From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 00:02:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4475F3BEB8; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-reply-to:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=BdGKgQFduVbiJsZAiGhUV+/0PNfZtx21uu66q52I87T7/ztnWJI8cMB+bQ5xiZNhwRWVdsSa4Ivt1ViV/oBwz946oM57sE4kIHZ+opLmCs8SFgc3N5P6eJaObRuQnXTRS1zGW5qpP6QS3/md5gN4ePN//4phtLtuefy6zJl49Pk= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <24733980.1154388446911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: Aca0+PYTxKSBCA6rQRSA4ZYKVchuqwABHbeA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060801000200.04AFD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:02:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guitar rig: JamMan and EH2880 Bass rig: Headrush m http://www.twistedapplerecords.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guitar=20 rig: JamMan and EH2880
Bass=20 rig:  Headrush
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 00:46:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E0313BEB6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nisZJpr14MtRPoOqurmrR9tFyoxXgzDV7BhNCX+8S+NnKtUwP6201bK++dyWLA0ayA4eLJsRiDi1JbWZX3d9L78nabFctrStY3DwXBqdeHWSK0NiaFZNXH+lcpue8YNKKjT0Xsx26auFmJCxYHSvQ3M0mFxQYNQkqaqi2f5AGAM= Message-ID: <913728d60607311746t7191d966td82143c8323a8218@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:46:09 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a cool online looping program (sort-of) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:46:11 +0000 (UTC) well, it probably wasn't made with looping in mind, but it's a cool little site where you can make some cool piano loops :) http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/e/spiel_win.html check it out :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87F573BEC5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=B9ukgFKC1yZ9dClpjjHQmYOw/NgootZLdK+3AU0aK4cgbkUW4Ig8abPAsyOX9B6B; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: "'markfrancombe.com'" , Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:30:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Aca1CdUbs6WVI1B3Tgql2m6Sy7CrUAACIpwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc77d410f634299332ab8c829f94c57239350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.34.61.119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:30:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DL-4, RC-20, DD-20, Vortex _____ From: markfrancombe.com [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:40 AM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Quick poll Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

DL-4, RC-20, DD-20, = Vortex

 

From: markfrancombe.com [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com]
Sent: Monday, July 31, = 2006 7:40 AM
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Quick = poll

 

Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this = list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots = technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of = my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising...

 

I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but = lets ahve a quick poll

 

Whos using what now?

I'll start... (looping products mentioned only = please)

 

Vortex  split into EDP and = Repeater

 

 

your turn...

 

 

mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com

------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDB983BEB8; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060731222516.15690.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Minidiscs are bigger in other parts of the world. I believe they are still the rage in Japan, if memory serves me, I could be wrong though. ~peace~ Plish -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 its also amazing that cassettes are still around while mini disc didnt quite see the light of day! i am still sentimentally hanging on to mines:-) Luis - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC363BEC7; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c6b514$bcf9aad0$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Minidiscs are cool. I still have a mini minidisc-recorder that comes in handy as a field recorder. I had a pro unit too and sold it recently. I used the recorder to archive a bunch of reel-to-reel tapes. What a bizarre trail. Mono recorded jazz albums, ancient guitar jams by myself and 50's-60's instrumentals copied to minidisc.And one Genesis concert! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Plishka" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: RE: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 > Minidiscs are bigger in other parts of the world. I believe they are > still > the rage in Japan, if memory serves me, I could be wrong though. > > ~peace~ > > Plish > > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 > > > its also amazing that cassettes are still around while > mini disc didnt quite see the light of day! > i am still sentimentally hanging on to mines:-) > Luis > > - > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:51:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1703BED5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <002a01c6b514$bcf9aad0$d2e14744@BlackDell> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:51:55 +0000 (UTC) I use my mini mini for live concerts (mine) as well as the occasional other concert when I'm feeling naughty... Can't go wrong... -----Original Message----- From: Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Minidiscs are cool. I still have a mini minidisc-recorder that comes in handy as a field recorder. I had a pro unit too and sold it recently. I used the recorder to archive a bunch of reel-to-reel tapes. What a bizarre trail. Mono recorded jazz albums, ancient guitar jams by myself and 50's-60's instrumentals copied to minidisc.And one Genesis concert! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:04:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD1A3BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1SPqAsrAECLFNAnOhBkxjfaAVnjKFA3FvhgIgH4BuK3zdl96QyfbxU5+VFw1Q/ujhXpuEGDZuT7Ca+JLMltO+f/PHgduoqIK8LOirPgfqtpLBaPDGm2r3ITtDGg3U9prVOTdtCG6sreAfkA7PNZLaPmDLc/fhZtrRR+gGf2C1TA= ; Message-ID: <20060801030426.37913.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7_U50.A.0TF.9SszEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Second law of thermodynamics: The entropy of an isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value. Fight it while you can, but it's all going to crap. --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Totally agree with the sentiment and personally pass > things along as > opposed to trashing them. The problem is still that > any material > purchase is going to wind up in a landfill > eventually - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:05:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86EAA3BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: aleatoric12@gmail.com, "Daryl Shawn" References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> Subject: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:05:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_nQ2LC.A.waF.CUszEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:05:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I = buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional = classical guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may = very well be my main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really = interesting guitars, because even though they are often shunned by = traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players = (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile = unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous = through the electronic pickup system. I believe these guitars were = designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged". In fact, my = inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that = is not the point here. I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon = strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the = fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on = all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, = rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. = This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, = the 310 CE. They look very similar. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=3DNS32-CE What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do = looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very = traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the classical = guitar and it is often considered the instrument for academic study), = yet I am placing this in juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling = and experimental effects. I just love the contrast of these two = extremes. It would be analogous to placing a microphone on a grand piano = and running it through a bunch of insane soft synths. You have this = beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a nylon string guitar, but driving = the most wild and bizarre VST effects. It really is a wonderful thing. = The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, yet the effects it = triggers can take a whole new course of action and life of their own. I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get = it on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, = Fireworx, Looperlative) Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a nylon-string = through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's the only guitar I = play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have a lot of = fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing (the = Truly Beautiful Disaster), it works great. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com And like I said, I really want to get a Taylor Nylon string. It is = surprising that I haven't bought a nice electric nylon string after all = these years, because the classical guitar was my first instrument, and I = studies it for several years, from age 12 onward. Not that I plan to = play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is too full and I've = forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of the nylon = string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward to hearing = it through my VST system.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string = today, oh=20 my....why I didn't I buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, = even=20 when I had a traditional classical guitar sitting in my corner for years = and=20 years.  This may very well be my main guitar now for looping. These = Taylor's are really interesting guitars, because even though they are = often=20 shunned by traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz = players=20 (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile=20 unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous = through the=20 electronic pickup system.  I believe these guitars were designed to = be=20 played amplified, not "unplugged".  In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha=20 classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that is not the point=20 here.
 
I bought the NS32-CE, which is the = entry level=20 model for Taylor nylon strings....after weighing the options I got with = higher=20 models, and the fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is = basically the=20 same on all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple = guitar,=20 rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles.=20  This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string = electric,=20 the 310 CE. They look very similar.
 
= http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=3DNS32-CE
 
What I like most about the nylon string = and what I=20 like to do looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very = traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the classical = guitar=20 and it is often considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am = placing=20 this in juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental = effects.=20 I just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to = placing=20 a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of insane = soft=20 synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a nylon = string=20 guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects.  It = really is a=20 wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, yet the = effects=20 it triggers can take a whole new course of action and life of their=20 own.
 
I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I = think I=20 might not be able to get it on the plane safely. I had no problems last=20 year.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 = 11:32=20 AM
Subject: Re: Selling my = hardware=20 effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative)

Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a=20 nylon-string through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's = the only=20 guitar I play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have = a lot=20 of fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing = (the Truly=20 Beautiful Disaster), it works great.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

 And like I said, I really = want to get a=20 Taylor Nylon string. It is surprising that I haven't bought a nice = electric=20 nylon string after all these years, because the classical guitar was = my=20 first instrument, and I studies it for several years, from age 12 = onward.=20 Not that I plan to play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is = too full=20 and I've forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of = the=20 nylon string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward = to=20 hearing it through my VST=20 system. 

