From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 00:43:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE3C3BEC1; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Craig McCollough Subject: perhaps a way to run Mobius on Mac.... stay tuned! Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:42:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:43:19 +0000 (UTC) ran across this today - sounds tempting :-) run Windows apps on Mac - not using Parallels, Boot Camp, or VMWare. http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/06/30/crossover/index.php cheers, craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 04:34:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEFDA3BEB2; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <195001c69cc7$99051570$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c69929$def64c30$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: MOINSOUND: New Kybermusik recordings online featuring Rick Walker, Charlie Milkey and again Krispen Hartung Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:34:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:34:15 +0000 (UTC) I love the world-beat, middle-eastern feel tune that we did with Rick, Rainer, part 2 on 30.4.06....I had forgotten about that completely....me and Rick sitting in my garage with the garage door door open, on a nice sunny Boise day...and hearing you speak in German to the audience at the club. I sometimes miss playing in a world-fusion group, so that was a good reminder. Rick, I love your hand drumming! I believe that is a moderately fast 9/8 time. I counted and your down beat occurs an 8th note too early to be 5/4 time. Very cool. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Ok, I put some more kybermusik (virtual internet jams using Ninjam) recordings up on the www.moinlabs.de site. Go to http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm to find: "30.4.06 - KYBERMUSIK" (3 excerpts from a 80-minute-performance): This was the performance which combined Kris and Rick (playing at Kris' home after the BEMF) and me (playing at www.salonerna.de). At least talking about my performance, this was one of my weaker performances (both Ninjamming and in general) - but with three players, the remaining two can make up for that. It's Rick on drums/percussion and vocal noises, Krispen on guitar and fx and industrial drum loop and me playing bass guitar, synths and aleatoric lead guitar. "The Milkey Way" (4 excerpts from a two-hour-performance): A (non-public) performance by Charlie Milkey and me - Charlie playing 4-string bass guitar with Jamman, MPX200 and Line6 Toneport/Gearbox, me playing my weird tuning sixstring, lots of synths and effects, metronome crosstalk and a few loopers as well. Keep looking for more of this stuff coming soon... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 04:46:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222D33BEC1; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5346cbfbf929a9dc52a9845b90912c5d@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:45:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 66.248.88.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Kris, Count me in. I'll have something ready by the 4th! Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a > giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via > a playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:56 AM > Subject: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > >> >> Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post >> message >> ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: >> http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html >> >> September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. >> >> How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! >> >> Bernhard >> http://nosuch.biz >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 05:51:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2895A3BEC7; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 05:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TcVhR/OBroLeFV6UVcPi5/zF/yW0RRr4neOxeCpR4/HYZ4YNYB2j0ZMG6S4/gdtWkPViX9YX3veZBTKGa44fUBkoPKGiWsYlHk3PeZSxUR+nDf/lvXP6Lt4Bcd/cEZ7ksJQoOOts91w2+7wiOzJuFmsY/a4gsA4u5y2BX3ijjig= ; Message-ID: <20060701055130.21087.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 05:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Perfectly possible man and it works great, send PC12 set one of your exp pedals to listen to the p´ter and send cc09 and give your pitch range choice bewteen 0-127 but watch for the cool robot artifacts! greets Luis > While I'm brainstorming here........could you also > set it up so that one of > the expression pedals controls Tempo ie as you press > down on the pedal, the > tempo of the loop increases? > > Any help/advice is appreciated! > > Thanks! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) > is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed > and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , > confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, > you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail > message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 07:30:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E640C3BEB6; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fVWm4PYGlYOo2W4E+/e3Ro/eWx6p6vl72ZQxYuXvoxlYInYjLUbI8MUAB2Xgia0NfCfTITzrNLOgLfijKLUrWBw/Jl3k6jTDA7p/kqv4mbfXWGWxzpyHfBNam8fW7YA2OdW6Jms5y7GnJGGtrj1LhE7wME2obXyRhhWnS2BqCXg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:45:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:30:30 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 29, 2006, at 23:54, mark sottilaro wrote: > All this talk about Eclipse/Fireworx vs. Max/Reaktor > made me think, surely dedicated hardware must sound a > lot better, no? That's up for each musician to decide. Listen to the stuff and see what you think! According to my taste I have found some unique sounds only available from software and some other unique sounds in hardware. > Perhaps software is way more flexible > but is it as good? Of course it's as good! It's just the same algorithms mangling the signal, given you have as good sound card and converters connected to the computer running the software. And regarding flexibility I do think that some hardware actually can stand up well to software. The flexibility I get with my TC el Fireworx (all types of effects, 32 step sequencer, extensive routing capabilities) is hard to find outside Max and Pluggo. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 08:08:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E983F3BEB0; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,198,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="355649032:sNHT26822056" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--512046688 Message-Id: <40883862-CEF3-41A9-BE8B-116BBD56852A@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 01:08:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:08:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--512046688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 30, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > The flexibility I get with my TC el Fireworx (all types of effects, > 32 step sequencer, extensive routing capabilities) is hard to find > outside Max and Pluggo ...or Reaktor....or Bidule....or EnergyXT....or Phrazor..... --Apple-Mail-1--512046688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Jun 30, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

The flexibility I get with my TC el Fireworx (all types of effects, 32 step sequencer, extensive routing capabilities) is hard to find outside Max and Pluggo


...or Reaktor....or Bidule....or EnergyXT....or Phrazor.....
--Apple-Mail-1--512046688-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 11:09:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7AC3BEC2; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: MOINSOUND: New Kybermusik recordings online featuring Rick Walker, Charlie Milkey and again Krispen Hartung Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:09:12 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001401c69cfe$cbd09ab0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <195001c69cc7$99051570$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acacx5w4SJlA2ethQG2mZCnjfuL+7gANuDgA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 11:09:21 +0000 (UTC) My thoughts exactly! The funny thing is, while the numbers 9/8 look like a ternary groove, the rhythm was more of a 5/4 with a hiccup ;). > Rick, I love your hand drumming! I believe that is a > moderately fast 9/8 time. I counted and your down beat occurs > an 8th note too early to be 5/4 time. Very cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 13:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E05993BEB2; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:35:25 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 1, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44A67A1D.2000604@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:37:11 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060701.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #90 July 1, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Guido Meyer] Lightyears Edition #9 Sampler (Groove) VA [Parallel Worlds] Night Wind Edition #9 Sampler (Groove) VA [Andreas Akwara] Synthetic Horizon II Edition #9 Sampler (Groove) Paul Ellis Tick Tock The Infinity Room (Groove) Nattefrost The Battle That Lasted Absorbed in Dreams and Yearning Eternally (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Nightnoise Night In That Land Pure Nightnoise (Windham Hill) Nightnoise Something of Time Pure Nightnoise (Windham Hill) Richard Leo Johnson Love and Trouble The Legend of Vernon McAlister (Cuneiform) Richard Leo Johnson Serve Up the Red Clay The Legend of Vernon McAlister and Rhubarb (Cuneiform) Richard Leo Johnson The Porch Faces Sunset The Legend of Vernon McAlister (Cuneiform) Alex De Grassi Clockwork Pure Alex De Grassi (Windham Hill) John Gorka Looking Forward Pure Jihn Gorka (Windham Hill) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Paatos Your Misery Silence of Another Kind (InsideOut) Divided Sky Diminishing Returns Spectral (none) Pulse Singer In a Rock'n'Roll Heartbeat (Fox's Den) Band Ricochet A New Days Rising Zarah - A Teartown Story (Progrock) Ozric Tentacles Chewier Spirals in Hyperspace (Magna Carta) Ozric Tentacles Spacebase The Floor's Too Far Away (Magna Carta) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on July 15. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 13:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 429C03BEC2; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Kk+jENSW3YOVBlPRA4k9cnMpEAM3XIdYKrfcOpZdn16TTtFdDauNr0t2FW9cg7wG; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006761134312480@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD3 comp. RE: free stuff! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:43:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f1cebb4376e05601e02e3860193600b2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.81 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 13:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks... that reminds me...could you guys tell me again where I can get the LD 3 comp? ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/30/2006 6:23:17 PM > Subject: free stuff! > > there's a free compilation chock full of looping bands (electric bird > noise / something about vampires and sluts etc.) at: > > nomorestarsrecords.com > > check it out! > > brian > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email > and IM. All on demand. Always Free. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 1 21:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A69693BEB6; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060701143614.0becf7b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 14:38:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: LD3 comp. RE: free stuff! In-Reply-To: <410-22006761134312480@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006761134312480@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:38:14 +0000 (UTC) At 06:43 AM 7/1/2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: >Thanks... that reminds me...could you guys tell me again where I can get >the LD 3 comp? How about the Looper's Delight website? http://www.loopers-delight.com There are links to all the Looper's Delight compilation cd pages and the websites for ordering them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 01:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D07B3BEB5; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fKyTTrTunvPnPpqZ1JdXTtITUzgYp4ZtKxA2S+sgdM+S2T06Q6mxAnsToXPnvofK; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200670211630570@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD3 comp. RE: free stuff! Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:16:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403512bdec86d33dae18b7dba0b510ccd7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.113 Resent-Message-ID: <2u175.A.4HB.V2xpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Great! Thanks. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Kim Flint > To: > Date: 7/1/2006 5:38:14 PM > Subject: Re: LD3 comp. RE: free stuff! > > At 06:43 AM 7/1/2006, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >Thanks... that reminds me...could you guys tell me again where I can get > >the LD 3 comp? > > How about the Looper's Delight website? > > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > There are links to all the Looper's Delight compilation cd pages and the > websites for ordering them. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 01:33:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D82FD3BEB6; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1afc01c69d77$87bac070$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Nobels MF-1 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:33:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone point me to where I can buy a Nobels MF-1 MIDI controller in the States? A few months ago, I found a single dealer who had them in stock, and I have lost the link. I need a battery operated MIDI foot controller for Mobius. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 01:46:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8613BECC; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1b0901c69d79$58a686f0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:46:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Too bad this doesn't send notes!!!! It would be perfect for street gigs. http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCHMM1 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Nobels MF-1 > Can anyone point me to where I can buy a Nobels MF-1 MIDI controller in > the States? A few months ago, I found a single dealer who had them in > stock, and I have lost the link. I need a battery operated MIDI foot > controller for Mobius. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 01:52:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 205133BECC; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1b0c01c69d7a$1cbda780$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:52:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to keep answering my own question...anyone used this? http://www.musicplayers.com/reviews/guitars/2006/0406_RolandFC-200.php It says it is batter powered, and I believe it sends notes too, from the descrption. Looks interesting. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: Nobels MF-1 > Can anyone point me to where I can buy a Nobels MF-1 MIDI controller in > the States? A few months ago, I found a single dealer who had them in > stock, and I have lost the link. I need a battery operated MIDI foot > controller for Mobius. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 04:07:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E9053BEC5; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060702000450.01cbfa68@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:07:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 In-Reply-To: <1b0901c69d79$58a686f0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1b0901c69d79$58a686f0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D16962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:07:39 +0000 (UTC) did you check out it's big brother the midi moose? http://www.tech21nyc.com/midimoose.html never used one but it's also battery run. I saw a guy in Toronto using one of these last summer busking along the water front. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 09:46 PM 7/1/2006, you wrote: >Too bad this doesn't send notes!!!! It would be perfect for street gigs. > >http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCHMM1 > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 04:07:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE8353BECD; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1b0c01c69d7a$1cbda780$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1b0c01c69d7a$1cbda780$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:07:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken_H Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Hey, something I know about! > > >It says it is battery powered, and I believe it sends notes too, >from the descrption. Looks interesting. > >Kris > Yes, I had an FC-200. I liked it pretty well and used it with a pair of EDPs and either a GX-700 or an SE-70/VF-1. I'd like to get another one, actually; I really liked the ergonomics of the big foot-switches. Pretty durable... another Stick player I respect tremendously uses one, he's toured with it internationally for a looong time and it has worked well for him. In terms of build quality and 'feel' it beats the heck out of the Behringer FCB1010 (IMHO) for not too much more money. Well, not big money like an All Access or something like that. It's not quite as programmable as the Behringer, but my brain works with it better. It would probably work well for your laptop-setup, but it might feel a bit limited for your rack-setup. I'm now on a Rocktron MIDI-Mate, which is merely okay (switches are too small). Physically, sending Note-ons seemed... 'easier' with this unit. My timing was somehow better than any other pedal I've tried (sort of like new shoes that feel great from day one). Weird, but true. You do need an external switch like the FS-5U or some such to switch modes. I also used a small forest of EV-5 pedals to control lots of effect parameters in real time. Great fun! Yes, batteries work; I'd suggest 2300/2400+ mAH NiMH batteries and just keep 'em charged. You'll get a lot of runtime out of them... definitely buy the AC adapter for home use, though. I saw the Nobels when Steve Lawson was here in the US earlier this year, controlling a Looperlative. Maybe he could chime in with where to get one. Seemed nice enough, but smallish. Different design philosophy. It at least had footswitches which were bigger than the MIDI-Mate's. Here's the manual for the Roland: http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=en&dsp=0&iCncd=271 Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 04:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46FD83BEC7; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.53.30] Message-ID: <44A74BD0.4090703@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:30:08 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0626-3, 06/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone on this list use either of these products? I guess I'm really just window shopping, but it is feasible that I could eBay some old gear I'm not using right now and scrape up enough cash to buy one. I'd love to hear reviews from you guys, especially pertaining to the Audio I/O side of things. Thanks! --Josh PS: Hope you're all having fun out gigging this Independence Day weekend. I'm home with a sick, 38-weeks-pregnant wife, and honestly feeling a little jealous. Rock out for me! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 04:51:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FB193BEB8; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1b3501c69d93$36d43cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1b0901c69d79$58a686f0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.0.6.2.20060702000450.01cbfa68@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:51:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the Moose looks even better...but I can't find out whether it sends Note messages. Jeff, I'm behind on your MIDI implementation for Mobius. Is anyone controlling it with just standard program change messages? (which is what I do with my Looperlative) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 > did you check out it's big brother the midi moose? > http://www.tech21nyc.com/midimoose.html > never used one but it's also battery run. I saw a guy in Toronto using one > of these last summer busking along the water front. > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > At 09:46 PM 7/1/2006, you wrote: > >>Too bad this doesn't send notes!!!! It would be perfect for street gigs. >> >>http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCHMM1 >> >>Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 04:55:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C26863BEB8; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.53.30] Message-ID: <44A751AC.20205@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:55:08 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 References: <1b0901c69d79$58a686f0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.0.6.2.20060702000450.01cbfa68@mail.wightman.ca> <1b3501c69d93$36d43cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1b3501c69d93$36d43cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0626-3, 06/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 04:55:16 +0000 (UTC) I'm currently using just PC messages for Mobius, but that's only because I haven't taken time to really program my FCB1010 the way I want it. You can do a good deal of looping this way, but you miss anything that requires a sustained hold, ie: hold down to overdub, release to quit overdub. You can, however, use MIDI CC signals to get SUS functions to work, and it looks like that Roland unit will do that. --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yeah, the Moose looks even better...but I can't find out whether it > sends Note messages. > > Jeff, I'm behind on your MIDI implementation for Mobius. Is anyone > controlling it with just standard program change messages? (which is > what I do with my Looperlative) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 > > >> did you check out it's big brother the midi moose? >> http://www.tech21nyc.com/midimoose.html >> never used one but it's also battery run. I saw a guy in Toronto >> using one of these last summer busking along the water front. >> >> Paul Haslem >> www.dulcify.ca >> >> >> >> >> At 09:46 PM 7/1/2006, you wrote: >> >>> Too bad this doesn't send notes!!!! It would be perfect for street >>> gigs. >>> >>> http://www.zzounds.com/item--TCHMM1 >>> >>> Kris >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 05:01:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEA193BECC; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060702005507.01ca8ee8@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:01:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 In-Reply-To: <1b3501c69d93$36d43cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1b0901c69d79$58a686f0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.0.6.2.20060702000450.01cbfa68@mail.wightman.ca> <1b3501c69d93$36d43cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4D471666 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:01:51 +0000 (UTC) That is what I use, the program change message with the fcb1010. I'm afraid that I'm largely ignorant about midi and the reason I use program change is because that's the way it came out of the box. I plugged it and in mobius clicked on learn and it came up as program change number what ever. I really do need to get into some books on midi or find someone to give me some instruction. I know that I could control my programs to a much higher degree with the foot pedal controller if I could learn how to set it all up. Anyway I use the second bank of 10 pr #s 10 to 19 for mobius and 0 to 09 for my bidule setup and so far it's working very nicely. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 12:51 AM 7/2/2006, you wrote: >Yeah, the Moose looks even better...but I can't find out whether it sends >Note messages. > >Jeff, I'm behind on your MIDI implementation for Mobius. Is anyone >controlling it with just standard program change messages? (which is what >I do with my Looperlative) > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 05:27:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 883E43BEC7; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Roland FC-200 (was RE: Nobels MF-1) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:27:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcadjRVNsYK2WlK8QYSAAPs9L+KFOwACs+Aw Message-Id: <20060702052717.TABT11027.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:27:18 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- Ken_H [mailto:KHL2005@topic.net] wrote: Yes, I had an FC-200. I liked it pretty well another Stick player I respect tremendously uses one, he's toured with it internationally for a looong time and it has worked well for him. ----->Tom Griesgraber uses one and he uses a Repeater--is that who you mean? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 06:21:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93AAA3BEB5; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 06:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005f01c69d9f$9a389c40$9fb6e104@hppav> From: "rdwiv" To: References: <1afc01c69d77$87bac070$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5vQwx.A.5YC.tX2pEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 06:21:33 +0000 (UTC) US Distributor & online store http://www.godlyke.com/Home_Page.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Nobels MF-1 > Can anyone point me to where I can buy a Nobels MF-1 MIDI controller in the > States? A few months ago, I found a single dealer who had them in stock, and > I have lost the link. I need a battery operated MIDI foot controller for > Mobius. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 08:40:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6100A3BEB9; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAD8jp0SBSohBLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060702093632.01c036c8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:40:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Nobels MF-1 In-Reply-To: <20060702040743.98D833BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060702040743.98D833BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:40:29 +0000 (UTC) At 05:07 02/07/2006, you wrote: >Sorry to keep answering my own question...anyone used this? > >http://www.musicplayers.com/reviews/guitars/2006/0406_RolandFC-200.php > >It says it is batter powered, and I believe it sends notes too, Yes, but only in a non-programmable keyboard type layout. Does have a momentary action for CC though. I think there's an issue where you're limited to one type of data depending on which Mode you are in. (ProgCh OR CC OR Note, but not together in a layout) > from the descrption. Looks interesting. > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 14:32:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2891F3BECC; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pSR+te5m68WdFGW5nF7K4TDKMkwFrOKLYaMKEbwBn47akRK5ZKsDSspIrImLWTMvi7S1Me4ZqRhYzpa43E0i8j/07Mdv6ti3QhyaQp0thg3B/Lc22m9ubEQpAADysB2tBZA4TseSCu3NmC7um12h9MhGBu3+VGoWoJDPn8vDaNM= ; Message-ID: <20060702143203.20827.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 07:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: richard moreau Subject: Re: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44A74BD0.4090703@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1244856323-1151850723=:15566" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1OsbyC.A.IwH.mj9pEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:32:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-1244856323-1151850723=:15566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Josh,There will ALWAYS be gigs to do. But, your wife and baby will not always need you like this weekend.They are more important. You may not always have them there. (God forbid).I lost my 21 yr. old daughter three years ago and I still struggle to regain a semblance of "normal" life.Please don't be offended by my email. I too sometimes forgot that music isn't always no. 1. I pray you never have a life lesson like mine to put things into perspective. Take care. Rick Joshua Carroll wrote: Does anyone on this list use either of these products? I guess I'm really just window shopping, but it is feasible that I could eBay some old gear I'm not using right now and scrape up enough cash to buy one. I'd love to hear reviews from you guys, especially pertaining to the Audio I/O side of things. Thanks! --Josh PS: Hope you're all having fun out gigging this Independence Day weekend. I'm home with a sick, 38-weeks-pregnant wife, and honestly feeling a little jealous. Rock out for me! --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1˘/min. --0-1244856323-1151850723=:15566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Josh,There will ALWAYS be gigs to do. But, your wife and baby will not always need you like this weekend.They are more important. You may not always have them there. (God forbid).I lost my 21 yr. old daughter three years ago and I still struggle to regain a semblance of "normal" life.Please don't be offended by my email. I too sometimes forgot that music isn't always no. 1. I pray you never have a life lesson like mine to put things into perspective. Take care. Rick

Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
Does anyone on this list use either of these products? I guess I'm
really just window shopping, but it is feasible that I could eBay some
old gear I'm not using right now and scrape up enough cash to buy one.
I'd love to hear reviews from you guys, especially pertaining to the
Audio I/O side of things.

Thanks!

--Josh

PS: Hope you're all having fun out gigging this Independence Day
weekend. I'm home with a sick, 38-weeks-pregnant wife, and honestly
feeling a little jealous. Rock out for me!


Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1˘/min. --0-1244856323-1151850723=:15566-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 14:42:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D49523BEC7; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1bc701c69de5$c90557c0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1afc01c69d77$87bac070$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <005f01c69d9f$9a389c40$9fb6e104@hppav> Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:42:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Wonderful. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rdwiv" To: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 > US Distributor & online store > http://www.godlyke.com/Home_Page.php > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 8:33 PM > Subject: Nobels MF-1 > > >> Can anyone point me to where I can buy a Nobels MF-1 MIDI controller in > the >> States? A few months ago, I found a single dealer who had them in stock, > and >> I have lost the link. I need a battery operated MIDI foot controller for >> Mobius. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 15:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACB4C3BEB9; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060702052717.TABT11027.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060702052717.TABT11027.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:42:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken_H Subject: Re: Roland FC-200 (was RE: Nobels MF-1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:42:52 +0000 (UTC) >-----Original Message-----Ken_H wrote: > >Yes, I had an FC-200. I liked it pretty well... > >another Stick player I respect tremendously uses one, he's >toured with it internationally for a looong time and it has worked >well for him. -----Then Gary wrote-----: >----->Tom Griesgraber uses one and he uses a Repeater--is that who you mean? >Gary You got it, Gary. http://www.thossounds.com/ I did not want to accidentally sound like 'he officially endorses' Roland. I have no idea about that (but he does use a fair amount of Roland gear). He has Southern California gigs pretty regularly. He's been touring with Jerry Marotta, lately. http://www.jerrymarotta.com/marottagriesgraber.htm They put on a really good show, with great (musical) looping. Helluva rich sound for only two musicians. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 19:01:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63AE33BEC2; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c69e09$f22e1b40$0201a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <20060702040743.98D833BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060702093632.01c036c8@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Nobels MF-1 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:01:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:01:40 +0000 (UTC) The nobels guitar pedals are really good specially at less than 100$ a piece I know and recommend the preamp booster for that clean jump of volume and the excellent and versatile vintage tremolo Claude > At 05:07 02/07/2006, you wrote: >>Sorry to keep answering my own question...anyone used this? >> >>http://www.musicplayers.com/reviews/guitars/2006/0406_RolandFC-200.php >> >>It says it is batter powered, and I believe it sends notes too, > > Yes, but only in a non-programmable keyboard type layout. > > Does have a momentary action for CC though. > > I think there's an issue where you're limited to one type of data > depending on which Mode you are in. > (ProgCh OR CC OR Note, but not together in a layout) > >> from the descrption. Looks interesting. >> >>Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 2 20:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB94F3BEB5; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.53.30] Message-ID: <44A82A92.8090503@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:20:34 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic References: <20060702143203.20827.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060702143203.20827.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060200050205050503060000" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0626-3, 06/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:20:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060200050205050503060000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks man. I'm not offended at all, and I completely agree. I just miss playing right now. --Josh richard moreau wrote: > Josh,There will ALWAYS be gigs to do. But, your wife and baby will not > always need you like this weekend.They are more important. You may not > always have them there. (God forbid).I lost my 21 yr. old daughter > three years ago and I still struggle to regain a semblance of "normal" > life.Please don't be offended by my email. I too sometimes forgot that > music isn't always no. 1. I pray you never have a life lesson like > mine to put things into perspective. Take care. Rick > > */Joshua Carroll /* wrote: > > Does anyone on this list use either of these products? I guess I'm > really just window shopping, but it is feasible that I could eBay > some > old gear I'm not using right now and scrape up enough cash to buy > one. > I'd love to hear reviews from you guys, especially pertaining to the > Audio I/O side of things. > > Thanks! > > --Josh > > PS: Hope you're all having fun out gigging this Independence Day > weekend. I'm home with a sick, 38-weeks-pregnant wife, and honestly > feeling a little jealous. Rock out for me! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1˘/min. > --------------060200050205050503060000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks man.  I'm not offended at all, and I completely agree.  I just miss playing right now.

--Josh



richard moreau wrote:
Josh,There will ALWAYS be gigs to do. But, your wife and baby will not always need you like this weekend.They are more important. You may not always have them there. (God forbid).I lost my 21 yr. old daughter three years ago and I still struggle to regain a semblance of "normal" life.Please don't be offended by my email. I too sometimes forgot that music isn't always no. 1. I pray you never have a life lesson like mine to put things into perspective. Take care. Rick

Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
Does anyone on this list use either of these products? I guess I'm
really just window shopping, but it is feasible that I could eBay some
old gear I'm not using right now and scrape up enough cash to buy one.
I'd love to hear reviews from you guys, especially pertaining to the
Audio I/O side of things.

Thanks!

--Josh

PS: Hope you're all having fun out gigging this Independence Day
weekend. I'm home with a sick, 38-weeks-pregnant wife, and honestly
feeling a little jealous. Rock out for me!


Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
--------------060200050205050503060000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 02:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40ED03BEAF; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702140910.04a6f340@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:24:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.co m> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1Q5IFD.A.LvB.BMIqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:37:54 +0000 (UTC) At 04:56 AM 6/28/2006, Bernhard Wagner wrote: >Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post message >ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: >http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html > >September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. Amazing! 10 years of relentless repetition! When I started this, I never imagined it would still be going 10 years later. Or that I could put up with it for that long. :-) In fact, the Looper's Delight web site was online several months before the list started. I put up the first version of the site around April of 1996. I can see from old emails that I first asked my ISP at the time about starting a mailing list on March 21, 1996. That email is followed by several other mails making the same request over and over again for a period of months without any response, then several more emails complaining about their total lack of customer support. My emails then get more and more aggravated until August 14, 1996, when their system administrator finally starts helping me get the mailing list set up and running. (That started a string of moving Looper's Delight from one incompetent ISP to another, until I finally made the step to running my own server.) >How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing though. Anybody interested? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 02:46:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D3B3BEB9; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dAlZSSLcO/kbN7qKq27u+/6YupF7UCLwgcfh7pR+m5A/+yVxzO0eGMalI/IoPVn3LwdIrxcQSlKy4kQ6QqLNcEO43XXcBaqS1zTib94BYn7CLn8opYAgyzYvrCdTnakpGBXeTRgmdvKsneP2PUzAboQz1JR9lBIAsrb1c8XShJ0= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:46:15 -0400 Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Thread-Index: AcaeStoRGIORlAo+EduE0QAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702140910.04a6f340@loopers-delight.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9xN7ZD.A.RrC.CUIqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Krispin is already organizing a little something online.. .30 second loops. I have to make mine tomorrow! Didn't know if you had seen that come through the pike, kim. All best, T. On 7/2/06 10:24 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > At 04:56 AM 6/28/2006, Bernhard Wagner wrote: >=20 >> Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post messa= ge >> ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: >> http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html >>=20 >> September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. >=20 > Amazing! >=20 > 10 years of relentless repetition! >=20 > When I started this, I never imagined it would still be going 10 years la= ter. >=20 > Or that I could put up with it for that long. :-) >=20 > In fact, the Looper's Delight web site was online several months before t= he > list started. I put up the first version of the site around April of 1996= . >=20 > I can see from old emails that I first asked my ISP at the time about > starting a mailing list on March 21, 1996. That email is followed by > several other mails making the same request over and over again for a > period of months without any response, then several more emails complaini= ng > about their total lack of customer support. My emails then get more and > more aggravated until August 14, 1996, when their system administrator > finally starts helping me get the mailing list set up and running. >=20 > (That started a string of moving Looper's Delight from one incompetent IS= P > to another, until I finally made the step to running my own server.) >=20 >=20 >> How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! >=20 > It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a > lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing > though. Anybody interested? >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 02:50:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC573BEC7; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1c7301c69e4b$672a7790$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:50:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:50:15 +0000 (UTC) A physical event would be cool. I say we have it in Cabo San Lucas on the beach. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Reynolds" To: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Krispin is already organizing a little something online.. .30 second loops. I have to make mine tomorrow! Didn't know if you had seen that come through the pike, kim. All best, T. On 7/2/06 10:24 PM, "Kim Flint" wrote: > At 04:56 AM 6/28/2006, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > >> Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post >> message >> ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: >> http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html >> >> September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. > > Amazing! > > 10 years of relentless repetition! > > When I started this, I never imagined it would still be going 10 years > later. > > Or that I could put up with it for that long. :-) > > In fact, the Looper's Delight web site was online several months before > the > list started. I put up the first version of the site around April of 1996. > > I can see from old emails that I first asked my ISP at the time about > starting a mailing list on March 21, 1996. That email is followed by > several other mails making the same request over and over again for a > period of months without any response, then several more emails > complaining > about their total lack of customer support. My emails then get more and > more aggravated until August 14, 1996, when their system administrator > finally starts helping me get the mailing list set up and running. > > (That started a string of moving Looper's Delight from one incompetent ISP > to another, until I finally made the step to running my own server.) > > >> How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! > > It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a > lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing > though. Anybody interested? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- łVirtue is just repression waiting to go bad˛ - Trevor Exter łClassical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound˛ - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 02:52:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1813BED3; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1c7301c69e4b$672a7790$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1c7301c69e4b$672a7790$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:52:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Ummmmm....Cabo?!....count me in! Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 2, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > A physical event would be cool. I say we have it in Cabo San Lucas on=20= > the beach. :)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 02:55:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 426DE3BED3; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702195121.04870298@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:55:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <4ea506fbed893c589327cf1f1f5b60ad@finleysound.com> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <4ea506fbed893c589327cf1f1f5b60ad@finleysound.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7n3Cp.A.8QD.4cIqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:55:53 +0000 (UTC) At 09:23 PM 6/28/2006, Matthew F.McCabe wrote: >Ironically, 2 days ago I found a printed hardcopy of the email Kim sent me >announcing the list was live!! Of course I recycled it, thinking it would >be silly to mention it on the list. Alas. Hey Matt, I saved that one. You can print it again. :-) Sent on 9/1/96, 1:43 am: ***************************************************** To: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias), Eric Obermuhlner , finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Matthew F. McCabe) From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: test the loop list Cc: Bcc: The looping list is running! It seems to be working ok, could you guys try subscribing to it to test and let me know if you have any problems? I still need to edit the various text files that are automatically generated (I'm waiting for the sysadmin to give me permissions for those files), so its not quite ready for the public. I can edit a lot of the parameters for the list, so if you think of something to change, let me know. I'll announce it publicly some time next week when I'm sure its all going right. the address to subscribe is: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It should subscribe you if you put the word "subscribe" in the subject. If that doesn't work, try putting "subscribe" in the body. If it still doesn't work, try putting ONLY "subscribe" in the body, with no sig files or anything. Once you're subscribed, the address for posting is: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com thanks! kim *************************************************************** ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 03:10:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946DC3BED5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702195927.04296b30@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:10:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <1c7301c69e4b$672a7790$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1c7301c69e4b$672a7790$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:10:37 +0000 (UTC) At 07:50 PM 7/2/2006, Krispen Hartung wrote: >A physical event would be cool. I say we have it in Cabo San Lucas on the >beach. :) Physical event is what I'm talking about, yeah. Cabo sounds good to me also, I had a great vacation down there last year. I still daydream about sipping Damiana Margaritas on the beach. It wouldn't take much convincing to get me back there again! However, it may not be too practical if we want to have people bring their gear and perform, and webcast the results to those who can't get there. What do you guys say, anybody up for a big 10 year anniversary party? Any volunteers to help organize it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 03:11:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 024C73BECD; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?the_PiNG_presents_Worthy_Records'_Josh_St._Denis=2C_-243?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=B0C_and_Anne_Sulikowski?= Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:12:05 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c69e4e$769769b0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:10:59 +0000 (UTC) AMBiENT PiNG RADiO iS JUST A CLiCK AWAY @: http://www.ambientpingradio.com more info here: http://www.theambientping.com/radio.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS =20 @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 03:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67C813BED5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702201731.048abb90@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:24:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702195121.04870298@loopers-delight.com> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <4ea506fbed893c589327cf1f1f5b60ad@finleysound.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702195121.04870298@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-PRN4C.A.d-F.a3IqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:24:10 +0000 (UTC) At 07:55 PM 7/2/2006, Kim Flint wrote: >At 09:23 PM 6/28/2006, Matthew F.McCabe wrote: >>Ironically, 2 days ago I found a printed hardcopy of the email Kim sent >>me announcing the list was live!! Of course I recycled it, thinking it >>would be silly to mention it on the list. Alas. > >Hey Matt, I saved that one. You can print it again. :-) I found another interesting email. Here is the announcement about the list that I sent out to everybody I thought might be interested in looping. I sent it once the list seemed to be working ok, a week or so after it came online. (I was apparently up really late that night, typical.) Sent 9/9/96, 2:47am: ****************************************************** From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: Loopers Unite! Cc: Hello to all my looping friends! I finally started my long promised mailing list for looping. It's called Looper's Delight, and I encourage all you loopers to join! I've created Looper's Delight because I realized some time ago that the world is full of people creating music with looping, yet very few of us seem to be in contact with each other. Lots of different looping techniques are being used by a wide variety of musicians to create all sorts of different music. It is my hope that through communication we can share all our collective knowledge, and our art can grow and progress. Or at the very least we can have a good time talking about it! Looper's Delight is a forum for discussing loop based music in all its various forms, whether it be real-time with Oberheim Echoplexes/Lexicon JamMans or in the studio with hard drives/cd-roms/samplers or whatever. The list address is: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To subscribe send email with "subscribe" in the subject and the body to: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And don't forget to check the Looper's Delight web page, which actually has a very small, yet growing, amount of content, at: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html So come on over and have a chat, and tell all your loopy friends! kim ************************************************************** ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 03:52:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61BD93BED2; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:52:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-PrzxB.A.YoG.3RJqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:52:23 +0000 (UTC) At 08:03 AM 6/28/2006, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >Yep, them was the days young feller (swallows dramatically and spits, >imitating old geezer). >Wait! I AM an old geezer! Just a little over a month later (October 3, >1996) I posted my first >e-mail to Looper's Delight. > >from my old e-mail address KILLINFO@aol.com. Congrats Ted, you made it this far! Who else has survived on the Looper's Delight list the entire 10 years? Some I can think of off the top of my head: Matthias Grob Matt McCabe Michael Peters Ted Killian David Kirkdorffer Robby Aceto Sean Echevarria Chris Muir Paolo Valladolid Dave Trenkel Who else? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 05:43:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F073BEC2; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:43:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 7, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.108 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Do we get some sort of cash reward for hanging in there? Man, it's=20 been rough! On Jul 2, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:03 AM 6/28/2006, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> Yep, them was the days young feller (swallows dramatically and spits,=20= >> imitating old geezer). >> Wait! I AM an old geezer! Just a little over a month later (October=20= >> 3, 1996) I posted my first >> e-mail to Looper's Delight.=20 >> >> from my old e-mail address KILLINFO@aol.com. > > Congrats Ted, you made it this far! > > Who else has survived on the Looper's Delight list the entire 10 = years? > > Some I can think of off the top of my head: > Matthias Grob > Matt McCabe > Michael Peters > Ted Killian > David Kirkdorffer > Robby Aceto > Sean Echevarria > Chris Muir > Paolo Valladolid > Dave Trenkel > > Who else? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 06:40:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50F563BEC5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c69e6b$a1273b70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:40:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Kim Flint said: "It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing though. Anybody interested?" That would be sooooooo fun. I'm in!!!!!! I imagine because Kim lives there that is should be somewhere in the SF Bay Area. I'm up for it and if you need any help organizing, please call on me, Kim. Just email me off list or call me and I'm yours. Also, Kim: Thanks so much for doing this and for keeping so dedicated to it's existence for so long. My whole life changed when I started coming to Loopers Delight regularly and much for the better I must say. I told Massimo Liverani yesterday that I booked a 2 month tour of 8 countries in Europe and England because of a single initial e-mail saying I wanted to do it. That is the power of this community. Massimo, my brother Bill and I played a wonderful looping gig tonight.............only because of Loopers Delight. He came all the way to Santa Cruz from Florence, Italy! Thank you so much for everything you've given to us, Kim yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 07:21:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A0D53BEC5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mqp1P76YI9hRsu4mA1Z/O9cXEaplgf4u9PYfXfsVFQ3oL7oOThyQxF7wGe3JWAjiYmj3dOcqgsK+zcJ/4p9N3WFNEff5yspxA3t2zskPZwtrUVzKqPknuLVN1j9Zkxkbjg1ZbE8G4Eov/ys6UKkDSfZbjihE15IROlnmSV0nwLM= ; Message-ID: <20060703072146.135.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702195927.04296b30@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8WyRDC.A.I0E.LWMqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:21:47 +0000 (UTC) oh man,do it next summer in august man please,please,please i am in california id be willing to fly from SD to the bay area otherwise ill cry!! Luis --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:50 PM 7/2/2006, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >A physical event would be cool. I say we have it > in Cabo San Lucas on the > >beach. :) > > Physical event is what I'm talking about, yeah. > > Cabo sounds good to me also, I had a great vacation > down there last year. I > still daydream about sipping Damiana Margaritas on > the beach. It wouldn't > take much convincing to get me back there again! > > However, it may not be too practical if we want to > have people bring their > gear and perform, and webcast the results to those > who can't get there. > > What do you guys say, anybody up for a big 10 year > anniversary party? Any > volunteers to help organize it? > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 07:31:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3EAC3BED0; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nkdKDSa6wigyiBQ4qWywmhBvBynAn8on1FUSQb+wPFKO6N4o04HCtK46TMOi+H4qnPiqWPacXPj+tTfBwb5aFvaw/q1o8dJjulYCHhJMKXT5z36EnNGg7wSHIyNohITGF1fg84E5QzHIuVBA0b2wJXAOwgdYAiV689N8p8g7/W0= ; Message-ID: <20060703073157.90484.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: tec electronics voice live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44A751AC.20205@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Anybody using this one live? its flirting with me the and the demo is quite impressive! check it out http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceLive Luis www.luis-angulo.com www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 08:31:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3D7B3BEB2; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:31:17 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: FlyLooper & maket potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron & others thanks again for the infos. I'd be happy to see a Mac version of course - though it's probably not a bad idea to get a 100% PC version before porting to Mac. I second the idea to put effort in market & also competition analysis to really have a realistic view on potential. Just think: How much money is spent per year on total on the whole market for sw/hw loopers? Which target groups? How is the market served by the competition today (SW/HW solutions...)? What are your chances to grab a share of the market - realistically? Does your product has a specific USP (unique selling propopsition)? Does it address some user group(s) needs better than other solutions? If the feasability check is positive, you need a good business plan and the funds (money, time, partners...) to implement it... Good luck with your project, Aaron! The good think is that you have hit the "hot spot" for looping with this mailing list :-) Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 08:58:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E463BECC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:58:38 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060703085838.231320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-50 & Loop Decay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks Here is an idea how Loop Decay with RC-50 _could_ possibly work. (btw, I've just received my RC-50... can't wait to try it out tonight at home... :-)) Just one question first: is it possible to switch via MIDI between Play/Rec mode? If yes, do you think something like this would work to implement Loop Decay: You need: - RC-50 - Midi Sequencer that can send midi control messages - Mixer Preparation: - Turn off tempo sync, guide etc. on RC-50 - Connect your midi sequencer & RC-50 via midi - Setup your mixer - send mixer out to RC-50 IN - send RC-50 OUT to mixer - connect your SOURCE signal (i.e. guitar) to mixer - set level of guitar to 100% on mixer - set level of RC-50 out on mixer to i.e. 80% (depending on desired decay level) - (On RC-50, make sure the input signal is not monitored back to mixer) - Program your midi sequencer the following way: - Loop i.e. 2x2bars on midi sequencer - Adjust tempo accordingly - First bar triggers: (stop all phrases &) Phrase1 Play & Phrase2 Record - Second bar triggers: Phrase2 Play & Phrase 1 Record Now, when you perform, the first two phrases of RC-50 should work as a "PING PONG RECORDING". Thus, the loop would be moved from Phrase 1 to Phrase 2 and each turn, the volume would be reduced - depending on the feedback level you set on the mixer. Additionally, you could have another Phrase3 that you could play or record! So, do you think this will work? Of course this boils down to the question: ARE YOU ABLE TO TRIGGER RECORDING or SWITCH BETWEEN RECORD/PLAY VIA MIDI on the RC-50? Best regards Buzap PS: Link to RC-50 manual: http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index_alpha.html#anchor_R PPS: The "fade out" will not be of any use btw, since it just fades out and stops the loop. -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 09:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8DB43BECC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c69e83$ea4d0ba0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:34:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:34:57 +0000 (UTC) I didn't get here until March '97... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, 3 July, 2006 04:52 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > At 08:03 AM 6/28/2006, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >>Yep, them was the days young feller (swallows dramatically and spits, >>imitating old geezer). >>Wait! I AM an old geezer! Just a little over a month later (October 3, >>1996) I posted my first >>e-mail to Looper's Delight. >> >>from my old e-mail address KILLINFO@aol.com. > > Congrats Ted, you made it this far! > > Who else has survived on the Looper's Delight list the entire 10 years? > > Some I can think of off the top of my head: > Matthias Grob > Matt McCabe > Michael Peters > Ted Killian > David Kirkdorffer > Robby Aceto > Sean Echevarria > Chris Muir > Paolo Valladolid > Dave Trenkel > > Who else? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 10:24:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EDE23BECD; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--331115651 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Nobels MF1 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:24:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:24:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--331115651 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I've got an MF1 - I really like it, and for a battery powered pedal board, it's pretty fantastic. I swapped to a Rolls MIDI Wizard just because of the size (MIDI wizard is flat, MF1 and MF2 and shaped like a wedge of cheese), but if I saw an MF2 for sale at a reasonable price, I'd still buy one now as a back up. The MF2 has got the sockets for expression pedals, which are pretty much vital with the looperlative, and its ever growing range of CC controlable functions. ...which reminds me, I must download the latest software update, as Bob has now added individual track by track control of volume and feedback, rather than just control over whichever one is highlighted at the time... cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-10--331115651 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've got an MF1 - I really like = it, and for a battery powered pedal board, it's pretty fantastic. I = swapped to a Rolls MIDI Wizard just because of the size (MIDI wizard is = flat, MF1 and MF2 and shaped like a wedge of cheese), but if I saw an = MF2 for sale at a reasonable price, I'd still buy one now as a back up. = The MF2 has got the sockets for expression pedals, which are pretty much = vital with the looperlative, and its ever growing range of CC = controlable functions.=A0

...which reminds me, I must = download the latest software update, as Bob has now added individual = track by track control of volume and feedback, rather than just control = over whichever one is highlighted at the time...=A0

cheers!

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= --Apple-Mail-10--331115651-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 10:28:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E543BEDC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1151922522!30089633!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93AE@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:28:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69E8B.72F73AB9" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:28:45 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69E8B.72F73AB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" josh- I have an x-station keyboard, the 49 key version. this is the one that's actually a synth aswell. before I bore everyone to death with a mini-review, what is it you're especially interested in? the audio-in is a bit unusual; there are two XLR/jack combo sockets, but one of these inputs disappears if you are using the internal synth. each has it's own stereo effects processor (compressor, delay, reverb, chorus, eq, distortion... all available at once, & then twice over) but I can't remember what happens with this when you link the two inputs to use them as a stereo pair. I'll remind myself later. the USB/midi side of things is very good. you have very flexible routing, & a midi-in (unusual on any keyboard) which you can choose to merge with the USB onto either or both of the midi-outs. there are dozens of templates which allow the use of the "synth" controls as generic midi controllers, & it's really easy to reprogram this to one's own requirements. the synth itself is a mono-timbral novation job which, if that doesn't mean anything, is good. not quite a memorymoog, but as close as you can get with a synth that can be carried under one arm. I love mine. I bought it by mistake (intended to get the simpler controller keyboard). I use it as a remote editor for a "proper" novation (supernova) for which it has a template already, & for a cheetah ms6 (with kris maad's firmware) for which I had to write a template; took about thirty minutes but mostly that was figuring sensible min/max values for things. I'm going to try to use it as a controller/interface with my macbook pro; I'll let you know how I get on. in the meantime, let me know if there's anything specific you want to know, & good luck with the baby! d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69E8B.72F73AB9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic

josh-
I have an x-station keyboard, the 49 key version. this i= s the one that's actually a synth aswell. before I bore everyone to death w= ith a mini-review, what is it you're especially interested in? the audio-in= is a bit unusual; there are two XLR/jack combo sockets, but one of these i= nputs disappears if you are using the internal synth. each has it's own ste= reo effects processor (compressor, delay, reverb, chorus, eq, distortion...= all available at once, & then twice over) but I can't remember what ha= ppens with this when you link the two inputs to use them as a stereo pair. = I'll remind myself later.

the USB/midi side of things is very good. you have very f= lexible routing, & a midi-in (unusual on any keyboard) which you can ch= oose to merge with the USB onto either or both of the midi-outs. there are = dozens of templates which allow the use of the "synth" controls a= s generic midi controllers, & it's really easy to reprogram this to one= 's own requirements.

the synth itself is a mono-timbral novation job which, if= that doesn't mean anything, is good. not quite a memorymoog, but as close = as you can get with a synth that can be carried under one arm.

I love mine. I bought it by mistake (intended to get the = simpler controller keyboard). I use it as a remote editor for a "prope= r" novation (supernova) for which it has a template already, & for= a cheetah ms6 (with kris maad's firmware) for which I had to write a templ= ate; took about thirty minutes but mostly that was figuring sensible min/ma= x values for things.

I'm going to try to use it as a controller/interface with= my macbook pro; I'll let you know how I get on. in the meantime, let me kn= ow if there's anything specific you want to know, & good luck with the = baby!

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C69E8B.72F73AB9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 11:07:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB09C3BED2; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAE2VqESBSohE Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060703120247.01b87cd8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:06:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <20060703102427.1143B3BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060703102427.1143B3BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3-JMYD.A.LvD.VpPqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:07:01 +0000 (UTC) At 11:24 03/07/2006, you wrote: >Who else has survived on the Looper's Delight list the entire 10 years? > >Some I can think of off the top of my head: >Matthias Grob >Matt McCabe >Michael Peters >Ted Killian >David Kirkdorffer >Robby Aceto >Sean Echevarria >Chris Muir >Paolo Valladolid >Dave Trenkel > >Who else? > >kim my first post wasn't till '97, ...so I just miss out. (must have signed up earlier though) My original impression of the list was there was that there were 2 or 3 cliques of guys who all knew each other. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 11:26:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EEDF3BED6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4c++V8ybVr6b7XPJYHSyO3B8UU7LzcdpjAkkBy9+Cnb8yGlqKm+mMBywQ6lsc0XuUipuVoEG7GinnGuzjNoSEr8a4AU3bDSQ5tqwa0jNqd4kOt/MqCpxUZJXaTnP1Hmo6N0eEhTm366cwNBHt1yLyRBjKRx9cVmMJZEng3RcvaI= ; Message-ID: <20060703112612.3768.qmail@web60420.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 04:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00da01c69e6b$a1273b70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1164515915-1151925972=:3494" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9udgTD.A.9UE.V7PqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:26:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1164515915-1151925972=:3494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. --0-1164515915-1151925972=:3494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. --0-1164515915-1151925972=:3494-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 11:56:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6F13BECD; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.242.82.227] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FlyLooper & maket potential Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:56:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2006 11:56:40.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEAF7D20:01C69E97] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Buzap and others- Thanks for all the great information so far. After reading all your emails, two suggestions seem particularly important .... using midi controllers and making this VST compatible .. (also decay, or feedback .. but this is easily done). Using a midi controller instead of a USB device should be no problem ... making this program a VST host (or plugin) is a bit more difficult for me (my program is written in C#, and VST prefers C++). Regarding the market: The market does exist I believe. Specifically, I am marketing to individuals who want to use phrase samplers as a live performance tool, and need to: 1) control loops independently ---- my main gripe with the boomerang, RC-20/50 and others I have tried is that they don't allow independent control .. at most you get one undo .... pretty weak. I'm able to change any/all loops, turn them individually on/off, change tempo, volume, effects, decay, etc. 2) Handle loops of various lengths ---- Other than using Ableton live with programmed midi controllers, nothing I have seen handles loops of different sizes in a live setting (one that is 1 measure long, another that is 3 or 4, etc.) I believe the RC-50 might be able to do this, but only if you explicitly tell it the timing first .... does anyone else know of a product that allows you to record loops of different lengths live (as opposed to stacking loops .. which just adds one waveform on top of the other .. so they are neccessarily the same length). I have a meeting this week with the prouct development supervisor for Statton DJ Electronics (a company I had never heard of ... but that makes a system that allows DJs to scratch MP3s on there computer.... live .....good stuff). Does anyone have any experience with this company?? Like I said, I don't know anything about them. I would prefer to get this off the ground alone or with a small company .... but finding the right people is always a challenge. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks for all the advice so far. PS - I still plan on getting a beta version out, but I'll wait a couple weeks and see if I can get it to work with a midi controller instead of a USB device first. Thanks again -- and your right, this is my new home -- glad to find you all --- : ) Aaron >From: "Buzap Buzap" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: FlyLooper & maket potential >Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:31:17 +0200 > >Hi Aaron & others > >thanks again for the infos. >I'd be happy to see a Mac version of course - though it's probably not a >bad idea to get a 100% PC version before porting to Mac. > >I second the idea to put effort in market & also competition analysis to >really have a realistic view on potential. >Just think: >How much money is spent per year on total on the whole market for sw/hw >loopers? Which target groups? >How is the market served by the competition today (SW/HW solutions...)? >What are your chances to grab a share of the market - realistically? Does >your product has a specific USP (unique selling propopsition)? Does it >address some user group(s) needs better than other solutions? > >If the feasability check is positive, you need a good business plan and the >funds (money, time, partners...) to implement it... > >Good luck with your project, Aaron! The good think is that you have hit the >"hot spot" for looping with this mailing list :-) > >Buzap > > >-- > > >"Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... >Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 12:08:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EB423BED5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.242.82.227] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00da01c69e6b$a1273b70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 08:08:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2006 12:08:29.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[658B2300:01C69E99] Resent-Message-ID: <_btKyD.A.bKG.-iQqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:08:31 +0000 (UTC) I have been looking for a reason to go to SF ...... I know some people who own a coffee shop there that would probably host a little music too. I would love to see everyones gear and music ..... let's make it happen. >From: "loop.pool" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY >Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:40:52 -0700 > >Kim Flint said: >"It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a >lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing >though. Anybody interested?" > > >That would be sooooooo fun. I'm in!!!!!! >I imagine because Kim lives there that is should be somewhere >in the SF Bay Area. > >I'm up for it and if you need any help organizing, please call on me, Kim. >Just email me off list or call me and I'm yours. > >Also, Kim: > >Thanks so much for doing this and for keeping so dedicated to it's >existence for >so long. > >My whole life changed when I started coming to Loopers Delight regularly >and much for the better I must say. > >I told Massimo Liverani yesterday that I booked a 2 month tour of 8 >countries >in Europe and England because of a single initial e-mail saying I wanted to >do >it. That is the power of this community. > >Massimo, my brother Bill and I played a wonderful looping gig >tonight.............only because >of Loopers Delight. He came all the way to Santa Cruz from Florence, >Italy! > >Thank you so much for everything you've given to us, Kim > >yours, Rick > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 12:23:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45EB3BECC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c69e9b$79953960$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060703112612.3768.qmail@web60420.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:23:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:23:18 +0000 (UTC) yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem. in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files. please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics. but relax most of us never figured out how to do it; so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer off good luck Claude http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=unsubscribe&Search=Search&lineonly=on&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case unsubscribe --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 12:39:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293DE3BED2; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c69e9d$d4900460$d8b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> <002001c69e83$ea4d0ba0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:40:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:39:43 +0000 (UTC) I showed up in September '97... > From: "Stephen Goodman" > Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > I didn't get here until March '97... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 13:18:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103B63BECA; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LAynEQh0aIPfgD+/fmgSTvt59+uxCnGM22k0OnX3JlM8uWOQ9cJWlNWd4mOFrHVGcFVu9vR+41bIvSmN5Y9AUEker259LRGhSEoDLYqV59Tv92Nk4Q/JOriwnqbRQv9p7zQ3vq/0VGISRL66Xh9TBixSGgPyOEcAxdvqfv0Ir/c= ; Message-ID: <20060703131802.45280.qmail@web60413.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003801c69e9b$79953960$0400000a@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-24463486-1151932682=:43046" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:18:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-24463486-1151932682=:43046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks claude, i'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't figure it out:) i still don't know how to do it. i'll try again and hope it won't drive me too crazy, so i won't get violent to my computer in the end:) thanks again, ron Claude Voit wrote: yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem. in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files. please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics. but relax most of us never figured out how to do it; so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer off good luck Claude http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=unsubscribe&Search=Search&lineonly=on&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case unsubscribe --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-24463486-1151932682=:43046 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks claude,

i'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't figure it out:)

i still don't know how to do it.

i'll try again and hope it won't drive me too crazy, so i won't get violent to my computer in the end:)

thanks again,


ron

Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem.

in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files.

please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics.

but relax most of us never figured out how to do it;
so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer off
good luck

Claude

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Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-24463486-1151932682=:43046-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 13:32:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 958B33BECD; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c69ea5$27c9b200$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> <002001c69e83$ea4d0ba0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <002601c69e9d$d4900460$d8b85545@Biffoz> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:32:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:32:35 +0000 (UTC) message 153 10 Jul 1997 http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199707/msg00153.html please show some respect ;=) Claude >I showed up in September '97... > >> From: "Stephen Goodman" >> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > >> I didn't get here until March '97... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 13:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9913BED6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1d0001c69ea5$3d249d40$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:33:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm all for the City too. ...any chance I can get, I liketo get down there. And I'll finally be able to show off my notebook looping system! But I am soooooooo way late on the LD scene. I'm embarassed to say that my first post was April 23, 2004, where I introduced myself and my debut solo looping CD "Places" (since then I have produced four more looping CDs and one experimental looping music video) http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200404/msg00430.html?line=3#hilite It sure seems like it has been longer than that. I'm barely worthy of attending a reunion! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron leese" To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: RE: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY > > > I have been looking for a reason to go to SF ...... I know some people who > own a coffee shop there that would probably host a little music too. I > would love to see everyones gear and music ..... let's make it happen. > > >>From: "loop.pool" >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >>Subject: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY >>Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:40:52 -0700 >> >>Kim Flint said: >>"It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a >>lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing >>though. Anybody interested?" >> >> >>That would be sooooooo fun. I'm in!!!!!! >>I imagine because Kim lives there that is should be somewhere >>in the SF Bay Area. >> >>I'm up for it and if you need any help organizing, please call on me, Kim. >>Just email me off list or call me and I'm yours. >> >>Also, Kim: >> >>Thanks so much for doing this and for keeping so dedicated to it's >>existence for >>so long. >> >>My whole life changed when I started coming to Loopers Delight regularly >>and much for the better I must say. >> >>I told Massimo Liverani yesterday that I booked a 2 month tour of 8 >>countries >>in Europe and England because of a single initial e-mail saying I wanted >>to do >>it. That is the power of this community. >> >>Massimo, my brother Bill and I played a wonderful looping gig >>tonight.............only because >>of Loopers Delight. He came all the way to Santa Cruz from Florence, >>Italy! >> >>Thank you so much for everything you've given to us, Kim >> >>yours, Rick >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 13:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B808E3BED6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1d1301c69ea6$db443d40$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 and other battery powered MIDI controllers Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:44:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1D10_01C69E74.8FCC1770" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:44:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1D10_01C69E74.8FCC1770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wedge of cheese....I like that, Steve. They should have called it the = Nobels "WOC-1" (Wedge of Cheese 1). To summarize my research and thinking on this topic, I decided to get = the Tech 21 MIDI Mouse, the cute little pedal that has only one button = to activate a MIDI program, and then two buttons for UP and DOWN. It is = only $99. I decided on this, because I do not plan on playing too many = street gigs where I don't have a powered outlet, and what I'm really = looking for is something utterly simple for when I have to travel and = can't bring my Behringer or something of equivalent size.=20 I did check out the Tech 21 MIDI Moose, which has 6 buttons and bank = changing, and is battery powered as well, but if I'm going to buy = something that has more than one button, I may has well buy the Nobels = or another larger unit. The Nobels looks like a wonderful unit, but = overkill for my needs right now.=20 One thing I noticed that is odd is that I could not find a single web = site where the MIDI Moose is showing for sale with an actual price. I = found a few sites where you have to call it. I must be relatively new on = the market? And I really love the looks of the Roland FC-200. Amazingly, it is also = battery powered and looks sort of like a Behringer FCB, but with only = one expression pedal...same austere European silver metallic exterior, = black buttons, etc. I may actually get this in the future if my FCB = ever breaks down or I need a back-up unit. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Lawson=20 To: Loop List=20 Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: Nobels MF1 I've got an MF1 - I really like it, and for a battery powered pedal = board, it's pretty fantastic. I swapped to a Rolls MIDI Wizard just = because of the size (MIDI wizard is flat, MF1 and MF2 and shaped like a = wedge of cheese), but if I saw an MF2 for sale at a reasonable price, = I'd still buy one now as a back up. The MF2 has got the sockets for = expression pedals, which are pretty much vital with the looperlative, = and its ever growing range of CC controlable functions.=20 ...which reminds me, I must download the latest software update, as = Bob has now added individual track by track control of volume and = feedback, rather than just control over whichever one is highlighted at = the time...=20 cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson ------=_NextPart_000_1D10_01C69E74.8FCC1770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wedge of cheese....I like that, Steve. = They should=20 have called it the Nobels "WOC-1" (Wedge of Cheese 1).
 
To summarize my research and thinking = on this=20 topic, I decided to get the Tech 21 MIDI Mouse, the cute little pedal = that has=20 only one button to activate a MIDI program, and then two buttons for UP = and=20 DOWN.  It is only $99. I decided on this, because I do not plan on = playing=20 too many street gigs where I don't have a powered outlet, and what I'm = really=20 looking for is something utterly simple for when I have to travel and = can't=20 bring my Behringer or something of equivalent size.
 
I did check out the Tech 21 MIDI Moose, = which has 6=20 buttons and bank changing, and is battery powered as well, but if I'm = going to=20 buy something that has more than one button, I may has well buy the = Nobels or=20 another larger unit. The Nobels looks like a wonderful unit, but = overkill for my=20 needs right now.
 
One thing I noticed that is odd is that = I could not=20 find a single web site where the MIDI Moose is showing for sale with an = actual=20 price. I found a few sites where you have to call it. I must be = relatively new=20 on the market?
 
And I really love the looks of the = Roland FC-200.=20 Amazingly, it is also battery powered and looks sort of like a Behringer = FCB,=20 but with only one expression pedal...same austere European silver = metallic=20 exterior, black buttons, etc.  I may actually get this in the = future if my=20 FCB ever breaks down or I need a back-up unit.
 
Kris
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve=20 Lawson
To: Loop List =
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 = 4:24 AM
Subject: Nobels MF1

I've got an MF1 - I really like it, and for a battery = powered=20 pedal board, it's pretty fantastic. I swapped to a Rolls MIDI Wizard = just=20 because of the size (MIDI wizard is flat, MF1 and MF2 and shaped like = a wedge=20 of cheese), but if I saw an MF2 for sale at a reasonable price, I'd = still buy=20 one now as a back up. The MF2 has got the sockets for expression = pedals, which=20 are pretty much vital with the looperlative, and its ever growing = range of CC=20 controlable functions. 

...which reminds me, I must download the latest software update, = as Bob=20 has now added individual track by track control of volume and = feedback, rather=20 than just control over whichever one is highlighted at the = time... 

cheers!

Steve
www.stevelawson.net - site
www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop
http://steve.anthropiccolle= ctive.org=20 - blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson


------=_NextPart_000_1D10_01C69E74.8FCC1770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 13:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B14D3BEEC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dKB683MpgZTfun0mcaKWOwzNq7T0MryziRiPpCnPTkUyQ4xD4pIWs5lDVKKZB/IE; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:55:50 -0700 Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd4829dc368e4360e8ab845f0b37d65e74118f1403e8a44865d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.119.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:49:52 +0000 (UTC) I've made the journey...10 years..Wow joe cavaleri Anyone remember the door x list? On Sunday, July 2, 2006, at 08:52 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:03 AM 6/28/2006, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> Yep, them was the days young feller (swallows dramatically and spits,=20= >> imitating old geezer). >> Wait! I AM an old geezer! Just a little over a month later (October=20= >> 3, 1996) I posted my first >> e-mail to Looper's Delight.=20 >> >> from my old e-mail address KILLINFO@aol.com. > > Congrats Ted, you made it this far! > > Who else has survived on the Looper's Delight list the entire 10 = years? > > Some I can think of off the top of my head: > Matthias Grob > Matt McCabe > Michael Peters > Ted Killian > David Kirkdorffer > Robby Aceto > Sean Echevarria > Chris Muir > Paolo Valladolid > Dave Trenkel > > Who else? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 13:54:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 203EF3BEE9; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zt1VTKWxPtuldfQwJDJZ0H0Pjmtw6IguUdtOVdw1JnOnWQTxyNnEI9DO+zLOaCh4msiWSTQZoN+6YFkDohCclKALZ5oA1lQeZKi9BfnXLBtNu2kyapYV9/moC5aQO6CxPgI+wbRXS0yMUJKFPWnBu+VP9LnMTzZOQ/OwNNiJWxM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:54:36 -0700 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20060703131802.45280.qmail@web60413.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003801c69e9b$79953960$0400000a@mini> <20060703131802.45280.qmail@web60413.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:54:39 +0000 (UTC) This doesn't work for you? To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com On 7/3/06, Ron Baggerman wrote: > thanks claude, > > i'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't figure it out:) > > i still don't know how to do it. > > i'll try again and hope it won't drive me too crazy, so i won't get viol= ent > to my computer in the end:) > > thanks again, > > > ron > > > Claude Voit wrote: > yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem. > > in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files. > > please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics. > > but relax most of us never figured out how to do it; > so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer of= f > good luck > > Claude > > http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=3Dunsubsc= ribe&Search=3DSearch&lineonly=3Don&errors=3D0&maxfiles=3D5000&maxlines=3D0&= .cgifields=3Dlineonly&.cgifields=3Drestricttofiles&.cgifields=3Dfilelist&.c= gifields=3Dpartial&.cgifields=3Dcase > > > > > > > unsubscribe > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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Mail Beta. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 14:01:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 089483BEDC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tOaHlllAgJ+XqVwC/N1m/yx8m2z0ZVTng/KvpxcEJp82BfWUeIQPikL0Z+DMjmf+kZ07WIjd7fwrK/4KuB4hOjxVKCcSL2DmDflhqgLLviHJA64XtQ9M3caOPcuBSBoSI6wpt9hmSQuaJgqpx/iDjRlheH8sFaFqsStZWUIBvxM= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70607030701o6db45db1xb512c9f5f69d819b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:01:33 -0400 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:01:34 +0000 (UTC) I have a problem with my edp - when playing back loops, there's a very high-pitched noise - this edp is a beige one, about 4 years old, anyone have any ideas? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 14:13:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A433BEEC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060703065825.03d89040@mail.creepingfog.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 07:11:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:13:29 +0000 (UTC) The one run by Pete Cole? That's the one where many of the first subscribers came from isn't it? At 7/3/2006 06:55 AM, Sheila Olson wrote: >Anyone remember the door x list? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 14:20:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EE553BED5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RdKRD4/O144Y01K6TT+JISmPU6RpQy8V2P1hETP23ecWKO0q0RcsFwrccYQMSwPp; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:26:17 -0700 Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060703065825.03d89040@mail.creepingfog.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd4829dc368e4360e8abe95361a195255890387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.119.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Yes And I believe it was run by Mr. Cole On Monday, July 3, 2006, at 07:11 AM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > The one run by Pete Cole? That's the one where many of the first > subscribers came from isn't it? > > At 7/3/2006 06:55 AM, Sheila Olson wrote: > >> Anyone remember the door x list? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 14:28:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C14293BEEA; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zbty4OZvdxMm8wnGTNYczB5Jx7KFiiPzAun5tfouerMT1b4xztFezuxziX7Y/1++T6mQjM54pCBgQrgnVDm5V5UVxRJJAE+6QAQ0HJbzhTJjeZDmAvTz8KuoL/nUt8hf2DiN+yR9zYM/ulF3L8lw9Yc/ykJkRrQY7/uPRJS4szY= ; Message-ID: <20060703142830.59199.qmail@web60417.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Baggerman Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-150649408-1151936910=:57478" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:28:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-150649408-1151936910=:57478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi joe, yes, i just discovered it.....thanx, ron http://www.galaxygypsy.nl Joey wrote: This doesn't work for you? To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com On 7/3/06, Ron Baggerman wrote: > thanks claude, > > i'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't figure it out:) > > i still don't know how to do it. > > i'll try again and hope it won't drive me too crazy, so i won't get violent > to my computer in the end:) > > thanks again, > > > ron > > > Claude Voit wrote: > yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem. > > in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files. > > please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics. > > but relax most of us never figured out how to do it; > so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer off > good luck > > Claude > > http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=unsubscribe&Search=Search&lineonly=on&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case > > > > > > > unsubscribe > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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> i still don't know how to do it.
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> to my computer in the end:)
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> thanks again,
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> ron
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> Claude Voit wrote:
> yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem.
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> in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files.
>
> please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics.
>
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> so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer off
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> Claude
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Great rates starting at 1˘/min. --0-150649408-1151936910=:57478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 14:36:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6103C3BEE6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: tec electronics voice live Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:36:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acaecsjcs9wzuhHJS+C3SgfPCBQDEQAOyc7Q In-Reply-To: <20060703073157.90484.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20060703143632.JRRP19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:36:35 +0000 (UTC) I use the Quintet with a sequencer, but the Ztar also works to control it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Anybody using this one live? its flirting with me the and the demo is quite impressive! check it out http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceLive Luis www.luis-angulo.com www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 14:40:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B7D43BEE1; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A9A645E-FD19-482B-84A9-6E901D8ADBE3@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLooper & maket potential Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:40:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:40:31 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2006, at 6:56 AM, aaron leese wrote: > does anyone else know of a product that allows > you to record loops of different lengths live In hardware, check out the Looperlative, www.looperlative.com. In software, a lot of people seem to like Mobius, www.zonemobius.com. On the Mac, check out SooperLooper, www.essej.com and Augustus Loop, www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html. Even though some VST loopers are single track, you can run more than one instance of them in a VST host. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 14:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 340843BEF6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Tech 21 MIDI Mouse Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:42:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaepuFmHZgJJzVMR2GM7OQ+Ybl7pwAB718g In-Reply-To: <1d1301c69ea6$db443d40$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20060703144218.DWVV8537.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 and other battery powered MIDI controllers To summarize my research and thinking on this topic, I decided to get = the Tech 21 MIDI Mouse, the cute little pedal that has only one button to activate a MIDI program, and then two buttons for UP and DOWN.=A0=20 --->Are you sure this will satisfy your needs? I have one, and all it = sends are Program Change messages on a selected channel. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 15:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859C63BEE1; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44A9316F.7010408@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:02:07 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93AE@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93AE@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070806030103060503090500" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0626-3, 06/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:02:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070806030103060503090500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks! I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius. I like that it has the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in commands from my FCB1010. And I was thinking the Synth thing would be really cool. I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an audio channel, right? I'm glad to hear it's easy to program. That means a lot. Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already MIDI continuous controllers? --Josh goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > josh- > I have an x-station keyboard, the 49 key version. this is the one > that's actually a synth aswell. before I bore everyone to death with a > mini-review, what is it you're especially interested in? the audio-in > is a bit unusual; there are two XLR/jack combo sockets, but one of > these inputs disappears if you are using the internal synth. each has > it's own stereo effects processor (compressor, delay, reverb, chorus, > eq, distortion... all available at once, & then twice over) but I > can't remember what happens with this when you link the two inputs to > use them as a stereo pair. I'll remind myself later. > > the USB/midi side of things is very good. you have very flexible > routing, & a midi-in (unusual on any keyboard) which you can choose to > merge with the USB onto either or both of the midi-outs. there are > dozens of templates which allow the use of the "synth" controls as > generic midi controllers, & it's really easy to reprogram this to > one's own requirements. > > the synth itself is a mono-timbral novation job which, if that doesn't > mean anything, is good. not quite a memorymoog, but as close as you > can get with a synth that can be carried under one arm. > > I love mine. I bought it by mistake (intended to get the simpler > controller keyboard). I use it as a remote editor for a "proper" > novation (supernova) for which it has a template already, & for a > cheetah ms6 (with kris maad's firmware) for which I had to write a > template; took about thirty minutes but mostly that was figuring > sensible min/max values for things. > > I'm going to try to use it as a controller/interface with my macbook > pro; I'll let you know how I get on. in the meantime, let me know if > there's anything specific you want to know, & good luck with the baby! > > d. > > | > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius.  I like that it has the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in commands from my FCB1010.  And I was thinking the Synth thing would be really cool.  I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an audio channel, right?

I'm glad to hear it's easy to program.  That means a lot.

Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already MIDI continuous controllers?

--Josh



goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
RE: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic

josh-
I have an x-station keyboard, the 49 key version. this is the one that's actually a synth aswell. before I bore everyone to death with a mini-review, what is it you're especially interested in? the audio-in is a bit unusual; there are two XLR/jack combo sockets, but one of these inputs disappears if you are using the internal synth. each has it's own stereo effects processor (compressor, delay, reverb, chorus, eq, distortion... all available at once, & then twice over) but I can't remember what happens with this when you link the two inputs to use them as a stereo pair. I'll remind myself later.

the USB/midi side of things is very good. you have very flexible routing, & a midi-in (unusual on any keyboard) which you can choose to merge with the USB onto either or both of the midi-outs. there are dozens of templates which allow the use of the "synth" controls as generic midi controllers, & it's really easy to reprogram this to one's own requirements.

the synth itself is a mono-timbral novation job which, if that doesn't mean anything, is good. not quite a memorymoog, but as close as you can get with a synth that can be carried under one arm.

I love mine. I bought it by mistake (intended to get the simpler controller keyboard). I use it as a remote editor for a "proper" novation (supernova) for which it has a template already, & for a cheetah ms6 (with kris maad's firmware) for which I had to write a template; took about thirty minutes but mostly that was figuring sensible min/max values for things.

I'm going to try to use it as a controller/interface with my macbook pro; I'll let you know how I get on. in the meantime, let me know if there's anything specific you want to know, & good luck with the baby!

d.



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--------------070806030103060503090500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 15:02:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 651333BEF5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,201,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="534453570:sNHT82066048" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00da01c69e6b$a1273b70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00da01c69e6b$a1273b70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--314417610 Message-Id: <6c7afc0f9c3bf8e287e3ae1094f83116@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:02:37 -0700 To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <2IWfaB.A.s7F.TGTqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:02:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--314417610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kim, I am waaaaaaaay up in Medford Oregon -- orbiting a little too far =20 outside the apparent looping center of the universe (Bay Area)) to be of much practical =20 help. However, I offer my humble graphic services (such as they are) to whomever =20 organizes and cobbles this thing together. Rick Walker and Jeff Kaiser can both =20 attest to a certain utility I have in the area of graphic stuff. Oh yeah . . . and I'd love to come play too. Count me in. Too bad we =20 couldn't talk ol' Mr. DT (aka: texture444, Hedewa7 and/or Spltrcl) into participating. He =20= was a pretty darn early (if infrequent) contributor also. Andre LaFosse (though no =20= longer among our number), was there practically from the beginning as well. My my =20 my, time flies. Ah . . . the memories. How I heard about the list was through the Oberheim Sales Rep whom I =20 bought my EDPs from (I think). I expressed my intent on maxing out the RAM on =20= the thing right away, but wondered about sources and specs and stuff like that. I =20= believe he suggested signing up to the list -- since you experts were online and =20= operating some sort of web "discussion group." Seemed intriguing so I joined. =20 I've never regretted it for a moment. The web was still pretty new to me then. I'd only been online since =20 about '93 -- and with the slowest modem speed imaginable at that. There was not all that =20= much to do online yet (comparatively) and who would want to anyway when it took =20= about 5 minutes for a single page to load. Those were the days . . . huh? =20 Well, this community quickly morphed from being just a distant conglomeration of similarly =20= equipped and like-minded, nerdy "muzik-doooods" to a community of pretty darn good =20= friends. I think that transition was was mostly helped by eventually meeting a =20= few of you folks face -to-face at Saturday NAMM lunch meetings and such. Plus, I went to =20= Andre's senior recital concert at Cal Arts, met him and there became =20 reacquainted with Joe Cavaleri (with whom I'd gone to some of the same schools from late =20 Elementary to High School though we were a year apart and not very acquainted then) =20= talk about a small world. Then there was Hans Lindauer's Loopstock in San Luis Obispo, CA. Then =20= Rick Walker's Y2KX concert series beginning in 2002 or 2003 (sorry Rick, I forget) =20 which has been ongoing ever since. These sorts of things have really helped cement the =20= relationships made tentatively online. Some of these folks I now consider real =20 amigos, best buds, true friends. Then there is nothing that solidifies relationships like loss . . . . =20= Dr Z passing away this last year was a real blow. I miss his sage and erudite presence all the =20 more. He was a good man. The group lost it's "looping historian" when he died -- and a =20 fine, incisive mind. Well . . . Happy 3rd of July and enjoy the 4th tomorrow too . . . when =20= America celebrates the anniversary of it's independence with an orgy of blowing things up. =20= Heheheh. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:40 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Kim Flint said: > "It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could =20= > be a > lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing > though. Anybody interested?" "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-1--314417610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kim, I am waaaaaaaay up in Medford Oregon -- orbiting a little too far outside the apparent=20 looping center of the universe (Bay Area)) to be of much practical help. However, I offer my humble graphic services (such as they are) to whomever organizes and=20 cobbles this thing together. Rick Walker and Jeff Kaiser can both attest to a certain utility I have in the area of graphic stuff. Oh yeah . . . and I'd love to come play too. Count me in. Too bad we couldn't talk ol' Mr. DT (aka: texture444, Hedewa7 and/or Spltrcl) into participating. He was a pretty=20 darn early (if infrequent) contributor also. Andre LaFosse (though no longer among=20 our number), was there practically from the beginning as well. My my my, time flies. Ah . . . the memories. How I heard about the list was through the Oberheim Sales Rep whom I bought my EDPs from (I think). I expressed my intent on maxing out the RAM on the thing right away, but wondered about sources and specs and stuff like that. I believe he=20 suggested signing up to the list -- since you experts were online and operating some sort of web "discussion group." Seemed intriguing so I joined. I've never regretted it for a moment. The web was still pretty new to me then. I'd only been online since about '93 -- and=20 with the slowest modem speed imaginable at that. There was not all that much to do online yet (comparatively) and who would want to anyway when it took about=20 5 minutes for a single page to load. Those were the days . . . huh? Well, this community quickly morphed from being just a distant conglomeration of similarly equipped and like-minded, nerdy "muzik-doooods" to a community of pretty darn good friends. I think that transition was was mostly helped by eventually meeting a few of you folks face -to-face at Saturday NAMM lunch meetings and such. Plus, I went to Andre's senior recital concert at Cal Arts, met him and there became reacquainted with Joe=20 Cavaleri (with whom I'd gone to some of the same schools from late Elementary to=20 High School though we were a year apart and not very acquainted then) talk about=20 a small world. Then there was Hans Lindauer's Loopstock in San Luis Obispo, CA. Then Rick Walker's Y2KX concert series beginning in 2002 or 2003 (sorry Rick, I forget) which has been=20 ongoing ever since. These sorts of things have really helped cement the relationships made tentatively online. Some of these folks I now consider real amigos, best buds, true friends. Then there is nothing that solidifies relationships like loss . . . . Dr Z passing away this last=20 year was a real blow. I miss his sage and erudite presence all the more. He was a good=20 man. The group lost it's "looping historian" when he died -- and a fine, incisive mind. Well . . . Happy 3rd of July and enjoy the 4th tomorrow too . . . when America celebrates=20 the anniversary of it's independence with an orgy of blowing things up. Heheheh. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:40 PM, loop.pool wrote: Kim Flint said: "It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing though. Anybody interested?" 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-1--314417610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 15:07:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85B3E3BEDE; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1d5a01c69eb2$579d1f00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060703144218.DWVV8537.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Tech 21 MIDI Mouse Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:07:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Yup. I have both my Looperlative and Mobius accepting program changes now, and I do this on only one channel. Basically, all I need to do is send 10-12 program changes via MIDI channel 1, just to trigger basic functions like Record, Overdub, Multiply, Next, etc. I've never been much of MIDI wiz...I don't do all that fancy stuff with syncing, using multiple MIDI channels to send different types data ,etc....I just use the basic functions of mu looping software to the n'th degree. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Tech 21 MIDI Mouse From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 6:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF1 and other battery powered MIDI controllers To summarize my research and thinking on this topic, I decided to get the Tech 21 MIDI Mouse, the cute little pedal that has only one button to activate a MIDI program, and then two buttons for UP and DOWN. --->Are you sure this will satisfy your needs? I have one, and all it sends are Program Change messages on a selected channel. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 15:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71FD53BEF9; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:20:46 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060703152046.18970@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: RE: FlyLooper & maket potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron > 1) control loops independently ---- This is actually also something I'm really missing quite often. A lot of people coming more from tape delays etc. seem to be happy with piling up overdubs on top of each other. Individual control is also something that I think is really useful. I'd be interested in seeing your solution... when you have a Mac port :-) Good luck with your business meetings! Btw, have you ever thought about programming embedded systems and developing a pedal only solution? Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 15:29:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 376BD3BEF4; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060703152046.18970@gmx.net> References: <20060703152046.18970@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:29:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: FlyLooper & maket potential Cc: aaronleese@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Aaron, Seems like a very nice application. The ability to map MIDI control inputs to any of the functions would be a great addition. Does the software allow sessions to be saved? For those of us who do spontaneous live performances is there an option to capture the audio stream for a recorded document of the performance? -CZ -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 15:58:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC01A3BECD; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:56:25 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-reply-to: <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > No criteria, except loop for 30 seconds. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "raul bonell" > > >> Count me in! >> I'll upload that bite soon. >> What criteria for the the whole sequence to follow, Kris? > I realize that your space may be limited, but I feel the need to point out that 30 seconds often is shorter than my typical loop length! ;-) Still, I'm planning on coming up with a loop to contribute. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:01:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 755723BEEC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: In looper's defense... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:01:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:01:42 +0000 (UTC) http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=3419 Interesting apropos philosophy.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:05:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ED113BEF6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAN7bqESBSohE Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060703170323.01b69008@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:04:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Nobels MF1 In-Reply-To: <20060703133320.E347D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060703133320.E347D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0Fc32B.A.hHB.2AUqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:05:10 +0000 (UTC) >...which reminds me, I must download the latest software update, as >Bob has now added individual track by track control of volume and >feedback, rather than just control over whichever one is highlighted >at the time... cheers Steve, thanks for keeping us informed andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01F903BEF4; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:05:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: FlyLooper & maket potential In-Reply-To: References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:05:26 +0000 (UTC) At 04:56 AM 7/3/2006, Aaron wrote: >I have a meeting this week with the prouct development supervisor >for Statton DJ Electronics (a company I had never heard of ... but >that makes a system that allows DJs to scratch MP3s on there >computer.... live .....good stuff). Does anyone have any experience >with this company?? Like I said, I don't know anything about them. >PS - I still plan on getting a beta version out, but I'll wait a >couple weeks and see if I can get it to work with a midi controller >instead of a USB device first. Statton is a well-known DJ equipment manufacturer. They're hardware guys so be sure to pitch the USB controller to them as well. I'm only guessing but I think that they would prefer a hardware/software package or even a hardware package to a software package. So also spend a little time thinking about what it would take to do a quick-and-dirty embedded (crytpo-PC) solution. Good luck! Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:06:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EDC83BEFE; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:06:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:06:04 +0000 (UTC) I hear yah....same with me. My loops typically start at 1 min or so. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:56 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> No criteria, except loop for 30 seconds. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "raul bonell" >> >> >>> Count me in! >>> I'll upload that bite soon. >>> What criteria for the the whole sequence to follow, Kris? >> > I realize that your space may be limited, but I feel the need to point > out that 30 seconds often is shorter than my typical loop length! ;-) > Still, I'm planning on coming up with a loop to contribute. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:06:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A2F93BF06; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:04:26 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? In-reply-to: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44A9400A.3050604@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:06:30 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > All this talk about Eclipse/Fireworx vs. Max/Reaktor > made me think, surely dedicated hardware must sound a > lot better, no? Perhaps software is way more flexible > but is it as good? If all you got from hardware was > lower latency I'd imagine ebay would be flooded with > effects processors to the point people couldn't give > them away. I'm excited about what my humble laptop > can do but will it rival even my modest Lexicon MPX1 > in terms of sound quality? Unless I'm not correctly understanding your question, it seems to me that you're asking about audio quality. This seems like an odd question, if it isn't a troll. ;-) Considering all of the applications a computer can do: play CDs, play DVDs, run sequencers like Sonar and ProTools, run Live, et al, audio quality shouldn't even be an issue unless an app is poorly written. Shouldn't you be asking about timing, latency, ease of operation? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:08:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979993BF08; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAN7bqESBSohE Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060703170718.00f505d0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:07:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20060703150223.EB7BA3BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060703150223.EB7BA3BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:08:30 +0000 (UTC) >This doesn't work for you? poor Claude :-( can no one help him From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:17:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD9C3BF10; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44A9433A.1010200@biink.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:18:02 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot: string qt radio premiere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:17:50 +0000 (UTC) The radio premiere of David Beardsley's (http://biink.com/db/index.htm) 30-minute 2004 string quartet "as beautiful as a crescent of a new moon on a cloudless spring evening" as performed by Christina Fong (http://christinafong.com) can be heard at 11pm PST Friday July 7th on KALW 91.7 FM's "Music from Other Minds" in San Francisco and also via the internet at http://rchrd.com/mfom. David's piece was submitted for a project initiated on the "Why Patterns?" discussion list. "For Feldman" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F3T3PK) is second in a series featuring previously unreleased works by emerging composers. This 96kHz|24bit Audio DVD (plays in any DVD player) contains 4 world premiere recordings and the only available release of 3 works by Morton Feldman. One day after dinner, Morton was sitting at the kitchen table having a taste of water, thinking about a carpet or two, when electricity discontinued. Sun set and awareness gradually changed to wonder as he saw the beauty of the crescent of a new moon on a cloudless spring evening passing by the windows. Many years later, Morton awoke on his couch from an afternoon nap. Venus, the cat, leapt off the window where she was sleeping permitting sunlight to pass through a glass reclining on a table. "That is" he thought, "as beautiful as a crescent of a new moon on a cloudless spring evening". This piece is tuned to the system known as Just Intonation, rational intervals from the harmonic series. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:33:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00E03BED8; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1dcd01c69ebe$6180e590$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VST Host & Effects on PDA Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:33:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:33:16 +0000 (UTC) So.....when will I be able to run my VST host and VST effects on my iPAQ? :) Just checking. That's my next big thing...maybe 5 years? Imagine walking into a gig with an iPAQ or PalmPilot and running all your favorite VSTs, looping programs, etc....that's where I want to be in the future. Plug my guitar into the unit, out into the PA....guitar rack in your back pocket. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:33:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F1733BEFA; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Absent Loopers Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:33:19 +0000 Message-Id: <070320061633.17460.44A946CF0005E9DC0000443422155670740196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17460_1151944399_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:33:21 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17460_1151944399_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Along with Dr. Zvonar let us not forget Fred "Meat Suit" Marshall. His posts were always insightful and amusing. As a long time LD lurkist (cause ya can't get flamed for what you think, just what you post), many thanks to"Him who is Kim" for all the hard work and patience in the interest of art and commerce. bryan helm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17460_1151944399_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Along with Dr. Zvonar let us not forget Fred "Meat Suit" Marshall. His posts were always insightful and amusing. As a long time LD lurkist (cause ya can't get flamed for what you think, just what you post), many thanks to"Him who is Kim" for all the hard work and patience in the interest of art and commerce.
 
                                                                    bryan helm



--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_17460_1151944399_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:35:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1B93BF06; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:35:41 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702140910.04a6f340@loopers-delight.com> Message-ID: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702140910.04a6f340@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <_hlTHD.A.DwC.udUqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:35:59 +0000 (UTC) > At 04:56 AM 6/28/2006, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post message > ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: > http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html > > September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. I don't go anywhere near that far back, although a while, yes. I first heard about this list from Brian of Electric Bird Noise (he's still around, too, having recently posted here) talking to him after a show he did in my area. He replied to an email of mine on 26 June 2000 with info about the list, I subscribed either that or the next day, and my first post was 5 July 2000, making the day after tomorrow my sixth anniversary on this list. My. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:36:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A6793BF13; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:36:11 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:36:41 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" > > I realize that your space may be limited, but I feel the need to point out > that 30 seconds often is shorter than my typical loop length! ;-) Still, > I'm planning on coming up with a loop to contribute. > > Cheers, > Bill Indeed. I went ahead and used it as a constraint I wouldn't normally adhere to, to see what I'd do that I might not normally. Nice challenge for me. One of the self-challenges I came up with a while back was to use only no-longer-manufactured gear for a set of sessions I called "planned obsolescence" - that's not a hard challenge for most of us here, but it did mean I had to not play either of my primary instruments, or use the majority of my favorite effects. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66E513BF02; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1151945260!33039135!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93BA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:47:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69EC0.65313DA5" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:47:43 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69EC0.65313DA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius. I like that it has the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in commands from my FCB1010. And I was thinking the Synth thing would be really cool. I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an audio channel, right? I'm glad to hear it's easy to program. That means a lot. Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already MIDI continuous controllers? << josh- yes, the midi-in was an unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, if I recall correctly, will also merge it's incoming with it's outgoing in this fashion, so you can daisy chain them & another device. midi coming back up the usb cable can be merged onto none, one or both of the midi-outs. the synth-audio will find it's way out the usb.... but as a purely practical point, I have never tried the thing as an audio interface with the synth active aswell as the audio-in. so I don't know if this is presented to the computer as two or four channels of audio. tonight I will have a look. the continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & buttons aswell as the sliders) are freely assignable, & this doesn't "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler than that- the synth mode & the controller mode are two separate states of the machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or "controller" mode. I hardly use the synth engine, despite it's being rather good, because- well- I'm spoiled for synths already. did I mention the quality of the hardware? it feels pretty solid compared to most of those controller keyboards (evolution &c., you know the ones I mean). the only drag is having to use a wall-wart when it's not usb-powered. it needs 500mA so a direct connection to a desktop is ok, laptops might be a bit iffy. a powered hub is probably the way to go there. it will run off batteries too. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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 >> I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius.  I like that it has the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in commands from my FCB1010.  And I was thinking the Synth thing would be really cool.  I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an audio channel, right?

I'm glad to hear it's easy to program.  That means a lot.

Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already MIDI continuous controllers? <<
 
josh-
yes, the midi-in was an unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, if I recall correctly, will also merge it's incoming with it's outgoing in this fashion, so you can daisy chain them & another device. midi coming back up the usb cable can be merged onto none, one or both of the midi-outs. 
 
the synth-audio will find it's way out the usb.... but as a purely practical point, I have never tried the thing as an audio interface with the synth active aswell as the audio-in. so I don't know if this is presented to the computer as two or four channels of audio. tonight I will have a look.
the continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & buttons aswell as the sliders) are freely assignable, & this doesn't "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler than that- the synth mode & the controller mode are two separate states of the machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or "controller" mode. 
I hardly use the synth engine, despite it's being rather good, because- well- I'm spoiled for synths already.
 
did I mention the quality of the hardware? it feels pretty solid compared to most of those controller keyboards (evolution &c., you know the ones I mean). the only drag is having to use a wall-wart when it's not usb-powered. it needs 500mA so a direct connection to a desktop is ok, laptops might be a bit iffy. a powered hub is probably the way to go there. it will run off batteries too.
 
d.


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69EC0.65313DA5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:51:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A241F3BEF5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: string qt radio premiere Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:51:36 +0200 Message-ID: <00b001c69ec0$f32f2360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcaevpJXAtsOXBtKSRCHDAilldt0tgAAfMiQ In-Reply-To: <44A9433A.1010200@biink.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_-wZuD.A.xpD.esUqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:51:42 +0000 (UTC) > The radio premiere of David Beardsley's > (http://biink.com/db/index.htm) 30-minute 2004 string quartet > "as beautiful as a crescent of a new moon on a cloudless > spring evening" as performed by Christina Fong > (http://christinafong.com) can be heard at 11pm PST Friday > July 7th on KALW 91.7 FM's "Music from Other Minds" in San > Francisco and also via the internet at http://rchrd.com/mfom. hey congrats David! you've made it into the inner circle of composers such as Ligeti, Berio, Maderna. I've only heard your guitar work so far and I'm looking forward to that radio feature! -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 16:56:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 814A33BF14; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44A94C23.7010504@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:56:03 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93BA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93BA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070109000706030204030508" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0626-3, 06/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:56:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070109000706030204030508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent! I'm becoming more and more impressed with it! I look forward to hearing what you find regarding using synth and the audio interface simultaneously. --Josh goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio > interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius. I like that it has > the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in > commands from my FCB1010. And I was thinking the Synth thing would be > really cool. I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an audio > channel, right? > > I'm glad to hear it's easy to program. That means a lot. > > Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already > MIDI continuous controllers? << > > josh- > yes, the midi-in was an unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, if I > recall correctly, will also merge it's incoming with it's outgoing in > this fashion, so you can daisy chain them & another device. midi > coming back up the usb cable can be merged onto none, one or both of > the midi-outs. > > the synth-audio will find it's way out the usb.... but as a purely > practical point, I have never tried the thing as an audio interface > with the synth active aswell as the audio-in. so I don't know if this > is presented to the computer as two or four channels of audio. tonight > I will have a look. > the continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & > buttons aswell as the sliders) are freely assignable, & this doesn't > "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler than that- > the synth mode & the controller mode are two separate states of the > machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or "controller" mode. > I hardly use the synth engine, despite it's being rather good, > because- well- I'm spoiled for synths already. > > did I mention the quality of the hardware? it feels pretty solid > compared to most of those controller keyboards (evolution &c., you > know the ones I mean). the only drag is having to use a wall-wart when > it's not usb-powered. it needs 500mA so a direct connection to a > desktop is ok, laptops might be a bit iffy. a powered hub is probably > the way to go there. it will run off batteries too. > > d. > | > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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I look forward to hearing what you find regarding using synth and the audio interface simultaneously.

--Josh



goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
RE: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic
 >> I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius.  I like that it has the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in commands from my FCB1010.  And I was thinking the Synth thing would be really cool.  I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an audio channel, right?

I'm glad to hear it's easy to program.  That means a lot.

Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already MIDI continuous controllers? <<
 
josh-
yes, the midi-in was an unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, if I recall correctly, will also merge it's incoming with it's outgoing in this fashion, so you can daisy chain them & another device. midi coming back up the usb cable can be merged onto none, one or both of the midi-outs. 
 
the synth-audio will find it's way out the usb.... but as a purely practical point, I have never tried the thing as an audio interface with the synth active aswell as the audio-in. so I don't know if this is presented to the computer as two or four channels of audio. tonight I will have a look.
the continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & buttons aswell as the sliders) are freely assignable, & this doesn't "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler than that- the synth mode & the controller mode are two separate states of the machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or "controller" mode. 
I hardly use the synth engine, despite it's being rather good, because- well- I'm spoiled for synths already.
 
did I mention the quality of the hardware? it feels pretty solid compared to most of those controller keyboards (evolution &c., you know the ones I mean). the only drag is having to use a wall-wart when it's not usb-powered. it needs 500mA so a direct connection to a desktop is ok, laptops might be a bit iffy. a powered hub is probably the way to go there. it will run off batteries too.
 
d.


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--------------070109000706030204030508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 17:05:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 410A23BEE4; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ddc01c69ec2$dca6f0d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:05:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:05:21 +0000 (UTC) Well, you guys could be humorous and record a full length looping song, and then use Acid or something like it to shrink it down to 30 second....for those stretched out and slow moving ambient pieces, it might sound interesting, like watching a flower bloom using time lapse videography. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" >> >> I realize that your space may be limited, but I feel the need to point >> out that 30 seconds often is shorter than my typical loop length! ;-) >> Still, I'm planning on coming up with a loop to contribute. >> >> Cheers, >> Bill > > Indeed. I went ahead and used it as a constraint I wouldn't normally > adhere to, to see what I'd do that I might not normally. Nice challenge > for me. > > One of the self-challenges I came up with a while back was to use only > no-longer-manufactured gear for a set of sessions I called "planned > obsolescence" - that's not a hard challenge for most of us here, but it > did mean I had to not play either of my primary instruments, or use the > majority of my favorite effects. > > best, > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 17:09:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E123BEE4; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <44A94C23.7010504@infinivert.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93BA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <44A94C23.7010504@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--306852634 Message-Id: <97612804-237F-400B-8E94-31E8298666CD@craigmccollough.com> From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:08:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:09:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--306852634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Josh - I have a X-Station 25 and love it - a real inspiring instrument, imho the faders are both used for the onboard synth and for midi control - a button toggles between the two states. When presented in Live, there are two audio inputs, and the hardware synth audio is mixed with the two XLR inputs Cheers, Craig On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Excellent! I'm becoming more and more impressed with it! > > I look forward to hearing what you find regarding using synth and > the audio interface simultaneously. > > --Josh > > > > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >> >> I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/ >> secondary MIDI controller for Mobius. I like that it has the MIDI >> in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in >> commands from my FCB1010. And I was thinking the Synth thing >> would be really cool. I assume you send the synth audio via USB >> on an audio channel, right? >> >> I'm glad to hear it's easy to program. That means a lot. >> >> Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they >> already MIDI continuous controllers? << >> >> josh- >> yes, the midi-in was an unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, >> if I recall correctly, will also merge it's incoming with it's >> outgoing in this fashion, so you can daisy chain them & another >> device. midi coming back up the usb cable can be merged onto none, >> one or both of the midi-outs. >> >> the synth-audio will find it's way out the usb.... but as a purely >> practical point, I have never tried the thing as an audio >> interface with the synth active aswell as the audio-in. so I don't >> know if this is presented to the computer as two or four channels >> of audio. tonight I will have a look. >> the continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & >> buttons aswell as the sliders) are freely assignable, & this >> doesn't "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler >> than that- the synth mode & the controller mode are two separate >> states of the machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or >> "controller" mode. >> I hardly use the synth engine, despite it's being rather good, >> because- well- I'm spoiled for synths already. >> >> did I mention the quality of the hardware? it feels pretty solid >> compared to most of those controller keyboards (evolution &c., you >> know the ones I mean). the only drag is having to use a wall-wart >> when it's not usb-powered. it needs 500mA so a direct connection >> to a desktop is ok, laptops might be a bit iffy. a powered hub is >> probably the way to go there. it will run off batteries too. >> >> d. >> >> >> ********************************************************************* >> ****** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >> be privileged. 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I have a X-Station 25 and = love it - a real inspiring instrument, imho

the faders are both used = for the onboard synth and for midi control - a button toggles between = the two states.=A0

When presented in Live, = there are two audio inputs, and the hardware synth audio is mixed with = the two XLR inputs

Cheers,
Craig
=

On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Joshua Carroll = wrote:

Excellent!=A0 I'm becoming more and more impressed with = it!

I look forward to hearing what you find regarding using = synth and the audio interface simultaneously.

--Josh

=

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com = wrote:
=A0>>=A0= I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/secondary = MIDI controller for Mobius.=A0 I like that it has the MIDI in you talked = about because that will allow me to merge in commands from my FCB1010.=A0 = And I was thinking the Synth thing would be really cool.=A0 I assume you = send the synth audio via USB on an audio channel, right?

I'm = glad to hear it's easy to program.=A0 That means a lot.

Are = the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already MIDI = continuous controllers?=A0<<
=A0
josh-
=
yes, the midi-in was an = unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, if I recall correctly, will = also merge it's incoming with it's outgoing in this fashion, so you can = daisy chain them & another device. midi coming back up the usb cable = can be=A0merged onto none, one or both of the = midi-outs.=A0
=A0
the synth-audio will find = it's way out the usb.... but as a purely practical point, I have never = tried the thing as an audio interface with the synth active aswell as = the audio-in. so I don't know if this is presented to the computer as = two or four channels of audio. tonight I will have a = look.
the = continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & buttons = aswell as=A0the sliders)=A0are freely assignable, & this doesn't = "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler than that- the = synth mode & the controller mode are two separate states of the = machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or "controller" = mode.=A0
I hardly use the synth = engine, despite it's being rather good, because- well- I'm spoiled for = synths already.
=A0
did I mention the quality = of the hardware? it feels pretty solid compared to most of those = controller keyboards (evolution &c.,=A0you know the ones I mean). = the only drag is having to use a wall-wart when it's not usb-powered. it = needs 500mA so a direct connection to a desktop is ok, laptops might be = a bit iffy. a powered hub is probably the way to go there. it will run = off batteries too.
=A0
d.
=

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= --Apple-Mail-1--306852634-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 17:37:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A7B03BEE6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1dcd01c69ebe$6180e590$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1dcd01c69ebe$6180e590$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:37:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: VST Host & Effects on PDA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:37:05 +0000 (UTC) At 10:33 AM -0600 7/3/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >So.....when will I be able to run my VST host and VST effects on my >iPAQ? :) Just checking. That's my next big thing...maybe 5 years? >Imagine walking into a gig with an iPAQ or PalmPilot and running all >your favorite VSTs, looping programs, etc....that's where I want to >be in the future. Plug my guitar into the unit, out into the >PA....guitar rack in your back pocket. Well, there's at least one already available over on the Palm platform. I remember seeing a blurb on a mini-Ableton clone in one of my synth magazines last year. I'm pretty certain it made use of an external interface that had already been manufactured for exactly this sort of application (which leads me to believe that there are several other Palm apps of this nature). Seems to me that it could act as a VST host as well. Pretty kewl, but I got distracted by some other shiny thing and never did any more research on it. I'll see if I can go through my back issues later today and come up with something more concrete... --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 17:53:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 673A03BEF5; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060703152046.18970@gmx.net> References: <20060703152046.18970@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <15a3d7915b41f7f81be9c778532f4fa0@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: FlyLooper & maket potential Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:53:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:53:51 +0000 (UTC) That is a nice feature, I love it in Max... :-) On Jul 3, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> 1) control loops independently ---- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 17:56:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FE093BEF7; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44A95A6F.6040101@biink.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:57:03 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: string qt radio premiere References: <00b001c69ec0$f32f2360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <00b001c69ec0$f32f2360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: >hey congrats David! you've made it into the inner circle of composers such >as Ligeti, Berio, Maderna. I've only heard your guitar work so far and I'm >looking forward to that radio feature! > >-Michael >www.michaelpeters.de > Wow, thanks Michael. The inner circle of composers? Check that out... -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 18:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 091C23BEFF; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers Delight Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--303510336 From: Ken Hawkins Subject: selling gear off Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:04:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.surgecenter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rosewoodblues.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:04:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--303510336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, I am parting company with some items to make room for other ends. In short I have a few peices for sale here; Rosewoodblues : Selling i want give others the opprotunity before I ebay them A UV777 approx. 1 year old and no marks! this is is perfect shape. - $1300.00 Line 6 variax 600 (white) less than one year old. Again, never left the studio and barely used. Perfect shape. Added Planet waves tuners and will ship original tuners. - $800.00 obo Apple Powerbook 17" G4 w/2 gig of ram. Loaded for bear this has been used for on site recording with Pro Tools and Logic. Has visible signs of use, all manuals and software included. - $2400.00 Line 6 Vetta II combo; Vetta II in system I am using it to drive a mesa Boogie Mark IV in the pics. however it is up to date 2.5 software light usage, new plastic no-vibrate knobs and will ship original heavy knobs. - $1300.00 Line 6 FBV long board (no pics yet) however it is in the box with no marks. - $350.00 feel free to contact me and I will take any REASONABLE offer. I will make room for a package deal, if you want all the Line 6 stuff make me an offer. These are on the table for about a week before I put them on ebay. I would like to sell the amp locally as it is a heavy beast! I am local in Atlanta. thanks and cheers, ken; --Apple-Mail-1--303510336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Hi all,

I am parting = company with some items to make room for other ends. In short I have a = few peices for sale here;

Rosewoodblues : = Selling

i want give others = the opprotunity before I ebay them

A UV777 approx. 1 year old and no marks! this = is is perfect shape. - $1300.00

Line 6 variax 600 (white) less than one year = old. Again, never left the studio and barely used. Perfect shape. Added = Planet waves tuners and will ship original tuners. - $800.00 = obo

Apple Powerbook = 17" G4 w/2 gig of ram. Loaded for bear this has been used for on site = recording with Pro Tools and Logic. Has visible signs of use, all = manuals and software included. - $2400.00

Line 6 Vetta II = combo;

Vetta II in = system
 = I am using it to drive a mesa Boogie Mark IV in the pics. however it is = up to date 2.5 software light usage, new plastic no-vibrate knobs and = will ship original heavy knobs. - $1300.00

Line 6 FBV long = board (no pics yet) however it is in the box with no marks. - = $350.00

feel free to = contact me and I will take any REASONABLE offer. I will make room for a = package deal, if you want all the Line 6 stuff make me an = offer.

These are on the = table for about a week before I put them on ebay. I would like to sell = the amp locally as it is a heavy beast! I am local in = Atlanta.

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 = ken;

= --Apple-Mail-1--303510336-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 18:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30FD53BEFB; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:09:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702140910.04a6f340@loopers-delight.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:09:57 +0000 (UTC) I'd be happy to contribute in what ever way I can, bring the pretzels and beer, what ever... Do some interpretive dance while people play...just say the word. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? At 04:56 AM 6/28/2006, Bernhard Wagner wrote: >Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post message >ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: >http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html > >September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. Amazing! 10 years of relentless repetition! When I started this, I never imagined it would still be going 10 years later. Or that I could put up with it for that long. :-) In fact, the Looper's Delight web site was online several months before the list started. I put up the first version of the site around April of 1996. I can see from old emails that I first asked my ISP at the time about starting a mailing list on March 21, 1996. That email is followed by several other mails making the same request over and over again for a period of months without any response, then several more emails complaining about their total lack of customer support. My emails then get more and more aggravated until August 14, 1996, when their system administrator finally starts helping me get the mailing list set up and running. (That started a string of moving Looper's Delight from one incompetent ISP to another, until I finally made the step to running my own server.) >How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! It would be wonderful to do a 10 year anniversary event! That could be a lot of fun. I would really need people to help organize such a thing though. Anybody interested? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 18:35:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309823BEFE; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:35:14 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <1ddc01c69ec2$dca6f0d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1ddc01c69ec2$dca6f0d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:35:31 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, you guys could be humorous and record a full length looping song, and > then use Acid or something like it to shrink it down to 30 second....for > those stretched out and slow moving ambient pieces, it might sound > interesting, like watching a flower bloom using time lapse videography. Actually, I used to go the other way, using the tempo changing without pitchshifting feature of the Repeater to take a riff or even a single long note and stretch it - I found interesting the small shifts that became apparent when you took a single whole note and stretched it from 120bpm all the way out to 1 bpm. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > K- > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" >>> >>> I realize that your space may be limited, but I feel the need to point out >>> that 30 seconds often is shorter than my typical loop length! ;-) Still, >>> I'm planning on coming up with a loop to contribute. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bill >> >> Indeed. I went ahead and used it as a constraint I wouldn't normally adhere >> to, to see what I'd do that I might not normally. Nice challenge for me. >> >> One of the self-challenges I came up with a while back was to use only >> no-longer-manufactured gear for a set of sessions I called "planned >> obsolescence" - that's not a hard challenge for most of us here, but it did >> mean I had to not play either of my primary instruments, or use the >> majority of my favorite effects. >> >> best, >> Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 19:29:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768853BEE7; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44A9701F.9010000@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:29:35 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93BA@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <44A94C23.7010504@infinivert.com> <97612804-237F-400B-8E94-31E8298666CD@craigmccollough.com> In-Reply-To: <97612804-237F-400B-8E94-31E8298666CD@craigmccollough.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030206030203080708070900" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-0, 07/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:29:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030206030203080708070900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks! The good thing I'm seeing about this particular interface is that even if I eventually decide to move to a MOTU Ultralite or something similar with more audio i/o, the X-Station will still be incredibly useful as both a MIDI controller and a synth. Guess I'll have to start saving my pennies! Thanks so much for the input! --Josh Craig McCollough wrote: > Hi Josh - > > I have a X-Station 25 and love it - a real inspiring instrument, imho > > the faders are both used for the onboard synth and for midi control - > a button toggles between the two states. > > When presented in Live, there are two audio inputs, and the hardware > synth audio is mixed with the two XLR inputs > > Cheers, > Craig > > On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> Excellent! I'm becoming more and more impressed with it! >> >> I look forward to hearing what you find regarding using synth and the >> audio interface simultaneously. >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>> >> I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio >>> interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius. I like that it has >>> the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in >>> commands from my FCB1010. And I was thinking the Synth thing would >>> be really cool. I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an >>> audio channel, right? >>> >>> I'm glad to hear it's easy to program. That means a lot. >>> >>> Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already >>> MIDI continuous controllers? << >>> >>> josh- >>> yes, the midi-in was an unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, if >>> I recall correctly, will also merge it's incoming with it's outgoing >>> in this fashion, so you can daisy chain them & another device. midi >>> coming back up the usb cable can be merged onto none, one or both of >>> the midi-outs. >>> >>> the synth-audio will find it's way out the usb.... but as a purely >>> practical point, I have never tried the thing as an audio interface >>> with the synth active aswell as the audio-in. so I don't know if >>> this is presented to the computer as two or four channels of audio. >>> tonight I will have a look. >>> the continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & >>> buttons aswell as the sliders) are freely assignable, & this doesn't >>> "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler than that- >>> the synth mode & the controller mode are two separate states of the >>> machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or "controller" mode. >>> I hardly use the synth engine, despite it's being rather good, >>> because- well- I'm spoiled for synths already. >>> >>> did I mention the quality of the hardware? it feels pretty solid >>> compared to most of those controller keyboards (evolution &c., you >>> know the ones I mean). the only drag is having to use a wall-wart >>> when it's not usb-powered. it needs 500mA so a direct connection to >>> a desktop is ok, laptops might be a bit iffy. a powered hub is >>> probably the way to go there. it will run off batteries too. >>> >>> d. >>> | >>> >>> *************************************************************************** >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >>> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >>> be privileged. 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The good thing I'm seeing about this particular interface is that even if I eventually decide to move to a MOTU Ultralite or something similar with more audio i/o, the X-Station will still be incredibly useful as both a MIDI controller and a synth.

Guess I'll have to start saving my pennies!

Thanks so much for the input!

--Josh



Craig McCollough wrote:
Hi Josh -

I have a X-Station 25 and love it - a real inspiring instrument, imho

the faders are both used for the onboard synth and for midi control - a button toggles between the two states. 

When presented in Live, there are two audio inputs, and the hardware synth audio is mixed with the two XLR inputs

Cheers,
Craig

On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Joshua Carroll wrote:

Excellent!  I'm becoming more and more impressed with it!

I look forward to hearing what you find regarding using synth and the audio interface simultaneously.

--Josh



goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
 >> I'm thinking about using one of these as an audio interface/secondary MIDI controller for Mobius.  I like that it has the MIDI in you talked about because that will allow me to merge in commands from my FCB1010.  And I was thinking the Synth thing would be really cool.  I assume you send the synth audio via USB on an audio channel, right?

I'm glad to hear it's easy to program.  That means a lot.

Are the 9 faders pre-assigned to synth controls, or are they already MIDI continuous controllers? <<
 
josh-
yes, the midi-in was an unexpected bonus. in fact, you'r fcb1010, if I recall correctly, will also merge it's incoming with it's outgoing in this fashion, so you can daisy chain them & another device. midi coming back up the usb cable can be merged onto none, one or both of the midi-outs. 
 
the synth-audio will find it's way out the usb.... but as a purely practical point, I have never tried the thing as an audio interface with the synth active aswell as the audio-in. so I don't know if this is presented to the computer as two or four channels of audio. tonight I will have a look.
the continuous controllers (all of them- there are many knobs & buttons aswell as the sliders) are freely assignable, & this doesn't "break" what they do in synth-mode. in fact, it's simpler than that- the synth mode & the controller mode are two separate states of the machine, with one switch to enable "synth" or "controller" mode. 
I hardly use the synth engine, despite it's being rather good, because- well- I'm spoiled for synths already.
 
did I mention the quality of the hardware? it feels pretty solid compared to most of those controller keyboards (evolution &c., you know the ones I mean). the only drag is having to use a wall-wart when it's not usb-powered. it needs 500mA so a direct connection to a desktop is ok, laptops might be a bit iffy. a powered hub is probably the way to go there. it will run off batteries too.
 
d.


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--------------030206030203080708070900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 19:31:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE233BEEC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:29:55 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J5565.501bS.240fM" Message-Id: <20060703.123025.25474.268240@webmail52.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1560249127 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5O0fr6CQThS8ke+xErQjZwTnEyj+OV2kaw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.192|webmail52.nyc.untd.com|webmail52.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:31:11 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J5565.501bS.240fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain An Event would be great! I think I joined in 99 but the years have been= foggy.... I would like to come to SF next year1 = Weg ----__JWM__J5565.501bS.240fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

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----__JWM__J5565.501bS.240fM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 20:20:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE2683BF01; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iHxsU0EEwQJ7hE5bmfZlwMsYq2KMq/EJeoLFN6nGwp9Bqxs2bpledaqzZ3Z43RRWxmZXuij4yIeMbZRVH7t5sHA2WZuDyVqWBU5TFcTdwCOvvfyxDWOJobDwhWXtPleKWW73MBRnN9vj+qcFblYuuzS0ZpT082HswVjONdSYrBM= ; Message-ID: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44A9400A.3050604@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8M-i5.A.6WE.jwXqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Well partially I was thinking that most of us with pro-sumer level audio interfaces wouldn't get the same high quality output that a dedicated machine might get. I could be totally wrong though, which is why I asked. If you're truely saying that for the price of a laptop (to use me as an example) ($1400), audio interface ($200) and Reaktor software ($300) I'd get something on par with an Exclipse, well then I'd be shaking in my boots if I was a hardware manufacture. M --- Bill Fox wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: > > > All this talk about Eclipse/Fireworx vs. > Max/Reaktor > > made me think, surely dedicated hardware must > sound a > > lot better, no? Perhaps software is way more > flexible > > but is it as good? If all you got from hardware > was > > lower latency I'd imagine ebay would be flooded > with > > effects processors to the point people couldn't > give > > them away. I'm excited about what my humble laptop > > can do but will it rival even my modest Lexicon > MPX1 > > in terms of sound quality? > > Unless I'm not correctly understanding your > question, it seems to me > that you're asking about audio quality. This seems > like an odd > question, if it isn't a troll. ;-) Considering all > of the applications > a computer can do: play CDs, play DVDs, run > sequencers like Sonar and > ProTools, run Live, et al, audio quality shouldn't > even be an issue > unless an app is poorly written. Shouldn't you be > asking about timing, > latency, ease of operation? > > Cheers, > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 20:36:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 239FB3BEEC; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:35:58 -0700 Subject: Re: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1d0001c69ea5$3d249d40$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <88970E8E-0AD3-11DB-B20C-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.285 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <1ozcrB.A.9KF.x-XqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:36:01 +0000 (UTC) On Monday, July 3, 2006, at 06:33 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm all for the City too. ...any chance I can get, I liketo get down > there. And I'll finally be able to show off my notebook looping > system! > > But I am soooooooo way late on the LD scene. I'm embarassed to say > that my first post was April 23, 2004, where I introduced myself and > my debut solo looping CD "Places" (since then I have produced four > more looping CDs and one experimental looping music video) > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200404/ > msg00430.html?line=3#hilite > > It sure seems like it has been longer than that. I'm barely worthy of > attending a reunion! > > Kris > That's OK Kris, I guess I've been around since the first batch of subscribers, and I STILL haven't gotten around to releasing ( or recording for that matter) that solo looping CD. So you're definitely ahead on that point :-) (Though, to my credit, I have released 6 other discs in that time, and worked on a whole lot of others for other people). It's kind of amazing that it's been a decade, this is the only list I've stayed on that long, though I have been on and off of Analog Heaven several times in the same period. It's been a very cool community. Thanks, Kim! Just a thought, what about making the 10 year anniversary celebration coincide with Y2K6 in Santa Cruz? I am hoping to attend this year, at least as an audient if not a performer. And, speaking of notebook looping systems, a brand new dual-core Thinkpad T60 kind of just fell into my lap! My old Thinkpad just barely runs Mobius in standalone, I wasn't planning on replacing it, but was just offered an amazing deal on this new lappy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 20:37:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 313CC3BF0F; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l1Eg34lrAKYwdElHvgXMc9QNk19qFfZshZWFnWMBLZiijdsSFEb5pCOTeUN7XTmun71gBtIth8xIJ05H6mKUelkPVGYIkM27YWqH7+P8qNzHLAN/ySd+SMfygaQeF1KdgQLiphSi9rBuF3/XS0snpMn6X1OO//ADe58ZHnSJtFs= Message-ID: <46fea78d0607031337t29a107ddn69a0b10e5aa6c0c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:37:23 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tec electronics voice live In-Reply-To: <20060703143632.JRRP19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_63214_20216998.1151959043368" References: <20060703073157.90484.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060703143632.JRRP19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:37:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_63214_20216998.1151959043368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, the demos are pretty impressive. I just don't think I could add all that footswitching and concentration to all that I'm already doing. Anything more than Harmony On/Off and I think I'd get overwhelmed! I use the Quintet for that a bit, I got one on clearance when they were discontinued... though its not nearly as neat. David On 7/3/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: > > I use the Quintet with a sequencer, but the Ztar also works to control it. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > > Anybody using this one live? its flirting with me the > and the demo is quite impressive! check it out > http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceLive > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ------=_Part_63214_20216998.1151959043368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Yeah, the demos are pretty impressive. I just don't think I could add all that footswitching and concentration to all that I'm already doing. Anything more than Harmony On/Off and I think I'd get overwhelmed! I use the Quintet for that a bit, I got one on clearance when they were discontinued... though its not nearly as neat.
David

 
On 7/3/06, Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
I use the Quintet with a sequencer, but the Ztar also works to control it.
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]

Anybody using this one live? its flirting with me the
and the demo is quite impressive! check it out
http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceLive
Luis

www.luis-angulo.com
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom




------=_Part_63214_20216998.1151959043368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 20:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C3F83BEDE; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060703134048.04e0e3d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:45:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: edp problem In-Reply-To: <7b6c0ce70607030701o6db45db1xb512c9f5f69d819b@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7b6c0ce70607030701o6db45db1xb512c9f5f69d819b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:45:55 +0000 (UTC) At 07:01 AM 7/3/2006, Steve Sandberg wrote: >I have a problem with my edp - >when playing back loops, there's a very high-pitched noise - >this edp is a beige one, about 4 years old, >anyone have any ideas? is it a new problem that just started? Maybe something has come loose or is otherwise in need of repair. You might try contacting Shane Radtke at British Audio Service: http://www.britishaudioservice.com/ Also, make sure you have levels set right so the loop path has the maximum signal going in. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 20:53:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216F53BEF4; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060703135109.04df2370@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:53:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:53:18 +0000 (UTC) At 07:26 AM 6/28/2006, Krispen Hartung wrote: >How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a >giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a >playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. > >Kris this is a neat idea, thanks Kris! When it is all compiled together we can put the final result up on the Looper's Delight site to save it for posterity. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 21:00:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B11A3BEDE; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1e7f01c69ee3$c1aa8320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:00:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:00:49 +0000 (UTC) I think you can get too close for comfort, Mark. This is why I replaced my 15 space rack (which I had two years ago) with a laptop, and spend over $1000 on some really good VST effect software. . I've never owned an Eclipse, but I've owned other high end processors, and I can't tell a lot of differentce in the quality of effects between the hardware and software (with a good 24 bit audio interface). It is so close for me that I am mostly software now. I have two things that should be shipped to my doorsetp any day now...a Fireworx and Reakor 5. I'll let you know how it goes. I think once I have Reaktor and I load it and my other high end VST effects into MAX/MSP, I will have reached the top of Maslov's Triangle in terms of VST effect actualization! Basically, I'll be using MAX/MSP to run Reaktor 5, PSP84, PSP42, Cycling 74 Pluggo AND Hipno, Antares Filter, Space Effect, and a about 50 other free effects that do amazing things. I have a hypothesis or two as to why hardware manufacturs aren't shaking in their boots: 1) Some of the smart ones are already creating VST or other software based versions of their effects (Lexicon, Eventide, etc), so they are planning ahead. That is the smart thing to do, based on changing trends in the marketplace. In fact, if you've noticed, many hardware effect manufactures are creating hypbrid systems that plug into your computer with USB so that you can program them (Muse, Pod XT Pro, etc). The transition to computers and software is occuring gradually. 2) Using VST effects for our precious sound systems is analogous to the folks in the corporate world who made the transition to a paperless environment. The old generation has a hard time elminiating the hardcopy notes and printouts in their file systems...yet the new generation of folks are completely paperless. Are paper companies and printer companies nervous? Hell yes, which is why they keep innovating their products to do other things besides print on paper. Hence, many companies haven't felt the hurt yet because they are still relying on the sentiments and buying potential of an older generation of users. That will change inevitably. 3) It's all still reletivelly new, and no one has commoditized the technology in a way that has occured with Windows, the PC or Mac brands, Word processing software, finance software, etc. I think the technology will evolve to the point to where there are a few tried and true tested systems that hit the sky in terms of mass marketability and trust. Once that occurs, the skeptics will jump on the band-wagon. There are other possible explanations, of course.....I'd be interested in hearing other hypothoses. In general, I am a technological evolutionist when it comes to this topic. If we take a look at the history of technological innovation, these patterns and awkward transitions of moving from hard to soft, manual to automated, fast to slow, etc, etc...pop up over and over again. I see know reason why music technology should be ammune to this historical trend. I think it not a matter o if, but when. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? > Well partially I was thinking that most of us with > pro-sumer level audio interfaces wouldn't get the same > high quality output that a dedicated machine might > get. I could be totally wrong though, which is why I > asked. If you're truely saying that for the price of > a laptop (to use me as an example) ($1400), audio > interface ($200) and Reaktor software ($300) I'd get > something on par with an Exclipse, well then I'd be > shaking in my boots if I was a hardware manufacture. > > M > > --- Bill Fox wrote: > >> mark sottilaro wrote: >> >> > All this talk about Eclipse/Fireworx vs. >> Max/Reaktor >> > made me think, surely dedicated hardware must >> sound a >> > lot better, no? Perhaps software is way more >> flexible >> > but is it as good? If all you got from hardware >> was >> > lower latency I'd imagine ebay would be flooded >> with >> > effects processors to the point people couldn't >> give >> > them away. I'm excited about what my humble laptop >> > can do but will it rival even my modest Lexicon >> MPX1 >> > in terms of sound quality? >> >> Unless I'm not correctly understanding your >> question, it seems to me >> that you're asking about audio quality. This seems >> like an odd >> question, if it isn't a troll. ;-) Considering all >> of the applications >> a computer can do: play CDs, play DVDs, run >> sequencers like Sonar and >> ProTools, run Live, et al, audio quality shouldn't >> even be an issue >> unless an app is poorly written. Shouldn't you be >> asking about timing, >> latency, ease of operation? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 21:08:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8882B3BEF4; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1e8401c69ee4$c717ddc0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <88970E8E-0AD3-11DB-B20C-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Subject: Re: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:08:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:08:07 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: > And, speaking of notebook looping systems, a brand new dual-core Thinkpad > T60 kind of just fell into my lap! My old Thinkpad just barely runs > Mobius in standalone, I wasn't planning on replacing it, but was just > offered an amazing deal on this new lappy. Outstanding!!!! I love my T60p now. One thing you may find (if the T60 has the same sound system as the T60p), which really pissed me off, is that there is no sound card, per se...the sound is integrated into the Intel chipset. I found out quickly that some of my music systems wouldn't even recognize that there was a sound input/output device. It's like it is non-existent. I was hoping that the new Intel high definition audio would sound good by itself, but not if I couldn't even get it to be recognized by my VST hosts, etc. It see the default SoundMax software for configuring the HD audio, but it doesn't operate like a typical sound card driver. I called Lenovo tech support and they basically confirmed what my wife told me (who works for Intel)...there is no sound card....HD audio is built inside the chipset. Let me know what you disover. The HD audio sound great with CDs and music you play from your music software, of course. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 21:18:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7719D3BEDE; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060703171802.drx2ck178gk0cc0c@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:18:02 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tech 21 MIDI Mouse References: <20060703144218.DWVV8537.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> <1d5a01c69eb2$579d1f00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1d5a01c69eb2$579d1f00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8Xj-7.A.bmH.LmYqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris, I'll be real interested in your thoughts on the midi mouse once you get it and work with it a bit. I have a few gigs later in the summer where I need to run things off battery packs and something like that might be just the thing. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Yup. I have both my Looperlative and Mobius accepting program > changes now, and I do this on only one channel. Basically, all I > need to do is send 10-12 program changes via MIDI channel 1, just to > trigger basic functions like Record, Overdub, Multiply, Next, etc. > I've never been much of MIDI wiz...I don't do all that fancy stuff > with syncing, using multiple MIDI channels to send different types > data ,etc....I just use the basic functions of mu looping software to > the n'th degree. :) > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 21:19:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CD643BEEA; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=j3J0S/2kZ9vofxFhKGQ1EhtAKb2oNn0gdzlp/99+CjzoNW+ANFJVKxG7zhJUYgZMmUQi5XcYGXZ7HIxOlxwKdHOef8NJA54JaHPyUsGFeyaeBTMNzTLzzYbrkgvpMxLQvfDotV3Ep0OmesmEzMnyaYNHFJ32ELwKOhEu9/amDVg= ; Message-ID: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: software based phrase sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB508@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:19:55 +0000 (UTC) --- jeff larson wrote: > I guarantee you though that if you tie this > to an expensive > piece of hardware no one will buy it. Why do you say that? Isn't that what the EDP and Looperlative are? The Looperlative wasn't for me but it seems like he's selling a bunch of them. Mark > Be careful using > phrases like > "solid as any hardware solution" on this list. You > will incur the > awesome wrath of the Dedicated Hardware Loopers! :-) Maybe it's an illusion based on lack of real experience, but for some reason I just feel like the top hardware loopers are still more... solid or something... than laptop looping is. I honestly hope I'm wrong, as the possibilites seem endless. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 21:26:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74B1D3BEDE; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39BB5D61-8E5C-4D81-BE0C-597FF5F56C12@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:26:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:26:22 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:52 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > Who else has survived on the Looper's Delight list the entire 10 > years? I've been around since the beginning. I remember Kim first mentioning on another list ( the old David Torn Door X list?) that he was going to create a looping list so I sent him my email address to let me know when he got it up and running. I mostly lurk around here but I've hung around the whole time and learned a lot. Thanks! Feeling Loopy, Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 22:07:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 987D33BEC7; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:07:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BDSXDYu5Zem7Vv9gZm/dw7qbAtmtT51re/XNN+ooZIoYtIaMuWuphqM9ENdIUL/DyNWlW+prm2UdynZ7n6skdwRtcvj6O+kRLdKaLOu/bfIDoWMTNGKKhf+xetkjzDcOQe5ZYsXoPI24DsbXIFwjE4pmxxh+L9u4z5I9bD+FbtI= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70607031507m163663a6xfab6a6a0a4263358@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:07:04 -0400 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:07:05 +0000 (UTC) thanks kim for the tip - i solved it myself, i just used some rubber isolators so the edp isn't touching the metal parts of the rack and that solved it - i remembered something like this happening years ago - i guess they'[re sensitive to that - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 22:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BD653BED0; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,201,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1867971562:sNHT24777392" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--288416901 Message-Id: <8EFE3854-5E9E-4709-9A68-596848FA5AE9@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:15:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:16:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--288416901 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed There=92s no pitch-shifter in Reaktor to equal Eventide=92s proprietary =20= algorithms, and no reverb in there to equal Lexicon=92s. Only you can =20= say whether that matters, or if you (or your audience) can even hear =20 that it=92s true. I had Eventides and high-end Lexicons, and I do miss =20= their unique audio qualities, but these became less exciting after a =20 while and I could no longer justify the expense (hardware IS re-=20 sellable!). If I played/recorded for $$$$ or travelled with my gear, =20 I expect I=92d have both hard and software. dc On Jul 3, 2006, at 1:20 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > If you're truely saying that for the price of > a laptop (to use me as an example) ($1400), audio > interface ($200) and Reaktor software ($300) I'd get > something on par with an Exclipse --Apple-Mail-1--288416901 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 There=92s no pitch-shifter in = Reaktor to equal Eventide=92s proprietary algorithms, and no reverb in = there to equal Lexicon=92s. Only you can say whether that matters, or if = you=A0(or your audience) can even hear that it=92s true. I had Eventides = and high-end Lexicons, and I do miss their unique audio qualities, but = these became less exciting after a while and I could no longer justify = the expense (hardware IS re-sellable!). If I played/recorded for $$$$ or = travelled with my gear, I expect I=92d have both hard and = software.=A0
dc


On Jul 3, = 2006, at 1:20 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:

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= --Apple-Mail-1--288416901-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 22:17:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3AE33BED8; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:17:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:17:12 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2006, at 4:19 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > I guarantee you though that if you tie this > > to an expensive piece of hardware no one will buy it. > > Why do you say that? Isn't that what the EDP and > Looperlative are? What won't sell is a combination of PC software with a piece of required hardware. An all hardware product is ok if you can manufacture it cheaply enough. All software is ok, provided you're realistic about pricing. But as soon as there is a hardware component with the software, the cost is going to be pushed into the hundreds of dollars which puts you into competition with Ableton Live. > Maybe it's an illusion based on lack of real > experience, but for some reason I just feel like the > top hardware loopers are still more... solid or > something... than laptop looping is. In general they probably are, there's just a lot more more to go wrong on a PC if you're not careful. And software loopers haven't had the same level of "burn in" that mature hardware/software like the EDP has had, so you're more likely to encounter bugs. These are not insurmountable problems. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 22:39:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D3D83BED6; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2944.69.59.207.172.1151966384.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <1e7f01c69ee3$c1aa8320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1e7f01c69ee3$c1aa8320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <3Awe0.A.qTD.yyZqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) > I think you can get too close for comfort, Mark. This is why I replaced > my > 15 space rack (which I had two years ago) with a laptop, and spend over > $1000 on some really good VST effect software. . I've never owned an > Eclipse, but I've owned other high end processors, and I can't tell a lot > of > differentce in the quality of effects between the hardware and software > (with a good 24 bit audio interface). It is so close for me that I am > mostly > software now. > Some friends of mine just started a groove-jazz "organ" trio, keys/guitar/drums. The guitarist has a mac G4 laptop, and he is running NI Guitar Rig for all of his guitar sounds. And the keyboardist is running NI's B4 hammond simulator, with other synth sounds coming from Reason. And the drummer is triggering loops and samples from drum pads in Live. All on the same laptop. THE SAME FREAKIN' LAPTOP. Essentially, after micing the drums, they give the soundguy a stereo feed from the laptop. Having played live in a band with 2 laptops onstage for the last couple of years, I admire their cojones, that's a lot riding on one machine. They've played a few shows already and it's working. But man, having had computers fail onstage before, I don't know if I'd want to trust them that completely. I think there's still a place for good analog hardware. I have yet to find a software emulator that sounds as good as my minimoog, my MOTM modular, my Space Echo and my Neve preamps. But, over the last few years, I have gotten rid of my good digital reverbs and samplers, because Logic's Space Designer and EXS 24, through good converters, sound as good to my ears, and are about a million times easier to use in my studio. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 22:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 894343BED0; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005801c69ef3$6a8217b0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8EFE3854-5E9E-4709-9A68-596848FA5AE9@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 16:52:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C69EC1.1F0B9F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:52:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C69EC1.1F0B9F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that's well said, David. This would make a big difference to a pro = studio owner, as opposed to a live, experimental music looper in most = cases, I suppose. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? There=92s no pitch-shifter in Reaktor to equal Eventide=92s = proprietary algorithms, and no reverb in there to equal Lexicon=92s. = Only you can say whether that matters, or if you (or your audience) can = even hear that it=92s true. I had Eventides and high-end Lexicons, and I = do miss their unique audio qualities, but these became less exciting = after a while and I could no longer justify the expense (hardware IS = re-sellable!). If I played/recorded for $$$$ or travelled with my gear, = I expect I=92d have both hard and software.=20 dc On Jul 3, 2006, at 1:20 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: If you're truely saying that for the price of a laptop (to use me as an example) ($1400), audio interface ($200) and Reaktor software ($300) I'd get something on par with an Exclipse ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C69EC1.1F0B9F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
that's well said, David.  This = would make a=20 big difference to a pro studio owner, as opposed to a live, experimental = music=20 looper in most cases, I suppose.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 = 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can = software=20 be as good as good hardware?

There=92s no pitch-shifter in Reaktor to equal = Eventide=92s=20 proprietary algorithms, and no reverb in there to equal Lexicon=92s. = Only you=20 can say whether that matters, or if you (or your audience) can = even hear=20 that it=92s true. I had Eventides and high-end Lexicons, and I do miss = their=20 unique audio qualities, but these became less exciting after a while = and I=20 could no longer justify the expense (hardware IS re-sellable!). If I=20 played/recorded for $$$$ or travelled with my gear, I expect I=92d = have both=20 hard and software. 
dc


On Jul 3, 2006, at 1:20 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:

If you're truely saying that for the = price=20 of

a laptop (to use me as an example) = ($1400),=20 audio

interface ($200) and Reaktor = software ($300) I'd=20 get

something on par with an=20 = Exclipse


------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C69EC1.1F0B9F90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 3 23:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A33A83BED2; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 23:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=i74AP2IjRHPRob28zCST43FMAGnpzbwetQuHi5f2Zw0jQDnY2RBhzEJehTZlD+BenEebyCi139Jr9pAyQ+zdfm7dbhNENzzmNama/ueLRDDSEVYDFBrvnXa3CCJ97xWMEs30uFolTv+5L1eY4gfpyBfvLH42CgyYY8SV4aPDQkc= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:09:39 -0400 Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Thread-Index: Acae9cJDALbS1ArpEdujMwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <1ddc01c69ec2$dca6f0d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 23:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Time-lapse phonography... http://lukedubois.com/billboard This is also released as a cantaloupe music record of the same name, available everywhere you'd expect. You might have seen it boing-boinged or on some other blog. Luke is one of those guys who does it all, audio and video with equal aplomb. He also was one of the chief writers of jitter, the video componen= t of max/msp. =20 He's my partner in crime my violin/live video duo. Ain't I a lucky guy... If y'all wanna see some... It's a large file, but... http://toddreynolds.com/emovies/thesolutionbh.mov my music, lukes video listens to the live violin, the delays or the track. You'll see it clearly= . But the timelapsephonography stuff is cool, all rendered with max. now he does movies too. Casablanca in 10 minutes. Gotta see it to believe it, an= d Academy, all the best pictures shrunk to a minute. Now THAT'S cool. It's in an art gallery in manhattan. Also, see http://lukedubois.com/play All of the playboy playmates' faces with their eyes centered. It's an incredible view of history. Bests, Todd On 7/3/06 1:05 PM, "Krispen Hartung" wrote: > Well, you guys could be humorous and record a full length looping song, a= nd > then use Acid or something like it to shrink it down to 30 second....for > those stretched out and slow moving ambient pieces, it might sound > interesting, like watching a flower bloom using time lapse videography. >=20 > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >=20 >=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" >>>=20 >>> I realize that your space may be limited, but I feel the need to point >>> out that 30 seconds often is shorter than my typical loop length! ;-) >>> Still, I'm planning on coming up with a loop to contribute. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Bill >>=20 >> Indeed. I went ahead and used it as a constraint I wouldn't normally >> adhere to, to see what I'd do that I might not normally. Nice challenge >> for me. >>=20 >> One of the self-challenges I came up with a while back was to use only >> no-longer-manufactured gear for a set of sessions I called "planned >> obsolescence" - that's not a hard challenge for most of us here, but it >> did mean I had to not play either of my primary instruments, or use the >> majority of my favorite effects. >>=20 >> best, >> Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 01:47:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAB963BEC2; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Determining First Subscription Date at L.D. Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:47:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:47:10 +0000 (UTC) I was curious about discovering when I first signed up to Loopers Delight. I signed up when I first got on the internet (on a 56k modem) but was overwhelmed in the first couple of days by dozens and dozens of postings (before I even knew about the digest option, or perhaps before it was in existence). I was such a computer neophyte (back in the phase where computers are scary and unpredictable before you've learned to use them) that I immediately unsubscribed for a long while (or so it felt). Then I rejoined around the year 2000 which is when I can find my first posts. I'd love to know when I first subscribed and then , subsequently , when I resubcribed. Is there a way of discovering our first date of subscription without unnecessarily bugging Kim Flint about it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 01:48:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A07C53BECC; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F7B37AF-ADA7-403C-9C8A-02965264C693@sonosphere.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Determining First Subscription Date at L.D. Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:48:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - megs15.100mwh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonosphere.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:48:55 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2006, at 18:47 , loop.pool wrote: > Is there a way of discovering our first date of subscription > without unnecessarily bugging Kim Flint about > it? Unless you are an email packrat and have all of your old messages saved, not unless you have a friend from the NSA ;-) Doug -- Doug Wyatt http://www.dougwyatt.net/ ^ music The Dream of 'I' CD now available! http://www.dougwyatt.net/TheDreamOfI/Instruments/ ^ interactive synth museum http://www.sonosphere.com/ ^ and more From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 01:55:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EDF53BED5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008401c69f0c$df1a3b20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY (Y2K6 LOOP FESTIVAL) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:55:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 01:55:02 +0000 (UTC) aaron lease wrote: "I have been looking for a reason to go to SF ...... I know some people who own a coffee shop there that would probably host a little music too. I would love to see everyones gear and music ..... let's make it happen." Gosh, Aaron, you should at least make it (and come perform at 30 minute set) to this years Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival just south of San Francisco on October 21st and 22nd. This is the fifth year of the Y2K_ series and in the past three years we've had up to 50 artists from 7 different countries and all of the United States perform and hang out. The festival is really as much of a live looping convention as it is a performance (although we have 24 hours of continuous performance over two days of the main festival with little 'best of festivals' held in Big Sur, San Jose and San Francisco in the week previous) and we top it all off with a Loopers Breakfast on October 23rd for all of those who are still standing (or who can afford to stay one more day in Northern California). Let me know and I'll book you a performance space or just come watch, learn and appreciate all the incredible diversity in this live looping phenomenae. If you are interested in performing, please write me at rickwalker(at sign)looppool(dot)info with the words Y2K6 Festival SUBMISSION (so that I can sort it out of my voluminuos email correspondance around the festival). I hope you can make it. yours, Rick Walker (festival organizer) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 02:01:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE2C3BEDA; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ad01c69f0d$d397ccd0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: LOOPERS DELIGHT 10 year ANNIVERSARY PARTY Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:01:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: But I am soooooooo way late on the LD scene. I'm embarassed to say that my first post was April 23, 2004, ............... I'm barely worthy of attending a reunion!" Jeez, Kris, you have had such an enormous impact on my life and work and on the work of many of the top loopers on this list and you've had such an impact on the Y2K_ Live Looping Festivals that it way more than makes up for the lateness of your arrival. Get over it, buddy..........................you are a stellar example of a member of this illustrious and creative community. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 02:05:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33E4C3BED8; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,202,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="250544892:sNHT17910306" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Determining First Subscription Date at L.D. Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:05:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Rick, I believe all of everyone's posts to Loopers Delight (from first to last) gets assimilated (sooner or later) into the LD archive. That's how I found out when I first posted. Go to the archive at the LD site, log in and see if you can search for your name. It should give you a list of postings starting off with your first post. Cheers, Ted On Jul 3, 2006, at 6:47 PM, loop.pool wrote: > I was curious about discovering when I first signed up to Loopers > Delight. > > I signed up when I first got on the internet (on a 56k modem) but was > overwhelmed > in the first couple of days by dozens and dozens of postings (before I > even knew about > the digest option, or perhaps before it was in existence). > > I was such a computer neophyte (back in the phase where computers are > scary and unpredictable > before you've learned to use them) that I immediately unsubscribed for > a long while (or so it felt). > > Then I rejoined around the year 2000 which is when I can find my first > posts. > > I'd love to know when I first subscribed and then , subsequently , > when I resubcribed. > > Is there a way of discovering our first date of subscription without > unnecessarily bugging Kim Flint about > it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 02:17:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BAFC3BEC1; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014601c69f0f$f0dbf2b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LD 10th Anniversary/ Y2K6 Loopfest: wanna combine 'em? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:17:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-5jl0C.A.fQF.c-cqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:17:00 +0000 (UTC) improv@peak.org wrote: "Just a thought, what about making the 10 year anniversary celebration coincide with Y2K6 in Santa Cruz? I am hoping to attend this year, at least as an audient if not a performer". I was going to suggest that myself but I was afraid of appearing to steal any thunder from Kim, whose baby this is, after all. Above all things, I wish to come off as supportive and respectful in that regard. After all, there wouldn't be such a huge festival without Kim's and everyone's efforts in this community. So.............. If people want, I'd be more than happy to incorporate a special day of the festival to celebrating the 10th Anniversary of Loopers Delight. After all, the festival itself will be celebrating it's 5th anniversary in this present form (we began this officially with the Y2K2 Live Looping Festival and went 'international' the next year) so we could kill two birds and two reunions with one huge event. Another thing is that the infrastructure is already in place for the festival and it wouldn't take a lot of extra planning to organize it well as an addition to the big festival in SC on the weekend. The main Festival will be held on Saturday and Sunday, October 21st and 22nd We also have bookings now, for San Jose on Wednesday, October 17th and at the Luggage Store on Thursday, October 18th so I currently have an opening for Friday night.......................wanna have a big dinner somewhere in the Bay Area on that night before the big festival starts on Saturday? We could make it be in San Francisco or perhaps Oakland (that would be nice as we could extend the festival to that very, very creative city and Kim wouldn't have to go very far from his home to attend? Sound interesting? I think it is up to Kim to say yes or to veto this idea so I respectfully await his reply. What do you think, buddy? Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 03:36:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3889D3BEB5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 03:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XB/A4tqREvgElCmm5D4YvIuvKNhenBqwc1bTOmY4EdzNU+3fWUNlZyw+dtw7D1chsFsu8R1TCq5Lei/S3xZsaA9taS7GdPsc3PLpi3Kn14r6OlESpczet9Q7DUFw5m7VUw+WZ0kPnGOmjeLATJ9EI8cTmG9n1RsulXy0w5XlIYk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:36:14 -0700 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Determining First Subscription Date at L.D. In-Reply-To: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 03:36:17 +0000 (UTC) On 7/3/06, loop.pool wrote: > I was curious about discovering when I first signed up to Loopers Delight. > > I signed up when I first got on the internet (on a 56k modem) but was > overwhelmed AHK - I joined on 3 Apr 1999 with a 14.4k modem =) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 08:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DC843BEC5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 08:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060704010450.04eab488@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 01:18:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Determining First Subscription Date at L.D. In-Reply-To: <1F7B37AF-ADA7-403C-9C8A-02965264C693@sonosphere.com> References: <005d01c69f0b$c56ed6f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <1F7B37AF-ADA7-403C-9C8A-02965264C693@sonosphere.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 08:18:41 +0000 (UTC) At 06:48 PM 7/3/2006, Doug Wyatt wrote: >On Jul 3, 2006, at 18:47 , loop.pool wrote: >>Is there a way of discovering our first date of subscription >>without unnecessarily bugging Kim Flint about >>it? > >Unless you are an email packrat and have all of your old messages >saved, not unless you have a friend from the NSA ;-) I'm not affiliated with the NSA, but I am an email packrat. I have every subscribe message ever sent to the list. Rick, from what I can tell, you subscribed with the address "global@cruzio.com" on July 31, 1998, at 12:47 am pacific time. You then unsubscribed a little more than 10 hours later, July 31, 1998 at 11:05am. Clearly you were not ready for us. Your next subscribe message comes September 26, 2000, 6:19pm. You were apparently overwhelmed again, as you switched to digest 13 minutes later. If anybody else wants to know crap like this, blow me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 09:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F220B3BEB6; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C/EOVPMNc+VtrTrf7RZsHfjFc9UQuUhRPP4jQAb+mJoEjEo+yTYMCPSIo0DrDVtzorIOpGYHtiMsZJA0n49bW0nBdIqXY76LR6PHJfis2wOcaS7HnpdUHgaSW1ujVxsC72M2jK39Wpaq+BvRDUH2GDL+ITOfIq7QIw773dTGc+A= ; Message-ID: <20060704090418.94310.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: LD aniversary loop contributions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005801c69ef3$6a8217b0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi krispen, Here is mine composed of 4 different loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it repeats itself(ups) but if it doesnt work for this project then ill donate it to the LD comunity http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 09:12:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DAF53BECA; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002d01c69f49$e2b4b340$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060703135109.04df2370@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:11:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_tEwx.A.PKH.lDjqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Happy Independence Day! Hm, should we discuss parameters of the work along the lines of key, bpm, and so on? Not that I ever proffer anything less than individuality, but such considerations would make life much simpler for the poor industrious soul who compiles it all together. Sorry, I had to bring it up. [going out soon to look for a big, insolent skyrocket to shoot off the roof in London tonight] Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Monday, 3 July, 2006 21:53 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > At 07:26 AM 6/28/2006, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a >>giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a >>playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. >> >>Kris > > this is a neat idea, thanks Kris! > > When it is all compiled together we can put the final result up on the > Looper's Delight site to save it for posterity. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 09:54:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12BB73BEB2; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e701c69f4f$e05a12b0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:54:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2006 09:54:48.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3007A90:01C69F4F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I've upload mine 30 seconds loop ! Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 10:55:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFBA23BEB5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1152010521!29375553!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93BD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Novation X-Station, M-Audio Ozonic Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:55:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69F57.F2418FC3" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:55:36 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69F57.F2418FC3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" josh, just bear in mind- & it may not be a factor for you anyway- that the x-station only works with os-x (all flavours) or XP, not w2k. the two stereo effects outputs are indeed presented as a single stereo pair over usb & at the rear panel. still very useful though. I'm more likely to use the x-y pad thing on mine now that I've finally got used to using the scrolly track-pad effort on my macbook... :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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josh, just bear in mind- & it may not be a factor for you anyway- that the x-station only works with os-x (all flavours) or XP, not w2k.
the two stereo effects outputs are indeed presented as a single stereo pair over usb & at the rear panel. still very useful though.
 
I'm more likely to use the x-y pad thing on mine now that I've finally got used to using the scrolly track-pad effort on my macbook... :-)
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69F57.F2418FC3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 11:49:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7D13BEC7; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rzAyhmJH9qlmWMHAJ7oH554+dDQrsVgkiknPaAyZo03MY4dVold1qbs4cT2uZArVEB995hUQXrZ1u9sKvvu53iV8mMqG5CsE2nuD/9RnfepZQcL8tm4ndUfHdv02Jv5GIJ6ri9av3mrCFU7+4qjlN6ZzfEW+4/OrXq08eUPigq4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85150689-7BC8-4A3C-8FE5-8D643AEDC7A9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:20:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2I_gG.A.dwF.tWlqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:49:01 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2006, at 22:20, mark sottilaro wrote: > If you're truely saying that for the price of > a laptop (to use me as an example) ($1400), audio > interface ($200) and Reaktor software ($300) I'd get > something on par with an Exclipse, well then I'd be > shaking in my boots if I was a hardware manufacture. Some musicians still give priority to how fast and stable a rig is in a daily (touring) use. Obviously computer application based systems don't score well here. If you are serious with using laptops etc you need to learn about and care about the system maintenance in a way you don't have to when working with hardware. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 11:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3CF53BED6; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=O6gSFHoDOCTtYWmQle6WAzOyWPJOPQhm1EOJtmHN83zEGCxnqM1RyvJ1OlWEJdBFb4IMG34CDSaFNP2NkMV4McYhRWIpO8rF45NTVExU31eKSKZa2Mr0bSqpiLUEhTfyIn5jgZNBOjQlZYvJ1OVXlVS4QMMeb9VZ+uChLu5q9YU= In-Reply-To: <2944.69.59.207.172.1151966384.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <20060703202032.13510.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1e7f01c69ee3$c1aa8320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2944.69.59.207.172.1151966384.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C0AC1A4-99B7-42EE-8B65-AC6FEE585824@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:44:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:49:02 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 4, 2006, at 0:39, improv@peak.org wrote: > But man, having had computers fail > onstage before, I don't know if I'd want to trust them that > completely. This is the reason I have programmed some "looping patches" into my FireworX (hardware fx processor) although I normally do all looping on a laptop (running Mobius). I the computer should break I would be able to keep up with my role in the group.... well, to some extent ;-) > I think there's still a place for good analog hardware. I have yet > to find > a software emulator that sounds as good as my minimoog, my MOTM > modular, > my Space Echo and my Neve preamps. But, over the last few years, I > have > gotten rid of my good digital reverbs and samplers, because Logic's > Space > Designer and EXS 24, through good converters, sound as good to my > ears, > and are about a million times easier to use in my studio. I too produce recordings with Logic and I couldn't have said it better myself. Some records I did in the nineties (before I was able to go full time into experimental looping music) was done with a huge Neve console, all kinds of tube compressors etc and analog 24 tack recorders. I still like that sound but I wouldn't say that it sounds "better" than software. A Neve board sounds like a Never board, that's it. Nuendo (software) sounds like Nuendo etc. I think that most gear and software available today sounds good enough. After all, it's the music that matters. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 12:00:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C8C3BECD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:00:41 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> Message-ID: <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> Subject: RE: FlyLooper & maket potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron > Statton is a well-known DJ equipment manufacturer. They're hardware > guys so be sure to pitch the USB controller to them as well. Actually, thinking of it: I know that midi footcontrollers are the right thing for the people on this mailing list. But I think, for the average guitar player it _could_ be convenient to pick up a software with a USB pedal that is simply plug&play. You could probably reach a mass target group that is new to looping and doesn't want to (initially) hassle with midi pedals and control messages etc.... Just a pedal + software that is working out of the box. Why not? :-) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 12:06:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3427C3BEDC; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:06:44 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060704120644.307170@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1dcd01c69ebe$6180e590$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: VST Host & Effects on PDA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <57uOOC.A.AlG.VnlqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:06:46 +0000 (UTC) > I remember seeing a blurb on a mini-Ableton clone in one > of my synth magazines last year. Actually, if there is a "mini-looper" for PocketPC - it would be really awesome!! Not for anything series for me, but I'd like to jam with myself or work on some ideas while travelling. So, is there a simple "pocket looper" you know of? Besides that, miniaturization is a natural process, so we will see VST chains in 5 years for sure within a Palm. Just think of what a small guitar multi-effect pedal can do today and what you would have needed 20 years ago... Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 12:23:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC3E53BED5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:23:27 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060704122327.188660@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff > What won't sell is a combination of PC software with a piece of > required hardware. As stated also in my mail addressing Aaron, I think a well integrated hardware controller + software DO have a lot of potential. Look at all these M-Audio interfaces that work with Ableton Live. What you need is a really nice, seamless and intiuitive yet powerful integration of hardware controllers. Sometimes, I dream of a 18 pedal controller giant and make nice drawings and say to myself "wow, if somebody would build something just like this...". The critical part imho is not the software versus hardware part. It all boils down to the useability of the whole solution. The right, well integrated controller couild give you the edge here. Marketing and financing the whole thing - without the backing of a company like Roland or Korg - is of course another issue... ;-) Best regards Burak -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 13:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867883BEC7; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:47:23 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:47:43 +0000 (UTC) ...and it's (shrink ambient down to much shorter) already been done, and amazingly well too. Thanks for sharing this, Todd. I think I'll keep working the stretch out sample instead of speed-up and compress: for one thing, I can't think of how to do the time-lapse concept as a live performance without moving ten times as fast as normal, and if I can do that I'll probably be doing other things with that ability than involve a stage. Oh, and the Playboy link gives file not found. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ On Mon, 3 Jul 2006, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Time-lapse phonography... > > http://lukedubois.com/billboard > > This is also released as a cantaloupe music record of the same name, > available everywhere you'd expect. You might have seen it boing-boinged or > on some other blog. > > Luke is one of those guys who does it all, audio and video with equal > aplomb. He also was one of the chief writers of jitter, the video component > of max/msp. > > He's my partner in crime my violin/live video duo. Ain't I a lucky guy... > > If y'all wanna see some... It's a large file, but... > > http://toddreynolds.com/emovies/thesolutionbh.mov my music, lukes video > listens to the live violin, the delays or the track. You'll see it clearly. > > But the timelapsephonography stuff is cool, all rendered with max. now he > does movies too. Casablanca in 10 minutes. Gotta see it to believe it, and > Academy, all the best pictures shrunk to a minute. Now THAT'S cool. It's > in an art gallery in manhattan. > > Also, see http://lukedubois.com/play > > All of the playboy playmates' faces with their eyes centered. It's an > incredible view of history. > > Bests, > > Todd > > > > On 7/3/06 1:05 PM, "Krispen Hartung" wrote: > >> Well, you guys could be humorous and record a full length looping song, and >> then use Acid or something like it to shrink it down to 30 second....for >> those stretched out and slow moving ambient pieces, it might sound >> interesting, like watching a flower bloom using time lapse videography. >> >> K- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:36 AM >> Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" >>>> >>>> I realize that your space may be limited, but I feel the need to point >>>> out that 30 seconds often is shorter than my typical loop length! ;-) >>>> Still, I'm planning on coming up with a loop to contribute. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Bill >>> >>> Indeed. I went ahead and used it as a constraint I wouldn't normally >>> adhere to, to see what I'd do that I might not normally. Nice challenge >>> for me. >>> >>> One of the self-challenges I came up with a while back was to use only >>> no-longer-manufactured gear for a set of sessions I called "planned >>> obsolescence" - that's not a hard challenge for most of us here, but it >>> did mean I had to not play either of my primary instruments, or use the >>> majority of my favorite effects. >>> >>> best, >>> Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 14:41:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDEDD3BEC7; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P8Sfr6ppUvb2eWVf3wmFeS+UZNOj1Wa/pSZitmmg9F+Nlzae3frGiVpF8CCZ9YSec2HQVmkYJcQHlZae5VgW+hdpZBjOoyktVlNDKGlcJYtwx9dBBH2vMDMDJMvz+G153JAhe0WBpBS3QK3KRLYcgkiawfoht5d29yxktKIS+ag= ; Message-ID: <20060704144145.6712.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: richard moreau Subject: Re: FlyLooper & maket potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6A9A645E-FD19-482B-84A9-6E901D8ADBE3@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1327589102-1152024105=:6670" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:41:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-1327589102-1152024105=:6670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanx Jeff. Being new to all this stuff, no one ever listed the web addresses that I have seen. I spend all my free time reading web messages !! Rick Jeffrey Larson wrote: On Jul 3, 2006, at 6:56 AM, aaron leese wrote: > does anyone else know of a product that allows > you to record loops of different lengths live In hardware, check out the Looperlative, www.looperlative.com. In software, a lot of people seem to like Mobius, www.zonemobius.com. On the Mac, check out SooperLooper, www.essej.com and Augustus Loop, www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html. Even though some VST loopers are single track, you can run more than one instance of them in a VST host. Jeff --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1327589102-1152024105=:6670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanx Jeff. Being new to all this stuff, no one ever listed the web addresses that I have seen. I spend all my free time reading web messages !!  Rick

Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 2006, at 6:56 AM, aaron leese wrote:

> does anyone else know of a product that allows
> you to record loops of different lengths live

In hardware, check out the Looperlative, www.looperlative.com.

In software, a lot of people seem to like Mobius, www.zonemobius.com.

On the Mac, check out SooperLooper, www.essej.com and
Augustus Loop, www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html.

Even though some VST loopers are single track, you can run more than
one instance of them in a VST host.

Jeff


Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --0-1327589102-1152024105=:6670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 14:44:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 538EF3BEC5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TKHiYvvYOTy+7VUBLk1hASjBeokoF0TK5jlF1bONmlICndFaq+497fLITkxvk084uhyfCGsprJc3EOIoIuyKWgKBBoM0KUuGVm1y+ZcVUXCuD0mgduRTj0PF7O7R88t6XeSU2ygWVcY5e/YpVGPjNfWA8frhlDusgcTOVoig0ME= ; Message-ID: <20060704144432.78412.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 07:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: richard moreau Subject: Re: Determining First Subscription Date at L.D. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060704010450.04eab488@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-276372409-1152024272=:77776" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:44:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-276372409-1152024272=:77776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Who isn't overwhemed with all this crap !! ;-) Rick Kim Flint wrote: At 06:48 PM 7/3/2006, Doug Wyatt wrote: >On Jul 3, 2006, at 18:47 , loop.pool wrote: >>Is there a way of discovering our first date of subscription >>without unnecessarily bugging Kim Flint about >>it? > >Unless you are an email packrat and have all of your old messages >saved, not unless you have a friend from the NSA ;-) I'm not affiliated with the NSA, but I am an email packrat. I have every subscribe message ever sent to the list. Rick, from what I can tell, you subscribed with the address "global@cruzio.com" on July 31, 1998, at 12:47 am pacific time. You then unsubscribed a little more than 10 hours later, July 31, 1998 at 11:05am. Clearly you were not ready for us. Your next subscribe message comes September 26, 2000, 6:19pm. You were apparently overwhelmed again, as you switched to digest 13 minutes later. If anybody else wants to know crap like this, blow me. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-276372409-1152024272=:77776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Who isn't overwhemed with all this crap !!  ;-)    Rick
Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:
At 06:48 PM 7/3/2006, Doug Wyatt wrote:
>On Jul 3, 2006, at 18:47 , loop.pool wrote:
>>Is there a way of discovering our first date of subscription
>>without unnecessarily bugging Kim Flint about
>>it?
>
>Unless you are an email packrat and have all of your old messages
>saved, not unless you have a friend from the NSA ;-)

I'm not affiliated with the NSA, but I am an email packrat. I have every
subscribe message ever sent to the list.

Rick, from what I can tell, you subscribed with the address
"global@cruzio.com" on July 31, 1998, at 12:47 am pacific time.

You then unsubscribed a little more than 10 hours later, July 31, 1998 at
11:05am.

Clearly you were not ready for us.

Your next subscribe message comes September 26, 2000, 6:19pm.

You were apparently overwhelmed again, as you switched to digest 13 minutes
later.

If anybody else wants to know crap like this, blow me.

kim


______________________________________________________________________
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com


Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-276372409-1152024272=:77776-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 14:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D9D3BEC5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018c01c69f78$d184efc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00e701c69f4f$e05a12b0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 08:47:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Got it! It's in the playlist now. Can someone test the playlist to see if the description text I entered is appearing in your player? http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:54 AM Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Hi Kris, I've upload mine 30 seconds loop ! > > Fabio Anile > > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 15:05:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4883BECF; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d601c69f7b$5371d280$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00e701c69f4f$e05a12b0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <018c01c69f78$d184efc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:05:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2006 15:05:48.0548 (UTC) FILETIME=[552D8C40:01C69F7B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:05:50 +0000 (UTC) YEs, I can read the description text. fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Got it! It's in the playlist now. > > Can someone test the playlist to see if the description text I entered is > appearing in your player? > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fabio Anile" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:54 AM > Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > >> Hi Kris, I've upload mine 30 seconds loop ! >> >> Fabio Anile >> >> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ >> http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 15:14:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7264B3BED2; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c14NiCRLsdcef3ayB7teDlauLZbLejArUR+54hZx8U+m3JQ2AkfC7FunWsaZmowBcQcbTU0pT5txO0PAscUxU34n0pt9UX53PR2F0KT9IqD1mI14RxhHAvyV1cTkH2sTepi1VzUoEg/DPpJcQYz/KJnRgYR/DJazO7LnDNRSONE= Message-ID: <913728d60607040814w76800538p29aff6216769f5f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:14:14 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <018c01c69f78$d184efc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00e701c69f4f$e05a12b0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <018c01c69f78$d184efc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:14:17 +0000 (UTC) The files loaded into itunes, but none of them had names (unless you named them stuff like 1G29GJ3JOEHG and stuff like that) but there were a few that had names pop up, which were Per Boysen, Josh Carroll and Doug Wyatt...there also was one that showed up with the name "Ionian" but didn't have any credits there... btw, cool loops to all the folk who submitted loops and are on that playlist :) Charlie On 7/4/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Got it! It's in the playlist now. > > Can someone test the playlist to see if the description text I entered is > appearing in your player? > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fabio Anile" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:54 AM > Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > > > Hi Kris, I've upload mine 30 seconds loop ! > > > > Fabio Anile > > > > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 15:24:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AC513BECA; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b501c69f7d$ffd252a0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A93E29.9030806@soundscapes.us> <1db101c69eba$94a7ac00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00e701c69f4f$e05a12b0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <018c01c69f78$d184efc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60607040814w76800538p29aff6216769f5f3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:24:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <9ah-o.A.FyG.HhoqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:24:56 +0000 (UTC) I may have to tag them all and then re-load them....a pain, but I'll try to get around to it today. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > The files loaded into itunes, but none of them had names (unless you > named them stuff like 1G29GJ3JOEHG and stuff like that) but there were > a few that had names pop up, which were Per Boysen, Josh Carroll and > Doug Wyatt...there also was one that showed up with the name "Ionian" > but didn't have any credits there... > > btw, cool loops to all the folk who submitted loops and are on that > playlist :) > > Charlie > > On 7/4/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Got it! It's in the playlist now. >> >> Can someone test the playlist to see if the description text I entered is >> appearing in your player? >> >> http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u >> >> Kris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fabio Anile" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:54 AM >> Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> >> >> > Hi Kris, I've upload mine 30 seconds loop ! >> > >> > Fabio Anile >> > >> > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ >> > http://music.download.com/eterogeneo/3600-8357-100294444.html?tag=quickurl >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 15:53:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43C123BEC1; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.54.104] Message-ID: <44AA8EFB.5030508@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:53:31 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions References: <20060704090418.94310.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060704090418.94310.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-0, 07/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <5csZnB.A.ktH.I8oqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you using? --Josh L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi krispen, > Here is mine composed of 4 different > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it > repeats itself(ups) > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill donate > it to the LD comunity > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 15:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FADE3BED8; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.54.104] Message-ID: <44AA9061.2090500@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:59:29 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FlyLooper & maket potential References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010405090708080500010103" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-0, 07/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010405090708080500010103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, it would just have to be really cheap... cheaper than Live + FCB1010. A while back I picked up a Mixman DM2, which is really just a toy, for about $40 on eBay, and had a blast with it! And it's exactly what you're describing: software + hardware in a single package. That was honestly part of the appeal. However, if it had been $150 or more, I probably wouldn't have ever messed with it. --Josh Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Aaron > > >> Statton is a well-known DJ equipment manufacturer. They're hardware >> guys so be sure to pitch the USB controller to them as well. >> > Actually, thinking of it: > I know that midi footcontrollers are the right thing for the people on this mailing list. > But I think, for the average guitar player it _could_ be convenient to pick up a software with a USB pedal that is simply plug&play. You could probably reach a mass target group that is new to looping and doesn't want to (initially) hassle with midi pedals and control messages etc.... > Just a pedal + software that is working out of the box. > > Why not? :-) > > Buzap > > --------------010405090708080500010103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, it would just have to be really cheap... cheaper than Live + FCB1010. A while back I picked up a Mixman DM2, which is really just a toy, for about $40 on eBay, and had a blast with it!  And it's exactly what you're describing:  software + hardware in a single package.  That was honestly part of the appeal.  However, if it had been $150 or more, I probably wouldn't have ever messed with it.

--Josh



Buzap Buzap wrote: 
Hi Aaron

  
Statton is a well-known DJ equipment manufacturer.  They're hardware 
guys so be sure to pitch the USB controller to them as well.
    
Actually, thinking of it:
I know that midi footcontrollers are the right thing for the people on this mailing list.
But I think, for the average guitar player it _could_ be convenient to pick up a software with a USB pedal that is simply plug&play. You could probably reach a mass target group that is new to looping and doesn't want to (initially) hassle with midi pedals and control messages etc....
Just a pedal + software that is working out of the box.

Why not? :-)

Buzap
--------------010405090708080500010103-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 16:42:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1E7A3BEDA; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060704122327.188660@gmx.net> References: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060704122327.188660@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2FD8BA6B-9D2F-467F-BA1A-281F26F230C4@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 11:42:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6JhJG.A.wDC.HqpqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:42:47 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:23 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > As stated also in my mail addressing Aaron, I think a well integrated > hardware controller + software DO have a lot of potential. Look at > all these M-Audio interfaces that work with Ableton Live. > ... > Marketing and financing the whole thing - without the backing of a > company like Roland or Korg - is of course another issue... ;-) Right, that's the trick. Manufacturing, distributing, and repairing hardware is a pain in the ass, and very difficult for an individual to do at a price people are willing to pay. If the device does something really complicated, like say a dedicated hardware looper, then you can charge enough to cover your costs. But people are not going to pay a lot for a footswitch that only works with one PC application. And companies like M-Audio aren't going to be interested in partnering with you unless they think they can sell thousands of units. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 17:00:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA183BEDA; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLooper & maket potential Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:00:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:00:44 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:00 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > But I think, for the average guitar player it _could_ be convenient to > pick up a software with a USB pedal that is simply plug&play. You > could probably reach a mass target group that is new to looping and > doesn't want to (initially) hassle with midi pedals and control > messages etc.... Just a pedal + software that is working out of the > box. Oh, and another thing...the average guitar player doesn't gig with a laptop. As soon as you drag a laptop into the picture, the market shrinks dramatically and the ability to deal with midi pedals goes way up. (Insert your favorite "average guitar player" joke here :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 17:25:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D1BC3BED0; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:33:47 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: Message-id: <002a01c69f90$01a2eec0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C69F6E.7A1D5740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060703131802.45280.qmail@web60413.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:25:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C69F6E.7A1D5740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This prompts a (rather esoteric and nor particularly interesting) = thought -- who was the first person to unsubscribe (or at least try to = unsubscribe) from the list? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Baggerman=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: unsubscribe thanks claude, i'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't figure it out:) i still don't know how to do it. i'll try again and hope it won't drive me too crazy, so i won't get = violent to my computer in the end:) thanks again, ron Claude Voit wrote: yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem. in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files. please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics. but relax most of us never figured out how to do it; so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the = computer off good luck Claude = http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=3Dunsubsc= ribe&Search=3DSearch&lineonly=3Don&errors=3D0&maxfiles=3D5000&maxlines=3D= 0&.cgifields=3Dlineonly&.cgifields=3Drestricttofiles&.cgifields=3Dfilelis= t&.cgifields=3Dpartial&.cgifields=3Dcase unsubscribe --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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thanks claude,

i'm glad i'm not the only one who = didn't=20 figure it out:)

i still don't know how to do it.

i'll = try again=20 and hope it won't drive me too crazy, so i won't get violent to my = computer in=20 the end:)

thanks again,


ron

Claude Voit = <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:
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in 10 years = I found=20 1077 matches in 1077 files.

please enjoy some great = unsusbcribe=20 classics.

but relax most of us never figured out how to do = it;
so=20 we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer=20 off
good=20 = luck

Claude

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Mail Beta. = ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C69F6E.7A1D5740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 17:36:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01A23BEDC; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:45:33 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions To: Message-id: <008a01c69f91$a66be140$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060704090418.94310.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44AA8EFB.5030508@infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:36:32 +0000 (UTC) I found an old thing that dates back to one of my earliest recordings using my Oberheim EDP - so 1996 or so. I had to chop of the name of the thing (Intro) as I think there's a filename character limit. Anyway, it seemed appropriate. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 17:37:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 594B03BEDD; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060704102528.050282a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:36:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler In-Reply-To: <2FD8BA6B-9D2F-467F-BA1A-281F26F230C4@zonemobius.com> References: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060704122327.188660@gmx.net> <2FD8BA6B-9D2F-467F-BA1A-281F26F230C4@zonemobius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-bsCUD.A.lJE.RdqqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:37:21 +0000 (UTC) At 09:42 AM 7/4/2006, Jeffrey Larson wrote: >On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:23 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > As stated also in my mail addressing Aaron, I think a well integrated > > hardware controller + software DO have a lot of potential. Look at > > all these M-Audio interfaces that work with Ableton Live. > > ... > > Marketing and financing the whole thing - without the backing of a > > company like Roland or Korg - is of course another issue... ;-) > >Right, that's the trick. Manufacturing, distributing, and repairing >hardware is a pain in the ass, and very difficult for an individual >to do at a price people are willing to pay. actually, these things are quite easy for a single person to do these days and it doesn't cost that much. The manufacturing infrastructure is all pretty much built around that idea now. It is much, much easier than it was 10-15 years ago. If you are trying to make a sustainable business out of music products, make hardware. The market is willing to pay a substantially higher price for it, the costs are low, you can make a decent profit margin, and the development effort is easier than for software. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 18:14:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E053BEDE; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.54.104] Message-ID: <44AAB016.6040904@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:14:46 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler References: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060704122327.188660@gmx.net> <2FD8BA6B-9D2F-467F-BA1A-281F26F230C4@zonemobius.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060704102528.050282a8@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060704102528.050282a8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-0, 07/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <8gOymC.A.vQF.iArqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Really? Wow. My dad owns a small manufacturing business, and I've watched him produce much less high-tech stuff as an outsource, but I didn't know that the market was this open for digital products. Where would you point a person looking to create a piece of music hardware? --Josh Kim Flint wrote: > At 09:42 AM 7/4/2006, Jeffrey Larson wrote: >> On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:23 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> > As stated also in my mail addressing Aaron, I think a well integrated >> > hardware controller + software DO have a lot of potential. Look at >> > all these M-Audio interfaces that work with Ableton Live. >> > ... >> > Marketing and financing the whole thing - without the backing of a >> > company like Roland or Korg - is of course another issue... ;-) >> >> Right, that's the trick. Manufacturing, distributing, and repairing >> hardware is a pain in the ass, and very difficult for an individual >> to do at a price people are willing to pay. > > actually, these things are quite easy for a single person to do these > days and it doesn't cost that much. The manufacturing infrastructure > is all pretty much built around that idea now. It is much, much easier > than it was 10-15 years ago. > > If you are trying to make a sustainable business out of music > products, make hardware. The market is willing to pay a substantially > higher price for it, the costs are low, you can make a decent profit > margin, and the development effort is easier than for software. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 18:36:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9F833BEDB; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060704102528.050282a8@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060703211953.93734.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060704122327.188660@gmx.net> <2FD8BA6B-9D2F-467F-BA1A-281F26F230C4@zonemobius.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060704102528.050282a8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82B522F0-033E-40F9-923B-F8C6E37C819C@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:36:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:36:19 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 4, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > If you are trying to make a sustainable business out of music > products, make hardware. The market is willing to pay a substantially > higher price for it, the costs are low, you can make a decent profit > margin, and the development effort is easier than for software. Yes you ceratinly get a higher profit margin for hardware. If your goal is to make money, make hardware. The issue being discussed is the combination of hardware and PC software, it doesn't make any economic sense. It's the worst of both worlds, the well discussed stability issues of laptop software, with the expense of dedicated hardware. > and the development effort is easier than for software. Huhh?? Maybe if you're a EE that has spent their life programming for embedded systems. I'll take C++ or C# in Visual Studio any day. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 18:44:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1702F3BEDA; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44AAB71A.2030605@biink.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:44:42 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: <20060703131802.45280.qmail@web60413.mail.yahoo.com> <002a01c69f90$01a2eec0$0affff0a@hppav> In-Reply-To: <002a01c69f90$01a2eec0$0affff0a@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:44:27 +0000 (UTC) David Kirkdorffer wrote: > This prompts a (rather esoteric and nor particularly interesting) > thought -- who was the first person to unsubscribe (or at least try to > unsubscribe) from the list? > Or how many or the first tried to unsubscribe by sending a message to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 19:08:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F7643BEF3; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060704120644.307170@gmx.net> References: <1dcd01c69ebe$6180e590$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060704120644.307170@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:08:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: VST Host & Effects on PDA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:08:09 +0000 (UTC) At 2:06 PM +0200 7/4/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > I remember seeing a blurb on a mini-Ableton clone in one >> of my synth magazines last year. > >Actually, if there is a "mini-looper" for PocketPC - it would be >really awesome!! >Not for anything series for me, but I'd like to jam with myself or >work on some ideas while travelling. > >So, is there a simple "pocket looper" you know of? Well, I found the back issue to which I was referring (Dec. 2005 issue of Keyboard. I should have just done a search online for the article in the first place: http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=30&storycode=12175 ). The software is Bhajis Loops ( http://www.chocopoolp.com ). Unfortunately, it's not as cool as I remember it (but then again, what ever is?). It does seem to be an homage to Ableton Live, but on Palm OS. There are two serious shortcomings, however. First and foremost, it does not seem to accept live input. You have to either record or input .WAV's separately before working with them. Second, and contrary to my first impression, it will *not* act as a VST host. However, it includes almost 20 native effects on its own, so you can already do a lot with what's there. And of course it's pretty fully functional otherwise, especially with the pattern and wave editors. Otherwise, I spent a nice chunk of time looking around for something on Win CE or Palm that would work with VST's. No luck yet. I did find a few neat things for tweezing backing tracks (i.e. drum and bass accompaniments). For instance, at the aforementioned Chocopoolp site, there's a little widget called Microbe that allows you to manipulate 8 drum tracks and 2 synths. There are quite a few Trackers ported over to either Palm or Win CE too. And if you are indeed interested in dropping your rhythm section in your pocket, this would also be a good time to throw in a plug for PSP Rhythm ( http://www.psprhythm.com ) and PSP Kick ( http://www.pspkick.com ) -- both for the Sony PSP. PSP Rhythm is particularly nice, IMNSHO, because it attempts to model some of its functions from the Elektron Machinedrum SPS-1. Both are pretty neat, however, and the PSP platform is excellent for these sorts of homebrew music apps. I'm waiting for someone to finally work out the kinks for live input, then the PSP would really be a viable alternative for music softs. Oh, and it's a really, really kewl game and movie machine too, for when you're stuck in the bus/plane travelling to the next gig. :D --m. -- _______ "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 19:21:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3E903BEF3; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--212512271 From: JoJo Razor Subject: vocal looping Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:21:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:21:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--212512271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi I am new, just joined. Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can send me to. JoJo --Apple-Mail-1--212512271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII CourierHi I am new, just joined. Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can send me to. JoJo --Apple-Mail-1--212512271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 19:27:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD5F3BEF4; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.54.104] Message-ID: <44AAC107.3080602@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:27:03 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocal looping References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060201000405000507050606" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-0, 07/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <04IuJC.A.HQ.TEsqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:27:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060201000405000507050606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already. http://www.kidbeyond.com/ --Josh JoJo Razor wrote: > Hi I am new, just joined. > Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small > trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just > interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. > Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can > send me to. > JoJo --------------060201000405000507050606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already.

http://www.kidbeyond.com/

--Josh



JoJo Razor wrote:
Hi I am new, just joined.
Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small
trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just
interested in pushing the boundaries a bit.
Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can
send me to.
JoJo
--------------060201000405000507050606-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 19:30:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C606A3BEF8; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type; b=KqUwEiM3xkpK1g2lp44ilNM7ljmKF1ml/3yahFyC4bIr+Oy5Cb04wJmGRSSYc6IAxoMOCAwpGSdNyJKceL722bts2nyIT5oBhZMTxk1lUC8PML7JSGZU5mar0F5IIxHgD7MXqD8NPc1ApZhqgLCTwTGlskUL4L3FIKYHdxgKGzw= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:29:11 -0400 Subject: Re: vocal looping From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: vocal looping Thread-Index: AcafoCAsXuOnXguTEduf2wAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <44AAC107.3080602@infinivert.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3234871797_4256324" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:30:11 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3234871797_4256324 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable And theo bleckmann http://theobleckmann.com On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" wrote: > For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you have= n't > already. >=20 > http://www.kidbeyond.com/ >=20 > --Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 > JoJo Razor wrote: >> Hi I am new, just joined. >> Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small >> trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just >> interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. >> Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can >> send me to.=20 >> JoJo=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3234871797_4256324 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: vocal looping And theo bleckmann
http://theobleckmann.com


On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com> w= rote:

For vocal looping, you should definitely= check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already.

http://www.kidbeyond.com/

--Josh



JoJo Razor wrote:
Hi I am new, just joined.
Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small
trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just
interested in pushing the boundaries a bit.
Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can
send me to.
JoJo



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“Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter
“Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
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Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.   917 576-6166
Fax    419 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com


todd@toddreynolds.com
9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
AIM ID: toddreyn


 --B_3234871797_4256324-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 19:50:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D23EC3BEF9; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13760382.1152042637166.JavaMail.herbert1183@mac.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 12:50:37 -0700 From: Herbert Martin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Atmos Trio" CD featuring Looping in-reply-to: <34746b52b45b90d5d77e407f3c1ae0a6@sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit references: <34746b52b45b90d5d77e407f3c1ae0a6@sbcglobal.net> X-Originating-IP: 70.137.190.75/instID=173 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Beautiful track. Love the "looping within a band" context: Jazz Trio segue to "Loopiness" back to Jazz Trio. Cool Great playing too. Did the drummer play the Handsonic "live" or was that an overdub?--or did someone else play it? Thanks for the tune. >Not a "looping CD' per say, but one track off the new CD "Atmos Trio" >features some looping. Check it out if you like and enjoy. > >Go to http://AtmosMusic.com/ > >and visit the MUSIC page. > >Track: Nardis (Yes, The Miles Davis tune) > >For "gear-heads" only: >Features the use of a Boss GT-8 >Electrix Repeater >Line 6 DL-4 >Roland Handsonic > >The other tunes on the disc feature instruments played by humans with >fingers---no further implements. > >If you like what you hear--Atmos can be found playing all over the San >Francisco Bay area. Catch one of their shows ... and/ or you can buy a >CD. > >Atmos Trio >Rob Michael Solidbody & Hollowbody electric guitar, Nylon and Steel >string Acoustic guitars. >Jeff Obee Six-string electric fretted and fretless basses. >Joe Shotwell Drums and percussion > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 20:29:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E05FB3BEE7; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: vocal looping Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:29:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C69FB0.FF63F840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3I3J6C.A.ufC.H_sqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:29:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C69FB0.FF63F840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: vocal loopingI've not seen anyone to touch Michael Schiffner - not = sure about the spelling or a website but he's jaw droppingly good.=20 Saw him in Switzerland last year - In Bill Walkers words - "That guy = just blew me away!!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: vocal looping And theo bleckmann http://theobleckmann.com On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" wrote: For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you = haven't already. http://www.kidbeyond.com/ --Josh JoJo Razor wrote:=20 Hi I am new, just joined.=20 Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small=20 trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just=20 interested in pushing the boundaries a bit.=20 Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can=20 send me to.=20 JoJo=20 = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- "Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad" - Trevor Exter "Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the = creative part of sound" - Ornette Coleman = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C69FB0.FF63F840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: vocal looping
I've not seen anyone to touch Michael = Schiffner -=20 not sure about the spelling or a website but he's jaw droppingly good.=20
Saw him in Switzerland last year  = - In Bill=20 Walkers words - "That guy just blew me away!!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Todd = Reynolds=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 = 8:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: vocal = looping

And theo bleckmann
http://theobleckmann.com

On=20 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com>=20 wrote:
For vocal looping, you should definitely = check out=20 Kid Beyond if you haven't already.

http://www.kidbeyond.com/

-= -Josh



JoJo=20 Razor wrote:
Hi I am new, just joined.
Is anyone = doing=20 vocal looping here? I have a small
trio with two looping = machines,=20 nothing fancy. Just
interested in pushing the boundaries a = bit.=20
Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can
send = me to.=20
JoJo



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=93Virtue=20 is just repression waiting to go bad=94 - Trevor = Exter

=93Classical music=20 is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of = sound=94=20 - Ornette=20 = Coleman
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Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY=20  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.=20   917 576-6166
Fax    419 = 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com
<= BR>
todd@toddreynolds.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C69FB0.FF63F840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 20:31:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3358A3BF00; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060704163102.zt3a5csiokww4s8s@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:31:02 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FlyLooper & maket potential References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Just dropping in on your thread here, If you go to the Native Instruments forum you can find lots and lots of people gripping at NI because they'd rather buy Guitar Rig without the Rig Control pedal and just use a midi pedal. For myself, I bought my first midi pedal last fall and was able to use it right out of the box to control mobius standalone with no fuss or learning curve at all. It's only now that I want to start being able to control some other applications that I'm finally digging into learning how to program the darn thing.... already spent about 6 hrs with that useless excuse for manual they give.... maybe I'm just too old for this Paul Quoting Jeffrey Larson : > Oh, and another thing...the average guitar player doesn't gig with a laptop. > As soon as you drag a laptop into the picture, the market shrinks > dramatically and the ability to deal with midi pedals goes way up. > (Insert your favorite "average guitar player" joke here :-) > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 20:43:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13A603BEF3; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: vocal looping Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:43:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C69F6F.C8CE3020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:43:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C69F6F.C8CE3020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: vocal loopingYou got that right, my Welsh amigo, check with Rick on the spelling, I think its Schiffel, Rick, anyone? Having seen both Michael and Kid Beyond, I have to say, you couldn't find two more different talents and approaches, and yet both are simply amazing in how seemlessly and creatively that make music and the staggering variety of sounds that come out of their mouths. Bill -----Original Message----- From: gareth whittock [mailto:gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocal looping I've not seen anyone to touch Michael Schiffner - not sure about the spelling or a website but he's jaw droppingly good. Saw him in Switzerland last year - In Bill Walkers words - "That guy just blew me away!!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: vocal looping And theo bleckmann http://theobleckmann.com On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" wrote: For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already. http://www.kidbeyond.com/ --Josh JoJo Razor wrote: Hi I am new, just joined. Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can send me to. JoJo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C69F6F.C8CE3020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: vocal looping
You=20 got that right, my Welsh amigo, check with Rick on the spelling, I think = its=20 Schiffel, Rick, anyone?  Having seen both Michael and Kid = Beyond,  I=20 have to say, you couldn't find two more different talents and = approaches, and=20 yet both are simply amazing in how seemlessly and creatively  that = make=20 music and the staggering variety of sounds that come out of their = mouths.=20
Bill
 
 
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 gareth whittock = [mailto:gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent:=20 Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:30 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: vocal=20 looping

I've not seen anyone to touch Michael = Schiffner -=20 not sure about the spelling or a website but he's jaw droppingly good. =
Saw him in Switzerland last = year  - In Bill=20 Walkers words - "That guy just blew me away!!"
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Todd=20 Reynolds
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 = 8:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: vocal = looping

And theo bleckmann
http://theobleckmann.com

On=20 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com>=20 wrote:
For vocal looping, you should definitely = check out=20 Kid Beyond if you haven't already.

http://www.kidbeyond.com/

-= -Josh



JoJo=20 Razor wrote:
Hi I am new, just joined.
Is = anyone doing=20 vocal looping here? I have a small
trio with two looping = machines,=20 nothing fancy. Just
interested in pushing the boundaries a = bit.=20
Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can =
send me to.=20
JoJo



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=93Virtue=20 is just repression waiting to go bad=94 - Trevor = Exter

=93Classical music=20 is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part = of=20 sound=94 - Ornette=20 = Coleman
--------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------=20
Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY=20  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.=20   917 576-6166
Fax    419=20 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com
<= BR>
todd@toddreynolds.com
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AIM ID: toddreyn


------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C69F6F.C8CE3020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 20:51:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B8E43BEF1; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: vocal looping Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:51:29 +0200 Message-ID: <005801c69fab$a2d6adc0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:51:44 +0000 (UTC) When in doubt, check the lineup on http://loopfestival.com/: Michael Schiefel http://www.schiefel.de/ Cheers Bernhard http://nosuch.biz -----Original Message----- From: gareth whittock [mailto:gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk]=20 Sent: Dienstag, 4. Juli 2006 22:30 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocal looping I've not seen anyone to touch Michael Schiffner - not sure about the spelling or a website but he's jaw droppingly good.=20 Saw him in Switzerland last year - In Bill Walkers words - "That guy = just blew me away!!" ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Todd Reynolds=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: vocal looping And theo bleckmann http://theobleckmann.com On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" wrote: For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you = haven't already. http://www.kidbeyond.com/ --Josh JoJo Razor wrote:=20 Hi I am new, just joined.=20 Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small=20 trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just=20 interested in pushing the boundaries a bit.=20 Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can=20 send me to.=20 JoJo=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ----- "Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad" - Trevor Exter "Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound" - Ornette Coleman -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 21:03:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA3C3BF04; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3a9.4b17532.31dc31b6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:03:50 EDT Subject: Re: vocal looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3a9.4b17532.31dc31b6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:03:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_3a9.4b17532.31dc31b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/06 4:30:33 PM, gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk writes: > Michael Schiffner > michael schiefel.....excellent!.....CT-AKKAPELLA is vocal looping.....WHOOLEY.....lots of vocal looping going on.....welcome......:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_3a9.4b17532.31dc31b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/4/06 4:30:33 PM, gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk= writes:


Michael Schiffner


michael schiefel.....excellent!.....CT-AKKAPELLA is vocal looping.....WHO= OLEY.....lots of vocal looping going on.....welcome......:)m



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_3a9.4b17532.31dc31b6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 21:13:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C507E3BEF3; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c69fae$becdc4c0$0301a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: vocal looping Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:13:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:13:52 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "gareth whittock" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: vocal looping Re: vocal loopingI've not seen anyone to touch Michael Schiffner - not sure about the spelling or a website but he's jaw droppingly good. Saw him in Switzerland last year - In Bill Walkers words - "That guy just blew me away!!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: vocal looping http://www.schiefel.de/ yes for me this was "the concert" of the loopfestival Zürich 2005 and besides looping he is one of the most touching jazz singer I know "goose bumps all over me" outstanding Claude And theo bleckmann http://theobleckmann.com On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" wrote: For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already. http://www.kidbeyond.com/ --Josh JoJo Razor wrote: Hi I am new, just joined. Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can send me to. JoJo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad" - Trevor Exter "Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound" - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 21:58:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7B83BEF5; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> Subject: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:58:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05CA_01C69F82.A73B8B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:58:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05CA_01C69F82.A73B8B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey David (I am copying others here to see what is up my sleeve) - I will be out of the town next week, but I wanted to see if you would be = willing to do something with me. I really learn best by doing and watching, being guided in a practical = setting, and I don't have the time to be traveling to face-to-face = workshops. Reading is great, but I learn best by experience and doing. = I'm in the training business, and I manage HP's WW services sales = training program (over 1400 sales reps and 60 managers), and this is a = very significant learning style that we address in our programs....and I = believe this learning style is neglected by the music industry, in = software, especially. This has always baffled me. There are a lot of = smart people in the music industry, yet they don't seem to smart when it = comes to understanding how people learn and how many diverse learning = styles there are out there. I tend to see the same type of learning = methodologies used over and over again, which aren't effective for all = learners. I can see potential for companies to make A LOT of money, if = they just use the right technology for learning and set it up = correctly...but this is a different topic..maybe I'll retire early. :) Manuals, tutorials, face-to-face training in the classroom, etc...all = great for some folks, but they completely neglect a major learning style = in human beings. There is tons of research on this, which I could go on = and on about for pages and pages since it is my specialty, but I'll = spare everyone. I have access to this thing called Virtual Training Room (used to be = called Virtual Classroom), a product of HPs. I can setup a room and we = can enter it, where you can view my desktop or visa versa, and we talk = on a conference line, which I also setup. We can take control of each = other's desktops too for demonstration. I'd like to conduct an = experiment with this learning technology, and have you walk me through = some really basic procedures of Reaktor, like changing ensembles on the = fly from a menu, storing them, saving presets (or snapshots) of an = ensemble and accessing it on the fly, etc. Once I have this down, I can = do the rest. I've tested out all the effects your mentioned on the = reaktor effects user group, and they are outstanding! I can tell that = Reaktor is going to do everything I need and more. I am blown away. I = may never even need another VST effect again. Maybe in a few weeks we could hook up and try this virtual training room = out? Heck, I may even look into purchasing some space, and hosting some = formal training sessions online. The room can hold up to 250 people, all = viewing one's desktop, and listening in real time on a conference line. = I can launch learning checkpoint questions, host group chat, group = discussion groups, and even conduct surveys in real time. I manage = programs that do this stuff all of the time at work. The technology is = powerful and totally under-utilized by the music industry. I'm shooting = for some Music Software eLearning. I can also pay to have the sessions = recorded so that they can be played back in real time, like a virtual, = self-paced training session. Much of this is in the future and will take = time, of course. Anyway, I'll do some more research and see what the costs are, how I can = set it up for the public, etc. Now, while I am on this topic, I would be interest to know if any music = software companies are actually conducting live, interacrtive elearning = (not just talking heads and lecture) and charging per seat. Anyone = know? Can you direct me to any info? I'd like to see who has caught on = to this. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, = G-Force, and PCM81 You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial here: http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: I have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that = now... thanks for the suggestion. ------=_NextPart_000_05CA_01C69F82.A73B8B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey David (I am copying others here to = see what is=20 up my sleeve) -
 
I will be out of the town next = week, but I=20 wanted to see if you would be willing to do something with = me.
 
