPw9sj5L/RJsXG4iFR8m91lTkleb1TGnlxKMlmjctyEjyztQUjulMblO5tddd14+RbfXaLgptrl4zFR2Mj71ZSlBio4WgaIK5drgGhap38GRevdtZjgDtC+LOJHnRCoUo19ZxaLHY= ; Message-ID: <20061024145546.85861.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: dl4 expression pedal To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1303364793-1161701746=:84916" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:55:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1303364793-1161701746=:84916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd like to get an expression pedal for my DL4. The official Line 6 model (the EX1) is coming in around $50USD and I'm wondering if anybody uses a less expensive alternative. ted h. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1303364793-1161701746=:84916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'd like to get an expression pedal for my DL4.
 
The official Line 6 model (the EX1) is coming in around $50USD and I'm wondering if anybody uses a less expensive alternative.
 
 
ted h.


"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1303364793-1161701746=:84916-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 15:53:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6AA3BED2; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:53:17 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D3591.4080002@mhorse.com> <004d01c6f76e$ec10b920$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <004d01c6f76e$ec10b920$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030500000600040701030008" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:53:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030500000600040701030008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, it's good to hear that setting up a server is easy to do. What I'm intending is, indeed, to create a permanent home, something with enough muscle and bandwidth to allow us to depend on it. (I am intending, too, to donate money to keep it running, as much as is possible depending on the final costs). I must say it is an attractive idea - very socialist! - to have a number of different servers all provided by those of us who can, with a page to track them. It does have the additional advantage of allowing multiple sessions at once. But what I'm thinking right now is to focus on one server, and giving that as much support as is needed. I also like the idea that having a single location would give it a certain elevation, like a venue more than just a practice space, where people could conceivably tune in anytime to hear some live looping music. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I think the idea of setting up an LD Ninjam server is great, however > is it really ness to find a permanant home... (unless someone here is > gonna donate one). Installing the NinJam server is incedibly simple, > even for complete idiots like me, and you don't need a special > "server" machine either. My server that i have been running is just on > my work machine and I can basically have it running whenever Im not > working. > What WOULD be a good idea however would be a page that can track what > servers are currently up and running, and number of current users. > Exactly like the Jam Farm page. So I would, for example, register my > server IP on this page, and then it would track when I was running... > maybe some hassle of course... but could be a more flexible and > collaborative solution than one dedicated server that may go sown and > have no one to fix... Lets ALL put up servers and share by a > centralised info hub??? > --------------030500000600040701030008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, it's good to hear that setting up a server is easy to do. What I'm intending is, indeed, to create a permanent home, something with enough muscle and bandwidth to allow us to depend on it. (I am intending, too, to donate money to keep it running, as much as is possible depending on the final costs). I must say it is an attractive idea - very socialist! - to have a number of different servers all provided by those of us who can, with a page to track them. It does have the additional advantage of allowing multiple sessions at once. But what I'm thinking right now is to focus on one server, and giving that as much support as is needed. I also like the idea that having a single location would give it a certain elevation, like a venue more than just a practice space, where people could conceivably tune in anytime to hear some live looping music.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

I think the idea of setting up an LD Ninjam server is great, however is it really ness to find a permanant home... (unless someone here is gonna donate one). Installing the NinJam server is incedibly simple, even for complete idiots like me, and you don't need a special "server" machine either. My server that i have been running is just on my work machine and I can basically have it running whenever Im not working.
What WOULD be a good idea however would be a page that can track what servers are currently up and running, and number of current users. Exactly like the Jam Farm page. So I would, for example, register my server IP on this page, and then it would track when I was running... maybe some hassle of course... but could be a more flexible and collaborative solution than one dedicated server that may go sown and have no one to fix... Lets ALL put up servers and share by a centralised info hub???
 

--------------030500000600040701030008-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 16:13:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2D623BEEA; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453E3B91.6000807@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:13:05 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: KlackaDackaRacka Troupe ninjam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2E5tDC.A.WlG.dujPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:13:17 +0000 (UTC) I've posted an mp3 of the Kyberfest performance I did with Warren Sirota (nylon-string guitar/guitar synth) and Brian Good (sax & EWI). Warren was in Santa Cruz, Brian in Ohio, USA, and I was in Oaxaca, Mexico (playing nylon-string as well, plus my trusty four-track). For no firm reason, we called ourselves the KlackaDackaRacka Troupe. http://www.swanwelder.com/projects/seamlesssurprises.htm Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 16:24:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B13953BEE6; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QYrPzmQe033IzAwNYJ5kcfEX8n3X7JQGMyOBQg94E5qJ7Zd3yweiJ9ElziHmIEL3tT+90KVihGwZPC/kIrgDnL6KOSPPhCIgZzjwHAbo3jtT/OZ58edz59Z5rMwGAuxp321AqfU1OeprpJcAkZIKrLJ1Ah6kM0BKGd6Pg7ySwrE= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10610240924h1e10da7ax2afb4f6b47a36675@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:24:33 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dl4 expression pedal In-Reply-To: <20061024145546.85861.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10847_29054980.1161707073081" References: <20061024145546.85861.qmail@web34314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:24:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10847_29054980.1161707073081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, not less expensive, but it may contribute to the overall comparison: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-EV5-Expression-Pedal?sku=3D15= 1321 I've had this pedal with the DL-4 for many years, never regretted it. Nic On 10/24/06, ditch wrestler wrote: > > I'd like to get an expression pedal for my DL4. > > The official Line 6 model (the EX1) is coming in around $50USD and I'm > wondering if anybody uses a less expensive alternative. > > > ted h. > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, > and an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard > > ------------------------------ > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > --=20 Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.cdbaby.com/fractal ------=_Part_10847_29054980.1161707073081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, not less expensive, but it= may contribute to the overall comparison:

http://w= ww.musiciansfriend.com/product/Roland-EV5-Expression-Pedal?sku=3D151321

I've had this pedal with the DL-4 for many years, never regrett= ed it.
Nic

On 10/24/06, ditch wrestler < ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd like to get an expression pedal for my= DL4.
 
The official Line 6 model (the EX1) is= coming in around $50USD and I'm wondering if anybody uses a less expensive= alternative.
 
 
ted h.

"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginnin= g, middle, and an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." Jean L= uc Goddard

=20 =09=09

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.=20




--
Nic Roozeboo= m

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http://www.cdbaby.com/fra= ctal ------=_Part_10847_29054980.1161707073081-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 16:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73DB93BEF8; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: dl4 expression pedal Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:29:24 -0400 Message-ID: <010301c6f789$917dd180$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <9ff9c5d10610240924h1e10da7ax2afb4f6b47a36675@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Acb3iOXSHWHKnJPqQsmbrvov8FNylwAAHy2A X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:29:28 +0000 (UTC) I use the non-plastic Ernie Ball Jr. 25k and it works perfectly, and will probably outlive us all. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies ________________________________ I've had this pedal with the DL-4 for many years, never regretted it. Nic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 17:37:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9EE23BEE8; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1161708897.453e4561636f7@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:54:57 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Daryl Shawn Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D3591.4080002@mhorse.com> <004d01c6f76e$ec10b920$5a01a8c0@mark> <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:37:34 +0000 (UTC) I plan to leave the ninjam server I installed for the y2k6 kyberfest running... it is running on a dedicated server, and available 24/7... I don't have the access info at my finger tips, but I will post it later.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Daryl Shawn : > Mark, it's good to hear that setting up a server is easy to do. What I'm > intending is, indeed, to create a permanent home, something with enough > muscle and bandwidth to allow us to depend on it. (I am intending, too, > to donate money to keep it running, as much as is possible depending on > the final costs). I must say it is an attractive idea - very socialist! > - to have a number of different servers all provided by those of us who > can, with a page to track them. It does have the additional advantage of > allowing multiple sessions at once. But what I'm thinking right now is > to focus on one server, and giving that as much support as is needed. I > also like the idea that having a single location would give it a certain > elevation, like a venue more than just a practice space, where people > could conceivably tune in anytime to hear some live looping music. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > I think the idea of setting up an LD Ninjam server is great, however > > is it really ness to find a permanant home... (unless someone here is > > gonna donate one). Installing the NinJam server is incedibly simple, > > even for complete idiots like me, and you don't need a special > > "server" machine either. My server that i have been running is just on > > my work machine and I can basically have it running whenever Im not > > working. > > What WOULD be a good idea however would be a page that can track what > > servers are currently up and running, and number of current users. > > Exactly like the Jam Farm page. So I would, for example, register my > > server IP on this page, and then it would track when I was running... > > maybe some hassle of course... but could be a more flexible and > > collaborative solution than one dedicated server that may go sown and > > have no one to fix... Lets ALL put up servers and share by a > > centralised info hub??? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 17:41:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3353A3BEFC; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d401c6f793$9aa0cb00$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001401c6f68b$41ba6720$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: some ninjams online Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:41:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Michael. This is now on the Y2K6 website, on the webcast-pictures-MP3 page. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: ; "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:08 AM Subject: some ninjams online > I've put three one-hour-ninjams online here: > http://www.michaelpeters.de/mp3/ninjams. > You can download (if you really want), or listen to an mp3 stream in 128 > kbps stereo if you have the bandwidth. > > The first of the jams is the "official" session with Per, Bernhard, and me > from the Y2K6 ninjam stage. Per was local in Santa Cruz, Bernhard was in > Zurich, Switzerland, and I was at home near Cologne, Germany. > > The second is a jam that Michael Bearpark, Bernhard and me did "backstage" > on another server immediately afterwards. > > The third is a test jam that I did with Bernhard two days before the > festival. > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 17:42:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A923BF11; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1161709385.453e4749a07b1@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:03:05 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Bob Amstadt Subject: Re: Fw: Thanks to Rick Walker for organizing Y2K6 Intl Live Looping Festival References: <044301c6f6d3$7c81ede0$6801a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: <044301c6f6d3$7c81ede0$6801a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: <5ZAw0B.A.z5C.FClPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Here! Here! An event like this consumes ones life, and I don't think we can thank Rick enough for making the sacrifice... This year, due to scheduling issues, Rick even gave up his performance spot!! Much honour to Rick and his dedication to looping.. and music.. :) Thank you brother! :) -cpr Quoting Bob Amstadt : > I can't thank Rick enough for all the work that he did putting together the > Y2K6 festival. I had a blast this weekend. I heard some of the most > wonderful music this weekend. What is even better is that it was all > different. This festival went a long way to demonstrating that there are > many different ways that looping can be used in music. > > As for myself, I want to thank Rick for talking me into performing at the > festival. My daughter joined me for my 30 minute set. We brought out my > "private" music that I normally only perform at home. It felt really good to > be performing my music for a change. > > So, a big thank you to Rick and everybody else that helped put this amazing > gathering together. > > -Bob Amstadt ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 18:19:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DFCE3BEE6; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453E5934.3030903@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:19:32 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D3591.4080002@mhorse.com> <004d01c6f76e$ec10b920$5a01a8c0@mark> <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> <1161708897.453e4561636f7@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1161708897.453e4561636f7@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010406070302090801060809" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:19:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010406070302090801060809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome, cpr! Are you referring to the one that we actually used for the performance? (207.44.142.117:2050) If you're opening this up to all of us, I've got lots of questions, like any bandwidth limits, possibilities for setting up a stream, chatroom, etc...we can talk offlist perhaps. thanks very much for offering! I'm thinking more about Mark's multiple server idea... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I plan to leave the ninjam server I installed for the y2k6 kyberfest running... > it is running on a dedicated server, and available 24/7... I don't have the > access info at my finger tips, but I will post it later.. :) > > peace > -cpr > --------------010406070302090801060809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome, cpr! Are you referring to the one that we actually used for the performance? (207.44.142.117:2050) If you're opening this up to all of us, I've got lots of questions, like any bandwidth limits, possibilities for setting up a stream, chatroom, etc...we can talk offlist perhaps. thanks very much for offering!

I'm thinking more about Mark's multiple server idea...

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


I plan to leave the ninjam server I installed for the y2k6 kyberfest running...
it is running on a dedicated server, and available 24/7... I don't have the
access info at my finger tips, but I will post it later.. :)

peace
-cpr

--------------010406070302090801060809-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 19:06:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA5D3BEDF; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1161714502.453e5b4645893@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:28:22 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Daryl Shawn Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D3591.4080002@mhorse.com> <004d01c6f76e$ec10b920$5a01a8c0@mark> <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> <1161708897.453e4561636f7@webmail.musetrap.com> <453E5934.3030903@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <453E5934.3030903@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, Yes, that is the one... I've got 1000G/mo bandwidth on that machine, but I also host around 15 domains on it... So, in the long run, I may have to make bandwidth a consideration, but for now I'm not worried about it.. :) I'm always open to participating in things like this, but I also need to keep my 'time commitment' low (so as to not overextend, as I am so apt to do)... So, that always brings up 'tech support' and 'resource management' issues that extend thru-out the lifetime of things like this... I agree that we should take the detail ironing portion of this discussion offlist, we should get a list of email addresses of those interested, and start throwing emails around.. and I'll leave the sheparding of that to you.. ;) peace -cpr Quoting Daryl Shawn : > Awesome, cpr! Are you referring to the one that we actually used for the > performance? (207.44.142.117:2050) If you're opening this up to all of > us, I've got lots of questions, like any bandwidth limits, possibilities > for setting up a stream, chatroom, etc...we can talk offlist perhaps. > thanks very much for offering! > > I'm thinking more about Mark's multiple server idea... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > > I plan to leave the ninjam server I installed for the y2k6 kyberfest > running... > > it is running on a dedicated server, and available 24/7... I don't have > the > > access info at my finger tips, but I will post it later.. :) > > > > peace > > -cpr > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 19:15:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F35F3BEEE; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----_SmarterMail_NextPart_0672056835165106 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:14:39 -0700 Subject: re: KlackaDackaRacka Troupe ninjam From: "wsirota" Reply-To: wsirota@wsdesigns.com To: Cc: Message-ID: <780904d2196c4af89b7b53654c2fe3bd@wsdesigns.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:15:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_0672056835165106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A Hi Daryl,=0D=0A=0D=0AI don't know if you've sent me email or not -= I'm still away from=0D=0Ahome, and using web mail without all my spam filte= rs and sorters is=0D=0Areally cumbersome and difficult. So excuse the fact = that you haven't=0D=0Aheard from me.=0D=0A=0D=0AI really had fun playing wi= th you guys. We had a couple of outages at=0D=0Aour site during the perform= ance, so that's why I dropped out here and=0D=0Athere. But thanks a lot - I= thought there were a few really terrific=0D=0Amoments, and I also thought = it was a great thing that we picked a=0D=0Astarting key ahead of time.=0D= =0A=0D=0APlease convey this to Brian, also, if you don't mind (I don't have= his email address here).=0D=0A=0D=0AAnd thanks for posting the jam.=0D=0A= =0D=0ABest wishes,=0D=0A=0D=0AWarren=0D=0A=0D=0A---------------------------= -------------=0D=0A=0D=0A From: Daryl Shawn =0D=0A= Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:13 AM=0D=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com=0D=0ASubject: KlackaDackaRacka Troupe ninjam =0D=0A=0D=0AI've pos= ted an mp3 of the Kyberfest performance I did with Warren Sirota =0D=0A(nyl= on-string guitar/guitar synth) and Brian Good (sax & EWI). Warren =0D=0Awas= in Santa Cruz, Brian in Ohio, USA, and I was in Oaxaca, Mexico =0D=0A(play= ing nylon-string as well, plus my trusty four-track). For no firm =0D=0Area= son, we called ourselves the KlackaDackaRacka Troupe.=0D=0A=0D=0Ahttp://www= .swanwelder.com/projects/seamlesssurprises.htm=0D=0A=0D=0ADaryl Shawn=0D=0A= www.swanwelder.com=0D=0A=0D=0A ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_0672056835165106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A Hi Daryl,

=0D=0AI don't = know if you've sent me email or not=A0 -I'm still away from=0D=0Ahome, and = using web mail without all my spam filters and sorters is=0D=0Areally cumbe= rsome and difficult. So excuse the fact that you haven't=0D=0Aheard from me= .

=0D=0AI really had fun playing with you guys. We had a couple = of outages at=0D=0Aour site during the performance, so that's why I dropped= out here and=0D=0Athere. But thanks a lot - I thought there were a few rea= lly terrific=0D=0Amoments, and I also thought it was a great thing that we = picked a=0D=0Astarting key ahead of time.

=0D=0APlease convey th= is to Brian, also, if you don't mind (I don't have his email address here).=

=0D=0AAnd thanks for posting the jam.

=0D=0ABest wis= hes,
=0D=0AWarren

=0D=0A =0D=0A
=0D=0A From: Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com>Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:13 AM
To: Loopers-= Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: KlackaDackaRacka Troupe ni= njam=0D=0A
=0D=0A
I've posted an mp3 of the Kyberfest = performance I did with Warren Sirota
(nylon-string guitar/guitar synt= h) and Brian Good (sax & EWI). Warren
was in Santa Cruz, Brian in= Ohio, USA, and I was in Oaxaca, Mexico
(playing nylon-string as well= , plus my trusty four-track). For no firm
reason, we called ourselves= the KlackaDackaRacka Troupe.

http://www.swanwelder.com/projects= /seamlesssurprises.htm

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
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------_SmarterMail_NextPart_0672056835165106-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 19:32:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635F03BF06; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <008d01c6f7a3$0b0cb570$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Ninjam server Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:31:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C6F7B3.CB1E8720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C6F7B3.CB1E8720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, that gonna be great Daryl... one comment of your made me think = about something else actually... the idea of an online looping venue is = superb, so this is what you have... 2 areas one called The Stage and One = called ... um the mosh pit (maybe not... not much moshing at looping = gigs... ) Now The Stage is your NinJam server, jump in here to = contribute... THEN... you run an additional client maybe ON the server = (bandwidth permitting)... THEN you also run a shoutcast server (even = easier to setup than the NinJam server) this should point to the audio = out of the soundcard.. then you have a "listen only" access, for people = who just wanna listen to some live improv looping!!! neat huh... ? However, this functionality may be pretty easy to = implement in the client... sdk is available I think... gonna check the = ninjam forums and see if any work has been done with this... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Ninjam server Mark, it's good to hear that setting up a server is easy to do. What = I'm intending is, indeed, to create a permanent home, something with = enough muscle and bandwidth to allow us to depend on it. (I am = intending, too, to donate money to keep it running, as much as is = possible depending on the final costs). I must say it is an attractive = idea - very socialist! - to have a number of different servers all = provided by those of us who can, with a page to track them. It does have = the additional advantage of allowing multiple sessions at once. But what = I'm thinking right now is to focus on one server, and giving that as = much support as is needed. I also like the idea that having a single = location would give it a certain elevation, like a venue more than just = a practice space, where people could conceivably tune in anytime to hear = some live looping music. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com I think the idea of setting up an LD Ninjam server is great, however = is it really ness to find a permanant home... (unless someone here is = gonna donate one). Installing the NinJam server is incedibly simple, = even for complete idiots like me, and you don't need a special "server" = machine either. My server that i have been running is just on my work = machine and I can basically have it running whenever Im not working. What WOULD be a good idea however would be a page that can track = what servers are currently up and running, and number of current users. = Exactly like the Jam Farm page. So I would, for example, register my = server IP on this page, and then it would track when I was running... = maybe some hassle of course... but could be a more flexible and = collaborative solution than one dedicated server that may go sown and = have no one to fix... Lets ALL put up servers and share by a centralised = info hub??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2432 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C6F7B3.CB1E8720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, that gonna be great Daryl... one = comment of=20 your made me think about something else actually... the idea of an = online=20 looping venue is superb, so this is what you have... 2 areas one = called The=20 Stage and One called ... um the mosh pit (maybe not... not much moshing = at=20 looping gigs... ) Now The Stage is your NinJam server, jump in here to=20 contribute... THEN... you run an additional client maybe ON the server=20 (bandwidth permitting)... THEN you also run a shoutcast server (even = easier to=20 setup than the NinJam server) this should point to the audio out of the=20 soundcard.. then you have a "listen only" access, for people who just = wanna=20 listen to some live improv looping!!!
 
neat huh... ? However, this = functionality may be=20 pretty easy to implement in the client... sdk is available I think... = gonna=20 check the ninjam forums and see if any work has been done with=20 this...
 
 
mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 = 5:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: Ninjam = server

Mark, it's good to hear that setting up a server is = easy to do.=20 What I'm intending is, indeed, to create a permanent home, something = with=20 enough muscle and bandwidth to allow us to depend on it. (I am = intending, too,=20 to donate money to keep it running, as much as is possible depending = on the=20 final costs). I must say it is an attractive idea - very socialist! - = to have=20 a number of different servers all provided by those of us who can, = with a page=20 to track them. It does have the additional advantage of allowing = multiple=20 sessions at once. But what I'm thinking right now is to focus on one = server,=20 and giving that as much support as is needed. I also like the idea = that having=20 a single location would give it a certain elevation, like a venue more = than=20 just a practice space, where people could conceivably tune in anytime = to hear=20 some live looping music.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

I think the idea of setting up an = LD Ninjam=20 server is great, however is it really ness to find a permanant = home...=20 (unless someone here is gonna donate one). Installing the NinJam = server is=20 incedibly simple, even for complete idiots like me, and you don't = need a=20 special "server" machine either. My server that i have been running = is just=20 on my work machine and I can basically have it running whenever Im = not=20 working.
What WOULD be a good idea however = would be a=20 page that can track what servers are currently up and running, and = number of=20 current users. Exactly like the Jam Farm page. So I would, for = example,=20 register my server IP on this page, and then it would track = when I was=20 running... maybe some hassle of course... but could be a more = flexible and=20 collaborative solution than one dedicated server that may go = sown and=20 have no one to fix... Lets ALL put up servers and share by a = centralised=20 info hub???
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C6F7B3.CB1E8720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 24 19:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF9A3BEF1; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453E6C99.1060505@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:42:17 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> <008d01c6f7a3$0b0cb570$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <008d01c6f7a3$0b0cb570$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090309050602080308070804" Resent-Message-ID: <91M1gB.A.D2B.kymPFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:42:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090309050602080308070804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a great idea. I was wondering how exactly to provide a stream and that seems like a deliciously simple way to do it, just leave the client on all the time. Nice! Let me know what you find on the forums (offlist I suppose, I've been dumping on this list all day...). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Wow, that gonna be great Daryl... one comment of your made me think > about something else actually... the idea of an online looping venue > is superb, so this is what you have... 2 areas one called The Stage > and One called ... um the mosh pit (maybe not... not much moshing at > looping gigs... ) Now The Stage is your NinJam server, jump in here to > contribute... THEN... you run an additional client maybe ON the server > (bandwidth permitting)... THEN you also run a shoutcast server (even > easier to setup than the NinJam server) this should point to the audio > out of the soundcard.. then you have a "listen only" access, for > people who just wanna listen to some live improv looping!!! > > neat huh... ? However, this functionality may be pretty easy to > implement in the client... sdk is available I think... gonna check the > ninjam forums and see if any work has been done with this... > --------------090309050602080308070804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a great idea. I was wondering how exactly to provide a stream and that seems like a deliciously simple way to do it, just leave the client on all the time. Nice! Let me know what you find on the forums (offlist I suppose, I've been dumping on this list all day...).