------=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:10:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6601C3BECA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06ba01c6b518$0bfb50e0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060801030426.37913.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:10:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Right on, Mark, my fine fatalist friend....and eventually our sun will supernova or collapse into a black-hole (depending on its mass, which I can't remember off hand)....and the human race will evaporate into ether. Live life and squander while you can... :) It's all going back to star stuff eventually, into the grand ol' recyclig machine of eternity. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 > Second law of thermodynamics: The entropy of an > isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to > increase over time, approaching a maximum value. > > Fight it while you can, but it's all going to crap. > > --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > >> Totally agree with the sentiment and personally pass >> things along as >> opposed to trashing them. The problem is still that >> any material >> purchase is going to wind up in a landfill >> eventually - > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:19:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E942D3BED8; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200682131951285@M2W103.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mech@m3ch.net X-Originating-IP: 12.183.106.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mech@m3ch.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:19:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) At 12:17 PM -0400 7/31/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: Oberheim used to have just such a device=2E=2E=2E=2E a MIDI delay=2E=2E=2E= (er or was it alesis=3F=3F) Are you thinking of the Akai ME10D MIDI Delay=3F I thought it seemed like a cool box, but something always ended up putting= it on the back burner every time I'd go to try finding one=2E It features= dynamics (velocity control on repeats) as well as an octave transpose feature, IIRC=2E It's been a while since I looked at it, but I seem to remember there was *something* that got in the way of it being a really viable MIDI Looper (delay time, maybe=2E=2E=2E=3F)=2E I wish I recalled more, but my brain's= swiss cheese=2E Sorry=2E =09--m=2E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F "Snakes on a Plane=2E=2E=2E" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A403BED0; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cOkQSvH2rFKpxLa2aJXcL/LPQOwI+csbgtBpsmNiLLblx0GRUk1niEt7aeF7/pJTkkOVHvXcMHPuVSUbQcRchpiANOapMdSF38qzG3y/ZMjuWx/IkZqyDRkEI1v3n0NDV7SUhC8ngr37C1uJdRKcGXQMrQjfcGXrer/SDCtDNwQ= Message-ID: <913728d60607312043y126b8cdbgc2744d60a6ab243@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:43:06 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9LC7m.A.YiG.L3szEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:43:07 +0000 (UTC) hello fellow loopers! well, its about that time to upgrade my looping device, and so to fund that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon Jamman. It has the 32 second upgrade and I don't think i need to put much information about it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more about it than i do :) i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or anything like that, so feel free to contact me and i will send you pics or any other information that you may need I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) i would like to keep this to the US or canada, mainly because i don't know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no offense :) Thanks for looking! :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 04:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6113BED6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 04:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200682142250625@M2W020.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mech@m3ch.net X-Originating-IP: 12.183.106.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mech@m3ch.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] Recycling & CD's (was Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:22:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3WN_ZB.A.BgH.MetzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 04:24:45 +0000 (UTC) At 1:08 PM -0600 7/31/06, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed everyday in this "throw away society" we live in=20 > is staggering and I'm on the side of anything that cuts waste=2E=20 If you're concerned with old CD's going to waste, you should see what happens to them in Asia (Southeast Asia and India, in particular)=2E Over= there, they flip a CD reflective side out, then paste them all over the backs of the "tuk-tuks" -- little motorized pedicabs, sort of like souped-up golf carts that you use as taxis=2E This helps add rear reflect= ors so that the tuk-tuk is more visible to normal automobiles=2E Occasionally, you see somebody who goes a little overboard and pastes the things all over the entire body of the tuk-tuk=2E This turns it into this= weird kind of psychedelic, rainbow, 70's-art-project vehicle=2E=20 If you're at all interested in recycling, you wouldn't believe how most everything gets at least two or three different uses=2E So, in summary, just send all your used CD's to Thailand=2E They'll use '= em=2E :D =09--m=2E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who= won't shut up=2E=2E=2E" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 06:47:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4453BEC7; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <3c48c2434ee180dd1422938bc1f4120f@mac.com> <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <34f667c2240595b3d128a6757d72714b@jojorazor.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: JoJo Razor Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:47:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:47:33 +0000 (UTC) you can now trade those cds on-line at www.lala.com they will even give the artist a percentage of the trade costs ($1.00=20 per trade + $.25 shipping cost) On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Next to diapers, none of this matter. :)=A0 > =A0 > Seriously, though, if anyone is generating a product that they are=20 > certain will be trashed, then that seems a bit futile and wasteful.=A0=20= > But there are also a lot of folks who keep their CDs or albums for a=20= > long time. And if they do get rid of them, they don't sell them, but=20= > trade them in. I don't think I've ever thrown away a music CD. Has=20 > anyone on the list thrown several music CDs away? You can at least=20 > take them to a record store and trade them in, or donate them to a=20 > charity...there are many people much more unfortuante that us that=20 > can't afford to buy new CDs, and can't afford iPods or computers, but=20= > might have an old CD payer or CD radio/boombox. They rely on being=20 > able to get a used CD for $2 or getting them from a benefit. > =A0 > I hope no one is throwing away music CDs.=A0 That's not very = thoughtful. > > > Kris > =A0 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Mimlitsch >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:08 PM >> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 >> >> Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed everyday in this=20= >> "throw away society" we live in is staggering and I'm on the side of=20= >> anything that cuts waste. >> >> On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: >> >>> I agree.=A0 I'd much rather own a physical CD.=A0 It's almost as if = mp3s=20 >>> cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files=20= >>> than it is to throw a CD in the trash. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> >>>> I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital=20= >>>> distribution as well. >>>> =A0 >>>> All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have=20 >>>> waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my=20= >>>> CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely=20 >>>> discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's=20 >>>> personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I=20 >>>> never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't=20= >>>> own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because=20= >>>> they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the=20= >>>> highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to=20= >>>> CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And,=20 >>>> believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning=20= >>>> and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the=20= >>>> sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It=20= >>>> all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my=20 >>>> physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they=20= >>>> are missing a significant element of the production. >>>> =A0 >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> ____________________________________ "The purpose of a border is to go beyond it." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 07:33:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CB843BECC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=AI5UHRHhKpOgUnvlVgjsrDrZnLci7T69sZuOZmWDnlnGWh+jb8TDOtVwP/tBgjMmo42fLwFWNwlL2/ZW/anYH5lQgK9nxhMXHsc0lJWzYtcqg3qKcn7MPqvDfW1sqHbSvBrhfo3B9dDftVQ5hpwawL/UvZqH7YOJIvdaWf4O/5A= ; Message-ID: <00b501c6b53c$d5927bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:23:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4_cr4.A.51D.iPwzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zoom G2 Digitech Jamman Mobius Stand Alone + FCB 1010. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Zoom G2
Digitech Jamman
Mobius Stand Alone + FCB = 1010.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990-- ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 07:33:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA2F3BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ER1IqzUeFOKCXvH4HIHKYOtGdATbsVRH8cluCV8j1Bzo3Bg2CXV2V6uzmmK6GwCQsJiXN8+CgzhxSTdbJi8EiRRMJiSO1oB3TK/y4uHxOgz20a683g06pfRkwNrBbi/z98WI3z+TRKWWxU+c0rRoHPGk2EEOqFa9wYHrKqxtenQ= ; Message-ID: <00b601c6b53c$d8037bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> <03B2BF54-249A-4DCD-B18D-E7232DC88099@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:33:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > On 31 jul 2006, at 18.17, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> >> Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or was >> it alesis??) > > > Twelve years ago I was using a MIDI arpeggiator box from Oberheim named > "Cyclone" (with a MIDI guitar). Maybe that's the device you're thinking > of? Cool thing, but probably hard to find today. There were also the waldorf gekkos. I think there was 2 models: an arpeggiator and a chord memory. Waldorf is coming back... who knows if they 'll be still selling these again. Far from a "midi EDP" anyway. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 10:20:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A78D3BEB9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009601c6b554$17a1d540$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:20:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:20:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My take on the CD disposal situation: http://www.earthlight.net/images/HiddenTrack/HiddenTrack26big.jpg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew F. McCabe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 16:22 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s = cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files = than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital = distribution as well. All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled = back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell = them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough = call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the = matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a = situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply = because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on = their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my = CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation = who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, = the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they = are missing a significant element of the production. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My take on the CD disposal situation:
http://www.earthlight.net/images/HiddenTrack/HiddenTrack26big.jpg
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matthew=20 F. McCabe
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 = 16:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked = down to=20 $5.00