I really learn best by doing and = watching, being=20 guided in a practical setting, and I don't have the time to be traveling = to=20 face-to-face workshops. Reading is great, but I learn best by experience = and=20 doing. I'm in the training business, and I manage HP's WW services sales = training program (over 1400 sales reps and 60 managers),  and this = is a=20 very significant learning style that we address in our programs....and I = believe=20 this learning style is neglected by the music industry, in = software,=20 especially. This has always baffled me. There are a lot of smart people = in the=20 music industry, yet they don't seem to smart when it comes to = understanding how=20 people learn and how many diverse learning styles there are out there. I = tend to=20 see the same type of learning methodologies used over and over again, = which=20 aren't effective for all learners. I can see potential for companies to = make A=20 LOT of money, if they just use the right technology for learning and set = it up=20 correctly...but this is a different topic..maybe I'll retire early.=20 :)
 
Manuals, tutorials, face-to-face = training in the=20 classroom, etc...all great for some folks, but they = completely neglect a=20 major learning style in human beings. There is tons of research on this, = which I=20 could go on and on about for pages and pages since it is my specialty, = but I'll=20 spare everyone.
 
I have access to this thing called = Virtual Training=20 Room (used to be called Virtual Classroom), a product of HPs. I can = setup a room=20 and we can enter it, where you can view my desktop or visa versa, and we = talk on=20 a conference line, which I also setup. We can take control of each = other's=20 desktops too for demonstration.  I'd like to conduct an experiment = with=20 this learning technology, and have you walk me through some really basic = procedures of Reaktor, like changing ensembles on the fly from a menu, = storing=20 them, saving presets (or snapshots) of an ensemble and accessing it on = the fly,=20 etc. Once I have this down, I can do the rest. I've tested out all the = effects=20 your mentioned on the reaktor effects user group, and they are=20 outstanding!  I can tell that Reaktor is going to do everything I = need and=20 more. I am blown away. I may never even need another VST effect=20 again.
 
Maybe in a few weeks we could hook up = and try this=20 virtual training room out?
 
Heck, I may even look into purchasing = some space,=20 and hosting some formal training sessions online. The room can hold up = to 250=20 people, all viewing one's desktop, and listening in real time on a = conference=20 line. I can launch learning checkpoint questions, host group chat, group = discussion groups, and even conduct surveys in real time. I manage = programs=20 that do this stuff all of the time at work. The technology is = powerful and=20 totally under-utilized by the music industry.  I'm shooting for = some Music=20 Software eLearning. I can also pay to have the sessions recorded so that = they=20 can be played back in real time, like a virtual, self-paced training = session.=20 Much of this is in the future and will take time, of = course.
 
Anyway, I'll do some more research and = see what the=20 costs are, how I can set it up for the public, etc.
 
Now, while I am on this topic, I would = be interest=20 to know if any music software companies are actually conducting live,=20 interacrtive elearning (not just talking heads and lecture) and = charging=20 per seat.  Anyone know?  Can you direct me to any info? I'd = like to=20 see who has caught on to this.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: = Thoughts on=20 the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial = here:

http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S<= /DIV>
On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:
I = have=20 never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... = thanks for=20 the=20 suggestion.

------=_NextPart_000_05CA_01C69F82.A73B8B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 21:58:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87A363BF0B; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:58:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: FlyLooper & market potential In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060704112419.01d913f0@TheNettles.com> References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704112419.01d913f0@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:58:39 +0000 (UTC) At 10:00 AM 7/4/2006, Jeff wrote: >Oh, and another thing...the average guitar player doesn't gig with a >laptop. The average guitar player gigs at home, where their PC lives. Most folks don't play out, guys. As for PCs, I look at all the college students in my neighborhood and they're all packing laptops. Don't look at what the market is now, look at what the market will be in five years. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 21:59:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C95DE3BEF8; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145857.01a65748@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:59:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: FlyLooper & market potential In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060704111944.01d91790@TheNettles.com> References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704111944.01d91790@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <1-pmqB.A.VYG.ySuqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:59:14 +0000 (UTC) At 05:00 AM 7/4/2006, Buzap wrote: >Hi Aaron > > > Statton is a well-known DJ equipment manufacturer. They're hardware > > guys so be sure to pitch the USB controller to them as well. >Actually, thinking of it: >I know that midi footcontrollers are the right thing for the people >on this mailing list. >But I think, for the average guitar player it _could_ be convenient >to pick up a software with a USB pedal that is simply plug&play. You >could probably reach a mass target group that is new to looping and >doesn't want to (initially) hassle with midi pedals and control >messages etc.... >Just a pedal + software that is working out of the box. Egg-zackly. Stay aware of all the possibilities and be ready to surf one. eBay was a software company selling online auction software but they had this little website running a demo of their software and... Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 22:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 546DC3BF02; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: vocal looping Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:14:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C69F7C.80CFC920" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3a9.4b17532.31dc31b6@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:14:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C69F7C.80CFC920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeh, I completely forgot, John Whooley, The two DL-4 slinging force of nature, a hyper creative combination of social commentary, comedy, and a polyglot music vocabulary., that ranges from choir boy beautiful, to death metal raging, and many points in between. Oh, did I mention he plays killer sax? I believe he just got a pretty high profile gig, but I can't remember who with. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocal looping In a message dated 7/4/06 4:30:33 PM, gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk writes: Michael Schiffner michael schiefel.....excellent!.....CT-AKKAPELLA is vocal looping.....WHOOLEY.....lots of vocal looping going on.....welcome......:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C69F7C.80CFC920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh=20 yeh, I completely forgot, John Whooley, The two DL-4 slinging force of = nature, a=20 hyper creative combination of social commentary, comedy, and a polyglot = music=20 vocabulary., that ranges from choir boy beautiful, to death metal = raging, and=20 many points in between.
 Oh, did I mention he plays killer sax? I believe he just = got a=20 pretty high profile gig, but I can't remember who = with.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:04 = PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 vocal looping


In a message dated = 7/4/06 4:30:33=20 PM, gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk writes:


Michael Schiffner


michael=20 schiefel.....excellent!.....CT-AKKAPELLA is vocal = looping.....WHOOLEY.....lots=20 of vocal looping going=20 = on.....welcome......:)m



www.ct-collective.com
http://my= site.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C69F7C.80CFC920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 22:16:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 131D03BF0D; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:16:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C69F85.2D67C540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:16:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C69F85.2D67C540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, if I really decide to take the leap on this from a larger learner = population standpoint, I would conduct a formal needs assessment and = analysis, to drive the instructional design, modules, scripting, = performance objectives, etc of the learning. I just think it would be = cool to have some live and recorded elearning on some of our favorite = software....like Mobius...what do you say, Jeff? =20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Hey David (I am copying others here to see what is up my sleeve) - I will be out of the town next week, but I wanted to see if you would = be willing to do something with me. I really learn best by doing and watching, being guided in a practical = setting, and I don't have the time to be traveling to face-to-face = workshops. Reading is great, but I learn best by experience and doing. = I'm in the training business, and I manage HP's WW services sales = training program (over 1400 sales reps and 60 managers), and this is a = very significant learning style that we address in our programs....and I = believe this learning style is neglected by the music industry, in = software, especially. This has always baffled me. There are a lot of = smart people in the music industry, yet they don't seem to smart when it = comes to understanding how people learn and how many diverse learning = styles there are out there. I tend to see the same type of learning = methodologies used over and over again, which aren't effective for all = learners. I can see potential for companies to make A LOT of money, if = they just use the right technology for learning and set it up = correctly...but this is a different topic..maybe I'll retire early. :) Manuals, tutorials, face-to-face training in the classroom, etc...all = great for some folks, but they completely neglect a major learning style = in human beings. There is tons of research on this, which I could go on = and on about for pages and pages since it is my specialty, but I'll = spare everyone. I have access to this thing called Virtual Training Room (used to be = called Virtual Classroom), a product of HPs. I can setup a room and we = can enter it, where you can view my desktop or visa versa, and we talk = on a conference line, which I also setup. We can take control of each = other's desktops too for demonstration. I'd like to conduct an = experiment with this learning technology, and have you walk me through = some really basic procedures of Reaktor, like changing ensembles on the = fly from a menu, storing them, saving presets (or snapshots) of an = ensemble and accessing it on the fly, etc. Once I have this down, I can = do the rest. I've tested out all the effects your mentioned on the = reaktor effects user group, and they are outstanding! I can tell that = Reaktor is going to do everything I need and more. I am blown away. I = may never even need another VST effect again. Maybe in a few weeks we could hook up and try this virtual training = room out? Heck, I may even look into purchasing some space, and hosting some = formal training sessions online. The room can hold up to 250 people, all = viewing one's desktop, and listening in real time on a conference line. = I can launch learning checkpoint questions, host group chat, group = discussion groups, and even conduct surveys in real time. I manage = programs that do this stuff all of the time at work. The technology is = powerful and totally under-utilized by the music industry. I'm shooting = for some Music Software eLearning. I can also pay to have the sessions = recorded so that they can be played back in real time, like a virtual, = self-paced training session. Much of this is in the future and will take = time, of course. Anyway, I'll do some more research and see what the costs are, how I = can set it up for the public, etc. Now, while I am on this topic, I would be interest to know if any = music software companies are actually conducting live, interacrtive = elearning (not just talking heads and lecture) and charging per seat. = Anyone know? Can you direct me to any info? I'd like to see who has = caught on to this. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, = G-Force, and PCM81 You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial here: http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: I have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that = now... thanks for the suggestion. ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C69F85.2D67C540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BTW, if I really decide to take the = leap on this=20 from a larger learner population standpoint, I would conduct a = formal needs=20 assessment and analysis, to drive the instructional design, modules, = scripting,=20 performance objectives, etc of the learning.  I just think it = would be=20 cool to have some live and recorded elearning on some of our favorite=20 software....like Mobius...what do you say, Jeff? 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 = 3:58=20 PM
Subject: eLearning & = Reaktor=20 (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room)

Hey David (I am copying others here = to see what=20 is up my sleeve) -
 
I will be out of the town next = week, but I=20 wanted to see if you would be willing to do something with = me.
 
I really learn best by doing and = watching, being=20 guided in a practical setting, and I don't have the time to be = traveling to=20 face-to-face workshops. Reading is great, but I learn best by = experience and=20 doing. I'm in the training business, and I manage HP's WW services = sales=20 training program (over 1400 sales reps and 60 managers),  and = this is a=20 very significant learning style that we address in our programs....and = I=20 believe this learning style is neglected by the music = industry, in=20 software, especially. This has always baffled me. There are a lot of = smart=20 people in the music industry, yet they don't seem to smart when it = comes to=20 understanding how people learn and how many diverse learning styles = there are=20 out there. I tend to see the same type of learning methodologies used = over and=20 over again, which aren't effective for all learners. I can see = potential for=20 companies to make A LOT of money, if they just use the right = technology for=20 learning and set it up correctly...but this is a different = topic..maybe I'll=20 retire early. :)
 
Manuals, tutorials, face-to-face = training in the=20 classroom, etc...all great for some folks, but they = completely neglect a=20 major learning style in human beings. There is tons of research on = this, which=20 I could go on and on about for pages and pages since it is my = specialty, but=20 I'll spare everyone.
 
I have access to this thing called = Virtual=20 Training Room (used to be called Virtual Classroom), a product of HPs. = I can=20 setup a room and we can enter it, where you can view my desktop or = visa versa,=20 and we talk on a conference line, which I also setup. We can take = control=20 of each other's desktops too for demonstration.  I'd like to = conduct an=20 experiment with this learning technology, and have you walk me through = some=20 really basic procedures of Reaktor, like changing ensembles on the fly = from a=20 menu, storing them, saving presets (or snapshots) of an ensemble and = accessing=20 it on the fly, etc. Once I have this down, I can do the rest. I've = tested out=20 all the effects your mentioned on the reaktor effects user group, and = they are=20 outstanding!  I can tell that Reaktor is going to do everything I = need=20 and more. I am blown away. I may never even need another VST effect=20 again.
 
Maybe in a few weeks we could hook up = and try=20 this virtual training room out?
 
Heck, I may even look into purchasing = some space,=20 and hosting some formal training sessions online. The room can hold up = to 250=20 people, all viewing one's desktop, and listening in real time on a = conference=20 line. I can launch learning checkpoint questions, host group chat, = group=20 discussion groups, and even conduct surveys in real time. I manage = programs=20 that do this stuff all of the time at work. The technology is = powerful=20 and totally under-utilized by the music industry.  I'm shooting = for some=20 Music Software eLearning. I can also pay to have the sessions recorded = so that=20 they can be played back in real time, like a virtual, self-paced = training=20 session. Much of this is in the future and will take time, of=20 course.
 
Anyway, I'll do some more research = and see what=20 the costs are, how I can set it up for the public, etc.
 
Now, while I am on this topic, I = would be=20 interest to know if any music software companies are actually = conducting live,=20 interacrtive elearning (not just talking heads and lecture) and = charging=20 per seat.  Anyone know?  Can you direct me to any info? I'd = like to=20 see who has caught on to this.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: = Thoughts=20 on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

You can download my Reaktor FX pdf = tutorial=20 here:

http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S<= /DIV>
On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:
I have=20 never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... = thanks=20 for the=20 = suggestion.

------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C69F85.2D67C540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 23:15:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 454053BEFA; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060703073157.90484.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060703073157.90484.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:14:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: tec electronics voice live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:15:03 +0000 (UTC) At 12:31 AM -0700 7/3/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: >Anybody using this one live? its flirting with me the >and the demo is quite impressive! check it out >http://www.tc-helicon.com/VoiceLive Well, I was also looking seriously at grabbing the VoiceLive until I managed to get an absolutely killer deal on a VoiceWorks a couple of months ago. Form factor notwithstanding (VoiceLive is a foot controller, VoiceWorks is the rack-mount) the only big differences between the two are that the VoiceLive includes a limiter, as well as some extra tonal shaping presets for things like "cockpit radio voice". Otherwise, I believe the software is basically identical between the two, and the VoiceWorks can behave like the VoiceLive with the simple addition of a footcontroller or MIDI pedal. The VoiceWorks is excellent in regard to pitch shift, with some considerations. For the record, I'm using it as a dedicated unit inside my Wind Synth rig: Yamaha WX-11 & VL70-m (with Patchman ROM) --> Presonus Eureka preamp --> TC Helicon VoiceWorks --> Boss VF-1 --> out. I'm also using a Novation A-station in parallel for vocoding and extra synth/arpeggiator parts, but that bypasses the VoiceWorks. First consideration is that obviously the input needs to be monophonic. It tracks and harmonizes perfectly with a mono source, but if you feed it even simple two-note chords -- glitch city. Keeping a good constant level also helps, which is why I preamp the material first. Second consideration is that you need to watch your range. You've got a good amount of leeway from middle C -- probably between two to three octaves in either direction, depending upon your source material -- but once you start to stray too high or two low, the VoiceWorks starts to have some trouble with its tracking. Keep in mind that it's designed for voice, and although it works great on other material, it is optimized for a particular tonal range. When actually used with voice, the Harmony voices are realistic and each harmony part can be programmed into different voice characters. They can also be individually controlled, and add an amazing amount of realism when used in the studio under such control. For live use, the harmony scales are pretty easy to use (either save a particular key/scale into a preset, or just send MIDI notes). Pitch correction is likewise good, and can be applied in various amounts, depending on how out-of-pitch your source is. My singing sucks, though, so I've been concentrating on using it with different instruments (hence, the Wind Synth setup). Using the VoiceWorks' intelligent harmonizing in conjunction with the VL70-m I've been able to pull off whole string sections with little trouble. Horn sections are a little trickier, as for some reason they often come off sounding more like "sampled horns" than the real thing. Still not bad, just different. Some sound/harmonization combinations are phenomenal, though. I've got a simple slide guitar patch, for instance, that becomes a full blown studio pedal steel -- just beautiful! It follows the slides flawlessly, and I'd defy anybody to tell that it's actually a wind controller playing a monophonic physical modelling synth through an intelligent harmonizer (although I'll admit a real pedal steel is probably a heckuva lot cheaper :P ). Overall, it's the best pitch shift I've used this side of an Eventide (and it'll even give something like an H3000 a run for its money, IMNSHO). Let me know if there's anything in particular about which you were curious, though, and I'll be happy to address that. :) --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 4 23:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC4593BF18; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704112419.01d913f0@TheNettles.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10AA6FA8-2277-4550-99B2-68693CE80CDC@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: FlyLooper & market potential Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:17:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:17:53 +0000 (UTC) > The average guitar player gigs at home, where their PC lives. Look, this discussion is going off in about 4 different directions. Let's go back to the original topic. Aaron is writing a software looper, and presumably wants to make money selling it. Instead of supporting MIDI like practically every other piece of music software in the world, he was going to build his own custom footswitch that would only work with his software. Many, if not most, of the people that are going to be interested in this looper don't want another friggin' footswitch. Not supporting MIDI, at least as an option, is insane. If in addition to MIDI support, you think you can build a custom footswitch and sell it for around $50, then hey, have fun. But if you go much beyond that you're competing with several general purpose MIDI controllers. I don't know. Maybe there is a huge untapped market of computer musicians willing to shell out $200 for a software looper. Personally, I think that would be just dandy :-) But I think the enthusiasm displayed for such things by members of this list is not be the best indicator of the size of that market. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 00:27:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95AD3BF14; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c69fc9$d6d1e2c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" Cc: "Chapman Stick discussion list" , Subject: test Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 02:27:45 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69FDA.99D52F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:27:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69FDA.99D52F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ignore this message, and sorry. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69FDA.99D52F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 00:55:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1748E3BF20; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAP+qqkQ Message-ID: <002301c69fce$299a5f60$84a6874a@c1503933a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:58:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <5cnOWC.A.ekE.e4wqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris. Sounds like a cool project. So you just got Reaktor? I've been REALLY into it for about 6 years now, what an amazing program. You might want to try out some of the stuff I've built: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html I used it for all my Continuum Fingerboard demos at the NAMM show in January. Dunno if I have time to help much with the Reaktor education project, but feel free to ask me questions if you have any. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Hey David (I am copying others here to see what is up my sleeve) - I will be out of the town next week, but I wanted to see if you would be willing to do something with me. I really learn best by doing and watching, being guided in a practical setting, and I don't have the time to be traveling to face-to-face workshops. Reading is great, but I learn best by experience and doing. I'm in the training business, and I manage HP's WW services sales training program (over 1400 sales reps and 60 managers), and this is a very significant learning style that we address in our programs....and I believe this learning style is neglected by the music industry, in software, especially. This has always baffled me. There are a lot of smart people in the music industry, yet they don't seem to smart when it comes to understanding how people learn and how many diverse learning styles there are out there. I tend to see the same type of learning methodologies used over and over again, which aren't effective for all learners. I can see potential for companies to make A LOT of money, if they just use the right technology for learning and set it up correctly...but this is a different topic..maybe I'll retire early. :) Manuals, tutorials, face-to-face training in the classroom, etc...all great for some folks, but they completely neglect a major learning style in human beings. There is tons of research on this, which I could go on and on about for pages and pages since it is my specialty, but I'll spare everyone. I have access to this thing called Virtual Training Room (used to be called Virtual Classroom), a product of HPs. I can setup a room and we can enter it, where you can view my desktop or visa versa, and we talk on a conference line, which I also setup. We can take control of each other's desktops too for demonstration. I'd like to conduct an experiment with this learning technology, and have you walk me through some really basic procedures of Reaktor, like changing ensembles on the fly from a menu, storing them, saving presets (or snapshots) of an ensemble and accessing it on the fly, etc. Once I have this down, I can do the rest. I've tested out all the effects your mentioned on the reaktor effects user group, and they are outstanding! I can tell that Reaktor is going to do everything I need and more. I am blown away. I may never even need another VST effect again. Maybe in a few weeks we could hook up and try this virtual training room out? Heck, I may even look into purchasing some space, and hosting some formal training sessions online. The room can hold up to 250 people, all viewing one's desktop, and listening in real time on a conference line. I can launch learning checkpoint questions, host group chat, group discussion groups, and even conduct surveys in real time. I manage programs that do this stuff all of the time at work. The technology is powerful and totally under-utilized by the music industry. I'm shooting for some Music Software eLearning. I can also pay to have the sessions recorded so that they can be played back in real time, like a virtual, self-paced training session. Much of this is in the future and will take time, of course. Anyway, I'll do some more research and see what the costs are, how I can set it up for the public, etc. Now, while I am on this topic, I would be interest to know if any music software companies are actually conducting live, interacrtive elearning (not just talking heads and lecture) and charging per seat. Anyone know? Can you direct me to any info? I'd like to see who has caught on to this. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial here: http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: I have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... thanks for the suggestion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 00:57:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAD853BF25; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1136.66.143.210.250.1152061079.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:57:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:57:08 +0000 (UTC) >I just think it would be > cool to have some live and recorded elearning on some of our favorite > software....like Mobius... Yes please! The only thing that would be awkward about Mobius is that, thanks to the hard work of our good friend Jeff, the program changes quite regularly. I suppose we could record a session on the basics, and then--if it works well--do occasional update sessions. You can count me in for sure! --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 01:32:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A174E3BF25; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gUQCQD+JODJ0otUSRFnXEGgYK6A+/NPeAJBet1O7G44DvhXdkBE6DAShT3wOyYUA1WbDoAFn8R8VpDtUrqdr1wmvwZmOV7NMcsw42O64xk0+3kStaFmhzZu2PSFgsyOsWBYl1GlAFbMB8P+/QMORMstR5nazjmB4k3cjALa5Fw0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:32:16 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FlyLooper & market potential In-Reply-To: <10AA6FA8-2277-4550-99B2-68693CE80CDC@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704112419.01d913f0@TheNettles.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> <10AA6FA8-2277-4550-99B2-68693CE80CDC@zonemobius.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5d3e595484ebc260 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:32:18 +0000 (UTC) On 7/4/06, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > I don't know. Maybe there is a huge untapped market of computer > musicians willing to shell out $200 for a software looper. Personally, > I think that would be just dandy :-) But I think the enthusiasm > displayed for such things by members of this list is not be the best indicator > of the size of that market. Then again, maybe it is our fault for pricing our software loopers at $0. The total capability you can get for free these days makes it much more of a challenge for someone to come along and try to charge money. It's going to have to be really quite good at what it does, and it *will* have to distinguish itself. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 01:51:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D629A3BF1A; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4CB1C2F4-CD64-450B-BD2F-E5BAECC51221@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:51:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:51:46 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 4, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I just think it would be cool to have some live and recorded elearning > on some of our favorite software....like Mobius...what do you say, > Jeff? Only if I get my own trailer, no brown M&Ms, and 6 Tuvan throat singers, fully shaved. Seriously, I would be happy to participate as best I can, but I can't travel and I'm really out of shape as a musician, so I would be ummm, distracting as a demonstrator. Jeff "I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. deMille" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 01:58:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A2B33BF20; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TOoKf1f5ji8KJWsZvgiTmNOkcfqiXWYpNvek3I0GpvTs0vJ3ByUaqk99/idx374s89FlCfpkmjChNViCykMX0l87f4DhrgPRqrGiFaHQCCr3SUA5p5XKJsxmxX1Q1mpSXItZbICvXHFDIn1/aUclwJw7AC6EetTN4wZBKccgFQA= ; Message-ID: <20060705015806.25651.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44AA8EFB.5030508@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Josh, Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it sounds so obvious;-) cheers Luis --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you > using? > > --Josh > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Hi krispen, > > Here is mine composed of 4 different > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it > > repeats itself(ups) > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill > donate > > it to the LD comunity > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > > cheers > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 02:18:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD3083BF2A; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 02:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=arWPDqEYPTIbe2QCUGxavt012y1TJ9X4y/yvR4CS+p3MpDaoladwhnIyLtssfav9; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200673522144240@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:21:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f79bf32ef962fbce08d5574805c86487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.216 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 02:17:59 +0000 (UTC) How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? I'm not 100% clear whether we're talking about loop length or the length of the piece. Sorry for being so dense ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: L.A. Angulo > To: > Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM > Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > > Hi Josh, > Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my > mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra > touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also > slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it > sounds so obvious;-) > cheers > Luis > > --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > > > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you > > using? > > > > --Josh > > > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi krispen, > > > Here is mine composed of 4 different > > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it > > > repeats itself(ups) > > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill > > donate > > > it to the LD comunity > > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > > > cheers > > > Luis > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 03:24:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 956413BED2; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <061001c69fe2$85c47d70$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1136.66.143.210.250.1152061079.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:24:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Exactly. I would build small units or lessons that could be updated in a cost effective way, starting with foundational training and moving to intermediate and advanced. This will be a part of my grand plan. I'm going to do some cost analysis this month on what it will take to build a 1 hour eLearning module, self paced and live....cost of design, analysis, development, and implementation. I'll need a pilot. I'm hoping Jeff chimes in here to volunteer to pilot with Mobius. If it worked well, I would market it to other commerical companies as an independent consultant, using my existing set of instructional design tools and resources. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:57 PM Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) > >I just think it would be >> cool to have some live and recorded elearning on some of our favorite >> software....like Mobius... > > Yes please! The only thing that would be awkward about Mobius is that, > thanks to the hard work of our good friend Jeff, the program changes quite > regularly. > > I suppose we could record a session on the basics, and then--if it works > well--do occasional update sessions. > > You can count me in for sure! > > --Josh > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 03:32:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047903BED3; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <065a01c69fe3$96f096a0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <410-2200673522144240@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:32:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:32:08 +0000 (UTC) 30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what you do in that space with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a larger piece if you like, or just record it that way. Consider it a "thumbnail" depiction of your looping personality. :) It should be a good test of our ability to articulate what we are as loopers in 30 sec...a fun challenge. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? I'm not 100% clear > whether we're talking about loop length or the length of the piece. Sorry > for being so dense ;-) > > ~Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: L.A. Angulo >> To: >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions >> >> Hi Josh, >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra >> touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also >> slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it >> sounds so obvious;-) >> cheers >> Luis >> >> --- Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >> > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you >> > using? >> > >> > --Josh >> > >> > L.A. Angulo wrote: >> > > Hi krispen, >> > > Here is mine composed of 4 different >> > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it >> > > repeats itself(ups) >> > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill >> > donate >> > > it to the LD comunity >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm >> > > cheers >> > > Luis >> > > >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ >> > > Do You Yahoo!? >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > protection around >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 03:32:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AEF53BEDE; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <066a01c69fe3$a0faee70$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4CB1C2F4-CD64-450B-BD2F-E5BAECC51221@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:32:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-yeD2D.A.ZxB.ILzqEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:32:25 +0000 (UTC) No travel required. I manage these sort of projects for a living, and we do it all virtual. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) > On Jul 4, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I just think it would be cool to have some live and recorded > elearning > > on some of our favorite software....like Mobius...what do you say, > > Jeff? > > Only if I get my own trailer, no brown M&Ms, and 6 Tuvan throat > singers, fully shaved. > > > Seriously, I would be happy to participate as best I can, but I can't > travel and I'm really out of shape as a musician, so I would be ummm, > distracting as a demonstrator. > > Jeff > > "I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. deMille" > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 03:41:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ECA53BEE8; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JbOGdabxwCP1UQ7pO5dXK2CRhqzEtTKreLfV6FPyn5N+4uY+/Glv4FNRjrvK7aePIw61cs94suckCo6IX+TkaO3wnFJrVL03BrRx0gRruZOzsCqKdiX1O6XraKZ7BWCUev2IGYYbfGO5aJFfiU8SmFjCdltDWEJe2f2P8AKWwlc= ; Message-ID: <20060705034141.41063.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <065a01c69fe3$96f096a0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Oh kris ill have to either pull mine out or edited i thought it was 30 sec. till it repeats... let me know Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > 30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what > you do in that space > with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out > of a larger piece if you > like, or just record it that way. Consider it a > "thumbnail" depiction of > your looping personality. :) It should be a good > test of our ability to > articulate what we are as loopers in 30 sec...a fun > challenge. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > > > > How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? > I'm not 100% clear > > whether we're talking about loop length or the > length of the piece. Sorry > > for being so dense ;-) > > > > ~Tim > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: L.A. Angulo > >> To: > >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > >> > >> Hi Josh, > >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from > my > >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an > extra > >> touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also > >> slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why > it > >> sounds so obvious;-) > >> cheers > >> Luis > >> > >> --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> > >> > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are > you > >> > using? > >> > > >> > --Josh > >> > > >> > L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> > > Hi krispen, > >> > > Here is mine composed of 4 different > >> > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before > it > >> > > repeats itself(ups) > >> > > but if it doesnt work for this project then > ill > >> > donate > >> > > it to the LD comunity > >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > >> > > cheers > >> > > Luis > >> > > > >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > > > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > >> > > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> > protection around > >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 04:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D28BB3BED2; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAGfZqkQ Message-ID: <001301c69feb$01332da0$84a6874a@c1503933a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> <05cd01c69fb4$f316df90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <05de01c69fb7$78e8ebc0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:24:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:22:27 +0000 (UTC) These might help: http://www.computermusic.co.uk/tutorial/reaktor1/reaktormain.asp http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=r4firststeps_us http://www.recordlabelrecords.org/norcal.html At some point there was a tutorial that used Reaktor to illustrate the basics of synthesis, but at the moment I can't seem to Google anything about that. That may or may not be useful as it was really teaching general synth concepts. Mark Smart 1 http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) BTW, if I really decide to take the leap on this from a larger learner population standpoint, I would conduct a formal needs assessment and analysis, to drive the instructional design, modules, scripting, performance objectives, etc of the learning. I just think it would be cool to have some live and recorded elearning on some of our favorite software....like Mobius...what do you say, Jeff? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:58 PM Subject: eLearning & Reaktor (utilzing HP's Virtual Learning Room) Hey David (I am copying others here to see what is up my sleeve) - I will be out of the town next week, but I wanted to see if you would be willing to do something with me. I really learn best by doing and watching, being guided in a practical setting, and I don't have the time to be traveling to face-to-face workshops. Reading is great, but I learn best by experience and doing. I'm in the training business, and I manage HP's WW services sales training program (over 1400 sales reps and 60 managers), and this is a very significant learning style that we address in our programs....and I believe this learning style is neglected by the music industry, in software, especially. This has always baffled me. There are a lot of smart people in the music industry, yet they don't seem to smart when it comes to understanding how people learn and how many diverse learning styles there are out there. I tend to see the same type of learning methodologies used over and over again, which aren't effective for all learners. I can see potential for companies to make A LOT of money, if they just use the right technology for learning and set it up correctly...but this is a different topic..maybe I'll retire early. :) Manuals, tutorials, face-to-face training in the classroom, etc...all great for some folks, but they completely neglect a major learning style in human beings. There is tons of research on this, which I could go on and on about for pages and pages since it is my specialty, but I'll spare everyone. I have access to this thing called Virtual Training Room (used to be called Virtual Classroom), a product of HPs. I can setup a room and we can enter it, where you can view my desktop or visa versa, and we talk on a conference line, which I also setup. We can take control of each other's desktops too for demonstration. I'd like to conduct an experiment with this learning technology, and have you walk me through some really basic procedures of Reaktor, like changing ensembles on the fly from a menu, storing them, saving presets (or snapshots) of an ensemble and accessing it on the fly, etc. Once I have this down, I can do the rest. I've tested out all the effects your mentioned on the reaktor effects user group, and they are outstanding! I can tell that Reaktor is going to do everything I need and more. I am blown away. I may never even need another VST effect again. Maybe in a few weeks we could hook up and try this virtual training room out? Heck, I may even look into purchasing some space, and hosting some formal training sessions online. The room can hold up to 250 people, all viewing one's desktop, and listening in real time on a conference line. I can launch learning checkpoint questions, host group chat, group discussion groups, and even conduct surveys in real time. I manage programs that do this stuff all of the time at work. The technology is powerful and totally under-utilized by the music industry. I'm shooting for some Music Software eLearning. I can also pay to have the sessions recorded so that they can be played back in real time, like a virtual, self-paced training session. Much of this is in the future and will take time, of course. Anyway, I'll do some more research and see what the costs are, how I can set it up for the public, etc. Now, while I am on this topic, I would be interest to know if any music software companies are actually conducting live, interacrtive elearning (not just talking heads and lecture) and charging per seat. Anyone know? Can you direct me to any info? I'd like to see who has caught on to this. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial here: http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: I have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... thanks for the suggestion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 04:31:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 188973BED8; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:31:42 -0400 Message-ID: <00e001c69feb$eb631cf0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C69FCA.64517CF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060704033617.A9B753BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcafGwVjg4JsqlRwQuauH3a8Y7HXKQA0F4lA Resent-Message-ID: <-Gz_gD.A.FuD.xC0qEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:31:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C69FCA.64517CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM session. While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to make some music together. If anybody is interested, there's a 23 minute (33 meg d/l) file at: http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 Comments welcome! Tony ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C69FCA.64517CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Last week Rainer and I managed to = get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM session.  While we had a few = technical issues, we did manage to make some music together.  If anybody is = interested, there’s a 23 minute (33 meg d/l) file = at:

 

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------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C69FCA.64517CF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 04:40:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F354F3BEDC; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C+HzMQkgngthCq0VGHvw3hmnxXvaSqHm5MDuHVX2M6QAUoBHnDM8KpyC+D5X+t6B; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <30252911.1152074458247.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:40:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4842581bd0947a99465b6e6fe46a3a48360ca2637590cc961d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:40:58 +0000 (UTC) i B likin it -----Original Message----- >From: Tony K >Sent: Jul 4, 2006 9:31 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. > >Hi all, > > > >Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM >session. While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to make some >music together. If anybody is interested, there's a 23 minute (33 meg d/l) >file at: > > > >http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 > > > >Comments welcome! > > > >Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 04:49:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2850E3BEDF; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=00mXI2l6JdwiKMZyA9uwQtuGVVtVPBHNHrQHVFw6oh1Tc/D5wO5bNLPurwNG/GAxJ5UlrKL+xrnNhfgsUaaSjTBAsIzyguQBkF0vYAD24k4dfpIf1Y5COIvc+6wL/p5wKkgRAgUef8M2d98RJSK/6rrGdI7c025Fpc2xseyK39o= ; Message-ID: <20060705044947.93852.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: tec electronics voice live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:49:49 +0000 (UTC) I see there is an instrument input besides the line one and i am wondering if both signals can be proccess separately,the voice works seems to only have one input. I bet they are both nice though! Luis > > Overall, it's the best pitch shift I've used this > side of an Eventide > (and it'll even give something like an H3000 a run > for its money, > IMNSHO). Let me know if there's anything in > particular about which > you were curious, though, and I'll be happy to > address that. :) > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 06:22:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04EBE3BED6; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 06:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o/1g93PvV9yoA0XTrixsBMMRZb+T4pP/QdfKjZHxFr+3qjaJPpxAKFOvI3R3ka6ROx79IA9lUjggbcCrhK3AcgN66jqvqb/mLMvafc7xdr6L+/uUh11fbAQBsSl2dPpYvj5Y+GV8kaDBrL+EghzS4+nQCuD0rSD3x3nW1TYWUWU= ; Message-ID: <20060705062230.38331.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re:vocal looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060704215820.CB66A3BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 06:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Then there's (ahem)...me. Most of my work is sans-looper, but I'm integrating it more and more. Welcome to the list, JoJo! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers ---------------------------------------- On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" wrote: For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already. http://www.kidbeyond.com/ --Josh JoJo Razor wrote: Hi I am new, just joined. Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can send me to. JoJo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 06:51:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F3F63BED9; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 06:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=e+fn+KMqaKiDzi7xIcGFn/flkvbmVA0ece/cIanmx+CLjKe8YZaJ8+r4QqR+IURR2l6yTJReiEBcuYtcNPYbrjubIx623KxiCRVsL0tBy0s+nNw5utxEpl69uMV1X1GKflSVBbbhf+pmrabkPMkIFBs4GYyYnYDajvxqbcWA14w= Message-ID: <64b81a780607042351u31cff078xe86ef0881372ebdd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 02:51:56 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 help (was Re: FlyLooper & maket potential) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 06:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Paul, There's a lot of info regarding programming the FCB1010 over at the yahoo group: . Specifically in their files section: FAQs, How-Tos, guides for working with specific equipment, etc. Plus there's an active and helpful community....IF you've read the docs and have specific questions. No need to spend 6 hours spinning your wheels when the answers you need are probably available online. Good luck, Todd On 7/4/06, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Just dropping in on your thread here, If you go to the Native > Instruments forum > you can find lots and lots of people gripping at NI because they'd rather buy > Guitar Rig without the Rig Control pedal and just use a midi pedal. For > myself, > I bought my first midi pedal last fall and was able to use it right out of the > box to control mobius standalone with no fuss or learning curve at all. It's > only now that I want to start being able to control some other applications > that I'm finally digging into learning how to program the darn thing.... > already spent about 6 hrs with that useless excuse for manual they give.... > maybe I'm just too old for this > > Paul > > > > Quoting Jeffrey Larson : > > > Oh, and another thing...the average guitar player doesn't gig with a laptop. > > As soon as you drag a laptop into the picture, the market shrinks > > dramatically and the ability to deal with midi pedals goes way up. > > (Insert your favorite "average guitar player" joke here :-) > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 07:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAFCA3BED3; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013401c6a008$8653cfe0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: vocal looping: a list and the VOICE ELECTRONICS tribe Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:56:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:56:24 +0000 (UTC) I read with interest and concur with the great reviews of looping vocalists Kid Beyond , John Whooley and Michael Shieffel and wanted to add several others to the list as well: PHYLL SMITH (aka DARK MUSE) who marries goth, dark ambient, found sound and looped ethereal vocals in here performances and CDs SIMRAN GLEASON (overtone singing of many kinds) MARTYN ST. MICHAEL (also an excellent overtone singer) the excellent group LOOP STATION (This duo with vocalist, ROBIN COOMER and cellist, Sam Bass opened up for Thomas Dolby's recent comeback performance in San Francisco and will be featured at Y2K6 in October), JUANA MOLINA the incredible Argentinian vocalist/instrumentalist who combines acoustic folk songs with really fascinating avant garde electronica and looped vocals DIANA THOMPSON (aka PUSHING AIR) DINA EMERSON (who also sings lead with Cirque Du Soleil and Merideth Monk) KID LUCKY (the incredible and very influential beatboxer from New York City) RADIO ACTIVE (the rapper/beatboxer who performs with the politically conscious rap group, Spearhead----I just did a show with him and it was like taking a masters course on beatboxing................he was just ridiculously accomplished and inventive with two Line 6s) a growing number of young street beatboxers that I've done shows with in the bay area including ADAM ANT the PLUMBER that are using live looping devices in their shows. there are also a lot of loopers like JEFF KAISER, RENA JONES, GARY REGINA and many others who incorporate a lot of vocals into their multi-instrumental looping. Then there are singers like the famous dark avant garde artist DIAMANDA GALAS who toured with looping live processing sound engineer and beloved L.D. list member, DR. RICHARD ZVONAR (who, very sadly, passed away last year) I hope I didn't leave anybody out but I'm sure I did. *************** Oh, yeah, and there's moi: I put out an entire CD two years ago that is voice-only live looping (with half the tracks using unusual techniques for computer generated voices to augment it) called 'Faux Voix.' I've been experimenting a lot with what I call extended vocal techniques..............some that I've learned and some that I think I've invented............. trill singing, warble singing, chest manipulated falsetto comb filtering, hum whistling, whistle humming, different kinds of overtone manipulation and then the use of physical props to change the timbre of my voice like singing through corrugated tubing that has variable length manipulations (medical tubing that can collapse or elongate), singing into different sizes of vessels to activate over resonation of the voice and then I've been working a lot on faux industrial and faux synthesizer drum sounds as well as faux ethnic percussion sounds in my beatboxing. I performed a 15 minute acapella/live looping performance at the Kobe Underground Festival in Japan last summer. http://www.looppool.info/fauxvoix.html ***************** I also produced a show called the Festival of Voice and Electronics where 10 singers gave 15 minute acapella performances from radically different genres (opera, pop, tuvan overtone singing, beatboxing, death metal, avant garde and classical styles) whilst being processed from one to three live looping artists. That show resulted in a two day show that Matt Davignon put on in San Francisco and Oakland a year or so later called the Two Day Voice and Electronics Thingee. This show resulted in the creation of the Voice and Electronics tribe at www.tribe.net Please come join us there: http://electronicvoice.tribe.net/ It's free to join and they don't spam your email address. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 08:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602F93BECA; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060705005630.0517d6c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:01:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: FlyLooper & market potential In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704112419.01d913f0@TheNettles.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:01:46 +0000 (UTC) At 02:58 PM 7/4/2006, Kevin wrote: >At 10:00 AM 7/4/2006, Jeff wrote: >>Oh, and another thing...the average guitar player doesn't gig with a >>laptop. > >The average guitar player gigs at home, where their PC lives. Most folks >don't play out, guys. As for PCs, I look at all the college students in >my neighborhood and they're all packing laptops. Don't look at what the >market is now, look at what the market will be in five years. smart phones. 3G. PSP. ipod. etc. Laptops are the past already. Musicians are always behind. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 08:03:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07BD03BED0; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060705044947.93852.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060705044947.93852.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 03:03:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: tec electronics voice live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:03:07 +0000 (UTC) At 9:49 PM -0700 7/4/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: >I see there is an instrument input besides the line >one and i am wondering if both signals can be proccess >separately,the voice works seems to only have one >input. Yeah, I'm *fairly* certain that the extra instrument input is merely routed to the aux audio path, which is the same on both units (if not, I'm going to be mightily peeved, 'cause I could really use a second harmonizer input). I'm pretty sure that it uses the secondary signal path, because I doubt that they're going to include a whole second harmonizer in the same unit. And I tried merging two sources into the same harmony block at the input. That confused the harmonizer tracking hella bad. The aux input on the VoiceWorks passes the signal through the reverb and delay blocks, but it sums into the signal chain after the harmony processor. It's nice for adding instrumentation into the same "space" as the vocals, and the reverb/delay is of the same quality you'd expect from TC Electronic. Excellent! >I bet they are both nice though! Oh, absolutely. Like I stated previously, I was originally looking to pick up the VoiceLive in the first place. Then the VoiceWorks dropped into my lap at half the cost of the VoiceLive, so I couldn't pass that deal up. If you get the VoiceLive, I'm sure you'll have lots of fun with it. And, as I said, I'm sure it sounds great. :) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 08:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 306D43BEE9; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [83.177.211.125] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003801c69e9b$79953960$0400000a@mini> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe totalrtt@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:13:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2006 08:13:04.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[D701E2E0:01C6A00A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:13:08 +0000 (UTC) unsubscribe >From: "Claude Voit" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: unsubscribe >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:23:21 +0200 > >yes Ron we know you are not alone with this problem. > >in 10 years I found 1077 matches in 1077 files. > >please enjoy some great unsusbcribe classics. > >but relax most of us never figured out how to do it; >so we kept getting all these mails or eventually switched the computer off >good luck > >Claude > >http://loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=unsubscribe&Search=Search&lineonly=on&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case > > > > > > >unsubscribe > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ >countries) for 2˘/min or less. > > _________________________________________________________________ Retrouvez tout en un clin d'oeil avec la barre d'outil MSN Search ! http://desktop.msn.fr/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 08:14:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B753BED5; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAKcRq0SBSohF Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:14:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential In-Reply-To: <20060705015147.5016C3BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060705015147.5016C3BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:14:43 +0000 (UTC) >Aaron is writing a software looper, and presumably wants to make >money selling it. Instead of supporting MIDI like practically every >other piece of music software in the world, he was going to build his >own custom footswitch that would only work with his software. > >Many, if not most, of the people that are going to be interested in >this looper don't want another friggin' footswitch. Not supporting >MIDI, at least as an option, is insane. with the standard "my2cents" disclaimer, and respect to Jeff:- The advantage is presumably that the footswitch works as a dongle, which is a useful consideration in profit terms. Doesn't that Korg Legacy thing rely on a similar principle? I could imagine that having a nice light small footswitch to work the looper, while using the laptop to set up FX & sounds would be most acceptable for a portable rig. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 10:50:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB9BF3BECC; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06cc01c6a020$d81f85e0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060705062230.38331.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 04:50:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:50:37 +0000 (UTC) I've missed this entire thread, but is there anyone doing any vocal looping with some serious jazz vocal technique? I mean, some really far out scatting (Ela style), vocalizing looping bass lines, comping changes, doing some of the great jazz standards, etc....I guess sort of like the stuff Bobby McFerrin has done with Chick Corea, etc...NOT "Don't Worry Be Happy"! :) I can only imagine what Dee Dee Bridgewater, Dinah Washington, Nancy Wilson, Mel Torme, Al Jarreau, Sarah Vaughan, Dianne Reeves, or Jonie Mitchell could have done (could do) with an EDP or Looperlative. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 12:27:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302E13BEDE; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c6a02e$63b71340$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060705062230.38331.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> <06cc01c6a020$d81f85e0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:27:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC) yes Michael Schiefel http://www.schiefel.de/ he uses 2 edp a tc voice processor and a small keyboard controler to trig the edps and the fx http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242995@N00/67095462/in/pool-13509629@N00/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242995@N00/67089277/in/pool-13509629@N00/ and he is faster that any shoe gazer guitar player Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) > I've missed this entire thread, but is there anyone doing any vocal > looping with some serious jazz vocal technique? I mean, some really far > out scatting (Ela style), vocalizing looping bass lines, comping changes, > doing some of the great jazz standards, etc....I guess sort of like the > stuff Bobby McFerrin has done with Chick Corea, etc...NOT "Don't Worry Be > Happy"! :) I can only imagine what Dee Dee Bridgewater, Dinah Washington, > Nancy Wilson, Mel Torme, Al Jarreau, Sarah Vaughan, Dianne Reeves, or > Jonie Mitchell could have done (could do) with an EDP or Looperlative. > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 12:45:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E26873BED8; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.242.82.227] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:44:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2006 12:45:02.0220 (UTC) FILETIME=[D52FECC0:01C6A030] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) How bout this: For those of us that already own midi controllers (including people who might want to control loops from a keyboard), I will make this program midi controller friendly. For anyone who doesn't already own a midi controller ... (aka joe average guitar player) there will be an optional USB device that will also work with the program (retailing at about the same price as the FCB1010, say). This device might include a few extra bells and whistles that the midi controller doesn't have, but nothing crucial (some effects controls). That seems like a copacetic situation, no? Since this thread is getting older .. I want to reiterate, that this is not something I hope to have working someday ... it's already out there (www.flyloops.com). There will be a downloadable beta version soon (once I get midi controllers working). >From: a k butler >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential >Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:14:47 +0100 > > >>Aaron is writing a software looper, and presumably wants to make >>money selling it. Instead of supporting MIDI like practically every >>other piece of music software in the world, he was going to build his >>own custom footswitch that would only work with his software. >> >>Many, if not most, of the people that are going to be interested in >>this looper don't want another friggin' footswitch. Not supporting >>MIDI, at least as an option, is insane. > >with the standard "my2cents" disclaimer, and respect to Jeff:- > >The advantage is presumably that the footswitch works as a dongle, >which is a useful consideration in profit terms. > >Doesn't that Korg Legacy thing rely on a similar principle? > >I could imagine that having a nice light small footswitch to work >the looper, while using the laptop to set up FX & sounds >would be most acceptable for a portable rig. > >andy butler > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 14:22:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8F593BED2; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.242.82.227] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:22:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2006 14:22:11.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[67D8DD40:01C6A03E] Resent-Message-ID: <0P7X6B.A.fYH.Vs8qEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:22:13 +0000 (UTC) PS - Thanks Kevin for the post on createdigitalmusic.com !!!! Made my day. >From: a k butler >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential >Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:14:47 +0100 > > >>Aaron is writing a software looper, and presumably wants to make >>money selling it. Instead of supporting MIDI like practically every >>other piece of music software in the world, he was going to build his >>own custom footswitch that would only work with his software. >> >>Many, if not most, of the people that are going to be interested in >>this looper don't want another friggin' footswitch. Not supporting >>MIDI, at least as an option, is insane. > >with the standard "my2cents" disclaimer, and respect to Jeff:- > >The advantage is presumably that the footswitch works as a dongle, >which is a useful consideration in profit terms. > >Doesn't that Korg Legacy thing rely on a similar principle? > >I could imagine that having a nice light small footswitch to work >the looper, while using the laptop to set up FX & sounds >would be most acceptable for a portable rig. > >andy butler > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 14:56:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 776193BEE0; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705075548.01a86aa0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:56:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:56:44 +0000 (UTC) At 07:22 AM 7/5/2006, you wrote: >PS - Thanks Kevin for the post on createdigitalmusic.com !!!! Made my day. My pleasure, Aaron. I hope this works for you. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14E6E3BEE7; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1tqzFEO1sCmbnDLuCCCg5cFWeObLZrMjRAtnZmYiIxUjeaHIn4qiadRvu4NDxNquVsg9DtkNFnDASFMRHwENu5z9NLWRTS7rhamwQEYzJwx4iNEZqDYSP7KWzxve3Rfn4aE8umy2YI5V7iDVmuxMuUvuvQFNW4v43qg2/MTNjf0= ; Message-ID: <20060705151020.53801.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:10:20 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-88098789-1152112220=:52347" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:10:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-88098789-1152112220=:52347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. Beats, basslines on the laptop and soundscapes in sync and without sync on the repeater. But still if my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my repeater the same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the sync. I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ? Any tips ? Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-88098789-1152112220=:52347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. Beats, basslines on the laptop and soundscapes in sync and without sync on the repeater. But still if my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my repeater the same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the sync.
 
I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ?
 
Any tips ?
 
Rune F     


www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-88098789-1152112220=:52347-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:14:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90D843BEF1; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:14:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:14:14 +0000 (UTC) At 05:44 AM 7/5/2006, Aaron wrote: >For anyone who doesn't already own a midi controller ... (aka joe >average guitar player) there will be an optional USB device that >will also work with the program (retailing at about the same price >as the FCB1010, say). This device might include a few extra bells >and whistles that the midi controller doesn't have, but nothing >crucial (some effects controls). I am ignorant about MIDI controllers so I'd like to ask the list: The average laptop doesn't have a midi port but it does have several USB ports. What do folks know about USB footswitches/controllers that have software drivers that can convert USB signal to MIDI messages in your standard laptop music programs (Ableton, Reaktor, etc.)? What do folks know about USB footswitches like the above that also have MIDI-in-out-through ports for controlling external devices based on signals sent from the laptop or from the footswitch? If nothing exists like this, then here's something that could sell thousands of units. Plug and play for the average guy. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:17:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC973BEF4; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44ABD7F5.5010305@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:17:09 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-1, 07/05/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:17:22 +0000 (UTC) I have an FCB1010 which only has MIDI in/out (no USB), and I use an Edirol USB/MIDI box to do connect to my computer. A quick google of USB MIDI will return several cheap solutions. --Josh Kevin wrote: > At 05:44 AM 7/5/2006, Aaron wrote: >> For anyone who doesn't already own a midi controller ... (aka joe >> average guitar player) there will be an optional USB device that will >> also work with the program (retailing at about the same price as the >> FCB1010, say). This device might include a few extra bells and >> whistles that the midi controller doesn't have, but nothing crucial >> (some effects controls). > > I am ignorant about MIDI controllers so I'd like to ask the list: > > The average laptop doesn't have a midi port but it does have several > USB ports. > > What do folks know about USB footswitches/controllers that have > software drivers that can convert USB signal to MIDI messages in your > standard laptop music programs (Ableton, Reaktor, etc.)? > > What do folks know about USB footswitches like the above that also > have MIDI-in-out-through ports for controlling external devices based > on signals sent from the laptop or from the footswitch? > > If nothing exists like this, then here's something that could sell > thousands of units. Plug and play for the average guy. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:24:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70C983BEF1; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705082023.01aa2bc0@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:24:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) In-Reply-To: <44ABD7F5.5010305@infinivert.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <44ABD7F5.5010305@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:24:15 +0000 (UTC) At 08:17 AM 7/5/2006, Josh wrote: >I have an FCB1010 which only has MIDI in/out (no USB), and I use an >Edirol USB/MIDI box to do connect to my computer. A quick google of >USB MIDI will return several cheap solutions. Yup, I saw that. I Googled before I asked the list but I didn't see anything with those specs. To which I will add another one: Powered by USB. No batteries, no wall wart. The value proposition is that it's all in one neat little package and the novice user doesn't have to configure, tweak or plug in anything except the footswitch. The little software driver and MIDI circuit on the footpedal is doing everything. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:27:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390C03BEDC; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:27:53 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 5th July 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <8im0K.A.PjC.-p9qEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 5th July 06 ============================= NAMSHUBOFENKI VS KIKI III / Meet in the valley (Creative Space) V.A. / NOISE.IL (Topheth Prophet) hhtp portablepalace / Cavitation (Monochrome Vision) Exalot / Analogue Flowers (Faria Records) V.A. / The Nature of Systems (Carbon Records) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:31:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 276A83BEF7; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44ABDB42.6010208@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:31:14 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <44ABD7F5.5010305@infinivert.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060705082023.01aa2bc0@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705082023.01aa2bc0@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080806040402050002020608" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-1, 07/05/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:31:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080806040402050002020608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now /that/ would be something worth buying. If it was as sturdy and flexible as the FCB1010 (but perhaps easier to program and packaged with better documentation), had MIDI i/o + USB with the possibility of being bus powered... that would be a unit worth purchasing. --Josh Kevin wrote: > At 08:17 AM 7/5/2006, Josh wrote: >> I have an FCB1010 which only has MIDI in/out (no USB), and I use an >> Edirol USB/MIDI box to do connect to my computer. A quick google of >> USB MIDI will return several cheap solutions. > > Yup, I saw that. I Googled before I asked the list but I didn't see > anything with those specs. To which I will add another one: > > Powered by USB. No batteries, no wall wart. > > The value proposition is that it's all in one neat little package and > the novice user doesn't have to configure, tweak or plug in anything > except the footswitch. The little software driver and MIDI circuit on > the footpedal is doing everything. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > > > --------------080806040402050002020608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that would be something worth buying.  If it was as sturdy and flexible as the FCB1010 (but perhaps easier to program and packaged with better documentation), had MIDI i/o + USB with the possibility of being bus powered... that would be a unit worth purchasing.

--Josh



Kevin wrote:
At 08:17 AM 7/5/2006, Josh wrote:
I have an FCB1010 which only has MIDI in/out (no USB), and I use an Edirol USB/MIDI box to do connect to my computer.  A quick google of USB MIDI will return several cheap solutions.

Yup, I saw that.   I Googled before I asked the list but I didn't see anything with those specs. To which I will add another one:

Powered by USB.  No batteries, no wall wart.

The value proposition is that it's all in one neat little package and the novice user doesn't have to configure, tweak or plug in anything except the footswitch.  The little software driver and MIDI circuit on the footpedal is doing everything.

Cheers,
Kevin

The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music
www.TheNettles.com




--------------080806040402050002020608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:42:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF7E93BEE1; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:42:34 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB567@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) Thread-Index: AcagRa2WtQAKZi5cS6yUlnk+DQCldAAA0ruA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:42:31 +0000 (UTC) > From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com]=20 >=20 > What do folks know about USB footswitches/controllers that have=20 > software drivers that can convert USB signal to MIDI messages in your=20 > standard laptop music programs (Ableton, Reaktor, etc.)? That is what I suggested in my first response to Aaron. There are none AFAIK, and this would be very attractive to a lot of computer-based musicians. I would buy one in a heartbeat, and I'll bet you will make way more money on that than you will selling software loopers. Just make it so that both the down and up transitions of the switches can emit arbitrary strings of MIDI messages, including Sysex. Combined with MIDI Yoke and a cheap USB MIDI interface, you will have the most powerful MIDI footswitch in the world. Actually, thinking more about this, even if all the footswitch does is send keyboard events, it could still be used with any application that can be controlled with keys. Hmm :-) Build it dude! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 15:47:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54F483BEF0; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705082023.01aa2bc0@TheNettles.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705090356.01a941a0@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <44ABD7F5.5010305@infinivert.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060705082023.01aa2bc0@TheNettles.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:46:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:47:20 +0000 (UTC) On the other hand, why re-invent the wheel? If you use a computer for any other form of recording, you likely have an audio interface, and chances are very good, particularly in a laptop interface, that this includes some sort of MIDI functionality as well. >At 08:17 AM 7/5/2006, Josh wrote: >>I have an FCB1010 which only has MIDI in/out (no USB), and I use an >>Edirol USB/MIDI box to do connect to my computer. A quick google >>of USB MIDI will return several cheap solutions. > >Yup, I saw that. I Googled before I asked the list but I didn't >see anything with those specs. To which I will add another one: > >Powered by USB. No batteries, no wall wart. > >The value proposition is that it's all in one neat little package >and the novice user doesn't have to configure, tweak or plug in >anything except the footswitch. The little software driver and MIDI >circuit on the footpedal is doing everything. > >Cheers, >Kevin > >The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music >www.TheNettles.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 16:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DE0D3BEDE; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Kvuz7TH8aiouz8ksrmJFDe0X2J/cWS0oOfF+/vD1Lj6Auz1uLF9PFsmNqUmTQ3Zp; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006735164424870@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vocal looping Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:44:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94030ed360f21ebf54086463af92e6fde7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:40:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Vocal looping? Dreamchild. www.dreamchildmusic.com ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Reynolds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/4/2006 3:30:11 PM Subject: Re: vocal looping And theo bleckmann http://theobleckmann.com On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" wrote: For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already. http://www.kidbeyond.com/ --Josh JoJo Razor wrote: Hi I am new, just joined. Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just interested in pushing the boundaries a bit. Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can send me to. JoJo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Re: vocal looping
Vocal looping? Dreamchild. www.dreamchildmusic.com
~Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/4/2006 3:30:11 PM
Subject: Re: vocal looping

And theo bleckmann
http://theobleckmann.com


On 7/4/06 3:27 PM, "Joshua Carroll" <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
For vocal looping, you should definitely check out Kid Beyond if you haven't already.

http://www.kidbeyond.com/

--Josh



JoJo Razor wrote:
Hi I am new, just joined.
Is anyone doing vocal looping here? I have a small
trio with two looping machines, nothing fancy. Just
interested in pushing the boundaries a bit.
Thanks for any info you have or any websites you can
send me to.
JoJo



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“Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter

“Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
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Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
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http://www.toddreynolds.com


todd@toddreynolds.com
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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 16:42:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CCE63BEE6; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bPTMUjOb556hzuoqPmivPi/IXG8RvNttdK2E/1cukhmferViK4s/qSHyz1/ULW/d; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200673516467310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:46:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940db920d3af9202988a0b50f33b202491f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.109 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for clearing that up, Kris. What is the deadline? I do not want others to suffer for my slothful ways ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Krispen Hartung > To: > Date: 7/4/2006 11:32:09 PM > Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > > 30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what you do in that space > with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a larger piece if you > like, or just record it that way. Consider it a "thumbnail" depiction of > your looping personality. :) It should be a good test of our ability to > articulate what we are as loopers in 30 sec...a fun challenge. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > > > > How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? I'm not 100% clear > > whether we're talking about loop length or the length of the piece. Sorry > > for being so dense ;-) > > > > ~Tim > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: L.A. Angulo > >> To: > >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > >> > >> Hi Josh, > >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my > >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra > >> touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also > >> slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it > >> sounds so obvious;-) > >> cheers > >> Luis > >> > >> --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> > >> > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you > >> > using? > >> > > >> > --Josh > >> > > >> > L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> > > Hi krispen, > >> > > Here is mine composed of 4 different > >> > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it > >> > > repeats itself(ups) > >> > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill > >> > donate > >> > > it to the LD comunity > >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > >> > > cheers > >> > > Luis > >> > > > >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > > > >> > > __________________________________________________ > >> > > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> > protection around > >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 16:51:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1FD3BECD; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:53:32 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705082023.01aa2bc0@TheNettles.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c6a053$8cbb6960$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Don't know if this is relevant, as I've been doing the "fast skim", but... If you want to sell *me* another footcontroller, it'd better have an LED or other display over each switch that can be set to whatever value I want from the computer, and an open SDK to let me do so. Do that, and put in enough (10-12) switches for, say $300 or less, and I'm there. Best wishes, Warren Sirota warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 17:00:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED41C3BEE8; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB567@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB567@keel.sailpoint.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Additional key value proposition are drivers and software that allow user to hook up with common apps right out of the box. Like the presets in a digital multieffects pedal. For example, you have your "Kid Beyond Ableton" preset (called "Able Children" to avoid licensing problems) that allows you to easily beatbox with Ableton Live without a lot of tapdancing on the custom pedal. But you also provide software to copy, clone and tweak the preset for the advanced users. Now you have a revenue model that has a good front-end load (initial sale of pedal and "lite" version of the tweaker software) combined with a nice long tail (paid upgrades for software to support new versions of software and new sets of presets). Alternatively, you use the Web 2.0 model and form a consumer community around your product which provides free hacks and new presets on an online forum. Or you do both. Then you branch into alternate controllers. For example a controller with trigger pads or buttons that you can mount on your guitar on the lower bout without marring. So you can trigger by finger taps or with the side of your hand. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com Jeff wrote: > Kevin wrote: >> What do folks know about USB footswitches/controllers that have >> software drivers that can convert USB signal to MIDI messages in your >> standard laptop music programs (Ableton, Reaktor, etc.)? > > That is what I suggested in my first response to Aaron. There are > none AFAIK, and this would be very attractive to a lot of > computer-based musicians. I would buy one in a heartbeat, and I'll > bet you will make way more money on that than you will selling > software loopers. > > Actually, thinking more about this, even if all the footswitch > does is send keyboard events, it could still be used with any > application that can be controlled with keys. Hmm :-) > Build it dude! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 17:01:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B60EF3BEF1; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44ABF050.6010600@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:01:04 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) References: <000601c6a053$8cbb6960$0302a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <000601c6a053$8cbb6960$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-1, 07/05/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) I agree. It would be awfully handy if my FCB1010 had a little display over each button that could say "REC" or "OD" or whatever, especially if it would change for each of the 99 patches! --Josh Warren Sirota wrote: > Don't know if this is relevant, as I've been doing the "fast skim", but... > > If you want to sell *me* another footcontroller, it'd better have an LED or > other display over each switch that can be set to whatever value I want from > the computer, and an open SDK to let me do so. Do that, and put in enough > (10-12) switches for, say $300 or less, and I'm there. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > warrensirota.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 17:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ACE23BEE2; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44ABF0DB.1020606@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:03:23 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB567@keel.sailpoint.com> <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-1, 07/05/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:03:37 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to have this anyway: johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Then you branch into alternate controllers. For example a controller with > trigger pads or buttons that you can mount on your guitar on the lower bout > without marring. So you can trigger by finger taps or with the side of your > hand. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 17:09:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E8A3BECF; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <073a01c6a055$ba3e7ec0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <410-2200673516467310@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:09:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:09:12 +0000 (UTC) I guess the deadline is the actual aniversary date....that's the goal at least. It doesn't matter to me. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > Thanks for clearing that up, Kris. > What is the deadline? I do not want others to suffer for my slothful ways > ;-) > ~Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Krispen Hartung >> To: >> Date: 7/4/2006 11:32:09 PM >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions >> >> 30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what you do in that space >> with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a larger piece if > you >> like, or just record it that way. Consider it a "thumbnail" depiction of >> your looping personality. :) It should be a good test of our ability to >> articulate what we are as loopers in 30 sec...a fun challenge. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Timothy Mungenast" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions >> >> >> > How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? I'm not 100% clear >> > whether we're talking about loop length or the length of the piece. > Sorry >> > for being so dense ;-) >> > >> > ~Tim >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: L.A. Angulo >> >> To: >> >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM >> >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions >> >> >> >> Hi Josh, >> >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my >> >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra >> >> touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also >> >> slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it >> >> sounds so obvious;-) >> >> cheers >> >> Luis >> >> >> >> --- Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >> >> >> > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you >> >> > using? >> >> > >> >> > --Josh >> >> > >> >> > L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >> > > Hi krispen, >> >> > > Here is mine composed of 4 different >> >> > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it >> >> > > repeats itself(ups) >> >> > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill >> >> > donate >> >> > > it to the LD comunity >> >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm >> >> > > cheers >> >> > > Luis >> >> > > >> >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> > > >> >> > > __________________________________________________ >> >> > > Do You Yahoo!? >> >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> >> > protection around >> >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> Do You Yahoo!? >> >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 17:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7475C3BEE2; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <075301c6a058$3aa843f0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060705062230.38331.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> <06cc01c6a020$d81f85e0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004401c6a02e$63b71340$0401a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:27:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <6xEXR.A.eNB.qZ_qEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:27:06 +0000 (UTC) I love Blaueaugen and City Cut, and Jen (good scatting there). Great voice....almost trans-sexual or asexual at times (not sure what term to use), which is intriguing. In jazz, there are a lot of female vocalists with tremendous ranges, starting quite low and tenor in sound, so he the ability to cover that sound to some extent. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) > yes > > Michael Schiefel > > http://www.schiefel.de/ > > he uses 2 edp a tc voice processor and a small keyboard controler to trig > the edps and the fx > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242995@N00/67095462/in/pool-13509629@N00/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242995@N00/67089277/in/pool-13509629@N00/ > and he is faster that any shoe gazer guitar player > > Claude > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) > > >> I've missed this entire thread, but is there anyone doing any vocal >> looping with some serious jazz vocal technique? I mean, some really far >> out scatting (Ela style), vocalizing looping bass lines, comping changes, >> doing some of the great jazz standards, etc....I guess sort of like the >> stuff Bobby McFerrin has done with Chick Corea, etc...NOT "Don't Worry Be >> Happy"! :) I can only imagine what Dee Dee Bridgewater, Dinah Washington, >> Nancy Wilson, Mel Torme, Al Jarreau, Sarah Vaughan, Dianne Reeves, or >> Jonie Mitchell could have done (could do) with an EDP or Looperlative. >> >> Kris >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 18:01:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 214CF3BEE1; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:mime-version:content-type; b=Sa+AOXux1+BsN13iq+zfSzCJUwrxODnJ7ZxW7u4vo6Tc+Po2/pVYvZ/8ql1wnegoUMjzPPqw5Py5eup7zB1Pbo+kk/DP1Fxd3rPCcevKG2ytncZGZHoynN2f+EDRFN8GMsuFKHf4ZGsJKwmD64AbgKBPu4566YkiKHnftM8N5w8= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:00:52 -0400 Subject: OT I just know someone here has the answer to this one. re: replacing quarter inch assemblies on circuit boards From: Todd Reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OT I just know someone here has the answer to this one. re: replacing quarter inch assemblies on circuit boards Thread-Index: AcagXPQiMuEKdwxQEduf2wAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3234952855_7026505" Resent-Message-ID: <3OgPK.A.CPC.b5_qEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:01:00 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3234952855_7026505 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey all...=20 Can you give me either some websites, forums, or hints on replacing quarter inch plug assemblies on cheap instruments? I have an omnichord which I need to replace the quarter inch assembly on... It=B9s attached to a circuit board of course, and having no real electronics experience, this is a new one for me. I=B9d like to disconnect this and replace it with a new one. Thanks so much in advance, Todd --B_3234952855_7026505 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OT  I just know someone here has the answer to this one.  = re: replacing quarter inch assemblies on circuit boards Hey all...

Can you give me either some websites, forums, or hints on replacing quarter= inch plug assemblies on cheap instruments?

I have an omnichord which I need to replace the quarter inch assembly on...= It’s attached to a circuit board of course, and having no real electr= onics experience, this is a new one for me.  I’d like to disconne= ct this and replace it with a new one.  

Thanks so much in advance,

Todd


 --B_3234952855_7026505-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 20:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D80DE3BED2; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:46:19 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: VST Host & Effects on PDA In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001501c6a074$1395c230$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_ZIW6C.A.PKH.fSCrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:44:15 +0000 (UTC) How much memory can those little suckers take? What kind of clock rates do they run? Do they have USB ports? Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: VST Host & Effects on PDA > > > At 2:06 PM +0200 7/4/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > I remember seeing a blurb on a mini-Ableton clone in one > >> of my synth magazines last year. > > > >Actually, if there is a "mini-looper" for PocketPC - it would be > >really awesome!! > >Not for anything series for me, but I'd like to jam with myself or > >work on some ideas while travelling. > > > >So, is there a simple "pocket looper" you know of? > > Well, I found the back issue to which I was referring (Dec. 2005 > issue of Keyboard. I should have just done a search online for the > article in the first place: > http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=30&storycode=12175 ). > > The software is Bhajis Loops ( http://www.chocopoolp.com ). > Unfortunately, it's not as cool as I remember it (but then again, > what ever is?). It does seem to be an homage to Ableton Live, but on > Palm OS. There are two serious shortcomings, however. First and > foremost, it does not seem to accept live input. You have to either > record or input .WAV's separately before working with them. Second, > and contrary to my first impression, it will *not* act as a VST host. > However, it includes almost 20 native effects on its own, so you can > already do a lot with what's there. And of course it's pretty fully > functional otherwise, especially with the pattern and wave editors. > > Otherwise, I spent a nice chunk of time looking around for something > on Win CE or Palm that would work with VST's. No luck yet. I did > find a few neat things for tweezing backing tracks (i.e. drum and > bass accompaniments). For instance, at the aforementioned Chocopoolp > site, there's a little widget called Microbe that allows you to > manipulate 8 drum tracks and 2 synths. There are quite a few > Trackers ported over to either Palm or Win CE too. > > And if you are indeed interested in dropping your rhythm section in > your pocket, this would also be a good time to throw in a plug for > PSP Rhythm ( http://www.psprhythm.com ) and PSP Kick ( > http://www.pspkick.com ) -- both for the Sony PSP. PSP Rhythm is > particularly nice, IMNSHO, because it attempts to model some of its > functions from the Elektron Machinedrum SPS-1. Both are pretty neat, > however, and the PSP platform is excellent for these sorts of > homebrew music apps. I'm waiting for someone to finally work out the > kinks for live input, then the PSP would really be a viable > alternative for music softs. Oh, and it's a really, really kewl game > and movie machine too, for when you're stuck in the bus/plane > travelling to the next gig. :D > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have > been happy." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 20:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 089D13BEDD; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4h5vG4y1kWIgdmp0xNT6Z11KMzsJxNqgofPE90vAW6Ws5QvTjX89FBozz2Azjw37Nd3PKBlAi0AbNCOuGOXr30o3QDOHXPGjtWXPW3Kg7BdSVHz35g3D34SR6EVbLRrh7fryuc68BUFWZ5rA6ubfgD/tGp7VXR+6Hk4RNtycOEU= ; Message-ID: <20060705204415.83960.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44ABF050.6010600@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <64GzyC.A.nNH.gSCrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Mine does! All it took was a sharpie and some gray electrical tape. (can only fit about 3 patches if I squeeze...) --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > I agree. It would be awfully handy if my FCB1010 > had a little display > over each button that could say "REC" or "OD" or > whatever, especially if > it would change for each of the 99 patches! > > --Josh > > > > Warren Sirota wrote: > > Don't know if this is relevant, as I've been doing > the "fast skim", but... > > > > If you want to sell *me* another footcontroller, > it'd better have an LED or > > other display over each switch that can be set to > whatever value I want from > > the computer, and an open SDK to let me do so. Do > that, and put in enough > > (10-12) switches for, say $300 or less, and I'm > there. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > warrensirota.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 20:48:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40A323BED6; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5hevzG4BXtcMmqewhXXPIvwSspvPMVk0u0SghS2iFT0GjzSHtR9u0VU1hGCGpF0pH/v5i8dRJKar5Zrgs+ct20vkGeROSni5EiSnD4Ut3gv/6PHcswgYSNgVCAMx0o2ojBjuNXZAWBUZCk7BY5AlzuFM3aty3dYmIjrIoO4Vw5U= ; Message-ID: <20060705204855.61013.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:48:58 +0000 (UTC) http://monome.org/ > > Kevin wrote: > >> What do folks know about USB > footswitches/controllers that have > >> software drivers that can convert USB signal to > MIDI messages in your > >> standard laptop music programs (Ableton, Reaktor, > etc.)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 20:56:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 787083BEDD; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44AC2760.4080305@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:56:00 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) References: <20060705204415.83960.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060705204415.83960.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000406030007010103050301" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-1, 07/05/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:56:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000406030007010103050301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha! I'm doing the same thing with blue painter's tape! --Josh mark sottilaro wrote: > Mine does! All it took was a sharpie and some gray > electrical tape. (can only fit about 3 patches if I > squeeze...) > > --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > > >> I agree. It would be awfully handy if my FCB1010 >> had a little display >> over each button that could say "REC" or "OD" or >> whatever, especially if >> it would change for each of the 99 patches! >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> Warren Sirota wrote: >> >>> Don't know if this is relevant, as I've been doing >>> >> the "fast skim", but... >> >>> If you want to sell *me* another footcontroller, >>> >> it'd better have an LED or >> >>> other display over each switch that can be set to >>> >> whatever value I want from >> >>> the computer, and an open SDK to let me do so. Do >>> >> that, and put in enough >> >>> (10-12) switches for, say $300 or less, and I'm >>> >> there. >> >>> Best wishes, >>> Warren Sirota >>> warrensirota.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------000406030007010103050301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha!  I'm doing the same thing with blue painter's tape!

--Josh



mark sottilaro wrote: 
Mine does!  All it took was a sharpie and some gray
electrical tape. (can only fit about 3 patches if I
squeeze...)

--- Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:

  
I agree.  It would be awfully handy if my FCB1010
had a little display 
over each button that could say "REC" or "OD" or
whatever, especially if 
it would change for each of the 99 patches!

--Josh



Warren Sirota wrote:
    
Don't know if this is relevant, as I've been doing
      
the "fast skim", but...
    
If you want to sell *me* another footcontroller,
      
it'd better have an LED or
    
other display over each switch that can be set to
      
whatever value I want from
    
the computer, and an open SDK to let me do so. Do
      
that, and put in enough
    
(10-12) switches for, say $300 or less, and I'm
      
there.
    
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
warrensirota.com




  
      
    


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--------------000406030007010103050301-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C153BEF0; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07ce01c6a076$21861be0$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001501c6a074$1395c230$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: VST Host & Effects on PDA Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:01:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:01:08 +0000 (UTC) My iPaq HQ4705 has the features below, but I also bought a 1gig sdram card for it for more storage The only problem is that it does not have an input for audio, only output. It does have a connection for hooking up to my cradle or USB to sync, transfer files, etc, via USB. It is possible that a program could use that as a way to transfer audio input. I think some other PDAs out there may have at least a mic input....not sure. Kris a.. WLAN 802.11b, Bluetooth 1.2, IrDA (FIR), USB and Serial b.. Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition software for Pocket PC c.. 624 MHz Intel Bulverde technology-based processor d.. 192 MB total memory (128 MB ROM and 64 MB SDRAM) e.. 4" Transflective type VGA TFT color, 64K colors, LED backlight ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: RE: VST Host & Effects on PDA > How much memory can those little suckers take? What kind of clock rates do > they run? Do they have USB ports? > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:08 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: VST Host & Effects on PDA >> >> >> At 2:06 PM +0200 7/4/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> > > I remember seeing a blurb on a mini-Ableton clone in one >> >> of my synth magazines last year. >> > >> >Actually, if there is a "mini-looper" for PocketPC - it would be >> >really awesome!! >> >Not for anything series for me, but I'd like to jam with myself or >> >work on some ideas while travelling. >> > >> >So, is there a simple "pocket looper" you know of? >> >> Well, I found the back issue to which I was referring (Dec. 2005 >> issue of Keyboard. I should have just done a search online for the >> article in the first place: >> http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=30&storycode=12175 ). >> >> The software is Bhajis Loops ( http://www.chocopoolp.com ). >> Unfortunately, it's not as cool as I remember it (but then again, >> what ever is?). It does seem to be an homage to Ableton Live, but on >> Palm OS. There are two serious shortcomings, however. First and >> foremost, it does not seem to accept live input. You have to either >> record or input .WAV's separately before working with them. Second, >> and contrary to my first impression, it will *not* act as a VST host. >> However, it includes almost 20 native effects on its own, so you can >> already do a lot with what's there. And of course it's pretty fully >> functional otherwise, especially with the pattern and wave editors. >> >> Otherwise, I spent a nice chunk of time looking around for something >> on Win CE or Palm that would work with VST's. No luck yet. I did >> find a few neat things for tweezing backing tracks (i.e. drum and >> bass accompaniments). For instance, at the aforementioned Chocopoolp >> site, there's a little widget called Microbe that allows you to >> manipulate 8 drum tracks and 2 synths. There are quite a few >> Trackers ported over to either Palm or Win CE too. >> >> And if you are indeed interested in dropping your rhythm section in >> your pocket, this would also be a good time to throw in a plug for >> PSP Rhythm ( http://www.psprhythm.com ) and PSP Kick ( >> http://www.pspkick.com ) -- both for the Sony PSP. PSP Rhythm is >> particularly nice, IMNSHO, because it attempts to model some of its >> functions from the Elektron Machinedrum SPS-1. Both are pretty neat, >> however, and the PSP platform is excellent for these sorts of >> homebrew music apps. I'm waiting for someone to finally work out the >> kinks for live input, then the PSP would really be a viable >> alternative for music softs. Oh, and it's a really, really kewl game >> and movie machine too, for when you're stuck in the bus/plane >> travelling to the next gig. :D >> >> --m. >> -- >> _______ >> "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have >> been happy." >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:09:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61FB83BEEC; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 4.5 X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 423724589 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93D7@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT I just know someone here has the answer to this one. re: replacing quarter inch assemblies on circuit boards Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:09:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A076.81B144C2" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:09:51 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A076.81B144C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Can you give me either some websites, forums, or hints on replacing quarter inch plug assemblies on cheap instruments? I have an omnichord which I need to replace the quarter inch assembly on... It's attached to a circuit board of course << far better than trying to see how it's done from murky jpeggery on some website would be to find a local tech who will show you how to solder. it's not hard, & being able to rewire your own guitar pickup switching is one bonus. you will need a small (25W) soldering iron. use common sense when selecting the tip size- it will have to be able to melt solder even when a lot of the heat is being conducted away by large areas of tinned copper (i.e. the contacts on y'r jack socket, the shielding on the circuit board) but not overheat delicate components, especially these days when many components are of the surface mount variety. you should also investigate desoldering pumps or braid. opinions vary. a magnifying lamp & one of those "third-hand" gizmos.... I use 22-gauge solder for most jobs.... it's getting harder to find because it has lead in it. but find someone to teach you. you'll pick up a lot more that way (no pun intended). duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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far better than= trying to=20 see how it's done from murky jpeggery on some website would be to find a lo= cal=20 tech who will show you how to solder.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A076.81B144C2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874163BEE7; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RYipfxGhokO+mqg8519jKiwi3wVLFz8TYJSuUEedh0NxoEbOfWudCNR2PM7T23u766yLtApr+bWtwb9cE7JwJswlZve53kkzDhii4n5kMDR1hJvcfp47egh1HL2GqiYpDE4JQ/JhTJFpVTcOPZf6S6vyNY7F+FQnMFwq94VPMlo= ; Message-ID: <20060705211212.23400.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060705151020.53801.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:12:14 +0000 (UTC) I'll try to answer your question although there seems to be a language issue and I'm not sure if I totally understand it. Here's what I do know: The Repeater's MIDI clock out blows. Sucks. Even other devices made by Electrix don't sync well to it. I'd lable that more or less worthless. However, many DAWs, VSTi's and virutal loopers like Mobius accept and produce sync that's useable. I'd use those as the Master and the Repeater as the Slave. If there's one thing the Repeater does better than anything out there is slave to a MIDI clock. Make sure the sync is not set to anything other than "MIDI" on the Repeater. You'll see the LED will stop blinking when it gets a clock signal. If it's not getting one, you have an issue that the apps on your laptop aren't spitting it out. Since I have no idea what you're using I can't give you any advice on them except check in the "setup" or "config" menu for clock out settings and make sure you choose your midi interface. Hope this helps. Mark (not a "prof") Sottilaro --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. > Beats, basslines on the laptop and soundscapes in > sync and without sync on the repeater. But still if > my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my repeater the > same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the > sync. > > I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ? > > Any tips ? > > Rune F > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:26:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4B23BEDC; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PZnzj89mpVKABIOlQauCQmjfKoLow6iLfbw5zxHuB/K6ToKN7kDcXDW+B4pvn4I/nmxFUokEDtwNiPw2BVxQajLSqEhBsrERCfvpddpbrEi6i5FwT+VKZu+DX32yRSGp+sXme92cx+R2ZJ1Lr2NomG3bQYZ25xXMvOT0jlpe57w= ; Message-ID: <20060705212558.85088.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:26:00 +0000 (UTC) --- aaron leese wrote: > > > >Doesn't that Korg Legacy thing rely on a similar > principle? I'm looking into replacing my hardware Wavestation with the Legacy collection and the included controller isn't (thank god) a dongle. It's just a controller. Which actually kind of makes me angry and has made me look to other WS style solutions in software synths. (http://www.concretefx.com/Vectrik.htm) Frankly, I just don't want to pay for a controller I don't want, or will ever use, just go get software. They don't sell the software seperately. Why, I have no idea. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:27:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DF353BEFB; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) In-Reply-To: <44ABF0DB.1020606@infinivert.com> Message-ID: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB567@keel.sailpoint.com> <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <44ABF0DB.1020606@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:27:34 +0000 (UTC) > johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> Then you branch into alternate controllers. For example a controller with >> trigger pads or buttons that you can mount on your guitar on the lower bout >> without marring. So you can trigger by finger taps or with the side of >> your >> hand. Not short enough to mount on the lower bout of a guitar, but have you looked at the jambass strip as a possible solution? http://jambass.com/ Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:32:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF70F3BEDE; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aK0WRsbByOf96Uw4jQIVjBFWjnfeFGYl/FnP7rfSua6Ih1Z9su2LvUFjSvf2aNomCUA1F+K8TLiIxawe3bGDr3dqw0ZpJM9FglGEtj/qbUNGR2/3rfYRvlB/d4Rc8sK2rOQBeh+tkRtdH/zJcFTrLMtHNsjKSPDeKye6EoMjdc0= ; Message-ID: <20060705213248.30714.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:32:50 +0000 (UTC) I'd say that's an excellent strategy. As much as I rely on my FCB1010, I don't love it, and I moved to a floor guitar effects processor/amp modeler because it gave me a degree of control and feedback that no MIDI controller would/could. If there was a compelling reason for the controller, I bet people would buy it, but make sure it's an option. (See my comments about the Korg Legacy collection controller) I can't wait to check your software. I know it's not even in beta yet but can you give use an idea of it's feature set? Mark --- aaron leese wrote: > How bout this: > > For those of us that already own midi controllers > (including people who > might want to control loops from a keyboard), I will > make this program midi > controller friendly. > > For anyone who doesn't already own a midi controller > ... (aka joe average > guitar player) there will be an optional USB device > that will also work with > the program (retailing at about the same price as > the FCB1010, say). This > device might include a few extra bells and whistles > that the midi controller > doesn't have, but nothing crucial (some effects > controls). > > That seems like a copacetic situation, no? > > Since this thread is getting older .. I want to > reiterate, that this is not > something I hope to have working someday ... it's > already out there > (www.flyloops.com). There will be a downloadable > beta version soon (once I > get midi controllers working). > > > > > > > > > > >From: a k butler > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re:Re: FlyLooper & market potential > >Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:14:47 +0100 > > > > > >>Aaron is writing a software looper, and presumably > wants to make > >>money selling it. Instead of supporting MIDI like > practically every > >>other piece of music software in the world, he was > going to build his > >>own custom footswitch that would only work with > his software. > >> > >>Many, if not most, of the people that are going to > be interested in > >>this looper don't want another friggin' > footswitch. Not supporting > >>MIDI, at least as an option, is insane. > > > >with the standard "my2cents" disclaimer, and > respect to Jeff:- > > > >The advantage is presumably that the footswitch > works as a dongle, > >which is a useful consideration in profit terms. > > > >Doesn't that Korg Legacy thing rely on a similar > principle? > > > >I could imagine that having a nice light small > footswitch to work > >the looper, while using the laptop to set up FX & > sounds > >would be most acceptable for a portable rig. > > > >andy butler > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ďż˝ get > it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:50:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 508A43BECF; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nO8Oonc485FpdTXWjHKN9NA8SMZc9Gdi/Cy4q5NAweN+iwaWfyNw57eCTmcc4+RN6HTicTaf7/NrntLDB//ANKOe0B8uF5bDsIcJkvPr0IUqKtZDwWwbtfstc/M1yG40MA/2R/EAmUfsItGMu+70VHxdiKtFq4CNsFgAp93eXeY= ; Message-ID: <20060705215010.55039.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:50:10 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060705211212.23400.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-528659775-1152136210=:54303" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:50:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-528659775-1152136210=:54303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks ! What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters bmp with the same bmp as the ableton-software, and then loop along with the laptop, but they drift apart after some time. havent tryied midi jet. but I will look into it. but I still think its strange that they drift apart. Rune f mark sottilaro skrev: I'll try to answer your question although there seems to be a language issue and I'm not sure if I totally understand it. Here's what I do know: The Repeater's MIDI clock out blows. Sucks. Even other devices made by Electrix don't sync well to it. I'd lable that more or less worthless. However, many DAWs, VSTi's and virutal loopers like Mobius accept and produce sync that's useable. I'd use those as the Master and the Repeater as the Slave. If there's one thing the Repeater does better than anything out there is slave to a MIDI clock. Make sure the sync is not set to anything other than "MIDI" on the Repeater. You'll see the LED will stop blinking when it gets a clock signal. If it's not getting one, you have an issue that the apps on your laptop aren't spitting it out. Since I have no idea what you're using I can't give you any advice on them except check in the "setup" or "config" menu for clock out settings and make sure you choose your midi interface. Hope this helps. Mark (not a "prof") Sottilaro --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. > Beats, basslines on the laptop and soundscapes in > sync and without sync on the repeater. But still if > my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my repeater the > same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the > sync. > > I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ? > > Any tips ? > > Rune F > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-528659775-1152136210=:54303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks !
 
What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters bmp with the same bmp as the ableton-software, and then loop along with the laptop, but they drift apart after some time.
 
havent tryied midi jet. but I will look into it.
 
but I still think its strange that they drift apart.
 
Rune f      

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> skrev:
I'll try to answer your question although there seems
to be a language issue and I'm not sure if I totally
understand it.

Here's what I do know: The Repeater's MIDI clock out
blows. Sucks. Even other devices made by Electrix
don't sync well to it. I'd lable that more or less
worthless.

However, many DAWs, VSTi's and virutal loopers like
Mobius accept and produce sync that's useable. I'd
use those as the Master and the Repeater as the Slave.
If there's one thing the Repeater does better than
anything out there is slave to a MIDI clock. Make
sure the sync is not set to anything other than "MIDI"
on the Repeater. You'll see the LED will stop
blinking when it gets a clock signal. If it's not
getting one, you have an issue that the apps on your
laptop aren't spitting it out. Since I have no idea
what you're using I can't give you any advice on them
except check in the "setup" or "config" menu for clock
out settings and make sure you choose your midi
interface.

Hope this helps.

Mark (not a "prof") Sottilaro

--- rune fagereng wrote:

> Hi !
>
> I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater.
> Beats, basslines on the laptop and soundscapes in
> sync and without sync on the repeater. But still if
> my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my repeater the
> same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the
> sync.
>
> I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ?
>
> Any tips ?
>
> Rune F
>
>
> www.runefagereng.com
> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
> Mob: 917 95 867


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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-528659775-1152136210=:54303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:52:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422433BEEC; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:55:09 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) In-reply-to: <44AC2760.4080305@infinivert.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c6a07d$af3c5240$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rtXu5nNskJsWA6zwYJjf9Q)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:52:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_rtXu5nNskJsWA6zwYJjf9Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ditto. except that, because I use 3 banks of buttons, I've got 3 labels next to each pedal. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) Ha! I'm doing the same thing with blue painter's tape! --Josh mark sottilaro wrote: Mine does! All it took was a sharpie and some gray electrical tape. (can only fit about 3 patches if I squeeze...) --- Joshua Carroll wrote: I agree. It would be awfully handy if my FCB1010 had a little display over each button that could say "REC" or "OD" or whatever, especially if it would change for each of the 99 patches! --Josh Warren Sirota wrote: Don't know if this is relevant, as I've been doing the "fast skim", but... If you want to sell *me* another footcontroller, it'd better have an LED or other display over each switch that can be set to whatever value I want from the computer, and an open SDK to let me do so. Do that, and put in enough (10-12) switches for, say $300 or less, and I'm there. Best wishes, Warren Sirota warrensirota.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_rtXu5nNskJsWA6zwYJjf9Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
ditto. except that, because I use 3 banks of buttons, I've got 3 labels next to each pedal.
 
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:56 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential)

Ha!  I'm doing the same thing with blue painter's tape!

--Josh



mark sottilaro wrote: 
Mine does!  All it took was a sharpie and some gray
electrical tape. (can only fit about 3 patches if I
squeeze...)

--- Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:

  
I agree.  It would be awfully handy if my FCB1010
had a little display 
over each button that could say "REC" or "OD" or
whatever, especially if 
it would change for each of the 99 patches!

--Josh



Warren Sirota wrote:
    
Don't know if this is relevant, as I've been doing
      
the "fast skim", but...
    
If you want to sell *me* another footcontroller,
      
it'd better have an LED or
    
other display over each switch that can be set to
      
whatever value I want from
    
the computer, and an open SDK to let me do so. Do
      
that, and put in enough
    
(10-12) switches for, say $300 or less, and I'm
      
there.
    
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
warrensirota.com




  
      
    


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--Boundary_(ID_rtXu5nNskJsWA6zwYJjf9Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 21:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 980183BEFE; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44AC350C.9050506@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:54:20 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB567@keel.sailpoint.com> <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <44ABF0DB.1020606@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-1, 07/05/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:54:25 +0000 (UTC) I'm saving for a jambass now. I would actually like to use it for basslines and have some sort of on-body midi triggers that I could use either to control software or to trigger drum samples. That would be fun! --Josh burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >>> Then you branch into alternate controllers. For example a >>> controller with >>> trigger pads or buttons that you can mount on your guitar on the >>> lower bout >>> without marring. So you can trigger by finger taps or with the side >>> of your >>> hand. > > Not short enough to mount on the lower bout of a guitar, but have you > looked at the jambass strip as a possible solution? > > http://jambass.com/ > > Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 22:03:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91DE73BF01; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07fc01c6a07e$d5070b90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Checking out of LD for a few weeks Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:03:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, I have some urgent family and work things that are going to preoccupy me out of town for the next few weeks. I'm going to unsubscribe for a while to prevent email overload when I bet back....but I'll be back when the dust has settled. I hope I don't miss anything!!! At least you'll know why I am silent for a while. If you want to send me a personal note about something, I can handle that. Just sent to info@krispenhartung.com Cheers, Kris p.s. I had lunch with Jeff Kaiser today and he showed me some of the wonders of MAX/MSP....and of course, I had to bring up Raktor 5 to show-off as well. Lots and lots of options out there..... ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 22:06:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE7D43BF05; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <07fc01c6a07e$d5070b90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <07fc01c6a07e$d5070b90$abb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Checking out of LD for a few weeks Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:06:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Raktor 5 is pretty cool....I think it is way better than Reaktor 5.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 5, 2006, at 3:03 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > > I have some urgent family and work things that are going to preoccupy=20= > me out of town for the next few weeks. I'm going to unsubscribe for a=20= > while to prevent email overload when I bet back....but I'll be back=20 > when the dust has settled. I hope I don't miss anything!!! At least=20 > you'll know why I am silent for a while. > > If you want to send me a personal note about something, I can handle=20= > that. Just sent to info@krispenhartung.com > > Cheers, > > Kris > > p.s. I had lunch with Jeff Kaiser today and he showed me some of the=20= > wonders of MAX/MSP....and of course, I had to bring up Raktor 5 to=20 > show-off as well. Lots and lots of options out there..... > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Looper's Delight Playlist -=20 > http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 5 22:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B4653BED9; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Vedr. 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Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper Thread-Index: AcagfP/ItQblVj+wRyyL+WRgwI9fIwAA31/A From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:31:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A082.C12FD5CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: rune fagereng =20 > What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters bmp with the same bmp > as the ableton-software, and then loop along with the laptop, but they > drift apart after some time. > ... > but I still think its strange that they drift apart. =20 This is normal, the BPM's are not actually the same. They may both claim to be 120 but one will actually be something like 120.0247 and the other 120.0963. Over time they will eventually drift. They would have to be physically connected in some way to maintain identical tempos, similar to " word clock " with audio interfaces. =20 Connecting them with MIDI does not actually make their clocks run at exactly the same tempo, but it provides a point of reference so that the slave can detect when it is drifting and make a correction. =20 Jeff ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A082.C12FD5CA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: rune = fagereng
 
> What I am doing as = far, is to=20 set the repeaters bmp with the same bmp
> as the ableton-software, = and=20 then loop along with the laptop, but they
> drift apart after some = time.
> ...
> but I still think its strange that they drift=20 apart.
 
This is normal, the = BPM's are not=20 actually the same.  They may both
claim to be 120 but one will = actually=20 be something like 120.0247 and
the other 120.0963.  Over time = they will=20 eventually drift.  They would
have to be physically connected in = some=20 way to maintain identical
tempos, similar to  " word clock "   with audio = interfaces.
 
Connecting them with = MIDI does not=20 actually make their clocks
run at exactly the same tempo, but it = provides a=20 point of
reference so that the slave can detect when it is = drifting
and=20 make a correction.
 
Jeff
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 03:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D578D3BED5; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Marsh" To: Subject: Uploaded RC-50 sample to File Library Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:14:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c6a0aa$3dd065b0$6401a8c0@pantanolaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6A06F.9173FEB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acagqj1xTxr6WSAOQlWFgjVvUOEDBA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:14:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6A06F.9173FEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All - I just uploaded a sample loop to the file library in the Audio Looping Examples section. The sample does loop, so you can listen to how the RC-50 handles that (very nicely). The audio quality is excellent (though the MP3 mangles it a little). Its good practice to make sure your gain structure is optimized; I have heard some say that the audio quality out of this device is not good: judge for yourself! This sample is a recording off of the outputs of the RC-50 into my laptop. There are three phrases going at once. In this case the loops are sync'd, but you can free-wheel, too. You can start all phrases simultaneously and for recording purposes, I had them all as one-shots. The RC-50 has a lot of depth - I've used an AdrenaLinn pedal to sync the RC to MIDI and that works very nicely (it is completely cool to use the sync'd filter effects and drum machine of the AdrenaLinn with the RC!). You can fade phrases in and out and end them on Loop End (if sync'd). The pedals are pretty intuitive, but you will have to spend a little time with the device and the manual before you get all comfy-cozy with things. Connection to a computer is a little arcane (you have to change file name for import/export to some specific rules, gak!) but it does work. More later, right now it's back to playing! Mike PS - I'm not a real looper, but with this pedal I think I can learn :-) m ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6A06F.9173FEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All = –

 

I just uploaded a sample loop to the = file library in the Audio Looping Examples section.  The sample does = loop, so you can listen to how the RC-50 handles that (very nicely).  The = audio quality is excellent (though the MP3 mangles it a little).  Its = good practice to make sure your gain structure is optimized; I have heard = some say that the audio quality out of this device is not good: judge for = yourself!

 

This sample is a recording off of the = outputs of the RC-50 into my laptop.  There are three phrases going at = once.  In this case the loops are sync’d, but you can free-wheel, = too.  You can start all phrases simultaneously and for recording purposes, I had = them all as one-shots.

 

The RC-50 has a lot of depth – = I’ve used an AdrenaLinn pedal to sync the RC to MIDI and that works very nicely (it is completely cool to use the = sync’d filter effects and drum machine of the AdrenaLinn with the RC!).  = You can fade phrases in and out and end them on Loop End (if = sync’d).  The pedals are pretty intuitive, but you will have to spend a little time = with the device and the manual before you get all comfy-cozy with = things.

 

Connection to a computer is a little = arcane (you have to change file name for import/export to some specific rules, = gak!) but it does work.

 

More later, right now it’s back = to playing!

 

Mike

 

PS – I’m not a real = looper, but with this pedal I think I can learn J

 

m

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6A06F.9173FEB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 03:29:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 311D33BEDF; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=A2XkLnc+0lC38zuNX/xD9AnmgUogswRcWiGFcAD8tcSBIzmcMb56ZJPAGuYaUawuuZtdFxSAUXHEasTCei9hmEjSs73HpGJ9sQowTSvmWNLrT2ov60jJdpGcxOc+pHGGiAtXEaeY0RRPEAPcb7RjeBwdwpM/XCaet4J2+RM6IK0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:29:37 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP FOR SALE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Black face, bought last year. Echoplex Digital Pro Plus, Loop IV, full memory, like new condition, comes with Gibson controller and manual. Asking $750. I am in the NYC area so if you are too that makes things alot easier, if not you will have to pay for shipping however much that is, assumingly 10-12 bucks. Thanks, Mark Trewella From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 03:37:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6CF3BEDC; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OHIHbhw9HMuc9i0/qlSSFkVKr5aAL9R+DHqKJ2M/QsnCy1wh4dBMeSoqp0LJC6P/KSpHMrU7rhOd+d7aQoiTf71Lav7yaUjLBFRxLYhTXNHYPAfn5KiBP1xkWasgDByK1RJpzK+v9CAh9ZRfS5wNkiNuCuM51l4GeRf67qETAkc= ; Message-ID: <20060706033713.84956.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004401c6a02e$63b71340$0401a8c0@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:37:15 +0000 (UTC) what is that mini controller he is using? --- Claude Voit wrote: > yes > > Michael Schiefel > > http://www.schiefel.de/ > > he uses 2 edp a tc voice processor and a small > keyboard controler to trig > the edps and the fx > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242995@N00/67095462/in/pool-13509629@N00/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242995@N00/67089277/in/pool-13509629@N00/ > and he is faster that any shoe gazer guitar player > > Claude > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: Re:vocal looping (jazz) > > > > I've missed this entire thread, but is there > anyone doing any vocal > > looping with some serious jazz vocal technique? I > mean, some really far > > out scatting (Ela style), vocalizing looping bass > lines, comping changes, > > doing some of the great jazz standards, etc....I > guess sort of like the > > stuff Bobby McFerrin has done with Chick Corea, > etc...NOT "Don't Worry Be > > Happy"! :) I can only imagine what Dee Dee > Bridgewater, Dinah Washington, > > Nancy Wilson, Mel Torme, Al Jarreau, Sarah > Vaughan, Dianne Reeves, or > > Jonie Mitchell could have done (could do) with an > EDP or Looperlative. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 07:45:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EAF13BED6; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5+ZOKYRBBXoo0PQzHNwtnfmpji3ceQGVe6C1hdEVBKrez0C1mfw2EFhVe1vAfUEvVKf0EYyJxPVAJQA9pd+qYtEWOxeua/8k78pHg+TnXzSDk9oeFxnWrYwIzpdyATz5orx2xUxrR4TIWrPm+pDGt2W4XfB948qOCm+JX0pzsjo= ; Message-ID: <20060706074547.93510.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:45:47 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB5D2@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1476076227-1152171947=:92474" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:45:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1476076227-1152171947=:92474 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks ! I am into this Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset, and have seen him live a lot. His drummer plays loops on a mac along with his drumming. And Aarset makes loops and themes on the repeater. I have seen his rig, and I havent seen any midi connections. One explaination can be that he has the repeater on beat detect, and that he uses sort loops and themes, for a brief time, before making new ones, and then he`ll have no problems with things getting out of sync. I have tryied this but when I uses delay, the repeater misscalculate the bpm, and ruins the effect of the delay. Thanks for your answer. best regards Rune F jeff larson skrev: From: rune fagereng > What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters bmp with the same bmp > as the ableton-software, and then loop along with the laptop, but they > drift apart after some time. > ... > but I still think its strange that they drift apart. This is normal, the BPM's are not actually the same. They may both claim to be 120 but one will actually be something like 120.0247 and the other 120.0963. Over time they will eventually drift. They would have to be physically connected in some way to maintain identical tempos, similar to " word clock " with audio interfaces. Connecting them with MIDI does not actually make their clocks run at exactly the same tempo, but it provides a point of reference so that the slave can detect when it is drifting and make a correction. Jeff www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1476076227-1152171947=:92474 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks !
 
I am into this Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset, and have seen him live a lot. His drummer plays loops on a mac along with his drumming. And Aarset makes loops and themes on the repeater. I have seen his rig, and I havent seen any midi connections.
 
One explaination can be that he has the repeater on beat detect, and that he uses sort loops and themes, for a brief time, before making new ones, and then he`ll have no problems with things getting out of sync. I have tryied this but when I uses delay, the repeater misscalculate the bpm, and ruins the effect of the delay.
 
Thanks for your answer.
 
best regards Rune F         

jeff larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> skrev:
From: rune fagereng
 
> What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters bmp with the same bmp
> as the ableton-software, and then loop along with the laptop, but they
> drift apart after some time.
> ...
> but I still think its strange that they drift apart.
 
This is normal, the BPM's are not actually the same.  They may both
claim to be 120 but one will actually be something like 120.0247 and
the other 120.0963.  Over time they will eventually drift.  They would
have to be physically connected in some way to maintain identical
tempos, similar to  " word clock "   with audio interfaces.
 
Connecting them with MIDI does not actually make their clocks
run at exactly the same tempo, but it provides a point of
reference so that the slave can detect when it is drifting
and make a correction.
 
Jeff



www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1476076227-1152171947=:92474-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 08:59:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8929F3BEDC; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:59:14 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> Message-ID: <20060706085914.92190@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060703083117.73680@gmx.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060703090018.01d7d2b8@TheNettles.com> <20060704120041.307170@gmx.net> <1A00F923-2901-4C5F-8FD6-47B0A65715CD@zonemobius.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704112419.01d913f0@TheNettles.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060704145804.01ac18e0@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: FlyLooper & market potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks > The average guitar player gigs at home, where their PC lives. Most > folks don't play out, guys. As for PCs, I look at all the college > students in my neighborhood and they're all packing laptops. This is exactly the audience I have in mind!! So, if you have a "out-of-the-box" package that comes with plug&play USB foot controller and nice software (maybe add some free plugin effects?), all together for 80,- USD/EUR, hell, I would go out and buy one immediately, just out of curiosity. IMHO, the audience is _not_ ... professional hardware loopers who pay 1500$ for a Looperlative (that they add to their collection of 2 EDPs, 3 Repeaters and a dozen delay effects...) ... professional software loopers who are using Reaktor, GuitarRig2, MAX/MSP, Ableton, Möbius & oothers, a carefully programmed MIDI footcontroller and a collection of VST plugins for several thousand dollars. No, it's the average kid with his guitar and computer who get's excited about "Garage Band" and wants to be able to say "look, I'm looping!". So, in a way, it _IS_ actually the mass market that M-Audio is addressing. Just needs the right packaging. For anything else, you'd have to have some REAL killer application that Ableton Live or others don't have (and cannot imitate easily). Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 09:03:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB06E3BEE8; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: R: LD aniversary loop contributions Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C26332E5E2E@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LD aniversary loop contributions Thread-Index: Acag2vf0+mVlJGnuSYSMjcNgLNMDaw== From: To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2006 09:02:57.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9A5DFB0:01C6A0DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi Krispen, Here you can download two mine 30 sec. pieces. I have done a fade in and fade out of two my songs. http://mio.discoremoto.alice.it/a_cube_studio If anybody of the LD comunity has time to listen my songs I'd appreciate = any kind of comment. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=3D547466 Milco http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121901060947 =20 -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Inviato: mercoled=EC 5 luglio 2006 5.32 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions 30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what you do in that = space with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a larger = piece if you like, or just record it that way. Consider it a = "thumbnail" depiction of your looping personality. :) It should be a = good test of our ability to articulate what we are as loopers in 30 = sec...a fun challenge. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions > How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? I'm not 100% clear > whether we're talking about loop length or the length of the piece. = Sorry > for being so dense ;-) > > ~Tim > > >> [Original Message] >> From: L.A. Angulo >> To: >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions >> >> Hi Josh, >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra >> touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also >> slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it >> sounds so obvious;-) >> cheers >> Luis >> >> --- Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >> > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you >> > using? >> > >> > --Josh >> > >> > L.A. Angulo wrote: >> > > Hi krispen, >> > > Here is mine composed of 4 different >> > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it >> > > repeats itself(ups) >> > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill >> > donate >> > > it to the LD comunity >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm >> > > cheers >> > > Luis >> > > >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ >> > > Do You Yahoo!? >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> > protection around >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 11:38:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A93B3BED6; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:38:15 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Message-ID: <20060706113815.235520@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060705080436.01a84cf8@TheNettles.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB567@keel.sailpoint.com> <1130.128.193.37.230.1152118835.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: RE: USB Controller (Was: FlyLooper & market potential) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7gXkQ.A.8qE.pYPrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Folks > For example, you have your "Kid Beyond Ableton" > preset (called "Able Children" to avoid licensing problems) > that allows you to easily beatbox with Ableton Live without a >lot of tapdancing on the custom pedal. > But you also provide software to copy, clone and tweak the preset for the > advanced users. Sounds like a really good business model + useable tool! Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 11:42:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B85F3BEDD; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lsQHroFoMIVFQ+wWvj2hTnXVX0WI+KcefnSVBc487VKn6PLqWQP8Youc0G9owqAY5PMLoITD7ojtSRaxGWJu/iLsbxMLquxT4iNS45C+gzYfyctYT/eEpLExouNHxIBOkLCZvClvDVLMgKSqCwid/rkxrLb2P8gdAypByxkXkdY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060705151020.53801.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060705151020.53801.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28ADB957-6CA8-4C35-89EC-3158794A3EEF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:12:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:42:25 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 5, 2006, at 17:10, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. Beats, basslines on > the laptop and soundscapes in sync and without sync on the > repeater. But still if my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my > repeater the same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the sync. > > I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ? Hi Rune, I didn't understand if you sync the laptop or the Repeater, but I can tell you that when I had a Repeater I liked to sync that machine all the time. Sometimes an EDP was providing a MIDI Clock signal and sometimes a computer was the master - but the Repeater was always my sync slave and it did very well. But maybe my good experience with the Repeater comes from the fact that I play everything live? I mean, if the Repeater really was "slow" or "fast" I had no problem with that because I was listening and playing in time what was being looped on the repeater. Quite often a musical theme, looped into the Repeater, did not start where the (Repeater) loop started. This became obvious when I went "Next Loop" on the Repeater, but it didn't hurt the music much IMHO. And of course, the Repeater doesn't sync correctly during the time-stretch phase when you change master tempo (like, I use to go HalfSpeed on the EDP which will change the tempo to half as fast). But personally I think that sounds cool and I like it as a musical effect - the Repeater does after all catch up and lock into the new tempo in one or two seconds. I also tried the Beat Sync of the Repeater and it worked fine, although you have to help it out now and then by tapping the tempo (not all music have that four-on-the-floor 909 kick ;-) So much syncing the Repeater. If you do it the other way - i.e. syncing the laptop - I have no tips, because this comes down to what software application you are running. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 13:47:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96DCE3BECF; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MPrts3F8FKH4FigW53c/jN134RcckN/yJWdhpqr8QVmdyyAbfCQCEZZ0P7t5pj6vEyWvJxhehsfw1WuDX1oRcK//B5uEARjntiJumjLok4QgGakqadGdBHYGLiuHUXvsuGfLWiqs62Jd/T1n6GzMrKAnxjomeuaKIRsMnel+weY= ; Message-ID: <20060706134727.93917.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:47:27 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <28ADB957-6CA8-4C35-89EC-3158794A3EEF@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1985472126-1152193647=:82620" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:47:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-1985472126-1152193647=:82620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi and thanks ! You guys are a head of me. I am just a novise in this game. I thought I just could set the repeater in the same bmp as the ableton groove and everything would be ok. I havent tryied midi jet. This is new to me. Maybe for the time being it would be enough with the beat detect-thing, and as you say, give it a re-tap once. But is it difficult to slave the repeater to my pc with ableton and m-adio ozone workstation ? best regards of Rune Per Boysen skrev: On Jul 5, 2006, at 17:10, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. Beats, basslines on > the laptop and soundscapes in sync and without sync on the > repeater. But still if my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my > repeater the same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the sync. > > I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ? Hi Rune, I didn't understand if you sync the laptop or the Repeater, but I can tell you that when I had a Repeater I liked to sync that machine all the time. Sometimes an EDP was providing a MIDI Clock signal and sometimes a computer was the master - but the Repeater was always my sync slave and it did very well. But maybe my good experience with the Repeater comes from the fact that I play everything live? I mean, if the Repeater really was "slow" or "fast" I had no problem with that because I was listening and playing in time what was being looped on the repeater. Quite often a musical theme, looped into the Repeater, did not start where the (Repeater) loop started. This became obvious when I went "Next Loop" on the Repeater, but it didn't hurt the music much IMHO. And of course, the Repeater doesn't sync correctly during the time-stretch phase when you change master tempo (like, I use to go HalfSpeed on the EDP which will change the tempo to half as fast). But personally I think that sounds cool and I like it as a musical effect - the Repeater does after all catch up and lock into the new tempo in one or two seconds. I also tried the Beat Sync of the Repeater and it worked fine, although you have to help it out now and then by tapping the tempo (not all music have that four-on-the-floor 909 kick ;-) So much syncing the Repeater. If you do it the other way - i.e. syncing the laptop - I have no tips, because this comes down to what software application you are running. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1985472126-1152193647=:82620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi and thanks !
 
You guys are a head of me. I am just a novise in this game. I thought I just could set the repeater in the same bmp as the ableton groove and everything would be ok. I havent tryied midi jet. This is new to me. Maybe for the time being it would be enough with the beat detect-thing, and as you say, give it a re-tap once.
 
But is it difficult to slave the repeater to my pc with ableton and m-adio ozone workstation ?
 
best regards of Rune      

Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
On Jul 5, 2006, at 17:10, rune fagereng wrote:

> Hi !
>
> I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. Beats, basslines on
> the laptop and soundscapes in sync and without sync on the
> repeater. But still if my beats on the pc are in 90 bpm and my
> repeater the same, they seam to, over some time, to loose the sync.
>
> I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ?


Hi Rune,

I didn't understand if you sync the laptop or the Repeater, but I can
tell you that when I had a Repeater I liked to sync that machine all
the time. Sometimes an EDP was providing a MIDI Clock signal and
sometimes a computer was the master - but the Repeater was always my
sync slave and it did very well.

But maybe my good experience with the Repeater comes from the fact
that I play everything live? I mean, if the Repeater really was
"slow" or "fast" I had no problem with that because I was listening
and playing in time what was being looped on the repeater. Quite
often a musical theme, looped into the Repeater, did not start where
the (Repeater) loop started. This became obvious when I went "Next
Loop" on the Repeater, but it didn't hurt the music much IMHO. And of
course, the Repeater doesn't sync correctly during the time-stretch
phase when you change master tempo (like, I use to go HalfSpeed on
the EDP which will change the tempo to half as fast). But personally
I think that sounds cool and I like it as a musical effect - the
Repeater does after all catch up and lock into the new tempo in one
or two seconds. I also tried the Beat Sync of the Repeater and it
worked fine, although you have to help it out now and then by tapping
the tempo (not all music have that four-on-the-floor 909 kick ;-)

So much syncing the Repeater. If you do it the other way - i.e.
syncing the laptop - I have no tips, because this comes down to what
software application you are running.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom






www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1985472126-1152193647=:82620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 13:53:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B5023BEDE; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:53:13 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060706135313.183860@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-50: FIRST IMPRESSIONS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers I've received my RC-50 and have been playing with it. Here are my... FIRST IMPRESSIONS =================== GENERAL LOOK & FEEL Looks & feels rock solid. I like the red color, reminds me of the Sony DDII Walkman in the 80ies... :-) Pedals are bit too heavy to press, at least for looping. But I guess I can get used to that. Great to have so many inputs (Aux, ,Mic, Line) and also outputs! (main out + subout). Little strange thing: all my other gear is using Left channel for mono, RC-50 is using right channel. Not important though. What is really nice: buttons, knobs are really accessible. No triple-shift buttons etc. The screen display is bright and alphanumeric, no cryptic numbers. PLAYING THE BUILT-IN PHRASES This is really where you see the marketing strength of Roland/Boss: They have some really nice and catchy patches installed on the first five slots. They are really cleverly addressing a large audience (not looping geeks like LD people ;-). I can imagine a guitar player stomping on the pedals and jamming on top of the pre-recorded loops. Actually, this is also what the RC-50 is addressing: it's less the avantgarde ambient musician but rather the main-stream guitarist who get's a nice play-along looper (but feel free to prove me wrong ;-). The sound quality is really superb, btw. Nice uncompressed CD-quality. (Somehow, _their_ demo patches do sound ok when changing tempo - unlike the "barbling effect" on tempo shifts experienced by people with their own loops, later on that). Just some BASICS ahead: PHRASE = what people would usually call a loop. The RC-50 can play 3 of them in parallel (multi mode) or sequentially (single mode). PATCH= A set of three phrases - along with it's settings - is called a patch. LITTLE ANNOYING THINGS IN THE BEGINNING If you want to play say PHRASE2, it's not enough to just press the pedal PHRASE2. Rather, you _select_ the Phrase you want to play/record/overdub and then you press the PLAY/REC/OD (overdub) pedal to really trigger. A bit contrary to my intiution: would have preferred the other way round: i.e. having one pedal to select the mode (Play>Stop, Record>Play, Record>Overdub) and 3xPhrase pedals triggering the rec/play/overdub. Another annoying thing is the "greenish yellow" overdub light which we will discuss later. The next totally confusing thing is the handling of time. TIME SETTINGS ON THE RC-50 The first loops I've recorded, I was thinking "wait a minute, the loop is badly lagging behind". Then I realized I'd have to tweak with the time settings of the RC-50. Mind you: even though I've read ALL instructions days before carefully, I still found it confusing. How many musicians actually read the whole manual before using their gear? Some people reviewing the RC-50 complain that it has "latency of 1-2 seconds". I cannot imagine this to be true (though I haven't tested everything carefully yet). I suspect this is due to the time settings that are VERY complex. So, here are the TIME SETTING TERMINOLOGY of the RC-50: LOOP SYNC: When turning on loop sync, all loops start & stop at the same time, exactly the same length LOOP QUANTIZE: Quantize according to Guide (approximates the quantized point, works really nice) PATCH TEMPO: Is sort of the "global" tempo, you can set it with knob or tap tempo GUIDE TEMPO: is the same as the patch tempo PHRASE TEMPO (ORIGINAL): Each phrase can have it's own tempo TEMPO SYNC: You can sync each phrase to the patch tempo PHRASE TEMPO (REAL): can be either original phrase tempo or i.e. with tempo sync the patch tempo GUIDE VOLUME LEVEL: The guide volume is not only important for the volume level but also defines if the guide is on or OFF. This is important for Loop Quantize (off: no loop quantize possible) or setting the Patch Tempo (off: first loop determines patch tempo). It _is_ a bit complex in the beginning, right? ;-) Btw, I didn't notice any hiccup (then again, I attribute all errors to myself currently ;-). The only thing I've noticed is that when you shift from REC to PLAY, it doesn't playback immediately but will be there on the next loop. No problem for me, though. MY FIRST LOOP: BLUES IN SINGLE MODE Ok befor we get into stuff that doesn't work or is hard to accomplish - here is a little introduction to fast, first success. So, by now you might have realized that time settings are complicated. So, this is my first successful loop: - Connected & set all inputs/outputs I need - Scroll forward until I have a patch that has not been recorded yet (i.e. 10) - Turn off ALL time settings, that is: - Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF (even if it's down: check it again, because switching patches could give it a different default value) - Turn off LOOP SYNC - For each Phrase(1-3): Turn off Temp Sync - From this point on, I don't need to care about any tempo features or tap tempo bugging me - Choose SINGLE MODE (watch that loop sync is still turned off) OK, and now we go: I choose PHRASE1 and press the PLAY/REC/OD pedal. Recording some blues on the keyboard for a round. Now it's time for the B-Part: I press PHRASE2 pedal and I'm recording B-Part blues piano on PHRASE2. Pressing the PLAY/REC/OD pedal again puts me in loop playback - PHRASE2 only. Now it's time for some overdubs: I press PLAY/REC/OD again and overdub some vocals. (Eeeeehhh..... am I really overdubbing? see more on that later). Yes it works! :-) Nice quality. And now, back to PHRASE1, some overdubbing. And just for the heck: a C-Part on PHRASE3, why not? Ok so far, this was really fun and easy. I think I will use this feature more in future for some live jamming. let's get back to... THE YELLOWISH GREEN BULB & GREENISH YELLOW BULB (PLAYBACK/OVERDUB) One of the most unfortunate "features" (along with barbling tempo sync, lack of loop decay... etc) is the light bulb on the RECORD/PLAY/OVERDUB pedal. RED BULB: means RECORD. So far, so good. "GREEN" BULB: means PLAY. However, this is more of a "YELLOWISH GREEN" bulb. "YELLOW" BULB: means OVERDUB. However, this is more of a "GREENISH YELLOW" bulb. So, I feel pretty stupid during overdubs because I wonder: "Am I really overdubbing or just wasting my time?". I guess I might develop more confidence after a while. MY SECOND LOOP: ORIENTAL 9/8 RYHTYHM WITH TEMPO GUIDE Now, you might remember that Roland advertised the RC-50, boasting it's hundreds of rhythm patterns. I first thought, "what a gimmick". But after playing around with them a bit, I find them quite useful: If you turn up GUIDE VOLUME knob and press START GUIDE button, you will here some rhythm. Pressing the GUIDE EDIT and moving through the parameters, you can define the meter. And yet - you can even play 13/8 or 7/8 if you like :-))) After choosing the meter, you can tap the tempo you like or define the tempo by turning the knob. (Unfortunately, tempo is defined like i.e. 126,7 but manually you can only set [as far as I've actually discovered] 1-beat-steps rather than 1/10-beat-steps. This is bad for defining tempo later on. Also, turning on tempo sync during playback doesn't seem to work, but that's another story). Then you can pick one of various tasteful rhythm patterns. AND THEY ARE REALLY NICE! I mean, the first thing I often loop is something like a hi-hat or bass/snare drum. So, the RC-50 provides you with a good sounding, minimalist hi-hat or basic drum pattern that will not obscure your music - unlike that annoying tick-tack-tack-tack of most sequencers... :-) I was remember a jazz pianist who was fiddling around with an RC-20 during a jazz concert - and suddenly his metronome went on... tick-tack-tack-tack... So, the GUIDE has been the most positive real surprise so far on the RC-50 to me. I think I will really use the simple Hihat2 for synced loops. So this is what I did: - Choose a new patch and turn all the temp sync etc. stuff off - Set up the GUIDE properly, turning the GUIDE VOLUME up - Switch to MULTI MODE (stiill make sure that the damn loop sync is turned off ;-) - Check that the LOOP QUANTIZE light is turned on when I choose a phrase And there we go: Let the GUIDE play 9/8 ryhthm (HiHat2) and play some oriental darbuka for 1 bar on PHRASE1. Overdub additional percussion on PHRASE1. At this point, it is convenient to turn down the GUIDE VOLUME because I have enough percussion orientation with my own loops. However this is IMPORTANT: do NOT turn the GUIDE completely down to OFF. Rather, leave at least on "2". Otherwise, the LOOP QUANTIZE will not work! By the way LOOP QUANTIZE is really, really very nice :-) I have been so annoyed with Ableton Live on this: Let's say the exact loop point is 13,2seconds. RC-50: If you press PLAY/REC/OD pedal somewhere around 13,2seconds (i.e. 12,8sec or 13,6sec) the loop will be quantized to the exact point 13,2sec. ABLETON: Whereas in Ableton Live, hitting the button on i.e. 12,8sec would result in perfect loop with 13,2seconds but if you are just a little bit too late (i..e 13,6sec), then you end up waiting until you get to the 26,4sec point. This works really nice on RC-50 :-) So, now I move on to PHRASE2 and record some additional patterns over 2 bars and some 8 bar melody on PHRASE 3. Needless to say, all the phrases are in perfect sync :-))) This is really fun. :-)) I was first a bit disappointed that there is no "multiply" command. However, with the three phrases in MULTI MODE and LOOP SYNC, I think I can live with that. Another comment on LOOP QUANTIZE In MULTI MODE, if you don't want to use a GUIDE but still have three PHRASES in sync. You can turn off all tempo settings (including Guide) but just turn on TEMPO SYNC for all three phrases. (Make sure it's a "fresh" patch, though!). In this case, the first phrase defines the PATCH TEMPO. When you select the next loops for recording, LOOP QUANTIZE light should light up. And there you go: Record three loops in perfect sync :-) But: DON'T EVER MESS WITH THE TEMPO. You (or at last I ;-) will not be able to get back to your original tempo. So, in order to avoid this, the best thing is to re-assign the TEMPO PEDAL with a different function (i.e. CURRENT PHRASE REVERSE, OVERDUB MODE, ...). Then, I'd like to push things farther and do some SWITCHING BETWEEN PHRASES Actually, when I first read about the RC-50, my hope was to be able to use it much like the "scenes" in Ableton Live: That means you have set of loops (RC-50: 3 phrases) you are playing simultaneously (RC-50: phrases in multi mode) and you want to another set of loops (RC-50: patch). So... this works... kind of.... but not the way I had in mind.... So, the first thing - if you have your nice set of 3 phrases prepared and you want to had off for variations is to first WRITE PATCH: if you don't write your patch, your loops will be gone after moving to another phrase. second COPY PATCH: ideally, to the next slot, so you are able to use it as a basis. And here comes the first disappointment: IN ORDER TO WRITE PATCHES, YOU NEED TO STOP ALL PLAYBACK :-( So that means, if you want to do this during live performance, you have to bounce your loop to a second looping device (or long delay) before you can stop the RC-50. Not nice - I'll see if it will work practically. So, in order to SWITCH PHRASES you have to keep the TAP TEMPO pedal (or was it the STOP pedal? I always keep mixing that up - the other is actually clearing your phrase, so be careful ;-)) pressed for >2 seconds. Then you are able to switch to the next/previous phrase using the first two pedals. Does it start playing the second phrase immediately? No, you have actually to choose a phrase/press play to really play the second patch (I haven't figured out yet what it is doing really exactly there). So this is the second disappointment: Switching between patches seems not to be a press-just-one-button thing. It would be actually great to swtich between patches (= set of phrases) just like you switch between phrases in the single mode. Instead it seems to take about 4 pedal pushes to get going at least. But maybe this process can be optimized. So, here the third disappointment: Pressing PHRASE2+PHRASE3 together when switching to a new patch doesn't seem to start all 3 phrases at the same time. Again, maybe it is just me. At least on work-around is to set all three phrases to START SIMULTANEOUSLY (this is a default patch setting), then if you start one, all will start together. Again, over time, I might find a better to optimize this. Ok, now let's look at the two most concerning aspects of the RC-50: Loop Decay (or lack thereof) and barbling tempo changes. LOOP DECAY is not available. Period. There is something called FADE OUT. However, I'd not like to disappoint you: fade out only means that when pressing STOP, the loop will be faded out instead of stopping abruptly. But his is just for stop and has nothing to do with decaying loops. Just a hint concerning TERMINOLOGY: LOOP DECAY vs. DELAY FEEDBACK While historically "feedback" may be a very common term, I think using "loop decay" might be a better term in this context,. For example, if you want to convince Roland to put in that feature in a future "RC-50XL", they might be more open to the idea of "loop decay" rather than "delay feedback" - which would help them to keep their Looper distinctly apart from their effect units. Just my thought on this. (don't want to discuss this here any further). Back to FADE OUT, I think you can still use it in some creative way - especially keeping in mind you have three PHRASES that you can let FADE OUT one after another, retrigger etc. BARBLING "EFFECT" WITH TEMPO SHIFT Yes this is by far the BIGGEST - the BIGGGEST - disappointment is this: When you record a loop and you play it at any other tempo rather than it's original tempo you will get a "barbling sound" (a bit like flanger) that will make your loop sound really cheap (much worse than low sampling rate). This has horrible effects (pun) if you want to: - use TAP TEMPO to playback your loops along with the tempo of the band - record several phrases of various length and TEMPO SYNC them - use the RC-50 as a MIDI SYNC SLAVE to another unit. There is _no_ half/double tempo button btw, playing half/double speed sounds just as bad. I was actually not so disappointed because I've heard of this "feature" before getting my RC-50. So the work -around is I guess to - _always_ use the RC-50 as MIDI MASTER - _always_ use the same exact same tempo for all phrases of a patch (in multi mode) - _never_ change the tempo of the patch (I would even recommend reconfiguring the TEMPO pedal with something else like i.e. CURRENT PHRASE REVERSE) - be _very_ careful with all your timing setttings (see above) There is still some hope though: The "barbling effect" didn't sound so bad with some phrases and worse with others. It would be worthwhile investigating which sounds are more resistant to tempo shift (possibly rhythm sounds or sounds with no vibrato?). If you can optimize it, you could at least find some sounds that will work for tempo shift. It might be also well investigating if certain frequency ranges are less affected or if adding i.e. some distortion to the original sound might disguise the effect. Something about MIDI & FOOT CONTROL Suppose you have a Behringer Footcontroller. As far as I can understand, you will be able to use two MIDI expression/volume pedals, i.e. for CURRENT PHRASE VOLUME & CURRENT PHRASE PAN. However, concerning your MIDI footswitches, there will be just ONE command. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you'll just be able to use ONE footswitch on your WHOLE MIDI board, assigned to ONE RC-50 command only! This is actually really a joke... To be fair: I haven't tested any external pedals, so I might be wrong on certain issues like this (let's hope...) There is some good news for FOOT PEDALS though: You can add 4 more additional regular footswitches to the RC-50. Plus: re-assign the TEMPO and UNDO pedal (though I would really think twice about removing the UNDO...). This would give you a pedal with 7+4=11 pedals which is not bad either. SUMMARY So to sum it up, if you can live with restrictions (no loop decay, time-shift problems), the RC-50 is really a GREAT unit that seems a lot of fun and that I will be using a lot. It really does have a LOT OF FEATURES like: - 3 CD-quality stereo phrases, - really nice LOOP QUANTIZE - really big memory (24 minutes CDquality Stereo) - "some" MIDI support, - download/upload of loops via USB, - useful GUIDE (useful sounds and odd meters), - robust hardware - lot of inputs/outputs - and: everything is in a NICE COMPACT 7 PEDAL BOARD. It might of course not replace a tool like several EDPs or a Looperlative (except compact design & memory). Yet, I think there is still a lot of depth that can be explored, i.e. using foot switches/MIDI pedals for controlling stuff, using the SUB OUTPUT to send a specific phrase to an effect board... etc. Another useful aspect (that has nothing to do with looping though ;-) is to prepare some background tracks on your computer, put them on the RC-50 via USB and play on stage to your background tracks. I think esp. people who are looking for "band in a box" like features might be attracted to it. As for future product releases, by just adding some minor improvements like decent real-time tempo shift and loop decay (also more midi support and maybe multiply command etc) RC-50 would become even more attractive and make also "hard-core-loopers" happy. Roland/Boss has proven that they can learn based on the improvements from RC-20 over RC-20XL to RC-50. A future "RC-50XL" could really become a killer looper. Personally, I'm quite new to this forum and not so experienced with various loopers. So you may need to judge for yourself if the RC-50 is something for you. Thinking about the affordable price, I would definitely recommend the RC-50 due to all the features you get in such a compact format. I believe with experience, we might still find more useful ways how to operate the RC-50. The most important aspect to me: I'm really having a lot of FUN with this box!! :-)) Buzap Links: RC-50 Manual: http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index_alpha.html RC-50 Homepage: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/index.html -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 16:05:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09DA03BEDD; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: FlyLooper & market potential MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:05:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB602@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060706085914.92190@gmx.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FlyLooper & market potential Thread-Index: Acag2ndzeL/oWWv4TgWpwYv6wYQCUgANCddQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:05:17 +0000 (UTC) > From: Buzap Buzap > > The average guitar player gigs at home, where their PC lives. > > This is exactly the audience I have in mind!! > So, if you have a "out-of-the-box" package that comes with=20 > plug&play USB foot controller and nice software (maybe add=20 > some free plugin effects?), all together for 80,- USD/EUR,=20 > hell, I would go out and buy one immediately, just out of curiosity. Sure. Does anyone here think you can make an interesting=20 profit on a hardware/software product selling for $80?. This is a footswitch we're talking about, something people stand on and spill beer on. Build quality will have to be higher than your average M-Audio desktop controller like the Trigger Finger. The Trigger Finger is actually pretty close to what we're talking about, only it needs to be larger and more rugged. That lists for $250. The custom Garage Band controller is $179. Hardware guys feel free to correct me here, but it seems like the realistic price point for a USB footswitch is going to be at minimum $200 if you want to turn a profit. Probably more because M-Audio can make up for a lower profit margin with volume.=20 Now how much to you feel you deserve for the software? Do you give it away to move the hardware (a strategy a lot of hardware vendors use) or do you tack on another $100? =20 Now your price point is around $300. I suspect most=20 Garage Band kids are going to have a harder time justifying that, unless the software does something spectacular. Again, I would love to see a flexible USB footswitch for use=20 with any MIDI application. I do have to wonder though why this hasn't occurred to M-Audio, it seems like a natural progression from the Trigger Finger. They could easily take the market away from the FCB1010. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 16:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48023BED6; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44AD3F33.20802@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:49:55 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper References: <20060706074547.93510.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060706074547.93510.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) as far as I know Eivind uses the rptr with that blue three-button footswitch, no midi sync. luca rune fagereng wrote: > Thanks ! > > I am into this Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset, and have seen > him live a lot. His drummer plays loops on a mac along with his > drumming. And Aarset makes loops and themes on the repeater. I have > seen his rig, and I havent seen any midi connections. > > One explaination can be that he has the repeater on beat detect, and > that he uses sort loops and themes, for a brief time, before making > new ones, and then he`ll have no problems with things getting out of > sync. I have tryied this but when I uses delay, the repeater > misscalculate the bpm, and ruins the effect of the delay. > > Thanks for your answer. > > best regards Rune F > > jeff larson skrev: > > From: rune fagereng > > > What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters bmp with the > same bmp > > as the ableton-software, and then loop along with the laptop, > but they > > drift apart after some time. > > ... > > but I still think its strange that they drift apart. > > This is normal, the BPM's are not actually the same. They may both > claim to be 120 but one will actually be something like 120.0247 and > the other 120.0963. Over time they will eventually drift. They would > have to be physically connected in some way to maintain identical > tempos, similar to " word clock " with audio interfaces. > > Connecting them with MIDI does not actually make their clocks > run at exactly the same tempo, but it provides a point of > reference so that the slave can detect when it is drifting > and make a correction. > > Jeff > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 17:25:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF33E3BED9; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rOsB4tm0PD3JTaf3l3XyVWq5hZA8fyrz/CblZErHVtbbWju9oBtfDyt4i1UcMcN0aOgUP6djFvpPLgYH/n2ZEMRn2AJvZbl4ZsM21nhK/lwlmvqT+GUWmVbUtigV+W0pY3Wnjf2vKTih6nZ0OkmKTJn8WdoDl7btS5RObbP+/74= ; Message-ID: <20060706172505.35489.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:25:05 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060706074547.93510.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:25:07 +0000 (UTC) One fun thing you can do with the Repeater is switch it from MIDI sync to Beat Detect and just try to knock it off balance with your playing. It's like playing with a drunk looper. --- rune fagereng wrote: > Thanks ! > > I am into this Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset, > and have seen him live a lot. His drummer plays > loops on a mac along with his drumming. And Aarset > makes loops and themes on the repeater. I have seen > his rig, and I havent seen any midi connections. > > One explaination can be that he has the repeater > on beat detect, and that he uses sort loops and > themes, for a brief time, before making new ones, > and then he`ll have no problems with things getting > out of sync. I have tryied this but when I uses > delay, the repeater misscalculate the bpm, and ruins > the effect of the delay. > > Thanks for your answer. > > best regards Rune F > > jeff larson skrev: > From: rune fagereng > > > What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters > bmp with the same bmp > > as the ableton-software, and then loop along with > the laptop, but they > > drift apart after some time. > > ... > > but I still think its strange that they drift > apart. > > This is normal, the BPM's are not actually the > same. They may both > claim to be 120 but one will actually be something > like 120.0247 and > the other 120.0963. Over time they will eventually > drift. They would > have to be physically connected in some way to > maintain identical > tempos, similar to " word clock " with audio > interfaces. > > Connecting them with MIDI does not actually make > their clocks > run at exactly the same tempo, but it provides a > point of > reference so that the slave can detect when it is > drifting > and make a correction. > > Jeff > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 17:31:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 547743BECD; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PEMqDERYGhl+HgrVJVZkHsJA+5N17BlzRj2Mybp7wVZLkIO91zhcZVCce4+bkYLdmbcgjYU+FaMCoH1gICne5B6y58GImnvjh4miBp75LmgJWO6GRU+39+N2ePgTvcwS2vYRM3FJchgjbYymepX+ZnLRFTNwGfzCsytzVb7Q6zY= ; Message-ID: <20060706173123.37394.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060706134727.93917.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5TOO9B.A.nZB.tjUrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:31:25 +0000 (UTC) --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi and thanks ! > > You guys are a head of me. I am just a novise in > this game. No problem, we all start that way. > > But is it difficult to slave the repeater to my pc > with ableton and m-adio ozone workstation ? Yup, I'd just make Ableton the "Master" and the Repeater the "Slave" as Live's sync out seems solid. I just started using Live 5 so I can't think of the exact path to set it to output midi clock, but a quick check of the manual should help... or you can do as I do and poke around until you find it. Perhaps it defaults to sending MIDI clock anyway. I'm not sure. Then set the Repeater to "MIDI" for the sync and you're done. You'll see the Repeater's tempo display go to what Live is set to and viola, you're done. I think you'll find this much, much better than Beat Detect mode and all it will cost you is the price of a midi cable. Mark > > best regards of Rune > > Per Boysen skrev: > On Jul 5, 2006, at 17:10, rune fagereng wrote: > > > Hi ! > > > > I am make songs on my lap top and the repeater. > Beats, basslines on > > the laptop and soundscapes in sync and without > sync on the > > repeater. But still if my beats on the pc are in > 90 bpm and my > > repeater the same, they seam to, over some time, > to loose the sync. > > > > I wander, do the proffs use midisync live ? > > > Hi Rune, > > I didn't understand if you sync the laptop or the > Repeater, but I can > tell you that when I had a Repeater I liked to sync > that machine all > the time. Sometimes an EDP was providing a MIDI > Clock signal and > sometimes a computer was the master - but the > Repeater was always my > sync slave and it did very well. > > But maybe my good experience with the Repeater comes > from the fact > that I play everything live? I mean, if the Repeater > really was > "slow" or "fast" I had no problem with that because > I was listening > and playing in time what was being looped on the > repeater. Quite > often a musical theme, looped into the Repeater, did > not start where > the (Repeater) loop started. This became obvious > when I went "Next > Loop" on the Repeater, but it didn't hurt the music > much IMHO. And of > course, the Repeater doesn't sync correctly during > the time-stretch > phase when you change master tempo (like, I use to > go HalfSpeed on > the EDP which will change the tempo to half as > fast). But personally > I think that sounds cool and I like it as a musical > effect - the > Repeater does after all catch up and lock into the > new tempo in one > or two seconds. I also tried the Beat Sync of the > Repeater and it > worked fine, although you have to help it out now > and then by tapping > the tempo (not all music have that four-on-the-floor > 909 kick ;-) > > So much syncing the Repeater. If you do it the other > way - i.e. > syncing the laptop - I have no tips, because this > comes down to what > software application you are running. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 17:54:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BDB13BECF; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KmmelC/j7QaoQ39WeXs72ec4Rk40F8Fen6xqNhbjsjUSCraJnTzTHkvlvsT5K8wNDCRiRHXpPpTmIp/JV5Yzyr8AdmNMT61QyeHlzboNMxI8SF+EEOGu+C5JQwih0XO6RKbVmIMT/k9eo4P2r9v+w+iRgUDY/X1CgZr8fTaaEn8= Message-ID: <64b81a780607061054o27ced782sc05e497463ee6780@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:54:49 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper In-Reply-To: <20060706172505.35489.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060706074547.93510.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060706172505.35489.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, you can do that with your audience too. :) Nothing like getting everyone in the room grooving to a funky 4/4 then knocking 'em over with a few strategically placed measures of 5, 7, 9, or 11. I love the ones that soldier on either not knowing or not caring that they're completely off the beat. And you can always spot the musicians in the audience....they're the ones smiling. Todd On 7/6/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > One fun thing you can do with the Repeater is switch > it from MIDI sync to Beat Detect and just try to knock > it off balance with your playing. It's like playing > with a drunk looper. > > --- rune fagereng wrote: > > > Thanks ! > > > > I am into this Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset, > > and have seen him live a lot. His drummer plays > > loops on a mac along with his drumming. And Aarset > > makes loops and themes on the repeater. I have seen > > his rig, and I havent seen any midi connections. > > > > One explaination can be that he has the repeater > > on beat detect, and that he uses sort loops and > > themes, for a brief time, before making new ones, > > and then he`ll have no problems with things getting > > out of sync. I have tryied this but when I uses > > delay, the repeater misscalculate the bpm, and ruins > > the effect of the delay. > > > > Thanks for your answer. > > > > best regards Rune F > > > > jeff larson skrev: > > From: rune fagereng > > > > > What I am doing as far, is to set the repeaters > > bmp with the same bmp > > > as the ableton-software, and then loop along with > > the laptop, but they > > > drift apart after some time. > > > ... > > > but I still think its strange that they drift > > apart. > > > > This is normal, the BPM's are not actually the > > same. They may both > > claim to be 120 but one will actually be something > > like 120.0247 and > > the other 120.0963. Over time they will eventually > > drift. They would > > have to be physically connected in some way to > > maintain identical > > tempos, similar to " word clock " with audio > > interfaces. > > > > Connecting them with MIDI does not actually make > > their clocks > > run at exactly the same tempo, but it provides a > > point of > > reference so that the slave can detect when it is > > drifting > > and make a correction. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 18:09:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B20D63BEDD; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CGFc3hZMhIKsToh97DswNc3p2nNZ0PES2T3iMH+UalNzno7oYdhOF7dlWbb2xlmsuO0cVa21OwpFv0b4yLsb33PmkRx+FaJI50En3hjInTohGsZqKsUwDCAlim3FJpJPIyTyB83dkfBi9K5JH8yAuzOfSUmx9XxpVtwIe0NLPl0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060706134727.93917.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060706134727.93917.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D263ADE-AD8A-4294-8F75-21C45FB33BF8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:30:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:09:13 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 6, 2006, at 15:47, rune fagereng wrote: > But is it difficult to slave the repeater to my pc with ableton and > m-adio ozone workstation ? No. Check the Repeater manual. Or the Live manual. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 18:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 813EB3BEE8; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hbKpme5cyYhZEP/n1wZU+Ei2BqwQDjd6seeN8etZ4cEt6k4q16COIj1cnIhxVHhrEs7dK9lF5goTPdyUvKpKAtjKXW1zp9YIrqTeDc86qb7y5I5gvMytkIFALt9uCNaxSAbirt+/FwTSZas0hmq8B6Ijf22dY2FLAC2UBOuHx2I= In-Reply-To: <20060706135313.183860@gmx.net> References: <20060706135313.183860@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F9A9C7F-6BC2-417A-891A-EBDC1F9F1CF6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RC-50: FIRST IMPRESSIONS Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:45:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:09:17 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 6, 2006, at 15:53, Buzap Buzap wrote: > I would definitely recommend the RC-50 due to all the features you > get in such a compact format. I believe with experience, we might > still find more useful ways how to operate the RC-50. > The most important aspect to me: I'm really having a lot of FUN > with this box!! :-)) Thank you for the eminent review! I just spent a week with a borrowed RC-50 and agree that it's a very nice box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 18:31:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B88B13BED6; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AmZbeh56mZiwtaGGyo0DIl3WuOg+khHn0+mD/QipNogvAQk/J5IwbkY/IxbvNVd1HH2qNIuKVh+jd6+zeNvASOWFXj1M0djJ0GggJYSBjEjPatpGpY3W0Hhgl82pNB9OySqDWxd4gdd3qqtloUathuUje1ZS0tMQt3QBr0Dvmwk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060706172505.35489.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060706172505.35489.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:30:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <65E_l.A.T9D.RcVrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:31:45 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 6, 2006, at 19:25, mark sottilaro wrote: > One fun thing you can do with the Repeater is switch > it from MIDI sync to Beat Detect and just try to knock > it off balance with your playing. It's like playing > with a drunk looper. Oh yes - that's great fun! (miss my 'peater... sob, sniff...) > rune fagereng wrote: >> Thanks ! >> I am into this Norwegian guitarist Eivind Aarset, and have seen >> him live a lot. His drummer plays loops on a mac along with his >> drumming. And Aarset makes loops and themes on the repeater. I >> have seen his rig, and I havent seen any midi connections. I think he taps the tempo on the Repeater with some foot pedal. I mean; Why MIDI sync? What should he sync to when his buddies are human musicians! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 18:35:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748563BEDE; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:37:01 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: FlyLooper & market potential In-reply-to: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB602@keel.sailpoint.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c6a12b$2c0b6dd0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:35:01 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FlyLooper & market potential > > > > From: Buzap Buzap > > > The average guitar player gigs at home, where their PC lives. > > > > This is exactly the audience I have in mind!! > > So, if you have a "out-of-the-box" package that comes with > > plug&play USB foot controller and nice software (maybe add > > some free plugin effects?), all together for 80,- USD/EUR, > > hell, I would go out and buy one immediately, just out of curiosity. > > Sure. Does anyone here think you can make an interesting > profit on a hardware/software product selling for $80?. This > is a footswitch we're talking about, something people stand > on and spill beer on. Build quality will have to be higher > than your average M-Audio desktop controller like the Trigger Finger. > I barely think that you can make an "interesting" profit on multimedia software alone that sells for under $100. Tech support on multimedia issues will eat you alive, at least if you're on the Windows platform. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 18:37:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AE133BECD; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: Cello Loop Gig Spam.. Dots and Beyond! Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:36:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Server-Quench: 6891111e-0d1e-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZFU0Gll1 UkhJREJTHQ9rBxYE D1AcVgdwdRtFf2Bx ZkZ9XHVZWVt6Ox17 RDcFUDABZW5nbGMZ HkFZdAAadgtDfx5E awViVCcMNHgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV20GGjo7 DzQFGi1nMkwKDx4r JhlgbBYwG1oKekw0 PRMLVEMfNRNbYlZB X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.55/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <7RnNH.A.wTE.MhVrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Hullo again.... I'm opening next week for two great artists: The Legendary Pink Dots and Kid Beyond. Pink Dots show is in Portland on July 10th and Kid Beyond is in San Francisco on July 13th. The LPD are indeed legendary..in case you were wondering. They're on their 25th anniversary tour, and the SF event is Kid Beyond's CD release party. I would be going to these shows even if I weren't on the bill....but I guess no one other than me will be able to attend both! July 10th - Berbati' Pan in Portland Legendary Pink Dots, me, Plants http://www.legendarypinkdots.org/ July 13th - Slims in San Francisco Kid Beyond, Shotgun Wedding Quintet, me http://www.kidbeyond.com See a couple of you?? best, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 19:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 772443BECD; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3150CDBE-E4F5-473A-AA79-11A163412B85@sonosphere.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: CD release: The Dream of 'I' Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:12:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - megs15.100mwh.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sonosphere.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:12:53 +0000 (UTC) My new CD, The Dream of 'I', is now available directly from my web site, CD Baby, and the iTunes store. It's instrumental music somewhere in between classical and electronic/ ambient with a few rock/pop tracks. It was conceived as a keyboard extravaganza, but the live string quartet, drum kit, (wordless) vocals and more turned it into something else. While I have a big warm fuzzy spot in my heart for live looping, the looping content on the album is a bit minimal; a couple of loop-based tracks didn't make the cut. One track (Implications) is based on an improv with piano and an ambient loop that was transposed on the fly (using Augustus Loop). I stumbled on a tempo where the loop somehow lined up with a click (despite the loop being in 11/8 over 4/4). Another (Artifacts and Fantasies) has a Repeater-built loop that appears in the beginning and end. Thanks for the bandwidth :-P Doug -- Doug Wyatt http://www.dougwyatt.net/ ^ music The Dream of 'I' CD now available! http://www.dougwyatt.net/TheDreamOfI/Instruments/ ^ interactive synth museum http://www.sonosphere.com/ ^ and more From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 19:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACDD13BEDC; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:44:11 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: RC-50: FIRST IMPRESSIONS To: Buzap Buzap , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002401c6a134$a926c720$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060706135313.183860@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Excellent writing! Post this on the Loopers Delight web page under "Tools of the Trade!" dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 21:14:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5F303BEE2; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060706171445.w48r96o7wg08gcwc@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:14:45 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper References: <20060706074547.93510.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060706172505.35489.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a780607061054o27ced782sc05e497463ee6780@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780607061054o27ced782sc05e497463ee6780@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Hey Todd, Thanks for telling me to check out the behringer fcb1010 yahoo group, I downloaded that little program to edit the footpedal settings and it worked like a charm. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Quoting Todd Pafford : > Yeah, you can do that with your audience too. :) > > Nothing like getting everyone in the room grooving to a funky 4/4 then > knocking 'em over with a few strategically placed measures of 5, 7, > 9, or 11. I love the ones that soldier on either not knowing or not > caring that they're completely off the beat. And you can always spot > the musicians in the audience....they're the ones smiling. > > Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 22:11:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45F33BEDC; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yhfYTUJw5fB6hubAkmkaobtievRgsYZ630u0st96kPNuotz5bJgaHfDSV/hZCwdOoMuxMTw3n117Qn/sth/GCJaK3ClWct1vTXNURQgM2grAbUDecDUGrzGAXIWJYiZAWGQVo15hplPW4Mfje5pJnkuvPTURPa38hOi4FZuM6+Y= ; Message-ID: <20060706221136.51435.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Cello Loop Gig Spam.. Dots and Beyond! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Then I shall see you there! Funny, I used to be in the band that opened for the Pink Dots at Slims on the first. (Big City Orchestra - noise) but I kind of drifted away from them when I left Alameda. I wondered what those kids were up to... --- Zoe Keating wrote: > Hullo again.... > > I'm opening next week for two great artists: The > Legendary Pink Dots > and Kid Beyond. > > Pink Dots show is in Portland on July 10th and Kid > Beyond is in San > Francisco on July 13th. The LPD are indeed > legendary..in case you > were wondering. They're on their 25th anniversary > tour, and the SF > event is Kid Beyond's CD release party. I would be > going to these > shows even if I weren't on the bill....but I guess > no one other than > me will be able to attend both! > > July 10th - Berbati' Pan in Portland > Legendary Pink Dots, me, Plants > http://www.legendarypinkdots.org/ > > July 13th - Slims in San Francisco > Kid Beyond, Shotgun Wedding Quintet, me > http://www.kidbeyond.com > > See a couple of you?? best, Zoe > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 22:13:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32A8E3BEE8; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LY5kHkWR2g5Ryhjzb9muGV6hqEqCmGSkENKEDfOCR8RjDqS4/XHQAvT/upuYcvOuAyXxl27g1FdqCajCRZuy+MS8SCM2W9ypuJ92tu8MccR9hfkr19p3xzAi+WUejV0cxW1JvrurLGLxS+QuPMs8jbgJoLdfSFn6gqg7sMNorbI= Message-ID: <64b81a780607061512v4bbfda7clbde0fb40d6802c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:12:58 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper In-Reply-To: <20060706171445.w48r96o7wg08gcwc@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060706074547.93510.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060706172505.35489.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a780607061054o27ced782sc05e497463ee6780@mail.gmail.com> <20060706171445.w48r96o7wg08gcwc@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Glad to help. :) Todd On 7/6/06, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Hey Todd, > > Thanks for telling me to check out the behringer fcb1010 yahoo group, I > downloaded that little program to edit the footpedal settings and it worked > like a charm. > > Paul Haslem > > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > > > Quoting Todd Pafford : > > > Yeah, you can do that with your audience too. :) > > > > Nothing like getting everyone in the room grooving to a funky 4/4 then > > knocking 'em over with a few strategically placed measures of 5, 7, > > 9, or 11. I love the ones that soldier on either not knowing or not > > caring that they're completely off the beat. And you can always spot > > the musicians in the audience....they're the ones smiling. > > > > Todd > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 6 22:41:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B96B3BEE8; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016e01c6a14d$46673340$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <20060706135313.183860@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-50: FIRST IMPRESSIONS Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:41:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: <-CriiC.A.zxF.GGZrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Exellent review!! I'm having fun with my RC-50 and hope to have it on a gig next week! Keep in mind, i'm a regular vox and guitar singer songwriter, not an ambient instrumentalist guy so it's been interesting figuring out how to integrate this unit into my live act! Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:53 AM Subject: RC-50: FIRST IMPRESSIONS > Hi Loopers > > I've received my RC-50 and have been playing with it. Here are my... > > FIRST IMPRESSIONS > =================== > > GENERAL LOOK & FEEL > Looks & feels rock solid. I like the red color, reminds me of the Sony DDII Walkman in the 80ies... :-) Pedals are bit too heavy to press, at least for looping. But I guess I can get used to that. Great to have so many inputs (Aux, ,Mic, Line) and also outputs! (main out + subout). Little strange thing: all my other gear is using Left channel for mono, RC-50 is using right channel. Not important though. What is really nice: buttons, knobs are really accessible. No triple-shift buttons etc. The screen display is bright and alphanumeric, no cryptic numbers. > > PLAYING THE BUILT-IN PHRASES > This is really where you see the marketing strength of Roland/Boss: They have some really nice and catchy patches installed on the first five slots. They are really cleverly addressing a large audience (not looping geeks like LD people ;-). I can imagine a guitar player stomping on the pedals and jamming on top of the pre-recorded loops. Actually, this is also what the RC-50 is addressing: it's less the avantgarde ambient musician but rather the main-stream guitarist who get's a nice play-along looper (but feel free to prove me wrong ;-). The sound quality is really superb, btw. Nice uncompressed CD-quality. (Somehow, _their_ demo patches do sound ok when changing tempo - unlike the "barbling effect" on tempo shifts experienced by people with their own loops, later on that). > Just some BASICS ahead: > PHRASE = what people would usually call a loop. The RC-50 can play 3 of them in parallel (multi mode) or sequentially (single mode). > PATCH= A set of three phrases - along with it's settings - is called a patch. > > LITTLE ANNOYING THINGS IN THE BEGINNING > If you want to play say PHRASE2, it's not enough to just press the pedal PHRASE2. Rather, you _select_ the Phrase you want to play/record/overdub and then you press the PLAY/REC/OD (overdub) pedal to really trigger. A bit contrary to my intiution: would have preferred the other way round: i.e. having one pedal to select the mode (Play>Stop, Record>Play, Record>Overdub) and 3xPhrase pedals triggering the rec/play/overdub. Another annoying thing is the "greenish yellow" overdub light which we will discuss later. The next totally confusing thing is the handling of time. > > TIME SETTINGS ON THE RC-50 > The first loops I've recorded, I was thinking "wait a minute, the loop is badly lagging behind". Then I realized I'd have to tweak with the time settings of the RC-50. Mind you: even though I've read ALL instructions days before carefully, I still found it confusing. How many musicians actually read the whole manual before using their gear? Some people reviewing the RC-50 complain that it has "latency of 1-2 seconds". I cannot imagine this to be true (though I haven't tested everything carefully yet). I suspect this is due to the time settings that are VERY complex. > So, here are the TIME SETTING TERMINOLOGY of the RC-50: > LOOP SYNC: When turning on loop sync, all loops start & stop at the same time, exactly the same length > LOOP QUANTIZE: Quantize according to Guide (approximates the quantized point, works really nice) > PATCH TEMPO: Is sort of the "global" tempo, you can set it with knob or tap tempo > GUIDE TEMPO: is the same as the patch tempo > PHRASE TEMPO (ORIGINAL): Each phrase can have it's own tempo > TEMPO SYNC: You can sync each phrase to the patch tempo > PHRASE TEMPO (REAL): can be either original phrase tempo or i.e. with tempo sync the patch tempo > GUIDE VOLUME LEVEL: The guide volume is not only important for the volume level but also defines if the guide is on or OFF. This is important for Loop Quantize (off: no loop quantize possible) or setting the Patch Tempo (off: first loop determines patch tempo). > It _is_ a bit complex in the beginning, right? ;-) > Btw, I didn't notice any hiccup (then again, I attribute all errors to myself currently ;-). The only thing I've noticed is that when you shift from REC to PLAY, it doesn't playback immediately but will be there on the next loop. No problem for me, though. > > MY FIRST LOOP: BLUES IN SINGLE MODE > Ok befor we get into stuff that doesn't work or is hard to accomplish - here is a little introduction to fast, first success. So, by now you might have realized that time settings are complicated. > So, this is my first successful loop: > - Connected & set all inputs/outputs I need > - Scroll forward until I have a patch that has not been recorded yet (i.e. 10) > - Turn off ALL time settings, that is: > - Turn off the GUIDE VOLUME knob all the way down to OFF > (even if it's down: check it again, because switching patches could give it a different default value) > - Turn off LOOP SYNC > - For each Phrase(1-3): Turn off Temp Sync > - From this point on, I don't need to care about any tempo features or tap tempo bugging me > - Choose SINGLE MODE (watch that loop sync is still turned off) > OK, and now we go: I choose PHRASE1 and press the PLAY/REC/OD pedal. Recording some blues on the keyboard for a round. Now it's time for the B-Part: I press PHRASE2 pedal and I'm recording B-Part blues piano on PHRASE2. Pressing the PLAY/REC/OD pedal again puts me in loop playback - PHRASE2 only. Now it's time for some overdubs: I press PLAY/REC/OD again and overdub some vocals. (Eeeeehhh..... am I really overdubbing? see more on that later). Yes it works! :-) Nice quality. And now, back to PHRASE1, some overdubbing. And just for the heck: a C-Part on PHRASE3, why not? Ok so far, this was really fun and easy. I think I will use this feature more in future for some live jamming. > > let's get back to... > THE YELLOWISH GREEN BULB & GREENISH YELLOW BULB (PLAYBACK/OVERDUB) > One of the most unfortunate "features" (along with barbling tempo sync, lack of loop decay... etc) is the light bulb on the RECORD/PLAY/OVERDUB pedal. > RED BULB: means RECORD. So far, so good. > "GREEN" BULB: means PLAY. However, this is more of a "YELLOWISH GREEN" bulb. > "YELLOW" BULB: means OVERDUB. However, this is more of a "GREENISH YELLOW" bulb. > So, I feel pretty stupid during overdubs because I wonder: "Am I really overdubbing or just wasting my time?". I guess I might develop more confidence after a while. > > MY SECOND LOOP: ORIENTAL 9/8 RYHTYHM WITH TEMPO GUIDE > Now, you might remember that Roland advertised the RC-50, boasting it's hundreds of rhythm patterns. I first thought, "what a gimmick". But after playing around with them a bit, I find them quite useful: If you turn up GUIDE VOLUME knob and press START GUIDE button, you will here some rhythm. Pressing the GUIDE EDIT and moving through the parameters, you can define the meter. And yet - you can even play 13/8 or 7/8 if you like :-))) After choosing the meter, you can tap the tempo you like or define the tempo by turning the knob. (Unfortunately, tempo is defined like i.e. 126,7 but manually you can only set [as far as I've actually discovered] 1-beat-steps rather than 1/10-beat-steps. This is bad for defining tempo later on. Also, turning on tempo sync during playback doesn't seem to work, but that's another story). Then you can pick one of various tasteful rhythm patterns. AND THEY ARE REALLY NICE! I mean, the first thing I often loop is something like a hi-hat or bass/snare drum. So, the RC-50 provides you with a good sounding, minimalist hi-hat or basic drum pattern that will not obscure your music - unlike that annoying tick-tack-tack-tack of most sequencers... :-) I was remember a jazz pianist who was fiddling around with an RC-20 during a jazz concert - and suddenly his metronome went on... tick-tack-tack-tack... > So, the GUIDE has been the most positive real surprise so far on the RC-50 to me. I think I will really use the simple Hihat2 for synced loops. > So this is what I did: > - Choose a new patch and turn all the temp sync etc. stuff off > - Set up the GUIDE properly, turning the GUIDE VOLUME up > - Switch to MULTI MODE (stiill make sure that the damn loop sync is turned off ;-) > - Check that the LOOP QUANTIZE light is turned on when I choose a phrase > And there we go: Let the GUIDE play 9/8 ryhthm (HiHat2) and play some oriental darbuka for 1 bar on PHRASE1. > Overdub additional percussion on PHRASE1. > At this point, it is convenient to turn down the GUIDE VOLUME because I have enough percussion orientation with my own loops. > However this is IMPORTANT: do NOT turn the GUIDE completely down to OFF. Rather, leave at least on "2". Otherwise, the LOOP QUANTIZE will not work! > > By the way > LOOP QUANTIZE > is really, really very nice :-) I have been so annoyed with Ableton Live on this: Let's say the exact loop point is 13,2seconds. > RC-50: If you press PLAY/REC/OD pedal somewhere around 13,2seconds (i.e. 12,8sec or 13,6sec) the loop will be quantized to the exact point 13,2sec. > ABLETON: Whereas in Ableton Live, hitting the button on i.e. 12,8sec would result in perfect loop with 13,2seconds but if you are just a little bit too late (i..e 13,6sec), then you end up waiting until you get to the 26,4sec point. > This works really nice on RC-50 :-) > So, now I move on to PHRASE2 and record some additional patterns over 2 bars and some 8 bar melody on PHRASE 3. Needless to say, all the phrases are in perfect sync :-))) This is really fun. :-)) > I was first a bit disappointed that there is no "multiply" command. However, with the three phrases in MULTI MODE and LOOP SYNC, I think I can live with that. > Another comment on > LOOP QUANTIZE > In MULTI MODE, if you don't want to use a GUIDE but still have three PHRASES in sync. You can turn off all tempo settings (including Guide) but just turn on TEMPO SYNC for all three phrases. (Make sure it's a "fresh" patch, though!). In this case, the first phrase defines the PATCH TEMPO. When you select the next loops for recording, LOOP QUANTIZE light should light up. And there you go: Record three loops in perfect sync :-) > But: DON'T EVER MESS WITH THE TEMPO. You (or at last I ;-) will not be able to get back to your original tempo. So, in order to avoid this, the best thing is to re-assign the TEMPO PEDAL with a different function (i.e. CURRENT PHRASE REVERSE, OVERDUB MODE, ...). > > Then, I'd like to push things farther and do some > SWITCHING BETWEEN PHRASES > Actually, when I first read about the RC-50, my hope was to be able to use it much like the "scenes" in Ableton Live: That means you have set of loops (RC-50: 3 phrases) you are playing simultaneously (RC-50: phrases in multi mode) and you want to another set of loops (RC-50: patch). So... this works... kind of.... but not the way I had in mind.... So, the first thing - if you have your nice set of 3 phrases prepared and you want to had off for variations is to > first WRITE PATCH: if you don't write your patch, your loops will be gone after moving to another phrase. > second COPY PATCH: ideally, to the next slot, so you are able to use it as a basis. > And here comes the first disappointment: IN ORDER TO WRITE PATCHES, YOU NEED TO STOP ALL PLAYBACK :-( So that means, if you want to do this during live performance, you have to bounce your loop to a second looping device (or long delay) before you can stop the RC-50. Not nice - I'll see if it will work practically. > So, in order to SWITCH PHRASES you have to keep the TAP TEMPO pedal (or was it the STOP pedal? I always keep mixing that up - the other is actually clearing your phrase, so be careful ;-)) pressed for >2 seconds. Then you are able to switch to the next/previous phrase using the first two pedals. Does it start playing the second phrase immediately? No, you have actually to choose a phrase/press play to really play the second patch (I haven't figured out yet what it is doing really exactly there). So this is the second disappointment: Switching between patches seems not to be a press-just-one-button thing. It would be actually great to swtich between patches (= set of phrases) just like you switch between phrases in the single mode. Instead it seems to take about 4 pedal pushes to get going at least. But maybe this process can be optimized. > So, here the third disappointment: Pressing PHRASE2+PHRASE3 together when switching to a new patch doesn't seem to start all 3 phrases at the same time. Again, maybe it is just me. At least on work-around is to set all three phrases to START SIMULTANEOUSLY (this is a default patch setting), then if you start one, all will start together. > Again, over time, I might find a better to optimize this. > > Ok, now let's look at the two most concerning aspects of the RC-50: Loop Decay (or lack thereof) and barbling tempo changes. > > LOOP DECAY > is not available. Period. There is something called FADE OUT. However, I'd not like to disappoint you: fade out only means that when pressing STOP, the loop will be faded out instead of stopping abruptly. But his is just for stop and has nothing to do with decaying loops. > Just a hint concerning TERMINOLOGY: LOOP DECAY vs. DELAY FEEDBACK > While historically "feedback" may be a very common term, I think using "loop decay" might be a better term in this context,. For example, if you want to convince Roland to put in that feature in a future "RC-50XL", they might be more open to the idea of "loop decay" rather than "delay feedback" - which would help them to keep their Looper distinctly apart from their effect units. Just my thought on this. (don't want to discuss this here any further). > Back to FADE OUT, I think you can still use it in some creative way - especially keeping in mind you have three PHRASES that you can let FADE OUT one after another, retrigger etc. > > BARBLING "EFFECT" WITH TEMPO SHIFT > Yes this is by far the BIGGEST - the BIGGGEST - disappointment is this: When you record a loop and you play it at any other tempo rather than it's original tempo you will get a "barbling sound" (a bit like flanger) that will make your loop sound really cheap (much worse than low sampling rate). This has horrible effects (pun) if you want to: > - use TAP TEMPO to playback your loops along with the tempo of the band > - record several phrases of various length and TEMPO SYNC them > - use the RC-50 as a MIDI SYNC SLAVE to another unit. > There is _no_ half/double tempo button btw, playing half/double speed sounds just as bad. > I was actually not so disappointed because I've heard of this "feature" before getting my RC-50. So the work -around is I guess to > - _always_ use the RC-50 as MIDI MASTER > - _always_ use the same exact same tempo for all phrases of a patch (in multi mode) > - _never_ change the tempo of the patch > (I would even recommend reconfiguring the TEMPO pedal with something else like i.e. CURRENT PHRASE REVERSE) > - be _very_ careful with all your timing setttings (see above) > There is still some hope though: The "barbling effect" didn't sound so bad with some phrases and worse with others. It would be worthwhile investigating which sounds are more resistant to tempo shift (possibly rhythm sounds or sounds with no vibrato?). If you can optimize it, you could at least find some sounds that will work for tempo shift. It might be also well investigating if certain frequency ranges are less affected or if adding i.e. some distortion to the original sound might disguise the effect. > > Something about > MIDI & FOOT CONTROL > Suppose you have a Behringer Footcontroller. As far as I can understand, you will be able to use two MIDI expression/volume pedals, i.e. for CURRENT PHRASE VOLUME & CURRENT PHRASE PAN. However, concerning your MIDI footswitches, there will be just ONE command. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you'll just be able to use ONE footswitch on your WHOLE MIDI board, assigned to ONE RC-50 command only! This is actually really a joke... To be fair: I haven't tested any external pedals, so I might be wrong on certain issues like this (let's hope...) > There is some good news for FOOT PEDALS though: You can add 4 more additional regular footswitches to the RC-50. Plus: re-assign the TEMPO and UNDO pedal (though I would really think twice about removing the UNDO...). This would give you a pedal with 7+4=11 pedals which is not bad either. > > > SUMMARY > So to sum it up, if you can live with restrictions (no loop decay, time-shift problems), the RC-50 is really a GREAT unit that seems a lot of fun and that I will be using a lot. It really does have a LOT OF FEATURES like: > - 3 CD-quality stereo phrases, > - really nice LOOP QUANTIZE > - really big memory (24 minutes CDquality Stereo) > - "some" MIDI support, > - download/upload of loops via USB, > - useful GUIDE (useful sounds and odd meters), > - robust hardware > - lot of inputs/outputs > - and: everything is in a NICE COMPACT 7 PEDAL BOARD. > It might of course not replace a tool like several EDPs or a Looperlative (except compact design & memory). Yet, I think there is still a lot of depth that can be explored, i.e. using foot switches/MIDI pedals for controlling stuff, using the SUB OUTPUT to send a specific phrase to an effect board... etc. Another useful aspect (that has nothing to do with looping though ;-) is to prepare some background tracks on your computer, put them on the RC-50 via USB and play on stage to your background tracks. I think esp. people who are looking for "band in a box" like features might be attracted to it. > > As for future product releases, by just adding some minor improvements like decent real-time tempo shift and loop decay (also more midi support and maybe multiply command etc) RC-50 would become even more attractive and make also "hard-core-loopers" happy. Roland/Boss has proven that they can learn based on the improvements from RC-20 over RC-20XL to RC-50. A future "RC-50XL" could really become a killer looper. > > Personally, I'm quite new to this forum and not so experienced with various loopers. So you may need to judge for yourself if the RC-50 is something for you. Thinking about the affordable price, I would definitely recommend the RC-50 due to all the features you get in such a compact format. I believe with experience, we might still find more useful ways how to operate the RC-50. > The most important aspect to me: I'm really having a lot of FUN with this box!! :-)) > > Buzap > > Links: > RC-50 Manual: http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index_alpha.html > RC-50 Homepage: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/index.html > -- > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 01:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 950E23BEE4; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:18:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlists for June, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44ADB673.7060108@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <16uXb.A.EeF.xbbrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 01:20:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing catch up. Wow, it's been a busy month!! http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060601.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060608.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060615.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060622.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060629.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #479 June 1, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I utarted a month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Diminishing Light" on Blue Water Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Grun" by Konrad Schnitzler on Block Records and released in 1981. Palancar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Konrad Schnitzler Bis Die Blaue Blume Grun (Block) Bluht Mark Jenkins The Stone Live in the USA (AMP) VA[Synthetic Block] In Transit electro-music 2006 (electro-music) Food for Fantasy The Spirit of Freedom The Secret of Dreamin' (Spheric) Saul Stokes Lighthaus Vast (The Foundry) Sunya Beat Drum and Bond The Jelenia Gora Sessions (Ricochet Dream) Klaus Schulze Welcome to the Moog Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Brothers Klaus Schulze Vocs in the Dark I Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Vocs in the Dark II * Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Palancar Beginning Again Diminishing Light (Blue Water) Palancar How It Feels Diminishing Light (Blue Water) Palancar Concergent Lines Diminishing Light (Blue Water) Palancar Ethnogenic Diminishing Light (Blue Water) Palancar Taputji Diminishing Light (Blue Water) Palancar Crayons and Pillowcases Diminishing Light (Blue Water) Palancar Pale Afterbirth Diminishing Light (Blue Water) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Causality." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Seastones" by Ned Lagin on Round Records and released in 1975. ============== Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #480 June 8, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Causality." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Seastones" by Ned Lagin on Round Records and released in 1975. Palancar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Binar Bride of Spankenstein Spindragons (Ricochet Dream) VA [Saul Stokes] Darcy's Charismatic The Gatherings Vol. 2 (CIMA of PA) Proton Steve Jolliffe Komarno * Poland (Ricochet Dream) Thomas Fanger Jungle Bar Parlez-vous electronique? (Manikin) Robert Rich and Geode Lithosphere (DiN) Ian Boddy 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Robert Rich and Stone Lithosphere (DiN) Ian Boddy Palancar Aleph Point Causality (none) Palancar Abyssal Plain Causality (none) Palancar Stratified Time Causality (none) Palancar Chronique Causality (none) Palancar Sky River (Rising Star Causality (none) Edit) Palancar Causal Flow Causality (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Broadcasts." The Vinyl Starter will be preempted by a live, in-studio concert by the Ministry of Inside Things. ============== Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #481 June 15, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Broadcasts." The Vinyl Starter was preempted by a live, in-studio concert by the Ministry of Inside Things. Ministry of Inside Things - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/concerts/020620-moit Palancar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== The Ministry of Inside Ricodub Live in-studio concert Things MoIT Mono Lite Live in-studio concert MoIT Space Patrol Live in-studio concert MoIT Gematrial Live in-studio concert MoIT Guitar String Theory Live in-studio concert MoIT Stone Garden Live in-studio concert MoIT Beloved Live in-studio concert 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Palancar Beneath Heavens Broadcasts (none) Palancar Visible Only In Shadows Broadcasts (none) Palancar Obscured Broadcasts (none) Palancar Hymn for the Ache Broadcasts (none) Palancar Immaterial Broadcasts (none) Palancar The Exalted * Broadcasts (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Elysium Planitia." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Pergamon" by Tangerine Dream on Caroline Records and released in 1986. ============== Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon Count Community College. Show #482 June 22, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Elysium Planitia" on Blue Water Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pergamon" by Tangerine Dream on Caroline Records and released in 1986. Palancar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Tangerine Dream Quichotte Part I * Pergamon (Caroline) E=motion Impulse Telepath (none) VA [Thomas Fanger] Velvet Beach E-dition #12 (Groove) Klaus Schulze Dzien dobry! Dziekuje Poland Live '83 (Revisited) The Ministry of Inside Nightscene Contact Point (Synkronos) Things Jaroslaw Degorski Megatanika Organix (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Palancar abalos undae Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Palancar cydonia mensae Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Palancar elysium mons Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Palancar Aurem chaos Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Palancar valles marineris Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Palancar noctis labyrinthus Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Palancar hellas planitia Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) Palancar olympus mons Elysium Planitia (Blue Water) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Momerath" disc one (of two) on Blue Water records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "These Things Happen" by David Van Tieghem on Warner Brothers Records and released in 1984. ============== Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. Show #483 June 29, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Momerath" disc one (of two) on Blue Water records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "These Things Happen" by David Van Tieghem on Warner Brothers Records and released in 1984. Palancar - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== David Van Tirghem Number One These Things Happen (Warner Brothers) Create Signs of Life Biospherical Imagery (Groove) VA [Steve Roach] Approaching Kata Tjula Chasing the Dawn: Ultima Thule Ambient Volume 01 Johan Timman Trip Into the Body Trip Into the Boady (Groove) E=Motion Sea Explorer Hypnotic Sequences (none) Dan Barrio Sheath of Bliss This Physical World (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Palancar Martin, Son of Arthur Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar Children of Earth, Dogs Momerath disc one (Blue Water) of War Palancar Noach Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar Dyad Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar Anti-em Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar Ariel Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar Volumetric Field Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar Tar Baby Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar The Extraordinary Burn Momerath disc one (Blue Water) of Hatred Palancar A Special Time Momerath disc one (Blue Water) Palancar Cornflower Momerath disc one (Blue Water) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Evolving Visions." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Snowflakes Are Dancing" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1974. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 04:03:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A41D3BEDF; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 04:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [70.242.58.121] Message-ID: <44ADDCF1.6010305@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:02:57 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Circular Logic temp tracker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-2, 07/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 04:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Is anybody on this list using this: http://www.circular-logic.com/index.html If so, what equipment/software are you using it with, and how do you like it? --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 05:02:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C2833BEE0; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060706214603.01a6f480@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:02:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Circular Logic temp tracker In-Reply-To: <44ADDCF1.6010305@infinivert.com> References: <44ADDCF1.6010305@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:02:55 +0000 (UTC) At 09:02 PM 7/6/2006, Josh wrote: >Is anybody on this list using this: >http://www.circular-logic.com/index.html >If so, what equipment/software are you using it with, and how do you like it? This product is the killer app that could make me ditch my EDP for a laptop. Good eye, Josh! Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 07:59:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4DD93BEE0; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:59:25 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB602@keel.sailpoint.com> Message-ID: <20060707075925.59550@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB602@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: RE: FlyLooper & market potential To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi > Sure. Does anyone here think you can make an interesting > profit on a hardware/software product selling for $80?. Well, I was actually thinking of something with medium quality components, not "built like a tank". But I guess you have to come up with something really cool to justify prices for hardware. Like, I think these HW controllers are REALLY cool: - monome: http://monome.org/ - Lemur: http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 09:39:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9AEE3BEE0; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ha3Ri2AjApitpRpBlVTaDjOHZyvkc81xF9gLhghz13IQYJsgS1GesYIXPSUnuIw4E+ixvtLCr96hmXlatzlu9M4vKiK4LW+yDP9XRdywVs3NfGTzCi0s1JhrjmHM+4yDcvaayzcBH5p+UheTOqKB10hYKq07PgY+M6b1f5UI4aI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 05:39:42 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:39:44 +0000 (UTC) I have decided to drop the price a bit on my black face EDP I bought last year. It has one minor scratch on the top. It is in perfect working condition. EDP+, Loop IV, Full memory, comes with manual and the optional Gibson foot controller. Now asking only $600. I am in the NYC area. -Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 12:01:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3573BED8; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.242.82.227] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4399.128.193.37.230.1151688253.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: loop quantization question Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 08:01:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2006 12:01:06.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[06C19A80:01C6A1BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:01:09 +0000 (UTC) just wanted to check .... with loop quantization on the RC50 (or any other looper), once you set loop quantization (as below .. say to 13.2 seconds) .... you cannot then record a loop exactly twice as long can you? ie 26.4 seconds ?? or three, four, five times as long ? I know I sound like a salesman here .. but that is the whole reason I created my program ..... so I really want to make sure that it is a feature that is non-existant in the market so far ... that and loop independence are my main selling points. I also got a patent ... and I want to make sure I don't run into the "prior art" argument ..... i.e. someone has a patent for that already. I just find it hard to believe nobody would have thought to make a phrase sampler that allows for longer and shorter syncronized loops. Notice that Kid Beyond has Ableton rigged up to do it (I think .. it could just be some tricky editing .. or a short enough clip that you dont notice the loops becoming undone)... but other than that .... I haven't seen it anywhere. lemme know -- Aaron >By the way >LOOP QUANTIZE >is really, really very nice :-) I have been so annoyed with Ableton Live on this: Let's say the exact loop point is 13,2seconds. >RC-50: If you press PLAY/REC/OD pedal somewhere around 13,2seconds (i.e. 12,8sec or 13,6sec) the loop will be quantized to the exact point 13,2sec. >ABLETON: Whereas in Ableton Live, hitting the button on i.e. 12,8sec would result in perfect loop with 13,2seconds but if you are just a little bit too late (i..e 13,6sec), then you end up waiting until you get to the 26,4sec point. >This works really nice on RC-50 :-) _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. 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Joshua Joshua Morin Artist/Songwriter Indie-Rock music with a story http://www=2Ejoshuamorin=2Ecom http://www=2Emyspace=2Ecom/joshuamorin joshua@joshuamorin=2Ecom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 13:28:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2D53BEEC; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: RE: loop quantization question Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c6a1c9$421245b0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5WIkNC.A.AfD.HGmrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:28:40 +0000 (UTC) > just wanted to check .... with loop quantization on the RC50 (or any = other > looper), once you set loop quantization (as below .. say to 13.2 = seconds) > .... you cannot then record a loop exactly twice as long can you? ie = 26.4 > seconds ?? or three, four, five times as long ? IIRC, on the RC-20, loop quantization happens at measure boundaries. = So, for example, if you have 4 beats/measure at 120 beats/minute, then each measure takes 2 seconds, and the length of a quantized loop can be any multiple of 2 seconds. So if you record something that takes 15.8 = seconds, it will insert 0.2 seconds of space before repeating it. So if my recollection is correct, and I have understood your question correctly, the answer to your question is yes: You can record a loop = exactly twice as long as your quantization setting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 14:08:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D76D43BECC; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.50.112] Message-ID: <44AE6ADA.1030305@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:08:26 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Circular Logic temp tracker References: <44ADDCF1.6010305@infinivert.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060706214603.01a6f480@TheNettles.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060706214603.01a6f480@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-3, 07/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <3EV1MD.A.b_E.drmrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:08:29 +0000 (UTC) I think it could control your EDP too. You'd just have to run a laptop in the mix as well. Of course, if you go to a laptop, you can run Mobius and have something like 8 stereo EDPs running at once... And Mobius will also play nice with your existing EDP. --Josh Kevin wrote: > At 09:02 PM 7/6/2006, Josh wrote: >> Is anybody on this list using this: >> http://www.circular-logic.com/index.html >> If so, what equipment/software are you using it with, and how do you >> like it? > > This product is the killer app that could make me ditch my EDP for a > laptop. Good eye, Josh! > > Cheers, > Kevin > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 14:17:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F373BEE0; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: loop quantization question Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:17:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:17:57 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 7, 2006, at 7:01 AM, aaron leese wrote: > I just find it hard to believe nobody would have thought to make a > phrase sampler that allows for longer and shorter syncronized loops. > Notice that Kid Beyond has Ableton rigged up to do it (I think .. it > could just be some tricky editing .. or a short enough clip that you > dont notice the loops becoming undone)... but other than that .... I > haven't seen it anywhere. You haven't looked very hard. You've been able to create parallel loops of different lengths using several synchronized hardware devices for years. Go research "brother sync" on the EDP. You have been able to do it on the Looperlative since it became available in January. You can do it with any hardware loopers that support MIDI sync. Go download Mobius, www.zonemobius.com. It does everything Flylooper does, except maybe "scratch", plus about a thousand other things. So does SooperLooper. Brew a pot of coffee and read the Max/MSP manual, people have been using it for synchronized loops for many years. There are probably others, I don't pay much attention to products that don't specifically bill themselves as "loopers" but there may be more "DJ" oriented programs that are more focused on recording and triggering clips than doing heavy mutation of the loops like most loopers allow. In Mobius, there are a variety of ways it can accomplish "longer and shorter synchronized loops". 1) Track Sync The start and end points of a track recording can be quantized to a division of the master loop. The divisions include: loop - the full loop cycle - a subdivision of the loop, created when you multiply subcycle - a subdivision of the cycle, specified by the user, it can be any positive integer divisor So in the really simple case, set TrackSync to Loop. Record a loop in track one, it becomes the master track. Move to track two, press Record. The start of the recording will be delayed until the master track reaches its start point. Record as long as you want, the end of the recording will also be quantized to the start point of the master track, allowing you to create any multiple of the master track. Using Cycle and SubCycle you can create synchronized tracks that are shorter than the master track. Either exact divisions, or partial divisions that will go out of phase but eventually return. 2) MIDI Sync Fire up a drum machine or sequencer and send MIDI clocks into Mobius. Using various sync modes that are to complicated to describe here, you can quantize the start/stop of any recording to a MIDI beat (24 clocks) or "bar" which is a user definable number of beats. 3) VST Host Sync Similar to MIDI sync, but it gets the beat & bar locations from the VST host, such as Ableton Live, Audio Mulch, etc. 4) Track Copy Timing There are several methods to create an empty track whose length is identical to another track. You can then begin overdubbing into the new track using a function called "multiply" to create one or more multiplies of the original size. There are also "instant multiply" functions that will immediately make the track 2, 3, or 4 times as long. To make the new track shorter, there are techniques to splice out a section of the track at precise quantization boundaries. 5) Bounce Recording Oh, I'm running out of steam. You can read about it if you want. It can accomplish something similar to Track Sync. 5) Scripts All loop manipulation functions can be performed in user written scripts. Functions may be performed at specific times with sample accuracy. Very complex copies, multiplications, divisions, can be implemented and performed instantly with one button press. > I also got a patent ... and > I want to make sure I don't run into the "prior art" argument ..... > i.e. someone has a patent for that already. Really, can you be more specific about what you think it is you "invented"? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 14:27:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3EE33BEE6; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.50.112] Message-ID: <44AE6F67.5020300@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:27:51 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop quantization question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-3, 07/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <2Ld4IB.A.b2F.r9mrEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey Aaron, I hope that your patent isn't just for that function, because yes, it does exists in a couple different forms. In Mobius or the EDP (and I imagine on other loopers minus the Boss RC20/50) there is a function called Multiply that you can use to overdub a longer loop over a shorter one; ie: to play an 8-bar phrase over a 1-bar drum loop. For a good example of someone doing this with the EDP, check out the videos at http://www.arthurleemusic.com/html/bc.htm -- especially the Live Looping 101 video. He does this a lot, and his music is really fun! Also in Mobius (or the Looperlative, if I understand it correctly) you can actually record loops of varying lengths (syncronized or not) into multiple tracks so that things like output volume, feedback, loop-direction, loop-speed, loop-pitch, pan, etc. can be controlled independently for different loops. I'd recommend checking out the manuals for the EDP and the Looperlative before you deal with the patent office too much. I've dealt with them before, and it can cost you a ton of time and money if you've overlooked something that's already out there. Best wishes to you with your new product! --Josh aaron leese wrote: > > > just wanted to check .... with loop quantization on the RC50 (or any > other looper), once you set loop quantization (as below .. say to 13.2 > seconds) .... you cannot then record a loop exactly twice as long can > you? ie 26.4 seconds ?? or three, four, five times as long ? > > I know I sound like a salesman here .. but that is the whole reason I > created my program ..... so I really want to make sure that it is a > feature that is non-existant in the market so far ... that and loop > independence are my main selling points. I also got a patent ... and I > want to make sure I don't run into the "prior art" argument ..... i.e. > someone has a patent for that already. > > I just find it hard to believe nobody would have thought to make a > phrase sampler that allows for longer and shorter syncronized loops. > Notice that Kid Beyond has Ableton rigged up to do it (I think .. it > could just be some tricky editing .. or a short enough clip that you > dont notice the loops becoming undone)... but other than that .... I > haven't seen it anywhere. > > lemme know -- > Aaron > > >> By the way >> LOOP QUANTIZE >> is really, really very nice :-) I have been so annoyed with Ableton Live > on this: Let's say the exact loop point is 13,2seconds. >> RC-50: If you press PLAY/REC/OD pedal somewhere around 13,2seconds (i.e. > 12,8sec or 13,6sec) the loop will be quantized to the exact point > 13,2sec. >> ABLETON: Whereas in Ableton Live, hitting the button on i.e. 12,8sec >> would > result in perfect loop with 13,2seconds but if you are just a little > bit too > late (i..e 13,6sec), then you end up waiting until you get to the 26,4sec > point. >> This works really nice on RC-50 :-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 16:47:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25D43BEDE; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZrhPoc5m1g4L5nfKv0nQ4teHxH0IAijL6tZPN+ZwsxGrhfeKbDumBJJ1GQxRBs7AlmmGuAUldTwFJBMFPb9lleR1TabN+dDfqrMQfODosJmC4WJ/i0MerStRYmfNhFhUw5NaETItJTfqE7x9NDADHFOcANgw69h+gPtkeamhX2o= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5FD82C1A-65EC-418B-98C9-198B79AB4388@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: loop quantization question Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:42:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <94TuUD.A.SLD.9AprEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:47:57 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 7, 2006, at 14:01, aaron leese wrote: > just wanted to check .... with loop quantization on the RC50 (or =20 > any other looper), once you set loop quantization (as below .. say =20 > to 13.2 seconds) .... you cannot then record a loop exactly twice =20 > as long can you? ie 26.4 seconds ?? or three, four, five times as =20 > long ? Yes, or twice as short. Or shorter or longer according to any musical =20= division. It all depends on the resolution you set the quantization =20 to - given the looper can cut or multiply loop length this way or =20 apply the length to a new loop being created (I mostly work with the =20 EDP and M=F6bius that both allow you to do a lot to the audio). The =20 question of how long loop you can record is also dependent on how =20 much RAM you have in the looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 16:54:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1FBB3BEE4; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: loop quantization question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB689@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <44AE6F67.5020300@infinivert.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: loop quantization question Thread-Index: Acah0YqWy7D9Q/RrQCmcrudXos09VwAErG6w From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <8CkV4B.A.idD.2GprEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:54:14 +0000 (UTC) > From: Joshua Carroll > I'd recommend checking out the manuals for the EDP and the=20 > Looperlative before you deal with the patent office too much.=20 > I've dealt with them before, and it can cost you a ton of time > and money if you've overlooked=20 Yes, if you're going to whip out the lawyers, be prepared to have a few tens of thousands of dollars laying around (that you can risk losing), and set aside one or two years for distraction, anger, bitterness, and all those lovely emotions that seem to happen whenever lawyers are near ;-) Look, I'm sure it's obvious by now that I wrote Mobius and it may sound like I'm trying to discourage you, but I've been in the software business a lot longer than you have and I'm just trying to bring a little reality to the discussion. Maybe the reason you didn't think anyone had done this before is because you were looking at the major software vendors: Native Instruments, Cakewalk, Steinberg, etc. and not the "hobbyists" that do it because they love it and are happy to get an occasional donation. Maybe the reason that the major software vendors haven't done this is because it isn't worth their time? You've written something really cool, with what appears to be a nice clean interface that will be a lot easier to understand and use than some of the existing loopers. I encourage you to develop it, anything that makes the world of looping more accessible is fine by me. How much were you thinking you could make on this? A million dollars (10,000 copies at $100)? No one makes that on software like this. And don't even think of trying to sell this in the $500 range, people expect everything short of oral sex from $500 music software. I've lost interest in trying to measure the size of this market, I can only relate my own experience. Mobius is a relatively popular software looper within our little looping community. I give it away for free because I reached a point in my life where I wanted to use my talents to support the arts (but that's another long story). There are about 100 people in my Yahoo group, I estimate that maybe half of those are serious users that would be willing to give me a donation. Donations for self-distributed software usually run in the $50 to $100 range. Maybe there are 100 more users that just haven't bothered to join the group. So that's 150 users at $50 for a grand total of $7,500. This is going to sound arrogant, but that isn't a lot of money to most professional engineers. It isn't worth my time to go "commercial" for that kind of return because once people start paying you for software, they expect a certain level of support and "polish" that I just don't need to mess with. Maybe if I took out some ads in Electronic Musician or Guitar Player I could generate more leads. But I'm simply not willing to risk thousands of dollars in advertising on a product that I can barely give away for free. Again I do encourage you to continue developing this. Who knows, maybe you'll have enough energy for promotion to become wildly successful. If so I'll be cheering for you from my little corner of the looping world. But I strongly advise that before you start investing thousands of dollars in advertising=20 (or legal fees) that you have a really good idea of how large your market is, and what they're willing to pay. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 16:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B92A3BEDF; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WbBNabH8ATDKsXzC7rYGa0L9+vNMi1jB5C+vBiuWhfLWS+kZs67hF2BQfRcThYZr2b4KjsdeUGRhAfuX7EWCtAO/Ly2oZKTzURbngvDD7CcvQ60SSMGOd2GsTKf4kasAP4v/WHx8xxDkHyZUUvtjjrOV0z3qq6Ro0Ted+6iax40= ; Message-ID: <20060707165858.45159.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Vedr. RE: Vedr. Re: lap top sync with the hardware looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:59:00 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > knock > > it off balance with your playing. It's like > playing > > with a drunk looper. > > Oh yes - that's great fun! (miss my 'peater... sob, > sniff...) > Why MIDI sync? What should he sync to when his > buddies are > human musicians! (miss my human musicians... sob, sniff...) Greetings from cloudy California. ;) Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 17:22:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 368133BEE4; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cWQfFu0RohKjqeatPPddOTOM+QPUwNJoqbqVQa08qgmfhecCMWxqpQiSXS6DQBkOa+jntW2zcobFjVEv3gl097wL0Lh2Vxqd2aYQOIs7R48B5VXm3gplvD7TsP4405pmPxkIUuTTkk1NvWxY17ZCGtKB86BnMEarph7jYNUKrJ0= ; Message-ID: <20060707172206.77340.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: loop quantization question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB689@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:22:09 +0000 (UTC) --- jeff larson wrote: > And don't even think of trying to sell this in the > $500 range, people > expect everything short of oral sex from $500 music > software. Jeff, how did you know I was going to put in for this as a feature request? Can it sync to my VST host's clock too? Thanks. What? Me beta test it? Hm, I'll get back to you on that. > But I strongly advise > that before > you start investing thousands of dollars in > advertising > (or legal fees) that you have a really good idea of > how large > your market is, and what they're willing to pay. Frankly, I love to pay for the software I use and to be honest, I've already recieved more and better support for Mobius than I have for Digital Performer that I've probably sunk over a grand into. I'm probably not typical though, but being a person who makes money off his "art" I'm very sensitive to the relationship between our culture of the dollar and the importantce of intellectual property. I know dedicated hardware is on it's way out. It's inevitable. I still, however, want people to make me toys. I want those people to be able to eat, drink, fuck and buy toys for themselves too. I'm not sure what the new economy will do for such things. While Mobius might not be commercially viable due to it's nitch market (us) could it be purchased by a company like Ableton and become a feature in a bigger product? It just seems silly to me that people would pony up $1500 for something like the Looperlative but expect for a similarly featured software program to be free. That's my two cents, now get crack'n on that oral sex feature! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 17:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE5D63BEE2; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gxyb3UkDJ7oyGB8/MQFfYHGLoIKWkyGNyZV4Z9hK5RNneUBaCY/fDH4RYe0aqHylzxGwmDEW9Tupjqg7iQ7SDKrNsynNsmrL4xjlIlpQhwH7TmULQsA4K0pjbVuqZWOEspkBsR2aFuwxCZ91+a/P0qLzNNKfLFHdzSIUg+fxmAY= ; Message-ID: <20060707172836.79370.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: loop quantization question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44AE6F67.5020300@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:28:37 +0000 (UTC) --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > > Also in Mobius (or the Looperlative, if I understand > it correctly) you can actually record loops of varying > lengths (syncronized or not) into > multiple tracks so that things like output volume, > feedback, loop-direction, loop-speed, loop-pitch, pan, > etc. can be controlled independently for different > loops. You do understand it, the looperlative does indeed behave that way. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 17:34:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9F43BEE1; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: loop quantization question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:34:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB68C@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060707172206.77340.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: loop quantization question Thread-Index: Acah6eEOyFthwgUkQVmIwEVq8AdbLgAAX77A From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:34:38 +0000 (UTC) > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 >=20 > > people expect everything short of oral sex from $500 music > > software. >=20 > Jeff, how did you know I was going to put in for this > as a feature request? Can it sync to my VST host's > clock too? Yes, but you have to be really careful with 8thsPerCycle values above 16. And you *don't* want to know what happens if you try an unrounded multiply. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 17:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711093BEE7; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D0Up8aRKPhlh5OeVcLFeGitkqZPOUlzViz45MwHZnj2ySievlVcXgLPBe9Edrdf+4p5eJCoUfPuwksi4D+qhp1jBI2t3Rm1Ab+N8eyUoKePDg600c5IYZ8Q4TXlG2m8F+0hem3UiHhWfofkEc/tLBeMxKqlw5glH4WeDkmyxWHw= ; Message-ID: <20060707174941.61187.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:49:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Circular Logic temp tracker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060706214603.01a6f480@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC) I can't imagine this software working well with any looper that doesn't time stretch/compress audio... and the only one that does is the Repeater as far as I know. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 20:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DFB63BEE0; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,218,1149490800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="62052045:sNHT9982925988" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A1FF.9239C081" Subject: Midi merge and thru Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:57:26 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Midi merge and thru thread-index: AcahTVNnWjrbFYz6R9eKjF7J+qKFNgArqOMA From: "Veda, Qua" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2006 19:57:27.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[9262AAB0:01C6A1FF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:08:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A1FF.9239C081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'd like to use a combination of two programmable midi controllers to control two hardware devices. The 2 devices need to receive all the channel and command data from both controllers.=20 Conceptually, I'd like to know if the following configuration can work: programmable=20 faders&knobs ---->merge box ----------> IN multi track Looper controller with 2 midi Outs | ^ | | V | merge box--------- thru box <------ programmable | foot controller | with 1 midi out V =20 IN multi-bus FX processor (each bus on different channel) I think this could be an elegant solution, IF: The merge box does NOT merge all data to a single channel, just to a single Midi stream. Would this work? -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A1FF.9239C081 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Midi merge and thru

 Hi,

 I'd like to use a = combination of two programmable midi controllers to control two hardware = devices.   The 2 devices need to receive all the channel and = command data from both controllers.