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
Wow, that gonna be great Daryl... one comment of your made me think about something else actually... the idea of an online looping venue is superb, so this is what you have... 2 areas one called The Stage and One called ... um the mosh pit (maybe not... not much moshing at looping gigs... ) Now The Stage is your NinJam server, jump in here to contribute... THEN... you run an additional client maybe ON the server (bandwidth permitting)... THEN you also run a shoutcast server (even easier to setup than the NinJam server) this should point to the audio out of the soundcard.. then you have a "listen only" access, for people who just wanna listen to some live improv looping!!!
 
neat huh... ? However, this functionality may be pretty easy to implement in the client... sdk is available I think... gonna check the ninjam forums and see if any work has been done with this...
 

--------------090309050602080308070804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 00:04:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4313BED5; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=f7FFZAtfLmroUngq+iEl4GowcJ9xcK5QBSGIF/Ta/sRawrhXBme2/ItG2wJcxqAMUuyC0vuqbcPpxxIVHbb2E/RHYb0qUh1Lv7wkrhckDEVBypWoYUadwKe2tIG2xSMaFLeP6/1xTYuHSBYISzXJ4pKJmrHLm2JsZont/i4WXko= ; Message-ID: <20061025000445.94960.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006501c6f777$c7746220$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:04:47 +0000 (UTC) You can say they "coincide" with each other, but they don't really sync. Kim once said something along the lines of "There's no degree of sync. Either you're synced or your drifting to some degree." That's great you can get them to go together for so long though. To be honest I've never even tried. I do know that if you're trying to tap in your loop points instead of doing the calculation like you do, it's going to be a lot harder to get them to go together for any decent length of time. Man, I'd love for my DD-20 to have MIDI sync, but I know they'll probably never release anything like that, and to be honest Augustus Loop AU does the trick (and a lot more) with no drift ever. Also the price of two DD-20s is approaching the price of a 2880, you know? --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Yo Mark! > I think we have a rich point of discussion to > mine here. Just after I > wrote that the DD-20 *could* run in "virtual sync" > with a drum machine, you __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 01:27:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D418B3BEDA; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a/pWB8W5ar7mXM4OYvYVQJUpjjIwAa3aFlPWprIa7GvErFyQA0GVZb0uYE6ed3sZHYWWgaBxw5rrao0WHTkwZ66+pIYGKs0KtwxV00n3is44BA/CQnoks/zRAJtglCsCY+u3C9EJcDI5lUymR5TSGXe9KpPc5un0J7kpn0tDkE8= ; Message-ID: <20061025012659.62421.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: further questions about midi sync. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061020190713.76872.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:27:01 +0000 (UTC) This is something i would like to do but havent really tried;change sync sources, because in my sampler i have patterns i have programmed myself and preproduced loops as well but since my sampler doesnt do time streching i have to use the EDP as a slave, but when using my patterns id like to use the EDP as the master.Both of this are fun, but changing sources live is a pain in the ass... Luis > As far as switching sync sources, I've always found > it > too problematic and I mostly just use my sequencer > as > clock source. If you want to start without the > sequence use a mixer to monitor your sequence in > headphones while you record and then bring in the > sequence track when ever you see fit. Either that > or > I'd start with a synth sound that had a rhythmic > element or guitar with a synced effect and that can > act like a metronome. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 01:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634053BED6; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020a01c6f7d5$f4bfe7f0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:36:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0207_01C6F7A3.A9095990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:36:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0207_01C6F7A3.A9095990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's the running list of downloadable Y2K6 MP3s, also available on the = website: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html There is much, much more = to come. This is a lot of really great looping music of all different flavors and = sorts... "Y2K6 EXPERIMENTAL LOOPING FESTIVAL" Thursday, October 19 JEFF KAISER and KRISPEN HARTUNG=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/tkmmuf3pdx.mp3 RICK WALKER / PER BOYSEN / RAINER STRASCHILL=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/vobvs80pi9.mp3 RICK WALKER / PER BOYSEN / RAINER STRASCHILL / MANDO MAN=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/pud8l925bk.mp3 RAINER STRASCHILL=20 http://www.eblah.de/audio/Lab_Animal.mp3=20 10th Anniversary Loopers Delight Celebration (and 5th anniversary of the = Y2K6 Loopfestival) Friday, October 20 RAINER STRASCHILL and KRISPEN HARTUNG=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/ej5rooygrj.mp3 (involves some intense = 80's like metal sheading and tortured duck-like manifestations) MIRO MANTERE=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/shbe7lq8m6.mp3 AMY X NEUBURG and RICK WALKER (excellent vocal improvisations) Part I http://www.box.net/public/static/agt1cfvs0h.mp3 Part II http://www.box.net/public/static/55ryt0sboq.mp3 Part III http://www.box.net/public/static/tvvr2se294.mp3 Part IV http://www.box.net/public/static/m5donlf3hb.mp3 JEFF KAISER and RICK WALKER Part I http://www.box.net/public/static/5g8cqt3g9o.mp3 Part II http://www.box.net/public/static/6ravb2vm8h.mp3 RYUSEI HATTORI Part 1 http://www.box.net/public/static/618oim0o5k.mp3 Part II http://www.box.net/public/static/haocno72sx.mp3 Part III http://www.box.net/public/static/8gvfr1zyuk.mp3 Part IV http://www.box.net/public/static/ooar10gztk.mp3 HIDEKI NAKANISHI (MANDO MAN) http://www.box.net/public/static/og093v6n4u.mp3 BILL WALKER and PER BOYSEN=20 http://www.box.net/public/static/lq5jc1hmpb.mp3 "Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival: Main Festival" - Saturday, = October 21 JEFF KAISER http://www.box.net/public/static/z850n5c2qb.mp3 KRISPEN HARTUNG / RICK WALKER Part I http://www.box.net/public/static/e2do3da2xj.mp3 (with Rick on the = jazz trap set) Part II http://www.box.net/public/static/d0vossdudn.mp3 (includes an = interactive improv segment with the crowd) Part III http://www.box.net/public/static/335zl4juov.mp3 (with Rick on = the jazz trap set) *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0207_01C6F7A3.A9095990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's the running list of downloadable = Y2K6 MP3s,=20 also available on the website: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com= /mp3.html =20 There is much, much more to come.
 
This is a lot of really great looping = music of all=20 different flavors and sorts...

"Y2K6=20 EXPERIMENTAL LOOPING FESTIVAL"
Thursday, October = 19

JEFF KAISER and KRISPEN HARTUNG =
http://www.box.net/public/static/tkmmuf3pdx.mp3
=

RICK WALKER / PER BOYSEN / RAINER = STRASCHILL=20
http://www.box.net/public/static/vobvs80pi9.mp3
=

RICK WALKER / PER BOYSEN / RAINER = STRASCHILL /=20 MANDO MAN
http://www.box.net/public/static/pud8l925bk.mp3
=

RAINER STRASCHILL
http://www.eblah.de/audio/Lab_Animal.mp3

10th Anniversary Loopers = Delight=20 Celebration (and 5th anniversary of the Y2K6 = Loopfestival)
Friday, October = 20

RAINER STRASCHILL and KRISPEN = HARTUNG=20
http://www.box.net/public/static/ej5rooygrj.mp3 (involves some intense 80's like metal = sheading and=20 tortured duck-like manifestations)

MIRO MANTERE
http://www.box.net/public/static/shbe7lq8m6.mp3
=

AMY X NEUBURG and RICK WALKER = (excellent vocal=20 improvisations)
Part I http://www.box.n= et/public/static/agt1cfvs0h.mp3
Part II http://www.box.n= et/public/static/55ryt0sboq.mp3
Part III http://www.box.n= et/public/static/tvvr2se294.mp3
Part IV http://www.box.net/public/static/m5donlf3hb.mp3
=

JEFF KAISER and RICK WALKER
Part = I http://www.box.n= et/public/static/5g8cqt3g9o.mp3
Part II http://www.box.net/public/static/6ravb2vm8h.mp3
=

RYUSEI HATTORI
Part 1 http://www.box.n= et/public/static/618oim0o5k.mp3
Part II http://www.box.n= et/public/static/haocno72sx.mp3
Part III http://www.box.n= et/public/static/8gvfr1zyuk.mp3
Part IV http://www.box.net/public/static/ooar10gztk.mp3
=

HIDEKI NAKANISHI (MANDO = MAN)
http://www.box.net/public/static/og093v6n4u.mp3
=

BILL WALKER and PER BOYSEN =
http://www.box.net/public/static/lq5jc1hmpb.mp3
=

"Y2K6 International Live = Looping=20 Festival: Main Festival" - Saturday, October 21

JEFF KAISER
http://www.box.net/public/static/z850n5c2qb.mp3

KRISPEN HARTUNG / RICK WALKER
Part I = http://www.box.n= et/public/static/e2do3da2xj.mp3 (with=20 Rick on the jazz trap set)
Part II http://www.box.n= et/public/static/d0vossdudn.mp3 (includes=20 an interactive improv segment with the crowd)
Part III http://www.box.n= et/public/static/335zl4juov.mp3 (with=20 Rick on the jazz trap set)




********************************************= ******************************
Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar:=20 http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@kri= spenhartung.com=20 / 1.208.724.5603
Discography -=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_0207_01C6F7A3.A9095990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 02:29:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F40DF3BEDD; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <453E5934.3030903@mhorse.com> References: <453D3591.4080002@mhorse.com> <004d01c6f76e$ec10b920$5a01a8c0@mark> <453E36ED.5090407@mhorse.com> <1161708897.453e4561636f7@webmail.musetrap.com> <453E5934.3030903@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:29:05 +0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Ninjam server Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, got your PM, so I'll take this offlist and get you a coherent reply when I'm a bit less jet-lagged (just got into Bangkok last night. eep!). Also, wanted to say a big thank you to CPR for putting up and maintaining the Kyberfest server (both for Y2k6, as well as beyond). The online collaborative stuff I've heard from Loopfest is spectacular, and I can't wait to start playing around with it myself. This should be fun! :) --m. At 1:19 PM -0500 10/24/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: >Awesome, cpr! Are you referring to the one that we actually used for >the performance? (207.44.142.117:2050) If you're opening this up to >all of us, I've got lots of questions, like any bandwidth limits, >possibilities for setting up a stream, chatroom, etc...we can talk >offlist perhaps. thanks very much for offering! > >I'm thinking more about Mark's multiple server idea... > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com > >>I plan to leave the ninjam server I installed for the y2k6 >>kyberfest running... >>it is running on a dedicated server, and available 24/7... I don't have the >>access info at my finger tips, but I will post it later.. :) >> >>peace >>-cpr >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 04:39:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 907913BED0; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More NINJams online Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <008201c6f7ef$82b6cba0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20061025013617.2E64D3BEEE@arsenic.violacea.com> thread-index: Acb31fqIGnReWoAHSGSoURwZcM7fgAAGL4nA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Here are two more http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/DianaMarkTony.mp3 With Diana (Pushing Air), Mark Francombe, and Tony K. http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/TonyMarkMatt.mp3 With Matt Davignon, Mark Francombe, Michael Klobuchar, and Tony K. I can generate WAV files if anybody wants them instead. Tony >Thanks, Michael. This is now on the Y2K6 website, on the >webcast-pictures-MP3 page. Kris -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 04:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA01B3BEDC; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025201c6f7f0$37bbbce0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <008201c6f7ef$82b6cba0$0200a8c0@daw1> Subject: Re: More NINJams online Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:44:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. It's on the site now. Wow, I have a lot of music to listen to! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: More NINJams online > > Here are two more > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/DianaMarkTony.mp3 > > With Diana (Pushing Air), Mark Francombe, and Tony K. > > http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/TonyMarkMatt.mp3 > > With Matt Davignon, Mark Francombe, Michael Klobuchar, and Tony K. > > I can generate WAV files if anybody wants them instead. > > Tony > >>Thanks, Michael. This is now on the Y2K6 website, on the >>webcast-pictures-MP3 page. > > Kris > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: > 10/24/2006 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 07:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700213BED5; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: m3u files for streaming Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:12:47 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c6f804$f9fe0650$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <453E6C99.1060505@mhorse.com> Thread-Index: Acb3/HqBGPZf+CyDSDq0imRCZum65gACAoMg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:12:53 +0000 (UTC) > I was wondering how exactly to provide a stream and that seems like a deliciously simple way to do it for on-demand streaming, you can use the m3u file format. See http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html for an explanation. It is very simple indeed! So for everyone who puts up longer mp3 files of their music: it makes life much easier for the listeners if you also put up a corresponding m3u file! -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 10:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8AA3BED6; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Y2K6 my own MP3s update Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:37:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6f821$a01137d0$4200a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acb4IZOc2vEuvmYLSf6GYZVBQQ2JFA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Ok, here's another one: >From the main festival (10-21, 19:30 at Alchemy), here's my second tune in roughmix quality: www.eblah.de/audio/The_Streets.mp3 Also, the photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/moinsound/) have been updated. Have fun! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 11:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548DE3BEDB; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <453F33F9.4060005@hotmail.it> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:52:57 +0200 From: weaviestonder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear References: <20061023220714.24137.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061023220714.24137.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:37:02 +0000 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Mark! This is very helpful. Now I am considering buying a PC laptop, just like you (and so many people ou there) I haven't got 2000+ euro for a MacBook Pro, I may actually get a powerful 2MHz, 2GB RAM, 120 GB HD PC and decide to trust XP Pro...Yet, expect to be further bothered about tweaks and tricks :)

I am going to try out both an RC 20 XL and DD-20 which I have seen at a reasonable price. The rest is sort of out of reach for my present budget :(
I'll let you guys know how things work out. Thanks everyone for helping me with this, I hope one day I will have some more knowledge to share with the wise community and just not get info out of you guys, but also help someone out myself too.

Best

Lorenzo
mark sottilaro ha scritto: 
--- weaviestonder <weaviestonder@hotmail.it> wrote:

  
A couple of more question for Mark:

1. how much RAM would you say a laptop would need to
function as a 
looper? Can you give me a frame of reference?
    

I think they say on the Mobius site that 1 gig of
memory is a good amount to have (and many laptops come
with at least 1 gig these days), but my laptop came
with 2 slots and if you get it custom configured one
of those slots was filled with a 1 gig chip.  A second
1 gig chip for $150 brought me to 2 gigs.  I got this
to be more safe and run sampler software.  When I had
1 gig of RAM I was able to get Live and a bunch of
instruments and effects running perfectly.  I've
always figured it's best to bring your machine up to
the highest specs you can afford though.  Makes them
last longer.

  
2. is software for Mac less functional than that on
PC?
    

Not by nature, but in this case Mobius is XP only. 
Can XP apps, including Mobius run on a new Mac?  Yes. 
If I had unlimited cash and wasn't impatient, I'd have
waited and gotten a Macbook Pro.  However, I had a
budget and I was able to get exactly what I wanted
with a Toshiba laptop.  Is Windows XP a bizarre,
clunky, annoying, pestery security nightmare?  Yes. 
However, once you reconfigure it and keep it off the
web it works just as well.  (but man is it ugly
compared to the Mac OS!) If you go XP, plan on giving
yourself a week of tweaking time to get it running for
music.  My Mac G5 was good to go out of the box.

I was planning 
  
to get a Mac, since I have heard from many people
that they are more 
reliable than computers (no crashes, etc), which is
a big deal when you 
are performing live obviously. 
    

Again, as long as you learn how to take care of a
Windows box, they're pretty damn stable.  The one time
Live 5 crashed on me Mobius kept going and responding
to MIDI messages.  In a performance situation this
would have given me plenty of time to fade my loops,
starting a new one using my Vox Tonelab so I could do
a reboot and continue seamlessly.  Also, I was doing
something fairly stupid when it crashed, like adding
VSTis while a sequence was running.  Not something I'd
do in a performance.

Also, they told me
  
most PCs have longer 
delay in handling MIDI signal (sorry this
explanation is poor but my 
English is insufficient here).
    

Again, I don't think MIDI latency is much of an issue
in any new machine with a USB interface.

  
3. If I chose to get a Mac, would the hardware
requirements be 
different? I mean, would I need more or less RAM or
more or less CPU to 
do the same thing?
    

I know when Mac was using the G5 chip there was not a
direct way to compare clock speed.  Often a PC needed
as much as twice the clock to run the same app
according to Reaktor 5's box.  I know a lot of how an
app runs on any OS depends on how it's optimized.  I
find a lot of apps that are Mac only work really well
(Like Digital Performer) but others like Live run
better because to cut corners they're not fully
optimized for the Mac OS.  I think this got corrected
in Live 5 though, but I only run that on the laptop.

  
Thank you all very much again, it's great to get to
talk to people who 
have experience in this field and are willing to
share it and so patient 
in talking to a newbie! :)
    

You're on what I consider by far to be the best music
list.  Enjoy!  I don't know why, but loopers seem to
be the most knowledgeable and helpful people on this
planet.  Good luck, you're about to learn a very fun
way to make music.

Mark

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:07:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D88F3BED8; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061025140738.0fha77m5us0oogkw@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:07:38 -0400 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: question: EQ unit with built-in delay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-BF-Report: MAIL4:(-1.6 points) BAYES_00=-2.599,NO_REAL_NAME=0.961 autolearn=no dcc=shippo.bluefrog.com 1233; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1(INFN-TO) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:07:40 +0000 (UTC) hi there, sorry if this is borderline off-topic but i have a friend who plays electronic percussion in a band with a looping guitarist. the guitarist sometimes loops parts of what the drummer is playing. he (drummer) also wants to put a delay on his sound using an EQ unit. he's looking for a unit that has stereo inputs and stereo outputs, each side having an EQ, with a built in delay, without f'ing up the stereo panning. any suggestions? thanks in advance, paula ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail System http://www.bluefrog.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 18:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0861D3BEE7; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5I4bMyxpHnkZitMggg1g3CVXMZXcFOy70A== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:25:42 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: Thanks to Rick Walker for organizing Y2K6 Intl Live Looping Fe stival X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J3048.6e78S.0201M" Message-Id: <20061025.112600.945.56756@webmail57.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2796359454 X-MAIL-INFO:2bfd2dc9d02499d0313124b41d35d5701084e02920e464d170e5a92de4506141a970fd19998db0d0f151fd74a45140 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.197|webmail57.nyc.untd.com|webmail57.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J3048.6e78S.0201M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Hi all, I sure wish I could have made it this year, maybe next. I 've listen= ed to some of the jams and they are as wonderful as they are diverse. I= look forward to listening to more when time permits. You guys do a gre= at job! and hats off to Rick for putting this together and sacrificing m= uch! = Weg = Here! Here! An event like this consumes ones life, and I don't think we can thank Ri= ck enough for making the sacrifice... This year, due to scheduling issues, Rick even gave up his performance s= pot!! Much honour to Rick and his dedication to looping.. and music.. :) Thank you brother! :) -cpr Quoting Bob Amstadt : > I can't thank Rick enough for all the work that he did putting togethe= r the > Y2K6 festival. I had a blast this weekend. I heard some of the most > wonderful music this weekend. What is even better is that it was all > different. This festival went a long way to demonstrating that there = are > many different ways that looping can be used in music. > = > As for myself, I want to thank Rick for talking me into performing at = the > festival. My daughter joined me for my 30 minute set. We brought out= my > "private" music that I normally only perform at home. It felt really = good = to > be performing my music for a change. > = > So, a big thank you to Rick and everybody else that helped put this am= azing > gathering together. > = > -Bob Amstadt ----__JWM__J3048.6e78S.0201M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Hi all,

   I sure wish I could have made it this year, maybe next.&= nbsp; I 've listened to some of the jams and they are as wonderful as th= ey are diverse.  I look forward to listening to more when time perm= its.  You guys do a great job! and hats off to Rick for putting thi= s together and sacrificing much!

 

Weg

 

Here! Here!

An event like this consumes ones life, and I don't= think we can thank Rick
enough for making the sacrifice...

Th= is year, due to scheduling issues, Rick even gave up his performance spo= t!!