I agree.  I'd much rather own a physical CD.  It's = almost as if=20 mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of = files than=20 it is to throw a CD in the trash.

Matt


On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
I sure am. I have all = of the CDs=20 going through all of the digital distribution as = well.
 
All in all, I don't = really do=20 this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion = of=20 whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market = price, or=20 severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on = one's=20 personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I = never want=20 to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of = my CDs=20 simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many = other CDs=20 on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority.  I'd = rather give=20 my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music.  And, believe it or not, I am of the = generation=20 who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a = CD, the=20 artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the=20 music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my=20 physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't = they are=20 missing a significant element of the production.
 
Kris
------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 12:08:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39FBE3BEC5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200682112643437@M2W015.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mech@m3ch.net X-Originating-IP: 12.183.106.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mech@m3ch.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:06:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Fw: LD content: quick polls Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:08:26 +0000 (UTC) At 8:20 PM +0200 7/31/06, markfrancombe=2Ecom wrote: 1st prize, just too many loopers "I have too much money, I cant make up m= y bloody mind" =3D MECH!!! Hah!!! All right, guilty as charged: you nailed that one right on (okay, so who's got an EDP they wanna get rid of=2E NEED LOOPER FIX=2E=2E=2E) = ;^) =09--m=2E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F "No more building up; it is time to dissolve=2E=2E=2E" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 13:32:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4629D3BECA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 In-Reply-To: <8C88139243006BF-988-4C56@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <8C88139243006BF-988-4C56@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <_SYntC.A.1SD.Dg1zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > hey steve! > have any further information on this venue/space. Umm, sure. It's my house, I live here. You want the history of the construction changes over the last 31 years? I've only been in it for five :). Ok, more seriously: I host shows on an irregular basis here, mostly for performers that either a) contact me wanting help setting up a gig on a specific day, say next Tuesday, and every remotely appropriate venue in the area is already booked, b) I'm personally interested in seeing them and and don't want to drive out-of-state on a weeknight to do so. (That's a general offer, by the way: anyone coming through southeast US send me an email and I'll at a minimum suggest current locations for you to play, and help get the word out.) The show Friday night went great, by the way: the opening act Automatic Caution Door was using Ableton on a laptop and looping guitar w/Line 6 DL-4, (I think, on both). The Subliminator uses a Boomerang to loop vocals in a mostly spoken word with layers approach, playing a pair of Alesis AirSynths into a pair of AirFXs. regards, Steve B Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/ http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > really like to get something cooking in raleigh sometime soon. > > thanks! > brian > electric bird noise > > -----Original Message----- > From: burnett@pobox.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 8:31 PM > Subject: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 > > In addition to performing, I occasionally host house concerts. Both performers are live-loop-friendly. Hope this is an acceptable announcement for this list. Info below the line of octothorps. > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea > > ########################### > badgerhaus hosts a psychedelic rock/spacerock/spoken word performance by The Subliminator Friday July 28th. Automatic Caution Door opens. Other acts possibly to be added for the evening. > > Location: badgerhaus, Raleigh NC > Time: 9pm > Cover: voluntary donation, going entirely to the performer(s) > > Links: > http://www.badgerhaus.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/thesubliminator > http://thesubliminator.com/ > > Thanks to Xopher Thurston for use of the PA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 14:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E403BEC7; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:39:05 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44CF6789.2090301@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Seems silly not to be using that survey tool - I didn't get the impression anyone was going to tabulate the group's preferences. Oh well... Axon AX100 w/upgrade Johnson J-Station or Line 6 Pod XT Roland Fantom XR Roland VK-8M Electrix Repeater Behringer FCB1010 Boss DR-660 (MIDI clock and rhythm start/stop triggers) I'm experimenting with running Mobius under REAPER as a VST host, but so far have found this to be not been totally stable. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 14:48:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7D533BECA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00b601c6b53c$d8037bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> <03B2BF54-249A-4DCD-B18D-E7232DC88099@gmail.com> <00b601c6b53c$d8037bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-42839902 Message-Id: <54fad15318bb8965e8775fd51b686a18@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:48:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6FijbD.A.LgF.2m2zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:48:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-42839902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, Akai used to make a couple of little rack units, one was a MIDI =20 arpeggiator and the other was a MIDI delay. The later was what you =20 might be thinking about as a MIDI "looper" though I don't remember =20 there being multiple repeats . . .just one repeat (therefore, not much =20= of a looper). I owned them both for a time. Found them modestly useful. =20= When I went through a "gear purge" a few years later I either sold =20 them (very cheaply) or gave them to a keyboardist friend of mine. I =20 don't know if she still has them or not. I think it's been over 15 =20 years. Anyhoo, they were black, single rack space do-dahs, very shallow =20= (might've been only 2-3 inches deep) had only a knob or two and a 2 =20 digit LED display. I wish I could recall the model numbers. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn =93It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient =20= eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I =20 find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars =20= all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much =20= care. That's no concern of mine.=94 -- Edward Abbey http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:33 AM, Ben wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:10 PM > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > > >> On 31 jul 2006, at 18.17, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> >>> >>> Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or = =20 >>> was it alesis??) >> >> >> Twelve years ago I was using a MIDI arpeggiator box from Oberheim =20= >> named "Cyclone" (with a MIDI guitar). Maybe that's the device you're = =20 >> thinking of? Cool thing, but probably hard to find today. > > There were also the waldorf gekkos. > I think there was 2 models: an arpeggiator and a chord memory. > Waldorf is coming back... who knows if they 'll be still selling these = =20 > again. > Far from a "midi EDP" anyway. > > > Ben. > > > > =09 > > =09 > =09 > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > ____ D=E9couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions = quelque =20 > soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/R=E9ponses pour partager vos =20 > connaissances, vos opinions et vos exp=E9riences. =20 > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-8-42839902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi all, Akai used to make a couple of little rack units, one was a MIDI arpeggiator and the other was a MIDI delay. The later was what you might be thinking about as a MIDI "looper" though I don't remember there being multiple repeats . . .just one repeat (therefore, not much of a looper). I owned them both for a time. Found them modestly useful. When I went through a "gear purge" a few years later I either sold them (very cheaply) or gave them to a keyboardist friend of mine. I don't know if she still has them or not. I think it's been over 15 years. Anyhoo, they were black, single rack space do-dahs, very shallow (might've been only 2-3 inches deep) had only a knob or two and a 2 digit LED display. I wish I could recall the model numbers. 0000,0000,0000Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = 807F,0000,0000=93807E,= 0000,0000It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much care. That's no concern of mine.807F,0000,0000=94 -- Edward Abbey 0000,0000,0000 807F,807F,807F http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. = So???0000,0000,0000 807F,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:33 AM, Ben wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" < To: < Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? On 31 jul 2006, at 18.17, Charles Zwicky wrote: Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or=20 was it alesis??) Twelve years ago I was using a MIDI arpeggiator box from Oberheim=20 named "Cyclone" (with a MIDI guitar). Maybe that's the device you're=20 thinking of? Cool thing, but probably hard to find today. There were also the waldorf gekkos. I think there was 2 models: an arpeggiator and a chord memory. Waldorf is coming back... who knows if they 'll be still selling these again. Far from a "midi EDP" anyway. Ben. =09 =09 =09 = __________________________________________________________________________= _ D=E9couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/R=E9ponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos exp=E9riences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com=20 = --Apple-Mail-8-42839902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 14:59:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B07323BEC5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:59:36 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: Loooong, stereo, analog/tape style hardware delay... such a thing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0J3B002ALR0R52H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ)" Thread-index: Aca1exq63ZsoP1bBR5WAoHbE/07G3A== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:59:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey everyone- I'm looking for a long (between 5-30 seconds, depending on the situation) stereo (pan/pingpong) delay. The catch is, I need it to attenuate some highs, degrade, or add some warmth and warble. I also need the delay time and feedback level to be adjustable in real time, with a physical knob or with MIDI control. Basically I'm looking to replicate the old Frippertronics setup. Using a digital delay for this sounds too cold and inorganic to me (sorry for the cliche). I'll be using a Memory Lane for a shorter, modulated delay, and then using the long pingpong delay as a looper, of sorts. Anyone know of a rackmount unit or pedal that can do this? I know the DD-20 has enough delay time, but there's no filtering or EQ adjustments in pingpong mode. I don't have much experience with rack delays, so I'm not really sure what's out there. Also it would be great if I could bypass the delay input while still retaining the feedback (so I would be able to make a "loop", then play over it without adding to it). I have a nice chain of VST plugins that do exactly what I want, but I don't like the stability, fragility, and latency issues that come with using a laptop live (for my application). Ideas? Thanks, Jesse --Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hey everyone-