Conceptually, I'd like to know if = the following configuration can work:

     = programmable
      = faders&knobs     ---->merge box = ----------> IN multi track Looper
       controller
    with 2 midi = Outs
           &n= bsp; = |            =       ^
           &n= bsp; = |            =       |
           &n= bsp; = V            =       |
         merge = box---------  thru box  <------     = programmable
           &n= bsp; = |            =             &= nbsp;            = foot controller
           &n= bsp; = |            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; with 1 midi out
           &n= bsp; V
      
            = IN
         multi-bus
         FX = processor
  (each bus on different = channel)


I think this could be an elegant = solution, IF:
The merge box does NOT merge all = data to a single channel, just to a single Midi stream.

Would this work?

-Qua

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 20:27:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B15B3BED8; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Midi merge and thru MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A203.C4538055" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:27:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB6A2@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Midi merge and thru Thread-Index: AcahTVNnWjrbFYz6R9eKjF7J+qKFNgArqOMAAAHpkHA= From: "jeff larson" To: Cc: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:27:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A203.C4538055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I understand correctly, you would have controller 1 and controller 2 both going into a merge box. Then have the output of the merge box going into a thru box. Then have two outputs from the thru box going into your two devices. If either of the deivces has a Thru port then you can skip the thru box and chain the devices together. =20 Foot controllers sometimes also function as a merge box so depending on what you have you could eliminate the merge box too. =20 There are some devices like the MOTU MicroExpress can serve as a standalone MIDI patchbay and do both merge and thru in one box. =20 Jeff =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A203.C4538055 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Midi merge and thru

If I understand = correctly, you=20 would have controller 1 and controller
2 both going into a merge = box. =20 Then have the output of the merge box
going into a thru box.  = Then have=20 two outputs from the thru box going
into your two devices.  If = either of=20 the deivces has a Thru port then
you can skip the thru box and chain = the=20 devices together.
 
Foot controllers = sometimes also=20 function as a merge box so depending
on what you have you could=20 eliminate  the merge box=20 too.
 
There are some devices = like the MOTU=20 MicroExpress can serve
as a standalone MIDI patchbay and do both = merge and=20 thru in
one box.
 
Jeff
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A203.C4538055-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 7 22:47:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 418163BEE1; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1152307815.44aed267e30e9@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:30:15 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Midi merge and thru References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB6A2@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB6A2@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:47:33 +0000 (UTC) due to the MIDI datarate, each merge point will add a minimum of 1ms delay, for standard MIDI msgs... a little less if running status is used... not that it's important in this case, but I thought it's important to remember. :) -cpr Quoting jeff larson : > > If I understand correctly, you would have controller 1 and controller > 2 both going into a merge box. Then have the output of the merge box > going into a thru box. Then have two outputs from the thru box going > into your two devices. If either of the deivces has a Thru port then > you can skip the thru box and chain the devices together. > > Foot controllers sometimes also function as a merge box so depending > on what you have you could eliminate the merge box too. > > There are some devices like the MOTU MicroExpress can serve > as a standalone MIDI patchbay and do both merge and thru in > one box. > > Jeff > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 8 10:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4508F3BED8; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Midi merge and thru Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:58:52 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6a27d$804e88c0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcahTVNnWjrbFYz6R9eKjF7J+qKFNgArqOMAACAkYqA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:59:00 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to use a combination of two programmable midi controllers to control two hardware devices. The 2 devices need to receive all the channel and command data from both controllers. First, MIDI merge normally merges everything to one stream as you call it, NOT to one channel (normally means that some programmable patchbays can do this if you specifically instruct them to do so), so no problem here. Question #1: Would your application also work the following way? Foot Controller Looper | | | | | | (merge)-----------> (thru) | | | | | | Fader Box MultiFX This way, you would save one merge box. Get one which has two outs, and you only need one device for your MIDI routing. Another possibility (as already mentioned) would be to use a fader box or foot controller which offers MIDI merge and then use the MultiFX's or looper's MIDI thru if available for something like this: Foot controller ----> Fader Box -----> MultiFX (thru out) -----> Looper Have you already decided on your fader box and foot controller? Some fader boxes will do what you intend to do here...Behringer's BCR2000 offers one standalone mode where it will merge MIDI from the MIDI in with the MIDI data from the fader box and send it to both outputs...exactly what you need. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 8 17:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE233BEDE; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OFsYS4WKbqOfbnz8P4MKCa/pfS5a6AXHAnTaY8wm/87JFXuaZju6QNfF6kCvrrqvaXCcrBu/QD1J1Fu/LV477jJAKOzssfRQ9aaMeA223TGBVFzHOfT7+seqiJMieaw20lQSV1zbBgYIu2q58chpV8y5LkwaPI2sTN26P9NpD38= Message-ID: <913728d60607081050x7f21c5c9yb6bdd41555e6bec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:50:46 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Lexicon MPX 200 In-Reply-To: <913728d60606261211s42743908n64de39ec89fbddd8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60606261211s42743908n64de39ec89fbddd8@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:50:49 +0000 (UTC) also i was thinking if anyone wanted to trade anything, thats cool too...i'll take almost anything rackgear or effectwise, and electrix stuff would be awesome :) Charlie On 6/26/06, Charlie Milkey wrote: > Hello Fellow loopers, > > i am putting my Lexicon MPX200 up for sale, i find that i am looping > with more clean sounds out of my bass, and 1-2 effect processors, so i > am going to cut down my rig into one good effect processor and one > good looper :) > > > for some info, click here -> http://www.lexiconpro.com/mpx200/index.asp > > it is in mint condition, its been racked since day one > > > i am asking $120 plus shipping :) > > if anyone wants more info, feel free to email me! > > Charlie > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 8 22:58:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D833BEDF; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.64.26.114] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB689@keel.sailpoint.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: loop quantization question Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:58:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2006 22:58:13.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD979970:01C6A2E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Good to know. Believe me ... though I want nothing more than to quit my day job and sit around playing music all day ... I haven't been expecting to get rich off this ..... I still have the job, and really just want a looper that will do certain things. The patent is provisional .. no real investment, just wanted it in case. Lawyers make me queasy ... and poor to boot.... and I think I could forego most any feature if oral sex were added as a plugin somewhere. Sounds like I need to check out Mobius .... and maybe a few other things as well. If Mobius does everything I want then I will probably stop spending all my free time fighting with my computer and just use Mobius... PS - speaking of fighting with computers, does anyone know an easy method for reading midi device messages in C# ? New territory for me ... and I really like the idea of user assignable functions for arbitrary midi keys. >From: "jeff larson" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: loop quantization question >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:54:18 -0500 > > > From: Joshua Carroll > > I'd recommend checking out the manuals for the EDP and the > > Looperlative before you deal with the patent office too much. > > I've dealt with them before, and it can cost you a ton of time > > and money if you've overlooked > >Yes, if you're going to whip out the lawyers, be prepared to have a >few tens of thousands of dollars laying around (that you can risk >losing), and set aside one or two years for distraction, anger, >bitterness, and all those lovely emotions that seem to happen >whenever lawyers are near ;-) > >Look, I'm sure it's obvious by now that I wrote Mobius and it may >sound like I'm trying to discourage you, but I've been in the software >business a lot longer than you have and I'm just trying to bring a >little reality to the discussion. > >Maybe the reason you didn't think anyone had done this before is >because you were looking at the major software vendors: Native >Instruments, Cakewalk, Steinberg, etc. and not the "hobbyists" that >do it because they love it and are happy to get an occasional >donation. > >Maybe the reason that the major software vendors haven't done this is >because it isn't worth their time? > >You've written something really cool, with what appears to be a nice >clean interface that will be a lot easier to understand and use than >some of the existing loopers. I encourage you to develop it, anything >that makes the world of looping more accessible is fine by me. > >How much were you thinking you could make on this? A million dollars >(10,000 copies at $100)? No one makes that on software like this. >And don't even think of trying to sell this in the $500 range, people >expect everything short of oral sex from $500 music software. > >I've lost interest in trying to measure the size of this market, I can >only relate my own experience. Mobius is a relatively popular >software looper within our little looping community. I give it away for >free because I reached a point in my life where I wanted to use my >talents to support the arts (but that's another long story). > >There are about 100 people in my Yahoo group, I estimate that maybe >half of those are serious users that would be willing to give me a >donation. Donations for self-distributed software usually run in the >$50 to $100 range. Maybe there are 100 more users that just haven't >bothered to join the group. So that's 150 users at $50 for a grand >total of $7,500. > >This is going to sound arrogant, but that isn't a lot of money to most >professional engineers. It isn't worth my time to go "commercial" for >that kind of return because once people start paying you for software, >they expect a certain level of support and "polish" that I just >don't need to mess with. > >Maybe if I took out some ads in Electronic Musician or Guitar Player I >could generate more leads. But I'm simply not willing to risk >thousands of dollars in advertising on a product that I can barely >give away for free. > >Again I do encourage you to continue developing this. Who knows, >maybe you'll have enough energy for promotion to become wildly >successful. If so I'll be cheering for you from my little >corner of the looping world. But I strongly advise that before >you start investing thousands of dollars in advertising >(or legal fees) that you have a really good idea of how large >your market is, and what they're willing to pay. > >Regards, >Jeff > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 01:38:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3633BED8; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:37:54 -0700 Subject: Update on Live Sound Devices? From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060705075625.7883D3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:38:37 +0000 (UTC) I was just reading the Looper "Tools of the Trade" website... Is it still true that laptop computers and software are considered "non-real-time" devices? As stated at the website? Is it still true that there are latency problems, even with the most recent laptop speeds? It seems to me that if one is wanting a *delay* effect, latency should not be a problem anyway (since the live signal could be routed to a sound system directly...). I would like to get the best live looping device, but it is hard to accept the price of the Gibson Echoplex at $999, when a laptop - altho more money - can do 100s of things besides looping... Can someone enlighten me, please? -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 03:13:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E78503BED5; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 03:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42163017-83EA-4F1A-9BF4-899295EE7DA7@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Update on Live Sound Devices? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:13:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 03:13:15 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Ernie Mansfield wrote: > Is it still true that laptop computers and software are considered > "non-real-time" devices? As stated at the website? Is it still true that > there are latency problems, even with the most recent laptop speeds? It > seems to me that if one is wanting a *delay* effect, latency should not be a > problem anyway (since the live signal could be routed to a sound system > directly...). Welcome! You've stepped into a frequently recurring debate here on this wonderful list. It's one of those Fender vs. Gibson, Emacs vs. Vi, York vs. Sargent debates that every list seems to have. Here, this is usually referred to as the "software vs. hardware" debate. I'm on the software side, though I see it as less of a debate, and more of a balancing act among the features you desire. In my opinion, the term "real-time" no longer has any significant meaning. The only important issues are "stability" and to a much lesser extent "latency". The so called real-time systems (more commonly called "dedicated hardware" systems) can achieve lower latency than a laptop running a non-real-time OS. This is not disputed. But laptops have become pretty darn good over the years. With a modern computer, a good sound card and ASIO drivers you can expect to achieve latency on the order of 5 milliseconds or less. Most people have a hard time detecting latency below 10ms, and of those that can, many are able to compensate for it, in the same way that you compensate for the position of your monitor speaker, or the size of the concert hall. But if you are in your bedroom playing guitar wearing headphones, it can be noticeable. You are correct that with delay effects latency can be completely eliminated provided that the software can compensate for it, and that the amount of latency has been accurately calibrated. Latency is only an issue only when there is an abrupt change in what is being played. Examples include a keyboardist playing a soft-synth, or a looper triggering pre-recorded loops by pouncing on a footswitch. The most important issue IMO is the one of stability. Dedicated hardware devices almost always just work when you plug them in, the same way every day. Laptops are fragile ecosystems that break when you drop them, and can change behavior every time you install new software. Hardware is often preferred by those that gig frequently because they are more reliable. The downside is that they can be bigger, heavier, harder to transport, and harder to repair. Software is often preferred by "experimental" and "bedroom" musicians that like the mind-blowing amount of options you have with modern music software, and are willing to deal with the stability issues of a laptop. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 03:31:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 752043BEE0; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 03:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060708202809.01bb4c68@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:31:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Update on Live Sound Devices? In-Reply-To: <42163017-83EA-4F1A-9BF4-899295EE7DA7@zonemobius.com> References: <42163017-83EA-4F1A-9BF4-899295EE7DA7@zonemobius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 03:31:41 +0000 (UTC) At 08:13 PM 7/8/2006, Jeff wrote: >Welcome! You've stepped into a frequently recurring debate here >on this wonderful list. It's one of those Fender vs. Gibson, >Emacs vs. Vi, York vs. Sargent debates that every list seems to have. You hit William Gibson with your car? Steve Vai was on the Bernie Mac Show? Sgt. York is fighting with himself? And they make lists? Of what? Gee, what is going ONNnnnnnnn.....?! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 08:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 873D63BEDE; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <42163017-83EA-4F1A-9BF4-899295EE7DA7@zonemobius.com> References: <42163017-83EA-4F1A-9BF4-899295EE7DA7@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Update on Live Sound Devices? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:02:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-NotAscii: charset=windows-1252; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 25, in=13, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.16.112 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <5u_xED.A.sCG._hLsEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:04:15 +0000 (UTC) > > Welcome! You've stepped into a frequently recurring debate here > on this wonderful list. It's one of those Fender vs. Gibson, > Emacs vs. Vi, York vs. Sargent debates that every list seems to have. > > Here, this is usually referred to as the "software vs. hardware"=20 > debate. I mentioned this a few times. It is absolutely absurd that there is a=20 differentiation. Hardware uses software, software needs hardware. No=20 response from Kim from my emails. > > Hardware is often preferred by those that gig frequently because > they are more reliable. The downside is that they can be bigger, > heavier, harder to transport, and harder to repair. I think that I gig as frequently as many on this list and I definitely=20= prefer software. > > Software is often preferred by "experimental" and "bedroom" musicians > that like the mind-blowing amount of options you have with modern > music software, and are willing to deal with the stability issues of a > laptop. To lump "bedroom" and "experimental" together seems a bit demeaning to=20= those that live and work in the world outside the bedroom..... whereas=20= I do certainly practice sometimes in my bedroom, I live in the gigging=20= world.... best regards! jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 14:23:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C1DE3BED2; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <42163017-83EA-4F1A-9BF4-899295EE7DA7@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F6F683C-7192-4A79-AA5D-3BF159544F3E@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Update on Live Sound Devices? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 09:23:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:23:48 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 9, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > To lump "bedroom" and "experimental" together seems a bit demeaning to > those that live and work in the world outside the bedroom..... I said "often preferred by" not "only used by". Maybe "studio" would have been a better word choice than "bedroom". Still, I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of those on this list that gig outside the studio use dedicated hardware. It would be an interesting ePoll. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 21:19:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA9223BEDF; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,221,1149490800"; d="scan'208"; a="63369478:sNHT14706503" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Midi merge and thru X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:19:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Midi merge and thru thread-index: AcajnWwmBBqvh5wUQG6JFCSH4hJVcg== From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2006 21:19:55.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C9D9F20:01C6A39D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to everyone for the very helpful advice. I see now that by using the thru ports on one of the devices, I would only need one merge box to accomplish my plan. -Qua =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 22:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCD273BEDE; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GwaSusLZNo1FeMWEGDIJ/b+ZdNgeK7dG6vmnUEQHFoT8DgGVNvUcfAt2EQSqEDLFoZu6FcgbIZMvS7srlyEKxBION/D2Addsg/axMT6LscpYdpJhpM65keBde7D+QfcQQ6AMooDie6xlermtnlPlrx5w64v7NQkS35bTRq2IDRU= Message-ID: <64b81a780607091527s4b411ddcv1fba167080ef0215@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:27:06 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi merge and thru In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:27:08 +0000 (UTC) I'm no MIDI expert, but a bit of warning... If the foot controller you mention is the FCB1010, don't count on it's merge/thru capabilities. As it comes from the factory, there are bugs in the MIDI merge that make it useless for this purpose. (An aftermarket firmware upgrade solves this issue, but it's easier just to use an external merge box.) Hope this helps you avoid some headaches. Todd On 7/9/06, Veda, Qua wrote: > Thanks to everyone for the very helpful advice. I see now that by using > the thru ports on one of the devices, I would only need one merge box to > accomplish my plan. > > -Qua > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 9 22:57:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DDFD3BEDF; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZWIyTY/uhJ5OSd8wkYXhp7G8cdvnrOoIdQcvh7LTFMQrtCu3eC43V6p5dS9/drVo1Tc8K8nzGd0GcabT2I0nxxqQHPEIrbX/VKgb/G4EHnVhSZ3v59ixphzZJ0OXSycI2bAZPZsltXYOWRzjw20M2m43eU1U2uAHjtLz1kjWDyY= ; Message-ID: <20060709225748.97357.qmail@web50508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 15:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Anyone want my Loop IIIv5 eproms? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:57:50 +0000 (UTC) I upgraded to LoopIV a while back and have no need for these anymore. Just pay me a buck or two for S&H and they're yours! Contact me off list if you're interested. Thanks. Sam Rogers One Mouth Band Website: www.OneMouthBand.com New CD: www.OrganicHumanMusic.com EPK: www.sonicbids.com/SamRogers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 00:33:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955D33BED8; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Marsh" To: Subject: RE: loop quantization question Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 17:33:09 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c6a3b8$6b12c520$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: Acai4f/Tjg0CyLj6RyOI4p02LYIVZQA1i/OQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Try http://www.codeproject.com/cs/media/MIDIToolkit.asp. Works like a champ, but you will have to code a little extra for device messages... -----Original Message----- From: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 3:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: loop quantization question Good to know. Believe me ... though I want nothing more than to quit my day job and sit around playing music all day ... I haven't been expecting to get rich off this ..... I still have the job, and really just want a looper that will do certain things. The patent is provisional .. no real investment, just wanted it in case. Lawyers make me queasy ... and poor to boot.... and I think I could forego most any feature if oral sex were added as a plugin somewhere. Sounds like I need to check out Mobius .... and maybe a few other things as well. If Mobius does everything I want then I will probably stop spending all my free time fighting with my computer and just use Mobius... PS - speaking of fighting with computers, does anyone know an easy method for reading midi device messages in C# ? New territory for me ... and I really like the idea of user assignable functions for arbitrary midi keys. >From: "jeff larson" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RE: loop quantization question >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:54:18 -0500 > > > From: Joshua Carroll > > I'd recommend checking out the manuals for the EDP and the > > Looperlative before you deal with the patent office too much. > > I've dealt with them before, and it can cost you a ton of time > > and money if you've overlooked > >Yes, if you're going to whip out the lawyers, be prepared to have a >few tens of thousands of dollars laying around (that you can risk >losing), and set aside one or two years for distraction, anger, >bitterness, and all those lovely emotions that seem to happen >whenever lawyers are near ;-) > >Look, I'm sure it's obvious by now that I wrote Mobius and it may >sound like I'm trying to discourage you, but I've been in the software >business a lot longer than you have and I'm just trying to bring a >little reality to the discussion. > >Maybe the reason you didn't think anyone had done this before is >because you were looking at the major software vendors: Native >Instruments, Cakewalk, Steinberg, etc. and not the "hobbyists" that >do it because they love it and are happy to get an occasional >donation. > >Maybe the reason that the major software vendors haven't done this is >because it isn't worth their time? > >You've written something really cool, with what appears to be a nice >clean interface that will be a lot easier to understand and use than >some of the existing loopers. I encourage you to develop it, anything >that makes the world of looping more accessible is fine by me. > >How much were you thinking you could make on this? A million dollars >(10,000 copies at $100)? No one makes that on software like this. >And don't even think of trying to sell this in the $500 range, people >expect everything short of oral sex from $500 music software. > >I've lost interest in trying to measure the size of this market, I can >only relate my own experience. Mobius is a relatively popular >software looper within our little looping community. I give it away for >free because I reached a point in my life where I wanted to use my >talents to support the arts (but that's another long story). > >There are about 100 people in my Yahoo group, I estimate that maybe >half of those are serious users that would be willing to give me a >donation. Donations for self-distributed software usually run in the >$50 to $100 range. Maybe there are 100 more users that just haven't >bothered to join the group. So that's 150 users at $50 for a grand >total of $7,500. > >This is going to sound arrogant, but that isn't a lot of money to most >professional engineers. It isn't worth my time to go "commercial" for >that kind of return because once people start paying you for software, >they expect a certain level of support and "polish" that I just >don't need to mess with. > >Maybe if I took out some ads in Electronic Musician or Guitar Player I >could generate more leads. But I'm simply not willing to risk >thousands of dollars in advertising on a product that I can barely >give away for free. > >Again I do encourage you to continue developing this. Who knows, >maybe you'll have enough energy for promotion to become wildly >successful. If so I'll be cheering for you from my little >corner of the looping world. But I strongly advise that before >you start investing thousands of dollars in advertising >(or legal fees) that you have a really good idea of how large >your market is, and what they're willing to pay. > >Regards, >Jeff > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 15:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 318AC3BEB3; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44B27812.4010800@dadaprod.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:53:54 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! References: <44A3E805.3000005@dadaprod.org> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB471@keel.sailpoint.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060703024818.01c647f8@mail.wightman.ca> <44AA7AA3.9020903@dadaprod.org> <20060704164503.v94g1hjusg40gogw@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060704164503.v94g1hjusg40gogw@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.81.127 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.5/0.2/5.0/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency? ftp://ftp2.dadaprod.org/dadaprod/FCB_1010.mp3 cheers stéphane -- _____________________________________________________________________ plateforme de téléchargement libre, label autogéré, média indépendant ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org _____________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 16:15:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB5BE3BED5; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44B27CFF.4090608@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:14:55 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! References: <44A3E805.3000005@dadaprod.org> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB471@keel.sailpoint.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060703024818.01c647f8@mail.wightman.ca> <44AA7AA3.9020903@dadaprod.org> <20060704164503.v94g1hjusg40gogw@www.wightman.ca> <44B27812.4010800@dadaprod.org> In-Reply-To: <44B27812.4010800@dadaprod.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0628-1, 07/10/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Steph, Mine doesn't do that, but there's been some discussion about that problem over on the FCB1010 Yahoo group. I believe one solution was to put some padding between the housing and the bottom panel. I hope that helps! --Josh sonic steph wrote: > Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency? > > ftp://ftp2.dadaprod.org/dadaprod/FCB_1010.mp3 > > cheers > > stéphane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 16:28:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C6803BEB8; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 322217354 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:28:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A43D.AD78DD5C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:28:47 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A43D.AD78DD5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency?<< have you tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... maybe the power transformer has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is acoustic noise. tap it gently with y'r best foot-controller foot forward, on the top near where the mains lead goes in. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency?<= ;<

have you tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... may= be the power transformer has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is acou= stic noise.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A43D.AD78DD5C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 17:22:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 046E13BEB5; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAKwnskSBTIhLLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060710174648.01c00bf0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:18:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Hardware vs.Software In-Reply-To: <20060710161508.A4C883BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060710161508.A4C883BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:22:53 +0000 (UTC) At 17:15 10/07/2006, you wrote: >>Here, this is usually referred to as the "software vs. hardware" debate. >I mentioned this a few times. It is absolutely absurd that there is >a differentiation. the other Jeff explains it well (imho) >Hardware uses software, software needs hardware. (not sure this is relevant to your point...but) If only...... however, not all hardware uses software. ...and there are certain hardware devices that are particularly intractable when you try and make a software emulation. Any form of distortion for instance. It's easy in analog, but to copy that digitally is very much harder, and I suspect that an exact representation is actually impossible. Filters also tend to sound different in their digital version, even if their signature sound isn't affected by distortion ( which it often is). With a hardware digital delay (or flanger/phaser) it's possible to modulate the clock frequency of the device. In the software/digital domain you'd have to use sample rate conversion, which can alter the sound rather nastily (unless your willing to do it non-real time) These problems with digital get less as you increase the sample rate, but the state of the art at the moment is that there's a very real difference. That's not saying that analog is superior though, there's things that can be done digitally that would never be practical (or would even be impossible) in analog. andy butler www.mathons.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 17:40:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CE163BECC; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,223,1149490800"; d="scan'208"; a="63016026:sNHT52489895731" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Update on Live Sound Devices? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:38:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Update on Live Sound Devices? thread-index: AcakR7j2sn4LyPFDR5amRGp5bWLh0A== From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2006 17:38:58.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[B97FC6B0:01C6A447] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:40:17 +0000 (UTC) I think that the s/w vs. h/w choice today is mostly influenced by ergonomics, budget, convenience, as much as capability and usefulness for looping. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 22:14:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36CDA3BEB9; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:16:36 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! In-reply-to: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006101c6a46e$82d9d6b0$0602a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YW/tThVgK/CzPAhuMb2/BQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:14:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_YW/tThVgK/CzPAhuMb2/BQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT and if it's not that, maybe it's a ground loop. try lifting the ground by using a 3-prong-to-2-prong adapter. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! >>Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency?<< have you tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... maybe the power transformer has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is acoustic noise. tap it gently with y'r best foot-controller foot forward, on the top near where the mains lead goes in. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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and if it's not that, maybe it's a ground loop. try lifting the ground by using a 3-prong-to-2-prong adapter.
 
 
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Warren Sirota
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>>Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency?<<

have you tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... maybe the power transformer has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is acoustic noise.

tap it gently with y'r best foot-controller foot forward, on the top near where the mains lead goes in.

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--Boundary_(ID_YW/tThVgK/CzPAhuMb2/BQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 10 23:30:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFC343BEB6; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DB/HXcbr3RD8TffFlPGiZ6y3mRoY0pG/rnCKwKqLBlO3dti0gdHHrNaIIJPyY4MkV0Wf9GgQp672t0qmRSCRNNtudLGxlkVQiEP23+ES1ZWu1FytfG79cgQU475kpHIQKhBaP+4eOiFS03lycWtGwO5Ae4/p7vjXAjeZPw4cqgc= ; Message-ID: <20060710233038.25368.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Livelooping by Andy Butler.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006101c6a46e$82d9d6b0$0602a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Got my Livelooping CD from Andy Butler last week and it's been on my iPod's playlist ever since. Great Album. A must listen for anyone who's doing live looping or just wants to hear some excellent music. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 00:55:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58B13BECD; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c6a484$b1e4ad70$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: Subject: test - ignore Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:55:21 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C6A495.72F810A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:55:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C6A495.72F810A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just testing my mail provider... seems to be loosing almost all lists = mails i'm subscribed to... or are you all on vacancy? The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C6A495.72F810A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just testing my mail provider... seems = to be=20 loosing almost all lists mails i'm subscribed to... or are you all on=20 vacancy?

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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C6A495.72F810A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 14:59:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCD753BEDB; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 327672107 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9411@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: r.i.p. syd barrett Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:59:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A4FA.8F4B9825" Resent-Message-ID: <9lL88B.A.hNB.Yz7sEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:59:36 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A4FA.8F4B9825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2265034,00.html duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A4FA.8F4B9825 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable r.i.p. syd barrett

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A4FA.8F4B9825-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 15:20:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 741143BEE1; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44B3C1D4.3030902@biink.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:20:52 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: r.i.p. syd barrett References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9411@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9411@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, RIP. These things come out of the the blue and hit you. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 16:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E90A3BED2; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: kybermusic recordings - Brian Good vs. Rainer Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:07:04 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001701c6a504$0d77b900$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcalBAzaAovaq3GARIWqHNp5sjxbVg== Resent-Message-ID: <1ACt8B.A.I2E.xy8sEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Once again, I'd like to point you to some kybermusik (ninjam) recordings on www.moinlabs.de - featuring Brian Good on soprano sax and not featuring Brian on effects and EWI-controlled absynth, because I was too stupid to properly set up my system... Go to http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm and see for yourself...Part 2 reminds me of some stuff by Luis Sclavis and Philippe Deschepper. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 16:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B6713BED5; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K4InXRu5+NAAE9jodBgc7G+mcEgrUHoU6q+gWD9Ljy5KpsQzAjoqP5V6/KWhAnZOLsHsksGYCIlX2lZwU2xXx9glfNGSm9WQVMR78e3MHVBAr00d67gkTNYGRctLK83HBVx7K9MdoG6ea6+22+upTtGHnIwIVDXBcULFXJT3f3w= Message-ID: <913728d60607110947o34059c5bk78f8d76664ff5603@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:47:14 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kybermusic recordings - Brian Good vs. Rainer In-Reply-To: <001701c6a504$0d77b900$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001701c6a504$0d77b900$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:47:16 +0000 (UTC) very cool :) i listened to both so i could say which one i liked best, but they were both really cool :) I dig it :) Charlie On 7/11/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Once again, I'd like to point you to some kybermusik (ninjam) recordings on > www.moinlabs.de - featuring Brian Good on soprano sax and not featuring > Brian on effects and EWI-controlled absynth, because I was too stupid to > properly set up my system... > > Go to http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm and see for yourself...Part > 2 reminds me of some stuff by Luis Sclavis and Philippe Deschepper. > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 17:17:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 398203BEE6; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Nobels MF-1 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:14:43 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Nobels MF-1 Thread-Index: AcalDYB144Pdsn3cTQCapBOo717Frg== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2006 17:17:01.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2C63200:01C6A50D] Resent-Message-ID: <6I3JiC.A.kr.Q09sEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:17:05 +0000 (UTC) I have an MF-1. They are no longer distributed in the US. The build quality is reportedly not very good inside, but mine seems pretty solid, though I have not gigged with it. The manual is a tough slog; understanding how to program the MF-1 makes deciphering the FCB-1-10 manual seem like child's play. It's feature set is very robust and I loved using it, but the programming is stored via battery-power, and the battery is notoriously soldered in place and hard to replace. When the "battery replace" indicator light came on... well, that is when I discovered the Tennessee-based distributor no longer supported the unit, and I got a worthless email from Nobels in Europe. I wound up with an FCB-1010 a few weeks later. The MF-1 is in a closet awaiting a day when I elect to track down a battery and find a tech person to install it. Of course if you're more techie that might not be an issue, but the utter lack of support for the product makes it an unwise choice, despite the feature set. I posted a lengthier explanation awhile back if you want to search the archive. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Ken_H [mailto:KHL2005@topic.net]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Nobels MF-1 Hey, something I know about! > > >It says it is battery powered, and I believe it sends notes too, >from the descrption. Looks interesting. > >Kris > Yes, I had an FC-200. I liked it pretty well and used it with a pair of EDPs and either a=20 GX-700 or an SE-70/VF-1. I'd like to get another one, actually; I=20 really liked the ergonomics of the big foot-switches. Pretty=20 durable... another Stick player I respect tremendously uses one, he's=20 toured with it internationally for a looong time and it has worked=20 well for him. In terms of build quality and 'feel' it beats the heck=20 out of the Behringer FCB1010 (IMHO) for not too much more money.=20 Well, not big money like an All Access or something like that. It's=20 not quite as programmable as the Behringer, but my brain works with=20 it better. It would probably work well for your laptop-setup, but it=20 might feel a bit limited for your rack-setup. I'm now on a Rocktron=20 MIDI-Mate, which is merely okay (switches are too small). Physically, sending Note-ons seemed... 'easier' with this unit. My=20 timing was somehow better than any other pedal I've tried (sort of=20 like new shoes that feel great from day one). Weird, but true. You=20 do need an external switch like the FS-5U or some such to switch=20 modes. I also used a small forest of EV-5 pedals to control lots of=20 effect parameters in real time. Great fun! Yes, batteries work; I'd suggest 2300/2400+ mAH NiMH batteries and=20 just keep 'em charged. You'll get a lot of runtime out of them...=20 definitely buy the AC adapter for home use, though. I saw the Nobels when Steve Lawson was here in the US earlier this=20 year, controlling a Looperlative. Maybe he could chime in with where=20 to get one. Seemed nice enough, but smallish. Different design=20 philosophy. It at least had footswitches which were bigger than the=20 MIDI-Mate's. Here's the manual for the Roland: =20 http://www.roland.com/products/en/_support/om.cfm?ln=3Den&dsp=3D0&iCncd=3D= 271 Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 18:08:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8350C3BEE7; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-331668853 Message-Id: <2D332CD8-3AA1-458B-9AEC-40722BDF5CBB@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:30:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Server-Quench: 4486d841-1108-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcY1U0Gll1 UkhJREJTHQ9oCRYC AlAcVgdwdRtFf2Bx ZkZ9XHVZWVt6Ox17 MDdccBVRZWZobGkd HkVfdQQadAdCeEtN blFiVXINaXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYQ QFgTGihnHUAMXW0v LxU6YkUbAUAdZQ00 Nlo6SBo2GDVaU1UH Rwgl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.56/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:08:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-331668853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed gosh that is so funny....i fried my FCB1010 when i was in the UK. the replacement pedal i got over there is one of the switchable ones (when you use it on US power, you take out the fuse box, insert appropriate fuse and flip the box around) i got the exact US fuse specified by behringer but...in the UK the pedal is quiet. in the US the pedal has a hum! i was just troubleshooting this when lo and behold, the subject pops up on loopers-delight. On Jul 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency?<< > > have you tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... maybe the > power transformer has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is > acoustic noise. > > tap it gently with y'r best foot-controller foot forward, on the > top near where the mains lead goes in. > > d. > > > > ********************************************************************** > ***** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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i got the exact US fuse specified = by behringer but...in the UK the pedal is quiet. in the US the pedal has = a hum!=A0

i = was just troubleshooting this when lo and behold, the subject pops up on = loopers-delight.


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>>Does your FCB 1010 produce = the same frequency?<<

have you = tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... maybe the power transformer = has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is acoustic = noise.

tap it gently with y'r best = foot-controller foot forward, on the top near where the mains lead goes = in.

d.



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= --Apple-Mail-2-331668853-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 18:27:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F3A3BEE2; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2D332CD8-3AA1-458B-9AEC-40722BDF5CBB@zoekeating.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <2D332CD8-3AA1-458B-9AEC-40722BDF5CBB@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-389221787 Message-Id: <267bbdc2c245842b4070cdb5ab3f7637@gmx.net> From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:29:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:27:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-389221787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I had the same problem with my new FCB1010. I took it back to the =20 store and asked for a replacement. We unpacked two other FCB1010 and =20 tried them out. One had a hum, the other didn't. It seems to be some =20 kind of production misktake. Nico Am 11.07.2006 um 04:30 schrieb Zoe Keating: > gosh that is so funny....i fried my FCB1010 when i was in the UK. the =20= > replacement pedal i got over there is one of the switchable ones (when = =20 > you use it on US power, you take out the fuse box, insert appropriate =20= > fuse and flip the box around) > > i got the exact US fuse specified by behringer but...in the UK the =20 > pedal is quiet. in the US the pedal has a hum!=A0 > > i was just troubleshooting this when lo and behold, the subject pops =20= > up on loopers-delight. > > > On Jul 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> >>Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency?<< >> >> have you tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... maybe the power = =20 >> transformer has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is acoustic =20= >> noise. >> >> tap it gently with y'r best foot-controller foot forward, on the top =20= >> near where the mains lead goes in. >> >> d. >> >> >> =20 >> = **********************************************************************=20= >> ***** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >> be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may >> not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it >> in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, >> please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. >> >> It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other >> checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not >> affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this >> e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >> represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, >> nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so = stated. >> >> MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >> external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct >> and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. >> >> MTV Networks Europe >> =20 >> = **********************************************************************=20= >> ***** --Apple-Mail-1-389221787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I had the same problem with my new FCB1010. I took it back to the store and asked for a replacement. We unpacked two other FCB1010 and tried them out. One had a hum, the other didn't. It seems to be some kind of production misktake.=20 Nico =20 Am 11.07.2006 um 04:30 schrieb Zoe Keating: gosh that is so funny....i fried my FCB1010 when i was in the UK. the replacement pedal i got over there is one of the switchable ones (when you use it on US power, you take out the fuse box, insert appropriate fuse and flip the box around) i got the exact US fuse specified by behringer but...in the UK the pedal is quiet. in the US the pedal has a hum!=A0 i was just troubleshooting this when lo and behold, the subject pops up on loopers-delight. On Jul 10, 2006, at 9:28 AM, 0000,0000,EEEEgoddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>Does your FCB 1010 produce the same frequency?<<<<=20 have you tried kicking it? sounds like mains hum..... maybe the power transformer has loose windings...... I'm assuming this is acoustic noise. tap it gently with y'r best foot-controller foot forward, on the top near where the mains lead goes in.=20 d.=20 = **************************************************************************= * CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this = message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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MTV Networks Europe = **************************************************************************= * = --Apple-Mail-1-389221787-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 19:04:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCF483BEDF; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OC5Ki/vk4Dyv7fb5csmIlXovsmpHdMc0A6VAK7aVyk2wjJ30CmVBZ1mUqFicPETppIMXmo7eBNdeow35UXHPJrBxusBz/S5RzykxSdZMRPtIw5LKVq9pfbSMthj/liMBiqyswTHbXkjeAwzWvwEYy/g8VynVRiWIvzSgQr7aXkQ= Message-ID: <64b81a780607111204l102aee36y459b3aac9469a770@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:04:39 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! In-Reply-To: <267bbdc2c245842b4070cdb5ab3f7637@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <2D332CD8-3AA1-458B-9AEC-40722BDF5CBB@zoekeating.com> <267bbdc2c245842b4070cdb5ab3f7637@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) On the topic of noisy FCBs, here a recent post from the FCB yahoo group on the same topic.... ======================================================================== > I heard of someone on this list having a humming noise problem. If I > recall correctly, he fixed it by opening up the FCB and adding some > sort of padding material between the power supply and case. I have a relatively old FCB1010 which doesn't hum and a fairly new one which does. Comparing both, I found this: On the old one, the transformer is attached with a screw, a spring, a washer and a nut. On the new one, the transformer is attached with a screw, a much cheaper spring, no washer and a nut. Go figure... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 19:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4298D3BEDB; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bNLQjhSw002ojOkgqMnElmPlOxEj0khuRJ1Gak6YG1Uj6ijCHTi1Eu2eoKzi8ea4DMkriQMOp81VVJgVyZP2Xisf3k/cXXSx34+Ps+4GcHeAX8Pkap5l8hf6yj89D1SfjetX4s8TjifXehkiVh2X1Z5FCI13Dl2S+y5llrJfJiU= Message-ID: <64b81a780607111213t41a2ab45w7fa74a6b0d8dca23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:13:05 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: r.i.p. syd barrett In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9411@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9411@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Shine on, shine on. On 7/11/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2265034,00.html > > duncan. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 19:30:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4208F3BED8; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:30:20 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Transformation of Scotty Irving, Vol. I Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:30:36 +0000 (UTC) As I'd mentioned at the end of May, http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200605/msg00936.html I was invited to take a recording of a improvisational percussive circuit-bending performance by Clang Quartet, and use it as samples for a performance. The recordings of my performance arrived yesterday, and I thought I'd share it with you as followup. The result is here: http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/transformation_of_scotty_irving_vol_one.mp3 a single 30min track of room-mic-recorded live looping / processing soundscape. It's a pretty big file even as an mp3, so I'm afraid if you're on dial-up the file size might be too much to deal with. How I came up with the above: For my set, I chose to treat the recording as a monolithic block without pre-sampling or selecting from it, and brought no pre-selected samples from the half-hour recording. Instead, I chose to pretend I was live at the recorded performance, and play the recording into my loopers and effects as if it were a live performance into the effects chain, sampling and processing it as I went along. I used several loopers in the process: an Akai Headrush E1 and Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky at the top of the signal chain to capture unprocessed chunks of the recording, and a Boss RC-20, Boss RC-20XL, and Digitech Jamman at the end of the chain to capture post-processed chunks. This was also the only time I've ever used a computer in performance: Mac OS X has a wonderful Text-to-Speech read-aloud function built in. I chose an appropriate source text, pasted the text into Notepad, select All, chose File>Services>Text to Speech>Start Speaking and OS X read the text in a voice I picked out from the many different voices I had as options. Hope people like it, or at least were interested in how I came up with it. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 19:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8035F3BEDF; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Matt Davignon featured on KQED's Spark Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:38:59 +0200 Message-ID: <002701c6a521$a8252bf0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcalIaeMd1pl8NGsS9GLTNtWR6/nMw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-_FBI.A.JW.c5_sEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) http://www.kqed.org/arts/people/spark/profile.jsp?id=8663 sounds very interesting! Will there a way to listen to this online on demand somewhere? Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 19:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF1853BEDA; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OjEWHycXOuNmCNEAaajGBvJH5HTeETEl5t9YoBQ7YBxoY78eII6ntepmiGEdOsVxzduWUlbEYPoaxRuTLzhVRrHkTwnGMzqPu7lNTy/RCoGVelFr5XgYV2whJ/TVMe7pTLoJ4jIY+QER8DAq/W3l2DGbZNcX/arZei8elNCZPoE= ; Message-ID: <20060711194003.46009.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: r.i.p. syd barrett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780607111213t41a2ab45w7fa74a6b0d8dca23@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:40:05 +0000 (UTC) nobody knows where you are how near or how far pile on many more layers and I'll be joining you there...shine on --- Todd Pafford wrote: > Shine on, shine on. > > > On 7/11/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2265034,00.html > > > > duncan. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 19:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF8CD3BEEC; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wn9fmWJaTGqgBfSAVTzRpRbSX80MV9I7RRX1FQCfjsZx4q0saNc4vM81vSlSdtOQpO+4ge7qQ8jWt/FG5g7dHhSrqX18NNwZRg9GXvvter4CDd8a3SD+b29YI9lo3FpYc4sIOecDU6gmhfz0Kh4MB74Y0VQhG3xOaUtDI+F+3l0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:42:28 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: r.i.p. syd barrett In-Reply-To: <20060711194003.46009.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <64b81a780607111213t41a2ab45w7fa74a6b0d8dca23@mail.gmail.com> <20060711194003.46009.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:42:30 +0000 (UTC) shine on syd! On 7/11/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > nobody knows where you are > how near or how far > pile on many more layers > and I'll be joining you there...shine on > > > > --- Todd Pafford wrote: > > > Shine on, shine on. > > > > > > On 7/11/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2265034,00.html > > > > > > duncan. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 11 20:17:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7553BECD; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CFYEPk0xRU0tqUgvIT3r12aovqdfXtbG1krol/WzGU+svmG8QwwuvUAnmG0fO9lVvRK282RX6F0XO9oLvkWeVKI/uFIwN9e4PBL3nfi0nV4PTVvoci8bPKpHr1BZsNSt/tMOUEM3f8YNZvdKSrTkqt7HZ0w2QXybrUuddlCDFMc= ; Message-ID: <20060711201748.41369.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: FS: E-MU XL-7 groovebox and expansion ROMs. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060710174648.01c00bf0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Last night I realized that although my plans were to keep this baby as a controller and occaisional sound source, I'm just not using it any more. For those that know it, it's a very deep box with tons of realtime MIDI looping capabilities. It's a very "playable" machine and as far as I know the only one that's got velosity sensitive pads WITH Aftertouch and a controller strip. Tons of knobs to tweak tweak tweak. This thing blows away any of the Korg or Roland boxes out on the market (I know, I've owned them!) Great source of clock out too. Can set it to MIDI "B" output jacks if you don't want clock to go to all your instruments. So sadly I'm saying goodbye to my trusty XL-7 and it's expansion ROMs. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&item=190007624722 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=009&item=190007629722 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190007645421 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190007647708 It's all been used lovingly and they're in excellent shape. Bid away... Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 00:11:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3BD63BED6; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44B43E1A.1070204@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:11:06 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <2D332CD8-3AA1-458B-9AEC-40722BDF5CBB@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <2D332CD8-3AA1-458B-9AEC-40722BDF5CBB@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > gosh that is so funny....i fried my FCB1010 when i was in the UK. the > replacement pedal i got over there is one of the switchable ones (when > you use it on US power, you take out the fuse box, insert appropriate > fuse and flip the box around) > > i got the exact US fuse specified by behringer but...in the UK the pedal > is quiet. in the US the pedal has a hum! So you don't think it's just the well-known British reserve? Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 01:11:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010C63BECD; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44B44C2E.5000804@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:11:10 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kybermusic recordings - Brian Good vs. Rainer References: <001701c6a504$0d77b900$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <001701c6a504$0d77b900$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Once again, I'd like to point you to some kybermusik (ninjam) recordings on > www.moinlabs.de - featuring Brian Good on soprano sax and not featuring > Brian on effects and EWI-controlled absynth, because I was too stupid to > properly set up my system... > > Go to http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm and see for yourself...Part > 2 reminds me of some stuff by Luis Sclavis and Philippe Deschepper. > > Rainer I want to thank Rainer for alerting me to the existence of Ninjam, and giving me the opportunity to do the transcontinental jam thing. The whole endeavor was more fun than a trash bag full of rabid ferrets. :-) Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 06:09:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C6C3BED3; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: What will sync to EDP? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:09:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c6a579$cc656220$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcalecvMzEf6//slRROA/2NcTMVoZw== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:09:59 +0000 (UTC) OK, in the almost 10 years I have had the EDP, I never used it as a master. I don't own any hardware drum machines, and my attempts the last 2 nights to get StylusRMX in Sonar 5 to sync to the EDP has resulted in Sonar freezing as soon as the midi sync button is pushed from within Sonar. Sonar works as a master just fine, but no-slave-can-do. So, what are y'all using, PC-wise, to slave to the EDP? And gimme some ideas to try once I get it all working- what cool things are ya doin? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 06:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CF7E3BECA; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT - Manhattan sunset today Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:24:28 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c6a57b$d4e00750$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acale9ROZopqnbM4TCyfQAR7jMwYBg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:24:42 +0000 (UTC) for those of you living in Manhattan: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 07:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80023BED6; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bJyr4Fgf8Oa5uT6vcGUmftiXw74h/wBcFYZOzziZl6dSD+jHUS4gAR2AGJjI9WYQs/FiC5FKUXwnC4k7xTfTb0FgxGrcQyoI+LjrC0zSxMSTwS4L/0ALS3WDWtgDqqICQ9F523HsP05mI64aQAjy27z55ktQBLHbJb08+ZaTjPI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:42:19 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Manhattan sunset today In-Reply-To: <000501c6a57b$d4e00750$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c6a57b$d4e00750$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:42:20 +0000 (UTC) nice, too bad i was working in a building in Manhattan and not out on the streets in that specific location! ha! On 7/12/06, Michael Peters wrote: > for those of you living in Manhattan: > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html > > -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 08:03:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE07C3BED8; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:03:48 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060712080348.179830@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Real-time "Beat Splitter" ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers I was wondering if there is something like this available: The idea is to split up music in real-time (!) into it's beats and route the beats separately though various effect sends. So, imagine something like a stepsequencer, but instead of constructing music out of beats, you _deconstruct_ the beats of the music. I imagine a DJ using it like this: - DJ is playing some music with dense rhythm and harmony (i.e. 4/4 meter) - First, you sync the "Beat Splitter" with the music (tap, beat detect, midi sync...) - You have 16 buttons like a step sequencer for 16 beats - You can route each beat separately to various effect routings, i.e. - route beat 1/5/9/13 to FX Send 1 to modulate the bass drum - route beat 3/7/11/15 to FX Send 2 to boost volume level (shift rhythmic center) - mute some beats completely for percussive effect And all this would work in real-time while the music is playing (or maybe with 1 bar delay). The DJ could play around with effects, mute some beats for effects or shift the meter i.e. to 12/16 for a triplet effect etc... I know that Ableton Live can do some of these features (esp. with MIDI) but is there some software - or even better - hardware that does this? Talking about market recently, I think that would be an EXTREMELY cool piece of gear to have: a hardware real-time Beat Splitter... Any ideas? Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 15:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98FC23BED2; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:53:41 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20060712080348.179830@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060712155341.222700@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060712080348.179830@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Real-time "Beat Splitter" ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks > I was wondering if there is something like this available: > The idea is to split up music in real-time (!) into it's beats and route > the beats separately though various effect sends. Actually thinking of this, it could probably be realized with a simple MIDI step sequencer: You need a device that can turn on/off an audio signal via MIDI command. Then you just need to step-sequence the MIDI command on a MIDI sequencer. Very simple - but very powerful :-) Any experience with that? Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 15:57:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3947B3BED9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Real-time "Beat Splitter" ? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:57:33 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002801c6a5cb$e3d7e980$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060712080348.179830@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acalibc920DVEBuAQtyRkp6ZvC7OLgAQhgTw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:57:42 +0000 (UTC) It works in a FireworX - and I'm almost sure it would work in an Orville = or KSP8.=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 10:04 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Real-time "Beat Splitter" ? >=20 > Hi Loopers >=20 > I was wondering if there is something like this available: > The idea is to split up music in real-time (!) into it's=20 > beats and route the beats separately though various effect sends.=20 >=20 > So, imagine something like a stepsequencer, but instead of=20 > constructing music out of beats, you _deconstruct_ the beats=20 > of the music. > I imagine a DJ using it like this: > - DJ is playing some music with dense rhythm and harmony=20 > (i.e. 4/4 meter) > - First, you sync the "Beat Splitter" with the music (tap,=20 > beat detect, midi sync...) > - You have 16 buttons like a step sequencer for 16 beats > - You can route each beat separately to various effect routings, i.e. > - route beat 1/5/9/13 to FX Send 1 to modulate the bass drum > - route beat 3/7/11/15 to FX Send 2 to boost volume level=20 > (shift rhythmic center) > - mute some beats completely for percussive effect >=20 > And all this would work in real-time while the music is=20 > playing (or maybe with 1 bar delay). > The DJ could play around with effects, mute some beats for=20 > effects or shift the meter i.e. to 12/16 for a triplet effect etc... >=20 > I know that Ableton Live can do some of these features (esp.=20 > with MIDI) but is there some software - or even better -=20 > hardware that does this? >=20 > Talking about market recently, I think that would be an=20 > EXTREMELY cool piece of gear to have: a hardware real-time=20 > Beat Splitter... >=20 > Any ideas? >=20 > Best regards > Buzap > --=20 >=20 >=20 > "Feel free" =96 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 16:25:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DE683BED5; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:25:00 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 12th July 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6JE3-C.A.oHE.iJStEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 12th July 06 ============================= Niko Skorpio / Escape from Heaven (Some Place Else) Ovro / Gegendurchgangenzeit (Some Place Else) V.A. / ...It Just Is (In Memoriam: Jhonn Balance) (Fulldozer Records) Frode Gjerstad and Lasse Marhaug / Red Edge (Carbon Records) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 16:36:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08ABF3BEDF; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 237558843 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC941B@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT - Manhattan sunset today Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:36:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A5D1.1483AEC0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:36:25 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A5D1.1483AEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" that's weird- I was in ("on"?) manhattan seven years ago, took almost exactly the same picture & thought nothing of it. it didn't occur to me (as it should've) that the precise alignment was seasonal..... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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that's weird- I was in ("on"?) manhattan seven = years ago, took almost exactly the same picture & thought nothing of it= . it didn't occur to me (as it should've) that the precise alignment was se= asonal.....

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A5D1.1483AEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 16:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396553BEDF; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 3.9 X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 427467231 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC941C@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:43:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A5D2.570A6BB6" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:43:52 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A5D2.570A6BB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i got the exact US fuse specified by behringer but...in the UK the pedal is quiet. in the US the pedal has a hum!<< [adopts metaphorical white lab coat & clears throat] well, this would probably be explained by mechanical resonance occuring within the windings of the transformer & out through the cheap nasty mounting of same. at 50Hz, the structure is damping this resonance sufficiently that it doesn't make too much noise, but at 60Hz, the whole assembly is vibrating in perfect sympathy with the coils of wire in the trafo. same principle, essentially, but sort of in reverse, that causes loose windings in pickups to squeal with out-of-control feedback, & has hundreds of guitar techs melting candles over ancient p90s.... [takes white coat off again, revealing beastie boys t-shirt] uli was too cheap to use a toroidal, I guess.... I bet some rubber solution adhesive would shut it up..... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A5D2.570A6BB6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010!

>>i got the exact US fuse specified by behringer bu= t...in the UK the pedal is quiet. in the US the pedal has a hum!<<

[adopts metaphorical white lab coat & clears throat] =
well, this would probably be explained by mechanical res= onance occuring within the windings of the transformer & out through th= e cheap nasty mounting of same.

at 50Hz, the structure is damping this resonance sufficie= ntly that it doesn't make too much noise, but at 60Hz, the whole assembly i= s vibrating in perfect sympathy with the coils of wire in the trafo. same p= rinciple, essentially, but sort of in reverse, that causes loose windings i= n pickups to squeal with out-of-control feedback, & has hundreds of gui= tar techs melting candles over ancient p90s....

[takes white coat off again, revealing beastie boys t-shi= rt]
uli was too cheap to use a toroidal, I guess....  I= bet some rubber solution adhesive would shut it up.....

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A5D2.570A6BB6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 16:53:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A4943BED9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=N9CDq4487b3MPA38Xr8R+kCf03mPEtWoQeW5QV8wG1FnBjMClauUClMOSZ15lHCJfONvofnKhg21ZZgFLqwNGKVC0iu0AggW+TeXeQGwLbLutlcq62rCv5S4vATcqtn7T3qxDIFpqF5jvP+xbYPlRPCqQHliEXbe66+PwsyjEGo= In-Reply-To: <20060712080348.179830@gmx.net> References: <20060712080348.179830@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1828711C-7565-405C-9214-26D05FBDD2B4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Real-time "Beat Splitter" ? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:35:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:53:56 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 12, 2006, at 10:03, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Loopers > > I was wondering if there is something like this available: > The idea is to split up music in real-time (!) into it's beats and =20 > route the beats separately though various effect sends. > > So, imagine something like a stepsequencer, but instead of =20 > constructing music out of beats, you _deconstruct_ the beats of the =20= > music. > I imagine a DJ using it like this: > - DJ is playing some music with dense rhythm and harmony (i.e. 4/4 =20 > meter) > - First, you sync the "Beat Splitter" with the music (tap, beat =20 > detect, midi sync...) > - You have 16 buttons like a step sequencer for 16 beats > - You can route each beat separately to various effect routings, i.e. > - route beat 1/5/9/13 to FX Send 1 to modulate the bass drum > - route beat 3/7/11/15 to FX Send 2 to boost volume level (shift =20= > rhythmic center) > - mute some beats completely for percussive effect > > And all this would work in real-time while the music is playing (or =20= > maybe with 1 bar delay). > The DJ could play around with effects, mute some beats for effects =20 > or shift the meter i.e. to 12/16 for a triplet effect etc... > > I know that Ableton Live can do some of these features (esp. with =20 > MIDI) but is there some software - or even better - hardware that =20 > does this? The application GURU, by FXpansion, comes half ways into this =20 territory. It's not real-time, in that you have to first catch the =20 audio as a sound file on the hard drive. This can be done with =20 Ableton Live or M=F6bius in sync with automatic trimming of the audio =20= file to perfectly match one or two bars, or whatever length you =20 prefer. In GURU you select the file and "Slice" it. This means GURU =20 slices it up into beats (i.e. eight not hits - not "beat" as in Dj/=20 rapper vocabulary; meaning a two bar drum loop with eventual bass and =20= rhodes). GURU then examines each slice to see which one has the most =20 kick drum-like frequency response and maps this sample to the kick =20 drum not of the built in step sequencer pattern. Same goes for hi =20 hat, snare and percussion drum. What I'm saying is that you set up =20 GURU with a two bar step sequence, still with no audio samples =20 assigned to the notes played, and then you start throw an audio files =20= at it and listen back to how transients sliced out of this file do =20 sound when transformed on-the-fly into a drum kit. I have been lobbying for FXpansion to make GURU's "slice-up and =20 assign transients to suitable drums of a kit" functionality real-=20 time, but was told it is not first priority. Here's the same issue as =20= with Ableton Live related to commercial software developing and =20 estimated market. It just seems as there isn't enough demand for real-=20= time music production tools (of which looping is one concept). A hypothetical set-up (so far) could be a future version of M=F6bius =20 that may host GURU VST. GURU could then be set by default to look for =20= the file to auto-slice at the same location where M=F6bius saves by the =20= "Quick Save" command. Another cool "beat slicing" plug-in appl is pHATmatic Pro. Both PMP =20 and GURU supports multiple virtual outputs that can be assigned to =20 any host appl track/channel or different physical sound card outputs =20 (should answer some of your sound mangling wishes). There are also examples of related solutions with MAX/msp (Jamie =20 Lidell) and Reaktor (see video at NI's web site) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 17:44:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 812863BED6; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ojBPR8tByslVkRCDRoLU663qLolYNhU5d/CouSqDh4rPhUrACmYBCMibzZX7Fsuw; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067312174820650@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: OT: Lexicon LXP repairs? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:48:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940c30f39d3cd528c8d5f816aef95f4b5f7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.160 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gang: I have a Lexicon question... a friend who I used to work for at Lexicon gave me an 1991 LXP-15 as a present...he was not sure if it worked, but I was thrilled to have it anyway. One of my other Lexi friends switched it over from Euro-spec 220V to US voltage, which seemed to bring it to life, but while it runs the initial diagnostics, it will not load the operating system. Do any of you know anyone who can fix this thing? Preferably someone in Massachusetts, but I'm guessing I can't be too picky with something this old ;-) Sonic Love, Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Gang:
 
I have a Lexicon question... a friend who I used to work for at Lexicon gave me an 1991 LXP-15 as a present...he was not sure if it worked, but I was thrilled to have it anyway.
 
One of my other Lexi friends switched it over from Euro-spec 220V to US voltage, which seemed to bring it to life, but while it runs the initial diagnostics, it will not load the operating system.
 
Do any of you know anyone who can fix this thing? Preferably someone in Massachusetts, but I'm guessing I can't be too picky with something this old ;-)
 
Sonic Love,
Tim
 
 
Timothy Mungenast
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 17:52:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6847E3BED9; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Aht5/vfytXfRKMQiiA+AkCMO+DYFXqLRD15gHV+zXsYq0NvMKDqS79EOCgiAk10Eu3fGaSw2ZE4CTjM0CYTlEmp0bqQE0x/d3PDe8EccnxHUbrnyBqYqXh/B93nbmPGBJ4PtUd6lIkMFvyD6LYNNq8C0bAaUS49WKeitR6861h4= ; Message-ID: <20060712175239.57521.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT - Manhattan sunset today To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c6a57b$d4e00750$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:52:40 +0000 (UTC) beautiful! Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > for those of you living in Manhattan: > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html > > -Michael > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 18:35:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78A483BEC7; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JcempkiWtcjRU+OFp4qLqeJjVtM9LgltNq76a2BezGFOvdH7z3v/2oCbl6hFPq4mEP6EfkOtGCdWh6/fa6PVXRYANV+fvurYNCNCpF7T3Y4ybw0sJkpGRgjTh89Ps1rpgXl0vfejNkQEA8gCNEgWN4sSpsVJUP634QX+BI05V2g= ; Message-ID: <20060712183534.13196.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: What will sync to EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000301c6a579$cc656220$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Well, I can't speak for the EDP, but I've never heard that it's clock is remarkable in any way so I'll assume it's just good standard MIDI clock. Does the EDP send song start/stop information? I recently went through a similar issue. I was looking for an app that would host Mobius as master or slave depending on my situation. I ended up with Ableton's Live 5. Now I know Sonar is a lot more robust in many ways compared to Live but I found Live to be very good at following any clock I threw at it. I didn't try many DAWs though in my search but Tracktion wouldn't do it at all. Mostly I had a budget of $250 so that's why I ended up with Live (I had an upgrade deal from a lite version) Something tells me though, that there's something up with your setup or settings in Sonar. I can't imagine it would have sync issues. Are you sure you don't have it set to listen for MTC and not MIDI clock? By "freeze" do you mean crash or it's just not doing anything? --- hazard factor wrote: > OK, in the almost 10 years I have had the EDP, I > never used it as a master. > I don't own any hardware drum machines, and my > attempts the last 2 nights to > get StylusRMX in Sonar 5 to sync to the EDP has > resulted in Sonar freezing > as soon as the midi sync button is pushed from > within Sonar. Sonar works as > a master just fine, but no-slave-can-do. > So, what are y'all using, PC-wise, to slave to the > EDP? And gimme some ideas > to try once I get it all working- what cool things > are ya doin? > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 21:42:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F563BECD; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=lujZcfOv/fEsquPerTDdUU7IPTftuDXIJ4K2EdS4zo1CTSYVd47tKN30xohhRmoCbz4+np0fQXgGWVTMA2zLDt2kaz4eJkGeQrzfbfXDVRSsPYq+E99TulJpDf6ikkyGlE632/VWEMetRlEh3gEiw5as+tH8WlZ+N5wZDIV1ucY= Message-ID: <26ba8d120607121442g1ef5857fsa6399a8250edc536@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:42:42 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Manhattan sunset today In-Reply-To: <20060712175239.57521.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c6a57b$d4e00750$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20060712175239.57521.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 12638fcc102eca27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately, I'm sitting on 40th St 20 floors up looking west and it looks like we're going to get pretty continuous rain all evening.... :-( On 7/12/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: > beautiful! > Luis > > --- Michael Peters wrote: > > > for those of you living in Manhattan: > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 21:51:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC673BED8; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DwNqDf40eT4o0X+4lDfn5mAeAJYrBaWp8odNSn6YnAPnwrTY7uv0Ed10kFa/qvRTnpXVWONL4zDRO5wKWn+OSJzWq+yQUbx2Fb3Kbb94qfneps0M4XtA/80Y6q3iN7Z6qrD3hNad1uopXhl4Z1IHX8vCboWhl3CgOpTlGs2lHfk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:51:23 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - Manhattan sunset today In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120607121442g1ef5857fsa6399a8250edc536@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c6a57b$d4e00750$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <20060712175239.57521.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120607121442g1ef5857fsa6399a8250edc536@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3Rwu7C.A.JhC.c7WtEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:51:24 +0000 (UTC) yea! I am soaked! On 7/12/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm sitting on 40th St 20 floors up looking west and it > looks like we're going to get pretty continuous rain all evening.... > :-( > > On 7/12/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > beautiful! > > Luis > > > > --- Michael Peters wrote: > > > > > for those of you living in Manhattan: > > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html > > > > > > -Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 22:56:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE823BED2; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <55d.2692910.31e6d807@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:56:07 EDT Subject: Re: r.i.p. syd barrett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1152744967" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:56:13 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1152744967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit R.I.P. you one madcap crazy diamond. You will be missed. I'm proud to say you are one of the major influences artistically in my life. A genius, pure genius. Kenny -------------------------------1152744967 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
R.I.P. you one madcap crazy diamond.  You will be missed.  I'= m=20 proud to say you are one of the major influences artistically in my life. A=20 genius, pure genius.
Kenny
 -------------------------------1152744967-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 12 23:53:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76A8E3BECD; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: What will sync to EDP? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:53:10 -0400 Message-ID: <007701c6a60e$54c04ec0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acal4fj6WszBLV+8QNqtQaIp0o/BAQAK8X6g In-Reply-To: <20060712183534.13196.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <077po.A.vuH.otYtEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:53:13 +0000 (UTC) No, just midi clock. It can be the master just fine, but make it a slave and the program freezes up. The 'listen to midi clock' button is pressed, but everything else works- it doesn't take Windows with it, it is just Sonar- you can't click on anything. I am using an M-Audio uno midi interface, as well as an Echo Mia card. Never had any problems in Sonar, midi-wise (I use guitar synth to trigger synths in Sonar), but this has me baffled. Is there a standalone drum program that can sync to midi clock that I can try? I also may try using V-Stack, which is a host for VSTi's. I haven't tried this configuation yet, or even read to see if it can sync to midi clock. Dave Eichenberger > Something tells me though, that there's something up with > your setup or settings in Sonar. I can't imagine it would > have sync issues. Are you sure you don't have it set to > listen for MTC and not MIDI clock? By "freeze" do you mean > crash or it's just not doing anything? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 13 06:37:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE4A53BED3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s0TU7ycddGR5+Sx+BDQddy2KX1lPAmdTIZXrgSqoON7JxewBmtVmCoXOoLR5D8Tp2Cp00G43xvMAzkzZT2i+e7K0UnXh+NUM1giWs3eVF2ZS4tQqB0ujQHWPOBoF8NlH8F62sCYeJ24crVylJwnANl7SP/rlgF1LzamSaWTuGxQ= ; Message-ID: <20060713063733.57756.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:37:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: What will sync to EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060712183534.13196.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Sorry Dave,misread your mail previously didnt see u were talkin about PC software! cheers Luis > > OK, in the almost 10 years I have had the EDP, I > > never used it as a master. > > I don't own any hardware drum machines, and my > > attempts the last 2 nights to > > get StylusRMX in Sonar 5 to sync to the EDP has > > resulted in Sonar freezing > > as soon as the midi sync button is pushed from > > within Sonar. Sonar works as > > a master just fine, but no-slave-can-do. > > So, what are y'all using, PC-wise, to slave to the > > EDP? And gimme some ideas > > to try once I get it all working- what cool things > > are ya doin? > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 13 10:08:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA603BED3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:05:53 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44B61B01.4020901@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:08:21 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Evolving Visions." The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Snowflakes Are Dancing" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1974. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jul Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, July 15 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 13 13:30:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27D5F3BED3; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:29:56 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <1828711C-7565-405C-9214-26D05FBDD2B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060713132956.43250@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060712080348.179830@gmx.net> <1828711C-7565-405C-9214-26D05FBDD2B4@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Real-time "Beat Splitter" ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi I was sure somebody would come up with "... can be programmed in MAX/MSP" ;-) The software GURU doesn't seem to be the right thing. I've looked at Fireworx specs, seems to do it. However, what I look for is much more simple, more like a 16-beat hardware step sequencer actually. I'm sure one of the guys who build the P3 sequencer etc. implement it quite easily. Would be really neat, imagine such a beat splitter connected to a Repeater or Electro-Harmonix... would be nice.. Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 13 18:03:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4EA83BEE2; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:02:58 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: What will sync to EDP? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44B68AD2.9010608@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:03:21 +0000 (UTC) > my attempts the last 2 nights to get StylusRMX in Sonar 5 to sync to the EDP has > resulted in Sonar freezing as soon as the midi sync button is pushed from > within Sonar. Sonar works as a master just fine, but no-slave-can-do. A hold-over from the old days, Sonar ('Cakewalk' back then) was never very happy as slave. There are also a number of posts on the Sonar forums that point out that Sonar has problems hosting Stylus RMX. > host Mobius as master or slave depending on my situation. I ended up with > Ableton's Live 5. Now I know Sonar is a lot more robust in many ways compared > to Live but I found Live to be very good at following any clock I threw at it. I'm mainly interesting in Mobius as master, but am also looking for a stable VST host. I want to run Mobius and a few synths and effects and it doesn't seem to run at all in Sonar - also you can't record the Mobius looped output. This is a known issue/limitation based on several posts on Yahoo group 'ZoneMobius'. Tracktion version 1 as host to Mobius doesn't appear to work well - I'd like to know about Tracktion version 2 if anyone has had success. Routing in Tracktion makes me crazy and maybe there's another way, but my scheme called for two instances of Mobius. Had bad problems with midi delay and getting both instances to respond to the same midi message from ny footcontroller (FCB1010). REAPER (in beta) as host to Mobius is still unstable on my system (Dell 8400 w/ MOTU Traveler under WinXPPro). Best stability so far is in Ableton Live! 5.2 (I am using the demo until I decide it's the right solution). Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 13 20:02:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 756E43BEE7; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bFPP5nQjPWqIifBaJdJ8+boWfqgs6UvE6+k6uN4DGnL2+7zA5Zv9guBXrJoRVPTabKZSxeuSvRcACXoMR3mOFcuPHGOO0rJ3qWGquxfKCFzE8a6W9bdM+B//u5vgBbmrKpTz4+aDD/07AYGOHyPkBPb1kwxNvw3TrT7aKBpafd0= ; Message-ID: <20060713200228.55856.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: What will sync to EDP? To: artists@hazardfactor.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007701c6a60e$54c04ec0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Why not run Stylus RMX in standalone mode? --- hazard factor wrote: > Is there a standalone drum program that can sync to > midi clock that I can > try? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 13 22:22:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D3043BEE1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:20:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #484 for July 6, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44B6C71B.6040400@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:22:58 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060706.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. Show #484 July 6, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Evolving Visions." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Snowflakes Are Dancing" by Tomita on RCA Records and released in 1974. Numina - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Tomita Reverie Snowflakes Are Dancing (RCA) VA [Johannes You and Me E-dition #13 (Groove) Schmoelling] Conrad Schnitzler City Blur Conviction (Ricochet Dream) Conrad Schnitzler Eerie Station Conviction (Ricochet Dream) Remy Destination Sense (AKH) Hemisphere Night Crossing Destination Infinity (Groove) Numina Opening To Beyond Evolving Visions (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Numina Asleep Before the End Evolving Visions (none) of the Story Numina Emerald Nebulae Evolving Visions (none) Numina Further Entwined Evolving Visions (none) Numina Oceanize (Deeper) Evolving Visions (none) Numina An Imposing Presence Evolving Visions (none) Numina Within the Stones Evolving Visions (none) Numina As the Sky Passes By Evolving Visions (none) Numina Pearl Evolving Visions (none) Numina Canicula (Dimmer) Evolving Visions (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Trancension Volume 3." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Cluster II" by Cluster on Brain Records and released in 1972. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. 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Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-1530361108-1152837064=:16229-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 01:22:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A4333BEDB; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T+p3XV7hpZ4M0WqugDVjXBl1I5DhK7/XBn9Bbzq2Xz8/jT4mjC3D0WIYPI7lA0HWYE6H3KPa3vNTjZVYKM04vMs1ggmTOcj9duGiE1vr17pbyjQEu4PzHBdMpq4Q5xasSgnGs8nEmNXmo8DK47WTvOxX3UhdgOYLdX6RbKoyve4= Message-ID: <913728d60607131822o253b15c6x8cfc41deeca16ec8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:22:38 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... In-Reply-To: <20060714003104.18579.qmail@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060714003104.18579.qmail@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:22:41 +0000 (UTC) wow! i love it :) On 7/13/06, Monica wrote: > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > ________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 02:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03DF83BEE7; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iHNXQAvNJp0NcDe9ZCZ2uiCjYtCZYRMMCr+3ZpjtjkjFIaQkrzBD9K+wHoZjz/xkhyzJqVFom8dgQqv5ncckGkc3pFkWEXWuqUz7Qjam4ddArsarKO5DMic/S3azhu9dUW96yXstVZExnFZL/iWdUQawxyTsK/K+sfo2OAIVIIM= ; Message-ID: <20060714024122.36928.qmail@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:41:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60607131822o253b15c6x8cfc41deeca16ec8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2118200112-1152844882=:35104" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:41:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-2118200112-1152844882=:35104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks on behalf of Heiko... 8 - ) If all goes as planned, you'll be seeing these on the popular market soon (plus my own designs). Stay tuned... Monica Charlie Milkey wrote: wow! i love it :) On 7/13/06, Monica wrote: > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > ________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2118200112-1152844882=:35104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks on behalf of Heiko...  8 - )
If all goes as planned, you'll be seeing these on the popular market soon
(plus my own designs). Stay tuned...
Monica

Charlie Milkey <pilotcp@gmail.com> wrote:
wow!

i love it :)

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2118200112-1152844882=:35104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 04:05:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC17E3BEE8; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,238,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="238383872:sNHT22547060" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:04:16 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Immersions in Lowell, MA, Friday July 28 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/300, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090201.44B71597.0027,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm delighted to announce the next Immersions event, which will happen on July 28 at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA. The lineup Doctor T -- Video Improvisation Dean (Deknow) Stiglitz Electro Flute Ramona Herboldsheimer - Hammered Dulcimer Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and Percussion Claire Barratt -- Motion Sculpture Helena Schniewind -- Camera This should be a very special evening. I've worked with Claire a few times in New York and its always been a delight as she moves slowly in front of the projected images. With Helena's camera feeding into my video mix and three of my favorite musical coconspirators providing a blend of jazz, exploratory ambience, and abstract improvisation, we expect a mind-stretching synergy of music and visuals. 119 Gallery (http://www.119gallery.org) is a splendid, bright performance space located at 119 Chelmsford Street in Lowell, phone 978-452-8138 . Suggested donation is $5.00 "Immersions" is an intermedia improvisation ensemble built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things). -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 04:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A76D3BEF5; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1Gd/p9bIHHFRreN5CUuvI6qydf3hIU5BSQE3B+dJjq8I1tXbUE8dDeQZC2ySN8N/eAkvOobhaFb4CygAnuNos5U6ADXzsBvowLA1Or1xhrPJTEyHSlqPx31F+ou/18hKJg5SUjNbYKZBJsgE7RlX62+q+v4zTyhfMFYT4bNcF58= ; Message-ID: <20060714045145.92734.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060714003104.18579.qmail@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:51:47 +0000 (UTC) I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog at a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out Monica. to the future, scary visionary --- Monica wrote: > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! > Mail Beta. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 05:41:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E912F3BEF6; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3QAmvQgNgWqfFq0Dr76K4NdP0mjwQ6qwVQoSnH2Q8r2mLDZi1fq5mwzvHCWcUhf4Oyz04wJ/QJyjNRez+t26TIvW0okHff/7p+jL6NZ+sVcdL7/OWzNKj8QsmqJnY4ncOIiRTOAIMI6Dmzm1cuDFJzhvN9J5vqHpKxTfQXiCUuc= ; Message-ID: <20060714054108.41404.qmail@web55512.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060714045145.92734.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1684667500-1152855668=:38769" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:41:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1684667500-1152855668=:38769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or even most - or even any - of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing from the mainstream guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to be a big breakthrough. Fingers crossed... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog at a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out Monica. to the future, scary visionary --- Monica wrote: > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! > Mail Beta. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. --0-1684667500-1152855668=:38769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or even most - or even any -
of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing from the mainstream
guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to be a big breakthrough.
Fingers crossed...
Monica

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog at
a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out
Monica.
to the future,
scary visionary

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------=_NextPart_000_0229_01C6A740.9C389FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 12:47:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE333BEF8; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:44:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #485 for July 13, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44B791B3.20202@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:47:34 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060713.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. 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Numina - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Cluster fur die katz Cluster II (Brain) Paul Ellis The Realms of the Unreal The Infinity Room (Groove) Nattefrost Through Clear and Absorbed in Dreams and Yearning Frosty Nights (Groove) Ron Boots The Battle of the Somme Acoustic Shadows (Groove) Dan Pound First Impressions Impressions (none) Matt Borghi Ile Aux Gales The Phantom Light (SLO BOR) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Numina Terra Sirenum Trancension Vol. 3 (none) Numina Xanthe Terra Trancension Vol. 3 (none) Numina Aonia Terra Trancension Vol. 3 (none) Numina Vastitas Boralis Trancension Vol. 3 (none) Numina Olympus Mons Trancension Vol. 3 (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Eye of the Nautilus" on Hypnos Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Heaven and Hell" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1975. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 14:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A139A3BEFB; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,244,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="621994330:sNHT100209340" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-634877659 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Fabio Anile Podcast Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:44:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <-dk7FB.A.NMH.A36tEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:44:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-634877659 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Fabio, I tried the link and what I got was: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This page contains the following errors: error on line 7 at column 64: Opening and ending tag mismatch: channel =20= line 0 and title Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error. fabio anile - Podcast - Vitaminic =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The rest of the window was blank . . . For what it's worth, I was really interested in hearing your music. Let =20= us know when your PodCast is up and running. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:25 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > Hi people, > this is my first experience with podcast. > and I'm not sure if it works. > Can someone try it and report to me if it works ? > Thanks > fabio > =A0 > http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/itunes.pcast > =A0= --Apple-Mail-1-634877659 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fabio, I tried the link and what I got was: = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This page contains the following errors: Couriererror on line 7 at column 64: Opening and ending tag mismatch: channel line 0 and title Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error. fabio anile - Podcast - Vitaminic = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The rest of the window was blank . . .=20 For what it's worth, I was really interested in hearing your music. Let us know when your PodCast is up and = running. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:25 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: = Helvetica0000,0000,8080<= /param>Hi people, = Helvetica0000,0000,8080th= is is my first experience with podcast. = Helvetica0000,0000,8080an= d I'm not sure if it works. = Helvetica0000,0000,8080Ca= n someone try it and report to me if it works ? = Helvetica0000,0000,8080Th= anks = Helvetica0000,0000,8080fa= bio =A0 = Helvetica0000,0000,EEEEht= tp://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/itunes.pcast =A0= --Apple-Mail-1-634877659-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 16:23:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71BD73BEE8; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <001001c6a761$bebc36f0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Grr EDP frustration Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:22:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6A772.81F8BBB0" X-Unsent: 1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:23:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6A772.81F8BBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quik test: Came home from holiday in France, picked up the ole geetar and EDP for a = well missed twang... and er... pedals dont work... it a FCB, and both = units are set to Chan 1, I AMD getting Program change messages to to EDP = cos my Presets load OK, but nothing happening on the actual REC MULT INS = OVEDB buttons... woss this all about I ask you??? 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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6A772.81F8BBB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 16:47:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80783BED5; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060714094504.0bc79b80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:47:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Grr EDP frustration In-Reply-To: <001001c6a761$bebc36f0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <001001c6a761$bebc36f0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:47:17 +0000 (UTC) At 09:22 AM 7/14/2006, markfrancombe.com wrote: >Quik test: >Came home from holiday in France, picked up the ole geetar and EDP for a >well missed twang... and er... pedals dont work... it a FCB, and both >units are set to Chan 1, I AMD getting Program change messages to to EDP >cos my Presets load OK, but nothing happening on the actual REC MULT INS >OVEDB buttons... woss this all about I ask you??? YELP!!!! What Have I >forgotton??? do the buttons on the front panel of the echoplex work? Or is the problem that the FCB1010 is not sending the correct midi commands? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 17:22:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46FA83BEDF; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gZ6eKYKAorrsF9jD96cEIY2oAJyT5f9t6jor547Z0o6SpXPo1YSE8Q1OxvyFsYLe; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "Mark Rosenberg" To: "'Dan Ash'" , Subject: RE: What will sync to EDP? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:22:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcanZEMyGRz6vGTeQLO7+IJ5KeaOoAAAEgkA In-Reply-To: <44B68AD2.9010608@Verizon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: aae645ccc46681abbb1fa941a32d448994f5150ab1c16ac05e64a811bd85dd4f7fb94e1b875c24580a5e46ffdfb15cb5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.246.48.68 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:22:28 +0000 (UTC) I just got my EDP after several months of trying to figure out how to use Live 5 and a FCB1010 in a live performance situation. My conclusion was that none of the options for automating the Live 5 session view were going to meet my needs. However, Live runs like a champ as a Rewire master to Reason 3. My experience with VSTs has been that some are better integrated with some hosts than others. With Reason, new sounds don't require new virtual instruments (e.g. Miroslav refill for Reason NNXT sampler) as seems to be the case with many VSTs (in particular, those embedding Kontakt), and therefore no new MIDI controller programming. Now that I have an EDP under my feet, it seems unlikely that Live will ever compete directly against a dedicated looping box like the EDP. Live's session view is brilliant, unique, and well suited to DJing or clip shuffling in real time. A good reason in itself to favor Live over Sonar, Cubase, Protools, etc. An EDP inspired VST like Mobius would be very complementary in a performance setting. Are you able to record Mobius audio output into Live? -----Original Message----- From: Dan Ash [mailto:Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What will sync to EDP? > my attempts the last 2 nights to get StylusRMX in Sonar 5 to sync to the EDP has > resulted in Sonar freezing as soon as the midi sync button is pushed from > within Sonar. Sonar works as a master just fine, but no-slave-can-do. A hold-over from the old days, Sonar ('Cakewalk' back then) was never very happy as slave. There are also a number of posts on the Sonar forums that point out that Sonar has problems hosting Stylus RMX. > host Mobius as master or slave depending on my situation. I ended up with > Ableton's Live 5. Now I know Sonar is a lot more robust in many ways compared > to Live but I found Live to be very good at following any clock I threw at it. I'm mainly interesting in Mobius as master, but am also looking for a stable VST host. I want to run Mobius and a few synths and effects and it doesn't seem to run at all in Sonar - also you can't record the Mobius looped output. This is a known issue/limitation based on several posts on Yahoo group 'ZoneMobius'. Tracktion version 1 as host to Mobius doesn't appear to work well - I'd like to know about Tracktion version 2 if anyone has had success. Routing in Tracktion makes me crazy and maybe there's another way, but my scheme called for two instances of Mobius. Had bad problems with midi delay and getting both instances to respond to the same midi message from ny footcontroller (FCB1010). REAPER (in beta) as host to Mobius is still unstable on my system (Dell 8400 w/ MOTU Traveler under WinXPPro). Best stability so far is in Ableton Live! 5.2 (I am using the demo until I decide it's the right solution). Dan Ash White Plains, NY __________ NOD32 1.1660 (20060714) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. part000.txt - file is not an archive http://www.eset.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 17:30:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71A7F3BEDA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: "Whittock, Tom" , , "Wanadoo Webform Response" , "Wanadoo Customer Service" , "tom" , , "Sunao Inami" , "Sony Felberg" , "Small Nations Festival" , "Side st. 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Ben Noble" , "Coral Cole" , , "CME" , "chris meek" , "Charlie Power" , , "catherine liles" , , "Brian West" , "brendon" , "Breeze, Brian" , , "biljana monro" , "Bernhard Wagner" , "aw-confirm" , "Ashley Phillips" , "Andy Harber" , Subject: Fw: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:10:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6A839.FFEBBF00" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <1mU7ZB.A.SMG.ET9tEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6A839.FFEBBF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: COMPUTER VIRUSES ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Breeze, Brian=20 To: relms140@hotmail.co.uk ; E. Breeze ; shaun.carling@yahoo.com.au ; = Evans M.A. ; Ruhr M.V.D. ; = gareth.whittock@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk ; Mike Gibbins ; = ljnickolds@fsmail.net ; tonnagirl@hotmail.com ; Brian Cainen ; Dr Paul A = Conway ; darren james ; dave@swanseajazzland.co.uk ; = bendy_studios@hotmail.co.uk ; Jenkins Ann. ; Adrian Scott ; = c.meek@swan.ac.uk ; Sheepy . ; eurof@acmetv.net ; Elliott J. ; IAN = SIMMONS ; Kuljurgis, Carsten ; Phillips, Leighton ; PETER WILLIAMS ; = paaching@hotmail.com ; Phillipa ; Rasha Albazaz ; = rick.lewis@philosophynow.org ; sales@northdown.demon.co.uk ; = swanseajazzland1@yahoo.co.uk ; Michael Jenkins=20 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: FW: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned =20 From: Dobrowolski Michael = [mailto:Michael.Dobrowolski@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk]=20 Sent: 14 July 2006 07:34 To: 'chrisdobrowolska@lineone.net'; 'Mark Carr'; Lewis, Bob Subject: FW: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned Importance: High =20 =20 Watch for this one, =20 Mike =20 Be alert during the next few days: Don't open any message with an = attached file called "Invitation", regardless of who sent it. 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To: relms140@hotmail.co.uk ; E.=20 Breeze ; shaun.carling@yahoo.com.au= ; Evans=20 M.A. ; Ruhr M.V.D. ; gareth.wh= ittock@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk=20 ; Mike = Gibbins ; ljnickolds@fsmail.net ; tonnagirl@hotmail.com ; Brian=20 Cainen ; Dr=20 Paul A Conway ; darren james ; dave@swanseajazzland.co.uk= ; bendy_studios@hotmail.co.uk ; Jenkins=20 Ann. ; Adrian Scott ; c.meek@swan.ac.uk ;=20 Sheepy . ;=20 eurof@acmetv.net ;=20 Elliott=20 J. ; IAN=20 SIMMONS ; Kuljurgis, Carsten ; Phillips, Leighton ; PETER WILLIAMS ; paaching@hotmail.com ; Phillipa ;=20 Rasha=20 Albazaz ; rick.lewis@philosophynow.org= ; sales@northdown.demon.co.uk ; swanseajazzland1@yahoo.co.uk= ; Michael Jenkins
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Sent: 14 July 2006=20 07:34
To: 'chrisdobrowolska@lineone.= net';=20 'Mark Carr'; Lewis, Bob
Subject: FW: : COMPUTER VIRUSES = be=20 warned
Importance:=20 High

 

 

Watch for = this=20 one,

 

Mike

 

Be alert during the next = few=20 days:  Don't open any message with an attached file called = "Invitation",=20 regardless of who sent it.  It's a virus that opens an Olympic = Torch that=20 "burns" the whole hard disk of your computer.  This virus will come = from=20 someone who has your e-mail address; that's why you should send this = e-mail to=20 all your contacts.  It's better to receive this message 25 times = than to=20 receive the virus DON'T open it and shut down your computer = immediately... =20 This is the worst virus announced by CNN, it's been classified by = Microsoft as=20 the most destructive virus ever.  The virus was discovered by Mcfee = yesterday, and there's no repair yet for this particular virus.  It = simply=20 destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disk, where vital information is=20 kept.

>Also:- Emails with = pictures of=20 Osama Bin-Laden hanged are being sent and the moment you open these = emails your=20 computer will crash and you will not be able to fix it! This e-mail is = being=20 distributed through countries around the globe, but mainly in the=20 US and Israel.=20 Don't be inconsiderate; send this warning to whomever you know.  If = you get=20 an email along the lines of "Osama Bin Laden Captured" or "Osama Hanged" = don't=20 open the attachment.

This will also affect home = machines.

       =20 SEND THIS E-MAIL TO = EVERYONE YOU=20 KNOW.

SO2 G2 (Prot = Sy)

The information contained = in this=20 email is privat and is solely for the use of the intended =

Recipient(s).  If = you are not=20 the inteded recipient, you have no legal right to use the=20 contents

Of this email.  The = views=20 expressed in this email do not necessarily reflect =20 Government



*******************************************************************= ***
This email=20 and any files transmitted with it are private and intended=20
solely for=20 the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20
If you have=20 received this email in error please return it to the address=20
it came from=20 telling them it is not for you and then delete it from your=20 system.

This email=20 message has been swept for computer viruses.

*******************************************************************= ***

The=20 original of this email was scanned for viruses by Government Secure = Intranet=20 (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & = Wireless in=20 partnership with MessageLabs.
On leaving the GSI this email was = certified=20 virus free.
The MessageLabs Anti Virus Service is the first managed = service=20 to achieve the CSIA Claims Tested Mark (CCTM Certificate Number = 2006/04/0007),=20 the UK Government quality mark initiative for information security = products and=20 services. For more information about this please visit=20 www.cctmark.gov.uk

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C6A839.FFEBBF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 18:10:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06FE63BEE2; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JrqF6RzdcguRKlsE18SVJlP2SC0U4j74dHwjePqYxHr/c5xbdWog1QYQSNwfjoIKvAmg+QivUu6FiYuqHOcDJ59kAxsMlGjThiPbR+JUVccTvSrNTi7VBwBg9/Uk4YF1pftqbhi35k8bUOytbgPhANIElwDsaqOpqXFfBydQJfI= ; Message-ID: <20060714181005.6686.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Fw: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:10:08 +0000 (UTC) thanks for the warning,sounds like a nasty virus! future, dsv --- gareth whittock wrote: > FW: COMPUTER VIRUSES > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Breeze, Brian > To: relms140@hotmail.co.uk ; E. Breeze ; > shaun.carling@yahoo.com.au ; Evans M.A. ; Ruhr > M.V.D. ; > gareth.whittock@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk ; > Mike Gibbins ; ljnickolds@fsmail.net ; > tonnagirl@hotmail.com ; Brian Cainen ; Dr Paul A > Conway ; darren james ; dave@swanseajazzland.co.uk ; > bendy_studios@hotmail.co.uk ; Jenkins Ann. ; Adrian > Scott ; c.meek@swan.ac.uk ; Sheepy . ; > eurof@acmetv.net ; Elliott J. ; IAN SIMMONS ; > Kuljurgis, Carsten ; Phillips, Leighton ; PETER > WILLIAMS ; paaching@hotmail.com ; Phillipa ; Rasha > Albazaz ; rick.lewis@philosophynow.org ; > sales@northdown.demon.co.uk ; > swanseajazzland1@yahoo.co.uk ; Michael Jenkins > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:12 AM > Subject: FW: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned > > > > > From: Dobrowolski Michael > [mailto:Michael.Dobrowolski@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk] > Sent: 14 July 2006 07:34 > To: 'chrisdobrowolska@lineone.net'; 'Mark Carr'; > Lewis, Bob > Subject: FW: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned > Importance: High > > > > > > Watch for this one, > > > > Mike > > > > Be alert during the next few days: Don't open any > message with an attached file called "Invitation", > regardless of who sent it. It's a virus that opens > an Olympic Torch that "burns" the whole hard disk of > your computer. This virus will come from someone > who has your e-mail address; that's why you should > send this e-mail to all your contacts. It's better > to receive this message 25 times than to receive the > virus DON'T open it and shut down your computer > immediately... This is the worst virus announced by > CNN, it's been classified by Microsoft as the most > destructive virus ever. The virus was discovered by > Mcfee yesterday, and there's no repair yet for this > particular virus. It simply destroys the Zero > Sector of the Hard Disk, where vital information is > kept. > > >Also:- Emails with pictures of Osama Bin-Laden > hanged are being sent and the moment you open these > emails your computer will crash and you will not be > able to fix it! This e-mail is being distributed > through countries around the globe, but mainly in > the US and Israel. Don't be inconsiderate; send this > warning to whomever you know. If you get an email > along the lines of "Osama Bin Laden Captured" or > "Osama Hanged" don't open the attachment. > > This will also affect home machines. > > SEND THIS E-MAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. > > SO2 G2 (Prot Sy) > > The information contained in this email is privat > and is solely for the use of the intended > > Recipient(s). If you are not the inteded recipient, > you have no legal right to use the contents > > Of this email. The views expressed in this email do > not necessarily reflect Government > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are > private and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to > whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please > return it to the address > it came from telling them it is not for you and then > delete it from your system. > > This email message has been swept for computer > viruses. > > ********************************************************************** > > The original of this email was scanned for viruses > by Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning > service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in > partnership with MessageLabs. > On leaving the GSI this email was certified virus > free. > The MessageLabs Anti Virus Service is the first > managed service to achieve the CSIA Claims Tested > Mark (CCTM Certificate Number 2006/04/0007), the UK > Government quality mark initiative for information > security products and services. For more information > about this please visit www.cctmark.gov.uk > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 18:11:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4BE3BEE1; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060714141137.ts4ml9xv4ogc44gw@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:11:37 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hoax!!!!! COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned..... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3kbAmB.A.LO.e59tEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Just checked this out, it's a long time hoax that keeps resurfacing. check out http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/olympictorch.html Quoting gareth whittock : > FW: COMPUTER VIRUSES > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Breeze, Brian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 18:16:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59C883BEEE; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cKFpokLd2BU95GAJ0KxWjo0nP1gg4GNxd/yx3ROED0VGNpgDQxSb/jolRMk4rvNHyALBabOIQKXZ31fOz6BeBjJcQHUQwuxXl2KG7mR6AXvqtg9z/6fnd9tT2RrECixdmSJ32tHhAnP6CJZhaki93CzclJxYlsY4wx0Yim2LZAE= ; Message-ID: <20060714181630.55740.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Hoax!!!!! COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060714141137.ts4ml9xv4ogc44gw@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:16:32 +0000 (UTC) link didnt work,but thanks. DS --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Just checked this out, it's a long time hoax that > keeps resurfacing. > > check out > http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/olympictorch.html > > > > > > > Quoting gareth whittock > : > > > FW: COMPUTER VIRUSES > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Breeze, Brian > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 18:53:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6133F3BEE1; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VBbrkj6ZNTGBSI0/XwXtkaqUAseCcG/5mrT4WrVTQ+DcnfveE7+pji4MxZYhhkN+a/jEAXE3G3cEqq9/ELFRbKF+YEAAH89ko+QC7p6KQzvw82kYt/C67f3lLqgvawkmji3jyc99zRp2G+eqkOqz09UhdpS/4Cn1G3LvyBIIljY= ; Message-ID: <20060714185301.15467.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:53:01 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1533158704-1152903181=:15309" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1oKrcC.A.jiB.Pg-tEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:53:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1533158704-1152903181=:15309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording. I will try explaining with my poor english. I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps fx-rute. I do this to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my loops and on my guitar-leads. I do like the sound. What I miss: I would like to play live, and still be able to record the loops and my more regular guitarplaying into different tracks (live). I could buy more amps... Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and sound http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm What kind of setup do you guys use and why ? best regards of Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1533158704-1152903181=:15309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi !

Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording.

I will try explaining with my poor english.

I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps fx-rute. I do this to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my loops and on my guitar-leads. I do like the sound.

What I miss:
I would like to play live, and still be able to record the loops and my more regular guitarplaying into different tracks (live). I could buy more amps...

Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ?

I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and sound  http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm

What kind of setup do you guys use and why ?



best regards of Rune F.



www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1533158704-1152903181=:15309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 18:58:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE6743BEE2; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44B7EA47.4090902@infin8ty.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:02:31 -0700 From: phalen180 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DJRND2, KAOSS Pads, Ensoniq DP/4, ETC. For Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Dear Fellow Loopers, I've recently found out that my wife and I are expecting our first child. A very exciting time for us! Unfortunately, to make room and in anticipation of future expenses and tighter schedules, I'll be selling some of my music equipment. I have the following items for sale: DJRND2 custom looper made by Emmanuel Perille $500 KAOSS PAD KP-1 (x2) $125 each ENSONIQ DP/4 effects processor $200 - one input gain knob is broken off doesn't affect usability much at all KORG MS2000 analog modeling synth $500 I also have a couple of rack units that I could only sell locally given their weight. The first is made of wood covered with black carpet with side handles, removable front, back and top panels, 6 rack spaces, a sliding shelf and space for power adapters underneath the rack spots. $50 The second is a metal slanted studio rack about 2 feet high and 2 feet deep, I think it's 6 or 8 rack spaces, but I don't know for sure. $25 I live in Orange, CA and work in Glendora, CA. Local pickup preferred but will ship anywhere in the world. Hope I can help someone out with this gear and pass along the joy to fellow loopers. Best, Jonathan (aka phalen180 / hilflos kind) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 19:03:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ED6F3BEE2; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hoax!!!!! COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned..... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:02:59 +0000 Message-Id: <071420061902.16958.44B7EA6300063C9D0000423E2200750330CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Even so, the spirit of the warning is appreciated. Thanks, Gareth! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: daniel stevenson > link didnt work,but thanks. > DS > > --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > > > Just checked this out, it's a long time hoax that > > keeps resurfacing. > > > > check out > > > http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/olympictorch.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting gareth whittock > > : > > > > > FW: COMPUTER VIRUSES > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Breeze, Brian > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 19:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7BEE3BEE0; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1152900020.44b7dbb4b1c70@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:00:20 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:06:52 +0000 (UTC) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE investigate these things before sending out email. This is a hoax, and, if you think about it, a virus unto itself.. you have been infected, and you are spreading it.. http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/invitation.asp a good rule of thumb, if it says 'send this to everyone you know', it's likely to be a hoax... peace -cpr Quoting gareth whittock : > FW: COMPUTER VIRUSES > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Breeze, Brian > To: relms140@hotmail.co.uk ; E. Breeze ; shaun.carling@yahoo.com.au ; Evans > M.A. ; Ruhr M.V.D. ; gareth.whittock@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk ; Mike > Gibbins ; ljnickolds@fsmail.net ; tonnagirl@hotmail.com ; Brian Cainen ; Dr > Paul A Conway ; darren james ; dave@swanseajazzland.co.uk ; > bendy_studios@hotmail.co.uk ; Jenkins Ann. ; Adrian Scott ; c.meek@swan.ac.uk > ; Sheepy . ; eurof@acmetv.net ; Elliott J. ; IAN SIMMONS ; Kuljurgis, Carsten > ; Phillips, Leighton ; PETER WILLIAMS ; paaching@hotmail.com ; Phillipa ; > Rasha Albazaz ; rick.lewis@philosophynow.org ; sales@northdown.demon.co.uk ; > swanseajazzland1@yahoo.co.uk ; Michael Jenkins > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:12 AM > Subject: FW: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned > > > > > From: Dobrowolski Michael [mailto:Michael.Dobrowolski@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk] > > Sent: 14 July 2006 07:34 > To: 'chrisdobrowolska@lineone.net'; 'Mark Carr'; Lewis, Bob > Subject: FW: : COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned > Importance: High > > > > > > Watch for this one, > > > > Mike > > > > Be alert during the next few days: Don't open any message with an attached > file called "Invitation", regardless of who sent it. It's a virus that opens > an Olympic Torch that "burns" the whole hard disk of your computer. This > virus will come from someone who has your e-mail address; that's why you > should send this e-mail to all your contacts. It's better to receive this > message 25 times than to receive the virus DON'T open it and shut down your > computer immediately... This is the worst virus announced by CNN, it's been > classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. The virus was > discovered by Mcfee yesterday, and there's no repair yet for this particular > virus. It simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disk, where vital > information is kept. > > >Also:- Emails with pictures of Osama Bin-Laden hanged are being sent and the > moment you open these emails your computer will crash and you will not be > able to fix it! This e-mail is being distributed through countries around the > globe, but mainly in the US and Israel. Don't be inconsiderate; send this > warning to whomever you know. If you get an email along the lines of "Osama > Bin Laden Captured" or "Osama Hanged" don't open the attachment. > > This will also affect home machines. > > SEND THIS E-MAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW. > > SO2 G2 (Prot Sy) > > The information contained in this email is privat and is solely for the use > of the intended > > Recipient(s). If you are not the inteded recipient, you have no legal right > to use the contents > > Of this email. 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For more information about this please visit www.cctmark.gov.uk > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 19:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87ABD3BEDD; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:38:35 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c6a77d$1980cd60$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060714185301.15467.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcandryrNTH28ZxnR1+/ZxPtoOpStQABWujw Resent-Message-ID: <9wrzED.A.C6F.EL_tEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Don't know if I really get what you want to do, but I'll try: I guess the most simple setup to do multitrack recording, taking into account that you most probably already have a sufficient computer, would be to use a mixer with multitrack firewire interface. I was told (but haven't tried them myself) that the ones with the best price/performance ratio are the Alesis MultiMix Firewire thingies (which are available as 8, 12 and 16 channel variants), which also come with a Cubase LE software. ________________________________ Von: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Juli 2006 20:53 An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Hi ! Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording. I will try explaining with my poor english. I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps fx-rute. I do this to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my loops and on my guitar-leads. I do like the sound. What I miss: I would like to play live, and still be able to record the loops and my more regular guitarplaying into different tracks (live). I could buy more amps... Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and sound http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm What kind of setup do you guys use and why ? best regards of Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 19:58:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F0423BEDE; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=n0QGmfrWIkRqNB2a6UEGCGA6szXWb609G+akEKVsvrSdUUmhNj6pVOdxvDj0fPziEMVR1/Ffg3ioOxKE4rrY9zs7fVds/0X/ZgOTU1OTEsDMAPdUzpfYQjcRGMBvJJtbwtsqhjNJBBSrmPphACCd1Xa9A5HVDsE3BHUBMH16wvM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C84CBC5-7464-41E8-9E79-75CF5D967907@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: What will sync to EDP? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:29:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:58:28 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 14, 2006, at 19:22, Mark Rosenberg wrote: > An EDP inspired VST like Mobius would be very > complementary in a performance setting. > > Are you able to record Mobius audio output into Live? Yes. Any audio stream passing Live can be recorded as an Audio Clip. Simply arm the Track and select a Slot. You can route audio streams between Tracks and you can send them to Return Tracks (effect loops) that are set to other tracks (by the Return Track's output box). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 19:58:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53DB43BEEA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WFJMX6YnielOztGNGhlfrzga0dIq7w60KyHKkUl797kJ1PV1QI8LD5hij8UsobUNIxFOMlru8tiHhZ++jdPMHuW5sR0shu7sKSly+8/Ym8p/ib4Uem87qRHtNqAx7cYUHwiRwxm0VNwYbBV8sW5ZsRYUNE+u3nFeYyDYsFAwb4g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060714185301.15467.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060714185301.15467.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:55:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:58:30 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 14, 2006, at 20:53, rune fagereng wrote: > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, > and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. Try putting the Repeater in the effect loop of a little mixer. Play your effect boxes before the mixer or, depending in what type of box it is, in other mixer loops. Be sure to not use the Repeater input with the latency afflicted direct sound; there should be no direct sound for a mixer effect loop placement of a Repeater. Bring back the four repeater outputs on separate mixer channels. Send the mixer master output to the PA system. This set-up will meat all your ambitions except making your mono guitar signal stereo. But you can use a stereo fx box for that. You can pan your four loop tracks as you wish and even split a Repeater stereo track into two mono tracks and slip one of them for ultra wide stereo (that trick is especially cool if your first recorded "stereo loop" is mono recorded into two panned Repeater tracks). FYI I was using such a mixer/Repeater/EDP rig some years ago and found it very creative. The only drawback was the huge rack and the noise coming with the mixer (picture at www.looproom.com/ livelooping.php) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 20:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103293BEDF; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GKvrCHBDVBdf8HpLjtiGY2s/ZW2eINuQkDHcA+q972gQUDQShSW5Jc50fv+5giiDld0rdW4V9ecbH15U6CBfJIDXuH37JdQbzrUk9rcQZ1NreqsgNTtrnJ6abmoYiBdLbExBb9xRJ/qU0HSZTsgdT48FVsSrwftMorVKeoYNXBU= ; Message-ID: <20060714201017.21189.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:10:17 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1102982108-1152907817=:20847" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:10:19 +0000 (UTC) --0-1102982108-1152907817=:20847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks ! You answer as always, as a gentleman. best regards Rune F Per Boysen skrev: On Jul 14, 2006, at 20:53, rune fagereng wrote: > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, > and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. Try putting the Repeater in the effect loop of a little mixer. Play your effect boxes before the mixer or, depending in what type of box it is, in other mixer loops. Be sure to not use the Repeater input with the latency afflicted direct sound; there should be no direct sound for a mixer effect loop placement of a Repeater. Bring back the four repeater outputs on separate mixer channels. Send the mixer master output to the PA system. This set-up will meat all your ambitions except making your mono guitar signal stereo. But you can use a stereo fx box for that. You can pan your four loop tracks as you wish and even split a Repeater stereo track into two mono tracks and slip one of them for ultra wide stereo (that trick is especially cool if your first recorded "stereo loop" is mono recorded into two panned Repeater tracks). FYI I was using such a mixer/Repeater/EDP rig some years ago and found it very creative. The only drawback was the huge rack and the noise coming with the mixer (picture at www.looproom.com/ livelooping.php) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1102982108-1152907817=:20847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks !
 
You answer as always, as a gentleman.
 
best regards Rune F

Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
On Jul 14, 2006, at 20:53, rune fagereng wrote:

> Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ?
>
> I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and
> still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying,
> and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo.

Try putting the Repeater in the effect loop of a little mixer. Play
your effect boxes before the mixer or, depending in what type of box
it is, in other mixer loops. Be sure to not use the Repeater input
with the latency afflicted direct sound; there should be no direct
sound for a mixer effect loop placement of a Repeater. Bring back the
four repeater outputs on separate mixer channels. Send the mixer
master output to the PA system.

This set-up will meat all your ambitions except making your mono
guitar signal stereo. But you can use a stereo fx box for that. You
can pan your four loop tracks as you wish and even split a Repeater
stereo track into two mono tracks and slip one of them for ultra wide
stereo (that trick is especially cool if your first recorded "stereo
loop" is mono recorded into two panned Repeater tracks).

FYI I was using such a mixer/Repeater/EDP rig some years ago and
found it very creative. The only drawback was the huge rack and the
noise coming with the mixer (picture at www.looproom.com/
livelooping.php)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom






www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1102982108-1152907817=:20847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 20:23:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FFBA3BEE1; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <487.5d1e9bc.31e95723@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:22:59 EDT Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_487.5d1e9bc.31e95723_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:23:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_487.5d1e9bc.31e95723_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rune.....looking at the pictures on your site i did not see a mixer.....if you do not use one it should fit the bill for you (allow you to do what you want).....can we have a loopfest at your cabin, sounds wonderful!.....hope this helps.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_487.5d1e9bc.31e95723_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable rune.....looking at the pictures on you= r site i did not see a mixer.....if you do not use one it should fit the bil= l for you (allow you to do what you want).....can we have a loopfest at your= cabin, sounds wonderful!.....hope this helps.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_487.5d1e9bc.31e95723_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 20:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1EA53BEDC; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xpt3k6PVlZPKHLCKFr2i1GLCrGEY47+VoTkfpw2SN8g+QdONELSiYVpCa/hkVMIx7SdqdYkfhrMH5KH91uUT+2J+cgnK0jTBBEwbcd4SgEKp8Wy3HUI2/o73ebUFQfLd9+SWSmcQb0EYwT8SL1B+yuK8W7OIjHqHlaqu4M95NVM= ; Message-ID: <20060714202408.19664.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:24:08 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1610714686-1152908648=:17265" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:24:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1610714686-1152908648=:17265 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I`ll look into this. Thanks ! Please tell me, in this setup can I also use one amp for analog guitarsound ? Can you make a signal routing drawing ? My gear is; git- prescription fuzz-wah- rat- boss dd- boss sustain-micro synth-tc 2290-repeater-mesa-fender. If I buy a mixer, and still wants one amp? best regards Rune F Per Boysen skrev: On Jul 14, 2006, at 20:53, rune fagereng wrote: > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, > and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. Try putting the Repeater in the effect loop of a little mixer. Play your effect boxes before the mixer or, depending in what type of box it is, in other mixer loops. Be sure to not use the Repeater input with the latency afflicted direct sound; there should be no direct sound for a mixer effect loop placement of a Repeater. Bring back the four repeater outputs on separate mixer channels. Send the mixer master output to the PA system. This set-up will meat all your ambitions except making your mono guitar signal stereo. But you can use a stereo fx box for that. You can pan your four loop tracks as you wish and even split a Repeater stereo track into two mono tracks and slip one of them for ultra wide stereo (that trick is especially cool if your first recorded "stereo loop" is mono recorded into two panned Repeater tracks). FYI I was using such a mixer/Repeater/EDP rig some years ago and found it very creative. The only drawback was the huge rack and the noise coming with the mixer (picture at www.looproom.com/ livelooping.php) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1610714686-1152908648=:17265 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I`ll look into this. Thanks !
Please tell me, in this setup can I also use one amp for analog guitarsound ?
Can you make a signal routing drawing ?
 
My gear is; git- prescription fuzz-wah- rat- boss dd- boss sustain-micro synth-tc 2290-repeater-mesa-fender.
 
If I buy a mixer, and still wants one amp?
 
best regards Rune F 

Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
On Jul 14, 2006, at 20:53, rune fagereng wrote:

> Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ?
>
> I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and
> still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying,
> and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo.

Try putting the Repeater in the effect loop of a little mixer. Play
your effect boxes before the mixer or, depending in what type of box
it is, in other mixer loops. Be sure to not use the Repeater input
with the latency afflicted direct sound; there should be no direct
sound for a mixer effect loop placement of a Repeater. Bring back the
four repeater outputs on separate mixer channels. Send the mixer
master output to the PA system.

This set-up will meat all your ambitions except making your mono
guitar signal stereo. But you can use a stereo fx box for that. You
can pan your four loop tracks as you wish and even split a Repeater
stereo track into two mono tracks and slip one of them for ultra wide
stereo (that trick is especially cool if your first recorded "stereo
loop" is mono recorded into two panned Repeater tracks).

FYI I was using such a mixer/Repeater/EDP rig some years ago and
found it very creative. The only drawback was the huge rack and the
noise coming with the mixer (picture at www.looproom.com/
livelooping.php)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom






www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1610714686-1152908648=:17265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 20:26:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7323BEE9; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UFstRNNtAjetVYNenb7ddbZ5g4bvtXAp6njFYiXtHozavMS5XvErtanzJR1weN2mgeqOt//xzFGo4qOaQvri7XX3r21hKUQQTSwy/5/EzdsQKtTnjZ+lqOnoQ8XyRKvLzvE8ICl3cLpIHyn4k7aDwYMQICRTF30q56hZixWAKBI= ; Message-ID: <20060714202647.37293.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:26:47 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <487.5d1e9bc.31e95723@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-322306534-1152908807=:33897" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5zt-jD.A.wtF.I4_tEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:26:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-322306534-1152908807=:33897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks ! Yes, a party would be nice. I`ll look into buying a mixer. best regards of Rune F. Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev: rune.....looking at the pictures on your site i did not see a mixer.....if you do not use one it should fit the bill for you (allow you to do what you want).....can we have a loopfest at your cabin, sounds wonderful!.....hope this helps.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-322306534-1152908807=:33897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks !
 
Yes, a party would be nice.
I`ll look into buying a mixer.
 
best regards of Rune F.
 

Nemoguitt@aol.com skrev:
rune.....looking at the pictures on your site i did not see a mixer.....if you do not use one it should fit the bill for you (allow you to do what you want).....can we have a loopfest at your cabin, sounds wonderful!.....hope this helps.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-322306534-1152908807=:33897-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 20:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07B9E3BEDA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <96036664-6453-4198-847F-197E52A36161@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-35-657178063 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:55:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:56:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-35-657178063 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Rune you might also want to check out the Looperlative - www.looperlative.com - you have the option to record 8 separate stereo tracks, which can be synced to eachother, multiples of eachother or completely independent. And when the software is upgraded, it will eventually be able to have any of those 8 routed to the three stereo outs, which you could send to separate amps, or to separate ins on your recording device. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-35-657178063 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rune

you might also want to = check out the Looperlative - www.looperlative.com - you have = the option to record 8 separate stereo tracks, which can be synced to = eachother, multiples of eachother or completely independent. And when = the software is upgraded, it will eventually be able to have any of = those 8 routed to the three stereo outs, which you could send to = separate amps, or to separate ins on your recording = device.=A0

cheers

= http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-35-657178063-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 21:06:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC22B3BEDA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <44B43E1A.1070204@adelphia.net> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC93FF@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <2D332CD8-3AA1-458B-9AEC-40722BDF5CBB@zoekeating.com> <44B43E1A.1070204@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <83A29A1F-205F-4A32-B7ED-5133F233744C@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Do you hear that sound? noisy FCB 1010! Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:06:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Server-Quench: a0580772-137c-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZlU0Gll1 UkhJREJQFg9oBxYC BFAZUwdzcwRYcXdu Z0dgQXJeXkFldQgm RDsoEwtsYmdpbWQW WQ5QcAIaIQNPdh9C bVJiVXAKMngGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYQ QFgTGihnHUAMXW0v LxU6YkUbAUAdZQ00 Nlo6SBo2GDVaU1UH Rwgl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.56/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:06:34 +0000 (UTC) I think that must be it! On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Brian Good wrote: > Zoe Keating wrote: >> t...in the UK the pedal is quiet. in the US the pedal has a hum! > > So you don't think it's just the well-known British reserve? > > Brian > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 21:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A673BEE1; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060714202408.19664.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060714202408.19664.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4CADDDE6-DCE2-43AD-BFA4-A69172AFE8EC@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:46:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0Y5rcC.A.p5C.aGBuEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:50:20 +0000 (UTC) > My gear is; git- prescription fuzz-wah- rat- boss dd- boss sustain- > micro synth-tc 2290-repeater-mesa-fender. > > If I buy a mixer, and still wants one amp? > Suggestion: Look into the Switchblade GL from www.soundsculpture.com I didn't keep up with everything you're looking to do, but the Switchblade line easily replaces an external mixer and lets you route any effect to any other effect. You can use multiple amps, too. You can blend and mix the signals in just about any way you can imagine. Anyway, I mention it just in case you weren't aware that this box was out there. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 14 22:25:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98D493BEE2; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44B81957.6070700@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:23:19 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? References: <20060714185301.15467.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060714185301.15467.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rune, if it can help, here is my latest setup and a brief intro: After one year of analysis before switching my "hardware-just" setup to a hw/sw one, the following set up is what I consider the best solution combining my hardware and a light software for real time processing, looping and routing control. Eventide Orville Tc Electronic Fireworx Boss Vf1 Rme FF800 ( will be substituted by a FF400) Rolls Midiwizard foot controller with 5 continous pedals Doepfer controlfader ( 16 midi faders) Laptop The sw application in which all midi/audio routing and Mobius hosting happen is Usine. Audio input enters via Fireface inputs 1/2 ( 1 for mic, 2 for gtr). All the hardware effectors are connected via analog or digital connections to the Fireface ( in and out). The input is split to the 4 ( Orville is a double stereo processor) stereo outputs that go into the respective hardware processors. Their outputs come back to the Fireface inputs. Fireface sends a mixed master output from channels 9/10 ( potentially you could get crazy with multichannel settings here !) There is no dry signal going to master out. I have the chance to "feed" any single processor using 4 of the continous controllers for parallel processing. Mobius is on an "aux track". I have set ( not yet honestly, but I will do it tomorrow) things so that: There is a crossing midi control that shifts the Fireworx from being processing the main input or Mobius output ( one single control to avoid feedbacks). I can send the Vf1 out to feed Orville second processor ( default setup) or keeping them separate, each one fed by main input. Other midi controls are used for single processors outputs and to control their espective algorithm parameters. This is what I was looking for. The widest control over signal flow and a good user interface, to allow live use be musical and not scientifical. In this way I am using an audio interface and a laptop instead of two echoplexes ( and still feeling having not enough) and a Sound Sculpture Switchblade router/splitter, great but: 1) analog, 2) not deep as a sw matrix). I've sold my echoplexes and my Switchblade is on sale now. Now, this set up is under test of reliability ( knock on wood). best, luca rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording. > > I will try explaining with my poor english. > > I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps fx-rute. I do this > to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my loops and on my > guitar-leads. I do like the sound. > > What I miss: > I would like to play live, and still be able to record the loops and > my more regular guitarplaying into different tracks (live). I could > buy more amps... > > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, and > maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and > sound http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm > > What kind of setup do you guys use and why ? > > > > best regards of Rune F. > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 00:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211353BEDD; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <96036664-6453-4198-847F-197E52A36161@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <96036664-6453-4198-847F-197E52A36161@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-671369937 Message-Id: From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:52:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.surgecenter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rosewoodblues.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:52:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-671369937 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed can you even pick this thing up in the US yet? I would like to know more about it but the site is limited.... thanks, ken; On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:55 PM, Steve Lawson wrote: > Rune > > you might also want to check out the Looperlative - > www.looperlative.com - you have the option to record 8 separate > stereo tracks, which can be synced to eachother, multiples of > eachother or completely independent. And when the software is > upgraded, it will eventually be able to have any of those 8 routed > to the three stereo outs, which you could send to separate amps, or > to separate ins on your recording device. > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > --Apple-Mail-1-671369937 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 can you even pick this thing up = in the US yet? I would like to know more about it but the site is = limited....

thanks,
ken;
On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:55 PM, Steve Lawson wrote:

Rune
you might also want to = check out the Looperlative - www.looperlative.com - you have = the option to record 8 separate stereo tracks, which can be synced to = eachother, multiples of eachother or completely independent. And when = the software is upgraded, it will eventually be able to have any of = those 8 routed to the three stereo outs, which you could send to = separate amps, or to separate ins on your recording = device.=A0

cheers

= http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson




= --Apple-Mail-1-671369937-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 01:11:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20D713BEE6; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: Ken Hawkins Subject: OT selling a couple of echoplex' Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:11:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.surgecenter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rosewoodblues.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <_nuzKC.A.Ze.wCEuEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, at it again. before These go to ebay i thought I would see if anyone wants them here. I have a couple (stereo) of gibson echoplex's with one foot controller. http://web.mac.com/rosewoodblues/iWeb/Site/Rack%20system.html I will have to open a box to see if I have another foot controller. If anyone wants them I will let em go for 1400.00 for the pair with the controller. I am changing my gear again and trying some other looping alternatives.... please someone give these a good home as they have been babied here and work flawlessly! sorry if someone thinks this is spam. 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 01:43:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F27C3BEE0; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oe1Cemfk3e/OEb+EEr6k4ccSALZSg28+MFp6LJxtg7w9QIaJKLMnKR/0HeIr2ho6; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067615147850@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:47:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940697d017709f364f500f6740968478d6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.181 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:43:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass! ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or even most - or even any - of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing from the mainstream guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to be a big breakthrough. Fingers crossed... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog at a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out Monica. to the future, scary visionary --- Monica wrote: > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! > Mail Beta. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass!
~Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica
Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM
Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab...

Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or even most - or even any -
of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing from the mainstream
guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to be a big breakthrough.
Fingers crossed...
Monica

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog at
a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out
Monica.
to the future,
scary visionary

--- Monica wrote:

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http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html
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> Do you Yahoo!?
> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo!
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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 03:30:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 042593BEE6; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UuE79bmLRxddBSaxXSuh2UGO/wAx06cb5aLCw7wCXnUKsgxQTEV9i27ouGdTUmOpfk+nRsCzOLX/GmEJBDnlLjll3lAcEo2zvtH+hO8x8gni6Y1X4bGj3ztRwzXDJnu7T9DHhGYDd4leLSdzIvW/JS5neEtTpzAScdbKpn/bFAg= ; Message-ID: <20060715033041.87812.qmail@web55510.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-220067615147850@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-383265528-1152934241=:85234" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:30:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-383265528-1152934241=:85234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good news - BassLab also makes guitars! http://www.basslab.de Timothy Mungenast wrote: I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass! ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or even most - or even any - of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing from the mainstream guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to be a big breakthrough. Fingers crossed... Monica daniel stevenson wrote: I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog at a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out Monica. to the future, scary visionary --- Monica wrote: > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! > Mail Beta. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-383265528-1152934241=:85234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Good news - BassLab also makes guitars!
http://www.basslab.de

Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> wrote:
I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass!
~Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica
Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM
Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab...

Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or even most - or even any -
of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing from the mainstream
guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to be a big breakthrough.
Fingers crossed...
Monica

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog at
a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out
Monica.
to the future,
scary visionary

--- Monica wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo!
> Mail Beta.


__________________________________________________
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Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-383265528-1152934241=:85234-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 07:09:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79CC93BEE9; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-693989265 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: OT selling a couple of echoplex' Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:09:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:09:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-693989265 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed not for $1400 ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Ken Hawkins wrote: > Hi all, > > at it again. before These go to ebay i thought I would see if > anyone wants them here. I have a couple (stereo) of gibson > echoplex's with one foot controller. > > http://web.mac.com/rosewoodblues/iWeb/Site/Rack%20system.html > > I will have to open a box to see if I have another foot controller. > If anyone wants them I will let em go for 1400.00 for the pair with > the controller. I am changing my gear again and trying some other > looping alternatives.... > > please someone give these a good home as they have been babied here > and work flawlessly! > > sorry if someone thinks this is spam. I am looking to set up > similar to Fripp's current soundscaping rig. awesome stuff! > > cheers, > ken; > --Apple-Mail-9-693989265 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 not for $1400
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Ken Hawkins = wrote:

Hi all,

at it = again. before These go to ebay i thought I would see if anyone wants = them here. I have a couple (stereo) of gibson echoplex's with one foot = controller.


I will = have to open a box to see if I have another foot controller. If anyone = wants them I will let em go for 1400.00 for the pair with the = controller. I am changing my gear again and trying some other looping = alternatives....

please someone give these a good home as they have = been babied here and work flawlessly!

sorry if = someone thinks this is spam. I am looking to set up similar to Fripp's = current soundscaping rig. awesome stuff!

ken;

=

= --Apple-Mail-9-693989265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 07:26:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D8B3BEF4; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <071420061902.16958.44B7EA6300063C9D0000423E2200750330CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Hoax!!!!! COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned.....Wavedrum Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:26:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 07:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Sorry guys -shooting from the hip - I appreciate the response below - some people get REALLY arsey when other people make simple mistakes. Just about to take delivery of a Korg Wavedrum incidentally. Heard one in Japan and was blown away. Who else is looping with one? - tips? G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Hoax!!!!! COMPUTER VIRUSES be warned..... > Even so, the spirit of the warning is appreciated. Thanks, Gareth! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 08:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F4053BEF5; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:14:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show < 2 Hours from NOW!! To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44B8A3EB.3000504@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <3SyqmC.A.R3G.cSKuEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:17:33 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, July 15 at 6:00 am EDT / GMT-4 which is less than two hours from now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will also be featuring the latest releases from Progrock Records. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 09:29:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B83E13BEF7; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <8B023CEB-6AC7-4485-8B96-DE8A2572B714@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-36-702405689 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Looperlative availability (was Re: what kind of gear...) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:29:41 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:29:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-36-702405689 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Ken wrote: >>can you even pick this thing up in the US yet? I would like to know more about it but the site is limited.... Hi Ken, yes, you can order them direct from Bob, or there's a shop in New York that's taking orders too. The info is on the forum on the site - if you read the orders and availability thread, you'll get the latest news on orders and lead times. It's an incredible looper - I've been using mine since last November, recorded my whole new album with it, and have used it a lot for looping other people as well as me on duo gigs - it's passed all the tests so far! :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-36-702405689 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ken wrote:
>>can you = even pick this thing up in the US yet? I would like to know more about = it but the site is limited....

Hi Ken,=A0

yes, you can order them = direct from Bob, or there's a shop in New York that's taking orders too. = The info is on the forum on the site - if you read the orders and = availability thread, you'll get the latest news on orders and lead = times.=A0

It's = an incredible looper - I've been using mine since last November, = recorded my whole new album with it, and have used it a lot for looping = other people as well as me on duo gigs - it's passed all the tests so = far! :o)

cheers

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-36-702405689-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 10:17:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 328E63BEF3; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RCy7x+HXC0fcjk8vLUPxKUQAZt/u5C5iUsPbBU4UFzJW2rLn5x6e95Viqefu5JGzxgL8zdrs6ElLeA4HkydJ8B8pRS335ppzSJ9N9rx1PIPM2ayXn7cZ6wRMBNM+lL01ctU3iBJa27QDAqUVEtNCryIudmT+0YyjXIdyfUptCf0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060714202408.19664.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060714202408.19664.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <86F8D94E-6DE7-41F0-966A-4B4004F33014@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:43:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4UDvKC.A.7DC.rCMuEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rune, You can use one amp by putting it before the mixer. Guitar effect boxes can either be daisy chained between the amp and the mixer or put in the amp's effect loop, if there is one. Sometimes I have used a mic by the amp cab to snag the analog signal to send into the looping rig. Other times I have been lining the guitar through a Line-6 POD or a TC Electronics Fireworx... or a Really Nice Compressor (RNC, yes that IS the brand name). Bottom line is that anything that sounds good to you is fine, there are no rules. But the choice of gear is also about portability. The rig I'm now using for concerts on a traveling distance is a Peli flight case carrying a FCB1010 pedal, a laptop with Echo Indigo 2 in/2 out card bus audio converter, a FireworX, an RNC, two small Faderfox hand operated MIDI mixer/button pad and necessary cables. Right now I'm taking a break from the guitar and usually play sax, flute and make bizarre vocal sounds, but that may change (as it has in the past). The laptop may differ as well; now I'm mostly into looping in Mobius standalone version (Win XP) but last year I used a mac Powerbook to run Live and Augustus Loop. I have not sold my EDP yet because I like to play it too. Good pieces of gear are all different and just as instruments they inspire different music. Bottom line here is that you may need to use a certain piece of gear for some time before really understanding what it can do for you. And, of course, trying out all possible wirings to learn what each device gains or looses when used at a certain position in an effect chain. per On Jul 14, 2006, at 22:24, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I`ll look into this. Thanks ! > Please tell me, in this setup can I also use one amp for analog > guitarsound ? > Can you make a signal routing drawing ? > > My gear is; git- prescription fuzz-wah- rat- boss dd- boss sustain- > micro synth-tc 2290-repeater-mesa-fender. > > If I buy a mixer, and still wants one amp? > > best regards Rune F > > Per Boysen skrev: > On Jul 14, 2006, at 20:53, rune fagereng wrote: > > > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go into the loops, and > > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional guitarplaying, > > and maybe still have my guitarplaying in stereo. > > Try putting the Repeater in the effect loop of a little mixer. Play > your effect boxes before the mixer or, depending in what type of box > it is, in other mixer loops. Be sure to not use the Repeater input > with the latency afflicted direct sound; there should be no direct > sound for a mixer effect loop placement of a Repeater. Bring back the > four repeater outputs on separate mixer channels. Send the mixer > master output to the PA system. > > This set-up will meat all your ambitions except making your mono > guitar signal stereo. But you can use a stereo fx box for that. You > can pan your four loop tracks as you wish and even split a Repeater > stereo track into two mono tracks and slip one of them for ultra wide > stereo (that trick is especially cool if your first recorded "stereo > loop" is mono recorded into two panned Repeater tracks). > > FYI I was using such a mixer/Repeater/EDP rig some years ago and > found it very creative. The only drawback was the huge rack and the > noise coming with the mixer (picture at www.looproom.com/ > livelooping.php) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 12:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9A753BEF7; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gqs7YfQQiVSsoEd9ei+ee/z/beGdw+vI4KBcFBlks3jQdh+lo/j6DRz7CgtxxmOzFR6jwWxdeE1d5hLMGcav0RVbzdsaOncAPP2fdKMyUK9VCo1cU4ro127RNEOlrgx3eu0HO06zYsozPQ+kjbyNMHjXMxnG2kvAoHkW1jsQLRs= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:49:41 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative availability (was Re: what kind of gear...) In-Reply-To: <8B023CEB-6AC7-4485-8B96-DE8A2572B714@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8B023CEB-6AC7-4485-8B96-DE8A2572B714@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:49:43 +0000 (UTC) "there's a shop in New York" In NYC? What shop? Is there a chance I will be able to go to this shop and play one for myself? On 7/15/06, Steve Lawson wrote: > > Ken wrote: > >>can you even pick this thing up in the US yet? I would like to know more > about it but the site is limited.... > > Hi Ken, > > yes, you can order them direct from Bob, or there's a shop in New York > that's taking orders too. The info is on the forum on the site - if you read > the orders and availability thread, you'll get the latest news on orders and > lead times. > > It's an incredible looper - I've been using mine since last November, > recorded my whole new album with it, and have used it a lot for looping > other people as well as me on duo gigs - it's passed all the tests so far! > :o) > > cheers > > > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 14:08:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CB9D3BEF4; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8B023CEB-6AC7-4485-8B96-DE8A2572B714@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <8B023CEB-6AC7-4485-8B96-DE8A2572B714@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-719094322 Message-Id: <27608A36-D002-47C0-B443-30A90F897E08@rosewoodblues.com> From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: Looperlative availability (was Re: what kind of gear...) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:07:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.surgecenter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rosewoodblues.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:08:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-719094322 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed great to hear! thanks steve! ken; On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > Ken wrote: > >>can you even pick this thing up in the US yet? I would like to > know more about it but the site is limited.... > > Hi Ken, > > yes, you can order them direct from Bob, or there's a shop in New > York that's taking orders too. The info is on the forum on the site > - if you read the orders and availability thread, you'll get the > latest news on orders and lead times. > > It's an incredible looper - I've been using mine since last > November, recorded my whole new album with it, and have used it a > lot for looping other people as well as me on duo gigs - it's > passed all the tests so far! :o) > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > --Apple-Mail-1-719094322 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 great to hear! thanks = steve!

ken;
On Jul = 15, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Steve Lawson wrote:

Ken = wrote:
>>can you even pick this thing up in the US yet? I = would like to know more about it but the site is = limited....

Hi = Ken,=A0

yes, = you can order them direct from Bob, or there's a shop in New York that's = taking orders too. The info is on the forum on the site - if you read = the orders and availability thread, you'll get the latest news on orders = and lead times.=A0

It's an incredible looper - = I've been using mine since last November, recorded my whole new album = with it, and have used it a lot for looping other people as well as me = on duo gigs - it's passed all the tests so far! :o)

cheers

http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson




= --Apple-Mail-1-719094322-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 14:08:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F65E3BF01; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-719153281 Message-Id: <4B2EF4E7-D695-4910-89D5-348F92189724@rosewoodblues.com> From: Ken Hawkins Subject: Re: OT selling a couple of echoplex' Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:08:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host3.surgecenter.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rosewoodblues.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:08:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-719153281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ok then someone make an offer..... ken; On Jul 15, 2006, at 3:09 AM, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > not for $1400 > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > 8439 Lee Blvd > Leawood, KS 66206 > (913) 660-6918 > > > On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Ken Hawkins wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> at it again. before These go to ebay i thought I would see if >> anyone wants them here. I have a couple (stereo) of gibson >> echoplex's with one foot controller. >> >> http://web.mac.com/rosewoodblues/iWeb/Site/Rack%20system.html >> >> I will have to open a box to see if I have another foot >> controller. If anyone wants them I will let em go for 1400.00 for >> the pair with the controller. I am changing my gear again and >> trying some other looping alternatives.... >> >> please someone give these a good home as they have been babied >> here and work flawlessly! >> >> sorry if someone thinks this is spam. I am looking to set up >> similar to Fripp's current soundscaping rig. awesome stuff! >> >> cheers, >> ken; >> > --Apple-Mail-2-719153281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 ok then someone make an = offer.....

ken;
On Jul = 15, 2006, at 3:09 AM, Adrian Bartholomew wrote:

not for = $1400
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
8439 Lee Blvd
Leawood, KS = 66206
(913) 660-6918

 =

On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Ken Hawkins = wrote:

Hi all,

at it = again. before These go to ebay i thought I would see if anyone wants = them here. I have a couple (stereo) of gibson echoplex's with one foot = controller.


I will = have to open a box to see if I have another foot controller. If anyone = wants them I will let em go for 1400.00 for the pair with the = controller. I am changing my gear again and trying some other looping = alternatives....

please someone give these a good home as they have = been babied here and work flawlessly!

sorry if = someone thinks this is spam. I am looking to set up similar to Fripp's = current soundscaping rig. awesome stuff!

ken;

=


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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 17:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B913BEEC; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Se2dxHnJWrnQ8o00mwtWgjfKt6YD1KK5N+tKJHVWMlyFtqK6GX6ry83GXoXOXPiccvddzkfj2lwM0fQorg0/zC1wJAYjmEwacpaRReA6HSGYCnlR9boyDfDnj9DYPxVPQxwL/6r6D2Xj4qcD7LL4PCBTyUrC9fDzefW+fLt+baE= ; Message-ID: <20060715172507.63941.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060715033041.87812.qmail@web55510.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker Flys look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend on a new guitar.... It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around for some new sound or cool way of controlling it. Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace it. Same with my Steinberger Q Bass. --- Monica wrote: > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars! > http://www.basslab.de > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass! > ~Tim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Monica > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM > Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... > > > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or > even most - or even any - > of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing > from the mainstream > guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to > be a big breakthrough. > Fingers crossed... > Monica > > daniel stevenson wrote: > I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog > at > a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out > Monica. > to the future, > scary visionary > > --- Monica wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! > > Mail Beta. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new > Yahoo! Mail Beta. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 18:29:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57D883BEF7; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KuFddv4d0bQyzx36F21PUowAe0Kc/kQZsPTvf8h1Fwl9Lj60WcPfJr6k5TajhsGtHEdGVcH/i4wNNbpdgGMp/fcPjK2NxMAUUsyYO/VErUghbk+Z5eroQumn4fC6NgrsVF8bJEyYEAMkZTDRG1VSK9J8TAn1BR8e7ymBnwYj6DY= ; Message-ID: <20060715182923.86977.qmail@web55512.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060715172507.63941.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2121302597-1152988163=:86647" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:29:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-2121302597-1152988163=:86647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes definitely high end - but that's because of the complex technologies involved and the fact that BassLab is still a small company who entirely hand builds with no automation. However...if current talks going on with a major music tech co. lead to collaboration, there will be a special automation plant built to mass produce them - this requires a special mold-making process as they are made of synthetic chemical composites and not wood - because wood by comparison has such irregular organic densities which lead to areas of tone deadening and distortion. The synthetics can be precisely mixed for perfect acoustics and even tone engineering based on ratios of materials used. Much more sophisticated process. And with the synthetics the instrument bodies are inflexible to climate changes and in fact never have to be set up! And being hollow they are lightweight - about 7-9 lbs. each - so much less back strain in prolonged stage or studio use. The effort right now is to get the new tech to the mass market and so if the facility is built the price will become much more accessible - probably about $2000 for the popular line. Then the usual pro elite line and its usual higher end because it will remain custom orders with special mods and entirely handcrafted. Monica mark sottilaro wrote: Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker Flys look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend on a new guitar.... It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around for some new sound or cool way of controlling it. Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace it. Same with my Steinberger Q Bass. --- Monica wrote: > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars! > http://www.basslab.de > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass! > ~Tim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Monica > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM > Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... > > > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or > even most - or even any - > of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing > from the mainstream > guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to > be a big breakthrough. > Fingers crossed... > Monica > > daniel stevenson wrote: > I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog > at > a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out > Monica. > to the future, > scary visionary > > --- Monica wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! > > Mail Beta. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new > Yahoo! Mail Beta. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-2121302597-1152988163=:86647 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Yes definitely high end - but that's because of the complex technologies involved
    and the fact that BassLab is still a small company who entirely hand builds
    with no automation. However...if current talks going on with a major music tech co.
    lead to collaboration, there will be a special automation plant built to mass produce
    them - this requires a special mold-making process as they are made of synthetic
    chemical composites and not wood - because wood by comparison has such
    irregular organic densities which lead to areas of tone deadening and distortion.
    The synthetics can be precisely mixed for perfect acoustics and even tone
    engineering based on ratios of materials used. Much more sophisticated process.
    And with the synthetics the instrument bodies are inflexible to climate changes
    and in fact never have to be set up! And being hollow they are lightweight - about
    7-9 lbs. each - so much less back strain in prolonged stage or studio use.
    The effort right now is to get the new tech to the mass market and so if the
    facility is built the price will become much more accessible - probably about $2000
    for the popular line. Then the usual pro elite line and its usual higher end because
    it will remain custom orders with special mods and entirely handcrafted.
     
    Monica


    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker Flys
    look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend on
    a new guitar....

    It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around
    for some new sound or cool way of controlling it.
    Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I
    rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace it.
    Same with my Steinberger Q Bass.

    --- Monica wrote:

    > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars!
    > http://www.basslab.de
    >
    > Timothy Mungenast wrote:
    > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass!
    > ~Tim
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Monica
    > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    > Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM
    > Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab...
    >
    >
    > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or
    > even most - or even any -
    > of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing
    > from the mainstream
    > guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to
    > be a big breakthrough.
    > Fingers crossed...
    > Monica
    >
    > daniel stevenson wrote:
    > I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog
    > at
    > a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out
    > Monica.
    > to the future,
    > scary visionary
    >
    > --- Monica wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ---------------------------------
    > > Do you Yahoo!?
    > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo!
    > > Mail Beta.
    >
    >
    > __________________________________________________
    > Do You Yahoo!?
    > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
    > protection around
    > http://mail.yahoo.com
    >
    >
    >
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    >
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    Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-2121302597-1152988163=:86647-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 15 18:32:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6D53BF01; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ru8rS+fgyfm2KkglON0Xd6jFcXo1FX71pUVpsmgVgPM7VamTl4YOzgmaQrI/16NvmQpPsYCXtvLo/byYVS13Wl2/nVXVV2hUMde0/KxGrcaF5riqoWmYTWvBT9J4HGJqGqUqMw+YsjgpjIiDGRGBMyx9oeQsCo/IkgwL8F360qk= ; Message-ID: <20060715183204.46069.qmail@web55506.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: BassLab/Steinberger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060715172507.63941.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1044261289-1152988324=:39627" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5_28cD.A.7PC.lSTuEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:32:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1044261289-1152988324=:39627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Also - funny you mention Steinberger. BassLab also builds some parts and pre-amps for Ned Steinberger Designs. Steinberger was Heiko's biggest influence in building. mark sottilaro wrote: Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker Flys look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend on a new guitar.... It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around for some new sound or cool way of controlling it. Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace it. Same with my Steinberger Q Bass. --- Monica wrote: > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars! > http://www.basslab.de > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass! > ~Tim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Monica > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM > Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... > > > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or > even most - or even any - > of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing > from the mainstream > guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to > be a big breakthrough. > Fingers crossed... > Monica > > daniel stevenson wrote: > I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog > at > a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out > Monica. > to the future, > scary visionary > > --- Monica wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! > > Mail Beta. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new > Yahoo! Mail Beta. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1044261289-1152988324=:39627 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Also - funny you mention Steinberger. BassLab also builds some parts and
    pre-amps for Ned Steinberger Designs. Steinberger was Heiko's biggest influence
    in building.

    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker Flys
    look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend on
    a new guitar....

    It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around
    for some new sound or cool way of controlling it.
    Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I
    rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace it.
    Same with my Steinberger Q Bass.