Much honour to Rick and his dedication to looping.. and music= .. :)

Thank you brother! :)

-cpr

Quoting Bob Amstad= t <bob@looperlative.com>:

> I can't = thank Rick enough for all the work that he did putting together the
&= gt; Y2K6 festival.  I had a blast this weekend.  I heard some = of the most
> wonderful music this weekend.  What is even bet= ter is that it was all
> different.  This festival went a lon= g way to demonstrating that there are
> many different ways that l= ooping can be used in music.
>
> As for myself, I want to t= hank Rick for talking me into performing at the
> festival.  = My daughter joined me for my 30 minute set.  We brought out my
&= gt; "private" music that I normally only perform at home.  It felt = really good
to
> be performing my music for a change.
> =
> So, a big thank you to Rick and everybody else that helped put = this amazing
> gathering together.
>
> -Bob Amstadt


----__JWM__J3048.6e78S.0201M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 21:08:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D833BEDD; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <20061025.112600.945.56756@webmail57.nyc.untd.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: y2k6 thanks for having me! Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:07:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20061025.112600.945.56756@webmail57.nyc.untd.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20836 Message-Id: <8C8C690BD4DB389-ACC-1BD3@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.20 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:08:01 +0000 (UTC) to have finally heard the TRUE VOICE OF THE STANOSAURUS, most excellent!.....and xtra thanks to scott hansen for sending cds of his music in leau of being there.....LOVE YA ALL!.....:)m p.s. sorry i could not say goodbye to all my compound mates ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 21:18:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FFF23BEEE; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3XfLYo5nss5TZrXVBEBC+uClZx5M3U7PNNamFXMIGL2yoUAu/SGO6V/etp+WHkN/3Ttj1ZyJEHPPcx5BBM3l9VX9MGl1hVCgroIJNHOSooAkbA28bub3gGrdfV6hmX4iO68mJ/4BC+zwZCKecg4GvSHd0oVBM2ixFUwh8ovIEYo= ; Message-ID: <20061025211835.19251.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <453F33F9.4060005@hotmail.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:18:37 +0000 (UTC) I've heard great music being made with both of those devices, so you can't go too wrong. Good luck. I know I blather on and on about high end hardware and softwre loopers, but I still get great fun out of the 8 sec looper that comes with my Vox Tonelab SE and my DD-20. Mark --- weaviestonder wrote: --------------------------------- Thanks a lot Mark! This is very helpful. Now I am considering buying aPC laptop, just like you (and so many people ou there) I haven't got2000+ euro for a MacBook Pro, I may actually get a powerful 2MHz, 2GBRAM, 120 GB HD PC and decide to trust XP Pro...Yet, expect to befurther bothered about tweaks and tricks :) I am going to try out both an RC 20 XL and DD-20 which I have seen at areasonable price. The rest is sort of out of reach for my present budget:( I'll let you guys know how things work out. Thanks everyone for helpingme with this, I hope one day I will have some more knowledge to sharewith the wise community and just not get info out of you guys, but alsohelp someone out myself too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anonymous@webs10.brains.net Wed Oct 25 23:41:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1530 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:41:12 UTC Received: from webs10.brains.net (webs10.brains.net [203.128.7.13]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23183BECC for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13212 invoked by uid 48); 25 Oct 2006 23:29:46 -0000 Date: 25 Oct 2006 23:29:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20061025232946.13211.qmail@webs10.brains.net> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: URGENT: REPLY IN GOOD FAITH. From: Cheung Pui Reply-To: cheungpui6067@aim.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Friend, Let me start by introducing myself. I am Mr. Cheung Pui director of operations of the Hang Seng Bank Ltd,Sai Wan Ho Branch.I have a obscured business suggestion for you. Before the U.S and Iraqi war our client Major Fadi Basem who was with the Iraqi forces and also business man made a numbered fixed deposit for 18 calendar onths, with a value of Twenty Four millions Five Hundred Thousand United State Dollars only in my branch. Upon maturity several notice was sent to him, even during the war early last year. Again after the war another notification was sent and still no response came from him. We later find out that the Major and his family had been killed during the war in bomb blast that hit their home. After further investigation it was also discovered that Major Fadi Basem did not declare any next of kin in his official papers including the paper work of his bank deposit. And he also confided in me the last time he was at my office that no one except me knew of his deposit in my bank. So, Twenty Four millions Five Hundred Thousand United State Dollars is still lying in my bank and no one will ever come forward to claim it. What bothers me most is that according to the to the laws of my country at the expiration 3 years the funds will revert to the ownership of the Hong Kong Government if nobody applies to claim the funds. Against this backdrop, my suggestion to you is that I will like you as a foreigner to stand as the next of kin to Major Fadi Basem so that you will be able to receive his funds. WHAT IS TO BE DONE: I want you to know that I have had everything planned out so that we shall come out successful. I have contacted an attorney that will prepare the necessary document that will back you up as the next of kin to Major Fadi Basem , all that is required from you at this stage is for you to provide me with your Full Names and Address so that the attorney can commence his job. After you have been made the next of kin, the attorney will also fill in for claims on your behalf and secure the necessary approval and letter of probate in your favor for the move of the funds to an account that will be provided by you. There is no risk involved at all in the matter as we are going adopt a legalized method and the attorney will prepare all the necessary documents. Please endeavor to observe utmost discretion in all matters concerning this issue.Once the funds have been transferred to your nominated bank account we shall share in the ratio of 70% for me, 30% for you . Should you be interested please send me your full names and current residential address and I will prefers you to reach me on the email address below (cheungpui6067@yahoo.com.hk) and finally after that i shall provide you with more details of this operation. Your earliest response to this letter will be appreciated. Respectfully Submitted Cheung Pui. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 25 23:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92D5C3BED8; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mwwkndVTA/LEdi03AkoBjIubONq1ntbU6e3BtmZWbY7kfUyV8QyHPSeN2h5NngfnQAGt+K1/vwPKXcRLXvxBbXbvRzQ2jQAJxSKxH8D+jxWVpd5b22g3D8V0ntCUm4AXmv0pi/ICRsCJJ2lNhVj+BTsNYkMcbYbwY58YA8OGAzk= ; Message-ID: <20061025235440.23291.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: question: EQ unit with built-in delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061025140738.0fha77m5us0oogkw@webmail.bluefrog.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:54:42 +0000 (UTC) There are many multi effects units that have EQ and delay, but they usually have a bunch more too. My favorite is the Boss VF-1 that can be had via ebay for about $200. The cool thing is that if your friend's looper puts out a midi clock like the EDP does, you'll be able to auto-sync your delay to the midi clock. There really are tons of these devices though, so they should probably think about what they'd like to spend and what other features they might want. --- mizfeldman@bluefrog.com wrote: > hi there, > > sorry if this is borderline off-topic but i have a > friend who plays > electronic percussion in a band with a looping > guitarist. the guitarist > sometimes loops parts of what the drummer is > playing. he (drummer) also > wants to put a delay on his sound using an EQ unit. > > he's looking for a unit that has stereo inputs and > stereo outputs, each > side having an EQ, with a built in delay, without > f'ing up the stereo > panning. > > any suggestions? > > thanks in advance, > > paula > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail > System > http://www.bluefrog.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From anonymous@webs10.brains.net Thu Oct 26 00:10:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from webs10.brains.net (webs10.brains.net [203.128.7.13]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002D53BEB5 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26764 invoked by uid 48); 25 Oct 2006 23:09:41 -0000 Date: 25 Oct 2006 23:09:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20061025230941.26763.qmail@webs10.brains.net> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: URGENT: REPLY IN GOOD FAITH. From: Cheung Pui Reply-To: cheungpui6067@aim.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Friend, Let me start by introducing myself. I am Mr. Cheung Pui director of operations of the Hang Seng Bank Ltd,Sai Wan Ho Branch.I have a obscured business suggestion for you. Before the U.S and Iraqi war our client Major Fadi Basem who was with the Iraqi forces and also business man made a numbered fixed deposit for 18 calendar onths, with a value of Twenty Four millions Five Hundred Thousand United State Dollars only in my branch. Upon maturity several notice was sent to him, even during the war early last year. Again after the war another notification was sent and still no response came from him. We later find out that the Major and his family had been killed during the war in bomb blast that hit their home. After further investigation it was also discovered that Major Fadi Basem did not declare any next of kin in his official papers including the paper work of his bank deposit. And he also confided in me the last time he was at my office that no one except me knew of his deposit in my bank. So, Twenty Four millions Five Hundred Thousand United State Dollars is still lying in my bank and no one will ever come forward to claim it. What bothers me most is that according to the to the laws of my country at the expiration 3 years the funds will revert to the ownership of the Hong Kong Government if nobody applies to claim the funds. Against this backdrop, my suggestion to you is that I will like you as a foreigner to stand as the next of kin to Major Fadi Basem so that you will be able to receive his funds. WHAT IS TO BE DONE: I want you to know that I have had everything planned out so that we shall come out successful. I have contacted an attorney that will prepare the necessary document that will back you up as the next of kin to Major Fadi Basem , all that is required from you at this stage is for you to provide me with your Full Names and Address so that the attorney can commence his job. After you have been made the next of kin, the attorney will also fill in for claims on your behalf and secure the necessary approval and letter of probate in your favor for the move of the funds to an account that will be provided by you. There is no risk involved at all in the matter as we are going adopt a legalized method and the attorney will prepare all the necessary documents. Please endeavor to observe utmost discretion in all matters concerning this issue.Once the funds have been transferred to your nominated bank account we shall share in the ratio of 70% for me, 30% for you . Should you be interested please send me your full names and current residential address and I will prefers you to reach me on the email address below (cheungpui6067@yahoo.com.hk) and finally after that i shall provide you with more details of this operation. Your earliest response to this letter will be appreciated. Respectfully Submitted Cheung Pui. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 01:17:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 226BC3BED5; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:19:54 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002401c6f89c$eb2cb480$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061025211835.19251.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark- You got me thinking about checking out the EH 2880 now! I see no reviews of it on the LD Tools of the Trade page. I'm guessing by a quick look at the owner's manual that it's a nice looper, sans feedback. Reminds me of my Bob Sellon-modded Lexicon PCM-42, except it's like four of them, and sans feedback... Gonna hafta check the archives for posts on this baby... dB Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear > I've heard great music being made with both of those > devices, so you can't go too wrong. Good luck. I > know I blather on and on about high end hardware and > softwre loopers, but I still get great fun out of the > 8 sec looper that comes with my Vox Tonelab SE and my > DD-20. > > Mark > > --- weaviestonder wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > > Thanks a lot Mark! This is very helpful. Now I am > considering buying aPC laptop, just like you (and so > many people ou there) I haven't got2000+ euro for a > MacBook Pro, I may actually get a powerful 2MHz, > 2GBRAM, 120 GB HD PC and decide to trust XP Pro...Yet, > expect to befurther bothered about tweaks and tricks > :) > > I am going to try out both an RC 20 XL and DD-20 which > I have seen at areasonable price. The rest is sort of > out of reach for my present budget:( > I'll let you guys know how things work out. Thanks > everyone for helpingme with this, I hope one day I > will have some more knowledge to sharewith the wise > community and just not get info out of you guys, but > alsohelp someone out myself too. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 06:11:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 441DE3BED8; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20061025231257.03f61b68@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:13:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ninjam server In-Reply-To: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:11:07 +0000 (UTC) At 11:37 AM 10/23/2006, Daryl Shawn wrote: >So...what I'd like to see happen is to have a LD-exclusive Ninjam server, >open to any members and their acquaintances, and on which time could be >scheduled for sessions. If this is going to be a Looper's Delight Ninjam server, how about hosting it on the Looper's Delight server? The advantage is it will be as permanent as Looper's Delight, obviously connected to Looper's Delight, and receive much more attention from various loopers due to the large traffic at the site. So it won't be forgotten about 6 months from now... From the specs stated previously, it didn't seem like it would be that big of a deal for me to do this. (LD server is a 3.2GHz P4, 512MB ram, 120G disk, Debian Linux, 100-baseT connection into multiple OC-192 connections at the datacenter, tied directly to tier 1 backbones with 3ms latency, etc.) Maybe we would need to do a few trial runs to see how it goes. I would need somebody to take charge of setting it up and helping to deal with whatever maintenance is needed. >In addition to Ninjam itself, I'd like for there to be a public chatroom, >an archive, a live feed from the room, and an editable calendar (which Os >has already discussed on the Ninjam list). these seem like interesting ideas, I would just need somebody to commit to implementing them! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 07:12:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38B483BED9; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45405FF1.8000209@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:12:49 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20061025231257.03f61b68@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20061025231257.03f61b68@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020509000305020908000107" Resent-Message-ID: <7n-kbD.A.5bF.5_FQFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:12:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020509000305020908000107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim, that's a fantastic idea, thanks for offering it. Those are excellent advantages. I think the only hurdle at this point would be the setup/maintenance. Would it need to be someone local, or would it be possible to grant someone remote access to install software on the server? The chat software used for the Kyberfest worked well, and I gather from cpr it wasn't tough to set up. Os has created a Google calendar , which should work fine for now, though new events/edits will have to be done by he or myself for the moment. I'll create a page to handle archives and will work out a process for administering them, the challenge will be disk space (which perhaps could be distributed among some of the other servers that people have offered). Mark Francombe had a good plan for the live feed with a Shoutcast server, that too might be best handled by another machine. I'm committed to making this stuff happen, it will be a great personal benefit to me for my own playing (as well as getting fresh looping music!). And I loved to see all the interaction that happened around the Kyberfest. I'll get in touch offline about the next steps. thanks again. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > At 11:37 AM 10/23/2006, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> So...what I'd like to see happen is to have a LD-exclusive Ninjam >> server, open to any members and their acquaintances, and on which >> time could be scheduled for sessions. > > If this is going to be a Looper's Delight Ninjam server, how about > hosting it on the Looper's Delight server? > > The advantage is it will be as permanent as Looper's Delight, > obviously connected to Looper's Delight, and receive much more > attention from various loopers due to the large traffic at the site. > So it won't be forgotten about 6 months from now... > > From the specs stated previously, it didn't seem like it would be that > big of a deal for me to do this. (LD server is a 3.2GHz P4, 512MB ram, > 120G disk, Debian Linux, 100-baseT connection into multiple OC-192 > connections at the datacenter, tied directly to tier 1 backbones with > 3ms latency, etc.) Maybe we would need to do a few trial runs to see > how it goes. I would need somebody to take charge of setting it up and > helping to deal with whatever maintenance is needed. > > >> In addition to Ninjam itself, I'd like for there to be a public >> chatroom, an archive, a live feed from the room, and an editable >> calendar (which Os has already discussed on the Ninjam list). > > these seem like interesting ideas, I would just need somebody to > commit to implementing them! > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > --------------020509000305020908000107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim, that's a fantastic idea, thanks for offering it. Those are excellent advantages. I think the only hurdle at this point would be the setup/maintenance. Would it need to be someone local, or would it be possible to grant someone remote access to install software on the server?

The chat software used for the Kyberfest worked well, and I gather from cpr it wasn't tough to set up. Os has created a Google calendar, which should work fine for now, though new events/edits will have to be done by he or myself for the moment. I'll create a page to handle archives and will work out a process for administering them, the challenge will be disk space (which perhaps could be distributed among some of the other servers that people have offered). Mark Francombe had a good plan for the live feed with a Shoutcast server, that too might be best handled by another machine.

I'm committed to making this stuff happen, it will be a great personal benefit to me for my own playing (as well as getting fresh looping music!). And I loved to see all the interaction that happened around the Kyberfest.

I'll get in touch offline about the next steps. thanks again.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com



At 11:37 AM 10/23/2006, Daryl Shawn wrote:
So...what I'd like to see happen is to have a LD-exclusive Ninjam server, open to any members and their acquaintances, and on which time could be scheduled for sessions.

If this is going to be a Looper's Delight Ninjam server, how about hosting it on the Looper's Delight server?

The advantage is it will be as permanent as Looper's Delight, obviously connected to Looper's Delight, and receive much more attention from various loopers due to the large traffic at the site. So it won't be forgotten about 6 months from now...

>From the specs stated previously, it didn't seem like it would be that big of a deal for me to do this. (LD server is a 3.2GHz P4, 512MB ram, 120G disk, Debian Linux, 100-baseT connection into multiple OC-192 connections at the datacenter, tied directly to tier 1 backbones with 3ms latency, etc.) Maybe we would need to do a few trial runs to see how it goes. I would need somebody to take charge of setting it up and helping to deal with whatever maintenance is needed.


In addition to Ninjam itself, I'd like for there to be a public chatroom, an archive, a live feed from the room, and an editable calendar (which Os has already discussed on the Ninjam list).

these seem like interesting ideas, I would just need somebody to commit to implementing them!

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
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--------------020509000305020908000107-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 10:21:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5E63BED2; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:18:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <45408B66.1040102@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:21:15 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Dutch musician Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Sense" on AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "White Noise 2" by David Vorhaus on Virgin Records and released in 1975. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and on the internet. All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 11:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32F523BEEA; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <454095BA.5000208@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:02:18 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update References: <020a01c6f7d5$f4bfe7f0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <020a01c6f7d5$f4bfe7f0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here's the running list of downloadable Y2K6 MP3s, also available on the > website: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html There is much, much more > to come. > > JEFF KAISER and KRISPEN HARTUNG > http://www.box.net/public/static/tkmmuf3pdx.mp3 Great work, I really enjoy listening to them. One big enhancement though would be possible: Less cryptic file names, the above could be (for example) 19-10_Jeff'n'Krisp'n.mp3 mentioning the date and the musicians, maybe the set number could be included as well. And if the mp3 tags would be set, would be helpfull as well... ;-) I don't know about the Ninjam sessions, but as far as I know, the originals are stored as ogg files. If they stay within their original format, they should preserve the best quality... There are plug-ins for iTunes and lots of players for windows to play ogg files. Its claimed that ogg files have much better quality on low rates than anything else... (I consider 128 kB a low rate ;-) I'd like to add a Ninjam session with Jeff, which has not been done yet, due to the difficulties of setting it up in Santa Cruz, something like "if it had worked, it could have been something like that..." I hope we can set up a session soon, or as he told me, in November when he is in Boise... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 15:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 924E03BEDC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049701c6f914$1cadeb60$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <020a01c6f7d5$f4bfe7f0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <454095BA.5000208@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:33:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <1RMqdC.A.puC.WVNQFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately, I cannot change the URLs of the MP3s that Box.net provides. However, if you download them, you will see the artist and day of the recording. If you right click the MP3 links and download, you'll see the real MP3 file name. I could probably tag them too, but I am trying to master over 24 hours of looping music, and it takes A LOT of time. Once all the files are done, I will try to go back and tag the MP3s, and re-load them. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:02 AM Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Here's the running list of downloadable Y2K6 MP3s, also available on the >> website: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html There is much, much more >> to come. >> JEFF KAISER and KRISPEN HARTUNG >> http://www.box.net/public/static/tkmmuf3pdx.mp3 > > Great work, I really enjoy listening to them. > One big enhancement though would be possible: > Less cryptic file names, the above could be (for example) > 19-10_Jeff'n'Krisp'n.mp3 mentioning the date and the musicians, maybe the > set number could be included as well. > And if the mp3 tags would be set, would be helpfull as well... ;-) > > I don't know about the Ninjam sessions, but as far as I know, the > originals are stored as ogg files. If they stay within their original > format, they should preserve the best quality... > There are plug-ins for iTunes and lots of players for windows to play ogg > files. > Its claimed that ogg files have much better quality on low rates than > anything else... (I consider 128 kB a low rate ;-) > > I'd like to add a Ninjam session with Jeff, which has not been done yet, > due to the difficulties of setting it up in Santa Cruz, something like "if > it had worked, it could have been something like that..." I hope we can > set up a session soon, or as he told me, in November when he is in > Boise... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 16:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1D73BEE0; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1161877440.4540d7c064493@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:44:00 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Daryl Shawn Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <453D0BCF.9010703@mhorse.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20061025231257.03f61b68@loopers-delight.com> <45405FF1.8000209@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <45405FF1.8000209@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 67.170.224.98 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Most excellent.. :) I'm available to help get it setup.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Daryl Shawn : > Kim, that's a fantastic idea, thanks for offering it. Those are > excellent advantages. I think the only hurdle at this point would be the > setup/maintenance. Would it need to be someone local, or would it be > possible to grant someone remote access to install software on the server? > > The chat software used for the Kyberfest worked well, and I gather from > cpr it wasn't tough to set up. Os has created a Google calendar > , > > which should work fine for now, though new events/edits will have to be > done by he or myself for the moment. I'll create a page to handle > archives and will work out a process for administering them, the > challenge will be disk space (which perhaps could be distributed among > some of the other servers that people have offered). Mark Francombe had > a good plan for the live feed with a Shoutcast server, that too might be > best handled by another machine. > > I'm committed to making this stuff happen, it will be a great personal > benefit to me for my own playing (as well as getting fresh looping > music!). And I loved to see all the interaction that happened around the > Kyberfest. > > I'll get in touch offline about the next steps. thanks again. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > > > > At 11:37 AM 10/23/2006, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> So...what I'd like to see happen is to have a LD-exclusive Ninjam > >> server, open to any members and their acquaintances, and on which > >> time could be scheduled for sessions. > > > > If this is going to be a Looper's Delight Ninjam server, how about > > hosting it on the Looper's Delight server? > > > > The advantage is it will be as permanent as Looper's Delight, > > obviously connected to Looper's Delight, and receive much more > > attention from various loopers due to the large traffic at the site. > > So it won't be forgotten about 6 months from now... > > > > From the specs stated previously, it didn't seem like it would be that > > big of a deal for me to do this. (LD server is a 3.2GHz P4, 512MB ram, > > 120G disk, Debian Linux, 100-baseT connection into multiple OC-192 > > connections at the datacenter, tied directly to tier 1 backbones with > > 3ms latency, etc.) Maybe we would need to do a few trial runs to see > > how it goes. I would need somebody to take charge of setting it up and > > helping to deal with whatever maintenance is needed. > > > > > >> In addition to Ninjam itself, I'd like for there to be a public > >> chatroom, an archive, a live feed from the room, and an editable > >> calendar (which Os has already discussed on the Ninjam list). > > > > these seem like interesting ideas, I would just need somebody to > > commit to implementing them! > > > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 16:50:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA73E3BEF5; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0J19VRa+QdYiKJQuxjSQx4MoBloBFar0UJ/MZX1VPBf0hvhgeCKRkEJCKRG/qqSY1J3sJZrgsWKhn8L2vI9u45tYy6h/LEa3nwZ7kvmDDEtf7ilRT14bZY+x7zCVpxGYQffAOvu2+NxtQvD5FXwLRlDVsRL86ReIM7W6WI3jtIg= ; Message-ID: <20061026165053.98223.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c6f89c$eb2cb480$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:50:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm not 100% sure, but if my memory of the manual is correct, you can adjust feedback. The EH-16 sure had that. I can't believe they took it off... did they? --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Hey Mark- > You got me thinking about checking out the EH > 2880 now! I see no reviews > of it on the LD Tools of the Trade page. I'm > guessing by a quick look at the > owner's manual that it's a nice looper, sans > feedback. Reminds me of my Bob > Sellon-modded Lexicon PCM-42, except it's like four > of them, and sans > feedback... Gonna hafta check the archives for posts > on this baby... > dB > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Life! Life! > Clouds and clowns! > You don't have to come down!" > - Sly and the Family Stone > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: Suggestion about looping gear > > > > I've heard great music being made with both of > those > > devices, so you can't go too wrong. Good luck. I > > know I blather on and on about high end hardware > and > > softwre loopers, but I still get great fun out of > the > > 8 sec looper that comes with my Vox Tonelab SE and > my > > DD-20. > > > > Mark > > > > --- weaviestonder > wrote: > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Thanks a lot Mark! This is very helpful. Now I am > > considering buying aPC laptop, just like you (and > so > > many people ou there) I haven't got2000+ euro for > a > > MacBook Pro, I may actually get a powerful 2MHz, > > 2GBRAM, 120 GB HD PC and decide to trust XP > Pro...Yet, > > expect to befurther bothered about tweaks and > tricks > > :) > > > > I am going to try out both an RC 20 XL and DD-20 > which > > I have seen at areasonable price. The rest is sort > of > > out of reach for my present budget:( > > I'll let you guys know how things work out. Thanks > > everyone for helpingme with this, I hope one day I > > will have some more knowledge to sharewith the > wise > > community and just not get info out of you guys, > but > > alsohelp someone out myself too. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 17:29:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05BFA3BEE6; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <050901c6f924$3b242040$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <020a01c6f7d5$f4bfe7f0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Y2K6 MP3s Update #2 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0506_01C6F8F1.EFB23C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:29:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0506_01C6F8F1.EFB23C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: = http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html "Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival: Main Festival" - Saturday, = October 21 Per Boysen Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/3mgkyec1j9.mp3 Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/bfnvp369s6.mp3 Zoe Keating Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/sfq8x8u5uo.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/27z61lcvp0.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/3ctcsmapae.mp3 Matt Davignon http://www.box.net/public/static/p8gu2fg5fo.mp3 Rainer Straschill http://www.box.net/public/static/4tx2619uy9.mp3 Per Boysen Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/3mgkyec1j9.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/bfnvp369s6.mp3 RYUSEI HATTORI=20 Part I - http://www.box.net/public/static/6yu2g1vq27.mp3 Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/c58l0h2fge.mp3 Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/3ynnhhz35v.mp3 Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/08p4dugcd5.mp3 Part V - http://www.box.net/public/static/3uxm8mjps4.mp3 *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational & Jazz Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0506_01C6F8F1.EFB23C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Per Boysen
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RYUSEI HATTORI
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Part II - http://www.box.net/public/static/c58l0h2fge.mp3
Part III - http://www.box.net/public/static/3ynnhhz35v.mp3
Part IV - http://www.box.net/public/static/08p4dugcd5.mp3
Part V - http://www.box.net/public/static/3uxm8mjps4.mp3






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------=_NextPart_000_0506_01C6F8F1.EFB23C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 17:44:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E0003BF04; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4540F3F7.5020202@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:44:23 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 MP3s Update #2 References: <020a01c6f7d5$f4bfe7f0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <050901c6f924$3b242040$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <050901c6f924$3b242040$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010108040208010000060906" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010108040208010000060906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your work on this, Krispen. I was able to listen to live streams on Saturday afternoon and evening, and Sunday night, and since then I've been methodically downloading every single damn file. Everything - every single piece! - so far has just been amazing. As a sucker for vocal improv, I especially loved the Amy X/Rick Walker duo and the Pushing Air/Tony K/Mark Francombe Ninjam session. That was a weekend of /incredible /music. thanks to everyone for your contributions, and especially Rick for the vision and organization. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: > http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html --------------010108040208010000060906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your work on this, Krispen. I was able to listen to live streams on Saturday afternoon and evening, and Sunday night, and since then I've been methodically downloading every single damn file. Everything - every single piece! - so far has just been amazing. As a sucker for vocal improv, I especially loved the Amy X/Rick Walker duo and the Pushing Air/Tony K/Mark Francombe Ninjam session.