 

I'm looking for a long (between 5-30 seconds, depending on the situation) stereo (pan/pingpong) delay.  The catch is, I need it to attenuate some highs, degrade, or add some warmth and warble.  I also need the delay time and feedback level to be adjustable in real time, with a physical knob or with MIDI control.

 

Basically I'm looking to replicate the old Frippertronics setup.  Using a digital delay for this sounds too cold and inorganic to me (sorry for the cliche).  I'll be using a Memory Lane for a shorter, modulated delay, and then using the long pingpong delay as a looper, of sorts.

 

Anyone know of a rackmount unit or pedal that can do this?  I know the DD-20 has enough delay time, but there's no filtering or EQ adjustments in pingpong mode.  I don’t have much experience with rack delays, so I’m not really sure what’s out there.  Also it would be great if I could bypass the delay input while still retaining the feedback (so I would be able to make a "loop", then play over it without adding to it).  I have a nice chain of VST plugins that do exactly what I want, but I don't like the stability, fragility, and latency issues that come with using a laptop live (for my application).

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks,

Jesse

--Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 15:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 957123BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:01:00 EDT Subject: Re: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:01:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/1/06 9:33:01 AM, burnett@pobox.com writes: > The Subliminator uses a Boomerang to loop vocals in a mostly spoken word > with layers approach, playing a pair of Alesis AirSynths into a pair of > AirFXs. > > sounds like my kind of band!.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/1/06 9:33:01 AM, burnett@pobox.com writes:


The Subliminator uses= a Boomerang to loop vocals in a mostly spoken word
with layers approach, playing a pair of Alesis AirSynths into a pair of
AirFXs.



sounds like my kind of band!.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 15:11:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF1473BECD; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:11:26 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090700080207020109010506" Resent-Message-ID: <5gZMDB.A.EjG.p82zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090700080207020109010506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig in without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a laptop for his effects, and does /amazing /things on nylon-string. Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I > buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional > classical guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may > very well be my main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really > interesting guitars, because even though they are often shunned by > traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players > (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile > unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous > through the electronic pickup system. I believe these guitars were > designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged". In fact, my > inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that > is not the point here. > > I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon > strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and > the fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the > same on all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple > guitar, rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and > whistles. This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel > string electric, the 310 CE. They look very similar. > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE > > What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do > looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very > traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the > classical guitar and it is often considered the instrument for > academic study), yet I am placing this in juxtaposition with some > serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I just love the > contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to placing a > microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of insane > soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a > nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST > effects. It really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can > be so soft and warm, yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new > course of action and life of their own. > > I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to > get it on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. > > Kris > --------------090700080207020109010506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it.