    --- Monica wrote:

    > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars!
    > http://www.basslab.de
    >
    > Timothy Mungenast wrote:
    > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass!
    > ~Tim
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    > ----- Original Message -----
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    > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or
    > even most - or even any -
    > of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing
    > from the mainstream
    > guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to
    > be a big breakthrough.
    > Fingers crossed...
    > Monica
    >
    > daniel stevenson wrote:
    > I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog
    > at
    > a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out
    > Monica.
    > to the future,
    > scary visionary
    >
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 16 06:15:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B90673BEF9; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hdXx8+BumWI4CmMqp0ejnjadLtVCoC+tRUqZxXeIEP6wki6ibuEuBLhJ++PM9H8Z6NmuNdr7esmcXwRkyjbC68EGTvzvC5XagiHzrDtp28ZRC+emAMWBQBFdW17nFwrRKdQQZoXOUkIUOqIby1y/z0XduIx+tBOskxiwK2WyoCc= ; Message-ID: <20060716061553.85668.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44B81957.6070700@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, I need some tips from those of you using lots of pedal effects in optimizing a guitar signal,there is a significant volume difference between using my efxs and pluging directly into my 50w tube amp. Here is my pedal board signal: 1.sweet sound Mojo Vibe 2.Line6 roto machine 3.boss pn2 vibrato 4.Ibanez ts9 5.boss octave 6.boss dl3 7.nobels preamp booster 8.Line6 DL4 9.bossn N2 noise supressor all of the effects except for the DL4 are 9V and are conected to the Boss N2 noise supressors send and return power supply(which is fed by a Ibanez 9V 200ma AC adaptor)and then goes out directly to my amp.The line 6 has its separate 12v AC adaptor. Any tips or links on how to are highly appreciated! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 16 06:27:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5E4B3BEF9; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060716061553.85668.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716061553.85668.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50198AF4-5C69-42D1-972A-5D97867DE17F@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:23:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:27:24 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 16, 2006, at 1:15 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > I need some tips from those of you using lots of pedal > effects in optimizing a guitar signal,there is a > significant volume difference between using my efxs > and pluging directly into my 50w tube amp. > Here is my pedal board signal: > 1.sweet sound Mojo Vibe > 2.Line6 roto machine > 3.boss pn2 vibrato > 4.Ibanez ts9 > 5.boss octave > 6.boss dl3 > 7.nobels preamp booster > 8.Line6 DL4 > 9.bossn N2 noise supressor Are all of these pedals connected together in series? If so, there is some *serious* tone suckage going on. Most of them probably are not true bypass either, although I believe the Sweet Sound Mojo vibe is. You need a looper--a different kind of looper than is usually discussed here. You need something that can insert/remove smaller loops of effects, so that your signal isn't continually degraded as it moves further and further through the fx chain. I forget who makes them, but one guy's in particular is always being discussed on The Gear Page. You may try searching "looper" there (www.thegearpage.net) Or check out a Switchblade (www.soundsculpture.com), if you've got the bucks. You could rack those pedals and put each one in a Switchblade "loop". You can then route your signal any way you want from simple to complex, series or parallel. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 16 08:22:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90A13BEF9; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FD/gtIK+yAS4geYT/SFoCCDvEDcorZvhHKUr2irlL7yvmlr8fBQMtq1LIliDDgAfL9Qa3waNpsl1v13M75Pg6A5/xf1QMdQMTuvPj66x8fuhy5dr4m8wrzvivyp5n2L6cSuXIstfp+K94lFB9WnAnJF0dMvK72ANNojBCF50U2E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060716061553.85668.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060716061553.85668.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2067EB1F-966C-4695-868A-CBEFE3CC23D2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:22:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:22:47 +0000 (UTC) On 16 jul 2006, at 08.15, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Any tips or links on how to are highly appreciated! > Luis This gentleman is known as the Grand Old Man of custom pedal board design. The trick is to put stomp boxes in parallel instead of daisy chaining them. http://www.petecornish.co.uk/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 16 21:30:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377553BEE1; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kpdOOWjbVnCqXoxFe71IrmNIY2mdsIj1Etxj87QV5R3cBzDl3SFyx4mk46viCMOh; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <15763007.1153085425593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: what this? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4808d05e5c04306a3fd3c3c7e201eceecb540b0f8a6f3b58b0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:30:26 +0000 (UTC) http://www.gearwire.com/boss-rc2.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 02:18:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02A03BEE7; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033c01c6a947$45ff01b0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <15763007.1153085425593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: what this? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:18:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Looks like it will be out in November and run for about $180. It looks temping for a basic street gig looper. I could take it and my Roland Microcube and play just about anywhere. I am curious how the pedal works, however. I am guessing that the first press starts Record and the second press Stops Record and starts Overdubing, or just Stop Record, and a third press starts Overdub...after that point each additional press would turn overdub on and off. I would prefer this latter approach. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: what this? > http://www.gearwire.com/boss-rc2.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 03:55:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 459933BEE2; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.379017 secs) Message-ID: <3261.65.95.230.34.1153108559.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <15763007.1153085425593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlin k.net> References: <15763007.1153085425593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: what this? From: scott@dreamstate.to To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:55:57 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.gearwire.com/boss-rc2.html > Looks great for slipping into a guitar bag. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 04:29:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06E9E3BEF6; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Th+21junK1VPjXdudtNfAfEVJQU5Q6M2qQC+nVKwoNRN7Au0Y1GRY4pOBaj/BdRpLC9E03TITYBjMgg90gRdxeJnsx4xDHeeQlsvQo7L3hal3AQnDbjy7EQyuIZ/jUbQt8rCnuLBIfn37Vwj9i6LEL0MgzYWrYv53j/7RTp+ZAk= ; Message-ID: <20060717042923.88977.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: what this? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <033c01c6a947$45ff01b0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9fUvgD.A.bRG.lIxuEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:29:26 +0000 (UTC) yup the buskers ultra delux wet dream...i like my micro cube.how do you like yours? future, dSv --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Looks like it will be out in November and run for > about $180. It looks > temping for a basic street gig looper. I could take > it and my Roland > Microcube and play just about anywhere. I am curious > how the pedal works, > however. I am guessing that the first press starts > Record and the second > press Stops Record and starts Overdubing, or just > Stop Record, and a third > press starts Overdub...after that point each > additional press would turn > overdub on and off. I would prefer this latter > approach. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:30 PM > Subject: what this? > > > > http://www.gearwire.com/boss-rc2.html > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 04:42:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14EBB3BEFF; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037301c6a95b$59dc3680$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060717042923.88977.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: what this? (Roland Cube Series) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:42:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:42:09 +0000 (UTC) I haven't played live w/ the micro yet, but I messed around with it the other day in my studio...not bad for a little tike. It craps out a bit if you pump too much bass through it, which I tend to do when I play with a big beefy jazz tone with my neck pickup. I have the Cube 30 too. What I REALLY don't like about these cube series amps, and I think Roland should be drawn and quartered for this blatant and asinine lack of understanding of their target market, is that they didn't include an effects level. What the hell were they thinking? The delay is almost unusable for me because it is too wet. I don't have a single popular CD with a guitar playing with that much delay level...it's always much more moderate and tasty. You are basically stuck with the same blasted effects level for everything. If they could have just added another knob or made a ring knob on each effect knob to control the level, these amps would be the bomb. Too bad they f*cked this one up. :( I'd like to write them and ask who was smoking crack on their design team when they decided not to include effects level. I have the same complaint about most effect unit factory settings...unbelievable. (I need to get a job for one of these companies and see if I can shake things up a bit.) Oh well, the amp sounds fine though with the reverb. I wonder if there is a way to do a mod on the amps to create an effects level. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: what this? > yup the buskers ultra delux wet dream...i like my > micro cube.how do you like yours? > future, > dSv > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Looks like it will be out in November and run for >> about $180. It looks >> temping for a basic street gig looper. I could take >> it and my Roland >> Microcube and play just about anywhere. I am curious >> how the pedal works, >> however. I am guessing that the first press starts >> Record and the second >> press Stops Record and starts Overdubing, or just >> Stop Record, and a third >> press starts Overdub...after that point each >> additional press would turn >> overdub on and off. I would prefer this latter >> approach. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:30 PM >> Subject: what this? >> >> >> > http://www.gearwire.com/boss-rc2.html >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 05:15:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F67B3BEFC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=neC4OnB4uycGzF00Z5yR4jkoZo60sqOgFEU/fGqd9Yd2DsWB2tHR0GDT1Re19bcrSUpg7mJ2Jq7bg6+sdDDW8+sMcZKAKgtUrY8xWmrfyVzpsWfN6KKq1yvaYnn9r0yiccoGTokzBgzdwec35DG73IUVlaX7EzCPGHezutIekR4= ; Message-ID: <20060717051525.13683.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: what this? (Roland Cube Series) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <037301c6a95b$59dc3680$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:15:27 +0000 (UTC) true dat! i need a rechargeble sub to acompany the lil cubert...i totally agree with you about the way they set it up...i dont use the effects(novelty effects)and i would like a line out where the speaker could stay engaged for daisy chaining them... take it to the park,:-> dSv p.s it seems to hold a charge better if its not sitting directly on concrete(this could be my imagination) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I haven't played live w/ the micro yet, but I messed > around with it the > other day in my studio...not bad for a little tike. > It craps out a bit if > you pump too much bass through it, which I tend to > do when I play with a big > beefy jazz tone with my neck pickup. I have the > Cube 30 too. > > What I REALLY don't like about these cube series > amps, and I think Roland > should be drawn and quartered for this blatant and > asinine lack of > understanding of their target market, is that they > didn't include an effects > level. What the hell were they thinking? The delay > is almost unusable for me > because it is too wet. I don't have a single > popular CD with a guitar > playing with that much delay level...it's always > much more moderate and > tasty. You are basically stuck with the same blasted > effects level for > everything. If they could have just added another > knob or made a ring knob > on each effect knob to control the level, these amps > would be the bomb. Too > bad they f*cked this one up. :( I'd like to write > them and ask who was > smoking crack on their design team when they decided > not to include effects > level. I have the same complaint about most effect > unit factory > settings...unbelievable. (I need to get a job for > one of these companies > and see if I can shake things up a bit.) Oh well, > the amp sounds fine though > with the reverb. > > I wonder if there is a way to do a mod on the amps > to create an effects > level. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "daniel stevenson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: what this? > > > > yup the buskers ultra delux wet dream...i like my > > micro cube.how do you like yours? > > future, > > dSv > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Looks like it will be out in November and run for > >> about $180. It looks > >> temping for a basic street gig looper. I could > take > >> it and my Roland > >> Microcube and play just about anywhere. I am > curious > >> how the pedal works, > >> however. I am guessing that the first press > starts > >> Record and the second > >> press Stops Record and starts Overdubing, or just > >> Stop Record, and a third > >> press starts Overdub...after that point each > >> additional press would turn > >> overdub on and off. I would prefer this latter > >> approach. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:30 PM > >> Subject: what this? > >> > >> > >> > http://www.gearwire.com/boss-rc2.html > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 06:22:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 843B83BF02; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.50.7] Message-ID: <44BB2C92.5070700@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:22:10 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DJRND2, KAOSS Pads, Ensoniq DP/4, ETC. For Sale References: <44B7EA47.4090902@infin8ty.com> In-Reply-To: <44B7EA47.4090902@infin8ty.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0628-5, 07/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <2ASwi.A.fIB.VyyuEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Congrats! My wife and I just had our first baby on the 13th! It's amazing. --Josh phalen180 wrote: > Dear Fellow Loopers, > > I've recently found out that my wife and I are expecting our first > child. A very exciting time for us! Unfortunately, to make room and in > anticipation of future expenses and tighter schedules, I'll be selling > some of my music equipment. > > I have the following items for sale: > > DJRND2 custom looper made by Emmanuel Perille $500 > KAOSS PAD KP-1 (x2) $125 each > ENSONIQ DP/4 effects processor $200 > - one input gain knob is broken off > doesn't affect usability much at all > KORG MS2000 analog modeling synth $500 > > I also have a couple of rack units that I could only sell locally given > their weight. > > The first is made of wood covered with black carpet with side handles, > removable front, back and top panels, 6 rack spaces, a sliding shelf and > space for power adapters underneath the rack spots. $50 > > The second is a metal slanted studio rack about 2 feet high and 2 feet > deep, I think it's 6 or 8 rack spaces, but I don't know for sure. $25 > > I live in Orange, CA and work in Glendora, CA. Local pickup preferred > but will ship anywhere in the world. > > Hope I can help someone out with this gear and pass along the joy to > fellow loopers. > > Best, > Jonathan > (aka phalen180 / hilflos kind) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 06:23:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C9EB3BEF9; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: what this? (Roland Cube Series) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: <007c01c6a969$8d6207b0$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcapYARBb/lXG53EQf2tPslXO0lwGQACWEwg In-Reply-To: <20060717051525.13683.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:23:50 +0000 (UTC) FWIW, I own a Crate Limo that has an FX level...that and a DL4, and I am in battery heaven. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > true dat! > > i need a rechargeble sub to acompany the lil cubert...i > totally agree with you about the way they set it up...i dont > use the effects(novelty effects)and i would like a line out > where the speaker could stay engaged for daisy chaining them... > take it to the park,:-> > dSv > > p.s it seems to hold a charge better if its not > sitting directly on concrete(this could be my > imagination) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 06:29:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 008273BF0C; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=plruSBwOze2rfo7ujv8A/1U6yHe090O5UGFD2OCJksB+zgWye2mBb2YAt+nOYcQt2wOJbcKPK4lYIRVjkYoUqP+XgY/yM+uA5ZpKF0WXZoovCYnCD8pYRq6nLBgDsPFlh1P1K+a0XEed38jVVqssbPByoOWv6bxKKlWpem88+ng= ; Message-ID: <20060717062956.40268.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: DJRND2, KAOSS Pads, Ensoniq DP/4, ETC. For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44BB2C92.5070700@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:29:57 +0000 (UTC) yes congrats to all... do you know what the best thing about kids is? creating them... dSv --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > Congrats! My wife and I just had our first baby on > the 13th! It's amazing. > > --Josh > > > > phalen180 wrote: > > Dear Fellow Loopers, > > > > I've recently found out that my wife and I are > expecting our first > > child. A very exciting time for us! > Unfortunately, to make room and in > > anticipation of future expenses and tighter > schedules, I'll be selling > > some of my music equipment. > > > > I have the following items for sale: > > > > DJRND2 custom looper made by Emmanuel Perille > $500 > > KAOSS PAD KP-1 (x2) $125 each > > ENSONIQ DP/4 effects processor $200 > > - one input gain knob is broken off > > doesn't affect usability much at all > > KORG MS2000 analog modeling synth $500 > > > > I also have a couple of rack units that I could > only sell locally given > > their weight. > > > > The first is made of wood covered with black > carpet with side handles, > > removable front, back and top panels, 6 rack > spaces, a sliding shelf and > > space for power adapters underneath the rack > spots. $50 > > > > The second is a metal slanted studio rack about 2 > feet high and 2 feet > > deep, I think it's 6 or 8 rack spaces, but I don't > know for sure. $25 > > > > I live in Orange, CA and work in Glendora, CA. > Local pickup preferred > > but will ship anywhere in the world. > > > > Hope I can help someone out with this gear and > pass along the joy to > > fellow loopers. > > > > Best, > > Jonathan > > (aka phalen180 / hilflos kind) > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 07:36:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E8DE3BF08; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:36:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:36:48 +0000 (UTC) A few days ago, I was getting ready to head out of town for the 2006 Midwest Stick Seminar in Ann Arbor, MI ( http://www.stickfest.org ). Since I knew there would inevitably be some looping talk (and since I enjoy endorsing vendors who've been active on this list), I contacted Mike Nelson at Boomerang Music to see if I could find out any information on the status of the upcoming Rang(TM) III. Most of their reply dovetails the specs Kelly Coyle was kind enough to post here a couple months back. I just got home from Ann Arbor this evening. So, straight from the source, here's what I got back from Mike & Lynne (shared with their kind permission, of course): >We love to hear from addicted Loopers!.. and very much appreciate >your support for the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler. We will be >releasing an effects pedal at the summer NAMM show and following >that with a new looper around Dec 06. The looper will have true >stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 >loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or >unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as an octave down >effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, metronome, etc. It >will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We don't have a >price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high standard >of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. And, after another exchange or two, this: > We're burning the candle at both ends right now. The new Rang(TM) >III will be in the $399 to $499 range I think. > We do have more Blooperangs available, so feel free to let others >know about them. We have some pro players that keep a backup >Rang(TM) like they do an extra guitar...just in case. So, it looks like the new 'Rang will be pretty darn cool, with lots of high-end features (perhaps even a few more surprises too; part of one of the messages seemed to imply there were still more goodies about which they couldn't yet say anything). I'm sure Lynne & Mike will do their best to maintain its dead simple user interface too. And all for an extremely reasonable cost, IMNSHO. As well, there do seem to be more Blooperangs in stock, if anybody wants a great deal on existing product (I seem to recall somebody was curious about that a little while back). --m. -- _______ "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 07:43:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F1083BF0F; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:43:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Stereo recording....will that include stereo input/output too? That would be cool. That will make only two that can do this, right? I thought the RC50 was stereo i/o as well. It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is building now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... >A few days ago, I was getting ready to head out of town for the 2006 >Midwest Stick Seminar in Ann Arbor, MI ( http://www.stickfest.org ). Since >I knew there would inevitably be some looping talk (and since I enjoy >endorsing vendors who've been active on this list), I contacted Mike Nelson >at Boomerang Music to see if I could find out any information on the status >of the upcoming Rang(TM) III. > > Most of their reply dovetails the specs Kelly Coyle was kind enough to > post here a couple months back. I just got home from Ann Arbor this > evening. So, straight from the source, here's what I got back from Mike & > Lynne (shared with their kind permission, of course): > >>We love to hear from addicted Loopers!.. and very much appreciate your >>support for the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler. We will be releasing an >>effects pedal at the summer NAMM show and following that with a new looper >>around Dec 06. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved >>audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple >>loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such >>as an octave down effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, >>metronome, etc. It will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We >>don't have a price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high >>standard of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. > > And, after another exchange or two, this: > >> We're burning the candle at both ends right now. The new Rang(TM) III >> will be in the $399 to $499 range I think. >> We do have more Blooperangs available, so feel free to let others know >> about them. We have some pro players that keep a backup Rang(TM) like >> they do an extra guitar...just in case. > > So, it looks like the new 'Rang will be pretty darn cool, with lots of > high-end features (perhaps even a few more surprises too; part of one of > the messages seemed to imply there were still more goodies about which > they couldn't yet say anything). I'm sure Lynne & Mike will do their best > to maintain its dead simple user interface too. And all for an extremely > reasonable cost, IMNSHO. > > As well, there do seem to be more Blooperangs in stock, if anybody wants a > great deal on existing product (I seem to recall somebody was curious > about that a little while back). > > --m. > -- > _______ > "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 08:01:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0729D3BF05; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03f401c6a977$252b12a0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060703144218.DWVV8537.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002><1d5a01c69eb2$579d1f00$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060703171802.drx2ck178gk0cc0c@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Tech 21 MIDI Mouse Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:01:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Here's my report on this unit. I received it last week and had a chance to experiment with it. I will work for my basic street looping MIDI control needs. Essentially, it has three buttons. It has UP and DOWN buttons to scroll through you MIDI program change numbers. If you are on program change 1, and you hit the UP button, it will immediately send program change 2, and visa versa. Then it has a single button that serves two functions, SEARCH and ACTIVATE. On the first press, it goes into search mode, where you can use the UP and DOWN buttons to find the MIDI program change number you want to send. Once you find your number, you hit the button again and it sends that change. If you send a program change and don't touch the unit for 10 seconds, it will go into sleep mode. When you press the SEARCH/ACTIVATE button key, it will not go into search mode, but directly send the program change. Hence, in practical terms, while using Mobius on the street, I hit the SEARCH/ACTIVATE button and then ensure that the display shows 1 (which I have mapped to Record on Mobius), then I hit SEARCH/ACTIVATE again to Record. When I want to stop recording, I hit the button once to cue up sending program change 1 again (or I can just do this shortly after I start recording so I don't have to think about it again), and then I hit it again to stop recording. I have Overdub mapped to program change 2, so I can just hit the UP button to start Overdubbing, and hit hit the SEARCH/ACTIVATE button twice to stop overdubbing. I just have to get used to hitting the activate button once before I actually want to send the program change. I wouldn't recommend using the MIDI Mouse for really complicated looping where you are multiplying, using next loop, and other functions. You could do it, I suppose, but it will require some fast multitasking while you are playing to cue up your program change numbers to send with the one button press. But for basic looping and being able to MIDI control with something the size of a stomp box, I thought it was worth the money. I don't plan to play on the street much, and who knows I may end up buying that new Boss RC2. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Tech 21 MIDI Mouse > Hey Kris, > > I'll be real interested in your thoughts on the midi mouse once you get it > and > work with it a bit. I have a few gigs later in the summer where I need to > run > things off battery packs and something like that might be just the thing. > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > >> Yup. I have both my Looperlative and Mobius accepting program changes >> now, and I do this on only one channel. Basically, all I need to do is >> send 10-12 program changes via MIDI channel 1, just to trigger basic >> functions like Record, Overdub, Multiply, Next, etc. I've never been >> much of MIDI wiz...I don't do all that fancy stuff with syncing, using >> multiple MIDI channels to send different types data ,etc....I just use >> the basic functions of mu looping software to the n'th degree. :) >> >> Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 08:03:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9C633BF0E; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l2Drg7034g8AfCfkp/IHNLDvTtXk0BwFLu2h1q1B5O8eten3Us0juKjo/lNpphTT4Jat1hoCXZyN6oQNwuTdxjNZGL7+q5fBqtEWyPAiuNXGyWdXmIfs3p25Kzdu6TGffyPLAXW89r5FbJp6ikKDPUgYBUVyNQ0XFcRHwNyHY78= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:03:43 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... In-Reply-To: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:03:45 +0000 (UTC) The looper will have true >stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 >loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or >unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as an octave down >effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, metronome, etc. It >will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We don't have a >price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high standard >of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. Wow! Thats impressive, mutilple loops! Wow! On 7/17/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Stereo recording....will that include stereo input/output too? That would be > cool. That will make only two that can do this, right? I thought the RC50 > was stereo i/o as well. > > It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is building > now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mech" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:36 AM > Subject: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... > > > >A few days ago, I was getting ready to head out of town for the 2006 > >Midwest Stick Seminar in Ann Arbor, MI ( http://www.stickfest.org ). Since > >I knew there would inevitably be some looping talk (and since I enjoy > >endorsing vendors who've been active on this list), I contacted Mike Nelson > >at Boomerang Music to see if I could find out any information on the status > >of the upcoming Rang(TM) III. > > > > Most of their reply dovetails the specs Kelly Coyle was kind enough to > > post here a couple months back. I just got home from Ann Arbor this > > evening. So, straight from the source, here's what I got back from Mike & > > Lynne (shared with their kind permission, of course): > > > >>We love to hear from addicted Loopers!.. and very much appreciate your > >>support for the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler. We will be releasing an > >>effects pedal at the summer NAMM show and following that with a new looper > >>around Dec 06. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved > >>audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple > >>loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such > >>as an octave down effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, > >>metronome, etc. It will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We > >>don't have a price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high > >>standard of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. > > > > And, after another exchange or two, this: > > > >> We're burning the candle at both ends right now. The new Rang(TM) III > >> will be in the $399 to $499 range I think. > >> We do have more Blooperangs available, so feel free to let others know > >> about them. We have some pro players that keep a backup Rang(TM) like > >> they do an extra guitar...just in case. > > > > So, it looks like the new 'Rang will be pretty darn cool, with lots of > > high-end features (perhaps even a few more surprises too; part of one of > > the messages seemed to imply there were still more goodies about which > > they couldn't yet say anything). I'm sure Lynne & Mike will do their best > > to maintain its dead simple user interface too. And all for an extremely > > reasonable cost, IMNSHO. > > > > As well, there do seem to be more Blooperangs in stock, if anybody wants a > > great deal on existing product (I seem to recall somebody was curious > > about that a little while back). > > > > --m. > > -- > > _______ > > "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 08:03:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 464213BF10; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CCrMluSB/uXuwb+rFOvyoUlspbkg6Ogz529EQpPVPt/4fh2L2JAdsAitTJdOKhc/YK3sY/BQZRgVQ4haIHwjcuF3xAjfhT+kDUio60Q990HvIo2etgSpBEPMNaafc9XA1N+PU2TdlY7PCxuqJ8+qpzp/vdPvCQyT6Y80R4cEenA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:03:56 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:03:58 +0000 (UTC) what is a blooperrang? On 7/17/06, mark t wrote: > The looper will have true > >stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 > >loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or > >unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as an octave down > >effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, metronome, etc. It > >will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We don't have a > >price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high standard > >of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. > > > Wow! Thats impressive, mutilple loops! Wow! > > On 7/17/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Stereo recording....will that include stereo input/output too? That would be > > cool. That will make only two that can do this, right? I thought the RC50 > > was stereo i/o as well. > > > > It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is building > > now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mech" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:36 AM > > Subject: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... > > > > > > >A few days ago, I was getting ready to head out of town for the 2006 > > >Midwest Stick Seminar in Ann Arbor, MI ( http://www.stickfest.org ). Since > > >I knew there would inevitably be some looping talk (and since I enjoy > > >endorsing vendors who've been active on this list), I contacted Mike Nelson > > >at Boomerang Music to see if I could find out any information on the status > > >of the upcoming Rang(TM) III. > > > > > > Most of their reply dovetails the specs Kelly Coyle was kind enough to > > > post here a couple months back. I just got home from Ann Arbor this > > > evening. So, straight from the source, here's what I got back from Mike & > > > Lynne (shared with their kind permission, of course): > > > > > >>We love to hear from addicted Loopers!.. and very much appreciate your > > >>support for the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler. We will be releasing an > > >>effects pedal at the summer NAMM show and following that with a new looper > > >>around Dec 06. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved > > >>audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple > > >>loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such > > >>as an octave down effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, > > >>metronome, etc. It will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We > > >>don't have a price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high > > >>standard of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. > > > > > > And, after another exchange or two, this: > > > > > >> We're burning the candle at both ends right now. The new Rang(TM) III > > >> will be in the $399 to $499 range I think. > > >> We do have more Blooperangs available, so feel free to let others know > > >> about them. We have some pro players that keep a backup Rang(TM) like > > >> they do an extra guitar...just in case. > > > > > > So, it looks like the new 'Rang will be pretty darn cool, with lots of > > > high-end features (perhaps even a few more surprises too; part of one of > > > the messages seemed to imply there were still more goodies about which > > > they couldn't yet say anything). I'm sure Lynne & Mike will do their best > > > to maintain its dead simple user interface too. And all for an extremely > > > reasonable cost, IMNSHO. > > > > > > As well, there do seem to be more Blooperangs in stock, if anybody wants a > > > great deal on existing product (I seem to recall somebody was curious > > > about that a little while back). > > > > > > --m. > > > -- > > > _______ > > > "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 09:11:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEDA33BF15; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=UmP//rjKpkpMvHYapJInk+eirtIeXQke6VV89mnZrV28XIEBps7ANrUeDC5IErBKMG3aD44BIJRZQbFrP6IfXvRvENqNtO5BYpi89nqHc9Hm/HV0z6FShgzxuoRZK4HCZjiGmhsw3SFGnMGVqZhjWcxZI90vgU9TxYm0RKIY/Ao= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:11:40 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Would this work for Mobuis? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:11:42 +0000 (UTC) https://www.eritech.com/detail.php?item=2373-75U From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 09:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9A183BF0D; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HLzBI9pz0TB1Sx+iF96bl93AWonaPmzIWGvNRFnqtwSDTbYCrTdLd4tCKLUn0XuMzQF4zHJiJWytnUUsbtmkLmYgbSdE1dLNBPz7H5XxyiPQjK7zIKLnDBNbiM9Dru44rk2SsIQnvl5zDEzh7kjtDY0orTQq4sv4c1hRvc7F9Wo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:37:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:37:07 +0000 (UTC) On 17 jul 2006, at 11.11, mark t wrote: > https://www.eritech.com/detail.php?item=2373-75U Yes, I would guess so. But I would consider buying more RAM, at least 1 GB, eventually 2. That is, if that machine will let you do that. My old ThinkPad (a 700 MHz P 3 I used for Ableton Live four three years ago) had only slots for 768 MB RAM. It was a great machine and payed its duties well until my son dropped a glass of milk into it. I wouldn't get a ThinkPad again though, because I hate that little stick you operate with a finger to navigate the mouse pointer. But that's just me; I prefer a track pad on a lappy. "IBM ThinkPad T40 Product Info: P M 1.5GHz, 512MB RAM, 30GB 5400rpm HDD, 14.1 XGA (1024x768) TFT LCD, 32MB ATI Radeon 7500," Good thing is that it has a separate video memory, shared memory for graphics can be problematic with audio software. How do you intend to get the analog sound out of that box? I can't see any spec's on an eventual PCMCIA, USB or FireWire to add a decent audio converter? But on the other hand, when I read up on my own old IBM lappy I cant find those spec's either on most internet sites and my machine had definitely both USB and a PCMCIA card slot. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 09:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E2483BF19; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wSIyF00JaNplKbBJ/Y31FVcmoTavkbLp4FVgA3BEOo9TDH2gWnd6mTr684q1VO6HcivrnEwXIbFa96IgZrh2MEZp7Y9gXdh7fJAZAcf8NpPnE7NsQq5rEkXbNEA97RlB4O2/mJL8hZRpfkq02jxq18CqcBeZelA/YiecKfWMITo= ; Message-ID: <20060717094413.89678.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <50198AF4-5C69-42D1-972A-5D97867DE17F@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6aPyOD.A.tYG.uv1uEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Jeff, yes they are all hooked up in series but i want to stay away from racks,this is a pedalboard ment for jams,blues bands etc. where i can set up really fast and uncomplicated access to main effects but where pure tone is required.You are right some of them certainly arent true bypass but i do see a lot of pros using the same of pedals and until now havent seen anybody using an additional signal looper with them... I am testing an amp soon which has parallel and series efxs loop sends and returns maybe i can come up with a better configuration, we´ll see... Luis --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2006, at 1:15 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > I need some tips from those of you using lots of > pedal > > effects in optimizing a guitar signal,there is a > > significant volume difference between using my > efxs > > and pluging directly into my 50w tube amp. > > Here is my pedal board signal: > > 1.sweet sound Mojo Vibe > > 2.Line6 roto machine > > 3.boss pn2 vibrato > > 4.Ibanez ts9 > > 5.boss octave > > 6.boss dl3 > > 7.nobels preamp booster > > 8.Line6 DL4 > > 9.bossn N2 noise supressor > > Are all of these pedals connected together in > series? If so, there is > some *serious* tone suckage going on. Most of them > probably are not > true bypass either, although I believe the Sweet > Sound Mojo vibe is. > > You need a looper--a different kind of looper than > is usually > discussed here. You need something that can > insert/remove smaller > loops of effects, so that your signal isn't > continually degraded as > it moves further and further through the fx chain. I > forget who makes > them, but one guy's in particular is always being > discussed on The > Gear Page. You may try searching "looper" there > (www.thegearpage.net) > Or check out a Switchblade (www.soundsculpture.com), > if you've got > the bucks. You could rack those pedals and put each > one in a > Switchblade "loop". You can then route your signal > any way you want > from simple to complex, series or parallel. > > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 09:50:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F4863BEE7; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TE2pHtHG6mgPgJpZoDTDvLt85Ros+q8zmSsWXtbEXkhkNLNV6ExwiybOlPaRHKD6crVKNzoNL1HGkXSdpkKWO7p2MaKoKh1EQJqmtfIF/v7XBLcTZk1hGwH4H1nvJfoar1aI85r+ACiSs0KUamby9PA2zvONpb2MPtLD8x7l4O4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:50:15 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? In-Reply-To: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:50:17 +0000 (UTC) What about a Dell D40? I found one with 1GB of RAM for $450. Excuse my ignorance I am a long term mac user but want to get a PC soley for Mobuis but do not want to spend alot. thanks. On 7/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 17 jul 2006, at 11.11, mark t wrote: > > > https://www.eritech.com/detail.php?item=2373-75U > > > Yes, I would guess so. But I would consider buying more RAM, at least > 1 GB, eventually 2. That is, if that machine will let you do that. My > old ThinkPad (a 700 MHz P 3 I used for Ableton Live four three years > ago) had only slots for 768 MB RAM. It was a great machine and payed > its duties well until my son dropped a glass of milk into it. I > wouldn't get a ThinkPad again though, because I hate that little > stick you operate with a finger to navigate the mouse pointer. But > that's just me; I prefer a track pad on a lappy. > > "IBM ThinkPad T40 > Product Info: P M 1.5GHz, 512MB RAM, 30GB 5400rpm HDD, 14.1 XGA > (1024x768) TFT LCD, 32MB ATI Radeon 7500," > > Good thing is that it has a separate video memory, shared memory for > graphics can be problematic with audio software. How do you intend to > get the analog sound out of that box? I can't see any spec's on an > eventual PCMCIA, USB or FireWire to add a decent audio converter? But > on the other hand, when I read up on my own old IBM lappy I cant find > those spec's either on most internet sites and my machine had > definitely both USB and a PCMCIA card slot. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 09:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B5AB3BECA; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GBMF/VXmfh4+3KQ/+h77pLcIFkkO5xZ9Xs3JDUYWl0YcS7NFgDX85L/5SXzbSlc7pSSG4io6tfoc6kerGQP1rujXg9hz9cRUq0JJFGqKzA1dB8prgEyrsLqYaVExbJI10FGdLlqFXjU4LAykb5vc1Rv420v/7r21Wk/4HjX9v9A= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:51:25 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:51:28 +0000 (UTC) I meant to say D400. On 7/17/06, mark t wrote: > What about a Dell D40? I found one with 1GB of RAM for $450. Excuse > my ignorance I am a long term mac user but want to get a PC soley for > Mobuis but do not want to spend alot. thanks. > > On 7/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 17 jul 2006, at 11.11, mark t wrote: > > > > > https://www.eritech.com/detail.php?item=2373-75U > > > > > > Yes, I would guess so. But I would consider buying more RAM, at least > > 1 GB, eventually 2. That is, if that machine will let you do that. My > > old ThinkPad (a 700 MHz P 3 I used for Ableton Live four three years > > ago) had only slots for 768 MB RAM. It was a great machine and payed > > its duties well until my son dropped a glass of milk into it. I > > wouldn't get a ThinkPad again though, because I hate that little > > stick you operate with a finger to navigate the mouse pointer. But > > that's just me; I prefer a track pad on a lappy. > > > > "IBM ThinkPad T40 > > Product Info: P M 1.5GHz, 512MB RAM, 30GB 5400rpm HDD, 14.1 XGA > > (1024x768) TFT LCD, 32MB ATI Radeon 7500," > > > > Good thing is that it has a separate video memory, shared memory for > > graphics can be problematic with audio software. How do you intend to > > get the analog sound out of that box? I can't see any spec's on an > > eventual PCMCIA, USB or FireWire to add a decent audio converter? But > > on the other hand, when I read up on my own old IBM lappy I cant find > > those spec's either on most internet sites and my machine had > > definitely both USB and a PCMCIA card slot. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 09:57:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 321F63BECA; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006001c6a987$5a011fa0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:57:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:57:10 +0000 (UTC) I dunno, the web site has such expired security certs that I hesitated at first - but a ThinkPad T40? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark t" To: Sent: Monday, 17 July, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Would this work for Mobuis? > https://www.eritech.com/detail.php?item=2373-75U > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 10:01:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0DE3BEFA; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Fabio Anile Podcast Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:01:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C6A998.BA370950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2006 10:01:28.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8AE4F10:01C6A987] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:01:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C6A998.BA370950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your report, Ted. I'm not expert with this, so I will try again and let you know when it works. Fabio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Fabio Anile Podcast Fabio, I tried the link and what I got was: = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D This page contains the following errors: error on line 7 at column 64: Opening and ending tag mismatch: channel = line 0 and title Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error. fabio anile - Podcast - Vitaminic = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The rest of the window was blank . . .=20 For what it's worth, I was really interested in hearing your music. = Let us know when your PodCast is up and running. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:25 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: Hi people, this is my first experience with podcast. and I'm not sure if it works. Can someone try it and report to me if it works ? Thanks fabio =20 http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/itunes.pcast ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C6A998.BA370950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    Fabio
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 = 4:44 PM
    Subject: Re: Fabio Anile = Podcast

    Fabio,

    I tried the link and what I got=20 = was:

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    On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:25 AM, Fabio Anile = wrote:

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    ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C6A998.BA370950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 10:08:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26BDE3BEF3; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=38fZIYs3HIjEf7HL66b5AZaLvaB/apU3/kwEGOMnRpI7vhTNKSPCCsGz6JT9NGJVcUoYZ4mF1YSSE4QsuCjeef65fAN43sTM6R6dJVqteHwUS1HgoLV0E7exPon4KLf+kJLQ1IyouUBUheJWPdm9+sKOZ4MlwVZYaJw8lNvPSgk= ; Message-ID: <20060717100818.17224.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:08:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: what this? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <033c01c6a947$45ff01b0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:08:20 +0000 (UTC) hmm getting smaller and cheaper than ever,very attractive,compact and 180.00 dlls. this is perhaps a warning of an upcoming loop virus,i am afraid everybody including our grandmas are going to start looping and dancing everywhere,shopping malls,streets,museums,shelter homes etc... Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Looks like it will be out in November and run for > about $180. It looks > temping for a basic street gig looper. I could take > it and my Roland > Microcube and play just about anywhere. I am curious > how the pedal works, > however. I am guessing that the first press starts > Record and the second > press Stops Record and starts Overdubing, or just > Stop Record, and a third > press starts Overdub...after that point each > additional press would turn > overdub on and off. I would prefer this latter > approach. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:30 PM > Subject: what this? > > > > http://www.gearwire.com/boss-rc2.html > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 10:31:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1D703BED8; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MvJnsFSuyqmLBWRUc0uO9pgrwW3nXpi3rlqR+beb2Ep+HQUNFFEpmeNN2Ih3DyZQ0/Lw9pwt7EqZyNNqPApCHRWOGSx0yx2YDgHqwcD4tp5J1tGsKq97/SyUhAAC+YMVpWiX6sDFZ4lLDQVW4vdS80K3AC0972kXG/Eyl9gESIg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38878675-9719-455E-B9E4-E65890311733@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:31:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8MFd.A.MO.ec2uEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:31:58 +0000 (UTC) On 17 jul 2006, at 11.50, mark t wrote: > What about a Dell D40? I found one with 1GB of RAM for $450. Excuse > my ignorance I am a long term mac user but want to get a PC soley for > Mobuis but do not want to spend alot. thanks. Don't know about Dell. But I've heard you can run Mobius fine on an intel mac if using Boot Camp (free Apple utility) to run Windows XP on it. I would go for that option if I should need a laptop today, since I work a lot with computers and find OS X faster than XP in my daily working situation (and is cheaper than having both a mac and a pc, as I have for now). For that alternative you would still need to shell out for a Windows XP license though. Those small Macbooks look very nice and cheap. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 10:41:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EA883BED8; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QfjDcGosMU2xL+TxADxgfmcAFHtab/MoeSFJ92tz9UugBM3tHiMssif5ovLpvZkWuFDvdbcVEPhMAq8DQN+XJsFeMO2Z8Wx67R1htM+GZu+4o3ffNU1TVY3Q94hNvoYNyzKot5qc3ZAHIa3M2B/zKoM0DgMPbHcLrDXzxiENP30= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:41:31 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? In-Reply-To: <38878675-9719-455E-B9E4-E65890311733@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> <38878675-9719-455E-B9E4-E65890311733@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:41:33 +0000 (UTC) After doing some research this is probably the route I will take! Will take some time or selling of gear to afford one though (not that they are THAT expensive but I am poor!). thanks. On 7/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 17 jul 2006, at 11.50, mark t wrote: > > > What about a Dell D40? I found one with 1GB of RAM for $450. Excuse > > my ignorance I am a long term mac user but want to get a PC soley for > > Mobuis but do not want to spend alot. thanks. > > > Don't know about Dell. But I've heard you can run Mobius fine on an > intel mac if using Boot Camp (free Apple utility) to run Windows XP > on it. I would go for that option if I should need a laptop today, > since I work a lot with computers and find OS X faster than XP in my > daily working situation (and is cheaper than having both a mac and a > pc, as I have for now). For that alternative you would still need to > shell out for a Windows XP license though. Those small Macbooks look > very nice and cheap. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 10:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 836E13BEF6; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015201c6a98e$4151ae00$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C26332E5E2E@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:46:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014F_01C6A99F.04A62790" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2006 10:46:30.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[435E1FD0:01C6A98E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:46:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C6A99F.04A62790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R: LD aniversary loop contributionsAnother italian looper, here !=20 Milco tou are welcome ! I can hear progressive-music influences in these songs, am I wrong ? Thanks for sharing this, Milco and let me hear more form you Fabio=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: milco.montagna@bt.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Cc: info@krispenhartung.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: R: LD aniversary loop contributions Hi Krispen,=20 Here you can download two mine 30 sec. pieces.=20 I have done a fade in and fade out of two my songs.=20 http://mio.discoremoto.alice.it/a_cube_studio=20 If anybody of the LD comunity has time to listen my songs I'd = appreciate any kind of comment.=20 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=3D547466=20 Milco=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121901060947=20 =20 -----Messaggio originale-----=20 Da: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Inviato: mercoled=EC 5 luglio 2006 5.32=20 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Oggetto: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions=20 30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what you do in that = space with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a larger = piece if you like, or just record it that way. Consider it a = "thumbnail" depiction of your looping personality. :) It should be a = good test of our ability to articulate what we are as loopers in 30 = sec...a fun challenge. Kris=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Timothy Mungenast" =20 To: =20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM=20 Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions=20 > How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? I'm not 100% clear = > whether we're talking about loop length or the length of the piece. = Sorry=20 > for being so dense ;-)=20 >=20 > ~Tim=20 >=20 >=20 >> [Original Message]=20 >> From: L.A. Angulo =20 >> To: =20 >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM=20 >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions=20 >>=20 >> Hi Josh,=20 >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my=20 >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra=20 >> touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also=20 >> slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it=20 >> sounds so obvious;-)=20 >> cheers=20 >> Luis=20 >>=20 >> --- Joshua Carroll wrote:=20 >>=20 >> > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you=20 >> > using?=20 >> >=20 >> > --Josh=20 >> >=20 >> > L.A. Angulo wrote:=20 >> > > Hi krispen,=20 >> > > Here is mine composed of 4 different=20 >> > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it=20 >> > > repeats itself(ups)=20 >> > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill=20 >> > donate=20 >> > > it to the LD comunity=20 >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm=20 >> > > cheers=20 >> > > Luis=20 >> > >=20 >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=20 >> > >=20 >> > > __________________________________________________=20 >> > > Do You Yahoo!?=20 >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam=20 >> > protection around=20 >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=20 >>=20 >> __________________________________________________=20 >> Do You Yahoo!?=20 >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 >> http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C6A99F.04A62790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R: LD aniversary loop contributions
    Another italian looper, = here !=20
    Milco tou are welcome=20 !
    I can hear = progressive-music=20 influences in these songs,
    am I wrong = ?
     
    Thanks for sharing = this,=20 Milco
    and let me hear more = form=20 you
    Fabio
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 milco.montagna@bt.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 = 11:02=20 AM
    Subject: R: LD aniversary loop=20 contributions

    Hi Krispen,
    Here you can = download two=20 mine 30 sec. pieces.
    I have done a fade in = and fade=20 out of two my songs.

    http://mio.discore= moto.alice.it/a_cube_studio=20


    If anybody of the LD comunity has time to listen my = songs I'd=20 appreciate any kind of comment.

    h= ttp://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=3D547466 =



    Milco
    http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/prof= iles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121901060947=20
     


    -----Messaggio originale-----
    Da:=20 Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20
    Inviato: mercoled=EC 5 luglio 2006 = 5.32
    A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Oggetto:=20 Re: LD aniversary loop contributions

    30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what = you do in=20 that space with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a = larger=20 piece if you like, or just record it that way.  Consider it a = "thumbnail"=20 depiction of your looping personality. :) It should be a good test of = our=20 ability to articulate what we are as loopers in 30 sec...a fun=20 challenge.

    Kris

    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> =
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM
    Subject:=20 Re: LD aniversary loop contributions


    > How much leeway is there on this 30-second = thing? I'm not=20 100% clear
    > whether we're talking about = loop=20 length or the length of the piece. Sorry
    > for=20 being so dense ;-)
    >
    >=20 ~Tim
    >
    >=20
    >> [Original Message]
    >>=20 From: L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
    >>=20 To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM
    >>=20 Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions
    >>
    >> Hi Josh, =
    >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from = my=20
    >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added = an=20 extra
    >> touch of reverb from a = timeworks=20 plugin.I am also
    >> slapping the = guitar quite=20 hard thats probably why it
    >> sounds = so=20 obvious;-)
    >> cheers
    >> Luis
    >> =
    >> --- Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> = wrote:=20
    >>
    >> > = Very=20 nice!  Great reverb in there.  What are you
    >> > using?
    >> = >=20
    >> > --Josh
    >>=20 >
    >> > L.A. Angulo wrote: =
    >> > > Hi krispen,
    >> >=20 > Here is mine composed of 4 different
    >>=20 > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it =
    >> > > repeats itself(ups)
    >>=20 > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill =
    >> > donate
    >> > = > it to=20 the LD comunity
    >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.co= m/looplab.htm=20
    >> > > cheers
    >>=20 > > Luis
    >> > > =
    >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =
    >> > >
    >> > = >=20 __________________________________________________
    >> > > Do You Yahoo!?
    >> >=20 > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam =
    >> > protection around
    >> >=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20
    >> > >
    >> >=20 >
    >> > >
    >> > >
    >> > = >=20
    >> >
    >> = >=20
    >>
    >> =
    >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
    >>
    >>=20 __________________________________________________
    >> Do You Yahoo!?
    >> = Tired of=20 spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around =
    >> http://mail.yahoo.com =
    >
    >
    >=20

    ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C6A99F.04A62790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 10:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A58663BF05; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BB6B11.4030902@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:48:49 -0500 From: Daryl User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Howdy from Mexico Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040506090100080703070005" Resent-Message-ID: <9r1beC.A.P5.es2uEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:49:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040506090100080703070005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, all...I unsubbed from the list almost two years ago due to travel preparations for moving from San Francisco down here to Oaxaca, Mexico, but finally have some time to start being a social musician again. I'm amazed at all the gear news from the past few years - the E-H 16-second delay reissue, their 2880, the Boss RC-20 and RC-50, Digitech JamMan, Looperlative, /maybe /the Repeater 2, all the laptop stuff... Myself, the only equipment I have right now is a nylon-string guitar, a fuzzbox and a Yamaha four-track cassette player. (Four-tracks rule! and they loop , too!) On one of my trips back to California, I scored a box of 100 endless tapes for ONE RED CENT (how's that for cheap media?) on Ebay and have embarked on a project to create a nice, self-contained loop (as opposed to using them interactively in performance) on each one. I've posted a few so far on my site - swanwelder.com - under the heading "Repetitive Miniatures". I've also been working on plans for a dedicated cassette-based looper that has a lot more of the features found in other loopers, like reverse play and record, easy pitchshifting, sound-on-sound, etc, besides some other things that are only really available in the analog domain. I'm excited enough about it to want to throw some money its way - any electronic tweakers interested in a new project? If I get too frustrated with my own sloppy soldering I may want a partner... Besides mis-using my four-track, I've been composing a lot of solo pieces, and am finding I really like repetition (I think I know where that comes from...). In lieu of a real performance spot, I post files to my site as I write 'em, which it seems lot of people are doing instead of releasing actual albums anyway. thank heavens for the Net, I'd be lost (and lonely) without it here. I've been very, very pleased to note that the intelligent (and civil) nature of this list has continued, I haven't felt like re-joining any other group but I always really liked this lil' community. Anyone else in Mexico out there? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --------------040506090100080703070005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, all...I unsubbed from the list almost two years ago due to travel preparations for moving from San Francisco down here to Oaxaca, Mexico, but finally have some time to start being a social musician again. I'm amazed at all the gear news from the past few years - the E-H 16-second delay reissue, their 2880, the Boss RC-20 and RC-50, Digitech JamMan, Looperlative, maybe the Repeater 2, all the laptop stuff...

    Myself, the only equipment I have right now is a nylon-string guitar, a fuzzbox and a Yamaha four-track cassette player. (Four-tracks rule! and they loop, too!) On one of my trips back to California, I scored a box of 100 endless tapes for ONE RED CENT (how's that for cheap media?) on Ebay and have embarked on a project to create a nice, self-contained loop (as opposed to using them interactively in performance) on each one. I've posted a few so far on my site - swanwelder.com - under the heading "Repetitive Miniatures".

    I've also been working on plans for a dedicated cassette-based looper that has a lot more of the features found in other loopers, like reverse play and record, easy pitchshifting, sound-on-sound, etc, besides some other things that are only really available in the analog domain. I'm excited enough about it to want to throw some money its way - any electronic tweakers interested in a new project? If I get too frustrated with my own sloppy soldering I may want a partner...

    Besides mis-using my four-track, I've been composing a lot of solo pieces, and am finding I really like repetition (I think I know where that comes from...). In lieu of a real performance spot, I post files to my site as I write 'em, which it seems lot of people are doing instead of releasing actual albums anyway. thank heavens for the Net, I'd be lost (and lonely) without it here.

    I've been very, very pleased to note that the intelligent (and civil) nature of this list has continued, I haven't felt like re-joining any other group but I always really liked this lil' community.

    Anyone else in Mexico out there?

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    --------------040506090100080703070005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 11:00:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D1303BF0E; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pdWRnVFSGE4xtd6lrJmGWKF5y9Bufv1xvm/sdGJMcWjs2JxNCSnAFxKSrwf5JeGSAiz0DPCgEzQhbo5r11Hvvn7tf2u34TXlTtR61URFQILNyeDZNVRp8SX8879Lmrll+M887fcdfY+aUbiOx0X4JCEm7BbBbFDJUpVCzZRepJM= In-Reply-To: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Fabio Anile Podcast Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:00:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:00:15 +0000 (UTC) On 14 jul 2006, at 12.25, Fabio Anile wrote: > Hi people, > this is my first experience with podcast. > and I'm not sure if it works. > Can someone try it and report to me if it works ? > Thanks > fabio > > http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/itunes.pcast Hi Fabio, I'm sorry I'm a bit late to test this link for you, but I have been =20 on the road for more than two weeks with only borrowed dial-up =20 internet access. Now that I'm back in-house I clicked your link. =20 Unfortunately no podcast is distributed my way. I use a Mac for =20 internet and your link suggests my OS to open the stream in iTunes =20 (application). So far everything works fine, but then iTunes doesn't =20 seem recognize any proper xml document online to direct it where to =20 pick up the audio stream. On the other hand; if I type http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/=20 eterogeneo into my web browser I can enjoy your Vitaminic page. =20 Listening now while munching a mountain of m=FCsli partly hidden under =20= white youghurt... oops? ok, I'll cut that crap... Wonderful music, Fabio!!! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 12:14:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03253BEF5; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: More RC-2 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:14:47 +0000 Message-Id: <071720061214.8871.44BB7F37000825EE000022A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Got this link to a NAMM show report - shows a better photo of the RC-2 along with some specs. Sounds like it could be fun! http://www.zzounds.com/article/blog/post01.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 12:40:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B85C3BEF6; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:40:16 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 62.3.215.194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060717124020.C2175237B5E@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:40:25 +0000 (UTC) In my opinion, all but 4, 5 and 7 should be in a series FX loop. %, 4 and 7 should be in front of the amp, in that order, depending on what you use the booster for - more volume or more overdrive. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes Date: 17/07/06 09:47 Thanx Jeff, yes they are all hooked up in series but i want to stay away from racks,this is a pedalboard ment for jams,blues bands etc. where i can set up really fast and uncomplicated access to main effects but where pure tone is required.You are right some of them certainly arent true bypass but i do see a lot of pros using the same of pedals and until now havent seen anybody using an additional signal looper with them... I am testing an amp soon which has parallel and series efxs loop sends and returns maybe i can come up with a better configuration, we´ll see... Luis --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2006, at 1:15 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > I need some tips from those of you using lots of > pedal > > effects in optimizing a guitar signal,there is a > > significant volume difference between using my > efxs > > and pluging directly into my 50w tube amp. > > Here is my pedal board signal: > > 1.sweet sound Mojo Vibe > > 2.Line6 roto machine > > 3.boss pn2 vibrato > > 4.Ibanez ts9 > > 5.boss octave > > 6.boss dl3 > > 7.nobels preamp booster > > 8.Line6 DL4 > > 9.bossn N2 noise supressor > > Are all of these pedals connected together in > series? If so, there is > some *serious* tone suckage going on. Most of them > probably are not > true bypass either, although I believe the Sweet > Sound Mojo vibe is. > > You need a looper--a different kind of looper than > is usually > discussed here. You need something that can > insert/remove smaller > loops of effects, so that your signal isn't > continually degraded as > it moves further and further through the fx chain. I > forget who makes > them, but one guy's in particular is always being > discussed on The > Gear Page. You may try searching "looper" there > (www.thegearpage.net) > Or check out a Switchblade (www.soundsculpture.com), > if you've got > the bucks. You could rack those pedals and put each > one in a > Switchblade "loop". You can then route your signal > any way you want > from simple to complex, series or parallel. > > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 13:10:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F55D3BEFA; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:02:59 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 15, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44BB8A83.3010208@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:10:11 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060715.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #91 July 15, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Palancar A Profound Asymmetry A Profound Asymmetry (none) VA [Rene V.D. Wouden] E-Lively Edition #9 Sampler (Groove) VA [Nattefrost] Valhal Edition #9 Sampler (Groove) VA [Embrase] Journey Through a Edition #9 Sampler (Groove) Soundscape Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 13:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 027013BEF3; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <046b01c6a9a6$347c1450$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:37:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:37:56 +0000 (UTC) I don't see why not. Looks like a decent deal. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark t" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:11 AM Subject: Would this work for Mobuis? > https://www.eritech.com/detail.php?item=2373-75U > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 14:06:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468DA3BEE2; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:02:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:06:21 +0000 (UTC) The RC-50, Electro Harmonix 2880, digitech GNX-4 and Looperlative LP-1 are all stereo capable loopers which are currently in production. Only one has knobs to adjust multiple parameters as you create..... >Stereo recording....will that include stereo input/output too? That >would be cool. That will make only two that can do this, right? I >thought the RC50 was stereo i/o as well. > >It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is >building now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. > >Kris -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 14:11:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B963BED5; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,251,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="591063499:sNHT47451346" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-892133245 Message-Id: <5d2298a795a5f27ca756aa710da7e6c8@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Fabio Anile Podcast Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:11:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:11:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-892133245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Fabio, I just did as Per said in his post and typed into my browser and it finally took me to your Vitaminic page. I am listening right now. I do so very much love what I am hearing so far. Wow! Do you have a CD? I'll buy one! Ted On Jul 17, 2006, at 3:01 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: > Thanks for your report, Ted. > I'm not expert with this, so I will try again > and let you know when it works. > Fabio --Apple-Mail-2-892133245 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Fabio, I just did as Per said in his post and typed < into my browser and it finally took me to your Vitaminic page. I am listening right now. I do so very much love what I am hearing so far. Wow! Do you have a CD? I'll buy one! Ted On Jul 17, 2006, at 3:01 AM, Fabio Anile wrote: Helvetica0000,0000,8080Thanks for your report, Ted. Helvetica0000,0000,8080I'm not expert with this, so I will try again Helvetica0000,0000,8080and let you know when it works. Helvetica0000,0000,8080Fabio --Apple-Mail-2-892133245-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 14:17:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 410F53BEDE; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04af01c6a9ab$bc91a080$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:17:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:17:33 +0000 (UTC) The Electroharmonix and Digitech are floor units, right? I was referring to floor/pedal units. I have the Looperlative and love that single space! Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... > The RC-50, Electro Harmonix 2880, digitech GNX-4 and Looperlative LP-1 are > all stereo capable loopers which are currently in production. Only one > has knobs to adjust multiple parameters as you create..... > >>Stereo recording....will that include stereo input/output too? That would >>be cool. That will make only two that can do this, right? I thought the >>RC50 was stereo i/o as well. >> >>It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is building >>now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. >> >>Kris > > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 14:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A284B3BEF3; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <308.115ab900.31ecfac2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:37:54 EDT Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_308.115ab900.31ecfac2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:58 +0000 (UTC) --part1_308.115ab900.31ecfac2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/17/06 4:04:12 AM, aleatoric12@gmail.com writes: > what is a blooperrang? > there were a bunch of buggy rangs.....i think the bug was: if you record a maximun length loop, the rang will stop by itself and you have to engage the play button to make the loop play.....if you do not do this quickly enough the rang gives out a nasty sound and the loop is useless (to some of us.....:).....i seldom if ever make loops this long so for me this would not be an issue.....mike nelson kindly told us that he would sell these at a great discount, i forget the price but seem to remember that it was a nice deal.....i would think that this bug will NOT effect 95% of the rang users seeing that hardly anyone uses that long a loop.....i hope the new rangs (stereo) will be as elegent and simple to use as the original rang.....hope this helps.....michael p.s. if i had the $ i would get one of these blooperangs.....no doubt about it! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_308.115ab900.31ecfac2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 7/17/06 4:04:12 AM, aleatoric12@gmail.com writes:


    what is a blooperrang= ?


    there were a bunch of buggy rangs.....i think the bug was: if you record=20= a maximun length loop, the rang will stop by itself and you have to engage t= he play button to make the loop play.....if you do not do this quickly enoug= h the rang gives out a nasty sound and the loop is useless (to some of us...= ..:).....i seldom if ever make loops this long so for me this would not be a= n issue.....mike nelson kindly told us that he would sell these at a great d= iscount, i forget the price but seem to remember that it was a nice deal....= .i would think that this bug will NOT effect 95% of the rang users seeing th= at hardly anyone uses that long a loop.....i hope the new rangs (stereo) wil= l be as elegent and simple to use as the original rang.....hope this helps..= ...michael
    p.s. if i had the $ i would get one of these blooperangs.....no doubt about=20= it!



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     --part1_308.115ab900.31ecfac2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 15:14:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E2233BEF6; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6A9B3.AF4F970B" Subject: Milco Montagna web site Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:14:22 +0100 Message-ID: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C26333466E8@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Milco Montagna web site Thread-Index: Acaps675S8zt/XDlSwi3079X75OHRA== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2006 15:14:23.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF691F20:01C6A9B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:14:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A9B3.AF4F970B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fabio Oh yes!! I can't forget what King Crimson meant for progressive-music =20 >From my simple web site you can download also my first experiment with = live looping and my Loop Collection =20 Milco http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna ________________________________ Da: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]=20 Inviato: luned=EC 17 luglio 2006 12.46 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions Another italian looper, here !=20 Milco tou are welcome ! I can hear progressive-music influences in these songs, am I wrong ? =20 Thanks for sharing this, Milco and let me hear more form you Fabio=20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: milco.montagna@bt.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Cc: info@krispenhartung.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: R: LD aniversary loop contributions Hi Krispen,=20 Here you can download two mine 30 sec. pieces.=20 I have done a fade in and fade out of two my songs.=20 http://mio.discoremoto.alice.it/a_cube_studio=20 If anybody of the LD comunity has time to listen my songs I'd = appreciate any kind of comment.=20 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=3D547466=20 Milco=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121901060947=20 =20 -----Messaggio originale-----=20 Da: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Inviato: mercoled=EC 5 luglio 2006 5.32=20 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Oggetto: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions=20 30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what you do in that = space with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a larger = piece if you like, or just record it that way. Consider it a = "thumbnail" depiction of your looping personality. :) It should be a = good test of our ability to articulate what we are as loopers in 30 = sec...a fun challenge. Kris=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Timothy Mungenast" =20 To: =20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM=20 Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions=20 > How much leeway is there on this 30-second thing? I'm not 100% clear=20 > whether we're talking about loop length or the length of the piece. = Sorry=20 > for being so dense ;-)=20 >=20 > ~Tim=20 >=20 >=20 >> [Original Message]=20 >> From: L.A. Angulo =20 >> To: =20 >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM=20 >> Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions=20 >>=20 >> Hi Josh,=20 >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from my=20 >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added an extra=20 >> touch of reverb from a timeworks plugin.I am also=20 >> slapping the guitar quite hard thats probably why it=20 >> sounds so obvious;-)=20 >> cheers=20 >> Luis=20 >>=20 >> --- Joshua Carroll wrote:=20 >>=20 >> > Very nice! Great reverb in there. What are you=20 >> > using?=20 >> >=20 >> > --Josh=20 >> >=20 >> > L.A. Angulo wrote:=20 >> > > Hi krispen,=20 >> > > Here is mine composed of 4 different=20 >> > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it=20 >> > > repeats itself(ups)=20 >> > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill=20 >> > donate=20 >> > > it to the LD comunity=20 >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm=20 >> > > cheers=20 >> > > Luis=20 >> > >=20 >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=20 >> > >=20 >> > > __________________________________________________=20 >> > > Do You Yahoo!?=20 >> > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam=20 >> > protection around=20 >> > > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> > >=20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=20 >>=20 >> __________________________________________________=20 >> Do You Yahoo!?=20 >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 >> http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A9B3.AF4F970B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R: LD aniversary loop contributions
    Hi Fabio
    Oh yes!!  I can't forget what King=20 Crimson meant for progressive-music
     
    From my simple web site you can download also = my first=20 experiment with live looping and my Loop Collection
     
    Milco
    http://xoomer.alice.it/mil= co.montagna

    Da: Fabio Anile = [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it]=20
    Inviato: luned=EC 17 luglio 2006 12.46
    A:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Oggetto: Re: LD aniversary = loop=20 contributions

    Another italian looper, = here !=20
    Milco tou are welcome=20 !
    I can hear = progressive-music=20 influences in these songs,
    am I wrong = ?
     
    Thanks for sharing = this,=20 Milco
    and let me hear more = form=20 you
    Fabio
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 milco.montagna@bt.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 = 11:02=20 AM
    Subject: R: LD aniversary loop=20 contributions

    Hi Krispen,
    Here you can = download two=20 mine 30 sec. pieces.
    I have done a fade in = and fade=20 out of two my songs.

    http://mio.discore= moto.alice.it/a_cube_studio=20


    If anybody of the LD comunity has time to listen my = songs I'd=20 appreciate any kind of comment.

    h= ttp://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=3D547466 =



    Milco
    http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/prof= iles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121901060947=20
     


    -----Messaggio originale-----
    Da:=20 Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20
    Inviato: mercoled=EC 5 luglio 2006 = 5.32
    A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Oggetto:=20 Re: LD aniversary loop contributions

    30 sec for the entire piece +/- a few seconds...what = you do in=20 that space with loops is up to you. You could fade in and out of a = larger=20 piece if you like, or just record it that way.  Consider it a = "thumbnail"=20 depiction of your looping personality. :) It should be a good test of = our=20 ability to articulate what we are as loopers in 30 sec...a fun=20 challenge.

    Kris

    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> =
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:21 PM
    Subject:=20 Re: LD aniversary loop contributions


    > How much leeway is there on this 30-second = thing? I'm not=20 100% clear
    > whether we're talking about = loop=20 length or the length of the piece. Sorry
    > for=20 being so dense ;-)
    >
    >=20 ~Tim
    >
    >=20
    >> [Original Message]
    >>=20 From: L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com>
    >>=20 To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    >> Date: 7/4/2006 9:58:07 PM
    >>=20 Subject: Re: LD aniversary loop contributions
    >>
    >> Hi Josh, =
    >> Thank you kindly,i pretty much went directly from = my=20
    >> mackie cfx1202 into my soundcard and added = an=20 extra
    >> touch of reverb from a = timeworks=20 plugin.I am also
    >> slapping the = guitar quite=20 hard thats probably why it
    >> sounds = so=20 obvious;-)
    >> cheers
    >> Luis
    >> =
    >> --- Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> = wrote:=20
    >>
    >> > = Very=20 nice!  Great reverb in there.  What are you
    >> > using?
    >> = >=20
    >> > --Josh
    >>=20 >
    >> > L.A. Angulo wrote: =
    >> > > Hi krispen,
    >> >=20 > Here is mine composed of 4 different
    >>=20 > > loops,unfortunately about 50 sec.long before it =
    >> > > repeats itself(ups)
    >>=20 > > but if it doesnt work for this project then ill =
    >> > donate
    >> > = > it to=20 the LD comunity
    >> > > http://www.luis-angulo.co= m/looplab.htm=20
    >> > > cheers
    >>=20 > > Luis
    >> > > =
    >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =
    >> > >
    >> > = >=20 __________________________________________________
    >> > > Do You Yahoo!?
    >> >=20 > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam =
    >> > protection around
    >> >=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20
    >> > >
    >> >=20 >
    >> > >
    >> > >
    >> > = >=20
    >> >
    >> = >=20
    >>
    >> =
    >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
    >>
    >>=20 __________________________________________________
    >> Do You Yahoo!?
    >> = Tired of=20 spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around =
    >> http://mail.yahoo.com =
    >
    >
    >=20

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6A9B3.AF4F970B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 16:02:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D8E33BF0A; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:02:37 -0600 Message-Id: <200607171602.k6HG2bH01584@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Way OT: Video Compression Help X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <6nqCwC.A.V_F.hS7uEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:02:42 +0000 (UTC) I know this is far from the intended point of this list, but I also know there are a lot of smart and multi-talented people here so I'm going to go ahead and ask; does anyone know of a good resource to learn about digital video compression issues? I've been making digital videos to accompany some of my spacier music and I've created about 80 minutes of video that I'm very happy with. Watching the individual files is great, they all look quite sharp and snappy but when I try to create a DVD from the files, they are being decimated by compression and reduced to an ugly collection of pixelated junk (big square pixels too, not even small discreet squares). Now I know that there is serious compression going on (I'm trying to reduce about 17 gb to a single DVD of 4.7 gb) but I'm completely in the dark about how to mitigate the compression so the video looks acceptable. Does anyone have any links or information they would be willing to share with a very frustrated looper? Many thanks in advance. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 17:00:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 695043BF06; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22911969.1153155608878.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:00:08 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Cc: Charles Zwicky MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:00:14 +0000 (UTC) /digitech GNX-4/ It might be stereo, but looper? I wouldn't distinguish the capable GNX4 with that description. The looper onboard is awful. -- Paul ---- Charles Zwicky wrote: > The RC-50, Electro Harmonix 2880, digitech GNX-4 and Looperlative > LP-1 are all stereo capable loopers which are currently in > production. Only one has knobs to adjust multiple parameters as you > create..... > > >Stereo recording....will that include stereo input/output too? That > >would be cool. That will make only two that can do this, right? I > >thought the RC50 was stereo i/o as well. > > > >It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is > >building now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. > > > >Kris > > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 17:00:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B8FE3BEF3; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:00:53 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <38878675-9719-455E-B9E4-E65890311733@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060717170053.58580@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> <38878675-9719-455E-B9E4-E65890311733@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks > I've heard you can run Mobius fine on an > intel mac if using Boot Camp (free Apple utility) These are actually also my thoughts. The options I see: - Dual Boot Win XP on Mac - Wait for Universal Binaries of Sooper Looper - Buy a cheap Win Laptop and run Möbius The last option actually _does_ sound quite charming. It would be your "designated hardware looper" so to speak. What are the realistic minimum hardware specs for a noteboox to run Möbius with ,say, 6 parallel stereo loops? A cheap laptop should do..? Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 17:15:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9EA43BF0D; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tcnD4u5pUDvhO/nFBn2sfTlMZJDcOONt+KDsuhKYGi4jTDrgmQm7+ymlg2yVA3s+HWfw+g8mrZe1+2OFbuIqRvga9t3s4H5ac79GQZiKUFDER2YJnjdkbJCWbE3Qe9JTktNGXtc5jWMOSbM2LN9vFKtQifY4h9lzwAoEu/pt+EQ= In-Reply-To: <20060717170053.58580@gmx.net> References: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> <38878675-9719-455E-B9E4-E65890311733@gmail.com> <20060717170053.58580@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2793AE2B-6726-4926-B7E0-A729FF5FDF8C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:15:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:15:20 +0000 (UTC) On 17 jul 2006, at 19.00, Buzap Buzap wrote: > These are actually also my thoughts. The options I see: > - Dual Boot Win XP on Mac > - Wait for Universal Binaries of Sooper Looper > - Buy a cheap Win Laptop and run M=F6bius > > The last option actually _does_ sound quite charming. It would be =20 > your "designated hardware looper" so to speak. > What are the realistic minimum hardware specs for a noteboox to run =20= > M=F6bius with ,say, 6 parallel stereo loops? With Windows lappies there is the risk of getting one that suffers =20 from grounding current noise (can be a big bummer in a loud PA system =20= if you plan do do concerts). To avoid that you can buy from a =20 dedicated audio PC vendor or buy exactly the same PC as someone =20 already has proofed usable for audio with the audio interface you =20 plan to use yourself. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 17:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7E293BEFC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uzzepg5nAK7nC4siGbMIhd/B/VVdwLaoEhimXpF9IMQicYBX5Dp00UmWYk2bXs9onXH2YamzBnOaHAPH8YXSyz/OP6RdrxmkYTr9cp4hS8d0+VfIX5yqxKF6V6t3fVvY9EKi7eYf0NMM7JEGT4hLWi7sdvCgyC5Sgfa+seEwsn0= ; Message-ID: <20060717175041.76498.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:51:48 +0000 (UTC) I don't know about current Dell models but a looper friend of mine who used to be on this list (Jon El-Bizri) had enormous trouble with his Dell and ground hum. He warned me to stay away. I've heard others say that Dell stuff is more or less crap marketed to the masses. When I was shopping for my laptop I found people using Thinkpads to be very happy with them. One of the people who does audio for our company swore by his Toshiba. Toshiba was doing a really nice sale when I was about to buy a Thinkpad, so I went with one and I'm really happy with it. You can check out prices at toshibadirect.com. I found I could get a better spec'd machine for less, but I had about $1500 to play with after I returned my Looperlative. Lots of people say they're too expensive, but my friend likes his Sony VAIO and he uses it for music as well. As for Audio interfaces... I didn't go hog wild. M-Audio Firewire Solo (DON'T GO USB1) seems to do a great job. Oh yeah, I liked the fact that Toshiba had built in firewire. If I had the chance to do it again I may have gotten an interface that had a few more ins and outs, but frankly I'm very happy with my current set up. I can get a few softsynths running, a couple of stereo tracks of loops running just nicely. Mark --- mark t wrote: > After doing some research this is probably the route > I will take! > Will take some time or selling of gear to afford one > though (not that > they are THAT expensive but I am poor!). thanks. > > On 7/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 17 jul 2006, at 11.50, mark t wrote: > > > > > What about a Dell D40? I found one with 1GB of > RAM for $450. Excuse > > > my ignorance I am a long term mac user but want > to get a PC soley for > > > Mobuis but do not want to spend alot. thanks. > > > > > > Don't know about Dell. But I've heard you can run > Mobius fine on an > > intel mac if using Boot Camp (free Apple utility) > to run Windows XP > > on it. I would go for that option if I should need > a laptop today, > > since I work a lot with computers and find OS X > faster than XP in my > > daily working situation (and is cheaper than > having both a mac and a > > pc, as I have for now). For that alternative you > would still need to > > shell out for a Windows XP license though. Those > small Macbooks look > > very nice and cheap. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 17:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5883BF00; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DlMwoXwqChZevJ7uo6iX3hXlQ0F5OYYi6iUDnufLZ+XVxEyK+Y8CDSup31CixZHSSUNQ1qCSkgP5Rm5NFKSSNJILfNveRrtg3XIqL/6LLgEOhjayrIax7fhMSVL+6gPxIarvZWD9c0DGgp4511RogiUxQP5kPf6J39O5rXQEayA= ; Message-ID: <20060717175603.43645.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:56:05 +0000 (UTC) > > Good thing is that it has a separate video memory, > shared memory for > > graphics can be problematic with audio software. > How do you intend to > > get the analog sound out of that box? I can't see > any spec's on an > > eventual PCMCIA, USB or FireWire to add a decent > audio converter? Yeah, I looked into this too and it's one of the reasons I decided against Macbooks (The "Pro" has video with it's own vram but the cheaper Macbooks don't) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 18:26:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4714A3BEFE; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SdNuB0opelM3IPZ/YwrBQ/ZxexqFHl8cuuvGt2+7jSzTw2V/Ue2Da1q49EOAVj0WOsH3/ALGHHkyAEV9TVVcKA4ekas5kDOWZFzGJ0rMza1zB2Ai1O5blnfQj1OHA+LJ6Z4e5yupiTSOYanNtinDbHNHjAhf37/zeiq4dArDlBA= ; Message-ID: <20060717182641.79341.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BassLab/Steinberger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060715183204.46069.qmail@web55506.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that influence shows... Don't ask me why but it's what I like. Perfect blend of music and science for me. M --- Monica wrote: > Also - funny you mention Steinberger. BassLab also > builds some parts and > pre-amps for Ned Steinberger Designs. Steinberger > was Heiko's biggest influence > in building. > > mark sottilaro wrote: > Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker > Flys > look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend > on > a new guitar.... > > It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around > for some new sound or cool way of controlling it. > Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I > rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace > it. > Same with my Steinberger Q Bass. > > --- Monica wrote: > > > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars! > > http://www.basslab.de > > > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass! > > ~Tim > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Monica > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM > > Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... > > > > > > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 18:35:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E627B3BF01; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:03 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes In-reply-to: <20060716061553.85668.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000701c6a9cf$ff90ec50$0602a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4eXl1B.A.OtF.ah9uEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:35:06 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure that all of the advice about the paralleism is good, and I don't have the time to investigate what all of those boxes are (and, really, are *all* of them necessary?), but here are a couple of general principles. Please, anyone chime in and correct me if I'm misguided about these: 1. Delays, choruses and other time-modulation effects generally belong at the end of the signal chain, right before the amp, in my opinion (just think about adding distortion post-delay - generally, it can only produce a mess. Pre-amps are in the same category as distortions). 2. More importantly, the output of each unit should be as loud as possible without overloading the input of the next item in the chain (there are probably exceptions to this). You can test for this by building the chain up one unit at a time, from start to end, optimizing the level each time. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes > > > Hi gang, > I need some tips from those of you using lots of pedal > effects in optimizing a guitar signal,there is a > significant volume difference between using my efxs > and pluging directly into my 50w tube amp. > Here is my pedal board signal: > 1.sweet sound Mojo Vibe > 2.Line6 roto machine > 3.boss pn2 vibrato > 4.Ibanez ts9 > 5.boss octave > 6.boss dl3 > 7.nobels preamp booster > 8.Line6 DL4 > 9.bossn N2 noise supressor > all of the effects except for the DL4 are 9V and are > conected to the Boss N2 noise supressors send and > return power supply(which is fed by a Ibanez 9V 200ma > AC adaptor)and then goes out directly to my amp.The > line 6 has its separate 12v AC adaptor. > Any tips or links on how to are highly appreciated! > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 18:42:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87B0D3BEFC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <308.115ab900.31ecfac2@aol.com> References: <308.115ab900.31ecfac2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:42:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:42:01 +0000 (UTC) At 10:37 AM -0400 7/17/06, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 7/17/06 4:04:12 AM, aleatoric12@gmail.com writes: >> >>what is a blooperrang? > >there were a bunch of buggy rangs.....i think the bug was: if you >record a maximun length loop, the rang will stop by itself and you >have to engage the play button to make the loop play.....if you do >not do this quickly enough the rang gives out a nasty sound and the >loop is useless (to some of us.....:).....i seldom if ever make >loops this long so for me this would not be an issue.....mike nelson >kindly told us that he would sell these at a great discount, i >forget the price but seem to remember that it was a nice deal.....i >would think that this bug will NOT effect 95% of the rang users >seeing that hardly anyone uses that long a loop.....i hope the new >rangs (stereo) will be as elegent and simple to use as the original >rang.....hope this helps.....michael >p.s. if i had the $ i would get one of these blooperangs.....no >doubt about it! Yeah, that's pretty much spot on: you fill up the entire memory with one single loop until it stops recording, then let it just sit there unplayed for a few minutes. I guess the time left sitting varies a bit, but it's measured in minutes, not seconds. When you finally return to play the loop, it's degraded into a nasty noise. You can get the Blooperang back to normal by simply erasing that loop and recording a new one. They're going for $279, I think, and Mike was kind enough to post their availability last June or July, IIRC. I woulda killed for one while I was stuck in Japan with no gear for 3 months last August, but I figured by that time they had to be sold out by then. Oops! --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 18:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C52FD3BEFE; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:55:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:55:09 +0000 (UTC) At 1:43 AM -0600 7/17/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is >building now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. Yeah, I agree. I'd even been toying with the idea of trying out an RC-50 because, like, y'know I'm such a gearwhore that I've gotta have one of everything. ;) Heh! I'd actually been considering a floor unit that might be a bit more flexible than the little DL-4 I use occasionally. No doubt about the good the 'Rang's user interface is, and if they're bumping up the features/specs like this, then I don't have to throw cash at the Boss unit -- I'll hold off until December. The new box is going to be half the size of the current product too. My only concern there is that I hope there's space to keep the volume roller, 'cause that little feature is just brilliant. --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 18:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5ACA3BEFE; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B+sQi/B6sYwF1FcH8hvayNoqYwkbMgdcr7yrdN5Fkmxi4x6/vVVoggIe9GIW8D9/047aTiwxQBKrRomzMzDroWGystF2/sHhTpMdOi6OIk5ah8QA6us6QlX2iJeXSJVRHtYwQ1BI2jRHo2S/1BQS34lB1KhI5uRXJagGdgv/8wI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060717175603.43645.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060717175603.43645.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:56:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:56:37 +0000 (UTC) >>> Good thing is that it has a separate video memory, >> shared memory for >>> graphics can be problematic with audio software. >> How do you intend to >>> get the analog sound out of that box? I can't see >> any spec's on an >>> eventual PCMCIA, USB or FireWire to add a decent >> audio converter? On 17 jul 2006, at 19.56, mark sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, I looked into this too and it's one of the > reasons I decided against Macbooks (The "Pro" has > video with it's own vram but the cheaper Macbooks don't) Yes, but users have reported that macbookd don't seem to have a problem with the shared memory when used for audio work. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 19:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 104663BEFC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <03ed01c6a974$abc32030$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:03:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:03:23 +0000 (UTC) At 1:55 PM -0500 7/17/06, mech wrote: > >No doubt about the good the 'Rang's user interface is Erm, should read: "No doubt about *how* good the 'Rang's user interface is". Wife's in the background reading me news articles from across the room while I type. I'm lucky I can spell my name if multi-tasking.... :P --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 19:52:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BA5A3BEF3; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=P1ujpJ7WJUwpx3ktLa9Xk3e12WvasWlHOM3nDwR+gxAbGvb2OzaNabZsZoTY9NIcwB7R8KVqHnsQpfJ5cUT0cg/5fwv/IjPT1ab40IExQ9soZhqD6CyzeraUAwTrLxFymhG2qc5p2DlRu/FRFVbCVTv/1TtRx8Q3Yi4ppTbXoBk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5d2298a795a5f27ca756aa710da7e6c8@charter.net> References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <5d2298a795a5f27ca756aa710da7e6c8@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Live 6 addresses "Liveloopers and Beatboxers" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:52:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) This is fun. The upcoming Live 6 is addressing "Liveloopers and Beatboxers". This interesting proclamation is to be found at the very last three seconds of the very last demo video called "Hands On Control". Link: http://www.ableton.com/live6-showcase. L6 still in the alpha phase so it's too early to tell if it will be a lot better for live looping than L5. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 20:14:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C8933BEF0; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m2kWm4qrKwbXGIDVJuqxVvpoJvsZyulbVUQ9crp3SQKvE0ZRvH/l/ZPhWvpAYDNj+hC4KAuYoK7JIYdXREvtqcz+NV5A7POqsZgr6Op3KYeSlfEkqqeLJzj0BFocklQMervnghAXVq2BFdpJRvGZtjIgBTU5gmRPYyQZXgN5+Dw= ; Message-ID: <20060717201436.67136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Favorite soft synths... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Hey gang... I'm having lots of fun with a demo version of Syrtus and my beloved Absynth and I was wondering what other software synths people love that are a little more interesting and obscure. I know it's off topic, but you guys always know the best stuff. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 20:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C56E3BEE6; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=l6y41KHYnuSmwWSkWq3OV4Rsicr5AC27LPo5u0Hqk3fH/Yrnpfzpve7+fp5y6gU3PTlKxhxKir+CSTEWVEzFAUSJOraAvgOVXh2Ys6r/8s8SghHOtIin0CHI2ZSK3xF2kA0lXZM/ou1Kr1oZUnHF77hEjA8sQjNKbTDCiU2Wfxo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060717201436.67136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060717201436.67136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <13773099-C456-4C6D-9FEC-B7AB8E484A9C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Favorite soft synths... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:37:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:37:15 +0000 (UTC) On 17 jul 2006, at 22.14, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey gang... > > I'm having lots of fun with a demo version of Syrtus > and my beloved Absynth and I was wondering what other > software synths people love that are a little more > interesting and obscure. I know it's off topic, but > you guys always know the best stuff. > > Mark Arturia's Moog Modular V2 for it's fat and genuine "moog modular" sound. Albino 3 for its good sound and the option to use micro tonality. Camelaudio's CA 5000 for its "un-earthy" sound and the option to use micro tonality. Logic's ES1, ES2, vocoder and Sculpture; each one with its own unique sound. I also like all synths in Logic because they are even more micro tonal friendly since you can run the complete application in Hermode Tuning - http:// www.hermode.de/ Those are my fav's. I do not like the synths that comes built in Ableton Live 5 (because of the sound) and I do not like Kontakt 2 (because of NI's paranoid licensing strategies). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 21:08:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B8E53BEF4; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAABiYu0QNgmyGSg From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:08:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Favorite soft synths... X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <20060717201436.67136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> <20060717201436.67136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--37218c3cbf4874f0444a" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:08:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----37218c3cbf4874f0444a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reaktor is by far the best soft synth I've ever used. Obscure? No. Interesting? Yes. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ----37218c3cbf4874f0444a Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Reaktor is by far the best soft synth I've ever used. Obscure? No. Interesting? Yes.
     
    Mark Smart
    ----37218c3cbf4874f0444a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 21:16:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 847B93BEF4; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dUoBE9ZzUQ3sTPHl/AWnxVL74Fg/Hv039/KppRj86zjcbOHkFgZSYGWPaqPgxxxqFTKS2KPuK1qmVXUOZcxWQMdkafa47gMv3BzfPYKD60sS5sS9Wax0G+V1x2hmX8/eCQ9QDBr0NihefOOKIqTfxg0cypEf+EHCM79NGHQK1aw= ; Message-ID: <20060717211648.36283.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c6a77d$1980cd60$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:55 +0000 (UTC) To do this I've abandoned traditional amp setups because even those that have a stereo effects loop (rare) I still don't have the flexibility I'd like. Instead I use a Vox Tonelab SE (search the archives on my email and Vox and Bill Walker's name too) This way my signal stays a line level signal and I can bring it into a mixer and use sends to route effects or connect a seperate recorder. The whole thing is fairly simple and I find most gigs have some sort of PA I can use anyway. Lately however I'm gearing up to go guitar->Tonelab->Mixer|effects loop out-> laptop->Mixer. There may be a way to get a recording out of this setup too... Not sure if the laptop is fast enough to do all this...though I rarely record myself live. M --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Don't know if I really get what you want to do, but > I'll try: > > I guess the most simple setup to do multitrack > recording, taking into > account that you most probably already have a > sufficient computer, would be > to use a mixer with multitrack firewire interface. I > was told (but haven't > tried them myself) that the ones with the best > price/performance ratio are > the Alesis MultiMix Firewire thingies (which are > available as 8, 12 and 16 > channel variants), which also come with a Cubase LE > software. > > > ________________________________ > > Von: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Juli 2006 20:53 > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? > > > Hi ! > > Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording. > > I will try explaining with my poor english. > > I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps > fx-rute. I do > this to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my > loops and on my > guitar-leads. I do like the sound. > > What I miss: > I would like to play live, and still be able to > record the loops and > my more regular guitarplaying into different tracks > (live). I could buy more > amps... > > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go > into the loops, and > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional > guitarplaying, and maybe > still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and > sound > http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm > > What kind of setup do you guys use and why ? > > > > best regards of Rune F. > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 21:21:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5943BEFC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=q0JyREEzMGexLFvMRqGfcfTT471KiZuz74xFewLRSxqWRMsvp1pzaQ2s8UiPBqYO; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067117212524250@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Lexicon LXP-15 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:25:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94085b492fd5e8a7e2b66ada91df25db24b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.18 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:21:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gang: I figured I'd try asking again...couldn't hurt. Do any of you know who can fix my Lexicon LXP-15? (It runs the self-diagnostics but won't load the operating system.) Lexicon won't fix it, and their go-to guy for obsolete gear (Jim Fabiano) doesn't do LXP-15s (or Jam Mans, or Vortexes, etc etc). I'd be grateful for any ideas. ~Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

    Hi Gang:
     
    I figured I'd try asking again...couldn't hurt. Do any of you know who can fix my Lexicon LXP-15? (It runs the self-diagnostics but won't load the operating system.)  Lexicon won't fix it, and their go-to guy for obsolete gear (Jim Fabiano) doesn't do LXP-15s (or Jam Mans, or Vortexes, etc etc).
     
    I'd be grateful for any ideas.
     
    ~Tim
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 22:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AE923BEF4; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sWa9UNDISn/keQCyTWm0AxJywPzTTMtpFkXRtEUV1Vac84mO7gZXh6f7PrxuriaZCUi/LYsf4MKHZLCr/L4VgWOZDAUQV6Gctps36ikBh8pTMBLf04rBgtpfVSQGwMMPQ3pEj119tco/HseVeUWpiN5CGaF37/bcnVbdVza7Q8k= ; Message-ID: <20060717220238.84559.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:02:38 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060717211648.36283.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-860889053-1153173758=:81633" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:02:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-860889053-1153173758=:81633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Do you know or think that I can use my Tc 2290 like you use your tonelab, before a mixer and PA, and maybe my pedals infront of the tc. Tell me, do you get a good guitarsound with the tonelab ? Rune F mark sottilaro skrev: To do this I've abandoned traditional amp setups because even those that have a stereo effects loop (rare) I still don't have the flexibility I'd like. Instead I use a Vox Tonelab SE (search the archives on my email and Vox and Bill Walker's name too) This way my signal stays a line level signal and I can bring it into a mixer and use sends to route effects or connect a seperate recorder. The whole thing is fairly simple and I find most gigs have some sort of PA I can use anyway. Lately however I'm gearing up to go guitar->Tonelab->Mixer|effects loop out-> laptop->Mixer. There may be a way to get a recording out of this setup too... Not sure if the laptop is fast enough to do all this...though I rarely record myself live. M --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Don't know if I really get what you want to do, but > I'll try: > > I guess the most simple setup to do multitrack > recording, taking into > account that you most probably already have a > sufficient computer, would be > to use a mixer with multitrack firewire interface. I > was told (but haven't > tried them myself) that the ones with the best > price/performance ratio are > the Alesis MultiMix Firewire thingies (which are > available as 8, 12 and 16 > channel variants), which also come with a Cubase LE > software. > > > ________________________________ > > Von: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Juli 2006 20:53 > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? > > > Hi ! > > Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording. > > I will try explaining with my poor english. > > I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps > fx-rute. I do > this to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my > loops and on my > guitar-leads. I do like the sound. > > What I miss: > I would like to play live, and still be able to > record the loops and > my more regular guitarplaying into different tracks > (live). I could buy more > amps... > > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go > into the loops, and > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional > guitarplaying, and maybe > still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and > sound > http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm > > What kind of setup do you guys use and why ? > > > > best regards of Rune F. > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-860889053-1153173758=:81633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Hi !
     
    Do you know or think that I can use my Tc 2290 like you use your tonelab, before a mixer and PA, and maybe my pedals infront of the tc.
    Tell me, do you get a good guitarsound with the tonelab ?
     
    Rune F
     

    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> skrev:
    To do this I've abandoned traditional amp setups
    because even those that have a stereo effects loop
    (rare) I still don't have the flexibility I'd like.

    Instead I use a Vox Tonelab SE (search the archives on
    my email and Vox and Bill Walker's name too) This way
    my signal stays a line level signal and I can bring it
    into a mixer and use sends to route effects or connect
    a seperate recorder. The whole thing is fairly simple
    and I find most gigs have some sort of PA I can use
    anyway.

    Lately however I'm gearing up to go
    guitar->Tonelab->Mixer|effects loop out->
    laptop->Mixer. There may be a way to get a recording
    out of this setup too... Not sure if the laptop is
    fast enough to do all this...though I rarely record
    myself live.

    M

    --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
    wrote:

    > Don't know if I really get what you want to do, but
    > I'll try:
    >
    > I guess the most simple setup to do multitrack
    > recording, taking into
    > account that you most probably already have a
    > sufficient computer, would be
    > to use a mixer with multitrack firewire interface. I
    > was told (but haven't
    > tried them myself) that the ones with the best
    > price/performance ratio are
    > the Alesis MultiMix Firewire thingies (which are
    > available as 8, 12 and 16
    > channel variants), which also come with a Cubase LE
    > software.
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
    >
    > Von: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no]
    > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Juli 2006 20:53
    > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
    > Betreff: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ?
    >
    >
    > Hi !
    >
    > Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording.
    >
    > I will try explaining with my poor english.
    >
    > I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps
    > fx-rute. I do
    > this to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my
    > loops and on my
    > guitar-leads. I do like the sound.
    >
    > What I miss:
    > I would like to play live, and still be able to
    > record the loops and
    > my more regular guitarplaying into different tracks
    > (live). I could buy more
    > amps...
    >
    > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ?
    >
    > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go
    > into the loops, and
    > still be abel to seperat my loops and my additional
    > guitarplaying, and maybe
    > still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and
    > sound
    > http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm
    >
    > What kind of setup do you guys use and why ?
    >
    >
    >
    > best regards of Rune F.
    >
    >
    >
    > www.runefagereng.com
    > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    > Mob: 917 95 867
    >
    >
    >


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    Mob: 917 95 867 --0-860889053-1153173758=:81633-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 22:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDAD43BEFB; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13773099-C456-4C6D-9FEC-B7AB8E484A9C@gmail.com> References: <20060717201436.67136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13773099-C456-4C6D-9FEC-B7AB8E484A9C@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:04:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Favorite soft synths... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:04:15 +0000 (UTC) At 10:37 PM +0200 7/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > >I do not like Kontakt 2 (because of NI's paranoid licensing strategies). I'll agree. This, combined with their legendarily crappy support, keeps me from actually giving any cash to NI. However, that said, Pro-5x is actually pretty nice *if* you scoot over to G-Media to get their Richard Barbieri patchbanks @ http://www.gmediamusic.com/signature/richardbarbieri.html (okay, now i'm nicked -- I used to be a big fan of Japan in a past life). Also, I've got a freeware version of Metaphysical from which I'll record odd ambiences occasionally. Likewise, I enjoy all the stuff from LinPlug (Peter Linsener rocks!). In addition to Albino, CronoX3 ( http://www.linplug.com/Products/CronoX3/cronox3.htm ) is wonderful for ambient soundscapes and space music. And their CM-505 Drum Synth (comes free with every issue of Computer Music magazine) is a great little analog drum sound module, and you sure can't beat the price. Speaking of beatboxes, Sonic Charge's MicroTonic ( http://www.soniccharge.com/products/ ) just outright bashes the heck out of most anything out there. I sometimes have to lay off using the thing because it's so full of character that it will take over a track if you're not careful. For "four on the floor" though, nothing else out there can compete. Also, for unique sounds, I love both Steinberg's now-disonctinued D'Cota (the full version; not that crappy "Lite" thing they bundle with a lot of stuff. D'Cota Lite removes all the interesting elements), and VirSyn's MiniTera ( http://www.virsyn.de/en/E_Products/E_miniTERA/e_minitera.html ). I had been using MicroTera a lot until I realized I was getting my most creative results by simply using the randomize function. While MiniTera eliminates more discrete editing, it does incorporate randomize together with more realtime controls. MiniTera also lets you use Microtonal scale tables -- standard Scala format -- as will CronoX, which I mentioned above. Finally, my standard "bread & butter" synth that I keep falling back to is, of all things, Spectrasonics Atmosphere ( http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/atmosphere.html) . The damn thing just sounds soooo good, and there always seems to be a preset that, with only minor tweeking, will fit whatever application I need it for. Never thought I'd say that about a rompler, but I love it. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 22:10:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EF213BEF4; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gyn32cnB9J0qqg3YRiSUEZSeAKj4BjT3qCmkAdkXRhHuCv7w3cJ2gQXFUkfnhmI8joZx4ptiUCwhAFR3AC5T/zzp6BdEXLCDdeggx00RXshrNaKKRBOHLR30kD0tEp2Dx1UjZKxrHWIkcbPYwt4ky2EN/KD0g7qAvbAnOa0ngCY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:10:33 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060717175603.43645.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1cTg1B.A.NKD.brAvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Mark, What Toshiba Model do you reccomend? I am definitly thinking I am going to go with a cheap PC (as opposed to macbook). All I want to use this machine for is to run Mobuis, however I do want to be able to have 8 stereo track going without completely maxing out my machine, but I dont need anything with crazy specs. Ideally I want to find a good deal on a machine used for under $650. I am leaning toward the IBM Thinkpad T40 because they seem to go for around $550 on ebay and the ram is expandable to 2GB which is one of the features I want in my PC notebook. If anyone has any suggestions for some other notebooks please let me know, I am all ears. Thanks. On 7/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > >>> Good thing is that it has a separate video memory, > >> shared memory for > >>> graphics can be problematic with audio software. > >> How do you intend to > >>> get the analog sound out of that box? I can't see > >> any spec's on an > >>> eventual PCMCIA, USB or FireWire to add a decent > >> audio converter? > > > On 17 jul 2006, at 19.56, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Yeah, I looked into this too and it's one of the > > reasons I decided against Macbooks (The "Pro" has > > video with it's own vram but the cheaper Macbooks don't) > > Yes, but users have reported that macbookd don't seem to have a > problem with the shared memory when used for audio work. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 22:51:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF0F33BEF9; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <10479810-DE16-49B4-BB7A-686FB7785A38@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:51:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3Bqe_D.A.k3E.pRBvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:51:21 +0000 (UTC) At 5:50 AM -0400 7/17/06, mark t wrote: >What about a Dell D400? I found one with 1GB of RAM for $450. Excuse >my ignorance I am a long term mac user but want to get a PC soley for >Mobuis but do not want to spend alot. thanks. Be careful with older Dells. I don't know if this is one of the affected models, but there were a couple in the past that had issues with current bleeding from the power adapter into the ports. Hence, if you used it with the power adapter, you'd wind up with crackling and popping coming through your sound card as the voltage dipped or spiked. When using it off battery power it wasn't a problem, but how long do the batteries last? Go search for "Dell" in the Laptopmozart group over on Yahoogroups, and you'll find all the details. I don't remember the models about which people were complaining, but I've stayed cautious of Dells ever since. --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 22:53:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC3283BEE6; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FD8s+De9erj5zQ3qBQaRZsAmeFtSU+FnFh6vUMG7ARnNeb+2BeDvexbZkEAzjT+7bmvse8becFc3tYYuqaT9SA7IWh7Er4kI//K7ahJ6YiDnI7g6hxsy8B0knsmJY7skBSa2C5F0nk/vigWw1+pPIJKg3hsOeUHxySbCzv9i6w4= Message-ID: <64b81a780607171553v4d4d034al6c72183d28aab4d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:53:25 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? In-Reply-To: <20060717211648.36283.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c6a77d$1980cd60$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060717211648.36283.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Mark, I'm with you on the stereo thing. A couple of years back I bought a small (150Watt) Carvin power amp and a pair of their small club speakers. Effectively the same volume as a traditional 2x12 guitar amp, but pristine sound quality and true stereo all the way through. All in the neighborhood of $500. Like you, I already had everything up to the mixer and just needed some way to get my sound out there. Works like a charm. Todd On 7/17/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > To do this I've abandoned traditional amp setups > because even those that have a stereo effects loop > (rare) I still don't have the flexibility I'd like. > > Instead I use a Vox Tonelab SE (search the archives on > my email and Vox and Bill Walker's name too) This way > my signal stays a line level signal and I can bring it > into a mixer and use sends to route effects or connect > a seperate recorder. The whole thing is fairly simple > and I find most gigs have some sort of PA I can use > anyway. > > Lately however I'm gearing up to go > guitar->Tonelab->Mixer|effects loop out-> > laptop->Mixer. There may be a way to get a recording > out of this setup too... Not sure if the laptop is > fast enough to do all this...though I rarely record > myself live. > > M > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 23:17:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7B13BEF0; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Erjrld7qg/d3PuhnPvRGaVZhMXE+1a8eky+Ag+YlIUd2wxff8Hg0S3Xshgc7PmVpEeY2D9/1gBT9f7b4J1fAV3uj6zDtaRL06W04QF+vFBBOeB1ZV/5m4aIvFtv+5WS3XmwH2qGSjkc50/dr2KHcaDbYdHjavyZzsYKZoF1orbs= ; Message-ID: <20060717231748.54642.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:17:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: Would this work for Mobuis? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-kJtpD.A.FgG.jqBvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:17:55 +0000 (UTC) I have an M100 http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=HHO&coid=-30598 My fiancee's got a thinkpad that she loves, but it's older. I tried Mobius on it but I think I was using a horrible USB interface and it wasn't working very well. I bet with the right tweak and interface it would be a killer machine. I think they have built in firewire too. M --- mark t wrote: > Mark, > > What Toshiba Model do you reccomend? > > I am definitly thinking I am going to go with a > cheap PC (as opposed > to macbook). All I want to use this machine for is > to run Mobuis, > however I do want to be able to have 8 stereo track > going without > completely maxing out my machine, but I dont need > anything with crazy > specs. Ideally I want to find a good deal on a > machine used for under > $650. > > I am leaning toward the IBM Thinkpad T40 because > they seem to go for > around $550 on ebay and the ram is expandable to 2GB > which is one of > the features I want in my PC notebook. If anyone > has any suggestions > for some other notebooks please let me know, I am > all ears. Thanks. > > > On 7/17/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > >>> Good thing is that it has a separate video > memory, > > >> shared memory for > > >>> graphics can be problematic with audio > software. > > >> How do you intend to > > >>> get the analog sound out of that box? I can't > see > > >> any spec's on an > > >>> eventual PCMCIA, USB or FireWire to add a > decent > > >> audio converter? > > > > > > On 17 jul 2006, at 19.56, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > > Yeah, I looked into this too and it's one of the > > > reasons I decided against Macbooks (The "Pro" > has > > > video with it's own vram but the cheaper > Macbooks don't) > > > > Yes, but users have reported that macbookd don't > seem to have a > > problem with the shared memory when used for audio > work. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 17 23:18:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485893BEFE; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44BB6B11.4030902@mhorse.com> References: <44BB6B11.4030902@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:18:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Howdy from Mexico Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:18:54 +0000 (UTC) At 5:48 AM -0500 7/17/06, Daryl wrote: >Greetings, all...I unsubbed from the list almost two years ago due >to travel preparations for moving from San Francisco down here to >Oaxaca, Mexico, but finally have some time to start being a social >musician again.... > >Anyone else in Mexico out there? Wow, Oaxaca! I've not gotten the pleasure of visiting there myself, but two good friends of mine from years past had expatted here to the States from Oaxaca. From their description it seemed like a beautiful place full of friendly people. Anyway, from being around the expat community there you'll probably find out that Oaxaca is also currently home to Steven Brown -- most well known for covering vocals, keyboards, and winds for the underground/cult group Tuxedomoon. From all accounts, Steven seems like a very friendly and open-minded sort, so you might be able to hook up with him if you keep an ear out. And welcome back, BTW. :) --m. -- _______ "I'm wasting time worrying about wasting time." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 00:20:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E46143BEF9; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zRXj7KFM8zEAJMNDp+e7vgTYfy2ewBz+PUIckvpl1lxGKxO868AMpEPXlPviLXUXJJgThI/0RByr1KJq16EawPSvkW66H0Ej8MIlSwQ7evyZUulVTRyCACW3XGralQ6xigFvNjYLH3C6wvR6IRpdMd5KLh3lWxREDutr7iP+fMs= ; Message-ID: <20060718002021.6122.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Howdy from Mexico To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44BB6B11.4030902@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Daryl, I am from baja but been living in Germany for the last 10 years,what a trip that u are living in that city man! i remeber my trip there 12 yrs ago,we got trapped in a bus going from the coast of puerto angel up to Oaxaca city,there was nothing but jungle and a little children school where we got tortilla coffee and bread from an indigenous and generous family,after spending a whole day trapped in the woods we decided to take a chance and walk back down through the jungle which took us about 5 hrs.before we could find a taxi to drive us back,it was one of the most exciting and misterious trip i ve been to! cheers Luis --- Daryl wrote: > Greetings, all...I unsubbed from the list almost two > years ago due to > travel preparations for moving from San Francisco > down here to Oaxaca, > Mexico, but finally have some time to start being a > social musician > again. I'm amazed at all the gear news from the past > few years - the E-H > 16-second delay reissue, their 2880, the Boss RC-20 > and RC-50, Digitech > JamMan, Looperlative, /maybe /the Repeater 2, all > the laptop stuff... > > Myself, the only equipment I have right now is a > nylon-string guitar, a > fuzzbox and a Yamaha four-track cassette player. > (Four-tracks rule! and > they loop > , > too!) On > one of my trips back to California, I scored a box > of 100 endless tapes > for ONE RED CENT (how's that for cheap media?) on > Ebay and have embarked > on a project to create a nice, self-contained loop > (as opposed to using > them interactively in performance) on each one. I've > posted a few so far > on my site - swanwelder.com - under the heading > "Repetitive Miniatures". > > I've also been working on plans for a dedicated > cassette-based looper > that has a lot more of the features found in other > loopers, like reverse > play and record, easy pitchshifting, sound-on-sound, > etc, besides some > other things that are only really available in the > analog domain. I'm > excited enough about it to want to throw some money > its way - any > electronic tweakers interested in a new project? If > I get too frustrated > with my own sloppy soldering I may want a partner... > > Besides mis-using my four-track, I've been composing > a lot of solo > pieces, and am finding I really like repetition (I > think I know where > that comes from...). In lieu of a real performance > spot, I post files to > my site as I write 'em, which it seems lot of people > are doing instead > of releasing actual albums anyway. thank heavens for > the Net, I'd be > lost (and lonely) without it here. > > I've been very, very pleased to note that the > intelligent (and civil) > nature of this list has continued, I haven't felt > like re-joining any > other group but I always really liked this lil' > community. > > Anyone else in Mexico out there? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 00:42:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605F63BF08; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zwdIhududwhVs8Pqr8RMJmJVjyiHtUChNc/VWZj5hEDQntqGOtlUsijjaT1UCsJVNEtHVQw5snCye+aXK25Xs2lTS297trphtmOgLE3PgD9OR8fNuRhrpl+Hn6hEQ64I0yRGPN7kBz7Ok+jT6xbpJcPy4WO/4Qod20PSMbn7obg= ; Message-ID: <20060718004246.20416.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c6a9cf$ff90ec50$0602a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi warren, Yes,they are neccesary i bulit this pedalboard realizing that when playing with other bands this are the effects i use the most. effect chains rules doesnt always work for me,for ex. the mojo vibe and the roto machine both considered modulation sound much better before the distortion and the delays after.I ve done what u said trying every pedal at a time and adding yet when they are all off,the signal with the effects in between instrument and amp and guitar direct results in volume decrease.If its due to the "true bypass" deal(which sometime is still unclear to my which efxs are and which arent,arent all boss ture bypass?)then it seems ill just have to live with it, unless i do get some sort of signal patchbay looper which i was trying to stay away from... Luis --- Warren Sirota wrote: > I'm sure that all of the advice about the paralleism > is good, and I don't > have the time to investigate what all of those boxes > are (and, really, are > *all* of them necessary?), but here are a couple of > general principles. > Please, anyone chime in and correct me if I'm > misguided about these: > > 1. Delays, choruses and other time-modulation > effects generally belong at > the end of the signal chain, right before the amp, > in my opinion (just think > about adding distortion post-delay - generally, it > can only produce a mess. > Pre-amps are in the same category as distortions). > > 2. More importantly, the output of each unit should > be as loud as possible > without overloading the input of the next item in > the chain (there are > probably exceptions to this). You can test for this > by building the chain up > one unit at a time, from start to end, optimizing > the level each time. > > Hope this helps. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:16 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: optimizing guitar signal through stomp > boxes > > > > > > Hi gang, > > I need some tips from those of you using lots of > pedal > > effects in optimizing a guitar signal,there is a > > significant volume difference between using my > efxs > > and pluging directly into my 50w tube amp. > > Here is my pedal board signal: > > 1.sweet sound Mojo Vibe > > 2.Line6 roto machine > > 3.boss pn2 vibrato > > 4.Ibanez ts9 > > 5.boss octave > > 6.boss dl3 > > 7.nobels preamp booster > > 8.Line6 DL4 > > 9.bossn N2 noise supressor > > all of the effects except for the DL4 are 9V and > are > > conected to the Boss N2 noise supressors send and > > return power supply(which is fed by a Ibanez 9V > 200ma > > AC adaptor)and then goes out directly to my > amp.The > > line 6 has its separate 12v AC adaptor. > > Any tips or links on how to are highly > appreciated! > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 00:59:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9027E3BF08; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s28GwUvnVahddz9+u2ReDAZpVvYoUL4Av4Vb8gmnXIF3bleHSxyEbc2r4Y9Bw9WtidfTfQG2SBL8HKZedDAQ1IqTjbCJj3WkgHdgeCOmIXZflEOYXzsWNRwQfNl/OVMzF4eF2i4UhZnnfI0Yj2rwcm0S1SwFJqkXLwOuTPM1QD4= ; Message-ID: <20060718005931.32753.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060717220238.84559.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Hard to say since I'm not all that familar with the Tc 2290. It's effects but does it have amp/cab models? That's the key. The Tonelab is great for the amp/cab models and some nice "stompbox" style effects. However for more complex and synced effects I use an MPX1 and a Boss VF-1. I think my Lexicon MPX1 may be a poor man's Tc 2290 and it's not a guitar preamp at all. Good news is there are a lot of decent guitar preamps to choose from. I happen to really like the Vox, but I have friends who swear by the Line6 products. Best bet is to visit your local store and check them out. Mark --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Do you know or think that I can use my Tc 2290 > like you use your tonelab, before a mixer and PA, > and maybe my pedals infront of the tc. > Tell me, do you get a good guitarsound with the > tonelab ? > > Rune F > > > mark sottilaro skrev: > To do this I've abandoned traditional amp setups > because even those that have a stereo effects loop > (rare) I still don't have the flexibility I'd like. > > Instead I use a Vox Tonelab SE (search the archives > on > my email and Vox and Bill Walker's name too) This > way > my signal stays a line level signal and I can bring > it > into a mixer and use sends to route effects or > connect > a seperate recorder. The whole thing is fairly > simple > and I find most gigs have some sort of PA I can use > anyway. > > Lately however I'm gearing up to go > guitar->Tonelab->Mixer|effects loop out-> > laptop->Mixer. There may be a way to get a recording > out of this setup too... Not sure if the laptop is > fast enough to do all this...though I rarely record > myself live. > > M > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > Don't know if I really get what you want to do, > but > > I'll try: > > > > I guess the most simple setup to do multitrack > > recording, taking into > > account that you most probably already have a > > sufficient computer, would be > > to use a mixer with multitrack firewire interface. > I > > was told (but haven't > > tried them myself) that the ones with the best > > price/performance ratio are > > the Alesis MultiMix Firewire thingies (which are > > available as 8, 12 and 16 > > channel variants), which also come with a Cubase > LE > > software. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Von: rune fagereng [mailto:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no] > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Juli 2006 20:53 > > An: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: what kind of gear setups to you guys use > ? > > > > > > Hi ! > > > > Gear-setup, liveplaying (PA), liverecording. > > > > I will try explaining with my poor english. > > > > I play guitar. I uses my repeater into my two amps > > fx-rute. I do > > this to get some kind of stereosound. Both on my > > loops and on my > > guitar-leads. I do like the sound. > > > > What I miss: > > I would like to play live, and still be able to > > record the loops and > > my more regular guitarplaying into different > tracks > > (live). I could buy more > > amps... > > > > Do you guys have some gear-setup tips ? > > > > I would like all my guitareffects be able to go > > into the loops, and > > still be abel to seperat my loops and my > additional > > guitarplaying, and maybe > > still have my guitarplaying in stereo. For pic and > > sound > > http://www.runefagereng.com/hobbies.htm > > > > What kind of setup do you guys use and why ? > > > > > > > > best regards of Rune F. > > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 01:20:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B981B3BED2; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BC376B.1070204@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:20:43 -0500 From: Daryl User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Howdy from Mexico References: <44BB6B11.4030902@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:20:57 +0000 (UTC) thanks mech! Yes, it is a beautiful place, under some duress right now but it will recover, Mexico's been through a lot and always rebounded...and the people are the best part. No, actually, I hadn't heard about Steven Brown being here. I'll have to start asking around, there are tons of good musicians here - especially in the brass department - but I haven't caught wind of anything at all on the more interesting/experimental tip, and I'd love to check out what he's doing now firsthand. cheers - Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > At 5:48 AM -0500 7/17/06, Daryl wrote: >> Greetings, all...I unsubbed from the list almost two years ago due to >> travel preparations for moving from San Francisco down here to >> Oaxaca, Mexico, but finally have some time to start being a social >> musician again.... >> >> Anyone else in Mexico out there? > > Wow, Oaxaca! I've not gotten the pleasure of visiting there myself, > but two good friends of mine from years past had expatted here to the > States from Oaxaca. From their description it seemed like a beautiful > place full of friendly people. > > Anyway, from being around the expat community there you'll probably > find out that Oaxaca is also currently home to Steven Brown -- most > well known for covering vocals, keyboards, and winds for the > underground/cult group Tuxedomoon. From all accounts, Steven seems > like a very friendly and open-minded sort, so you might be able to > hook up with him if you keep an ear out. > > And welcome back, BTW. :) > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 01:28:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C28393BF0F; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BC393A.9070504@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:28:26 -0500 From: Daryl User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Howdy from Mexico References: <20060718002021.6122.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060718002021.6122.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:28:40 +0000 (UTC) hey Luis, great to hear from a former resident and someone who's been to Oaxaca - I can easily picture that happening here! I make the drive to the coast as often as possible, and I'm always relieved when I make it out of those mountains. best, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hi Daryl, > I am from baja but been living in Germany for the last > 10 years,what a trip that u are living in that city > man! i remeber my trip there 12 yrs ago,we got trapped > in a bus going from the coast of puerto angel up to > Oaxaca city,there was nothing but jungle and a little > children school where we got tortilla coffee and bread > from an indigenous and generous family,after spending > a whole day trapped in the woods we decided to take a > chance and walk back down through the jungle which > took us about 5 hrs.before we could find a taxi to > drive us back,it was one of the most exciting and > misterious trip i ve been to! > cheers > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 04:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E903BEF4; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dZKjBqi43J8h5luZINn0AJQ1Uft3qQYLK3xd/dS0OZMzTCdu/Qh7Xnv9SGyXNipcJMIPib1XGJbDarKHdx7rIShRJcmdFH1l9LWr/kt6bqDuH0iiYNKK4BkK7uvurmat4p8PIeDfzSmohWG3YyVMbmlkpUiwpxzuVoN/m2w1daY= ; Message-ID: <20060718045426.38486.qmail@web55501.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP-15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-220067117212524250@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-523632682-1153198466=:38475" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:54:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-523632682-1153198466=:38475 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tim: I got a Lexicon fixed a couple years ago when another company in Utah was merging with them and recall at the time having two separate numbers, one for Lexicon customer service and then another for this Utah company that was separate and yet somehow working in conjunction with them. ??? I dug out this number - not sure if that's customer service or Utah but here it is: 1(801)566-8800. They had mine fixed and returned for free in under 48 hours but I had to go throught this other number and Utah location. ??? If that number is just the same customer service then sorry...and I feel your digital pain man... Monica Timothy Mungenast wrote: Hi Gang: I figured I'd try asking again...couldn't hurt. Do any of you know who can fix my Lexicon LXP-15? (It runs the self-diagnostics but won't load the operating system.) Lexicon won't fix it, and their go-to guy for obsolete gear (Jim Fabiano) doesn't do LXP-15s (or Jam Mans, or Vortexes, etc etc). I'd be grateful for any ideas. ~Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-523632682-1153198466=:38475 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Tim:
        I got a Lexicon fixed a couple years ago when another company in Utah
    was merging with them and recall at the time having two separate numbers,
    one for Lexicon customer service and then another for this Utah company that
    was separate and yet somehow working in conjunction with them. ???
    I dug out this number - not sure if that's customer service or Utah but here it is:
    1(801)566-8800. They had mine fixed and returned for free in under 48 hours
    but I had to go throught this other number and Utah location. ???
    If that number is just the same customer service then sorry...and I feel your
    digital pain man...
     
    Monica


    Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> wrote:
    Hi Gang:
     
    I figured I'd try asking again...couldn't hurt. Do any of you know who can fix my Lexicon LXP-15? (It runs the self-diagnostics but won't load the operating system.)  Lexicon won't fix it, and their go-to guy for obsolete gear (Jim Fabiano) doesn't do LXP-15s (or Jam Mans, or Vortexes, etc etc).
     
    I'd be grateful for any ideas.
     
    ~Tim
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

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Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --0-523632682-1153198466=:38475-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 05:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25C673BEF5; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SIyaQfU+3f/T9zL30WH377pKYTqnZ6sStHgxA+DCVt0Sbw5wtJRat1VOZ9iq8QVaSq3wCGFIZGZrArERqdu2SPdjmF+6dfbypCFzsWFQzGosjQ8CuzuX3LusEwDaTPwJovc2CGjBic5mBr6uWwRqxZwaidOomUqUw4LKpU9nWHg= ; Message-ID: <20060718050613.22781.qmail@web55510.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: BassLab/Steinberger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060717182641.79341.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-824162021-1153199173=:22105" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:06:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-824162021-1153199173=:22105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Funny you put it that way - Heiko the BassLab luthier has a masters in physics and applies that to pre-calculate and fine tune every aspect of acoustic performance - as well as pre-program custom modified tonal spectums and optimise action and energy interaction in all dimensions of the instrument. The synthetics do away with the unpredictable nature of wood's organic densities and enable the entire structure to be optimised for energy interaction. Also they are inflexible to both indoor and outdoor climate changes and the instruments never have to be set up - he even does away with the truss rod for this reason unless it's requested. mark sottilaro wrote: Yeah, that influence shows... Don't ask me why but it's what I like. Perfect blend of music and science for me. M --- Monica wrote: > Also - funny you mention Steinberger. BassLab also > builds some parts and > pre-amps for Ned Steinberger Designs. Steinberger > was Heiko's biggest influence > in building. > > mark sottilaro wrote: > Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker > Flys > look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend > on > a new guitar.... > > It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around > for some new sound or cool way of controlling it. > Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I > rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace > it. > Same with my Steinberger Q Bass. > > --- Monica wrote: > > > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars! > > http://www.basslab.de > > > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass! > > ~Tim > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Monica > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM > > Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab... > > > > > > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or > > even most - or even any - > > of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing > > from the mainstream > > guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to > > be a big breakthrough. > > Fingers crossed... > > Monica > > > > daniel stevenson wrote: > > I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog > > at > > a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out > > Monica. > > to the future, > > scary visionary > > > > --- Monica wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new > Yahoo! > > > Mail Beta. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! 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        Funny you put it that way - Heiko the BassLab luthier has a masters in physics
    and applies that to pre-calculate and fine tune every aspect of acoustic performance -
    as well as pre-program custom modified  tonal spectums and optimise action
    and energy interaction in all dimensions of the instrument. The synthetics do away
    with the unpredictable nature of wood's organic densities and enable the entire
    structure to be optimised for energy interaction. Also they are inflexible to both
    indoor and outdoor climate changes and the instruments never have to be set up -
    he even does away with the truss rod for this reason unless it's requested.

    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Yeah, that influence shows... Don't ask me why but
    it's what I like. Perfect blend of music and science
    for me.

    M

    --- Monica wrote:

    > Also - funny you mention Steinberger. BassLab also
    > builds some parts and
    > pre-amps for Ned Steinberger Designs. Steinberger
    > was Heiko's biggest influence
    > in building.
    >
    > mark sottilaro wrote:
    > Wow, they're beautiful too. They make the Parker
    > Flys
    > look like dogs. If only I had a few grand to spend
    > on
    > a new guitar....
    >
    > It's funny. With synthesis I'm always sniff'n around
    > for some new sound or cool way of controlling it.
    > Around 91 I purchased my Steinberger and I swear I
    > rarely ever get the urge to buy another or replace
    > it.
    > Same with my Steinberger Q Bass.
    >
    > --- Monica wrote:
    >
    > > Good news - BassLab also makes guitars!
    > > http://www.basslab.de
    > >
    > > Timothy Mungenast wrote:
    > > I'm loving it, and I don't even play bass!
    > > ~Tim
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: Monica
    > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    > > Sent: 7/14/2006 1:41:09 AM
    > > Subject: Re: the latest from BassLab...
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks for the Pavlovian vibes... Yes if all -or
    > > even most - or even any -
    > > of these project ideas gain acceptance and backing
    > > from the mainstream
    > > guitar and bass industry it's definitely going to
    > > be a big breakthrough.
    > > Fingers crossed...
    > > Monica
    > >
    > > daniel stevenson wrote:
    > > I'm drooling like a...what drools a lot? bull-dog
    > > at
    > > a pig roast. nice(state of the art)lookin out
    > > Monica.
    > > to the future,
    > > scary visionary
    > >
    > > --- Monica wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
    http://ghservices.com/products/basslab/lab_std-ix-dk.html
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ---------------------------------
    > > > Do you Yahoo!?
    > > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new
    > Yahoo!
    > > > Mail Beta.
    > >
    > >
    > > __________________________________________________
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Groups. --0-824162021-1153199173=:22105-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 06:49:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EAF03BEFA; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMABIgvESBT4hg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060718073736.00f50220@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:49:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #599 In-Reply-To: <20060718005932.D47F83BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060718005932.D47F83BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:49:55 +0000 (UTC) >I ve done what u said trying every >pedal at a time and adding yet when they are all >off,the signal with the effects in between instrument >and amp and guitar direct results in volume >decrease.If its due to the "true bypass" deal(which >sometime is still unclear to my which efxs are and >which arent,arent all boss ture bypass?) Is a pedal true bypass? To find out, take out the battery and see if the signal passes through when the FX is off. A true bypass is a needs more expensive type of switch, and Boss/Roland love to save pennies, so I wouldn't expect them to have true bypass as standard. My OC-2 doesn't have it, just checked with a meter. That's a lot of pedals, which means a lot of connectors, and a lot of leads. So plenty of room for problems with the leads, if you just bought them rather than making them up yourself then they could be the problem. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 10:09:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1AFA3BEFA; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:09:11 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-50 LOOP DECAY: IT WORKS!!! (DELAY FEEDBACK) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks ok, I think this news should make it to the cover page of "Looper's Delight Weekly Magazine" ;-) I was just about to write a mail on all the things I hate about the RC-50... then I decided to focus on what works instead... and look what I have discovered :-) Last night, I was jamming with the RC-50 for 2,5 hours. Then, just before I went to bed, I had an idea... so I checked again and found out: THE RC-50 IS CAPABLE OF PERFORMING LOOP DECAY (DELAY FEEDBACK)!!! So, it is really a dream come true. Just when you gave up on a lot of features (tempo shift...) - there you have it: an affordable looper around 500 bucks with three independent, great-sounding stereo loops - and capable of loop decay! You don't believe me? Listen to it yourself, I put a DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples) =========================================== http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/index.php?direction=&order=&directory=Audio_-_Looping_Examples& I've tried to make it "ambient-friendly" for you guys! ;-) So, let's walk through the demo first... EXAMPLE WALK-THROUGH (RC-50 Loop Decay Example) ==================== - What you hear first is a "static" loop (RC-50 terminology: "phrase") in PLAYBACK mode, without any loop decay. - Soon you hear a second loop that is featuring loop decay. - After a while, the first loop fades out and fades in again. - The second loop now is playing back without loop decay. - Finally, a third loop comes in with loop decay. This is all done with only a keyboard, a mixer and the RC-50 - and nothing else!! :-) So, now you wonder how it is done? Ok... THE "MAGIC" BEHIND LOOP DECAY ON RC-50 ====================================== So, what's the "magic" behind the loop decay? Before the RC-50 came out, people were speculating that FADE OUT might be useable for this. Then it turned out that FADE OUT just worked on LOOP STOP, so it was useless for a cyclic feedback. Thus, many people turned away from the RC-50... A wonderful feature on the RC-50 is the OVERDUB MODE called REPLACE. Usually, the OVERDUB MODE is set to OVERDUB. Using the OVERDUB MODE button, you can toggle between OVERDUB/REPLACE/PUNCH-IN. REPLACE basically is an "overwrite" mode, so it really replaces the old loop. However, while overwriting, it also plays back the old loop at the same time! (I know something like that is possible also with the EDP. Since I'm not so familiar with the terminology, I'd rather not quote anything). So, in order to achieve loop decay, we put the RC-50 in REPLACE mode. Then, we not only record the new loop but also mix some of the old loop to it. The amount of the old loop you re-record along with the new loop determines the feedback level. Here, it also comes handy that there are additional SUB OUTs besides the MAIN OUTs on the RC-50. To avoid feedback (not "delay" feedback but the one that makes your speakers explode ;-) you also need to make sure that the INPUTs sound is not routed back to the feedback chain. So, let's see how this works exactly... SETTING UP THE RC-50 FOR LOOP DECAY =================================== So, I'm assuming that you bring basic familiarity with gear, common sense and full responsibility for what you are doing... ;-) First of all, what do you need? You need: the RC-50, your instrument, a mixer and a bunch of cables. You ROUTE CABLES like this: - your instrument > mixer - RC-50 SUB OUTs > mixer - mixer out (or mixer sub-group-send/aux-sends) > RC-50 INPUT - (monitor your sound output according to your setup) Before you mess up anything, let's MUTE the INPUT OUTS (yes, that's how they are called in the manual: "input output", nice ;-) On the RC-50, use the USB/SYSTEM button to set the INPUT OUTs. Since I was paranoid, I've set it all to MUTE. The idea is simply to avoid a feedback chain that is getting louder and LOUDER and LOOUUUDEER and LOOOUUUDDDEEERR... If you use the SUB OUTs for the feedback chain, I guess setting INPUT OUTs to MAIN (instead of MAIN+SUB) should be ok. Try all this at your own risk!! Ok, let's now PREPARE RC-50 PATCH SETTIINGS for a nice example: - Go to an empty PATCH (patch=a set of three phrases / phrases=loops) - Set it to MULTI MODE - Turn off LOOP SYNC (unless you want all three phrases the same length...) - Turn the GUIDE VOLUME up and down again until it's really OFF - Perform the following PATCH SETTINGS: - set FADE IN time (as desired, i.e. 30) - set FADE OUT time (as desired, i.e. 100) - Perform the following PHRASE SETTINGS for each PHRASE1/2/3: - Set TEMPO SYNC ON (don't worry, just don't touch "tap tempo"!) - Set PHRASE START to FADE IN (on first try, leave on IMMEDIATE or LOOP) - Set PHRASE END to FADE OUT (on first try, leave on IMMEDIATE or LOOP) Now, press the OVERDUB MODE button until the red light for REPLACE appears. OK, RECORD your first PHRASE and go to OVERDUB. You should now be in REPLACE mode. Stay in REPLACE mode... you should experience your first loop decay with the RC-50 :-)) To ADJUST FEEDBACK LEVEL of the loop decay, play around & trim the gain level on the mixer for the RC-50 SUB OUTs. When the fader is set to "100%", the delay feedback should be 100% (no decay). Now the fader should control the feedback level properly. You can also go to PLAYBACK with your PHRASE when your satisfied (or bored ;-) with your loop decay. Then you might move to the next PHRASE. Also note that, depending on how you route your PHRASES to MAIN/SUB OUTs, the REPLACE (+feedback mix) will also record the other phrases. This might affect the overall volume mix. A nice side effect: you can use this feature also to do BOUNCE ALL TRACKS (Phrase1-3+Input) to a PHRASE. In fact, the possibilities are endless: you could RESAMPLE your loop, routing it through some additional effects... OVERALL ======= Yes, overall, there are still some really HORRIBLE bugs/features/lack thereof (barbling tempo shift, switching patches seems to have "hiccups", midi features could be better...). Nevertheless, I think this example demonstrates that the RC-50 has quite a bit of depth that still remains to be explored. OK, folks, now go out and get yourself an RC-50 - with loop decay :-)) Best regards Buzap PS: @Kim Flint/others: If it is useful to others, I would like to put this tutorial + my first review to LD web page. How should I proceed - can Kim/someone help? -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 10:53:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314A43BF00; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "Leander Reininghaus" , "CT-Collective" , "Karsten Schulze" , "Andre Wirths" , "Daniel Kreutz" , "Guido Erfen" Subject: OT welcome mcgrasrat Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:53:39 +0200 Message-ID: <006401c6aa58$6ddb9970$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaqWG0QyUw4GSrSSmmXOwDCizUhDw== Resent-Message-ID: <1oF7DD.A.H6.82LvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:53:49 +0000 (UTC) please welcome my old friend Walter Br=FChn - he just set up a myspace = page for his music. Walter is my oldest friend - we've known each other for = 37 years now, enjoying very similar musical imprints - and we've played in = a number of bands together since. Of the four tracks he presents on his = page, some are beautifully ambient and some are more experimental nu-jazz / = sound collage type pieces, even containing some political statements. Lots of listening fun. Please link him as a myspace friend if you're on myspace, = and add comments. http://www.myspace.com/mcgrasrat =20 -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 11:10:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6FA43BF05; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YGwgBA11IJh8eKmLEh2PtW/xoEQgKyGTbowciNiVyvuHplATwDlIyVeLvF7uE/tRwt5hNSINZpxubIy0ABxPuxubG4VVXe0L8RjE78xpWiUZAXjOrjhWZXv+xvUatVoXxlRt74MlEqqWlqL44pJMEtRbuhf6cnCDW/YmFfnWI34= ; Message-ID: <017e01c6aa5a$cd9a2e10$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <071720061214.8871.44BB7F37000825EE000022A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: More RC-2 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:10:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:10:42 +0000 (UTC) There's a video too on sonicstate.com. http://www.sonicstate.com/video/# Greetings from Belgium, Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: More RC-2 > Got this link to a NAMM show report - shows a better photo of the RC-2 > along with some specs. > > Sounds like it could be fun! > > http://www.zzounds.com/article/blog/post01.html > ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 11:48:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6AD33BF06; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:48:08 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <017e01c6aa5a$cd9a2e10$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Message-ID: <20060718114808.109290@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <071720061214.8871.44BB7F37000825EE000022A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <017e01c6aa5a$cd9a2e10$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Subject: Re: More RC-2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi > There's a video too on sonicstate.com. > http://www.sonicstate.com/video/# The Boss RC-2 Loop Sampler looks like a sweet little simple toy. Look at the user interface design / looks really beautiful - how much they have packed in there... Once the price is closer to 100,-EUR, I think I will get one. Put batteries in it, grab a mic and a Roland MicroCube - and start looping everywhere you go... ;-)) Sweet! Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 12:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22F73BEF4; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:42:28 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: AOT: wesome Electronic CD/DVD Set In-reply-to: <015201c6a98e$4151ae00$e701a8c0@pcfabio> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008901c6aa67$a16d3500$0602a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:40:39 +0000 (UTC) OK, this doesn't have much about looping on it, but I just got a 3-CD + DVD set of electronic music from Ellipsis Arts called OHM+: the early gurus of electronic music. I haven't explored it in full yet, but the DVD is pretty amazing, starting with a dinnertable interview with Bob Moog and an elderly, stately, gracious Clara Rockmore talking about what a genius Theremin was, followed by quite a fascinating Rockmore performance. Also included is a great video by Beryl Korot, partner to Steve Reich, an interesting but somewhat-overlong animation called The Dust Bunny, to Paul Lansky's music, a 1991 video of Paul Lansky's Lesson with Leon Theremin, and performances by Robert Ashley, Laurie Spiegel, Pauline Oliveros, Alvin Lucier, etc. This is really a historical treasure-trove. Also, it comes with a very thick booklet with extensive program notes. Warren www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 14:28:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5896C3BF00; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07ab01c6aa76$7f5927d0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:28:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07A8_01C6AA44.33BF9750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:28:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07A8_01C6AA44.33BF9750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quick update on this small project. I've been out of the picture fo the = last few weeks, but I finally updated this m3u files with your latest = submissions. This is what I have so far, 15 sound clips: #EXTINF: Per Boysen - Sweden http://www.box.net/public/static/bprq0dbv3h.mp3 #EXTINF: Rainer Straschill - M=FCnchen - Bayern http://www.box.net/public/static/u8g5d8pj7b.mp3 #EXTINF: Andy Butler - Norwich - UK http://www.box.net/public/static/q0xj2l170o.mp3 #EXTINF: Doug Wyatt - USA http://www.box.net/public/static/4ehvcpim6o.mp3 #EXTINF: Jon Wagner - Chapel Hill - North Carolina - USA http://www.box.net/public/static/kr2c0h2q5n.mp3 #EXTINF: Joshua Carroll - Texas - USA http://www.box.net/public/static/y92pvlyi0y.mp3 #EXTINF: Ra=FCl_Beniarr=E9s - CAT http://www.box.net/public/static/1udbvqs4hx.mp3 #EXTINF: Steve Burnett - Raleigh - North Carolina - USA http://www.box.net/public/static/4jf31jax22.mp3 #EXTINF: UNDO - David Kirkdorffer - Boston - USA http://www.box.net/public/static/p3s0dh7l7f.mp3 #EXTINF: Fabio Anile - Rome - Italy http://www.box.net/public/static/h07yuy4mre.mp3 #EXTINF: Ted Killian - Medford - Oregon - USA http://www.box.net/public/static/xf3umzyacx.mp3 #EXTINF: Michael Peters - Germany http://www.box.net/public/static/tzvsdsx94k.mp3 #EXTINF: Milco Montagna - Italy http://www.box.net/public/static/scsgin9kck.mp3 #EXTINF: The LD Chorus http://www.box.net/public/static/zenes07e76.mp3 #EXTINF: Tim Nelson - Portland - Oregon - USA http://www.box.net/public/static/18z3b7hgy7.mp3 All streamed here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u Keep the 30 second sound clips coming! BTW, who is The LD Chorus? Can you please identify yourself and = location? Thanks. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Let's do it!! I will create one today. Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise = Idaho USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create = a=20 >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed = via a=20 >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. >> >> Kris >=20 >=20 > YES !!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_07A8_01C6AA44.33BF9750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Quick update on this small project. = I've been out=20 of the picture fo the last few weeks, but I finally updated this m3u = files with=20 your latest submissions. This is what I have so far, 15 sound=20 clips:
     
    #EXTINF: Per Boysen - Sweden
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/bprq0dbv3h.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Rainer Straschill - M=FCnchen - Bayern
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/u8g5d8pj7b.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Andy Butler - Norwich - UK
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/q0xj2l170o.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Doug Wyatt - USA
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/4ehvcpim6o.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Jon Wagner - Chapel Hill -  North Carolina - USA
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/kr2c0h2q5n.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Joshua Carroll - Texas - USA
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/y92pvlyi0y.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Ra=FCl_Beniarr=E9s - CAT
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/1udbvqs4hx.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Steve Burnett - Raleigh - North Carolina - USA
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/4jf31jax22.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 UNDO - David Kirkdorffer - Boston - USA
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/p3s0dh7l7f.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Fabio Anile - Rome - Italy
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/h07yuy4mre.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Ted Killian - Medford - Oregon - USA
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/xf3umzyacx.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Michael Peters - Germany
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/tzvsdsx94k.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Milco Montagna - Italy
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/scsgin9kck.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 The LD Chorus
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/zenes07e76.mp3
    #EXTINF:=20 Tim Nelson - Portland - Oregon - USA
    http://www.box.n= et/public/static/18z3b7hgy7.mp3
     
    All streamed here: http://= www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u
     
    Keep the 30 second sound clips = coming!
     
    BTW, who is The LD Chorus? Can you = please identify=20 yourself and location? Thanks.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 = 10:48=20 AM
    Subject: Re: 10 year's = anniversary of=20 Looper's Delight ?

    Let's do it!!  I will create one = today.
     
    Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate = format and=20 upload them here:
     
    Login: loopersdelight
    Password: loopersdelight
     
    Title the MP3 with your name and = location, like=20 Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3
     
    Kris
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Fabio Anile" <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38=20 AM
    Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of = Looper's=20 Delight ?

    >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping = piece and we=20 create a
    >> giant collage of looping stringed together in = one MP3,=20 or streamed via a
    >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s = and=20 host the playlist.
    >>
    >> Kris
    >
    > =
    > YES=20 !!!
    >
    >
    >
    >     = ------=_NextPart_000_07A8_01C6AA44.33BF9750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 14:34:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69D343BF05; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19216403.1153233252627.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 7:34:12 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AOT: wesome Electronic CD/DVD Set Cc: Warren Sirota MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:34:18 +0000 (UTC) What?!! No Yanni cuts! -- Paul Richards ---- Warren Sirota wrote: > OK, this doesn't have much about looping on it, but I just got a 3-CD + DVD > set of electronic music from Ellipsis Arts called OHM+: the early gurus of > electronic music. I haven't explored it in full yet, but the DVD is pretty > amazing, starting with a dinnertable interview with Bob Moog and an elderly, > stately, gracious Clara Rockmore talking about what a genius Theremin was, > followed by quite a fascinating Rockmore performance. Also included is a > great video by Beryl Korot, partner to Steve Reich, an interesting but > somewhat-overlong animation called The Dust Bunny, to Paul Lansky's music, a > 1991 video of Paul Lansky's Lesson with Leon Theremin, and performances by > Robert Ashley, Laurie Spiegel, Pauline Oliveros, Alvin Lucier, etc. This is > really a historical treasure-trove. Also, it comes with a very thick booklet > with extensive program notes. > > Warren > www.warrensirota.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 14:57:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC7493BEF9; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07cb01c6aa7a$74b7c350$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland Cube 30 for Jazz Review Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:57:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:57:17 +0000 (UTC) I finally had the opportunity to hear my new Roland Cube 30 in action at my Monday night jazz trio gig yesterday, which is me on guitar, along with congas, and upright bass. I have to say, I was very suspicious that this little amp wouldn't be able to cut it because of its size, weight, and that it is all solid state. However, not only is it a real back saver, but it totally kicked ass. I was amazed at the tone and how low I had to keep the master volume to fill up the room with a full cocktail bar of people, and a full restaurant. Many times I looked down on the floor in disbelief at what I was hearing. I actually like the tone better than my Mesa Boogie Mark I, which I sold last week. Of all the amp simulations on the amp, I found the Black Panel setting is the most effective at producing a common (stereotypical based on listening to my jazz guitar CD collection) and natural jazz amp tone. I put the Gain at about 8, which produces just enough gain that when I pluck my strings hard, the tone breaks up a bit (like Scofield), but is otherwise clean. I keep the bass at about 4 , the Mid at 6, and the Treble/High at 0. Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 15:10:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E9663BEFC; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: PiNG ALERT - iMPORTANT NOTiCE Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:13:11 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c6aa7c$aee3d030$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Everyone - We're sorry to announce that all remaining=20 AMBiENT PiNG performances scheduled at the Hacienda=20 nightclub have been cancelled effective immediately. The=20 Hacienda staff were apparently confused by the 6-weeks-notice=20 we had given them the week before, of the PiNG's plan to go=20 "monthly" after August 15th and did not show up at the club=20 last Tuesday, thinking that we were changing immediately. PiNGLiST subscribers received the long-story version but - after some frank discussion amongst the PiNG organizers, we've decided that we do not wish to return to Hacienda for future PiNG events at all. The artists booked for the next month have been notified, with apologies, and we'll be looking for a new venue during our unplanned "summer holiday". We've already had some good=20 suggestions from our PiNGLiST members. Hacienda was=20 the PiNG's 6th residence in 7 years and is not planned as=20 its last - although we're looking forward to only presenting=20 about 12 concerts a year instead of 50, as we need at=20 bit more time for our own music! In the meantime, a mix of ambient, soundscape, electronic, trip hop, dream pop, drone & chill artists from both=20 our local & global communities is available 24/7=20 on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO. http://www.ambientpingradio.com Also - This Tues. July 18th at 9:30PM EST the PiNG presents=20 its first "Virtual Concert" on AMBiENT PiNG RADiO - with=20 Geek Weekend, featuring Robert Hoare (Berlin, Germany)=20 & Steven Sauv=E9 (Hamilton) who plan a set of "slightly=20 ludicrous, but wholly entertaining noises, cryptic=20 phrases and mysterious pronouncements." http://www.robhoare.de =20 http://www.karmafarm.ca Tune in Tuesday at 9:30pm EST @=20 http://www.ambientpingradio.com Join the PiNG's e-mail list at our website for the inside scoop on future developments. Virtual Cheers, Scott M2, Jamie, rik and the PiNG Crew http://www.theambientping.com http://www.ambientpingradio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 15:16:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 901A23BF00; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ds8gCvgEAgfF9jtZIkf8b37J6y7ba+XQR6g3k8rjq1JFpmcw1WEXojIrgPmRK+F3Mvo63+3LMnc2NRiftowSOM0sHiTsRy9X3PM1NbIkH3xS/q9i0kcu02B06iEuyMtNjGU3MsNdU0a+iK80bH2GsqXMz70twNaHRgXsVsa1SIw= In-Reply-To: <07cb01c6aa7a$74b7c350$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <07cb01c6aa7a$74b7c350$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3578A77F-36EF-48CE-A745-5BAE5F1BC1CF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Roland Cube 30 for Jazz Review Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:16:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:16:41 +0000 (UTC) On 18 jul 2006, at 16.57, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Roland Cube 3 Nice to hear the Cube 30 is that good. Long time a go I played with Cube 60s. They were quite nice but not up to the polytone standard regarding jazz tone. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 15:28:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA553BF0C; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07fb01c6aa7e$cbebb060$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <07cb01c6aa7a$74b7c350$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3578A77F-36EF-48CE-A745-5BAE5F1BC1CF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Roland Cube 30 for Jazz Review Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:28:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Funny that you mention the Polytone, which was my amp of choice 6 years ago. I owned three of them, all vintage models- the MegaBrute with the 15" speaker, the 103 or George Benson model with two 12" speakers, and the Teeny Brute with the 10" speaker, all with the original silver face control panels, and the black waffle speaker covers. I could kick myself for selling that Teeny Brute! Stupid, stupid, stupid. However, I think this Cube 30 is a viable competitor to the Polyone 10" amps, plus it has more tone options. I think if they had made the Cube 30 a little bit deeper, so it was more "cube like", and removed the port, it would sound more close to the Teeny Brute. The Teeny Brute was almost a perfect cube and completely sealed. I wonder if anyone has put a higher wattage speaker in the Cube 30, like an EV of JBL....or even an Eminence copy of either, which I really like. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > On 18 jul 2006, at 16.57, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Roland Cube 3 > > Nice to hear the Cube 30 is that good. Long time a go I played with Cube > 60s. They were quite nice but not up to the polytone standard regarding > jazz tone. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 15:38:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F40C3BF05; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TQMMpkOa6NLcg9ipzkldBAZ9udJE0IpchAtitK6obUylETpmhunyAeTQdj9RfT+g; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067218154222350@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Roland Cube 30 for Jazz Review Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:42:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94039e815048baec5ed2a01b0bdc9823082350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.188 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Kris. This is useful info. I am on the fence between the "head-and-cab" paradigm and the "nice-light-combo" paradigm.Your review pushes me more toward the latter. To give the former its due, I was at Mr Music in Allston, Mass., last week, and someone was test-driving a used Peavey 5150 high-gain tube amp... I was scared in a good way. All the delicious chaos of the VF-1 "5150 Lead" patch, all the wacky subharmonics on the wound strings, only it was expanded greatly compared to my VF-1. I guess that is why they call them "models"? However, the head alone is 50 pounds, and the 2x12 combo that I was drooling over was much heavier... it made an AC-30 feel like a Deluxe. Sonic joy is all well and good, but a spine is a terrible thing to waste. ;-) Light is good. Light makes right. Anyway, thanks for sharing your impressions with us. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Krispen Hartung > To: > Date: 7/18/2006 10:57:17 AM > Subject: Roland Cube 30 for Jazz Review > > I finally had the opportunity to hear my new Roland Cube 30 in action at my > Monday night jazz trio gig yesterday, which is me on guitar, along with > congas, and upright bass. I have to say, I was very suspicious that this > little amp wouldn't be able to cut it because of its size, weight, and that > it is all solid state. However, not only is it a real back saver, but it > totally kicked ass. I was amazed at the tone and how low I had to keep the > master volume to fill up the room with a full cocktail bar of people, and a > full restaurant. Many times I looked down on the floor in disbelief at what > I was hearing. I actually like the tone better than my Mesa Boogie Mark I, > which I sold last week. > > Of all the amp simulations on the amp, I found the Black Panel setting is > the most effective at producing a common (stereotypical based on listening > to my jazz guitar CD collection) and natural jazz amp tone. I put the Gain > at about 8, which produces just enough gain that when I pluck my strings > hard, the tone breaks up a bit (like Scofield), but is otherwise clean. I > keep the bass at about 4 , the Mid at 6, and the Treble/High at 0. > > Kris > > > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Looper's Delight Playlist - > http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 15:40:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0E7D3BF0E; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HalCEIlH1hSrU9rbK0GgRyrXadwaMPjz9hSGrmXyTXwNEQX/ob/lDNR/Y3Wqymwb; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067218154423840@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP-15 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:44:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fcc6a65ab9b8e7212bb0ed02f72f10b1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.188 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:40:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Your fears about the phone number are confirmed, Monica, but I really do appreciate your efforts to help me. Peace, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/18/2006 12:54:28 AM Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP-15 Tim: I got a Lexicon fixed a couple years ago when another company in Utah was merging with them and recall at the time having two separate numbers, one for Lexicon customer service and then another for this Utah company that was separate and yet somehow working in conjunction with them. ??? I dug out this number - not sure if that's customer service or Utah but here it is: 1(801)566-8800. They had mine fixed and returned for free in under 48 hours but I had to go throught this other number and Utah location. ??? If that number is just the same customer service then sorry...and I feel your digital pain man... Monica Timothy Mungenast wrote: Hi Gang: I figured I'd try asking again...couldn't hurt. Do any of you know who can fix my Lexicon LXP-15? (It runs the self-diagnostics but won't load the operating system.) Lexicon won't fix it, and their go-to guy for obsolete gear (Jim Fabiano) doesn't do LXP-15s (or Jam Mans, or Vortexes, etc etc). I'd be grateful for any ideas. ~Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    Your fears about the phone number are confirmed, Monica, but I really do appreciate your efforts to help me.
     
    Peace,
    Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Monica
    Sent: 7/18/2006 12:54:28 AM
    Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP-15

    Tim:
        I got a Lexicon fixed a couple years ago when another company in Utah
    was merging with them and recall at the time having two separate numbers,
    one for Lexicon customer service and then another for this Utah company that
    was separate and yet somehow working in conjunction with them. ???
    I dug out this number - not sure if that's customer service or Utah but here it is:
    1(801)566-8800. They had mine fixed and returned for free in under 48 hours
    but I had to go throught this other number and Utah location. ???
    If that number is just the same customer service then sorry...and I feel your
    digital pain man...
     
    Monica


    Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> wrote:
    Hi Gang:
     
    I figured I'd try asking again...couldn't hurt. Do any of you know who can fix my Lexicon LXP-15? (It runs the self-diagnostics but won't load the operating system.)  Lexicon won't fix it, and their go-to guy for obsolete gear (Jim Fabiano) doesn't do LXP-15s (or Jam Mans, or Vortexes, etc etc).
     
    I'd be grateful for any ideas.
     
    ~Tim
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

    How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.
    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 15:54:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E86ED3BF07; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:54:31 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060718155431.70320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <5d2298a795a5f27ca756aa710da7e6c8@charter.net> <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Live 6 addresses "Liveloopers and Beatboxers" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per I don't want to disappoint you.. However, I'm afraid those great Showcase statements are just some general marketing slogans for Ableton Live in general. It probably just means "hey, Kid Beyond made this thing work - so it is good for Liveloopers and Beatboxers". I don't think they'll have the midi-controllable "EDP-button" behind every clip in the near future... ;-) Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 15:58:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B963D3BF0A; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Q2+mmaBHPu13fmkzoMCWfICyDdOPhlAcW0n/1cRzZeyeUgfvvYHm4/bXUijVU7zB; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006721816231700@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:02:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94077be9647259742fad5f022f6a8d0c270350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.188 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Just to backtrack a bit on this gear thing (the sub-string about pedal order), experience has shown me that on rare occasions, modulation and delay devices can sound great BEFORE distortion. Three examples: 1. MXR flange on slow, fairly wide sweep (not Van Halen/airplane wide) in front of a dimed Rat can produce some fine "Big Country" bagpipe sounds. 2. The same flange, same setting, before a nice overdrive like my good cheap Boss SD-1, creates the Killing Joke "Love Like Blood" sound. 3. A delay before heavy overdrive can give you a wonderfully chaotic sound reminiscent of mid-'70s Crazy Horse or U2's Eleven O'Clock Tick Tock." Yours in Sound, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat > [Original Message] > From: Todd Pafford > To: > Date: 7/17/2006 6:53:27 PM > Subject: Re: what kind of gear setups to you guys use ? > > Mark, > > I'm with you on the stereo thing. A couple of years back I bought a > small (150Watt) Carvin power amp and a pair of their small club > speakers. Effectively the same volume as a traditional 2x12 guitar > amp, but pristine sound quality and true stereo all the way through. > All in the neighborhood of $500. Like you, I already had everything > up to the mixer and just needed some way to get my sound out there. > Works like a charm. > > Todd > > > On 7/17/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > To do this I've abandoned traditional amp setups > > because even those that have a stereo effects loop > > (rare) I still don't have the flexibility I'd like. > > > > Instead I use a Vox Tonelab SE (search the archives on > > my email and Vox and Bill Walker's name too) This way > > my signal stays a line level signal and I can bring it > > into a mixer and use sends to route effects or connect > > a seperate recorder. The whole thing is fairly simple > > and I find most gigs have some sort of PA I can use > > anyway. > > > > Lately however I'm gearing up to go > > guitar->Tonelab->Mixer|effects loop out-> > > laptop->Mixer. There may be a way to get a recording > > out of this setup too... Not sure if the laptop is > > fast enough to do all this...though I rarely record > > myself live. > > > > M > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 16:00:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265633BEF3; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:00:18 +0200 Message-ID: <00cb01c6aa83$4499b6c0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C6AA94.082286C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaqgSXVZipje9fWQx6MAyEz/6V/FQAAfF+g In-Reply-To: <07ab01c6aa76$7f5927d0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4YI_h.A.VzG.aWQvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:00:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C6AA94.082286C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > BTW, who is The LD Chorus? Can you please identify yourself and location? Thanks. me :-) plus a couple of AT&T artificial voices Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C6AA94.082286C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    >  BTW, who is The LD Chorus? = Can you=20 please identify yourself and location? Thanks. 
     
     
    me :-)  plus a couple of AT&T = artificial=20 voices 
     
     
    Michael
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    ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C6AA94.082286C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 16:36:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559CD3BEFE; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ik7sSgH0f7oE0xgnI7L8lPYkoGza6eiAIY+FdkmKr6fiLdMTlpRtsQzdBDtGR6MJ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006721816405230@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:40:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940be568346eb5df6c0ffade162706c8694350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.150 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:36:36 +0000 (UTC) "what is a blooperrang?" Wouldn't it be great if there were a true purpose-built Blooperrang?? Imagine a device that was designed to loop your stuff in a mischeivous way, turning your input into beautiful chaos. The mind reels!!!!!!!! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: mark t > To: > Date: 7/17/2006 4:03:58 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... > > what is a blooperrang? > > On 7/17/06, mark t wrote: > > The looper will have true > > >stereo recording, vastly improved audio specs, long record time, 6 > > >loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple loops can play synched or > > >unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such as an octave down > > >effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, metronome, etc. It > > >will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We don't have a > > >price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high standard > > >of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. > > > > > > Wow! Thats impressive, mutilple loops! Wow! > > > > On 7/17/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Stereo recording....will that include stereo input/output too? That would be > > > cool. That will make only two that can do this, right? I thought the RC50 > > > was stereo i/o as well. > > > > > > It's just amazing how much momentum the looping technology is building > > > now...both software and hardware. It's sort of exciting. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mech" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 1:36 AM > > > Subject: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... > > > > > > > > > >A few days ago, I was getting ready to head out of town for the 2006 > > > >Midwest Stick Seminar in Ann Arbor, MI ( http://www.stickfest.org ). Since > > > >I knew there would inevitably be some looping talk (and since I enjoy > > > >endorsing vendors who've been active on this list), I contacted Mike Nelson > > > >at Boomerang Music to see if I could find out any information on the status > > > >of the upcoming Rang(TM) III. > > > > > > > > Most of their reply dovetails the specs Kelly Coyle was kind enough to > > > > post here a couple months back. I just got home from Ann Arbor this > > > > evening. So, straight from the source, here's what I got back from Mike & > > > > Lynne (shared with their kind permission, of course): > > > > > > > >>We love to hear from addicted Loopers!.. and very much appreciate your > > > >>support for the Boomerang(R) Phrase Sampler. We will be releasing an > > > >>effects pedal at the summer NAMM show and following that with a new looper > > > >>around Dec 06. The looper will have true stereo recording, vastly improved > > > >>audio specs, long record time, 6 loops, multi level undo/redo, multiple > > > >>loops can play synched or unsynched, and a slew of "utility" features such > > > >>as an octave down effect for creating bass parts, auto fade out, > > > >>metronome, etc. It will be roughly half the size of the Rang(TM) Plus! We > > > >>don't have a price yet, but it will be reasonable and maintain the high > > > >>standard of quality the current Rang(TM) offers. > > > > > > > > And, after another exchange or two, this: > > > > > > > >> We're burning the candle at both ends right now. The new Rang(TM) III > > > >> will be in the $399 to $499 range I think. > > > >> We do have more Blooperangs available, so feel free to let others know > > > >> about them. We have some pro players that keep a backup Rang(TM) like > > > >> they do an extra guitar...just in case. > > > > > > > > So, it looks like the new 'Rang will be pretty darn cool, with lots of > > > > high-end features (perhaps even a few more surprises too; part of one of > > > > the messages seemed to imply there were still more goodies about which > > > > they couldn't yet say anything). I'm sure Lynne & Mike will do their best > > > > to maintain its dead simple user interface too. And all for an extremely > > > > reasonable cost, IMNSHO. > > > > > > > > As well, there do seem to be more Blooperangs in stock, if anybody wants a > > > > great deal on existing product (I seem to recall somebody was curious > > > > about that a little while back). > > > > > > > > --m. > > > > -- > > > > _______ > > > > "The revolution may be someone somewhere else..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 17:39:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4771E3BEFC; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BD1CD3.4050908@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:39:31 -0500 From: Daryl User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... References: <410-22006721816405230@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <410-22006721816405230@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080700020301070604070408" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:39:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080700020301070604070408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still waiting for these to hit the market: Bloop Station DL4 Bloopering Delay Augustus Bloop Eventide BlooporVille 2880 Super Blooper and of course the Blooperlative. One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to abuse the media, so it /really /doesn't come back like what you put into it. Here 's a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > "what is a blooperrang?" > > Wouldn't it be great if there were a true purpose-built Blooperrang?? > Imagine a device that was designed to loop your stuff in a mischeivous way, > turning your input into beautiful chaos. The mind reels!!!!!!!! > > ~Tim > --------------080700020301070604070408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still waiting for these to hit the market:

    Bloop Station
    DL4 Bloopering Delay
    Augustus Bloop
    Eventide BlooporVille
    2880 Super Blooper

    and of course the Blooperlative.

    One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to abuse the media, so it really doesn't come back like what you put into it. Here's a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity!

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    "what is a blooperrang?"

Wouldn't it be great if there were a true purpose-built Blooperrang??
Imagine a device that was designed to loop your stuff in a mischeivous way,
turning your input into beautiful chaos. The mind reels!!!!!!!!

~Tim

    --------------080700020301070604070408-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 17:45:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 688373BF01; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=A2iPUXH1R/JehH8buce0Nty0t8+qr87kRaugqXNRr3sBcrRK3pLXfe1vuvVMikD9; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9212204.1153244749462.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:45:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AOT: wesome Electronic CD/DVD Set Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48845fc7076ad6480708eb5f124b5473e3666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <9cX3vB.A.ksE.N5RvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:45:50 +0000 (UTC) damn i didnt know there was a dvd too- i got the 3cd thing when it first came out... good stuff at high volume! s -----Original Message----- >From: Warren Sirota >Sent: Jul 18, 2006 5:42 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: AOT: wesome Electronic CD/DVD Set > >OK, this doesn't have much about looping on it, but I just got a 3-CD + DVD >set of electronic music from Ellipsis Arts called OHM+: the early gurus of >electronic music. I haven't explored it in full yet, but the DVD is pretty >amazing, starting with a dinnertable interview with Bob Moog and an elderly, >stately, gracious Clara Rockmore talking about what a genius Theremin was, >followed by quite a fascinating Rockmore performance. Also included is a >great video by Beryl Korot, partner to Steve Reich, an interesting but >somewhat-overlong animation called The Dust Bunny, to Paul Lansky's music, a >1991 video of Paul Lansky's Lesson with Leon Theremin, and performances by >Robert Ashley, Laurie Spiegel, Pauline Oliveros, Alvin Lucier, etc. This is >really a historical treasure-trove. Also, it comes with a very thick booklet >with extensive program notes. > >Warren >www.warrensirota.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 18:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B2E23BF01; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:09:53 -0700 Subject: Re: AOT: wesome Electronic CD/DVD Set Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: improv@peak.org To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <9212204.1153244749462.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: <9CA2ADDE-1688-11DB-9AB9-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.285 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <22qLfD.A.yAG.0PSvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:09:57 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday, July 18, 2006, at 10:45 AM, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > damn i didnt know there was a dvd too- > i got the 3cd thing when it first came out... > good stuff at high volume! > s Just got re-issued including the DVD, and you can also get the DVD separately. Funny thing, the OHM box, on it's edge, looks like it says "WHO", my wife noticed it and wondered why I would buy a Who box set. > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Warren Sirota >> Sent: Jul 18, 2006 5:42 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: AOT: wesome Electronic CD/DVD Set >> >> OK, this doesn't have much about looping on it, but I just got a 3-CD >> + DVD >> set of electronic music from Ellipsis Arts called OHM+: the early >> gurus of >> electronic music. I haven't explored it in full yet, but the DVD is >> pretty >> amazing, starting with a dinnertable interview with Bob Moog and an >> elderly, >> stately, gracious Clara Rockmore talking about what a genius Theremin >> was, >> followed by quite a fascinating Rockmore performance. Also included >> is a >> great video by Beryl Korot, partner to Steve Reich, an interesting but >> somewhat-overlong animation called The Dust Bunny, to Paul Lansky's >> music, a >> 1991 video of Paul Lansky's Lesson with Leon Theremin, and >> performances by >> Robert Ashley, Laurie Spiegel, Pauline Oliveros, Alvin Lucier, etc. >> This is >> really a historical treasure-trove. Also, it comes with a very thick >> booklet >> with extensive program notes. >> >> Warren >> www.warrensirota.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 18:16:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0993C3BEFE; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ossqO5pjFd57cc7wZTzRr+RNNCRpSeYKuV8LnLz+HUjcAXxr0vrxwQQJX9yjkSZp3CiRdtLnXy5FfYDPYqYwYzBZKQ50O3aoODoS4/6cAJ/iR+yV87sMIhqZzcopA7zomfSpTDg/YU1RdonctXuqxBJ679GwhCzWh7/d1k5UAkM= In-Reply-To: <20060718155431.70320@gmx.net> References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <5d2298a795a5f27ca756aa710da7e6c8@charter.net> <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> <20060718155431.70320@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74DF774E-8E8E-4A2A-8414-8DEA2AF58330@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 6 addresses "Liveloopers and Beatboxers" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:16:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:16:05 +0000 (UTC) On 18 jul 2006, at 17.54, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Per > > I don't want to disappoint you.. However, I'm afraid those great > Showcase statements are just some general marketing slogans for > Ableton Live in general. Oh yes indeed! That's what I'm saying. My post was supposed to be ironical ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 18:41:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B253BEF4; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:41:06 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002a01c6aa99$bb41aec0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acapz7n3YpgpoYbQRty1+FztT8FfzAAxgDnw In-Reply-To: <000701c6a9cf$ff90ec50$0602a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: <-7NXdD.A.Du.OtSvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:41:18 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to add some kind of signal theory for what it's worth... For the order of stompbox etc. discussion, it's healthy to look at the concept of LTI devices. LTI stands for "linear, time invariant", and means (simplified) the following. Linearity: If you double your input signal, your output signal will double. If you take a mixer in front of your stompbox, use it to mix two inputs and then send it through the stompbox, its output is identical to the case where you send each input through a separate stompboxe identical to the one above and then sum the signal after the stompboxes. time invariance: If you send a certain input, you get a certain output. If you send the same input, only a certain time amount later, you get the same output as before, only the time amount later. Of course, it only makes sense to look at these values in a "normal" range. That is, if you apply an input of 1V Vpp and get a certain output, applying 10000V won't get you 10000 times your former output but most probably a little cloud of smoke... For LTI devices, the following rules apply (again simplified): * the device is completely described by its impulse response - what it outputs when you put an extremely high, extremely short spike on the input. and more importantly: * as the inpulse response can be transformed to a complex frequency chart (note that "complex" means complex numbers, i.e. amplitude and phase for each frequency), the complex frequency response also defines the behaviour of the device. And as a consequence: * the mathematical operation to describe the interaction of several chained devices in the frequency domain is scalar multiplication. As it is commutative, i.e. a*b=b*a, it doesn't matter which order the devices are in. (just a reminder - only true for LTI devices!) Now let's take a look which typical effects are linear and/or time invariant: delay: linear, time invariant EQs, filters: linear, time invariant (this is only true as long as the filter doesn't distort/reach saturation, i.e. operate in its linear range. This is mostly the case for typical mastering EQs, but not for screaming Moog filters) distortion (and thus amp modelers): time invariant dynamic effects (compressor, expander): time invariant (but wait! you'll say - there are time constants involved! Yes, but these describe a behaviour in reaction to an input signal, not a "freerunning" time constant) modulated delay: linear this includes all of your chorus, flanger and phaser effects reverb: nonlinear (most of them), time invariant (most of them). Now putting all theory aside - I firmly believe that there is no best way to chain a certain set of effects, or that there are effects orders that don't work (unless you're limited in your style to, say, playing rhythm guitar in a traditional blues band). Sure there are orders that give you more creative options and some which will turn one short note into a big atonal wash of noise (which may or may not be what you want), but apart from that - be creative! Some crazy ideas to try: delay after a gated reverb. superweird distortion (think Zvex Machine) after somewhat longer delay with medium to high feedback setting and playing short notes or sequences. eq before and after distortion. cascaded, non-synced phasers. Have fun! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 19:03:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B53013BEFC; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96a5588c3a9403cc4dee70f0c2568e93@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: david torn Subject: happy birthday, LD! Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:02:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:03:13 +0000 (UTC) happy birthday! thanks for keeping going, y'all. best, dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 19:52:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65A573BEF4; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OSOoyoXoLDt9tHghuzJR7j7dQlPTG18wnCCu0OcHsjKqeT5Y24jVhE/L8jadL1e0r/vSTJb5mysgcUI4KXlKoHAix4e5NJ8y7kvDDTrkhjjVDO6PGEX9bpl8dPzCiYcHkS5csu5tXP4ToI5+Wr/Bo96dZT2YC17hmsUevMLmKDI= ; Message-ID: <20060718195219.95488.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:52:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <07ab01c6aa76$7f5927d0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, Wrong coast; I'm in Maine, not Oregon. -t- --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > #EXTINF: Tim Nelson - Portland - Oregon - USA > http://www.box.net/public/static/18z3b7hgy7.mp3 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 20:42:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 466973BEFC; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e101c6aaaa$a2c5ebc0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060717201436.67136.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Favorite soft synths... Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:42:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <87ZD4D.A.F7E.geUvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Crystal http://www.greenoak.com/crystal/download.html is simply amazing. tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Favorite soft synths... > Hey gang... > > I'm having lots of fun with a demo version of Syrtus > and my beloved Absynth and I was wondering what other > software synths people love that are a little more > interesting and obscure. I know it's off topic, but > you guys always know the best stuff. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 20:54:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF5063BEFA; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,255,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="1402375597:sNHT22876410" Message-ID: <905787026.1153256067257.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:54:27 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: happy birthday, LD! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3dEu5B.A.PXF.FqUvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi there! Long time no hear from Mr T. Nice to know you're still checkin' in every once in a while. Please keep us abreast of what you are doing from time to time -- or at least send a notice of when you've updated or got something else new up on your website. I'd have to say most of us here are longtime fans here. Peace, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 21:39:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5426B3BF01; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <090b01c6aab2$a19ba2f0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060718195219.95488.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:39:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Whooops...I'll change that. Maine and Oregon...your two Portlands, Salem's...what else? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Hi Kris, > > Wrong coast; I'm in Maine, not Oregon. > > -t- > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >> #EXTINF: Tim Nelson - Portland - Oregon - USA >> http://www.box.net/public/static/18z3b7hgy7.mp3 > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 18 22:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D97B3BEFA; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FxiRagT+xNjuDM025QjF/Py/CaPdJv9BfaQnjDqQVxlIgEtecazIlaruW9LPW+vj3HIiWbFqQB7jPJ1QB09zid5zl2G0aN7oIOtchO7JNKefiCCEpClN5Ejl1pYp4S4XPG60YISxijp8JQKwRUmikuf8ElMSObjfUvfIJgamDZQ= ; Message-ID: <20060718223905.71762.qmail@web30001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <090b01c6aab2$a19ba2f0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Not that there's anything WRONG with the west coast. :P For one thing, it's closer to all those Loopfests! :) -t- --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Whooops...I'll change that. Maine and Oregon...your > two Portlands, > Salem's...what else? > > Kris 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 01:33:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222383BEF3; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <071720061214.8871.44BB7F37000825EE000022A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> References: <071720061214.8871.44BB7F37000825EE000022A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:20:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: More RC-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1058849668==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:33:44 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1058849668==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Does THIS one have feedback or speed control?? >Got this link to a NAMM show report - shows a better photo of the >RC-2 along with some specs. > >Sounds like it could be fun! > >http://www.zzounds.com/article/blog/post01.html -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1058849668==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: More RC-2
    Does THIS one have feedback or speed control??

    Got this link to a NAMM show report - shows a better photo of the RC-2 along with some specs.

    Sounds like it could be fun!
    http://www.zzounds.com/article/blog/post01.html


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    http://www.zmix.net
    --============_-1058849668==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 07:34:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585AF3BEFA; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <6c80094e40eb5736c37c02305a8cb2fa@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:34:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:34:43 +0000 (UTC) I just saw this, and I know there are those interested in lidell...... http://www.cycling74.com/download/videos/jamie_lidell_web.mov or http://tinyurl.com/ldgns also other interesting new videos, including Kevin Blechdom: http://www.cycling74.com/section/artists Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 07:41:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDB3F3BF07; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:41:01 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <74DF774E-8E8E-4A2A-8414-8DEA2AF58330@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060719074101.224340@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <5d2298a795a5f27ca756aa710da7e6c8@charter.net> <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> <20060718155431.70320@gmx.net> <74DF774E-8E8E-4A2A-8414-8DEA2AF58330@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Live 6 addresses "Liveloopers and Beatboxers" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Per > Oh yes indeed! That's what I'm saying. My post was supposed to be > ironical ;-) it would be a good starting point if Ableton Live would support Overdub mode (not only for midi but audio). Am I asking for too much?... ;-) Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 07:55:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BBF43BF0E; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:54:59 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20060719075459.224290@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> Subject: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Cil1D.A.B4B.WVevEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:55:02 +0000 (UTC) I thought people would be excited to see that FEEDBACK DOES WORK with the RC-50... I know this was a major disappointment at the RC-50 release and a lot of people wrote mails about it. So, when I mention that feedback DOES work, there seems to be... no feedback (pun)... I wonder if people have given up...? > You don't believe me? Listen to it yourself, I put a > > DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples) > =========================================== > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/index.php?direction=&order=&directory=Audio_-_Looping_Examples& -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 08:05:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC55E3BF16; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:05:40 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060719080540.224310@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <071720061214.8871.44BB7F37000825EE000022A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> Subject: Re: More RC-2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-FvRbB.A.hlC.VfevEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Charles > Does THIS one have feedback or speed control?? I don't think this one has neither feedback (the RC-50 CAN work with feedback control..) nor speed control. I even wonder how well all the functions will be accessible with just one pedal. On the demo video, the guy uses an external foot pedal (you can attach two). Then, you might as well stick to the RC-20XL... ;-) I guess we'll see when these things are out. Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 09:06:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7E183BF0F; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:06:33 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060719090633.49560@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <071720061214.8871.44BB7F37000825EE000022A72200751090CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> Subject: Re: More RC-2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Charles > Does THIS one have feedback or speed control?? Maybe there is still hope... I've looked at a big picture of the Boss RC-2. There is a setting called REC/PLAY/DUB with three options: Auto, Rec/Play, a note (whatever that means). If you can set REPLACE as OVERDUB MODE, just like on the RC-50, then you can have feedback control. Else, I don't think it will work. This is actually a really clever button they've built there. I'm eager to see it working.. Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 10:03:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D1AF3BF08; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 3.9 X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 431062055 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9436@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: optimizing guitar signal through stomp boxes Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:02:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AB1A.6500A0A5" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:03:03 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AB1A.6500A0A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Now putting all theory aside - I firmly believe that there is no best way to chain a certain set of effects...<< thank goodness! :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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    >>Now putting all theory aside - I firmly believe t= hat there is no best way to chain a certain set of effects...<<

    thank goodness! :-)

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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AB1A.6500A0A5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 10:43:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21E493BF06; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001b01c6ab20$1969dff0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060718195219.95488.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:42:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Might I put forth that it might be a good idea to use some kind of streaming-conference software to enable those of us who can't get to the area to participate in the LD Anniversary show? Hell, I'd stay up to 5am to play for that... From: "Tim Nelson" > Wrong coast; I'm in Maine, not Oregon. > > -t- > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >> #EXTINF: Tim Nelson - Portland - Oregon - USA >> http://www.box.net/public/static/18z3b7hgy7.mp3 > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 13:44:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBFCF3BEF4; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:45:31 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: RC-50 LOOP DECAY: IT WORKS!!! (DELAY FEEDBACK) To: Buzap Buzap , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002301c6ab39$a40ae1e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:44:36 +0000 (UTC) > ok, I think this news should make it to the cover page of "Looper's Delight Weekly Magazine" ;-) You da cover boy! > DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples) > =========================================== > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/index.php?direction=&order=&directory=Audio_-_Looping_Examples& > I've tried to make it "ambient-friendly" for you guys! ;-) I am so eager to hear this, but for some reason my Real One player won't play it. Anyone else having a problem with this clip? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 14:30:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D28543BEE7; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060719075459.224290@gmx.net> References: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> <20060719075459.224290@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:24:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Seriously, that workaround is as arcane as roland's O/S is to begin with. It hasn't changed my mind about the flawwed RC-50... >I thought people would be excited to see that FEEDBACK DOES WORK >with the RC-50... >I know this was a major disappointment at the RC-50 release and a >lot of people wrote mails about it. So, when I mention that feedback >DOES work, there seems to be... no feedback (pun)... >I wonder if people have given up...? > >> You don't believe me? Listen to it yourself, I put a >> >> DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples) >> =========================================== >> >>http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/index.php?direction=&order=&directory=Audio_-_Looping_Examples& > >-- > > >"Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... >Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 15:00:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1C803BEE2; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09b901c6ab43$ff581900$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060718195219.95488.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001b01c6ab20$1969dff0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:59:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone recommend a free service that will allow someone to stream a webcam and have multiple users watch? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:42 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Might I put forth that it might be a good idea to use some kind of > streaming-conference software to enable those of us who can't get to the > area to participate in the LD Anniversary show? Hell, I'd stay up to 5am > to play for that... > > From: "Tim Nelson" >> Wrong coast; I'm in Maine, not Oregon. >> >> -t- >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >>> #EXTINF: Tim Nelson - Portland - Oregon - USA >>> http://www.box.net/public/static/18z3b7hgy7.mp3 >> >> >> >> 'Rantai' CD: >> 'Mesh' CD: >> Chain Tape Collective: >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 15:14:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E07623BF02; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:14:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060719075459.224290@gmx.net> Thread-Index: AcarCKhmKzExvE3rQQ6tynJVy0e+WgAPSu/g Message-Id: <20060719151457.DQL8537.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:14:59 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] Quite a workaround--why not get a Looperlative and a MIDI pedal? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 15:17:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E6D3BF05; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:17:36 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c6ab46$77fc6d50$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001b01c6ab20$1969dff0$0207a8c0@eluk1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcarICezvhAdEZWsSOm2+lnIYxPiSgAJjbTg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:17:45 +0000 (UTC) The short answer to this is: it's being discussed, yes... > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2006 12:43 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >=20 > Might I put forth that it might be a good idea to use some=20 > kind of streaming-conference software to enable those of us=20 > who can't get to the area to participate in the LD=20 > Anniversary show? Hell, I'd stay up to 5am to play for that... >=20 > From: "Tim Nelson" > > Wrong coast; I'm in Maine, not Oregon. > > > > -t- > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > >> #EXTINF: Tim Nelson - Portland - Oregon - USA > >> http://www.box.net/public/static/18z3b7hgy7.mp3 > > > > > > > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD:=20 > > Chain Tape Collective:=20 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 15:24:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FE813BEF5; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <30092625.1153322641768.JavaMail.root@web13> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 8:24:01 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Cc: Gary Lehmann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-MBYQ.A.GZB.X6kvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Why? About $800 reasons! -- Paul Richards ---- Gary Lehmann wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] > Quite a workaround--why not get a Looperlative and a MIDI pedal? > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 15:52:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD7A3BF01; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:52:22 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060719155222.181570@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> <20060719075459.224290@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi Charles & others Well, I just figured out that my initial approach was way too complicated. It's actually MUCH simpler, there we go: - Keep your regular setup (NO sub outs needed!) - MUTE all INPUT on the RC-50 (in SYSTEM/USB) - Switch OVERDUB MODE to REPLACE - Send your instrument AND the RC-50 MAIN OUT to the RC-50 INPUT (use your mixer) That's it! You can adjust feedback by the amount of the original signal you send back to the RC-50. I'm very with this setup now. At the moment, there is no reason for me to move to Looperlative or any other gear. There is already a lot you can do with 3 stereo loops. I'd like to exploit that first. best regards Buzap > >> DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples) -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 16:11:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0F033BEFA; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HhnX2yGy59Tze5J3O/PZJC+beX2CqfIdLGxxo9jpwOpX1xHO7JcF1UJoBZK9AjvE; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067319161610860@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: happy birthday, LD! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:16:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407865fc18ae4b51127b9656b80aa1953c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Herr Torn! It's Wonderful to have you join us! I enjoyed your recent Guitar Player interview... I've been a big fan since "Best Laid Plans." (You kicked ass when I saw you with B.L.U.E. in Cambridge, Mass. Great oud playing, among other things.) Yours in Tripping Over God, Tim Mungenast www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: david torn > To: > Date: 7/18/2006 3:03:13 PM > Subject: happy birthday, LD! > > happy birthday! > thanks for keeping going, y'all. > best, > dt / spltrcl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 16:12:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08CDA3BEF4; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BE59FB.7010300@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:12:43 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: happy birthday, LD! References: <905787026.1153256067257.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> In-Reply-To: <905787026.1153256067257.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050101020409010304090303" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:12:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050101020409010304090303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking from one longtime fan (since "cloud about mercury", '87), Mr.Torn has a new record coming out on ECM soon, there's a blurb plus a link to some samples on his site . Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Long time no hear from Mr T. Nice to know you're still checkin' in every once in a while. > Please keep us abreast of what you are doing from time to time -- or at least send a > notice of when you've updated or got something else new up on your website. I'd have > to say most of us here are longtime fans here. > > Peace, > > Ted Killian --------------050101020409010304090303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking from one longtime fan (since "cloud about mercury", '87), Mr.Torn has a new record coming out on ECM soon, there's a blurb plus a link to some samples on his site.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    Long time no hear from Mr T. Nice to know you're still checkin' in every once in a while.
Please keep us abreast of what you are doing from time to time -- or at least send a 
notice of when you've updated or got something else new up on your website. I'd have 
to say most of us here are longtime fans here.

Peace,

Ted Killian
    --------------050101020409010304090303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 16:17:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B02B3BEFB; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Live Lite 5 (RC-50 FEEDBACK is possible) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:16:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <30092625.1153322641768.JavaMail.root@web13> Thread-Index: AcarR3KUQhc+V6ooSCKahkMYSc7DTQABuosg Message-Id: <20060719161658.FNLY18458.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah, dollars . . . I do not own a Looperlative, that's probably why . . . Just installed Live Lite 5 on the old laptop tho--is this crippleware, can I do most Live things with this? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paul Richards [mailto:paulrichard10@adelphia.net] Why? About $800 reasons! -- Paul Richards > Quite a workaround--why not get a Looperlative and a MIDI pedal? > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 16:18:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A023BEFE; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZQ4QS2Q08XQXpCuuFzs9xORl/JtTbr2aMun7073TYHaFk0Ju979s/NtpnmNqdoFa; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067319162254780@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:22:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407637d67ae55aaf716e218cdee1f330a8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:18:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII That is one fine loop, Daryl, and well worth the 15 minute connection time ;-) Seriously, you have proven why tape still has merit, especially among sound-manglers. ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/18/2006 1:39:43 PM Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... I'm still waiting for these to hit the market: Bloop Station DL4 Bloopering Delay Augustus Bloop Eventide BlooporVille 2880 Super Blooper and of course the Blooperlative. One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to abuse the media, so it really doesn't come back like what you put into it. Here's a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com "what is a blooperrang?" Wouldn't it be great if there were a true purpose-built Blooperrang?? Imagine a device that was designed to loop your stuff in a mischeivous way, turning your input into beautiful chaos. The mind reels!!!!!!!! ~Tim ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    That is one fine loop, Daryl, and well worth the 15 minute connection time ;-)
    Seriously, you have proven why tape still has merit, especially among sound-manglers.
    ~Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Daryl
    Sent: 7/18/2006 1:39:43 PM
    Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update...

    I'm still waiting for these to hit the market:

    Bloop Station
    DL4 Bloopering Delay
    Augustus Bloop
    Eventide BlooporVille
    2880 Super Blooper

    and of course the Blooperlative.

    One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to abuse the media, so it really doesn't come back like what you put into it. Here's a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity!

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    "what is a blooperrang?"

Wouldn't it be great if there were a true purpose-built Blooperrang??
Imagine a device that was designed to loop your stuff in a mischeivous way,
turning your input into beautiful chaos. The mind reels!!!!!!!!

~Tim

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 16:29:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 667363BEFE; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAJr5vUSBT4hg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060719172458.01ae80c0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:29:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS In-Reply-To: <20060719161836.3FAA53BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060719161836.3FAA53BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-FKvxB.A.2JE.C4lvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:29:54 +0000 (UTC) >I thought people would be excited to see that FEEDBACK DOES WORK >with the RC-50... >I know this was a major disappointment at the RC-50 release and a >lot of people wrote mails about it. So, when I mention that feedback >DOES work, there seems to be... no feedback (pun)... >I wonder if people have given up...? glad you got that working. The method you're using was suggested here a while back, ..so those that are interested know already. I suggest that to get your review and this technique put on LD you should email Kim directly. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 16:38:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15F133BF16; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KABX8vUSBT4hjLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060719173650.01aee708@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:38:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <20060719161836.3FAA53BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060719161836.3FAA53BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:38:40 +0000 (UTC) At 17:18 19/07/2006, you wrote: >Can anyone recommend a free service that will allow someone to >stream a webcam and have multiple users watch? > >Kris Skype has conferencing, and webcam, and is free ( they charge to call outside of the Skype network, so they can afford it) ...but I don't know if you get all 3 of the above at the same time. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 16:43:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F583BF06; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BE613A.6050402@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:43:38 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! References: <410-220067319162254780@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <410-220067319162254780@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030305060302010805010306" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:43:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030305060302010805010306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Tim, thanks a lot! and tx for putting in the wait....geez...is my mp3 a tad porky..? or are u on dial-up? that's a painful linger-to-noise ratio... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > That is one fine loop, Daryl, and well worth the 15 minute connection > time ;-) > Seriously, you have proven why tape still has merit, especially among > sound-manglers. > ~Tim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Daryl > *To: *Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* 7/18/2006 1:39:43 PM > *Subject:* Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang > Update... > > I'm still waiting for these to hit the market: > > Bloop Station > DL4 Bloopering Delay > Augustus Bloop > Eventide BlooporVille > 2880 Super Blooper > > and of course the Blooperlative. > > One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to > abuse the media, so it /really /doesn't come back like what you > put into it. Here > 's > a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it > back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity! > --------------030305060302010805010306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Tim, thanks a lot! and tx for putting in the wait....geez...is my mp3 a tad porky..? or are u on dial-up? that's a painful linger-to-noise ratio...

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    That is one fine loop, Daryl, and well worth the 15 minute connection time ;-)
    Seriously, you have proven why tape still has merit, especially among sound-manglers.
    ~Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Daryl
    Sent: 7/18/2006 1:39:43 PM
    Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update...

    I'm still waiting for these to hit the market:

    Bloop Station
    DL4 Bloopering Delay
    Augustus Bloop
    Eventide BlooporVille
    2880 Super Blooper

    and of course the Blooperlative.

    One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to abuse the media, so it really doesn't come back like what you put into it. Here's a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity!

    --------------030305060302010805010306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 17:01:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9CD53BEFB; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:01:23 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 19th July 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 19th July 06 ============================= Tapio Kotkavuori / Terra Hyperborea (Some Place Else) Diskore / 2004 European Tour Mix (Darkmatter Soundsystem) TIMECONTROL / Live at Bayside (electr-ohm) V.A. / 90% WASSER ARTISTS PLAY... (90 PERCENT WASSER) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 17:27:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91F483BEFC; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZC8K82tzpdQjzK5asVeZlbYCg0pZfp7GiQn6Ft3+Kxi//vualtZFLTk2NFVX76cK+TmffOBflvzOVj2u5wR11zHF1YY5whLjPPKckI0CL/3Xr2d5Ms2tQs8uqv4O67zcohu9tk32oac9adHIDi/8tr+2qmXxWu1G+44JmPfpnek= Message-ID: <588ce11d0607191027i59b37fas7c8626f6043191cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:27:57 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Lite 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:27:59 +0000 (UTC) There's a few threads on this at the ableton forum: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40239&highlight=maudio+lite >From what I gather: Ableton Live Lite 5 gives you four audio tracks and four MIDI tracks. Live Lite 5 does not include compressed audio support, and limits you to 2 live instruments and one VST (you might be able to get around this with somethling like Chainer or EnergyXT). Actually, IMHO, Live Lite 5 is a lot better than most bundled software. BTW, I think only M-Audio bundles Live Lite 5. The version that came with my Line6 toneport was 4 and seemed even more limited. On 7/19/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Oh yeah, dollars . . . > I do not own a Looperlative, that's probably why . . . > Just installed Live Lite 5 on the old laptop tho--is this crippleware, can I > do most Live things with this? > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Richards [mailto:paulrichard10@adelphia.net] > > Why? About $800 reasons! > -- > Paul Richards > > > Quite a workaround--why not get a Looperlative and a MIDI pedal? > > Gary > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 17:42:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4BF3BF07; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=d/c2ckCReglQMgB9tCOg1xXBE3P60+ygLS/o66PxubU4Jok6NtIyVhXPOWe9J6PF; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067319174634640@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:46:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94038892f614daed678f3670e3650d40cb5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.62 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:42:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII That's dial-up for ya... I'd switch to braodband but I am loathe to leave Earthlink's excellent functionality (HA HA!) and expert tech help (HA HA HA HA HA ....excuse me, I just blew a blood vessel from laughing too hard... ;-) Peace, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl Shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/19/2006 12:43:54 PM Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! hey Tim, thanks a lot! and tx for putting in the wait....geez...is my mp3 a tad porky..? or are u on dial-up? that's a painful linger-to-noise ratio... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com That is one fine loop, Daryl, and well worth the 15 minute connection time ;-) Seriously, you have proven why tape still has merit, especially among sound-manglers. ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/18/2006 1:39:43 PM Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update... I'm still waiting for these to hit the market: Bloop Station DL4 Bloopering Delay Augustus Bloop Eventide BlooporVille 2880 Super Blooper and of course the Blooperlative. One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to abuse the media, so it really doesn't come back like what you put into it. Here's a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity! ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    That's dial-up for ya... I'd switch to braodband but I am loathe to leave Earthlink's excellent functionality (HA HA!) and expert tech help (HA HA HA HA HA ....excuse me, I just blew a blood vessel from laughing too hard... ;-)
     
    Peace,
    Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: 7/19/2006 12:43:54 PM
    Subject: Re: the Blooperrang!

    hey Tim, thanks a lot! and tx for putting in the wait....geez...is my mp3 a tad porky..? or are u on dial-up? that's a painful linger-to-noise ratio...

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    That is one fine loop, Daryl, and well worth the 15 minute connection time ;-)
    Seriously, you have proven why tape still has merit, especially among sound-manglers.
    ~Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Daryl
    Sent: 7/18/2006 1:39:43 PM
    Subject: Re: the Blooperrang! Re: New Boomerang and Blooperang Update...

    I'm still waiting for these to hit the market:

    Bloop Station
    DL4 Bloopering Delay
    Augustus Bloop
    Eventide BlooporVille
    2880 Super Blooper

    and of course the Blooperlative.

    One of the things I love about looping w/ tape is being able to abuse the media, so it really doesn't come back like what you put into it. Here's a loop I made with a tape I wrinkled by hand before putting it back in the case...great fun! Zero fidelity!