That was a weekend of incredible music. thanks to everyone for your contributions, and especially Rick for the vision and organization.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
Here are the newest additions to the Y2K6 MP3 page: http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/mp3.html

--------------010108040208010000060906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 17:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D06D3BF0D; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <051401c6f926$b3608b00$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000101c6f90c$2ca62e90$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Summary and Recordings, Part II Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:46:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0511_01C6F8F4.67D79C50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <6s3ipB.A.gjH.FSPQFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:46:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0511_01C6F8F4.67D79C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > So Tim really gets this festival's "best groupie prize" (together with = Krispen of course). Surely you jest, Rainer. :) Or I must have been too self-aborbed when = all those girls were hounding me and dying to hear more atonal, = avant-garde music and noise! =20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0511_01C6F8F4.67D79C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> = So Tim really=20 gets this festival's "best groupie prize" (together with Krispen of=20 course).
 
Surely you=20 jest, Rainer. :) Or I must have been too self-aborbed when all those = girls were=20 hounding me and dying to hear more atonal, avant-garde music and = noise! =20
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0511_01C6F8F4.67D79C50-- From marycooper0016@free.fr Thu Oct 26 17:56:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1633 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:56:57 UTC Received: from postfix1-g20.free.fr (postfix1-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.42]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324003BEF3 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr (smtp3-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.29]) by postfix1-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1942FA8AB for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from imp5-g19.free.fr (imp5-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.5]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B03E4A1F3; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by imp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id 669A61AE71; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 193.220.178.42 ([193.220.178.42]) by imp5-g19.free.fr (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:30 +0200 Message-ID: <1161883770.4540f07abc5f0@imp5-g19.free.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:29:30 +0200 From: MARY Reply-To: coopmary@zipmail.com.br Subject: MARY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 193.220.178.42 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; FROM THE DESK OF: MRS MARYCOOPER AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK. 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I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr Andreas Schranner did not declare any kin or relations in all his official documents,including his Bank Deposit paperwork in my Bank. This sum of US$35,000,000.00 is still sitting in my Bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will ever come forward to claim it. According to Laws of Benin, at the expiration of 7 (SEVEN) years, the money will be declared frozen and forfeited to the Benin Government if nobody applies to claim the fund. Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a foreigner to stand in as the next of kin or business partner to Mr Andreas Schranner so that the fruits of this old man's labor will not get into the hands of some corrupt government officials. This is simple, I will like you to provide immediately your full names and address,phone and fax numbers so that the attorney will prepare the necessary documents and affidavits that will put you in place as the next of kin or business partner. I have two of my colleagues who are top officials of the bank involved in this transaction. Your role in the transaction is to send an application for claim of the funds to our bank. Then, as top officials of the bank, we shall work behind-the-scene to make sure that your application is approved by the management of the bank,and the funds transfered to your nominated bank account.Please note that there is no iota of risks at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will be done legitimately and with our positions as top officials of the bank would ensure a successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please reply immediately to my email box. Please send me your confidential telephone and fax numbers for easy communication. You should observe utmost CONFIDENTIALITY AND SECRECY in this transaction, and rest assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I will require your assistance to invest my share in your country. I look forward to your prompt response. Thanks and regards. MRS MARYCOOPER Direct Line: 00229 97 72 18 13 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 18:19:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7634B3BEF7; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <007a01c6f92b$40a82870$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061025231257.03f61b68@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Ninjam server Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:19:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:19:54 +0000 (UTC) >Maybe we would need to do a few trial runs to see how it goes. I > would need somebody to take charge of setting it up and helping to deal > with whatever maintenance is needed. > these seem like interesting ideas, I would just need somebody to commit to > implementing them! > > kim Im more than happy to set it up for a trial run.. just need a temp account on that machine and the IP I could do it all remotely... I think a few of us have set one up and cpr sound like a bit of an expert so... i think mantanance wont be a prob... anyway its all easy.. The live feed has been covered... either we run a shoutcast, or ninjam itself has a big dev team working on this very issue.. maybe better to wait with that one... Whats the Calendar for??? The beauty of the JamFarm idea is that you NEVER know whos gonna be there... (the bad thing about the Jam Farm is that they are all twats) Im really exiting about this, and so we all should when you realise that (altho I only get VERY glitchy operation of it at the moment) the wasabi version of the NinJam Client HAS MIDI SYNC GODDAMIT!!! you realise what this means of course??? Multiple loopers synched across the world... im sure it will work soon... What fun!! Lets all kneel down and give thanks with me... Thank you Oh Great Rabbit of the Sky, Conceiver of the Internet and the Echoplex Digital Pro, THANK YOU... for letting me live in this very exiting and slightly frightening time... m mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com PS: I did a Eno /Fripp the other day using NinJam as the looper.. just fed the out from my computer back into the mixer..ha ha ha.. didnt take long before a had a terrible racket!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2545 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 18:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE083BEF6; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1161885008.4540f550ace65@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:50:08 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Summary and Recordings, Part II References: <000101c6f90c$2ca62e90$1001a8c0@succubus> <051401c6f926$b3608b00$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <051401c6f926$b3608b00$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:53:44 +0000 (UTC) You didn't notice all the panties thrown on the stage during your performance? ;-p peace -cpr Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > So Tim really gets this festival's "best groupie prize" (together with > Krispen of course). > > Surely you jest, Rainer. :) Or I must have been too self-aborbed when all > those girls were hounding me and dying to hear more atonal, avant-garde music > and noise! > > Kris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 19:08:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 285E53BF06; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:08:17 EDT Subject: Re: Ninjam server etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c81.4aed994.327261a1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:08:25 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c81.4aed994.327261a1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit along with the ninjam server possibly being on LD, is there a way to consolidate the photos of the events there also, both past and present fests?.....it would be kool to see how everyone but me has aged!.....LD is the place to record our history imho.....after all, it is our mothership.....what exciting times!.....i listened to the ninjam session that tony/mark/matt and i did, thank you fellows, what sounded to me like maddness at the metamusic store translated well in the relistening (3x), i'm sold, what a wonderful advancement in all of us creating together.....walking to the session i had felt that i was in a GIBSON novel, how sci-fi everything is becoming at least in our little world.....well, i have downloaded all the amazing CDs that i managed to get at the fest, time for a long slow walk with my buddy MR. I POD.....but first, I MUST LOOP!.....:)mk p.s. i will be having mucho time off soon and i promise to learn some of this puter voodoo and perhaps become a more productive member of our family.....i may have to come and stay at your house for lessons on all of this stuff but keep in mind that i eat anything and i wash a mean dish! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_c81.4aed994.327261a1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable along with the ninjam server possibly b= eing on LD, is there a way to consolidate the photos of the events there als= o, both past and present fests?.....it would be kool to see how everyone but= me has aged!.....LD is the place to record our history imho.....after all,=20= it is our mothership.....what exciting times!.....i listened to the ninjam s= ession that tony/mark/matt and i did, thank you fellows, what sounded to me=20= like maddness at the metamusic store translated well in the relistening (3x)= , i'm sold, what a wonderful advancement in all of us creating together.....= walking to the session i had felt that i was in a GIBSON novel, how sci-fi e= verything is becoming at least in our little world.....well, i have download= ed all the amazing CDs that i managed to get at the fest, time for a long sl= ow walk with my buddy MR. I POD.....but first, I MUST LOOP!.....:)mk
p.s. i will be having mucho time off soon and i promise to learn some of thi= s puter voodoo and perhaps become a more productive member of our family....= .i may have to come and stay at your house for lessons on all of this stuff=20= but keep in mind that i eat anything and i wash a mean dish!