What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig in without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string.

Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional classical guitar sitting in my corner for years and years.  This may very well be my main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting guitars, because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system.  I believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged".  In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that is not the point here.
 
I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles.  This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. They look very similar.
 
 
What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects.  It really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and life of their own.
 
I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get it on the plane safely. I had no problems last year.
 
Kris
 

--------------090700080207020109010506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:19:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0AE93BECD; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c6b586$3e068e60$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-x7qHD.A.dh.L83zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (back into text mode!) It's not just the physical quality though. After six years away from my old CD collection in storage, and just as long accumulating MP3 copies of some of the more beloved tracks, I found an old cassette of a combination of songs not only about driving, but also containing the kind of guitar bits that make me like to play. There was no label, and I popped it into a deck to see what it was, to hear Cross-town Traffic and Easy Rider, for a start. On one level I found it cosmically encouraging given the timing of my getting back to playing the acoustic this week; on another different level, I found myself far more satisfied with the sound quality of my cassettes than MP3s. Sure, I used to take pains to assure max quality when I made tapes for myself, but it was as much of a difference as I experience between cassettes and CDs. And made me begin to question the use of the format at all, except as a promotional or sales sample. Or it's a down week. I had to fire another plumber today! Ugh! S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew F. McCabe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 16:22 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as well. All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of the production. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F033BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: a cool online looping program (sort-of) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:32:54 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002901c6b588$2484f1f0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca1A+ZN4ceAstW9TtSkL98nvOQm2AAhA9oQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <913728d60607311746t7191d966td82143c8323a8218@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0fhLlD.A.6-.-I4zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:33:02 +0000 (UTC) hey, a great example of a Digital Karlheinz! Arranging the notes and = chords in a way so they bump into each other frequently makes the result (and = also the period) nearly impredictable... > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. August 2006 02:46 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: a cool online looping program (sort-of) >=20 > well, it probably wasn't made with looping in mind, but it's=20 > a cool little site where you can make some cool piano loops :) >=20 > http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/e/spiel_win.html >=20 > check it out :) >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:45:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98B43BEC1; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KVFUnkQbBMBuX1we9d5C1LfrzOZTO7GV9WQHhOTFxk86hus/VKCGqLgZt7ZDLQOm2I3Y3vwt1uxgrqxV1aIjbC/A/zY4I1yi1rvN0093jBZjzt8EP3oESG87kwEBAwuod8SX/T38axWkuzXiyToZbTqnl17h3Ps649GwqO2Da94= Message-ID: <913728d60608010945l43cf6fd6hf124979c531c064e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:45:44 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: a cool online looping program (sort-of) In-Reply-To: <002901c6b588$2484f1f0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60607311746t7191d966td82143c8323a8218@mail.gmail.com> <002901c6b588$2484f1f0$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:45:45 +0000 (UTC) yeah, i've been interested with motion-based sound like that (i dunno if thats the name for it, but thats what i am calling it) I have been interested in it ever since i discovered sonasphere (even though i can't get it to work) i think it's fun :) Charlie On 8/1/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > hey, a great example of a Digital Karlheinz! Arranging the notes and chor= ds > in a way so they bump into each other frequently makes the result (and al= so > the period) nearly impredictable... > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. August 2006 02:46 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: a cool online looping program (sort-of) > > > > well, it probably wasn't made with looping in mind, but it's > > a cool little site where you can make some cool piano loops :) > > > > http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/e/spiel_win.html > > > > check it out :) > > > > Charlie > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:50:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DBDA3BEE1; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Loooong, stereo, analog/tape style hardware delay... such a thing? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:50:39 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002a01c6b58a$9ebf9db0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca1exq63ZsoP1bBR5WAoHbE/07G3AADcO2w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <0J3B002ALR0R52H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7lM-rD.A.XvB.nZ4zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) You might look at the possibility to separate both requirements (delay with realtime feedback adjust and warmth/warble/degrade) into separate devices. Basically, use two devices, a loong delay (like a DD20), here called "1" and a warbler (like any multifx, or even a DL4 in delay mode, here called "2", and set them up like this Instrument ---->+---> "1" --> "2" --+---> Mains | | +--Volume Pedal-----+ or like this Instrument ---->+---> "1" --> ------+---> Mains | | +-"2"-Volume Pedal--+ Your volume pedal is feedback. The tricky part might be to find a looong delay which has the realtime delay time change the way you want it to work - would the DD20 do the trick for you? Rainer > I'm looking for a long (between 5-30 seconds, depending on the situation) stereo (pan/pingpong) delay. The catch > is, I need it to attenuate some highs, degrade, or add some warmth and warble. I also need the delay time and feedback > level to be adjustable in real time, with a physical knob or with MIDI control. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:01:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A1B3BED9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OdXdXX91WnGwGwYcrqEWFbfbdimAaK/9PRLarL+IYfGAnV+7Yhzj6rkucSG0guggRAgk7ZfC0Jd/ZfEMM249sOd/LWqfn9CEfqsKDD/nsDQoBLpf4y57s7us1kmaBYxxaiXU28S8KInq/p9O4CTUB1ljzysGXziCPrZn6rrPqtM= Message-ID: <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:01:55 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! In-Reply-To: <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:01:58 +0000 (UTC) What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the levels. Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those notch filters tuned up. I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll sell off some of my old gear. Todd On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. > > What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of > the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play > fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig in > without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard > many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though > there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a > laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. > > Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring > your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! > > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I buy a > nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional classical > guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well be my > main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting guitars, > because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical > guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I > read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is partly > true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I > believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged". > In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better > unplugged...but that is not the point here. > > I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon > strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the fact > that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all the > models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than one > with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar is > basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. They > look very similar. > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE > > What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do looping-wise > is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and authentic > (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often > considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in > juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I > just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to > placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of > insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a > nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects. It > really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, > yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and life > of their own. > > I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get it > on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F0603BEE2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF8BB2.4050201@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:13:22 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MP3 Format (WAS All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <004401c6b586$3e068e60$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <004401c6b586$3e068e60$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:13:30 +0000 (UTC) great cartoon, Stephen! I fully agree with you on MP3's. I hear my own tunes go from cassette to WAV to MP3, and can hear the dramatic changes in each stage. Even at the highest-bit encoding, there's just something missing with MP3. (personally, I prefer cassette even to WAV, but I think that's more of a personal taste thing...I still prefer vinyl to anything else). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > (back into text mode!) > It's not just the physical quality though. After six years away from > my old CD collection in storage, and just as long accumulating MP3 > copies of some of the more beloved tracks, I found an old cassette of > a combination of songs not only about driving, but also containing the > kind of guitar bits that make me like to play. There was no label, > and I popped it into a deck to see what it was, to hear Cross-town > Traffic and Easy Rider, for a start. > > On one level I found it cosmically encouraging given the timing of my > getting back to playing the acoustic this week; on another different > level, I found myself far more satisfied with the sound quality of my > cassettes than MP3s. Sure, I used to take pains to assure max quality > when I made tapes for myself, but it was as much of a difference as I > experience between cassettes and CDs. And made me begin to question > the use of the format at all, except as a promotional or sales > sample. Or it's a down week. I had to fire another plumber today! Ugh! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B12713BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF8D2A.9020900@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:19:38 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070105070807020100000301" Resent-Message-ID: <0a2LVD.A.QLD.x04zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070105070807020100000301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost /zero /acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing. (crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the > levels. > > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those > notch filters tuned up. > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > sell off some of my old gear. > > Todd --------------070105070807020100000301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost zero acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing.

(crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!)

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my
effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar
riding over the sound coming from the speakers.  For example, when
laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the
electric passed through the looper (& effects).  The sum, in this
situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop
and subsequently played back.  It makes it a pain to balance the
levels.

Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well.  Gotta have those
notch filters tuned up.

I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac.
Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be
plugged in with minimal accoustic projection.  Dreamy.  Maybe I'll
sell off some of my old gear.

Todd

--------------070105070807020100000301-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5DDC3BEF0; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF8D1E.7000301@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:19:26 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070206070400010203050806" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070206070400010203050806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost /zero /acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing. (crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!) Daryl > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the > levels. > > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those > notch filters tuned up. > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > sell off some of my old gear. > > Todd --------------070206070400010203050806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost zero acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing.

(crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!)

Daryl
What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my
effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar
riding over the sound coming from the speakers.  For example, when
laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the
electric passed through the looper (& effects).  The sum, in this
situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop
and subsequently played back.  It makes it a pain to balance the
levels.

Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well.  Gotta have those
notch filters tuned up.

I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac.
Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be
plugged in with minimal accoustic projection.  Dreamy.  Maybe I'll
sell off some of my old gear.

Todd

--------------070206070400010203050806-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:19:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925A23BEF9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@ar