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 17:45:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 318913BF05; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:45:40 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060719172458.01ae80c0@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060719174540.305210@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060719161836.3FAA53BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060719172458.01ae80c0@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7DmQ1B.A.hoH.F_mvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy > The method you're using was suggested here a while back, > ..so those that are interested know already. Really? Must have missed that one. For me, when I found out, it was like discovering electricity/America/penicillin... ;-) > I suggest that to get your review and this technique put on LD you > should email Kim directly. Ok, I will. I have already put together some "getting started" infos with useful settings. Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 18:26:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 081393BEFC; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3ULRou3NaNVQw3c7pzhNwrMFvGGxLkxRToYZUZ9DDlr3+3wP+x/dvHzx5GjN9kwcDJqt79mYHtwlOVHNE7IlF2vxcHwDj+QmcRhQHlEik3cx/gSGbpP4xFtaRU9u15UljLu4Q03FytKW/M04qXimzeB5c+RKObV3dBZJlcw0Ey8= ; Message-ID: <20060719182646.39381.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:26:48 +0000 (UTC) I agree. As much as I wanted to love the RC-20 for it's form factor alone, I want to find someone at Roland and punch them for not bothering to include what a lot of people consider base functionality. Really at this point why bother monkeying around with the RC-20 when a used Repeater can be purchased with is's own flawed OS? ;) The quirky Repeater still seems to be a better product than the RC-20 from what I can see. If you really need something on the floor you're probably better off with an Electro-Harmonix 2880, no? --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > Seriously, that workaround is as arcane as roland's > O/S is to begin > with. It hasn't changed my mind about the flawwed > RC-50... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 18:43:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E72283BEFA; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Live Lite 5 upgrade Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:43:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0607191027i59b37fas7c8626f6043191cd@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcarWLPhgsuFphtCRMadjg3kqsKkygACijpw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060719184353.UEJX985.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:43:58 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] Actually, IMHO, Live Lite 5 is a lot better than most bundled software. BTW, I think only M-Audio bundles Live Lite 5. The version that came with my Line6 toneport was 4 and seemed even more limited. ---->I was able to upgrade 4 at the Ableton site--check that out-- Sounds like I got a bargain--I snagged a M-Audio Solo on eBay based on Mark Sottilaro's recommendation, and the software came with it-- Too many options, not enough time--thanks again to all. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 18:50:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 795813BF00; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <33289836.1153334999032.JavaMail.root@web13> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:49:59 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:50:00 +0000 (UTC) //Really at this point why bother monkeying around with the RC-20 when a used Repeater can be purchased with is's own flawed OS?// It's the RC-50 I believe you're referring to? A disadvantage of using the Repeater is that of its hardware reliability, IMHO compared to the RC-50. Also, the RC-50 doesn't need a Behringer MIDI pedal (and the programming) needed to control it. The argument about feedback seems to be like someone complaining that a automobile is useless because it doesn't have a truckbed. So what? Many folks don't need a truckbed (or feedback). -- Paul Richards ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > I agree. As much as I wanted to love the RC-20 for > it's form factor alone, I want to find someone at > Roland and punch them for not bothering to include > what a lot of people consider base functionality. > > Really at this point why bother monkeying around with > the RC-20 when a used Repeater can be purchased with > is's own flawed OS? ;) The quirky Repeater still > seems to be a better product than the RC-20 from what > I can see. If you really need something on the floor > you're probably better off with an Electro-Harmonix > 2880, no? > > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > > > > > Seriously, that workaround is as arcane as roland's > > O/S is to begin > > with. It hasn't changed my mind about the flawwed > > RC-50... > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 19:55:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 059CC3BEF9; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33289836.1153334999032.JavaMail.root@web13> References: <33289836.1153334999032.JavaMail.root@web13> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:55:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:55:52 +0000 (UTC) At 11:49 AM -0700 7/19/06, Paul Richards wrote: > >The argument about feedback seems to be like someone complaining >that a automobile is useless because it doesn't have a truckbed. Actually, I'd liken it more to a car that doesn't have seats: It'll drive and it'll get you where you need to go, but the ride may not be comfortable. >So what? Many folks don't need a truckbed (or feedback). And, for some of us, it's a baseline requirement and non-negotiable -- just as Mark pointed out. To each his own... Being patient 'til December here, and maybe <*crossing fingers*> the new 'Rang will make all this a moot argument. --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 20:04:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85C753BEFC; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13946824.1153339438927.JavaMail.root@web13> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:03:58 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Cc: mech MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3U0nKB.A.OEG.wApvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:04:00 +0000 (UTC) //Actually, I'd liken it more to a car that doesn't have seats: It'll drive and it'll get you where you need to go, but the ride may not be comfortable. // That's plain silly. Maybe like a car that doesn't have fold-down back seat. Sounds like some folks have a hard-on for Boss/Roland. The RC-50 is an amazing product for $500 USD. A few years ago and you'd be lucky to touch anything with that much capability for 5 big ones. -- Paul Richards ---- mech wrote: > At 11:49 AM -0700 7/19/06, Paul Richards wrote: > > > >The argument about feedback seems to be like someone complaining > >that a automobile is useless because it doesn't have a truckbed. > > Actually, I'd liken it more to a car that doesn't have seats: It'll > drive and it'll get you where you need to go, but the ride may not be > comfortable. > > >So what? Many folks don't need a truckbed (or feedback). > > And, for some of us, it's a baseline requirement and non-negotiable > -- just as Mark pointed out. To each his own... > > Being patient 'til December here, and maybe <*crossing fingers*> the > new 'Rang will make all this a moot argument. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk > librarian who won't shut up..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 20:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B72C23BF02; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SSi3AMQSKL/yj1TtVMq6A/TFjzWVSTGkEANbbuqMppYFAPrBLI7C0K7mDI7hviBZr0hA0jmUNanHA73UBdO5FyO5eqfrwaMX8nAWqf/FpQOPiAMpr/P/lcJ9a+9K2NgrYOmYZ4uqeDHOMjUEWFD6waOh2lCvNYIYx58dAS/0fS8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6c80094e40eb5736c37c02305a8cb2fa@pfmentum.com> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> <6c80094e40eb5736c37c02305a8cb2fa@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9BDDA7E2-79D0-4AF3-ADE5-76399B8E9C6B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:06:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:06:52 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jul 2006, at 09.34, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I just saw this, and I know there are those interested in lidell...... > http://www.cycling74.com/download/videos/jamie_lidell_web.mov > or > http://tinyurl.com/ldgns > also other interesting new videos, including Kevin Blechdom: > http://www.cycling74.com/section/artists Thank you for that link! Very interesting to hear his take on max. =20 Right now I'm in that situation he describes in the opening scene: =20 having kept Max on my shopping list for years but never actually had =20 the option to set aside time to get into it. And lately I've found =20 ways to tweak M=F6bius into doing most of my dream tricks, almost =20 everything I wanted to make me a max patch for, so I guess might be =20 learning max on spare time in the future... eventually. I'm lazy and =20 frightened by having to sit down and program (instead of making =20 music) and I have a certain feeling that before I have even come =20 halfway with Max Jeff Larsson would have fully implemented a similar =20 function in Mobius ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 20:13:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B906B3BF07; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=c4gEVr+TkB5q7lhtIJnBdcvv7YJEhOAAxmK2dmrzxh0MxrlIdyT+JZsOYu2UQptMfB3f3WofZX2jUVIllAUs4TAzrc85uBKNpoS+3Gi3cGgZ69fXChXcqad0QpNuT6o0w8Ugg+sOIF/eJ8Rp/9Py/r4F5kzYiKbSq3gBJ8HPWUg= In-Reply-To: <20060719074101.224340@gmx.net> References: <022c01c6a72f$d8d13a90$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <010201c6a987$f6d940f0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <5d2298a795a5f27ca756aa710da7e6c8@charter.net> <705BF8F0-9AB7-41EE-966F-79584690F1C9@gmail.com> <20060718155431.70320@gmx.net> <74DF774E-8E8E-4A2A-8414-8DEA2AF58330@gmail.com> <20060719074101.224340@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live 6 addresses "Liveloopers and Beatboxers" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:13:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:13:09 +0000 (UTC) > Per >> Oh yes indeed! That's what I'm saying. My post was supposed to be >> ironical ;-) > On 19 jul 2006, at 09.41, Buzap Buzap wrote: > it would be a good starting point if Ableton Live would support > Overdub mode (not only for midi but audio). Am I asking for too > much?... ;-) Yes, that's sadly too much asked. We have had that discussion in the Live community since Live 4 and the only progress it has generated so far is a little automizable "F" (Freeze audio loop) on the built-in Ping Pong Delay plugin. By using that you can do overdub layering style looping of up to two bar loops. IMHO you can have a lot more fun with looping in Live by using the third party plug-in Augustus Loop from Expert Sleepers. Or Mobius, if you like the EDP context. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 20:20:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D215C3BF12; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44BE941D.6040104@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:20:45 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060702202458.048ab900@loopers-delight.com> <002001c69e83$ea4d0ba0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <002601c69e9d$d4900460$d8b85545@Biffoz> <001201c69ea5$27c9b200$0400000a@mini> In-Reply-To: <001201c69ea5$27c9b200$0400000a@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:20:33 +0000 (UTC) mmmhhh... november 99, when I was going crazy for Gibson not returning my edp.... It took 7 months ! Happy birtyhday everyone ! my best, Luca www.unguitar.com * To: * <>From: "Formentini" > * Subject: R: Digital Echoplex * Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:19:55 +0100 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi, this is Luca from Italy. Please keep me informed about pricing of one of your echoplexes. I already have one, but it is lost in Gibson hands for repair, so I would like to keep a spare. Thanks, Luca. Claude Voit wrote: > message 153 10 Jul 1997 > http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199707/msg00153.html > > please show some respect > > ;=) > > Claude > > > >> I showed up in September '97... >> >>> From: "Stephen Goodman" >>> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> >> >> >>> I didn't get here until March '97... >> >> >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 21:48:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCDE53BF0A; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZyB38jNuU1/oCpwF0erbjeE1mOgWF5g4u29QOsCqm3Nwe48c59HWQhlROi44Niix1vpFoMK45Ygdb4lzKUS9VwPEuITikyyuiwJQmEvFO0F/GNZyW2U7Urt9XwWxjcfWZ6xMfoEE+yrMDs0Vfnm7ATIgHkUdjRoL7C7493Nie58= ; Message-ID: <20060719214842.26759.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <33289836.1153334999032.JavaMail.root@web13> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC) --- Paul Richards wrote: > > It's the RC-50 I believe you're referring to? Yes, my bad. > A disadvantage of using the Repeater is that of its > hardware reliability, IMHO compared to the RC-50. Hardware reliability? I've owned 2 Repeaters, a mo-fx and a warpfactory and never had a single hardware failure. I've heard people complain about software glitches in the Repeater, but it seemed to me that all the Electrix stuff was pretty damn solid. > Also, the RC-50 doesn't need a Behringer MIDI pedal > (and the programming) needed to control it. That is true indeed. Would be best to have it all on the floor if possible. > The argument about feedback seems to be like someone > complaining that a automobile is useless because it > doesn't have a truckbed. So what? Many folks don't > need a truckbed (or feedback). > -- Here's my thoughts on that: People who think they don't need feedback control on their looper don't know what they're missing. My guess is if they spent some quality time with a looper that has it they'd never go back. I could be wrong. The ability to do both totally rocks my world. I've set up Mobius to give me 1 track where I put 1-4 loops. Mostly I toggle between them with feedback on 100% or build them with feedback <100% but set it to 100% when I get it the way I want it. Then I build a second stereo track with feedback permanently set <100%. I'll open and close that one from time to time keeping that plate "spinning" while I toggle between my first track loops. Sorry to dis your RC-50. Frankly I love a lot of Roland and Boss products. I hear people yell at them for having too much compression on their ROM waveforms in their ROMplers, but I still find my ears love the sound of my XV-5050. The Boss VF-1 has become one of my favorite processors and the Boss DD-20 Giga delay is one of my all time favorite loopers... so I *know* they can do a looper like I like it... they just didn't this time. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 22:03:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33163BF06; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JYuqWQTyrLnZ7RLjBOEinDxHIJXjcZPg3nTtubkGrCcP/hWsmAGBAHtysYtEhRUpk2UL0bOVsGLKxDZYpK7rx6PRKf4CXrwfbrGn6zNSwoac8TDX77kkXhJGArWEgxKmuUtG02L56/8uueTVoitYFYhbDR65RBzYXkm9F57gFWE= ; Message-ID: <20060719220357.53170.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Live Lite 5 upgrade To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060719184353.UEJX985.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:03:58 +0000 (UTC) --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > Sounds like I got a bargain--I snagged a M-Audio > Solo on eBay based on Mark > Sottilaro's recommendation, and the software came > with it-- Yeah, it seems like a hell of a deal. The Firewire Solo set me back $199 but came with Live Lite. I was able to upgrade to a full version of live for $250. Regular cost is $399 so it was like getting my audio interface for $50. > > Too many options, not enough time--thanks again to > all. > Gary > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 22:29:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBE973BF10; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005501c6ab82$dda5da10$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060719214842.26759.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:29:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <5BWdqB.A.bgD.nJrvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:29:59 +0000 (UTC) //Hardware reliability// I was thinking more if the thing DID break. How difficult would it be to have it repaired? P ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS > --- Paul Richards wrote: > > >> >> It's the RC-50 I believe you're referring to? > > Yes, my bad. > >> A disadvantage of using the Repeater is that of its >> hardware reliability, IMHO compared to the RC-50. > > Hardware reliability? I've owned 2 Repeaters, a mo-fx > and a warpfactory and never had a single hardware > failure. I've heard people complain about software > glitches in the Repeater, but it seemed to me that all > the Electrix stuff was pretty damn solid. > > >> Also, the RC-50 doesn't need a Behringer MIDI pedal >> (and the programming) needed to control it. > > That is true indeed. Would be best to have it all on > the floor if possible. > >> The argument about feedback seems to be like someone >> complaining that a automobile is useless because it >> doesn't have a truckbed. So what? Many folks don't >> need a truckbed (or feedback). >> -- > > Here's my thoughts on that: People who think they > don't need feedback control on their looper don't know > what they're missing. My guess is if they spent some > quality time with a looper that has it they'd never go > back. I could be wrong. The ability to do both > totally rocks my world. I've set up Mobius to give me > 1 track where I put 1-4 loops. Mostly I toggle > between them with feedback on 100% or build them with > feedback <100% but set it to 100% when I get it the > way I want it. Then I build a second stereo track > with feedback permanently set <100%. I'll open and > close that one from time to time keeping that plate > "spinning" while I toggle between my first track > loops. > > Sorry to dis your RC-50. Frankly I love a lot of > Roland and Boss products. I hear people yell at them > for having too much compression on their ROM waveforms > in their ROMplers, but I still find my ears love the > sound of my XV-5050. The Boss VF-1 has become one of > my favorite processors and the Boss DD-20 Giga delay > is one of my all time favorite loopers... so I *know* > they can do a looper like I like it... they just > didn't this time. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 22:35:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB5B3BF0D; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:36:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060719214842.26759.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Correct me if I'm wrong, but having this all on the floor for a live gig where one does things other than looping is more of a hindrance, isn't it? I mean, (I know we've discussed this before here) bending down a bunch of times to tweak knobs and buttons and then continue is a pain in the rear and strikes me as being slightly rude. If you're doing a show where people expect to be technodazzled then tweaking all the time and bending over is fine, but if you're throwing surprise looping into various songs where people all of sudden go, "Where did that come from?!?!?" and they get totally absorbed; the constant fiddling, even before songs, makes people think something is going on. I'd rather that my looping be like solid chocolate at the bottom of the crčme brulee. No one knew it was there but when you hit it....oooooohh mannnnn..... So, to close, the RC-50 can do much, but it still seems it's too vertically challenged to perform effortlessly live. In that case give me a Rang or a rackmount with floor controls. Am I wrong here? ~peace~ Plish Music from the Infinite Horizon... www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 23:01:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7FA3BEDB; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060719214842.26759.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060719214842.26759.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:00:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Apropos of Feedback, When I first got thethe Electro Harmonix 16 second delay re-issue I started playing with the pitch and feedback controls like a DJ would work a crosfader... wow... I did a show shortly afterwards using the Line 6 and got to a point where the loop was getting too dense and I wanted to be able to drop the whole thing back by a slight amount.. no dice there... Next I became aware that the Repeater has a global feedback setting and I started using it live set to about 66% feedback. Totally different dynamic to a performance like that... everything merges with the night, so to speak. Finally I got the Electro Harmonix 2880, every track has an individual feedback control! You start to think about the permanence of each track and your thoughts begin to organize themselves in interesting ways.... -CZ >--- Paul Richards wrote: > > >> The argument about feedback seems to be like someone >> complaining that a automobile is useless because it >> doesn't have a truckbed. So what? Many folks don't >> need a truckbed (or feedback). >> -- > >Here's my thoughts on that: People who think they >don't need feedback control on their looper don't know >what they're missing. My guess is if they spent some >quality time with a looper that has it they'd never go >back. I could be wrong. The ability to do both >totally rocks my world. I've set up Mobius to give me >1 track where I put 1-4 loops. Mostly I toggle >between them with feedback on 100% or build them with >feedback <100% but set it to 100% when I get it the >way I want it. Then I build a second stereo track >with feedback permanently set <100%. I'll open and >close that one from time to time keeping that plate >"spinning" while I toggle between my first track >loops. >Mark > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 23:04:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76CBE3BF0F; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,158,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="635700791:sNHT502338458" Message-ID: <116529965.1153350270395.JavaMail.root@fepweb08> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:04:30 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: happy birthday, LD! Cc: Daryl Shawn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Daryl for sharing that link, What it says is: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D from the keyboard of dt: folks.=20 my next recording has been mastered, delivered to and accepted by ecm.=20 i do believe that the disc will be released in early 2007;=20 and,=20 fwiw,=20 we are gonna make a go at touring,=20 in the usa and europe, at least.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hey David! Any chance there might be a leg of said tour that passes=20 through the Pacific Northwest somewhere -- more specifically anywhere=20 within a 375 mile radius of Medford, Oregon? Heheheheh. Last time I saw=20 you perform was in L.A. somewhere (Luna Park, I think). Congrats on the=20 new upcoming disk on ECM. We all will be watching for it. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Daryl Shawn wrote:=20 > Speaking from one longtime fan (since "cloud about mercury", '87),=20 > Mr.Torn has a new record coming out on ECM soon, there's a blurb plus a= =20 > link to some samples on his site=20 > . >=20 > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com >=20 > > Long time no hear from Mr T. Nice to know you're still checkin' in ever= y once in a while. > > Please keep us abreast of what you are doing from time to time -- or at= least send a=20 > > notice of when you've updated or got something else new up on your webs= ite. I'd have=20 > > to say most of us here are longtime fans here. > > > > Peace, > > > > Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 23:05:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAA1E3BF18; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vmS7mWWjVUg5UlR6pZeReSYbHljdm0/4KquS72nik157OfLWFTsB9tKtGTfxdOD4+KG0e0jATaMvO/i9JHcu3pxr9WByKSiwZqj+PyzpxyoM8MSyng8hi9eCUMzX2Ul/WfrS+8Ra/tKNTykBknjPx9Mgw10JgKKtmQimqkWwyFE= ; Message-ID: <20060719230511.28346.qmail@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9IrnU.A.2UF.oqrvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:05:12 +0000 (UTC) i want to see the most techno-dazzling content the law will allow...i want layers and layers of sound from a one man army!the mad scientist artist are my favorite... future, dSv --- Michael Plishka wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but having this all on the > floor for a live gig > where one does things other than looping is more of > a hindrance, isn't it? > I mean, (I know we've discussed this before here) > bending down a bunch of > times to tweak knobs and buttons and then continue > is a pain in the rear and > strikes me as being slightly rude. If you're doing > a show where people > expect to be technodazzled then tweaking all the > time and bending over is > fine, but if you're throwing surprise looping into > various songs where > people all of sudden go, "Where did that come > from?!?!?" and they get > totally absorbed; the constant fiddling, even before > songs, makes people > think something is going on. I'd rather that my > looping be like solid > chocolate at the bottom of the crčme brulee. No one > knew it was there but > when you hit it....oooooohh mannnnn..... > > So, to close, the RC-50 can do much, but it still > seems it's too vertically > challenged to perform effortlessly live. In that > case give me a Rang or a > rackmount with floor controls. > > Am I wrong here? > > ~peace~ > > Plish > > > > Music from the Infinite Horizon... > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.myspace.com/michaelplishka > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 19 23:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB063BF02; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I5H0zZK1Z+AluTI9mXSealpGpDJ0iwxAMYxBkRQ4rmTUjFGODWXkRScrvF3dUhjyanFJFpWTGeYKir+h2Unq4DAn29pB/Q++O4GRJrFLvuUUbtHtbZ/wBDMa1KcoP5mgbUqhtmuyQqBuoSvrUrzgxtf+AI6T5wrd0S+fXHto7IM= ; Message-ID: <20060719231951.89667.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:19:52 +0000 (UTC) --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > Finally I got the Electro Harmonix 2880, every track > has an > individual feedback control! You start to think > about the permanence > of each track and your thoughts begin to organize > themselves in > interesting ways.... Yeah, for the first time in my life I have a looper (Mobius) that does feedback while *not* in OD... so your loops can decay no matter what your rec/od situation is. Very cool but it's a totally different vibe. Each track can have it's own feedback set up... really mind blowing and exciting. I wish it had the option of switching from the constant decay to a more Repeater like setup where you only decay when its in active overdub too... but that's a very small point. I remember wishing the Repeater was like this when I got it. Why isn't everything everything? ;) Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 02:39:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB273BF17; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060719231951.89667.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060719231951.89667.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:38:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:39:18 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 19, 2006, at 6:19 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I wish it had the option of switching from the > constant decay to a more Repeater like setup where > you only decay when its in active overdub too... If you set the Interface Mode preset parameter to Expert, there are two feedback controls available. The normal feedback control sets feedback for the non-recording modes, and the Secondary Feedback control sets feedback for the recording modes: overdub, multiply, substitute, replace, and stutter. So by keeping primary feedabck at 100% and reducing Secondary Feedback, the loop will only decay while recording. You can control this further by setting the global parameter "Modes Ignoring Secondary Feedback" to disable feedback in certain modes, for example to decay while overdubbing but not while multiplying. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 02:44:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 248D83BF1A; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13946824.1153339438927.JavaMail.root@web13> References: <13946824.1153339438927.JavaMail.root@web13> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:44:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:44:19 +0000 (UTC) At 1:03 PM -0700 7/19/06, Paul Richards wrote: >//Actually, I'd liken it more to a car that doesn't have seats: It'll >drive and it'll get you where you need to go, but the ride may not be >comfortable. // > >That's plain silly. Maybe like a car that doesn't have fold-down back seat. That's not silly, that's charitable. To be truthful, for my purposes it's more like a car with no seats, *and* a blown head-gasket: I'm not even sure if it's going to get me where I need to be (and it'll be a darn uncomfortable ride getting there, if at all). If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper with no feedback is gonna work just fine. However, if you're using looping for ambient soundscapes, Frippertronics, or anything with continually shifting textures, then the feedback control is absolutely essential. Otherwise, as Charles mentioned, you're going to end up with layer upon layer upon layer until you've got a huge rolling mess. The feedback is what allows the older layers to fade away as new material is added upon them. That's one reason why a lot of us chucked the RC-20's in favor of the DD-20 (of which I have two, BTW). Although, in true "robbing peter to pay paul fashion", you end up gaining feedback but losing the ability (for the most part) to set loop length on the fly. Agh! As I said in my previous message, to each his own. However, don't minimize the importance of feedback, or insinuate that just because a tool doesn't contain a particular function that it's not a needed function ("If we ain't got it, you don't need it"). >Sounds like some folks have a hard-on for Boss/Roland. Not really. IMNSHO, Boss/Roland, like many big manufacturers will occasionally put out products which are utterly brilliant, and occasionally products that are utter shite. On the more irritating side, they also have a tendency to monkey with things incessantly. Sometimes this results in something cool; or sometimes this whacks out an otherwise excellent product (in my case, I'm thinking VG-8 to VG-88, or PS-3 to PS-5, for instance). Sometimes they *just* miss the mark -- as I feel they did with the RC-50 -- which is what makes it all the more infuriating sometimes. Sometimes they can be fixed, either by of future update or a third party. The Blues Driver, for instance, is a great design, but is hampered by Boss' cost-cutting use of cheap crappy components. Listen to the Keeley-modded BD-2 though, which replaces the stock junk in the box with higher quality components, and it just sings. After a while, you learn that newer is not necessarily better with Boss, so you merely assess what's in front of you. Occasionally what they've done is cool. Occasionally what they've done is completely messed up. You've got to look at what's actually there, not the stupid name on the box. >The RC-50 is an amazing product for $500 USD. A few years ago and >you'd be lucky to touch anything with that much capability for 5 big >ones. As pointed out earlier, the Repeater was out a few years ago and I got mine new for less than 5 big ones. Howzabout the Jamman? DJRND2 or Cycloops? Used PCM-42? Boomerang? EDP's been around forever, and you could get one for not that much more (eh, don't talk to me 'bout stereo though). All have their plusses and minuses, but five bills is a good median number and stuff has been coming out around that price/feature point for quite some time. What I'll give you is that the RC-50 is a major step forward just because it's produced by a major well-known name in pedals, and that by its very nature is going to give looping a big boost. However, to finally have that and have the product come sooooooo close, but then in the end to *just* miss the mark -- that's what is so frustrating. I guess maybe we just wait for the RC-70 then...? --m -- _______ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 02:48:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165323BF1D; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:48:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcarpmyBlhohAcjhT6Giuj+EizQW+wAAHjfA Message-Id: <20060720024847.VZJZ11027.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Feedback is the difference between a looper and a phrase sampler. How'm I doin'? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 03:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C54403BF15; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060720024847.VZJZ11027.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060720024847.VZJZ11027.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:02:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7G1PhC.A.qxG.0IvvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:02:12 +0000 (UTC) At 7:48 PM -0700 7/19/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Feedback is the difference between a looper and a phrase sampler. >How'm I doin'? Pretty much spot on, dude! (Gee, I wish I could condense two pages of material down to a single sentence. Then again, the rest of the list probably wishes I could too. ;) --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 03:12:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84833BF18; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c6abaa$5f09b6e0$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <13946824.1153339438927.JavaMail.root@web13> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:12:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:12:46 +0000 (UTC) //Howzabout the Jamman? DJRND2 or Cycloops? Used PCM-42? Boomerang? EDP's // Jamman? Kee-rist. How long ago have new ones been available? I bought mine back in the stone age. It was good for what it was but can it compare to the RC-50? Never used a DJRND2 nor Cycloops. Boomerangs have (to my ears) a too degraded sound quality and is not in the sme league. The new ones planned sound good, though. Can you buy a new Repeater? I'd consider buying a used one but I really would worry about how long it would function as I wouldn't know how it was treated in the past. I did have one when they came out as well as an EDP. But, both need pedal configurations so they're not $500. Fact of the matter is a lot of the loopers you mentioned were (and some still are) at various times hard to get. And expensive. Still are. What other $500 loopers are out there currently for purchase new? That EH 2880 dog or whatever it's called? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS > At 1:03 PM -0700 7/19/06, Paul Richards wrote: >>//Actually, I'd liken it more to a car that doesn't have seats: It'll >>drive and it'll get you where you need to go, but the ride may not be >>comfortable. // >> >>That's plain silly. Maybe like a car that doesn't have fold-down back >>seat. > > That's not silly, that's charitable. To be truthful, for my purposes it's > more like a car with no seats, *and* a blown head-gasket: I'm not even > sure if it's going to get me where I need to be (and it'll be a darn > uncomfortable ride getting there, if at all). > > If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks over > which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse guitarists -- > there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper with no feedback > is gonna work just fine. > > However, if you're using looping for ambient soundscapes, Frippertronics, > or anything with continually shifting textures, then the feedback control > is absolutely essential. Otherwise, as Charles mentioned, you're going to > end up with layer upon layer upon layer until you've got a huge rolling > mess. The feedback is what allows the older layers to fade away as new > material is added upon them. > > That's one reason why a lot of us chucked the RC-20's in favor of the > DD-20 (of which I have two, BTW). Although, in true "robbing peter to pay > paul fashion", you end up gaining feedback but losing the ability (for the > most part) to set loop length on the fly. Agh! > > As I said in my previous message, to each his own. However, don't > minimize the importance of feedback, or insinuate that just because a tool > doesn't contain a particular function that it's not a needed function ("If > we ain't got it, you don't need it"). > >>Sounds like some folks have a hard-on for Boss/Roland. > > Not really. IMNSHO, Boss/Roland, like many big manufacturers will > occasionally put out products which are utterly brilliant, and > occasionally products that are utter shite. On the more irritating side, > they also have a tendency to monkey with things incessantly. Sometimes > this results in something cool; or sometimes this whacks out an otherwise > excellent product (in my case, I'm thinking VG-8 to VG-88, or PS-3 to > PS-5, for instance). Sometimes they *just* miss the mark -- as I feel > they did with the RC-50 -- which is what makes it all the more infuriating > sometimes. Sometimes they can be fixed, either by of future update or a > third party. The Blues Driver, for instance, is a great design, but is > hampered by Boss' cost-cutting use of cheap crappy components. Listen to > the Keeley-modded BD-2 though, which replaces the stock junk in the box > with higher quality components, and it just sings. > > After a while, you learn that newer is not necessarily better with Boss, > so you merely assess what's in front of you. Occasionally what they've > done is cool. Occasionally what they've done is completely messed up. > > You've got to look at what's actually there, not the stupid name on the > box. > >>The RC-50 is an amazing product for $500 USD. A few years ago and you'd be >>lucky to touch anything with that much capability for 5 big ones. > > As pointed out earlier, the Repeater was out a few years ago and I got > mine new for less than 5 big ones. Howzabout the Jamman? DJRND2 or > Cycloops? Used PCM-42? Boomerang? EDP's been around forever, and you > could get one for not that much more (eh, don't talk to me 'bout stereo > though). All have their plusses and minuses, but five bills is a good > median number and stuff has been coming out around that price/feature > point for quite some time. > > What I'll give you is that the RC-50 is a major step forward just because > it's produced by a major well-known name in pedals, and that by its very > nature is going to give looping a big boost. However, to finally have > that and have the product come sooooooo close, but then in the end to > *just* miss the mark -- that's what is so frustrating. I guess maybe we > just wait for the RC-70 then...? > > --m > -- > _______ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... > later" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 03:16:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5220E3BF2B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c6abaa$eaee8cd0$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20060720024847.VZJZ11027.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:16:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Or it could be that feedback is needed by some people that fancy themselves as artistic, creative "musicians" but , in reality, create boring, meaningless, repetitious beeps 'n' boops! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:48 PM Subject: Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) > Feedback is the difference between a looper and a phrase sampler. > How'm I doin'? > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 03:25:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B80D3BF27; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0PDuljgcqDWxtWvn0R6Or3eUAxYpJfOzeOe+AHbMl49kiA+G0/WTuU7uVx1BOs6E3ykwdIjGn5NF4vn0ar5aCWHQiI5k4hlSNwhV/qyFDEZpod2PFgEKhWDhke2moto11TD4NTGOQmB78z1YaLvw+7Rli0mGGweRIPFwAwWdNKk= ; Message-ID: <20060720032510.36613.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:25:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: optimizing pedalboard/Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #599 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060718073736.00f50220@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5QoXrD.A.IoH.YevvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Andy thanx for clarifying that,when you say "leads" do u mean the short cables between the 2 effects? they are mostly boss, the ones that came with my old BCB60 and a couple of others that i bought at a store.Are there special ones you can lead me to? thanx mate Luis > That's a lot of pedals, which means a lot of > connectors, and a lot of > leads. So plenty of room for problems with the > leads, if you just > bought them rather than making them up yourself then > they could be the problem. > > andybutler > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 03:50:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79E353BF34; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Boops and Beeps (was Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:50:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <002801c6abaa$eaee8cd0$d2e14744@BlackDell> Thread-Index: Acarqu+lO9fVFxJFSdSFBEteymi0iwAA7gRQ Message-Id: <20060720035047.WBIF985.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:50:48 +0000 (UTC) I am the most mundane looper you would ever want to meet (I performed "Red Wing" at Y2K2), but continuing to add layers without being able to reduce the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to refer to this as the "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative. Although I am sure that you are happy without feedback control, when I don't have it, I miss it. And that's all I've got to say. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@adelphia.net] Or it could be that feedback is needed by some people that fancy themselves as artistic, creative "musicians" but , in reality, create boring, meaningless, repetitious beeps 'n' boops! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 04:02:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100203BF20; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060720035047.WBIF985.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060720035047.WBIF985.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Boops and Beeps (was Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:02:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:02:25 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > continuing to add layers without being able to reduce > the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to refer to this as the > "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative. Ahh, dogma! Fundamentalist loopers unite! I love rules! :-) All options are good....and have creative possiblilities....I don't personally use a feedback control function, but am glad to see it as an option for those that want it. Feedback control is good, no feedback control is good. My dogma is: The truth is the sum of all dogmas. Now, back to this evening's ale of choice: Piraat. BTW, Kris Hartung, I miss the Bitter Creek Ale house!!! Rogue XS Old Crustacean Barleywine ale rocks...... :-) best regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 04:10:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0CC3BF0F; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c2c01c6abb2$7ecb0300$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060720035047.WBIF985.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Boops and Beeps (was Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:10:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:10:57 +0000 (UTC) > My dogma is: The truth is the sum of all dogmas. > BTW, Kris Hartung, I miss the Bitter Creek Ale house!!! Rogue XS Old > Crustacean Barleywine ale rocks...... Ain't it great!? Next time I'll take you to the Brews Brothers ale house....enough boutique beer on tap to drink an army under the table. ...btw, my dogma: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" - William S. Burroughs I can't think of a better foundation and maxim for honest art. Let the music speak. K- > :-) > > best regards, > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 04:29:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91E6A3BEE0; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BF06A6.3030705@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:29:26 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) References: <20060719231951.89667.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060719231951.89667.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060807080106020600010609" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:29:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060807080106020600010609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is my favorite part of this whole thread, and could pretty much be used to end any gear-related argum...I mean, discussion. > Why isn't everything everything? ;) > > Mark > I did also want to give props to Buzap for the original post, it was incredibly well-written, and though I don't have an RC-50 I read the whole damn thing with interest. I'd opine that feedback is probably /most /desirable if you're operating with a single unit. Myself, I don't find feedback necessary for a looper...I tend to like having separate, individually controllable things going on at once, and when I get tired of something, I just erase what's there and start over, or turn down the volume control, while the other things are still going on. I don't have multiple loopers right now, just a single loop with multiple tracks, but that allows me to do the same thing, and I find that between individual track control and just playing dry guitar I can keep things moving along. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --------------060807080106020600010609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is my favorite part of this whole thread, and could pretty much be used to end any gear-related argum...I mean, discussion.
    Why isn't everything everything? ;)

Mark
    I did also want to give props to Buzap for the original post, it was incredibly well-written, and though I don't have an RC-50 I read the whole damn thing with interest.

    I'd opine that feedback is probably most desirable if you're operating with a single unit. Myself, I don't find feedback necessary for a looper...I tend to like having separate, individually controllable things going on at once, and when I get tired of something, I just erase what's there and start over, or turn down the volume control, while the other things are still going on. I don't have multiple loopers right now, just a single loop with multiple tracks, but that allows me to do the same thing, and I find that between individual track control and just playing dry guitar I can keep things moving along.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    --------------060807080106020600010609-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 04:32:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B0DB3BEF4; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:32:53 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_529.3fcc2e1.31f06175_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:32:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_529.3fcc2e1.31f06175_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper with no feedback is gonna work just fine." perhaps it's the just in "just a coffeehouse guitarist..." that stings a little..... : ) seriously, i am something of that breed, worked with boomerang, rc20, edp and now the rc50.....just as i was getting ready to receive my rc50, i started experimenting with the mystical feedback feature on the edp, and now i get it.........and i'd not even scratched the surface. so, yeah, i totally understand why that's so important to the more sophisticated users of this technology. and, of course, now i miss it on the rc50. as far as feedback with the rc50, the detailed descriptions in buzap's postings specifically, i'll have to spend some time with that, but i know i don't want to be messing with mixers.....that kind of screws the whole point of having everything in one unit. generally with the rc50, i've been able to use it in several performances since i got it (some coffeehouse, some not...he says with humor), and i still like what's good about it more than what frustrates me. i've already had use for stereo outs and the sub out, the rhythm tracks also (for writing, not performing), even after i thougt there was no way in hell i'd use those. the fade out feature can be cool, if not real true feedback. in the negative column, i was one of the first posters to bitch about the "hiccups", and i still find the fact that i have to "play through 'one' of the first playback measure" a pain, though i've been able to adapt to it. i have no idea if that will be addressed or not. two questions- 1/ does anyone know if there is a way to set the rc50 so that the default setting of the guide track is off? god help you if you forget that it's not and go to start a performance with that wonderful little groove that's there.....have mercy! 2/ does anyone know if there is a way to copy a loop/phrase(s) from one patch to the next....the idea being that the first patch is set for stop to be immediate, but the next patch is set for a fade? john --part1_529.3fcc2e1.31f06175_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks
    over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse
    guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper
    with no feedback is gonna work just fine."

    perhaps it's the     just in "just a coffeehouse guitarist..." that= stings a little.....  : )

    seriously, i am something of that breed, worked with boomerang, rc20, edp an= d now the rc50.....just as i was getting ready to receive my rc50, i started= experimenting with the mystical feedback feature on the edp, and now i get=20= it.........and i'd not even scratched the surface.  so, yeah, i totall= y understand why that's so important to the more sophisticated users of this= technology.  and, of course, now i miss it on the rc50.

    as far as feedback     with the rc50, the detailed descriptions in=20= buzap's postings specifically, i'll have to spend some time with that, but i= know i don't want to be messing with mixers.....that kind of screws the who= le point of having everything in one unit.

    generally with the rc50, i've been able to use it in several performances si= nce i got it (some coffeehouse, some not...he says with humor), and i still=20= like what's good about it more than what frustrates me.  i've already=20= had use for stereo outs and the sub out, the rhythm tracks also (for writing= , not performing), even after i thougt there was no way in hell i'd use thos= e.  the fade out feature can be cool, if not real true feedback. =

    in the negative column, i was one of the first posters to bitch about the "h= iccups", and i still find the fact that i have to "play through 'one' of the= first playback measure" a pain, though i've been able to adapt to it. = i have no idea if that will be addressed or not. 

    two questions-
    1/ does anyone know if there is a way to set the rc50 so that the default se= tting of the guide track is off?  god help you if you forget that it's= not and go to start a performance with that wonderful little groove that's=20= there.....have mercy!

    2/ does anyone know if there is a way to copy a loop/phrase(s) from one patc= h to the next....the idea being that the first patch is set for stop to be i= mmediate, but the next patch is set for a fade?

    john     --part1_529.3fcc2e1.31f06175_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 04:39:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 450DD3BEF5; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:39:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0C4A_01C6AB84.3F1A0360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:39:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0C4A_01C6AB84.3F1A0360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper with no feedback is gonna work just fine." Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your = compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite your = set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy. Very = practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig. :) Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0C4A_01C6AB84.3F1A0360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm=20 chucks
    over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against=20 coffeehouse
    guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out there), = then a=20 looper
    with no feedback is gonna work just fine."
     
    Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your = compensation,=20 btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite your set 1 minute=20 early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy.  Very practical = indeed, not=20 peeing your pants at a looping gig.  :)
     

    Kris
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0C4A_01C6AB84.3F1A0360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 04:43:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF033BF01; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <8c1757c4a253c5281b7e362426373e21@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:43:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:43:20 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your=20 > compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite your=20= > set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy.=A0 Very=20= > practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig.=A0 :) d00d. "catheter control" function? Great idea, but I don't think I=20 could do that in Max....Jeff, can you add that as a feature in=20 Mobius....? jeff jeffkaiser.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 04:58:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF44B3BF01; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8c1757c4a253c5281b7e362426373e21@pfmentum.com> References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8c1757c4a253c5281b7e362426373e21@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:58:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:58:43 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 19, 2006, at 11:43 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > d00d. "catheter control" function? Great idea, but I don't think I > could do that in Max....Jeff, can you add that as a feature in Mobius....? Oh, I've been experimenting with it but it needs to have some kinks ironed out. It works fine during Insert mode, but is unpredictable in Multiply mode, and Replace mode is pretty much a disaster. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 05:04:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FA953BED2; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8c1757c4a253c5281b7e362426373e21@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7fcf166d237892ff72c0139970fc1d08@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:04:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:04:25 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Oh, I've been experimenting with it but it needs to have some kinks > ironed out. > It works fine during Insert mode, but is unpredictable in Multiply > mode, > and Replace mode is pretty much a disaster. > > Jeff oh my gawd!! That one made me spit my beer out laughing! lol, jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 05:23:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48623BED0; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c6001c6abbc$a3204440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8c1757c4a253c5281b7e362426373e21@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:23:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <9hCoGC.A.7bH.VNxvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Very nice, Jeff L. Now we know your dark hidden secrets lurking beneath Mobius. Which color pill did you take? Oh, the diuretic pill... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS > On Jul 19, 2006, at 11:43 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > d00d. "catheter control" function? Great idea, but I don't think I > > could do that in Max....Jeff, can you add that as a feature in > Mobius....? > > Oh, I've been experimenting with it but it needs to have some kinks > ironed out. > It works fine during Insert mode, but is unpredictable in Multiply mode, > and Replace mode is pretty much a disaster. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 05:26:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2003BEDF; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c7601c6abbd$100cf0d0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8c1757c4a253c5281b7e362426373e21@pfmentum.com> <7fcf166d237892ff72c0139970fc1d08@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:26:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, and what's scary is that Jeff can insert 8 times in parallel with his script feature. ...I'm going to bed before I say something I regret. Cheers, and drink another dark and cynical ale on me. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:04 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS > On Jul 19, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > >> Oh, I've been experimenting with it but it needs to have some kinks >> ironed out. >> It works fine during Insert mode, but is unpredictable in Multiply mode, >> and Replace mode is pretty much a disaster. >> >> Jeff > > oh my gawd!! That one made me spit my beer out laughing! > > lol, > > jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 06:13:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B27F3BF08; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:13:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Coffeehouse Guitar (was: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1058746495==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <23oV6D.A.olF.D8xvEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:13:24 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1058746495==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 12:32 AM -0400 7/20/06, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: >"If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks >over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse >guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper >with no feedback is gonna work just fine." > >perhaps it's the just in "just a coffeehouse guitarist..." that >stings a little..... : ) Agh! I hate that little word!!! I use it far too much -- I usually make it a point to go through and delete as many instances as possible when editing a post -- yet it still comes back to bite me no matter how many times I re-read before hitting send. Needless to say, that isn't what I meant at all. How about... Change: "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks...", to this: "If you're a coffeehouse guitarist just looping a few rhythm chucks...". Kinda changes the emphasis there. The latter is actually much closer to what I meant. Especially since I was really trying to go out of my way *not* to trivialize coffeehouse guitarists, then there I go and put my foot into a different beartrap. D'oh. 1000 pardons, Effendi! >as far as feedback with the rc50, the detailed descriptions in >buzap's postings specifically, i'll have to spend some time with >that, but i know i don't want to be messing with mixers.....that >kind of screws the whole point of having everything in one unit. Yeah, I'd generally agree that once a mixer comes into the picture, I find it's easier to toss the dedicated foot pedals. Then fall back to a portable setup with everything pre-wired into a small rack plus a controller. And, as Daryll pointed out, Buzap obviously put a lot of time and effort into that write-up, and does deserve a great deal of thanks for going through and documenting the workaround. --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." --============_-1058746495==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Coffeehouse Guitar (was: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)
    At 12:32 AM -0400 7/20/06, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote:
    "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks
    over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse
    guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper
    with no feedback is gonna work just fine."

    perhaps it's the just in "just a coffeehouse guitarist..." that stings a little.....  : )

    Agh!  I hate that little word!!!  I use it far too much -- I usually make it a point to go through and delete as many instances as possible when editing a post -- yet it still comes back to bite me no matter how many times I re-read before hitting send.

    Needless to say, that isn't what I meant at all.  How about...

            Change: "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks...",
            to this: "If you're a coffeehouse guitarist just looping a few rhythm chucks...".

    Kinda changes the emphasis there.  The latter is actually much closer to what I meant.  Especially since I was really trying to go out of my way *not* to trivialize coffeehouse guitarists, then there I go and put my foot into a different beartrap.  D'oh.

    1000 pardons, Effendi!

    as far as feedback with the rc50, the detailed descriptions in buzap's postings specifically, i'll have to spend some time with that, but i know i don't want to be messing with mixers.....that kind of screws the whole point of having everything in one unit.

    Yeah, I'd generally agree that once a mixer comes into the picture, I find it's easier to toss the dedicated foot pedals.  Then fall back to a portable setup with everything pre-wired into a small rack plus a controller.

    And, as Daryll pointed out, Buzap obviously put a lot of time and effort into that write-up, and does deserve a great deal of thanks for going through and documenting the workaround.

            --m.
    --
    _______
    "Snakes on a Plane..."
    --============_-1058746495==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 08:19:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1B2E3BF00; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=czhVlFMHTL2w9zdh3dmW1mURcTLCa31+CwdN4dWxtMB503D6c7HK6/eIpxUp86ID1fteATGfU5HIoOHab7lyPysz4lst+AldgUC8nUhkZvDlXccFP8p57cGXFr9BzWwo7fWYzu2hKPjnN6OtfUkyGFK+dSyB0EZMT5pg7IKfiwQ= ; Message-ID: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:19:50 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar (was: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:19:52 +0000 (UTC) LOL as a street-busker am i a lower life form than a coffee house player and is that any less rewarding than the club performer or those who find themselves touring the globe?what is the most evolved form of loopage artist? I'm glad to use any looping tool i can acquire and maybe ill end up owning every looper on the market one day.i think its a good thing that loopers(machines)are like loopers(artist)every one is different and no two are exactly the same. its hard to avoid lobster traps when in unexplored water, and its easy to over indulge on the chaos factor sometimes. capture the moment, scary visionary. p.s yes very insightfull and concise info Buzap...kudos --- mech wrote: > At 12:32 AM -0400 7/20/06, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > >"If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a > few rhythm chucks > >over which to lay a solo (and this is nothing > against coffeehouse > >guitarists -- there are some damn fine ones out > there), then a looper > >with no feedback is gonna work just fine." > > > >perhaps it's the just in "just a coffeehouse > guitarist..." that > >stings a little..... : ) > > Agh! I hate that little word!!! I use it far too > much -- I usually > make it a point to go through and delete as many > instances as > possible when editing a post -- yet it still comes > back to bite me no > matter how many times I re-read before hitting send. > > Needless to say, that isn't what I meant at all. > How about... > > Change: "If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist > looping a few > rhythm chucks...", > to this: "If you're a coffeehouse guitarist just > looping a > few rhythm chucks...". > > Kinda changes the emphasis there. The latter is > actually much closer > to what I meant. Especially since I was really > trying to go out of > my way *not* to trivialize coffeehouse guitarists, > then there I go > and put my foot into a different beartrap. D'oh. > > 1000 pardons, Effendi! > > >as far as feedback with the rc50, the detailed > descriptions in > >buzap's postings specifically, i'll have to spend > some time with > >that, but i know i don't want to be messing with > mixers.....that > >kind of screws the whole point of having everything > in one unit. > > Yeah, I'd generally agree that once a mixer comes > into the picture, I > find it's easier to toss the dedicated foot pedals. > Then fall back > to a portable setup with everything pre-wired into a > small rack plus > a controller. > > And, as Daryll pointed out, Buzap obviously put a > lot of time and > effort into that write-up, and does deserve a great > deal of thanks > for going through and documenting the workaround. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Snakes on a Plane..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 08:37:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91773BF0B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Q6dOZhjRI0W1l6SNfR2kdwyGFVxd20DAz52TT/wBF8bOIoK9a0MbN90+c018gEAx0oEnHhToxTQ71eUGuFG04r/hZ7+j0Ok5l7+RMcyuGtIeGiQ7zRIXQ4bUUoNM0udASpwyTMzMWHS/rAVUOiFba5aw2VS1q0o6sfO0MDyfbNM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060719231951.89667.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060719231951.89667.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:37:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:37:53 +0000 (UTC) On 20 jul 2006, at 01.19, mark sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, for the first time in my life I have a looper > (Mobius) that does feedback while *not* in OD... erm... SooperLooper also does that. I agree it's a very useful function. > so > your loops can decay no matter what your rec/od > situation is. Very cool but it's a totally different > vibe. Each track can have it's own feedback set up... Right on the spot, Mark! I keep a little 8-track MIDI mixer with a =20 feedback knob for each track (in M=F6bius), so I can fade out loops on =20= other tracks than the active track that I'm recording to at the =20 moment. (I also have a fader for the Secondary Feedback and run it =20 all in Expert Interface Mode, meaning I get exactly what you're =20 talking about - and some more goodies as well). I too liked that =20 function in the Repeater. It's great to get both your Repeat and EDP =20 functions in one laptop :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 08:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27513BF11; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAOLfvkSBT4hkLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060720093400.01b835f0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:51:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: optimizing pedalboard/ In-Reply-To: <20060720061324.69A743BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060720061324.69A743BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:51:13 +0000 (UTC) >Andy thanx for clarifying that,when you say "leads" do >u mean the short cables between the 2 effects? they >are mostly boss, the ones that came with my old BCB60 >and a couple of others that i bought at a store.Are >there special ones you can lead me to? >thanx mate >Luis Yes, that's what I mean. I don't know how good the Boss leads are, it's possible that Roland/Boss would simply source the cheapest they could get. I've not had problems with http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?TabID=1&criteria=PATCH%20cables%206&ModuleNo=31246&doy=20m7 but then I'm running at line level for all my patching. I make my own leads from studio quality cable (as used for mics) which gives me more confidence that the cables are good enough. StudioSpares is good for buying online. There's also a chance that the jack plugs, or the jack sockets have become tarnished, and could do with a clean. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 09:08:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5F2C3BF11; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=3q8pnSZhfWVMT1UJh3huj8WpjQ3+i8w53mysHNh73/mlAEFfgbalAiEqnJkNi8ZiQc4AxEMtwvyW389NCja9YXT+W98Q/ghpfDALYFYSpfX2vvA7NuS7/YYptwAVwQCGVWxYinXcyGSTnloWZ49nk0kRQ6kPb7FB8k29OJ7gYXw= ; Message-ID: <001901c6abdc$162ef9d0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> <20060719075459.224290@gmx.net> <20060719155222.181570@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:08:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4rFWBD.A.T4.Xg0vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi buzap, Do you really need a mixer? Can't you patch directly the guitar to left IN, the feedback signal to right IN and use the level sliders on the looper's mixer? Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS > Hi Charles & others > > Well, I just figured out that my initial approach was way too complicated. > It's actually MUCH simpler, there we go: > - Keep your regular setup (NO sub outs needed!) > - MUTE all INPUT on the RC-50 (in SYSTEM/USB) > - Switch OVERDUB MODE to REPLACE > - Send your instrument AND the RC-50 MAIN OUT to the RC-50 INPUT (use your > mixer) > > That's it! > You can adjust feedback by the amount of the original signal you send back > to the RC-50. > > I'm very with this setup now. At the moment, there is no reason for me to > move to Looperlative or any other gear. There is already a lot you can do > with 3 stereo loops. I'd like to exploit that first. > > best regards > Buzap > >> >> DEMO EXAMPLE ON LD (Audio Looping Examples) > > -- > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 10:21:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32C053BF0B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=SgcYQnagBOXpJ8VgzRjwtuoRniI3BcMhzC6JnYYbd0f7asUlLYqD9AJg4Rzd6XG/iaOurkwtCo+AKp5bh7HZOamiBLONZk6dRE8n/ZeNsY59N6BuI9n3mXDDISv7P55ddcqcAfYsPgsOIdUD3aM6Ehb70CBbfBKV+3Jn2H6EDpA= ; Message-ID: <00a401c6abe6$3628a920$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: Subject: EH2880 on video Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:21:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:21:08 +0000 (UTC) For those who like me haven't the opportunity to test the EH 2880, there is now a video on sonicstate. http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3265 Watch the film till the end for a cool new pedal called the 'Hum debugger' (?) which can be useful for those using laptop on stage. Greetings from Belgium, Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 10:46:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88FFD3BF05; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:42:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44BF5E2E.4000606@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <8Ep_7D.A.jNH.r71vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:46:03 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Eye of the Nautilus" on Hypnos Records. The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Heaven and Hell" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1975. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jul Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 10:57:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9DDD3BF05; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MjKhxs6nsU+vOwz/6OT4ut44ArnzHfkF3OW6in/BE3KzOtKHrAFKN5Ye+6fH/hSEq/700/dWGA3A71dsGYm68ZvnbKaDFFuA6+TnYZ/1OEQY1NJ8kWb/Hz952NUvlqcWOfOhWq8Vl4K9zgWXqGg5vKIKFbIocmBC8LYi6bXhnrY= In-Reply-To: <00a401c6abe6$3628a920$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <00a401c6abe6$3628a920$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D6CC1E9-9239-447C-BD24-8BEA5C2342B7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EH2880 on video Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:57:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:57:45 +0000 (UTC) On 20 jul 2006, at 12.21, Ben wrote: > For those who like me haven't the opportunity to test the EH 2880, > there is now a video on sonicstate. > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3265 > Watch the film till the end for a cool new pedal called the 'Hum > debugger' (?) which can be useful for those using laptop on stage. Thanks for the link. INteresting demo. The Hum debugger looks useful. But I wouldn't need it for my laptop as much as I would need it for my tube 60 w Sovtek guitar top. It's humming a lot with single coil guitars and those are what sounds cool with it. I wish the guy had said what the Hum debugger is instead of repeating what it is not. Obviously it works very well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 11:56:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A9BA3BF0F; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:56:13 -0400 From: chrisrover@aol.com Message-Id: <8C87A0AA207F76F-974-4A0E@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Cc: CHRISROVER@aol.com X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 18735 Subject: RC-50 Software Update planned for August/September Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.135 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:56:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, just thought you might want to know that an official software update to the RC-50 is planned for late August/early autumn adressing among others: - the dreaded hickup - adding a "clicktrack" sound - improving MIDI reliability Also a video is in the works. Best regards to all Christian Rover BTW I just finished a review for "Gitarre & Bass" which should appear in the August/September issue for all of you who are delighted to loop in german as well ;-) chrisrover@aol.com www.christianrover.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 12:49:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 961583BEFE; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:49:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker In-Reply-To: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-46FE6430 Resent-Message-ID: <12QmUC.A.cEG.av3vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:49:31 +0000 (UTC) having done many forms of entertainment including I personally have high regard for the busker. I've learned that busking is not only a viable alternative to those of us that perform something that is on the fringes of accepted entertainment, it is also the most honest form of entertainment. How many times have you gone out, paid for a ticket and heard some crappy excuse for a performance and left thinking "that was a waste of money".... you see a busker, you stop and listen, if you like what you hear, you pay,, you don't like it, you walk away. I think it takes a lot of talent and a lot of guts to make it as a busker, a lot of stage musicians that I know would die on the street. It's always been a great mystery to me how some performers can be so technically brilliant but soulless, some people have the ability to make every note reach inside and grab you. Sort of like I ask why some ambient/soundscape artists make evolving/shifting noise that doesn't go anywhere or do anything... and others whisk me away to some other dimension where time and space have no meaning. Is it in the equipment they use or is it a gift to be able to share their inner vision with someone else? I hope sometimes I'm able to do that Paul Haslem dulcimer guy in Canada At 04:19 AM 7/20/2006, you wrote: >LOL as a street-busker am i a lower life form than a >coffee house player and is that any less rewarding >than the club performer or those who find themselves >touring the globe?what is the most evolved form of >loopage artist? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 13:06:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048493BF07; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:06:19 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <001901c6abdc$162ef9d0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Message-ID: <20060720130619.304710@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060718100911.37930@gmx.net> <20060719075459.224290@gmx.net> <20060719155222.181570@gmx.net> <001901c6abdc$162ef9d0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS (WITHOUT A MIXER ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ben you are right - YOU DON'T NEED A MIXER! :-) I guess the following setup should work even in stereo: - Get a Y-cable to short-circuit your SUB OUTs to the AUX INPUTs - Mute input on the sub outs (in USB/SYSTEM: set INPUT OUTs to MAIN only) - Set OVERDUB MODE to REPLACE That's it! You should be able to control feedback WITHOUT A MIXER, using the AUX LEVEL. This is actually what I'm trying to promote: With the RC-50, you get these 3 stereo loops in a nice pedal for a decent price (and yes, also feedback control _without_ a mixer ;-) Then again, this is my first "real" looper. If I had owned an EDP, maybe I would think differently... Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 13:13:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C30E3BEFE; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:13:52 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <8C87A0AA207F76F-974-4A0E@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20060720131352.304710@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8C87A0AA207F76F-974-4A0E@FWM-R07.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 Software Update planned for August/September To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi Christian Is this true?? (just checked it's not April's Fool ;-) That would be GREAT if they did a software update. I hope that when they solve the "hiccup" problem, that this also helps with the time lag when switching from Patch to Patch. That would BIG improvement to me. (Hope to use the RC-50 patches sort of like "Scenes" with Ableton...) Are there any official news available somewhere? Great to hear you do a review - I'll get & read the Gitarre und Bass ;-) Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 13:48:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB6B3BF0B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:48:17 +0300 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Kimmo_M=E4kel=E4?= Subject: RC-50 glitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.09 (built Nov 18 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296, Antispam-Engine: 2.4.0.264935, Antispam-Data: 2006.7.20.62932 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CD 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone! I'm on the verge of buying my first looper and i'm thinking about the RC-50. I've read some reviews but one thing has me worried. Apparently when you record a loop and press stop, the pedal should start playing the loop from the beginning but instead there's supposedly a 0.5 sec silence before the sound starts. Could somebody who actually owns this unit tell me if this is true? If it is, then i feel that it is a serious problem and might go for the JamMan instead... thanks -- Kimmo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 14:50:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A913BEF9; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BF9844.7020403@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:50:44 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm late to the game, but let me say what a terrific idea this is. I enjoyed the 15-some loops for quite a while last night on repeat...it's great stuff that works amazingly well all in a row, considering there were no rules on key or tempo. What I especially like is that it's almost like putting a face to the names I see here. Thanks for doing this, Krispen. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 15:01:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A85AF3BF07; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cf001c6ac0d$5017fee0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:00:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4swrxC.A.i2D.vq5vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:01:03 +0000 (UTC) > having done many forms of entertainment including I personally have high > regard for the busker. [snip]> Agreed. Here in Boise, busking is taken very seriously by the City Arts Commission. They hire buskers every summer to play on the street corners of a block down town, where a huge out door market occurs. They pay each busker $150 USD to play for 3 hours. That's not bad. > It's always been a great mystery to me how some performers can be so > technically brilliant but soulless, some people have the ability to make > every note reach inside and grab you. Sort of like I ask why some > ambient/soundscape artists make evolving/shifting noise that doesn't go > anywhere or do anything... and others whisk me away to some other > dimension where time and space have no meaning. Is it in the equipment > they use or is it a gift to be able to share their inner vision with > someone else? There was a time when I would have vehemently and completely agreed with you above, but my thinking has changed and softened up. I believe the idea of having soul in your playing, being moved by music and having notes grab you, is an entirely subjective and relative notion. A piece of music can be emotionally provocative or stirring for one person, but sterile and unmoving to another based on their individual and unique emotional makeups. Therefore, I believe making blanket statements about certain types of music and playing approaches in regard to their artist merit and emotional impact are essentially vacuous and illegitimate. If you can find me one style of music or approach to playing that is as you say above to ALL listeners, then I would consider your point valid and proven....good luck with that, however. ;) It is very difficult to find or legitimize universal or generalized value statements in art. Many try, but end up betraying themselves in the long run for doing so. I don't mean to come across as harsh or pedantic here, but statements about the artistic or emotional impact of music do need to be translated and qualified as personal and subjective sentiment, and not factual statements that denote actual characteristics of art. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a factual value statement about a piece of art, only factual statements that describe measureable or empirically observalbe characteristics of the art. Everything else I feel falls into the personal feeling category, which is more telling of the observer and not the piece of art. > Paul Haslem > dulcimer guy in Canada Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 15:37:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA7A3BF02; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:37:02 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060720153702.232480@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kimmo you have to be a bit careful with what you are reading. A lot of people who use the RC-50 for the first time get the time settings (loop sync, loop quantize, guide, tempo sync, patch tempo, phrase tempo..) confused. Then they wonder why a loop starts/stops at a certain time. With almost all my complaints, I was able to solve them with experience. There are only the following "real glitches" that I'm aware of: - When you record a loop and go to playback, the playback cannot be heard immediately but only after ca. 0,5 second. However, the loop is still perfectly on time and in perfect sync. The next repetition, the loop plays perfectly normal. I suspect this is a memory buffer problem. I have that also on my mp3 player: There is always a gap between song 1 and song 2 because the mp3 player needs to load the song to its memory first. Another issue related to this is: - When you are switching Patches (set of loops), playback never seems to work seemlessly. There is always a little silent gap. This seems to depend on the size of the patch you want to playback, it seems. The first problem - to me personally - is not a real issue. The way I play one hardly notices it. The other problem I find more annoying. I've found no workaround except using Single Mode (switching phrases within a patch). Another major issue is that changing tempo doesn't sound well. So you should be able to live with sticking to the same playback tempo (I can live with that very well). Then again, I just read on this forum that there is a software update coming to repair the "glitch"... I don't know your budget, your musical style and also not all the alternatives. But I enjoy my RC-50 a lot. :-) Btw, something people also forget is the looong recording time. While this may be not so important, it is very convenient: I record all my loops and save them and can dump that i.e. once a week via USB to a computer. Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 16:05:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8073BF06; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MaT6FoOxXlCcgfYM1K72cZjRNUrvF4U7AdAblkWbtNFLxp01+7bRiqYs9aplpBNWQnDgBN4ZwF5Nln3CkB3H/iMAtxj1zHJZEEU3RU+sCFztSxVpJXduCXpmtwoe4HszCuWjdiPIvTeOQ3w4aNuJIcJwVoNkVJniT0ZAI4vTet4= ; Message-ID: <20060720160503.80322.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: richard moreau Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0cf001c6ac0d$5017fee0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-718653931-1153411503=:79856" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0f_PM.A.SxG.xm6vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:05:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-718653931-1153411503=:79856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Extremely well stated ! I've noticed some derogatory comments, passively stated from time to time here that people could take as insulting. Krispen Hartung wrote: > having done many forms of entertainment including I personally have high > regard for the busker. [snip]> Agreed. Here in Boise, busking is taken very seriously by the City Arts Commission. They hire buskers every summer to play on the street corners of a block down town, where a huge out door market occurs. They pay each busker $150 USD to play for 3 hours. That's not bad. > It's always been a great mystery to me how some performers can be so > technically brilliant but soulless, some people have the ability to make > every note reach inside and grab you. Sort of like I ask why some > ambient/soundscape artists make evolving/shifting noise that doesn't go > anywhere or do anything... and others whisk me away to some other > dimension where time and space have no meaning. Is it in the equipment > they use or is it a gift to be able to share their inner vision with > someone else? There was a time when I would have vehemently and completely agreed with you above, but my thinking has changed and softened up. I believe the idea of having soul in your playing, being moved by music and having notes grab you, is an entirely subjective and relative notion. A piece of music can be emotionally provocative or stirring for one person, but sterile and unmoving to another based on their individual and unique emotional makeups. Therefore, I believe making blanket statements about certain types of music and playing approaches in regard to their artist merit and emotional impact are essentially vacuous and illegitimate. If you can find me one style of music or approach to playing that is as you say above to ALL listeners, then I would consider your point valid and proven....good luck with that, however. ;) It is very difficult to find or legitimize universal or generalized value statements in art. Many try, but end up betraying themselves in the long run for doing so. I don't mean to come across as harsh or pedantic here, but statements about the artistic or emotional impact of music do need to be translated and qualified as personal and subjective sentiment, and not factual statements that denote actual characteristics of art. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a factual value statement about a piece of art, only factual statements that describe measureable or empirically observalbe characteristics of the art. Everything else I feel falls into the personal feeling category, which is more telling of the observer and not the piece of art. > Paul Haslem > dulcimer guy in Canada Kris --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. --0-718653931-1153411503=:79856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Extremely well stated ! I've noticed some derogatory comments, passively stated from time to time here that people could take as insulting.

    Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    > having done many forms of entertainment including I personally have high
    > regard for the busker. [snip]>

    Agreed. Here in Boise, busking is taken very seriously by the City Arts
    Commission. They hire buskers every summer to play on the street corners of
    a block down town, where a huge out door market occurs. They pay each busker
    $150 USD to play for 3 hours. That's not bad.

    > It's always been a great mystery to me how some performers can be so
    > technically brilliant but soulless, some people have the ability to make
    > every note reach inside and grab you. Sort of like I ask why some
    > ambient/soundscape artists make evolving/shifting noise that doesn't go
    > anywhere or do anything... and others whisk me away to some other
    > dimension where time and space have no meaning. Is it in the equipment
    > they use or is it a gift to be able to share their inner vision with
    > someone else?

    There was a time when I would have vehemently and completely agreed with you
    above, but my thinking has changed and softened up. I believe the idea of
    having soul in your playing, being moved by music and having notes grab you,
    is an entirely subjective and relative notion. A piece of music can be
    emotionally provocative or stirring for one person, but sterile and unmoving
    to another based on their individual and unique emotional makeups.
    Therefore, I believe making blanket statements about certain types of music
    and playing approaches in regard to their artist merit and emotional impact
    are essentially vacuous and illegitimate. If you can find me one style of
    music or approach to playing that is as you say above to ALL listeners, then
    I would consider your point valid and proven....good luck with that,
    however. ;) It is very difficult to find or legitimize universal or
    generalized value statements in art. Many try, but end up betraying
    themselves in the long run for doing so. I don't mean to come across as
    harsh or pedantic here, but statements about the artistic or emotional
    impact of music do need to be translated and qualified as personal and
    subjective sentiment, and not factual statements that denote actual
    characteristics of art. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a factual
    value statement about a piece of art, only factual statements that describe
    measureable or empirically observalbe characteristics of the art. Everything
    else I feel falls into the personal feeling category, which is more telling
    of the observer and not the piece of art.

    > Paul Haslem
    > dulcimer guy in Canada

    Kris



    Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-718653931-1153411503=:79856-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 16:07:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6143BF02; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060720120702.4kotye1d140ksw8s@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:07:02 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker References: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca> <0cf001c6ac0d$5017fee0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0cf001c6ac0d$5017fee0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7GsxzB.A.o8G.mo6vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:07:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm not really picking on any particular style of playing, technique or artistic merit here.... I've observed players and audiences for a lot years. Some have a great ability to reach an audience far beyond what I can subjectively explain. People who can pull you into their vision weather you're a fan or not.... I'm probably not explaining myself very well. I agree my connection is affected by my own emotional, mental and physical state of being, but what about those times when you hear something that totally grabs you, unexpected? Paul Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > There was a time when I would have vehemently and completely agreed > with you above, but my thinking has changed and softened up. I > believe the idea of having soul in your playing, being moved by music > and having notes grab you, is an entirely subjective and relative > notion. A piece of music can be emotionally provocative or stirring > for one person, but sterile and unmoving to another based on their > individual and unique emotional makeups. Therefore, I believe making > blanket statements about certain types of music and playing > approaches in regard to their artist merit and emotional impact are > essentially vacuous and illegitimate. If you can find me one style > of music or approach to playing that is as you say above to ALL > listeners, then I would consider your point valid and proven....good > luck with that, however. ;) It is very difficult to find or > legitimize universal or generalized value statements in art. Many > try, but end up betraying themselves in the long run for doing so. I > don't mean to come across as harsh or pedantic here, but statements > about the artistic or emotional impact of music do need to be > translated and qualified as personal and subjective sentiment, and > not factual statements that denote actual characteristics of art. In > my opinion, there is no such thing as a factual value statement about > a piece of art, only factual statements that describe measureable or > empirically observalbe characteristics of the art. Everything else I > feel falls into the personal feeling category, which is more telling > of the observer and not the piece of art. > >> Paul Haslem >> dulcimer guy in Canada > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 16:29:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 380483BF0B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060720122922.wjac3552oswws84c@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:29:22 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker References: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca> <0cf001c6ac0d$5017fee0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060720120702.4kotye1d140ksw8s@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060720120702.4kotye1d140ksw8s@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Then again, you could just dismiss my mindless, subjective rambling as I ponder why it is that sometimes when I perform people stop and go "wow! what is that???" and other times they just walk on by.... I wasn't trying to pick on anyone, and certainly wasn't trying to be offensive. Paul > > > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > >> >> There was a time when I would have vehemently and completely agreed >> with you above, but my thinking has changed and softened up. I >> believe the idea of having soul in your playing, being moved by >> music and having notes grab you, is an entirely subjective and >> relative notion. A piece of music can be emotionally provocative >> or stirring for one person, but sterile and unmoving to another >> based on their individual and unique emotional makeups. Therefore, I >> believe making blanket statements about certain types of music and >> playing approaches in regard to their artist merit and emotional >> impact are essentially vacuous and illegitimate. If you can find me >> one style of music or approach to playing that is as you say above >> to ALL listeners, then I would consider your point valid and >> proven....good luck with that, however. ;) It is very difficult to >> find or legitimize universal or generalized value statements in art. >> Many try, but end up betraying themselves in the long run for doing >> so. I don't mean to come across as harsh or pedantic here, but >> statements about the artistic or emotional impact of music do need >> to be translated and qualified as personal and subjective sentiment, >> and not factual statements that denote actual characteristics of >> art. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a factual value >> statement about a piece of art, only factual statements that >> describe measureable or empirically observalbe characteristics of >> the art. Everything else I feel falls into the personal feeling >> category, which is more telling of the observer and not the piece of >> art. >> >>> Paul Haslem >>> dulcimer guy in Canada >> >> Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 16:31:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCE2C3BF15; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d5301c6ac19$f8ea1c90$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca><0cf001c6ac0d$5017fee0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060720120702.4kotye1d140ksw8s@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:31:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3ZQXI.A.YpH.s_6vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:31:40 +0000 (UTC) I think anything you say about how any type of music affects you emotionally or intellectually is valid and undisputable, provided you say what you feel and not make it sound like an externally orientated statement that applies to everyone. It's sacred ground. It's not even open for debate because your own feelings are your own and no one else's. But once we start assuming how music affects other listeners then we are attempting to second guess the contents of a black box, viz., the minds and hearts of other people. So to say that one observes a performer reaching an audience sort of describes an impossible situation, because we don't observe the minds and feelings of people (only infer them from behavior), and quite frequently people admit that their behavior (which we can observe) does not always correspond 1-to-1 with emotional and thought. This is why cognitive psychology is not hard science and relies on models rather than direct observation of their object of study. Hard core behaviorists, on the other hand, deny the existence of mind, and directly observe their objects of study. When I hear something that totally grabs me, I can never assume that it does the same for someone else. That event is a private affair. And this is why we see so many arguments online that go no where and don't get resolved, because one person is describing their private affair, and another their own private affair, yet both are stated as something public or generic, which is taken negatively by the other person. Half the time, when I see people argue online here on this list, if they communicated their thoughts and feelings accurately from the outset, they would discover that there was nothing to argue about. I fall back to our dear German linguistic/analytic philosopher Wittgenstein's view on the matter, which is there are no arguments, only language games. Once people define their terms up front and express themselves accurately, there is nothing left to dispute, because they realize that they are disputing apples and oranges. I've always loved that reflection on disputes. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker > I'm not really picking on any particular style of playing, technique or > artistic > merit here.... I've observed players and audiences for a lot years. Some > have a > great ability to reach an audience far beyond what I can subjectively > explain. > People who can pull you into their vision weather you're a fan or not.... > I'm > probably not explaining myself very well. > I agree my connection is affected by my own emotional, mental and physical > state > of being, but what about those times when you hear something that totally > grabs > you, unexpected? > > Paul > > > > > > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > >> >> There was a time when I would have vehemently and completely agreed with >> you above, but my thinking has changed and softened up. I believe the >> idea of having soul in your playing, being moved by music and having >> notes grab you, is an entirely subjective and relative notion. A piece >> of music can be emotionally provocative or stirring for one person, but >> sterile and unmoving to another based on their individual and unique >> emotional makeups. Therefore, I believe making blanket statements about >> certain types of music and playing approaches in regard to their artist >> merit and emotional impact are essentially vacuous and illegitimate. If >> you can find me one style of music or approach to playing that is as you >> say above to ALL listeners, then I would consider your point valid and >> proven....good luck with that, however. ;) It is very difficult to find >> or legitimize universal or generalized value statements in art. Many try, >> but end up betraying themselves in the long run for doing so. I don't >> mean to come across as harsh or pedantic here, but statements about the >> artistic or emotional impact of music do need to be translated and >> qualified as personal and subjective sentiment, and not factual >> statements that denote actual characteristics of art. In my opinion, >> there is no such thing as a factual value statement about a piece of art, >> only factual statements that describe measureable or empirically >> observalbe characteristics of the art. Everything else I feel falls into >> the personal feeling category, which is more telling of the observer and >> not the piece of art. >> >>> Paul Haslem >>> dulcimer guy in Canada >> >> Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 16:43:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CCC73BF11; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Marsh" To: Subject: RC-50 and Feedback Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:43:05 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c6ac1b$933eaad0$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: Acarqu+lO9fVFxJFSdSFBEteymi0iwAA7gRQABq8f5A= In-reply-to: <20060720035047.WBIF985.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Hello All - I know there is a lot of traffic already on this topic, but maybe you'll forgive one more contribution. As I understand it, and clearly I'm not a veteran looper, feedback is used to fade out parts of a phrase while other parts continue. This is done for musical reasons and sometimes because loops get "too dense". Do I have that right? If so, then a simple strategy for using the RC-50 in this way is to use FADE on stopping a loop. Recall that you have 3 separate phrases available, so that as one phrase fades out you can be looping on another. It's easy enough to erase a loop while another is playing so you could rotate the three phrases at will. Maybe you could reserve one phrase of the three for rhythm or other base music, and cycle two phrases for fading. I've tried both strategies and they work well. The RC-50 is a deep unit, which is both a blessing and a curse. Clearly you need to spend time with it to get maximum benefit from it, but hey, I've spent 35 years with my guitar(s) and *still* haven't mastered it. In my opinion, the RC-50 is extremely musical and flexible, but so are other units. "It's In The Way That You Use It". Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 16:43:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E1773BF1D; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:42:59 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6ac1b$90d4afb0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <44BF9844.7020403@mhorse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcasC+fJ5/dAbxm8Q3O2zTgZGMc3SwAD5wzA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Looking forward to your contribution! Rainer > I'm late to the game, but let me say what a terrific idea > this is. I enjoyed the 15-some loops for quite a while last From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 16:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE233BF17; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Marsh" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 and Feedback Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:54:44 -0700 Message-ID: <006501c6ac1d$33ce8780$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: Acarqu+lO9fVFxJFSdSFBEteymi0iwAA7gRQABq8f5AAANiPsA== In-reply-to: <006101c6ac1b$933eaad0$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:54:41 +0000 (UTC) And thinking about it a little more, since you have 3 phrases (loops) available you can spread your single phrase out across three and bring them in as is musically useful. Fading and reverse seem to be very nice in this context. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Marsh [mailto:michaelmarsh@san.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 and Feedback Hello All - I know there is a lot of traffic already on this topic, but maybe you'll forgive one more contribution. As I understand it, and clearly I'm not a veteran looper, feedback is used to fade out parts of a phrase while other parts continue. This is done for musical reasons and sometimes because loops get "too dense". Do I have that right? If so, then a simple strategy for using the RC-50 in this way is to use FADE on stopping a loop. Recall that you have 3 separate phrases available, so that as one phrase fades out you can be looping on another. It's easy enough to erase a loop while another is playing so you could rotate the three phrases at will. Maybe you could reserve one phrase of the three for rhythm or other base music, and cycle two phrases for fading. I've tried both strategies and they work well. The RC-50 is a deep unit, which is both a blessing and a curse. Clearly you need to spend time with it to get maximum benefit from it, but hey, I've spent 35 years with my guitar(s) and *still* haven't mastered it. In my opinion, the RC-50 is extremely musical and flexible, but so are other units. "It's In The Way That You Use It". Mike From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B5993BEF3; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d7b01c6ac1e$48b69740$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca><0cf001c6ac0d$5017fee0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><20060720120702.4kotye1d140ksw8s@www.wightman.ca> <20060720122922.wjac3552oswws84c@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:02:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <6rjEoD.A.82B.oc7vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:02:32 +0000 (UTC) No offense taken. It's part of working out the understanding and getting clear on what we mean. What you describe below is one of the things I find so fascinating about music and art, and why I believe it is such an amazing thing to do. We can all expect to excite, bore, offend, piss off, intrigue, fascinate, stimulate, turn on, repulse, put to sleep, motivate, influence, etc, etc, all sorts of people with our music. That's part of the landscape. Being a musician and performer, we have to accept that some people will simply abhore or dislike our music....but remember, this says nothing about your music inherently, but about the subjective reaction of the listener. When we confuse these two things, then we start degrading our art unnecessarily and unfairly. And the same goes for positive responses. People will rave about a particular artist or piece of music, and that artist will in turn use that reaction to promote their music as if it possessed that inherent positive quality, but in fact it all about the listener and not the music. This opens up the likelihood of some dishonest marketing. This diversity of reactions from listeners torments some artists (who strive for so called "perfection") and mass acceptance of their artform, but quickens others who thrive on diverse reactions to their art. In the end, it is what it is. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker > Then again, you could just dismiss my mindless, subjective rambling as I > ponder > why it is that sometimes when I perform people stop and go "wow! what is > that???" and other times they just walk on by.... > > I wasn't trying to pick on anyone, and certainly wasn't trying to be > offensive. > > Paul > > > > > >> >> >> Quoting Krispen Hartung : >> >>> >>> There was a time when I would have vehemently and completely agreed with >>> you above, but my thinking has changed and softened up. I believe the >>> idea of having soul in your playing, being moved by music and having >>> notes grab you, is an entirely subjective and relative notion. A piece >>> of music can be emotionally provocative or stirring for one person, but >>> sterile and unmoving to another based on their individual and unique >>> emotional makeups. Therefore, I believe making blanket statements about >>> certain types of music and playing approaches in regard to their artist >>> merit and emotional impact are essentially vacuous and illegitimate. If >>> you can find me one style of music or approach to playing that is as you >>> say above to ALL listeners, then I would consider your point valid and >>> proven....good luck with that, however. ;) It is very difficult to find >>> or legitimize universal or generalized value statements in art. Many >>> try, but end up betraying themselves in the long run for doing so. I >>> don't mean to come across as harsh or pedantic here, but statements >>> about the artistic or emotional impact of music do need to be translated >>> and qualified as personal and subjective sentiment, and not factual >>> statements that denote actual characteristics of art. In my opinion, >>> there is no such thing as a factual value statement about a piece of >>> art, only factual statements that describe measureable or empirically >>> observalbe characteristics of the art. Everything else I feel falls into >>> the personal feeling category, which is more telling of the observer and >>> not the piece of art. >>> >>>> Paul Haslem >>>> dulcimer guy in Canada >>> >>> Kris >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:06:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BCCD3BF0B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UQtC7Y2pvuCoqI+GuWHazF2laQw7v1658tpRpY1JL2BoF9ZBp2eOHCFi6rGroHRYKpkEdpBBnVPQFwlxFpED13VDm2lfc7sXaXAZdOMRaTZ+MUE5ClzystTlSJRCF3Maubnu3WReAc5jlvzjMJWBJ5rMqLyIn+OYnKdM0Ck3Ny4= ; Message-ID: <20060720170630.33998.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) --- mech wrote: > to > finally have that and have the product come sooooooo > close, but then > in the end to *just* miss the mark -- that's what is > so frustrating. > I guess maybe we just wait for the RC-70 then...? > > --m I couldn't agree with you more on all points. Excellent post. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:08:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310F23BF00; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <3f4.76afafe.31f11279@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:08:09 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f4.76afafe.31f11279_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:08:13 +0000 (UTC) --part1_3f4.76afafe.31f11279_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just a bit to add to buzap's post on this subject. i've been a bit of a squeeky wheel on this glitch issue, but i wanted to just add for kimmo that you can "play through" the first beat of the playback of your newly recorded phrase/loop to cover up the "hiccup" which indeed goes away after the first playback. (if you've nailed the exit/entry points). since i often work with looping fingerpicked guitar passages, i find this a big pain to deal with, and i anxiously await the software update. how this was found acceptable by roland in the first place, i'll never know. how big an issue it is for you would be influenced by what you kind of music are trying to loop. john --part1_3f4.76afafe.31f11279_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just a bit to add to buzap's post on th= is subject.  i've been a bit of a squeeky wheel on this glitch issue,=20= but i wanted to just add  for kimmo that you can "play through" the fi= rst beat of the playback of your newly recorded phrase/loop to cover up the=20= "hiccup" which indeed goes away after the first playback.  (if you've=20= nailed the exit/entry points).  since i often work with looping finger= picked guitar passages, i find this a big pain to deal with, and i anxiously= await the software update.  how this was found acceptable by roland i= n the first place, i'll never know.  how big an issue it is for you wo= uld be influenced by what you kind of music are trying to loop.

    john     --part1_3f4.76afafe.31f11279_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:17:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ECFB3BF1A; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <262.d74ba1c.31f114c0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:17:52 EDT Subject: Re: Boops and Beeps (was Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_262.d74ba1c.31f114c0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) --part1_262.d74ba1c.31f114c0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/19/06 11:51:04 PM, hqr@cox.net writes: > but continuing to add layers without being able to reduce > the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to refer to this as the > "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative. > i think to work without feedback calls forth both creativity and an artistic bent to pull it off, rather than adding "layers" perhaps think more in terms of adding the occasional "sound".....and never forget "undo is for sissies!".....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_262.d74ba1c.31f114c0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 7/19/06 11:51:04 PM, hqr@cox.net writes:


    but continuing to add= layers without being able to reduce
    the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to refer to this as the
    "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative.


    i think to work without feedback calls forth both creativity and an artis= tic bent to pull it off, rather than adding "layers" perhaps think more in t= erms of adding the occasional "sound".....and never forget "undo is for siss= ies!".....:)m



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    http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
     --part1_262.d74ba1c.31f114c0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:28:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 420F53BF1F; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2848.128.193.37.230.1153416499.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca> References: <20060720081950.22637.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060720082459.01c853e0@mail.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:28:23 +0000 (UTC) > It's always been a great mystery to me how some performers can be so > technically brilliant but soulless, some people have the ability to make > every note reach inside and grab you. Why are some people my friends and others my enemies? How does someone new say or do something that touches me so deeply I feel that I've known them all my life? Music is that. There's grace and beauty but the rest is a mysterious chemistry. Peace, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:39:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50ED3BF02; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zShDtfsWQ5XPcoQOQWsqXFM9lVCH/hWfsMa5OIGzrfHIqsj+9t9y4ueYktnpEQNPyhhDibQYxuaIrNIPqWT8LFAU8IrMUOObFy0eUk6CJU7ogR+i3kuX0tn+uWq6Wg59A23sWmUeyYsvjq4cUCBMbuAZGwIV7LPAuUhiMPi7AZY= ; Message-ID: <20060720173930.94157.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:39:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Foot or face? Where do you like it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:39:31 +0000 (UTC) --- Michael Plishka wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but having this all on the > floor for a live gig > where one does things other than looping is more of > a hindrance, isn't it? Good point. There is an issue with any piece of music gear (unless you're a vocalist) that is designed to be used at the same time one is performing. Unlike the Squonshilius on FUUUMO 5, we only have two digited limbs with decent articulation. (damn these useless toes!) So. We want loopers. We want loopers with features. LOTs of features. But we want them to be simple and easy to control. But we also want to smile at our audience (er, well I just show videos to get around all this). How do we get this to happen? Right now I'm at a point with Mobius where each button on my FCB1010 has been assigned... but there are still functions I want to be able to easily control with my feet. Set up another bank? I don't like this. I feel it starts to get too confusing. Another controller? Not enough floor real estate. So what should I do? Probably I'll do what I do with my Repeater: keep less used functionality on the unit and must have stuff on the floor. I don't like this compromise, but I don't see another way. Maybe it's God's way of telling me I should keep things more simple... wait, didn't Trent tell me he died? Oh well. I do think one of the Repeater's strengths was it's super nice interface. It didn't take long for me to get comfortable with it and other than a few blunders with the interface it became a no brainer after a while. Really the best performances I've seen by loopers are That One Guy, Kid Beyond, Brian Kenny Fresno, Amy X and Laurie Anderson... all who are doing well structured songs. Hmm... what does that mean? Not a single one ever bent down to tweak a pedal, that's for sure. I'm not familar enough with the RC's to know if you can do most of what you need without bending over, but they sure had better. Also, Electro-Harmonix, are you listening? Why do you make pedals that need pedals? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:43:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8F93BF0B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BFC0B5.2030407@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:43:17 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? References: <000301c6ac1b$90d4afb0$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000301c6ac1b$90d4afb0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070108060503000201050908" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:43:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070108060503000201050908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Rainer, I did finally put one up late last night, and I saw a few other new ones too. Happy to be in such good company...I hope everyone here joins in. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Looking forward to your contribution! > > Rainer > > >> I'm late to the game, but let me say what a terrific idea >> this is. I enjoyed the 15-some loops for quite a while last >> > > > > > --------------070108060503000201050908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Rainer, I did finally put one up late last night, and I saw a few other new ones too. Happy to be in such good company...I hope everyone here joins in.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    Looking forward to your contribution!

	Rainer 

  
    I'm late to the game, but let me say what a terrific idea 
this is. I enjoyed the 15-some loops for quite a while last

    --------------070108060503000201050908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD81C3BF0A; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2903.128.193.37.230.1153417692.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <00a401c6abe6$3628a920$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <00a401c6abe6$3628a920$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: EH2880 on video From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:48:13 +0000 (UTC) > For those who like me haven't the opportunity to test the EH 2880, there is > now a video on sonicstate. > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3265 So the EH2880 doesn't have a multiply function? Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:49:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F07413BF07; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Marsh" To: Subject: RE: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:49:50 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C6ABEA.39F9B180" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcasJBNY2yoHFQJYRx+FoxI6Q4V4NAAALwZA In-reply-to: <44BFC0B5.2030407@mhorse.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C6ABEA.39F9B180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I came late to the game, so I don't know where/how to upload a contribution. Could somebody re-post the instructions? Thanks! Mike _____ From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? hey Rainer, I did finally put one up late last night, and I saw a few other new ones too. Happy to be in such good company...I hope everyone here joins in. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com Looking forward to your contribution! Rainer I'm late to the game, but let me say what a terrific idea this is. I enjoyed the 15-some loops for quite a while last ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C6ABEA.39F9B180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C6ABEA.39F9B180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:58:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2AC43BF11; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rTuTFl0cg7Qbnv/tunUArm6oq6T2mnbPYRi1UvWEk3SIuxBzJ/cMH/Bvzmcx6jf1; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006742018243690@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b4526a0da3533d434ab8affdfbbcf8f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Have you ever listened to a piece of music while in a foul/unreceptive mood, hated it, and then been blown away upon a second, better, listen? This happened to me enough times to realize that maybe the musical "truths" are all simply a matter of perception, as Kris says. One person's transcendent ticket to joy is another person's infantile, boring twaddle. I guess having a professional music critic in my band, an acerbic critic who hates at least half of my favorite bands, has also made this clear. Peace, Tim M > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 7/20/2006 1:28:23 PM > Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker > > > It's always been a great mystery to me how some performers can be so > > technically brilliant but soulless, some people have the ability to make > > every note reach inside and grab you. > > Why are some people my friends and others my enemies? How does someone new say > or do something that touches me so deeply I feel that I've known them all my > life? Music is that. There's grace and beauty but the rest is a mysterious > chemistry. > > Peace, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 17:58:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06E393BF00; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:58:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Here you go: All streamed here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Krispen Hartung - Boise - Idaho - USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Marsh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: RE: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? I came late to the game, so I don't know where/how to upload a contribution. Could somebody re-post the instructions? Thanks! Mike From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? hey Rainer, I did finally put one up late last night, and I saw a few other new ones too. Happy to be in such good company...I hope everyone here joins in. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com Looking forward to your contribution! Rainer I'm late to the game, but let me say what a terrific idea this is. I enjoyed the 15-some loops for quite a while last From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:02:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56EC43BF14; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Marsh" To: Subject: RE: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:02:25 -0700 Message-ID: <007701c6ac26$a7ec3e10$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcasJjLwmYUZKS/dS8eiIUGfEsnApgAAGroA In-reply-to: <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <7iH6NC.A.C5G.yU8vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks so much. I will upload something tonight... Mike -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Here you go: All streamed here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Krispen Hartung - Boise - Idaho - USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Marsh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: RE: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? I came late to the game, so I don't know where/how to upload a contribution. Could somebody re-post the instructions? Thanks! Mike From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? hey Rainer, I did finally put one up late last night, and I saw a few other new ones too. Happy to be in such good company...I hope everyone here joins in. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com Looking forward to your contribution! Rainer I'm late to the game, but let me say what a terrific idea this is. I enjoyed the 15-some loops for quite a while last From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:07:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269A93BF23; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HP8XId5YpFfgOM82Iy9OjalB61byGODF2FQORW3PgHVXolCDSTSxVi+ZFOKHE7Jf; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006742018120360@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Foot or face? Where do you like it? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:12:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ceb617ddce8b62949f7c4a5722a9fadb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:07:39 +0000 (UTC) One bit of obvious advice that I'd like to add... When designing and configuring your performance rig, ALWAYS allow for two things: 1. the paralyzing curse of Stage Fright, which can cut your IQ in half, aaaaaaand, 2. Murphy's Law Cheers, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: mark sottilaro > To: > Date: 7/20/2006 1:39:31 PM > Subject: Foot or face? Where do you like it? > > --- Michael Plishka wrote: > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but having this all on the > > floor for a live gig > > where one does things other than looping is more of > > a hindrance, isn't it? > > Good point. There is an issue with any piece of music > gear (unless you're a vocalist) that is designed to be > used at the same time one is performing. Unlike the > Squonshilius on FUUUMO 5, we only have two digited > limbs with decent articulation. (damn these useless > toes!) > > So. We want loopers. We want loopers with features. > LOTs of features. But we want them to be simple and > easy to control. But we also want to smile at our > audience (er, well I just show videos to get around > all this). How do we get this to happen? > > Right now I'm at a point with Mobius where each button > on my FCB1010 has been assigned... but there are still > functions I want to be able to easily control with my > feet. Set up another bank? I don't like this. I > feel it starts to get too confusing. Another > controller? Not enough floor real estate. So what > should I do? Probably I'll do what I do with my > Repeater: keep less used functionality on the unit and > must have stuff on the floor. I don't like this > compromise, but I don't see another way. Maybe it's > God's way of telling me I should keep things more > simple... wait, didn't Trent tell me he died? Oh > well. > > I do think one of the Repeater's strengths was it's > super nice interface. It didn't take long for me to > get comfortable with it and other than a few blunders > with the interface it became a no brainer after a > while. > > Really the best performances I've seen by loopers are > That One Guy, Kid Beyond, Brian Kenny Fresno, Amy X > and Laurie Anderson... all who are doing well > structured songs. Hmm... what does that mean? Not a > single one ever bent down to tweak a pedal, that's for > sure. I'm not familar enough with the RC's to know if > you can do most of what you need without bending over, > but they sure had better. Also, Electro-Harmonix, are > you listening? Why do you make pedals that need > pedals? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:14:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E29B3BF27; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=a7cxdKoadvmeZ1TGxnrUUNF3fCaf4bFufyqPMVLhJRHtMSfv5ondWXZgvewYrveq; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067420181821210@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boops and Beeps (was Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:18:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401b1127a7dde1023dacdf55aaa2de2a1b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:14:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII A friend of mine added a toggle switch to his tape echo so he could defeat the erase head, thereby allowing him to keep recording until he had a wonderful smushed-up sonic mess. Can modern equipment do that? My MPX-500's "Infinite Reverb" patch does something vaguely similar... I just play one big chord and it becomes that sci-fi rocket or jet sound effect, getting bassier and louder until I have to switch patches to keep my amp from detonating (LOL). I love that box immensely in spite of its criminally awful signal-to-noise ratio. BTW, anyone have any ideas for de-hissing a Lexi-box? ~TimM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 7/20/2006 1:17:59 PM Subject: Re: Boops and Beeps (was Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)) In a message dated 7/19/06 11:51:04 PM, hqr@cox.net writes: but continuing to add layers without being able to reduce the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to refer to this as the "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative. i think to work without feedback calls forth both creativity and an artistic bent to pull it off, rather than adding "layers" perhaps think more in terms of adding the occasional "sound".....and never forget "undo is for sissies!".....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    A friend of mine added a toggle switch to his tape echo so he could defeat the erase head, thereby allowing him to keep recording until he had a wonderful smushed-up sonic mess. Can modern equipment do that? My MPX-500's "Infinite Reverb" patch does something vaguely similar... I just play one big chord and it becomes that sci-fi rocket or jet sound effect, getting bassier and louder until I have to switch patches to keep my amp from detonating (LOL). I love that box immensely in spite of its criminally awful signal-to-noise ratio. BTW, anyone have any ideas for de-hissing a Lexi-box?
    ~TimM
     
     
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    In a message dated 7/19/06 11:51:04 PM, hqr@cox.net writes:


    but continuing to add layers without being able to reduce
    the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to refer to this as the
    "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative.


    i think to work without feedback calls forth both creativity and an artistic bent to pull it off, rather than adding "layers" perhaps think more in terms of adding the occasional "sound".....and never forget "undo is for sissies!".....:)m



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    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:32:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7837E3BF1D; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e0001c6ac2a$ca4e97b0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <410-22006742018243690@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:31:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) You got it. When I first heard Phish, I disliked them. Then a year later they were my favorite band. Something happened in my head that changed how I felt about what I heard. That black box is a mysterious thing. As you say, there are "truths" like "Song A makes me feel X", but another person may say "Song A does not make me feel X, but Y". Of course, putting those two statements side by side, they contradict each other, but that isn't a problem if you restrict them to facts of personal feeling rather than actual characteristics of music. IF we are talking about actual inherent or instrinsic characteristics of music, then it would be impossibe for a piece of music to be both X and Not-X. That's absurd....a does-not-compute. So there is no single truth about the value of a single piece of music, only individual truths that may or may not be consistent with each other, and which correspond to states of affairs inside the private "black box" of thoughts and feeligs. I think I've turned this thread into a philosophical tract. Sorry. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker > Have you ever listened to a piece of music while in a foul/unreceptive > mood, hated it, and then been blown away upon a second, better, listen? > This happened to me enough times to realize that maybe the musical > "truths" > are all simply a matter of perception, as Kris says. One person's > transcendent ticket to joy is another person's infantile, boring twaddle. > I > guess having a professional music critic in my band, an acerbic critic who > hates at least half of my favorite bands, has also made this clear. > > Peace, > Tim M > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Date: 7/20/2006 1:28:23 PM >> Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker >> >> > It's always been a great mystery to me how some performers can be so >> > technically brilliant but soulless, some people have the ability to >> > make >> > every note reach inside and grab you. >> >> Why are some people my friends and others my enemies? How does someone > new say >> or do something that touches me so deeply I feel that I've known them all > my >> life? Music is that. There's grace and beauty but the rest is a > mysterious >> chemistry. >> >> Peace, >> Kevin >> www.TheNettles.com >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCC383BF1C; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0e0001c6ac2a$ca4e97b0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:35:07 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 07/20/2006 02:37:21 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:36:36 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>>I think I've turned this thread into a philosophical tract. Sorry. I've been enjoying your (dead accurate) philosophical musings all morning! Feel free to continue! >>>>>>>IF we are talking about actual inherent or instrinsic characteristics of music, then it would be impossibe for a piece of music to be both X and Not-X. A is A! http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:43:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864CC3BF1B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=shzP/ll1H2/Y8ZMAYnVElas8VtB5ELwLfoAU4T6aQqgjEoIhLKNYAZsNJyXNJFa1; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220067420184815240@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:48:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940022e0b36653eed0e5b0a1663d6c9473c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, Kris! What HE said! I have zero problem with philospohical musings. Much great art has sprung from them. ~Timbus Pretentius > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 7/20/2006 2:36:37 PM > Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker > > >>>>>>I think I've turned this thread into a philosophical tract. Sorry. > > > I've been enjoying your (dead accurate) philosophical musings all morning! > Feel free to continue! > > > > >>>>>>>IF we are talking about actual inherent or > instrinsic characteristics of music, then it would be impossibe for a piece > > of music to be both X and Not-X. > > > A is A! > > > http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:52:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E1C3BF1B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44BFD0F4.704@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:52:36 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boops and Beeps (was Feedback (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS)) References: <410-220067420181821210@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <410-220067420181821210@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050804020001080800060303" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:52:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050804020001080800060303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I don't know about "modern equipment", but just this second I'm customizing one of my cassettes so the tape path avoids the erase head, with the same results... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > A friend of mine added a toggle switch to his tape echo so he could > defeat the erase head, thereby allowing him to keep recording until he > had a wonderful smushed-up sonic mess. Can modern equipment do that? > My MPX-500's "Infinite Reverb" patch does something vaguely similar... > I just play one big chord and it becomes that sci-fi rocket or jet > sound effect, getting bassier and louder until I have to switch > patches to keep my amp from detonating (LOL). I love that box > immensely in spite of its criminally awful signal-to-noise ratio. BTW, > anyone have any ideas for de-hissing a Lexi-box? > ~TimM > --------------050804020001080800060303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I don't know about "modern equipment", but just this second I'm customizing one of my cassettes so the tape path avoids the erase head, with the same results...

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    A friend of mine added a toggle switch to his tape echo so he could defeat the erase head, thereby allowing him to keep recording until he had a wonderful smushed-up sonic mess. Can modern equipment do that? My MPX-500's "Infinite Reverb" patch does something vaguely similar... I just play one big chord and it becomes that sci-fi rocket or jet sound effect, getting bassier and louder until I have to switch patches to keep my amp from detonating (LOL). I love that box immensely in spite of its criminally awful signal-to-noise ratio. BTW, anyone have any ideas for de-hissing a Lexi-box?
    ~TimM
     

    --------------050804020001080800060303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 18:53:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DADA63BF25; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,163,1151910000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="68988008:sNHT2641237102" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC2D.A7E012CA" Subject: Handsonic ? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:52:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Handsonic ? thread-index: AcasISSUaDuVoqSRQ5a58Z+3pk4/5QAC6ukQ From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2006 18:52:31.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[A804F200:01C6AC2D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:53:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC2D.A7E012CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Anyone using handsonic? Either the fancy or cost-reduced version?=20 Of course, its not a fair comparison, but overall, how does it compare to having a variety of acoustic percussion devices? =20 Pros/Cons =3D? thanks -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC2D.A7E012CA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Handsonic ?

    Hi,
    Anyone using = handsonic? Either the fancy or cost-reduced version?
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    Pros/Cons =3D?

    thanks
    -Qua

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC2D.A7E012CA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 19:01:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0036E3BF17; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nJaNPdDwah5X/BwxcvzJPpG3UAc+P8gVuoenUfx0bBwehbnOm53e3qVKEy1okGNYg53KpDIxdApnQbZG5sMRSDeavbcc4iZQTIW8YSuY5EYUxuxmRNVdf5aduQKXZkRqebXlE2TnSQhmbh/xh013kp/lbiB7S4Yx0gsyoVoWpb4= ; Message-ID: <20060720190148.62334.qmail@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: richard moreau Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-282795380-1153422108=:60720" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:01:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-282795380-1153422108=:60720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit He will !! Don't fret !! Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: >>>>>>I think I've turned this thread into a philosophical tract. Sorry. I've been enjoying your (dead accurate) philosophical musings all morning! Feel free to continue! >>>>>>>IF we are talking about actual inherent or instrinsic characteristics of music, then it would be impossibe for a piece of music to be both X and Not-X. A is A! http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-282795380-1153422108=:60720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit He will !! Don't fret !!

    Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote:
    >>>>>>I think I've turned this thread into a philosophical tract. Sorry.


    I've been enjoying your (dead accurate) philosophical musings all morning!
    Feel free to continue!



    >>>>>>>IF we are talking about actual inherent or
    instrinsic characteristics of music, then it would be impossibe for a piece

    of music to be both X and Not-X.


    A is A!


    http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html



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Check it out. --0-282795380-1153422108=:60720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 19:02:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74EE43BF26; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060720150158.nhyhiy4j28ss4kk4@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:01:58 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker References: <410-22006742018243690@earthlink.net> <0e0001c6ac2a$ca4e97b0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0e0001c6ac2a$ca4e97b0$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Actually, this sort of thought provoking, intelligent musings from other artists are exactly what I needed to help me through the introverted spiral I fall into now and then. I hope this continues to be a place where not only technical things are discussed but the philosophical bits as well. Thanks all Paul Quoting Krispen Hartung : > You got it. When I first heard Phish, I disliked them. Then a year > later they were my favorite band. Something happened in my head that > changed how I felt about what I heard. That black box is a mysterious > thing. As you say, there are "truths" like "Song A makes me feel X", > but another person may say "Song A does not make me feel X, but Y". > Of course, putting those two statements side by side, they contradict > each other, but that isn't a problem if you restrict them to facts of > personal feeling rather than actual characteristics of music. IF we > are talking about actual inherent or instrinsic characteristics of > music, then it would be impossibe for a piece of music to be both X > and Not-X. That's absurd....a does-not-compute. So there is no > single truth about the value of a single piece of music, only > individual truths that may or may not be consistent with each other, > and which correspond to states of affairs inside the private "black > box" of thoughts and feeligs. > > I think I've turned this thread into a philosophical tract. Sorry. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 19:02:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 590F23BF28; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:02:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:02:08 +0000 (UTC) At 2:35 PM -0400 7/20/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > >I've been enjoying your (dead accurate) philosophical musings all morning! >Feel free to continue! Yep, what he said!!! >A is A! >http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html In this instance, I can't even count how many ways I disagree with Aristotelian logic as defined here (with all due respect, of course; Aristotle was still a great, great philosopher, IMNSHO). Most of those issues, however, touch on Kris' points regarding Wittgenstein's theories on language and defining your terms. "Ya change the rules, ya change the game" in other words. ;) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 19:20:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 586003BF18; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:20:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <4rGQi.A.bUG.Se9vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:20:51 +0000 (UTC) I had the orignal version and while it was full of bells and whistles and dbeams and such personally I am used to a nice single pad to touch/rub/hit and I found the tiny semi-circle square triggers too hard to get used to. I don't know much about the new one but as a devie with a single round congo type top I really liked what it could do. The rubber wasn't the same as a skin by any means but you could get it to do similar things and the built in sound collection and effects were excellent. On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Veda, Qua wrote: > Hi, > Anyone using handsonic? Either the fancy or cost-reduced version? > Of course, its not a fair comparison, but overall, how does it compare > to having a variety of acoustic percussion devices? > Pros/Cons =? > > thanks > -Qua > -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 19:26:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB4D53BF18; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2280580.1153423558885.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:25:58 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Handsonic ? Cc: Legion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:26:04 +0000 (UTC) I had a Handsonic for quite a while and really liked it. The stuff I recorded using the unit for percussion for my guitar-based stuff is still some of the most favorite stuff I've ever done, IMHO. The HPD-15 had a tendency to slide around a little bit on ones lap. I ended up purchasing the (expensive) stand to alleviate that issue. When I sold the unit, I went to regular acoustic congas which I love to play, BUT miking them everytime I wanted to record was a pain. It is much easier to run the feeds from the Handsonic to a mixer/recorder. -- Paul Richards ---- Legion wrote: > > I had the orignal version and while it was full of bells and whistles and > dbeams and such personally I am used to a nice single pad to touch/rub/hit > and I found the tiny semi-circle square triggers too hard to get used > to. I don't know much about the new one but as a devie with a single round > congo type top I really liked what it could do. The rubber wasn't the same > as a skin by any means but you could get it to do similar things and the > built in sound collection and effects were excellent. > > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Veda, Qua wrote: > > > Hi, > > Anyone using handsonic? Either the fancy or cost-reduced version? > > Of course, its not a fair comparison, but overall, how does it compare > > to having a variety of acoustic percussion devices? > > Pros/Cons =? > > > > thanks > > -Qua > > > > -- > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 19:37:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38DF3BF0F; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:10:05 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 07/20/2006 03:12:31 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:37:32 +0000 (UTC) >>>>In this instance, I can't even count how many ways I disagree with Aristotelian logic as defined here (with all due respect, of course; Aristotle was still a great, great philosopher, IMNSHO). Most of those issues, however, touch on Kris' points regarding Wittgenstein's theories on language and defining your terms. "Ya change the rules, ya change the game" in other words. ;) I mostly posted that link as a joke re: Kris's corollary of R is R! ;) But I would be interested to hear what you disagree with! mech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 07/20/2006 03:02 PM cc: Please respond to Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Loopers-Delight At 2:35 PM -0400 7/20/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > >I've been enjoying your (dead accurate) philosophical musings all morning! >Feel free to continue! Yep, what he said!!! >A is A! >http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html In this instance, I can't even count how many ways I disagree with Aristotelian logic as defined here (with all due respect, of course; Aristotle was still a great, great philosopher, IMNSHO). Most of those issues, however, touch on Kris' points regarding Wittgenstein's theories on language and defining your terms. "Ya change the rules, ya change the game" in other words. ;) --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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    >>I wouldn't need it for my laptop as much as I wou= ld need it for my tube 60 w Sovtek guitar top. It's humming a lot with sing= le coil guitars and those are what sounds cool with it.<<


    so are you attributing the hum to the guitars for sure, t= hen? is the amp quiet(er) with HBs? if so, you might want to consider some = sort of dummy pickup arrangement a la alembic.... just a thought.

    d.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC33.BEE8A4E8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 19:51:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1E433BF1B; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 332428435 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9456@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Foot or face? Where do you like it? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:51:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC35.E7C04C02" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:51:38 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC35.E7C04C02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Also, Electro-Harmonix, are you listening? Why do you make pedals that need pedals?<< it's dumb & annoying, isn't it? years ago, when we bought our first jamman, it was obvious right from the start that the thing was never going to be rack-mounted; too many things on the front panel that needed to be immediately in front of the user, but the user's a guitarist & he'd sooner quit playing than face a rack full of equipment instead of standing squarely in his spotlight. guitarists.... so we went on tv a little while after that, with the jamman sitting on the floor. at first it looked quite cool that there was this mystery box sitting propped up amongst the other pedals, but we quickly realised that his brian-may-like harmonies would be even cooler if he didn't have to crouch like a backstop to set them up. I took the jamman apart & made some little holes in the bottom of it's case, then attached it to a $30 camera tripod. job done. what EHX should have done with the 2880 is make the pedal-remote more-or-less mandatory, & bundle them together with some sort of vertical pole arrangement so that the switches live on the floor & the brains at waist-height. I'm thinking along the lines of the old EMS synthi hi-fli thing. (no it doesn't multiply, exactly.... but you can bounce tracks like on an old-style portastudio.... it also doesn't let you mute/unmute individual tracks from a footswitch, which is the biggest problem I have with it. that & the single big loop thing. I mean, what were they thinking??) in fact, were it not for the business of switching them on & off whilst playing, pretty much all of the effects pedals would benefit from being at this sort of height. hmmm.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC35.E7C04C02 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Foot or face? Where do you like it?

    >>Also, Electro-Harmonix, are you listening?  = Why do you make pedals that need pedals?<<

    it's dumb & annoying, isn't it?

    years ago, when we bought our first jamman, it was obviou= s right from the start that the thing was never going to be rack-mounted; t= oo many things on the front panel that needed to be immediately in front of= the user, but the user's a guitarist & he'd sooner quit playing than f= ace a rack full of equipment instead of standing squarely in his spotlight.= guitarists....

    so we went on tv a little while after that, with the jamm= an sitting on the floor. at first it looked quite cool that there was this = mystery box sitting propped up amongst the other pedals, but we quickly rea= lised that his brian-may-like harmonies would be even cooler if he didn't h= ave to crouch like a backstop to set them up.

    I took the jamman apart & made some little holes in t= he bottom of it's case, then attached it to a $30 camera tripod. job done.<= /FONT>

    what EHX should have done with the 2880 is make the pedal= -remote more-or-less mandatory, & bundle them together with some sort o= f vertical pole arrangement so that the switches live on the floor & th= e brains at waist-height. I'm thinking along the lines of the old EMS synth= i hi-fli thing.

    (no it doesn't multiply, exactly.... but you can bounce t= racks like on an old-style portastudio.... it also doesn't let you mute/unm= ute individual tracks from a footswitch, which is the biggest problem I hav= e with it. that & the single big loop thing. I mean, what were they thi= nking??)

    in fact, were it not for the business of switching them o= n & off whilst playing, pretty much all of the effects pedals would ben= efit from being at this sort of height.  hmmm....

    d.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC35.E7C04C02-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 20:09:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D1F3BF19; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g2qVLagAejMOVSjsfudzHew8jU4VKqYEN/b3yrh5l/JXBuYU4iyBGmRLOOKbL/D640CV14mpJPGKlQSomK5PCeZhK/Bb0gv0Ft2NJJ/fHvd9uMDkDt1O7uoTnjLobi0lagln8zsWwlohcB7UKg9ZlqNxdaNrgNCN05wV4ebw+5c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9455@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9455@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:09:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:09:21 +0000 (UTC) > >>I wouldn't need it for my laptop as much as I would need it for > my tube 60 w Sovtek guitar top. It's humming a lot with single coil > guitars and those are what sounds cool with it.<< On 20 jul 2006, at 21.38, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > so are you attributing the hum to the guitars for sure, then? is > the amp quiet(er) with HBs? if so, you might want to consider some > sort of dummy pickup arrangement a la alembic.... just a thought Yes the Russian top is not humming that heavily with HBs, you're right about that. But I kind of like the sound of vintage single coils, both with strats and teles. When playing non looping music I use a playing style to turn down the guitar volume knob between the notes I play, if necessary (can only do this on the strat). The problem is when I want to play with the cello bow and can't get at the volume knob on the guitar's body. So lately I have learned to use a volume pedal, which feels rather lame (but may sound good). I'm afraid I don't have the money for experimenting in buying new pickups either. If I should invest more in my guitar playing I would like to get some sort of six channel pickup system; one pickup for each string. Then I would like to run them into six separate laptop inputs and fetch them into six channels of Mobius (or whatever looper's around by then) to treat each channel with a monophonic distortion. To mask the latency of these polyphonic distortion I would like to blend it with a clean jazz sound (humbucker?) that can provide a proper attack since it should be played bypassing the sound card and laptop (like I'm doing it today). I have played with a similar setup back in the eighties and nineties, but then I was using a six note polyphonic analog syntheziser for the "latency" sound to back up the clean guitar sound (swelling in fat Oberheim bruurrrhphs behind the string notes). That's why I know I would like doing this with a laptop and digital stuff. But this is just a dream today, before I take that trip I want to get an EWI 4000s for looping (and I guess I will need a long time to mend those holes in my wallet ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 20:13:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6C3A3BF1F; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IQpG2E/vEFy9Lpbd+XRwGb+XRhhlNcgXqcBVL+3Ui4dCAiG4OtcemSyshGC2bwCH0Am0qvAiRO+CcxTsc3GRQtyclWtNAg0trBfn0AmN+tUEQutaY13/HvIuVMk1h/tyz3fVhv3h1NgjIwinjb19Qwkc0CKUEhdUB9nU7WO8P9w= Message-ID: <913728d60607201313o48c6af32o1e0d7abf31be2c9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:13:49 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9455@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:13:53 +0000 (UTC) i've always wanted to try a pickup-per-string experiment, i wonder if those atlansia guitars/basses can be rigged with a cheap pickup-per-string attempt, with those cool little individual pickups they have :) Charlie On 7/20/06, Per Boysen wrote: > > >>I wouldn't need it for my laptop as much as I would need it for > > my tube 60 w Sovtek guitar top. It's humming a lot with single coil > > guitars and those are what sounds cool with it.<< > > On 20 jul 2006, at 21.38, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > so are you attributing the hum to the guitars for sure, then? is > > the amp quiet(er) with HBs? if so, you might want to consider some > > sort of dummy pickup arrangement a la alembic.... just a thought > Yes the Russian top is not humming that heavily with HBs, you're > right about that. But I kind of like the sound of vintage single > coils, both with strats and teles. When playing non looping music I > use a playing style to turn down the guitar volume knob between the > notes I play, if necessary (can only do this on the strat). The > problem is when I want to play with the cello bow and can't get at > the volume knob on the guitar's body. So lately I have learned to use > a volume pedal, which feels rather lame (but may sound good). > > I'm afraid I don't have the money for experimenting in buying new > pickups either. If I should invest more in my guitar playing I would > like to get some sort of six channel pickup system; one pickup for > each string. Then I would like to run them into six separate laptop > inputs and fetch them into six channels of Mobius (or whatever > looper's around by then) to treat each channel with a monophonic > distortion. To mask the latency of these polyphonic distortion I > would like to blend it with a clean jazz sound (humbucker?) that can > provide a proper attack since it should be played bypassing the sound > card and laptop (like I'm doing it today). I have played with a > similar setup back in the eighties and nineties, but then I was using > a six note polyphonic analog syntheziser for the "latency" sound to > back up the clean guitar sound (swelling in fat Oberheim bruurrrhphs > behind the string notes). That's why I know I would like doing this > with a laptop and digital stuff. But this is just a dream today, > before I take that trip I want to get an EWI 4000s for looping (and I > guess I will need a long time to mend those holes in my wallet ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 20:42:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2523BEE9; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:42:32 +0000 Message-Id: <072020062042.7925.44BFEAB8000728E800001EF52213575333CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7925_1153428152_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:42:35 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7925_1153428152_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Another alternative would be stacked humbuckers, which maintain the narrow profile. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > >>I wouldn't need it for my laptop as much as I would need it for my tube 60 > w Sovtek guitar top. It's humming a lot with single coil guitars and those > are what sounds cool with it.<< > > > so are you attributing the hum to the guitars for sure, then? is the amp > quiet(er) with HBs? if so, you might want to consider some sort of dummy > pickup arrangement a la alembic.... just a thought. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may > not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it > in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, > please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. > > It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other > checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not > affect your systems / data. 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    >>I wouldn't need it for my laptop as much as I wou= ld need it for my tube 60 w Sovtek guitar top. It's humming a lot with sing= le coil guitars and those are what sounds cool with it.<<


    so are you attributing the hum to the guitars for sure, t= hen? is the amp quiet(er) with HBs? if so, you might want to consider some = sort of dummy pickup arrangement a la alembic.... just a thought.

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    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7925_1153428152_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7925_1153428152_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 20:48:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA5953BF0F; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:48:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: OT: Aristotle and Reality (was Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:48:31 +0000 (UTC) At 3:10 PM -0400 7/20/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > >I mostly posted that link as a joke re: Kris's corollary of R is R! ;) Oh yeah, don't worry. That was totally apparent. But it was also useful to start/continue the conversation. :) >But I would be interested to hear what you disagree with! 'Kay, a couple of quick things: according to the page, Aristotle's concept of Identity is based primarily (exclusively?) on an object's characteristics -- physical for the most part. Also important is that to him, Identity is immutable, without change. However, what if, as is the case with several tools, an object is instead defined by its function. One of the most easily accessible examples (and the one that first got me thinking about it in the first place) is actually the title of an album by Wire: "A bell is a cup, until it is struck." Thus, depending upon an object's function, its identity can change, which contradicts Aristotle's "A = A" law as explained above. Also, keep in mind that reality is largely subjective. Aristotle approaches Reality from an objective point of view. I can think of two consequences right offhand that fall from this; both as a consequence owing to the fact that the human mind is a pattern-recognition engine. The first is repeatability. Repeatability is the key to hypothesis, theory, and ultimately the whole rational world of the Scientific Method. However, there are events and objects which are non-repetetive -- one-shot only. Just as you need two points to create a line, you need multiple instances of an occurrence/object to compare and contrast, then use to create a hypothesis based upon their similarities and differences. This is the source of what is often referred to as "Fortean" phenomena -- occurrences which happen outside a known context, and do not recur with a frequency by which they can establish a context on their own. Which brings us to the second consequence.... Without multiple instances to establish context, the mind frequently manufactures analogs with which to compare the unknown object/event. I think this dovetails on Greek philosophy (Socrates?) positing that somewhere (in this case, in the mind) there is an "ultimate form" of every object, and that all instances of this form are merely shadows of that ultimate form. This is assuming there are enough characteristics inherent within that object to compare with objects previously encountered to even recognize. Aside: my suspicion -- almost wholly unprovable, of course -- is that if one were faced with something *completely* alien to their past experience or conditioning, they might not even process the sensory data. Hence, such an object may be completely undetectable, or merely sensed as an anomaly rather than fully comprehended. Using pattern recognition data, we formulate systems to assign identity to objects. However, what if instead of looking at an object as its Identity (a cup is a cup) we strip away that repeatability and recognition (this cup is, erm, what?). Look at what's there in your hand without the label "cup". Is it ceramic, plastic, or metal (yes, I know that these descriptive terms are also pattern identities -- or characteristics -- and based on similar learned responses, but I only want to go so far right now)? Pretend you're holding a new and alien object devoid of context, and you'll come much closer to experiencing the "reality" of what you're actually holding. Of course, without taking advantage of the symbols and language used by our brains in everyday life, we wouldn't be able to function. Can you comprehend what it would be like if we had to relearn every individual object and experience with which we came into contact every day? Just keep in mind that the "object" in your hand is not necessarily the object your brain has associated it to. So much for sophomore epistemology.... However, it does show that the mind has just as much a part in fabricating reality as what is directly in front of us. Aristotle often tries to codify reality into objective terns, and that's where most of my "exceptions" get there start. While his goal is a noble starting point (hell, I can't think of where else we could start -- can you imagine having a debate without ever defining common terms, or for that matter, even establishing language?), it has to be recognized that there are pitfalls and exceptions. Um, yeah. Heh, is that enough "navel gazing" to begin with? Now let's see if any of that ties back in with Kris' musings on individual subjective experiences of a musical performance, and the "black box". ;) --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 20:55:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F4C3BF12; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <8568A29D-9B92-4B7F-AD4D-990A66ABAEB9@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--971967425 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Lots of Steve Lawson gigs over the next month... Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:54:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6EKkB.A.seF.k2-vEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:55:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--971967425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just about to launch my latest project - The New Standard is a show with a marvellous jazz singer, Julie McKee, where we do looped bass and voice versions of unlikely songs, from Slipknot to Stevie Wonder, via The Cure, Green Day, Kate Bush, John Martyn, Gorillaz etc. etc... The main gigs for the duo are at the Edinburgh Festival, from the 6th - 12th August, in The Lot, The Grassmarket, Edinburgh. See www.thenewstandard.co.uk for full details. Our preview show is in London next week - it's this month's Recycle Collective gig, and the same night is my album launch for 'Behind Every Word' - there's be three sets; me solo to start, then the edinburgh show with julie, then a trio improv set with UK Jazz legend Cleveland Watkiss on vocals as well. see www.recyclecollective.com for more. I'm using the Looperlative on my bass and Julie's voice, and having loads of fun with it - have a listen to the tunes at www.thenewstandard.co.uk Julie and I have a second warm-up gig in Glasgow on August 3rd at Brel Bar and Restaurant, Ashton Lane (by the University) - that one's free to get in, and I'll be doing a solo set as well... hope to see some of you there - all details available on the various websites, or by emailing me. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-3--971967425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just about to launch my latest = project - The New Standard is a show with a marvellous jazz singer, = Julie McKee, where we do looped bass and voice versions of unlikely = songs, from Slipknot to Stevie Wonder, via The Cure, Green Day, Kate = Bush, John Martyn, Gorillaz etc. etc...=A0

    The main gigs for the duo = are at the Edinburgh Festival, from the 6th - 12th August, in The Lot, = The Grassmarket, Edinburgh. See www.thenewstandard.co.uk = for full details.=A0

    Our preview show is in = London next week - it's this month's Recycle Collective gig, and the = same night is my album launch for 'Behind Every Word' - there's be three = sets; me solo to start, then the edinburgh show with julie, then a trio = improv set with UK Jazz legend Cleveland Watkiss on vocals as well. see = www.recyclecollective.com= for more.=A0

    I'm using the Looperlative = on my bass and Julie's voice, and having loads of fun with it - have a = listen to the tunes at www.thenewstandard.co.uk=A0

    Julie and I = have a second warm-up gig in Glasgow on August 3rd at Brel Bar and = Restaurant, Ashton Lane (by the University) - that one's free to get in, = and I'll be doing a solo set as well...

    hope to see some of you = there - all details available on the various websites, or by emailing = me.=A0

    http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
    www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



    = --Apple-Mail-3--971967425-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 21:05:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 825843BF1E; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060720205501.581DD3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Identity/function Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:05:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2006 21:05:13.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[31923E30:01C6AC40] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:05:16 +0000 (UTC) I think this whole argument stumbles on the conflation of Identity with function. If I use a mule to pull a plow I may be likely to identify the mule by it's function,as a draft animal ie. a tool.I suspect the mule would be somewhat more inclined to identify itself as the victim of my urge to dominate. I prefer to define Identity as self definition ,whereas labelling something by it's function has nothing to do with identity ,it has to do with the desire of some human for utility in manipulating the world. Of course modern humans tend to distinguish between beings and things,as such tools would be considered to have no sense of self,hence no identity. Ths is part of why boot camp strips budding soldiers of their sense of identity,so it will be easier to utilise them as tools. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 21:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766A83BEFB; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9456@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9456@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:06:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: Foot or face? Where do you like it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:06:06 +0000 (UTC) At 8:51 PM +0100 7/20/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >what EHX should have done with the 2880 is make the pedal-remote >more-or-less mandatory, & bundle them together with some sort of >vertical pole arrangement so that the switches live on the floor & >the brains at waist-height. I'm thinking along the lines of the old >EMS synthi hi-fli thing. Wasn't there one of the floor-pedal Moog synths -- I'm thinking maybe the Taurus II -- that had a similar form factor? Were there any striking criticisms of that unit based on its physical construction? Otherwise, sounds like a good idea (besides perhaps looking like you've got a dust-buster on stage). --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 21:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3274A3BEFE; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:11:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Identity/function Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:11:53 +0000 (UTC) At 2:05 PM -0700 7/20/06, samba - wrote: > I think this whole argument stumbles on the conflation of >Identity with function. If I use a mule to pull a plow I may be >likely to identify the mule by it's function,as a draft animal ie. a >tool.I suspect the mule would be somewhat more inclined to identify >itself as the victim of my urge to dominate. I prefer to define >Identity as self definition ,whereas labelling something by it's >function has nothing to do with identity ,it has to do with the >desire of some human for utility in manipulating the world. Of >course modern humans tend to distinguish between beings and >things,as such tools would be considered to have no sense of >self,hence no identity. Ths is part of why boot camp strips budding >soldiers of their sense of identity,so it will be easier to utilise >them as tools. Excellent points, but how does an inanimate object "self-identify". When is a screwdriver an icepick, or even more confusingly, when is an icepick an awl? Not arguing here, because I actually agree for the most part. However, Aristotle postulated (at least according to the URL we were discussing) that Identity was immutable and without change. However, we can see from what's been presented here that if you change the ground rules of your definition, you can change the Identity of the object and thus "break" Aristotle's postulate. --m. -- _______ "I'm wasting time worrying about wasting time." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 21:24:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1119C3BEFE; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 332474290 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9457@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:24:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC42.DC9C253C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:24:31 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC42.DC9C253C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i've always wanted to try a pickup-per-string experiment, i wonder if those atlansia guitars/basses can be rigged with a cheap pickup-per-string attempt, with those cool little individual pickups they have :)<< never seen those, though it's occurred to me to use a roland gk pickup like this.... the little adaptor that they come with contains a number of op-amps to boost the signal from each of the six coils, besides the midi switchgear, suggesting that the individual coils have quite a low output. this boosted signal then finds it's way down the 14-way (? haven't looked in a while) cable to the GI-10 or w.h.y., where it gets tracked for pitch & velocity & turned into midi, about half-an-hour later..... the reason for my interest is that I have a fender VI (the oriental reissue) from which I want to get a clean sound on the bottom two or three strings & a more guitary distorted sound from the top strings. I deconstructed a gk2 & went some way towards this, but the project was interrupted by the arrival of a peavey midibase (sic), which coincidentally also has individual pickups in it's bridge to determine the velocity data. I need to revisit the VI soon.... :-) in their normal positions, these pickups would be of limited use for amplified guitar string sounds- they're put near the ends of the strings so that they don't pick up vibrations from adjacent strings as these flap about after being plucked, & also so that they pick up the bare minimum of harmonic content, thus aiding pitch extraction. if a bit of crosstalk wasn't a problem, then a gk2 would work as a polyphonic pickup further "into" the string's length, but one would probably still have to hack the GI-10 (or whatever) to extract the six boosted signals. I daresay a regular roland guitar synth module (GR-100 &c) could be hacked in the same way without ruining it. there have been some other peavey basses, & at least one hamer bass, with "quad" outputs. tom petersen's original 12 string hamer bass, for instance, is pictured with a mini four-way mixer on board &, I think, a bunch of dimarzios installed sideways. I expect there must be some guitars out there with individual outputs too. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC42.DC9C253C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on= video)

    >>i've always wanted to try a pickup-per-string exp= eriment, i wonder if those atlansia guitars/basses can be rigged with a che= ap pickup-per-string attempt, with those cool little individual pickups the= y have :)<<

    never seen those, though it's occurred to me to use a rol= and gk pickup like this.... the little adaptor that they come with contains= a number of op-amps to boost the signal from each of the six coils, beside= s the midi switchgear, suggesting that the individual coils have quite a lo= w output. this boosted signal then finds it's way down the 14-way (? haven'= t looked in a while) cable to the GI-10 or w.h.y., where it gets tracked fo= r pitch & velocity & turned into midi, about half-an-hour later....= .

    the reason for my interest is that I have a fender VI (th= e oriental reissue) from which I want to get a clean sound on the bottom tw= o or three strings & a more guitary distorted sound from the top string= s. I deconstructed a gk2 & went some way towards this, but the project = was interrupted by the arrival of a peavey midibase (sic), which coincident= ally also has individual pickups in it's bridge to determine the velocity d= ata.

    I need to revisit the VI soon.... :-)

    in their normal positions, these pickups would be of limi= ted use for amplified guitar string sounds- they're put near the ends of th= e strings so that they don't pick up vibrations from adjacent strings as th= ese flap about after being plucked, & also so that they pick up the bar= e minimum of harmonic content, thus aiding pitch extraction. if a bit of cr= osstalk wasn't a problem, then a gk2 would work as a polyphonic pickup furt= her "into" the string's length, but one would probably still have= to hack the GI-10 (or whatever) to extract the six boosted signals.=

    I daresay a regular roland guitar synth module (GR-100 &a= mp;c) could be hacked in the same way without ruining it.

    there have been some other peavey basses, & at least = one hamer bass, with "quad" outputs. tom petersen's original 12 s= tring hamer bass, for instance, is pictured with a mini four-way mixer on b= oard &, I think, a bunch of dimarzios installed sideways. I expect ther= e must be some guitars out there with individual outputs too.

    d.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AC42.DC9C253C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 21:28:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39B313BF14; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=myRavLavm7AGCqY+iQCQ2pd9o84oAnnWEJ2nBZKmSPuFl7/bD6q1DYQQsQr1Flq/TV0MPt97ilcfKyiOthnCSXtlp+BgKX3oTC7U9Wz4j7JfIWn/GVABXSHilgHfUGEX9ayTcqBYFazQDQqvYM42drAlF6bwyxzXst9jWZuL8uQ= Message-ID: <913728d60607201428o5bd00bc0s2a75347907e24df6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:28:41 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9457@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9457@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:28:43 +0000 (UTC) On 7/20/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > never seen those, http://www.atlansia.jp/ or more specifically -> http://www.atlansia.jp/4B02.7.JPG basically if you check out their site, they put those little individual pickups anywhere they want to...i think it'd be interesting to get a hold of some of those pickups and try individual outputs... > there have been some other peavey basses, & at least one hamer bass, with > "quad" outputs. tom petersen's original 12 string hamer bass, for instance, > is pictured with a mini four-way mixer on board &, I think, a bunch of > dimarzios installed sideways. I expect there must be some guitars out there > with individual outputs too. i know the peavey cyber-bass is one of those From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 20 23:24:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04D3A3BEEC; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4345.128.193.37.230.1153437844.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Zoe Keating Radio on Pandora.com From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Could someone on the list try this out and let me know if it works? Zoe Keating Radio To immediately listen to this music station I've created (named "Zoe Keating Radio") simply click on this link or copy and paste it into your Internet browser: http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh142293524951897341 This station plays on Pandora, a music listening and discovery service. Pandora enables users to easily create streaming stations that explore their favorite parts of the music universe. When you click on the link, you'll automatically receive a free no-questions-asked trial so you can listen to this station--and create some more of your own. Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 00:13:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D29C3BEE6; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EZHxO2hfkBidXw4p2mIDrj9Z71J0pTLAWjqhllWwdF+Pi4/g6ZPoycRv8hd4S9s8Oc/DsrRHNwAxhTw1Zj+G+eLU0K48b8jDalBwknF2oGpqJAc00Z5i0WQ9pX4hFt9EjlebgrFIG0/M7LI+/ZFkhO7ttkOiWyaPx9yLAwtsHDk= Message-ID: <913728d60607201713n29de88b6k3cd647324acd0576@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:13:27 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zoe Keating Radio on Pandora.com In-Reply-To: <4345.128.193.37.230.1153437844.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4345.128.193.37.230.1153437844.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:13:29 +0000 (UTC) very cool :) Zoe is a very talented cellist :) Charlie On 7/20/06, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Could someone on the list try this out and let me know if it works? > > Zoe Keating Radio > > To immediately listen to this music station I've created (named "Zoe Keating > Radio") simply click on this link or copy and paste it into your Internet > browser: > http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh142293524951897341 > > This station plays on Pandora, a music listening and discovery service. > Pandora enables users to easily create streaming stations that explore their > favorite parts of the music universe. When you click on the link, you'll > automatically receive a free no-questions-asked trial so you can listen to > this station--and create some more of your own. > > Thanks, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > > From suspension@epassporte.com Fri Jul 21 01:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3509 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:14:34 UTC Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269FA3BEDD for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ibm64aec.bellsouth.net ([72.156.29.4]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060721001559.PIIC18287.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm64aec.bellsouth.net>; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:15:59 -0400 Received: from biggeo ([72.156.29.4]) by ibm64aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060721001559.MJLH16539.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@biggeo>; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:15:59 -0400 From: Subject: ePassporte Account Suspended Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:15:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20060721001559.MJLH16539.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@biggeo> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Untitled Document

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 01:49:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAFBE3BEE0; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OXNtjkaF+g9NDYay/B531C/K2Yhsg6WgRQiM3rMu0yx3MrQKfA+B0+tCP44mYUqd; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200675211542740@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:54:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94074de940e6303195cd2b4a2d79b8b77d7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.202 Resent-Message-ID: <4NEPoB.A.KXC.0KDwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Strat-sized side-by-side pickups are a great alternative to stacks. The Duncan Vintage Rails is a fine, fine pickup, and the Nashville-approved Hot Stack is a real joy as well. Just be advised that while Duncans are well constructed and sound wonderful, the potting is half-assed at best, so you'll have to have your luthier wax any Duncans you buy. Best, TimM > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 7/20/2006 4:42:35 PM > Subject: RE: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) > > Another alternative would be stacked humbuckers, which maintain the narrow profile. > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > > >>I wouldn't need it for my laptop as much as I would need it for my tube 60 > > w Sovtek guitar top. It's humming a lot with single coil guitars and those > > are what sounds cool with it.<< > > > > > > so are you attributing the hum to the guitars for sure, then? is the amp > > quiet(er) with HBs? if so, you might want to consider some sort of dummy > > pickup arrangement a la alembic.... just a thought. > > > > d. > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > > be privileged. 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Basically Aristotle was going against Plato's theory of the forms (it was not Socrates, btw) that matter and form can be separated, elevating form (or essence) to the etheral status of a non-physical Universal concept...like Chairness, Redness, Justice, Goodness, etc...or maybe even Idiotness. :) Aristotle rejected that and said you could not separate matter from form, hence why his theory of identify was so strict in terms of binding characteristics to things. Yet Aristotle wasn't able to foresee what John Locke developed nearly 2000 years later, namely the notion of primary and secondary qualities. Qualities such as color and smell are secondary qualities of things. They aren't essential to it's being or identiy. The only essential properties a thing can have, according to this particular line of once brilliant scientific revolution thought are physical properties of mass, extension, etc. Interestingly enough, one can't observe primary qualities, only secondary ones....hence the introduction of the Unknown X as a physical object. In any event, according to the above and bringing this back to music, what you think you are hearing when you listen to a performance is not even close to a primary quality, but is far removed from it. In fact, taking this further, what you hear is the result of a chain of cause and effect from a set of unobservable physical objects generating fluctuations of air pressure, which propagate through the air, reach the human ear, vibrate the ear drum, generate a neurological response and impluse through axons, make it to the brain, and eventually arise as a mental "perception"...so ridiculously far removed from the so called physical event, that one can only suggest, in this theory at least, that music is only in the mind. Now enters Berkely who contracted Locke with his theory of Idealism or Immaterialsm...pretty cool theory imo. But this is all passé philosophy, based on the causal theory of perception and realism. Along came phenomenalism (NOT phenomenology, which is radically different and out in the weeds), which states that all the action is in the sense data, which is metaphysically neutral. It simply is, neither physical nor non-physical, mental nor external, primary nor secondary. A looping performance from the listener's standpoint is then defined as a collection and series of sensory data....no more than that. And back to my original point, in that collection you never come across anything like a value like good or bad, uninspiring, etc...that's quite unthinkable. Man, I love this shit....I'll never be able to get to sleep now. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker >>>>>>>I think I've turned this thread into a philosophical tract. Sorry. > > > I've been enjoying your (dead accurate) philosophical musings all morning! > Feel free to continue! > > > >>>>>>>>IF we are talking about actual inherent or > instrinsic characteristics of music, then it would be impossibe for a > piece > > of music to be both X and Not-X. > > > A is A! > > > http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 05:02:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C10AA3BEEA; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c6ac82$dd28c380$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Aristotle and Reality (was Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:02:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:02:30 +0000 (UTC) > Also, keep in mind that reality is largely subjective. Aristotle > approaches Reality from an objective point of view. I can think of two > consequences right offhand that fall from this; both as a consequence > owing to the fact that the human mind is a pattern-recognition engine. Yes! That is a key point. Aristotle had to bind qualities to essense, otherwise he couldn't have done what he did so well, which was to categorize things and arrange them in a natural hierarchy.....which ended up influencing the concent of "The Chain of Being", which by the way was partially responsible for generating anti-evolutionary sentiments during the hay day of Darwin, Lamarch, etc. A species was considered fixed and immutable on this chain of being. Of course, they had no idea of genetics until Mendel's pea experiments came along, which showed that species were mutable over time based on the mutation and mixing of the units of heredity. Figuratively speaking, Aristotle was rolling in his grave and the Greek philosopher Hericlitus, known for his theory of the flux (that all things change), was screaming horray!!!! Hericlitus would have been a great looper. :) K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 06:07:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE4BB3BEE8; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J8cyuDMmTAXkRlaHaG3r8PkSPMDkvjiH1747WpZ62CK/VyyvV2NyHa/E+OJjEvUbyzjm81YilMLBCRjolEf9jMlNhnq6ivStKVo7VEcaj4CJWS1ukoyfYaPJxSF6OxBb861/jPXXkvL4s7XYZnzlg3uu9UcF6FE2/PUYCAM2Dcc= ; Message-ID: <20060721060726.21555.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:07:26 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Aristotle and Reality (was Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003901c6ac82$dd28c380$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3UqSUB.A.62F.g8GwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:07:28 +0000 (UTC) i like to apply a little perpetual motion on a hericlitus...who shot ole harry clit anyhow?tragic. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Also, keep in mind that reality is largely > subjective. Aristotle > > approaches Reality from an objective point of > view. I can think of two > > consequences right offhand that fall from this; > both as a consequence > > owing to the fact that the human mind is a > pattern-recognition engine. > > Yes! That is a key point. Aristotle had to bind > qualities to essense, > otherwise he couldn't have done what he did so well, > which was to categorize > things and arrange them in a natural > hierarchy.....which ended up > influencing the concent of "The Chain of Being", > which by the way was > partially responsible for generating > anti-evolutionary sentiments during the > hay day of Darwin, Lamarch, etc. A species was > considered fixed and > immutable on this chain of being. Of course, they > had no idea of genetics > until Mendel's pea experiments came along, which > showed that species were > mutable over time based on the mutation and mixing > of the units of heredity. > Figuratively speaking, Aristotle was rolling in his > grave and the Greek > philosopher Hericlitus, known for his theory of the > flux (that all things > change), was screaming horray!!!! > > Hericlitus would have been a great looper. :) > > K- > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 08:03:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 506383BEEC; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.235.213] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <9BDDA7E2-79D0-4AF3-ADE5-76399B8E9C6B@gmail.com> From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:03:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 08:03:39.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CA2F2F0:01C6AC9C] Resent-Message-ID: <9JooXC.A.1QC.cpIwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:03:41 +0000 (UTC) unsuscribe >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:06:47 +0200 > >On 19 jul 2006, at 09.34, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >>I just saw this, and I know there are those interested in lidell...... >>http://www.cycling74.com/download/videos/jamie_lidell_web.mov >>or >>http://tinyurl.com/ldgns >>also other interesting new videos, including Kevin Blechdom: >>http://www.cycling74.com/section/artists > > >Thank you for that link! Very interesting to hear his take on max. Right >now I'm in that situation he describes in the opening scene: having kept >Max on my shopping list for years but never actually had the option to set >aside time to get into it. And lately I've found ways to tweak Möbius into >doing most of my dream tricks, almost everything I wanted to make me a max >patch for, so I guess might be learning max on spare time in the future... >eventually. I'm lazy and frightened by having to sit down and program >(instead of making music) and I have a certain feeling that before I have >even come halfway with Max Jeff Larsson would have fully implemented a >similar function in Mobius ;-) > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > _________________________________________________________________ Retrouvez tout en un clin d'śil avec Windows Desktop Search ! http://desktop.msn.fr/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 08:53:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E553BEE4; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yBJuEnTXNt4Fnekl0W8xtwjKfB432u9xjEN7uCyt8NzYgen/xFi6J4eMiMjMdLPZNXbRXbSHgQhDz55zE8YLt5XFEMBG86In/IUctcbsjuQp/nMh/ifTT4ufnxIInnmF+rQl5dghVDrg2cAuYl8bXSTN2LWYhf7V+XJe0aLP68w= ; Message-ID: <20060721085334.68295.qmail@web55508.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Aristotle and Reality To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003901c6ac82$dd28c380$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1089951506-1153472014=:52244" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:53:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1089951506-1153472014=:52244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A quote I remember from somewhere: "The Greeks always tested every hypothesis twice - first drunk, then sober." Krispen Hartung wrote: > Also, keep in mind that reality is largely subjective. Aristotle > approaches Reality from an objective point of view. I can think of two > consequences right offhand that fall from this; both as a consequence > owing to the fact that the human mind is a pattern-recognition engine. Yes! That is a key point. Aristotle had to bind qualities to essense, otherwise he couldn't have done what he did so well, which was to categorize things and arrange them in a natural hierarchy.....which ended up influencing the concent of "The Chain of Being", which by the way was partially responsible for generating anti-evolutionary sentiments during the hay day of Darwin, Lamarch, etc. A species was considered fixed and immutable on this chain of being. Of course, they had no idea of genetics until Mendel's pea experiments came along, which showed that species were mutable over time based on the mutation and mixing of the units of heredity. Figuratively speaking, Aristotle was rolling in his grave and the Greek philosopher Hericlitus, known for his theory of the flux (that all things change), was screaming horray!!!! Hericlitus would have been a great looper. :) K- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. --0-1089951506-1153472014=:52244 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    A quote I remember from somewhere:
    "The Greeks always tested every hypothesis twice -
    first drunk, then sober."

    Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    > Also, keep in mind that reality is largely subjective. Aristotle
    > approaches Reality from an objective point of view. I can think of two
    > consequences right offhand that fall from this; both as a consequence
    > owing to the fact that the human mind is a pattern-recognition engine.

    Yes! That is a key point. Aristotle had to bind qualities to essense,
    otherwise he couldn't have done what he did so well, which was to categorize
    things and arrange them in a natural hierarchy.....which ended up
    influencing the concent of "The Chain of Being", which by the way was
    partially responsible for generating anti-evolutionary sentiments during the
    hay day of Darwin, Lamarch, etc. A species was considered fixed and
    immutable on this chain of being. Of course, they had no idea of genetics
    until Mendel's pea experiments came along, which showed that species were
    mutable over time based on the mutation and mixing of the units of heredity.
    Figuratively speaking, Aristotle was rolling in his grave and the Greek
    philosopher Hericlitus, known for his theory of the flux (that all things
    change), was screaming horray!!!!

    Hericlitus would have been a great looper. :)

    K-



    Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2˘/min or less. --0-1089951506-1153472014=:52244-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 09:57:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06CD3BEEE; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017a01c6acac$0580fe50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: Handsonic? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:57:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Jon Wagner just told me that he started a specific Handsonic group at yahoogroups.com You might write to him about that. yours, Rick ps a professional percussionist with a world class percussion collection who never had enough money at one time to buy a Handsonic....................lol I think they are great but really overpriced and they never came down in price. the trigger finger with a really good sample collection is a very, very nice and inexpensive alternative to the handsonic, though it doesn't have the sexy d-beam and ribbon controllers, unfortunately I actually have that set up but because I have a lot of skill with so many kinds of percussion I never take it out in that context. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 13:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3D0A3BEEA; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:01:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #486 for July 20, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44C0D030.8090809@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:04:46 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060720.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. Show #486 July 20, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Eye of the Nautilus" on Hypnos Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Heaven and Hell" by Vangelis on RCA Records and released in 1975. Numina - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Vangelis Part 2 * Heaven and Hell (RCA) Klaus Schulze Ruins The Crime of Suspense (Revisited) VA [Xeroid Entity] Outside My Window electro-music 2006 (electro-music media) Mutation Vector Pillager Kill It Before It Multiplies Fringe Element Gnome Organic Chemistry Vitaly Universe Looking at the Stars Different Skies 2004 Carnivore One Arcs & Angles (Atomic City) Participants VA [HyperEx Machina] The Rapture Awakenings 2006 Volume 2.5 (Ambient Live) Numina Drift Catalyst Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Numina Secrets from the Flame Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Numina The Thirteenth Moon Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Numina New Lands Approach Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Numina The Nautilus Chamber Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Numina Sundrown Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Numina Frozen Halo Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Numina Hypnotic Shores Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Numina Return to the Crystal Eye of the Nautilus (Hypnos) Temple 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Starfarer's Tales Volume 1." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Zeit" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records and released in 1972. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM, on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 13:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C533BF01; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:05:51 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <006101c6ac1b$933eaad0$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> Message-ID: <20060721130551.84210@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <006101c6ac1b$933eaad0$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> Subject: Re: RC-50 and Feedback To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mike > Maybe you could reserve one phrase of the three for rhythm or other base > music, and cycle two phrases for fading. I've tried both strategies and > they work well. Yes, I've also worked with that. It's quite a bit of pedal pushing, though. "Looping veterans" seem to want a very simple setup: they want to adjust a certain feedback level right from the beginning. Then they know that every loops playsback -say- 5 times before it's gone. This is what you can do with my setup also on the RC-50. I agree that there is still quite a bit of depth to the RC-50 - and also couple frustrating things. If there is supposed to be a software update in Autmn, this is really good :-) Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 14:48:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF8043BEE8; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d501c6acd4$a6d3cb20$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00e001c69feb$eb631cf0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:47:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C6ACA2.5B30EBD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:47:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C6ACA2.5B30EBD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice. I like the amount of space and breathing room. Did I hear Pluggo's = Feedback Network in there?=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Hi all, =20 Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a = NINJAM session. While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to = make some music together. If anybody is interested, there's a 23 minute = (33 meg d/l) file at: =20 http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 =20 Comments welcome! =20 Tony ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C6ACA2.5B30EBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Nice. I like the amount of space and = breathing=20 room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony K=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 = 10:31=20 PM
    Subject: Tony and Rainer make = weird=20 noises.

    Hi=20 all,

     

    Last week = Rainer and=20 I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM session.  = While=20 we had a few technical issues, we did manage to make some music=20 together.  If anybody is interested, there=92s a 23 minute (33 = meg d/l)=20 file at:

     

    http://www.= thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3

     

    Comments=20 welcome!

     

    Tony

    = ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C6ACA2.5B30EBD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 15:47:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA1913BEEE; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <4345.128.193.37.230.1153437844.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <4345.128.193.37.230.1153437844.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Zoe Keating Radio on Pandora.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:47:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Server-Quench: 3f00972c-18d0-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtfY1U0Gll1 UkhJREJTEg9sBhYF BFAcVgdwdRtFf2Bx ZkZ9XHVZWVt6Ox17 PjgIQG5YZW9nYGka HkFcdgQac1VKfhZC aANiVXtZYXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYO QB1KPjgmAUwDSG0J JhAnLRYbGg4pO0M+ NkEoH1kfNncp X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.56/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) oh that is so neat....! thanks! ;-) On Jul 20, 2006, at 4:24 PM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Could someone on the list try this out and let me know if it works? > > Zoe Keating Radio > > To immediately listen to this music station I've created (named > "Zoe Keating > Radio") simply click on this link or copy and paste it into your > Internet > browser: > http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh142293524951897341 > > This station plays on Pandora, a music listening and discovery > service. > Pandora enables users to easily create streaming stations that > explore their > favorite parts of the music universe. When you click on the link, > you'll > automatically receive a free no-questions-asked trial so you can > listen to > this station--and create some more of your own. > > Thanks, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 17:18:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 022E33BEF1; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1470.128.193.37.230.1153502299.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <4345.128.193.37.230.1153437844.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Zoe Keating Radio on Pandora.com From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Zoe wrote: > oh that is so neat....! thanks! ;-) Hey Zoe, You're welcome! It was great listening to your tracks on Pandora.com. I wish I could take credit for it but the way you start a Pandora radio station is by specifying an artist or song and the radio station is named after the artist you specify by default. Then Pandora looks for songs the listener might like based on the characteristics of the artist chosen. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 18:00:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7143BEF3; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dE+Asixj38B3Hl2H2COKoi7oGc7FHLjqy7WmE+v08wTNDtKtYhSRZCdoRqnuqpGfYGf5wE+jkXyE4JSiuDbcl48VYaq24m0lL64XdycB8uJPCa/fgQrOjbTvfZb+Y2R6M9s8DeK9+Zzh8DdEmUQxQwV2DFID31RLj4mqanj6u8Q= ; Message-ID: <20060721180054.39428.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:00:54 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: reverb just on the delays To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1066553510-1153504854=:35278" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:00:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-1066553510-1153504854=:35278 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%) has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I think.... I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so ever ? Best regards of Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1066553510-1153504854=:35278 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say  20%) has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I think....  
     
    I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.
     
    Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so ever ?
     
    Best regards of Rune F  


    www.runefagereng.com
    Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1066553510-1153504854=:35278-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 18:13:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 632773BEFB; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.64.26.114] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1470.128.193.37.230.1153502299.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: flyloops beta test Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:13:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 18:13:53.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C92BE90:01C6ACF1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Can someone with a midi controller check this out and see if it works. www.flyloops.com ... then go to the tech info page ... there is a link there to download the beta test. I am not a veteran programmer so I'm rather anxious to make sure this will work computers other than mine .... ghost in the machine wins again. I took off last weekend and got this working with assignable midi controllers, so you will want to change the midi config in the drop down menu before you do anything... if your midi controller is hooked up, just hit a key and you will see the midi message being sent ..... simply assign that key to one of the pedals and you will be able to control any loop's record/play/stop/volume with that key. a couple things: 1 - you need DirectX for this program to work. 2 - don't hit the remove button with nothing selected .. this causes problems. It's a simple fix, but I didn't catch it until this morning, so it's still there. 3 - There are a few resourses the program doesn't seem to release on close .... so if you run the program a few times, you may want to check the task manager and see if the process is still running in the background. I'll try to get that fixed soon also. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 18:30:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3956C3BF06; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060721180054.39428.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060721180054.39428.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:29:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: reverb just on the delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:30:01 +0000 (UTC) If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the effect nearly exactly. I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in Malaya (1981) The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched. This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of the delay level. >On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close >direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%) >has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some >delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I >think.... > >I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for >reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. > >Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the >manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so >ever ? > >Best regards of Rune F > > >www.runefagereng.com >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >Mob: 917 95 867 -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 18:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C15DA3BEEC; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Efnpo681EVTt347cc6bkMWmbNb0AwYh7RbzJGFRp6Dm+u9Dtqzh9pHL9Gm9voAGPhkn053wKlSkIMF/PQL1I+VmVHxuOYKkCj9DmX/hAXVDi91XJo6smHnQlpOOOk7247HlpFsERDLsmglPCB2kZHPYd/ylfnipBU3aC3w1r5ow= ; Message-ID: <20060721184155.55782.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:41:55 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-28651509-1153507315=:54372" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:41:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-28651509-1153507315=:54372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street. RF Charles Zwicky skrev: If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the effect nearly exactly. I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in Malaya (1981) The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched. This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of the delay level. >On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close >direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%) >has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some >delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I >think.... > >I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for >reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. > >Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the >manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so >ever ? > >Best regards of Rune F > > >www.runefagereng.com >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >Mob: 917 95 867 -- ... http://www.zmix.net www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-28651509-1153507315=:54372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street.
     
    RF 
    Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev:
    If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the
    effect nearly exactly.

    I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in
    Malaya (1981)

    The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay
    and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an
    aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched.
    This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of
    the delay level.

    >On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close
    >direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%)
    >has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some
    >delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I
    >think....
    >
    >I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for
    >reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.
    >
    >Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the
    >manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so
    >ever ?
    >
    >Best regards of Rune F
    >
    >
    >www.runefagereng.com
    >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    >Mob: 917 95 867


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    Mob: 917 95 867 --0-28651509-1153507315=:54372-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 19:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9A23BECF; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060721184155.55782.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060721184155.55782.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:06:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1058613688==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:06:43 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1058613688==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "Open secret" starts with a very dry trumpet and at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel tuned a minor third down (-3 semitones) and the right a fifth below (-7 semitones). At the end of his phrases we can hear a simply a long reverb set about 20dB below the trumpet level which creates that 'Hang" . There are no delays on this track. >Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street. > >RF >Charles Zwicky skrev: > >If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the >effect nearly exactly. > >I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in >Malaya (1981) > >The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay >and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an >aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched. >This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of >the delay level. > >>On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close >>direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%) >>has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some >>delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I >>think.... >> >>I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for >>reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. >> >>Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the >>manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so >>ever ? >> >>Best regards of Rune F >> >> >>www.runefagereng.com >>Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >>Mob: 917 95 867 > > >-- >... >http://www.zmix.net > > > > >www.runefagereng.com >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >Mob: 917 95 867 -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1058613688==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays
    "Open secret" starts with a very dry trumpet and  at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel tuned a minor third down (-3 semitones) and the right a fifth below  (-7 semitones).
    At the end of his phrases we can hear a simply a long reverb set about 20dB below the trumpet level which creates  that 'Hang" . There are no delays on this track.


    Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street.
     
    RF 
    Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev:
    If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the
    effect nearly exactly.

    I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in
    Malaya (1981)

    The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay
    and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an
    aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched.
    This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of
    the delay level.

    >On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close
    >direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%)
    >has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some
    >delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I
    >think....
    >
    >I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for
    >reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.
    >
    >Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the
    >manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so
    >ever ?
    >
    >Best regards of Rune F
    >
    >
    >www.runefagereng.com
    >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    >Mob: 917 95 867


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    ...
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    www.runefagereng.com
    Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    Mob: 917 95 867


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    ...
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    --============_-1058613688==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 19:23:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B12A3BED2; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.134.217.211] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <017a01c6acac$0580fe50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Handsonic? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:23:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 19:23:55.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[34FAD3A0:01C6ACFB] Resent-Message-ID: <6o1FaB.A.8hE.OnSwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:23:58 +0000 (UTC) > Jon Wagner just told me that he started a > specific Handsonic group at yahoogroups.com I don't have a handsonic either... I do have a Korg Wavedrum, and its a wavedrum group I started on yahoo. The wavedrum is a whole 'nother realm of instrument, its really a synthesizer with a percussion specific controller. It has a single head with a pickup, a mic, and a pressure sensor. It also has a rim trigger. All these inputs feed into the synthesis engine to make all kinds of percussion sounds - some VERY realistic, spacey, fantasy, electronic, ect. You can play it with hands, sticks, brushes, ect all with very nice effect. I would definately look into a wavedrum for replacing mic'd percussion, although its not in production anymore and they are fairly rare, they can be found without too much trouble. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 19:56:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23393BECA; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002a01c6ac81$9bec9690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002a01c6ac81$9bec9690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:56:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2QGFLC.A.PfF.2FTwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC) At 10:53 PM -0600 7/20/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >Plato's theory of the forms (it was not Socrates, btw) Thank you! I knew Socrates didn't sound right, but I was having a brain, erm, cloud as to where the theory originated. >one can only suggest, in this theory at least, that music is only in the mind. Oh, in more than merely this theory. I can remember in College Physics 101, our professor took about 15 minutes to tackle the issue regarding, "if a tree falls in the woods and there's no-one there to hear it...". His main point was that very definition of Sound requires a receiver (listener) to interpret the vibrations in the air and convert them into Sound. Otherwise, as you stated, there's no difference between generating Sound and merely moving air. (So, that falling tree moves air, but since there's no observer it doesn't generate sound). Sound only occurs in the brain, at least according to basic Newtonian Physics. Thus, if Music is a subset of Sound, then the brain/mind is an indispensable component in the chain. Some aspects of psychoacoustics also attempt to chart the characteristics of Sound/Music that occur only within the mind, completely divorced from the physical world. >Man, I love this shit....I'll never be able to get to sleep now. Kris, if you ever get a chance, I think you'd also get a kick out of reading writings from the philosophers of the Iranian Neo-Platonist movement -- around the first millennium AD (starting with Ibn Sina, but primarily Suhrawardi and Qutb al-Din Shirazi). It's not so well-known here in the West, but the Islamic world actually spent quite a bit of time and thought extrapolating on the concepts first voiced by the great Greek philosophers. Much of that philosophy was incorporated into the Illuminationist school of Islamic thought. I've never been able to get very far in my reading of it for two reasons: A.) I don't already have the required background in the teachings of the Classical Greeks, and B.) I'm not really smart enough. :P It sounds like something that would be right up your alley, though, if you haven't already delved into the writings of that philosophical school. --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:01:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74E713BED2; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GHsznZOLi/fcqSDEHSb6wOp4+CS4Ik9VOqcpJzOtDYVMEJniJEUIQZs3r+2XvkdjKe2MHrlnEVTlhLtV5cJ9e1L+heBFc5wCpma8YxzQHw9mkrxKk6nTg8CatFBzv8GzlH8MVwrqODFkjvslO/DXULN5CrWuz0e6lRUsu93Owfo= ; Message-ID: <20060721200103.88737.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:01:03 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1817086573-1153512063=:87919" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:01:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1817086573-1153512063=:87919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Any knowledge on how Hassell does this Live, and what gear he uses ? RF Charles Zwicky skrev: "Open secret" starts with a very dry trumpet and at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel tuned a minor third down (-3 semitones) and the right a fifth below (-7 semitones). At the end of his phrases we can hear a simply a long reverb set about 20dB below the trumpet level which creates that 'Hang" . There are no delays on this track. Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street. RF Charles Zwicky skrev: If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the effect nearly exactly. I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in Malaya (1981) The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched. This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of the delay level. >On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close >direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%) >has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some >delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I >think.... > >I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for >reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. > >Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the >manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so >ever ? > >Best regards of Rune F > > >www.runefagereng.com >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >Mob: 917 95 867 -- ... http://www.zmix.net www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 -- ... http://www.zmix.net www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1817086573-1153512063=:87919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Any knowledge on how Hassell does this Live, and what gear he uses ?
     
    RF

    Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev:
    "Open secret" starts with a very dry trumpet and  at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel tuned a minor third down (-3 semitones) and the right a fifth below  (-7 semitones).
    At the end of his phrases we can hear a simply a long reverb set about 20dB below the trumpet level which creates  that 'Hang" . There are no delays on this track.


    Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street.
     
    RF 
    Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev:
    If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the
    effect nearly exactly.

    I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in
    Malaya (1981)

    The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay
    and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an
    aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched.
    This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of
    the delay level.

    >On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close
    >direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%)
    >has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some
    >delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I
    >think....
    >
    >I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for
    >reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.
    >
    >Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the
    >manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so
    >ever ?
    >
    >Best regards of Rune F
    >
    >
    >www.runefagereng.com
    >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    >Mob: 917 95 867


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    Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1817086573-1153512063=:87919-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:06:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E14E3BED3; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060721180057.84B763BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subject/object Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:06:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 20:06:19.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[217C61D0:01C6AD01] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:06:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm inclined to the view that subject/object is merely a linguistic mechanism,a grammatic conceit The word grammar originally refered to magic,as does the word spell,and even the word 'word' itself -enchantment etc.are all related to the beleif (said to be an obsolete aristotelian category) that the world is created by the word The big Bang theory was proposed by a Christian monk trying to reconcile modern scientific data w/ Genesis I prefer to think of it as Shiva's drumbeat . I think we create our sense of a seperation between ourselves and the the World.or Cosmos by our linguistic categories.Bhuddism has alot of techniques for recognizing ways in which mental constructs such as beleifs,categories,languages and symbol systems etc.function as lenses that distort the input,when emplyed in a habitual unconscious way' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:14:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C26DE3BEE2; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=f/fZKuTs6mQzijU18qy0CJr6dRd3pUEaTZnB8vK5ZWhoSWX0BCNDwPfcYrqNpeCk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10744612.1153512884762.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48b6349b35b1186dca8c35076c1bcc12d6ac30c6e5e32ee181350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:14:45 +0000 (UTC) . Otherwise, as you stated, there's no >difference between generating Sound and merely moving air. > --m. YES! perfect desciption of my stuff! i knew that if i kept reading this-some phrase would come up that i could wrap my fat head around. s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:21:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73EA3BEE6; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.134.217.211] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9455@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <913728d60607201313o48c6af32o1e0d7abf31be2c9e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:21:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 20:21:48.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B04A2E0:01C6AD03] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:21:50 +0000 (UTC) I didn't see anyone make mention yet of Matthias Grob's guitar and effects? http://matthias.grob.org/pParad/ParaPoly.htm he also designed and built polysubbass and polydistortion: http://matthias.grob.org/pEE/InventE.htm Both the polysubbass and especially the polydistortion are unique and nice sounds! Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:23:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 999A13BEE7; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060721200103.88737.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060721200103.88737.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:23:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1058609075==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:23:35 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1058609075==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" When I first saw Jon Hassel on tour he was using an AMS-DMX digital delay with the pitch change cards in it and someone had rigged up a custom interface so that he could select preset intervals with a bank of footswitched arranged chromatically. The AMS otherwise sets the pitch as a ratio or percentage, not so intuative. I recall that the notes were drawn by hand on little scraps of paper and fastenend to the footswitches with clear tape. He may be using a different device these days, but I've met a surprising number of musicians who prefer to stick with a particular set of tools, despite newer technologies becoming available. Here is a nice article http://www.jonhassell.com/taboo.html and this, too http://www.jonhassell.com/toop.html >Any knowledge on how Hassell does this Live, and what gear he uses ? > >RF > >Charles Zwicky skrev: > >"Open secret" starts with a very dry trumpet and at 1:08 he brings >up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel tuned a minor >third down (-3 semitones) and the right a fifth below (-7 >semitones). >At the end of his phrases we can hear a simply a long reverb set >about 20dB below the trumpet level which creates that 'Hang" . >There are no delays on this track. > > >>Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street. >> > > >RF >Charles Zwicky skrev: > >If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the >effect nearly exactly. > >I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in >Malaya (1981) > >The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay >and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an >aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched. >This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of >the delay level. > >>On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close >>direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%) >>has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some >>delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I >>think.... >> >>I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for >>reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. >> >>Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the >>manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so >>ever ? >> >>Best regards of Rune F >> >> >>www.runefagereng.com >>Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >>Mob: 917 95 867 > > >-- >... >http://www.zmix.net > > > > >www.runefagereng.com >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >Mob: 917 95 867 > > > >-- >... >http://www.zmix.net > > > > >www.runefagereng.com >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >Mob: 917 95 867 -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1058609075==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays
    When I first saw Jon Hassel on tour he was using an AMS-DMX digital delay with the pitch change cards in it and someone had rigged up a custom interface so that he could select preset intervals with a bank of footswitched arranged chromatically. The AMS otherwise sets the pitch as a ratio or percentage, not so intuative. I recall that the notes were drawn by hand on little scraps of paper and fastenend to the footswitches with clear tape.

    He may be using a different device these days, but I've met a surprising number of musicians who prefer to stick with a particular set of tools, despite newer technologies becoming available.

    Here is a nice article

    http://www.jonhassell.com/taboo.html

    and this, too

    http://www.jonhassell.com/toop.html


    Any knowledge on how Hassell does this Live, and what gear he uses ?
     
    RF

    Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev:
    "Open secret" starts with a very dry trumpet and  at 1:08 he brings up his two harmonizer channels . The left channel tuned a minor third down (-3 semitones) and the right a fifth below  (-7 semitones).
    At the end of his phrases we can hear a simply a long reverb set about 20dB below the trumpet level which creates  that 'Hang" . There are no delays on this track.


    Marifaa Street, open secret ? Or any tune on M.Street.
     
    RF 
    Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> skrev:
    If you could site a particular cut, I can tell you how to get the
    effect nearly exactly.

    I suspect that you might be referring to "Malay" from Dream theory in
    Malaya (1981)

    The most useful method will require a small mixer. Patch the delay
    and the reverb into the mixer. Send a signal to the reverb from an
    aux which is pre-fader on the channel to which the delay is patched.
    This way you can regulate the 'wetness' of the delay independant of
    the delay level.

    >On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close
    >direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%)
    >has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some
    >delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I
    >think....
    >
    >I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for
    >reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.
    >
    >Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the
    >manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so
    >ever ?
    >
    >Best regards of Rune F
    >
    >
    >www.runefagereng.com
    >Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
    >Mob: 917 95 867


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    --============_-1058609075==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:29:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2C733BEC5; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017501c6ad04$4ba81960$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00d501c6acd4$a6d3cb20$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:28:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0172_01C6ACE2.C348C3B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:29:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0172_01C6ACE2.C348C3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No Pluggo on my end. It's all hardware for me. Roland D50, guitar = through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, DL4, RC20, DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a = bunch of ModFX. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Nice. I like the amount of space and breathing room. Did I hear = Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Hi all, =20 Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did = a NINJAM session. While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to = make some music together. If anybody is interested, there's a 23 minute = (33 meg d/l) file at: =20 http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 =20 Comments welcome! =20 Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0172_01C6ACE2.C348C3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    No Pluggo on my end.  It's all = hardware for=20 me.  Roland D50, guitar through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, DL4, = RC20, DD20,=20 Vortex, RSP-550, a bunch of ModFX.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 10:47=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer = make weird=20 noises.

    Nice. I like the amount of space and = breathing=20 room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony K=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 = 10:31=20 PM
    Subject: Tony and Rainer make = weird=20 noises.

    Hi=20 all,

     

    Last week = Rainer=20 and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM = session. =20 While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to make some = music=20 together.  If anybody is interested, there=92s a 23 minute (33 = meg d/l)=20 file at:

     

    http://www.= thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3

     

    Comments=20 welcome!

     

    Tony

    <= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0172_01C6ACE2.C348C3B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:30:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BD4E3BEB8; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=b8UomNjj3PakVx+4xCTjC+hpJnMcy9PlxB4kObiTyI1r+1FXC7PVBx1JsiCZ0ZC5f6qyxj7Cih8L9r1UHwXZ/66l8+bwSCKzufj9KJgsLq+GcJE0pH6RYqpFLqEMEWtIQcLNIlmunMHPo95nngT9JQ0F2X/FUSFph0nOrsCEvVk= In-Reply-To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9455@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <913728d60607201313o48c6af32o1e0d7abf31be2c9e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F1739C5-60C5-4BF6-8BD9-C7D280DE1979@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:30:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:30:37 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jul 2006, at 22.21, jondrums wrote: > I didn't see anyone make mention yet of Matthias Grob's guitar and =20 > effects? > http://matthias.grob.org/pParad/ParaPoly.htm > he also designed and built polysubbass and polydistortion: > http://matthias.grob.org/pEE/InventE.htm > Both the polysubbass and especially the polydistortion are unique =20 > and nice sounds! > > Jon Also don't miss Matthias long time guitar building friend Rolf =20 Spuler's site at http://www.rolfspuler.com/ I was lucky to meet Rolf in Z=FCrich last year and check out his =20 guitars. Very cool instrument and the "firewire guitar" is an amazing =20= concept. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EEFB3BEE6; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017d01c6ad05$a2729da0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Subject/object Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:38:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <1esVfD.A.3LB.MtTwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:38:37 +0000 (UTC) I resonate well with this, Samba, namely that much of our divisions between mind and external world, word and object, and even divisions within the so-called external world (which I regard a logical fiction) are arbitrary, or at most pragmatic tools for us to communicate and get by in daily life. One might view the world as a fluid or one stream of experience, from which we create superficial divisions...like a patch of color based on boundaries, or the sense of self as different than the external world, or what we think of as a self-contained object...when in fact, all is One. After all, strictly from a visual sense data standpoint, everything that we think o as a separate entitiy is in fact in juxtaposition with everthing else...no boundary except that of shape, shade, etc. I suppose this is somewhat consistent with eastern thought, Hinduism, where Brahman is considered the One, the only real and legitimate entity...everything else, like pieces of ice floating in the sea of Brahman, are illusory. If you have the patience for it, here is a paper I wrote several years ago after sneaking into the philosophy library after hours at the University of Washington (during a philosophy conference I was attending). I was doing research on modern skepticism, which developed into an idea that I stipulated as the "sphere of awareness". If you read this, you'll probably know more about it than me, since it has been so long since I read it. Basically, I posit that all knowledge (and thus our epistemology) is limited to the items of direct awareness, where those items are only arbitrarily defined/divided for convenience. http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/aware.html It is a very radical form of epistemology, which really reduces what we think of as the world or universe to a very limited notion. You might suspect that my theory is just a radical and revised theory of phenonemalism, which is correct. It is an epistemology based on a revision of phenomenalism - aka, the viewpoint that came out of the work of the logical positivists, Bertrand Russell, and some other tangential 20th Century Analytic linguistic philosophers. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" > I'm inclined to the view that subject/object is merely a linguistic > mechanism,a grammatic conceit The word grammar originally refered to > magic,as does the word spell,and even the word 'word' itself -enchantment > etc.are all related to the beleif (said to be an obsolete aristotelian > category) that the world is created by the word The big Bang theory was > proposed by a Christian monk trying to reconcile modern scientific data w/ > Genesis I prefer to think of it as Shiva's drumbeat . I think we create > our sense of a seperation between ourselves and the the World.or Cosmos > by our linguistic categories.Bhuddism has alot of techniques for > recognizing ways in which mental constructs such as > beleifs,categories,languages and symbol systems etc.function as lenses > that distort the input,when emplyed in a habitual unconscious way' > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7224F3BED6; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019401c6ad07$452692d0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002a01c6ac81$9bec9690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Coffeehouse Guitar vs street-busker Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:50:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <7taDCB.A.2mB.L4TwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Good story. I've always hated it when people ask that question about the falling tree, because the answer seems obvious to me depending on what you agree as the definition of sound. If you define sound as fluctuations of air pressure, then of course the tree makes a sound when no one is there...because in science and realism (the metaphysical theory that supports modern scientific thinking), humans don't have to be around for there to be physical changes in the environment. But if you define sound as humann perception, then of course there is no sound if one there to hear it. It is one of those questions whose answer is either intuitively obvious or obviously false depending on the semantics. I'll check out that neo-Platonist movement writing...though I am typically very suspicious of anything based on Plato's work, who is for all practical purposes anti-science and art in terms of the implications of his works. Plato thought very lowly of most artists and musicians, and his metaphysic contains a great distain for empirical data as a basis for knowledge. He comes directly from the line of pre-Socratic Greek philosophers called Eliatics (mystics, mathematicians, and idealists), who were in direct opposition to the Ionians (pre-scientists who based their view points on empirical data and experimentation). Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: > At 10:53 PM -0600 7/20/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Oh, in more than merely this theory. I can remember in College Physics > 101, our professor took about 15 minutes to tackle the issue regarding, > "if a tree falls in the woods and there's no-one there to hear it...". > His main point was that very definition of Sound requires a receiver > (listener) to interpret the vibrations in the air and convert them into > Sound. Otherwise, as you stated, there's no difference between generating > Sound and merely moving air. (So, that falling tree moves air, but since > there's no observer it doesn't generate sound). Sound only occurs in the > brain, at least according to basic Newtonian Physics. > > Thus, if Music is a subset of Sound, then the brain/mind is an > indispensable component in the chain. Some aspects of psychoacoustics > also attempt to chart the characteristics of Sound/Music that occur only > within the mind, completely divorced from the physical world. > >>Man, I love this shit....I'll never be able to get to sleep now. > > Kris, if you ever get a chance, I think you'd also get a kick out of > reading writings from the philosophers of the Iranian Neo-Platonist > movement -- around the first millennium AD (starting with Ibn Sina, but > primarily Suhrawardi and Qutb al-Din Shirazi). It's not so well-known > here in the West, but the Islamic world actually spent quite a bit of time > and thought extrapolating on the concepts first voiced by the great Greek > philosophers. Much of that philosophy was incorporated into the > Illuminationist school of Islamic thought. > > I've never been able to get very far in my reading of it for two reasons: > A.) I don't already have the required background in the teachings of the > Classical Greeks, and B.) I'm not really smart enough. :P > > It sounds like something that would be right up your alley, though, if you > haven't already delved into the writings of that philosophical school. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 20:57:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 437BD3BEDF; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2541.128.193.37.230.1153515453.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <017d01c6ad05$a2729da0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <017d01c6ad05$a2729da0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Subject/object From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <9AJO0C.A.92B.--TwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Anything I could add to this abstruse discussion has already been said by the late JBS Haldane: "Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose." "If one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of his creation it would appear that God has a special fondness for stars and beetles." Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 21:28:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9837A3BECC; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:28:25 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c6ad0c$9a0b1c30$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6AD1D.5D93EC30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <017501c6ad04$4ba81960$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Thread-Index: AcatBE0A3u8BDywIQwOEhfKBrhWxfgACAMdg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:28:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6AD1D.5D93EC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Pluggo here, either. But it's all software on my side (except for the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback network, so I can't even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz delay? Rainer _____ Von: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:29 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. No Pluggo on my end. It's all hardware for me. Roland D50, guitar through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, DL4, RC20, DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a bunch of ModFX. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Nice. I like the amount of space and breathing room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Hi all, Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM session. While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to make some music together. If anybody is interested, there's a 23 minute (33 meg d/l) file at: http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 Comments welcome! Tony ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6AD1D.5D93EC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    No Pluggo here, either. But it's all software = on my side=20 (except for the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback network, so = I can't=20 even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz = delay?
     
            = Rainer

    Von: Tony K = [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:29
    An:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Betreff: Re: Tony and = Rainer=20 make weird noises.

    No Pluggo on my end.  It's all = hardware for=20 me.  Roland D50, guitar through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, DL4, = RC20,=20 DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a bunch of ModFX.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 10:47=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer = make weird=20 noises.

    Nice. I like the amount of space = and breathing=20 room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Tony=20 K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, = 2006 10:31=20 PM
    Subject: Tony and Rainer = make weird=20 noises.

    Hi=20 all,

     

    Last = week Rainer=20 and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM = session. =20 While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to make some = music=20 together.  If anybody is interested, there’s a 23 = minute (33 meg d/l)=20 file at:

     

    http://www.= thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3

     

    Comments=20 welcome!

     

    Tony

    <= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6AD1D.5D93EC30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 21 22:09:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8904A3BECA; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ba01c6ad12$4c1d4100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000901c6ad0c$9a0b1c30$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:09:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C6ACE0.0080A340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:09:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C6ACE0.0080A340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's about 8 minutes into the MP3 files...sounds like feedback.=20 K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. No Pluggo here, either. But it's all software on my side (except for = the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback network, so I can't = even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz delay? Rainer -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Von: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:29 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. No Pluggo on my end. It's all hardware for me. Roland D50, guitar = through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, DL4, RC20, DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a = bunch of ModFX. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Nice. I like the amount of space and breathing room. Did I hear = Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Hi all, =20 Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and = did a NINJAM session. While we had a few technical issues, we did = manage to make some music together. If anybody is interested, there's a = 23 minute (33 meg d/l) file at: =20 http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 =20 Comments welcome! =20 Tony ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C6ACE0.0080A340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    It's about 8 minutes into the MP3 = files...sounds=20 like feedback.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 3:28 PM
    Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer = make weird=20 noises.

    No Pluggo here, either. But it's all software = on my side=20 (except for the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback network, = so I=20 can't even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz=20 delay?
     
            = Rainer

    Von: Tony K = [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:29
    An: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
    Betreff:=20 Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises.

    No Pluggo on my end.  It's all = hardware=20 for me.  Roland D50, guitar through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, = DL4,=20 RC20, DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a bunch of ModFX.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 10:47=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Tony and = Rainer make=20 weird noises.

    Nice. I like the amount of space = and=20 breathing room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?=20
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Tony=20 K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, = 2006 10:31=20 PM
    Subject: Tony and Rainer = make weird=20 noises.

    Hi=20 all,

     

    Last = week=20 Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a = NINJAM=20 session.  While we had a few technical issues, we did = manage to=20 make some music together.  If anybody is interested, = there=92s a 23=20 minute (33 meg d/l) file at:

     

    http://www.= thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3

     

    Comments=20 welcome!

     

    Tony

    <= /BLOCKQUOTE>
    ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C6ACE0.0080A340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 00:44:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5978C3BED0; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:44:49 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c6ad28$0a071050$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6AD38.CD8FE050" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcatEk44lA+aF0xQRBWSVL1fHlp1bwAFYbPg In-Reply-To: <01ba01c6ad12$4c1d4100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:44:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6AD38.CD8FE050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah, that's OhmBoyz all right...as well as the things 'round 7:30 that go "quaquawheekah...quakahhquakkaahhh". If I remember correctly, the synth loop and the OhmBoyz is done by me, the "artifical guitar" is Tony K...Tony, is that what you remember, too? ;) _____ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juli 2006 00:09 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. It's about 8 minutes into the MP3 files...sounds like feedback. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. No Pluggo here, either. But it's all software on my side (except for the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback network, so I can't even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz delay? Rainer _____ Von: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:29 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. No Pluggo on my end. It's all hardware for me. Roland D50, guitar through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, DL4, RC20, DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a bunch of ModFX. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Nice. I like the amount of space and breathing room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Hi all, Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a NINJAM session. While we had a few technical issues, we did manage to make some music together. If anybody is interested, there's a 23 minute (33 meg d/l) file at: http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 Comments welcome! Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6AD38.CD8FE050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    yeah, that's OhmBoyz all right...as well as the = things=20 'round 7:30 that go "quaquawheekah...quakahhquakkaahhh". If I remember=20 correctly, the synth loop and the OhmBoyz is done by me, the "artifical = guitar"=20 is Tony K...Tony, is that what you remember, too? = ;)

    Von: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juli = 2006=20 00:09
    An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Betreff: Re:=20 Tony and Rainer make weird noises.

    It's about 8 minutes into the MP3 = files...sounds=20 like feedback.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 3:28=20 PM
    Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer = make weird=20 noises.

    No Pluggo here, either. But it's all = software on my=20 side (except for the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback = network,=20 so I can't even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz=20 delay?
     
            = Rainer

    Von: Tony K = [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:29
    An: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
    Betreff:=20 Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises.

    No Pluggo on my end.  It's = all hardware=20 for me.  Roland D50, guitar through an RP2000, Morpheus, = GR50, DL4,=20 RC20, DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a bunch of ModFX.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Krispen Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, = 2006 10:47=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Tony and = Rainer make=20 weird noises.

    Nice. I like the amount of = space and=20 breathing room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?=20
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Tony=20 K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, = 2006=20 10:31 PM
    Subject: Tony and = Rainer make=20 weird noises.

    Hi=20 all,

     

    Last week=20 Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a = NINJAM=20 session.  While we had a few technical issues, we did = manage to=20 make some music together.  If anybody is interested, = there’s a 23=20 minute (33 meg d/l) file at:

     

    http://www.= thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3

     

    Comments=20 welcome!

     

    Tony

    <= /BLOCKQUOTE>
    ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6AD38.CD8FE050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 01:30:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78A813BED0; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACgbwUQ Message-ID: <001501c6ad2e$e33f11a0$4ccb884a@c1503933a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9455@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:33:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <3FyzjB.A.XuC.0-XwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi all. I can contribute a few ideas. ROLAND VG-8 I have a Roland VG-8, which is driven by a Roland GK-2 style pickup. If you just want to do polyphonic distortion, this is a really good unit for that. You can choose what type of guitar pickup you want to sound like, pan the individual strings in stereo, add effects, all kindsa cool stuff. A while back in the jazz guitar newsgroup we were having an argument/discussion about whether hexaphonic distortion sounds different than regular distortion...yes, some people were actually arguing that they sound the same! Anyway, I put up some mp3s to demonstrate the difference using the VG-8. So if you want to know what the VG-8's hex distortion sounds like, here it is: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/guitarsounds/VG8/HexFuzz.html You can get 'em on Ebay. I'm sure the VG-88 can do all the same stuff. RMC FANOUT BOX This is a splitter box that can be used to tap off the individual analog string signals from a Roland GK-2 type pickup: http://www.rmcpickup.com/fanoutbox.html HEX PICKUPS IN REGULAR BODY For a while, I have been investigating regular humbucker-sized hex pickups for use with my looping setup: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html#V2 The reason is that I like to use an octave divider for bass rather than a synth or the VG-8 (which also has a tracking delay when the pitch shifter is activated). Octave dividers like the Chili Dog I use have real problems trying to track a signal from a pickup at the bridge. So a hex piclup in a humbucker body is desirable. Apparently Bartolini made these a long time ago, and that is what got used in the stereo Eddie Van Halen guitar mentioned eralier. I have been using this very cool pickup by Rick Copeland: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/copeland.html This thing is great, but seems to be unavailable now. There is a guy in Sweden named Olle Svensson who makes similar hex pickups. I had him make me one. It was very reasonably priced and looks great, but I haven't had a chance to really try it out yet because I keep getting distracted with lots of other stuff. If anyone is interested in asking him about a custom pickup, I can give you his email. He also makes them with hex distortion built in. There is a place called Sound Garage that makes a unit with a regular humbucker and a hex humbuckler built into the same humbucker body. This is intended to be used for GK-style synth output in the bridge position, but it looks like it could be adapted for use in the neck position. http://www.quest-md.com/soundgarage/index_e.html Hope this info helps. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 03:03:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 792D63BEC5; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:03:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C6AD09.11503D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3e_sY.A.BQC.2VZwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:03:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C6AD09.11503D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I finally got around to making a sample sound clip of my new notebook = computer system. I'll reiterate the components of my system, and then = I'll describe how I made the clip below. I'll forewarn you now, however, = that this is no piece of art and is only a sample of the effects, not = anything that creative or song-like by any means. I'm just messing = around with random notes and chords over the top of the looped = foundation, sometimes playing only with my left hand in order to move = from effect to effect with the mouse in my right hand.=20 The System=20 ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo Core T2500 processor, 2GHz x 2, 2 GB of RAM) http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/t-series/tseries_byo_t60p.htm= l Microsoft XP Pro Xlutop Chainer VST host (http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html) Echo Indigo IO sound card = (http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php (guitar = plugged directly into the IO card) How I Made the Sample Clip Everything you hear is a VST effect. First I created an initial loop = with Mobius, Voxengo Tube Amp simulator, Fat Ass Edge (for pitch down), = MHC FlexFx Delay, Kjaerhus Audio Classic Chorus, and ANWIDA Soft DX = Reverb. Everything but Edge is a set of VST effects I keep on all of = the time for my standard guitar sound. Second, I began activating each of my favorite 65 VST effects in Chainer = one at a time, playing just a few seconds on each one to give you an = idea of the sound of that preset (which in most cases is my favorite = preset). Basically, this sample clip reflects about 1/30th of my tone mangling = capability, given all the other presets in each VST effect that is not = heard. And based on my experience so far, I could easily eliminate all = of my VST effects and just use my Reaktor 5 VST, or run it as a = standalone, and have enough effect processing diversity and power to = last me a lifetime. The effects that users are developing and providing = free for download are just mind blowing. The Sample Sound Clip, VSTs, and URLs http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (to download or stream - 25 minutes = long!) Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: = http://www.box.net/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3 You can follow the sounds in the clip in this order, or jump to the = minute:second marker: 00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/509.html 01:01 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/508.html 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html 01:54 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ 02:20 - Pluggo Feedback Network = http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo) 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 03:26 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html 03:39 - NuSofting Morphing Delay = http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Morphing.htm 03:55 - Nusofting Trimmetry = http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm 04:09 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:18 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:27 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get/454.html 04:46 - Crazy Ivan = http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/plug/VST 05:09 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 05:17 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:33 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:47 - Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get/894.html 06:10 - Glitch Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2094.html 06:19 - Pudding (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1335.html 06:33 - Reversinator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/988.html 06:45 -Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1661.html 06:54 - Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1493.html 07:13 - fxpansion Ringmod=20 07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get/816.html 07:30 - Pluggo Space Echo http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:39 - Pluggo Speed Shifter http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:55 - E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get/737.html 08:05 - FX Jockey=20 08:11 - Glitchgirl 08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get/891.html 08:28 - KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/625.html 08:46 - Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get/248.html 09:03 - Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1156.html 09:14 - Univibe by Simulanalog 09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2264.html 10:13 - Crazyator 10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1118.html 10:30 - Pluggo Squirel Parade http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 10:42 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:29 - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get/641.html 13:56 - DeeLay 14:09 - GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1298.html 14:18 - GGrain http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2189.html 14:25 - OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1816.html 14:37 - ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/640.html 14:48 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get/490.html 15:00 - Reaktor 2 Metaphysical 15:16 - Several Reaktor 5 Ensembles (effects), starting with Blackbird - = David, want to guess what I'm using? :) Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C6AD09.11503D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I finally got around to making a sample = sound clip=20 of my new notebook computer system. I'll reiterate the = components=20 of my system, and then I'll describe how I made the clip below. I'll = forewarn=20 you now, however, that this is no piece of art and is only a sample of = the=20 effects, not anything that creative or song-like by any means. I'm just = messing=20 around with random notes and chords over the top of the looped = foundation,=20 sometimes playing only with my left hand in order to move from effect to = effect=20 with the mouse in my right hand.
     