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 --part1_c81.4aed994.327261a1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 19:34:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E0903BEF4; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1161887805.4541003dcca3f@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:36:45 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061025231257.03f61b68@loopers-delight.com> <007a01c6f92b$40a82870$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <007a01c6f92b$40a82870$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:34:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm far from an expert.. :) But, I do alright getting around Linux, etc.. as well, we need to hook it into the boot sequence so the ninjam server is running when the machine is rebooted... It will be sweet if the ninjam server starts output shoutcast streams.. :) peace -cpr Quoting "markfrancombe.com" : > >Maybe we would need to do a few trial runs to see how it goes. I > > would need somebody to take charge of setting it up and helping to deal > > with whatever maintenance is needed. > > > these seem like interesting ideas, I would just need somebody to commit to > > > implementing them! > > > > kim > > Im more than happy to set it up for a trial run.. just need a temp account > on that machine and the IP I could do it all remotely... > I think a few of us have set one up and cpr sound like a bit of an expert > so... i think mantanance wont be a prob... anyway its all easy.. > > The live feed has been covered... either we run a shoutcast, or ninjam > itself has a big dev team working on this very issue.. maybe better to wait > with that one... > > Whats the Calendar for??? The beauty of the JamFarm idea is that you NEVER > know whos gonna be there... (the bad thing about the Jam Farm is that they > are all twats) > > Im really exiting about this, and so we all should when you realise that > (altho I only get VERY glitchy operation of it at the moment) the wasabi > version of the NinJam Client HAS MIDI SYNC GODDAMIT!!! you realise what this > > means of course??? Multiple loopers synched across the world... im sure it > will work soon... > > What fun!! > > Lets all kneel down and give thanks with me... > Thank you Oh Great Rabbit of the Sky, Conceiver of the Internet and the > Echoplex Digital Pro, THANK YOU... for letting me live in this very exiting > and slightly frightening time... > > m > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org > > and works at www.transformlearning.com > > PS: I did a Eno /Fripp the other day using NinJam as the looper.. just fed > the out from my computer back into the mixer..ha ha ha.. didnt take long > before a had a terrible racket!! > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 2545 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try SPAMfighter for free now! > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 26 20:38:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FD333BEF0; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45411CA7.3020508@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:37:59 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server References: <6.1.2.0.2.20061025231257.03f61b68@loopers-delight.com> <007a01c6f92b$40a82870$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <007a01c6f92b$40a82870$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the offers for setting up the Ninjam server, Mark & cpr. We'll have to hear from Kim about whether we can get remote access, or if someone local has to do that. I'd like to get the live feed happening ASAP, so let's keep an eye on what the Ninjam officials do, but I think we can get it set up with Shoutcast and a permanent client in the room. As far as the calendar, it'll be useful for people to be able to schedule actual sessions with specific people, I know for me the big drawback with the Jam Rooms - other than all the Hendrix imitators - was having people jump in suddenly while I was getting something good going with the people I actually wanted to play with. So I want to allow peeps to have times where they know what they're going to get, basically using it as a performance and/or rehearsal space. But I imagine most of the time will be OPEN SEASON (to borrow Rainer's phrase) for anybody to hop in, which I am quite excited about. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > >Maybe we would need to do a few trial runs to see how it goes. I >> would need somebody to take charge of setting it up and helping to >> deal with whatever maintenance is needed. > >> these seem like interesting ideas, I would just need somebody to >> commit to implementing them! >> >> kim > > Im more than happy to set it up for a trial run.. just need a temp > account on that machine and the IP I could do it all remotely... > I think a few of us have set one up and cpr sound like a bit of an > expert so... i think mantanance wont be a prob... anyway its all easy.. > > The live feed has been covered... either we run a shoutcast, or ninjam > itself has a big dev team working on this very issue.. maybe better to > wait with that one... > > Whats the Calendar for??? The beauty of the JamFarm idea is that you > NEVER know whos gonna be there... (the bad thing about the Jam Farm is > that they are all twats) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 00:32:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 455963BEDD; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45415385.1090907@adelphia.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:32:05 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KlackaDackaRacka Troupe ninjam References: <453E3B91.6000807@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <453E3B91.6000807@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn wrote: > I've posted an mp3 of the Kyberfest performance I did with Warren Sirota > (nylon-string guitar/guitar synth) and Brian Good (sax & EWI). Warren > was in Santa Cruz, Brian in Ohio, USA, and I was in Oaxaca, Mexico > (playing nylon-string as well, plus my trusty four-track). For no firm > reason, we called ourselves the KlackaDackaRacka Troupe. I think it was because I'd already used "BrainStemChewToy" on a previous project. :-) Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 12:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA7CD3BEDF; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:54:19 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #500 for October 26, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4542017B.5060002@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:59:40 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/061026.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #500 October 26, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Remy. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Sense" on and AKH Records. The Vinyl Starter s from the LP "White Noise 2" by David Voorhaus on Virgin Records and released in 1975. I played the music of Synthetic Block who will be at The Gate later this month. Remy - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#oct Synthetic Block - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/events.html#gate PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== David Vorhaus Concerto for White Noise 2 (Virgin) Synthesizer Movement II part 1 VA [The Itch Soother Chillicious (Waveform) Incident} Mingo Waiting for Time to This Side of the Night (none) Begin Synthetic Block Third Force Escape Velocity (Gears of Sand) cyberCHUMP Lay Your Head Sankhara (Internal Combustion) Remy Being Sense (AKH) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Remy Destination Sense (AKH) Remy Behaviour Sense (AKH) Remy Maze Sense (AKH) Remy Mortality Sense (AKH) Remy Deja Vu Sense (AKH) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Synergy. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cords" on Third Contact Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Grand Canyon Suite" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1981. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 14:01:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4D793BEE4; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:01:15 -0400 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question: EQ unit with built-in delay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-BF-Report: MAIL4:(-1.6 points) BAYES_00=-2.599,NO_REAL_NAME=0.961 autolearn=no dcc=shippo.bluefrog.com 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1(sonic.net) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:01:25 +0000 (UTC) hi mark and everyone, thanks. he says he's actually looking for something like this: "more like a small mixing board with each channel having 1/4" inputs=20 and a minimum of a 3 band equalizer, as well as levels, etc. It has to=20 have stereo output, of course...and then the delay should encompass the=20 whole unit, not just a channel." does anyone own such a unit? paula --- zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote: >> There are many multi effects units that have EQ and delay, but they usually have a bunch more too. My favorite is the Boss VF-1 that can be had via ebay for about $200. The cool thing is that if your friend's looper puts out a midi clock like the EDP does, you'll be able to auto-sync your delay to the midi clock. There really are tons of these devices though, so they should probably think about what they'd like to spend and what other features they might want. --- mizfeldman@bluefrog.com wrote: > hi there, > > sorry if this is borderline off-topic but i have a > friend who plays electronic percussion in a band with a looping > guitarist. the guitarist sometimes loops parts of what the drummer is > playing. he (drummer) also wants to put a delay on his sound using an=20 > EQ unit. > > he's looking for a unit that has stereo inputs and > stereo outputs, each side having an EQ, with a built in delay, without > f'ing up the stereo panning. > > any suggestions? > > thanks in advance, > > paula > ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail System http://www.bluefrog.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 15:12:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018B93BEDB; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Fv3Uuc/Wi6NNbSN726qFVHrwi+Qe/LfU77K6ThCaeBtC7jj5eibe4NYGdfhCCJPWaJu2Axpur3bgFELmKPkl5VD1uvszpJY30of7e2ALoIxfVLpZYELk8WIpXa0rcmBbsWVjZgx0huB4ugoeOrZk5cGJy2bx2552ZQJrFtPAqUs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6997F221-B93B-4665-9E3C-FFBBA971F3C8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: DVD movie with looping soundtrack online Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:12:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just found that a musical piece of mine, from a DVD movie, has been posted at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pODg0W3YHH8 This piece is a good example of recording a first take live looping performance and then refining it in a DAW (as we have been discussing on this list). If someone should be interested (I would.... ;-), here's the brief story of how it was done: Sax + Gibson EDP looper was first recorded to two separate tracks during one musical performance. Then the EDP recording was treaded with, among other things, Ohmforce Quadfromage (synth-like comp) and Cycling 74 Pluggo (string-like pad in breakdown part). The sax track was for some parts run through a virtual wha pedal (Logic's Fuzz-Wha plug-in). The percussionist was recorded separately, playing udu and some strange African instrument that looks like a wooden cup in which you rotate a stick. After the break-down part some "canned" percussion was added with Stylus RMX, near the end of the piece. This tube audio is mono although the original music was five channel DVD surround. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 17:52:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33CC3BEE2; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AeqBCZh1F3wsdc4ivWfEoTnKx0zwnynRtVSTODjl7V6LhVE1BaEt8QOz6lUdltilYi53ycyyIWya8EBwb0m2UVYsP/OLjWTwBnPMXGyyiJAOIfbEBDpil8qnCCeKd5eauXJoQVuxhJN8ii8Uy3KJ9LSjUJq13tAm+VuaTyCsmZ0= ; Message-ID: <20061027175239.90188.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Question: EQ unit with built-in delay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0dZ65C.A.izD.pdkQFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:52:41 +0000 (UTC) I have a soundcraft board that is pretty much like you described... but it's not what I'd call small. It is rack mountable though. Has a whole complement of digital effects. I think Alesis might make a small board that has effects too. I'd try googling "audio mixing board effects" and see what comes up. --- mizfeldman@bluefrog.com wrote: > hi mark and everyone, > > thanks. he says he's actually looking for something > like this: > > "more like a small mixing board with each channel > having 1/4" inputs > and a minimum of a 3 band equalizer, as well as > levels, etc. It has to > have stereo output, of course...and then the delay > should encompass the > whole unit, not just a channel." > > does anyone own such a unit? > > paula > > --- zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> There are many multi effects units that have EQ > and > delay, but they usually have a bunch more too. My > favorite is the Boss VF-1 that can be had via ebay > for > about $200. The cool thing is that if your friend's > looper puts out a midi clock like the EDP does, > you'll > be able to auto-sync your delay to the midi clock. > > There really are tons of these devices though, so > they > should probably think about what they'd like to > spend > and what other features they might want. > > --- mizfeldman@bluefrog.com wrote: > > > > hi there, > > > > sorry if this is borderline off-topic but i have a > > friend who plays electronic percussion in a band > with a looping > > guitarist. the guitarist sometimes loops parts of > what the drummer is > > playing. he (drummer) also wants to put a delay on > his sound using an > > EQ unit. > > > > he's looking for a unit that has stereo inputs and > > stereo outputs, each side having an EQ, with a > built in delay, without > > f'ing up the stereo panning. > > > > any suggestions? > > > > thanks in advance, > > > > paula > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail > System > http://www.bluefrog.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 18:01:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A140D3BED3; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KT1qRK5HINbLaPW9otWjJs8fHL/8Fd2obQwiO3zCeVtgfaGUQT/Nbqt+YpkjzKzOeP6MixEY7O3Kg60L/8xVo7m/7mPiAinE6+cXfyIIu5B6R+4HZfebWyBK62PG/OYBQ8fiXAKBwwVEs0xUFuC3YVpLJXflghDeaDuMXKOFhs0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061027175239.90188.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20061027175239.90188.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3199D10D-3065-4FA1-B09A-25C7A33E4DFE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question: EQ unit with built-in delay Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:01:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:01:50 +0000 (UTC) >> "more like a small mixing board with each channel >> having 1/4" inputs >> and a minimum of a 3 band equalizer, as well as >> levels, etc. It has to >> have stereo output, of course...and then the delay >> should encompass the >> whole unit, not just a channel." >> >> does anyone own such a unit? >> >> paula There are several of digital mixers with built-in effects (delay among others). That eight channel Yamaha mixers that was released a decade ago must be inexpensive now as a second hand by. I've never had one myself though, but heard from experienced users that they are good. They have 1/4" input (as well as other jacks) and are "small" if you compare it to most other mixers with built-in effects. How many channels do you need? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 18:09:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09B353BEF6; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HCfcDBlUEQAe61tGV1e2OOXR35wVZ6nlFtwXM2QW9ukbQNjT4qK2t6NsBiccHUiyh4ut6AsKsSCgW19iBbPEAkHBVvcDs05GRS9/clEDeH0aI7EEo+5RAzgyvBbAMTfuQPTY9yfBhGT6gUU5lyWsP3pTX2Ml5uT0UkOi4wBYiz8= ; Message-ID: <20061027180941.60988.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: DVD movie with looping soundtrack online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6997F221-B93B-4665-9E3C-FFBBA971F3C8@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:09:42 +0000 (UTC) I love the music! (bought it on iTunes) but I've always found the business talk to be destracting... you don't happen to have this sans voice do you? Maybe it's because I work for a corporate events company and I have to lisent to this type of thing all the time. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I just found that a musical piece of mine, from a > DVD movie, has been __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 18:29:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E1793BEFF; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=X36P3YHSySCCucR4h5lItEJlNl5zcfh+fs6cWswIo30rQbUTvpk1sqWJ8/qIH0Dj; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:36:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Question: EQ unit with built-in delay Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3199D10D-3065-4FA1-B09A-25C7A33E4DFE@gmail.com> Message-Id: <1ADC7413-65EA-11DB-8578-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48ca8aad07116bea225121eb1ff3fbe9e760db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.118.157 Resent-Message-ID: <2Ix6zC.A.FHF.hAlQFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:29:53 +0000 (UTC) On Friday, October 27, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> "more like a small mixing board with each channel >>> having 1/4" inputs >>> and a minimum of a 3 band equalizer, as well as >>> levels, etc. It has to >>> have stereo output, of course...and then the delay >>> should encompass the >>> whole unit, not just a channel." >>> >>> does anyone own such a unit? >>> >>> paula > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mackie-DFX12-12x2-Mixer-with- Effects?sku=634264 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Alesis-MultiMix-8USB-Mixer-with- USB-and-DSP?sku=630166 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Peavey-16FX-16-Channel-Mixer- With-Effects?sku=631372 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 27 18:37:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A2B3BEF7; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=OfiDyTGZ1CqnpieoyTk77evUZf31AzCzasoEZT+S1Y33eIOqTqpL2mCZded95JdVjUi4rIR3DDjXaH/ixWQVvxMDnvUF24svaVwV5rXqKSiuLplZN19EBDPRizhH5U+5YX6moEdl/e+AiRfSoan9qFrgJm/kS4sknZ0MMMJoDvs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:37:00 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ninjam server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6f5dfca97361f379 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:37:04 +0000 (UTC) > Whats the Calendar for??? The beauty of the JamFarm idea is that you NEVER > know whos gonna be there... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 18:08:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADECA3BEDB; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=q+YgM96eqG+Mp7s9Fkf3NJ3mP53GRLOG0WkjWl6Ye6EsvTNLxsCgVVuLacM78JOOpza981S+iH/hQfbyycjaEpxey1AJufFn5pGEDrrTKr4cOeGs8oAfk5QzmtmfFvCsRSP0xpfggmrzP9qvsDHTlniyHD1R9Cg70rmakHUnIuI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: MAX/msp question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:08:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi, If you're not interested in MAX or laptop based looping rigs, please ignore this post. During the last days I have examined Ableton Live 6.0.1 and unfortunately found that it lacks one function that is very important for me: calling up multi effect patches ("Racks") by external MIDI (using foot pedals). --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? By studying the Eventide Eclipse and my own TC Electronic FirefirX for two years I have finally learned enough about combining different effects and I'm now confident that I'm able to recreate "my sound" from any audio audio processing environment that provides the usual modules as well efficient wiring and side-chaining (read "MAX"... I guess?). I would probably get rather far by only using VST or AU (preferably VST, since I like to assemble the processed audio as loops in Mobius, which sadly is Windows XP only). I guess MAX displays loaded VST's parameters and makes it possible to, for example, take one parameter out of VST A and run it through a "scaling module" (eventually with also a "multiply/division coefficient" that may be directly controlled from a MIDI expression pedal) to have it control a targeted parameter in some other VST plug-in. --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? To go even further into details, here are some examples of typical multi effect patches (my musical imagination includes twenty patches that I want to have instantly accessible when playing): FX patch example 1: - Input - Signal split into three parallel lines - Parallel line 1: Dry signal - Parallel line 2: Harmonizer + 5 (wet signal) - Parallel line 3: Harmonizer - 7 (wet signal) - Summing of the three parallel signal lines - Compressor - Output FX patch example 2: - Input - Reverb - Signal split into two parallel lines - Parallel line 1: Dry signal - Parallel line 2: Reverb signal (this line includes a filter which cut-off function is controlled by a step sequencer) - Summing of the two parallel lines - Compressor - Output (associated module: Step Sequencer) In example 2 a MIDI expression pedal should be mapped to control the volume of the second parallel line (step sequence filtered reverb). A more advanced version of this FX patch also includes a random LFO controlling the tempo division of the step sequencer that is controlling the filter cut-off that shapes the reverb tail. --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? Regarding my preferred looper Mobius in MAX, I do not intend to run Mobius tracks as separate outputs into MAX for the purpose of applying effects post loop. I prefer the performance technique where you apply effects to the looper input (MAX + VST's) and record the effects as part of the loop (into some Mobius track). Although this does limit the options in theory I have found it more intuitively "playable" in praxis. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 19:40:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D3063BEEA; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:40:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:40:33 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 29, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > During the last days I have examined Ableton Live 6.0.1 and > unfortunately found that it lacks one function that is very important > for me: calling up multi effect patches ("Racks") by external MIDI > (using foot pedals). > > --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? You mean changing/turning on and off multiple effect patches all at once? No problem. > > I would probably get rather far by only using VST or AU (preferably > VST, since I like to assemble the processed audio as loops in Mobius, > which sadly is Windows XP only). > --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? Yes to VSTs, no AUs in max..... > I guess MAX displays loaded VST's parameters and makes it possible to, > for example, take one parameter out of VST A and run it through a > "scaling module" (eventually with also a "multiply/division > coefficient" that may be directly controlled from a MIDI expression > pedal) to have it control a targeted parameter in some other VST > plug-in. Yes. There are other ways to do this as well, just route the original controller data itself simultaneously to the multiple plugs all at once through different scaling/mapping/arithmetic objects. > In example 2 a MIDI expression pedal should be mapped to control the > volume of the second parallel line (step sequence filtered reverb). A > more advanced version of this FX patch also includes a random LFO > controlling the tempo division of the step sequencer that is > controlling the filter cut-off that shapes the reverb tail. > --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? Yes. But but regarding the step sequencer, it depends on what is driving the time. I have never used (so it doesn't bother me) midi sync, but I understand that it is not great in max. However, I use step sequencers that are driven by different timing objects (from metronome type to random type) with no problems at all. Basically, if your vst has a parameter accessible by midi, you can hook up all sorts of things to do wild control stuff....For instance on one of mine I have different random numbers being fed in, and my pedals control the speed and amount of the randomness in the objects connecting to the vst....it is a lot of fun..... > Regarding my preferred looper Mobius in MAX, I do not intend to run > Mobius tracks as separate outputs into MAX for the purpose of applying > effects post loop. I prefer the performance technique where you apply > effects to the looper input (MAX + VST's) and record the effects as > part of the loop (into some Mobius track). Although this does limit > the options in theory I have found it more intuitively "playable" in > praxis. It easily (according to krispen) runs inside of max and can be put anywhere in the processing chain you want..... Lovely to hear from you, and GREAT to meet you at the festival. Cheers, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 19:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0303BEFE; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Looping on archived radio Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: <012f01c6fb94$5f4c8620$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Acb7lF7eGOy7P2euSx2/LtrNmIZh/A== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:56:55 +0000 (UTC) This week I was on a Tampa area FM radio show, and did a 1 hour interview/performance where I talked about looping, composition, etc...now keep in mind, this station normally plays lots of roots rock, folk, bluegrass, etc...so it was a bit of a stretch for them, but it was lots of fun. I am bringing the whole thing to the local NBC TV affiliate's 'Daytime' show this week. Check it out, y'all peeps: http://www.wmnf.org/includes/playarchive.php?ArchiveId=2498&Type=MP3 Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives <--- 50 CDs, 50 hours, no copies From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 20:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7123BEE0; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:24:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <0jty_B.A.sNH.T4QRFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Followup: One of the coolest things about max/msp is the flexibility of routing=20 information (both audio and controller). Setting things up in serial or=20= parallel or both at once, sending audio multiple places, controlling=20 multiple things all at once is really easy...and allows for a lot of=20 creativity in controlling loopers and effects.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 20:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C28BD3BEF0; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HmruAduoKeYOhWF4xsJuJezT4gESRj7UbZwcPK/l4zcmv9qHuHTcNKy9d48F8YL4dhKrMf9L9O7HsTNnlYtD0qhRGtb6mZ3ASJw5xVl4AInci7050208dwx9XFUl4II7rskLACax7+Lcr9AKCmZJaRfMPN3jK94kkbWKYsyG74w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:38:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:38:29 +0000 (UTC) On 29 okt 2006, at 20.40, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Followup: > > One of the coolest things about max/msp is the flexibility of > routing information (both audio and controller). Setting things up > in serial or parallel or both at once, sending audio multiple > places, controlling multiple things all at once is really > easy...and allows for a lot of creativity in controlling loopers > and effects.... Sounds great! > For instance on one of mine I have different random numbers being > fed in, and my pedals control the speed and amount of the > randomness in the objects connecting to the vst....it is a lot of > fun..... That's a typical example of what I'm able to do with the FireworX hardware device but not with any software I own - not even Numerology on my macs. I'm installing the 30 days MAX demo now and hope I'll find money for a purchase when needed. Thank you for your advice! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 21:02:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 197973BEF7; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:02:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Please feel free to email me with questions on or off line.....I think=20= this type of software is the future of what we are doing....and it is=20 so musical and fun to work with.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 29, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > That's a typical example of what I'm able to do with the FireworX=20 > hardware device but not with any software I own - not even Numerology=20= > on my macs. I'm installing the 30 days MAX demo now and hope I'll find=20= > money for a purchase when needed. > > Thank you for your advice! :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 21:58:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 155C93BEEC; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20061029215817485.767141C00088@mwinf3106.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <002b01c6fba5$58b04340$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:58:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <_sLQlB.A.hSE.7PSRFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, Why don't you have a look at Audiomulch? It seems to have all the features you need, runs under windows and is cheap to buy and intuitive to learn as well as being very powerful. G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: MAX/msp question > Hi, > > If you're not interested in MAX or laptop based looping rigs, please > ignore this post. > > During the last days I have examined Ableton Live 6.0.1 and unfortunately > found that it lacks one function that is very important for me: calling > up multi effect patches ("Racks") by external MIDI (using foot pedals). > > --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? > > By studying the Eventide Eclipse and my own TC Electronic FirefirX for > two years I have finally learned enough about combining different effects > and I'm now confident that I'm able to recreate "my sound" from any audio > audio processing environment that provides the usual modules as well > efficient wiring and side-chaining (read "MAX"... I guess?). > > I would probably get rather far by only using VST or AU (preferably VST, > since I like to assemble the processed audio as loops in Mobius, which > sadly is Windows XP only). I guess MAX displays loaded VST's parameters > and makes it possible to, for example, take one parameter out of VST A > and run it through a "scaling module" (eventually with also a > "multiply/division coefficient" that may be directly controlled from a > MIDI expression pedal) to have it control a targeted parameter in some > other VST plug-in. > > --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? > > To go even further into details, here are some examples of typical multi > effect patches (my musical imagination includes twenty patches that I > want to have instantly accessible when playing): > > FX patch example 1: > - Input > - Signal split into three parallel lines > - Parallel line 1: Dry signal > - Parallel line 2: Harmonizer + 5 (wet signal) > - Parallel line 3: Harmonizer - 7 (wet signal) > - Summing of the three parallel signal lines > - Compressor > - Output > > FX patch example 2: > - Input > - Reverb > - Signal split into two parallel lines > - Parallel line 1: Dry signal > - Parallel line 2: Reverb signal (this line includes a filter which > cut-off function is controlled by a step sequencer) > - Summing of the two parallel lines > - Compressor > - Output > (associated module: Step Sequencer) > > In example 2 a MIDI expression pedal should be mapped to control the > volume of the second parallel line (step sequence filtered reverb). A > more advanced version of this FX patch also includes a random LFO > controlling the tempo division of the step sequencer that is controlling > the filter cut-off that shapes the reverb tail. > > --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? > > Regarding my preferred looper Mobius in MAX, I do not intend to run > Mobius tracks as separate outputs into MAX for the purpose of applying > effects post loop. I prefer the performance technique where you apply > effects to the looper input (MAX + VST's) and record the effects as part > of the loop (into some Mobius track). Although this does limit the > options in theory I have found it more intuitively "playable" in praxis. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 22:10:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89B913BEE7; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gJuXXLVA5dcRrpI6Ojf6UYnzVfiyfjBjFg2wUi0vWuXHm7vMa2ZODBMEuVlbC3Fdk2QSn5uhz8gVefhl+gbB0i3EsVnvAjNuY8m+8U4Wiaq+vn/keX6Yf5fLU/YpcsR15WB3MzYTaV8sPQmby+jt61GWRAXnc4DJNHS9eGHEyZM= ; Message-ID: <20061029221018.81214.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:10:17 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: sidechain effects, mac and live 6 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Does anyone know if there are any sidechain effects for ableton live 6, when using mac intel ? any for free ? best regards Rune f. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 22:38:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5803BEE7; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fBvB1NzOL46MR1CulyZ9h5EQ2fiqH9A6ZDwlF2EuNY4W1ObmzOTrBycH5NSwhfZcvc3z4P46I2s0PYUMmstVEQsd9Z3ylQUsK4g97AZPvoIcreD1i7tLTdLuRZmujATZXYnWCq5VbLnsHkUI1wZ6oaGofQAuPFIouBpYt6PcWhY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20061029221018.81214.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20061029221018.81214.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3713BCF5-8286-42D2-8F3B-0F1CCE5E7DCC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: sidechain effects, mac and live 6 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:38:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:38:22 +0000 (UTC) On 29 okt 2006, at 23.10, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > Does anyone know if there are any sidechain effects > for ableton live 6, Yes. The answer is "no". The compressor in Live may confuse by having a parameter named "EQ Side Chain". This is not side-chaining in the matter of controlling one compressor parameter from a different audio stream, as we do with the classical audio ducking technique. It's just a function for giving more or less priority to certain frequency bands to be affected by the compressor (more similar to a multi band compressor if you like). > when using mac intel ? Live works exactly the same under any OS platform and CPU type. > any for > free ? No. Here's a link to Live's pricing: http://www.ableton.com/live6-pricing Depending on what kind of effects you are looking for there might be some third-party plug-ins available, but probably not for free with a side-chain functionality. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 29 22:57:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EE693BEE9; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Vv6l3IYYj3Ilz/FTa4oOhqWIL/ZU4iZAgW+Xa3YkimZTfJ6W01QVWnBQV2yR89SRLYxEDucJ0UkR/w8XzpRSqLZEPv9+zeimAJE3Tth5zYpj5evddnC+9LivVstB/lVWtPgkuD9Q5yIcbJgd2MiUHOpR1VO9SgO62Ii00giA1Ns= In-Reply-To: <002b01c6fba5$58b04340$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <002b01c6fba5$58b04340$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <324A1186-2C3C-42FB-9220-E13BDF21A49E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:57:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:57:11 +0000 (UTC) On 29 okt 2006, at 22.58, gareth whittock wrote: > Hey Per, > Why don't you have a look at Audiomulch? It seems to have all the > features you need, runs under windows and is cheap to buy and > intuitive to learn as well as being very powerful. Thanks for the tip. I don't mind that it "runs under Windows" but I'm not investing my time in anything that does ONLY run under Windows ;-) For me that would be such a waste because all my other great audio software - except for Mobius - is OS X only. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 01:37:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA10D3BEB8; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ceqV/5Zzt8BwdoIR11eGegGbetpG0BSvkPxwjrU02XrJppMTLTZcOU0d1h4GEuSaEzjnG7yiGP/AjSjABOxEFtZ6wIDe63IG3HgjI85Ha8dvlp2kYi0r+4L61Py/64fXu4WxGXMxK2Yw9lwn7iIIzygNI+6Gr2BfUvAvFn9DJfM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:36:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:37:00 +0000 (UTC) On 29 okt 2006, at 22.02, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Please feel free to email me with questions on or off line.....I > think this type of software is the future of what we are > doing....and it is so musical and fun to work with.... Thanks! Here comes the first question I bumped into after spending the evening reading the MAX and the MSP manuals. Everywhere in the reference material all time issues are given in milliseconds. That's not how I want to work. I want to write my patches with all time dependent processes referring to "the musical grid", i.e. MIDI Clock tics, beats or whatever it may be called. This global tempo grid is defined by the looping process - at the moment by Mobius VST plug-in but in the future probably by some OS X looper similar to Mobius/EDP. When I do "beatless" music I want to offset my patches from the global tempo, either completely or by a controllable coefficient (divider/multiplier) tempo. Does these ambitions make sense with MAX/ MSP? One example is the MSP manual, page 227, "Variable delay time". The example delay patch with "tapin~" and "tapout~" is a typical patch I would use. But the fact that only milliseconds is used for time makes me uncomfortable. Have I missed out on some parts of the reference manuals? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 02:38:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C4FC3BED5; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <732f2f6f6d841e1b5514998faf89ca1c@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Y2K6 Festival and more..... Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:38:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Working through the discs that were procured during the=20 festival....great stuff! I've listened to Per Boysen's Abstract Experimental Yet Catchy (that is=20= a title, not a review) a couple of times now...wonderful. And Miro's has been listened to numerous times...great stuff! And so far, only two discs....looking forward to the rest. It was so=20 much fun hanging out with these folks from all over the world.... Again, Rick!!! Great job. I feel like I've just recovered, I can only imagine what you must feel=20= like.... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 03:55:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76683BEE1; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fOEkl8W0uV9RWXuB/q+LU7JF4n9CIU0m5Hk6WElxfp/Jp58slTH4kPrUu1Pz7Xqj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <44245.1162180519963.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:55:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K6 Festival and more..... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c9665851e7d032d36da4f122c7e2a63a4e7a3108705b577b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:55:20 +0000 (UTC) umm... just a big ups and high five to the Walker Bros. for doin what they done did+all that helped out on the biggest of Loop Fests that i've witnessed anyway... i have to apologise for my Atmospheric db Excess. the stuff i play these days is not fit for small performance spots like Alchemy. so i profusely apologise to Rick for making things uncomfortable loudness wise. (those low frequencys need a lotta ampage!) to paraphrase BrianWilson: "i guess i just wasnt made for these times" humblee staninsanfran -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Kaiser >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 6:38 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Y2K6 Festival and more..... > >Working through the discs that were procured during the >festival....great stuff! > >I've listened to Per Boysen's Abstract Experimental Yet Catchy (that is >a title, not a review) a couple of times now...wonderful. > >And Miro's has been listened to numerous times...great stuff! > >And so far, only two discs....looking forward to the rest. It was so >much fun hanging out with these folks from all over the world.... > >Again, Rick!!! Great job. > >I feel like I've just recovered, I can only imagine what you must feel >like.... > >best, >Jeff > >Jeff Kaiser >http://www.JeffKaiser.com >pfMENTUM.com ? AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 06:26:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B372F3BEB9; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:26:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: New Release "electr-ohm compilation 1" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, Sorry for off topic,this is our new release information. title : electr-ohm compilation 1 artist : V.A. label : electr-ohm CD number : TCCD-20062 format : Audio CD release date : 6th November 2006 This CD is an answer from a label, electr-ohm to next generation of IDM. Complex rhythm beat and gentle crackles with abstract textures or subdued drones. and their advantage is high knowledge of DSP sound manipulation. 13 international artists joined from 7 countries, it includes Flint Glass, Empusae, Noize Creator,Sunao Inami and more. This CD is highly recommended to a person liking IDM, Rhythmic noise,Dark electro,Break beat and Break core. 01 : Instrumental / Sunao Inami (jp) 02 : Niflheim / Empusae (be) 03 : sak / in center of circle (jp) 04 : Extra Terrestrial / Noize Creator (de) 05 : Nocturnal waves / Flint Glass (fr) 06 : cut / nOriyOshi (jp) 07 : R-IO / symphony space (jp) 08 : Sperre Drei / Enzym (de) 09 : Legacy of Mangler / Sunao Inami (jp) 10 : a circle and a triangle / Yumi Matsui (jp) 11 : acdeefhlmmnoooprsty / Daisuke Ohkoshi (jp) 12 : Fear event killing all people in Grand Theft Auto / ANATOMICA (jp) 13 : Norma / LITH (fr) 14 : tam / in center of circle (jp) 15 : hymenaea protera / wg@eet (nl) 16 : LCR / symphony space (jp) 16 songs,65 min total. Please visit our online shop page for details: http://shop.cavestudio.org/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/308 * Empusae appears courtesy of Hands Productions. * Noize Creator and Enzym appears courtesy of Suburban Trash Industries. * Flint Glass and LITH appears courtesy of Brume records. Contact: http://www.electr-ohm.com contact@electr-ohm.com Myspace http://www.myspace.com/electrohm p.s. - for distributors and CD shops - we can talk about whole sale. please contact to: contact@electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao Inami From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 09:31:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D68153BEEA; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TVq9wncRe08KzxfMuJ57gC7/ZvJxZxHSZdBWfdVvi/gTAR17kytTns48puk0no6ad/6Ny3MiG9G3zkABGLYhBYzIKHN5S5vxQ9JiS2W5uiuEfdVTT94boEe908Od+GHOsrF8+z+3T75ZTX4EScWfbiMxmmjQcwrnHqxTKsa/qw4= ; Message-ID: <20061030093114.51547.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:31:14 +0100 (CET) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: sidechain effects, mac and live 6 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3713BCF5-8286-42D2-8F3B-0F1CCE5E7DCC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi and thanks ! I am looking for a sidechain compressor, that works with live 6 and my mac intel. Any tips ? Rune F --- Per Boysen skrev: > On 29 okt 2006, at 23.10, rune fagereng wrote: > > > Hi ! > > Does anyone know if there are any sidechain > effects > > for ableton live 6, > > Yes. The answer is "no". > > The compressor in Live may confuse by having a > parameter named "EQ > Side Chain". This is not side-chaining in the matter > of controlling > one compressor parameter from a different audio > stream, as we do with > the classical audio ducking technique. It's just a > function for > giving more or less priority to certain frequency > bands to be > affected by the compressor (more similar to a multi > band compressor > if you like). > > > when using mac intel ? > > Live works exactly the same under any OS platform > and CPU type. > > > any for > > free ? > > No. Here's a link to Live's pricing: > http://www.ableton.com/live6-pricing > > Depending on what kind of effects you are looking > for there might be > some third-party plug-ins available, but probably > not for free with a > side-chain functionality. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 10:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E88FB3BEDA; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <002a01c6fc10$2a3ffa30$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: Subject: Re: Ninjam server Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:42:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:43:08 +0000 (UTC) >> Whats the Calendar for??? The beauty of the JamFarm idea is that you >> NEVER >> know whos gonna be there... (the bad thing about the Jam Farm is that >> they >> are all twats) > > from my point of view, it's about knowing that someone else is > actually going to be there, since it takes quite a lot for me to make > time to set up & play, and it would be a shame to do that and to end > up playing solo! OK well i get that, im just not that organised... and can rarely plan a damn thing... however I had a lot of fun connecting to an empty server and playing, while ignoring ninjam... suddenly from nowhere in came a fantastic sexy french voice, singing and talking over my loops... great surprise... got chatting later and will be using the jam on my new album currently in progress... spose a calandar is a good idea, if you dont HAVE to book time or anything... that would suck.. m mark francombe > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2698 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 11:58:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96513BEE9; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKt2RUXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACBTIpoAgkOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061030114911.01ace730@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:56:08 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: MAX/msp question In-Reply-To: References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:58:45 +0000 (UTC) At 18:08 29/10/2006, you wrote: >--> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? Also with Bidule. (plus you could do the 'development' with live audio running through as you worked) ...I don't know how the quality of the building blocks compares though. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 12:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3FA3BEF0; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=M3j2Anm2MNtDNheB3A6xSvDL4ajmXpvcEyObhilKvCcG1UM8rtcbQUV7pE8LFYwhWHqXuBHV5f0Dw+QKBKICp69Gzh/5lPAU4h5v1A92KE+dqdGyZFNxYi6vQrpi7bpUO2FA7ZjKzPAq69J2k/MqOJoIbkXo2b1zMs2GJ4VxqBA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061030114911.01ace730@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030114911.01ace730@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E7701A7-412D-46BF-BA58-0522F01EA554@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:51:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:51:42 +0000 (UTC) > At 18:08 29/10/2006, you wrote: >> --> I guess this is possible with MAX, isn't it? On 30 okt 2006, at 12.56, a k butler wrote: > Also with Bidule. > (plus you could do the 'development' with live audio running > through as you worked) > > ...I don't know how the quality of the building blocks compares > though. I'm investigating Bidule right now. Had to stop for some sleep but I just woke up now and will continue with live audio running through while building. Bidule seems much faster than MAX to realize certain multi effect patches. Don't know yet if it sounds good enough though, but there is always the option of throwing in existing VST plug-ins into the effect chains. But it's a drag to work in Windows XP (have to do that because of Mobius) because I could really use Apples free audio plug-ins. For example, Apples pitch-shifte is excellent and I have no third-party plug-in that only does simple pitch-shifting. The closest is Ohmforce Hematohm but then you get all their built-in wiring as well. I would prefer just plain pitch-shifters and do the wiring with delay lines etc in Bidule (or MAX). I wonder if it would take a lot of time to make a looper like Mobius in MAX? (taking advance of working in OS X with all the good Apple plug-ins, Core MIDI and Core Audio). Of all the MAX built loopers I've seen they all loop one layers at a time and then move on to create the next layer in a parallel loop. That's not efficient for the looping I'm interested in. Is it just that some template in MAX implements this kind of development? I guess it must be possible to set up a loop with overdub layering and feedback control in MAX? I've heard normal tape-style delays in MAX so it must be possible! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 13:02:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3CAE3BEFA; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAANWERUXUSnInh2dsb2JhbACBTIpoAgkOKg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:53:11 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: MAX/msp question In-Reply-To: <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:02:34 +0000 (UTC) At 19:40 29/10/2006, you wrote: >Yes. But but regarding the step sequencer, it depends on what is >driving the time. I have never used (so it doesn't bother me) midi >sync, but I understand that it is not great in max. Very good indeed in Bidule. If you have a tap time looper with midi sync out it's no problem to sync to it. You could even have a number of different loopers, running at different tempi, each with synced fx Bidule hosts all sorts of vsts, any no. of channels, and lets you hook them up any way you like (audio, midi, sync), and you can do that while the audio is actually running. pc & mac ( AU supported on mac) not expensive It has simple midi synced loop components if you needed those too. ........BUT It doesn't have the "support base" here that MAX has :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 16:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 694E93BEEA; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 10.31.06 @ the PiNG > PHOLDE + SIX HEADS w GENERAL CHAOS VISUALS Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:11:49 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c6fc3e$1aea1c40$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:10:56 +0000 (UTC) THiS TUESDAY . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 17:31:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C700C3BEF4; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:33:57 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: managing small e-mail lists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c6fc49$97987100$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20061021185246.B0F783BEDD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9YSgyD.A.cbB.wbjRFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi crew- For my looping exploits, I am sending out e-mails to two groups. One is a list of local musicians and friends, and one is a list of worldwide contacts. I use Outlook Express, and I currently have the groups in my Address Book, sorted into sub-groups of about 15 addresses per sub-group, for a total of about 125 local folks, 450 worldwide folks. My problem is that the Outlook Express format is pretty bitchy to edit and check. The only way I can cross-check addresses to see if, f'rinstance, an address is in one of these groups is to open up each group and visually scan every address. I can only see about 8 addresses at a time, and I can't even print out a list of just names or just e-mail addresses. In fact, I can't even remember HOW I printed out the lists the last time I did. I'm sure some of you are sending out gig and CD announcements to just a few hundred people at a time. What do you use to manage these lists? How do you do it? Thanx in advance, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 17:57:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01AE83BEF8; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: MAX/msp question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:57:48 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B82C@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <0E7701A7-412D-46BF-BA58-0522F01EA554@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MAX/msp question thread-index: Acb8IicZnGizQU0zSg6LNSN2uK0QDAAHPA1g From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <6IpMR.A.oSC.Y0jRFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:57:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 > I wonder if it would take a lot of time to make a looper like Mobius =20 > in MAX? I'm certainly not a Max expert but I feel confident in saying that you cannot duplicate *all* of the Mobius functionality using just Max built-in components (or the things you're going to find in the forums), you would have to write most of it in C or C++ as a Max "external", and at that point you're basically just writing a VST plugin. Now, before the Max fans start firing off impassioned responses claiming MAX CAN DO ANYTHING DAMNIT!!!, take a few cleansing breaths and go skim the Mobius and EDP manuals. Trust me it can't be done, and even if it were theoretically possible it would take more time and energy than any sane person would want to expend. A more interesting question is whether Max can do exactly what you want. This may be quite possible. Max is not very good for building complex general purpose systems that meet many people's needs, but it is fairly good at building limited systems that work exactly the way you want them to. =20 > I guess it must be possible to set up a loop with overdub layering and > feedback control in MAX? I've heard normal tape-style delays in MAX so > it must be possible! Overdub with feedback alone is relatively easy. Where tape-style looping gets hard is when you want to implement multi-layer undo. At minimum you have to save copies of each pass of the loop and provide a UI to select them. Where it starts to get really fun is supporting the concept of "seamless overdub over the loop point". A common technique is to leave overdub on and play a sustained tone that crosses the loop boundary. In order to support undo you have to generate a new layer *however* you must also avoid a fade-to-zero at the edges of the two layers or else there will be a "bump" at the start point during playback. This is difficult for loopers that implement layers as autonomous tracks that can be mixed independently. If for example you reduce the volume of the second layer's track to zero, there will be a click at the end of the first layer's track because the wave form that was being played immediately after the end of the first track is now gone. There are several ways to solve these problems, but I cannot imagine implementing them by drawing pictures in Max. But I look forward to the Max-o-philes telling me I'm wrong :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087F93BF02; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <454644D4.3000206@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:30:44 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/msp question References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Welcome on board Per, Per Boysen wrote: > Does these ambitions make sense with MAX/ MSP? Yes > One example is the MSP manual, page 227, "Variable delay time". The > example delay patch with "tapin~" and "tapout~" is a typical patch I > would use. But the fact that only milliseconds is used for time makes > me uncomfortable. Have I missed out on some parts of the reference > manuals? This is something typical I guess, if you think in terms of "features" of a program with a defined aim, like you have been probably used till now. This would be a crucial demand for such a tool. In Max its not, you just build an abstraction once to translate into parameters a given object will ask for. You do it yourself, any way of thinking is allowed and covered. Proprietary software is forced to follow an average demand, in Max you follow your own demand... Simple example: there is an object called metro, which will bang with a constant speed. The time between bangs is set in milliseconds. (No BPM, no percentage of a master beat no uncertainty factor or whatever...) Now lets assume the way of your thinking is in BPM rather than in milliseconds. The only thing you need to do, create your own "Per.metro" which simply translates BPM into milliseconds and attaches it to the original metro. It looks like metro, but uses BPM to define the speed. In the future you just use Per.metro instead of metro. After you have done it once, you do not need to deal with milliseconds anymore... The manual/examples/help files will help you to solve such problems, you need to learn to implement the features you are missing. There is a learning curve, but its worth it. You get features no software supplier would consider even thinking about... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:40:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EDC13BF0B; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FZV+dRQ+tOSqjLhfRbTb/zhh/SYZrqrEQjGcIbRuoDJq9O4Qb3pHX048zuX3+NNFwfiloIFPl5pfrUsdmpGThrsqnrfWR0nqA8g8Ay0ah9XFQFA3fOiUNUt6xOz1NOjtJlXKZu5VN5gjr0w6uFKfpNWqGBJxMW2aQE9HoOfoJwM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <454644D4.3000206@addcom.de> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> <454644D4.3000206@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C62113B-2532-44F2-A35F-F1061EBB30C6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:40:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:40:34 +0000 (UTC) On 30 okt 2006, at 19.30, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Now lets assume the way of your thinking is in BPM rather than in > milliseconds. The only thing you need to do, create your own > "Per.metro" which simply translates BPM into milliseconds and > attaches it to the original metro. It looks like metro, but uses > BPM to define the speed. > > In the future you just use Per.metro instead of metro. After you > have done it once, you do not need to deal with milliseconds > anymore... Great hint. Thanks a lot! I knew it would be some way to do it in MAX because the C74 guys have already done that old system for synchronizing Pluggo plug-ins, which proves they are not totally anti rhythmic ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:41:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11F363BF19; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QZcb6l+Tt1b6HrCz72HD+GuOv7csw0qoUpYkRH3Vj7rLE9KI4t+i0pjvpBPedNRgDGDqalA3+8nksVtj6s2nVGAzshSh4eBXtsF+Xo715QXI9hwMC/h5s4UTIojBjMXpyECrNBav7fOippPuStbPtcdizUz93uN6m/snCjtsqXc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:41:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:41:53 +0000 (UTC) On 30 okt 2006, at 13.53, a k butler wrote: > Very good indeed in Bidule. > If you have a tap time looper with midi sync out it's no problem to > sync to it. > You could even have a number of different loopers, running at > different tempi, each with synced fx > > Bidule hosts all sorts of vsts, any no. of channels, and lets you > hook them up any way you like (audio, midi, sync), and you can do > that while the audio is actually running. > pc & mac ( AU supported on mac) > > not expensive > > It has simple midi synced loop components if you needed those too. > > ........BUT > It doesn't have the "support base" here that MAX has :-) I see your point, Andy. But Bidule is so damn easy and fast that it doesn't need any "support base" to let you create things. I have been tinkering half day with Bidule and already made a nice VST host and effect tweaking environment for looping in Mobius. Nice SIR reverb on both live input and Mobius loop output as well as different parallel, or daisy-chained, VST effects that are called up from a MIDI foot pedal. Bidules "Audio Matrix" makes it possible to route effects and assign MIDI bindings. Not Program Change though, so I'm setting up this pilot system with cc and using an expression pedal to sweep though all my custom made multi effect clusters. Since tweaking Bidule is so fast I may have time to make a pilot rig in MAX as well, so I can evaluate MAX in 30 days before the demo times out. Both app's are working fine under OS X and XP. I guess MSP has plain pitch shifting modules? Regarding Bidule under XP I still miss the nice pitch-shifters that comes for free on a Mac, but maybe someone can hint me at a plain pitch-shifting VST plug-in for XP? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:48:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFBCF3BF1C; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:48:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Check out gizmo~ It is what I use for all my pitch shifting madness.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I guess MSP has plain pitch shifting modules?=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:54:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E31843BF2E; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VT/wqWfF+RntaLPB6/nlPi9cbsa56dzBhFMKcNlVYsutdLiOtGVh2IJBBFYN1z01yJoLzPQVjkR3BcEFtYDYUjl9Vfln7QQYDgiaWOquDGNvyLRzbUe+7cnkb8gRI/eJ2jdsKPCeJd++fHxqAEKqoWR9H7wYy7293qlVPS5e0K8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0610301054r7921a693g1af653aaf474d585@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:54:47 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) In-Reply-To: <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:54:49 +0000 (UTC) I like Braindoc's free VST Pitch Shifter: http://www.braindoc.de/english/vstEn.html > miss the nice pitch-shifters that comes for free on a Mac, but maybe > someone can hint me at a plain pitch-shifting VST plug-in for XP? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 18:59:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 584003BF2E; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a7f01c6fc55$8a121b60$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> <29324E08-3F15-498E-9A4C-E7686F9D56D6@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:59:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:59:38 +0000 (UTC) I ditto that...I use it for my interval stacker max patch....6 parallel pitch shifters all going at once...great for the Brian May (Queen) sound. :) it's a monster. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Bidule (was: MAX/msp question) Check out gizmo~ It is what I use for all my pitch shifting madness.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Oct 30, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I guess MSP has plain pitch shifting modules? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 20:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D89A3BEF9; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qspSEp3sFOwd8mvHp/o0Oi3xSMwG7IhjwHzXYAE3JcWs2UYDpTbXFjwR/PfCUJJI; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <380-2200610130201133170@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: r.d.w.i.v@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.122.0 (Windows) From: "r.d.w.i.v@earthlink.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:11:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 2f0e8e63232cd512ba38eb534146710e7e972de0d01da9404ae8a20d0239b4405d0bef833f730d32350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.225.191.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Per, Here's an example patch, at the bottom, to look at pick apart. You should be able to copy it and paste it from the clipboard in Max. It shows one way to do the bpm to millisecond conversion and how you might apply that to "tapin~" and "tapout~". Rick Williamson max v2; #N vpatcher 7 91 790 558; #P origin -21 -69; #P newex 28 286 43 196617 timer; #B color 5; #P number 28 312 42 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P button 39 242 15 0; #P comment 59 236 77 196617 Clever way to report time between events; #P comment 334 290 56 196617 size tapin two beats; #P comment 607 257 142 196617 0.25 = one 16th note; #P comment 607 242 142 196617 16th note subdivision; #P number 501 265 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P number 553 265 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P newex 501 242 33 196617 * 1.5; #P newex 553 242 39 196617 * 2.25; #P number 447 265 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P newex 447 242 33 196617 * 0.75; #P number 447 219 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P message 293 50 26 196617 240; #P message 264 50 26 196617 210; #P message 235 50 26 196617 180; #P message 206 50 26 196617 150; #P message 177 50 26 196617 120; #P message 154 50 20 196617 90; #P message 131 50 20 196617 60; #P message 108 50 20 196617 30; #P message 19 184 14 196617 0; #P newex 19 162 30 196617 sel 0; #P newex 326 197 27 196617 / 2; #P comment 219 138 142 196617 milliseconds per beat; #P number 164 137 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P number 164 85 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P newex 164 109 50 196617 !/ 60000; #P toggle 119 133 15 0; #P newex 119 160 55 196617 metro 500; #P newex 118 412 108 196617 dac~; #P message 118 376 65 196617 startwindow; #P message 189 376 27 196617 stop; #P comment 119 360 70 196617 ¥ start audio; #P newex 216 297 39 196617 *~ 0.2; #P toggle 216 216 15 0; #P newex 238 187 59 196617 cycle~ 440; #P newex 216 252 51 196617 selector~; #B color 4; #P comment 178 217 35 196617 on/off; #P comment 263 229 45 196617 signal in; #P comment 226 270 78 196617 gated signal out; #P newex 326 361 163 196617 tapout~ 375 750 1125; #P newex 326 326 55 196617 tapin~ 500; #P flonum 471 119 112 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P newex 471 93 84 196617 expr 60000/$f1; #P number 326 270 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P number 326 222 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P newex 326 244 50 196617 !/ 60000; #P comment 207 86 100 196617 beats per minuet; #P fasten 20 0 26 0 124 153 24 153; #P connect 26 0 27 0; #P connect 47 0 49 0; #P connect 49 0 48 0; #P connect 19 0 47 0; #P connect 47 0 49 1; #P connect 7 2 18 0; #P connect 7 0 18 0; #P connect 17 0 18 0; #P connect 16 0 18 0; #P connect 20 0 19 0; #P connect 35 0 22 0; #P connect 34 0 22 0; #P connect 33 0 22 0; #P connect 32 0 22 0; #P connect 31 0 22 0; #P connect 30 0 22 0; #P connect 29 0 22 0; #P connect 28 0 22 0; #P connect 22 0 21 0; #P connect 21 0 23 0; #P connect 23 0 19 1; #P connect 19 0 13 0; #P fasten 27 0 13 0 24 205 221 205; #P connect 13 0 11 0; #P connect 11 0 14 0; #P connect 14 0 18 1; #P connect 7 1 18 1; #P fasten 12 0 11 1 243 228 262 228; #P fasten 22 0 25 0 169 103 331 103; #P connect 25 0 2 0; #P connect 2 0 1 0; #P connect 1 0 3 0; #P connect 14 0 6 0; #P connect 3 0 6 0; #P fasten 38 0 7 0 452 346 331 346; #P connect 6 0 7 0; #P fasten 42 0 7 1 506 351 407 351; #P fasten 23 0 36 0 169 157 452 157; #P connect 36 0 37 0; #P connect 37 0 38 0; #P connect 4 0 5 0; #P fasten 41 0 7 2 558 355 483 355; #P connect 36 0 40 0; #P connect 40 0 42 0; #P connect 36 0 39 0; #P connect 39 0 41 0; #P pop; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 30 20:17:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46CC43BF10; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <380-2200610130201133170@earthlink.net> References: <380-2200610130201133170@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <937224744b61174a88dc32f7578a1021@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:16:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Very nice, Rick...! Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Oct 30, 2006, at 12:11 PM, r.d.w.i.v@earthlink.net wrote: > > Per, > > Here's an example patch, at the bottom, to look at pick apart. > You should be able to copy it and paste it from the clipboard in Max. > > It shows one way to do the bpm to millisecond conversion and how you=20= > might > apply that to > "tapin~" and "tapout~". > > Rick Williamson > > max v2; > #N vpatcher 7 91 790 558; > #P origin -21 -69; > #P newex 28 286 43 196617 timer; > #B color 5; > #P number 28 312 42 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P button 39 242 15 0; > #P comment 59 236 77 196617 Clever way to report time between events; > #P comment 334 290 56 196617 size tapin two beats; > #P comment 607 257 142 196617 0.25 =3D one 16th note; > #P comment 607 242 142 196617 16th note subdivision; > #P number 501 265 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P number 553 265 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 501 242 33 196617 * 1.5; > #P newex 553 242 39 196617 * 2.25; > #P number 447 265 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 447 242 33 196617 * 0.75; > #P number 447 219 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P message 293 50 26 196617 240; > #P message 264 50 26 196617 210; > #P message 235 50 26 196617 180; > #P message 206 50 26 196617 150; > #P message 177 50 26 196617 120; > #P message 154 50 20 196617 90; > #P message 131 50 20 196617 60; > #P message 108 50 20 196617 30; > #P message 19 184 14 196617 0; > #P newex 19 162 30 196617 sel 0; > #P newex 326 197 27 196617 / 2; > #P comment 219 138 142 196617 milliseconds per beat; > #P number 164 137 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P number 164 85 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 164 109 50 196617 !/ 60000; > #P toggle 119 133 15 0; > #P newex 119 160 55 196617 metro 500; > #P newex 118 412 108 196617 dac~; > #P message 118 376 65 196617 startwindow; > #P message 189 376 27 196617 stop; > #P comment 119 360 70 196617 =A5 start audio; > #P newex 216 297 39 196617 *~ 0.2; > #P toggle 216 216 15 0; > #P newex 238 187 59 196617 cycle~ 440; > #P newex 216 252 51 196617 selector~; > #B color 4; > #P comment 178 217 35 196617 on/off; > #P comment 263 229 45 196617 signal in; > #P comment 226 270 78 196617 gated signal out; > #P newex 326 361 163 196617 tapout~ 375 750 1125; > #P newex 326 326 55 196617 tapin~ 500; > #P flonum 471 119 112 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 471 93 84 196617 expr 60000/$f1; > #P number 326 270 49 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P number 326 222 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; > #P newex 326 244 50 196617 !/ 60000; > #P comment 207 86 100 196617 beats per minuet; > #P fasten 20 0 26 0 124 153 24 153; > #P connect 26 0 27 0; > #P connect 47 0 49 0; > #P connect 49 0 48 0; > #P connect 19 0 47 0; > #P connect 47 0 49 1; > #P connect 7 2 18 0; > #P connect 7 0 18 0; > #P connect 17 0 18 0; > #P connect 16 0 18 0; > #P connect 20 0 19 0; > #P connect 35 0 22 0; > #P connect 34 0 22 0; > #P connect 33 0 22 0; > #P connect 32 0 22 0; > #P connect 31 0 22 0; > #P connect 30 0 22 0; > #P connect 29 0 22 0; > #P connect 28 0 22 0; > #P connect 22 0 21 0; > #P connect 21 0 23 0; > #P connect 23 0 19 1; > #P connect 19 0 13 0; > #P fasten 27 0 13 0 24 205 221 205; > #P connect 13 0 11 0; > #P connect 11 0 14 0; > #P connect 14 0 18 1; > #P connect 7 1 18 1; > #P fasten 12 0 11 1 243 228 262 228; > #P fasten 22 0 25 0 169 103 331 103; > #P connect 25 0 2 0; > #P connect 2 0 1 0; > #P connect 1 0 3 0; > #P connect 14 0 6 0; > #P connect 3 0 6 0; > #P fasten 38 0 7 0 452 346 331 346; > #P connect 6 0 7 0; > #P fasten 42 0 7 1 506 351 407 351; > #P fasten 23 0 36 0 169 157 452 157; > #P connect 36 0 37 0; > #P connect 37 0 38 0; > #P connect 4 0 5 0; > #P fasten 41 0 7 2 558 355 483 355; > #P connect 36 0 40 0; > #P connect 40 0 42 0; > #P connect 36 0 39 0; > #P connect 39 0 41 0; > #P pop; > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 01:02:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E060C3BED9; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:02:10 +0000 Subject: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb8iDFUcCjIdmh7EduAHAAKlaVu8g== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3245101332_8723633" Resent-Message-ID: <45NBp.A.qn.VCqRFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:02:13 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3245101332_8723633 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello to all you loopers, I=B9ve been trying to build up my guitar rig for a while and have gathered a few effects boxes and rack units along the way. I need a way to connect it all together such that whatever combination I come up with I can save as a preset. Does anyone know of a small (rack sized) 8 to 12 channel, 2 or 4 bu= s mixer that has MIDI scene recall? I would prefer this to one of the many guitar oriented =8Cmatrix=B9 type units available (such as the Switchblade, Max1, G-System, etc.) How do you control your setup? Any feedback greatly appreciated. Thanks, Greg --B_3245101332_8723633 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Mixer with MIDI scene recall Hello= to all you loopers,

I’ve been trying to build up my guitar rig for a while and have gathe= red a few effects boxes and rack units along the way. I need a way to connec= t it all together such that whatever combination I come up with I can save a= s a preset. Does anyone know of a small (rack sized) 8 to 12 channel, 2 or 4= bus mixer that has MIDI scene recall? I would prefer this to one of the man= y guitar oriented ‘matrix’ type units available (such as the Swi= tchblade, Max1, G-System, etc.) How do you control your setup?

Any feedback greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Greg

 --B_3245101332_8723633-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 01:32:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7B53BEDC; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20061030115754.01ace4d0@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:31:38 +0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:32:16 +0000 (UTC) At 12:53 PM +0000 10/30/06, a k butler wrote: > >........BUT >It doesn't have the "support base" here that MAX has :-) Yeah, but the available user base is no less warped than the MAX user base. I grabbed a copy last year to check out as a replacement host for Ableton, and remember being impressed by the number of off-the-wall "alternate" controllers (Powerglove, handheld game controllers, video, etc.) for which people were programming and publishing interfaces, for instance. Smaller, but no less interesting... --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 01:54:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC40F3BEE4; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:53:26 +0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:54:07 +0000 (UTC) At 1:02 AM +0000 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: > >I've been trying to build up my guitar rig for a while and have >gathered a few effects boxes and rack units along the way. I need a >way to connect it all together such that whatever combination I come >up with I can save as a preset. Does anyone know of a small (rack >sized) 8 to 12 channel, 2 or 4 bus mixer that has MIDI scene recall? >I would prefer this to one of the many guitar oriented 'matrix' type >units available (such as the Switchblade, Max1, G-System, etc.) Well, I think I've posted about it previously (check the archives for full details) but there's the old Simmons SPM 8:2 from circa 1987. Essentials: 8 single channels with pan, 3-band parametric EQ, two mono effect sends/returns, MIDI scene recall (can fade between presets), unbalanced 1/4" inputs and stereo main outs, and some limited effects (panning and filtering using envelope or LFO). Pros: compact (1U rackmount); 128 MIDI-recallable presets/scenes; cheap (~$50 - $100) on ebay; filter effect uses the same CEM chip found in many analog (Oberheim) synthesizers; extremely feature-laden. Cons: earlier software revisions can be a bit noisy (version 4 was the last official, and quietest, rev); older unit so no support; fidelity is a little less than more modern units (response starts to drop off around ~15k, so it's okay for straight guitar/bass and many voices -- less so for instruments requiring a wider frequency range); programming can be more than a bit tedious(!); program dumps are only to tape, with no official MIDI support for that. Also, with regard to the fidelity issue, I've a suspicion that much of that -- as well as the noise issues -- could be solved by replacing the older op-amps with more modern chips. However, I haven't found a bench tech willing to do that on mine yet. --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 02:01:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F28A3BEE0; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:01:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb8kH48vOdCzGiDEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Hey mech, thanks for your input. I was kind of hoping there would be something a little more recent than 1987! Fidelity is an important factor for me, although some of my gear is not that recent I would prefer the final output to be as clear as possible. The filtering sounds interesting though, love the analogue filter sound. Greg > At 1:02 AM +0000 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: >> >> I've been trying to build up my guitar rig for a while and have >> gathered a few effects boxes and rack units along the way. I need a >> way to connect it all together such that whatever combination I come >> up with I can save as a preset. Does anyone know of a small (rack >> sized) 8 to 12 channel, 2 or 4 bus mixer that has MIDI scene recall? >> I would prefer this to one of the many guitar oriented 'matrix' type >> units available (such as the Switchblade, Max1, G-System, etc.) > > Well, I think I've posted about it previously (check the archives for > full details) but there's the old Simmons SPM 8:2 from circa 1987. > > Essentials: 8 single channels with pan, 3-band parametric EQ, two > mono effect sends/returns, MIDI scene recall (can fade between > presets), unbalanced 1/4" inputs and stereo main outs, and some > limited effects (panning and filtering using envelope or LFO). > > Pros: compact (1U rackmount); 128 MIDI-recallable presets/scenes; > cheap (~$50 - $100) on ebay; filter effect uses the same CEM chip > found in many analog (Oberheim) synthesizers; extremely feature-laden. > > Cons: earlier software revisions can be a bit noisy (version 4 was > the last official, and quietest, rev); older unit so no support; > fidelity is a little less than more modern units (response starts to > drop off around ~15k, so it's okay for straight guitar/bass and many > voices -- less so for instruments requiring a wider frequency range); > programming can be more than a bit tedious(!); program dumps are only > to tape, with no official MIDI support for that. > > Also, with regard to the fidelity issue, I've a suspicion that much > of that -- as well as the noise issues -- could be solved by > replacing the older op-amps with more modern chips. However, I > haven't found a bench tech willing to do that on mine yet. > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 04:22:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D15C3BEDB; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:21:56 +0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:22:35 +0000 (UTC) At 2:01 AM +0000 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: >Hey mech, thanks for your input. I was kind of hoping there would be >something a little more recent than 1987! Yeah, I wish there were more things out there as well. There are still a lot of really cool things to be done with MIDI, but with a few exceptions (Numerology, for example), it seems as if most of the development dollars were spent during the late-80's or early-90's when there was more of a "gee-whiz" factor to MIDI. Heck, two of the hands-down best MIDI foot controllers -- the Digitech PMC-10 & Lake Butler Midi Mitigator -- both came and went by the middle of the 90's. That's not to mention all your cool little widgets like merge boxes, breath control, arpeggiators, data filers, etc. MIDI scene control is something that was popular for a millisecond, then got passed by when people started flashing onto realtime control via computer. What happens when you don't want to take your computer onstage, however? To be fair, there are also a couple of other full-blown digital mixers that allow scene selection and control (Yamaha made a couple, IIRC), but I can't think of any others that are a 1U rackmount. >Fidelity is an important factor >for me, although some of my gear is not that recent I would prefer the final >output to be as clear as possible. Oh, I understand completely. I've currently got four of the SPM 8:2's (we used to use them as submixers in the studio, before passing a feed along to the main board). Yet I'm not really using any of them actively right now, simply because of that bandwidth issue. Most of the instruments I'm dealing with now as well require a fuller frequency response than you could get away with a decade ago. I'm still hopeful that the problems are predominantly in the older op-amps. I'd also like to see what it would take to convert them to balanced outputs as well. I'll post if I can ever find anyone to do a modification to update those issues. Given the current selling price, these are a fantastic bargain if you can get around the loss at the top end. And their enhanced functionality would more than justify the cost of having them modified. >The filtering sounds interesting though, love the analogue filter sound. Oh yeah, the filtering is very cool. You can have the LFO free-running sweeping the low-pass filter up and down, or else you can use the envelope follower to track the incoming volume on a track (sort of like an auto-wah). Likewise, you can alternatively do the same with the panning. You can auto-pan a track from side to side, or you can have the relative loudness of a source control where in the stereo field it's placed (beware: this can cause motion sickness ;) The effect settings, BTW, are individual from track to track, so you can auto-pan one track while envelope tracking the filter on another, for instance. As well, you can likewise get some very interesting effects by fading between two MIDI scenes. Change only a single parameter (like EQ, or effects) between two scenes, for example, and you can get a morph effect as the parameters change. Overall, extremely cool feature-wise. Just wish I could get over the fidelity hump. :P --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 05:37:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E32B3BED9; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ca01c6fcae$9da43010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Stanosauros: World's Loudest Live Looper? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:37:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Stan Card, the man, wrote: "so i profusely apologise to Rick for making things uncomfortable loudness wise. (those low frequencys need a lotta ampage!)" Dear Stan, I loved the music you made at the festival...........the sounds were unbelievably beautiful. My poor ears couldn't take it in the room but I stood outside the venue and loved what I heard. I'm being really sincere when I say this. I also get that you can get these sounds no other way so I know what you are going for. You make Glen Branca look like a friggin' cub scout.............lol!!!!! So, I felt really terrible asking you to turn down...........I don't ever like to do that but to confess to you, we didn't have an official permit to do the festival because I was certain that the overcontrolling SC police department would never give us a permit to play until midnight (or else riots would ensue with minors being raped by overzealous live looping artists). We just had to play that long to accomodate all the artists this year so I took the risk of trying to avoid an official complaint from some of the other tenants in the building who were having business hours (and who have been crabby in the past). I knew that just one complaint to the police department by tenants of the building would result in us losing at least the late night slots if not the whole festival so I took the risk of asking you to turn down. In the front the plate glass in the windows was wobbling so badly from those beautiful bass tones of yours that we were afraid they were going to shatter. Besides, your famous roady roared his approval when I lied and said the cops had already come (and later, I heard that he suspected I was telling a cream colored lie). So, my main man.............thanks so much for playing.........................keep being uncompromising in your artistry and Blue Cheer..........................move over guys, there's a new sound lord in town. Please forgive me................I love your music; always have and always will remain a big Stanosauros fan. love, Rick (who is just now recovering from the whole wonderfully creative, fun (and sometimes vexing) festival) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 12:34:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585823BED5; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 31 Oct 2006 12:36:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20061031123637.3504.qmail@webmail4.knology.net> From: "D Montgomery" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mixer with MIDI scene recall References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Dec 2003 Release X-IPAddress: 70.153.43.166 X-Sender: dmont@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7PiaT.A.8GB.KL0RFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Greg; I use an old Peavey PLM8128 MIDI controlled line mixer, ancient-o-days and kinda' noisy, but usable. Have you looked into the Yamaha 01 or 02 digitals? Dan Montgomery www.fixedfocus.org ==================== -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Hello to all you loopers, I’ve been trying to build up my guitar rig for a while and have gathered a few effects boxes and rack units along the way. I need a way to connect it all together such that whatever combination I come up with I can save as a preset. Does anyone know of a small (rack sized) 8 to 12 channel, 2 or 4 bus mixer that has MIDI scene recall? I would prefer this to one of the many guitar oriented ‘matrix’ type units available (such as the Switchblade, Max1, G-System, etc.) How do you control your setup? Any feedback greatly appreciated. Thanks, Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 13:40:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4833B3BEDB; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c2501c6fcf1$e9570530$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> <732f2f6f6d841e1b5514998faf89ca1c@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Y2K6 Festival and more..... Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:38:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2006 13:40:39.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[275A43B0:01C6FCF2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:40:46 +0000 (UTC) I think it has been a very big event ! I'm downloading and listening to every single mp3 file and....there are a lot of interesting musical approaches. At this moment, i like the performance of Kris+Rick and of Per. Miro is interesting (my compliments !) and i like the Peters/Wagner/Bearpark "kiber session" too ! Great sounds, people ! Those clips are so interesting because are giving me new ideas about different approaches to looping; that's why - even if i wasn't there - i want to thank Rich who made possible this event. I'm looking forward to new clips and photos. Ciao Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:38 AM Subject: Y2K6 Festival and more..... Working through the discs that were procured during the festival....great stuff! I've listened to Per Boysen's Abstract Experimental Yet Catchy (that is a title, not a review) a couple of times now...wonderful. And Miro's has been listened to numerous times...great stuff! And so far, only two discs....looking forward to the rest. It was so much fun hanging out with these folks from all over the world.... Again, Rick!!! Great job. I feel like I've just recovered, I can only imagine what you must feel like.... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 13:43:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028953BECF; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:43:25 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-reply-to: <8390393.1162267670278.JavaMail.root@m23> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4546017D.9080509@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <8390393.1162267670278.JavaMail.root@m23> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:43:54 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > At 1:02 AM +0000 10/31/06, Greg Mills wrote: > >> ...Does anyone know of a small (rack sized) 8 to 12 channel, 2 or 4 >> bus mixer that has MIDI scene recall? I would prefer this to one of >> the many guitar oriented 'matrix' type units available (such as the >> Switchblade, Max1, G-System, etc.) > > Well, I think I've posted about it previously (check the archives for > full details) but there's the old Simmons SPM 8:2 from circa 1987. This unit is not universally appreciated: Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 14:47:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 272723BEB6; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FZMRGSg2y472sStMNORWqsIs3Ov6xyWNY7C20P6FvuzMuSSVhU2UxbjmmL7upsjxw2WPSSb/8C3YH5c0LTvuZSNtkeiUSsUgh4Ot6fHMFCjAX/FMnRg6ZFi0XQOqUC55jK+bQ8w8xRUxVXQbTfyfIjTgbezcawzSAr9xIhY7BHw= ; Message-ID: <20061031144706.72176.qmail@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:47:06 -0800 (PST) From: TwistedLefty Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-345225139-1162306026=:68432" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6pXSNC.A.baE.rH2RFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:47:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-345225139-1162306026=:68432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-345225139-1162306026=:68432-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 15:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 411AA3BEF3; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: calling steve burnett Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:01:05 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: enat21213@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C8CB1486017C26_AB8_13E00_MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 21462 Message-Id: <8C8CB148603DE79-AB8-A9F2@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:01:17 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C8CB1486017C26_AB8_13E00_MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" steve's personal address seems to be down....... just wanted let him know i'll be coming to raleigh this fri. to perform a set at kirk adam gallery. anyone else in the area? Kirk Adam Gallery 919 601 3131 www.myspace.com/KirkAdam 107 W Hargett St., Raleigh NC 27601 inside the Father & Son Antiques Bldg. brian electric bird noise myspace.com/electricbirdnoise nomorestarsrecords.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ----------MB_8C8CB1486017C26_AB8_13E00_MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
 steve's personal address seems to be down.......

just wanted let him know i'll be coming to raleigh this fri. to perform a set at kirk adam gallery.

anyone else in the area?

Kirk Adam Gallery
919 601 3131
www.myspace.com/KirkAdam
107 W Hargett St., Raleigh NC 27601
inside the Father & Son Antiques Bldg.

brian
electric bird noise

myspace.com/electricbirdnoise
nomorestarsrecords.com
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----------MB_8C8CB1486017C26_AB8_13E00_MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 15:13:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B701C3BEFA; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:14:30 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] calling steve burnett In-Reply-To: <8C8CB148603DE79-AB8-A9F2@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <8C8CB148603DE79-AB8-A9F2@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:13:55 +0000 (UTC) I don't know what address you wrote to, but I've been receiving mail steadily. Sorry if there were any problems. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > steve's personal address seems to be down....... > > just wanted let him know i'll be coming to raleigh this fri. to perform a set at kirk adam gallery. > > anyone else in the area? > > Kirk Adam Gallery > 919 601 3131 > www.myspace.com/KirkAdam > 107 W Hargett St., Raleigh NC 27601 > inside the Father & Son Antiques Bldg. > > brian > electric bird noise > > myspace.com/electricbirdnoise > nomorestarsrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 15:17:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55C5D3BF00; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <45476337.5090206@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:52:39 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MAX/msp question References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B82C@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B82C@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > but I cannot imagine implementing them by drawing pictures > in Max. But I look forward to the Max-o-philes telling me I'm wrong :-) Its called crossfade, you fade the end out while fading the beginning in. Very possible in Max. You just need to think about times. Your loop has to be longer by the crossfade time... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 16:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0BAD3BEE4; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b0701c6fd0b$7a8fcd70$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00ca01c6fcae$9da43010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Stanosauros: World's Loudest Live Looper? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:41:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Don't worry...when I master your soundclip...folks can blast it through their stereos at 120db, or turn it down to mouse-like volumes. :) K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Stanosauros: World's Loudest Live Looper? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 16:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FA63BEF5; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b3f01c6fd0b$d72f32a0$6eb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20061027100115.latbc7bcn44g4scs@webmail.bluefrog.com> <49affd277db3a9d05661f227949255c9@pfmentum.com> <76E7F824-FDD5-4203-99A6-7D877A1ED94F@gmail.com> <4d85628ea5ddfd797865778654554b86@pfmentum.com> <732f2f6f6d841e1b5514998faf89ca1c@pfmentum.com> <0c2501c6fcf1$e9570530$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Y2K6 Festival and more..... Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:44:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Fabio. We really missed you at the event...next time, my friend. I had fun playing with everyone...the set of Rick and I was really interesting for me and we had some fun with the audience....I had no idea Rick could scat like that! :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Y2K6 Festival and more..... >I think it has been a very big event ! > I'm downloading and listening to every single mp3 file and....there are a > lot of interesting musical approaches. > At this moment, i like the performance of Kris+Rick and of Per. > Miro is interesting (my compliments !) and i like the > Peters/Wagner/Bearpark "kiber session" too ! > Great sounds, people ! > Those clips are so interesting because are giving me new ideas about > different approaches to looping; > that's why - even if i wasn't there - i want to thank Rich who made > possible this event. > I'm looking forward to new clips and photos. > Ciao > > Fabio > http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ > http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:38 AM > Subject: Y2K6 Festival and more..... > > > Working through the discs that were procured during the > festival....great stuff! > > I've listened to Per Boysen's Abstract Experimental Yet Catchy (that is > a title, not a review) a couple of times now...wonderful. > > And Miro's has been listened to numerous times...great stuff! > > And so far, only two discs....looking forward to the rest. It was so > much fun hanging out with these folks from all over the world.... > > Again, Rick!!! Great job. > > I feel like I've just recovered, I can only imagine what you must feel > like.... > > best, > Jeff > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 17:43:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA7653BEB6; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4546017D.9080509@soundscapes.us> References: <8390393.1162267670278.JavaMail.root@m23> <4546017D.9080509@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:42:37 +0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:43:14 +0000 (UTC) At 8:43 AM -0500 10/30/06, Bill Fox wrote: >mech wrote: >> >>Well, I think I've posted about it previously (check the archives >>for full details) but there's the old Simmons SPM 8:2 from circa >>1987. > >This unit is not universally appreciated: > Yeah Bill, I've seen that review previously. Some parts are spot-on, but others are way off in left field. Starting at the end and moving up, I'll agree completely that the user interface leaves a good deal to be desired. Although I've done the exact same button-pushing error and lost edits in exactly the same manner... exactly twice in ~20 years. Honestly, it's a pain and I was screaming at the little @#$%!'s when it did it -- make no mistake. But after you've been burned by it, you don't do it again. You punch the button with two fingers *hard* and wonder if you're going to actually break the front panel (I've not yet; yes, I'm shocked) but you bloody well don't lose edits from that point forward. And I've never really had problems with tweaking the knobs unless I mounted the unit sandwiched between two other larger units (and I've got pretty big hands). What *is* a problem is adjusting the channel gain attenuation on the SPM's rear panel if you've already mounted it in a rack wired up all the 1/4" jacks. It's a little easier if you unplug the channel next to the one you're setting up though. Luckily the gain attenuation is pretty much "set & forget" once you've finally(!) gotten it right. However, I'll readily admit the UI is *not* the high point on the box. The 'rumble' problem I've no clue about. Generally, any noise from the unit is a sign of improper gain staging (I think I might've gone into this in some detail in a previous post). But we're mostly talking about channel hiss, not 'rumble' (???). Not feeding it enough signal is also going to exacerbate the frequency curve problem I mentioned previously. And zipper noise? I could understand zipper noise were there any way to control it via MIDI continuous controller, but MIDI CC isn't supported. I thought I remembered hearing there were some small problems with software revision 1 (maybe there was some zipper noise on its initial release?). All mine are on revs 2, 3, or 4, though, so no problems here. Otherwise, that's a new one. Also, I've never experienced overheating on any of the four units I've got. Sure, they get warm, but I've left 'em on for days at a time and they don't get warmer than any other unit -- about as warm as our old Eventide H3000 used to get, IIRC. I really think Nick got hold of a defective unit (is this the same Nick from the Different Skies list?). I mean, the SPM 8:2 ain't perfect by any means. Otherwise, they'd still be in my front-of-house setup, rather than a couple of my supporting racks. However, its typical problems -- and, as I mentioned previously, it's not without some problems -- are rather different from what he seems to have run into here. --m. -- _______ "No more building up; it is time to dissolve..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 19:46:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E0A83BEB8; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4547A7F5.6050903@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:45:57 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: cpr@musetrap.com Subject: LD Ninjam server, Mk1 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000407060804030201040809" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:46:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000407060804030201040809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm waiting on some info from Kim before we can set up the "official" Ninjam server, but in order to start making some music ASAP, I'm going to pass on cpr's suggestion that we just use the Kyberfest server that he has graciously left running: host address: 207.44.142.117:2050 user: privuser passwd: notsospecial No, there's no stream as yet, so consider this to be in the "rehearsal space" category, not yet the "public performance" category. For chatting that needs to happen in regards to getting things set up, I'd also suggest we use the simple chatroom which, again most graciously, cpr has left up. http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/et-chat-v2.0a/ And for the calendar, which can be used to book the space for scheduled sessions, here's a Google one which Os created: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=0cas4g7igp0o8fg0aa0er14pgc%40group.calendar.google.com For any calendar additions, for now send them to me and I'll put 'em in. Any time which is unspoken-for is public time for anyone to use (I don't think there's anything on the calendar yet, so just go for it!). Now, for any Ninjam newbies: - you're gonna need a computer. - that same computer needs a way for your music to get into it, if it's not there already, with as low latency as possible (ASIO drivers work well and are easily downloadable - I used http://www.asio4all.com/) - since you're reading this, you're on the Net; your connection should be DSL quality (300kbps download, 60kbps upload or so) - after the above is taken care of, go to www.ninjam.com and download the client software (available for Mac or PC). It's not too difficult to set up, but any questions can be directed towards me or to... THE KYBERFEST LIST I'm going to strongly suggest that, for discussions regarding Ninjam sessions, tech issues, scheduling, or spontaneous playing, people join the Kyberfest Yahoo group which Rainer set up. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/kyberloopfest/ This'll reduce the traffic on the LD list and will create a focused atmosphere for this thing. Again, we owe the use of this server to cpr, and of course Rainer's setup of the Kyberfest which got so many of us interested in this technology. There are things to be worked out and discussed, of course, but for now let's see how it goes and most importantly, make some music! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --------------000407060804030201040809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm waiting on some info from Kim before we can set up the "official" Ninjam server, but in order to start making some music ASAP, I'm going to pass on cpr's suggestion that we just use the Kyberfest server that he has graciously left running:

    host address: 207.44.142.117:2050
    user: privuser
    passwd: notsospecial

No, there's no stream as yet, so consider this to be in the "rehearsal space" category, not yet the "public performance" category.