    The System =
     
    ThinkPad T60p (Intel Duo Core T2500 = processor,=20 2GHz x 2,  2 GB of RAM)
    http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/t-series/tseries_b= yo_t60p.html
    Microsoft XP Pro
    Xlutop Chainer VST host (http://www.xlutop.com/ht= ml/chainer.html)
    Echo Indigo IO sound card (htt= p://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php (guita= r=20 plugged directly into the IO card)
     
    How I Made the Sample=20 Clip
     
    Everything you hear is a VST effect. = First I=20 created an initial loop with Mobius, Voxengo Tube Amp simulator, Fat Ass = Edge=20 (for pitch down), MHC FlexFx Delay, Kjaerhus Audio Classic Chorus, and = ANWIDA=20 Soft DX Reverb.  Everything but Edge is a set of VST effects I keep = on all=20 of the time for my standard guitar sound.
     
    Second, I began activating each of my = favorite 65=20 VST effects in Chainer one at a time, playing just a few seconds on each = one to=20 give you an idea of the sound of that preset (which in most cases is my = favorite=20 preset).
     
    Basically, this sample clip reflects = about 1/30th=20 of my tone mangling capability, given all the other presets in each VST = effect=20 that is not heard. And based on my experience so far, I could easily = eliminate=20 all of my VST effects and just use my Reaktor 5 VST, or run it as a = standalone,=20 and have enough effect processing diversity and power to last me a=20 lifetime.  The effects that users are developing and providing free = for=20 download are just mind blowing.
     
    The Sample Sound Clip, VSTs, = and=20 URLs
     
    http://www.box.net/public/f= obok5z5dy (to=20 download or stream - 25 minutes long!)
     
    Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: http://www.box.n= et/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3
     
    You can follow the sounds in the clip = in this=20 order, or jump to the minute:second marker:
     
    00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /509.html
    01:01=20 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /508.html
    01:29=20 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /818.html
    01:54=20 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.s= e/software/plugins/spaceeffect/
    02:20=20 - Pluggo Feedback Network http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo)
    03:03=20 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.ar= canedevice.com/?sig_mod
    03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    03:26=20 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1324.html
    03:39=20 - NuSofting Morphing Delay http://nusofting.li= qihsynth.com/Morphing.htm
    03:55=20 - Nusofting Trimmetry http://nusofting.l= iqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm
    04:09=20 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    04:18=20 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    04:27=20 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /454.html
    04:46=20 - Crazy Ivan http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/plug= /VST
    05:09=20 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    05:17=20 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelec= tronix.com/
    05:33=20 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelec= tronix.com/
    05:47=20 - Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /894.html
    06:10=20 - Glitch Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/2094.html
    06:19=20 - Pudding (http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1335.html
    06:33=20 - Reversinator  http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /988.html
    06:45=20 -Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1661.html
    06:54=20 - Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1493.html
    07:13=20 - fxpansion Ringmod
    07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /816.html
    07:30=20 - Pluggo Space Echo http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    07:39=20 - Pluggo Speed Shifter http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    07:55=20 - E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /737.html
    08:05=20 - FX Jockey
    08:11 - Glitchgirl
    08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /891.html
    08:28 =20 - KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /625.html
    08:46=20 - Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /248.html
    09:03=20 - Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1156.html
    09:14=20 - Univibe by Simulanalog
    09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.ar= canedevice.com/?sig_mod
    09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.ar= canedevice.com/?sig_mod
    10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/2264.html
    10:13=20 - Crazyator
    10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1118.html
    10:30=20 - Pluggo Squirel Parade http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    10:42=20 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:29  - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /641.html
    13:56=20 - DeeLay
    14:09 - GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1298.html
    14:18=20 - GGrain http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/2189.html
    14:25=20 - OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1816.html
    14:37=20 - ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /640.html
    14:48=20 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /490.html
    15:00=20 - Reaktor 2 Metaphysical
    15:16 - Several Reaktor 5 Ensembles = (effects),=20 starting with Blackbird - David, want to guess what I'm using? = :)
     
    Kris
     
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C6AD09.11503D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 04:07:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A6553BECA; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 04:07:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,170,1151899200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="621242245:sNHT50236282" In-Reply-To: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--859613324 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:07:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 04:07:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--859613324 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Very diverting, thanks! Is it just my own Reaktor prejudice that made =20= the sounds after 15:00 sound richer and more dramatic as well as more =20= coherent...? I could hear some Blackbird, certainly, and a variety of granulation =20 sounds...couldn=92t tell which distortion source(s) you were using... =20= Tell all! dc On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > 15:16 - Several Reaktor 5 Ensembles (effects), starting with =20 > Blackbird - David, want to guess what I'm using? :) > --Apple-Mail-1--859613324 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Very diverting, thanks! Is it = just my own Reaktor prejudice that made the sounds after 15:00 sound = richer and more dramatic as well as more coherent...?
    I could hear = some Blackbird, certainly, and a variety of granulation = sounds...couldn=92t tell which distortion source(s) you were using... = Tell all!
    dc


    On Jul 21, = 2006, at 8:03 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    15:16 - Several = Reaktor 5 Ensembles (effects), starting with Blackbird - David, want to = guess what I'm using? :)
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:12:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_021C_01C6AD12.C90D5AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 04:12:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01C6AD12.C90D5AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. I'll get back on my notebook tomorrow and label the Reaktor = ensembles in the clips as well. Fun! Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Very diverting, thanks! Is it just my own Reaktor prejudice that made = the sounds after 15:00 sound richer and more dramatic as well as more = coherent...? I could hear some Blackbird, certainly, and a variety of granulation = sounds...couldn=92t tell which distortion source(s) you were using... = Tell all! dc On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: 15:16 - Several Reaktor 5 Ensembles (effects), starting with = Blackbird - David, want to guess what I'm using? :) ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01C6AD12.C90D5AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I agree. I'll get back on my notebook = tomorrow and=20 label the Reaktor ensembles in the clips as well. Fun!
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 David=20 Coffin
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 10:07=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound clip = from my=20 notebook computer system

    Very diverting, thanks! Is it just my own Reaktor = prejudice=20 that made the sounds after 15:00 sound richer and more dramatic as = well as=20 more coherent...?
    I could hear some Blackbird, certainly, and a variety of = granulation=20 sounds...couldn=92t tell which distortion source(s) you were using... = Tell=20 all!
    dc


    On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
    15:16 - Several = Reaktor 5=20 Ensembles (effects), starting with Blackbird - David, want to guess = what I'm=20 using? :)
     

    ------=_NextPart_000_021C_01C6AD12.C90D5AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 07:43:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76B4D3BEB8; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:43:17 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <44C164D5.8090200@student.ki.se> Message-ID: <20060722074317.188360@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060720153702.232480@gmx.net> <44C164D5.8090200@student.ki.se> Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kimmo I again took the liberty to post this on LD since it might concern also some other folks ;-) > Does this mean that it is not possible to change between more than three > single phrases during one song seamlessly? Does it lose sync or what > happens? Sounds like a pretty nasty problem. I mean even the RC-20 can > change between 10+ phrases smoothly. Yes, exactly. I think it is a VERY NASTY problem and I'm not sure how many people are really aware of. The problem is: - First, saving/copying patches needs to stop all playback! - Then, switching patches doesn't seem to happen smoooth I don't think it's a sync problem. I think it just has difficulty loading the new patch into some buffer. My impression is that the smaller the patch size is (i.e. one short phrase), the smoother it works. I can only hope that Roland will fix this with a software update that seems to be planned. This is truely a BIG bug in the application. Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 07:58:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 755DC3BED0; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAI92wUSBToht Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060722084832.01c08538@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:58:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just (new tools) In-Reply-To: <20060721212830.01D5A3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060721212830.01D5A3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:58:27 +0000 (UTC) >He may be using a different device these days, but I've met a >surprising number of musicians who prefer to stick with a particular >set of tools, despite newer technologies becoming available. not really surprising, It's easy to think that the latest stuff is going to be better, but often the features that creative musicians use get dropped. Examples Lexicon Vortex does stuff that the top of the range latest FX don't touch. (and let's not have anyone say you can do it in MAX :-) EDP, (that's old too) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 08:26:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE85F3BECC; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.221.137] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:26:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2006 08:26:06.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A79BB40:01C6AD68] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:26:09 +0000 (UTC) unsuscribe >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:06:47 +0200 > >On 19 jul 2006, at 09.34, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >>I just saw this, and I know there are those interested in lidell...... >>http://www.cycling74.com/download/videos/jamie_lidell_web.mov >>or >>http://tinyurl.com/ldgns >>also other interesting new videos, including Kevin Blechdom: >>http://www.cycling74.com/section/artists > > >Thank you for that link! Very interesting to hear his take on max. Right >now I'm in that situation he describes in the opening scene: having kept >Max on my shopping list for years but never actually had the option to set >aside time to get into it. And lately I've found ways to tweak Möbius into >doing most of my dream tricks, almost everything I wanted to make me a max >patch for, so I guess might be learning max on spare time in the future... >eventually. I'm lazy and frightened by having to sit down and program >(instead of making music) and I have a certain feeling that before I have >even come halfway with Max Jeff Larsson would have fully implemented a >similar function in Mobius ;-) > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > _________________________________________________________________ Retrouvez tout en un clin d'oeil avec la barre d'outil MSN Search ! http://desktop.msn.fr/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 10:11:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB703BEC5; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C1F9CC.9060103@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 05:11:24 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050109040704020001030400" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:11:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050109040704020001030400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Krispen, this was a fascinating listen. Though I'm quite far from using laptop-based FX myself, it was great to hear the crazy possibilities (I liked the really un-guitar-like ones the best), and to think of ways to try to replicate some of those sounds with more traditional effects/processing. Thanks for all the details (with track times!) too, this will be an excellent reference for someone who uses VST stuff, kinda like that cd released a few years ago that A/B'd all these different mic pres. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --------------050109040704020001030400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Krispen, this was a fascinating listen. Though I'm quite far from using laptop-based FX myself, it was great to hear the crazy possibilities (I liked the really un-guitar-like ones the best), and to think of ways to try to replicate some of those sounds with more traditional effects/processing. Thanks for all the details (with track times!) too, this will be an excellent reference for someone who uses VST stuff, kinda like that cd released a few years ago that A/B'd all these different mic pres.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com


     --------------050109040704020001030400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 10:21:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C373BEDF; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:20:34 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c6ad78$826a8ea0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcatO2JE7HHeB9QKRbiUdovyzyJpewAOsX0A In-Reply-To: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Whow, quite a set of plugins you use here...I understand I got to talk to my employer that a T2600-equipped notebook will be vital for the success of my work ;). On to some of the plugins you mention: Everything you hear is a VST effect. First I created an initial loop with Mobius, Voxengo Tube Amp simulator, Fat Ass Edge (for pitch down), MHC FlexFx Delay, Kjaerhus Audio Classic Chorus, and ANWIDA Soft DX Reverb. Everything but Fat Ass Edge. This is basically what I've been looking for all the time - something to give me a dub-style bass sound from my guitar input with minimum CPU load. After reading your post, I quickly had to install the plug - and the house shook in Fatboy-Slim-heaven... 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html The representation here doesn't do justice to the vast possibilities of this powerful plugin... 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod Do I remember correctly that you also used this on our 4-23 kybermusik session (just before the two-beat part started)? 03:26 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html (part of my laptop setup...several ones). This gives you some very artifical-sounding pitch shifting, great on vocals! 05:17 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ What I don't like about this plugin is the way the VST interface is implemented, which makes it hard to control it via MIDI CCs in Live. Apart from that, part of my setup, too. 05:33 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ The downside: if you activate it, you get a short gap in the audio. But still, several ones in my setup. 08:11 - Glitchgirl One of those plugins which tend to have short spikes in CPU load - for that reason not used by me. 13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get/641.html some nice stompbox-style distortion/octaver which I can recommend... 14:48 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get/490.html A classic...the nicest thing is the sentence in the manual about playing this synth (paraphrasing here): "the question is: do you play Sun Ra or does it play you?" Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 10:31:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80F923BEE2; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C1FE7D.40702@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 05:31:25 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hexaphonic guitar References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9455@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <001501c6ad2e$e33f11a0$4ccb884a@c1503933a> In-Reply-To: <001501c6ad2e$e33f11a0$4ccb884a@c1503933a> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070502080003000704090904" Resent-Message-ID: <2-aZ4C.A.UrH.G6fwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:31:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070502080003000704090904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is more terrific info, Mark, thanks for the sound samples, I always wondered what hex fuzz was like. Quite dramatic! The fading between hex and regular fuzz is really, really a cool effect. I don't know why, the block chords through hex fuzz make me think of Christmas... The first hexaphonic guitar I ever heard about was the Gittler, which I'm sure people are familiar with. I found a very interesting interview with its creator that some may not have seen: http://www.vintageguitar.com/brands/details.asp?ID=102 The article includes this phrase - " incorporating a pickup and output for each string that could be amplified and modified through a separate system for each string, and sextra-phonically arpeggiated over an entire stage". /Sextra-phonically arpeggiated!/ I just went weak in the knees and I don't even know why! Here's a nice slobber-worthy Gittler pic (those frets look awfully fat, especially high up the "neck", anyone ever play one?): http://www.umanovguitars.com/store/details.asp?prodid=2100&cat=620&path=600,620 sextraphonically, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hope this info helps. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > --------------070502080003000704090904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is more terrific info, Mark, thanks for the sound samples, I always wondered what hex fuzz was like. Quite dramatic! The fading between hex and regular fuzz is really, really a cool effect. I don't know why, the block chords through hex fuzz make me think of Christmas...

    The first hexaphonic guitar I ever heard about was the Gittler, which I'm sure people are familiar with. I found a very interesting interview with its creator that some may not have seen:

    http://www.vintageguitar.com/brands/details.asp?ID=102

    The article includes this phrase - " incorporating a pickup and output for each string that could be amplified and modified through a separate system for each string, and sextra-phonically arpeggiated over an entire stage". Sextra-phonically arpeggiated! I just went weak in the knees and I don't even know why!

    Here's a nice slobber-worthy Gittler pic (those frets look awfully fat, especially high up the "neck", anyone ever play one?):

    http://www.umanovguitars.com/store/details.asp?prodid=2100&cat=620&path=600,620
    sextraphonically,

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    Hope this info helps.

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net/

    --------------070502080003000704090904-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 14:58:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E17883BED2; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026a01c6ad9f$4515f4f0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000b01c6ad78$826a8ea0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:58:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:58:22 +0000 (UTC) ---From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > Fat Ass Edge. This is basically what I've been looking for all the time - > something to give me a dub-style bass sound from my guitar input with > minimum CPU load. After reading your post, I quickly had to install the > plug > - and the house shook in Fatboy-Slim-heaven... yes, Edge was quite a discovery for me. It's the the best octave/pitch VST I've found so far for generating those really huge sub-synth bass sounds. And the tracking is really good. It's a keeper. > 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html > > The representation here doesn't do justice to the vast possibilities of > this > powerful plugin... Agreed....not sure why I used that delay based patch, when I could have used another that really shows off the mulitple filters at play. > 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod > > Do I remember correctly that you also used this on our 4-23 kybermusik > session (just before the two-beat part started)? I believe so. > 08:11 - Glitchgirl > > One of those plugins which tend to have short spikes in CPU load - for > that > reason not used by me. Hmmm...I haven't noticed this, but then again I am using a dual core Intel processors, and so far nothing has brought it to its knees, not even Reaktor. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 15:40:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E72C23BED2; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,171,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="1403989796:sNHT32412324" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--818019652 Message-Id: <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:40:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--818019652 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi there Kris, Wow! That list of plug-ins is really impressive. The sound clip is too. Quite a variety of spacey oddball noises that one could get quite creative with. I love it! I am envious to the point of drooling on myself . . . heheh . . . almost. It's all really kinda funny/ironic to me personally how this laptop thing has developed . . . and is still waaaaaay out of reach for me. WARNING: old geezer fish-story about the "one that got away" follows. A dozen years ago, when I lived in Santa Barbara and worked for Seymour Duncan, I had some friends who worked in some big "think tank" type research centers for a couple of HUGE firms there. I'm talking about really bright guys, mind you. Anywho, one good friend there was listening to me complain about schlepping my big rack around to gigs over beer or something and I predicted that someday all of this stuff would reside in software on a laptop and all I'd need for a gig was a guitar, some cables, a laptop and a bank of MIDI pedals to control it with -- and I'd just play through the house PA and stage monitors. I hoped I lived long enough to see it. Well, this friend happened to actually work with computers, programming, A.I., and digital signal processing on a project for the Department of Defense. He hadn't told me that before because, technically, it was all classified stuff having something to do with "electronic counter-measures" or something. Anywho, he said (a dozen years ago) that it was totally possible THEN in terms of what his computers could do. Commercially available consumer -level computers would soon follow. Later, he got a few of his work friends together for a little demonstration at his house where he had me haul in all my gear, demonstrate how it worked, and talk to them about the musical equipment industry -- or at least what I knew about the guitar-oriented end of it as an "insider" already working in the marketing end of it. At the end of the demo they were all nodding their heads in agreement that such a scheme was not only possible and viable . . . but probably inevitable too. Oh happy day!!! They were all still young-ish middle aged guys and they though it would be a great way to escape the world of "building a better bomb for the Pentagon" and do something positive and creative with their lives. Well, life happens. While they were all still scheming about this little hobby-horse, one guy's wife got pregnant. Another went through a nasty divorce, another guy (my friend) got transferred to Boston (of all places). It never went any further than that . . . talking and thinking about it . . . and dreaming of the day. I did some GUI sketches . . .that's all. Now, it's apparent, that the day is actually here and I have too much money and experience tied up in hardware . . . and my now ancient back is really killing me. I never told you. But, I injured my elbow too in Boise lifting my rack during load-out. It's didn't hurt all that much at the time. But it got worse and worse over the next month or so to the point that I had to go in to the Doctor and get a cortisone shot directly in the elbow for "tennis elbow" a couple of weeks ago. The old body is simply falling apart. Anyway, I digress, laptop technology is finally here, I need it desperately and I cannot afford it. That's the irony. Life happens. Like I said, your list of plug-ins (and the sound they make) are very impressive. I am practically soiling myself over them as it is. You're going to have to set me down and give me a serious demo at the next gig in Boise at the end of August. So . . . there is just one more reason for me to look forward to it. Peace, Ted --Apple-Mail-2--818019652 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi there Kris, Wow! That list of plug-ins is really impressive. The sound clip is too. Quite a variety of spacey oddball noises that one could get quite creative with. I love it! I am envious to the point of drooling on myself . . . heheh . . . almost. It's all really kinda funny/ironic to me personally how this laptop thing has developed . . . and is still waaaaaay out of reach for me. WARNING: old geezer fish-story about the "one that got away" follows. A dozen years ago, when I lived in Santa Barbara and worked for Seymour Duncan, I had some friends who worked in some big "think tank" type research centers for a couple of HUGE firms there. I'm talking about really bright guys, mind you. Anywho, one good friend there was listening to me complain about schlepping my big rack around to gigs over beer or something and I predicted that someday all of this stuff would reside in software on a laptop and all I'd need for a gig was a guitar, some cables, a laptop and a bank of MIDI pedals to control it with -- and I'd just play through the house PA and stage monitors. I hoped I lived long enough to see it. Well, this friend happened to actually work with computers, programming, A.I., and digital signal processing on a project for the Department of Defense. He hadn't told me that before because, technically, it was all classified stuff having something to do with "electronic counter-measures" or something. Anywho, he said (a dozen years ago) that it was totally possible THEN in terms of what his computers could do. Commercially available consumer -level computers would soon follow. Later, he got a few of his work friends together for a little demonstration at his house where he had me haul in all my gear, demonstrate how it worked, and talk to them about the musical equipment industry -- or at least what I knew about the guitar-oriented end of it as an "insider" already working in the marketing end of it. At the end of the demo they were all nodding their heads in agreement that such a scheme was not only possible and viable . . . but probably inevitable too. Oh happy day!!! They were all still young-ish middle aged guys and they though it would be a great way to escape the world of "building a better bomb for the Pentagon" and do something positive and creative with their lives. Well, life happens. While they were all still scheming about this little hobby-horse, one guy's wife got pregnant. Another went through a nasty divorce, another guy (my friend) got transferred to Boston (of all places). It never went any further than that . . . talking and thinking about it . . . and dreaming of the day. I did some GUI sketches . . .that's all. Now, it's apparent, that the day is actually here and I have too much money and experience tied up in hardware . . . and my now ancient back is really killing me. I never told you. But, I injured my elbow too in Boise lifting my rack during load-out. It's didn't hurt all that much at the time. But it got worse and worse over the next month or so to the point that I had to go in to the Doctor and get a cortisone shot directly in the elbow for "tennis elbow" a couple of weeks ago. The old body is simply falling apart. Anyway, I digress, laptop technology is finally here, I need it desperately and I cannot afford it. That's the irony. Life happens. Like I said, your list of plug-ins (and the sound they make) are very impressive. I am practically soiling myself over them as it is. You're going to have to set me down and give me a serious demo at the next gig in Boise at the end of August. So . . . there is just one more reason for me to look forward to it. Peace, Ted --Apple-Mail-2--818019652-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 16:32:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A45A83BEB6; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=C5w7sPdwFLmw0p7I1tZiKrly3ZUlZmJHFIwacYInRhh68BJqW9D8oeRF8WUoGh75iL9t7KfAShXWAC0rL3ahUKHitmeGbxRxpUnDUIhBUE2KW6WeEgTMPzZsJ+wNEaLEGfdYBb+UOEYEl4egI8olYuHIHVeqoQYue0N5jJuhUHA= In-Reply-To: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <735AC9AE-A8A1-470A-891A-0E161301BCBD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Chainer (was: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:32:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Nice listening! In there I recognized the sound from some of my fav plug-ins ;-) and a lot of wonderfully unknown sounds as well. I read up on Chainer but did not find andy information on how it handles sync? I would like to run Mobius in XP like I ran Augustus Looper in OSX last year, so I'm looking for a host application that can sync to Mobius internal MIDI Clock sync signal and follow that tempo while running all the plug-in effects at the correct tempo (i.e. setting the tempo by the first loop created in Mobius). I've been using Ableton Live a lot as the host application but Live is only rock stable when setting the tempo in Live and slaving the looper plug-ins (sad bummer for this very nice software). ehrm.. yes, I do know Max can do this, just if *anyone* was thinking about posting that tip ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 18:12:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF0E53BEC7; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007c01c6adba$981568a0$7ab85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060721180054.39428.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: reverb just on the delays Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:13:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C6AD7F.EAD4BC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <7FAaM.A.POG.nqmwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:12:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C6AD7F.EAD4BC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very long predelay on the reverb accomplishes this effect -- OR -- you = could hang a delay on an aux send of a mixer, sending it through a = reverb on 100% wet... (or the verb before the delay, which I prefer).=20 Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com ; = repeater-users@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: reverb just on the delays=20 On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and close = direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say 20%) has a = big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has some delay, I = think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I think.... =20 I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for = reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the = manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so ever ? Best regards of Rune F =20 www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C6AD7F.EAD4BC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Very long predelay on the reverb = accomplishes this=20 effect -- OR -- you could hang a delay on an aux send of a mixer, = sending it=20 through a reverb on 100% wet... (or the verb before the delay, which I = prefer).=20
     
    Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all = the usual=20 distractions..."
    C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz
    No= w playing=20 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz
    The=20 Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/    <= /DIV>
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 rune=20 fagereng
    To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 ; repeater-users@yahoogroups= .com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 11:00=20 AM
    Subject: reverb just on the = delays

    On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near = and close=20 direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say=20  20%) has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also = has some=20 delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I=20 think....  
     
    I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a = Alesis for=20 reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.
     
    Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, = in the=20 manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so ever = ?
     
    Best regards of Rune=20 = F  


    www.runefagereng.com
    Mail:rune_fagereng@yah= oo.no
    Mob:=20 917 95 867
    ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C6AD7F.EAD4BC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 18:15:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA333BECA; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02dc01c6adba$bd879720$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system (with Reaktor Enembles called out) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:14:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D9_01C6AD88.72064990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:15:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D9_01C6AD88.72064990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is an updated list (far below) with all the Reaktor ensembles = labeled by time. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 The Sample Sound Clip, VSTs, and URLs http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (to download or stream - 25 minutes = long!) Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: = http://www.box.net/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3 You can follow the sounds in the clip in this order, or jump to the = minute:second marker: 00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/509.html 01:01 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/508.html 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html 01:54 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ 02:20 - Pluggo Feedback Network = http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo) 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 03:26 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html 03:39 - NuSofting Morphing Delay = http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Morphing.htm 03:55 - Nusofting Trimmetry = http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm 04:09 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:18 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:27 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get/454.html 04:46 - Crazy Ivan = http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/plug/VST 05:09 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 05:17 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:33 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/ 05:47 - Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get/894.html 06:10 - Glitch Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2094.html 06:19 - Pudding (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1335.html 06:33 - Reversinator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/988.html 06:45 - Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1661.html 06:54 - Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1493.html 07:13 - fxpansion Ringmod=20 07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get/816.html 07:30 - Pluggo Space Echo http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:39 - Pluggo Speed Shifter http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 07:55 - E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get/737.html 08:05 - FX Jockey=20 08:11 - Glitchgirl 08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get/891.html 08:28 - KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/625.html 08:46 - Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get/248.html 09:03 - Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1156.html 09:14 - Univibe by Simulanalog 09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2264.html 10:13 - Crazyator 10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1118.html 10:30 - Pluggo Squirel Parade http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 10:42 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:29 - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno 12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html 13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get/641.html 13:56 - DeeLay 14:09 - GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1298.html 14:18 - GGrain http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2189.html 14:25 - OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1816.html 14:37 - ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/640.html 14:48 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get/490.html 15:00 - Reaktor 2 Metaphysical 15:16 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird 16:00 - Reaktor 5 CrossFX 16:35 - Reaktor 5 Abominatrix005 16:42 - Reaktor 5 Alexander 2 16:53 - Reaktor 5 Amor 17:05 - Reaktor 5 Brain Clown 17:23 - Reaktor 5 Congratulations 17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada Delay 17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux 18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4 18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line 18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator 18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge 18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay 19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb 19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll 19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew 19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree 19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad 20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink 20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1 20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains 20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud 20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay 21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain 21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix 21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay 21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny 21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre 22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion 22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko 22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again) 22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer 23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay 23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay 23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung 23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains 24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several presets/snaps) Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_02D9_01C6AD88.72064990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Here is an updated list (far below) = with all the=20 Reaktor ensembles labeled by time.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    The Sample Sound Clip, VSTs, = and=20 URLs
     
    http://www.box.net/public/f= obok5z5dy (to=20 download or stream - 25 minutes long!)
     
    Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: http://www.box.n= et/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3
     
    You can follow the sounds in the clip = in this=20 order, or jump to the minute:second marker:
     
    00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio= .com/get/509.html
    01:01=20 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio= .com/get/508.html
    01:29=20 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio= .com/get/818.html
    01:54=20 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.s= e/software/plugins/spaceeffect/
    02:20=20 - Pluggo Feedback Network http://www.cycl= ing74.com/products/pluggo)
    03:03=20 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.ar= canedevice.com/?sig_mod
    03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    03:26=20 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1324.html
    03:39=20 - NuSofting Morphing Delay http://nusofting.li= qihsynth.com/Morphing.htm
    03:55=20 - Nusofting Trimmetry http://nusofting.l= iqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm
    04:09=20 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    04:18=20 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    04:27=20 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /454.html
    04:46=20 - Crazy Ivan http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/plug= /VST
    05:09=20 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    05:17=20 - dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelec= tronix.com/
    05:33=20 - dfx Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelec= tronix.com/
    05:47=20 - Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /894.html
    06:10=20 - Glitch Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/2094.html
    06:19=20 - Pudding (http://www.kvraudi= o.com/get/1335.html
    06:33=20 - Reversinator  http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /988.html
    06:45=20 - Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1661.html
    06:54=20 - Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1493.html
    07:13=20 - fxpansion Ringmod
    07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /816.html
    07:30=20 - Pluggo Space Echo http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    07:39=20 - Pluggo Speed Shifter http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    07:55=20 - E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /737.html
    08:05=20 - FX Jockey
    08:11 - Glitchgirl
    08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /891.html
    08:28 =20 - KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio= .com/get/625.html
    08:46=20 - Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /248.html
    09:03=20 - Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1156.html
    09:14=20 - Univibe by Simulanalog
    09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.ar= canedevice.com/?sig_mod
    09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.ar= canedevice.com/?sig_mod
    10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudi= o.com/get/2264.html
    10:13=20 - Crazyator
    10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1118.html
    10:30=20 - Pluggo Squirel Parade http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/pluggo
    10:42=20 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycli= ng74.com/products/hipno
    10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:29  - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com= /products/hipno
    12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/= p_monsterbag.html
    13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /641.html
    13:56=20 - DeeLay
    14:09 - GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1298.html
    14:18=20 - GGrain http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/2189.html
    14:25=20 - OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/ge= t/1816.html
    14:37=20 - ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /640.html
    14:48=20 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get= /490.html
    15:00=20 - Reaktor 2 Metaphysical
    15:16 - Reaktor 5=20 Blackbird
    16:00 - Reaktor 5 CrossFX
    16:35 - Reaktor 5 Abominatrix005
    16:42 - Reaktor 5 Alexander 2
    16:53 - Reaktor 5 Amor
    17:05 - Reaktor 5 Brain Clown
    17:23 - Reaktor 5 Congratulations
    17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada = Delay
    17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux
    18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4
    18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line
    18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator
    18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge
    18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay
    19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb
    19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll
    19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew
    19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree
    19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad
    20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink
    20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1
    20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains
    20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud
    20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay
    21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain
    21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix
    21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay
    21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny
    21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre
    22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion
    22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko
    22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again)
    22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer
    23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay
    23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay
    23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung
    23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains
    24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several=20 presets/snaps)
     
    Kris
     
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com /=20 www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_02D9_01C6AD88.72064990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 18:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39BA43BEB3; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:24:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F3_01C6AD89.BE9F8D10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <2CZd4.A.J-G.S1mwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:24:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F3_01C6AD89.BE9F8D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amazing story Ted. Thanks for sharing. When you decide to go all laptop, = you can come to Boise, and we can spend a day building your system. I'll = basically be your consultant and help you get the sounds you want, = recommend software, etc. We would have to talk beforehand so that you = could get your software purchased or downloaded beforehand. =20 Some of the reasons you state for having to move away from a large rack = system are exactly my own. After back surgery last December, things down = there still aren't the same, and I even hurt it again lifting my Mesa = Boogie Mark I for my jazz gig a month ago. That was the straw that broke = the camel's back...heh heh...to play on words here. I sold the Boogie, = bought a light Roland Cube 30, and now I can go to a looping gig with = just my guitar, notebook, and Behringer MIDI controller...nothing else. = And I save my back and other appendages, muscles, etc from further = damage. I have a backup rack on the side with a Looperlative, two Boss = VF1s, and a Fireworx it it...but the chances of me using it are very = slim...I may use it just a few times a year out of guilt. Who knows, I = may sell it some day as a package deal. If someone made me an offer, I = may just take it out of compulsion. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Hi there Kris, Wow! That list of plug-ins is really impressive. The sound clip is = too. Quite a variety of spacey oddball noises that one could get quite creative with. I love it! I am envious to the point of drooling on = myself=20 . . . heheh . . . almost. It's all really kinda funny/ironic to me = personally=20 how this laptop thing has developed . . . and is still waaaaaay out=20 of reach for me.=20 WARNING: old geezer fish-story about the "one that got away" follows. A dozen years ago, when I lived in Santa Barbara and worked for=20 Seymour Duncan, I had some friends who worked in some big "think=20 tank" type research centers for a couple of HUGE firms there. I'm = talking=20 about really bright guys, mind you. Anywho, one good friend there=20 was listening to me complain about schlepping my big rack around to gigs over beer or something and I predicted that someday all of this stuff would reside in software on a laptop and all I'd need for=20 a gig was a guitar, some cables, a laptop and a bank of MIDI pedals=20 to control it with -- and I'd just play through the house PA and stage monitors. I hoped I lived long enough to see it. Well, this friend happened to actually work with computers, = programming, A.I., and digital signal processing on a project for the Department of = Defense. He hadn't told me that before because, technically, it was all = classified stuff=20 having something to do with "electronic counter-measures" or = something. Anywho, he said (a dozen years ago) that it was totally possible THEN=20 in terms of what his computers could do. Commercially available=20 consumer -level computers would soon follow. Later, he got a few of his work friends together for a little = demonstration=20 at his house where he had me haul in all my gear, demonstrate how it=20 worked, and talk to them about the musical equipment industry -- or at least what I knew about the guitar-oriented end of it as an = "insider" already working in the marketing end of it. At the end of the demo = they=20 were all nodding their heads in agreement that such a scheme was not=20 only possible and viable . . . but probably inevitable too. Oh happy = day!!! They were all still young-ish middle aged guys and they though it = would be a great way to escape the world of "building a better bomb for the Pentagon" and do something positive and creative with their lives. Well, life happens. While they were all still scheming about this = little hobby-horse, one guy's wife got pregnant. Another went through a nasty divorce, another guy (my friend) got transferred to Boston (of all = places).=20 It never went any further than that . . . talking and thinking about = it . . . and dreaming of the day. I did some GUI sketches . . .that's = all. Now, it's apparent, that the day is actually here and I have too much = money=20 and experience tied up in hardware . . . and my now ancient back is = really killing me. I never told you. But, I injured my elbow too in Boise = lifting my rack=20 during load-out. It's didn't hurt all that much at the time. But it = got worse and worse over the next month or so to the point that I had to go in = to the Doctor and get a cortisone shot directly in the elbow for "tennis = elbow" a couple of weeks ago. The old body is simply falling apart.=20 Anyway, I digress, laptop technology is finally here, I need it = desperately and I cannot afford it. That's the irony. Life happens. Like I said, your list of plug-ins (and the sound they make) are very = impressive. I am practically soiling myself over them as it is. You're going to = have to set me down and give me a serious demo at the next gig in Boise at the = end of August. So . . . there is just one more reason for me to look = forward to it. Peace, Ted ------=_NextPart_000_02F3_01C6AD89.BE9F8D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Amazing story Ted. Thanks for sharing. = When you=20 decide to go all laptop, you can come to Boise, and we can spend a day = building=20 your system. I'll basically be your consultant and help you get the = sounds you=20 want, recommend software, etc. We would have to talk beforehand so that = you=20 could get your software purchased or downloaded beforehand.  =
     
    Some of the reasons you state for = having to move=20 away from a large rack system are exactly my own. After back surgery = last=20 December, things down there still aren't the same, and I even hurt it = again=20 lifting my Mesa Boogie Mark I for my jazz gig a month ago. That was the = straw=20 that broke the camel's back...heh heh...to play on words here.  I = sold the=20 Boogie, bought a light Roland Cube 30, and now I can go to a = looping gig=20 with just my guitar, notebook, and Behringer MIDI controller...nothing=20 else.  And I save my back and other appendages, muscles, etc from = further=20 damage.  I have a backup rack on the side with a Looperlative,=20 two Boss VF1s, and a Fireworx it it...but the chances of me using = it are=20 very slim...I may use it just a few times a year out of guilt.  Who = knows,=20 I may sell it some day as a package deal. If someone made me an offer, I = may=20 just take it out of compulsion.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 9:40=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound clip = from my=20 notebook computer system

    Hi there Kris,

    Wow! That list of plug-ins is = really=20 impressive. The sound clip is too.
    Quite a variety of spacey = oddball noises=20 that one could get quite
    creative with. I love it! I am envious to = the=20 point of drooling on myself
    . . . heheh . . . almost. It's all = really=20 kinda funny/ironic to me personally
    how this laptop thing has = developed .=20 . . and is still waaaaaay out
    of reach for me. =

    WARNING: old=20 geezer fish-story about the "one that got away" follows.

    A = dozen years=20 ago, when I lived in Santa Barbara and worked for
    Seymour Duncan, = I had=20 some friends who worked in some big "think
    tank" type research = centers for=20 a couple of HUGE firms there. I'm talking
    about really bright = guys, mind=20 you. Anywho, one good friend there
    was listening to me complain = about=20 schlepping my big rack around
    to gigs over beer or something and I=20 predicted that someday all of
    this stuff would reside in software = on a=20 laptop and all I'd need for
    a gig was a guitar, some cables, a = laptop and=20 a bank of MIDI pedals
    to control it with -- and I'd just play = through the=20 house PA and stage
    monitors. I hoped I lived long enough to see=20 it.

    Well, this friend happened to actually work with computers, = programming,
    A.I., and digital signal processing on a project for = the=20 Department of Defense.
    He hadn't told me that before because, = technically,=20 it was all classified stuff
    having something to do with = "electronic=20 counter-measures" or something.
    Anywho, he said (a dozen years ago) = that it=20 was totally possible THEN
    in terms of what his computers = could do.=20 Commercially available
    consumer -level computers would soon=20 follow.

    Later, he got a few of his work friends together for a = little=20 demonstration
    at his house where he had me haul in all my gear,=20 demonstrate how it
    worked, and talk to them about the musical = equipment=20 industry -- or
    at least what I knew about the guitar-oriented end = of it as=20 an "insider"
    already working in the marketing end of it. At the end = of the=20 demo they
    were all nodding their heads in agreement that such a = scheme was=20 not
    only possible and viable . . . but probably inevitable too. Oh = happy=20 day!!!

    They were all still young-ish middle aged guys and they = though=20 it would
    be a great way to escape the world of "building a better = bomb for=20 the
    Pentagon" and do something positive and creative with their=20 lives.
    Well, life happens. While they were all still scheming about = this=20 little
    hobby-horse, one guy's wife got pregnant. Another went = through a=20 nasty
    divorce, another guy (my friend) got transferred to Boston = (of all=20 places).
    It never went any further than that . . . talking and = thinking=20 about it
    . . . and dreaming of the day. I did some GUI sketches . . = .that's=20 all.

    Now, it's apparent, that the day is actually here and I = have too=20 much money
    and experience tied up in hardware . . . and my now = ancient=20 back is really
    killing me. I never told you. But, I injured my = elbow too in=20 Boise lifting my rack
    during load-out. It's didn't hurt all that = much at=20 the time. But it got worse
    and worse over the next month or so to = the point=20 that I had to go in to
    the Doctor and get a cortisone shot directly = in the=20 elbow for "tennis elbow"
    a couple of weeks ago. The old body is = simply=20 falling apart.

    Anyway, I digress, laptop technology is finally = here, I=20 need it desperately
    and I cannot afford it. That's the irony. Life=20 happens.

    Like I said, your list of plug-ins (and the sound they = make)=20 are very impressive.
    I am practically soiling myself over them as = it is.=20 You're going to have to
    set me down and give me a serious demo at = the next=20 gig in Boise at the end
    of August. So . . . there is just one more = reason=20 for me to look forward to=20 it.

    Peace,

    Ted
    ------=_NextPart_000_02F3_01C6AD89.BE9F8D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 18:31:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC0873BEB8; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:31:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <_3qfOB.A.1RH.R8mwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. BTW, Lovely to chat yesterday. Jeff > =A0 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:40 AM >> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >> >> Hi there Kris, >> >> Wow! That list of plug-ins is really impressive. The sound clip is=20 >> too. >> Quite a variety of spacey oddball noises that one could get quite >> creative with. I love it! I am envious to the point of drooling on=20 >> myself >> . . . heheh . . . almost. It's all really kinda funny/ironic to me=20 >> personally >> how this laptop thing has developed . . . and is still waaaaaay out >> of reach for me. >> >> WARNING: old geezer fish-story about the "one that got away" follows. >> >> A dozen years ago, when I lived in Santa Barbara and worked for >> Seymour Duncan, I had some friends who worked in some big "think >> tank" type research centers for a couple of HUGE firms there. I'm=20 >> talking >> about really bright guys, mind you. Anywho, one good friend there >> was listening to me complain about schlepping my big rack around >> to gigs over beer or something and I predicted that someday all of >> this stuff would reside in software on a laptop and all I'd need for >> a gig was a guitar, some cables, a laptop and a bank of MIDI pedals >> to control it with -- and I'd just play through the house PA and = stage >> monitors. I hoped I lived long enough to see it. >> >> Well, this friend happened to actually work with computers,=20 >> programming, >> A.I., and digital signal processing on a project for the Department=20= >> of Defense. >> He hadn't told me that before because, technically, it was all=20 >> classified stuff >> having something to do with "electronic counter-measures" or=20 >> something. >> Anywho, he said (a dozen years ago) that it was totally possible THEN >> in terms of what his computers could do. Commercially available >> consumer -level computers would soon follow. >> >> Later, he got a few of his work friends together for a little=20 >> demonstration >> at his house where he had me haul in all my gear, demonstrate how it >> worked, and talk to them about the musical equipment industry -- or >> at least what I knew about the guitar-oriented end of it as an=20 >> "insider" >> already working in the marketing end of it. At the end of the demo=20 >> they >> were all nodding their heads in agreement that such a scheme was not >> only possible and viable . . . but probably inevitable too. Oh happy=20= >> day!!! >> >> They were all still young-ish middle aged guys and they though it=20 >> would >> be a great way to escape the world of "building a better bomb for the >> Pentagon" and do something positive and creative with their lives. >> Well, life happens. While they were all still scheming about this=20 >> little >> hobby-horse, one guy's wife got pregnant. Another went through a = nasty >> divorce, another guy (my friend) got transferred to Boston (of all=20 >> places). >> It never went any further than that . . . talking and thinking about=20= >> it >> . . . and dreaming of the day. I did some GUI sketches . . .that's=20 >> all. >> >> Now, it's apparent, that the day is actually here and I have too much=20= >> money >> and experience tied up in hardware . . . and my now ancient back is=20= >> really >> killing me. I never told you. But, I injured my elbow too in Boise=20 >> lifting my rack >> during load-out. It's didn't hurt all that much at the time. But it=20= >> got worse >> and worse over the next month or so to the point that I had to go in=20= >> to >> the Doctor and get a cortisone shot directly in the elbow for "tennis=20= >> elbow" >> a couple of weeks ago. The old body is simply falling apart. >> >> Anyway, I digress, laptop technology is finally here, I need it=20 >> desperately >> and I cannot afford it. That's the irony. Life happens. >> >> Like I said, your list of plug-ins (and the sound they make) are very=20= >> impressive. >> I am practically soiling myself over them as it is. You're going to=20= >> have to >> set me down and give me a serious demo at the next gig in Boise at=20 >> the end >> of August. So . . . there is just one more reason for me to look=20 >> forward to it. >> >> Peace, >> >> Ted= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 19:16:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E85013BEB9; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:16:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :) Addiction to hardware is a serious thing. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. BTW, Lovely to chat yesterday. Jeff > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: tEd ® kiLLiAn >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:40 AM >> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >> >> Hi there Kris, >> >> Wow! That list of plug-ins is really impressive. The sound clip is too. >> Quite a variety of spacey oddball noises that one could get quite >> creative with. I love it! I am envious to the point of drooling on myself >> . . . heheh . . . almost. It's all really kinda funny/ironic to me >> personally >> how this laptop thing has developed . . . and is still waaaaaay out >> of reach for me. >> >> WARNING: old geezer fish-story about the "one that got away" follows. >> >> A dozen years ago, when I lived in Santa Barbara and worked for >> Seymour Duncan, I had some friends who worked in some big "think >> tank" type research centers for a couple of HUGE firms there. I'm talking >> about really bright guys, mind you. Anywho, one good friend there >> was listening to me complain about schlepping my big rack around >> to gigs over beer or something and I predicted that someday all of >> this stuff would reside in software on a laptop and all I'd need for >> a gig was a guitar, some cables, a laptop and a bank of MIDI pedals >> to control it with -- and I'd just play through the house PA and stage >> monitors. I hoped I lived long enough to see it. >> >> Well, this friend happened to actually work with computers, programming, >> A.I., and digital signal processing on a project for the Department of >> Defense. >> He hadn't told me that before because, technically, it was all classified >> stuff >> having something to do with "electronic counter-measures" or something. >> Anywho, he said (a dozen years ago) that it was totally possible THEN >> in terms of what his computers could do. Commercially available >> consumer -level computers would soon follow. >> >> Later, he got a few of his work friends together for a little >> demonstration >> at his house where he had me haul in all my gear, demonstrate how it >> worked, and talk to them about the musical equipment industry -- or >> at least what I knew about the guitar-oriented end of it as an "insider" >> already working in the marketing end of it. At the end of the demo they >> were all nodding their heads in agreement that such a scheme was not >> only possible and viable . . . but probably inevitable too. Oh happy >> day!!! >> >> They were all still young-ish middle aged guys and they though it would >> be a great way to escape the world of "building a better bomb for the >> Pentagon" and do something positive and creative with their lives. >> Well, life happens. While they were all still scheming about this little >> hobby-horse, one guy's wife got pregnant. Another went through a nasty >> divorce, another guy (my friend) got transferred to Boston (of all >> places). >> It never went any further than that . . . talking and thinking about it >> . . . and dreaming of the day. I did some GUI sketches . . .that's all. >> >> Now, it's apparent, that the day is actually here and I have too much >> money >> and experience tied up in hardware . . . and my now ancient back is >> really >> killing me. I never told you. But, I injured my elbow too in Boise >> lifting my rack >> during load-out. It's didn't hurt all that much at the time. But it got >> worse >> and worse over the next month or so to the point that I had to go in to >> the Doctor and get a cortisone shot directly in the elbow for "tennis >> elbow" >> a couple of weeks ago. The old body is simply falling apart. >> >> Anyway, I digress, laptop technology is finally here, I need it >> desperately >> and I cannot afford it. That's the irony. Life happens. >> >> Like I said, your list of plug-ins (and the sound they make) are very >> impressive. >> I am practically soiling myself over them as it is. You're going to have >> to >> set me down and give me a serious demo at the next gig in Boise at the >> end >> of August. So . . . there is just one more reason for me to look forward >> to it. >> >> Peace, >> >> Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 19:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E1203BEC2; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,171,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="568076343:sNHT863517288" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--802998704 Message-Id: <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:51:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:51:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--802998704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Jeff, On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off =20 bunches of perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting the =20 "latest greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time I =20 wind up being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that it's =20= sorta heartbreaking. After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I =20 finally sound like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I have =20= to learn new things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving up =20= that other aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting =20 proposition that will probably have to take some significant other motivating =20 factor to get me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . but =20= so far it's only pain. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-3--802998704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeff, On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off bunches of=20 perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting the "latest=20 greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time I wind up=20 being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that it's sorta heartbreaking. After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I finally sound=20 like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I have to learn new=20 things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving up that other=20 aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting proposition=20 that will probably have to take some significant other motivating factor to get=20 me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . but so far=20 it's only pain. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 9B9A,9B9A,9B9A"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-3--802998704-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 19:56:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DA373BECA; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:54:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Ted: It's not only affecting you, but the people who LOVE you. Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :) Addiction=20= > to hardware is a serious thing. > > K-= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 20:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F303B3BEC7; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:02:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_033C_01C6AD97.83C4AF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:02:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_033C_01C6AD97.83C4AF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that you = don't have to go without full functioning system for any period of = time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system. Once = you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you = build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host like = Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and then take = advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there. You will be = amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware system with = just free VSTs...astounding.=20 ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you can = start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more expensive = and higher quality VST effects and hosts. You could buy sophisticated = VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, Hipno, etc. = And you could get more sophisticated VST hosts, like MAX/MSP, if you = choose. Next thing you know, you have gradually replaced every cell in = your guitar system body with a new cell...hope you like the analogy. So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it = being too painful, radical, or costly. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Jeff, On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off = bunches of=20 perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting the = "latest=20 greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time I = wind up=20 being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that = it's sorta heartbreaking. After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I = finally sound=20 like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I have = to learn new=20 things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving up = that other=20 aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting = proposition=20 that will probably have to take some significant other motivating = factor to get=20 me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . = but so far=20 it's only pain. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_033C_01C6AD97.83C4AF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Ted, the trick is to build your = computer system on=20 the side so that you don't have to go without full functioning system = for any=20 period of time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook = system. =20 Once you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you = build a=20 basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host like = Chainer,=20 EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and then take advantage = of the=20 thousands of free VST effects out there.  You will be amazed at how = many=20 effects you can replace in your hardware system with just free=20 VSTs...astounding.
     
    ...then, once you get that basic = notebook system up=20 and running, you can start selling one hardware effect at a time to = purchase=20 more expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts.  You could = buy=20 sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, = Hipno,=20 etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST hosts, = like MAX/MSP, if=20 you choose.  Next thing you know, you have gradually replaced = every=20 cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope you like the=20 analogy.
     
    So, there is a relatively easy way to = make the=20 transition without it being too painful, radical, or = costly.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 1:51=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound clip = from my=20 notebook computer system

    Jeff,

    On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser=20 wrote:

    Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop.

    I = might=20 just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off bunches = of=20
    perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting = the=20 "latest
    greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of = the time=20 I wind up
    being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I = hadn't=20 that it's sorta
    heartbreaking.

    After 43 years of playing I = finally=20 have a set of sounds I like, I finally sound
    like myself (I = think). And I=20 still have the depth in what gear I have to learn new
    things -- = room for=20 growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving up that other =
    aspect (my=20 personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting proposition =
    that will=20 probably have to take some significant other motivating factor to get =
    me=20 to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . but = so far=20
    it's only pain.

    Peace,

    tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always = better,=20 but better is always=20 = different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

    http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview= _profile&id=3D121197000042

    Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
    BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
    ------=_NextPart_000_033C_01C6AD97.83C4AF50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 20:04:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96CA73BED5; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <034801c6adca$1105ce30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:04:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Shall we develop the 12 steps to transitioning from a hardware to notebook guitar system? :) First step: realizing that you are addicted to hardware. Second step: you are powerless and cannot do this by yourself....and so on. k- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Ted: It's not only affecting you, but the people who LOVE you. Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Jul 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :) Addiction to > hardware is a serious thing. > > K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 20:48:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07DE43BEDA; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:48:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0352_01C6AD9D.EC3BF1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:48:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0352_01C6AD9D.EC3BF1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio Firewire = Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my Echo Indio IO = card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual mic XLR and as = well as 1/4 inch inputs. However, my notebook doesn't have firewire, = only USB 2.0.=20 I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the = trick, like this one: = http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm Can anyone else make any recommendations? Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that = you don't have to go without full functioning system for any period of = time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system. Once = you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you = build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host like = Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and then take = advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there. You will be = amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware system with = just free VSTs...astounding.=20 ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you = can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more = expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts. You could buy = sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, = Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST hosts, like = MAX/MSP, if you choose. Next thing you know, you have gradually = replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope = you like the analogy. So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it = being too painful, radical, or costly. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Jeff, On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off = bunches of=20 perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting the = "latest=20 greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time I = wind up=20 being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that = it's sorta heartbreaking. After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I = finally sound=20 like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I = have to learn new=20 things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving = up that other=20 aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting = proposition=20 that will probably have to take some significant other motivating = factor to get=20 me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . = but so far=20 it's only pain. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0352_01C6AD9D.EC3BF1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    While we're on this topic. I am = thinking of getting=20 the m-Audio Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't = like my=20 Echo Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual = mic XLR=20 and as well as 1/4 inch inputs.  However, my notebook doesn't have=20 firewire, only USB 2.0.
     
    I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 = converters=20 that will do the trick, like this one: http://ww= w.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm
     
    Can anyone else make any=20 recommendations?
     
    Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: htt= p://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html
     
    Kris
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 2:02=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound clip = from my=20 notebook computer system

    Ted, the trick is to build your = computer system=20 on the side so that you don't have to go without full functioning = system for=20 any period of time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook=20 system.  Once you get your notebook computer and sound card, then = we can=20 help you build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive = VST host=20 like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and = then take=20 advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there.  You = will be=20 amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware system = with just=20 free VSTs...astounding.
     
    ...then, once you get that basic = notebook system=20 up and running, you can start selling one hardware effect at a time to = purchase more expensive and higher quality VST effects and = hosts.  You=20 could buy sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and = PSP42,=20 Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated = VST hosts,=20 like MAX/MSP, if you choose.  Next thing you know, you = have=20 gradually replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new=20 cell...hope you like the analogy.
     
    So, there is a relatively easy way to = make the=20 transition without it being too painful, radical, or = costly.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 1:51=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound = clip from my=20 notebook computer system

    Jeff,

    On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff = Kaiser=20 wrote:

    Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop.

    I = might=20 just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off bunches = of=20
    perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting = the=20 "latest
    greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 = of the=20 time I wind up
    being so disappointed with the new stuff and = wishin' I=20 hadn't that it's sorta
    heartbreaking.

    After 43 years of = playing I=20 finally have a set of sounds I like, I finally sound
    like myself = (I=20 think). And I still have the depth in what gear I have to learn new=20
    things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but = giving up=20 that other
    aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a = daunting proposition
    that will probably have to take some = significant=20 other motivating factor to get
    me to give in, turn loose, = whatever. Pain=20 is a good motivator . . . but so far
    it's only=20 pain.

    Peace,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always=20 better, but better is always=20 = different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

    http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview= _profile&id=3D121197000042

    Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
    BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
    AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. = Blah,=20 blah, blah. So???
    ------=_NextPart_000_0352_01C6AD9D.EC3BF1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 21:35:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F6E53BEB8; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,171,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="337272968:sNHT24595376" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--796732462 Message-Id: <30e17758a9a0ae36429d63a22fafc9fa@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:35:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:35:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--796732462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Krisp, I'm enjoying this discussion -- even though it is taking on certain=20 aspects of an behavior altering "intervention" at my expense . . . heheheh. I love=20= all of you guys too. Another slight hiccup in the plan is I already have a few computers and=20= one laptop, all of which are Macintoshes. I am a long time graphic designer=20= type and only slightly speak "PC" if you know what I mean. I know just=20 enough to be able to turn one on an launch a simple program or game. check my=20 e-mail and turn the thing off again. In other words . . . on a PC . . . I'm=20 useless. I am a fairly "expert" level user on a Mac (in general) 'cuz I've been=20= using them continuously since the mid to late '80s. I have an M-Box and=20 ProTools and can record audio. I even have a Live, Reason, and a bunch of other=20= bits of software that came bundled with the M-Box and some other software packages I've purchased over the years. It won't be cheap getting a Mac computer that'll do all the stuff I=20 want to do. I'm sure my current little iBook doesn't have the horsepower to run all of=20= that stuff. Plus, family budget considerations will not likely allow that I can buy=20= a lappy of any sort JUST to do music stuff with it. All of my computer=20 purchases so far have been serious professional graphic business tools that I could=20= write off as business expenses at tax time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuses, excuses, excuses . . . Peace y'all! Ted On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that=20 > you don't have to go without full functioning system for any period of=20= > time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system.=A0 = Once=20 > you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you=20 > build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host=20 > like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and=20 > then take advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there.=A0=20= > You will be amazed at how many effects you can replace in your=20 > hardware system with just free VSTs...astounding. > =A0 > ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you=20= > can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more=20 > expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts.=A0 You could buy=20= > sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42,=20 > Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST=A0hosts,=20= > like=A0MAX/MSP, if you=A0choose. =A0Next thing you know, you have = gradually=20 > replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope=20= > you like the analogy. > =A0 > So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it=20= > being too painful, radical, or costly. > =A0 > Kris > =A0= --Apple-Mail-4--796732462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Krisp, I'm enjoying this discussion -- even though it is taking on certain aspects of an behavior altering "intervention" at my expense . . . heheheh. I love all of you guys too. Another slight hiccup in the plan is I already have a few computers and one laptop, all of which are Macintoshes. I am a long time graphic designer type and only slightly speak "PC" if you know what I mean. I know just enough to be able to turn one on an launch a simple program or game. check my e-mail and turn the thing off again. In other words . . . on a PC . . . I'm useless. I am a fairly "expert" level user on a Mac (in general) 'cuz I've been using=20 them continuously since the mid to late '80s. I have an M-Box and ProTools and can record audio. I even have a Live, Reason, and a bunch of other bits=20 of software that came bundled with the M-Box and some other software=20 packages I've purchased over the years. It won't be cheap getting a Mac computer that'll do all the stuff I want to do. I'm sure my current little iBook doesn't have the horsepower to run all of that stuff. Plus, family budget considerations will not likely allow that I can buy a lappy=20 of any sort JUST to do music stuff with it. All of my computer purchases so far have been serious professional graphic business tools that I could write=20 off as business expenses at tax time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuses, excuses, excuses . . .=20 Peace y'all! Ted On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that you don't have to go without full functioning system for any period of time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system.=A0 Once you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and then take advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there.=A0 You will be amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware system with just free = VSTs...astounding. =A0 ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts.=A0 You could buy sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST=A0hosts, like=A0MAX/MSP, if you=A0choose. =A0Next thing you know, = you have gradually replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope you like the analogy. =A0 So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it being too painful, radical, or costly. =A0 Kris =A0= --Apple-Mail-4--796732462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 22:40:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0717D3BEC5; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:40:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Check out the Presonus Firebox http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-FIREBOX-24bit96kHz-=20 FireWire-Recording-System?sku=3D184133 or http://tinyurl.com/ga9xm for my money the pre-amps sound better Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio =20 > Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my Echo = =20 > Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual mic = =20 > XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs.=A0 However, my notebook doesn't = have =20 > firewire, only USB 2.0. > =A0 > I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the =20 > trick, like this one: =20 > http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm > =A0 > Can anyone else make any recommendations? > =A0 > Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: =20 > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html > =A0 > Kris > =A0 > =A0 > =A0 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Krispen Hartung >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM >> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >> >> Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that =20= >> you don't have to go without full functioning system for any period =20= >> of time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system.=A0 = =20 >> Once you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help =20= >> you build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST =20= >> host like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), =20= >> and then take advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out =20 >> there.=A0 You will be amazed at how many effects you can replace in =20= >> your hardware system with just free VSTs...astounding. >> =A0 >> ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you =20= >> can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more =20 >> expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts.=A0 You could buy =20= >> sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, =20 >> Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST=A0hosts, = =20 >> like=A0MAX/MSP, if you=A0choose. =A0Next thing you know, you have = gradually =20 >> replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope = =20 >> you like the analogy. >> =A0 >> So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it =20= >> being too painful, radical, or costly. >> =A0 >> Kris >> =A0 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >>> >>> Jeff, >>> >>> On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >>> >>>> Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. >>> >>> I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off = =20 >>> bunches of >>> perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting the = =20 >>> "latest >>> greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time I = =20 >>> wind up >>> being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that =20= >>> it's sorta >>> heartbreaking. >>> >>> After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I =20= >>> finally sound >>> like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I =20 >>> have to learn new >>> things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving =20= >>> up that other >>> aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting =20 >>> proposition >>> that will probably have to take some significant other motivating =20= >>> factor to get >>> me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . =20= >>> but so far >>> it's only pain. >>> >>> Peace, >>> >>> tEd =AE kiLLiAn >>> >>> "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >>> >>> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >>> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >>> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 >>> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 >>> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >>> >>> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 >>> step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 >>> >>> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >>> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >>> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >>> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >>> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 22:43:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E878F3BEC7; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7e1442beccd9c27f5269b42e28c86063@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:43:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:43:51 +0000 (UTC) whoops! I am blind: "don't have firewire..." jeez, buy a mac already... :-) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Check out the Presonus Firebox > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-FIREBOX-24bit96kHz-=20 > FireWire-Recording-System?sku=3D184133 > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/ga9xm > > for my money the pre-amps sound better > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > > On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio =20 >> Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my =20 >> Echo Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of having an =20 >> actual mic XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs.=A0 However, my = notebook =20 >> doesn't have firewire, only USB 2.0. >> =A0 >> I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the =20= >> trick, like this one: =20 >> http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm >> =A0 >> Can anyone else make any recommendations? >> =A0 >> Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: =20 >> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html >> =A0 >> Kris >> =A0 >> =A0 >> =A0 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Krispen Hartung >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >>> >>> Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that =20= >>> you don't have to go without full functioning system for any period =20= >>> of time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system.=A0 = =20 >>> Once you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help = =20 >>> you build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST =20= >>> host like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), =20= >>> and then take advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out =20 >>> there.=A0 You will be amazed at how many effects you can replace in =20= >>> your hardware system with just free VSTs...astounding. >>> =A0 >>> ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you = =20 >>> can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more =20 >>> expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts.=A0 You could buy = =20 >>> sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, =20 >>> Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST=A0hosts, = =20 >>> like=A0MAX/MSP, if you=A0choose. =A0Next thing you know, you have =20= >>> gradually replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new =20= >>> cell...hope you like the analogy. >>> =A0 >>> So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it = =20 >>> being too painful, radical, or costly. >>> =A0 >>> Kris >>> =A0 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >>>> >>>> Jeff, >>>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. >>>> >>>> I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling =20= >>>> off bunches of >>>> perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting =20= >>>> the "latest >>>> greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time =20= >>>> I wind up >>>> being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that =20= >>>> it's sorta >>>> heartbreaking. >>>> >>>> After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I =20= >>>> finally sound >>>> like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I =20= >>>> have to learn new >>>> things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving =20= >>>> up that other >>>> aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting =20 >>>> proposition >>>> that will probably have to take some significant other motivating =20= >>>> factor to get >>>> me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . = =20 >>>> but so far >>>> it's only pain. >>>> >>>> Peace, >>>> >>>> tEd =AE kiLLiAn >>>> >>>> "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >>>> >>>> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>>> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>>> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >>>> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >>>> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 >>>> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 >>>> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >>>> >>>> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 >>>> step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 >>>> >>>> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >>>> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >>>> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >>>> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >>>> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 23:05:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DF873BEE9; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:04:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:05:08 +0000 (UTC) At 2:48 PM -0600 7/22/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >Can anyone else make any recommendations? Um, howzabout: before you start futzing with another soundcard, backup your system...? <*duckflee!!!*> ;) --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 23:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8DE23BED3; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:27:43 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6ade6$6f40d140$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: Acat0DpTFaTDEjnQTAepu0+Iz5BtywAFOhqg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:27:48 +0000 (UTC) There doesn't seem to be a big choice of USB2 pro audio interfaces. One I think looks cool is the Marian Ucon: http://www.marian.de/en/products/ucon_cx Short abstract: 4 Mic/Instrument ins (XLR w/ PP), 4 line ins (1/4 bal.), 8 line outs (1/4 bal), ADAT I/O (shares a connector with SPDIF I/O opt.), 1 MIDI In, 2 MIDI Out, separate out for the internal mixer 2bus, phones. 9.5'' 1HU. The only downside I'm able to see: no coax S/PDIF. This might be more than what you aim for, but it's the only cool USB2 interface (at least it was the last time I looked). Also consider this: the PC implementations of Firewire don't provide bus power - USB2 does. Rainer ________________________________ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juli 2006 22:49 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my Echo Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual mic XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs. However, my notebook doesn't have firewire, only USB 2.0. I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the trick, like this one: http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm Can anyone else make any recommendations? Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 22 23:29:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F337D3BEDE; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:29:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6ADEF.06986F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:29:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6ADEF.06986F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kris, I just acquired a Tascam us122. 2 in 2 out, XLR/line or hi impedance guitar, direct monitoring, phantom = power xlr, usb and - no power supply!! 24 bit - bloody marvelous - its my main card now Oh and MIDI too!!!!! G ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio = Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my Echo = Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual mic = XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs. However, my notebook doesn't have = firewire, only USB 2.0.=20 I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the = trick, like this one: = http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm Can anyone else make any recommendations? Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that = you don't have to go without full functioning system for any period of = time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system. Once = you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you = build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host like = Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and then take = advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there. You will be = amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware system with = just free VSTs...astounding.=20 ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you = can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more = expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts. You could buy = sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, = Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST hosts, like = MAX/MSP, if you choose. Next thing you know, you have gradually = replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope = you like the analogy. So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it = being too painful, radical, or costly. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Jeff, On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling = off bunches of=20 perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting = the "latest=20 greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time = I wind up=20 being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that = it's sorta heartbreaking. After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I = finally sound=20 like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I = have to learn new=20 things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving = up that other=20 aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting = proposition=20 that will probably have to take some significant other motivating = factor to get=20 me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . = . but so far=20 it's only pain. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6ADEF.06986F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Kris,
    I just acquired a Tascam = us122.
    2 in 2 out, XLR/line or hi = impedance guitar,=20 direct monitoring, phantom power xlr, usb and - no power=20 supply!!
    24 bit - bloody marvelous - its my main = card=20 now
    Oh and
    MIDI too!!!!!
     
    G
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 9:48=20 PM
    Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 = Adaptors for=20 M-Audio Firewire Solo

    While we're on this topic. I am = thinking of=20 getting the m-Audio Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because = I don't=20 like my Echo Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of having = an=20 actual mic XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs.  However, my = notebook=20 doesn't have firewire, only USB 2.0.
     
    I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB = 2.0 converters=20 that will do the trick, like this one: http://ww= w.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm
     
    Can anyone else make any=20 recommendations?
     
    Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: htt= p://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html
     
    Kris
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 2:02=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound = clip from my=20 notebook computer system

    Ted, the trick is to build your = computer system=20 on the side so that you don't have to go without full functioning = system for=20 any period of time...then you can transition slowly into the = notebook=20 system.  Once you get your notebook computer and sound card, = then we=20 can help you build a basic system for very low cost. Get an = inexpensive VST=20 host like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), = and then=20 take advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there.  = You=20 will be amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware = system=20 with just free VSTs...astounding.
     
    ...then, once you get that basic = notebook=20 system up and running, you can start selling one hardware effect at = a time=20 to purchase more expensive and higher quality VST effects and = hosts. =20 You could buy sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 = and=20 PSP42, Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated=20 VST hosts, like MAX/MSP, if you choose.  Next = thing you=20 know, you have gradually replaced every cell in your guitar system = body with=20 a new cell...hope you like the analogy.
     
    So, there is a relatively easy way = to make the=20 transition without it being too painful, radical, or = costly.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, = 2006 1:51=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound = clip from=20 my notebook computer system

    Jeff,

    On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff = Kaiser=20 wrote:

    Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a = laptop.

    I might=20 just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off = bunches of=20
    perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford = getting the=20 "latest
    greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 = of the=20 time I wind up
    being so disappointed with the new stuff and = wishin' I=20 hadn't that it's sorta
    heartbreaking.

    After 43 years of = playing=20 I finally have a set of sounds I like, I finally sound
    like = myself (I=20 think). And I still have the depth in what gear I have to learn = new=20
    things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but = giving up=20 that other
    aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is = a=20 daunting proposition
    that will probably have to take some = significant=20 other motivating factor to get
    me to give in, turn loose, = whatever.=20 Pain is a good motivator . . . but so far
    it's only=20 pain.

    Peace,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always=20 better, but better is always=20 = different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

    http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview= _profile&id=3D121197000042

    Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
    BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
    AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, = yadda. Blah,=20 blah, blah. = So???
    ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C6ADEF.06986F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 01:06:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E1323BEDD; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gcOUs/+zzYjJEdM0JHv9E0ggkM+QBGARFnFoJb8UbbVqA7bu86F0cgRlJqXrWvUr; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006702311112830@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.15.0 (Windows) From: "mungenast@earthlink.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just (new tools) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:11:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408a3b281e0c46ac1bd8f2e78f3922fe65350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.153 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:06:45 +0000 (UTC) And then there's REALLY old digital like the RPS-10 that does rich-sounding reverse and nice, grungy echoes with its lo-res digital circuitry. Zoom 505 does great pitch shift with its measly 16-bit, and many sonic adventurers get GREAT sounds out of old Midiverbs, lo-rez converters and all. ~Tim M > [Original Message] > From: a k butler > To: > Date: 7/22/2006 3:58:27 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just (new tools) > > > > >He may be using a different device these days, but I've met a > >surprising number of musicians who prefer to stick with a particular > >set of tools, despite newer technologies becoming available. > > not really surprising, > It's easy to think that the latest stuff is going to be better, > but often the features that creative musicians use get dropped. > > Examples > Lexicon Vortex does stuff that the top of the range latest FX don't > touch. (and let's not have anyone say you can do it in MAX :-) > EDP, (that's old too) > > > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 01:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFDA33BEE4; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> <7e1442beccd9c27f5269b42e28c86063@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:42:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:42:43 +0000 (UTC) It's weird, all of my other PC notebooks has firewire, and then I buy this amazingly fast ThinkPad, designed for fortune 500 companies, and it doesn't have one. Very odd. Not big deal, though, as a firewire card for the cardbus will do the trick. The one I found seemed to be a bit more expensive than others (as low as $18), so I feel safe going with it. Plus, it will give me two more USB 2.0 slots as well. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo whoops! I am blind: "don't have firewire..." jeez, buy a mac already... :-) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Check out the Presonus Firebox > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-FIREBOX-24bit96kHz- > FireWire-Recording-System?sku=184133 > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/ga9xm > > for my money the pre-amps sound better > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio Firewire >> Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my Echo Indio IO >> card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual mic XLR and as >> well as 1/4 inch inputs. However, my notebook doesn't have firewire, >> only USB 2.0. >> >> I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the >> trick, like this one: >> http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm >> >> Can anyone else make any recommendations? >> >> Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: >> http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html >> >> Kris >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Krispen Hartung >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >>> >>> Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so that you >>> don't have to go without full functioning system for any period of >>> time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system. Once >>> you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you >>> build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host >>> like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and then >>> take advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there. You will >>> be amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware system >>> with just free VSTs...astounding. >>> >>> ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, you >>> can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more >>> expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts. You could buy >>> sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, >>> Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST hosts, like >>> MAX/MSP, if you choose. Next thing you know, you have gradually >>> replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope >>> you like the analogy. >>> >>> So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without it >>> being too painful, radical, or costly. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: tEd ® kiLLiAn >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system >>>> >>>> Jeff, >>>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. >>>> >>>> I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling off >>>> bunches of >>>> perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting the >>>> "latest >>>> greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the time I >>>> wind up >>>> being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't that >>>> it's sorta >>>> heartbreaking. >>>> >>>> After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, I >>>> finally sound >>>> like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I have >>>> to learn new >>>> things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving up >>>> that other >>>> aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting >>>> proposition >>>> that will probably have to take some significant other motivating >>>> factor to get >>>> me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . . . >>>> but so far >>>> it's only pain. >>>> >>>> Peace, >>>> >>>> tEd ® kiLLiAn >>>> >>>> "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >>>> >>>> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>>> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>>> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >>>> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >>>> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >>>> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >>>> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >>>> >>>> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? >>>> step=view_profile&id=121197000042 >>>> >>>> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, >>>> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, >>>> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, >>>> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, >>>> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 01:46:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0D23BEE7; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038c01c6adf9$c78e94f0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:46:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Done already....I can return my system to any prior state. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo > At 2:48 PM -0600 7/22/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>Can anyone else make any recommendations? > > Um, howzabout: before you start futzing with another soundcard, > backup your system...? > > <*duckflee!!!*> ;) > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Snakes on a Plane..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 01:48:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 873693BEFB; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <039401c6adfa$1465c140$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c6ade6$6f40d140$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:48:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:48:24 +0000 (UTC) I probably wasn't clear. I am looking for a firewire audio interface, not USB, and I'll buy either the ProSonus or M-Audio units...it's the cardbus firewire/USB 2.0 adaptor that I'm looking for...so that I can turn my cardbus slot into a firewire or USB 2.0 I/O. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo > There doesn't seem to be a big choice of USB2 pro audio interfaces. One I > think looks cool is the Marian Ucon: > > http://www.marian.de/en/products/ucon_cx > > Short abstract: > > 4 Mic/Instrument ins (XLR w/ PP), 4 line ins (1/4 bal.), 8 line outs (1/4 > bal), ADAT I/O (shares a connector with SPDIF I/O opt.), 1 MIDI In, 2 MIDI > Out, separate out for the internal mixer 2bus, phones. 9.5'' 1HU. > > The only downside I'm able to see: no coax S/PDIF. > > This might be more than what you aim for, but it's the only cool USB2 > interface (at least it was the last time I looked). Also consider this: > the > PC implementations of Firewire don't provide bus power - USB2 does. > > Rainer > ________________________________ > > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juli 2006 22:49 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo > > > While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio > Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my Echo > Indio > IO card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual mic XLR and > as > well as 1/4 inch inputs. However, my notebook doesn't have firewire, only > USB 2.0. > > I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the > trick, like this one: > http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm > > Can anyone else make any recommendations? > > Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 01:51:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5615A3BEFB; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a701c6adfa$79fab2e0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:51:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03A4_01C6ADC8.2E767F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <8IbDJD.A.YnF.SYtwEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:51:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03A4_01C6ADC8.2E767F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Except that it is USB, not firewire. Is anyone using a cardbus (PCMCIA) Firewire/USB adaptor? You plug it = into your PCMCIA slot and you get both USB 2.0 and firewire. It's not an = audio card, but a I/O converter or adaptor. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gareth whittock=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Hi Kris, I just acquired a Tascam us122. 2 in 2 out, XLR/line or hi impedance guitar, direct monitoring, = phantom power xlr, usb and - no power supply!! 24 bit - bloody marvelous - its my main card now Oh and MIDI too!!!!! G ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo While we're on this topic. I am thinking of getting the m-Audio = Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't like my Echo = Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of having an actual mic = XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs. However, my notebook doesn't have = firewire, only USB 2.0.=20 I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters that will do the = trick, like this one: = http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm Can anyone else make any recommendations? Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on the side so = that you don't have to go without full functioning system for any period = of time...then you can transition slowly into the notebook system. Once = you get your notebook computer and sound card, then we can help you = build a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive VST host like = Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less than $100), and then take = advantage of the thousands of free VST effects out there. You will be = amazed at how many effects you can replace in your hardware system with = just free VSTs...astounding.=20 ...then, once you get that basic notebook system up and running, = you can start selling one hardware effect at a time to purchase more = expensive and higher quality VST effects and hosts. You could buy = sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, = Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated VST hosts, like = MAX/MSP, if you choose. Next thing you know, you have gradually = replaced every cell in your guitar system body with a new cell...hope = you like the analogy. So, there is a relatively easy way to make the transition without = it being too painful, radical, or costly. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Jeff, On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. I might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling = off bunches of=20 perfectly good gear from time to time in order to afford getting = the "latest=20 greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then about 3/4 of the = time I wind up=20 being so disappointed with the new stuff and wishin' I hadn't = that it's sorta heartbreaking. After 43 years of playing I finally have a set of sounds I like, = I finally sound=20 like myself (I think). And I still have the depth in what gear I = have to learn new=20 things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but = giving up that other=20 aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a daunting = proposition=20 that will probably have to take some significant other = motivating factor to get=20 me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a good motivator . = . . but so far=20 it's only pain. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_03A4_01C6ADC8.2E767F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Except that it is USB, not = firewire.
     
    Is anyone using a=20 cardbus (PCMCIA) Firewire/USB adaptor? You plug it into your = PCMCIA=20 slot and you get both USB 2.0 and firewire. It's not an audio card, but = a I/O=20 converter or adaptor.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 gareth = whittock=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 5:29=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 = Adaptors=20 for M-Audio Firewire Solo

    Hi Kris,
    I just acquired a Tascam = us122.
    2 in 2 out, XLR/line or hi = impedance guitar,=20 direct monitoring, phantom power xlr, usb and - no power=20 supply!!
    24 bit - bloody marvelous - its my = main card=20 now
    Oh and
    MIDI too!!!!!
     
    G
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 = 9:48=20 PM
    Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 = Adaptors for=20 M-Audio Firewire Solo

    While we're on this topic. I am = thinking of=20 getting the m-Audio Firewire Solo as input for my guitar, not = because I=20 don't like my Echo Indio IO card, but because I'd like the option of = having=20 an actual mic XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs.  However, my = notebook=20 doesn't have firewire, only USB 2.0.
     
    I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB = 2.0=20 converters that will do the trick, like this one: http://ww= w.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm
     
    Can anyone else make any=20 recommendations?
     
    Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: = htt= p://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html
     
    Kris
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, = 2006 2:02=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound = clip from=20 my notebook computer system

    Ted, the trick is to build your = computer=20 system on the side so that you don't have to go without full = functioning=20 system for any period of time...then you can transition slowly = into the=20 notebook system.  Once you get your notebook computer and = sound card,=20 then we can help you build a basic system for very low cost. Get = an=20 inexpensive VST host like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all = less=20 than $100), and then take advantage of the thousands of free VST = effects=20 out there.  You will be amazed at how many effects you can = replace in=20 your hardware system with just free VSTs...astounding. =
     
    ...then, once you get that basic = notebook=20 system up and running, you can start selling one hardware effect = at a time=20 to purchase more expensive and higher quality VST effects and = hosts. =20 You could buy sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 = and=20 PSP42, Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated=20 VST hosts, like MAX/MSP, if you choose.  Next = thing=20 you know, you have gradually replaced every cell in your guitar = system=20 body with a new cell...hope you like the analogy.
     
    So, there is a relatively easy = way to make=20 the transition without it being too painful, radical, or=20 costly.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 tEd=20 =AE kiLLiAn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, July 22, = 2006 1:51=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Sample sound = clip from=20 my notebook computer system

    Jeff,

    On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff = Kaiser=20 wrote:

    Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a = laptop.

    I=20 might just yet . . . however, I have a track record of selling = off=20 bunches of
    perfectly good gear from time to time in order to = afford=20 getting the "latest
    greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and = then=20 about 3/4 of the time I wind up
    being so disappointed with = the new=20 stuff and wishin' I hadn't that it's=20 sorta
    heartbreaking.

    After 43 years of playing I = finally have=20 a set of sounds I like, I finally sound
    like myself (I = think). And I=20 still have the depth in what gear I have to learn new
    things = -- room=20 for growth. Yes, hauling gear is a pain, but giving up that = other=20
    aspect (my personal sound) for the total unknown is a = daunting=20 proposition
    that will probably have to take some significant = other=20 motivating factor to get
    me to give in, turn loose, = whatever. Pain=20 is a good motivator . . . but so far
    it's only=20 pain.

    Peace,

    tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always=20 better, but better is always=20 = different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

    http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview= _profile&id=3D121197000042

    Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple=20 iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic,=20 Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah. = So???
    = ------=_NextPart_000_03A4_01C6ADC8.2E767F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 04:39:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18343BEF3; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03e501c6ae12$04007120$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sample #1 of VST Program Presets (Lexicon PSP84) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:39:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03E2_01C6ADDF.B88257E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:39:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03E2_01C6ADDF.B88257E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the benefit of those who are interested in what you can get out of = some of the purchase-only VST effect programs out there, I am going to = start recording samples for you and posting them to the group. There is = no looping on these samples, just straight solo playing through some of = the more interesting presets. Here is the first...(next on the list is PSP42, Antares Filter, Antares = Kantos, Pluggo, Hipno, Morphing Delay, Space Effect, etc) VST Program: Lexicon PSP84 URL: http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp84.html Cost: $149 USD Brief Description PSP 84 is a high-quality processor, capable of producing a wide variety = of delay-based effects. Two independent delay lines operating with = variable sampling rate and precise tape saturation algorithm with = adjustable gain, allow for convincingly sounding simulation of tape = delay, including all the exciting effects resulting from tape speed = instability. A filtration section consisting of three 2nd order = switchable resonant filter types can be used to process input, feedback = or wet signal. The adjustable slope of the filter ranges from a gentle = curve, which is useful for simulating high frequency absorption typical = for tape delay and wet signal equalization to an extremely steep curve = with a high cutoff frequency peak, making all the wild wah-wah and = resonance effects easily available. Delay line sampling rate and filter = cutoff can be modulated by any of the 5 LFO waveforms that are = automatically synchronized to the sequencer tempo or envelope follower = with adjustable sensitivity and attack/release. Moreover, the PSP 84 = contains the fully functional reverb unit, with simplified settings = carefully tuned to exactly reproduce the sound of classic spring and = plate reverberators.=20 Sound clip of factory presets: http://www.box.net/public/d90p7zley2 Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_03E2_01C6ADDF.B88257E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    For the benefit of those who are = interested in what=20 you can get out of some of the purchase-only VST effect programs out = there, I am=20 going to start recording samples for you and posting them to the group. = There is=20 no looping on these samples, just straight solo playing through some of = the more=20 interesting presets.
     
    Here is the first...(next on the list = is PSP42,=20 Antares Filter, Antares Kantos, Pluggo, Hipno, Morphing Delay, Space = Effect,=20 etc)
     
    VST Program: Lexicon=20 PSP84
    URL: http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp84.html
    Cost: $149 = USD
     
    Brief = Description
     
    PSP 84 is a high-quality = processor, capable of=20 producing a wide variety of delay-based effects. Two independent delay = lines=20 operating with variable sampling rate and precise tape saturation = algorithm with=20 adjustable gain, allow for convincingly sounding simulation of tape = delay,=20 including all the exciting effects resulting from tape speed = instability. A=20 filtration section consisting of three 2nd order switchable resonant = filter=20 types can be used to process input, feedback or wet signal. The = adjustable slope=20 of the filter ranges from a gentle curve, which is useful for simulating = high=20 frequency absorption typical for tape delay and wet signal equalization = to an=20 extremely steep curve with a high cutoff frequency peak, making all the = wild=20 wah-wah and resonance effects easily available. Delay line sampling rate = and=20 filter cutoff can be modulated by any of the 5 LFO waveforms that are=20 automatically synchronized to the sequencer tempo or envelope follower = with=20 adjustable sensitivity and attack/release. Moreover, the PSP 84 contains = the=20 fully functional reverb unit, with simplified settings carefully tuned = to=20 exactly reproduce the sound of classic spring and plate reverberators.=20
     
    Sound clip of factory = presets:=20 http://www.box.net/public/d90p7zley2
     
    Cheers,
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Looping Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_03E2_01C6ADDF.B88257E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 04:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C583BEC2; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C301A2.4080909@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 23:57:06 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> <7e1442beccd9c27f5269b42e28c86063@pfmentum.com> <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I've got a T60 dual core also, and it was disappointing not to have firewire, or Bluetooth, or a card reader, OR a separate sound card. In truth, I don't really use any of that stuff currently (except the sound card I suppose), but I wanted to have the options in the future (damn thing better last me a long time). Otherwise, it's terrific. I think someone posted a while ago about Thinkpads and their thumbstick, but the new ones have a touchpad as well. If you're looking, keep your eye open for sales, especially on the Lenovo site, I bought one during a two-week period when they offered a $250 rebate. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > It's weird, all of my other PC notebooks has firewire, and then I buy > this amazingly fast ThinkPad, designed for fortune 500 companies, and > it doesn't have one. Very odd. Not big deal, though, as a firewire > card for the cardbus will do the trick. The one I found seemed to be a > bit more expensive than others (as low as $18), so I feel safe going > with it. Plus, it will give me two more USB 2.0 slots as well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 09:25:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D603BED5; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:24:54 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c6ae39$dc388ba0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <03a701c6adfa$79fab2e0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: Acat+ntgdDLz0vhfS6WuSiYJ07QMjgAPyRmg Resent-Message-ID: <_binUC.A.jnB.wB0wEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:25:04 +0000 (UTC) I was told that with these, the USB2 and the Firewire part tend to get in each other's way. No system crashes or anything, but the performance of both interfaces degrades. Workaround: only use either Firewire or USB2. Rainer ________________________________ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Juli 2006 03:51 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Except that it is USB, not firewire. Is anyone using a cardbus (PCMCIA) Firewire/USB adaptor? You plug it into your PCMCIA slot and you get both USB 2.0 and firewire. It's not an audio card, but a I/O converter or adaptor. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 13:17:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29903BED6; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <045601c6ae5a$5ba2e690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> <7e1442beccd9c27f5269b42e28c86063@pfmentum.com> <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C301A2.4080909@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:17:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, did you call Lenovo to order your T60? That is what I did with my T60p. I basically custom ordered it and ended up with a custom SKU (configuration), with bluetooth, cardbus reader, wireless, USB, bigger/faster hard-drive, fingerprint reader for security, etc. I recieved no rebate on this sucker...I bought it right after it was released. Also, the T series does not have a sound card, but embedded high definition audio from Intel...so that wouldn't have been an option for you anyway. If you want better sound on the unit, you just get a cardbus soundcard, like the Echo Indigo IO, an audio interface that plugs into the USB, or what I am going to do, namely, get a firewire cardbus adaptor so that I can plug in a firewire interface. Rainer, yes, I'll take your advice here and get just the firewire option, not combo. Your comment is enough to make me suspicious, plus I already have three USB connections and don't really need any more. It still seems odd about the firewire...I hope I did't miss it when I was configuring it with Lenovo. Oh well, there is nothing wrong with the cardbud option, and I have the slot available. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo > Yeah, I've got a T60 dual core also, and it was disappointing not to have > firewire, or Bluetooth, or a card reader, OR a separate sound card. In > truth, I don't really use any of that stuff currently (except the sound > card I suppose), but I wanted to have the options in the future (damn > thing better last me a long time). Otherwise, it's terrific. > > I think someone posted a while ago about Thinkpads and their thumbstick, > but the new ones have a touchpad as well. If you're looking, keep your eye > open for sales, especially on the Lenovo site, I bought one during a > two-week period when they offered a $250 rebate. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > >> It's weird, all of my other PC notebooks has firewire, and then I buy >> this amazingly fast ThinkPad, designed for fortune 500 companies, and it >> doesn't have one. Very odd. Not big deal, though, as a firewire card for >> the cardbus will do the trick. The one I found seemed to be a bit more >> expensive than others (as low as $18), so I feel safe going with it. >> Plus, it will give me two more USB 2.0 slots as well. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 15:04:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 206683BEDA; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C3900E.90307@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:04:46 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> <7e1442beccd9c27f5269b42e28c86063@pfmentum.com> <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C301A2.4080909@mhorse.com> <045601c6ae5a$5ba2e690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <045601c6ae5a$5ba2e690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I called them and did whatever I could for options. Mine's a few rungs down from yours, I believe, it has the 1.66 mhz processors and 14.1" screen, and I think it's pretty set in its possibilities...I'd wanted a 7200 rpm drive but couldn't get that either. But it's got wireless and three USB's and the fingerprint reader. Thanks for the info on the sound card, that explains things better. I use a (very) cheap Edirol UA-1A for moving stuff to the laptop, and I imagine getting something like the Echo or an m-Audio (maybe?) would improve fidelity. I may just do that someday though I want to improve the analog side first (mics, pres...). I'm pretty much positive there's no way you can get firewire on these laptops, I don't think you missed out...I remember that being THE common complaint in review, of all models. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Daryl, did you call Lenovo to order your T60? That is what I did with > my T60p. I basically custom ordered it and ended up with a custom SKU > (configuration), with bluetooth, cardbus reader, wireless, USB, > bigger/faster hard-drive, fingerprint reader for security, etc. I > recieved no rebate on this sucker...I bought it right after it was > released. > > Also, the T series does not have a sound card, but embedded high > definition audio from Intel...so that wouldn't have been an option for > you anyway. If you want better sound on the unit, you just get a > cardbus soundcard, like the Echo Indigo IO, an audio interface that > plugs into the USB, or what I am going to do, namely, get a firewire > cardbus adaptor so that I can plug in a firewire interface. Rainer, > yes, I'll take your advice here and get just the firewire option, not > combo. Your comment is enough to make me suspicious, plus I already > have three USB connections and don't really need any more. > > It still seems odd about the firewire...I hope I did't miss it when I > was configuring it with Lenovo. Oh well, there is nothing wrong with > the cardbud option, and I have the slot available. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 15:05:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F8483BEF6; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C39018.6030902@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:04:56 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> <7e1442beccd9c27f5269b42e28c86063@pfmentum.com> <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C301A2.4080909@mhorse.com> <045601c6ae5a$5ba2e690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <045601c6ae5a$5ba2e690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I called them and did whatever I could for options. Mine's a few rungs down from yours, I believe, it has the 1.66 mhz processors and 14.1" screen, and I think it's pretty set in its possibilities...I'd wanted a 7200 rpm drive but couldn't get that either. But it's got wireless and three USB's and the fingerprint reader. Thanks for the info on the sound card, that explains things better. I use a (very) cheap Edirol UA-1A for moving stuff to the laptop, and I imagine getting something like the Echo or an m-Audio (maybe?) would improve fidelity. I may just do that someday though I want to improve the analog side first (mics, pres...). I'm pretty much positive there's no way you can get firewire on these laptops, I don't think you missed out...I remember that being THE common complaint in reviews, of all models. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Daryl, did you call Lenovo to order your T60? That is what I did with > my T60p. I basically custom ordered it and ended up with a custom SKU > (configuration), with bluetooth, cardbus reader, wireless, USB, > bigger/faster hard-drive, fingerprint reader for security, etc. I > recieved no rebate on this sucker...I bought it right after it was > released. > > Also, the T series does not have a sound card, but embedded high > definition audio from Intel...so that wouldn't have been an option for > you anyway. If you want better sound on the unit, you just get a > cardbus soundcard, like the Echo Indigo IO, an audio interface that > plugs into the USB, or what I am going to do, namely, get a firewire > cardbus adaptor so that I can plug in a firewire interface. Rainer, > yes, I'll take your advice here and get just the firewire option, not > combo. Your comment is enough to make me suspicious, plus I already > have three USB connections and don't really need any more. > > It still seems odd about the firewire...I hope I did't miss it when I > was configuring it with Lenovo. Oh well, there is nothing wrong with > the cardbud option, and I have the slot available. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 15:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF7B33BEF9; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <046f01c6ae6e$b82313e0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43a02e5da99c2102117899981dad166f@charter.net> <033f01c6adc9$cf4a69b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <035501c6add0$37bd1820$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <10537d75468fa05a3606997a71aeba5f@pfmentum.com> <7e1442beccd9c27f5269b42e28c86063@pfmentum.com> <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C301A2.4080909@mhorse.com> <045601c6ae5a$5ba2e690$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C3900E.90307@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:43:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:43:21 +0000 (UTC) The Echo IO is definitely a good choice for the T60 in terms of cardbus options, and financially reasonable too. I'd keep using mine, but I'm just experiencing the urge to be able to plug a mic into my notebook, scat with my guitar once in a while, and do so with better inserts than a 1/8" jack. Plus, what I like about the external firewire unit I am buying is that it has more than one stereo output so that I can run one set to the main mixer board, and another to my recorder, and still have a separate headphone output. It's nice to have those options. You might give it some thought, as even the external USB units for getting audio to your notebook (like the m-Audio) are financially reasonable. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo > Yes, I called them and did whatever I could for options. Mine's a few > rungs down from yours, I believe, it has the 1.66 mhz processors and 14.1" > screen, and I think it's pretty set in its possibilities...I'd wanted a > 7200 rpm drive but couldn't get that either. But it's got wireless and > three USB's and the fingerprint reader. > > Thanks for the info on the sound card, that explains things better. I use > a (very) cheap Edirol UA-1A for moving stuff to the laptop, and I imagine > getting something like the Echo or an m-Audio (maybe?) would improve > fidelity. I may just do that someday though I want to improve the analog > side first (mics, pres...). > > I'm pretty much positive there's no way you can get firewire on these > laptops, I don't think you missed out...I remember that being THE common > complaint in review, of all models. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > >> Daryl, did you call Lenovo to order your T60? That is what I did with my >> T60p. I basically custom ordered it and ended up with a custom SKU >> (configuration), with bluetooth, cardbus reader, wireless, USB, >> bigger/faster hard-drive, fingerprint reader for security, etc. I >> recieved no rebate on this sucker...I bought it right after it was >> released. >> >> Also, the T series does not have a sound card, but embedded high >> definition audio from Intel...so that wouldn't have been an option for >> you anyway. If you want better sound on the unit, you just get a cardbus >> soundcard, like the Echo Indigo IO, an audio interface that plugs into >> the USB, or what I am going to do, namely, get a firewire cardbus adaptor >> so that I can plug in a firewire interface. Rainer, yes, I'll take your >> advice here and get just the firewire option, not combo. Your comment is >> enough to make me suspicious, plus I already have three USB connections >> and don't really need any more. >> >> It still seems odd about the firewire...I hope I did't miss it when I was >> configuring it with Lenovo. Oh well, there is nothing wrong with the >> cardbud option, and I have the slot available. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 15:53:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2E6A3BF00; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=dcp5+SvoabFmSYBOOVM0Dm4qVg/g7YRuWeJTFs7arcf0akkeqf1Ar71FW3Pq79+uj5tbkYxnjju02SOkMYO2gOBUi3u26WFLfHKJ2KmF5dkykTGb2Crm8Eo1EJ1F2yCLuOZAMvc1qaG7HbmMtwNoQwUsYrlkODJuFm+bfSw03Ac= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <064E5E12-0717-4B61-A588-46F82237CF39@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: airtap Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:53:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Different sort of guitar styling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbndgwfG22k&search=airtap Nice flick of the wrist gesture. Can't remember where I came across it, sorry if it was previously posted. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 16:03:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222D73BF05; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049401c6ae71$9019b860$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <064E5E12-0717-4B61-A588-46F82237CF39@gmail.com> Subject: Re: airtap Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:03:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:03:43 +0000 (UTC) sort of like turing the guitar into a piano, based on open tuning, but with a lot more percussive options. cool video. I'm guessing if you want to play in a lot of different keys, you have to retune the guitar or have multiple guitars on standbye. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RP Collier" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: airtap > Different sort of guitar styling: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbndgwfG22k&search=airtap > > Nice flick of the wrist gesture. > > Can't remember where I came across it, sorry if it was previously posted. > > regards > > > BobC > > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 16:09:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95073BF02; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C39F0B.50204@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:08:43 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airtap References: <064E5E12-0717-4B61-A588-46F82237CF39@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <064E5E12-0717-4B61-A588-46F82237CF39@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030000000607010303080106" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:09:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030000000607010303080106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That there's a flamenco /rasgueado./ Well done tapped harmonics, very nice and clear. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Different sort of guitar styling: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbndgwfG22k&search=airtap > > Nice flick of the wrist gesture. > > Can't remember where I came across it, sorry if it was previously posted. --------------030000000607010303080106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That there's a flamenco rasgueado. Well done tapped harmonics, very nice and clear.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    Different sort of guitar styling:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbndgwfG22k&search=airtap

    Nice flick of the wrist gesture.

    Can't remember where I came across it, sorry if it was previously posted.

    --------------030000000607010303080106-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 16:37:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D533BEE7; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C3A5D5.2020001@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:37:41 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airtap References: <064E5E12-0717-4B61-A588-46F82237CF39@gmail.com> <049401c6ae71$9019b860$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <049401c6ae71$9019b860$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1xW9eC.A.2dD.cX6wEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:37:49 +0000 (UTC) or some would say, an autoharp... :-D Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > sort of like turing the guitar into a piano, based on open tuning, but > with a lot more percussive options. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 16:50:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBD553BEE7; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: airtap Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:50:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44C3A5D5.2020001@mhorse.com> Thread-Index: Acaudlo9UAlaGNSHQxKXuQrzLoWaXwAAaXRw Message-Id: <20060723165031.JJJV12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Try fretting an autoharp 8< ) Gary -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airtap or some would say, an autoharp... :-D Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > sort of like turing the guitar into a piano, based on open tuning, but > with a lot more percussive options. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 16:55:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A1183BF0E; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:55:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c6ae78$cfaedd50$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <046f01c6ae6e$b82313e0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcaubrowysKtsBrqQ3um+s8Ldg/UvwACZ+eA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:55:40 +0000 (UTC) On some devices, you even got a stand-alone mixer function (controllable via MIDI) in the interface (Fireface400 comes to mind) - or even the option to at least retain the last-used settings for the internal mixer. This might come in handy for those among us who do not really trust in laptop's reliability and thus want to keep a DL4 or DD20 hooked to an in/out pair "just in case". Unfortunately, my Firebox does not do this (the set of routing options of the internal mixer is rather limited), but I'd sure like to have this option...so if you're shopping for something new and a little more powerful, you might consider whether this use case applies to you. Rainer > Plus, what I like about the external firewire unit I am > buying is that it has more than one stereo output so that I > can run one set to the main mixer board, and another to my > recorder, and still have a separate headphone output. It's > nice to have those options. You might give it some thought, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 17:01:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B1E93BF12; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C3AB68.80302@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:01:28 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: airtap References: <20060723165031.JJJV12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20060723165031.JJJV12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030002000008020606000401" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:01:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030002000008020606000401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Keith Richards figured it out...! Hope you didn't take my snark as wholesale ragging on open tunings, BTW...they have their purpose. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Try fretting an autoharp 8< ) > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:38 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: airtap > > or some would say, an autoharp... :-D > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> sort of like turing the guitar into a piano, based on open tuning, but >> with a lot more percussive options. >> > > > > > > > > --------------030002000008020606000401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Keith Richards figured it out...!

    Hope you didn't take my snark as wholesale ragging on open tunings, BTW...they have their purpose.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    Try fretting an autoharp 8< )
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 9:38 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: airtap

or some would say, an autoharp...  :-D

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

  
    sort of like turing the guitar into a piano, based on open tuning, but 
with a lot more percussive options.

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 20:21:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB8303BEDD; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BmFsDFSXhlJFYkV1vG5Ag2ky07EqdmVU1b7Zr+hitJTxEAjpA/61QHljCdGIvbZa6M9XRTkhb0ByJ9tEjFqpDDd5jVF9u/r8rdaZz4zhkHqz9kGLEmDDymgAz75HNr0/0wXculCs0ymdWOBD3FSXMWl9wt3RxRzMIyFkZIzxMeI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060721180054.39428.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060721180054.39428.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: reverb just on the delays Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:21:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:21:43 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jul 2006, at 20.00, rune fagereng wrote: > On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and > close direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say > 20%) has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has > some delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I > think.... > > I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for > reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. > > Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the > manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so > ever ? Hi Rune, This post may not be relevant for your recent setup but I think it's a good tip, so I'm posting it anyway. I found out about it when using Ableton Live as the mixer for my EDP, other hardware machines and some software looping plug-ins. The point is that if you simply send part of your signal to a huge reverb (or delay, or both) it may quickly smear out the music so it becomes lame. The trick is to punctuate the reverb (in the effect loop) with short time segments of the audio that is going constantly. Then the listener can follow that note flying away towards the horizon on those beautiful clouds of reverb. Hassel often uses a freeze reverb for that; i.e. a reverb that keeps the last input audio frozen until new audio is coming (pretty clear you can't feed such a reverb with a constant guitar mangling? ;-) So, one of the important steps here is to find a way to open up the effect send for just a short time. On a physical mixer you can do that with mute buttons on the busses. You may also set up foot pedals to open and close. But the method I like to use with Live is to create an empty "dummy" clip (audio or midi loop with no content) and then draw some suitable "Clip Envelopes" for the Effect Send Knog on that loop. This way you can many (alternative) loops of different lengths that only spin for the purpose of opening up the Effect Send on short 16th note (or whatever) durations every now and then. When working with Live there is a very good Freeze Verb preset coming with the built-in reverb (my overall fav verb. IMHO much cooler than any impulse response reverb). First I thought this tip was too off topic, because you do not use Live, but then I ran into an interview with Jeff Rona where he speaks about this same technique with Live. And Rona has been working with Hassel so he's definitely into that vibe. Here's the article: http://www.ableton.com/pages/artists/jeff_rona Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 23 21:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95733BEE2; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EZrCy7QKgzcOQrxCA7Tlrfap4jnxCaQIl0/koQVu4xBvYXsV3Mm8zsLoXyW1zfeZIpPfOYTFejfcQLpaxQyOIUU2Jjbj9CnCA11BZEYPMUM25kuiGYxTCeMlRKl9Mp2pN23lWR5RAz45r4eQufVOnzX2f8wng2k6Y1FjZ/+FQ0E= ; Message-ID: <20060723213834.43068.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:38:36 +0000 (UTC) http://www.buyextras.com/2fiie13pcca.html I'd try something like this before you muck about with converting firewire to USB2 as I've heard USB2 isn't all that for large streaming data applications like audio or video. I don't know if that's the best one or best place to buy it from but I'm told they're fairly common. --- gareth whittock wrote: > Hi Kris, > I just acquired a Tascam us122. > 2 in 2 out, XLR/line or hi impedance guitar, direct > monitoring, phantom power xlr, usb and - no power > supply!! > 24 bit - bloody marvelous - its my main card now > Oh and > MIDI too!!!!! > > G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Krispen Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:48 PM > Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio > Firewire Solo > > > While we're on this topic. I am thinking of > getting the m-Audio Firewire Solo as input for my > guitar, not because I don't like my Echo Indio IO > card, but because I'd like the option of having an > actual mic XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs. > However, my notebook doesn't have firewire, only USB > 2.0. > > I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters > that will do the trick, like this one: > http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm > > Can anyone else make any recommendations? > > Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Krispen Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM > Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook > computer system > > > Ted, the trick is to build your computer system > on the side so that you don't have to go without > full functioning system for any period of > time...then you can transition slowly into the > notebook system. Once you get your notebook > computer and sound card, then we can help you build > a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive > VST host like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule > (all less than $100), and then take advantage of the > thousands of free VST effects out there. You will > be amazed at how many effects you can replace in > your hardware system with just free > VSTs...astounding. > > ...then, once you get that basic notebook system > up and running, you can start selling one hardware > effect at a time to purchase more expensive and > higher quality VST effects and hosts. You could buy > sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 > and PSP42, Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get > more sophisticated VST hosts, like MAX/MSP, if you > choose. Next thing you know, you have gradually > replaced every cell in your guitar system body with > a new cell...hope you like the analogy. > > So, there is a relatively easy way to make the > transition without it being too painful, radical, or > costly. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tEd ® kiLLiAn > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my > notebook computer system > > > Jeff, > > On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser > wrote: > > > Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. > > > I might just yet . . . however, I have a track > record of selling off bunches of > perfectly good gear from time to time in order > to afford getting the "latest > greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then > about 3/4 of the time I wind up > being so disappointed with the new stuff and > wishin' I hadn't that it's sorta > heartbreaking. > > After 43 years of playing I finally have a set > of sounds I like, I finally sound > like myself (I think). And I still have the > depth in what gear I have to learn new > things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear > is a pain, but giving up that other > aspect (my personal sound) for the total > unknown is a daunting proposition > that will probably have to take some > significant other motivating factor to get > me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a > good motivator . . . but so far > it's only pain. > > Peace, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available > at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, > DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, > blah. So??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 00:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA6FA3BEEA; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Azs8GfBxht9xU9H3n+0UCwyO/AtK5v79y1Xnpv85v1Cf1xq4yRIdHgVN5iAbSDSDPldEf4pVF/lweBANtnrVD7Sksd9zvZWtIoT9eD5LqPodjS/na/7CwVBc/BWwHpk5Hy5yS9NqrBDZOEKPpXxfYBEa43VTPqbScRYeU286xNY= ; Message-ID: <20060724002635.96743.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: airtap To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <064E5E12-0717-4B61-A588-46F82237CF39@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <09zxb.A.D7D.-OBxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:26:38 +0000 (UTC) how many of us will be incorporating some of this into our own styles?...thanks for posting that. dSv --- RP Collier wrote: > Different sort of guitar styling: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbndgwfG22k&search=airtap > > Nice flick of the wrist gesture. > > Can't remember where I came across it, sorry if it > was previously > posted. > > regards > > > BobC > > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 01:26:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 518B43BEF6; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <052b01c6aec0$1e19a9b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060723213834.43068.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:25:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:26:02 +0000 (UTC) this is exactly what I have picked out, except a different brand that has been tested with ThinkPads. I don't like the idea of converting firewire to USB either. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo > http://www.buyextras.com/2fiie13pcca.html > > I'd try something like this before you muck about with > converting firewire to USB2 as I've heard USB2 isn't > all that for large streaming data applications like > audio or video. I don't know if that's the best one > or best place to buy it from but I'm told they're > fairly common. > > --- gareth whittock > wrote: > >> Hi Kris, >> I just acquired a Tascam us122. >> 2 in 2 out, XLR/line or hi impedance guitar, direct >> monitoring, phantom power xlr, usb and - no power >> supply!! >> 24 bit - bloody marvelous - its my main card now >> Oh and >> MIDI too!!!!! >> >> G >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Krispen Hartung >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:48 PM >> Subject: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio >> Firewire Solo >> >> >> While we're on this topic. I am thinking of >> getting the m-Audio Firewire Solo as input for my >> guitar, not because I don't like my Echo Indio IO >> card, but because I'd like the option of having an >> actual mic XLR and as well as 1/4 inch inputs. >> However, my notebook doesn't have firewire, only USB >> 2.0. >> >> I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters >> that will do the trick, like this one: >> > http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm >> >> Can anyone else make any recommendations? >> >> Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: >> > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Krispen Hartung >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM >> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook >> computer system >> >> >> Ted, the trick is to build your computer system >> on the side so that you don't have to go without >> full functioning system for any period of >> time...then you can transition slowly into the >> notebook system. Once you get your notebook >> computer and sound card, then we can help you build >> a basic system for very low cost. Get an inexpensive >> VST host like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule >> (all less than $100), and then take advantage of the >> thousands of free VST effects out there. You will >> be amazed at how many effects you can replace in >> your hardware system with just free >> VSTs...astounding. >> >> ...then, once you get that basic notebook system >> up and running, you can start selling one hardware >> effect at a time to purchase more expensive and >> higher quality VST effects and hosts. You could buy >> sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, PSP84 >> and PSP42, Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get >> more sophisticated VST hosts, like MAX/MSP, if you >> choose. Next thing you know, you have gradually >> replaced every cell in your guitar system body with >> a new cell...hope you like the analogy. >> >> So, there is a relatively easy way to make the >> transition without it being too painful, radical, or >> costly. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: tEd ® kiLLiAn >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM >> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my >> notebook computer system >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser >> wrote: >> >> >> Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. >> >> >> I might just yet . . . however, I have a track >> record of selling off bunches of >> perfectly good gear from time to time in order >> to afford getting the "latest >> greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then >> about 3/4 of the time I wind up >> being so disappointed with the new stuff and >> wishin' I hadn't that it's sorta >> heartbreaking. >> >> After 43 years of playing I finally have a set >> of sounds I like, I finally sound >> like myself (I think). And I still have the >> depth in what gear I have to learn new >> things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear >> is a pain, but giving up that other >> aspect (my personal sound) for the total >> unknown is a daunting proposition >> that will probably have to take some >> significant other motivating factor to get >> me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a >> good motivator . . . but so far >> it's only pain. >> >> Peace, >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is >> always different" >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> >> > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >> >> > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >> >> > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >> >> >> > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 >> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available >> at: Apple iTunes, >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, >> DiscLogic, Napster, >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >> Etherstream, >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >> Puretracks, >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, >> blah. So??? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 01:43:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D7833BEFC; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BD4Di8h0jurBry4NU3nW8d4C9zNA5iNQmQDxqVJ8zf0p+6eN2cn7YySn9oZ+TZTV; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200671241482880@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.15.0 (Windows) From: "mungenast@earthlink.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:48:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9409c5e61ccccccba55f42127bdefd8d85f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.185 Resent-Message-ID: <2qgY7C.A.jmC.eXCxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Dreamchild's music is a great example of what can be done with a VG8...www.myspace.com/dreamchild As for the VG88, I am told that it's basically a VG8 MINUS all the fun space-noise bells and whistles. ~TimM > [Original Message] > From: Mark Smart > To: > Date: 7/21/2006 9:30:30 PM > Subject: Re: Hexaphonic guitar (was: single coil & hum (was EH2880 on video) > > Hi all. > I can contribute a few ideas. > > > > ROLAND VG-8 > > I have a Roland VG-8, which is driven by a Roland GK-2 style pickup. If you just > want to do polyphonic distortion, this is a really good unit for that. You can > choose what type of guitar pickup you want to sound like, pan the individual > strings in stereo, add effects, all kindsa cool stuff. > > A while back in the jazz guitar newsgroup we were having an argument/discussion > about whether hexaphonic distortion sounds different than regular > distortion...yes, some people were actually arguing that they sound the same! > Anyway, I put up some mp3s to demonstrate the difference using the VG-8. So if > you want to know what the VG-8's hex distortion sounds like, here it is: > > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/guitarsounds/VG8/HexFuzz.html > > You can get 'em on Ebay. I'm sure the VG-88 can do all the same stuff. > > > > > RMC FANOUT BOX > > This is a splitter box that can be used to tap off the individual analog string > signals from a Roland GK-2 type pickup: > > http://www.rmcpickup.com/fanoutbox.html > > > > > HEX PICKUPS IN REGULAR BODY > > For a while, I have been investigating regular humbucker-sized hex pickups for > use with my looping setup: > > http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html#V2 > > The reason is that I like to use an octave divider for bass rather than a synth > or the VG-8 (which also has a tracking delay when the pitch shifter is > activated). Octave dividers like the Chili Dog I use have real problems trying > to track a signal from a pickup at the bridge. So a hex piclup in a humbucker > body is desirable. > > Apparently Bartolini made these a long time ago, and that is what got used in > the stereo Eddie Van Halen guitar mentioned eralier. > > I have been using this very cool pickup by Rick Copeland: > > http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/copeland.html > > This thing is great, but seems to be unavailable now. > > There is a guy in Sweden named Olle Svensson who makes similar hex pickups. I > had him make me one. It was very reasonably priced and looks great, but I > haven't had a chance to really try it out yet because I keep getting distracted > with lots of other stuff. If anyone is interested in asking him about a custom > pickup, I can give you his email. He also makes them with hex distortion built > in. > > There is a place called Sound Garage that makes a unit with a regular humbucker > and a hex humbuckler built into the same humbucker body. This is intended to be > used for GK-style synth output in the bridge position, but it looks like it > could be adapted for use in the neck position. > > http://www.quest-md.com/soundgarage/index_e.html > > Hope this info helps. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 02:25:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DCA23BF01; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060723191925.01dc2138@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:24:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: MadPlayer, BhajisLoops (Was: VST Host & Effects on PDA) In-Reply-To: References: <1dcd01c69ebe$6180e590$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060704120644.307170@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:25:03 +0000 (UTC) At 12:08 PM 7/4/2006, mech wrote: >The software is Bhajis Loops ( http://www.chocopoolp.com ). >Unfortunately, it's not as cool as I remember it (but then again, >what ever is?). It does seem to be an homage to Ableton Live, but >on Palm OS. There are two serious shortcomings, however. First and >foremost, it does not seem to accept live input. You have to either >record or input .WAV's separately before working with them. Second, >and contrary to my first impression, it will *not* act as a VST >host. However, it includes almost 20 native effects on its own, so >you can already do a lot with what's there. And of course it's >pretty fully functional otherwise, especially with the pattern and >wave editors. BhajisLoops is for composing loop-based tunes. What it's really good for is long airplane flights. Much better than MadPlayer (www.MadPlayer.com) although MadPlayer works if you do hiphop or if you view it as a fun game. MadPlayers are cheap, too. I got mine for fifty bucks on eBay and downloaded the latest firmware for free. MadPlayer has serious limitations as a compositional tool but is a lot of fun to play with. (Are you listening loop.pool?) ;-) Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 05:10:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E79343BEDD; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u7EDS4X3KitkFCCteFFQmdTCA6FOk7AJMIQrItLj2zcC5DGJISyHa2W0ixy2B2VUC3zbFUb7p6nUUrPqcXIAVJH8V5D7oldPfqWr7V8R9/LJiTIscLNG6RL27tO2Qqr5ZtubdMPRMcyTz59H6qHrpDSLMheYNah67i6tMZpjinw= ; Message-ID: <20060724051028.69516.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:10:28 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1661926527-1153717828=:68313" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7y4wrC.A.nBC.GZFxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:10:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1661926527-1153717828=:68313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Thanks. Regarding using Ableton as a mixer for your EDP. Can you tell more about your gear and how you do this and maybe also the strong and weak sides of doing it like this? RF Per Boysen skrev: On 21 jul 2006, at 20.00, rune fagereng wrote: > On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and > close direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say > 20%) has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has > some delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I > think.... > > I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for > reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc. > > Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the > manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so > ever ? Hi Rune, This post may not be relevant for your recent setup but I think it's a good tip, so I'm posting it anyway. I found out about it when using Ableton Live as the mixer for my EDP, other hardware machines and some software looping plug-ins. The point is that if you simply send part of your signal to a huge reverb (or delay, or both) it may quickly smear out the music so it becomes lame. The trick is to punctuate the reverb (in the effect loop) with short time segments of the audio that is going constantly. Then the listener can follow that note flying away towards the horizon on those beautiful clouds of reverb. Hassel often uses a freeze reverb for that; i.e. a reverb that keeps the last input audio frozen until new audio is coming (pretty clear you can't feed such a reverb with a constant guitar mangling? ;-) So, one of the important steps here is to find a way to open up the effect send for just a short time. On a physical mixer you can do that with mute buttons on the busses. You may also set up foot pedals to open and close. But the method I like to use with Live is to create an empty "dummy" clip (audio or midi loop with no content) and then draw some suitable "Clip Envelopes" for the Effect Send Knog on that loop. This way you can many (alternative) loops of different lengths that only spin for the purpose of opening up the Effect Send on short 16th note (or whatever) durations every now and then. When working with Live there is a very good Freeze Verb preset coming with the built-in reverb (my overall fav verb. IMHO much cooler than any impulse response reverb). First I thought this tip was too off topic, because you do not use Live, but then I ran into an interview with Jeff Rona where he speaks about this same technique with Live. And Rona has been working with Hassel so he's definitely into that vibe. Here's the article: http://www.ableton.com/pages/artists/jeff_rona Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1661926527-1153717828=:68313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Hi !
     
    Thanks.
     
    Regarding using Ableton as a mixer for your EDP.
    Can you tell more about your gear and how you do this and maybe also the strong and weak sides of doing it like this?
     
    RF
     
     

    Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
    On 21 jul 2006, at 20.00, rune fagereng wrote:

    > On some of Jon Hassells tunes, his trompetsound has a near and
    > close direct sound, and just a small amout of his sound (lets say
    > 20%) has a big reverb, I think. The part that has reverb, also has
    > some delay, I think. But there are no delay on the direct sound, I
    > think....
    >
    > I play guitar, with the use of TC 2290 for delay, and a Alesis for
    > reverb. The Alesis is in the fx-chain of the Tc.
    >
    > Any Thoughts of how to get "closer" to the Hassells sound, in the
    > manner of getting reverb just on the delays ? Or any tips what so
    > ever ?


    Hi Rune,

    This post may not be relevant for your recent setup but I think it's
    a good tip, so I'm posting it anyway. I found out about it when using
    Ableton Live as the mixer for my EDP, other hardware machines and
    some software looping plug-ins. The point is that if you simply send
    part of your signal to a huge reverb (or delay, or both) it may
    quickly smear out the music so it becomes lame. The trick is to
    punctuate the reverb (in the effect loop) with short time segments of
    the audio that is going constantly. Then the listener can follow that
    note flying away towards the horizon on those beautiful clouds of
    reverb. Hassel often uses a freeze reverb for that; i.e. a reverb
    that keeps the last input audio frozen until new audio is coming
    (pretty clear you can't feed such a reverb with a constant guitar
    mangling? ;-)

    So, one of the important steps here is to find a way to open up the
    effect send for just a short time. On a physical mixer you can do
    that with mute buttons on the busses. You may also set up foot pedals
    to open and close. But the method I like to use with Live is to
    create an empty "dummy" clip (audio or midi loop with no content) and
    then draw some suitable "Clip Envelopes" for the Effect Send Knog on
    that loop. This way you can many (alternative) loops of different
    lengths that only spin for the purpose of opening up the Effect Send
    on short 16th note (or whatever) durations every now and then. When
    working with Live there is a very good Freeze Verb preset coming with
    the built-in reverb (my overall fav verb. IMHO much cooler than any
    impulse response reverb).

    First I thought this tip was too off topic, because you do not use
    Live, but then I ran into an interview with Jeff Rona where he speaks
    about this same technique with Live. And Rona has been working with
    Hassel so he's definitely into that vibe. Here's the article:
    http://www.ableton.com/pages/artists/jeff_rona

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)
    http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
    http://www.myspace.com/looproom






    www.runefagereng.com
    Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
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Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 09:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F4273BECC; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tEU256w4EnoIXBKQFKa9sGqvoRy0wB/079jgSZ7sPXhXr1hliTJW3Wgq5BQP4lSQc79lcHnC2+n70nLvogJ0dxPszYcN7khqZwjeTdF+pyXjhWO51lXjfMvEBHNu1Fe7Xh+kHMU7vf8bmFIhbpkYtRwb3drig3OA/C/MZU5gFF0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060724051028.69516.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060724051028.69516.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <55EC7260-8685-442F-A712-DFB6FD107366@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:32:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3ywRPC.A.OqD.5OJxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:32:42 +0000 (UTC) On 24 jul 2006, at 07.10, rune fagereng wrote: > Regarding using Ableton as a mixer for your EDP. > Can you tell more about your gear and how you do this and maybe > also the strong and weak sides of doing it like this? I have a sound card with many inputs and outputs (RME Multiface). One strong side of Live's mixer is that it's very easy and fast to work with. I mean; all inputs and outputs are directly accessible on each track. Not only the analog and digital ins and outs of the sound card, you also get MIDI in and out and the option to set any other track as one track's output. This makes it easy to combine EDP and other hardware with software loopers of all kind. If you run Live on a Mac you may also incorporate the MIDI pipes built into the computer system which is handy for sending control MIDI data between plugins, tracks and external gear (in XP you can achieve about the same with the MIDI Yoke hack). Other strong sides is all the built-in effect plug-ins that comes with Live (I especially adore that Freeze Reverb) but I also find it cool to use Live's "Pan Plug" for beat synced tremolo with the option to sweep the tempo divider for those "copter landing/take-off" effects. A bit more advanced stuff you can do with Live is to create loops of MIDI (or "Clip Envelopes", see Live's manual) that you can launch to send sequences of commands to your loopers (to the EDP via the physical MIDI output port). If you record loops in Live, as Live Clips (either audio or MIDI loops) you may also do cool things with the random launching function (see Live's manual on "Follow Action"). Clips (loops) on the same track in Live can also be set to "legato mode" which means that if one loop is playing at 2 bars, on 4th and one 16th when you jump to another loop (for playback on that track) this new loop will take over and begin playing back also at "2 bars, on 4th and one 16th". Weak sides of using Live as the mixer for EDP (and other hardware audio devices) is that any live input (real-time audio stream) is being delayed by the process when the computer had to digitize it (the AD conversion - analog to digital). This is what's being called "latency" and is not a problem specific to Live but to all setups that combine external real-time processes with computer applications. I did not perceive it as a problem though when doing slow and ambient music, although I used the laptop with Live as the routing patch bay and mixer for both the EDP, analog filter bank (beat synced by MIDI Clock) and outboard reverb. I could mix these three audio sources and also send "effect aux send" to them without disturbing phasing errors or (worse) musical timing errors. Live has a built in latency compensation, but this can only work on tracks that play back already recorded material, because Live needs to "pre view" to do the time shifting. And there is no way to preview external real-time input. (Regarding AD/DA related latency I must say that I enjoy looping in Mobius as a standalone application because it's super tight and rock solid. Instead of MIDI loops in Live I'm now using special scripts that kind of do the same things - but you do hear the difference in musical accuracy... timing-wise). Another weak side with Live is that it's not very stable when used as the MIDI Clock sync slave. Especially with the EDP as the master, because every time you go HalfSpeed the tempo goes down by 50 percent. I really like to use that musically but with Live it's not possible (as it is when running a Repeater synced to the EDP). But this is not a problem as long as you use Live as the tempo master; you can assign a pedal to Tap Tempo in Live and this is the way I've been doing it (although I tend to feel about it as "a workaround"). Just tap four kicks on the tempo pedal and kick the fifth on the Looper Record button will work. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 10:11:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560C23BECA; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c6af09$81725cc0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060724002635.96743.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: airtap Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:11:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:11:35 +0000 (UTC) I'm reminded of the work Larajii did with Eno some years ago, "Ambient 3: Day of Radiance", combined with the Zither played with small hammers. Interesting - and it does bring up the aspect of "is tapping guitar playing or use of the guitar as melodic percussion?" But very light-sounding. One wonders how he'd sound after Eno had at him... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Sent: Monday, 24 July, 2006 01:26 AM Subject: Re: airtap > how many of us will be incorporating some of this into > our own styles?...thanks for posting that. > dSv > > --- RP Collier wrote: > >> Different sort of guitar styling: >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbndgwfG22k&search=airtap >> >> Nice flick of the wrist gesture. >> >> Can't remember where I came across it, sorry if it >> was previously >> posted. >> >> regards >> >> >> BobC >> >> >> >> >> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 >> http://tinyurl.com/cr25j >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 12:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29C7F3BECC; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:29:54 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <01af01c6aef8$405b8560$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Message-ID: <20060724122954.324400@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <01af01c6aef8$405b8560$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi <>>RC-50 video on summer NAMM > Do you like tap dancing ;-) > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3266 Glad to see that they have a Boss live looping demo not by a guitar player for a change. ;-) On the week-end, I bought extra footswitches for my RC-50. My leg started hurting yesterday.. The RC-50 does require quite a lot of tap dancing... Then again, I wonder why this guy Rico is just using one foot for all these pedals while sitting. Two feet are more efficient with the RC-50. btw: I wonder why he doesn't demonstrate the tempo feature.... ;-))) Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 13:36:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E2623BEDA; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 0.9 X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 433916560 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9470@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: airtap Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:36:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF26.27DB5E06" Resent-Message-ID: <6O01h.A.IcD.ezMxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF26.27DB5E06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbndgwfG22k&search=airtap hmm... I think he needs a flautist.... something to drag the tonal centre around a bit. a bit of stanley jordan in there too, wasn't there? I saw pierre bensusan (with didier malherbe, hence the flute ref) a few years ago. I think he had two 'plexes..... same sort of overall effect, but he was able to modulate around a bit by using the loopers instead of trying to do it all single-handed. don't get me wrong- this guy's performance is very impressive.... but it straight away made me wonder if anyone had ever built something like a pedal-steel with an "ordinary" fingerboard to facilitate two-handed tapping & key changes on the same instrument.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAbndgwfG= 22k&search=3Dairtap


    hmm... I think he needs a flautist.... something to drag = the tonal centre around a bit. a bit of stanley jordan in there too, wasn't= there?

    I saw pierre bensusan (with didier malherbe, hence the fl= ute ref) a few years ago. I think he had two 'plexes..... same sort of over= all effect, but he was able to modulate around a bit by using the loopers i= nstead of trying to do it all single-handed.

    don't get me wrong- this guy's performance is very impres= sive.... but it straight away made me wonder if anyone had ever built somet= hing like a pedal-steel with an "ordinary" fingerboard to facilit= ate two-handed tapping & key changes on the same instrument....<= /P>

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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF26.27DB5E06-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 14:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2098B3BED5; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:07:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0695_01C6AEF8.3FE08900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:07:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0695_01C6AEF8.3FE08900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In case anyone is interested....this signifies my official commitment to = a notebook/software looping system, removing the safety net and security = blanket of hardware. http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this sells as a system, wired, = and ready to go inside the rack) ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_0695_01C6AEF8.3FE08900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In case anyone is interested....this = signifies my=20 official commitment to a notebook/software looping system, removing = the=20 safety net and security blanket of hardware.
     
    http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm  (this sells as a system, wired, and ready to go inside = the=20 rack)
     
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Looping Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_0695_01C6AEF8.3FE08900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 15:03:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 792743BEE7; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:03:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0105_01C6AF43.04A43DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2006 15:03:06.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[44B7F550:01C6AF32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:03:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C6AF43.04A43DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, this is just to say that the Looper's Delight Playlist doesn't = work... Can you check it ?=20 Is it my PC or ther's some other problem ? Ciao fabio PS: nice and usefull set-up...how can you change your gear every 4-6 = months ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, = Looperlative) In case anyone is interested....this signifies my official commitment = to a notebook/software looping system, removing the safety net and = security blanket of hardware. http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this sells as a system, = wired, and ready to go inside the rack) ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C6AF43.04A43DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Kris, this is just to = say that the=20 Looper's Delight Playlist doesn't work...
    Can you check it ? =
    Is it my PC or ther's = some other=20 problem ?
    Ciao
    fabio
     
    PS: nice and usefull = set-up...how=20 can you change your gear every 4-6 months ?
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 ; LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com =
    Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 = 4:07 PM
    Subject: Selling my hardware=20 effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative)

    In case anyone is interested....this = signifies my=20 official commitment to a notebook/software looping system, = removing the=20 safety net and security blanket of hardware.
     
    http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm  (this sells as a system, wired, and ready to go inside = the=20 rack)
     
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Looping Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com = / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_0105_01C6AF43.04A43DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 15:36:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 741563BEE7; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:36:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07AA_01C6AF04.A7BA9230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <1nVVJC.A.ipH.JkOxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:36:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07AA_01C6AF04.A7BA9230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, it should work now. I changed to a different web server last = month and forgot to add this file. It should work now. Ah yes..how I can change my gear so often? I thrive on change, I guess. = And these days, I'm also looking for ways to optimize and get the most = out of less. The laptop seems to have met that criterion for the time = being, unless someone comes out with a hardware unit that will do = everything my laptop will....NOT Muse Receptor, as even that has its = limitations and points of inflexibility. Plus, in most cases I am = selling gear that I bought used (with exception of the Looperlative), so = I don't really loose money in the changes. And like I said, I really want to get a Taylor Nylon string. It is = surprising that I haven't bought a nice electric nylon string after all = these years, because the classical guitar was my first instrument, and I = studies it for several years, from age 12 onward. Not that I plan to = play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is too full and I've = forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of the nylon = string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward to hearing = it through my VST system.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, = Fireworx, Looperlative) Kris, this is just to say that the Looper's Delight Playlist doesn't = work... Can you check it ?=20 Is it my PC or ther's some other problem ? Ciao fabio PS: nice and usefull set-up...how can you change your gear every 4-6 = months ? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, = Fireworx, Looperlative) In case anyone is interested....this signifies my official = commitment to a notebook/software looping system, removing the safety = net and security blanket of hardware. http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this sells as a system, = wired, and ready to go inside the rack) ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_07AA_01C6AF04.A7BA9230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Sorry, it should work now. I changed to = a different=20 web server last month and forgot to add this file. It should work=20 now.
     
    Ah yes..how I can change my gear so = often?  I=20 thrive on change, I guess. And these days, I'm also looking for = ways to=20 optimize and get the most out of less. The laptop seems to have met that = criterion for the time being, unless someone comes out with a hardware = unit that=20 will do everything my laptop will....NOT Muse Receptor, as even = that has=20 its limitations and points of inflexibility. Plus, in most cases I am = selling=20 gear that I bought used (with exception of the Looperlative), so I don't = really=20 loose money in the changes.
     
    And like I said, I really want to get a = Taylor=20 Nylon string. It is surprising that I haven't bought a nice electric = nylon=20 string after all these years, because the classical guitar was my first=20 instrument, and I studies it for several years, from age 12 onward. Not = that I=20 plan to play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is too full and I've = forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of the nylon = string=20 that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward to hearing it = through my=20 VST system.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 = 9:03 AM
    Subject: Re: Selling my = hardware=20 effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative)

    Kris, this is just to = say that=20 the Looper's Delight Playlist doesn't work...
    Can you check it ? =
    Is it my PC or ther's = some other=20 problem ?
    Ciao
    fabio
     
    PS: nice and usefull = set-up...how=20 can you change your gear every 4-6 months ?
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 ; LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com =
    Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 = 4:07=20 PM
    Subject: Selling my hardware=20 effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative)

    In case anyone is = interested....this signifies=20 my official commitment to a notebook/software looping system, = removing=20 the safety net and security blanket of hardware.
     
    http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm  (this sells as a system, wired, and ready to go = inside the=20 rack)
     
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung=20 / Improvisational Looping Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_07AA_01C6AF04.A7BA9230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 15:42:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B2D53BEDE; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c401c6af37$b5700f80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000601c6ad28$0a071050$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:40:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C6AF15.F1F90280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:42:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C6AF15.F1F90280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry I'm coming back to this late. My home Windows system seems to have = decided to lose the Registry file, so I'm rebuilding. =20 Anyway, yes. I'm pretty sure the 'artificial guitar' is me. processed = like crazy. I have so many signal paths through my system, it's hard to = remember what I was doing. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. yeah, that's OhmBoyz all right...as well as the things 'round 7:30 = that go "quaquawheekah...quakahhquakkaahhh". If I remember correctly, = the synth loop and the OhmBoyz is done by me, the "artifical guitar" is = Tony K...Tony, is that what you remember, too? ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juli 2006 00:09 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. It's about 8 minutes into the MP3 files...sounds like feedback.=20 K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. No Pluggo here, either. But it's all software on my side (except = for the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback network, so I can't = even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz delay? Rainer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Von: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Juli 2006 22:29 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. No Pluggo on my end. It's all hardware for me. Roland D50, = guitar through an RP2000, Morpheus, GR50, DL4, RC20, DD20, Vortex, = RSP-550, a bunch of ModFX. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Nice. I like the amount of space and breathing room. Did I = hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there?=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Tony and Rainer make weird noises. Hi all, =20 Last week Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync = and did a NINJAM session. While we had a few technical issues, we did = manage to make some music together. If anybody is interested, there's a = 23 minute (33 meg d/l) file at: =20 http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 =20 Comments welcome! =20 Tony ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C6AF15.F1F90280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Sorry I'm coming back to this late. My = home Windows=20 system seems to have decided to lose the Registry file, so I'm = rebuilding. =20
     
    Anyway, yes.  I'm pretty sure the = 'artificial=20 guitar' is me. processed like crazy.  I have so many signal paths = through=20 my system, it's hard to remember what I was doing.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 8:44 PM
    Subject: AW: Tony and Rainer = make weird=20 noises.

    yeah, that's OhmBoyz all right...as well as = the things=20 'round 7:30 that go "quaquawheekah...quakahhquakkaahhh". If I remember = correctly, the synth loop and the OhmBoyz is done by me, the = "artifical=20 guitar" is Tony K...Tony, is that what you remember, too?=20 ;)

    Von: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Gesendet: Samstag, 22. = Juli 2006=20 00:09
    An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Betreff:=20 Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises.

    It's about 8 minutes into the MP3=20 files...sounds like feedback.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 = 3:28=20 PM
    Subject: AW: Tony and = Rainer make=20 weird noises.

    No Pluggo here, either. But it's all = software on my=20 side (except for the guitar). I don't even know Pluggo's feedback = network,=20 so I can't even guess what you mistook for it...perhaps OhmBoyz=20 delay?
     
            = Rainer

    Von: Tony K=20 [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]
    Gesendet: Freitag, 21. = Juli=20 2006 22:29
    An: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
    Betreff:=20 Re: Tony and Rainer make weird noises.

    No Pluggo on my end.  It's = all=20 hardware for me.  Roland D50, guitar through an RP2000, = Morpheus,=20 GR50, DL4, RC20, DD20, Vortex, RSP-550, a bunch of = ModFX.
     
    Tony
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Krispen Hartung =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 21, = 2006 10:47=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Tony and = Rainer make=20 weird noises.

    Nice. I like the amount of = space and=20 breathing room. Did I hear Pluggo's Feedback Network in there? =
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Tony K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July = 04, 2006=20 10:31 PM
    Subject: Tony and = Rainer make=20 weird noises.

    Hi=20 all,

     

    Last week=20 Rainer and I managed to get our schedules in sync and did a = NINJAM=20 session.  While we had a few technical issues, we did = manage to=20 make some music together.  If anybody is interested, = there=92s a=20 23 minute (33 meg d/l) file at:

     

    http://www.= thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3

     

    Comments=20 welcome!

     

    Tony

    <= /BLOCKQUOTE>
    ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C6AF15.F1F90280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 16:17:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B9223BEE7; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:16:48 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <01af01c6aef8$405b8560$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Thread-Index: Acau+EM/4i8AFt6pRQ2/uOlU7hkjYQAQ+umA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:17:00 +0000 (UTC) I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name like this, he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful looper in the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." > > Do you like tap dancing ;-) > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3266 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 16:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27A603BEF0; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <081501c6af3c$e12a4460$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:19:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Someone needs to tell him/them that they are highly misinformed... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: RC-50 video on summer NAMM >I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name like this, > he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful looper > in > the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." > >> >> Do you like tap dancing ;-) >> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3266 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:11:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 735BE3BED9; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:07:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:11:23 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 24, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name > like this, > he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful > looper in > the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." The truly scary part is that Boss thinks this clown is going to help sell their product. I couldn't stop laughing. Poor guy...he seems to take his "art" so seriously, too. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:26:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 329B53BEF6; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:23:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:34 +0000 (UTC) That's tough talk, jeff... I think he's got his act down pretty well perfect. Care to demonstrate YOUR rig on video?? >On Jul 24, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >>I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name like this, >>he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful looper in >>the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." > >The truly scary part is that Boss thinks this clown is going to help >sell their product. I couldn't stop laughing. Poor guy...he seems to >take his "art" so seriously, too. > >Jeff -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:31:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A59A3BEE9; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1140.128.193.37.230.1153762289.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <01af01c6aef8$405b8560$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <01af01c6aef8$405b8560$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:31:33 +0000 (UTC) > Do you like tap dancing ;-) > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3266 The video is useless for figuring out what Rico's doing. The key thing he says is that the RC-50 is 3 RC-20s in parallel. That's the design fault. Rico's a pretty good performer actually. Someone should invite Rico onto the LD list. Boss might actually listen to him. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:32:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC2983BEF3; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:32:11 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080001030202090605060202" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:32:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080001030202090605060202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a nylon-string through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's the only guitar I play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have a lot of fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing (the Truly Beautiful Disaster), it works great. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > And like I said, I really want to get a Taylor Nylon string. It is > surprising that I haven't bought a nice electric nylon string after > all these years, because the classical guitar was my first instrument, > and I studies it for several years, from age 12 onward. Not that I > plan to play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is too full and > I've forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of the > nylon string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward to > hearing it through my VST system. --------------080001030202090605060202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a nylon-string through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's the only guitar I play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have a lot of fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing (the Truly Beautiful Disaster), it works great.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

     And like I said, I really want to get a Taylor Nylon string. It is surprising that I haven't bought a nice electric nylon string after all these years, because the classical guitar was my first instrument, and I studies it for several years, from age 12 onward. Not that I plan to play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is too full and I've forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of the nylon string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward to hearing it through my VST system. 

    --------------080001030202090605060202-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:34:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84D503BF01; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08da01c6af47$60a76600$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:34:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C6AF15.15230B30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:34:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C6AF15.15230B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will! I am really looking forward to it...IF I can ever sell this rack = :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, = Fireworx, Looperlative) Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a nylon-string = through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's the only guitar I = play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have a lot of = fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing (the = Truly Beautiful Disaster), it works great. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com And like I said, I really want to get a Taylor Nylon string. It is = surprising that I haven't bought a nice electric nylon string after all = these years, because the classical guitar was my first instrument, and I = studies it for several years, from age 12 onward. Not that I plan to = play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is too full and I've = forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of the nylon = string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward to hearing = it through my VST system.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C6AF15.15230B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I will! I am really looking forward to = it...IF I=20 can ever sell this rack :)
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 = 11:32=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Selling my = hardware=20 effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative)

    Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a=20 nylon-string through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's = the only=20 guitar I play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have = a lot=20 of fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing = (the Truly=20 Beautiful Disaster), it works great.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

     And like I said, I really = want to get a=20 Taylor Nylon string. It is surprising that I haven't bought a nice = electric=20 nylon string after all these years, because the classical guitar was = my=20 first instrument, and I studies it for several years, from age 12 = onward.=20 Not that I plan to play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is = too full=20 and I've forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of = the=20 nylon string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward = to=20 hearing it through my VST=20 system. 

    ------=_NextPart_000_08D7_01C6AF15.15230B30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:37:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCC0F3BEEC; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=frCy12yJSnrYA7g+nNb5w0p2x3sIaHyZkelV0jG+NXfy/pgyPQOQuVJmqCvwI36h5LpDXDX9vUCWSVXbaNW2Q2uBEgHcdIxVAOE8dzCxn1ma9DewKWi7g4rmWqv6lSZ1V3E43i25dgbmncKN62KOP8c/Bj9KsOpYdbHdsxt6Tm8= ; Message-ID: <20060724173725.15959.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:37:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio Firewire Solo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <037f01c6adf9$4897fce0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:37:59 +0000 (UTC) I that that may be a holdover from the "IBM" days of the Thinkpad. Remember, the "B" stands for business. Not traditionally peeps who pass large streaming data around. Note on the Macs, Sonys and Toshibas Firewire has always been standard. This slightly influenced my decision to buy a Toshiba but I'm sure it was a silly reason as friends I have who know hardware told me that the Firewire adaptor would be fine. Mostly I got what I think was a good deal on my machine and so far it's been extremely stable and has been working like a champ. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > It's weird, all of my other PC notebooks has > firewire, and then I buy this > amazingly fast ThinkPad, designed for fortune 500 > companies, and it doesn't > have one. Very odd. Not big deal, though, as a > firewire card for the cardbus > will do the trick. The one I found seemed to be a > bit more expensive than > others (as low as $18), so I feel safe going with > it. Plus, it will give me > two more USB 2.0 slots as well. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: Firewire/USB 2.0 Adaptors for M-Audio > Firewire Solo > > > whoops! > > I am blind: "don't have firewire..." > > jeez, buy a mac already... > > :-) > > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com ďż˝ AngryVegan.com > > > On Jul 22, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > > Check out the Presonus Firebox > > > > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/PreSonus-FIREBOX-24bit96kHz- > > > FireWire-Recording-System?sku=184133 > > > > or > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ga9xm > > > > for my money the pre-amps sound better > > > > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > > pfMENTUM.com ďż˝ AngryVegan.com > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > > >> While we're on this topic. I am thinking of > getting the m-Audio Firewire > >> Solo as input for my guitar, not because I don't > like my Echo Indio IO > >> card, but because I'd like the option of having > an actual mic XLR and as > >> well as 1/4 inch inputs. However, my notebook > doesn't have firewire, > >> only USB 2.0. > >> > >> I found a few cardbus Firewire/USB 2.0 converters > that will do the > >> trick, like this one: > >> > http://www.usb-ware.com/ads-usb-2-firewire-cardbus.htm > >> > >> Can anyone else make any recommendations? > >> > >> Here is the m-Audio Firewire Solo: > >> > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWireSolo-main.html > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Krispen Hartung > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:02 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook > computer system > >>> > >>> Ted, the trick is to build your computer system > on the side so that you > >>> don't have to go without full functioning system > for any period of > >>> time...then you can transition slowly into the > notebook system. Once > >>> you get your notebook computer and sound card, > then we can help you > >>> build a basic system for very low cost. Get an > inexpensive VST host > >>> like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all > less than $100), and then > >>> take advantage of the thousands of free VST > effects out there. You will > >>> be amazed at how many effects you can replace in > your hardware system > >>> with just free VSTs...astounding. > >>> > >>> ...then, once you get that basic notebook system > up and running, you > >>> can start selling one hardware effect at a time > to purchase more > >>> expensive and higher quality VST effects and > hosts. You could buy > >>> sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, > PSP84 and PSP42, Pluggo, > >>> Hipno, etc. And you could get more sophisticated > VST hosts, like > >>> MAX/MSP, if you choose. Next thing you know, you > have gradually > >>> replaced every cell in your guitar system body > with a new cell...hope > >>> you like the analogy. > >>> > >>> So, there is a relatively easy way to make the > transition without it > >>> being too painful, radical, or costly. > >>> > >>> Kris > >>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: tEd ďż˝ kiLLiAn > >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 1:51 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook > computer system > >>>> > >>>> Jeff, > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 22, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Kaiser > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ted: Sell your gear. Buy a laptop. > >>>> > >>>> I might just yet . . . however, I have a track > record of selling off > >>>> bunches of > >>>> perfectly good gear from time to time in order > to afford getting the > >>>> "latest > >>>> greatest" thing (ya know it's true) and then > about 3/4 of the time I > >>>> wind up > >>>> being so disappointed with the new stuff and > wishin' I hadn't that > >>>> it's sorta > >>>> heartbreaking. > >>>> > >>>> After 43 years of playing I finally have a set > of sounds I like, I > >>>> finally sound > >>>> like myself (I think). And I still have the > depth in what gear I have > >>>> to learn new > >>>> things -- room for growth. Yes, hauling gear is > a pain, but giving up > >>>> that other > >>>> aspect (my personal sound) for the total > unknown is a daunting > >>>> proposition > >>>> that will probably have to take some > significant other motivating > >>>> factor to get > >>>> me to give in, turn loose, whatever. Pain is a > good motivator . . . > >>>> but so far > >>>> it's only pain. > >>>> > >>>> Peace, > >>>> > >>>> tEd ďż˝ kiLLiAn > >>>> > >>>> "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > >>>> > >>>> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > >>>> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > >>>> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > >>>> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > >>>> > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > >>>> > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > >>>> > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EB323BEFE; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08007B78-B277-4275-BBEE-CC5BBB3C2B47@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:41:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:45:52 +0000 (UTC) > > > That's tough talk, jeff... I think he's got his act down pretty > well perfect. I didn't say it wasn't an act. In fact, that's quite a good word for it, come to think of it. > > Care to demonstrate YOUR rig on video?? Sure, sometime. It's pretty straightforward. I'm not sure what you'd be interested in. Anything in particular? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:46:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A9283BF08; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08e101c6af49$1c843e60$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:46:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:46:39 +0000 (UTC) One of these days, someone will do a looping program/hardware video that actually uses modern and effective instructional design. This whole thing with watching a guy play his instrument and toot his own horn, as he talks and wanks on his instrument, laughs at his own jokes, etc, and not being able to see what he is talking about in the application, is highly ineffective. If someone were to do this right, they would film the performer playing and talking, and then there would be a separate video window on the side that shows the Unit or software screen, so you can see the programming in use. Or they would build the video so that you can stop it and click on a Job Aid link, which shows graphics or sub-videos of the application. We use this in training all of the time. For instance, we will have an elearning module that has a video of the person talking in one window, the slide set of bulleted points in another window, and scrolling text in a third window. This appeals to multiple learning styles. It's been don for years. There is a lot of potential, but no one is tapping into it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM > > > That's tough talk, jeff... I think he's got his act down pretty well > perfect. > > Care to demonstrate YOUR rig on video?? > > > >>On Jul 24, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> >>>I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name like >>>this, >>>he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful looper >>>in >>>the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." >> >>The truly scary part is that Boss thinks this clown is going to help sell >>their product. I couldn't stop laughing. Poor guy...he seems to take his >>"art" so seriously, too. >> >>Jeff > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:52:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014293BF0A; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e1dq6OwUE2WWvWW8x7OU6bYga3CIfb1+m1Cf/AmxhcqEXVduJRfzCok0sspUH64aH3S2qatqosdiZlh2u0TCRXq4MR4Rkp0JADolfnw3M9riJ8zIaorb6WH5peXJ5nS/o+pQ3BX5738db2vEbnWaCiDiH+G9CXI/u2OiwxeQMJ4= ; Message-ID: <20060724175231.1328.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <30e17758a9a0ae36429d63a22fafc9fa@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ted That totally describes me too. Mac guy from way back. Love those little computers. I've been doing graphic design and music on them for years. Still do. However... Evil forces (and there are always evil forces) at work have made it so there's significantly less audio stuff out there for Macs. Yeah yeah, run XP on a Macbook... but why? When I asked myself that question I couldn't really find a compelling answer. So I dove in to the PC world. First thing I noticed is that the new Mac ads are pretty correct. The personality of each OS is dead on in those commercials and if you don't protect your PC from the outside world you'll have trouble. Also XP has a nerdy geek built in that wants to constantly bug you with stuff you don't want to know/do/hear. Microsoft's idea of being helpful is that animated paperclip. With a day of research and stuff I was able to kill that idiot... not I just have a stable (with an ugly GUI) OS that runs my apps. Most of the time Live 5, Mobius and Reaktor are taking up all my pixels so "whatever." I just want it to work and it does. So... my next plan is to upgrade my main desktop. What will it be? No doubt it will be a G5... XP is fine, but when push comes to shove I'd rather to it with a Mac as much as I can. Mark --- tEd ďż˝ kiLLiAn wrote: > Krisp, > > I'm enjoying this discussion -- even though it is > taking on certain > aspects of > an behavior altering "intervention" at my expense . > . . heheheh. I love > all of > you guys too. > > Another slight hiccup in the plan is I already have > a few computers and > one > laptop, all of which are Macintoshes. I am a long > time graphic designer > type > and only slightly speak "PC" if you know what I > mean. I know just > enough to > be able to turn one on an launch a simple program or > game. check my > e-mail > and turn the thing off again. In other words . . . > on a PC . . . I'm > useless. > > I am a fairly "expert" level user on a Mac (in > general) 'cuz I've been > using > them continuously since the mid to late '80s. I have > an M-Box and > ProTools > and can record audio. I even have a Live, Reason, > and a bunch of other > bits > of software that came bundled with the M-Box and > some other software > packages I've purchased over the years. > > It won't be cheap getting a Mac computer that'll do > all the stuff I > want to do. I'm > sure my current little iBook doesn't have the > horsepower to run all of > that stuff. > Plus, family budget considerations will not likely > allow that I can buy > a lappy > of any sort JUST to do music stuff with it. All of > my computer > purchases so > far have been serious professional graphic business > tools that I could > write > off as business expenses at tax time. > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. Excuses, excuses, excuses . . . > > Peace y'all! > > Ted > > On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Ted, the trick is to build your computer system on > the side so that > > you don't have to go without full functioning > system for any period of > > time...then you can transition slowly into the > notebook system.ďż˝ Once > > you get your notebook computer and sound card, > then we can help you > > build a basic system for very low cost. Get an > inexpensive VST host > > like Chainer, EnergyXT, or Plogue Bidule (all less > than $100), and > > then take advantage of the thousands of free VST > effects out there.ďż˝ > > You will be amazed at how many effects you can > replace in your > > hardware system with just free VSTs...astounding. > > ďż˝ > > ...then, once you get that basic notebook system > up and running, you > > can start selling one hardware effect at a time to > purchase more > > expensive and higher quality VST effects and > hosts.ďż˝ You could buy > > sophisticated VST effect systems like Reaktor, > PSP84 and PSP42, > > Pluggo, Hipno, etc. And you could get more > sophisticated VSTďż˝hosts, > > likeďż˝MAX/MSP, if youďż˝choose. ďż˝Next thing you know, > you have gradually > > replaced every cell in your guitar system body > with a new cell...hope > > you like the analogy. > > ďż˝ > > So, there is a relatively easy way to make the > transition without it > > being too painful, radical, or costly. > > ďż˝ > > Kris > > ďż˝ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 17:54:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D60883BEE9; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20580229.1153763676229.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:54:36 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Has one ever been done for the EDP? -- Paul ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > One of these days, someone will do a looping program/hardware video that > actually uses modern and effective instructional design. This whole thing > with watching a guy play his instrument and toot his own horn, as he talks > and wanks on his instrument, laughs at his own jokes, etc, and not being > able to see what he is talking about in the application, is highly > ineffective. > > If someone were to do this right, they would film the performer playing and > talking, and then there would be a separate video window on the side that > shows the Unit or software screen, so you can see the programming in use. Or > they would build the video so that you can stop it and click on a Job Aid > link, which shows graphics or sub-videos of the application. > > We use this in training all of the time. For instance, we will have an > elearning module that has a video of the person talking in one window, the > slide set of bulleted points in another window, and scrolling text in a > third window. This appeals to multiple learning styles. It's been don for > years. > > There is a lot of potential, but no one is tapping into it. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Zwicky" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:23 AM > Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM > > > > > > > > That's tough talk, jeff... I think he's got his act down pretty well > > perfect. > > > > Care to demonstrate YOUR rig on video?? > > > > > > > >>On Jul 24, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> > >>>I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name like > >>>this, > >>>he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful looper > >>>in > >>>the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." > >> > >>The truly scary part is that Boss thinks this clown is going to help sell > >>their product. I couldn't stop laughing. Poor guy...he seems to take his > >>"art" so seriously, too. > >> > >>Jeff > > > > > > -- > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 18:10:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575B33BF07; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1383.128.193.37.230.1153764614.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <08e101c6af49$1c843e60$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> <08e101c6af49$1c843e60$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:10:21 +0000 (UTC) > If someone were to do this right, they would film the performer playing and > talking, and then there would be a separate video window on the side that > shows the Unit or software screen, so you can see the programming in use. Ironically, that's exactly what was presented at the booth. You can see the pedal-view video screen to the right in the video. The videographer didn't have a split screen set up, I guess. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 18:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2210A3BEEE; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gpxCl8No1RQoPR8tEb7PKTJypyf6pm7onubkBiKgA90WaZDjIUFEHgkvVAYYbFT0BXkb2lgcfWy5HxRs55uhUZ0ZqSsBfbcRC0rdcDBeVrQKWAvfb8r7UZaJFVRxCrkKEeI3xAq9fACIdlHgjAmq9WCOUb4mXow1XCXCsetEPdo= ; Message-ID: <20060724181735.96549.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <034801c6adca$1105ce30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:17:38 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Shall we develop the 12 steps to transitioning from > a hardware to notebook > guitar system? :) First step: realizing that you > are addicted to hardware. I was thinking (am still) about this a lot as I have been looking at software that can replace some of my hardware synths. I've always really dug synthesis and this has really invigorated my love for all things synth or processing. Why? Because it's no longer tied to hardware. Here's my case. A few of us (and me) have been bashing Roland/Boss because of what we percieve as shortcomings on the RC-50. Why? Well because we feel that above all Roland is a company. A big company with investors and a lot at stake to make them happy with dividend checks. When they make something they think cash/feature. If it's not something that will help sell more units, more often than not it's tossed to the curb. Some suit says, "Let a boutique company like Looperlative Audio Research take care of that need." At the end of the day, they're right. But, along comes software processing/instruments. Here an inventor/programmer can make anything the fuck they want because other than the time and effort it will take them to code it there is no other expense incurred. Features can be added and not a single sweatshop worker will have to solder a damn thing to make it happen. Marketing? Give betas away free and talk to as many lists as you can about why your product rocks and how interested you are in suggestions and be honest about what features you'll be adding in future revisions. In the end what you find is a healthy crop of really interesting and unique virtual devices that would probably never be economically viable as hardware but seem to be doing fine as software. This is really, really exciting. It's a great time for music, that's for sure. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 18:39:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7DF93BEF3; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <092901c6af50$7ce11c90$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060724181735.96549.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:39:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:39:28 +0000 (UTC) You are exactly right. In the same line of thought, VST effects and Reaktor ensebles are also created by hundreds of developers and provided for free. So once you get the host or base program, the sky is the limit after that. If I were a keyboard player, I'd definitely be using soft synths via my notebook. I think John McLaughlin went this route a while back with his synth guitar. So the market appeal here is not a specific set of features in a patch or instrumnet, but the flexibility of the host. Find a host that will meet your needs, and then the rest is a scavenger hunt for your fovorite instruments, effects, ensembles, etc. It's a pretty cool idea...smart. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Shall we develop the 12 steps to transitioning from >> a hardware to notebook >> guitar system? :) First step: realizing that you >> are addicted to hardware. > > I was thinking (am still) about this a lot as I have > been looking at software that can replace some of my > hardware synths. I've always really dug synthesis and > this has really invigorated my love for all things > synth or processing. Why? Because it's no longer > tied to hardware. > > Here's my case. A few of us (and me) have been > bashing Roland/Boss because of what we percieve as > shortcomings on the RC-50. Why? Well because we feel > that above all Roland is a company. A big company > with investors and a lot at stake to make them happy > with dividend checks. When they make something they > think cash/feature. If it's not something that will > help sell more units, more often than not it's tossed > to the curb. Some suit says, "Let a boutique company > like Looperlative Audio Research take care of that > need." > > At the end of the day, they're right. > > But, along comes software processing/instruments. > Here an inventor/programmer can make anything the fuck > they want because other than the time and effort it > will take them to code it there is no other expense > incurred. Features can be added and not a single > sweatshop worker will have to solder a damn thing to > make it happen. Marketing? Give betas away free and > talk to as many lists as you can about why your > product rocks and how interested you are in > suggestions and be honest about what features you'll > be adding in future revisions. > > In the end what you find is a healthy crop of really > interesting and unique virtual devices that would > probably never be economically viable as hardware but > seem to be doing fine as software. This is really, > really exciting. It's a great time for music, that's > for sure. > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 19:05:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 133CB3BEE7; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <094c01c6af54$1d7728e0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20580229.1153763676229.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:05:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:05:26 +0000 (UTC) okay, I forced myself to watch this video. He's a good player, he has a good command of the unit, he's a multi-instrumentalist, and he pulled off the requisite "white lie" hype-it-up marketing spiel up front. He did everything he was paid to do, but that is the instuctional extent of the video. BTW, in the US at least, it is legal for most companies to lie in their commercials about their products, provided they don't have the lion's share of the marketshare. It's a funny quirk of US free enterpris You can hear this in our commericals, whether it is cars, processors, computers, etc. But I digress... These NAMM show videos aren't really supposed to be formal training/instructional videos. No one expects this, right? That would be too complicated and involved, overshadowing the promotional function of the event. Yes, the camera pans on the floor unit once in a while, to show him hitting a button, etc...but, as someone said early, this is pretty much useless. In the training world, I would get fired if I produced that video for a corporation. In general, when it comes to complicated gear like this, a live instructional video is going to be inneffective. People need to be able to take training at their own pace and with more than one medium...this is how people learn. What we need is a self-paced instructional package that blends bits of live videos for demostration purposes, close and intimate screen shots or videos that show programming key functionality, step by step, ability to practice, text version of everthing, ability to practice, etc. But effective training isn't cheap. A few years ago I oversaw the development of a 2 hour self-paced training module. It features live video of a speaker, powerpoint slides, text, checkpoint questions/quizzes, exercises where people could practice what the learned. It cost me $40,000 USD, because of hourly vendor costs, consulting, time to shoot videos, code the modules, and so on. At some point in time, I thought to myself I am in the wrong business, because if I had my own video equipment, editing software, and development tools, I could have done the product myelf for my own company. If I had a steady stream of business, I could easily produce a module like this each month...that's an averaged time, including time with the client, etc - it took three months to develop this $40K module, but not continuous time. That's roughly $480,000 USD a year. Once you get the tools and processes for development standarized, the rest is just consulting time with the customer. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 19:07:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581A23BEDD; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,176,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="296564071:sNHT34815726" Message-ID: <660400595.1153768053507.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:07:33 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:07:35 +0000 (UTC) If possible , I'd like to find a compromise between the hardware and softwa= re worlds.=20 Which is: Keep SOME of my familiar analogue rack stuff and INTEGRATE a Mac = laptop=20 (also familiar to me) with miscellaneous, flexible looping and transmogrify= ing software=20 plug-ins into what I do/have already. I don't want to spend a year of sleep= less nights=20 reading manals into the wee hours (and keeping my lovely wife awake). Readi= ng manuals=20 is not gratifying to my music making urge. I like certain aspects of Max MS= P (in concept) but find the prospect daunting. I also find Reaktor attractive. It eeams a = lot like Reason in terms of GUI (but what do I know).=20 For the time being I plan to just muddle along 'til something inspires or c= ompells me to=20 change . . . or 'til I come up with a really bright idea of a solution to m= y dilemma. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- mark sottilaro wrote:=20 > Hi Ted >=20 > That totally describes me too. Mac guy from way back. > Love those little computers. I've been doing graphic > design and music on them for years. Still do. >=20 > However... >=20 > Evil forces (and there are always evil forces) at work > have made it so there's significantly less audio stuff > out there for Macs. Yeah yeah, run XP on a Macbook... > but why? When I asked myself that question I couldn't > really find a compelling answer. >=20 > So I dove in to the PC world. First thing I noticed > is that the new Mac ads are pretty correct. The > personality of each OS is dead on in those commercials > and if you don't protect your PC from the outside > world you'll have trouble. Also XP has a nerdy geek > built in that wants to constantly bug you with stuff > you don't want to know/do/hear. Microsoft's idea of > being helpful is that animated paperclip. >=20 > With a day of research and stuff I was able to kill > that idiot... not I just have a stable (with an ugly > GUI) OS that runs my apps. Most of the time Live 5, > Mobius and Reaktor are taking up all my pixels so > "whatever." I just want it to work and it does. >=20 > So... my next plan is to upgrade my main desktop.=20 > What will it be? No doubt it will be a G5... XP is > fine, but when push comes to shove I'd rather to it > with a Mac as much as I can. >=20 > Mark=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 19:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5D1E3BED5; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Training video for TC-Helicon VoiceLive--no looping content (was RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:29:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <094c01c6af54$1d7728e0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-index: AcavVCRuarHeYVd7QAShOeYaghgs1gAAiNtQ Message-Id: <20060724192931.GRMD27857.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi all-- I took the plunge and bought the TC-Helicon VoiceLive--and I recommend it for harmonization of vocals, haven't tried it on an instrument--I think I will try playing some harp into my vocal mike at the gig today (Wild Animal Park in Escondido--forecast, 100 degrees plus and raining!). But it came with a CD containing some video tutorials, a .pdf of the manual, and an audio step-by-step demo of a song being "treated". It would be great if every product came with this sort of info--maybe TC Helicon is better than most companies. BTW, Rico's demo was great--reminds me of Rick Walker's animated presentation. I still ain't buying an RC-50 tho. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 20:32:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 663563BEDD; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:32:41 +0000 Message-Id: <072420062032.11079.44C52E69000B034D00002B472205886442CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Well, they can't flat out lie, but they don't have to tell the whole truth, which they have made an art. Politicians of course can lie without consequence! Regards from Boston, Christophe -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Krispen Hartung" >BTW, in the US at least, >it is legal for most companies to lie in their commercials about their >products, provided they don't have the lion's share of the marketshare. It's >a funny quirk of US free enterpris You can hear this in our commericals, >whether it is cars, processors, computers, etc. But I digress... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 20:51:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33043BEF1; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:51:29 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: computer-tech question (time-sensitive) In-reply-to: <072420062032.11079.44C52E69000B034D00002B472205886442CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44C532D1.8000308@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <072420062032.11079.44C52E69000B034D00002B472205886442CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Anyone computer-tech-minded who can help me with this problem? My laptop died ("power issue"; currently in the shop) Saturday midway through a recording session, so I bought a desktop to use to make the 3 sound design and 1 music software review deadlines I have in the next week--yes, when it rains, it pours! :(. On Saturday, I installed a few programs I absolutely need, including Adobe Audition 2. I was playing an audio file in AA2 and opened up Netscape 7.2 (don't use any later edition because they don't have mail features) and the computer instantly crashed and rebooted. This happened every time I opened Netscape while playing a file in AA2, but it would not happen if a) I opened AA2 while Netscape was already open or b) opened Netscape while AA2 was open but *not* playing an audio file. Needing to focus on deadlines, I simply figured "must be a driver conflict, so don't do the above". So Sunday this workaround worked fine. Today, though, is a different matter. Today, AA2 will crash and reboot the computer immediately upon opening AA2. And this happens when no other program is open. So no matter what I do I can't open AA2 today, though yesterday I could (see above). It has happened consistently today and I *really* need to finish some editing for deadline #1 of 4 asap. So... does anyone have any ideas how I could fix this problem? Crapcleaner doesn't detect any issues. Adobe tech support have been a waste of my time in the past. Programs that run on start-up (and computer specs) can be viewed in this screenshot: http://andrew-duke.com/AndrewDuke_desktopspecsandstartup.bmp All help appreciated. Thanks. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 20:57:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1963BEE7; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MtKeO3FnibPs/0Rr42cg2rYCxECZGC/Pl0qvsPm4kjt70ay7diLG8Hdq7gGfL3pbL0CEEGpqfS4lACBI1HFMIChWNzcU3GNlk3GTemKAVsJHHw8LVTReom//yPLPHvdNv6O1n/vmGhDzSfKiJlN7rMOKUG4dkW4RQCtfZHBY0tc= In-Reply-To: <092901c6af50$7ce11c90$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060724181735.96549.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <092901c6af50$7ce11c90$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02C76199-3C56-4F87-954B-F11E4B2A1E07@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:57:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <00AClD.A.akB.NRTxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:57:49 +0000 (UTC) On 24 jul 2006, at 20.39, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'd definitely be using soft synths via my notebook. I think John > McLaughlin went this route a while back with his synth guitar. Last time I read an interview with him he was using Logic on a Powerbook. Plenty of softsynths bundled in there as well as a good guitar amp simulation and most effects. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 21:01:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303AB3BEDD; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09e701c6af64$63e72180$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <072420062032.11079.44C52E69000B034D00002B472205886442CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:01:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Here is an interesting aritlcle on the Federal Trade Commission and lying in commericals. http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusiness/resources/marketing/advertising_branding/why_lying_in_your_marketing_isnt_worth_it.mspx "Federal law flatly mandates that you must tell the truth in ads you create for products or services. Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act (passed in 1914 and amended in 1996) says it's illegal to deceive or mislead consumers. You cannot make fraudulent claims or insincere offers. The FTC also specifically highlights claims that mislead by omission. If you leave out relevant information or facts, or if your advertising claim hints at results that you can not deliver, you're looking for trouble." What smaller companies take advantage of is the gray area, where some degree of intepretation is required for "mislead" or "omission", or "relevant information or facts." So, given what that chap at NAMM said about the RC-50 being the only stereo looper in the world, you have to wonder whether using that video as advertisement is breaking a federal law, or maybe they don't actually state that in their "official" ads, yet the guy doing the demo just added that piece of innacurate info. I suppose one could say that the video isn't an ad, so they can say whatever they want...another grey area. Do you think what he said was scripted by Boss, or do you think he added it improptu? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM > Well, they can't flat out lie, but they don't have to tell the whole > truth, which they have made an art. > > Politicians of course can lie without consequence! > > Regards from Boston, > > Christophe > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > >>BTW, in the US at least, >>it is legal for most companies to lie in their commercials about their >>products, provided they don't have the lion's share of the marketshare. >>It's >>a funny quirk of US free enterpris You can hear this in our commericals, >>whether it is cars, processors, computers, etc. But I digress... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 21:05:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D51863BEF9; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:05:22 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c6af64$e0f74650$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <09e701c6af64$63e72180$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcavZGYHcOu2ZqqPRgieGCD6erx38gAACvrg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:05:30 +0000 (UTC) I don't think Boss scripted that...hey, even Boss do have another stereo looper in the market (DD20)! And the way I got it, the ad wasn't publicised by Boss either, but by sonicstate. > So, given what that chap at NAMM said about the RC-50 being > the only stereo looper in the world, you have to wonder > whether using that video as advertisement is breaking a > federal law, or maybe they don't actually state that in their > "official" ads, yet the guy doing the demo just added that > piece of innacurate info. I suppose one could say that the > video isn't an ad, so they can say whatever they > want...another grey area. Do you think what he said was > scripted by Boss, or do you think he added it improptu? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 21:29:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 346C93BEF8; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C53BB4.4080108@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:29:24 +0200 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0XKMkB.A.KDF.xuTxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Well, his performance at Musikmesse Frankfurt is one of the reasons why I will buy the RC50 (I'm reading this list since March); in my opinion it was a great performance. The first artist I've seen doing this "strrange looping thing" was KT Tunstall... It really triggered me - I remember stopping the video tape and trying to figure out what that little thing on the stage floor was (Akai Headrush). So you can imagine I was very impressed when I noticed looping has such a long tradition ...loopers-delight is a real treasure for me. It started with KT, went on with live performances of Rico Loop and Francois Breut and the last video that impressed me a lot was the one of Phil Keaggy that was posted on this list (waiting for his DVD). ...and now I'm reading the list every day ...buying books, waiting for the RC50 to be available in Germany... waiting for the next impressive video or performance - and can't wait to start doing it myself. ...what am I trying to say? If a looping community exists, Rico should be a part of it. Dirk > > On Jul 24, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > >> I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name like >> this, >> he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful >> looper in >> the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." > > The truly scary part is that Boss thinks this clown is going to help > sell their product. I couldn't stop laughing. Poor guy...he seems to > take his "art" so seriously, too. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 21:51:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 568D73BEE6; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C540C1.4090305@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:50:57 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computer-tech question (time-sensitive) References: <072420062032.11079.44C52E69000B034D00002B472205886442CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <44C532D1.8000308@andrew-duke.com> In-Reply-To: <44C532D1.8000308@andrew-duke.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Andrew, I assume you've tried this, but definitely uninstall and re-install both programs. Perhaps first just AA2, and see if that works ok, then Netscape and see if it still crashes. If Netscape is still the killer, just use AA2 and get your incoming mail (on IE) through a web-based system. If your ISP doesn't provide it, you can use www.mail2web.com, just enter your address and password and you'll get your mail. hth- Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Anyone computer-tech-minded who can help me with this problem? > > My laptop died ("power issue"; currently in the shop) Saturday midway > through > a recording session, so I bought a desktop to use to make the 3 sound > design and > 1 music software review deadlines I have in the next week--yes, when > it rains, it pours! :(. > > On Saturday, I installed a few programs I absolutely need, including > Adobe Audition 2. > I was playing an audio file in AA2 and opened up Netscape 7.2 (don't > use any later > edition because they don't have mail features) and the computer > instantly crashed and > rebooted. This happened every time I opened Netscape while playing a > file in AA2, > but it would not happen if a) I opened AA2 while Netscape was already > open or > b) opened Netscape while AA2 was open but *not* playing an audio file. > > Needing to focus on deadlines, I simply figured "must be a driver > conflict, so don't do > the above". So Sunday this workaround worked fine. > > Today, though, is a different matter. Today, AA2 will crash and > reboot the computer > immediately upon opening AA2. And this happens when no other program > is open. > So no matter what I do I can't open AA2 today, though yesterday I > could (see above). > It has happened consistently today and I *really* need to finish some > editing for deadline > #1 of 4 asap. > > So... does anyone have any ideas how I could fix this problem? > Crapcleaner doesn't detect any issues. Adobe tech support have been a > waste of my time > in the past. Programs that run on start-up (and computer specs) can > be viewed in this > screenshot: http://andrew-duke.com/AndrewDuke_desktopspecsandstartup.bmp > > All help appreciated. > Thanks. > Andrew > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 22:26:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CDD53BEF3; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UCc/5LsxA4b+63+fCcwEZ1e6JCo5NOZdMCQ1uwJetC+ad/52T/cWErfqJgVa5dlNmjBqIjBFhUDcOUW9WrC0aTLKzNVc1Hbuff9esjptGiWevu4gQBcXwix0y4glLhQiqADjyhfEHmqMComslTESoEAu6893JkDqrs4WfMHPdmk= ; Message-ID: <20060724222614.21991.qmail@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:26:14 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <660400595.1153768053507.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > If possible , I'd like to find a compromise between > the hardware and software worlds. > Which is: Keep SOME of my familiar analogue rack > stuff and INTEGRATE a Mac laptop > (also familiar to me) with miscellaneous, flexible > looping and transmogrifying software > plug-ins into what I do/have already. That's exactly what I'm trying to do with my stuff. I've got a nice collection of bits and pieces, and I don't really want to chuck them over. But I want to use a looper that's more flexible than my trusty JamMan without spending a fortune. So what I'm using is an ancient 266MHz Wallstreet Powerbook running Jaguar, with Rax and multiple instances of Augustus Loop. It just about hangs in for looping and it cost me next to nothing. It won't do much more than just looping (a little bit of compression & a graphic eq, and that's it) but I'm not asking it to either. I have a much faster XP laptop, but the built in audio on that is pretty crappy, whereas the Wallstreet just worked straight off the bat (did I mention I was doing this on the cheap ? wot soundcard ??? ;) Still looking at el cheapo ways to control it without having to take my hands off the guitar, mind you ... I'm not sure what Wallstreets go for on eBay in the States, but it can't be much, and Rax and Augustus Loop are cheap as chips, so it could be a low commitment way of dipping your toe in the water... - Tony ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 22:29:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 682DC3BEDE; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mDDt48YiR63u5M+w4mEUJdWcJEepSWyFzWNEPBKbDdS95GQREvAr8Df89M4c90y6Wanm6LxiuPA9FsIRXdtpu96d35AOSPQaSTYTdoT5/PFWjqcPbPGvTSxNLq6zJEOXWNF3Cc3njO7c1Zu1IlePYxUaL0qJW+W4/KGyh1mwsV0= ; Message-ID: <20060724222944.55900.qmail@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dumeril Seven Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060724190735.C11203BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:29:47 +0000 (UTC) > At some point in time, I thought to myself I am in the wrong business, > because if I had my own video equipment, editing software, and development > tools, I could have done the product myelf for my own company. If I had a > steady stream of business, I could easily produce a module like this each > month...that's an averaged time, including time with the client, etc - it > took three months to develop this $40K module, but not continuous time. > That's roughly $480,000 USD a year. Once you get the tools and processes for > development standarized, the rest is just consulting time with the customer. Oh, if only it were that easy. There's also the scope creep, endless revisions, customers who can't nail down on requirements or key messages, myriad design-by-committee free for alls, unpaid invoices, customers who go out of business before you're paid, getting on the "approved vendors list", and all the other crap that goes along with being business services vendor. And that's just the project; then there's the matter of drumming up new business and keeping the pipeline full... BTW, I thought the guy did his job pretty well, other than showing that he was woefully ignorant of competitive products. It was NAMM show; he wasn't there to educate, he was there to promote and move some units. From what I know about the MI business, I would guess he probably did that okay. D7 Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from my e-mail address if you want to use it.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 22:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F3853BEFB; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ab001c6af72$de8c3160$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060724222944.55900.qmail@web38909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:45:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:45:36 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dumeril Seven" >> Oh, if only it were that easy. There's also the scope creep, endless > revisions, customers who can't nail down on requirements or key messages, > myriad design-by-committee free for alls, unpaid invoices, customers who > go out of business before you're paid, getting on the "approved vendors > list", and all > the other crap that goes along with being business services vendor. And > that's > just the project; then there's the matter of drumming up new business and > keeping the pipeline full... Oh how I know this...as I'm one of those customers! Though I hired a consultant three years ago to work for me, making triple figures a year, and he's still working for us (different manager, since I've moved to a different area). The work is there if you have the network and connections. > > BTW, I thought the guy did his job pretty well, other than showing that he > was > woefully ignorant of competitive products. It was NAMM show; he wasn't > there to educate, he was there to promote and move some units. From what > I know about the MI business, I would guess he probably did that okay. > > D7 I agree. He was intertaining. K- > > Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com > Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from > my e-mail address if you want to use it.... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 23:20:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2DDC3BEF0; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007b01c6af77$b0a32a10$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: Subject: The MOST POWERFUL LOOPER IN THE WORLD! (And Stereo too!) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:20:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C6AF56.295AC2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <5j5C1C.A.kmF.hWVxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:20:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C6AF56.295AC2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's the RC-50! Hehehe Rick Loop wasn't that bad, I think anyway.=20 Too bad I just sold my mike. I might have been inspired to include some = John Frum Cult fertility chants into my repetoire. P ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C6AF56.295AC2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    It's the RC-50! Hehehe
     
    Rick Loop wasn't that bad, I think = anyway.=20
     
    Too bad I just sold my mike. I might = have been=20 inspired to include some John Frum Cult fertility chants into my=20 repetoire.
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C6AF56.295AC2A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 24 23:33:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58DE93BEF3; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sdxMs0yN+Y5Lp8Ho5vRYr/gblE6kXk+hpEzYSj2eT/63NyLH018y0Yu1ocBhb7+FthqAUJbd8Qbp9c2QLkcklz4gElkC4xCWqfQYcc2ru+t45qWR1fDKhGC/A5V0bqLgn0/Y/9T1Bjru63KOaMoLgoeBcMsy3HFLVSryFqS+9HQ= ; Message-ID: <20060724233303.66465.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <660400595.1153768053507.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:33:06 +0000 (UTC) --- tEd ďż˝ kiLLiAn wrote: > If possible , I'd like to find a compromise between > the hardware and software worlds. I'm kind of going that... except the rack is the thing going. BYE BYE. I'm keeping my guitar effects (vox tonelab se) and extra looper (Giga Delay) on the floor, and using a synth (Micron) as a MIDI controller. As stable as my laptop's been so far, the good thing about this is that with the looper in the Tonelab plus the Giga Delay and Micron I could do quite a bit of show if the laptop was to die on me. I know I've been diss'n it but the Giga Delay may become a RC-50. In terms of a "net" it may serve me better, but that's depending on how often I start playing out again... or if I do at all. I don't know Max/MSP at all, but I can tell you that the cool thing I like about Reaktor is that for $300 if you treat it like a bunch of cool softsynths/beatboxes/effects and never ever program a single damn thing yourself you'd for sure have your money's worth. In terms of reading manuals... I really have read little so far. Most things seem fairly intuitive that I've encountered.... really the only manual I've been reading is the EDP manual! That's to learn Mobius. The softsynths I've been playing with seem very easy to get... but I've worked in music stores which took in used gear with no manuals so I'm pretty good with the old "see what it does" routine. Trust me, if you can use Photoshop or Flash well you can learn anything. Come on in Ted, the water's great! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 01:03:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1F3A3BEE8; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C56DD2.6020500@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:03:14 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Training video for TC-Helicon VoiceLive--no looping content (was RC-50 video on summer NAMM) References: <20060724192931.GRMD27857.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20060724192931.GRMD27857.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hi all-- > I took the plunge and bought the TC-Helicon VoiceLive--and I recommend it > for harmonization of vocals, haven't tried it on an instrument--I think I > will try playing some harp into my vocal mike at the gig today (Wild Animal > Park in Escondido--forecast, 100 degrees plus and raining!). > But it came with a CD containing some video tutorials, a .pdf of the manual, > and an audio step-by-step demo of a song being "treated". > It would be great if every product came with this sort of info--maybe TC > Helicon is better than most companies. > BTW, Rico's demo was great--reminds me of Rick Walker's animated > presentation. I still ain't buying an RC-50 tho. > Gary Gary: I bought a VoiceWorks last month--I think it's a pedal-less VoiceLive--and I've been using it with a soprano sax and EWI, mostly as a four-voice pitch-shifter. Used that way, it's kind of Hassel-in-a-box, and pretty entertaining. I did have to adjust the "gender" parameter; a soprano sax running through a soprano vocal preset probably qualifies as a crime against humanity. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 02:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B11C3BEEC; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ia9k2S+6Y0GwBtULON4bg3setvWdyOMOJZTv0gdhuockLW5OsBAxDaNWSjHw4sOI4/mSSsWul9f44mcnmHj659hqCIyUT0R7Lg8DwIyN8adbbP44+RN6wxjxgm8rdLk3BFiDoE8XSb9OaU5qxWd+pkS4wiyU7JQQJvgVzMpWr+c= ; Message-ID: <20060725022704.20619.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060724122954.324400@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:27:06 +0000 (UTC) This is what can happen when you put too much sugar in your coffee But certainly a better demo tham Paul wankers! --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi > > <>>RC-50 video on summer NAMM > > Do you like tap dancing ;-) > > > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3266 > Glad to see that they have a Boss live looping demo > not by a guitar player for a change. ;-) > > On the week-end, I bought extra footswitches for my > RC-50. My leg started hurting yesterday.. The RC-50 > does require quite a lot of tap dancing... > Then again, I wonder why this guy Rico is just using > one foot for all these pedals while sitting. Two > feet are more efficient with the RC-50. > > btw: I wonder why he doesn't demonstrate the tempo > feature.... ;-))) > > Buzap > -- > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch > kurze Zeit! > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 02:45:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8ED03BEFB; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b1001c6af94$612a98c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060725022704.20619.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:45:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Heh heh...no doubt about it. The guy is a born marketer. In fact, I find that a lot of musicians have the skills and persona necessary to be in product marketing, or sales, especially the good looking ones (you have to be good looking to be in marketing). There is a charisma and quirkiness about some musicians that makes them adept at this. First of all, a good music marketing person needs to have a "sliver tongue" and be able to believe in his own bullshit to such an extent that the customer can't possibly not buy into the value proposition of their product. Second, they need to be able to play their instrument. Rico Looper, or whatever ridiculous title he has self-appointed himself, seems to have both of these skillsets. That competency set is worth about $70+K a year for a fortune 500 company in the US.....that's a lot of boxes of Snack Romin and Macaroni and Cheese, man. :) He could be talking to customers and designing products rather than being Boss' errand boy of promotion. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > This is what can happen when you put too much sugar in > your coffee > But certainly a better demo tham Paul wankers! > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Hi >> >> <>>RC-50 video on summer NAMM >> > Do you like tap dancing ;-) >> > >> > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3266 >> Glad to see that they have a Boss live looping demo >> not by a guitar player for a change. ;-) >> >> On the week-end, I bought extra footswitches for my >> RC-50. My leg started hurting yesterday.. The RC-50 >> does require quite a lot of tap dancing... >> Then again, I wonder why this guy Rico is just using >> one foot for all these pedals while sitting. Two >> feet are more efficient with the RC-50. >> >> btw: I wonder why he doesn't demonstrate the tempo >> feature.... ;-))) >> >> Buzap >> -- >> >> >> Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch >> kurze Zeit! >> "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: >> http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 03:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 240DB3BEF0; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: DL-4 exp pedal mod? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:01:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01d301c6af96$a631baf0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcavlqW6U44exDg5Sq+8zm6v74CFig== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:01:45 +0000 (UTC) OK, after using the flimsy EX1 exp pedal for over a year, it is creaking loudly when I step on it- I don't think it was ever intended to be used outside of the house. I know it uses a 10k pot for controlling a DL-4, but I want a more robust pedal. I have an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a 250k pot, but obviously it is too large a value for the DL-4. Erine's pedals do not allow the switching of the custom pots, and this thing has just been sitting here for over a year. Has anyone ever taken a DL-4 apart and looked at what regulates the pot size for the exp pedal? Is there any mods to the DL4 (it is way past warranty) that will allow it to work with a standard 250k volume pedal? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 03:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5EAF3BEEE; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird") Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:46:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B37_01C6AF6A.9E53BD00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <772RN.A.mq.ZQZxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:46:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B37_01C6AF6A.9E53BD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...I hope some of you find this service somewhat useful. At least I'm = getting to know my own effects intimately. This is for all you Eventide fans. David Coffin turned me on to Reaktor = 5 last month...I bought it after selling my Mesa Boogie Mark I, and I've = been toying around with it as a VST program in Chainer. Since then I = think I'm on my way to being the Reakor 5 poster child. I can't even = tell you in words the impression this program is making on me, and this = is coming from an owner of over 400 VST effects, two VF1s, a TC = Electronic Fireworx, Ensoniq DP4, DigiTech TSR24, and many other effect = units in my past gear acquisition life.=20 I asked David, being an Eventide owner (current or prior), if there were = any Reaktor ensembles (literally hundreds and hundreds of free items = from other Reaktor users, and sort of like effect units unto themselves, = with multiple presets or "snaps) that got close to creating those lush = and ethereal pad-like effects on an Eventide, and his response was = "Blackbird." David, what user developed this? Paul Swennenhuis? He = should be crowned and awarded retirement for life. :) In any event, I = just created a sample sound clip of this ensemble below. Enjoy. I'm in = love with Reaktor 5. This was the best effect processing investment I've = made in my entire life. VST Program: Reaktor 5 Featured Ensemble (effect): Blackbird (Free, developed by user) URL: http://www.box.net/public/uu0zix3eh8 Cost: $399 USD Brief Description REAKTOR 5 fuses all audio applications into a single, extremely = versatile and powerful tool. Musicians, producers and sound designers = are all catered to by the very broad range of instruments and sounds = already included. Due to the open engine architecture, the potential for = building your own highly individual instruments is endless. Whether you = are using the instruments from the library or creating your own, the = only limit is your imagination.=20 Sound clip of presets (Snaps): http://www.box.net/public/m1epm4jums Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_0B37_01C6AF6A.9E53BD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    ...I hope some of you find this service = somewhat=20 useful. At least I'm getting to know my own effects = intimately.
     