For chatting that needs to happen in regards to getting things set up, I'd also suggest we use the simple chatroom which, again most graciously, cpr has left up.
 
http://www.y2k6loopfest.com/et-chat-v2.0a/

And for the calendar, which can be used to book the space for scheduled sessions, here's a Google one which Os created:

http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=0cas4g7igp0o8fg0aa0er14pgc%40group.calendar.google.com

For any calendar additions, for now send them to me and I'll put 'em in. Any time which is unspoken-for is public time for anyone to use (I don't think there's anything on the calendar yet, so just go for it!).

Now, for any Ninjam newbies:

- you're gonna need a computer.
- that same computer needs a way for your music to get into it, if it's not there already, with as low latency as possible (ASIO drivers work well and are easily downloadable - I used http://www.asio4all.com/)
- since you're reading this, you're on the Net; your connection should be DSL quality (300kbps download, 60kbps upload or so)
- after the above is taken care of, go to www.ninjam.com and download the client software (available for Mac or PC). It's not too difficult to set up, but any questions can be directed towards me or to...

THE KYBERFEST LIST

I'm going to strongly suggest that, for discussions regarding Ninjam sessions, tech issues, scheduling, or spontaneous playing, people join the Kyberfest Yahoo group which Rainer set up. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/kyberloopfest/  This'll reduce the traffic on the LD list and will create a focused atmosphere for this thing.

Again, we owe the use of this server to cpr, and of course Rainer's setup of the Kyberfest which got so many of us interested in this technology. There are things to be worked out and discussed, of course, but for now let's see how it goes and most importantly, make some music!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

--------------000407060804030201040809-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 20:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53BCF3BEF0; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:03:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb9J6PI4rAe5WkaEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <20061031123637.3504.qmail@webmail4.knology.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi Don, that one rang a bell, I did have a favourite search set in ebay for the 8128. I've re-enabled it cause it looks just the ticket. Seems there ar= e plenty stateside, but I'm not sure I'll see many here in the UK. What are your experiences of the unit? Cheers, Greg >=20 > Hello, Greg; > I use an old Peavey PLM8128 MIDI controlled line mixer, ancient-o-days an= d > kinda' noisy, but usable. Have you looked into the Yamaha 01 or 02 > digitals? >=20 >=20 > Dan Montgomery > www.fixedfocus.org > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Mixer with MIDI scene recall >=20 >=20 > Hello to all you loopers, >=20 > I=B9ve been trying to build up my guitar rig for a while and have gathered = a > few effects boxes and rack units along the way. I need a way to connect i= t > all together such that whatever combination I come up with I can save as = a > preset. Does anyone know of a small (rack sized) 8 to 12 channel, 2 or 4 > bus mixer that has MIDI scene recall? I would prefer this to one of the > many guitar oriented =8Cmatrix=B9 type units available (such as the > Switchblade, Max1, G-System, etc.) How do you control your setup? >=20 > Any feedback greatly appreciated. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Greg >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 21:42:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004923BEDC; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: MAX/msp question Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:42:20 -0600 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <45476337.5090206@addcom.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MAX/msp question thread-index: Acb8/53nJNCfxs+pQH2ck+4beRqVEgAKCruA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de]=20 > Jeff Larson wrote: > > but I cannot imagine implementing them by drawing pictures > > in Max. But I look forward to the Max-o-philes telling me I'm wrong :-) > Its called crossfade, you fade the end out while fading the beginning=20 > in. Very possible in Max. You just need to think about times. Your loop=20 > has to be longer by the crossfade time... Yes, I know about crossfade. But saying something is possible in Max is like saying something is possible in C. Lots of things are possible, but that doesn't mean they're easy, or that anyone will ever do them. A looper with the complexity of something like an EDP contains an enormous amount of logic, it isn't just data flow through a graph of connected objects. The thing I find most awkward in Max are all those places where "you just need to think". =20 Expressing complex logic by connecting graphical objects like =3D, +, <, &&, abs, etc. is excruciating. The next step of course is to start encoding logic in Javascript, but this requires greater technical skill. Javascript is not a good language for writing large scale applications, so eventually you need Java which is quite powerful, and requires even more skill. But it is difficult to debug because you're running inside a C application. Java programmers are accustomed to using tools where you can set breakpoints and browse the memory model. In Max you have to rely on trace messages which are very tedious. Or you could use C++ which is easier to debug, but at this point the audience is limited to hard core programmers, and a programmer is going to wonder whether to write something that will only run in Max, or do a bit more work and write a VST plugin or a standalone application that will run anywhere with no 3rd party entanglements. So, while I'm willing to believe that many things are theoretically possible in Max, I still maintain that you will never see a Looper that comes anywhere close to the complexity of the EDP written in Max. And I don't mean just a multi track looper with multiply and overdub. I mean unlimited undo, continuous feedback, MIDI synchronization, loop windowing, beat quantization, SwitchQuant, alternate endings, and a few hundred other things. I wait to be proven wrong :-) Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 21:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D50F3BEE9; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:51:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6FD0C.CB1FC690" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_zdSv.A.J8H.bU8RFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:50:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6FD0C.CB1FC690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Greg; 8 inputs (8 1/4", two XLR) with optional 20 db gain pad 3 aux sends monitor buss Stereo output buss crossfade time adjustment most controllers can be assigned to any MIDI controller ... and a few more points. Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without comment. ...or replacement. Market forces, maybe? I bought it from the bottom of a rack of used equipment at a local MI retailer. They thought it was a digital EQ. The 8128 was a very early MIDI unit and therefore has some ... eccentricities. For example, I'm confident that you know that MIDI controllers are set to a scale of 128 increments designated, conveniently enough, as either 0-127 or 1-128 depending on the manufacturer. The controls of the 8128 are on a scale of 0-100. Also, the internal memory is volatile and uses an onboard battery. If the battery is replaced, the unit will not even retain it VCA parameters and will require total recalibration. I just had mine done last year at the factory shop and they seemed amazed that there were still functional units in use. I've been having some contact issues with an output jack. The display can be difficult to read in some light conditions and is not adjustable. There is no 'MIDI Thru'. And, did I mention 'noisy'. I haven't measured it and it isn't too bad for most live venues, as the provided systems are noisy anyway. but, I wouldn't want to do any serious recording with it. Then again, there's no need to. And, I can't imagine not having it. I control it, a Digitech DSP256XL, my Repeater and Ableton from a Behringer 1010. You can see the rack here & here. Or, if you have a myspace login, their on my pix page. dm www.fixedfocus.org ============ -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Hi Don, that one rang a bell, I did have a favourite search set in ebay for the 8128. I've re-enabled it cause it looks just the ticket. Seems there are plenty stateside, but I'm not sure I'll see many here in the UK. What are your experiences of the unit? Cheers, Greg ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6FD0C.CB1FC690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, = Greg;
8 inputs (8 = 1/4", two XLR)=20 with optional 20 db gain pad
3 aux sends
monitor buss
Stereo = output=20 buss
crossfade time adjustment
most controllers can be assigned = to any=20 MIDI controller
... and a = few more=20 points.
Nice idea, I = don't know why=20 they dropped it.  ...years ago  ...without comment. ...or=20 replacement. 

Market forces, maybe?

I bought it from = the=20 bottom of a rack of used equipment at a local MI retailer.  They thought it was a digital=20 EQ.

The 8128 was a very early MIDI unit and = therefore has=20 some ... eccentricities.  For example, I'm confident that you know = that=20 MIDI controllers are set to a scale of 128 increments designated, conveniently enough, as either 0-127 = or 1-128=20 depending on the manufacturer. 
 
The controls = of the 8128 are=20 on a scale of 0-100.

Also, the internal memory is volatile and = uses an=20 onboard battery.  If the battery is replaced, the unit will not = even retain=20 it VCA parameters and will require total = recalibration. I=20 just had mine done last year at the factory shop and they seemed amazed = that=20 there were still functional units in use.

I've been having some = contact=20 issues with an output = jack.  The=20 display can be difficult to read in some light conditions and is not=20 adjustable.  There is no 'MIDI Thru'.  And, did I mention=20 'noisy'.  I haven't measured it and it isn't too bad for most live = venues,=20 as the provided systems are noisy anyway.  but, I wouldn't want to = do any=20 serious recording with it.  Then again, there's no need = to.
 
And, I can't = imagine not having=20 it.

I control it, a Digitech = DSP256XL, my=20 Repeater and Ableton from a Behringer=20 1010.  You can see the rack here & here.  Or, if you have a myspace = login,=20 their on my pix page.
 
 
dm

www.fixedfocus.org
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 



-----Original Message-----
From: Greg = Mills=20 [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent:=20 Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:04 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI = scene=20 recall


Hi Don, that one rang a bell, I did have a favourite = search=20 set in ebay for
the 8128. I've re-enabled it cause it looks just the = ticket.=20 Seems there are
plenty stateside, but I'm not sure I'll see many here = in the=20 UK. What are
your experiences of the = unit?

Cheers,
Greg=20
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C6FD0C.CB1FC690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 21:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 746763BEF8; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: "LD List" Subject: FW: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:56:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6FD0D.77FF2590" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4iONZB.A.Yp.9Y8RFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:55:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6FD0D.77FF2590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about the doubled post. -dm ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6FD0D.77FF2590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry = about the=20 doubled post.  = -dm
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C6FD0D.77FF2590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 22:23:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D88923BEE9; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:23:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb9OyHiYGHEn2kuEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3245178185_13303205" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:23:07 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3245178185_13303205 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey thanks Don, that=B9s very helpful. I=B9m amazed there aren=B9t more options when it comes to this type of mixer as well. I=B9ll keep an eye out for one, maybe I=B9ll get lucky. Greg >=20 > Hello, Greg; >> =20 >> 8 inputs (8 1/4", two XLR) with optional 20 db gain pad >> 3 aux sends >> monitor buss >> Stereo output buss >> crossfade time adjustment >> most controllers can be assigned to any MIDI controller >> =20 >> ... and a few more points. > Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without > comment. ...or replacement. >=20 > Market forces, maybe? >=20 > I bought it from the bottom of a rack of used equipment at a local MI > retailer. They thought it was a digital EQ. >=20 > The 8128 was a very early MIDI unit and therefore has some ... eccentrici= ties. > For example, I'm confident that you know that MIDI controllers are set to= a > scale of 128 increments designated, conveniently enough, as either 0-127 = or > 1-128 depending on the manufacturer. > =20 > The controls of the 8128 are on a scale of 0-100. >=20 > Also, the internal memory is volatile and uses an onboard battery. If th= e > battery is replaced, the unit will not even retain it VCA parameters and = will > require total recalibration. I just had mine done last year at the factor= y > shop and they seemed amazed that there were still functional units in use= . >=20 > I've been having some contact issues with an output jack. The display ca= n be > difficult to read in some light conditions and is not adjustable. There = is no > 'MIDI Thru'. And, did I mention 'noisy'. I haven't measured it and it i= sn't > too bad for most live venues, as the provided systems are noisy anyway. = but, > I wouldn't want to do any serious recording with it. Then again, there's= no > need to. > =20 > And, I can't imagine not having it. >=20 > I control it, a Digitech DSP256XL, my Repeater and Ableton from a Behring= er > 1010. You can see the rack here > & here > . Or, if you have a my= space > login, their on my pix page > endId=3D48235481&setonlinenow=3D1&setrsi=3D1&Mytoken=3DB6379403-643B-= 42F5- > B9419E5F2616638132177283> . > =20 > =20 > dm >=20 > www.fixedfocus.org > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk > ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall >=20 >=20 > Hi Don, that one rang a bell, I did have a favourite search set in ebay f= or > the 8128. I've re-enabled it cause it looks just the ticket. Seems there = are > plenty stateside, but I'm not sure I'll see many here in the UK. What are > your experiences of the unit? >=20 > Cheers, > Greg=20 >=20 --B_3245178185_13303205 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Hey t= hanks Don, that’s very helpful. I’m amazed there aren’t mo= re options when it comes to this type of mixer as well. I’ll keep an e= ye out for one, maybe I’ll get lucky.

Greg





Hello, Greg;

8 inputs (8 1/4", two XLR)  with optional 20 db gain pad
3 aux sends
monitor buss
Stereo output  buss
crossfade time adjustment
most controllers can be assigned to any  MIDI controller
 
... and a few more  points.
Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it.  ...= years ago  ...without comment. ...or replacement.

Market forces, maybe?

I bought it from the bottom of a rack of used equipment at a local MI retai= ler.  They thought it was a digital EQ.

The 8128 was a very early MIDI unit and therefore has some ... eccen= tricities.  For example, I'm confident that you know that MIDI controll= ers are set to a scale of 128 increments designated, conveniently enough, as= either 0-127 or 1-128 depending on the manufacturer.  
 
The controls of the 8128 are on a scale of 0-100.

Also, the internal memory is volatile and uses an onboard battery.  If= the battery is replaced, the unit will not even retain it VCA parameters an= d will require total recalibration. I just had mine done last year at= the factory shop and they seemed amazed that there were still functional un= its in use.

I've been having some contact issues with an output jack.  The display= can be difficult to read in some light conditions and is not adjustable. &n= bsp;There is no 'MIDI Thru'.  And, did I mention 'noisy'.  I haven= 't measured it and it isn't too bad for most live venues, as the provided sy= stems are noisy anyway.  but, I wouldn't want to do any serious recordi= ng with it.  Then again, there's no need to.
 
And, I can't imagine not having it.

I control it, a Digitech DSP256XL, my Repeater and Ableton from a Behringer= 1010.  You can see the rack here <http://www.fixedfocus.org/graphics/LightRig.JPG>=  & here <http://www.fixedfocus.org/graphics/LoopRack.JPG> .  Or, = if you have a myspace login, their on my pix page <http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=3Duser.vi= ewPicture&amp;friendId=3D48235481&amp;setonlinenow=3D1&amp;setrsi=3D1&= amp;amp;Mytoken=3DB6379403-643B-42F5-B9419E5F2616638132177283> .
 
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Mills [mailto:gregmi= lls@blueyonder.co.uk <mai= lto:gregmills@blueyonder.co.uk> ]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 3:04 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall


Hi Don, that one rang a bell, I did have a favourite search set in ebay for=
the 8128. I've re-enabled it cause it looks just the ticket. Seems there ar= e
plenty stateside, but I'm not sure I'll see many here in the UK. What are your experiences of the unit?

Cheers,
Greg


--B_3245178185_13303205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 22:29:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA7A63BEF5; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:29:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mixer with MIDI scene recall Thread-Index: Acb9PAWSREWrfmkvEduAHAAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <80EIOD.A.9kE.K58RFB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Mech, have I noticed you posting on the Looperlative forum? What do you think of the LP1? How does it compare to the EDP? I've been looking for a stereo looper for awhile, rather than another EDP. The LP1 looks nice, and would cost me about the same as two EDPs. Would be interested to hear your thoughts. Greg > At 8:43 AM -0500 10/30/06, Bill Fox wrote: >> mech wrote: >>> >>> Well, I think I've posted about it previously (check the archives >>> for full details) but there's the old Simmons SPM 8:2 from circa >>> 1987. >> >> This unit is not universally appreciated: >> > > Yeah Bill, I've seen that review previously. Some parts are spot-on, > but others are way off in left field. > > Starting at the end and moving up, I'll agree completely that the > user interface leaves a good deal to be desired. Although I've done > the exact same button-pushing error and lost edits in exactly the > same manner... exactly twice in ~20 years. Honestly, it's a pain and > I was screaming at the little @#$%!'s when it did it -- make no > mistake. But after you've been burned by it, you don't do it again. > You punch the button with two fingers *hard* and wonder if you're > going to actually break the front panel (I've not yet; yes, I'm > shocked) but you bloody well don't lose edits from that point forward. > > And I've never really had problems with tweaking the knobs unless I > mounted the unit sandwiched between two other larger units (and I've > got pretty big hands). What *is* a problem is adjusting the channel > gain attenuation on the SPM's rear panel if you've already mounted it > in a rack wired up all the 1/4" jacks. It's a little easier if you > unplug the channel next to the one you're setting up though. Luckily > the gain attenuation is pretty much "set & forget" once you've > finally(!) gotten it right. > > However, I'll readily admit the UI is *not* the high point on the box. > > The 'rumble' problem I've no clue about. Generally, any noise from > the unit is a sign of improper gain staging (I think I might've gone > into this in some detail in a previous post). But we're mostly > talking about channel hiss, not 'rumble' (???). Not feeding it > enough signal is also going to exacerbate the frequency curve problem > I mentioned previously. And zipper noise? I could understand zipper > noise were there any way to control it via MIDI continuous > controller, but MIDI CC isn't supported. I thought I remembered > hearing there were some small problems with software revision 1 > (maybe there was some zipper noise on its initial release?). All > mine are on revs 2, 3, or 4, though, so no problems here. Otherwise, > that's a new one. > > Also, I've never experienced overheating on any of the four units > I've got. Sure, they get warm, but I've left 'em on for days at a > time and they don't get warmer than any other unit -- about as warm > as our old Eventide H3000 used to get, IIRC. > > I really think Nick got hold of a defective unit (is this the same > Nick from the Different Skies list?). I mean, the SPM 8:2 ain't > perfect by any means. Otherwise, they'd still be in my > front-of-house setup, rather than a couple of my supporting racks. > However, its typical problems -- and, as I mentioned previously, it's > not without some problems -- are rather different from what he seems > to have run into here. > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 22:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBA063BEF5; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fDTaEs8JRVdjRvMjI7oVSB4W7qsdGcDNyqrG9FZCf26baMM1J7xc6oVuZkTGnNOOGKR09w7geiDL3x7waLkRikXsUh0WWXcx+L5rq8C4NTbKFtNGVvcFNrrzwX+8WiJ5zL7hPBsKba3H+5AbxoWKB1kAMul9HCnAGG8lSSO+X78= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:43:04 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer with MIDI scene recall In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Previously: > Nice idea, I don't know why they dropped it. ...years ago ...without > comment. ...or replacement. I wondered that myself. I still have a PLM8128 in my old bass rig, with the MidiBASE interface, the Spectrum Bass and the BassFex. Haven't turned it on for ages. I suppose I've kept it more for nostalgia than anything... There was an expansion for the PLM8128 that you could get - IIRC, you could even add two for a total of 24 channels. There once was a time... Doug (Hmmm, maybe I'll take that rig to next year's Different Skies. What do you think Bill?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 22:50:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 580113BEEC; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1162332160.4547c80051613@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:02:40 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MAX/msp question References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) but, building a max external to do the looping, with all the appropriate 'inlets/outlets' exposed, would do the trick for many people.. giving the max developer access to all paramters, as well as allowing audio to be modified pre and post... but, writing a robust looper in any programming environment isn't easy.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Jeff Larson : > From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > > Jeff Larson wrote: > > > but I cannot imagine implementing them by drawing pictures > > > in Max. But I look forward to the Max-o-philes telling me I'm wrong > :-) > > > Its called crossfade, you fade the end out while fading the beginning > > in. Very possible in Max. You just need to think about times. Your > loop > > has to be longer by the crossfade time... > > Yes, I know about crossfade. But saying something is possible in Max > is like saying something is possible in C. Lots of things are > possible, but that doesn't mean they're easy, or that anyone will ever > do them. > > A looper with the complexity of something like an EDP contains an > enormous amount of logic, it isn't just data flow through a graph of > connected objects. The thing I find most awkward in Max are all those > places where "you just need to think". > > Expressing complex logic by connecting graphical objects like =, +, <, > &&, abs, etc. is excruciating. The next step of course is to start > encoding logic in Javascript, but this requires greater technical > skill. Javascript is not a good language for writing large scale > applications, so eventually you need Java which is quite powerful, > and requires even more skill. But it is difficult to debug > because you're running inside a C application. Java programmers > are accustomed to using tools where you can set breakpoints and > browse the memory model. In Max you have to rely on trace messages > which are very tedious. > > Or you could use C++ which is easier to debug, but at this point the > audience is limited to hard core programmers, and a programmer is > going to wonder whether to write something that will only run in Max, > or do a bit more work and write a VST plugin or a standalone application > that will run anywhere with no 3rd party entanglements. > > So, while I'm willing to believe that many things are theoretically > possible in Max, I still maintain that you will never see a Looper > that comes anywhere close to the complexity of the EDP written in Max. > And I don't mean just a multi track looper with multiply and overdub. > I mean unlimited undo, continuous feedback, MIDI synchronization, > loop windowing, beat quantization, SwitchQuant, alternate endings, > and a few hundred other things. I wait to be proven wrong :-) > > Regards, > Jeff > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 23:52:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 116B33BEE6; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B0EgAnWNMIvy9dtdx/6mNbPiaCFqUO6NHyKbHinwhPhWWdsL+HRnX0fZJzp13ebjcy5mhuoJSW5HoWWXM8L5s+ZhhUi0+2eisc2yfLR6brFA06DRuXo5zPlZGxGcE3aoWoOuuEY+0+V87vVfcZuPPCH48+KIbXW/4SrUtgerbF4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B8CA467-F69F-4A51-AAAB-96AF4DAFC9FF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: RiffBox - anyone? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:52:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Has anyone picked up a RiffBox yet? Is it as good as it appears from the web site and users manual? http://www.backline-eng.com/page3.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 31 23:57:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 453C73BEE6; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1162332160.4547c80051613@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C13B8C2@keel.sailpoint.com> <1162332160.4547c80051613@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: MAX/msp question Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:47 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:57:52 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 31, 2006, at 4:02 PM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > but, building a max external to do the looping, with all the appropriate > 'inlets/outlets' exposed, would do the trick for many people.. Right. But the original question (I assumed) was whether you could do this without resorting to external coding, because once you do you're in a whole different league as far as the technical skills required. Once you're writing in C++, then the question is why even bother writing a Max external, just write a VST plugin and expose the necessary ports and parameters. Then it can be used in Live or Bidule, or anywhere else. I like Max, but it serves an odd market. People that would not be considered programmers can use it to build many wonderful things, but people that are programmers don't really need it. Like other "high level" languages, it makes easy things very easy, it makes medium things easy, and it makes hard things even harder :-) I think it would be exciting to take a system like Mobius or AmibiLoop and try to break the architecture down into smaller components that could each be built as a Max external, then use Max to wire them up in different ways. Who knows, maybe there will be someone with more free time than I do that wants to tackle that :-) But this is hard work, and anyone capable of doing that has to be committed to the Max Way Of Life, in addition to never expecting to get any money for it. Jeff