    This is for all you Eventide fans. = David Coffin=20 turned me on to Reaktor 5 last month...I bought it after selling my Mesa = Boogie=20 Mark I, and I've been toying around with it as a VST program in=20 Chainer. Since then I think I'm on my way to being the Reakor 5 = poster=20 child. I can't even tell you in words the impression this program is = making on=20 me, and this is coming from an owner of over 400 VST effects, two VF1s, = a TC=20 Electronic Fireworx, Ensoniq DP4, DigiTech TSR24, and many other effect = units in=20 my past gear acquisition life.
     
    I asked David, being an Eventide owner = (current or=20 prior), if there were any Reaktor ensembles (literally hundreds and = hundreds of=20 free items from other Reaktor users, and sort of like effect units unto=20 themselves, with multiple presets or "snaps) that got close to creating = those=20 lush and ethereal pad-like effects on an Eventide, and his response was=20 "Blackbird."  David, what user developed this? Paul Swennenhuis? He = should be=20 crowned and awarded retirement for life. :) In any event, I just created = a=20 sample sound clip of this ensemble below. Enjoy.  I'm in love with = Reaktor=20 5. This was the best effect processing investment I've made in my entire = life.
     
    VST Program: Reaktor=20 5
    Featured Ensemble (effect): Blackbird (Free, = developed by=20 user)
    URL: http://www.box.net/public/u= u0zix3eh8
    Cost: $399 = USD
     
    Brief=20 Description

    REAKTOR 5 fuses all audio applications into a = single,=20 extremely versatile and powerful tool. Musicians, producers and sound = designers=20 are all catered to by the very broad range of instruments and sounds = already=20 included. Due to the open engine architecture, the potential for = building your=20 own highly individual instruments is endless. Whether you are using the=20 instruments from the library or creating your own, the only limit is = your=20 imagination.
    Sound clip of presets = (Snaps):=20 http://www.box.net/public/m= 1epm4jums
     
    Cheers,
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Looping Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_0B37_01C6AF6A.9E53BD00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 04:19:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C75AE3BEEE; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m7d8pKJmhscvJ6UcOV4IiN495UsHHK6Z+urIxkRI4tyXhe3emUjY7TgFYwaTfIsSlPDkCJ0DjE5oKui83V1f3h9DyiQEKjax5hHUsdVa7rl71RiDvjE4B11KjH2hkEmO5QG9pnueo5Nu6QZonHVabA2IxoB9rOagmGH9G1bW8RI= ; Message-ID: <20060725041934.85538.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: anybody selling a Behringer fcb1010 in Germany? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:19:36 +0000 (UTC) if u do contact me off list. thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 06:27:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23823BEEC; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,177,1151899200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="632974491:sNHT25699714" In-Reply-To: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--591993591 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird") Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:27:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:27:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--591993591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yup; and I agree. He also authored Reaktor=92s sorta-Vortex: Amor, plus =20= a bunch of cool synths and automatic-music machines. Haven=92t seen =20 much from him lately; he might have moved on after leaving the =20 Reaktor library forever in his debt...like many others before and =20 since. It IS an amazing community: new, free, mind-blowing devices =20 weekly, once you join up:) Only potential downside is option-overload. dc On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > David, what user developed this? Paul Swennenhuis? He should be =20 > crowned and awarded retirement for life. :) --Apple-Mail-1--591993591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Yup; and I agree. He also = authored Reaktor=92s sorta-Vortex: Amor, plus a bunch of cool synths and = automatic-music machines. Haven=92t seen much from him lately; he might = have moved on after leaving the Reaktor library forever in his = debt...like many others before and since. It IS an amazing community: = new, free, mind-blowing devices weekly, once you join up:) Only = potential downside is option-overload.
    dc

    On = Jul 24, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    David, what user developed this? Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:27:21 +0000 (UTC) hi Andrew, It's not possible to give an accurate diagnosis with just this info (and my limited knowledge) >Today, though, is a different matter. Today, AA2 will crash and >reboot the computer >immediately upon opening AA2. And this happens when no other program is open. >So no matter what I do I can't open AA2 today, though yesterday I >could (see above). >It has happened consistently today and I *really* need to finish >some editing for deadline >#1 of 4 asap. > >So... does anyone have any ideas how I could fix this problem? >Crapcleaner doesn't detect any issues. Adobe tech support have been >a waste of my time >in the past. If you want to check out those start -up programs just google the filenames. your using XP right? ( always give the OS when asking the sort of question ) at first I thought it's a hardware problem, perhaps faulty memory. ....but haven't come across this before. ....so I could be 100% wrong on this the reasoning is 1) XP is resilient to having an application crash, the worst case I've seen is that the app just "disappears". 2) The problem happens when you're using a lot of memory, AA is a big program since Adobe got their hands on it. Then I thought what if it's a virus? For it to behave as it does, it would have to infect AA2 or something called by AA2 on startup, or re-direct the AA2 shortcut to somewhere else ( so you wouldn't see the AA2 splash screen) . Definitely use a virus check as first resort, if you didn't already. If it's not a hardware fault, then Formatting the Hard Drive should sort you out. (I know it takes a while to reinstall everything, but at least you can be confident it works, and while it takes a long time, at least it takes a known finite time which is better than endless troubleshooting) You'll need to phone Microsoft to re-register XP though ;-( good luck andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 08:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F38793BEE7; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:21:19 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <44C53BB4.4080108@rhein-zeitung.de> Message-ID: <20060725082119.61510@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> <44C53BB4.4080108@rhein-zeitung.de> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8JzqqB.A.KpB.BSdxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Dirk > waiting for the RC50 to be available in Germany... the RC-50 _is_ available in Germany already. While you may not be able to find it in the music shop next door yet. Units have been already shipped from Rotterdam to shops in Germany. If your local shop can't get it, try some of the large online shops in Germany for order Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 08:28:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359423BEFB; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:28:56 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20060725082856.61530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi Krispen > http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this sells as a system, wired, > and ready to go inside the rack) The Boss VF-1 unit seems really interesting. It doesn't seem to be on sale anywhere and does not even show up in ebay. I wonder why? Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 09:59:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A4A53BEEE; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lQwt55opQTkfvnrzKrrenM7DMpnqG9aILqGdCGNAcXQmbJM1kDflM8tOXt7JO8oHJFrEdk5RH5EbHazVccZcZxUJ9nKCRrWLqas7xQtVRkV4tLDbx2fmY5rmev8yaQOj5BT5OVzDJNKt9QPIxIVZEo36jVteVgTpMWTbjT5BYQ0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060724222614.21991.qmail@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060724222614.21991.qmail@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9EB37350-485B-44B2-BA52-3409C4CC3C4E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Mac, Rax, Augustus Loop (was: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:59:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:59:17 +0000 (UTC) > --- tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > >> If possible , I'd like to find a compromise between >> the hardware and software worlds. >> Which is: Keep SOME of my familiar analogue rack >> stuff and INTEGRATE a Mac laptop >> (also familiar to me) with miscellaneous, flexible >> looping and transmogrifying software >> plug-ins into what I do/have already. On 25 jul 2006, at 00.26, Tony Douglas wrote: > So what I'm using is an ancient 266MHz Wallstreet > Powerbook running Jaguar, with Rax and multiple > instances of Augustus Loop. Rax and Augutstus Loop seems to be a good combo for "multi track" =20 stereo looping. If you like to loop EDP-style, by setting the tempo =20 by the first loop you record, you can use one Augustus Looper as the =20 master to define the tempo for all other Agustus Loopers. In this =20 context you may set Rax to "external sync", so any plug-ins you open =20 will run in the same tempo as you are playing in. You can also type =20 in the tempo in Rax and adapt your playing to that. I can't find any =20 Tap Tempo function in Rax. If you want to be a little more advanced you can use the combo =20 Ableton Live and Augustus Loop. This has always been very stable for =20 me on my Powerbook and thanks to Live's routing option - for MIDI, =20 Audio and direct control data - it gives a small taste of "Max =20 Land" (Cycling74's Max). I have a G4 Powerbook of 1.25 MHz with 2 GB ram. This machine may =20 typically handle three parallel stereo looping channels plus some =20 reverb and other effect plug-ins. I wouldn't dare to bog it down more =20= than that. But it's ok with me, I don't think I would be able to =20 handle more than three simultaneous looping processes anyway. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 10:00:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5363BEF9; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: free CD Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:59:55 +0200 Message-ID: <004b01c6afd1$15291f40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acav0RSJMRDHX32WQkiNFDBmWSmNNA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC) today's recommendation: Peter Chilvers is one of the Burning Shed label founders. He has released a number of solo albums and collaborations (with Marble Calm, Henry Fool, Alias Grace, Tim Bowness) on this burn-on-demand label. Peter's music is quiet, often ambient, and very beautiful. Check it out on the burningshed music player at http://www.burningshed.com/media/player.asp. Peter's website contains a complete free album for download (http://peterchilvers.com/free.php), complete with cover art - he asks everyone who downloads and likes the music to make at least two copies for friends. Nice idea Peter! instead of burning and giving away copies, I thought I'd post this here so everyone can go there and check it out. Please leave a comment on Peter's guestbook http://www.burningshed.com/chilvers. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 12:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C46D3BEFA; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:17:01 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060725121701.21280@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Guitar FX Pedal for Voice/Winds/Percussion? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'm thinking of getting a portable, versatile effects pedal for multi-purpose. It should be small size and inexpensive, sound should be good but not necessarily high-end. I'm thinking in the 200EUR/USD range. I need multi-fx-chains with EQ, modulation, delay, wah, higain/overdrive. It should have a pedal or optional expression pedal for wah wah pedal/modulation. Nice multi-fx racks seem to be around 500USD, out of question. Guitar effect pedals seem to be the cheapest solution (ca. 150EUR/USD), I like the Zoom G2.1u: http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g21u/ Besides the fact that you'll probably need a preamp for getting the mic in. What are your experiences with this? - Are there problems with running voice, harmonicas, percussion etc. through this? - How is guitar pedal vs. bass-guitar pedal (esp. male voice)? Looking at the Boss VF-1, this actually seems also attractive (has line-ins & stereo): http://www.roland.com/products/en/VF-1/index.html Would a VF-1 be more advisable? Is there a cheap successor to the VF-1? Lot of questions... hope you have some answers :-) Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 12:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02F043BEFF; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ey8yiCp/ofrdxCQKGYUP5lRxCdZw81cqnWXPAeXVhJ/tSxDHi4SvgLpXuO1rG1x/VLXQ0/u4m5YO8QR9i1Ifz4rTURBTtJbUVujNifj6EUOSFLG7MdXM8oIKPlFJdFpea7VYkMHo6kkDKssImzta88wnEwTdsF77FHvIxVrIgq0= ; Message-ID: <20060725121911.61647.qmail@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: OT: Rothko (was: free CD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004b01c6afd1$15291f40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1439418310-1153829951=:58819" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:19:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1439418310-1153829951=:58819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Way off topic: I'd like to speak up on behalf of Rothko's releases on Burning Shed. http://www.burningshed.com/index.asp?page=artist&collection=50 Rothko started out as a trio of electric bassists but has morphed into a variety of players centering around Mark Beazley, one of the original trio of bassists. It's all great stuff! Rothko's page: www.rothkomusic.co.uk ted harms. Michael Peters wrote: today's recommendation: Peter Chilvers is one of the Burning Shed label founders. He has released a number of solo albums and collaborations (with Marble Calm, Henry Fool, Alias Grace, Tim Bowness) on this burn-on-demand label. Peter's music is quiet, often ambient, and very beautiful. Check it out on the burningshed music player at http://www.burningshed.com/media/player.asp. Peter's website contains a complete free album for download (http://peterchilvers.com/free.php), complete with cover art - he asks everyone who downloads and likes the music to make at least two copies for friends. Nice idea Peter! instead of burning and giving away copies, I thought I'd post this here so everyone can go there and check it out. Please leave a comment on Peter's guestbook http://www.burningshed.com/chilvers. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1439418310-1153829951=:58819 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Way off topic:
     
    I'd like to speak up on behalf of Rothko's releases on Burning Shed.
     
     
    Rothko started out as a trio of electric bassists but has morphed into a variety of players centering around Mark Beazley, one of the original trio of bassists.
     
    It's all great stuff!
     
    Rothko's page: www.rothkomusic.co.uk
     
     
    ted harms.

    Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
    today's recommendation:

    Peter Chilvers is one of the Burning Shed label founders. He has released a
    number of solo albums and collaborations (with Marble Calm, Henry Fool,
    Alias Grace, Tim Bowness) on this burn-on-demand label. Peter's music is
    quiet, often ambient, and very beautiful. Check it out on the burningshed
    music player at http://www.burningshed.com/media/player.asp.

    Peter's website contains a complete free album for download
    (http://peterchilvers.com/free.php), complete with cover art - he asks
    everyone who downloads and likes the music to make at least two copies for
    friends. Nice idea Peter! instead of burning and giving away copies, I
    thought I'd post this here so everyone can go there and check it out. Please
    leave a comment on Peter's guestbook http://www.burningshed.com/chilvers.

    -Michael
    www.michaelpeters.de



    See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. --0-1439418310-1153829951=:58819-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 13:18:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33573BEF9; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 334833704 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9484@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DL-4 exp pedal mod? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:18:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFEC.C7A8F31E" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:18:21 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFEC.C7A8F31E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>I have an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a 250k pot, but obviously it is too large a value for the DL-4.....<< have you tried it? the only thing I had to do to an expression pedal to make it work with a DL4 was reverse the tip & ring connections. I didn't even look at the range of the pot itself. I'm pretty sure that all the DL4 is looking for is a voltage; the socket will supply (say, for the sake of argument) 5 volts out of this socket, & expect a proportion of this to be returned to it by way of a control signal. the amount of resistance the pot introduces is insignificant; the part of the DL4 that measures the returned voltage probably has a very high input impedance & so very little current will flow. but I could be wrong..... :-) in any case, so long as the ernie ball pedal is wired correctly, you won't hurt anything. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFEC.C7A8F31E Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DL-4 exp pedal mod?

    >>I have an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a 250k pot= , but obviously it is too large a value for the DL-4.....<<

    have you tried it? the only thing I had to do to an expre= ssion pedal to make it work with a DL4 was reverse the tip & ring conne= ctions. I didn't even look at the range of the pot itself.

    I'm pretty sure that all the DL4 is looking for is a volt= age; the socket will supply (say, for the sake of argument) 5 volts out of = this socket, & expect a proportion of this to be returned to it by way = of a control signal. the amount of resistance the pot introduces is insigni= ficant; the part of the DL4 that measures the returned voltage probably has= a very high input impedance & so very little current will flow.=

    but I could be wrong..... :-)

    in any case, so long as the ernie ball pedal is wired cor= rectly, you won't hurt anything.

    d.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFEC.C7A8F31E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 13:24:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B408B3BF05; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 329886589 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9485@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Guitar FX Pedal for Voice/Winds/Percussion? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:24:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFED.A63C9B1C" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFED.A63C9B1C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>I'm thinking of getting a portable, versatile effects pedal for multi-purpose. It should be small size and inexpensive, sound should be good but not necessarily high-end. I'm thinking in the 200EUR/USD range. I need multi-fx-chains with EQ, modulation, delay, wah, higain/overdrive. It should have a pedal or optional expression pedal for wah wah pedal/modulation.<< I have been very impressed with my alesis bass-fx. it has chained effects of the sorts you are looking for, & an assignable expression pedal input. it also has a tuner, bypass & mute modes, & runs off of four AA batteries or an adaptor. it's only failing- & it hasn't actually let me down in this regard, but I thought I should mention it- is that it's a bit plasticky. there are different models for guitar, vocals &c, with the effects tweaked to suit these different sources.... I reckon they're all the same inside though. my bass one has distortion, amp modelling, delay, reverb, ring-mod, pitch shift, compression.....=20 I'd like it better if it had a flexible effects loop of it's own, but it was only =A350 so one could conceivably use two of them with the other effects patched in between them. 2, as they say, cents. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFED.A63C9B1C Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Guitar FX Pedal for Voice/Winds/Percussion?

    >>I'm thinking of getting a portable, versatile eff= ects pedal for multi-purpose. It should be small size and inexpensive, soun= d should be good but not necessarily high-end. I'm thinking in the 200EUR/U= SD range.

    I need multi-fx-chains with EQ, modulation, delay, wah, h= igain/overdrive. It should have a pedal or optional expression pedal for wa= h wah pedal/modulation.<<

    I have been very impressed with my alesis bass-fx. it has= chained effects of the sorts you are looking for, & an assignable expr= ession pedal input. it also has a tuner, bypass & mute modes, & run= s off of four AA batteries or an adaptor.

    it's only failing- & it hasn't actually let me down i= n this regard, but I thought I should mention it- is that it's a bit plasti= cky.

    there are different models for guitar, vocals &c, wit= h the effects tweaked to suit these different sources.... I reckon they're = all the same inside though. my bass one has distortion, amp modelling, dela= y, reverb, ring-mod, pitch shift, compression.....

    I'd like it better if it had a flexible effects loop of i= t's own, but it was only =A350 so one could conceivably use two of them wit= h the other effects patched in between them.

    2, as they say, cents.

    d.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AFED.A63C9B1C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 14:09:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BD03BF05; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,179,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="243346370:sNHT26301720" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:08:37 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Immersions: Dance, Music and Video Improvisation, 07.28.06 119 Gallery , Lowell MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/300, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090208.44C62363.0043,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Immersions: Dance, Music and Video Improvisation Friday July 28 8pm $5 all ages 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford Street, Lowell. Claire Barratt (dance) Dean Stiglitz (electro flute) Ramona (hammer dulcimer) Bob McCloskey (reeds and percussion) Doctor T (images and video mixing) Helena Schniewind (live video) Claire Elizabeth Barratt has a Dance and Musical Theater background, with training received in her native country of Britain at the London Studio Center of Performing Arts and the Laban Center for Movement and Dance. She spent ten years in the southern states of Tennessee and North Carolina, where she held the position of Co -Director for "Circle Modern Dance" as well as choreographing for Opera, Musical Theater, Music Video, Commercials and collaborating with Multi-Media, Film, Visual, Music and Literary Artists. Now based in New York, she runs "Cilla Vee Movement Projects", a multi-disciplinary performing arts company, performing in the US, Canada, Europe and Japan. Two principal company projects are "Motion Sculpture" and the "Sound Of Movement". She served a one-year apprenticeship with Lori Belilove & Company of the Isadora Duncan Dance Foundation and is performance curator for Haven Gallery and an adjunct faculty member of DanceSpace 637 in Ottawa, Ontario. Claire has been featured in Art Basel Miami, the Washington DC International Improv Festival, the Transmodern Age and High Zero Festivals in Baltimore, MD and the Dans/CE Kapital Festival in Ottawa. Recent activities include a month in France, working with musicians in the Paris improv scene and the US West Coast "Sound Of Movement" tour, performing improvised collaborations with musicians from Seattle to San Diego. "My work as a movement artist blurs boundaries and crosses categories. Re-defining the traditional concepts of a "piece", challenging the conventions of choreography, performance, time, space and audience relationships". Doctor T (Emile S Tobenfeld)'s artistic sensibility is strongly influenced by his education (Ph.D in Physics), and his fascination with improvisation in all forms. His sonic and visual experiments apply a scientist's and photographer's eye for texture, geometry, form, and the interaction of light and surface, a strong sense of collage, and an abiding curiosity about technology's use in creating music and visual art. He performs frequently as a 'VJ' doing improvisational live mixing and processing of source materials that he creates from still images, video and computer graphics. He first performed visual improvisations with live music in 1973. His most recent performances were at the Electro-Music 2006 festival in Philadelphia, where he performed with about a dozen different musical ensembles. He performs regularly with an ensemble called "Immersions", an ensemble with rotating personnel, anchored by Doctor T and Dean Stiglitz on Electro Flute. His most recent releases are two DVD-R's, The Space Broom Experiment, recorded live with The Lothars in Nov, 2005, and Immersions 2005, culled from three live performances from 2005. Previous releases include Eyewash, May 11, 2005), recorded live in New York with Dean Stiglitz and dancer Claire Barratt, Video Mandalas (A DVD_R reissue of a 1996 studio video based on symmetry, and a CD-R (Data from Recent Experiments), recorded live in the studio primarily in 2001 and 2002. Doctor T is best known for the innovative sequencing software he wrote for Dr. T's Music Software (one of the first music software companies. His current 'day job' is writing video effects software for Boris Fx, much of which he uses in his own video work. Contact: Walter Wright 978 452 8138 info@119gallery.org _______________________________________________ 119-news mailing list 119-news@server.indyramp.net http://server.indyramp.net/mailman/listinfo/119-news -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 14:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD4E33BF08; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bc901c6aff4$6a50f790$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird") Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:12:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BC6_01C6AFC2.1EB8C6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:12:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BC6_01C6AFC2.1EB8C6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just exchanged some email with Paul...nice guy. He was surprised that = I could use Blackbird in Reaktor 5, but I told him you converted it for = me. I'm trying to urge him to write more ensemble like that, focusing on = emulating high end units like Eventides, Lexicon, TC Electronic, = etc...now I believe it is entirely probable that this can be done. It's = all in the building blocks of effect processors...most seem to share the = same type and build on them, regardless of whether they are hardware or = software. The Vortex is a good example (and I'm sure Andy will chime in = here, and maybe Ted since that is his favorite box), because=20 btw, what is the Vortex-like ensemble? I think you sent it to me, but I = may have had problem loading it too.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - = "Blackbird") Yup; and I agree. He also authored Reaktor=92s sorta-Vortex: Amor, = plus a bunch of cool synths and automatic-music machines. Haven=92t seen = much from him lately; he might have moved on after leaving the Reaktor = library forever in his debt...like many others before and since. It IS = an amazing community: new, free, mind-blowing devices weekly, once you = join up:) Only potential downside is option-overload. dc On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: David, what user developed this? Paul Swennenhuis? He should be = crowned and awarded retirement for life. :) ------=_NextPart_000_0BC6_01C6AFC2.1EB8C6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I just exchanged some email with = Paul...nice guy.=20 He was surprised that I could use Blackbird in Reaktor 5, but I told him = you=20 converted it for me. I'm trying to urge him to write more ensemble like = that,=20 focusing on emulating high end units like Eventides, Lexicon, TC = Electronic,=20 etc...now I believe it is entirely probable that this can be done. It's = all in=20 the building blocks of effect processors...most seem to share the same = type and=20 build on them, regardless of whether they are hardware or = software.  The=20 Vortex is a good example (and I'm sure Andy will chime in here, and = maybe Ted=20 since that is his favorite box), because
     
    btw, what is the Vortex-like ensemble? = I think you=20 sent it to me, but I may have had problem loading it too.
     
    Kris
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 David=20 Coffin
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 = 12:27=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST = Program=20 Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird")

    Yup; and I agree. He also authored Reaktor=92s = sorta-Vortex:=20 Amor, plus a bunch of cool synths and automatic-music machines. = Haven=92t seen=20 much from him lately; he might have moved on after leaving the Reaktor = library=20 forever in his debt...like many others before and since. It IS an = amazing=20 community: new, free, mind-blowing devices weekly, once you join up:) = Only=20 potential downside is option-overload.
    dc

    On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
    David, what user = developed this?=20 Paul=20 Swennenhuis? He should=20 be crowned and awarded retirement for life.=20 = :)

    <= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0BC6_01C6AFC2.1EB8C6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 14:25:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62A2B3BF05; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0be801c6aff6$2d718db0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060725082856.61530@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:25:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:25:32 +0000 (UTC) From: "Buzap Buzap" > The Boss VF-1 unit seems really interesting. It doesn't seem to be on sale > anywhere and does not even show up in ebay. > > I wonder why? > > Buzap That's because everyone is hording them! :) Look at me...I have two. I suppose this will drive the price up a bit. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 15:32:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F7C3BEF9; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lQFG/3RkQJ+K35/7lJcjjVxpMlyhkAlJFoaLzn0EIb5Y+S8TNYVbQws3EcG+69G00gj2Ep0AM1Dt3TLxmzL/WdFUkGlJioLJrscOYCc5xBvUu4RhIyHuUfPto5FlY+o+2RXiTUvrGCupdjZAdKRpg2j00hwqEXCweIADsWIQMMU= Message-ID: <913728d60607250832m559beebm2f936cdd9c58106b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:32:36 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar FX Pedal for Voice/Winds/Percussion? In-Reply-To: <20060725121701.21280@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060725121701.21280@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:32:40 +0000 (UTC) On 7/25/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Would a VF-1 be more advisable? Is there a cheap successor to the VF-1? there isn't a successor the the VF1, but there are the earlier models, the SE-50 and SE-70 which are very similar boxes... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 15:36:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C2CA3BF00; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wYTvU1EBCR58vix8GiIIVrDkbfa+eKhjRoutlYuVSc1QNe/padJywGyOewTevY/uu468gAuLuRrHuET1AYCMpAmzpHTkgREGcxT4M7ZD+egYOhgLU6HrukrGbJ4a8AWh127r4KP6qLYuGyA1IKLIu4E178sUY4JjA5UhylTq240= ; Message-ID: <20060725153606.89596.qmail@web38915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dumeril Seven Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060725121913.DF7F43BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:36:07 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM > > Heh heh...no doubt about it. The guy is a born marketer. In fact, I find > that a lot of musicians have the skills and persona necessary to be in > product marketing, or sales, especially the good looking ones (you have to > be good looking to be in marketing). There is a charisma and quirkiness > about some musicians that makes them adept at this. First of all, a good > music marketing person needs to have a "sliver tongue" and be able to > believe in his own bullshit to such an extent that the customer can't > possibly not buy into the value proposition of their product. Second, they > need to be able to play their instrument. Rico Looper, or whatever > ridiculous title he has self-appointed himself, seems to have both of these > skillsets. That competency set is worth about $70+K a year for a fortune > 500 company in the US.....that's a lot of boxes of Snack Romin and Macaroni > and Cheese, man. :) He could be talking to customers and designing products > rather than being Boss' errand boy of promotion. > > K- Hey, I represent that remark! As a product marketing guy, I agree with everything you said. Except that I'm not particularly good looking; well, my wife thinks I am, but she's biased. BTW, I think I work for your company. HP, right? I do "solution marketing", which is just a another variant on PM for the OpenView identity management products. D7 Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from my e-mail address if you want to use it.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 15:54:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 948E73BF06; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <13089713.1153842746813.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 8:52:26 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Cc: Dumeril Seven MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-xwxgB.A.swH.26jxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:54:30 +0000 (UTC) BOTH of you guys better quit wasting the company's money. I'm an HP stockholder! :) -- Paul Richards ---- Dumeril Seven wrote: > > > From: "Krispen Hartung" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM > > > > Heh heh...no doubt about it. The guy is a born marketer. In fact, I find > > that a lot of musicians have the skills and persona necessary to be in > > product marketing, or sales, especially the good looking ones (you have to > > be good looking to be in marketing). There is a charisma and quirkiness > > about some musicians that makes them adept at this. First of all, a good > > music marketing person needs to have a "sliver tongue" and be able to > > believe in his own bullshit to such an extent that the customer can't > > possibly not buy into the value proposition of their product. Second, they > > need to be able to play their instrument. Rico Looper, or whatever > > ridiculous title he has self-appointed himself, seems to have both of these > > skillsets. That competency set is worth about $70+K a year for a fortune > > 500 company in the US.....that's a lot of boxes of Snack Romin and Macaroni > > and Cheese, man. :) He could be talking to customers and designing products > > rather than being Boss' errand boy of promotion. > > > > K- > > Hey, I represent that remark! As a product marketing guy, I agree with > everything you said. Except that I'm not particularly good looking; well, my > wife thinks I am, but she's biased. BTW, I think I work for your company. HP, > right? I do "solution marketing", which is just a another variant on PM for > the OpenView identity management products. > > D7 > > Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com > Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from > my e-mail address if you want to use it.... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 15:59:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C3D63BF17; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c9901c6b003$55a205f0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <13089713.1153842746813.JavaMail.root@web26> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:59:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Hey, we are multi-tasking... heh heh... K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" To: Cc: "Dumeril Seven" Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM > BOTH of you guys better quit wasting the company's money. I'm an HP > stockholder! :) > -- > Paul Richards > > ---- Dumeril Seven wrote: >> >> > From: "Krispen Hartung" >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM >> > >> > Heh heh...no doubt about it. The guy is a born marketer. In fact, I >> > find >> > that a lot of musicians have the skills and persona necessary to be in >> > product marketing, or sales, especially the good looking ones (you have >> > to >> > be good looking to be in marketing). There is a charisma and quirkiness >> > about some musicians that makes them adept at this. First of all, a >> > good >> > music marketing person needs to have a "sliver tongue" and be able to >> > believe in his own bullshit to such an extent that the customer can't >> > possibly not buy into the value proposition of their product. Second, >> > they >> > need to be able to play their instrument. Rico Looper, or whatever >> > ridiculous title he has self-appointed himself, seems to have both of >> > these >> > skillsets. That competency set is worth about $70+K a year for a >> > fortune >> > 500 company in the US.....that's a lot of boxes of Snack Romin and >> > Macaroni >> > and Cheese, man. :) He could be talking to customers and designing >> > products >> > rather than being Boss' errand boy of promotion. >> > >> > K- >> >> Hey, I represent that remark! As a product marketing guy, I agree with >> everything you said. Except that I'm not particularly good looking; >> well, my >> wife thinks I am, but she's biased. BTW, I think I work for your >> company. HP, >> right? I do "solution marketing", which is just a another variant on PM >> for >> the OpenView identity management products. >> >> D7 >> >> Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com >> Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from >> my e-mail address if you want to use it.... >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 16:05:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B559C3BF1D; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C64145.8040607@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:05:25 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anybody using the Mackie Onyx Satellite? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-1, 07/24/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:05:32 +0000 (UTC) http://www.mackie.com/products/satellite/index.html Just wondering if anybody's using this, and if so, what your thoughts are on it? Particularly, I'm interested to hear how the multiple outputs work for you. --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 16:08:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BD373BF11; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 329957510 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9489@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Rothko Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:08:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6B004.97CA4A54" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:08:42 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B004.97CA4A54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >> Rothko started out as a trio of electric bassists but has morphed into a variety of players centering around Mark Beazley, one of the original trio of bassists. << I've known the rothko lads since late 1997.... I went along to the "upstairs at the garage" venue in north london (to see broadcast, though rothko deny ever having supported them, which is odd) & got there just in time to see rothko putting their gear onto the tiny stage. an SWR head & cab. another SWR head & cab. "that's odd," I thought, "two bassists..." & then jon clambered up with a fliptop ampeg. no drums, no guitars, no keyboards & only the occasional durutti column style vocal contribution from jon. well, about two numbers into their set, by which time I was a) dumbstruck & b) had completely "got it", crawford produced a minidisc walkman. "a-hah," I thought, "here comes the backing track of the rest of the band!". the minidisc was a fourth bass part, a chunk of danny thompson in fact. well, the rest is history. I followed them around making bootleg recordings (some of which they released) until the trio turned into mark & some other folks. there was a side-project without mark too, a four-piece math-rock outfit called "geiger counter" with crawford still on bass but jon playing guitar.. (& mumbling). they were all three big fans of the DL4, though their main effects were three korg bass multi-effect units- AX3B perhaps, I forget now. lots of reverb, lots of distortion, but in such a way that even with your back to them, you could tell who was playing what. (mark's korg was stolen, & I sold him mine which I'd only bought because crawford went on about it so much. didn't really suit me.) jon played a status, I think, mostly. mark had a fretless yamaha & crawford a stingray with a "public enemy" sticker on it. many great nights out when either rothko or geiger counter were paired with monsoon bassoon, a part-gong, part-renaissance prog-pop outfit. rothko managed several albums, but the monsoons only made one, while geiger counter just squeezed out a couple of singles. 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     >> Rothko started out as a trio of electric bassists but has morphed into a variety of players centering around Mark Beazley, one of the original trio of bassists. <<
     
    I've known the rothko lads since late 1997.... I went along to the "upstairs at the garage" venue in north london (to see broadcast, though rothko deny ever having supported them, which is odd) & got there just in time to see rothko putting their gear onto the tiny stage.
    an SWR head & cab. another SWR head & cab. "that's odd," I thought, "two bassists..." & then jon clambered up with a fliptop ampeg.
     
    no drums, no guitars, no keyboards & only the occasional durutti column style vocal contribution from jon.
     
    well, about two numbers into their set, by which time I was a) dumbstruck & b) had completely "got it", crawford produced a minidisc walkman.
    "a-hah," I thought, "here comes the backing track of the rest of the band!".
    the minidisc was a fourth bass part, a chunk of danny thompson in fact.
     
    well, the rest is history. I followed them around making bootleg recordings (some of which they released) until the trio turned into mark & some other folks. there was a side-project without mark too, a four-piece math-rock outfit called "geiger counter" with crawford still on bass but jon playing guitar.. (& mumbling). 
     
    they were all three big fans of the DL4, though their main effects were three korg bass multi-effect units- AX3B perhaps, I forget now.
     
    lots of reverb, lots of distortion, but in such a way that even with your back to them, you could tell who was playing what. (mark's korg was stolen, & I sold him mine which I'd only bought because crawford went on about it so much. didn't really suit me.)
     
    jon played a status, I think, mostly. mark had a fretless yamaha & crawford a stingray with a "public enemy" sticker on it.
     
    many great nights out when either rothko or geiger counter were paired with monsoon bassoon, a part-gong, part-renaissance prog-pop outfit. 
    rothko managed several albums, but the monsoons only made one, while geiger counter just squeezed out a couple of singles.
     
    I miss them all.
     
    d.


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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B004.97CA4A54-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 16:56:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2C23BEFF; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,180,1151899200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="482446975:sNHT31778742" In-Reply-To: <0bc901c6aff4$6a50f790$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0bc901c6aff4$6a50f790$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--554310620 Message-Id: <7C83FCF3-C60A-4D36-B92A-A8AE3EDB94DC@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird") Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:55:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:56:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--554310620 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Amor, in the User Library: http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?=20 id=3Duserlibrary_us&type=3D0&ulbr=3D1&plview=3Ddetail&patchid=3D995 I doubt any experienced Vortex users would find it a convincing =20 emulation of the FX in the real Vortex, but it does have a morphing =20 function that was ahead of its time (now all Reaktor ensembles can =20 morph between settings), and there=92s lots of weird sounds in there. dc On Jul 25, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > btw, what is the Vortex-like ensemble? --Apple-Mail-2--554310620 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Amor, in the User = Library:

    I doubt any experienced = Vortex users would find it a convincing emulation of the FX in the real = Vortex, but it does have a morphing function that was ahead of its time = (now all Reaktor ensembles can morph between settings), and there=92s = lots of weird sounds in there.
    dc

    On = Jul 25, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    btw, what is the Vortex-like = ensemble?

    = --Apple-Mail-2--554310620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 17:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 368573BF05; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A+VHgm2IhlMCLAeIbC/zAZupZAULDIZ66LerXbK2XIThv/IjhhEcRXUa7shlfIYwk9MIsC/f7TTBSn4D8EN3mraXNRgziN6Q7Fq8YvHT31ZjhjcBaRCMeZbAXQR3g6RLku1VBKfxQPhtvQqMWSzVHICc+cAJuUuaCDlFdvfF2Q0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:13:45 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative) In-Reply-To: <0be801c6aff6$2d718db0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060725082856.61530@gmx.net> <0be801c6aff6$2d718db0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-ZbJzD.A.62D.KFlxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Taylor electric Nylons are appealing! Good thinking Krispen! On 7/25/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > From: "Buzap Buzap" > > > The Boss VF-1 unit seems really interesting. It doesn't seem to be on sale > > anywhere and does not even show up in ebay. > > > > I wonder why? > > > > Buzap > > That's because everyone is hording them! :) Look at me...I have two. I > suppose this will drive the price up a bit. > > K- > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 17:50:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E523BF02; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d0b01c6b012$d5839c70$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0bc901c6aff4$6a50f790$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7C83FCF3-C60A-4D36-B92A-A8AE3EDB94DC@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird") Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:50:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0D08_01C6AFE0.89C0B200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:50:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0D08_01C6AFE0.89C0B200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do have that ensemble and it sounds great...produces some interesting = sounds. Paul said that he was only partially successful in emulating = the Vortex. I'm not sure if it had to do with limitations of Reaktor or = a matter of time & effort.=20 I haven't even tapped into Reaktor's new feature of morphing between = settings. I need to figure that out. I'd love to set it up so that it = morphed from one preset (snap) to another at a time interval that I = define. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - = "Blackbird") Amor, in the User Library: = http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=3Duserlibrary_us&type=3D0&ul= br=3D1&plview=3Ddetail&patchid=3D995 I doubt any experienced Vortex users would find it a convincing = emulation of the FX in the real Vortex, but it does have a morphing = function that was ahead of its time (now all Reaktor ensembles can morph = between settings), and there=92s lots of weird sounds in there. dc On Jul 25, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: btw, what is the Vortex-like ensemble? ------=_NextPart_000_0D08_01C6AFE0.89C0B200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I do have that ensemble and it sounds=20 great...produces some interesting sounds.  Paul said that he was = only=20 partially successful in emulating the Vortex.  I'm not sure if it = had to do=20 with limitations of Reaktor or a matter of time & effort. =
     
    I haven't even tapped into Reaktor's = new feature of=20 morphing between settings. I need to figure that out. I'd love to set it = up so=20 that it morphed from one preset (snap) to another at a time interval = that I=20 define.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 David=20 Coffin
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 = 10:55=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST = Program=20 Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird")

    Amor, in the User Library:
    http://www.= nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=3Duserlibrary_us&type=3D0&ulbr=3D= 1&plview=3Ddetail&patchid=3D995

    I doubt any experienced Vortex users would find it a convincing = emulation=20 of the FX in the real Vortex, but it does have a morphing function = that was=20 ahead of its time (now all Reaktor ensembles can morph between = settings), and=20 there=92s lots of weird sounds in there.
    dc

    On Jul 25, 2006, at 7:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
    btw, what is the = Vortex-like=20 = ensemble?

    <= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0D08_01C6AFE0.89C0B200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 19:12:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90AD53BEFE; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1140.128.193.37.230.1153762289.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <01af01c6aef8$405b8560$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> <1140.128.193.37.230.1153762289.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:05:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM (ricoloop) Cc: rico@ricoloop.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2006 19:11:54.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[312C4490:01C6B01E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:12:00 +0000 (UTC) > > Do you like tap dancing ;-) >> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3266 > >The video is useless for figuring out what Rico's doing. > >The key thing he says is that the RC-50 is 3 RC-20s in parallel. That's the >design fault. Rico's a pretty good performer actually. Someone should invite >Rico onto the LD list. Boss might actually listen to him. > >Cheers, >Kevin >www.TheNettles.com I did invite him, as you see below he keeps sending me his creative show invitations I had the impression he was a nice and smart guy rather the fun street musician than the sophisticated composer though. If Boss listens only to him, they may never understand our needs... but still sell enough - which both is actually fine for me... I hate when people come up: "oh, so you also invented a Loop-Station?" :-) Matthias > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] >Sent: Montag, 12. September 2005 14:22 >To: rico >Cc: Bernhard Wagner >Subject: Re: our festival > >hi evrybody,.. > >sounds like my festival;) well, next time. >please >check >out >"ricoloop" > >www.ricoloop.de >rico@ricoloop.de > >saugut! >wir haben uns vorallem auf der Loopers-Delight.com liste getroffen, warst du >auch schon dort? > >welcome >Matthias >-- -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 20:34:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4083D3BEFB; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: geoff smith Subject: does the boss rc50 have insert modes similar to the edp? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:22:13 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:34:27 +0000 (UTC) I have watched both videos for the rc50 but haven't seen any use of any insert functions, I remember reading in someones post that there are various 'overdub' modes does the rc50 have an insert replace and insert substitute function like the edp, I would really like the one that works by inserting something the next time round a loop can't remember which one that was called as I sold my edp a while ago. cheers geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 20:34:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A31503BF08; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:20:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Agreed for a product demo thats about as good as I have seen. Much more interesting than the usual guitar demos. geoff On 24 Jul 2006, at 18:23, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > That's tough talk, jeff... I think he's got his act down pretty well > perfect. > > Care to demonstrate YOUR rig on video?? > > > >> On Jul 24, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill >> wrote: >> >>> I was really flabberghasted to learn from Rico Loop (with a name >>> like this, >>> he sure must be an authority) that the RC-50 is "the most powerful >>> looper in >>> the world - actually the only stereo looper in the world." >> >> The truly scary part is that Boss thinks this clown is going to help >> sell their product. I couldn't stop laughing. Poor guy...he seems to >> take his "art" so seriously, too. >> >> Jeff > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 21:08:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 291DC3BF08; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C6881A.1010202@rhein-zeitung.de> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:07:38 +0200 From: Dirk Wilbert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM References: <002801c6af3c$932fa6b0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4999E0D7-C599-4DF6-A627-BAF043571A61@midway.uchicago.edu> <44C53BB4.4080108@rhein-zeitung.de> <20060725082119.61510@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20060725082119.61510@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:08:00 +0000 (UTC) I wanted to buy mine from "Thomann" - one of the largest online shops in Germany; will be available in two days ;-) Thanks, Dirk > Hi Dirk > > >> waiting for the RC50 to be available in Germany... >> > the RC-50 _is_ available in Germany already. While you may not be able to find it in the music shop next door yet. Units have been already shipped from Rotterdam to shops in Germany. > If your local shop can't get it, try some of the large online shops in Germany for order > > Best regards > Buzap > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 21:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D9D3BF0B; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=De27voc+ZS2UvwbxFvGH8r4eHIx8JQnTRgHiTXwcqbYD7/uQgGSdBPWkL3IloVXd25X0GMz24cZSOjdtWOr2dLa7Vxzhj5BMizzpe6ZDczKbE76gcFjt6tUttNWbPNkYWANFsL2MEHCR+WMwRo12UE3WUJzTCs/of4ZZ97WrRAk= ; Message-ID: <20060725210846.79427.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: the truth about true bypass To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:08:48 +0000 (UTC) In my ungoing research to set up a good pedalboard that wont deteriorate tone now i find out that true bypass is not the answer either just thought i share this info with you: http://www.petecornish.co.uk/case_against_true_bypass.html Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 21:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC59F3BF02; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HjIXTwVz706wVKV9MiKtUDWM5ZEvuPxQXgFzmFKqS3DJWq9MH3EIDIOg5+cNY61svpqLPBR3+s661OdR2+R0J4h1hINg/iD3L+cjgkJ9Tzr2PLcy8EqmQ7JWu/9+QGceXLxZ1hMHfAkitDiHfbeemZ6eaBF/Ab1kyRemWiysG0A= ; Message-ID: <20060725211706.45879.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:17:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: why not just use a laptop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13089713.1153842746813.JavaMail.root@web26> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <73coSD.A.q6F.TpoxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:17:07 +0000 (UTC) http://www.petecornish.co.uk/pfrig.html www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 21:37:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23373BF00; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oSJFRpZssz71NhM/isLw7rf2cnsi25Rrbhc6gHjRhS6FbzvZxZHilQje4CkLGrmu4y5k398qvPNx6X6UxxyBkkDoq1CW1NiNjKW+gR2nhhGL7cDsZ539O/M3xET+nN0IgCmp4ZL7LmRT3eiGSeSLj5jpgelzFvcAPZ1Eyi5ABvk= ; Message-ID: <20060725213717.65957.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060725082856.61530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Wow Kris already quitting on your looperlative whats up? > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this > sells as a system, wired, > > and ready to go inside the rack) www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C6B044.DEABE5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 21:53:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 567883BF05; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dfc01c6b034$b426d6b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060725213717.65957.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:53:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'll be clear. The Looperaltive is a beautifully superior unit in my opinion. And I am convinced Bob will continue to update it until to far surpasses the expectations of user. And a day doesn't go by when I don't look at my rack, see it, and feel great about owning the unit. But the truth of the matter is that now that my notebook is meeting all of my looping and effect needs and more (and I also have a backup notebook system ready to go), the rack is really becoming obsolete. I'd love to keep the LP1 around, but I'm not sure when I'll use it. Today, I'm thinking more in terms of optimization, utilization, how much time I really have in a day, and really using what I have. In the last month, I have been cleaning house and selling virtually all the gear I own that I don't use or plan to use for an upcoming gig. I have this rack and a couple Rocktron Velocity guitar cabinets, that about does it. So, I am not quitting on the Looperlative because of any fault of the unit or because I don't think highly of it, but because the laptop has finally proven its case for me...and thanks to Jeff and Mobius. If it weren't for Mobius, I probably wouldn't have made the switch. It feels liberating to finally make the commitment 100% to a notebook system, walk the talk, and not have a hardware system in the back as a security blanket. I know that in my conversation with other loopers, like Rick, Ted, and others, that they like to have more options available to them and not set on one particular unit. For example, Rick has an EDP, LP1, Repeater, and some floor units I guess. That works well for him, but not for me. My life is complicated enough trying to maintain a non-music career in the IT business and focus on my family, so simplicity in my gear setup really clears my mind and helps me focus. It is hard for me to focus on the playing when I have so much gear laying around that I have to maintain, keep using so that I can remember how to use it, etc. I can't even describe in words how good it feels to walk into a gig with my guitar, notebook computer, and an FCB. I guess it comes down to personal choice and the philosophy one is trying to maintain when it comes to creating good music. I admit my choice does not come without risks, but I have addressed those with a backup system, which I bring to every gig. And if I didn't have that, I'd do what any well-rounded musician like myself would do, namely play my instrument solo without any gear or looping. I can do that. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect > Wow Kris already quitting on your looperlative whats > up? >> > http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this >> sells as a system, wired, >> > and ready to go inside the rack) > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 22:15:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CBD53BEFB; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RnYqMWSdPZs9zbo+y8zgfpae6XfEflO9HbRrfhd+zXqZi61VrsT4r2PaOurW5a0opcyYMaVJZHIr+h0Tx9JOoifXVs7h+I3IoASWBh3qZa4CJphIvnPGvSW5RP8RDL9IvzqvmyitEWPZjf0/kRwz0BChArqv9j7MmgkB20T3M9E= ; Message-ID: <20060725221533.12434.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: should we name it echoing ? (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:15:35 +0000 (UTC) I see slowly two diferent types of looping here and it occurs to me that none of the loopers video demos show the use of the feedback feature... should we name looping with feedback perhaps echoing? Luis --- Jeff Kaiser wrote: > On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > continuing to add layers without being able to > reduce > > the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to > refer to this as the > > "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative. > > > Ahh, dogma! Fundamentalist loopers unite! I love > rules! :-) > > All options are good....and have creative > possiblilities....I don't > personally use a feedback control function, but am > glad to see it as an > option for those that want it. > > Feedback control is good, no feedback control is > good. > > My dogma is: The truth is the sum of all dogmas. > > Now, back to this evening's ale of choice: Piraat. > > BTW, Kris Hartung, I miss the Bitter Creek Ale > house!!! Rogue XS Old > Crustacean Barleywine ale rocks...... > > :-) > > best regards, > > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 22:16:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5D463BF05; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060725210846.79427.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060725210846.79427.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:11:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: the truth about true bypass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <30OXjD.A.Ta.IhpxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:16:40 +0000 (UTC) However, there are several pedals which rely on interaction with the (passive) guitar pickups and don't like Pete Cornish's pedalboards... >In my ungoing research to set up a good pedalboard >that wont deteriorate tone now i find out that true >bypass is not the answer either just thought i share >this info with you: >http://www.petecornish.co.uk/case_against_true_bypass.html >Luis > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 22:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645AE3BF08; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bT1NjtwBFXV7ckO8gNp5HVWeXCVyNvmBTMg+XZER4CuZNpzlsUG72mCRXIcz5Vzj80AJVq3cgq1de0pfVrv7rMjgd+s4ejhAdSRSSLI51H8D9RXcJRa9JOSOnhQO2WQ0AVIvPfB6t0cchfFKJ+jj2+Jplvzj428EXhJEjnNtC1k= ; Message-ID: <20060725221951.49002.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0dfc01c6b034$b426d6b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:19:53 +0000 (UTC) fair enough man you are even convincing me to start using a lappy! although i havent kept up with Mobious updates lately we gotta thank Jeff for doing it all for us! cheers Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, I'll be clear. The Looperaltive is a > beautifully superior unit in my > opinion. And I am convinced Bob will continue to > update it until to far > surpasses the expectations of user. And a day > doesn't go by when I don't > look at my rack, see it, and feel great about owning > the unit. > > But the truth of the matter is that now that my > notebook is meeting all of > my looping and effect needs and more (and I also > have a backup notebook > system ready to go), the rack is really becoming > obsolete. I'd love to keep > the LP1 around, but I'm not sure when I'll use it. > Today, I'm thinking more > in terms of optimization, utilization, how much time > I really have in a day, > and really using what I have. In the last month, I > have been cleaning house > and selling virtually all the gear I own that I > don't use or plan to use for > an upcoming gig. I have this rack and a couple > Rocktron Velocity guitar > cabinets, that about does it. > > So, I am not quitting on the Looperlative because of > any fault of the unit > or because I don't think highly of it, but because > the laptop has finally > proven its case for me...and thanks to Jeff and > Mobius. If it weren't for > Mobius, I probably wouldn't have made the switch. > It feels liberating to > finally make the commitment 100% to a notebook > system, walk the talk, and > not have a hardware system in the back as a security > blanket. > > I know that in my conversation with other loopers, > like Rick, Ted, and > others, that they like to have more options > available to them and not set on > one particular unit. For example, Rick has an EDP, > LP1, Repeater, and some > floor units I guess. That works well for him, but > not for me. My life is > complicated enough trying to maintain a non-music > career in the IT business > and focus on my family, so simplicity in my gear > setup really clears my mind > and helps me focus. It is hard for me to focus on > the playing when I have so > much gear laying around that I have to maintain, > keep using so that I can > remember how to use it, etc. I can't even describe > in words how good it > feels to walk into a gig with my guitar, notebook > computer, and an FCB. > > I guess it comes down to personal choice and the > philosophy one is trying to > maintain when it comes to creating good music. I > admit my choice does not > come without risks, but I have addressed those with > a backup system, which I > bring to every gig. And if I didn't have that, I'd > do what any well-rounded > musician like myself would do, namely play my > instrument solo without any > gear or looping. I can do that. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect > > > > Wow Kris already quitting on your looperlative > whats > > up? > >> > http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this > >> sells as a system, wired, > >> > and ready to go inside the rack) > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 22:38:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B34343BF0C; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mMxr9ZuedhmnnlDqQwWe5U4lj/QSJzeGl3PMT5uc3LgI2AsNwSwpHfyVWatsw+AzyziS7ASFxAV6YbG9vfn8Gewj6EEq/DAABHrIdy5WbHxt8rhxfASuAnUzddC4ZfU7yeqlYK6hJH/pA4aavNhYrDsA4+AuoZsQQxaTZIZNi+I= ; Message-ID: <20060725223857.66253.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: days before looping(no topic) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:38:59 +0000 (UTC) I almost miss the hard work it was before i was introduced to looping,almost.Its a strange catch 22,did i inhibit my abilities by making it easier to fill the silence,or expand my creative boundaries?I would have to guess the truth lies somewhere between the questions.Still i can not imagine reverting to the days before looping. Long live the loop, Danny Scary. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 25 22:52:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D299C3BF06; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C6A0B2.1030209@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:52:34 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free CD (Is it spam if its free???) References: <007901c6b034$1dddc920$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <007901c6b034$1dddc920$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010008070408020902040801" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:52:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010008070408020902040801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, I dig this approach a lot! You can also do the trick of slipping a few underhandedly in music stores, always first in the cd racks, or better yet on an endcap or display. You won't really count on them selling, but it will take forever for the staff to notice (or care) and in the meantime you're getting visibility which is always a good thing, like little billboards. And if someone is interested and asks the price, /maybe /the store will care enough to want to stock them for real. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Actually this is the first downloadable record I've made, but (as > mentioned earlier on LD) I've been giving away CD's for a while now, > and I've been just leaving then places, anywhere, dentists waiting > rooms, trains and Cafe tables... But now its official!! And part of > the rules for downloading this CD is that you burn an extra one and > leave it somewhere!!! > > Ha ha.. If you don'y like it, you can just leave your copy somewhere too!! > > Mark > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com > he writes for www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > --------------010008070408020902040801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, I dig this approach a lot! You can also do the trick of slipping a few underhandedly in music stores, always first in the cd racks, or better yet on an endcap or display. You won't really count on them selling, but it will take forever for the staff to notice (or care) and in the meantime you're getting visibility which is always a good thing, like little billboards. And if someone is interested and asks the price, maybe the store will care enough to want to stock them for real.

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com

    Actually this is the first downloadable record I've made, but (as mentioned earlier on LD) I've been giving away CD's for a while now, and I've been just leaving then places, anywhere, dentists waiting rooms, trains and Cafe tables... But now its official!! And part of the rules for downloading this CD is that you burn an extra one and leave it somewhere!!!
     
    Ha ha.. If you don'y like it, you can just leave your copy somewhere too!!
     
    Mark
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com

    --------------010008070408020902040801-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 03:39:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1D363BF06; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001c01c6af09$81725cc0$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <20060724002635.96743.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c6af09$81725cc0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <6c73edb3e21141abf67835f9d48f99be@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: looper's list? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:39:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Is this list functioning? I haven't had an email in a day or so....... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 04:07:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9040B3BF07; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HUWQJwWbt2uxfh4e+HnN5y5pkrAjglaoKRQXdubWH2YDnmgEpJehAMnfxJtezJucaaelVsDNRo0EZC21lIesqPsSdD6egqhy0N/DHic2IWYOVmPG/PTTjzYoml1eHh/LFDyECsHg/0FnWu9E/PzQAGBHvgXfRrihk2otIreiNB4= Message-ID: <913728d60607252107i2c3d403bo425749471779eba8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:07:30 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper's list? In-Reply-To: <6c73edb3e21141abf67835f9d48f99be@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060724002635.96743.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c6af09$81725cc0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6c73edb3e21141abf67835f9d48f99be@pfmentum.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:07:33 +0000 (UTC) afaik its working :) On 7/25/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Is this list functioning? I haven't had an email in a day or so....... > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 04:13:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E71FB3BF0B; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <913728d60607252107i2c3d403bo425749471779eba8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060724002635.96743.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c6af09$81725cc0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6c73edb3e21141abf67835f9d48f99be@pfmentum.com> <913728d60607252107i2c3d403bo425749471779eba8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: looper's list? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:13:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, was feeling a bit, ahem, out of the loop...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 25, 2006, at 9:07 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > afaik its working :) > > > > On 7/25/06, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> Is this list functioning? I haven't had an email in a day or = so....... >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 04:14:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E6CB3BF0D; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e0d01c6b06a$0ca5eb20$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <007901c6b034$1dddc920$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Free CD (Is it spam if its free???) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:14:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E0A_01C6B037.C1018530" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:14:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E0A_01C6B037.C1018530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool, Mark, but what about that baby of yours? How's it going? Getting = more sleep now? :) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: markfrancombe.com=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: RE: Free CD (Is it spam if its free???) Sorry if this is taken as spam... But I'm not selling anything.. ITS = FREE!! But I too have just put out a FREE CD! Its called SYNCH! and well.. OK... its a bit of a compilation album = really... did I say it was FREE! Get it here... http://www.markfrancombe.com/releases/synch.html Its free you know! Actually this is the first downloadable record I've made, but (as = mentioned earlier on LD) I've been giving away CD's for a while now, and = I've been just leaving then places, anywhere, dentists waiting rooms, = trains and Cafe tables... But now its official!! And part of the rules = for downloading this CD is that you burn an extra one and leave it = somewhere!!! Ha ha.. If you don'y like it, you can just leave your copy somewhere = too!! 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    Cool, Mark, but what about that baby of = yours?=20 How's it going? Getting more sleep now? :)
     
    Kris
     
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    Sorry if this is taken as spam... But = I'm not=20 selling anything.. ITS FREE!!

    But I too have just put out a FREE = CD!
     
    Its called SYNCH! and well.. OK... its a bit of = a=20 compilation album really... did I say it was FREE!
     
    Get it here...
    http://www.mark= francombe.com/releases/synch.html
     
    Its free you know!
     
    Actually this is the first downloadable record I've made, but (as = mentioned earlier on LD) I've been giving away CD's for a while now, = and I've=20 been just leaving then places, anywhere, dentists waiting rooms, = trains and=20 Cafe tables... But now its official!! And part of the rules for = downloading=20 this CD is that you burn an extra one and leave it somewhere!!!
     
    Ha ha.. If you don'y like it, you can just leave your=20 copy somewhere too!!
     
     
    Mark
     
    mark francombe
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0E0A_01C6B037.C1018530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 04:16:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3A583BF0D; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e1b01c6b06a$3b33a4a0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060725221951.49002.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:16:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_cBz8.A.rvG.PyuxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Luis, was it you that is looking for a Behringer FCB? I may be selling mine and buying one of those smaller Rocktron All Access units. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect > fair enough man you are even convincing me to start > using a lappy! > although i havent kept up with Mobious updates lately > we gotta thank Jeff for doing it all for us! > cheers > Luis > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, I'll be clear. The Looperaltive is a >> beautifully superior unit in my >> opinion. And I am convinced Bob will continue to >> update it until to far >> surpasses the expectations of user. And a day >> doesn't go by when I don't >> look at my rack, see it, and feel great about owning >> the unit. >> >> But the truth of the matter is that now that my >> notebook is meeting all of >> my looping and effect needs and more (and I also >> have a backup notebook >> system ready to go), the rack is really becoming >> obsolete. I'd love to keep >> the LP1 around, but I'm not sure when I'll use it. >> Today, I'm thinking more >> in terms of optimization, utilization, how much time >> I really have in a day, >> and really using what I have. In the last month, I >> have been cleaning house >> and selling virtually all the gear I own that I >> don't use or plan to use for >> an upcoming gig. I have this rack and a couple >> Rocktron Velocity guitar >> cabinets, that about does it. >> >> So, I am not quitting on the Looperlative because of >> any fault of the unit >> or because I don't think highly of it, but because >> the laptop has finally >> proven its case for me...and thanks to Jeff and >> Mobius. If it weren't for >> Mobius, I probably wouldn't have made the switch. >> It feels liberating to >> finally make the commitment 100% to a notebook >> system, walk the talk, and >> not have a hardware system in the back as a security >> blanket. >> >> I know that in my conversation with other loopers, >> like Rick, Ted, and >> others, that they like to have more options >> available to them and not set on >> one particular unit. For example, Rick has an EDP, >> LP1, Repeater, and some >> floor units I guess. That works well for him, but >> not for me. My life is >> complicated enough trying to maintain a non-music >> career in the IT business >> and focus on my family, so simplicity in my gear >> setup really clears my mind >> and helps me focus. It is hard for me to focus on >> the playing when I have so >> much gear laying around that I have to maintain, >> keep using so that I can >> remember how to use it, etc. I can't even describe >> in words how good it >> feels to walk into a gig with my guitar, notebook >> computer, and an FCB. >> >> I guess it comes down to personal choice and the >> philosophy one is trying to >> maintain when it comes to creating good music. I >> admit my choice does not >> come without risks, but I have addressed those with >> a backup system, which I >> bring to every gig. And if I didn't have that, I'd >> do what any well-rounded >> musician like myself would do, namely play my >> instrument solo without any >> gear or looping. I can do that. >> >> Kris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L.A. Angulo" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:37 PM >> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect >> >> >> > Wow Kris already quitting on your looperlative >> whats >> > up? >> >> > http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm (this >> >> sells as a system, wired, >> >> > and ready to go inside the rack) >> > >> > >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 04:37:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FA503BF1A; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,181,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="1436292509:sNHT17755882" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6c73edb3e21141abf67835f9d48f99be@pfmentum.com> References: <20060724002635.96743.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c6af09$81725cc0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6c73edb3e21141abf67835f9d48f99be@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9b03b42e4ba330ec1dd152e469d03dfe@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: looper's list? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:36:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <53QO9.A.sNH.tFvxEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Jeffo, I seem to get about 30 to 40 LD e-mails a day. Have you got "spam blocking" on? Tedo On Jul 25, 2006, at 8:39 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Is this list functioning? I haven't had an email in a day or so....... > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 05:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65E443BF07; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 05:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=laCivlJXRaRw9r/3jRRdPFm1IXMCTLG0wwBttFipJylUHF6KO6540/aa/3CS+BtuyxS7IMnOT8C9astxj9tIyAlG8axY6sT2Z1KyUS0F5AUwZp8yj7SSDOJKDC3Bi5N5W8yqTs2UI0qTAzUGJ+/C4XLfgYsQjKas42vneIw4qlw= ; Message-ID: <20060726055758.1056.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0e1b01c6b06a$3b33a4a0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 05:58:00 +0000 (UTC) yes i am actually it is for a friend of mine as far as i know hes looking to spend to spend 100.- max for it. cheers Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hey, Luis, was it you that is looking for a > Behringer FCB? I may be selling > mine and buying one of those smaller Rocktron All > Access units. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect > > > > fair enough man you are even convincing me to > start > > using a lappy! > > although i havent kept up with Mobious updates > lately > > we gotta thank Jeff for doing it all for us! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Well, I'll be clear. The Looperaltive is a > >> beautifully superior unit in my > >> opinion. And I am convinced Bob will continue to > >> update it until to far > >> surpasses the expectations of user. And a day > >> doesn't go by when I don't > >> look at my rack, see it, and feel great about > owning > >> the unit. > >> > >> But the truth of the matter is that now that my > >> notebook is meeting all of > >> my looping and effect needs and more (and I also > >> have a backup notebook > >> system ready to go), the rack is really becoming > >> obsolete. I'd love to keep > >> the LP1 around, but I'm not sure when I'll use > it. > >> Today, I'm thinking more > >> in terms of optimization, utilization, how much > time > >> I really have in a day, > >> and really using what I have. In the last month, > I > >> have been cleaning house > >> and selling virtually all the gear I own that I > >> don't use or plan to use for > >> an upcoming gig. I have this rack and a couple > >> Rocktron Velocity guitar > >> cabinets, that about does it. > >> > >> So, I am not quitting on the Looperlative because > of > >> any fault of the unit > >> or because I don't think highly of it, but > because > >> the laptop has finally > >> proven its case for me...and thanks to Jeff and > >> Mobius. If it weren't for > >> Mobius, I probably wouldn't have made the switch. > >> It feels liberating to > >> finally make the commitment 100% to a notebook > >> system, walk the talk, and > >> not have a hardware system in the back as a > security > >> blanket. > >> > >> I know that in my conversation with other > loopers, > >> like Rick, Ted, and > >> others, that they like to have more options > >> available to them and not set on > >> one particular unit. For example, Rick has an > EDP, > >> LP1, Repeater, and some > >> floor units I guess. That works well for him, but > >> not for me. My life is > >> complicated enough trying to maintain a non-music > >> career in the IT business > >> and focus on my family, so simplicity in my gear > >> setup really clears my mind > >> and helps me focus. It is hard for me to focus on > >> the playing when I have so > >> much gear laying around that I have to maintain, > >> keep using so that I can > >> remember how to use it, etc. I can't even > describe > >> in words how good it > >> feels to walk into a gig with my guitar, notebook > >> computer, and an FCB. > >> > >> I guess it comes down to personal choice and the > >> philosophy one is trying to > >> maintain when it comes to creating good music. I > >> admit my choice does not > >> come without risks, but I have addressed those > with > >> a backup system, which I > >> bring to every gig. And if I didn't have that, > I'd > >> do what any well-rounded > >> musician like myself would do, namely play my > >> instrument solo without any > >> gear or looping. I can do that. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "L.A. Angulo" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:37 PM > >> Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect > >> > >> > >> > Wow Kris already quitting on your looperlative > >> whats > >> > up? > >> >> > http://www.krispenhartung.com/rack.htm > (this > >> >> sells as a system, wired, > >> >> > and ready to go inside the rack) > >> > > >> > > >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >> > http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 07:04:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F4B3BF08; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAL2wxkSBT4hv Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060726074912.01aff748@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:04:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: the truth about true bypass In-Reply-To: <20060726041459.C16673BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060726041459.C16673BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:04:41 +0000 (UTC) >In my ungoing research to set up a good pedalboard >that wont deteriorate tone now i find out that true >bypass is not the answer either just thought i share >this info with you: >http://www.petecornish.co.uk/case_against_true_bypass.html >Luis Rather that's a cookbook of how to use a long chain of true bypass FX without problems. ( apart from Charles' observation ) With that system he described it only takes one cheap( or otherwise) FX with a degraded bypass to spoil things. Apart from that, notice that the cable length maths which pretends to prove the point is pretty stupid if you actually think about it :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 08:10:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D91C3BF0C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=RIWg+3gPf0/XQEjLEBpw81QUReO6QAE/+q6iTrJHiGBiMiO6NDsVd+8lhVuR0rAV9HXp40wiM6h5tgrrz/1KusxFvKas5X93mRwT0ARGuQwpUbBO7i9dfaFTodhACpsz4zQbv0NHB3oectsamnyXFmyJnwKI6U4C8IuoWshAii4= ; Message-ID: <013401c6b08b$000be4c0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060725211706.45879.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: why not just use a laptop? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Because he can afford roadies ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: why not just use a laptop? > http://www.petecornish.co.uk/pfrig.html > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 08:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E253BF0C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060725221533.12434.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060725221533.12434.qmail@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 05:14:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: should we name it echoing ? (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2006 08:14:13.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AEA3570:01C6B08B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:14:16 +0000 (UTC) no, Luis if you listen to how my pieces develop, you dont think of an echo. Its about evolution, substitution... >I see slowly two diferent types of looping here and it >occurs to me that none of the loopers video demos show >the use of the feedback feature... >should we name looping with feedback perhaps echoing? >Luis > >--- Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: >> >> > continuing to add layers without being able to >> reduce >> > the amount of accumulated sound (I have come to >> refer to this as the >> > "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor creative. >> >> >> Ahh, dogma! Fundamentalist loopers unite! I love >> rules! :-) >> >> All options are good....and have creative >> possiblilities....I don't >> personally use a feedback control function, but am >> glad to see it as an >> option for those that want it. >> >> Feedback control is good, no feedback control is >> good. >> >> My dogma is: The truth is the sum of all dogmas. >> >> Now, back to this evening's ale of choice: Piraat. >> >> BTW, Kris Hartung, I miss the Bitter Creek Ale >> house!!! Rogue XS Old >> Crustacean Barleywine ale rocks...... >> >> :-) >> >> best regards, >> >> Jeff >> >> > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 09:30:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82BB93BF06; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 02:30:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:30:25 +0000 (UTC) I have to say watching this demo that it gives me the strangest feeling. For 11 years now, I have been doing shows where I use beatboxing, bass guitar, melodica, single line guitars and pygmy bottle blowing techniques.........even down to using a bottle full of water, and drinking it down between overdubs so that each overdub has a lower pitch. To watch a guy who very obviously has never even heard of my name, let alone seen one of my shows doing exactly the same thing is just plain weird. Of course, our music is completely different and I have used many more kinds of instruments than these and am definitely more outside than this guy, but it's still a little unsettling to my fragile little ego. He's like my straight music doppleganger..................lol!!!!!! I wish we could communicate with him to let him know that he's upsetting people by not knowing his history and also to lovingly invite him to join us at Loopers Delight. He's obviously a very talented guy and an engaging performer. yours, Rick Walker aka |()()p.p()()| www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 10:15:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B732D3BF0C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lMF/1QBGQoJTVduOlAXLVr4GxKRUb6zZXHJE2B/gqVcIIvVag2/Uc94tcrcH8eZyXphogdqt+InPRAm/Ql7flwk1l9EdhyHZPu6ECyZ+nOUgq5Rn0CsUrpZ8Vuqs/j3lQRnccfu4wNTCs6L02RJefLGxqX+KGpMCPcHovv2lW8E= In-Reply-To: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82FCEFE7-6E00-490B-BA02-1E895E69ADE3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Rico Loop (was: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:15:03 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:15:08 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jul 2006, at 11.30, loop.pool wrote: > I wish we could communicate with him to let him know that he's > upsetting > people by not knowing his history and also to lovingly invite him > to join us at Loopers Delight. > > He's obviously a very talented guy > and an engaging performer. Roland Scandinavia sent me this link to Rico's web site: http:// ricoloop.de/, while I was reviewing their RC-50. Rico has a good CV and history uploaded for anyone that may be interested to learn more about this German multi instrumentalist musician. I also noticed that Matthias Grob invited Rico to this list. Excellent gesture, Matthias! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 12:12:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EFC63BF08; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <03e501c6ae12$04007120$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sample #1 of VST Program Presets (Lexicon PSP84) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:12:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C6B0B5.21B7CA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:12:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C6B0B5.21B7CA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While we're on the subject of vst plugins. Who knows of a decent pitch = shifter vst, preferrably with some sort of formant preserving facility? GRM tools doesn't cut it for me in this department. G ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Sample #1 of VST Program Presets (Lexicon PSP84) For the benefit of those who are interested in what you can get out of = some of the purchase-only VST effect programs out there, I am going to = start recording samples for you and posting them to the group. There is = no looping on these samples, just straight solo playing through some of = the more interesting presets. Here is the first...(next on the list is PSP42, Antares Filter, = Antares Kantos, Pluggo, Hipno, Morphing Delay, Space Effect, etc) VST Program: Lexicon PSP84 URL: http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp84.html Cost: $149 USD Brief Description PSP 84 is a high-quality processor, capable of producing a wide = variety of delay-based effects. Two independent delay lines operating = with variable sampling rate and precise tape saturation algorithm with = adjustable gain, allow for convincingly sounding simulation of tape = delay, including all the exciting effects resulting from tape speed = instability. A filtration section consisting of three 2nd order = switchable resonant filter types can be used to process input, feedback = or wet signal. The adjustable slope of the filter ranges from a gentle = curve, which is useful for simulating high frequency absorption typical = for tape delay and wet signal equalization to an extremely steep curve = with a high cutoff frequency peak, making all the wild wah-wah and = resonance effects easily available. Delay line sampling rate and filter = cutoff can be modulated by any of the 5 LFO waveforms that are = automatically synchronized to the sequencer tempo or envelope follower = with adjustable sensitivity and attack/release. Moreover, the PSP 84 = contains the fully functional reverb unit, with simplified settings = carefully tuned to exactly reproduce the sound of classic spring and = plate reverberators.=20 Sound clip of factory presets: http://www.box.net/public/d90p7zley2 Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C6B0B5.21B7CA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    While we're on the subject of vst = plugins. Who=20 knows of a decent pitch shifter vst, preferrably with some sort of = formant=20 preserving facility?
    GRM tools doesn't cut it for me in this = department.
     
    G
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 = 5:39 AM
    Subject: Sample #1 of VST = Program Presets=20 (Lexicon PSP84)

    For the benefit of those who are = interested in=20 what you can get out of some of the purchase-only VST effect programs = out=20 there, I am going to start recording samples for you and posting them = to the=20 group. There is no looping on these samples, just straight solo = playing=20 through some of the more interesting presets.
     
    Here is the first...(next on the list = is PSP42,=20 Antares Filter, Antares Kantos, Pluggo, Hipno, Morphing Delay, Space = Effect,=20 etc)
     
    VST Program: Lexicon = PSP84
    URL: http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp84.html
    Cost: $149 = USD
     
    Brief = Description
     
    PSP 84 is a high-quality = processor, capable=20 of producing a wide variety of delay-based effects. Two independent = delay=20 lines operating with variable sampling rate and precise tape = saturation=20 algorithm with adjustable gain, allow for convincingly sounding = simulation of=20 tape delay, including all the exciting effects resulting from tape = speed=20 instability. A filtration section consisting of three 2nd order = switchable=20 resonant filter types can be used to process input, feedback or wet = signal.=20 The adjustable slope of the filter ranges from a gentle curve, which = is useful=20 for simulating high frequency absorption typical for tape delay and = wet signal=20 equalization to an extremely steep curve with a high cutoff frequency = peak,=20 making all the wild wah-wah and resonance effects easily available. = Delay line=20 sampling rate and filter cutoff can be modulated by any of the 5 LFO = waveforms=20 that are automatically synchronized to the sequencer tempo or envelope = follower with adjustable sensitivity and attack/release. Moreover, the = PSP 84=20 contains the fully functional reverb unit, with simplified settings = carefully=20 tuned to exactly reproduce the sound of classic spring and plate=20 reverberators.
     
    Sound clip of factory = presets:=20 http://www.box.net/public/d90p7zley2
     
    Cheers,
     
    *************************************************
    Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Looping Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com = / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
    info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography -     http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u
    ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C6B0B5.21B7CA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 12:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687633BF02; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <7EAF27B3-B050-4FDD-AD1F-165C81185393@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--483947914 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: should we name it echoing ? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:28:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6gUSeD.A.f4.0_1xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:28:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--483947914 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > I see slowly two diferent types of looping here and it > occurs to me that none of the loopers video demos show > the use of the feedback feature... > should we name looping with feedback perhaps echoing? > Luis Echoing seems like a pretty pointless term to me, but I care less about what you call it than whether it's worth listening to or not. I'll definitely be spending my energy trying to play and write great music, rather than worrying about whether the label for what I do changes when I push the feedback pedal. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-9--483947914 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    I see slowly two diferent types of looping here and = it
    occurs to me that none of the loopers video = demos show
    the use of the feedback = feature...
    should we name looping with = feedback perhaps echoing?
    Echoing seems like a pretty = pointless term to me, but I care less about what you call it than = whether it's worth listening to or not. I'll definitely be spending my = energy trying to play and write great music, rather than worrying about = whether the label for what I do changes when I push the feedback = pedal.=A0

    cheers

    http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
    www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



    = --Apple-Mail-9--483947914-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 12:56:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6D33BF0C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:56:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Agreed, Rick. I am finding that there is a separate breed of commercial/pop music loopers developing on the side, some of which are working in a vacuum. We need to know each other, our community, and our history...especially to prevent re-inventing the wheel, claiming to invent the wheel, or repeating past mistakes. Community is powerful. What would be sad and unfortunate is if the world developed a "class" of loopers that gain enough popularity in the public eye that they forget their roots and feel they don't have to talk us anymore. And in this light, I would like to see more famous loopers posting on this list, rather than the occasional "popping in". Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:30 AM Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM >I have to say watching this demo that it gives me the strangest feeling. > > For 11 years now, I have been doing shows where I use beatboxing, bass > guitar, > melodica, single line guitars and pygmy bottle blowing > techniques.........even down to using a bottle > full of water, and drinking it down between overdubs so that each overdub > has a lower > pitch. > > To watch a guy who very obviously has never even heard of my name, let > alone seen > one of my shows doing exactly the same thing is just plain weird. > > Of course, our music is completely different and I have used many more > kinds of instruments > than these and am definitely more outside than this guy, but it's still a > little unsettling to my > fragile little ego. > > He's like my straight music doppleganger..................lol!!!!!! > > > I wish we could communicate with him to let him know that he's upsetting > people by not knowing his history and also to lovingly invite him to join > us at Loopers Delight. > > He's obviously a very talented guy > and an engaging performer. > > yours, > > Rick Walker > aka |()()p.p()()| > www.looppool.info > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 13:28:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B5973BF0F; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7EAF27B3-B050-4FDD-AD1F-165C81185393@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <7EAF27B3-B050-4FDD-AD1F-165C81185393@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--480369758 Message-Id: <4a05808c4feae23fc790bd00f743ca13@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: should we name it echoing ? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:28:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <7aoz4D.A.ljD.032xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:28:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--480369758 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well stated, Steve! It's so easy (but understandable) to get lost in=20 the minutia and lose the music. As one of my first great teachers used to repeatedly say, "FOCUS!" BTW, I got an RC 50 as a first step. I already see the Looperlative's=20= value! But the RC50 is helping me think about what I want to ACTUALLY=20= DO with looping... Big fun. Now it's just a matter of finding TIME to do it in addition=20 to my regular practice. Yikes!!! If only I was 20 again with infinite=20= time on my hands. We performed with a young woman named Feist who uses looping a bit in=20 her show. The audience loved it. Relatively cheap (but well done)=20 tricks etc, but she's obviously spent some time with it. For me it was=20= a great showing of how much people dug the technology. twang richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-Jul-06, at 5:28 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: >> I see slowly two diferent types of looping here and it >> occurs to me that none of the loopers video demos show >> the use of the feedback feature... >> should we name looping with feedback perhaps echoing? >> Luis > Echoing seems like a pretty pointless term to me, but I care less=20 > about what you call it than whether it's worth listening to or not.=20 > I'll definitely be spending my energy trying to play and write great=20= > music, rather than worrying about whether the label for what I do=20 > changes when I push the feedback pedal.=A0 > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > --Apple-Mail-3--480369758 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well stated, Steve! It's so easy (but understandable) to get lost in the minutia and lose the music. =20 As one of my first great teachers used to repeatedly say, "FOCUS!" BTW, I got an RC 50 as a first step. I already see the Looperlative's value! But the RC50 is helping me think about what I want to ACTUALLY DO with looping...=20 Big fun. Now it's just a matter of finding TIME to do it in addition to my regular practice. Yikes!!! If only I was 20 again with infinite time on my hands. We performed with a young woman named Feist who uses looping a bit in her show. The audience loved it. Relatively cheap (but well done) tricks etc, but she's obviously spent some time with it. For me it was a great showing of how much people dug the technology. =20 twang Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-Jul-06, at 5:28 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: I see slowly two diferent types of looping here and it occurs to me that none of the loopers video demos show the use of the feedback feature... should we name looping with feedback perhaps echoing? Luis Echoing seems like a pretty pointless term to me, but I care less about what you call it than whether it's worth listening to or not. I'll definitely be spending my energy trying to play and write great music, rather than worrying about whether the label for what I do changes when I push the feedback pedal.=A0 cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson = --Apple-Mail-3--480369758-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:04:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34463BF0C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:04:25 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-ID: <20060726140425.197050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick watching couple looping videos on the internet, I also had some deja-vus... ;-) Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:22:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9193BF15; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f7f01c6b0be$e5f596b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rocktron All Access for MIDI Controll of Looping Devices Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:22:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Anyone using the Rocktron All Access to control their looping devices? I heard that the buttons were a bit loud when pressing them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:32:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DE043BF0C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MgkifiH1q8RAPeiLLN/P9kK9ivowIc2/mOOKMpzBqq/4UfNWvpZe67Y6juIZKrqE4/H8P2G/70fa3GYKE0hnZ5gtKPkcT3wOLHWMkvzTFQw3HEH3cStyHfI4WdFcU8xMnZQzUeDxZkOchysIiuaS33xdaFbp8F/Tx07Vp62Zhdk= In-Reply-To: References: <03e501c6ae12$04007120$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1665B844-C82A-4E92-AC9E-7B000383CC93@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Pitch Shifting plug-in (was: Re: Sample #1 of VST Program Presets (Lexicon PSP84) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:32:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:32:18 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jul 2006, at 14.12, gareth whittock wrote: > While we're on the subject of vst plugins. Who knows of a decent > pitch shifter vst, preferrably with some sort of formant preserving > facility? Hi Gareth, I thought Chopitch was good when I tried it out. Available as VST for Mac and Windows at http://www.mathons.com/. If you computer runs OSX you should already have Apples AU pitch shifter onboard. It's comes for free with the system. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:36:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112FD3BF0E; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:36:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--479721913 Message-Id: <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 06:38:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:36:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--479721913 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I think some folks who are deeply busy in the day to day of commercial pop, or full time music, (and have families etc) are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. I love it & find it incredibly informative but have found myself frequently tucking lots of looper emails in the 'to read someday' file. Not a dis at all. Scouts honor! I try to scan all of it... but can't even do that some days! Don't let this slow down the wonderful exchange. I'm hoping unread emails can be forwarded to heaven, or pure land, the happy hunting ground or whatever you wanna call it. Then I'll get to all of it. peace inside and out richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-Jul-06, at 5:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Agreed, Rick. I am finding that there is a separate breed of > commercial/pop music loopers developing on the side, some of which are > working in a vacuum. We need to know each other, our community, and > our history...especially to prevent re-inventing the wheel, claiming > to invent the wheel, or repeating past mistakes. Community is > powerful. > > What would be sad and unfortunate is if the world developed a "class" > of loopers that gain enough popularity in the public eye that they > forget their roots and feel they don't have to talk us anymore. And > in this light, I would like to see more famous loopers posting on this > list, rather than the occasional "popping in". > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM > > >> I have to say watching this demo that it gives me the strangest >> feeling. >> >> For 11 years now, I have been doing shows where I use beatboxing, >> bass guitar, >> melodica, single line guitars and pygmy bottle blowing >> techniques.........even down to using a bottle >> full of water, and drinking it down between overdubs so that each >> overdub has a lower >> pitch. >> >> To watch a guy who very obviously has never even heard of my name, >> let alone seen >> one of my shows doing exactly the same thing is just plain weird. >> >> Of course, our music is completely different and I have used many >> more kinds of instruments >> than these and am definitely more outside than this guy, but it's >> still a little unsettling to my >> fragile little ego. >> >> He's like my straight music doppleganger..................lol!!!!!! >> >> >> I wish we could communicate with him to let him know that he's >> upsetting >> people by not knowing his history and also to lovingly invite him to >> join us at Loopers Delight. >> >> He's obviously a very talented guy >> and an engaging performer. >> >> yours, >> >> Rick Walker >> aka |()()p.p()()| >> www.looppool.info >> > --Apple-Mail-4--479721913 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I think some folks who are deeply busy in the day to day of commercial pop, or full time music, (and have families etc) are overwhelmed by the sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. I love it & find it incredibly informative but have found myself frequently tucking lots of looper emails in the 'to read someday' file. Not a dis at all. Scouts honor! I try to scan all of it... but can't even do that some days! Don't let this slow down the wonderful exchange. I'm hoping unread emails can be forwarded to heaven, or pure land, the happy hunting ground or whatever you wanna call it. Then I'll get to all of it. peace inside and out Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 26-Jul-06, at 5:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Agreed, Rick. I am finding that there is a separate breed of commercial/pop music loopers developing on the side, some of which are working in a vacuum. We need to know each other, our community, and our history...especially to prevent re-inventing the wheel, claiming to invent the wheel, or repeating past mistakes. Community is powerful. What would be sad and unfortunate is if the world developed a "class" of loopers that gain enough popularity in the public eye that they forget their roots and feel they don't have to talk us anymore. And in this light, I would like to see more famous loopers posting on this list, rather than the occasional "popping in". Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" < To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" < Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:30 AM Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM I have to say watching this demo that it gives me the strangest feeling. For 11 years now, I have been doing shows where I use beatboxing, bass guitar, melodica, single line guitars and pygmy bottle blowing techniques.........even down to using a bottle full of water, and drinking it down between overdubs so that each overdub has a lower pitch. To watch a guy who very obviously has never even heard of my name, let alone seen one of my shows doing exactly the same thing is just plain weird. Of course, our music is completely different and I have used many more kinds of instruments than these and am definitely more outside than this guy, but it's still a little unsettling to my fragile little ego. He's like my straight music doppleganger..................lol!!!!!! I wish we could communicate with him to let him know that he's upsetting people by not knowing his history and also to lovingly invite him to join us at Loopers Delight. He's obviously a very talented guy and an engaging performer. yours, Rick Walker aka |()()p.p()()| www.looppool.info --Apple-Mail-4--479721913-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:45:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43373BF10; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:45:49 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> Message-ID: <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> Subject: Sheer Volume on this List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi Richard > I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the > sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. I actually the same. I know I'm currently active but I know I'll probably drop-off once other subjects will have a higher priority. What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list? The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured way and don't have to scroll through millions of mails.. Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:46:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E851F3BF08; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MypXu0hvaM+vEclVes9mWlXZWYZJC17Z02744My+6dIi/vYgEjEgjBrXu8w+UVCc8F2pxk3erHfSM/9jTRq/N00JePXuwCaznT8iw710cvhVjHaDEisbkpRvO+YKXzYBcC6iIpI5xikg0tiy4+2HBM6POwJ5o7TcVnHgPtjYl+o= Message-ID: <588ce11d0607260746k1546d5b0ja62ab365791dcd6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:46:09 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting plug-in (was: Re: Sample #1 of VST Program Presets (Lexicon PSP84) In-Reply-To: <1665B844-C82A-4E92-AC9E-7B000383CC93@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <03e501c6ae12$04007120$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1665B844-C82A-4E92-AC9E-7B000383CC93@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:46:42 +0000 (UTC) Braindoc has a decent free PitchShifter VST called, erm, PitchShifter. I use it all the time. http://www.braindoc.de/ Unfortunately, the site is entirely German. On 7/26/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 jul 2006, at 14.12, gareth whittock wrote: > > > While we're on the subject of vst plugins. Who knows of a decent > > pitch shifter vst, preferrably with some sort of formant preserving > > facility? > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:46:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E6D3BF21; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <31b.bafa900.31f8da3f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:46:23 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31b.bafa900.31f8da3f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:46:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_31b.bafa900.31f8da3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 7/26/06 10:36:45 AM, richard@glasswing.com writes: > overwhelmed by the > sheer volume of communication that happens on this list.=A0=20 >=20 that's why subject headers are sooooooooo very important.....ain't that righ= t=20 ricolooppoolrickeeeeeeeee clone #1?.....indeed scary stuff that=20 demo!.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_31b.bafa900.31f8da3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 7/26/06 10:36:45 AM, richard@glasswing.com writes:


    overwhelmed by the sheer volume of communication that happens on this list.=A0


    that's why subject headers are sooooooooo very important.....ain't that r= ight ricolooppoolrickeeeeeeeee clone #1?.....indeed scary stuff that demo!..= ...michael



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     --part1_31b.bafa900.31f8da3f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06903BF24; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:47:35 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <44C64145.8040607@infinivert.com> Message-ID: <20060726144735.136560@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <44C64145.8040607@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Anybody using the Mackie Onyx Satellite? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Josh I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire. I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the small Satellite. Great idea, though. Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:48:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A26543BF21; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:46:26 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 07/26/2006 10:48:53 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:48:07 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>>>>>>What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list? ::::::ducks & covers:::::: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:49:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E7BA3BF28; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <1E93DA23-6F70-4A2B-886B-C2C1C6162249@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--475489415 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:49:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:49:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--475489415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kris wrote: >>What would be sad and unfortunate is if the world developed a "class" of loopers that gain enough popularity in the public eye that they forget their roots and feel they don't have to talk us anymore. And in this light, I would like to see more famous loopers posting on this list, rather than the occasional "popping in".<< I think it has far less to do with elitism and more to do with time - I'm not particularly famous, but I am a full time musician, and have precious little recreational time to devote to following LD. Every now and again, something pops up that interests me, then I end up reading a few digests for a day or two, and then disappear again cos I've got music to write, record and promote, as well as students to teach. I'm sure with people like the lovely Mr Torn, there aren't enough hours in the day to do the things he HAS to do, without getting into the time-vacuum that is internet discussion lists... :o) and with that, I'm off to my gig... Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-12--475489415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kris wrote:
    >>What would be sad and unfortunate is if the = world developed a "class" of loopers that gain enough popularity in the = public eye that they forget their roots and feel they don't have to talk = us anymore.=A0 And in this light, I would like to see more famous = loopers posting on this list, rather than the occasional "popping = in".<<

    I think it = has far less to do with elitism and more to do with time - I'm not = particularly famous, but I am a full time musician, and have precious = little recreational time to devote to following LD. Every now and again, = something pops up that interests me, then I end up reading a few digests = for a day or two, and then disappear again cos I've got music to write, = record and promote, as well as students to teach.=A0

    I'm sure with people like the lovely Mr Torn, there = aren't enough hours in the day to do the things he HAS to do, without = getting into the time-vacuum that is internet discussion lists... = :o)=A0

    and with = that, I'm off to my gig...=A0

    http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
    www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



    = --Apple-Mail-12--475489415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 14:55:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C122D3BF18; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0fb501c6b0c3$93741f10$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03e501c6ae12$04007120$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1665B844-C82A-4E92-AC9E-7B000383CC93@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting plug-in (was: Re: Sample #1 of VST Program Presets (Lexicon PSP84) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:55:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Here are 44 options to review at you leisure, not all directly pitch related. http://tinyurl.com/ec86d As I said before, I really like Fat Ass Edge, and Chopitch is outstanding too. You should check out MadShifta too...very interesting effect. One of my favorites. Kris > On 26 jul 2006, at 14.12, gareth whittock wrote: > >> While we're on the subject of vst plugins. Who knows of a decent pitch >> shifter vst, preferrably with some sort of formant preserving facility? > > Hi Gareth, > > I thought Chopitch was good when I tried it out. Available as VST for Mac > and Windows at http://www.mathons.com/. > > If you computer runs OSX you should already have Apples AU pitch shifter > onboard. It's comes for free with the system. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:07:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FC483BF18; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0fc901c6b0c5$2e0a7140$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:07:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm...the number of emails on this list has never been a problem to me...it's all about being able to prioritize on the fly and not feel the need to read everything I see. I get hundreds of emails a day from work, sit on conference calls, lead meetings, someetimes from 6am to 6pm, plus exchange instant messages with my peers while on conference calls...plus keep up with LD emails and other list emails. It takes a fraction of a second to read the subject heading of an email and delete it. For me quantity has notning to do with it. The more time I have, the less emails I delete or leave un-read. Go to digest mode, or just start sorting by subject heading and deleting multiple emails at the same time....all this takes mere seconds. Or am I not getting something here? What is taking most of folks time? Are you tryin to read everything? Seriously, how long does it take to delete your inbox. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Sheer Volume on this List > Hi Richard > >> I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the >> sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. > > I actually the same. I know I'm currently active but I know I'll probably > drop-off once other subjects will have a higher priority. > > What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list? > The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured way and > don't have to scroll through millions of mails.. > > Best regards > Buzap > -- > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F21A63BF12; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0fda01c6b0c6$15b53c50$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1E93DA23-6F70-4A2B-886B-C2C1C6162249@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:13:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0FD7_01C6B093.CA1D3270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:13:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0FD7_01C6B093.CA1D3270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a full time job for a fortune 500 company (9-12 hours a day), = play music and record CDs on the side, coordinate projects and event, = and raise a family with two 14 month twins that get up at 5:30 or 6am in = the morning. I can still find the time to send encouraging and useful = emails to LD. I don't buy the time argument, because everyone has an = issue with time, not just professional musicians. It is about = priorities. If a professional musician makes it a priority to = proactively get engaged with a community, they will do it, period. Heck, = I know folks who sync their email up and do all their correspondence on = the plane. And I'm not talking about sending hundreds of emails, but at = least a response or comment once in a while so that we know that they = are real people who communicate with the external world, and not = abstract deities who only communicate through the press and their = agents..which seems pretentious as hell to me. Personally, I think fame = gets to the heads of some people in the entertainment industry. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Lawson=20 To: Loop List=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Kris wrote: >>What would be sad and unfortunate is if the world developed a = "class" of loopers that gain enough popularity in the public eye that = they forget their roots and feel they don't have to talk us anymore. = And in this light, I would like to see more famous loopers posting on = this list, rather than the occasional "popping in".<< I think it has far less to do with elitism and more to do with time - = I'm not particularly famous, but I am a full time musician, and have = precious little recreational time to devote to following LD. Every now = and again, something pops up that interests me, then I end up reading a = few digests for a day or two, and then disappear again cos I've got = music to write, record and promote, as well as students to teach.=20 I'm sure with people like the lovely Mr Torn, there aren't enough = hours in the day to do the things he HAS to do, without getting into the = time-vacuum that is internet discussion lists... :o)=20 and with that, I'm off to my gig...=20 Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson ------=_NextPart_000_0FD7_01C6B093.CA1D3270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I have a full time job for a fortune = 500 company=20 (9-12 hours a day), play music and record CDs on the side, coordinate = projects=20 and event, and raise a family with two 14 month twins that get up at = 5:30 or 6am=20 in the morning.  I can still find the time to send encouraging and = useful=20 emails to LD. I don't buy the time argument, because everyone has an = issue with=20 time, not just professional musicians.  It is about priorities. If = a=20 professional musician makes it a priority to proactively get engaged = with a=20 community, they will do it, period. Heck, I know folks who sync their = email up=20 and do all their correspondence on the plane. And I'm not talking about = sending=20 hundreds of emails, but at least a response or comment once in a while = so that=20 we know that they are real people who communicate with the external = world, and=20 not abstract deities who only communicate through the press and their=20 agents..which seems pretentious as hell to me.  Personally, I think = fame=20 gets to the heads of some people in the entertainment = industry.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Steve=20 Lawson
    To: Loop List =
    Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 = 8:49=20 AM
    Subject: Re famous folks on = list (Re:=20 RC-50 video on summer NAMM)

    Kris wrote:
    >>What would be sad and unfortunate = is if the=20 world developed a "class" of loopers that gain enough popularity in = the public=20 eye that they forget their roots and feel they don't have to talk us=20 anymore.  And in this light, I would like to see more famous = loopers=20 posting on this list, rather than the occasional "popping = in".<<

    I think it has far less to do with elitism = and more=20 to do with time - I'm not particularly famous, but I am a full time = musician,=20 and have precious little recreational time to devote to following LD. = Every=20 now and again, something pops up that interests me, then I end up = reading a=20 few digests for a day or two, and then disappear again cos I've got = music to=20 write, record and promote, as well as students to teach. 

    I'm sure with people like the lovely Mr = Torn, there=20 aren't enough hours in the day to do the things he HAS to do, without = getting=20 into the time-vacuum that is internet discussion lists... = :o) 

    and with that, I'm off to my = gig... 

    Steve
    www.stevelawson.net - site
    www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop
    http://steve.anthropiccolle= ctive.org=20 - blog
    www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson


    ------=_NextPart_000_0FD7_01C6B093.CA1D3270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:17:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 785C53BF22; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tDp5fL0RJUFCcyWiDPVYrnXN6h5G5BkGlvG7G4i2ECEUwtmkdCX4TVFotNwFPRSD3bWgkvdqEgeXOm+rzb8PxpZSib4oGvoku1wsMe9OapjLvTH/sOtwIWe1V9zg7GQynViGxd85dlP66POYPqOJz/eJvaa+rnj2h69eF7WB4JA= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730607260817u4ae0c924i16c8f1ff130ad350@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:17:40 -0400 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List In-Reply-To: <0fc901c6b0c5$2e0a7140$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_249748_23320552.1153927060236" References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> <0fc901c6b0c5$2e0a7140$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:17:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_249748_23320552.1153927060236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Speaking for myself, I often find it hard to gauge what might be interesting, based off of the subject lines. Many times I have deleted emails in this forum only to find out later that there was some very interesting discussion goin= g on. Other times, exactly the opposite or I have read through volumes to find nothing. I think there needs to be a more of an effort to change subject lines when the thread starts to change, which it so often does. I've nothing really to offer on this subject other than to say I'd rather recieve as much info as possible and have the option to delete, than vice-versa. Clint Allen On 7/26/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Hmmm...the number of emails on this list has never been a problem to > me...it's all about being able to prioritize on the fly and not feel the > need to read everything I see. I get hundreds of emails a day from work, > sit > on conference calls, lead meetings, someetimes from 6am to 6pm, plus > exchange instant messages with my peers while on conference calls...plus > keep up with LD emails and other list emails. > > It takes a fraction of a second to read the subject heading of an email > and > delete it. For me quantity has notning to do with it. The more time I > have, the less emails I delete or leave un-read. Go to digest mode, or > just > start sorting by subject heading and deleting multiple emails at the same > time....all this takes mere seconds. > > Or am I not getting something here? What is taking most of folks time? > Are > you tryin to read everything? Seriously, how long does it take to delete > your inbox. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buzap Buzap" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:45 AM > Subject: Sheer Volume on this List > > > > Hi Richard > > > >> I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the > >> sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. > > > > I actually the same. I know I'm currently active but I know I'll > probably > > drop-off once other subjects will have a higher priority. > > > > What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list? > > The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured way > and > > don't have to scroll through millions of mails.. > > > > Best regards > > Buzap > > -- > > > > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft f=FCr 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! > > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > > > > > > ------=_Part_249748_23320552.1153927060236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Speaking for myself, I often find it hard to gauge what might be interestin= g,
    based off of the subject lines. Many times I have deleted emails in t= his forum
    only to find out later that there was some very interesting di= scussion going on.
    Other times, exactly the opposite or I have read through volumes to fin= d nothing.

    I think there needs to be a more of an effort to change s= ubject lines when the
    thread starts to change, which it so often does.= =20

    I've nothing really to offer on this subject other than to say I'd = rather recieve as much info
    as possible and have the option to delete, t= han vice-versa.

    Clint Allen


    On 7/26/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Hmmm...the number of emails on this list has never been a problem to
    me.= ..it's all about being able to prioritize on the fly and not feel the
    ne= ed to read everything I see. I get hundreds of emails a day from work, sit
    on conference calls, lead meetings, someetimes from 6am to 6pm, plusexchange instant messages with my peers while on conference calls...pluskeep up with LD emails and other list emails.

    It takes a fraction = of a second to read the subject heading of an email and
    delete it.   For me quantity has notning to do with it. The m= ore time I
    have, the less emails I delete or leave un-read.  G= o to digest mode, or just
    start sorting by subject heading and deleting = multiple emails at the same
    time....all this takes mere seconds.

    Or am I not getting somethi= ng here?  What is taking most of folks time? Are
    you tryin to = read everything? Seriously, how long does it take to delete
    your inbox.<= br>
    Kris

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Buzap Buzap" &= lt;buzap@gmx.net>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com >
    Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:45 AM
    Subject: Sheer Volume= on this List


    > Hi Richard
    >
    >> I think some f= olks ..are overwhelmed by the
    >> sheer volume of communication tha= t happens on this list.
    >
    > I actually the same. I know I'm currently active but I kno= w I'll probably
    > drop-off once other subjects will have a higher pri= ority.
    >
    > What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of = a mailling list?
    > The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured= way and
    > don't have to scroll through millions of mails..
    >> Best regards
    > Buzap
    > --
    >
    >
    > Echte = DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft f=FCr 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit!
    > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
    >
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    ------=_Part_249748_23320552.1153927060236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:28:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884D33BF0C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L/MHlzoNqJ31FmXfWjx4oHSjPpSO8viBqlr+ji80+THWHjrdb6kJGikkeP8eFNsATeNRE16AP9vTX0ylIUc2XaGxh/K06MQcQy9u+MznCBHwi9kpTjsS+2ScvPbu6Wa3Hs+F7PKjOjs/z7/M+c7BH0+5lj2ql9wqsa+Yy5bZtD0= ; Message-ID: <20060726152841.14526.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:28:41 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0fc901c6b0c5$2e0a7140$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1230729491-1153927721=:14274" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:28:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1230729491-1153927721=:14274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm pretty much with Kris on this one - I delete incoming mails quite freely, safe in the knowledge that there's always the archive to look up if I feel the need later. And I'm adopting the "duck and cover" approach to the forum question ;) ! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now --------------------------------- --0-1230729491-1153927721=:14274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm pretty much with Kris on this one - I delete incoming mails quite freely, safe in the knowledge that there's always the archive to look up if I feel the need later.

    And I'm adopting the "duck and cover" approach to the forum question ;) !

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    --0-1230729491-1153927721=:14274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:31:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34F8E3BF1F; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,185,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="352929440:sNHT24848420" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-31--472989523 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:31:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:31:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-31--472989523 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, On Jul 26, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the >> sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. As has recently been discussed, the list has been around for very nearly 10 years. While the volume was lower in the very beginning, it soon =20 ramped up as more folks joined. It's always been a problem. The key is to be selective. YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ EVERYTHING. It's really OK to not read everything and just chuck everything else in the dumpster. If you find out later that you've missed out on some cool topic because the title seemed uninteresting at the time (or, as often happens, was totally misleading initially), never fear. There is always the LD =20 archives. You can catch up on old threads there easily enough. When I first joined it was the only list I belonged to. I was a "noob" =20= in October of '96 and didn't know it was OK to not slavishly read =20 everyone's posts. It didn't take me long to learn the practical ins and outs of =20 list behavior and etiquette though . . . and to stop feeling like I had to read everything. I think all of us still need reminders from time to time that it =20 reallly helps to label your message correctly too . . . and if the thread content =20 changes and morphs into something else, indicate clearly that that is the case by re-labeling it with something like: "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH (WAS RE: YADDA, YADDA, YADDAH)" and let a new thread proceed from there. It'll make it easier to locate important topics in the archives too if =20= they're named correctly too. I probably don't read 25% of the LD list's posting any more. But =20 occasionally I find I've missed something pretty good because the initial post and =20= subsequent exchanges were all titled something dopey that had little to do with =20 the content of interest. In the interest of everyone . . . I offer a plea for =20 titling your posts accurately in regards to content. End of "old guy" rant. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-31--472989523 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, On Jul 26, 2006, at 7:45 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the=20 sheer volume of communication that happens on this list.=20 As has recently been discussed, the list has been around for very nearly 10 years. While the volume was lower in the very beginning, it soon ramped up as more folks joined. It's always been a problem. The key is to be selective. YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ EVERYTHING. It's really OK to not read everything and just chuck everything else in the dumpster. If you find out later that you've missed out on some cool topic because the title seemed uninteresting at the time (or, as often happens, was totally misleading initially), never fear. There is always the LD archives. You can catch up on old threads there easily enough. When I first joined it was the only list I belonged to. I was a "noob" in October of '96 and didn't know it was OK to not slavishly read everyone's=20 posts. It didn't take me long to learn the practical ins and outs of list behavior and etiquette though . . . and to stop feeling like I had to=20 read everything. I think all of us still need reminders from time to time that it reallly helps=20 to label your message correctly too . . . and if the thread content changes=20 and morphs into something else, indicate clearly that that is the case by re-labeling it with something like: "BLAH, BLAH, BLAH (WAS RE:=20 YADDA, YADDA, YADDAH)" and let a new thread proceed from there. It'll make it easier to locate important topics in the archives too if they're named correctly too. I probably don't read 25% of the LD list's posting any more. But occasionally I find I've missed something pretty good because the initial post and subsequent exchanges were all titled something dopey that had little to do with the content of interest. In the interest of everyone . . . I offer a plea for titling your posts accurately in regards to content. End of "old guy" rant. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 9B9A,9B9A,9B9A"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-31--472989523-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:31:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC9823BF22; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C78AE2.4090304@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:46 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody using the Mackie Onyx Satellite? References: <44C64145.8040607@infinivert.com> <20060726144735.136560@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20060726144735.136560@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-2, 07/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:31:53 +0000 (UTC) I like the concept of these Firewire units, but I'm a little dissapointed that, as far as I can tell, none of them by any manufacturer return more than a single stereo mix. Cool for the studio I guess, but for live applications, it would be great to have at least 2 stereo returns--one for the mains, one for monitoring. --Josh Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Josh > > I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire. > I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the small Satellite. Great idea, though. > > Buzap > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:32:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C4D3BF36; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAKImx0SBT4hu Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060726161939.01c5f5a8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:27:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting plug-in (was: Re: Sampl In-Reply-To: <20060726143615.7E9DE3BF1B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060726143615.7E9DE3BF1B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:32:13 +0000 (UTC) >On 26 jul 2006, at 14.12, gareth whittock wrote: > >>While we're on the subject of vst plugins. Who knows of a decent >>pitch shifter vst, preferrably with some sort of formant preserving >>facility? > >Hi Gareth, > >I thought Chopitch was good when I tried it out. Available as VST for >Mac and Windows at http://www.mathons.com/. > >If you computer runs OSX you should already have Apples AU pitch >shifter onboard. It's comes for free with the system. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen Thanks for the mention Per :-) Unfortunately Chopitch doesn't have any formant facility, and it's not intended for voice ( although I tried on some spoken word from the bbc the other day just for fun, and it sounded great) One of the things Chopitch excels at is making a small drum sound like a large drum, so for a performer who uses hand drums and a lap top (er....Gareth) it's well worth checking out. andy butler www.mathons.com (Chopitch) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:32:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A12403BF2A; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAKImx0SBT4hu Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060726163233.01b11c08@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:32:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #639 In-Reply-To: <20060726151347.5AC6A3BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060726151347.5AC6A3BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:32:51 +0000 (UTC) At 16:13 26/07/2006, you wrote: >Braindoc has a decent free PitchShifter VST called, erm, PitchShifter. >I use it all the time. >http://www.braindoc.de/ >Unfortunately, the site is entirely German. until you click the little flag :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:33:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809203BF3C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C78B26.8000401@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:32:54 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000807030405090107060604" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-2, 07/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:33:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000807030405090107060604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I got way behind when my little girl was born a week-and-a-half ago, and now I fear I'll never catch up! --Josh Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Richard > > >> I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the >> sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. >> > > I actually the same. I know I'm currently active but I know I'll probably drop-off once other subjects will have a higher priority. > > What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list? > The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured way and don't have to scroll through millions of mails.. > > Best regards > Buzap > --------------000807030405090107060604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I got way behind when my little girl was born a week-and-a-half ago, and now I fear I'll never catch up!

    --Josh


    Buzap Buzap wrote: 
    Hi Richard

  
    I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the 
sheer volume of communication that happens on this list. 
    
    
I actually the same. I know I'm currently active but I know I'll probably drop-off once other subjects will have a higher priority.

What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list?
The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured way and don't have to scroll through millions of mails..

Best regards
Buzap
    --------------000807030405090107060604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB4613BF32; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <30DDBA6B-11E6-48AB-8EA5-28C140711272@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--472300252 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:42:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:42:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--472300252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >>>I have a full time job for a fortune 500 company (9-12 hours a day), play music and record CDs on the side, coordinate projects and event, and raise a family with two 14 month twins that get up at 5:30 or 6am in the morning. I can still find the time to send encouraging and useful emails to LD. I don't buy the time argument, because everyone has an issue with time, not just professional musicians. It is about priorities. If a professional musician makes it a priority to proactively get engaged with a community, they will do it, period. Heck, I know folks who sync their email up and do all their correspondence on the plane. And I'm not talking about sending hundreds of emails, but at least a response or comment once in a while so that we know that they are real people who communicate with the external world, and not abstract deities who only communicate through the press and their agents..which seems pretentious as hell to me. Personally, I think fame gets to the heads of some people in the entertainment industry.<<< Kris, you're absolutely right that it's about priorities, and for people for whom music is a hobby, a love, a past-time, their relaxation, sitting chatting about it with a bunch of anonymous emailers is a dream come true. If the rest of your time is spent talking about musical stuff, dealing with music related questions, playing gigs, organising gigs etc. etc. etc. the last thing some people want to do with their free time is talk about music. The one thing that LD has over a lot of other lists is that the level of the discussion is often worth reading. Most music related lists are appalling. I contribute to quite a few online bass forums - partly cos I enjoy it, and partly cos I can write it down in my own mental time sheet as 'promotional' time. But the vast majority of the discussions on the forums a) don't need to happen cos Google has the answers, and b) are of such an inane level, that I really don't have the time or inclination to get involved. When I first got onto LD 7 or so years ago, the level of conversation was consistently high - smaller group, more movers and shakers, and a young list so all the good topics hadn't been exhausted. It's fairly rare that a topic comes up on here that really floats my boat. That's not to say it's not good stuff, just that it's not good for me. So yes, it's all about priorities, and a lot of people's priority structure doesn't include chatting online. that's cool. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-13--472300252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>>I have a full time = job for a fortune 500 company (9-12 hours a day), play music and record = CDs on the side, coordinate projects and event, and raise a family with = two 14 month twins that get up at 5:30 or 6am in the morning.=A0 I can = still find the time to send encouraging and useful emails to LD. I don't = buy the time argument, because everyone has an issue with time, not just = professional musicians.=A0 It is about priorities. If a professional = musician makes it a priority to proactively get engaged with a = community, they will do it, period. Heck, I know folks who sync their = email up and do all their correspondence on the plane. And I'm not = talking about sending hundreds of emails, but at least a response or = comment once in a while so that we know that they are real people who = communicate with the external world, and not abstract deities who only = communicate through the press and their agents..which seems pretentious = as hell to me.=A0 Personally, I think fame gets to the heads of some = people in the entertainment = industry.<<<

    Kris,=A0

    you're absolutely = right that it's about priorities, and for people for whom music is a = hobby, a love, a past-time, their relaxation, sitting chatting about it = with a bunch of anonymous emailers is a dream come true. If the rest of = your time is spent talking about musical stuff, dealing with music = related questions, playing gigs, organising gigs etc. etc. etc. the last = thing some people want to do with their free time is talk about = music.=A0

    The one thing that = LD has over a lot of other lists is that the level of the discussion is = often worth reading. Most music related lists are appalling. I = contribute to quite a few online bass forums - partly cos I enjoy it, = and partly cos I can write it down in my own mental time sheet as = 'promotional' time. But the vast majority of the discussions on the = forums a) don't need to happen cos Google has the answers, and b) are of = such an inane level, that I really don't have the time or inclination to = get involved.=A0

    When I first got = onto LD 7 or so years ago, the level of conversation was consistently = high - smaller group, more movers and shakers, and a young list so all = the good topics hadn't been exhausted. It's fairly rare that a topic = comes up on here that really floats my boat. That's not to say it's not = good stuff, just that it's not good for = me.=A0

    So yes, it's all = about priorities, and a lot of people's priority structure doesn't = include chatting online. that's cool.=A0

    http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
    www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



    = --Apple-Mail-13--472300252-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:46:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6AA3BF21; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C78E41.70306@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:46:09 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: E-mu 1616 References: <44C64145.8040607@infinivert.com> <20060726144735.136560@gmx.net> <44C78AE2.4090304@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <44C78AE2.4090304@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060801080304010603030409" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-2, 07/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:46:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060801080304010603030409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, so is anybody using the E-mu 1616 or 1616M? If so: * Does it work well for you? * Does it seem sturdy? * What do you think of the built in effects? * Have you dealt with customer support, and if so how was the experience? Thanks again! --Josh Joshua Carroll wrote: > I like the concept of these Firewire units, but I'm a little > dissapointed that, as far as I can tell, none of them by any > manufacturer return more than a single stereo mix. Cool for the > studio I guess, but for live applications, it would be great to have > at least 2 stereo returns--one for the mains, one for monitoring. > > --Josh > > Buzap Buzap wrote: >> Hi Josh >> >> I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire. >> I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the >> small Satellite. Great idea, though. >> >> Buzap >> >> >> > > > > --------------060801080304010603030409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, so is anybody using the E-mu 1616 or 1616M?  If so:

    • Does it work well for you?
    • Does it seem sturdy?
    • What do you think of the built in effects?
    • Have you dealt with customer support, and if so how was the experience?
    Thanks again!

    --Josh



    Joshua Carroll wrote:
    I like the concept of these Firewire units, but I'm a little dissapointed that, as far as I can tell, none of them by any manufacturer return more than a single stereo mix.  Cool for the studio I guess, but for live applications, it would be great to have at least 2 stereo returns--one for the mains, one for monitoring.

    --Josh

    Buzap Buzap wrote:
    Hi Josh

    I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire.
    I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the small Satellite. Great idea, though.

    Buzap


     




    --------------060801080304010603030409-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 15:51:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDAE53BF3A; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Krispen Hartung" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:50:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Sheer Volume & RC50 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44C79D67.19968.1D732A5@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <0fc901c6b0c5$2e0a7140$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:51:52 +0000 (UTC) On 26 Jul 2006 at 9:07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > the need to read everything I see. I get hundreds of emails a day Ditto, which is why I'd prefer it if the digest messages could be made larger, so I had fewer of them! Most digests I receive have 20/30 messages - loopersD can have as few as 4, but I sometimes get 3/4 on the trot (and hey! naother has just arrived!) , which isn't quite a "daily" digest. Re the rc50 video, I tend to believe the looping is more of a state of mind and an approach to creating music, rather than using the latest technology to show how clever you are. The guitarist in the video in question is treating the looper as a multitrack recorder to allow him to widdle to his own riffs. This is all well and good, but if you listen to true creative loopers, they are creating expressive and original music, not just jamming over a backing track. The majority of designers of looping pedals clearly have the multitrack mentality to the fore, but they kind of miss the point to my way of thinking. To this day, the most interesting and creative things I do use a 20 year old Powertran DDL that a friend added extra memory to. It has no click track, no quantise, no undo or flash memory and it wouldn't know what to do with a midi cable, but it's *musical*. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:04:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E692A3BF15; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <660400595.1153768053507.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> References: <660400595.1153768053507.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:11:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2006 16:04:21.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[28002440:01C6B0CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) >I don't want to spend a year of sleepless nights >reading manals into the wee hours (and keeping my lovely wife >awake). Reading manuals >is not gratifying to my music making urge. I like certain aspects of >Max MSP (in concept) >but find the prospect daunting. I also find Reaktor attractive. It >eeams a lot like Reason >in terms of GUI (but what do I know). in general I feel I had to read more manuals for the HW units like Lexicon than for plugins and some audio soft that often explain themselves better. Max is hard, Plogue Bidule is much easier and cheaper. I spent more time with obscure computer behaviors though -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 781403BF27; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:05:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2006 16:05:08.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[4418D460:01C6B0CD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:05:09 +0000 (UTC) thats exactly what I felt, Brother ! I copied my post to him and he answered in a nice mail yesterday that he supposes that we want him to share his knowledge - which shows how clean his heart is :-) I answered carefully that he might have a look at what has been done before he sais too much in public. hug Matthias > >Of course, our music is completely different and I have used many >more kinds of instruments >than these and am definitely more outside than this guy, but it's >still a little unsettling to my >fragile little ego. > >He's like my straight music doppleganger..................lol!!!!!! > > >I wish we could communicate with him to let him know that he's upsetting >people by not knowing his history and also to lovingly invite him to >join us at Loopers Delight. > > He's obviously a very talented guy >and an engaging performer. > >yours, > >Rick Walker >aka |()()p.p()()| >www.looppool.info -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:13:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7AF23BF32; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:13:22 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 26th July 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 26th July 06 ============================= DIE FORM / Ad Infinitum (Metropolis Records) V.A. / Darklife & interstice sampler 2005 (Urgence Disk Records) Sunao Inami / repeater (electr-ohm) V.A. / SUBOUT (Waldorf records) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:21:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC9F3BF1E; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <25317769.1153930903123.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 9:21:43 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: nick@12testing.net Subject: Re: Sheer Volume & RC50 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:21:48 +0000 (UTC) //if you listen to true creative loopers, they are creating expressive and original music, not just jamming over a backing track. // You're f*cking kidding, right? -- Paul Richards ---- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > On 26 Jul 2006 at 9:07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > the need to read everything I see. I get hundreds of emails a day > > Ditto, which is why I'd prefer it if the digest messages could be > made larger, so I had fewer of them! Most digests I receive have > 20/30 messages - loopersD can have as few as 4, but I sometimes get > 3/4 on the trot (and hey! naother has just arrived!) , which isn't > quite a "daily" digest. > > Re the rc50 video, I tend to believe the looping is more of a state > of mind and an approach to creating music, rather than using the > latest technology to show how clever you are. The guitarist in the > video in question is treating the looper as a multitrack recorder to > allow him to widdle to his own riffs. This is all well and good, but > if you listen to true creative loopers, they are creating expressive > and original music, not just jamming over a backing track. > > The majority of designers of looping pedals clearly have the > multitrack mentality to the fore, but they kind of miss the point to > my way of thinking. To this day, the most interesting and creative > things I do use a 20 year old Powertran DDL that a friend added extra > memory to. It has no click track, no quantise, no undo or flash > memory and it wouldn't know what to do with a midi cable, but it's > *musical*. > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4432C3BF30; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060726091909.010ecd78@pop.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:31:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) In-Reply-To: <0fda01c6b0c6$15b53c50$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1E93DA23-6F70-4A2B-886B-C2C1C6162249@steve-lawson.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Why does anyone need to "know that they are real people who communicate with the external world"? That's a bit of an odd expectation. And I don't think lack of communication is a result of fame - more than a few artists that aren't famous don't live up to your expectations either. At 2006.07.26 08:13 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >correspondence on the plane. And I'm not talking about sending hundreds of >emails, but at least a response or comment once in a while so that we know >that they are real people who communicate with the external world, and not >abstract deities who only communicate through the press and their >agents..which seems pretentious as hell to me. Personally, I think fame >gets to the heads of some people in the entertainment industry. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:32:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63C4F3BF3C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4069.128.193.37.230.1153931543.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <31b.bafa900.31f8da3f@aol.com> References: <31b.bafa900.31f8da3f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Subject Headers (Was: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <2W5EbD.A.K2E.Zk5xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:32:25 +0000 (UTC) > that's why subject headers are sooooooooo very important..... Try to change your subject header for each new subject introduced if you want to communicate with more than the most, uh, _well-read_ LD members. Folks like me delete whole threads that we're not interested in after reading the first couple of posts. Life is too short to do otherwise. Peace, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:43:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 247123BF27; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4071.128.193.37.230.1153932203.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <30DDBA6B-11E6-48AB-8EA5-28C140711272@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <30DDBA6B-11E6-48AB-8EA5-28C140711272@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: famous folks on list From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Steve wrote: > you're absolutely right that it's about priorities, and for people > for whom music is a hobby, a love, a past-time, their relaxation, > sitting chatting about it with a bunch of anonymous emailers is a > dream come true. If the rest of your time is spent talking about > musical stuff, dealing with music related questions, playing gigs, > organising gigs etc. etc. etc. the last thing some people want to do > with their free time is talk about music. Very well-put, Steve. I have a day job, music has become my second job, and now I draw for relaxation. I love both my jobs but there are limits to how much I can work until my brain becomes mush. I also now spend more time with my real-world friends in non-job-related situations. Having said that, LD is a wonderful resource that's taught me a lot in the few months I've been on it. I've been privileged to meet some great and talented people online who I hope to meet someday face-to-face. LD is one of the best mailing lists I've ever subscribed to. Peace, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:56:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559893BF15; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4094.128.193.37.230.1153933011.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <0fda01c6b0c6$15b53c50$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <1E93DA23-6F70-4A2B-886B-C2C1C6162249@steve-lawson.co.uk> <0fda01c6b0c6$15b53c50$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: famous folks on list From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:56:53 +0000 (UTC) > I have a full time job for a fortune 500 company...If a professional musician > makes it a priority to proactively get engaged with a community, they will do > it, period. Kris, you are one of the core members of LD. I especially appreciate your hard work for and dedication to the LD community. LD doesn't need validation by "famous" folks to be a huge influence on loopers. LD already is a huge influence. Fame is more a matter of taking care of business than raw talent. For a little insight into how much work a mid-level band has to put into touring--and touring is the only way for most bands to make a living these days--check out the DVD "Beulah: A Good Band is Easy to Kill". If your local video store doesn't have it, you can get it for less than 10 bucks online. Unknown bands have to put in even more work. Kris, I can tell from your description that your work level would kill me in a month. Not everybody is gifted with your stamina and focus. But I'm very grateful for all the energy that you add to the LD community. Peace, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 16:59:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1AD3BF1C; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: How to avoid RC-50 glitch? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c6b0d4$f860b300$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <85_blB.A.3YG.B-5xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone on this list know under which circumstances the dreaded RC-50 glitch (or stutter, or whatever) occurs? That is, what can one do during performance to avoid it consistently? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 17:06:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFFDF3BF2E; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:06:04 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: E-mu 1616 In-reply-to: <44C78E41.70306@infinivert.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44C7A0FC.3020302@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9kdeLPIzDibvS7JOXZVY+g)" X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <44C64145.8040607@infinivert.com> <20060726144735.136560@gmx.net> <44C78AE2.4090304@infinivert.com> <44C78E41.70306@infinivert.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 SeaMonkey/1.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <9pmsjB.A.azG.XE6xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9kdeLPIzDibvS7JOXZVY+g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Joshua Carroll wrote: > OK, so is anybody using the E-mu 1616 or 1616M? If so: > > * Does it work well for you? > * Does it seem sturdy? > * What do you think of the built in effects? > * Have you dealt with customer support, and if so how was the > experience? > > Thanks again! > > --Josh Hi, Josh. I got an E-MU1616m when they first came out and have been very happy with it. I use it at home in the studio plus take it to gigs and recording sessions, and it is good and sturdy. I haven't used the built-in effects, to be honest. I called customer support once when I got it and the techie was very helpful. Andrew > > > > Joshua Carroll wrote: >> I like the concept of these Firewire units, but I'm a little >> dissapointed that, as far as I can tell, none of them by any >> manufacturer return more than a single stereo mix. Cool for the >> studio I guess, but for live applications, it would be great to have >> at least 2 stereo returns--one for the mains, one for monitoring. >> >> --Josh >> >> Buzap Buzap wrote: >>> Hi Josh >>> >>> I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire. >>> I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the >>> small Satellite. Great idea, though. >>> >>> Buzap >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/399 - Release Date: 25/07/2006 > -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks --Boundary_(ID_9kdeLPIzDibvS7JOXZVY+g) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Joshua Carroll wrote:
    OK, so is anybody using the E-mu 1616 or 1616M?  If so:

    • Does it work well for you?
    • Does it seem sturdy?
    • What do you think of the built in effects?
    • Have you dealt with customer support, and if so how was the experience?
    Thanks again!

    --Josh
    Hi, Josh.
    I got an E-MU1616m when they first came out and have been very happy with
    it.  I use it at home in the studio plus take it to gigs and recording sessions, and
    it is good and sturdy.  I haven't used the built-in effects, to be honest.  I called
    customer support once when I got it and the techie was very helpful.
    Andrew



    Joshua Carroll wrote:
    I like the concept of these Firewire units, but I'm a little dissapointed that, as far as I can tell, none of them by any manufacturer return more than a single stereo mix.  Cool for the studio I guess, but for live applications, it would be great to have at least 2 stereo returns--one for the mains, one for monitoring.

    --Josh

    Buzap Buzap wrote:
    Hi Josh

    I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire.
    I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the small Satellite. Great idea, though.

    Buzap


      




    
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    --Boundary_(ID_9kdeLPIzDibvS7JOXZVY+g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 17:26:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7383BF1E; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 335538833 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9498@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: should we name it echoing ? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:26:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.84CB70AC" Resent-Message-ID: <3RKDP.A.ZiH.7W6xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:26:19 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.84CB70AC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >> As one of my first great teachers used to repeatedly say, "FOCUS!" << was he jan akkermann? :-) *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.84CB70AC Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" RE: should we name it echoing ?

     >> As one of my first great teachers used to repeatedly say, "FOCUS!" <<

    was he jan akkermann? :-)

     



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     ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.84CB70AC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 17:31:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57E993BF30; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YmOIAZu458iPj3n+C3IYj8nEcsdK+mNhkNTouMcKhTtyf0nNfwGtEBlVjmmDyNqEXuGEmOZoQdqhqQttP5m0j8GYeKyKC6a/Qc8gcYb9zXercmq9CbRYci49vTnQuhWJfNNsTPoRadY2GgMyvIq1syj6LL8F8TQlJOdxIWqab4U= ; Message-ID: <20060726173110.83235.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mac, Rax, Augustus Loop (was: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9EB37350-485B-44B2-BA52-3409C4CC3C4E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:31:12 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > I don't think I > would be able to > handle more than three simultaneous looping > processes anyway. Isn't that the truth? With an 8 stereo track looper in my clutches I've never gone higher than 3 tracks. One haveing 2-3 loops in it and the others one. I can't imagine being able to deal with much more. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 17:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2AF13BF27; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tUNz6dmxrgT7y9P40MymAZRCvZ1CuWtlMLkcmqzzbDeNMgYYwOpcz368w7mCjSbZ/+2Pxizxd+a3vkNzHYkeXZvSL45bYa+iC4VZ6WTB1/rd2kvg7OJofjn03xDgNq7MDjAU1hLP5OW6r5EnuAi/0egVqAx8fUpq98sShDW1FhQ= ; Message-ID: <20060726174046.64755.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT (somewhat) What DAW for the Mac do you recommend? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:40:47 +0000 (UTC) So. In my similar quest to virtualize my gear I've decided to upgrade my main desktop computer. It's a Mac and needs to be that as I use it for work sometimes and all my versions of software is Macintosh. Also, I like them better. Anyway, I'm set on a dual 2.3 gighz G5 machine. My question is this: I've been a MOTU Digital Performer user for years... but I'm not sure why. Parts of it bother me. The fact that it won't deal with vst, the fact that it takes about 3 minutes to launch for some reason... the fact that they crippled a possibly great looper (POLAR) by not giving it a feedback control... etc. Also recent emails to MOTU about fixing the glacial boot time were like communicating with an Oak tree. Should it take 2 weeks to answer a fairly simple question, and after those weeks shouldn't the answer contain some information? (YES I ALREADY TRIED DISK REPAIR AND REPAIR PERMISSIONS!) So in the Mac world what's the shiz-nit? I want stable decent sequencing/audio recording, some good effects... maybe some groove quantize features and the ability to run my vsts/au from inside it. Doesn't seem like a lot to ask... oh yeah it also has to play nice with a MOTU 828 and a MOTU Microexpress as I don't feel they need upgrading. I know you people are the best and the brightest. Let me drink of your knowledge. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 17:46:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A87753BF39; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: 0.9 X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-Filter: ADD_INSERT_HEADER_INFO X-MID: 435309911 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9497@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: forum vs list (was Sheer Volume on this List) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:24:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.6B9EFC66" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:46:58 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.6B9EFC66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list? The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured way and don't have to scroll through millions of mails..<< yeah, but with forums you are less likely to read something by accident & think "oh, actually that was interesting/diverting/useful/whatever" I find myself visiting forums quite infrequently, & usually only when a topic-reply-notification pops up. the digests I get of this list are actually quite easy to deal with. I can dip into a "thread", even if the subject line is misleading or (for me, anyway) off-topic, & if I'm interested, I can back-track & read the rest of it. sometimes I don't see them for days, then read through dozens of mails in about twenty minutes. I might visit a forum once a week, or even not at all unless I'm looking for something specific. another way to look at it is that forums tend to be useful for support & faq type stuff, while a list is free to engage in open-ended discussions & from time to time even revisit old ground, intentionally or not. in the case of this list, that nicely reflects it's main subject matter..... :-) someone help me get this fence out of my arse. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.6B9EFC66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable forum vs list (was Sheer Volume on this List)

    >>What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead = of a mailling list?
    The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a = structured way and don't have to scroll through millions of mails..<<=

    yeah, but with forums you are less likely to read somethi= ng by accident & think "oh, actually that was interesting/divertin= g/useful/whatever"

    I find myself visiting forums quite infrequently, & u= sually only when a topic-reply-notification pops up.

    the digests I get of this list are actually quite easy to= deal with. I can dip into a "thread", even if the subject line i= s misleading or (for me, anyway) off-topic, & if I'm interested, I can = back-track & read the rest of it. sometimes I don't see them for days, = then read through dozens of mails in about twenty minutes.

    I might visit a forum once a week, or even not at all unl= ess I'm looking for something specific.

    another way to look at it is that forums tend to be usefu= l for support & faq type stuff, while a list is free to engage in open-= ended discussions & from time to time even revisit old ground, intentio= nally or not. in the case of this list, that nicely reflects it's main subj= ect matter..... :-)

    someone help me get this fence out of my arse.

    d.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B0D8.6B9EFC66-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 17:57:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E9313BF29; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060726174046.64755.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060726174046.64755.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT (somewhat) What DAW for the Mac do you recommend? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:57:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) I love Digital Performer (been with it since it was performer 1.8). In=20= fact, it is an important part of my life, I can't imagine life without=20= it. :-) I run it on two different machines, a g4 laptop and g4 desktop.=20= It is bulletproof on my machines, so I'm sorry to hear about your=20 problems. BUT, I have stayed with 4.6....I've heard of problems with v5...various=20= bugs. It would seem that Logic is your next, erm, logical choice....I've seen=20= some people do some amazing things in it, even in live performances as=20= a real-time processing tool. BUT I do some studio trumpet work for a=20 big-time studio that uses it (that's right, they don't use pro tools),=20= and it crashed regularly the last two sessions there.... I think if you know DP well, you might just hang in there with it and=20 wait for the next stable updates, and then stick with that version=20 until your machine dies...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:40 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > So. > > In my similar quest to virtualize my gear I've decided > to upgrade my main desktop computer. It's a Mac and > needs to be that as I use it for work sometimes and > all my versions of software is Macintosh. Also, I > like them better. Anyway, I'm set on a dual 2.3 gighz > G5 machine. > > My question is this: I've been a MOTU Digital > Performer user for years... but I'm not sure why. > Parts of it bother me. The fact that it won't deal > with vst, the fact that it takes about 3 minutes to > launch for some reason... the fact that they crippled > a possibly great looper (POLAR) by not giving it a > feedback control... etc. Also recent emails to MOTU > about fixing the glacial boot time were like > communicating with an Oak tree. Should it take 2 > weeks to answer a fairly simple question, and after > those weeks shouldn't the answer contain some > information? (YES I ALREADY TRIED DISK REPAIR AND > REPAIR PERMISSIONS!) > > So in the Mac world what's the shiz-nit? I want > stable decent sequencing/audio recording, some good > effects... maybe some groove quantize features and the > ability to run my vsts/au from inside it. Doesn't > seem like a lot to ask... oh yeah it also has to play > nice with a MOTU 828 and a MOTU Microexpress as I > don't feel they need upgrading. > > I know you people are the best and the brightest. Let > me drink of your knowledge. > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:01:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D5033BF3E; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060726174046.64755.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060726174046.64755.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8751325705c6423471ab321fd7333c46@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: OT (somewhat) What DAW for the Mac do you recommend? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:00:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah, I use a vst wrapper in DP.....works great.=20 http://www.audioease.com/ Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:40 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > The fact that it won't deal > with vst,=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:18:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE23E3BF11; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ff401c6b0df$d3174130$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00b301c6b096$1dda3320$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <0f2901c6b0b2$e08d6d30$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <57a4866c229cb472f40e85e496679a69@glasswing.com> <20060726144549.136590@gmx.net> <0fc901c6b0c5$2e0a7140$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <2fb9e4730607260817u4ae0c924i16c8f1ff130ad350@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:17:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0FEF_01C6B0AD.877D89A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:18:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0FEF_01C6B0AD.877D89A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a great recommendation, Clint. I am guilty of changing subjects = and not reflecting it in the subject heading. I'll make a point to do = that more now. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clint Allen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List Speaking for myself, I often find it hard to gauge what might be = interesting, based off of the subject lines. Many times I have deleted emails in = this forum only to find out later that there was some very interesting discussion = going on.=20 Other times, exactly the opposite or I have read through volumes to = find nothing. I think there needs to be a more of an effort to change subject lines = when the=20 thread starts to change, which it so often does.=20 I've nothing really to offer on this subject other than to say I'd = rather recieve as much info as possible and have the option to delete, than vice-versa.=20 Clint Allen On 7/26/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: Hmmm...the number of emails on this list has never been a problem to me...it's all about being able to prioritize on the fly and not feel = the need to read everything I see. I get hundreds of emails a day from = work, sit=20 on conference calls, lead meetings, someetimes from 6am to 6pm, plus exchange instant messages with my peers while on conference = calls...plus keep up with LD emails and other list emails. It takes a fraction of a second to read the subject heading of an = email and=20 delete it. For me quantity has notning to do with it. The more = time I have, the less emails I delete or leave un-read. Go to digest mode, = or just start sorting by subject heading and deleting multiple emails at the = same=20 time....all this takes mere seconds. Or am I not getting something here? What is taking most of folks = time? Are you tryin to read everything? Seriously, how long does it take to = delete your inbox. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Sheer Volume on this List > Hi Richard > >> I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the >> sheer volume of communication that happens on this list.=20 > > I actually the same. I know I'm currently active but I know I'll = probably > drop-off once other subjects will have a higher priority. > > What do you guys think of having a FORUM instead of a mailling = list?=20 > The good thing about forums is that you can browse in a structured = way and > don't have to scroll through millions of mails.. > > Best regards > Buzap > -- > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft f=FCr 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! = > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > ------=_NextPart_000_0FEF_01C6B0AD.877D89A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    That's a great recommendation, Clint. I = am guilty=20 of changing subjects and not reflecting it in the subject heading. I'll = make a=20 point to do that more now.
     
    K-
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Clint=20 Allen
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 = 9:17=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on = this=20 List

    Speaking for myself, I often find it hard to gauge what = might=20 be interesting,
    based off of the subject lines. Many times I have = deleted=20 emails in this forum
    only to find out later that there was some = very=20 interesting discussion going on.
    Other times, exactly the opposite = or I=20 have read through volumes to find nothing.

    I think there needs = to be a=20 more of an effort to change subject lines when the
    thread starts = to=20 change, which it so often does.

    I've nothing really to offer = on this=20 subject other than to say I'd rather recieve as much info
    as = possible and=20 have the option to delete, than vice-versa.

    Clint = Allen


    On 7/26/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
    Hmmm...the=20 number of emails on this list has never been a problem = to
    me...it's all=20 about being able to prioritize on the fly and not feel the
    need = to read=20 everything I see. I get hundreds of emails a day from work, sit =
    on=20 conference calls, lead meetings, someetimes from 6am to 6pm,=20 plus
    exchange instant messages with my peers while on conference=20 calls...plus
    keep up with LD emails and other list = emails.

    It=20 takes a fraction of a second to read the subject heading of an email = and=20
    delete it.   For me quantity has notning to do with = it. The=20 more time I
    have, the less emails I delete or leave=20 un-read.  Go to digest mode, or just
    start sorting by = subject=20 heading and deleting multiple emails at the same
    time....all = this takes=20 mere seconds.

    Or am I not getting something = here?  What is=20 taking most of folks time? Are
    you tryin to read everything? = Seriously,=20 how long does it take to delete
    your = inbox.

    Kris

    -----=20 Original Message -----
    From: "Buzap Buzap" <buzap@gmx.net>
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 >
    Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:45 AM
    Subject: Sheer = Volume=20 on this List


    > Hi Richard
    >
    >> I think = some=20 folks ..are overwhelmed by the
    >> sheer volume of = communication=20 that happens on this list.
    >
    > I actually the same. I = know I'm=20 currently active but I know I'll probably
    > drop-off once = other=20 subjects will have a higher priority.
    >
    > What do you = guys think=20 of having a FORUM instead of a mailling list?
    > The good = thing about=20 forums is that you can browse in a structured way and
    > don't = have to=20 scroll through millions of mails..
    >
    > Best = regards
    >=20 Buzap
    > --
    >
    >
    > Echte DSL-Flatrate = dauerhaft f=FCr=20 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit!
    > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl>
    >



    ------=_NextPart_000_0FEF_01C6B0AD.877D89A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:20:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABDC43BF2D; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ffd01c6b0e0$1fd196b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060726152841.14526.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: LD Forum Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:20:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0FFA_01C6B0AD.D43F8040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:20:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0FFA_01C6B0AD.D43F8040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What would be cool, to prevent having a redundant system, is a program = that used the data from the LD archive to show a web-based discussion = thread view of the list...and then make it so that you can view a = message and click a "respond" button. I don't know how Kim has the = database setup, but it seems like the technology is out there to do = this. So, it wouldn't be a separate forum, but just another view and = user interface of the LD list. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony Douglas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List I'm pretty much with Kris on this one - I delete incoming mails quite = freely, safe in the knowledge that there's always the archive to look up = if I feel the need later. And I'm adopting the "duck and cover" approach to the forum question = ;) ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used = cars online search now=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- ------=_NextPart_000_0FFA_01C6B0AD.D43F8040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    What would be cool, to prevent having a = redundant=20 system, is a program that used the data from the LD archive to show a = web-based=20 discussion thread view of the list...and then make it so that you can = view a=20 message and click a "respond" button.  I don't know how Kim has the = database setup, but it seems like the technology is out there to do = this. So, it=20 wouldn't be a separate forum, but just another view and user interface = of the LD=20 list.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony Douglas
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 = 9:28=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on = this=20 List

    I'm pretty much with Kris on this one - I delete = incoming mails=20 quite freely, safe in the knowledge that there's always the archive to = look up=20 if I feel the need later.

    And I'm adopting the "duck and cover" = approach to the forum question ;) !

    Yahoo!=20 Cars NEW - sell your car and browse = thousands of=20 new and used cars online search=20 now
    ------=_NextPart_000_0FFA_01C6B0AD.D43F8040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:28:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A264D3BF48; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <335.eaf7400.31f90e34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:28:04 EDT Subject: Re: How to avoid RC-50 glitch? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_335.eaf7400.31f90e34_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:28:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_335.eaf7400.31f90e34_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the "glitch", "stutter", "hiccup", etc. occurs at the point which you end the recording of a given phrase (loop) and the point at which the playback of that phrase begins to playback. this happens regardless of whether you have accurately nailed the rhythm and timing of the phrase. in other words, even if you complete a flawless phrase there will be a slight delay before initial playback. if you have indeed nailed it, the phrase will sound fine after the first playback. this glitch has been reported to be about .5 seconds. enough intially to think you've lost your mind or your ability to keep time. the best way to deal with it is to "play through" the first beat of the first playback. there have been several reports of a software update to address this, perhaps in autumn? john --part1_335.eaf7400.31f90e34_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the "glitch", "stutter", "hiccup", etc.= occurs at the point which you end the recording of a given phrase (loop) an= d the point at which the playback of that phrase begins to playback.  =20= this happens regardless of whether you have accurately nailed the rhythm and= timing of the phrase.  in other words, even if you complete a flawles= s phrase there will be a slight delay before initial playback.&= nbsp; if you have indeed nailed it, the phrase will sound fine after the fi= rst playback.  this glitch has been reported to be about .5 seconds.&n= bsp; enough intially to think you've lost your mind or your ability to keep= time.

    the best way to deal with it is to "play through" the first beat of the firs= t playback.  there have been several reports of a software update to a= ddress this, perhaps in autumn?

    john     --part1_335.eaf7400.31f90e34_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:33:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D02053BF25; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <104b01c6b0e2$0ad00420$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1E93DA23-6F70-4A2B-886B-C2C1C6162249@steve-lawson.co.uk> <5.2.1.1.0.20060726091909.010ecd78@pop.powweb.com> Subject: Re: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:33:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Well, I was being partially humorous. To translate, I notice a pattern that the more popular and successful entertainers get, the less they socialize with those lower on the totem pole. There are exceptions of course, and if you are REALLY famous then it is impossible to keep up with your fan email. I just don't think it necessarily follows that the more successful or popular someone gets, the less they have to correspond with others lower in the pyramid. I mean, you can't rule out the possibility that as some artists get famous and popular, their egos get bigger and they dis-associate themselves with their fans and past peers. This does happen, not with everyone, but with some, and that is the behavior I am referring to in the context of looping...because we're not talking about looping like a Britney Spears phenomenon...it seems to be that the really successful loopers in the public eye (relatively speaking) should be able to be the "leaders" of communities like this. I believe, and this is my opinion, they should be on the forefront of the community, leading by example, proactively introducing new topics and possibilities, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Echevarria" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) > Why does anyone need to "know that they are real people who communicate > with the external world"? That's a bit of an odd expectation. And I > don't think lack of communication is a result of fame - more than a few > artists that aren't famous don't live up to your expectations either. > > > At 2006.07.26 08:13 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>correspondence on the plane. And I'm not talking about sending hundreds of >>emails, but at least a response or comment once in a while so that we know >>that they are real people who communicate with the external world, and not >>abstract deities who only communicate through the press and their >>agents..which seems pretentious as hell to me. Personally, I think fame >>gets to the heads of some people in the entertainment industry. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:38:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC6B13BF39; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <107e01c6b0e2$aa456590$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1E93DA23-6F70-4A2B-886B-C2C1C6162249@steve-lawson.co.uk> <0fda01c6b0c6$15b53c50$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4094.128.193.37.230.1153933011.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: famous folks on list Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:38:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3pKQVD.A.ioD.da7xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Kevin. I appreciate it. I admit I am shooting for the ideal here by asking for more "famous" looper interaction. In the end, they will do what they want to do for their own personal reasons. I'll look out for that video. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: famous folks on list >> I have a full time job for a fortune 500 company...If a professional >> musician >> makes it a priority to proactively get engaged with a community, they >> will do >> it, period. > > Kris, you are one of the core members of LD. I especially appreciate your > hard work for and dedication to the LD community. LD doesn't need > validation > by "famous" folks to be a huge influence on loopers. LD already is a huge > influence. Fame is more a matter of taking care of business than raw > talent. > > For a little insight into how much work a mid-level band has to put into > touring--and touring is the only way for most bands to make a living these > days--check out the DVD "Beulah: A Good Band is Easy to Kill". If your > local > video store doesn't have it, you can get it for less than 10 bucks online. > Unknown bands have to put in even more work. > > Kris, I can tell from your description that your work level would kill me > in a > month. Not everybody is gifted with your stamina and focus. But I'm very > grateful for all the energy that you add to the LD community. > > Peace, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:44:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90C73BF3E; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:43:59 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: forum vs list (was Sheer Volume on this List) Message-ID: <8D2C547F049CDB42E9C9F676@[192.168.1.106]> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9497@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9497@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad. viacom.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:44:38 +0000 (UTC) > I find myself visiting forums quite infrequently, & usually only when a > topic-reply-notification pops up. I go in cycles. There are times when I visit forums quite often and there are other times when I don't visit them at all. To be perfectly fair, I tend to do the same thing with mailing lists. Something to remember is that there is room in the world to have both a loopers' mailing list and a loopers' forum. Being a manufacturer, it makes it difficult for me to run an impartial forum, but if somebody else here wants to create a forum, I'd be happy to help sponsor it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 18:46:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7637C3BF1D; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:46:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C7B86D.3010907@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:46:05 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: E-mu 1616 References: <44C64145.8040607@infinivert.com> <20060726144735.136560@gmx.net> <44C78AE2.4090304@infinivert.com> <44C78E41.70306@infinivert.com> <44C7A0FC.3020302@andrew-duke.com> In-Reply-To: <44C7A0FC.3020302@andrew-duke.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050903050407090608010402" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-2, 07/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:46:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050903050407090608010402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is great to hear! From the research I've done, that seems to be the common response. I did read a couple negative reviews on Harmony Central, but they were from guys who actually owned older Emu gear (not the 1616) and were angry with Emu in general. It's good to hear that you had a good experience with their tech support! Thanks for the info! --Josh Andrew Duke wrote: > Joshua Carroll wrote: >> OK, so is anybody using the E-mu 1616 or 1616M? If so: >> >> * Does it work well for you? >> * Does it seem sturdy? >> * What do you think of the built in effects? >> * Have you dealt with customer support, and if so how was the >> experience? >> >> Thanks again! >> >> --Josh > Hi, Josh. > I got an E-MU1616m when they first came out and have been very happy with > it. I use it at home in the studio plus take it to gigs and recording > sessions, and > it is good and sturdy. I haven't used the built-in effects, to be > honest. I called > customer support once when I got it and the techie was very helpful. > Andrew >> >> >> >> Joshua Carroll wrote: >>> I like the concept of these Firewire units, but I'm a little >>> dissapointed that, as far as I can tell, none of them by any >>> manufacturer return more than a single stereo mix. Cool for the >>> studio I guess, but for live applications, it would be great to have >>> at least 2 stereo returns--one for the mains, one for monitoring. >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> Buzap Buzap wrote: >>>> Hi Josh >>>> >>>> I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire. >>>> I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the >>>> small Satellite. Great idea, though. >>>> >>>> Buzap >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/399 - Release Date: 25/07/2006 >> > > > -- > Andrew Duke > scoring/sound design/source > http://andrew-duke.com > http://myspace.com/andrewduke > http://cognitionaudioworks.com > http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks > --------------050903050407090608010402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is great to hear!  From the research I've done, that seems to be the common response.  I did read a couple negative reviews on Harmony Central, but they were from guys who actually owned older Emu gear (not the 1616) and were angry with Emu in general.  It's good to hear that you had a good experience with their tech support!

    Thanks for the info!

    --Josh



    Andrew Duke wrote:
    Joshua Carroll wrote:
    OK, so is anybody using the E-mu 1616 or 1616M?  If so:

    • Does it work well for you?
    • Does it seem sturdy?
    • What do you think of the built in effects?
    • Have you dealt with customer support, and if so how was the experience?
    Thanks again!

    --Josh
    Hi, Josh.
    I got an E-MU1616m when they first came out and have been very happy with
    it.  I use it at home in the studio plus take it to gigs and recording sessions, and
    it is good and sturdy.  I haven't used the built-in effects, to be honest.  I called
    customer support once when I got it and the techie was very helpful.
    Andrew



    Joshua Carroll wrote:
    I like the concept of these Firewire units, but I'm a little dissapointed that, as far as I can tell, none of them by any manufacturer return more than a single stereo mix.  Cool for the studio I guess, but for live applications, it would be great to have at least 2 stereo returns--one for the mains, one for monitoring.

    --Josh

    Buzap Buzap wrote:
    Hi Josh

    I'm using it's "big brother", the Mackie Onyx 1220 with Firewire.
    I'm very pleased with it - yet, don't know how it relates to the small Satellite. Great idea, though.

    Buzap


      




    
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reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <8l9AEC.A.txF.M77xEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Many thanks for the pitch shifting plug in recommendations. As I've said before, the combined knowledge and expertise of this list is a highly valued resource for myself. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 19:41:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9D7D3BF1B; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10a101c6b0eb$84885c50$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <30DDBA6B-11E6-48AB-8EA5-28C140711272@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:41:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_109E_01C6B0B9.39090A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:41:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_109E_01C6B0B9.39090A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All good points Steve, and small ones at that! What is that, 5 point = font? :) I had to get my microfiche reader out. I wanted to offer one last analogy with the corporate world to reinforce = our thoughts below, which may also wrap some warm and fuzzies around the = thread...and then I'll stop. At my company, we have several layers and hierarchies of management, = from first line managers, to directors, to VPs, country, business unit = and function executives, to our CEO, which on average is about 5-8 = levels from individual contributor to CEO. I guess you could consider = these folks famous, in our own ecosystem of over 100,000 employees. Many = of these executives put in some intense work days, often 16-18 hours a = day, talking to customers, traveling the world, speaking, making high = impact decisions, etc. They live their jobs and they get paid = accordingly. Whenever anyone think they have a busy job, even a = professional musician, they should conceptualize the job of a corporate = executive. They are extremely high stress, high accountability, and time = intensive...and their heads are on the chopping block to drive results = for the company. They don't entertain, they drive the health of the = company, upon which many peoples' careers and lives are at stake. Moreover, typically we will have third and fourth level executives who = rarely exchange emails with teams of individual contributors (non-people = manager). That is just the way they do business and it is their = management style. Neither right nor wrong. However, on occasion, a high = level executive will actually participate in an email discussions with = team of individual contributors, because they feel it is important to be = present on the front lines. And they will do this on a regular basis. MAIN POINT: I can say from experience that this above interaction = between executives and employees generates a lot of positive morale in = the company, and generally creates more respect of our leaders when they = do this. It makes people feel good to know that their leaders and = visionaries care about what they think, talk to them, listen to them, = engage them, etc. It breaks down those idealistic walls of proletariat = and bourgeoisie. I think the same can be the case for the music industry. And we've even = seen it on our very own LD list. Just recently, a well known looper = posted something on our list, and it appeared that people liked = this...it brightened up their day and outlook on the list, their art, = etc. And I have to believe that if a famous looper can increase the = morale of a discussion group and make people feel good about what they = do, inform them, offer bits of advice and wisdom, etc....that the = feeling will be mutual. Usually, when we do good things that make others = feel good, it makes us feel good ourselves. So it can be a win-win = situation. And this is why I really value the opinons and interaction of loopers = like Steve Lawson, Rick Walker, Sunao, and many others who do this for a = living and our representing us on the front lines of the looper world. = Every time you post to the list, you help build a positive morale and a = stronger infrastructure of the community.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Lawson=20 To: Loop List=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Re famous folks on list (Re: RC-50 video on summer NAMM) >>>I have a full time job for a fortune 500 company (9-12 hours a = day), play music and record CDs on the side, coordinate projects and = event, and raise a family with two 14 month twins that get up at 5:30 or = 6am in the morning. I can still find the time to send encouraging and = useful emails to LD. I don't buy the time argument, because everyone has = an issue with time, not just professional musicians. It is about = priorities. If a professional musician makes it a priority to = proactively get engaged with a community, they will do it, period. Heck, = I know folks who sync their email up and do all their correspondence on = the plane. And I'm not talking about sending hundreds of emails, but at = least a response or comment once in a while so that we know that they = are real people who communicate with the external world, and not = abstract deities who only communicate through the press and their = agents..which seems pretentious as hell to me. Personally, I think fame = gets to the heads of some people in the entertainment industry.<<< Kris,=20 you're absolutely right that it's about priorities, and for people for = whom music is a hobby, a love, a past-time, their relaxation, sitting = chatting about it with a bunch of anonymous emailers is a dream come = true. If the rest of your time is spent talking about musical stuff, = dealing with music related questions, playing gigs, organising gigs etc. = etc. etc. the last thing some people want to do with their free time is = talk about music.=20 The one thing that LD has over a lot of other lists is that the level = of the discussion is often worth reading. Most music related lists are = appalling. I contribute to quite a few online bass forums - partly cos I = enjoy it, and partly cos I can write it down in my own mental time sheet = as 'promotional' time. But the vast majority of the discussions on the = forums a) don't need to happen cos Google has the answers, and b) are of = such an inane level, that I really don't have the time or inclination to = get involved.=20 When I first got onto LD 7 or so years ago, the level of conversation = was consistently high - smaller group, more movers and shakers, and a = young list so all the good topics hadn't been exhausted. It's fairly = rare that a topic comes up on here that really floats my boat. That's = not to say it's not good stuff, just that it's not good for me.=20 So yes, it's all about priorities, and a lot of people's priority = structure doesn't include chatting online. that's cool.=20 Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson ------=_NextPart_000_109E_01C6B0B9.39090A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    All good points Steve, and small ones = at that! What=20 is that, 5 point font? :) I had to get my microfiche reader = out.
     
    I wanted to offer one = last analogy with=20 the corporate world to reinforce our thoughts below, which may also wrap = some=20 warm and fuzzies around the thread...and then I'll stop.
     
    At my company, we have several layers = and=20 hierarchies of management, from first line managers, to directors, to=20 VPs, country, business unit and function executives, to = our CEO,=20 which on average is about 5-8 levels from individual contributor to CEO. = I guess=20 you could consider these folks famous, in our own ecosystem of over = 100,000=20 employees. Many of these executives put in some intense work days, = often=20 16-18 hours a day, talking to customers, traveling the = world, speaking,=20 making high impact decisions, etc. They live their jobs and they get = paid=20 accordingly. Whenever anyone think they have a busy job, even a = professional=20 musician, they should conceptualize the job of a corporate executive. = They are=20 extremely high stress, high accountability, and time intensive...and = their heads=20 are on the chopping block to drive results for the company. They = don't=20 entertain, they drive the health of the company, upon which many = peoples'=20 careers and lives are at stake.
     
    Moreover, typically we will = have third=20 and fourth level executives who rarely exchange emails with teams of = individual=20 contributors (non-people manager). That is just the way they do business = and it=20 is their management style. Neither right nor wrong. However, on = occasion, a high=20 level executive will actually participate in an email discussions with = team of=20 individual contributors, because they feel it is important to be present = on the=20 front lines. And they will do this on a regular basis.
     
    MAIN POINT: I can say from experience = that this=20 above interaction between executives and employees generates a lot of = positive=20 morale in the company, and generally creates more respect of our leaders = when=20 they do this.  It makes people feel good to know that their leaders = and=20 visionaries care about what they think, talk to them, listen to them, = engage=20 them, etc.  It breaks down those idealistic walls of proletariat = and=20 bourgeoisie.
     
    I think the same can be the case for = the music=20 industry. And we've even seen it on our very own LD list. Just recently, = a well=20 known looper posted something on our list, and it appeared that people = liked=20 this...it brightened up their day and outlook on the list, their art, = etc. And I=20 have to believe that if a famous looper can increase the morale of a = discussion=20 group and make people feel good about what they do, inform them, offer = bits of=20 advice and wisdom, etc....that the feeling will be mutual. Usually, when = we do=20 good things that make others feel good, it makes us feel good ourselves. = So it=20 can be a win-win situation.
     
    And this is why I really value the = opinons and=20 interaction of loopers like Steve Lawson, Rick Walker, Sunao, and many = others=20 who do this for a living and our representing us on the front lines of = the=20 looper world. Every time you post to the list, you help build a positive = morale=20 and a stronger infrastructure of the community.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Steve=20 Lawson
    To: Loop List =
    Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 = 9:42=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Re famous folks on = list (Re:=20 RC-50 video on summer NAMM)

    >>>I = have a full time=20 job for a fortune 500 company (9-12 hours a day), play music and = record CDs on=20 the side, coordinate projects and event, and raise a family with two = 14 month=20 twins that get up at 5:30 or 6am in the morning.  I can still = find the=20 time to send encouraging and useful emails to LD. I don't buy the time = argument, because everyone has an issue with time, not just = professional=20 musicians.  It is about priorities. If a professional musician = makes it a=20 priority to proactively get engaged with a community, they will do it, = period.=20 Heck, I know folks who sync their email up and do all their = correspondence on=20 the plane. And I'm not talking about sending hundreds of emails, but = at least=20 a response or comment once in a while so that we know that they are = real=20 people who communicate with the external world, and not abstract = deities who=20 only communicate through the press and their agents..which seems = pretentious=20 as hell to me.  Personally, I think fame gets to the heads of = some people=20 in the entertainment industry.<<<
    Kris, 
    you're absolutely = right that=20 it's about priorities, and for people for whom music is a hobby, a = love, a=20 past-time, their relaxation, sitting chatting about it with a bunch of = anonymous emailers is a dream come true. If the rest of your time is = spent=20 talking about musical stuff, dealing with music related questions, = playing=20 gigs, organising gigs etc. etc. etc. the last thing some people want = to do=20 with their free time is talk about music. 
    The one thing that = LD has over=20 a lot of other lists is that the level of the discussion is often = worth=20 reading. Most music related lists are appalling. I contribute to quite = a few=20 online bass forums - partly cos I enjoy it, and partly cos I can write = it down=20 in my own mental time sheet as 'promotional' time. But the vast = majority of=20 the discussions on the forums a) don't need to happen cos Google has = the=20 answers, and b) are of such an inane level, that I really don't have = the time=20 or inclination to get involved. 
    When I first got = onto LD 7 or=20 so years ago, the level of conversation was consistently high - = smaller group,=20 more movers and shakers, and a young list so all the good topics = hadn't been=20 exhausted. It's fairly rare that a topic comes up on here that really = floats=20 my boat. That's not to say it's not good stuff, just that it's not = good for=20 me. 
    So yes, it's all = about=20 priorities, and a lot of people's priority structure doesn't include = chatting=20 online. that's cool. 
    Steve
    www.stevelawson.net - site
    www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop
    http://steve.anthropiccolle= ctive.org=20 - blog
    www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson


    ------=_NextPart_000_109E_01C6B0B9.39090A90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 20:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E6563BF1D; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XRcPKA9T70NXVts86BbpGXWDp9nUahq0YaGl4GI4heyk5QydptTrpxW83hgkpa6sGYdaY8xCh+GxNujlx//LVAoIAWHv/myZ/+8stQZMtlSfiYezZbTWAQSids+cL1d444tfR3+v6aGL6P907JDZM4iMv4Of332/AO5EG6QP7Vk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060726173110.83235.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060726173110.83235.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <095D5574-40AA-4BFD-98EB-00F7B749B15F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mac, Rax, Augustus Loop (was: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:14:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:14:26 +0000 (UTC) > --- Per Boysen wrote: >> I don't think I >> would be able to >> handle more than three simultaneous looping >> processes anyway. On 26 jul 2006, at 19.31, mark sottilaro wrote: > Isn't that the truth? With an 8 stereo track looper > in my clutches I've never gone higher than 3 tracks. > One haveing 2-3 loops in it and the others one. I > can't imagine being able to deal with much more. Yeah, I heard humans are "two-channeled", "double-tasking", creatures. If we do more than two tasks simultaneously we have to constantly push one task over to be handled by merely automatic reflexes. That's why if you are driving (1) and smoking (2) you should really put out your cigarette before answering that cell phone call (3). There's a 33 % risk that "driving" will be left for its own devices ;-) Don't remember where I first heard it, but fact is I snagged that piece of info for my lectures on "improvisational technics in praxis and theory". If you make music with more than three general "themes" happening you either have a problem to perform it in real-time or you will have to start looking into "generative music" (not totally un-cool either ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 20:26:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 732AF3BF22; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Suggestions to Increase Ease of Reading the Daily Digest was Re: Sheer Volume on this List Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:25:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:26:02 +0000 (UTC) I find myself in agreement with Steve Lawson (and many other old timers who post here) that in earlier days the list was more pithy and interesting to read because there wasn't so much chatter and there were more substantive subjects. My wife recently pointed out something to me that happens at this list to unnecessarily increase it's volume without necessarily increasing it's pertinence: Some people who post a lot work at jobs where they are continually at a computer terminal, so they are able to respond, instantly to posts that come in on the list. Consequently, it is possible to send continual small messages back and forth the list several times a day. I, personally would be more attracted to reading the list all the time if we cut some of the chatter out of it. In other words, the kinds of posts where people are responding individually to each other as opposed to really forwarding a discussion or topic. These are important personal communications but not necessarily ones that need to be read by all. I am quite a frequent poster so I'm not trying to call the kettle black but more and more when I feel like making these kinds of communications I email the specific person (whose email address is always on the post, conveniently) instead of sending to the list. It's just a suggestion and is put out there with ultimate respect for all who post here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 20:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFC3E3BF1F; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026a01c6b0f2$5e37d790$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:30:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:30:48 +0000 (UTC) So many people have joined this list in recent years that it might be fun to revisit some of the classic threads on creativity, discussions of philosophy, techniques for improving live performances, etc. I know that, personally, these are always the threads that have fascinated me and made me love being on this list. The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects but it would be cool to hear what the newest loopers have to say. What were your favorite five threads on this list in the past? rick walker aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 20:45:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05C693BF11; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kdDSxzm3LSO1KmjC5YcFYz16VW5dZqcYKnwX8SkRQ2XSjlShEyl5grw/FL3carvDAKUE/ZMwKnGTKSgvVMlEdec30o5EBgQy2BwRl/mNl+GlByuPDwbbf7dkF1qxbuRjZp91+0MKbmccowydZ1fcpk9+Lq20uvjaDZqZCXV2Rp0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060726174046.64755.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060726174046.64755.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT (somewhat) What DAW for the Mac do you recommend? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:45:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:45:21 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jul 2006, at 19.40, mark sottilaro wrote: > Anyway, I'm set on a dual 2.3 gighz > G5 machine. I still have my old "early adopter's" 2x2 G5. It's on its second logic board now but an excellent studio machine! > So in the Mac world what's the shiz-nit? I want > stable decent sequencing/audio recording, some good > effects... maybe some groove quantize features and the > ability to run my vsts/au from inside it. Doesn't > seem like a lot to ask... oh yeah it also has to play > nice with a MOTU 828 and a MOTU Microexpress as I > don't feel they need upgrading. I guess Logic is the one to answer up for those six demands. But if you want to run plug-ins as VST you should get the FXpansion VST to AU Adapter. I'm not totally sure if the MOTU's rock, but you can check it out quickly at http://community.sonikmatter.com/. If you know how to make recordings sound good in a traditional studio you should be able to get the same great result with Logic "in-the- box". All necessary tools come bundled as plug-ins being part of the applications. You don't need to put out any money for extra plug-ins. Even the soft-synths built into Logic are among the best on the market. Given you buy the Pro version, that is. Before I started producing with Logic (1994) I used Cubase/ATARI (plus ADAT, 24 track analog tape machines and huge mixing consoles and super expensive effect racks rented in for mixdown). I switched to Logic because of the better MIDI timing; I had been gong to electronic dance music producers/engineers to remix my stuff and was able to hear with my own ears how much better simple MIDI arrangements were grooving in Logic compared to Cubase. This was mid nineties and I took that as proof that the two guys that started this new player "Emagic" had done their homework well regarding computer code for the extremely timing critical task of music production. It now seems as Apple was serious with the take-over. Some producers like to work in Protools because it's a little faster for plain audio mixing. The general saying is that "Protools is a great recording and mixing tool but not as sharp composing tool wether Logic is a great composing tool but not as fast recording and mixing tool". I also have a lot of experience with Ableton Live, but I have never been able to get as good sound out of it as I get from Logic. If I produce music in Live I always mix it in Logic to take advance of the superior effect plug-ins. When it comes to quantize features Logic is miles ahead. Live doesn't have any groove quantize template function at all, Cubase can only pick it up from audio loops while Logic will let you create a groove quantize templet on the spot, either from an audio loop or from a MIDI sequence. That saves a lot of time and makes you "goove timing" compatible with a lot of other cool tools like pHATmatic Pro, RMX. One last word on software looping in Logic. I tried it, both with the built-in Tape Delay plug-in (has now a Freeze button) and with Augustus Loop but for some reason Logic always crashes after twenty minutes. This I tried in both Logic Pro and Logic Express. I guess its audio machine wasn't designed for that type of never-ending calculations. After all Logic was designed to be music production studio environment, not a real-time music performance tool. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 26 23:33:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F017C3BEFF; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,185,1151899200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1978064491:sNHT1589226188" In-Reply-To: <0d0b01c6b012$d5839c70$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0b3a01c6af9c$ea05b780$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0bc901c6aff4$6a50f790$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7C83FCF3-C60A-4D36-B92A-A8AE3EDB94DC@earthlink.net> <0d0b01c6b012$d5839c70$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--444071723 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Sample #3 of VST Program Presets (Reaktor 5 - "Blackbird") Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:33:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:33:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--444071723 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The morph slider can be set up to respond to an external MIDI controller AND set up as an internal knob in the ensemble, then modulated like any other panel control (by sequencers, LFOs, etc.), all described in my FX tutorial. dc On Jul 25, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I haven't even tapped into Reaktor's new feature of morphing > between settings. I need to figure that out. I'd love to set it up > so that it morphed from one preset (snap) to another at a time > interval that I define. --Apple-Mail-3--444071723 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

    The morph slider can be set = up to respond to an external MIDI controller AND set up as an internal = knob in the ensemble, then modulated like any other panel control (by = sequencers, LFOs, etc.), all described in=A0my FX = tutorial.
    dc

    On Jul 25, 2006, at 10:50 = AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    I haven't even tapped into Reaktor's new feature of = morphing between settings. I need to figure that out. I'd love to set it = up so that it morphed from one preset (snap) to another at a time = interval that I = define.

    = --Apple-Mail-3--444071723-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 00:21:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B8153BF02; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: DL-4 exp pedal mod? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <02f501c6b112$8a188bf0$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C6B0F1.0306EBF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9484@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: Acav7M1pfqS5p4jZSSWRiBnz0mPQiwBJRqPw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:21:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C6B0F1.0306EBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, I emailed Robert Keeley, who performs mods on DL4s...the official response is "It will not work, expression pedal circuits are designed almost exclusively for 10K and working with the microprocessors inside, etc, etc..." So, ahh well. Dave Eichenberger (who is not famous, but did appear in Guitar Player, and is still waiting for the checks to come in...which is how I hear it works, right?) _____ >>I have an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a 250k pot, but obviously it is too large a value for the DL-4.....<< have you tried it? the only thing I had to do to an expression pedal to make it work with a DL4 was reverse the tip & ring connections. I didn't even look at the range of the pot itself. I'm pretty sure that all the DL4 is looking for is a voltage; the socket will supply (say, for the sake of argument) 5 volts out of this socket, & expect a proportion of this to be returned to it by way of a control signal. the amount of resistance the pot introduces is insignificant; the part of the DL4 that measures the returned voltage probably has a very high input impedance & so very little current will flow. but I could be wrong..... :-) in any case, so long as the ernie ball pedal is wired correctly, you won't hurt anything. d. ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C6B0F1.0306EBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: DL-4 exp pedal mod?
    Actually, I emailed Robert Keeley, who performs mods on = DL4s...the=20 official response is
     
    "It will not work, expression pedal circuits = are=20 designed almost exclusively for 10K and working with the microprocessors = inside,=20 etc, etc..."
     
    So, ahh well.
     
    Dave Eichenberger (who is = not famous,=20 but did appear in Guitar Player, and is still waiting for the checks to = come=20 in...which is how I hear it works, = right?)


     =20  

    >>I have an Ernie Ball volume pedal with a = 250k pot, but=20 obviously it is too large a value for the DL-4.....<< =

    have you tried it? the only thing I had to do to an = expression=20 pedal to make it work with a DL4 was reverse the tip & ring = connections. I=20 didn't even look at the range of the pot itself.

    I'm pretty sure that all the DL4 is looking for is a = voltage;=20 the socket will supply (say, for the sake of argument) 5 volts out of = this=20 socket, & expect a proportion of this to be returned to it by way = of a=20 control signal. the amount of resistance the pot introduces is = insignificant;=20 the part of the DL4 that measures the returned voltage probably has a = very=20 high input impedance & so very little current will = flow.

    but I could be wrong..... :-)

    in any case, so long as the ernie ball pedal is = wired=20 correctly, you won't hurt anything.

    d.

     =20       ------=_NextPart_000_02F6_01C6B0F1.0306EBF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 00:28:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D82443BF07; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <116401c6b113$932f3f80$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <026a01c6b0f2$5e37d790$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:28:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:28:28 +0000 (UTC) I liked the threads regarding: 1) Music critics, evaluation, aesthetics 2) Using the laptop for looping and effects 3) VST Effects and tone mangling 4) The string of questions you started on tips for producing your own CD, marketing, etc 5) Free Improvisation And of course all threads that provide feedback on new looping gear, features, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > So many people have joined this list in recent years > that it might be fun to revisit some of the classic threads > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, techniques for improving > live performances, etc. > > I know that, personally, these are always the threads that have > fascinated > me and made me love being on this list. > > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects but it would be cool > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. > > What were your favorite five threads on this list in the past? > > rick walker > aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g > www.looppool.info > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 00:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 031AB3BF0A; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:31:16 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:31:24 +0000 (UTC) In addition to performing, I occasionally host house concerts. Both performers are live-loop-friendly. Hope this is an acceptable announcement for this list. Info below the line of octothorps. best, Steve B Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea ########################### badgerhaus hosts a psychedelic rock/spacerock/spoken word performance by The Subliminator Friday July 28th. Automatic Caution Door opens. Other acts possibly to be added for the evening. Location: badgerhaus, Raleigh NC Time: 9pm Cover: voluntary donation, going entirely to the performer(s) Links: http://www.badgerhaus.com/ http://www.myspace.com/thesubliminator http://thesubliminator.com/ Thanks to Xopher Thurston for use of the PA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 01:01:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BABE23BF08; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <026a01c6b0f2$5e37d790$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <026a01c6b0f2$5e37d790$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-32--438770442 Message-Id: <6a582a1ff46b085de6aa8d40ca131593@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:01:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:01:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-32--438770442 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the young'ins . . . Some of my favorites went something like: 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the journey that brought you =20= here? 2. Where does your music come from -- what inspires you to create it? 3. What are some of your musical influences -- or looping influences =20= -- and why? 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using your instrument or FX =20= gear in manners other than that it was designed for? 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you run into a "wall", =20 carries you through when obstacles arise or when you're simply tired, =20= uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of a musical "rut." Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 =20 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > So many people have joined this list in recent years > that it might be fun to revisit some of the classic threads > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, techniques for improving > live performances, etc. > > I know that, personally, these are always the threads that have =20 > fascinated > me and made me love being on this list. > > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects but it would be cool > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. > > What were your favorite five threads on this list in the past? > > rick walker > aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g > www.looppool.info --Apple-Mail-32--438770442 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the young'ins . . . Some of my favorites went something like: 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the journey that brought you here? 2. Where does your music come from -- what inspires you to create it? 3. What are some of your musical influences -- or looping influences -- and why? 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using your instrument or FX gear in manners other than that it was designed for? 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you run into a "wall", carries you through when obstacles arise or when you're simply tired, uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of a musical "rut." Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 9B9B,9B9B,9B9B"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: So many people have joined this list in recent years that it might be fun to revisit some of the classic threads on creativity, discussions of philosophy, techniques for improving live performances, etc. I know that, personally, these are always the threads that have fascinated me and made me love being on this list. The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects but it would be cool to hear what the newest loopers have to say. What were your favorite five threads on this list in the past? rick walker aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g www.looppool.info=20 = --Apple-Mail-32--438770442-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 01:53:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29A463BF08; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:53:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Staying on the Looping topic In-Reply-To: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0aOFTD.A.VzE.XyByEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:53:28 +0000 (UTC) At 01:25 PM 7/26/2006, loop.pool wrote: >I find myself in agreement with Steve Lawson (and many other old timers >who post here) that in earlier days the list was more pithy and >interesting to read because there wasn't so much chatter and there were >more substantive subjects. This is a problem I've also noticed getting worse in the last couple years. Off topic posting has gotten really bad lately. Sometimes there are dozens of messages posted to the list in a day, and none of them are about looping. Some individuals post constantly, yet almost never post about looping at all. Please remember, Looper's Delight exists to discuss, teach, promote, and communicate about looping. That is why everybody is here. Looping is what we should be posting about. This list is not here to discuss computer problems, or favorite VST effects, or DAW recommendations, or hex guitar pickups, or etc. (just to pick on a few random, recent off-topics.) If you are making a post and it is not explicitly about looping, you should really ask yourself 3 or 4 times before you send it: why you are about to waste hundreds of people's time with an off-topic post? Is this worth using up list bandwidth, taking up space in the digest, and storing in the archive forever? Just because you think this is an interesting group of people, or you think someone here might know the answer to your random question, isn't a good enough reason. Neither is excusing it by telling other people to delete if they don't want to read your off-topic post. Find a more appropriate place for that post. Partly I blame myself for this, because I haven't been participating here much lately. I used to make an effort to start interesting threads about looping when people wandered off-topic, to redirect the group's energy back towards looping again. This is pretty easy and works remarkably well. I appreciate some of the other list "veterans" who do this also. But even nicer would be people taking more responsibility for their own actions and behavior in this community, and keeping yourselves on topic. When the discussion really does stick to good looping threads, the really interesting list members come out of the woodwork to contribute their thoughts. Some of those "famous" loopers hang around more also. That's the way it used to be here, and with a little effort it will continue to be like that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 02:54:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 760BC3BF01; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6AfW5u48ELFzPFt60Mpbvb8RElYM+BEDYBGa62Eg0JEyowODPIGmktIQar3UMkG1w3gNGS0K3n06pt6O3Y3xF9n/WA3MTua13g8oOAeQS4MEsJH+X0SDTac7aL40Tisr3mXMDmqSqebnl80f7JYMHY54XyIcembRhOYfuuJs5KQ= ; Message-ID: <20060727025419.15471.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: should we name it echoing ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7EAF27B3-B050-4FDD-AD1F-165C81185393@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:54:20 +0000 (UTC) i agree but looping with feedback or without it and the importance of the feature in new loopers is creeping here often lately,also steady running loops are sometimes being described as,boring,no art,etc. i see(so i wont call it echoing)soundscaping or whatever u wanna call it a la fripp or sequence looping like the caffeine amped RC-50 guy perhaps as different styles,but allright looping is looping... so id like to see fripp or Matthias doing more sequence style looping! cheers Luis --- Steve Lawson wrote: > > I see slowly two diferent types of looping here > and it > > occurs to me that none of the loopers video demos > show > > the use of the feedback feature... > > should we name looping with feedback perhaps > echoing? > > Luis > > Echoing seems like a pretty pointless term to me, > but I care less > about what you call it than whether it's worth > listening to or not. > I'll definitely be spending my energy trying to play > and write great > music, rather than worrying about whether the label > for what I do > changes when I push the feedback pedal. > > cheers > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 03:16:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3093BF07; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4YK4LhzRvoIE318HX6Mqwoypd+k5T22MU70Uc30uZSaGQOnRrIp6p9lf061VarxaoLhh7Lq158frG2D0qrSRNJzvEoctrrqn+qqcjZ1l5oqBkjtF7pREZyWSEuAPitaSl/o8Pn4Mo5D67Q4Kp6i2Ul4uZEu2UZ8nAXEVq27OWTA= ; Message-ID: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6a582a1ff46b085de6aa8d40ca131593@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:16:49 +0000 (UTC) what percentage of loopers go and play 100% improvised loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or shoe/rack gazing until u get it right? for those who do or care how do you keep your audience interested,do you always loop? whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what made it so great? What makes you feel free while playing music?organized or improvised? i know some of this has been brought up in the past perhaps but i think we all could use a refreshment! Luis --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the > young'ins . . . > > Some of my favorites went something like: > > 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the journey > that brought you > here? > > 2. Where does your music come from -- what inspires > you to create it? > > 3. What are some of your musical influences -- or > looping influences > -- and why? > > 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using > your instrument or FX > gear in manners other than that it was designed for? > > 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you run > into a "wall", > carries you through when obstacles arise or when > you're simply tired, > uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of a > musical "rut." > > Peace, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? > > step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, > DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > > > So many people have joined this list in recent > years > > that it might be fun to revisit some of the > classic threads > > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, > techniques for improving > > live performances, etc. > > > > I know that, personally, these are always the > threads that have > > fascinated > > me and made me love being on this list. > > > > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects > but it would be cool > > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. > > > > What were your favorite five threads on this list > in the past? > > > > rick walker > > aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g > > www.looppool.info > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 03:43:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784EF3BF0A; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gmI0QL9NisMZftGCFDkggfwBUpbA/ySG9aejM4X/Op3vCi+0dC5eu5iDNyQIuTvgujUUM40SA70Xo3C/gpNVo2q5IzHeZX1veBCQpTP8FNyDTRYNjJAofm/Xzb1m5T4595L7Kktg84+1yWeEov/qhe9gkuxeTv1qzE4PPdiVtWA= ; Message-ID: <20060727034321.32655.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0ff401c6b0df$d3174130$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Clint you hit the ball ive learned quite a lot from some threads in this list which sometimes have an uninteresting header for me and was about to delete! and this is precisely what makes me coming back,weather is a link to a great non looping inspiring musician,equiment,effects,ways of routing things,or taking a break and having a philosophy discussion,sometimes somewhere on a line i find what i was looking for.Compared to other forums this is still the best and more focused,but yes we do sometimes forget to change the subject. Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's a great recommendation, Clint. I am guilty of > changing subjects and not reflecting it in the > subject heading. I'll make a point to do that more > now. > > K- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clint Allen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List > > > Speaking for myself, I often find it hard to gauge > what might be interesting, > based off of the subject lines. Many times I have > deleted emails in this forum > only to find out later that there was some very > interesting discussion going on. > Other times, exactly the opposite or I have read > through volumes to find nothing. > > I think there needs to be a more of an effort to > change subject lines when the > thread starts to change, which it so often does. > > I've nothing really to offer on this subject other > than to say I'd rather recieve as much info > as possible and have the option to delete, than > vice-versa. > > Clint Allen > > > > On 7/26/06, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > Hmmm...the number of emails on this list has > never been a problem to > me...it's all about being able to prioritize on > the fly and not feel the > need to read everything I see. I get hundreds of > emails a day from work, sit > on conference calls, lead meetings, someetimes > from 6am to 6pm, plus > exchange instant messages with my peers while on > conference calls...plus > keep up with LD emails and other list emails. > > It takes a fraction of a second to read the > subject heading of an email and > delete it. For me quantity has notning to do > with it. The more time I > have, the less emails I delete or leave un-read. > Go to digest mode, or just > start sorting by subject heading and deleting > multiple emails at the same > time....all this takes mere seconds. > > Or am I not getting something here? What is > taking most of folks time? Are > you tryin to read everything? Seriously, how > long does it take to delete > your inbox. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buzap Buzap" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:45 AM > Subject: Sheer Volume on this List > > > > Hi Richard > > > >> I think some folks ..are overwhelmed by the > >> sheer volume of communication that happens on > this list. > > > > I actually the same. I know I'm currently > active but I know I'll probably > > drop-off once other subjects will have a > higher priority. > > > > What do you guys think of having a FORUM > instead of a mailling list? > > The good thing about forums is that you can > browse in a structured way and > > don't have to scroll through millions of > mails.. > > > > Best regards > > Buzap > > -- > > > > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. > Nur noch kurze Zeit! > > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 04:11:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87AF73BF08; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0f7f01c6b0be$e5f596b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0f7f01c6b0be$e5f596b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--427406108 Message-Id: From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Rocktron All Access for MIDI Controll of Looping Devices Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:10:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:11:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--427406108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yes, they do make a bit of noise...a nice resounding click. On Jul 26, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Anyone using the Rocktron All Access to control their looping > devices? I heard that the buttons were a bit loud when pressing > them. > > --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com --Apple-Mail-3--427406108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    Yes, they do make a bit of = noise...a nice resounding click.


    On Jul 26, 2006, = at 7:22 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    Anyone using the Rocktron All Access to control = their looping devices?=A0 I = heard that the buttons were a=A0 = bit loud when pressing them.=A0



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    King Never

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    = --Apple-Mail-3--427406108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 04:14:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E03A3BEFF; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.51.147] Message-ID: <44C83D86.9030203@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:13:58 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-2, 07/26/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:14:00 +0000 (UTC) One benefit of having a forum is that there could be particular folders specifically for off-topic posts subdivided into subjects like music-philosophy, non-looping audio gear, and even a spot for shooting the breeze and community building. Perhaps it doesn't have to be an either/or situation. Maybe we could have this list and be very particular about making sure all threads here are directly looping-related. Then, if somebody had a question about a piece of software or just wanted to share a funny story with this incredible community of musicians, there would be a place for that as well. I would be more than willing to contribute toward such a cause. --Josh Kim Flint wrote: > At 01:25 PM 7/26/2006, loop.pool wrote: >> I find myself in agreement with Steve Lawson (and many other old >> timers who post here) that in earlier days the list was more pithy >> and interesting to read because there wasn't so much chatter and >> there were more substantive subjects. > > This is a problem I've also noticed getting worse in the last couple > years. Off topic posting has gotten really bad lately. Sometimes there > are dozens of messages posted to the list in a day, and none of them > are about looping. Some individuals post constantly, yet almost never > post about looping at all. > > Please remember, Looper's Delight exists to discuss, teach, promote, > and communicate about looping. That is why everybody is here. Looping > is what we should be posting about. This list is not here to discuss > computer problems, or favorite VST effects, or DAW recommendations, or > hex guitar pickups, or etc. (just to pick on a few random, recent > off-topics.) > > If you are making a post and it is not explicitly about looping, you > should really ask yourself 3 or 4 times before you send it: why you > are about to waste hundreds of people's time with an off-topic post? > Is this worth using up list bandwidth, taking up space in the digest, > and storing in the archive forever? > > Just because you think this is an interesting group of people, or you > think someone here might know the answer to your random question, > isn't a good enough reason. Neither is excusing it by telling other > people to delete if they don't want to read your off-topic post. Find > a more appropriate place for that post. > > Partly I blame myself for this, because I haven't been participating > here much lately. I used to make an effort to start interesting > threads about looping when people wandered off-topic, to redirect the > group's energy back towards looping again. This is pretty easy and > works remarkably well. I appreciate some of the other list "veterans" > who do this also. But even nicer would be people taking more > responsibility for their own actions and behavior in this community, > and keeping yourselves on topic. > > When the discussion really does stick to good looping threads, the > really interesting list members come out of the woodwork to contribute > their thoughts. Some of those "famous" loopers hang around more also. > That's the way it used to be here, and with a little effort it will > continue to be like that. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 04:51:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498353BEFA; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060726215104.01b08028@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:51:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060726213405.01a63518@TheNettles.com> References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060726213405.01a63518@TheNettles.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 1.052 (*) MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:51:12 +0000 (UTC) At 06:53 PM 7/26/2006, Kim Flint wrote: >Some individuals post constantly, yet almost never post about looping at all. I took off my music geek hat and put on my computer geek hat and wrote the following program in Cygwin: $ awk '/^From:/ {from[$0]++} END {for (person in from) print from[person] " " person}' julyld.txt | sort -nr From this program here are the posters who emailed Looper's Delight 10 or more times in July in descending order. The first number is the number of times they posted this month based on the raw archive: 110 From: "Krispen Hartung" 39 From: mark sottilaro 39 From: "Buzap Buzap" 37 From: Per Boysen 31 From: "L.A. Angulo" 26 From: Joshua Carroll 25 From: "Timothy Mungenast" 21 From: mech 19 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com 18 From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" 17 From: Daryl Shawn 16 From: Jeff Kaiser 16 From: "mark t" 15 From: a k butler 13 From: rune fagereng 13 From: daniel stevenson 13 From: Kim Flint 13 From: "Gary Lehmann" 12 From: Jeffrey Larson 12 From: Bill Fox 12 From: "loop.pool" 11 From: johnsrude@peak.org 11 From: Charles Zwicky 11 From: "Charlie Milkey" 10 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= What's my point? The first point depends on whether you think frequent posting is a good thing or bad thing--it also depends on whether you think the top ten folks post about looping or not. The second point is how ridiculously easy it is for spammers to harvest email addresses from the LD archives. The third point is that data is always good. ;-) Peace, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 05:01:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C823A3BF01; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <123301c6b139$b86f9350$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060726213405.01a63518@TheNettles.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060726215104.01b08028@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:01:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:01:32 +0000 (UTC) And here is 111, for cripes sake. What a number to resonate on, eh? Sorry folks, I'm a power communicator. I'll shut up for a while, but hopefully the stuff I post isn't pure drivel. ...man, that is embarassing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic > At 06:53 PM 7/26/2006, Kim Flint wrote: >>Some individuals post constantly, yet almost never post about looping at >>all. > > I took off my music geek hat and put on my computer geek hat and wrote the > following program in Cygwin: > $ awk '/^From:/ {from[$0]++} > END {for (person in from) > print from[person] " " person}' julyld.txt | sort -nr > > From this program here are the posters who emailed Looper's Delight 10 or > more times in July in descending order. The first number is the number of > times they posted this month based on the raw archive: > > 110 From: "Krispen Hartung" > 39 From: mark sottilaro > 39 From: "Buzap Buzap" > 37 From: Per Boysen > 31 From: "L.A. Angulo" > 26 From: Joshua Carroll > 25 From: "Timothy Mungenast" > 21 From: mech > 19 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > 18 From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > 17 From: Daryl Shawn > 16 From: Jeff Kaiser > 16 From: "mark t" > 15 From: a k butler > 13 From: rune fagereng > 13 From: daniel stevenson > 13 From: Kim Flint > 13 From: "Gary Lehmann" > 12 From: Jeffrey Larson > 12 From: Bill Fox > 12 From: "loop.pool" > 11 From: johnsrude@peak.org > 11 From: Charles Zwicky > 11 From: "Charlie Milkey" > 10 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= > > What's my point? The first point depends on whether you think frequent > posting is a good thing or bad thing--it also depends on whether you think > the top ten folks post about looping or not. The second point is how > ridiculously easy it is for spammers to harvest email addresses from the > LD archives. The third point is that data is always good. ;-) > > Peace, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 05:48:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A01BB3BF0D; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WMVu2mgKAK3SWTc6b0xm2emYspNkODtFtACRslxYjptxs914v32LoDHFiL+PbZrr8lI4HY6jfFUJyUKvZNkNL0ZAIMayATECMXfi1Ho9sG/jjr/ITr6usjXUh/+tZiFuAf73QlCXjysT9xznJLWnX2+3USYkdskZ3PSGI+Y0V8Q= ; Message-ID: <20060727054825.60475.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <123301c6b139$b86f9350$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:48:26 +0000 (UTC) What's embarassing is that I only made number 2 on the list? DAMN YOU KRISPEN! I'LL GET YOU! Frankly I eagerly await each of your posts and read them all. Often saving them to a special folder for later reexamination. Let's face it, there's not all that much to talk about when it comes to looping. Why not talk about what effects to use on your loops or what to put in your loops? Keep up the good work. I love this list. I'd rather it be a bit OT heavy than the normal drivel that's out there on most groups. WOOT LOL --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > And here is 111, for cripes sake. What a number to > resonate on, eh? Sorry > folks, I'm a power communicator. I'll shut up for a > while, but hopefully the > stuff I post isn't pure drivel. > > ...man, that is embarassing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic > > > > At 06:53 PM 7/26/2006, Kim Flint wrote: > >>Some individuals post constantly, yet almost never > post about looping at > >>all. > > > > I took off my music geek hat and put on my > computer geek hat and wrote the > > following program in Cygwin: > > $ awk '/^From:/ {from[$0]++} > > END {for (person in from) > > print from[person] " " person}' julyld.txt | sort > -nr > > > > From this program here are the posters who emailed > Looper's Delight 10 or > > more times in July in descending order. The first > number is the number of > > times they posted this month based on the raw > archive: > > > > 110 From: "Krispen Hartung" > > > 39 From: mark sottilaro > > > 39 From: "Buzap Buzap" > > 37 From: Per Boysen > > 31 From: "L.A. Angulo" > > 26 From: Joshua Carroll > > 25 From: "Timothy Mungenast" > > > 21 From: mech > > 19 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > > 18 From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > > 17 From: Daryl Shawn > > 16 From: Jeff Kaiser > > 16 From: "mark t" > > 15 From: a k butler > > 13 From: rune fagereng > > 13 From: daniel stevenson > > 13 From: Kim Flint > > 13 From: "Gary Lehmann" > > 12 From: Jeffrey Larson > > 12 From: Bill Fox > > 12 From: "loop.pool" > > 11 From: johnsrude@peak.org > > 11 From: Charles Zwicky > > 11 From: "Charlie Milkey" > > 10 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= > > > > > What's my point? The first point depends on > whether you think frequent > > posting is a good thing or bad thing--it also > depends on whether you think > > the top ten folks post about looping or not. The > second point is how > > ridiculously easy it is for spammers to harvest > email addresses from the > > LD archives. The third point is that data is > always good. ;-) > > > > Peace, > > Kevin > > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > > www.TheNettles.com > > Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 05:59:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AC923BEFF; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c6b141$c68f2ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Staying on the Looping topic Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:59:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:59:15 +0000 (UTC) I agree with much of what Kim said in terms of people disciplining themselves to stay on the topic of looping and I have probably been as guilty of that as anyone. That being said, I do want to beg to differ about this statement: "This list is not here to discuss computer problems, or favorite VST effects, or DAW recommendations........ (just to pick on a few random, recent off-topics.)" The fact of the matter is that the major innovations in the real time looping world in the past three or so years have been mostly in the computer software realm. With the exception of the Looperlative there have not been very many innovations in the hardware world at all (with the exception of more powerful floor effects pedals like the Boss RC 50). Consequently, discussions about things like DAW recommendations (because live looping VSTs HAVE to be hosted somewhere in your laptop) or VST effects, which have everything to do with how your music is manifest if you are using a laptop computer set up to loop live are extremely pertinent to the world of live looping. I'm actually still almost entirely a hardware live looper but there are no ifs, ands or buts about it, there is a lot out there in the laptop software world that is rapidly changing the playing field (from Augustus loop to Mobius to Ableton's Live, etc.) The computer software live looping solutions are in their infancy so there are bound to be discussions about what's wrong with them or what types of computers are most appropriate to solve those solutions. Not everyone is going to chose that solution, necessarily but I imagine it takes up a lot of thought in a lot of people doing looping in front of an audience in real time. At the looping festivals the number of people using laptop/software looping solutions has risen dramatically in the past three years. If , however, the majority of people on this list think that these are innapropriate 'off topic' posts then I am willing to cease and desist my own discussions of these things but I don't think they are. I also agree, though , that reeling those discussions into only things that dovetail into live looping should be our task. respectfully, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 06:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B81B63BEF0; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Matthias Loibner radio feature Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: <002d01c6b142$0765d570$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaxQgWqexgJya17R0WHzMcEP4d5dQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:01:07 +0000 (UTC) German radio listeners: tonight at 10 pm there will be a 15-minute Deutschlandradio Kultur radio feature (called "hurdy gurdy, the medieval synthesizer") about Matthias Loibner, the hurdy-gurdy looper who amazed us with his performance last year at the Zurich loop festival. Matthias's website together with his percussion partner Tunji Baier is at http://zykado.com. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 06:01:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3028A3BF0D; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060726225959.01ad4d38@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:01:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Laters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:01:57 +0000 (UTC) August is coming and I'll be out and about so I'll be unsubscribing for now. Catch you all later. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 06:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A713BF07; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:12:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2006 06:17:05.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[4857E490:01C6B144] Resent-Message-ID: <8dXCyB.A.-qC.VlFyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:12:37 +0000 (UTC) At 6:53 PM -0700 7/26/06, Kim Flint wrote: >At 01:25 PM 7/26/2006, loop.pool wrote: >>I find myself in agreement with Steve Lawson (and many other old >>timers who post here) that in earlier days the list was more pithy >>and interesting to read because there wasn't so much chatter and >>there were more substantive subjects. > >This is a problem I've also noticed getting worse in the last couple >years. Off topic posting has gotten really bad lately. Sometimes >there are dozens of messages posted to the list in a day, and none >of them are about looping. Some individuals post constantly, yet >almost never post about looping at all. Kim, perhaps to some extent, the list is subject to being 'victim of its own success'? I mean, I'm not certain what you originally envisioned when you first started it, but it has without a doubt grown a huge deal (in every direction) from its humble origins. This list, as it now stands, is a haven for some of the most exciting and generous polymaths which I know of on the Net. I, for one, am constantly informed and entertained by even the most mundane of topic drift which occurs here. Of course, I can also understand the need to maintain focus, and apologize for my part in any conversations that have gone sideways from the list's core mission. Even though it's completely astray from the list's central purpose, I also hate to lose the community's willingness to share information on whatever subject is at hand. So, I wanted to suggest that perhaps you might consider "splitting" the list in two -- the original list, of course, plus a secondary "off topic" list where LD members could openly use each other as resources regardless of subject matter. The core LD list would then be freed up to focus solely on those topics directly related to Looping. The OT list could handle questions on peripherals like DAW's, VST's and effects, general philosophy, whatever... Regardless, it's your list and I'll be do my best to abide by your rules. I was just looking for a creative alternative to keep things here on track, while still enabling the informative chatter here as well. --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 06:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A4A3BEE1; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GrnYvRyrApqchVfkrt5VEmPO4Jx/drxIL0p9CC+JJeeeJ9X3j2FJtFVNZnQEKvMRnmFFqiQqD3qMKjFgTlYjUg0pPeDKaeVC3dLJm6H3AAm99h7V3G1clDAVKMXrnmHDX7FKWF9xLPhpqEB5hBJZCpddq7vpPVO2Zc6LlxBefl8= ; Message-ID: <20060727061431.13220.qmail@web31913.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <123301c6b139$b86f9350$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Wgj8B.A.m0C.JnFyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC) I for one have learned a lot from this list about state of the art looping gear Ive never even seen...I like knowing the potential of said devices.Sometimes there are subjects void of looping content that pique my interest also,mostly the discussion of art and what inspires it.Ive posted more than my share of immature drivel,sometimes regretfully.I like information about when and where looping gigs are performed and by whom.It is always cool to see someone helped out with a gear question.I value loopers delight as a very resourceful tool of information and inspiration. Danny. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > And here is 111, for cripes sake. What a number to > resonate on, eh? Sorry > folks, I'm a power communicator. I'll shut up for a > while, but hopefully the > stuff I post isn't pure drivel. > > ...man, that is embarassing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:51 PM > Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic > > > > At 06:53 PM 7/26/2006, Kim Flint wrote: > >>Some individuals post constantly, yet almost never > post about looping at > >>all. > > > > I took off my music geek hat and put on my > computer geek hat and wrote the > > following program in Cygwin: > > $ awk '/^From:/ {from[$0]++} > > END {for (person in from) > > print from[person] " " person}' julyld.txt | sort > -nr > > > > From this program here are the posters who emailed > Looper's Delight 10 or > > more times in July in descending order. The first > number is the number of > > times they posted this month based on the raw > archive: > > > > 110 From: "Krispen Hartung" > > > 39 From: mark sottilaro > > > 39 From: "Buzap Buzap" > > 37 From: Per Boysen > > 31 From: "L.A. Angulo" > > 26 From: Joshua Carroll > > 25 From: "Timothy Mungenast" > > > 21 From: mech > > 19 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > > 18 From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > > 17 From: Daryl Shawn > > 16 From: Jeff Kaiser > > 16 From: "mark t" > > 15 From: a k butler > > 13 From: rune fagereng > > 13 From: daniel stevenson > > 13 From: Kim Flint > > 13 From: "Gary Lehmann" > > 12 From: Jeffrey Larson > > 12 From: Bill Fox > > 12 From: "loop.pool" > > 11 From: johnsrude@peak.org > > 11 From: Charles Zwicky > > 11 From: "Charlie Milkey" > > 10 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= > > > > > What's my point? The first point depends on > whether you think frequent > > posting is a good thing or bad thing--it also > depends on whether you think > > the top ten folks post about looping or not. The > second point is how > > ridiculously easy it is for spammers to harvest > email addresses from the > > LD archives. The third point is that data is > always good. ;-) > > > > Peace, > > Kevin > > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > > www.TheNettles.com > > Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 07:03:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AACDC3BF02; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMADYCyESBT4hu Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060727080007.01c0b820@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:03:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: ReRe: Re famous folks with small fonts In-Reply-To: <20060726233315.B629F3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060726233315.B629F3BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:03:17 +0000 (UTC) >All good points Steve, and small ones at that! What is that, 5 point >font? :) I had to get my microfiche reader out. hi Kris, If you're using M$ viewer to read the mails, hold down the key and use the mouse wheel. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 08:01:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E95693BEE8; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAPQNyESBT4hu Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060727082015.01c0da00@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:01:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: should we name it echoing ? Cc: Matthias Grob In-Reply-To: <20060727041129.08F6A3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060727041129.08F6A3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3BPX0D.A.C1G.JLHyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:01:13 +0000 (UTC) At 05:11 27/07/2006, you wrote on LD >different styles,but allright looping is looping... >so id like to see fripp or Matthias doing more >sequence style looping! >cheers >Luis hi Luis....nice topic Fripp seems to be stuck firmly in the tape delay era, I wonder if people who worked with that have a block on seeing the possibilities of digital looping. Matthias Grob is already a pioneer in bridging the gap between the old and the new, he plays with rhythm and feedback together. ...but yes, it would be very nice to hear him trying out some of the "newer" techniques. It would also be nice if Andre Lafosse would let some of his glitchy rhythms fade out once in a while, while building up a wash over them. To make a split between feedback-looping and sample-looping maybe helps in discussion, but there's actually not a distinct barrier between those two styles, other than the one produced by lack of imagination. With new technology, there's always the opportunity to make "old" music quicker and easier, and usually that's the first use it gets put to, but there's also the possibility to make a new music that no-one heard before, that's something I find interesting. andy butler ps Recently I've been using feedback in a different way, using rapid drops in feedback level to replace small sections of what is essentially a "sample" based loop.....so that's feedback, but it's hardly "echoing". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 08:19:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A4D03BF05; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060727005912.09145268@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:19:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic In-Reply-To: <20060727054825.60475.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <123301c6b139$b86f9350$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060727054825.60475.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:19:17 +0000 (UTC) At 10:48 PM 7/26/2006, mark sottilaro wrote: > Let's face it, there's not all >that much to talk about when it comes to looping. Just because there is a space, doesn't mean you have to fill it. Yes, I realize this idea may not make sense to a lot of loopers. :-) >Why >not talk about what effects to use on your loops or >what to put in your loops? Keep up the good work. I >love this list. I'd rather it be a bit OT heavy than >the normal drivel that's out there on most groups. I would completely agree if most of the posts were about looping and the list was just "a bit OT". However, lately the off-topic posting has been more than a bit. All I'm asking is for folks to try to keep on topic a little more and be more considerate and respectful of the rest of the people on the list and the purpose for the LD list's existence. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 08:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DB943BF08; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAAwVyESBT4hu Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060727092724.01bf7918@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:31:27 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Staying on the Looping topic [OT] :-) In-Reply-To: <20060727081917.DB6773BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060727081917.DB6773BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:31:23 +0000 (UTC) > The OT list could handle questions on peripherals like DAW's, > VST's and effects, general philosophy, whatever... > >Regardless, it's your list and I'll be do my best to abide by your >rules. I was just looking for a creative alternative to keep things >here on track, while still enabling the informative chatter here as well. How about an agreement to put [OT] in the subject line for off topic posts? Then it would be easy to filter messages into a couple of different folders. Is that practical? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 08:47:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 673993BF01; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060727013204.09143900@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:47:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic In-Reply-To: <44C83D86.9030203@infinivert.com> References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> <44C83D86.9030203@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:47:00 +0000 (UTC) At 09:13 PM 7/26/2006, Joshua Carroll wrote: >One benefit of having a forum I've discussed this before: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200604/msg01067.html > is that there could be particular folders specifically for off-topic posts Web forums are not likely to have less off-topic postings, in my experience. They seem to encourage worse behavior if anything. In any case, this is not a technology problem. People just need to take a little more personal responsibility for how they communicate with the list, and care more about staying focused on the topic most of the time. That doesn't seem like a lot to ask. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 09:01:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 097933BF12; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:01:46 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060727090146.168040@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RC-50 & "Insert" (edp) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi here was a question on the forum if the RC-50 has an "Insert" fucntion like edp. Just checked the EDP manual. So, basically the RC-50 has three "OVERDUB MODES": - OVERDUB: works like normal Overdub - REPLACE: works like Substitute on EDP I guess - PUNCH-IN: like REPLACE, but just as long as pedal is pressed. there is no insert in a way that you can put something in the middle of a loop and make it longer. It can be only done to some extencd with a work-around - I figured out that you can do pretty much everything - more or less - with some work-around on the RC-50 (just needs 7 pedal presses instead of 2 ;-). Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 09:55:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BC043BEF3; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uBpk0huKVsgt22r71ofSUsk+IdJVxh7x3YKqdur0MITWNMpcmb7gM9oPYSRhNQdL+Af5yNtWLntHa8FHU8FzzGBbtbYnArgibN7oA031Rqk/jodYzqnlHOLi4h4TZaO7sipeYHM/P/CbO2fGnO8Hwp6UADZe4EsrfJw6GCtk4tE= ; Message-ID: <20060727095501.92242.qmail@web55514.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: infamous loopers? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-974559617-1153994101=:90130" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1VvUsD.A.qyC.21IyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:55:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-974559617-1153994101=:90130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: the subject of "famous loopers"...personally I would welcome hearing more from infamous loopers. A bit edgier and more intriguing don't you think? Cheers, Monica --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Mail Beta. --0-974559617-1153994101=:90130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 09:59:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DCAB3BF0A; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AP4g1ZJEo/ZcC7mtwFN2GKhWD1YhCLHefB0xlqm1d+yAOLiKmZ5/S2Wuae2847ASyaN2E1dcAr8zEwDZ8cGXTC3U14WJ6+/nBHZYOZYu5wqKWGJN7wiEF5RrwhwDUvAOGG3LvAAJw+t9B7YMphtzFtbS4ldblRe2PdxEnAvCJ6Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060727082015.01c0da00@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060727041129.08F6A3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060727082015.01c0da00@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60ACC5A8-D78C-48F7-B3F9-B138B1EBE321@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: should we name it echoing ? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:59:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1bNx_B.A.LYD.45IyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:59:20 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jul 2006, at 10.01, a k butler wrote: > To make a split between feedback-looping and sample-looping maybe > helps in discussion, but there's actually not a distinct barrier > between those two styles, other than the one produced by lack of > imagination. > With new technology, there's always the opportunity to make "old" > music quicker and easier, and usually that's the first use it gets > put to, but there's also the possibility to make a new music that > no-one heard before, that's something I find interesting. > > andy butler You made my day, Andy! :-) Very well said. > ps > Recently I've been using feedback in a different way, using rapid > drops in feedback level to replace small sections of what is > essentially a "sample" based loop.....so that's feedback, but it's > hardly "echoing". That's an interesting way of using feedback! Sometimes I have also used it create "tremolo" in a loop by rhythmically "pumping" the feedback pedal. Andy's post made me think over my recent musical activities and funnily I found that I rarely do any traditional feedback looping these days. At the moment I'm very keen on applying feedback only when overdubbing. So when I'm looping the background only fades down under my new overdubs. Sometimes I overdub for the entire loop length, which kind of equals traditional feedback looping, but if I punch in certain add-ons here and where this technique creates a musical bed that, sound design wise, resembles the studio technique of "ducking" one track with the sound of another (typical example is a funk/disco mix where the base track is ducked - sidechained - by the kick drum track, thus leaving a well fit "pocket" in long bass notes for the kick to be heard through). With my EDP I achieve this by plugging a dummy into the rear pedal jack and running the EDP in "Replace Mode" and in Mobius I achieve it by working in "Expert Interface Mode", a mode that gives you two types of feedback; one traditional and one to be applied under SUSSubstitute etc. I actually use traditional feedback more on tracks that I'm not recording into (in Mobius that is) to create fade out of other loops while I'm building a new one (like playing and recording a loop to track 4 while using feedback to simultaneously fade out loops on track 3, 7 and 8 - just an example). This post also applies to Ricks thread on "Favorite threads" because, personally, I tend to pick for reading those posts that give practical hints on how to create different musical buildings by using all kinds of techniques in live looping. If I should read everything else I would have to almost stop making my own music (which I make according to my own muse). That's also why I subscribe to single messages; by setting up a mail application rule I have them auto- sorted into a "Loopers" box and by scanning the subject lines I can select and delete bunches in a second (which saves me time for reading the good posts). I save the posts I like locally on all my computers as a sort of "knowledge bank". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 10:01:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AADC3BF12; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cj0j7mCRKjwQ11JUEX0c+NV96DPuVDPnH4F5KbeotzP9nAgHkV4FwC0/PRHSuhcz+5WusU30ENHMJXlVy4HnDrB94mjtFTwbWQhHBu3lpypjosSRQZ/ZXUYFJMpsUR+2T93FfcrZitgkpy73DYOv/V3FASBZXYrNR7IzTw36XOc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49BB0DA0-4AB3-4ABA-84E8-314D17FDBBFB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:01:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:01:43 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jul 2006, at 05.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% improvised > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? Hmm... I can't remember that thread. Interesting, but I must have missed it somehow. What was the percentage we ended up with? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 10:26:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 175DB3BF10; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:26:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:26:18 +0000 (UTC) I don't see anyone discussing when is the best time to prune roses or how to change their spark plugs here. What I do see is a bunch of well informed people united by an interest in, and a love of, looping. If someone wants to ask about VST plugins it's because they are using them in their looping activities. Similarly if they're asking about computer operating systems. While these subjects are not directly about looping surely one can see that they are indirectly about looping? Not only does the poster benefit from the accumulated knowledge of the list but readers are introduced to new ideas and approaches to looping. I found Krispen's account of his various problems and solutions to adopting a laptop based system interesting. Including his reasons of doing so. Otheres are inspired or at least tempted to go down this route as a result. I personally enjoy the breadth of scope offered by ths list and the people behind the ideas. For me it would be a great shame to turn it into a narrow, straightjacketed forum without the nooks and crannies that have become part of the list' personality. G > > If you are making a post and it is not explicitly about looping, you > should really ask yourself 3 or 4 times before you send it: why you are > about to waste hundreds of people's time with an off-topic post? Is this > worth using up list bandwidth, taking up space in the digest, and storing > in the archive forever? > > Just because you think this is an interesting group of people, or you > think someone here might know the answer to your random question, isn't a > good enough reason. Neither is excusing it by telling other people to > delete if they don't want to read your off-topic post. Find a more > appropriate place for that post. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 10:29:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE5303BF12; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005501c6b167$821db290$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:29:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-bn07C.A.RiE.NWJyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget the ever-present "unsubscribe" threads. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 July, 2006 04:16 AM Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% improvised > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or shoe/rack > gazing until u get it right? > > for those who do or care how do you keep your audience > interested,do you always loop? > > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what made > it so great? > > What makes you feel free while playing music?organized > or improvised? > > i know some of this has been brought up in the past > perhaps but i think we all could use a refreshment! > Luis > > > --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the >> young'ins . . . >> >> Some of my favorites went something like: >> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the journey >> that brought you >> here? >> >> 2. Where does your music come from -- what inspires >> you to create it? >> >> 3. What are some of your musical influences -- or >> looping influences >> -- and why? >> >> 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using >> your instrument or FX >> gear in manners other than that it was designed for? >> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you run >> into a "wall", >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when >> you're simply tired, >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of a >> musical "rut." >> >> Peace, >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is >> always different" >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> >> > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >> >> > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >> >> > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? >> >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042 >> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: >> Apple iTunes, >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, >> DiscLogic, Napster, >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >> Etherstream, >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >> Puretracks, >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. >> So??? >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: >> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent >> years >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the >> classic threads >> > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, >> techniques for improving >> > live performances, etc. >> > >> > I know that, personally, these are always the >> threads that have >> > fascinated >> > me and made me love being on this list. >> > >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects >> but it would be cool >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. >> > >> > What were your favorite five threads on this list >> in the past? >> > >> > rick walker >> > aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g >> > www.looppool.info >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 10:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89E833BF1A; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <20060727041129.08F6A3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060727082015.01c0da00@tiscali.co.uk> <60ACC5A8-D78C-48F7-B3F9-B138B1EBE321@gmail.com> Subject: variable feedack Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:30:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:30:47 +0000 (UTC) I also do this guys. I find i can use the rapid pedal movement from 0% to 100% in a rhytmic way to create rhythm out of an amorphous loop. Great fun. Then you can fill the gaps, possibly with something else and on and on.......... g >> Recently I've been using feedback in a different way, using rapid drops >> in feedback level to replace small sections of what is essentially a >> "sample" based loop.....so that's feedback, but it's hardly "echoing". > > That's an interesting way of using feedback! Sometimes I have also used > it create "tremolo" in a loop by rhythmically "pumping" the feedback > pedal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 10:38:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2C643BF1F; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:35:02 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44C896D6.1010501@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:38:24 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 10:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716B03BF25; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IcUjJbfvGw93JUP4SZQMVPfjLCGdmZzZyCYbXxD6YCj9mwHhaXVH83Tg4Q51AA973dV7YHDpWhagjTCu4qPeoKwVUHXZQnFGspDIg/oRLMLf89EETu4y6yp4tppwpLNl6CGqhHtRDKm2p2FbBOVJ8eEeydf4fXypYH5POLKjDQY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060727092724.01bf7918@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060727081917.DB6773BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060727092724.01bf7918@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic [OT] :-) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:42:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_1EoIB.A.VHF.siJyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:42:52 +0000 (UTC) >> The OT list could handle questions on peripherals like DAW's, >> VST's and effects, general philosophy, whatever... >> >> Regardless, it's your list and I'll be do my best to abide by your >> rules. I was just looking for a creative alternative to keep >> things here on track, while still enabling the informative chatter >> here as well. On 27 jul 2006, at 10.31, a k butler wrote: > How about an agreement to put [OT] in the subject line for off > topic posts? > Then it would be easy to filter messages into a couple of different > folders. > > Is that practical? On the Logic-Users list we've decided to make a whole new OT List! I attended that list when it had 500 members and today it's 15000 something. For a while we had five or six different prefixes that users were supposed to write first on the subject line, and it actually worked out well. Ex: All users that had a Windows PC set their mail app's to auto delete the "LAM" (M for Macintosh) and those who used an Apple box had the "LAW" auto deleted (W for Windows). A couple of moderators are always cleaning up the huge input before posts appear on the list. In a way I think the charm of this LD list is that we are not moderated, but an "OT" prefix would be nice IMHO. I think we should also make an effort to put adequate subject lines on our posts. And maybe we should try to assemble more of our thoughts in fewer, but longer and more refined, posts? In order to do that you would need to resist that immediate urge to dive at the send button whenever something pops up, until you have sorted your thoughts into a better write-up ;-) Please don't apply chatroom manners to this mailing list. Maybe Loopers Delight can open a real chat room? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 15:31:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4751F3BF0E; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:31:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: My thoughts on the ELECTRO HARMONIX 2880 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1058108209==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:31:23 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1058108209==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'll post this to the LD website after we've answered any of your questions. LOVE: Fantastic audio quality. Physical knobs and buttons for every function. All level, pan, tempo and click track levels are knobs... you never lose your settings when resetting a loop, like the Repeater... Separate foot controller keeps the knobs near your hands and the timing functions near your feet, uses standard guitar cable to connect to 2880. Each button has one function only, no menus, no double clicking, no "7 footswitch presses to get to insert mode" (ala BOSS RC-50). Separate feedback control over each track, you can simultaneously perform 'looping' and 'echoing' in the same performance simply by selecting the appropriate track. STEREO MIXDOWN TRACK: Great feature! You can bounce the 4 basic loops to a stereo pair, and in addition you can vari-speed the 4 tracks independently of the mixdown. While you bounce down you can manipulate the level, pan and pitch in real time, including the feedback level of the mixdown track! This feature allows a whole new type of performance: Realtime audio manipulation. Physical knobs to control feedback and pitch allow for some entirely new performance possibilities, including DJ type effects... Speaking of which... the MIDI synch (in and out) is really interesting. The unit handles tempo changes by vari-speeding the audio, no glitching or garbled audio as the Repeater does. If you press reverse while synched to MIDI the device responds with the ballistics of a big tape machine, even in record. This can generate some very interesting pitch sweeping effects. ( when the unit is the master, or not synched it reverses instantly) Also, if you record an initial pass while synched to MIDI and the external tempo is set quite high (300bpm, for example) then slow the tempo way down (to say 20bpm) and get some incredible aliasing, ala the original EH 16 second delay... try it! The audio interface is very practical and well thought out: Stereo audio inputs with individual left and right input level control and clipping indicators. In addition, there is a stereo input pan knob which has some very clever functions. When set fully counter-clockwise, the Left Input is monitored at the Left Output and the Right Input is monitored at the Right Output. When Pan is set to the CW position, the Left Input is monitored at the Right Output and the Right Input is monitored at the Left Output. When Pan is set to the middle, both Inputs are mixed to both Outputs. The setting of the DRY OUT Fader and the Pan Pot have no influence on the signal that is recorded. AUX input: This is a purely analog through path which is mixed with the signal from the D/A converter and output to the main audio outputs. This AUX input allows you to mix any other audio source without recording it to the 2880. This makes parallel looping easy, you can use two other mono loopers or a stereo looper and feed the outputs into the 2880 AUX input. This can really open up some sonic ground! Nice sounding headphone amp with level knob. USB 2.0 interface and CF card reader. Never an issue with card compatibility (ala Repeater). WISHES: The ability to store multiple loops on one card would be a great addition, since the device allows so many great performance manipulation options it would be nice to have someplace to keep and access these creations within the unit. You can do so with a computer, but that sort of misses the point. At the moment the workaround is to carry several CF cards, not such a bad option to have. Loop multiply function. It would also be great if the mixdown track could be an independent length, to record evolving loop mutilations. The ability to respond to Midi PC and CC input for the normal front panel functions. (Electro Harmonix have told me that this may be possible to add) Signal present indicators over each channel would be nice, I am spoiled by the Repeater's metering system! I wish that the "Octave" button would work without halving the Midi Clock rate. I wish that smaller capacity Compact Flash cards could be used. Since the current OS only allows one loop to be saved to a card at a time, smaller cards would be perfect for those of us who rely on smaller loops for ambient looping. I typically use loops much shorter than 30 seconds, and this amount of data would fit on a 16MB CF card. These smaller cards are also very inexpensive. I wish that the "New Loop" and "Track Select" buttons were physically swapped on the foot controller (and the unit...) the "New Loop" button is used very infrequently compared to the "Track Select" button. Once underway the "New Loop" button is really more of a panic button. (EH have explained that they built a failsafe into the NEW LOOP function, you can back out of that selection by pressing play: to create a new loop you must press 'new loop" a second time) -- --============_-1058108209==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" My thoughts on the ELECTRO HARMONIX 2880
    I'll post this to the LD website after we've answered any of your questions.


    LOVE:

    Fantastic audio quality.

    Physical knobs and buttons for every function.

    All level, pan, tempo and click track levels are knobs... you never lose your settings when resetting a loop, like the Repeater...

    Separate foot controller keeps the knobs near your hands and the timing functions near your feet, uses standard guitar cable to connect to 2880.

    Each button has one function only, no menus, no double clicking, no "7 footswitch presses to get to insert mode" (ala BOSS  RC-50).

    Separate feedback control over each track, you can simultaneously perform 'looping' and 'echoing' in the same performance simply by selecting the appropriate track.

    STEREO MIXDOWN TRACK: Great feature! You can bounce the 4 basic loops to a stereo pair, and in addition you can vari-speed the 4 tracks independently of the mixdown. While you bounce down you can manipulate the level, pan and pitch in real time, including the feedback level of the mixdown track! This feature allows a whole new type of performance: Realtime audio manipulation.

    Physical knobs to control feedback and pitch allow for some entirely new performance possibilities, including DJ type effects...

    Speaking of which... the MIDI synch (in and out) is really interesting. The unit handles tempo changes by vari-speeding the audio, no glitching or garbled audio as the Repeater does. If you press reverse while synched to MIDI the device responds  with the ballistics of  a big tape machine, even in record. This can generate some very interesting  pitch sweeping effects.  ( when the unit is the master, or not synched it reverses instantly) Also, if you record an initial pass while synched to MIDI and the external tempo is set quite high (300bpm, for example) then slow the tempo way down (to say 20bpm) and get some incredible aliasing, ala the original EH 16 second delay... try it!

    The audio interface is very practical and well thought out:

    Stereo audio inputs with individual left and right input level control and clipping indicators. 
    In addition, there is a stereo input pan knob which has some very clever functions.  When set fully counter-clockwise, the Left Input is monitored at the Left Output and the Right Input is monitored at the Right Output. When Pan is set to the CW position, the Left Input is monitored at the Right Output and the Right Input is monitored at the Left Output. When Pan is set to the middle, both Inputs are mixed to both Outputs. The  setting of the DRY OUT Fader and the Pan Pot have no influence on the signal that is recorded. 

    AUX input: This is a purely analog through path which is mixed with the signal from the D/A converter and output to the main audio outputs. This AUX input allows you to mix any other audio source without recording it to the 2880. This makes parallel looping easy, you can use two other mono loopers or a stereo looper and feed the outputs into the 2880 AUX  input. This can really open up some sonic ground!

    Nice sounding headphone amp with level knob.

    USB 2.0 interface and CF card reader.

    Never an issue with card compatibility (ala Repeater).


    WISHES:

    The ability to store multiple loops on one card would be a great addition, since the device allows so many great performance manipulation options it would be nice to have someplace to keep and access these creations within the unit. You can do so with a computer, but that sort of misses the point. At the moment the workaround is to carry several CF cards, not such a bad option to have.

    Loop multiply function. It would also be great if the mixdown track could be an independent length, to record evolving loop mutilations.

    The ability to  respond to Midi PC and CC input for the normal front panel functions. (Electro Harmonix  have told me that this may be possible to add)

    Signal present indicators over each channel would be nice, I am spoiled by the Repeater's metering system!

    I wish that the "Octave" button would work without halving the Midi Clock rate.

    I wish that smaller capacity  Compact Flash cards could be used. Since the current OS only allows one loop to be saved to a card at a time, smaller cards would be perfect for those of us who rely on smaller loops for ambient looping. I typically use loops much shorter than 30 seconds, and this amount of data would fit on a 16MB CF card. These smaller cards are also very inexpensive.

    I wish that the "New Loop" and "Track Select" buttons were physically swapped on the foot controller (and the unit...) the "New Loop" button is used very infrequently compared to the "Track Select" button. Once underway the "New Loop" button is really more of a panic button. (EH have explained that they built a failsafe into the NEW LOOP function, you can back out of that selection by pressing play: to create a new loop you must press 'new loop" a second time)
    --
    --============_-1058108209==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 15:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1F593BF0D; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1154015015.44c8df27bb5b1@imp5-g19.free.fr> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:43:35 +0200 From: daviD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic References: <20060727153123.DEDE13BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060727153123.DEDE13BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 86.207.13.201 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:43:37 +0000 (UTC) >How about an agreement to put [OT] in the subject line for off topic posts? >Then it would be easy to filter messages into a couple of different folders. > >Is that practical? Not for people who are using the digest version of the list (and I don't think I'm the only one in this case)... A separate list for OT subjects could be a good thing, just like the Analogue Heaven Off Topic list for Analogue Heaven. This way, interested people could still easily talk to each other about anything and people who only want to read things about loopers could stay subscribed to LD... "Simulating the true sounds and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 16:24:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 995733BF06; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Per Boysen Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:23:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: improv vs arrangement Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44C8F693.1468.18242D@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <49BB0DA0-4AB3-4ABA-84E8-314D17FDBBFB@gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:24:49 +0000 (UTC) > On 27 jul 2006, at 05.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% improvised > > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? Due largely to the technicalities (an old jamman), I'm 100% improvised, although I have themes and vague structures. I'd imagine the sample based loopers require a pretty clear head on their shoulders in order to reproduce things closely at different gigs! It's probably a psychological thing, but somehow having pre-prepared samples on flash rom in a pedal would seem to have few advantages (other than cost!) over a laptop based system. I've seen gigs where everything comes from laptop and it seems perilously close to being a DJ. Not that I have anything against DJs, but the skill becomes one of mixing rather than playing. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 16:27:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7918B3BF06; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44C8E974.8020903@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:27:32 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0JkYLB.A.UEC.3lOyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Personally (and I realize that I'm a young'un here (if nowhere else), I'd subscribed for a year or so, then two years off, now I've been back a week and already I'm in the top ten frequent posters list, ack!!) I'm of two minds about the discussion on discussion. 1). This is a looping list, no bones about it. This should be a place for looping talk only, so people know what they're getting when they subscribe, and the archives stay full of information dedicated to this one wonderful thing. There's power in a focus. 2). This is a community, with looping as the draw and the common bond. It's an extremely unique community, being full of people who are generally familiar and/or friendly with technology, and generally familiar with and/or interested in new and unusual music. It also seems unique in that I get the impression that most members are out of their teens and have years of experience to draw from. Hence the discussions and perspectives tend to be very well-informed and interesting, which is not typical for a list group, and everyone can benefit at some time or another from wide-ranging discussions. I see the appeal of both ways of viewing the list. I may be a bit selfish in that this is the only listgroup I'm a part of, so I enjoy participating in whatever topics are being discussed, looping or not. But on the other hand, I wish to respect Kim's vision (and work and bandwidth). I really like the suggestion/reminder a few days ago to take discussions off-list as soon as they turn into one-on-one Q & A sessions. And it's never a bad idea to think a few times before posting, regardless of what it's about (looping or not). I think this could improve the volume of chatter/quality of content ratio in general. I'll shut up for awhile now. :-) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 18:07:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 924383BF08; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DZTQqCCKlVvWthdjWcJs3UKDt77DTVFwzA9YCuNLInucxViRHboeaeRf7EzVOc8Yw03BJKeSwjN8Aon87rY4M108F29hUgGJ0NZKXgtH5to/B5c87i2OW1oJkoYhbJJG4Jncf9XAYC5fGBwUR5ZXwd3SrbBjLpBU2K3gXrucnSQ= ; Message-ID: <20060727180750.38670.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:07:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: improv vs arrangement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44C8F693.1468.18242D@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:07:51 +0000 (UTC) --- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > > On 27 jul 2006, at 05.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > > > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% > improvised > > > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > > Due largely to the technicalities (an old jamman), > I'm 100% improvised, I don't understand that statement. The old JamMan seems really well suited for arranged premeditated loops in a song type of structure... I've seen it done. Just check out Brian Kenny Fresno if you have a chance. I don't think he improvises anything in his shows and he's using that JamMan almost constantly. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 18:14:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F0BF3BF0E; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uO7GnssAn4ucqvQwBcHho1CBB+UyjZCpR5g7pLJObYOiY2o3y/ECTnIpjO6XoyeJ2nLVZ2WjngbD6seHipGsyxdGFBYr/DBuSz00JWnMOnVApUvUav3VFprz01PWK/PXjKXKQiNyUDo9hAqYXDR484zjf+Aave0TdFJeTuaV47I= ; Message-ID: <20060727181440.64605.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: My thoughts on the ELECTRO HARMONIX 2880 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7Wg4OB.A.t-F.RKQyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Can you add to the "wishes" section the ability to store multiple loops and access them ala The Repeater or EDP? --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > I'll post this to the LD website after we've > answered any of your questions. > > > WISHES: > > The ability to store multiple loops on one card > would be a great > addition, since the device allows so many great > performance > manipulation options it would be nice to have > someplace to keep and > access these creations within the unit. You can do > so with a > computer, but that sort of misses the point. At the > moment the > workaround is to carry several CF cards, not such a > bad option to > have. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 18:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E311D3BF11; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <026601c6b0f1$b3546fa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.1.2.0.2.20060726174856.0920d468@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:18:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:18:46 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 27, 2006, at 3:26 AM, gareth whittock wrote: > I personally enjoy the breadth of scope offered by ths list and the > people behind the ideas. For me it would be a great shame to turn it > into a narrow, straightjacketed forum without the nooks and crannies > that have become part of the list' personality. > > G As a "youngster," I agree. Keep the breadth. Just put an [OT] in the header....... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 18:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D318C3BF13; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gSDM67mwrR9i44lZYn3xeINgAT/NwT8mQIfSzgONpaOhs3k4TgJcmcofh1QvMICTYXkdRjR7hH9op0k3qOOSKA1nXP4QPec+Ac797wITEzwBEUrteyCD/k+VMm/2g2X+rqReb6zt2xc73/YpVVW56BAGX4xpMAHJMuwzedCYimo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:27:54 -0600 From: "C 3" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: improv vs arrangement In-Reply-To: <20060727180750.38670.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_143900_1514189.1154024874465" References: <44C8F693.1468.18242D@nick.12testing.net> <20060727180750.38670.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:27:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_143900_1514189.1154024874465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When im doing a solo show (looping) I am 100% improv, i do have some "riffs" that will get recycled/reused as base patterns, but I have nothing "pre-recorded" in any way. I like the improv aspect, the exploration so to say...its a great way to just let the music flow... and let what happens be what happens just my 0.02 C3 On 7/27/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > --- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > > > > On 27 jul 2006, at 05.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > > > > > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% > > improvised > > > > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > > > > Due largely to the technicalities (an old jamman), > > I'm 100% improvised, > > I don't understand that statement. The old JamMan > seems really well suited for arranged premeditated > loops in a song type of structure... I've seen it > done. Just check out Brian Kenny Fresno if you have a > chance. I don't think he improvises anything in his > shows and he's using that JamMan almost constantly. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- Christopher "C3" Cardone APC Instruments ------=_Part_143900_1514189.1154024874465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline When im doing a solo show (looping) I am 100% improv, i do have some "riffs" that will get recycled/reused as base patterns, but I have nothing "pre-recorded" in any way.

    I like the improv aspect, the exploration so to say...its a great way to just let the music flow... and let what happens be what happens

    just my 0.02

    C3

    On 7/27/06, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    --- "nick@12testing.net" <nick@12testing.net> wrote:

    > > On 27 jul 2006, at 05.16, L.A. Angulo wrote:
    > >
    > > > what percentage of loopers go and play 100%
    > improvised
    > > > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage?
    >
    > Due largely to the technicalities (an old jamman),
    > I'm 100% improvised,

    I don't understand that statement.  The old JamMan
    seems really well suited for arranged premeditated
    loops in a song type of structure... I've seen it
    done.  Just check out Brian Kenny Fresno if you have a
    chance.  I don't think he improvises anything in his
    shows and he's using that JamMan almost constantly.

    Mark

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    APC Instruments ------=_Part_143900_1514189.1154024874465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 27 18:51:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59C153BF10; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060727181440.64605.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060727181440.64605.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:51:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: My thoughts on the ELECTRO HARMONIX 2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Yep, I had a long discussion with one of the EH programmers and he said that the problem was coming up with a simple way to store and retrieve loops using the current interface . I suggested using the "Next Loop" button and the 4 track select LEDS to store and access 4 loops on the card.... it's a problem worthy of some intelligent thought. Any suggestions?? >Can you add to the "wishes" section the ability to >store multiple loops and access them ala The Repeater >or EDP? -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 01:28:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E05123BF08; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BNUKJE4njrSfF5CkqilKHr4MyqBwxe4iLdOBpJqgam8XETrdjaQaFX9HIKy+G4uAovL0a5GjdXPIgNkMW7F+7x7hH4rx0TdW4XAP2gVEVvuQv0ixsav3Z1lel4DZIia+DJsLvXfcaJS+8S3NTx+yxbuGU1E/mo4ZjMk7SJOjmcc= ; Message-ID: <20060728012843.39473.qmail@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: off-topic solution proposal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-58041701-1154050123=:37979" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:28:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-58041701-1154050123=:37979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re: the brewing off-topic controversy... I hereby offer the services of the MusicFlames newsgroup as a cerebral catch-basin for all ideas and comments not immediately pertinent to loop technology. If you want to debate active vs. passive pick-up options or how to accelerate frequency response...or for that matter to speculate on the extraterrestrial origins of ancient Sumerian trance posession music, stop by and say hello. We're at: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/music_flames/ MusicFlames...your samsara from the endless cycles of looping and re-looping. Cheers, Monica --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. --0-58041701-1154050123=:37979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
     
     
     
    Re: the brewing off-topic controversy...
    I hereby offer the services of the MusicFlames newsgroup
    as a cerebral catch-basin for all ideas and comments not
    immediately pertinent to loop technology. If you want to debate
    active vs. passive pick-up options or how to accelerate frequency
    response...or for that matter to speculate on the extraterrestrial
    origins of ancient Sumerian trance posession music, stop by and
    MusicFlames...your samsara from the endless cycles of looping and
    re-looping.
     
    Cheers,
    Monica

    Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. --0-58041701-1154050123=:37979-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 02:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3337D3BF0D; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060727215512.01c7f9a0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:02:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: improv vs arrangement In-Reply-To: References: <44C8F693.1468.18242D@nick.12testing.net> <20060727180750.38670.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-53417829 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:02:54 +0000 (UTC) The way I'm using looping is sort combining those improv and arrangement.... As a dulcimer player most of my tunes are quite structured, but with the looping I'm able to create a background that is starting to evolve into a more ambient type of sound then adding the dulcimer melody over the top. I don't use anything prerecorded because I believe that the magic of looping for the audience is knowing that what they are hearing is being created in front of them. I like the analogy of watching an artist paint something in front you. This approach has made the music more interesting for me as well as my audience since it's never quite the same, similar but not the same. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 02:27 PM 7/27/2006, you wrote: >When im doing a solo show (looping) I am 100% improv, i do have some >"riffs" that will get recycled/reused as base patterns, but I have nothing >"pre-recorded" in any way. > >I like the improv aspect, the exploration so to say...its a great way to >just let the music flow... and let what happens be what happens > >just my 0.02 > >C3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 04:29:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0193BF0D; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:29:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Can I post again? Please? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% improvised > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? That's my bag all right....everything I do these days is totally spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal. > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or shoe/rack > gazing until u get it right? To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not be afraid of errors. There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect loops. On occasion, I might play something that doesn't ring well with me emotionally (neither correct nor incorrect), but I always manage to work with it somehow. It becomes part of me just like all my other personality, physical, and psychological flaws as a human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and my foot fails me (maybe because I have had one too many cups of coffee or drank too much alcohol), generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather than what my brain wanted to do initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis of what I do afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on playing a 4/4 phrase but it ends up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or 11/8. In fact, I don't even count anymore. I never know what time signature I am in unless I consciously stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. Everything is feel to me now. > for those who do or care how do you keep your audience > interested,do you always loop? I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want to say. Music is much easer as language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop and say thank you at the end of the show. > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what made > it so great? I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker, and Ted Killian at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. I liked it when some folks were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started looping him self whispering "stop talking". Classic, I loved it. And their set was great. Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds, etc, etc. > What makes you feel free while playing music?organized > or improvised? Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least, metaphorically. I tend to subscribe to hard determinism these days...no free will, just chemistry, neurons, cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm determined to do what I do. Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum. That would be an unproveable premise, btw. > i know some of this has been brought up in the past > perhaps but i think we all could use a refreshment! > Luis Thanks for asking! Kris > --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the >> young'ins . . . >> >> Some of my favorites went something like: >> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the journey >> that brought you >> here? >> >> 2. Where does your music come from -- what inspires >> you to create it? >> >> 3. What are some of your musical influences -- or >> looping influences >> -- and why? >> >> 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using >> your instrument or FX >> gear in manners other than that it was designed for? >> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you run >> into a "wall", >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when >> you're simply tired, >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of a >> musical "rut." >> >> Peace, >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is >> always different" >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> >> > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >> >> > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >> >> > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? >> >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042 >> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: >> Apple iTunes, >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, >> DiscLogic, Napster, >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >> Etherstream, >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >> Puretracks, >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. >> So??? >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: >> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent >> years >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the >> classic threads >> > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, >> techniques for improving >> > live performances, etc. >> > >> > I know that, personally, these are always the >> threads that have >> > fascinated >> > me and made me love being on this list. >> > >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects >> but it would be cool >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. >> > >> > What were your favorite five threads on this list >> in the past? >> > >> > rick walker >> > aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g >> > www.looppool.info >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 04:54:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 573B63BF11; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060727214427.086f5c88@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:53:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: My thoughts on the ELECTRO HARMONIX 2880 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8l4ZXD.A.nQ.yhZyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:54:11 +0000 (UTC) At 08:31 AM 7/27/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >Separate feedback control over each track, you can simultaneously perform >'looping' and 'echoing' in the same performance simply by selecting the >appropriate track. I was a little uncertain about the feedback controls when I had the 2880 demoed for me at NAMM. Is it correct that the same slider used for controlling track feedback also controls the output level of the track? And the feedback is only active during overdub and track levels only active when not in overdub? So how does that work in practice? It would seem to me that when switching overdub on and off you would be switching back and forth between feedback and mix levels for the tracks. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 06:16:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F275A3BF0F; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:16:47 +0000 Message-Id: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6642_1154067407_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:16:50 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6642_1154067407_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Our man Flint says "Just because there is a space, doesn't mean you have to fill it. Yes, I realize this idea may not make sense to a lot of loopers" Tasteless as this question may be to ask of him who is Kim...here goes. How often do you actually loop and what do you use to not fill in this "space" as it were...old bean? With more due respect than my remarks might suggest. bryan helm. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6642_1154067407_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Our man Flint says "Just because there is a space, doesn't mean you have to fill it.
    Yes, I realize this idea may not make sense to a lot of loopers" Tasteless as this question may be to ask of him who is Kim...here goes. How often do you actually loop and what do you use to not fill in this "space" as it were...old bean? With more due respect than my remarks might suggest.
     
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    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6642_1154067407_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 06:52:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953FA3BF0A; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bDVWHXPsAFAkhxy1y8gkqoEt6kQ3Pl+ifcZvo/IJJXX+Wr2987M3MLJe3m71sjD+421JodwtYFlN3gvlwc2lweIRWbfBCe96yQZjXCU/WMJj4CBxiVeII0GPqyoMAVJmN9MiS8SsW7lOSdhht3BLLk2NDdD8yDSnNg4guf4Pj08= ; Message-ID: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Do it man! i guess the question about correcting a loop that has gone wrong would apply more to loops that are supposed to be perfect in sync or when trying to play something really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP has become my looper of preference,with this machine i can comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non latency response and well thought out edit capabilities give me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i often had little groove problems,i often had to adapt to its little latency which made it a bit uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its cool features like panning,pitch shifting track muting etc. so i would just say to the audience stay with me folks i promise i will get it right;-) cheers Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Can I post again? Please? :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > > > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% > improvised > > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > > That's my bag all right....everything I do these > days is totally > spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal. > > > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop > > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or > shoe/rack > > gazing until u get it right? > > To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not > be afraid of errors. > There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect > loops. On occasion, I > might play something that doesn't ring well with me > emotionally (neither > correct nor > incorrect), but I always manage to work with it > somehow. It becomes part of > me just like all my other personality, physical, and > psychological flaws as > a > human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and > my foot fails me (maybe > because I have had one too many cups of coffee or > drank too much alcohol), > generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather > than what my brain > wanted to do > initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis > of what I do > afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on > playing a 4/4 phrase but it > ends > up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or > 11/8. In fact, I don't > even > count anymore. I never know what time signature I am > in unless I consciously > stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. > Everything is feel to me > now. > > > for those who do or care how do you keep your > audience > > interested,do you always loop? > > I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want > to say. Music is much > easer as > language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop > and say thank you at > the end of the show. > > > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what > made > > it so great? > > I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker, > and Ted Killian > at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. I liked > it when some folks > were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started > looping him self > whispering "stop talking". Classic, I loved it. And > their set was great. > Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds, > etc, etc. > > > What makes you feel free while playing > music?organized > > or improvised? > > Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least, > metaphorically. I tend > to subscribe > to hard determinism these days...no free will, just > chemistry, neurons, > cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm > determined to do what I do. > Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum. > That would be an > unproveable premise, btw. > > > i know some of this has been brought up in the > past > > perhaps but i think we all could use a > refreshment! > > Luis > > Thanks for asking! > > Kris > > > > > --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > > > >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the > >> young'ins . . . > >> > >> Some of my favorites went something like: > >> > >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the > journey > >> that brought you > >> here? > >> > >> 2. Where does your music come from -- what > inspires > >> you to create it? > >> > >> 3. What are some of your musical influences -- > or > >> looping influences > >> -- and why? > >> > >> 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using > >> your instrument or FX > >> gear in manners other than that it was designed > for? > >> > >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you > run > >> into a "wall", > >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when > >> you're simply tired, > >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of > a > >> musical "rut." > >> > >> Peace, > >> > >> tEd ® kiLLiAn > >> > >> "Different is not always better, but better is > >> always different" > >> > >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > >> > >> > > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > >> > >> > > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > >> > >> > > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > >> > >> > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? > >> > >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > >> > >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available > at: > >> Apple iTunes, > >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, > >> DiscLogic, Napster, > >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > >> Etherstream, > >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > >> Puretracks, > >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, > blah. > >> So??? > >> > >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> > >> > So many people have joined this list in recent > >> years > >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the > >> classic threads > >> > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, > >> techniques for improving > >> > live performances, etc. > >> > > >> > I know that, personally, these are always the > >> threads that have > >> > fascinated > >> > me and made me love being on this list. > >> > > >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects > >> but it would be cool > >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. > >> > > >> > What were your favorite five threads on this > list > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 06:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C83A3BF18; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,190,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="1470324097:sNHT27140574" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33--331300836 Message-Id: <367ee7da640ede52bd1c692c8048c97c@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:52:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:52:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-33--331300836 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi ho! Can I post one too? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > >> what percentage of loopers go and play 100% improvised >> loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > >> how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop >> abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or shoe/rack >> gazing until u get it right? It varies. I've gone through phases of doing all my looping live and =20 finding my way as I went. Then I'd go through another turn of mind where I get =20= to thinking I should really be much more disciplined and concise in my =20 soloing, compositional thinking and playing and then swing back the other way . =20= . . or at least I'd try to. At times I've become my own worst cover band. =20= Repeatable results (like in science) was the order of the day. I'm rather bad at =20= it however. It never lasts long. Much earlier though, I went through a long time of using only live, =20 real-time created loops. Then, about 12-13 years ago, I started to think "Been there, =20 done that," and I began to use a sampler to play some canned loops of "found =20 sounds" and weird tonalities I'd created in the computer . . ones that I could =20 never have created with just a guitar and FX processing in real time. I'd always play guitar over it . . . and these pieces would still be =20 mainly guitar compositions . . . but it allowed me to broaden my tonal palette =20= just a little, and gave me a canvas to heave great gobs of noise at in a =20 free and unfettered way. Playing improvised guitar and loops over a just a few =20= canned textures and oddball rhythms really allowed me to relax a bit, and it =20= freed me to do the tiny little thing that I feel I'm more-or-less pretty good =20= at. I'm not good at everything let's face it. Few of us are. About a year ago I tried to incorporate an Adrenalinn II into the =20 set-tup and toyed with that for a good while. I never was totally satisfied with the result live -- but I may still try it again sometime. Now I'm back =20= to just playing live loops of guitar and guitar -controlled synth and sampler. I'm back to where I was about 20 years ago. Noodling around in a semi-disciplined/undisciplined manner, finding my way as I go. I do not think there is any special virtue in doing one thing or the =20 other. The proof is in the music. Taking special pride in being a one-man- band is all well and good, but maybe a little foolish if you limit =20 yourself to just that. Think of all of the other interesting musicians you might =20 never get to know or play with because you don't know anything about musical etiquette or getting along with others in an ensemble. The same is true with insisting on only using "live" loops that you can create "in the moment" -- as though the music will necessarily be any superior to something that had some part "canned." Some see some sort of extra earned "bragging rights" in that. I don't really. I've =20 been in both places. The only thing that matters is the music itself. I've been trying for the past year (somewhat thwarted by my left-hand, burnt finger injuries in early April) to get back to playing more guitar and trying to think of myself less as a looper who plays guitar than a guitarist/composer who utilizes loops (among other things). I could think of nothing sadder than if my music's only distinction (when I'm turning up daisies someday) is just that it had loops in it, or I used a particular FX box, some bit of software on some computer or another (if I ever get around to taking the laptop plunge). I've been looping (one way or another) since '81 or '82. It's a big part of what I do and part of my love for making music and my appreciation for the times we live in (politically dark though they may often seem). Looping formed a good part of who I am musically . . . but is not me. I don't want it to define me. If all of the electricity in the world =20 ceased to function tomorrow. I think I could still make interesting music. I =20= like to tell myself that at least. Heheheh. It might get me out and playing with others a lot more too. I spend too much time on my own musically. Other folks input gives you perspective . . . even if you don't agree with them on some points. That's one of =20= the things I really appreciate about this list (tips invisible hat to Kim). Before I got on it, there were very few people that I was aware of that were doing anything similar to myself (other than the famous Frippster, David Torn, Paul Dresher and a few academics, or so I thought). Even my good pal Jeff Kaiser was not looping (per se) back then. I flattered myself (groan) to imagine myself so unique and alone in my little corner of the universe. I've learned so much since then . . . and I've made =20 many many friends too. I'm no longer alone . . . and . . . happily . . . not so central and =20 significant in my own bubble universe. There are other people here. Many (if not most) make better use of loops . . and a lot better music than I do. I am honored to be among this crowd and I even get invited to play with some of you in various places. How cool is that? As for bad loops on stage . . . waddya mean? I meant to play that . . . over and over and over and over . . . . . A "clam" (wrong note) that is played just once may still be a "clam." But, a looped "clam" becomes an opportunity to make a discovery in unexpected musical territory. I AGONIZE worst over single notes I played in passing . . . but seldom over loops that "went wrong" any more. It's a fun challenge to make someting "artful" and "satifying" out of the haphazard glitches that human error (especially my human error) induces and produces. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-33--331300836 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi ho! Can I post one too? ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" < what percentage of loopers go and play 100% improvised loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or shoe/rack gazing until u get it right? It varies. I've gone through phases of doing all my looping live and finding=20 my way as I went. Then I'd go through another turn of mind where I get to thinking I should really be much more disciplined and concise in my soloing, compositional thinking and playing and then swing back the other way . . . or at least I'd try to. At times I've become my own worst cover band. Repeatable=20 results (like in science) was the order of the day. I'm rather bad at it however. It never lasts long. Much earlier though, I went through a long time of using only live, real-time created=20 loops. Then, about 12-13 years ago, I started to think "Been there, done that,"=20 and I began to use a sampler to play some canned loops of "found sounds" and=20 weird tonalities I'd created in the computer . . ones that I could never have created with=20 just a guitar and FX processing in real time.=20 I'd always play guitar over it . . . and these pieces would still be mainly=20 guitar compositions . . . but it allowed me to broaden my tonal palette just a little, and gave me a canvas to heave great gobs of noise at in a free and unfettered way. Playing improvised guitar and loops over a just a few canned=20 textures and oddball rhythms really allowed me to relax a bit, and it freed=20 me to do the tiny little thing that I feel I'm more-or-less pretty good at. I'm not good at everything let's face it. Few of us are. About a year ago I tried to incorporate an Adrenalinn II into the set-tup and toyed with that for a good while. I never was totally satisfied with=20 the result live -- but I may still try it again sometime. Now I'm back to just=20 playing live loops of guitar and guitar -controlled synth and sampler. I'm back to where I was about 20 years ago. Noodling around in a semi-disciplined/undisciplined manner, finding my way as I go. I do not think there is any special virtue in doing one thing or the other. The proof is in the music. Taking special pride in being a one-man-=20 band is all well and good, but maybe a little foolish if you limit yourself to=20 just that. Think of all of the other interesting musicians you might never=20 get to know or play with because you don't know anything about musical=20= etiquette or getting along with others in an ensemble.=20 The same is true with insisting on only using "live" loops that you can=20 create "in the moment" -- as though the music will necessarily be any superior to something that had some part "canned." Some see some sort of extra earned "bragging rights" in that. I don't really. I've been in both places. The only thing that matters is the music itself. I've been trying for the past year (somewhat thwarted by my left-hand, burnt finger injuries in early April) to get back to playing more guitar and trying to think of myself less as a looper who plays guitar than a guitarist/composer who utilizes loops (among other things). I could=20 think of nothing sadder than if my music's only distinction (when I'm turning up daisies someday) is just that it had loops in it, or I used a=20 particular FX box, some bit of software on some computer or another (if I ever get around to taking the laptop plunge). I've been looping (one way or another) since '81 or '82. It's a big part of what I do and part of my love for making music and my appreciation=20 for the times we live in (politically dark though they may often seem). Looping formed a good part of who I am musically . . . but is not me.=20 I don't want it to define me. If all of the electricity in the world ceased=20 to function tomorrow. I think I could still make interesting music. I like=20 to tell myself that at least. Heheheh. It might get me out and playing with others a lot more too. I spend too much time on my own musically. Other folks input gives you perspective . . . even if you don't agree with them on some points. That's one of the=20 things I really appreciate about this list (tips invisible hat to Kim). Before I got on it, there were very few people that I was aware of that were doing anything similar to myself (other than the famous Frippster,=20 David Torn, Paul Dresher and a few academics, or so I thought). Even my good pal Jeff Kaiser was not looping (per se) back then. I flattered=20 myself (groan) to imagine myself so unique and alone in my little corner=20 of the universe. I've learned so much since then . . . and I've made many=20 many friends too.=20 I'm no longer alone . . . and . . . happily . . . not so central and significant=20 in my own bubble universe. There are other people here. Many (if not most) make better use of loops . . and a lot better music than I do. I am honored to be among this crowd and I even get invited to play with some of you in various places. How cool is that? As for bad loops on stage . . . waddya mean? I meant to play that . . . over and over and over and over . . . . . A "clam" (wrong note) that is=20 played just once may still be a "clam." But, a looped "clam" becomes=20 an opportunity to make a discovery in unexpected musical territory. I AGONIZE worst over single notes I played in passing . . . but seldom over loops that "went wrong" any more. It's a fun challenge to make someting "artful" and "satifying" out of the haphazard glitches that=20 human error (especially my human error) induces and produces. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 9B9A,9B9A,9B9A"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-33--331300836-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 07:01:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9CBE3BF0A; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ytZmwaesGD0rq0TQC+2XM/AD9+ZD/a//HdOmEGmqrv7wXNNC+cuxLgFpqxHH7cvm4HkR0lmM5s+oTVqNwtm9s/Hb310OI3z0dgCJsDSazMb/HQf0GW4eNN7yGm2c0JBdNpkM35iqYnN9/nml1PEMVXkqDgoxMr8beVYBFK1YXXw= ; Message-ID: <00d501c6b213$a8829250$6401a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: organized or improvised (was: Favorite Five Threads on L.D.) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:01:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Somehow related: How many of you are really "musically educated"? I mean can you read a staff?, can you play in all keys?, can you modulate without thinking about it?.... I have no musical training, having always learn by ear and trial/error, I feel it difficult to do live looping without an undo function or without rehearsing before committing the loop. I'm still mainly looping at home, making too much mistakes now to think about some public performance. I also changed my instruments (trying now to play the guitar which of course doesn't help :-)). I like guitar because it easier to transpose and the overdubs doesn't saturate too easily (2 layers of synth sounds already muddy) OK I have fun at home doing a basic I-V-IV in barre chords with some "solo" overdubs but I guess an audience will find it quickly boring. Any recommendation/exercises to improve my looping technics? Something I tried recently is to download some tabs from the net, isolate 2 or 3 measures, play just the lower string, then add the other notes string by string. This is a good way to construct something someone might recognise and allow me to construct chords I wouldn't be able to play yet with my limited left hand mobility. greetings from Belgium, Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" >> how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop >> abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or shoe/rack >> gazing until u get it right? > > To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not be afraid of errors. > There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect loops. On occasion, I > might play something that doesn't ring well with me emotionally (neither > correct nor > incorrect), but I always manage to work with it somehow. It becomes part > of > me just like all my other personality, physical, and psychological flaws > as a > human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and my foot fails me (maybe > because I have had one too many cups of coffee or drank too much alcohol), > generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather than what my brain > wanted to do > initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis of what I do > afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on playing a 4/4 phrase but it > ends > up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or 11/8. In fact, I don't > even > count anymore. I never know what time signature I am in unless I > consciously > stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. Everything is feel to me > now. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 07:16:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B9D63BF0F; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SgOLg/v2vWcstN39K38hYC87M90xN9xBvWuSIXt+xFvyH4Ui/ks7JUHHd63Wh4LqfcQE2NilumOmktKRXaSZFA4URxIhsrlEqXRltaPlnlY+wTPVZ2i/NStsmkjPT/gtzDpNozmrrO0SR3qEkP/rrb+gA6ZR7Aqp7OoWipCGSEg= ; Message-ID: <20060728071612.77542.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Re: should we name it echoing ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060727082015.01c0da00@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-o9OJD.A.qmF.-mbyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Andy id love to hear this new technique of yours man! Your CD is full of inovative ideas that im still learning from it. I guess what i see lately is that there is a change in the way people are looping, perhaps due to the change in looping technology.When i first joined this list about 9 years ago 99% of the looping i heard was "soundscapes" and although i do love it i wanted to hear more song structure looping as well as loops synced to samplers and drum machines,i still find this very challenging to make it creative and dont hear it too often from folks in this list.Claude Voits and some of the older stuff from Lafosse are one of the few ones ive heard. If anybody is doing creative stuff with the EDPs and Akai MPC1000 please let me know! cheers Luis --- a k butler wrote: > At 05:11 27/07/2006, you wrote on LD > >different styles,but allright looping is looping... > >so id like to see fripp or Matthias doing more > >sequence style looping! > >cheers > >Luis > > hi Luis....nice topic > > Fripp seems to be stuck firmly in the tape delay > era, I wonder if > people who worked with that have a block on seeing > the possibilities > of digital looping. > Matthias Grob is already a pioneer in bridging the > gap between the > old and the new, he plays with rhythm and feedback > together. ...but > yes, it would be very nice to hear him trying out > some of the "newer" > techniques. > > It would also be nice if Andre Lafosse would let > some of his glitchy > rhythms fade out once in a while, while building up > a wash over them. > > To make a split between feedback-looping and > sample-looping maybe > helps in discussion, but there's actually not a > distinct barrier > between those two styles, other than the one > produced by lack of imagination. > With new technology, there's always the opportunity > to make "old" > music quicker and easier, and usually that's the > first use it gets > put to, but there's also the possibility to make a > new music that > no-one heard before, that's something I find > interesting. > > andy butler > > ps > Recently I've been using feedback in a different > way, using rapid > drops in feedback level to replace small sections of > what is > essentially a "sample" based loop.....so that's > feedback, but it's > hardly "echoing". > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 07:16:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8FD83BF11; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comcast.net> Subject: process Vs product - warning, long winded but not OT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:16:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6B21E.1BAE5250" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_ctmiB.A.osF.DnbyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:16:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6B21E.1BAE5250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This dichotomy has been bouncing around in the back of my mind for a = while now and the recent thread about Rico loop, or whatever his name = is, has brought it to the surface. I kind of enjoyed watching the video of his performance. I admired his = dexterity. I found him engaging, despite the commercial inserts, (which = I appreciate was his reson d'etre). I found him entertaining. I would probably go and see him if he were = playing near to me.=20 BUT I wouldn't buy his music. I didn't like the music. I've heard better = music in the same genre produced by other methods in a studio or with a = live band. It reminds me of a steve vai concert - 99% of the audience are = guitarists - the other 1% are their supportive partners, (I'm making an = assumtion here). I only liked watching rico because I loop too and I'm interested from = the point of view of improving my own abilities in looping. What I'm taking away from this is that I feel I must divorce the process = from the product. The music must stand on it's own - regardless of how = its made. As musicians we have access to the back room of the phenomenon known to = listeners as music. We know what goes on behind the scenes whether its in terms of theories = of harmony, rhythm, melody or in terms of structure, dexterity, tone = and, in the age of predominantly amplified music, technical sound. Most = listeners don't care about these concepts.=20 What I feel we must aspire to is pure music. Stuff you can pop on the CD = player and love without regard for the way it was made. I got into looping because I loved hearing the effect of dense textures = building a world of majestically repeating, spiralling sound. What I want to know is. How sucessful are you at separating process from = product? Maybe you don't think they should be separated. Maybe you think I'm = wrong. maybemaybemaybemaybmaybmabmaymaymamamamammmmmmmmmmm G ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6B21E.1BAE5250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    This dichotomy has been bouncing around = in the back=20 of my mind for a while now and the recent thread about Rico loop, or = whatever=20 his name is, has brought it to the surface.
    I kind of enjoyed watching the video of = his=20 performance. I admired his dexterity. I found him engaging, despite the=20 commercial inserts, (which I appreciate was his reson = d'etre).
    I found him entertaining. I would = probably go and=20 see him if he were playing near to me.
    BUT
    I wouldn't buy his music. I didn't like = the music.=20 I've heard better music in the same genre produced by other methods in a = studio=20 or with a live band.
    It reminds me of a steve vai = concert  - 99% of=20 the audience are guitarists - the other 1% are their supportive = partners, (I'm=20 making an assumtion here).
    I only liked watching = rico because I loop=20 too and I'm interested from the point of view of improving my own = abilities=20 in looping.
    What I'm taking away from this is that = I feel I=20 must divorce the process from the product. The music must stand on it's = own -=20 regardless of how its made.
    As musicians we have access to the back = room of the=20 phenomenon known to listeners as music.
    We know what goes on behind the scenes = whether its=20 in terms of theories of harmony, rhythm, melody or in terms of = structure,=20 dexterity, tone and, in the age of predominantly amplified music, = technical=20 sound. Most listeners don't care about these concepts.
    What I feel we must aspire to is pure = music. Stuff=20 you can pop on the CD player and love without regard for the way it was=20 made.
    I got into looping because I loved = hearing the=20 effect of dense textures building a world of majestically repeating, = spiralling=20 sound.
    What I want to know is. How sucessful = are you at=20 separating process from product?
    Maybe you don't think they should be = separated.=20 Maybe you think I'm wrong.
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    ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6B21E.1BAE5250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 07:31:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00363BF11; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gAmMOQbAbhOkh7DJ7zTFce+Ghprlcq6XigKMp9bf3I0DJrPnC4sF/3v6O5pgJah2+Xlb50X1xk8zhfwvIXsfT7ejlaFJ1PfWKhUxGaUTqXAGc5385zv8FOe12VcYSxrUgRMsOzzXMBaoezDHQ829NGPqwWJFeKfE9eqrohpLn5c= ; Message-ID: <20060728073114.47890.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Staying on the Looping topic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00da01c6b141$c68f2ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4qeTT.A.cDG.D1byEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:31:16 +0000 (UTC) I also have to mention that(and u ol timers know what i am talking about) there was a time when this list became a battlefield and offensive which was absolutely uneccesary and uneducational yet that didnt seem to be "off topic" and moderation was left up to us.I personally dont mind deviations as long as we can learn something and is related to what we are doing. Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I agree with much of what Kim said in terms of > people disciplining > themselves to stay on the > topic of looping and I have probably been as guilty > of that as anyone. > > That being said, I do want to beg to differ about > this statement: > > "This list is not here to discuss computer > problems, or favorite VST effects, or DAW > recommendations........ > (just to pick on a few random, recent off-topics.)" > > > The fact of the matter is that the major innovations > in the real time > looping world in the past three or so > years have been mostly in the computer software > realm. > > With the exception of the Looperlative there have > not been very many > innovations in the hardware world > at all (with the exception of more powerful floor > effects pedals like the > Boss RC 50). > > Consequently, discussions about things like DAW > recommendations (because > live looping VSTs HAVE > to be hosted somewhere in your laptop) or VST > effects, which have > everything to do with how your music > is manifest if you are using a laptop computer set > up to loop live are > extremely pertinent to the world > of live looping. > > I'm actually still almost entirely a hardware live > looper but there are no > ifs, ands or buts about it, there is a lot > out there in the laptop software world that is > rapidly changing the playing > field (from Augustus loop to Mobius > to Ableton's Live, etc.) > > The computer software live looping solutions are in > their infancy so there > are bound to be discussions > about what's wrong with them or what types of > computers are most appropriate > to solve those solutions. > Not everyone is going to chose that solution, > necessarily but I imagine it > takes up a lot of thought in a lot > of people doing looping in front of an audience in > real time. > > At the looping festivals the number of people using > laptop/software looping > solutions has risen dramatically in the past three > years. > > If , however, the majority of people on this list > think that these are > innapropriate 'off topic' posts then I am willing > to cease and desist my own discussions of these > things but I don't think > they are. > > I also agree, though , that reeling those > discussions into only things that > dovetail into live looping should be our task. > > respectfully, Rick Walker > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 07:41:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88DFC3BF08; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mark sottilaro Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:40:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: improv vs arrangement Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44C9CD87.10156.11AF67@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20060727180750.38670.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:41:12 +0000 (UTC) On 27 Jul 2006 at 11:07, mark sottilaro wrote: > > --- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > > Due largely to the technicalities (an old jamman), I'm 100% improvised, > I don't understand that statement. The old JamMan > seems really well suited for arranged premeditated > loops in a song type of structure... Sorry, I didn't make myself clear - I meant by comparison with the modern machines, where you can easily store multiple loops and switch / mix between them to create an arrangement, rather than the jamman "buld up, fade away" variety. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 07:52:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DF223BF12; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tMM8GVRNn4RGuxoY9U9MEztiW2K5UukZctZvReWDAekZY51gQt91MCAsMVgokgtm8cvf6bIKjJe9VM7DYGUmfghMp5gttvpMigWexUMwN35dNTGqnI/tJ9KXpculjBlRbhUoxsUHkcMZu307P0m1M/ugLQZLK0gP7bYwnh6R1bk= ; Message-ID: <20060728075212.43880.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: organized or improvised (was: Favorite Five Threads on L.D.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d501c6b213$a8829250$6401a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 07:52:15 +0000 (UTC) I bet most of us only make these mistakes alone at home.I dont have an undo function and I think it keeps me on my toes while performing,maybe i just get very lucky.I like to walk on the thin ice,knowing there are lobster traps in the depths below.It helps me to be sort of "out there"and its very rewarding when you take a listener there.You know that look of amazement they get that is kinda like a glow/gleam in the eye? Have a fantastic journey, Danny deaf dumb and blind. --- Ben wrote: > Somehow related: > How many of you are really "musically educated"? > I mean can you read a staff?, can you play in all > keys?, can you modulate > without thinking about it?.... > I have no musical training, having always learn by > ear and trial/error, I > feel it difficult to do live looping without an undo > function or without > rehearsing before committing the loop. > I'm still mainly looping at home, making too much > mistakes now to think > about some public performance. > I also changed my instruments (trying now to play > the guitar which of course > doesn't help :-)). > I like guitar because it easier to transpose and the > overdubs doesn't > saturate too easily (2 layers of synth sounds > already muddy) > OK I have fun at home doing a basic I-V-IV in barre > chords with some "solo" > overdubs but I guess an audience will find it > quickly boring. > > Any recommendation/exercises to improve my looping > technics? > Something I tried recently is to download some tabs > from the net, isolate 2 > or 3 measures, play just the lower string, then add > the other notes string > by string. This is a good way to construct something > someone might recognise > and allow me to construct chords I wouldn't be able > to play yet with my > limited left hand mobility. > > greetings from Belgium, > > Ben > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > >> how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop > >> abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or > shoe/rack > >> gazing until u get it right? > > > > To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not > be afraid of errors. > > There are no errors", I never play bad or > incorrect loops. On occasion, I > > might play something that doesn't ring well with > me emotionally (neither > > correct nor > > incorrect), but I always manage to work with it > somehow. It becomes part > > of > > me just like all my other personality, physical, > and psychological flaws > > as a > > human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and > my foot fails me (maybe > > because I have had one too many cups of coffee or > drank too much alcohol), > > generating a loop that is an 8th note longer > rather than what my brain > > wanted to do > > initially, that instantly becomes the norm and > basis of what I do > > afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on > playing a 4/4 phrase but it > > ends > > up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 > or 11/8. In fact, I don't > > even > > count anymore. I never know what time signature I > am in unless I > > consciously > > stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. > Everything is feel to me > > now. > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos > questions quelque soit le sujet ! > Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos > connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 08:02:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0FBB3BF10; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vL+uwxwsDknDaBLRTlPAMfqyBoKhkmljPdU55Z7GJjT0HQFMd1C7UtH5C8sEu4R568Fdka1LaM+H7aUMWcQhXTmN7JWsB4psXRilCf+XtNxPjHLsKtRo9P4XeqL2iz8dmngY5tgW/RijtWJTjTp366yuwHWkJrYSVJnjyCQ8hJA= ; Message-ID: <20060728080217.50616.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: should we name it echoing ? (was RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3FZntD.A.fUH.KScyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Its beautiful stuff Matthias you are the master at it and i love your CD keep evolving my friend. Luis --- Matthias Grob wrote: > no, Luis > if you listen to how my pieces develop, you dont > think of an echo. > Its about evolution, substitution... > > >I see slowly two diferent types of looping here and > it > >occurs to me that none of the loopers video demos > show > >the use of the feedback feature... > >should we name looping with feedback perhaps > echoing? > >Luis > > > >--- Jeff Kaiser > wrote: > > > >> On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> > >> > continuing to add layers without being able to > >> reduce > >> > the amount of accumulated sound (I have come > to > >> refer to this as the > >> > "Lobster trap") is neither artistic nor > creative. > >> > >> > >> Ahh, dogma! Fundamentalist loopers unite! I love > >> rules! :-) > >> > >> All options are good....and have creative > >> possiblilities....I don't > >> personally use a feedback control function, but > am > >> glad to see it as an > >> option for those that want it. > >> > >> Feedback control is good, no feedback control is > >> good. > >> > >> My dogma is: The truth is the sum of all dogmas. > >> > >> Now, back to this evening's ale of choice: > Piraat. > >> > >> BTW, Kris Hartung, I miss the Bitter Creek Ale > >> house!!! Rogue XS Old > >> Crustacean Barleywine ale rocks...... > >> > >> :-) > >> > >> best regards, > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> > > > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > > > ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 08:04:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EBD13BF0C; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,190,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="1470490976:sNHT33223796" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-34--327001681 Message-Id: <6d2d27b879e4b4f6137bf7535dad8c3a@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: process Vs product - warning, long winded but not OT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:04:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:04:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-34--327001681 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gareth, I missed the whole thread about Rico. But I tend to agree with your =20 assessment of "product vs process." As I've said recently elsewhere, if all we (or our music) were =20 remembered for (should we be so lucky to be remembered at all) is our association with =20= a particular piece of gear and our technological method of producing said =20= music . . . not the product itself but the hardware, technique, the process . =20= . . it would be a rather pointless and sad thing. In another arena it would be like being remembered as the lucky owner of a rare Stradivarius violin and regarded more for that than for for =20= the music you played on it. How pathetic. I know a lot of pretty mediocre middle-aged guys who now have disposable income enough to afford an expensive instrument or amp and take more =20 pride and personal validation in that than the music they can (or cannot) =20 play on it. Look at me! Look at me! I've got a big (fill in the blank). Am I cool =20= yet? Bigger amp, taller rack, faster picking on pointier guitars . . . It's =20= sort of like the great big pickup trucks and big tires all over the highways over here =20= in the US. All of these pin-headed little guys (and gals) buy these Hummers and =20 stuff to compensate for something they feel they lack elsewhere. It's as sure =20= as human nature. Anywho . . . I digress. Pure music. That's where it's at. I'm ugly, I'm old, I'm grey-haired =20 and fat. Ain't nobody gonna think I'm cool at this point anyway, no matter what I do. =20= I'm making this noise for myself and my colleagues and friends on this list . . . =20= my tribe. If my gear isn't all old obsolete crapolla now it will be someday. Love of =20 music itself is the only real valid point for playing it in the first place. On the other hand . . . maybe I'm compensating for something too. Oh =20 hell. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-34--327001681 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 0000,0000,0000Gareth, I missed the whole thread about Rico. But I tend to agree with your assessment=20 of "product vs process."=20 As I've said recently elsewhere, if all we (or our music) were remembered for=20 (should we be so lucky to be remembered at all) is our association with a=20 particular piece of gear and our technological method of producing said music . . . not the product itself but the hardware, technique, the process . . . it would=20 be a rather pointless and sad thing.=20 In another arena it would be like being remembered as the lucky owner=20 of a rare Stradivarius violin and regarded more for that than for for the music=20 you played on it. How pathetic. I know a lot of pretty mediocre middle-aged guys who now have disposable income enough to afford an expensive instrument or amp and take more pride=20 and personal validation in that than the music they can (or cannot) play on it. Look at me! Look at me! I've got a big (fill in the blank). Am I cool yet? Bigger amp, taller rack, faster picking on pointier guitars . . . It's sort of like the=20 great big pickup trucks and big tires all over the highways over here in the US.=20 All of these pin-headed little guys (and gals) buy these Hummers and stuff=20 to compensate for something they feel they lack elsewhere. It's as sure as human nature. Anywho . . . I digress. Pure music. That's where it's at. I'm ugly, I'm old, I'm grey-haired and fat. Ain't nobody gonna think I'm cool at this point anyway, no matter what I do. I'm making=20 this noise for myself and my colleagues and friends on this list . . . my tribe. If my=20 gear isn't all old obsolete crapolla now it will be someday. Love of music itself is=20 the only real valid point for playing it in the first place.=20 On the other hand . . . maybe I'm compensating for something too. Oh hell. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 9B9A,9B9A,9B9A"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???0000,0000,0000=20 = --Apple-Mail-34--327001681-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 08:28:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFE033BF0F; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?=" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:27:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: "getting away with" glitches Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44C9D899.6886.3CEF9C@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <367ee7da640ede52bd1c692c8048c97c@charter.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:28:20 +0000 (UTC) On 27 Jul 2006 at 23:52, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > It's a fun challenge to make someting "artful" > and "satifying" out of the haphazard glitches that human error > (especially my human error) induces and produces. Absolutely. I remember about 15 years ago I was recording a soundscape that seemed to be going well until my 3 year old daughter helped me by adding some "un-volumed" notes. Cursing fluently, I carried on to a conclusion. As I listened back, dreading the moment, it sounded perfectly in context and actually brought some life to the piece. I still have similar moments, especially when using the guitar synth. Many of my patches have a slow attack, so I don't need to juggle with the volume control, but there's also a bank of kotos, banjos & so forth. What a joyful moment when with a misplaced tap of the toe, a loud mini-moog bass note rings out over a contemplative section! As Ted says, the fun is then to "make it work". In many ways, looping is the perfect example of the motto "if you play a bum note, play it again and pretend it's jazz". All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 08:32:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89C353BF15; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060727090146.168040@gmx.net> References: <20060727090146.168040@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <7f541ba7aa1a1587498e7af05ef331ca@virgin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: geoff smith Subject: Re: RC-50 & "Insert" (edp) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:53:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Thanks does it happen instantly or do you hear it on the next time around. I really liked that about the edp the fact that you could insert=20 replace something but not hear it until the next loop cycle it was a=20 very creative and also cunning way to deconstruct a loop and change it=20= into something musically different. if the boss does that i may leave sooperlooper and go back to hardware=20= as overdub and inserting are the two most important functions to me. cheers geoff On 27 Jul 2006, at 10:01, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi > > here was a question on the forum if the RC-50 has an "Insert" fucntion=20= > like edp. > Just checked the EDP manual. > So, basically the RC-50 has three "OVERDUB MODES": > - OVERDUB: works like normal Overdub > - REPLACE: works like Substitute on EDP I guess > - PUNCH-IN: like REPLACE, but just as long as pedal is pressed. > > there is no insert in a way that you can put something in the middle=20= > of a loop and make it longer. > It can be only done to some extencd with a work-around - I figured out=20= > that you can do pretty much everything - more or less - with some=20 > work-around on the RC-50 (just needs 7 pedal presses instead of 2 ;-). > > Best regards > Buzap > --=20 > > > "Feel free" =96 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 08:52:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 090433BF0F; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f401c6b223$14c6f320$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <026a01c6b0f2$5e37d790$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:51:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 08:52:00.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[171D1820:01C6B223] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:52:03 +0000 (UTC) My favourite 5 threads : 1. looping technics (feedback, insert, etc....) 2. the "how do you...." threads (in a gig context, for example) 3. gear rewievs and informations about new hardware/software gear 4. loopers music interests 5. Why looping. Ciao Fabio Anile http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/VIDEO/ http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/Great_Speeches/index.htm http://www.vitaminic.it/artist/eterogeneo/podcast ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:30 PM Subject: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > So many people have joined this list in recent years > that it might be fun to revisit some of the classic threads > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, techniques for improving > live performances, etc. > > I know that, personally, these are always the threads that have > fascinated > me and made me love being on this list. > > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects but it would be cool > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. > > What were your favorite five threads on this list in the past? > > rick walker > aka |()()p.p()()| aka nO thiN-g > www.looppool.info > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 10:37:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06E853BF10; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.196.104] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:37:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 10:37:27.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[D25C8C20:01C6B231] Resent-Message-ID: <5N4sF.A.fqD.pjeyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:37:29 +0000 (UTC) unsuscribe >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:06:47 +0200 > >On 19 jul 2006, at 09.34, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >>I just saw this, and I know there are those interested in lidell...... >>http://www.cycling74.com/download/videos/jamie_lidell_web.mov >>or >>http://tinyurl.com/ldgns >>also other interesting new videos, including Kevin Blechdom: >>http://www.cycling74.com/section/artists > > >Thank you for that link! Very interesting to hear his take on max. Right >now I'm in that situation he describes in the opening scene: having kept >Max on my shopping list for years but never actually had the option to set >aside time to get into it. And lately I've found ways to tweak Möbius into >doing most of my dream tricks, almost everything I wanted to make me a max >patch for, so I guess might be learning max on spare time in the future... >eventually. I'm lazy and frightened by having to sit down and program >(instead of making music) and I have a certain feeling that before I have >even come halfway with Max Jeff Larsson would have fully implemented a >similar function in Mobius ;-) > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > _________________________________________________________________ Découvrez Windows Live Messenger : le futur de MSN Messenger ! www.windowslivemessenger.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:03:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF2983BF11; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:03:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my laptop or VST host crash during a performance. So what would I do if this occurred? I'd naturally play off the prior themes I was creating with my loops and effects, and continue that thread of feel in solo...just the guitar, dry with no effects or looping...I'd do that for a while and then naturally end the piece, take a break, and then reboot. In short, I'd make it "appear" all planned, like most professionals in the entertainment business would do. The show must go on. Of course, the fear of doing otherwise is probably a defect of my compulsive personality, and an overly exaggurated sense of self-pride in my work. I always cringe when most musicians make mistakes or experience gear issues and then make the audience aware of this in detail, completely blowing the feel of the performance. Some performers have a good sense of humor and can pull it off, making jokes and making the audience laugh at the technological blunder...others stumble around and it comes across as really awkward and unprofessional. And then my biggest pet peeve is when performers make mistakes and insist on telling the audience this, self-deprecating themselves in the process. "whoops, sorry, oh, let's try that again...sorry, I need to practice, etc, etc". I feel so embarrassed for people when they do that. I prefer that they just keep going rather than repeat the mistake or section ad nauseum, as if they have to get it right to move on. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > > Do it man! > i guess the question about correcting a loop that has > gone wrong would apply more to loops that are supposed > to be perfect in sync or when trying to play something > really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP has > become my looper of preference,with this machine i can > comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non latency > response and well thought out edit capabilities give > me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i > often had little groove problems,i often had to adapt > to its little latency which made it a bit > uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its cool > features like panning,pitch shifting track muting etc. > so i would just say to the audience stay with me folks > i promise i will get it right;-) > cheers > Luis > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Can I post again? Please? :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L.A. Angulo" >> >> > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% >> improvised >> > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? >> >> That's my bag all right....everything I do these >> days is totally >> spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal. >> >> > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop >> > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or >> shoe/rack >> > gazing until u get it right? >> >> To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not >> be afraid of errors. >> There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect >> loops. On occasion, I >> might play something that doesn't ring well with me >> emotionally (neither >> correct nor >> incorrect), but I always manage to work with it >> somehow. It becomes part of >> me just like all my other personality, physical, and >> psychological flaws as >> a >> human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and >> my foot fails me (maybe >> because I have had one too many cups of coffee or >> drank too much alcohol), >> generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather >> than what my brain >> wanted to do >> initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis >> of what I do >> afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on >> playing a 4/4 phrase but it >> ends >> up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or >> 11/8. In fact, I don't >> even >> count anymore. I never know what time signature I am >> in unless I consciously >> stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. >> Everything is feel to me >> now. >> >> > for those who do or care how do you keep your >> audience >> > interested,do you always loop? >> >> I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want >> to say. Music is much >> easer as >> language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop >> and say thank you at >> the end of the show. >> >> > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what >> made >> > it so great? >> >> I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker, >> and Ted Killian >> at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. I liked >> it when some folks >> were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started >> looping him self >> whispering "stop talking". Classic, I loved it. And >> their set was great. >> Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds, >> etc, etc. >> >> > What makes you feel free while playing >> music?organized >> > or improvised? >> >> Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least, >> metaphorically. I tend >> to subscribe >> to hard determinism these days...no free will, just >> chemistry, neurons, >> cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm >> determined to do what I do. >> Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum. >> That would be an >> unproveable premise, btw. >> >> > i know some of this has been brought up in the >> past >> > perhaps but i think we all could use a >> refreshment! >> > Luis >> >> Thanks for asking! >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> > --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >> > >> >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the >> >> young'ins . . . >> >> >> >> Some of my favorites went something like: >> >> >> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the >> journey >> >> that brought you >> >> here? >> >> >> >> 2. Where does your music come from -- what >> inspires >> >> you to create it? >> >> >> >> 3. What are some of your musical influences -- >> or >> >> looping influences >> >> -- and why? >> >> >> >> 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using >> >> your instrument or FX >> >> gear in manners other than that it was designed >> for? >> >> >> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you >> run >> >> into a "wall", >> >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when >> >> you're simply tired, >> >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of >> a >> >> musical "rut." >> >> >> >> Peace, >> >> >> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >> >> >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is >> >> always different" >> >> >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> >> >> >> >> > >> > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >> >> >> >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? >> >> >> >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042 >> >> >> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available >> at: >> >> Apple iTunes, >> >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, >> >> DiscLogic, Napster, >> >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >> >> Etherstream, >> >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >> >> Puretracks, >> >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, >> blah. >> >> So??? >> >> >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: >> >> >> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent >> >> years >> >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the >> >> classic threads >> >> > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, >> >> techniques for improving >> >> > live performances, etc. >> >> > >> >> > I know that, personally, these are always the >> >> threads that have >> >> > fascinated >> >> > me and made me love being on this list. >> >> > >> >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects >> >> but it would be cool >> >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. >> >> > >> >> > What were your favorite five threads on this >> list >> > === message truncated === > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:08:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2861A3BF12; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <233.c1005ea.31fb743d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:07:57 EDT Subject: dulcimer loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_233.c1005ea.31fb743d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:08:01 +0000 (UTC) --part1_233.c1005ea.31fb743d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/06 10:03:00 PM, phaslem@wightman.ca writes: > As a dulcimer player > paul.....do you have anything recorded?.....i would love to hear your LOOPS.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_233.c1005ea.31fb743d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 7/27/06 10:03:00 PM, phaslem@wightman.ca writes:


    As a dulcimer player<= BR>


    paul.....do you have anything recorded?.....i would love to hear your LOO= PS.....michael



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     --part1_233.c1005ea.31fb743d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:11:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749B93BF15; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a301c6b24f$c265cd90$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060728075212.43880.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Benefits of Undo Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:11:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I'm trying to be a good boy here and appropriately change the subject heading when I change the topic. UNDO, and I don't mean David Kirkdorffer's stuff, which I highly recommend, by the way. I never use it to undo unwanted loops on stage or home, but I my favorite use of Undo is to deconstruct my piece. I basically start hitting Undo, playing with the result a bit, and continue to do so until only the initial loop is left. I really enjoy that as a composition devise. It's like you loop and climax, then then bring everything back to the initial state. I guess you could call it the staircase approach. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:52 AM Subject: Re: organized or improvised (was: Favorite Five Threads on L.D.) > I bet most of us only make these mistakes alone at > home.I dont have an undo function and I think it keeps > me on my toes while performing,maybe i just get very > lucky.I like to walk on the thin ice,knowing there are > lobster traps in the depths below.It helps me to be > sort of "out there"and its very rewarding when you > take a listener there.You know that look of amazement > they get that is kinda like a glow/gleam in the eye? > Have a fantastic journey, > Danny deaf dumb and blind. > > --- Ben wrote: > >> Somehow related: >> How many of you are really "musically educated"? >> I mean can you read a staff?, can you play in all >> keys?, can you modulate >> without thinking about it?.... >> I have no musical training, having always learn by >> ear and trial/error, I >> feel it difficult to do live looping without an undo >> function or without >> rehearsing before committing the loop. >> I'm still mainly looping at home, making too much >> mistakes now to think >> about some public performance. >> I also changed my instruments (trying now to play >> the guitar which of course >> doesn't help :-)). >> I like guitar because it easier to transpose and the >> overdubs doesn't >> saturate too easily (2 layers of synth sounds >> already muddy) >> OK I have fun at home doing a basic I-V-IV in barre >> chords with some "solo" >> overdubs but I guess an audience will find it >> quickly boring. >> >> Any recommendation/exercises to improve my looping >> technics? >> Something I tried recently is to download some tabs >> from the net, isolate 2 >> or 3 measures, play just the lower string, then add >> the other notes string >> by string. This is a good way to construct something >> someone might recognise >> and allow me to construct chords I wouldn't be able >> to play yet with my >> limited left hand mobility. >> >> greetings from Belgium, >> >> Ben >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Krispen Hartung" >> >> how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop >> >> abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or >> shoe/rack >> >> gazing until u get it right? >> > >> > To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not >> be afraid of errors. >> > There are no errors", I never play bad or >> incorrect loops. On occasion, I >> > might play something that doesn't ring well with >> me emotionally (neither >> > correct nor >> > incorrect), but I always manage to work with it >> somehow. It becomes part >> > of >> > me just like all my other personality, physical, >> and psychological flaws >> > as a >> > human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and >> my foot fails me (maybe >> > because I have had one too many cups of coffee or >> drank too much alcohol), >> > generating a loop that is an 8th note longer >> rather than what my brain >> > wanted to do >> > initially, that instantly becomes the norm and >> basis of what I do >> > afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on >> playing a 4/4 phrase but it >> > ends >> > up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 >> or 11/8. In fact, I don't >> > even >> > count anymore. I never know what time signature I >> am in unless I >> > consciously >> > stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. >> Everything is feel to me >> > now. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos >> questions quelque soit le sujet ! >> Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos >> connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. >> http://fr.answers.yahoo.com >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC0563BF0F; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R4iq8vLOuDQ4wqVDk/BoBk9O5O0UMNd8Vg1+uHbLDKjlSSwokOwdCmV7SPmXsSus070IzlCP99Mb8dREI2he7FgKEV1aKETJkQn5qfb4TP0v44nWuvYHSDW+ljZCMoVJnq60nIQGN4LYNTkV+LzzC04N5zN7smTm2x2BtpWQXwg= Message-ID: <913728d60607280723q700c52eay4db1fe2b026b6fd5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:23:03 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc In-Reply-To: <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:23:05 +0000 (UTC) for me, i agree with angulo and his davis quote. If something does sound like it went a little sour, then i just keep playing and work with it...if things are going horribly wrong and i am looping with my two MoFXs, then i just turn the feedback knob down from "loop" and let it fade out and start the next improv...if i am using my jamman and things go wrong, then i either fade it out manually by turning the blend knob more towards the input, or i will pull up a few effects with a completly different sound and hit the stop and immediatly play something totally different and loop that...i am eagerly awaiting my purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for when loops go wrong too :) Charlie On 7/28/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my laptop or = VST > host crash during a performance. So what would I do if this occurred? I'= d > naturally play off the prior themes I was creating with my loops and > effects, and continue that thread of feel in solo...just the guitar, dry > with no effects or looping...I'd do that for a while and then naturally e= nd > the piece, take a break, and then reboot. In short, I'd make it "appear" > all planned, like most professionals in the entertainment business would = do. > The show must go on. Of course, the fear of doing otherwise is probably a > defect of my compulsive personality, and an overly exaggurated sense of > self-pride in my work. > > I always cringe when most musicians make mistakes or experience gear issu= es > and then make the audience aware of this in detail, completely blowing th= e > feel of the performance. Some performers have a good sense of humor and c= an > pull it off, making jokes and making the audience laugh at the technologi= cal > blunder...others stumble around and it comes across as really awkward and > unprofessional. And then my biggest pet peeve is when performers make > mistakes and insist on telling the audience this, self-deprecating > themselves in the process. "whoops, sorry, oh, let's try that again...sor= ry, > I need to practice, etc, etc". I feel so embarrassed for people when the= y > do that. I prefer that they just keep going rather than repeat the mistak= e > or section ad nauseum, as if they have to get it right to move on. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:52 AM > Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > > > > > > Do it man! > > i guess the question about correcting a loop that has > > gone wrong would apply more to loops that are supposed > > to be perfect in sync or when trying to play something > > really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP has > > become my looper of preference,with this machine i can > > comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non latency > > response and well thought out edit capabilities give > > me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i > > often had little groove problems,i often had to adapt > > to its little latency which made it a bit > > uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its cool > > features like panning,pitch shifting track muting etc. > > so i would just say to the audience stay with me folks > > i promise i will get it right;-) > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Can I post again? Please? :) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "L.A. Angulo" > >> > >> > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% > >> improvised > >> > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > >> > >> That's my bag all right....everything I do these > >> days is totally > >> spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal. > >> > >> > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop > >> > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or > >> shoe/rack > >> > gazing until u get it right? > >> > >> To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not > >> be afraid of errors. > >> There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect > >> loops. On occasion, I > >> might play something that doesn't ring well with me > >> emotionally (neither > >> correct nor > >> incorrect), but I always manage to work with it > >> somehow. It becomes part of > >> me just like all my other personality, physical, and > >> psychological flaws as > >> a > >> human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and > >> my foot fails me (maybe > >> because I have had one too many cups of coffee or > >> drank too much alcohol), > >> generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather > >> than what my brain > >> wanted to do > >> initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis > >> of what I do > >> afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on > >> playing a 4/4 phrase but it > >> ends > >> up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or > >> 11/8. In fact, I don't > >> even > >> count anymore. I never know what time signature I am > >> in unless I consciously > >> stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. > >> Everything is feel to me > >> now. > >> > >> > for those who do or care how do you keep your > >> audience > >> > interested,do you always loop? > >> > >> I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want > >> to say. Music is much > >> easer as > >> language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop > >> and say thank you at > >> the end of the show. > >> > >> > whats the best looping show you=B4ve been to? what > >> made > >> > it so great? > >> > >> I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker, > >> and Ted Killian > >> at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. I liked > >> it when some folks > >> were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started > >> looping him self > >> whispering "stop talking". Classic, I loved it. And > >> their set was great. > >> Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds, > >> etc, etc. > >> > >> > What makes you feel free while playing > >> music?organized > >> > or improvised? > >> > >> Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least, > >> metaphorically. I tend > >> to subscribe > >> to hard determinism these days...no free will, just > >> chemistry, neurons, > >> cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm > >> determined to do what I do. > >> Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum. > >> That would be an > >> unproveable premise, btw. > >> > >> > i know some of this has been brought up in the > >> past > >> > perhaps but i think we all could use a > >> refreshment! > >> > Luis > >> > >> Thanks for asking! > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- tEd (r) kiLLiAn wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the > >> >> young'ins . . . > >> >> > >> >> Some of my favorites went something like: > >> >> > >> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the > >> journey > >> >> that brought you > >> >> here? > >> >> > >> >> 2. Where does your music come from -- what > >> inspires > >> >> you to create it? > >> >> > >> >> 3. What are some of your musical influences -- > >> or > >> >> looping influences > >> >> -- and why? > >> >> > >> >> 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using > >> >> your instrument or FX > >> >> gear in manners other than that it was designed > >> for? > >> >> > >> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you > >> run > >> >> into a "wall", > >> >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when > >> >> you're simply tired, > >> >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of > >> a > >> >> musical "rut." > >> >> > >> >> Peace, > >> >> > >> >> tEd (r) kiLLiAn > >> >> > >> >> "Different is not always better, but better is > >> >> always different" > >> >> > >> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > >> >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > >> >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > >> >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > >> >> > >> >> > >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? > >> >> > >> >> step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 > >> >> > >> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available > >> at: > >> >> Apple iTunes, > >> >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, > >> >> DiscLogic, Napster, > >> >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > >> >> Etherstream, > >> >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > >> >> Puretracks, > >> >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, > >> blah. > >> >> So??? > >> >> > >> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent > >> >> years > >> >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the > >> >> classic threads > >> >> > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, > >> >> techniques for improving > >> >> > live performances, etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > I know that, personally, these are always the > >> >> threads that have > >> >> > fascinated > >> >> > me and made me love being on this list. > >> >> > > >> >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects > >> >> but it would be cool > >> >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. > >> >> > > >> >> > What were your favorite five threads on this > >> list > >> > > =3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:32:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577B63BF1F; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAPu6yUSBUIh3 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060728152559.01bee670@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:32:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: improv vs arrangement In-Reply-To: <20060728140801.AE6693BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060728140801.AE6693BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:32:23 +0000 (UTC) >On 27 Jul 2006 at 11:07, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > --- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > > > Due largely to the technicalities (an old jamman), I'm 100% improvised, > > > I don't understand that statement. The old JamMan > > seems really well suited for arranged premeditated > > loops in a song type of structure... > >Sorry, I didn't make myself clear - I meant by comparison with the >modern machines, where you can easily store multiple loops and switch >/ mix between them to create an arrangement, rather than the jamman >"buld up, fade away" variety. >All the best, >Nick Robinson As Mark syncs to a drum machine, the JamMan allows him to switch between different loops really easily. It's because the JamMan makes all loops exactly the same length that it's impractical to try and create more than one loop when there's no guide, it's next to impossible to get the timing accurate . Try shorter loops, ( but I gave up and got an EDP) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:36:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C0A13BF2B; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060727214427.086f5c88@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060727214427.086f5c88@loopers-delight.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:33:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: My thoughts on the ELECTRO HARMONIX 2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Kim, I understand the confusion. I was uncertain of how these would interact, too. The block diagram explains it pretty well, and if this list would allow images I would send it. Simply put, the audio path is arranged so that the output is fed back to the input -post fader-, so in any mode, record, overdub, the fader is active, while in "punch in" mode ( aka "replace" ) the feedback is obviously disabled. I still expect this to present a problem, since the feedback depends on the track levels, but so far it has not been an issue. -CZ >At 08:31 AM 7/27/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>Separate feedback control over each track, you can simultaneously >>perform 'looping' and 'echoing' in the same performance simply by >>selecting the appropriate track. > >I was a little uncertain about the feedback controls when I had the >2880 demoed for me at NAMM. Is it correct that the same slider used >for controlling track feedback also controls the output level of the >track? And the feedback is only active during overdub and track >levels only active when not in overdub? So how does that work in >practice? It would seem to me that when switching overdub on and off >you would be switching back and forth between feedback and mix >levels for the tracks. > > > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:44:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2893BF15; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Benefits of Undo Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:44:15 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001101c6b254$4d075140$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <00a301c6b24f$c265cd90$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcayT8JhIPqCEoq2TBGNUpWZ7viCUQAAK5Kw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:44:23 +0000 (UTC) > I never use it to undo unwanted loops on stage or home, but I > my favorite use of Undo is to deconstruct my piece. I > basically start hitting Undo, playing with the result a bit, > and continue to do so until only the initial loop is left. I > really enjoy that as a composition devise. It's like you loop > and climax, then then bring everything back to the initial > state. I guess you could call it the staircase approach. ...which reaches its most efficient implementation with a looper which also offers a redo function, multiple loops and multiple tracks (in other words: Mobius, don't know about the Looperlative). And this offers some very creative arrangement options when used to un/redo not only overdubs but also (more or less) radical editing steps. Think e.g. looping some chord progression, the susunroundedmultiplying one short chord out of it, and then by un- and redoing splicing this short quickly repeating percussive chord into the progression... btw Jeff, why isn't there a SusUndo and SusRedo? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7B1A3BF1A; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CA22FC.2010305@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:45:16 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) References: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60607280723q700c52eay4db1fe2b026b6fd5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <913728d60607280723q700c52eay4db1fe2b026b6fd5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60 seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review, edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > ...i am eagerly awaiting my > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for > when loops go wrong too :) > > Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 14:56:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853133BF28; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XgZB3+u2GQX9PAhPQuR5r80W6i6UrKFjoEQwqS5HdFUxFgPpdqDV9mR7+OUMXeCaZIkK0rdpUkk+WUqoFy0pXuV2ljo8vtuV+k6e9+1/ElJh9u3HotHbzYvFIGk6dU/SNhpCYmTEJ2duDgVDpEI6TsFqwLhLqmHY42pMg+rlPKM= Message-ID: <913728d60607280756x6db72367ge1cd484a204f6beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:56:30 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) In-Reply-To: <44CA22FC.2010305@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60607280723q700c52eay4db1fe2b026b6fd5@mail.gmail.com> <44CA22FC.2010305@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:56:33 +0000 (UTC) i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look pretty cool :) i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort, and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching, so i hope to have it soon :) and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) Charlie On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60 > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. > > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. > > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review, > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for > > when loops go wrong too :) > > > > Charlie > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 17:44:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49FB43BF0C; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.103.253.5] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:44:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 17:44:26.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[7808A650:01C6B26D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:44:31 +0000 (UTC) unsuscribe >From: Per Boysen >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Lidell on Max/MSP and looping.... >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:06:47 +0200 > >On 19 jul 2006, at 09.34, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >>I just saw this, and I know there are those interested in lidell...... >>http://www.cycling74.com/download/videos/jamie_lidell_web.mov >>or >>http://tinyurl.com/ldgns >>also other interesting new videos, including Kevin Blechdom: >>http://www.cycling74.com/section/artists > > >Thank you for that link! Very interesting to hear his take on max. Right >now I'm in that situation he describes in the opening scene: having kept >Max on my shopping list for years but never actually had the option to set >aside time to get into it. And lately I've found ways to tweak Möbius into >doing most of my dream tricks, almost everything I wanted to make me a max >patch for, so I guess might be learning max on spare time in the future... >eventually. I'm lazy and frightened by having to sit down and program >(instead of making music) and I have a certain feeling that before I have >even come halfway with Max Jeff Larsson would have fully implemented a >similar function in Mobius ;-) > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > _________________________________________________________________ Découvrez Windows Live Messenger : le futur de MSN Messenger ! www.windowslivemessenger.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 18:05:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8F13BF15; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=d2gFPMasz923g5yeM8EuekwaZ9pMcNmK1yqMA5BC8v3yHza0hmzbJDcqc9HZFakNpTDt/usPapLR7AyAmDE96tcK/pMd0bqfGjIzASlx0Y50FSzb9ckMEiBJs19IdiAYY6rPDsMpV8JvSgq1+L/l5HzUn3sedl6btJt8gNnEEsM= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0607281105u68e5848j7073b8e3a831086e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:05:10 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-50 Latency Issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5109_27125172.1154109910939" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:05:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5109_27125172.1154109910939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I tried out the Boss RC-50 at the store yesterday at length. I've been a Akai Headrush user for some years, have gotten to the point where I can't play my live gigs without it. But I figure it was time for some "variation" and the RC50 looked good. There is definitely a latency issue on this unit. But it's only the first loop you record. Does anybody know if there has been a software update to this? Or another work around? This latency issue is the only thing keeping me from buying this unit. Otherwise, I may just pickup another E2. Thanks -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_5109_27125172.1154109910939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I tried out the Boss RC-50 at the store yesterday at length.
    I've been a Akai Headrush user for some years, have gotten to the point where I can't play my live gigs without it.
    But I figure it was time for some "variation" and the RC50 looked good.

    There is definitely a latency issue on this unit.
    But it's only the first loop you record.
    Does anybody know if there has been a software update to this?
    Or another work around?
    This latency issue is the only thing keeping me from buying this unit.

    Otherwise, I may just pickup another E2.

    Thanks
    --
    kosukeweb
    http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_5109_27125172.1154109910939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 18:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 066DB3BF1E; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looper on AGT last night--Zack Freeman Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:12:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaycWLB7MWc3ZtdTBKbgwZz0arUwA== Message-Id: <20060728181238.GHQZ554.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Reckon I'll bring this up since no one else has this morning- Beat Box/Hip-hop/Funk vocalist on national TV on the regrettable show America's Got Talent--in the Oddball category (big surprise) He lost to a guy playing Malaguena with an egg beater on a nylon string guitar. Looks like he's out of New Mexico--here's something . . . http://www.dailylobo.com/media/storage/paper344/news/2006/02/16/Culture/Back -To.The.Beat-1616589.shtml?norewrite200607281411&sourcedomain=www.dailylobo. com He had a Repeater strung around his neck--I liked it well enough-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 18:35:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 189CD3BF1C; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:34:44 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Benefits of Undo Message-ID: <3D3A98D7FD61BB5905A41F1D@[192.168.1.106]> In-Reply-To: <001101c6b254$4d075140$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <001101c6b254$4d075140$0101a8c0@succubus> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:35:07 +0000 (UTC) > ...which reaches its most efficient implementation with a looper which > also offers a redo function, multiple loops and multiple tracks (in other > words: Mobius, don't know about the Looperlative). Looperlative offers 8 independent tracks that can be recorded, started and stopped in any order. As the creator, I'm biased, but I like this approach because my compositions can be deconstructed in any order that I choose. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 18:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01A9D3BF18; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12406969.1154112861466.JavaMail.root@web21> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:21 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) Cc: Charlie Milkey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:54:27 +0000 (UTC) How much do these gizmos cost? The price wasn't eveident to me on their website. -- Paul Richards ---- Charlie Milkey wrote: > i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look > pretty cool :) > > i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player > suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting > frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any > substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i > wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A > and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so > there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it > wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort, > and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or > bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so > when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in > some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff > box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half > the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that > option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, > but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, > and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through > MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and > controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two > expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as > well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched > to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy > who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching, > so i hope to have it soon :) > and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... > in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through > the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) > > Charlie > > On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very > > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of > > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60 > > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide > > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. > > > > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I > > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. > > > > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review, > > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my > > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the > > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while > > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was > > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and > > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for > > > when loops go wrong too :) > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 20:43:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9B33BF10; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:39:36 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist for July 27, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44CA7608.2030201@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:43:23 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060727.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. Show #487 July 27, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Numina. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Starfarer's Tales Volume 1" with IXOHOXI. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Zeit" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records and released in 1972. Numina - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jul PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Tangerine Dream Fourth Movement Zeit (Virgin) Create The Day After Biospherical Imagery (Groove) VA [Rene v.d. Wouden E-Live 2005 E-dition #12 (Groove) and Gert Emmens] Johan Timman The Brain Trip Into the Body (Groove) Johan Timman The Heart Trip Into the Body (Groove) Surface 10 B2 Gigacosm Surface Tensions (DiN) Bruno Sanfilippo InTROworld InTRO (ad21) Robert Scott Thompson Tinted In Temporal Hue At the Still Point of the Turning World (Hypnos) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Numina & IXOHOXI Terraformers Starfarer's Tales Vol. 1 (none) Numina & IXOHOXI Orbiting the Holont Starfarer's Tales Vol. 1 (none) Numina & IXOHOXI Shaman of Tahir Starfarer's Tales Vol. 1 (none) Numina & IXOHOXI Cloudland Starfarer's Tales Vol. 1 (none) Jason Sloan An Extraction Into A Quiet Return (none) Forever 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc one from "Das Wagner Desaster" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Tyger" by Tangerine Dream on Caroline Records and released in 1987. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 20:44:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEAD63BF1B; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <12406969.1154112861466.JavaMail.root@web21> References: <12406969.1154112861466.JavaMail.root@web21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <94a7d5b972d42b7851d8e59ad9f8a9f3@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: loop fades (Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:44:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:44:18 +0000 (UTC) > ---- Charlie Milkey wrote: >> >> ........ i was getting frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find >> any looper (with any >> substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i >> wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A >> and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so >> there are no seams of dropouts...... This can be done quite easily with a Boss GigaDelay and a FS 5U pedal set for "tap" function(though at a max time of only 23. sec). Program Preset slots 1, 2, 3, 4 - 23 sec. delay time/ max effect level/ 3o'clock feedback setting (can be adjusted on the fly). (I set the presets to max delay time - it's easier to trim the loop time before things start repeating.) Do your volume swelly thing on preset slot 1 (setting loop length with the FS pedal), switch to preset slot 2, tap, record, tap, layer, layer, layer... as preset 1 loop fades. At any time feedback on the loop your working on can be adjusted. Caveat: the unit only holds 1 loop in memory: you can work on the next preset slot (loop) as the loop in memory is doing it's thing. When you switch to a 3rd. preset slot to add another loop, before the initial loop is finished fading, it will cut that initial loop off abruptly. Also, if you freeze the first loop (turning feedback to 100% - say a rhythmic loop) and set up an "ambient" over top in the next preset slot, there will be no way to fade out the initial loop except to cut it off by switching to a third preset slot - a useful effect.... With a little practice you get familiar with judging fade time vs loop length and can make on the fly adjustments before moving to the next preset slot and keep everything progressing/ evolving smoothly. Also, it helps to play seated so knobs/ buttons are in reach. >> ........the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, false - you can initiate a midi fade (short, medium, long) on the jamman. This can be of a frozen loop or can be initiated in record mode after the loop length is set via tap. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 20:57:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E86CB3BF22; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.55.46] Message-ID: <44CA7A13.6030402@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:56:51 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc References: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-3, 07/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:57:08 +0000 (UTC) I once saw David Crowder Band in concert, and a particular song was supposed to begin with a canned drum loop, followed by some turntable work before the live band came in. I think that I and a couple other musicians familiar with the technology were the only ones who noticed that anything was wrong. Dave just told a long story about some squirrels while the sound guy and the dj got the issue fixed. Of course, it would have been a little different if he hadn't had a stage full of very professional live musicians playing with him, but I think he probably would have handled it well on his own too. --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my laptop > or VST host crash during a performance. So what would I do if this > occurred? I'd naturally play off the prior themes I was creating with > my loops and effects, and continue that thread of feel in solo...just > the guitar, dry with no effects or looping...I'd do that for a while > and then naturally end the piece, take a break, and then reboot. In > short, I'd make it "appear" all planned, like most professionals in > the entertainment business would do. The show must go on. Of course, > the fear of doing otherwise is probably a defect of my compulsive > personality, and an overly exaggurated sense of self-pride in my work. > > I always cringe when most musicians make mistakes or experience gear > issues and then make the audience aware of this in detail, completely > blowing the feel of the performance. Some performers have a good sense > of humor and can pull it off, making jokes and making the audience > laugh at the technological blunder...others stumble around and it > comes across as really awkward and unprofessional. And then my > biggest pet peeve is when performers make mistakes and insist on > telling the audience this, self-deprecating themselves in the process. > "whoops, sorry, oh, let's try that again...sorry, I need to practice, > etc, etc". I feel so embarrassed for people when they do that. I > prefer that they just keep going rather than repeat the mistake or > section ad nauseum, as if they have to get it right to move on. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:52 AM > Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > > >> >> Do it man! >> i guess the question about correcting a loop that has >> gone wrong would apply more to loops that are supposed >> to be perfect in sync or when trying to play something >> really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP has >> become my looper of preference,with this machine i can >> comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non latency >> response and well thought out edit capabilities give >> me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i >> often had little groove problems,i often had to adapt >> to its little latency which made it a bit >> uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its cool >> features like panning,pitch shifting track muting etc. >> so i would just say to the audience stay with me folks >> i promise i will get it right;-) >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Can I post again? Please? :) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" >>> >>> > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% >>> improvised >>> > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? >>> >>> That's my bag all right....everything I do these >>> days is totally >>> spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal. >>> >>> > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop >>> > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or >>> shoe/rack >>> > gazing until u get it right? >>> >>> To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not >>> be afraid of errors. >>> There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect >>> loops. On occasion, I >>> might play something that doesn't ring well with me >>> emotionally (neither >>> correct nor >>> incorrect), but I always manage to work with it >>> somehow. It becomes part of >>> me just like all my other personality, physical, and >>> psychological flaws as >>> a >>> human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and >>> my foot fails me (maybe >>> because I have had one too many cups of coffee or >>> drank too much alcohol), >>> generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather >>> than what my brain >>> wanted to do >>> initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis >>> of what I do >>> afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on >>> playing a 4/4 phrase but it >>> ends >>> up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or >>> 11/8. In fact, I don't >>> even >>> count anymore. I never know what time signature I am >>> in unless I consciously >>> stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. >>> Everything is feel to me >>> now. >>> >>> > for those who do or care how do you keep your >>> audience >>> > interested,do you always loop? >>> >>> I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want >>> to say. Music is much >>> easer as >>> language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop >>> and say thank you at >>> the end of the show. >>> >>> > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what >>> made >>> > it so great? >>> >>> I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker, >>> and Ted Killian >>> at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. I liked >>> it when some folks >>> were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started >>> looping him self >>> whispering "stop talking". Classic, I loved it. And >>> their set was great. >>> Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds, >>> etc, etc. >>> >>> > What makes you feel free while playing >>> music?organized >>> > or improvised? >>> >>> Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least, >>> metaphorically. I tend >>> to subscribe >>> to hard determinism these days...no free will, just >>> chemistry, neurons, >>> cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm >>> determined to do what I do. >>> Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum. >>> That would be an >>> unproveable premise, btw. >>> >>> > i know some of this has been brought up in the >>> past >>> > perhaps but i think we all could use a >>> refreshment! >>> > Luis >>> >>> Thanks for asking! >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> >>> > --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the >>> >> young'ins . . . >>> >> >>> >> Some of my favorites went something like: >>> >> >>> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the >>> journey >>> >> that brought you >>> >> here? >>> >> >>> >> 2. Where does your music come from -- what >>> inspires >>> >> you to create it? >>> >> >>> >> 3. What are some of your musical influences -- >>> or >>> >> looping influences >>> >> -- and why? >>> >> >>> >> 4. What are some of your favorite ways of using >>> >> your instrument or FX >>> >> gear in manners other than that it was designed >>> for? >>> >> >>> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you >>> run >>> >> into a "wall", >>> >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when >>> >> you're simply tired, >>> >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of >>> a >>> >> musical "rut." >>> >> >>> >> Peace, >>> >> >>> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn >>> >> >>> >> "Different is not always better, but better is >>> >> always different" >>> >> >>> >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>> >> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>> >> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >>> >> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? >>> >> >>> >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042 >>> >> >>> >> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available >>> at: >>> >> Apple iTunes, >>> >> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, >>> >> DiscLogic, Napster, >>> >> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >>> >> Etherstream, >>> >> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >>> >> Puretracks, >>> >> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, >>> blah. >>> >> So??? >>> >> >>> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent >>> >> years >>> >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the >>> >> classic threads >>> >> > on creativity, discussions of philosophy, >>> >> techniques for improving >>> >> > live performances, etc. >>> >> > >>> >> > I know that, personally, these are always the >>> >> threads that have >>> >> > fascinated >>> >> > me and made me love being on this list. >>> >> > >>> >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects >>> >> but it would be cool >>> >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say. >>> >> > >>> >> > What were your favorite five threads on this >>> list >>> >> === message truncated === >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 21:24:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A673BF10; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:25:40 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: RE: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) In-reply-to: <913728d60607280756x6db72367ge1cd484a204f6beb@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001501c6b28c$60204150$4b01a8c0@jbroone> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcayVgUmsdxV8NgDS0ab/MFF8r6TLQANcdZA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50. Each phrase can be set to fade in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch). The longest fade setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient sounds. You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while one (or more) is fading out. This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in the first place. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look pretty cool :) i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort, and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching, so i hope to have it soon :) and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) Charlie On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60 > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. > > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. > > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review, > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for > > when loops go wrong too :) > > > > Charlie > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 21:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C4453BF21; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Dw0iunPSHtORCrEWfSOMiG4HR3p29xusw+ZJdlU6yvUMZujkW/iQUDxvSA7vMOJxOdojrJTJZabKohnT7ySNrg6kFPdiU0y2ZJqm8LkmcSGzjNckIL62aQLSjGy2nip+IS9LPHE3KAS59vYhbsrw/0tOaUIleibC1z+8V/UBNhE= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0607281426o7de834d1w7fb7601efb702505@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:26:44 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) In-Reply-To: <001501c6b28c$60204150$4b01a8c0@jbroone> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7149_27152176.1154122004566" References: <913728d60607280756x6db72367ge1cd484a204f6beb@mail.gmail.com> <001501c6b28c$60204150$4b01a8c0@jbroone> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:26:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7149_27152176.1154122004566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jesse, I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a delay on the playback of the first loop I record. Can you tell me if this happens on all the units?? That delay would kill me live. thanks, dan 2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us : > > FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50. Each phrase can be set to > fade > in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch). The longest fade > setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient > sounds. You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while one (or > more) is fading out. This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in the > first place. > > Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop > on > stage) > > i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look > pretty cool :) > > i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player > suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting > frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any > substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i > wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A > and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so > there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it > wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort, > and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or > bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so > when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in > some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff > box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half > the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that > option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, > but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, > and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through > MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and > controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two > expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as > well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched > to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy > who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching, > so i hope to have it soon :) > and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... > in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through > the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) > > Charlie > > On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very > > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of > > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60 > > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide > > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. > > > > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I > > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. > > > > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review, > > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my > > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the > > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while > > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was > > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and > > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for > > > when loops go wrong too :) > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_7149_27152176.1154122004566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jesse,

    I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a delay
    on the playback of the first loop I record.
    Can you tell me if this happens on all the units??
    That delay would kill me live.

    thanks,
    dan

    2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us <noone@jbro.us>:
    FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50.  Each phrase can be set to fade
    in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch).  The longest fade
    setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient
    sounds.  You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while one (or
    more) is fading out.  This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in the
    first place.

    Jesse

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: pilotcp@gmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on
    stage)

    i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look
    pretty cool :)

    i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player
    suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting
    frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any
    substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i
    wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A
    and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so
    there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it
    wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort,
    and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or
    bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so
    when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in
    some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff
    box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half
    the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that
    option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted,
    but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do,
    and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through
    MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and
    controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two
    expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as
    well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched
    to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy
    who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching,
    so i hope to have it soon :)
    and i will let everyone know about it when i get it...
    in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through
    the presets, with all the cool things it can do :)

    Charlie

    On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com > wrote:
    > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very
    > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of
    > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60
    > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide
    > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative.
    >
    > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I
    > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more.
    >
    > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review,
    > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!).
    >
    > Daryl Shawn
    > www.swanwelder.com
    > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my
    > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the
    > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while
    > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was
    > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and
    > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for
    > > when loops go wrong too :)
    > >
    > > Charlie
    >
    >






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    http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_7149_27152176.1154122004566-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 21:38:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E0B3BF0E; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:39:00 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: RE: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) In-reply-to: <55e79c0d0607281426o7de834d1w7fb7601efb702505@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001901c6b28e$3d3dfa90$4b01a8c0@jbroone> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RhwrM2gZaBAeRdoK3Sk22Q)" Thread-index: AcayjIhjlX0181NBTYi8wK19ktT9NAAAN7NA Resent-Message-ID: <5hwvd.A.dqF.5OoyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:38:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_RhwrM2gZaBAeRdoK3Sk22Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dan- The "delay" you're referring to is a well documented glitch and is, indeed, very frustrating. It happens when going from record to playback, and only effects (as you discovered) the first playback occurrence - after that it plays smoothly. It's worth pointing out that although a split second of audio playback is skipped, the TIMING of the phrase is not affected, so it's pretty easy to just play over the skipped note the first time through. I think it's some kind of memory buffer issue, but it may quite possibly be a physical limitation of the memory/processor speed. There has been some rumor of a software update to address this in the fall, but I'm not sure where it originated from. J _____ From: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) Jesse, I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a delay on the playback of the first loop I record. Can you tell me if this happens on all the units?? That delay would kill me live. thanks, dan 2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us : FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50. Each phrase can be set to fade in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch). The longest fade setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient sounds. You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while one (or more) is fading out. This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in the first place. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: pilotcp@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look pretty cool :) i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort, and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching, so i hope to have it soon :) and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) Charlie On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60 > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. > > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. > > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review, > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for > > when loops go wrong too :) > > > > Charlie > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --Boundary_(ID_RhwrM2gZaBAeRdoK3Sk22Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

    Dan-

    The “delay” you’re referring to is a well documented glitch and is, indeed, very frustrating.  It happens when going from record to playback, and only effects (as you discovered) the first playback occurrence – after that it plays smoothly.  It’s worth pointing out that although a split second of audio playback is skipped, the TIMING of the phrase is not affected, so it’s pretty easy to just play over the skipped note the first time through.  I think it’s some kind of memory buffer issue, but it may quite possibly be a physical limitation of the memory/processor speed.  There has been some rumor of a software update to address this in the fall, but I’m not sure where it originated from.

    J

     

    From: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:27 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage)

     

    Jesse,

    I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a delay
    on the playback of the first loop I record.
    Can you tell me if this happens on all the units??
    That delay would kill me live.

    thanks,
    dan

    2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us <noone@jbro.us>:

    FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50.  Each phrase can be set to fade
    in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch).  The longest fade
    setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient
    sounds.  You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while one (or
    more) is fading out.  This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in the
    first place.

    Jesse

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: pilotcp@gmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on
    stage)

    i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look
    pretty cool :)

    i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player
    suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting
    frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any
    substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i
    wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A
    and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so
    there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it
    wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort,
    and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or
    bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so
    when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in
    some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff
    box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half
    the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that
    option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted,
    but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do,
    and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through
    MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and
    controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two
    expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as
    well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched
    to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy
    who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching,
    so i hope to have it soon :)
    and i will let everyone know about it when i get it...
    in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through
    the presets, with all the cool things it can do :)

    Charlie

    On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com > wrote:
    > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very
    > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number of
    > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except "60
    > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to provide
    > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative.
    >
    > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, I
    > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more.
    >
    > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject line...review,
    > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!).
    >
    > Daryl Shawn
    > www.swanwelder.com
    > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my
    > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, the
    > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while
    > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was
    > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift (and
    > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for
    > > when loops go wrong too :)
    > >
    > > Charlie
    >
    >





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    http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76

    --Boundary_(ID_RhwrM2gZaBAeRdoK3Sk22Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 21:59:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D4C63BF21; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001901c6b28e$3d3dfa90$4b01a8c0@jbroone> References: <001901c6b28e$3d3dfa90$4b01a8c0@jbroone> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--276889300 Message-Id: <7615f8a9e9de326acf3b82f12f9c9d8f@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: RC 50 latency & andy butler Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:59:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:59:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--276889300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed This really worries me because I haven't noticed latency issues with=20 the RC 50. Haven't pushed it very hard though. But when I record a=20 'phrase' it plays it back in time, in beat, without hiccup (although I=20= haven't looked for it) when I end recording of that phrase (first or=20 any phrase). Am I missing something? I'm not playing anything real=20 fast though, just finger style stuff. But it isn't sustainy music=20 (pads etc) either, so maybe it would show up there. I'll try to look for it. I'm not an experienced looper like most of=20 you. All my prior looping experience was with my Delta Lab Effectrons=20= in Infinite Repeat... which was and actually still is pretty cool. I don't use any of the quantize functions, the guide etc. And I do=20 tend to keep playing. I have noticed that recorded loops sound a bit different from actual=20 signal. But it seems to sound better, or maybe brighter. That's a bit=20= strange too. I'd rather not have that variable to deal with. My big bomb with it though is being limited to three phrases. I'm not=20= layering or overdubbing, just recording separate phrases to play over. Listened to Andy Butler's inspiring music online. Happily reminded me=20= of that cool record R Fripp and Andy Summers made way back when. Made=20= me wanna dust off my trusty old Roland GR300 guitar synth. Very cool. =20= This is a big step for me. I got so burned out on synth sounds (doing=20= music for film/video - 1990-2003) I thought I'd never even contemplate=20= it again. But... I guess you never know, eh? You all are infectious! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Jul-06, at 2:39 PM, noone@jbro.us wrote: > > Dan- > The =93delay=94 you=92re referring to is a well documented glitch and = is,=20 > indeed, very frustrating.=A0 It happens when going from record to=20 > playback, and only effects (as you discovered) the first playback=20 > occurrence =96 after that it plays smoothly.=A0 It=92s worth pointing = out=20 > that although a split second of audio playback is skipped, the TIMING=20= > of the phrase is not affected, so it=92s pretty easy to just play over=20= > the skipped note the first time through.=A0 I think it=92s some kind = of=20 > memory buffer issue, but it may quite possibly be a physical=20 > limitation of the memory/processor speed.=A0 There has been some rumor=20= > of a software update to address this in the fall, but I=92m not sure=20= > where it originated from. > J > =A0 > > From: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad=20 > loop on stage) > =A0 > > Jesse, > > I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a = delay > on the playback of the first loop I record. > Can you tell me if this happens on all the units?? > That delay would kill me live. > > thanks, > dan > 2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us : > > FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50.=A0=A0Each phrase can be = set=20 > to fade > in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch).=A0=A0The = longest=20 > fade > setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending = ambient > sounds.=A0=A0You can begin recording or fading in another phrase = while=20 > one (or > more) is fading out.=A0=A0This is one of the reasons I bought the RC = in=20 > the > first place. > > Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: pilotcp@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad=20= > loop on > stage) > > i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look > pretty cool :) > > i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player > suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting > frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any > substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop = B...i > wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A > and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so > there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if = it > wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort, > and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or > bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so > when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in > some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff > box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half > the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that > option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, > but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, > and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through > MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and > controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two > expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as > well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched > to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a = guy > who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching, > so i hope to have it soon :) > and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... > in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read = through > the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) > > Charlie > > On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very > > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number=20= > of > > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details=20 > except "60 > > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to=20 > provide > > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. > > > > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it,=20= > I > > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. > > > > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject=20 > line...review, > > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my > > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations,=20= > the > > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while > > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was > > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift=20 > (and > > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard=20= > for > > > when loops go wrong too :) > > > > > > Charlie > > > > > > > > > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --Apple-Mail-3--276889300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 This really worries me because I haven't noticed latency issues with the RC 50. Haven't pushed it very hard though. But when I record a 'phrase' it plays it back in time, in beat, without hiccup (although I haven't looked for it) when I end recording of that phrase (first or any phrase). Am I missing something? I'm not playing anything real fast though, just finger style stuff. But it isn't sustainy music (pads etc) either, so maybe it would show up there. I'll try to look for it. I'm not an experienced looper like most of you. All my prior looping experience was with my Delta Lab Effectrons in Infinite Repeat... which was and actually still is pretty cool. I don't use any of the quantize functions, the guide etc. And I do tend to keep playing. I have noticed that recorded loops sound a bit different from actual signal. But it seems to sound better, or maybe brighter. That's a bit strange too. I'd rather not have that variable to deal with. My big bomb with it though is being limited to three phrases. I'm not layering or overdubbing, just recording separate phrases to play over. Listened to Andy Butler's inspiring music online. Happily reminded me of that cool record R Fripp and Andy Summers made way back when. Made me wanna dust off my trusty old Roland GR300 guitar synth. Very cool.=20= This is a big step for me. I got so burned out on synth sounds (doing music for film/video - 1990-2003) I thought I'd never even contemplate it again. But... I guess you never know, eh? You all are infectious! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Jul-06, at 2:39 PM, noone@jbro.us wrote: =20 = Arial0000,0000,8080Dan- = Arial0000,0000,8080The =93delay=94 you=92re referring to is a well documented glitch and is, indeed, very frustrating.=A0 It happens when going from record to playback, and only effects (as you discovered) the first playback occurrence =96 after that it plays smoothly.=A0 It=92s worth pointing = out that although a split second of audio playback is skipped, the TIMING of the phrase is not affected, so it=92s pretty easy to just play over the skipped note the first time through.=A0 I think it=92s some kind of memory buffer issue, but it may quite possibly be a physical limitation of the memory/processor speed.=A0 There has been some rumor of a software update to address this in the fall, but I=92m not sure where it originated from. = Arial0000,0000,8080J = Arial0000,0000,8080=A0 From: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on = stage) Times New = Roman=A0 Times New = RomanJesse, Times New Roman I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a = delay Times New Roman on the playback of the first loop I record. Times New Roman Can you tell me if this happens on all the = units?? Times New Roman That delay would kill me live. Times New Roman = thanks, Times New Roman = dan Times New Roman2006/7/28, 0000,0000,FFFFnoone@jbro.us = <<0000,0000,FFFFnoone@jbro.us>: Times New RomanFWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50.=A0=A0Each phrase can be set to = fade Times New Roman in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch).=A0=A0The longest = fade Times New Roman setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient = Times New Roman sounds.=A0=A0You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while = one (or Times New Roman more) is fading out.=A0=A0This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in = the Times New Roman first = place. Times New Roman = Jesse Times New Roman -----Original Message----- Times New Roman From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: = 0000,0000,FFFFpilotcp@gmail.com] Times New Roman Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM Times New Roman To: = 0000,0000,FFFFLoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Times New Roman Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on = Times New Roman = stage) Times New Roman i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site = look Times New Roman pretty cool :) Times New Roman i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar = player Times New Roman suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting = Times New Roman frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with = any Times New Roman substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop = B...i Times New Roman wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in = A Times New Roman and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so = Times New Roman there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if = it Times New Roman wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some = sort, Times New Roman and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar = or Times New Roman bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, = so Times New Roman when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop = in Times New Roman some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the = riff Times New Roman box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half = Times New Roman the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer = that Times New Roman option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be = rackmounted, Times New Roman but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to = do, Times New Roman and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through = Times New RomanMIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, = and Times New Roman controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those = two Times New Roman expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume = as Times New Roman well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched = Times New Roman to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a = guy Times New Roman who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly = approaching, Times New Roman so i hope to have it soon :) Times New Roman and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... = Times New Roman in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read = through Times New Roman the presets, with all the cool things it can do = :) Times New Roman = Charlie Times New Roman On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn <<0000,0000,FFFFhighhorse@mhorse.com > wrote: Times New Roman > Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems = very Times New Roman > interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number = of Times New Roman > events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details except = "60 Times New Roman > seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to = provide Times New Roman > firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. Times New Roman = > Times New Roman > Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, = I Times New Roman > saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear = more. Times New Roman = > Times New Roman > (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject = line...review, Times New Roman > edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). Times New Roman = > Times New Roman > Daryl Shawn Times New Roman > = 0000,0000,FFFFwww.swanwelder.com Times New Roman > > ...i am eagerly awaiting my Times New Roman > > purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, = the Times New Roman > > riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while = Times New Roman > > simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I = was Times New Roman > > originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift = (and Times New Roman > > blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard for = Times New Roman > > when loops go wrong too :) Times New Roman > = > Times New Roman > > = Charlie Times New Roman = > Times New Roman = > Times New Roman -- = Times New Roman = kosukeweb Times New = Roman0000,0000,FFFFhttp://ho= me.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 = --Apple-Mail-3--276889300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 22:28:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E72D53BF16; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:28:12 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: (OT) Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User remix contest In-reply-to: <001901c6b28e$3d3dfa90$4b01a8c0@jbroone> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44CA8F7C.80309@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAH4rykQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,193,1151895600"; d="scan'208"; a="797221263:sNHT29272584" References: <001901c6b28e$3d3dfa90$4b01a8c0@jbroone> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 SeaMonkey/1.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Not about looping, but just in case some of you loopers might be interested: The deadline for entries in the Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User remix contest is August 31, 2006--just about a month from now. In case you missed the info first time 'round: remix material from Andrew Duke's Consumer vs. User album (just released on California's Phthalo http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 and featuring a remix of the 313 list's own Phonopsia) for a chance to be released on Stratagem Musik (http://stratagem-musik.com) and win cool prizes including a grand prize of a copy of Native Instruments Reaktor, plus software from FXpansion and Audiomulch, magazine subscriptions, CD-ROMs, books, CDs, and more; http://andrew-duke.com/contests.html has the details. And even if you're not interested in participating in the remix contest, there are 385 royalty-free samples available for you to play with. Again, contest deadline is August 31, 2006. And there's another remix contest (different source material and prizes) starting up August 15. Thanks. -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 22:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 583BA3BF1C; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KiXfScCuCMZZggDgUHVwnnkbH5OOeMfdrHufgtbzjDdAG8Ass3ceziGz5+NSLb1LF6/C9IR3Yri/LyfCiyfiojRNJEHDAyoQze+dzrASprWnDsxZ87OOtrO1wir7jQW3Ua0qosdAM3LmqCjJ2NwDUM4ueOfZh0TTbsH7C+jM+0s= ; Message-ID: <20060728223540.71204.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: improv vs arrangement To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060728152559.01bee670@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) True Andy, I'm always synced, but my pal Brian Kenny is never synced and he seems to do it. I'd fogotten the inability to do different lenght loops. Christ, that must me hard. He's also an amazing musician and writes some of the best songs about meth labs in the central valley I've ever heard. --- a k butler wrote: > > >On 27 Jul 2006 at 11:07, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > > > --- "nick@12testing.net" > wrote: > > > > Due largely to the technicalities (an old > jamman), I'm 100% improvised, > > > > > I don't understand that statement. The old > JamMan > > > seems really well suited for arranged > premeditated > > > loops in a song type of structure... > > > >Sorry, I didn't make myself clear - I meant by > comparison with the > >modern machines, where you can easily store > multiple loops and switch > >/ mix between them to create an arrangement, rather > than the jamman > >"buld up, fade away" variety. > >All the best, > >Nick Robinson > > As Mark syncs to a drum machine, the JamMan allows > him to switch > between different loops > really easily. > It's because the JamMan makes all loops exactly the > same length that > it's impractical to try and create more than one > loop when there's no > guide, it's next to impossible to get the timing > accurate . > Try shorter loops, ( but I gave up and got an EDP) > > andy butler > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 22:45:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 787B83BF20; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z4D2CZTYoJ8RbEbFaKwOe5mNnKps3uJE8D3utMwO7BGNuOfbjGwmz+DVf2CniiWmpdb7UYvBao45Gcw1/yIf2Y70WyZ3y5p2ek3f+tRxYP9gVTt13BAogl9K7Frbn2FT8EkTRJPRhb1TJgfivvLYsWPZdL6Do83oqAdkm5sj3Y0= ; Message-ID: <20060728224540.62940.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:45:42 +0000 (UTC) I'm keeping a gigi delay around for just such emergencies. I figure with that and the Tonelab's 8 sec loop I should have it covered in case of a disaster. Last gig I played with Rick and Bill, my KAOSS pad decided to start sending MIDI program change info (It was set not to) and I spun it's preset selection dial and it scrolled through my VF-1's presets! At first I couldn't figure what was happening (I had a note sustaining via a sustainiac) I simply looked at the audience and gleefully yelled, "technology sucks!" Everyone laughed and the show went on. Krispen's right though, never let them see you sweat. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to > experience my laptop or VST > host crash during a performance. So what would I do > if this occurred? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 23:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39A8C3BF11; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=toC53f49rax+UzDeA6aicQKPvgM+UECuPmnKh3eQkwKV9Wac+izZyNJiMj3kHuEUpB8p1kqhgnWgztrsO5DSBiCT5J/bOVpxuPgo5emwhrems4GpHXlvQVoT2ieEEnnkWGQck0waKuE5WcUSE8FOcGpAwRKfVcwkRsbS8W24/7Q= ; Message-ID: <20060728231548.53613.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "getting away with" glitches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44C9D899.6886.3CEF9C@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:15:50 +0000 (UTC) I think Adrian Belew's "Lone Rhino" is him improvising over his very young daughter who's experimenting on piano and happened to get recorded. Chaos can often be nice. --- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > On 27 Jul 2006 at 23:52, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > > > It's a fun challenge to make someting "artful" > > and "satifying" out of the haphazard glitches that > human error > > (especially my human error) induces and produces. > > Absolutely. I remember about 15 years ago I was > recording a > soundscape that seemed to be going well until my 3 > year old daughter > helped me by adding some "un-volumed" notes. Cursing > fluently, I > carried on to a conclusion. As I listened back, > dreading the moment, > it sounded perfectly in context and actually brought > some life to the > piece. > > I still have similar moments, especially when using > the guitar synth. > Many of my patches have a slow attack, so I don't > need to juggle with > the volume control, but there's also a bank of > kotos, banjos & so > forth. What a joyful moment when with a misplaced > tap of the toe, a > loud mini-moog bass note rings out over a > contemplative section! As > Ted says, the fun is then to "make it work". > > In many ways, looping is the perfect example of the > motto "if you > play a bum note, play it again and pretend it's > jazz". > > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 23:16:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 271873BF0F; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:16:49 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001701c6b29b$e79d0460$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060728224540.62940.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acayl46qE0o+x8o1TqGYPkvA0MLKrQAA5P0A Resent-Message-ID: <_lYHBC.A.urD.qrpyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:16:58 +0000 (UTC) That's what I'm planning to do, too...in my case a DD20 and a Boss OD-2 (nothing in the realm of the Tonelab). The problem here is that in some typical laptop setups, the computer crashing might result in you losing control over your audio interface (which, in an all-laptop setup like Krispen's, goes directly to the = FOH). Possible workaround: a) quickly connect your backup solution in case of a laptop meltdown = (takes some time and possible problems witch noises from the cables being (un)plugged in the mains) b) use an interface which retains its onboard mixer settings when disconnected from the laptop and use a setup where you can make use of = your backup solution (like by routing the in to your laptop to an out which = goes to the DD20 and the return of the DD20 to an active channel on the interface. Then make sure to power down the DD20 when not in a case of emergency). c) use an interface which allows you to switch between different mixer settings even when the computer is down. Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Juli 2006 00:46 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc >=20 > I'm keeping a gigi delay around for just such emergencies. I=20 > figure with that and the Tonelab's 8 sec loop I should have=20 > it covered in case of a disaster. >=20 > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >=20 > > Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience=20 > my laptop=20 > > or VST host crash during a performance. So what would I do if this=20 > > occurred? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 28 23:56:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C8933BF18; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RwZ+IC/ImWylmUHHFvXCXFjbW5vcGHju7lAw7xrUxdclH12CwwDNY/dNTzm3tFIszJPBML8JJJqsGp9+C4QRrJC64UP+vIh+geLoZbb50jKtNldUCc8+WPc4+4WbOYWkK814PWa6Avja2RJq0nOqppQU6NpVXcAkxUugPi0ZPRI= Message-ID: <913728d60607281656q211eb833y3ab7d9f268995a9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:56:04 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop fades (Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) In-Reply-To: <94a7d5b972d42b7851d8e59ad9f8a9f3@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <12406969.1154112861466.JavaMail.root@web21> <94a7d5b972d42b7851d8e59ad9f8a9f3@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) On 7/28/06, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > This can be done quite easily with a Boss GigaDelay and a FS 5U pedal > set for "tap" function(though at a max time of only 23. sec). Program > Preset slots 1, 2, 3, 4 - 23 sec. delay time/ max effect level/ > 3o'clock feedback setting (can be adjusted on the fly). (I set the > presets to max delay time - it's easier to trim the loop time before > things start repeating.) Do your volume swelly thing on preset slot 1 > (setting loop length with the FS pedal), switch to preset slot 2, tap, > record, tap, layer, layer, layer... as preset 1 loop fades. At any > time feedback on the loop your working on can be adjusted. Caveat: > the unit only holds 1 loop in memory: you can work on the next preset > slot (loop) as the loop in memory is doing it's thing. When you switch > to a 3rd. preset slot to add another loop, before the initial loop is > finished fading, it will cut that initial loop off abruptly. Also, if > you freeze the first loop (turning feedback to 100% - say a rhythmic > loop) and set up an "ambient" over top in the next preset slot, there > will be no way to fade out the initial loop except to cut it off by > switching to a third preset slot - a useful effect.... With a little > practice you get familiar with judging fade time vs loop length and can > make on the fly adjustments before moving to the next preset slot and > keep everything progressing/ evolving smoothly. Also, it helps to play > seated so knobs/ buttons are in reach. ok, so there are a few pedals that can do that...however the riff box is even easier than that...its got three steps (instead of a paragraph like ^^) 1. go to the specfic program 2. make a loop 3. hit a button to overdub while the old loop fades to me, that is easy :) > false - you can initiate a midi fade (short, medium, long) on the > jamman. This can be of a frozen loop or can be initiated in record > mode after the loop length is set via tap. > > ok, you are right, i don't have a lot of MIDI gear, but i can send messages via my oxygen8 keyboard and i tried that before...but i don't recall being able to record the new loop while the old loop fades out in the background... if i recall with the jamman, your loop fades, and thats all you can do...you can't start a new loop until it completely fades out, or you stop the old loop (and fadeout) and start your new loop...either way, thats not what i wanted :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 01:29:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B90653BF15; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060726152841.14526.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060726152841.14526.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:02:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Sheer Volume on this List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2006 01:28:35.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F506400:01C6B2AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:29:41 +0000 (UTC) I save all mails for whenever I will have time :-) and sometimes look through them or someone gives me a hint when a subject is specially interesting for me. But I am a slow reader (even in my own language) and tend to get involved with everything I see, so I am unable to read over all as others do. I spent years reading almost every mail, even at times there were 70/day and spent hours trying to word my posts the most short and complete possible. it was a fun time but I am afraid that much of the effort is lost, due to sheer volume in the archive... so I am sorry for those who came later to the family, I would really love to meet you as intensely as the others in the past... this is especially sad as it seems that looping is becoming real popular now ... but it seems that most new loopers are satisfied with some tracks and dont need the sync and feedback and stotter and whatnot features we worked hard for - an evolution we must not become bitter about! So I need to look for some other income like Mathons and FireWireGuitar... But I invite everyone to forward to me what they think I should know or say something about! -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 01:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5A63BF13; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <913728d60607281656q211eb833y3ab7d9f268995a9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <12406969.1154112861466.JavaMail.root@web21> <94a7d5b972d42b7851d8e59ad9f8a9f3@mac.com> <913728d60607281656q211eb833y3ab7d9f268995a9d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: loop fades (Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:33:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:33:17 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 28, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > ok, you are right, i don't have a lot of MIDI gear, but i can send > messages via my oxygen8 keyboard and i tried that before...but i don't > recall being able to record the new loop while the old loop fades out > in the background... Charlie; Once the initial loop length is established - ie: tap in/ record/ tap out. - then tap in again for layering. While the loop is "open" you should - I haven't owned a Jamman for years but do remember doing this - be able to send the midi fade command at which point as the loop fades you can still layer material which will also fade - in effect the looper acts like a delay with less than 100% feedback. Check it out and let me know if I'm remembering correctly. > if i recall with the jamman, your loop fades, and thats all you can > do...you can't start a new loop until it completely fades out, or you > stop the old loop (and fadeout) and start your new loop...either way, > thats not what i wanted :) Understood - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 02:19:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 061BA3BF13; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YUr2P2fTcpgNrxIhg8UvMAYJPmpMbrelAskqKQKGACfJb+oIxVqwT5Foi+7Fe4Vm7bJ2CjgiabL7KDaYML16dBsjQzbe5E/1T+nK2Xnpa5RlBURqXG4e/NJs19rAilEJUfztcf4hmX9BmQXGnGbzP9oov6K2R6uzTNP9dd9Svg0= Message-ID: <913728d60607281919v14837df6off32e0fe367f28a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:19:52 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: loop fades (Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <12406969.1154112861466.JavaMail.root@web21> <94a7d5b972d42b7851d8e59ad9f8a9f3@mac.com> <913728d60607281656q211eb833y3ab7d9f268995a9d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:19:53 +0000 (UTC) right...you are right with being able to still play and add to the loop while fading, but like i said before, and i think you got what i said, but i was saying that i wanted to fade out loop A, and at the very same time, start Loop B, similar to relay runners in track, you've got 4 or 5 guys who run the race all together and when it comes time to pass the baton the reciever starts running ahead of time so that when the baton comes around, the pace isn't lost. the batan gets passed seamlessly, without the first runner stopping and handing it off and then the second runner starts running...know what i mean kind of? Charlie On 7/28/06, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > ok, you are right, i don't have a lot of MIDI gear, but i can send > > messages via my oxygen8 keyboard and i tried that before...but i don't > > recall being able to record the new loop while the old loop fades out > > in the background... > > Charlie; > Once the initial loop length is established - ie: tap in/ record/ tap > out. - then tap in again for layering. While the loop is "open" you > should - I haven't owned a Jamman for years but do remember doing this > - be able to send the midi fade command at which point as the loop > fades you can still layer material which will also fade - in effect the > looper acts like a delay with less than 100% feedback. Check it out > and let me know if I'm remembering correctly. > > > if i recall with the jamman, your loop fades, and thats all you can > > do...you can't start a new loop until it completely fades out, or you > > stop the old loop (and fadeout) and start your new loop...either way, > > thats not what i wanted :) > > Understood - Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 02:51:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1073BF13; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <410-22006762911237910@earthlink.net> References: <410-22006762911237910@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--259383175 Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: return of the guitar synth RE: RC 50 latency & andy butler Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:51:15 -0700 To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:51:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--259383175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well... after I wrote that email I did dust it off, hook it up to my=20 old (tape based) Echoplex, plugged up the VCF expression pedal and...=20 WOW! It's SO COOL! I'd forgotten all about it. Starting to feel like a looper richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Jul-06, at 6:12 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > while you're at it, dial-in some of that KC "Sheltering Sky" tone!=20 > (Anyone > know how to approximate that on a VF-1??????) > ~Tim M > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Richard Sales >> To: >> Date: 7/28/2006 5:59:29 PM >> Subject: RC 50 latency & andy butler >> >> This really worries me because I haven't noticed latency issues with >> the RC 50. Haven't pushed it very hard though. But when I record a >> 'phrase' it plays it back in time, in beat, without hiccup (although=20= >> I >> haven't looked for it) when I end recording of that phrase (first or >> any phrase). Am I missing something? I'm not playing anything real >> fast though, just finger style stuff. But it isn't sustainy music >> (pads etc) either, so maybe it would show up there. >> >> I'll try to look for it. I'm not an experienced looper like most of >> you. All my prior looping experience was with my Delta Lab = Effectrons >> in Infinite Repeat... which was and actually still is pretty cool. >> >> I don't use any of the quantize functions, the guide etc. And I do >> tend to keep playing. >> >> I have noticed that recorded loops sound a bit different from actual >> signal. But it seems to sound better, or maybe brighter. That's a=20= >> bit >> strange too. I'd rather not have that variable to deal with. >> >> My big bomb with it though is being limited to three phrases. I'm = not >> layering or overdubbing, just recording separate phrases to play = over. >> >> Listened to Andy Butler's inspiring music online. Happily reminded = me >> of that cool record R Fripp and Andy Summers made way back when. = Made >> me wanna dust off my trusty old Roland GR300 guitar synth. Very = cool. >> This is a big step for me. I got so burned out on synth sounds = (doing >> music for film/video - 1990-2003) I thought I'd never even = contemplate >> it again. But... I guess you never know, eh? >> >> You all are infectious! >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 28-Jul-06, at 2:39 PM, noone@jbro.us wrote: >> >>> >>> Dan- >>> The =93delay=94 you=92re referring to is a well documented glitch = and is, >>> indeed, very frustrating.=A0 It happens when going from record to >>> playback, and only effects (as you discovered) the first playback >>> occurrence =96 after that it plays smoothly.=A0 It=92s worth = pointing out >>> that although a split second of audio playback is skipped, the = TIMING >>> of the phrase is not affected, so it=92s pretty easy to just play = over >>> the skipped note the first time through.=A0 I think it=92s some kind = of >>> memory buffer issue, but it may quite possibly be a physical >>> limitation of the memory/processor speed.=A0 There has been some = rumor >>> of a software update to address this in the fall, but I=92m not sure >>> where it originated from. >>> J >>> =A0 >>> >>> From: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:27 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad >>> loop on stage) >>> =A0 >>> >>> Jesse, >>> >>> I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a=20 >>> delay >>> on the playback of the first loop I record. >>> Can you tell me if this happens on all the units?? >>> That delay would kill me live. >>> >>> thanks, >>> dan >>> 2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us : >>> >>> FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50.=A0=A0Each phrase can be = set >>> to fade >>> in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch).=A0=A0The=20= >>> longest >>> fade >>> setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending=20 >>> ambient >>> sounds.=A0=A0You can begin recording or fading in another phrase = while >>> one (or >>> more) is fading out.=A0=A0This is one of the reasons I bought the = RC in >>> the >>> first place. >>> >>> Jesse >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: pilotcp@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad >>> loop on >>> stage) >>> >>> i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site=20 >>> look >>> pretty cool :) >>> >>> i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player >>> suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was=20 >>> getting >>> frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any >>> substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop=20 >>> B...i >>> wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A >>> and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so >>> there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if=20= >>> it >>> wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some=20 >>> sort, >>> and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or >>> bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, = so >>> when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in >>> some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff >>> box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half >>> the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that >>> option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, >>> but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, >>> and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled=20 >>> through >>> MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and >>> controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those=20= >>> two >>> expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume = as >>> well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am=20 >>> psyched >>> to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a=20= >>> guy >>> who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly=20 >>> approaching, >>> so i hope to have it soon :) >>> and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... >>> in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read=20 >>> through >>> the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>>> Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very >>>> interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number >>> of >>>> events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details >>> except "60 >>>> seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to >>> provide >>>> firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. >>>> >>>> Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it, >>> I >>>> saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. >>>> >>>> (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject >>> line...review, >>>> edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). >>>> >>>> Daryl Shawn >>>> www.swanwelder.com >>>>> ...i am eagerly awaiting my >>>>> purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations, >>> the >>>>> riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while >>>>> simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was >>>>> originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift >>> (and >>>>> blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard >>> for >>>>> when loops go wrong too :) >>>>> >>>>> Charlie >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> kosukeweb >>> http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > --Apple-Mail-4--259383175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well... after I wrote that email I did dust it off, hook it up to my old (tape based) Echoplex, plugged up the VCF expression pedal and... WOW! It's SO COOL! I'd forgotten all about it. =20 Starting to feel like a looper Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Jul-06, at 6:12 PM, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: while you're at it, dial-in some of that KC "Sheltering Sky" tone! (Anyone know how to approximate that on a VF-1??????) ~Tim M [Original Message] From: Richard Sales < To: < Date: 7/28/2006 5:59:29 PM Subject: RC 50 latency & andy butler This really worries me because I haven't noticed latency issues with=20 the RC 50. Haven't pushed it very hard though. But when I record a=20 'phrase' it plays it back in time, in beat, without hiccup (although I=20 haven't looked for it) when I end recording of that phrase (first or=20 any phrase). Am I missing something? I'm not playing anything real=20 fast though, just finger style stuff. But it isn't sustainy music=20 (pads etc) either, so maybe it would show up there. I'll try to look for it. I'm not an experienced looper like most of=20 you. All my prior looping experience was with my Delta Lab Effectrons=20= in Infinite Repeat... which was and actually still is pretty cool. I don't use any of the quantize functions, the guide etc. And I do=20 tend to keep playing. I have noticed that recorded loops sound a bit different from actual=20 signal. But it seems to sound better, or maybe brighter. That's a bit=20 strange too. I'd rather not have that variable to deal with. My big bomb with it though is being limited to three phrases. I'm not=20= layering or overdubbing, just recording separate phrases to play over. Listened to Andy Butler's inspiring music online. Happily reminded me=20= of that cool record R Fripp and Andy Summers made way back when. Made=20= me wanna dust off my trusty old Roland GR300 guitar synth. Very cool. =20= This is a big step for me. I got so burned out on synth sounds (doing=20= music for film/video - 1990-2003) I thought I'd never even contemplate=20= it again. But... I guess you never know, eh? You all are infectious! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Jul-06, at 2:39 PM, noone@jbro.us wrote: Dan- The =93delay=94 you=92re referring to is a well documented glitch and = is,=20 indeed, very frustrating.=A0 It happens when going from record to=20 playback, and only effects (as you discovered) the first playback=20 occurrence =96 after that it plays smoothly.=A0 It=92s worth pointing = out=20 that although a split second of audio playback is skipped, the TIMING=20 of the phrase is not affected, so it=92s pretty easy to just play over=20= the skipped note the first time through.=A0 I think it=92s some kind of=20= memory buffer issue, but it may quite possibly be a physical=20 limitation of the memory/processor speed.=A0 There has been some rumor=20= of a software update to address this in the fall, but I=92m not sure=20 where it originated from. J =A0 From: Dan Katayama [mailto:dan.katayama@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad=20 loop on stage) =A0 Jesse, I tried out the RC50 at the store the other day, and I noticed a delay on the playback of the first loop I record. Can you tell me if this happens on all the units?? That delay would kill me live. thanks, dan 2006/7/28, noone@jbro.us <: FWIW, you can do this easily with the RC-50.=A0=A0Each phrase can be set=20= to fade in and/or out, with an adjustable fade time (per patch).=A0=A0The = longest=20 fade setting is around 20 seconds, so it's plenty long for blending ambient sounds.=A0=A0You can begin recording or fading in another phrase while=20= one (or more) is fading out.=A0=A0This is one of the reasons I bought the RC in=20= the first place. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Milkey [mailto: pilotcp@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad=20 loop on stage) i don't know much about the FX tracker, but the vids on the site look pretty cool :) i haven't heard much about the riff box on LD, but my guitar player suggested it, as i like to play with ambient music, and i was getting frustrated by the fact that i couldn't find any looper (with any substantial time) that could fade out loop A while going to loop B...i wanted to be able to go from--for example--a few volume swells in A and then while thats fading out, start constructing a loop in E, so there are no seams of dropouts, like my lexicon jamman...or even if it wasn't ambient, both my guitar player and I use loopers of some sort, and i feel our music builds...it starts out with a little guitar or bass line, and it gets more and more complex as the song goes on, so when i want to go somewhere else in the song, or change the loop in some way, the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, and the riff box allows for fading out so there isn't a complete dropout of half the song...i can't believe that a lot of loopers don't offer that option...plus my big stipulation was that it had to be rackmounted, but i gave in to the riffbox because it did what i needed it to do, and it has MIDI capabilities and everything can be controlled through MIDI, so i am getting that, putting it in a rack shelf, and controlling it via a behringer FBC1010 or a similar pedal...those two expression pedals can even work as a clean volume and loop volume as well, so it can all be completly controlled via MIDI, so i am psyched to get it...i just need to sell my jamman to afford it :) i have a guy who said he'll by the jamman in august, which is rapidly approaching, so i hope to have it soon :) and i will let everyone know about it when i get it... in the meantime, everyone should check out the manual and read through the presets, with all the cool things it can do :) Charlie On 7/28/06, Daryl Shawn < wrote: Has anyone used the Riffbox's partner, the FX-Tracker? Seems very interesting, effect parameters adjusting to note intensity, number=20 of events, etc...and looping capabilities too, though no details=20= except "60 seconds". The company also seems promising in that they aim to=20 provide firmware upgrades, a la the Looperlative. Charlie, I'd love to hear your take on the RiffBox when you get it,=20 I saw some reviews in the archives but I'd like to hear more. (okay, okay...check for relevance...change the subject=20 line...review, edit, review, edit...hell with it...SEND!). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com ...i am eagerly awaiting my purchase of a riff box specifically for these fadeout situations,=20 the riff box has a preset where you can fade out loop A while simultaniously recording loop B (without overdubing A). I was originally excited for it for ambient music, to smoothly shift=20 (and blend) from one key to another, but it could be a good safeguard=20 for when loops go wrong too :) Charlie -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 = --Apple-Mail-4--259383175-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 04:41:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA4C43BEFA; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060729003956.01d1cde0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:41:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: dulcimer loops In-Reply-To: <233.c1005ea.31fb743d@aol.com> References: <233.c1005ea.31fb743d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-23547F9E; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-44CAE6F37838=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:41:29 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-44CAE6F37838======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6066781==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-23547F9E --=====================_6066781==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-23547F9E you can download a few tunes off my website, www.dulcify.ca The cd that has looping is called Looped and Delayed. And you can send along your address and I'd be delighted to send a copy along to you. All the best, Paul Haslem At 10:09 AM 7/28/2006, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/27/06 10:03:00 PM, phaslem@wightman.ca writes: > > >>As a dulcimer player > > >paul.....do you have anything recorded?.....i would love to hear your >LOOPS.....michael > > > >www.ct-collective.com >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ >http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --=====================_6066781==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-23547F9E you can download a few tunes off my website, www.dulcify.ca The cd that has looping is called Looped and Delayed.

    And you can send along your address and I'd be delighted to send a copy along to you.

    All the best,

    Paul Haslem



    At 10:09 AM 7/28/2006, you wrote:


    In a message dated 7/27/06 10:03:00 PM, phaslem@wightman.ca writes:


    As a dulcimer player


    paul.....do you have anything recorded?.....i would love to hear your LOOPS.....michael



    www.ct-collective.com
    http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
    http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
    --=====================_6066781==.ALT-- --=======AVGMAIL-44CAE6F37838=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 05:08:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E00983BEF3; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <06f9f61ccc231d3dcfa0b0f5ad1d1de1@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: chris lancaster Subject: PEDAL-MANIA! Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:07:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 05:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Feels good to finally be posting to Loopers-Delight as I've been reading them for years. As I cellist I rely heavily on pedals to control my Echoplex. The EFC-7 however really wasn't well suited to my finicky needs. So I had someone gut out a Digitech Control 7 and set it up to work with a 1/4 inch jack. Now that pedal's on the fritz so I decided to take the leap to midi and bought a Prostage X07 http://www.prostage.info/en/foot_controller.html which looks awesome, but unfortunately is not going to work with the echoplex despite what I was told by the company. Here comes the question! What midi-controller will work with the echoplex and is currently in production. I prefer things that are smaller and have buttons with a noticeable click. But I'm desperate, and am seriously considering returning to the boomerang if I can't get a solid reliable pedalboard for my precious plex. Rock on, Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 06:49:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72DC43BEF4; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAJCgykSBU4h7 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060729074809.01c6dbf8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:49:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: loop fades JamMan In-Reply-To: <20060728212648.72AFB3BF29@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060728212648.72AFB3BF29@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4hCMVB.A.axD.5TwyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:49:29 +0000 (UTC) At 22:26 28/07/2006, you wrote: >>>........the jamman only allows you to stop the loop, > >false - you can initiate a midi fade (short, medium, long) on the >jamman. This can be of a frozen loop or can be initiated in record >mode after the loop length is set via tap. yes, it's very glitchy though, especially if you try to overdub over the loop start/end point andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 06:51:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E45DA3BF0F; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: PEDAL-MANIA! Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:51:04 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001701c6b2db$5d109e70$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <06f9f61ccc231d3dcfa0b0f5ad1d1de1@mac.com> Thread-Index: AcayzPbHtPPYhPf8TF+WcMLKSFMpVgADiTLQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:51:13 +0000 (UTC) You'll find that quite a few people are using a Behringer FCB1010, including some demi-gods. Rainer > What midi-controller will work with the echoplex and is > currently in production. I prefer things that are smaller and > have buttons with a noticeable click. But I'm desperate, and > am seriously considering returning to the boomerang if I > can't get a solid reliable pedalboard for my precious plex. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 08:12:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150743BF0A; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:08:51 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44CB1793.8090801@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <1GZ7TD.A.uPH._hxyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:12:47 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, July 29 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Time zone is EDT / GMT-4 and the program begins in just under two hours from the writing of this message. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 10:44:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9E2B3BF08; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <021701c6b2fb$f016f690$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <06f9f61ccc231d3dcfa0b0f5ad1d1de1@mac.com> Subject: Re: PEDAL-MANIA! Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:44:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4vkZzB.A.uzC.EwzyEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Too bad they don't make that pedel with a normal MIDI cable interface. I like the way this thing looks (the X10), but I'm not about ready to go off and by another unit (the XTM), just to connect the X10 to my laptop. What a shame. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris lancaster" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:07 PM Subject: PEDAL-MANIA! > Hi, > Feels good to finally be posting to Loopers-Delight as I've been reading > them for years. > > As I cellist I rely heavily on pedals to control my Echoplex. The EFC-7 > however really wasn't well suited to my finicky needs. So I had someone > gut out a Digitech Control 7 and set it up to work with a 1/4 inch jack. > Now that pedal's on the fritz so I decided to take the leap to midi and > bought a Prostage X07 http://www.prostage.info/en/foot_controller.html > which looks awesome, but unfortunately is not going to work with the > echoplex despite what I was told by the company. > > Here comes the question! > > What midi-controller will work with the echoplex and is currently in > production. I prefer things that are smaller and have buttons with a > noticeable click. But I'm desperate, and am seriously considering > returning to the boomerang if I can't get a solid reliable pedalboard for > my precious plex. > > Rock on, > Chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 13:39:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9579D3BEE4; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:36:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 29, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44CB6448.30605@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:39:54 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060729.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #92 July 29, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase II was preempted to expand Phases I and III. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================= Jurgen Haible The Secret Life of The Secret Life of Trees Trees (none) VA [Nattefrost] Valhal E-dition #9 (Groove) VA [Embrase] Journey Through a E-dition #9 (Groove) Soundscape VA [Wave World] Sunrise at Yacekla E-dition #9 (Groove) Free System Projekt Moyland Part 3 Moyland (Quantum) Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3. Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================= Ozric Tentacles Slinky Spirals in Hyperspace (Magna Carta) Riverside Second Life Syndrome Second Life Syndrome (InsideOut) Magenta Home from Home Home (F2) Pinnacle The Life In A Year Meld (Everything To Excess) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on August 12. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 15:16:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7535C3BEEE; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:16:46 -0400 Message-Id: <8C88139243006BF-988-4C56@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> From: enat21213@aol.com References: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 19014 Subject: Re: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C88139243006BF_988_5066_FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.66 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:16:53 +0000 (UTC) ----------MailBlocks_8C88139243006BF_988_5066_FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey steve! have any further information on this venue/space. really like to get something cooking in raleigh sometime soon. thanks! brian electric bird noise -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 8:31 PM Subject: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 In addition to performing, I occasionally host house concerts. Both performers are live-loop-friendly. Hope this is an acceptable announcement for this list. Info below the line of octothorps. best, Steve B Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea ########################### badgerhaus hosts a psychedelic rock/spacerock/spoken word performance by The Subliminator Friday July 28th. Automatic Caution Door opens. Other acts possibly to be added for the evening. Location: badgerhaus, Raleigh NC Time: 9pm Cover: voluntary donation, going entirely to the performer(s) Links: http://www.badgerhaus.com/ http://www.myspace.com/thesubliminator http://thesubliminator.com/ Thanks to Xopher Thurston for use of the PA. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ----------MailBlocks_8C88139243006BF_988_5066_FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    hey steve!
    have any further information on this venue/space.
    really like to get something cooking in raleigh sometime soon.

    thanks!
    brian
    electric bird noise
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: burnett@pobox.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Sent: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 8:31 PM
    Subject: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006

    In addition to performing, I occasionally host house concerts. Both performers are live-loop-friendly. Hope this is an acceptable announcement for this list. Info below the line of octothorps. 
     
    best, 
    Steve B 
    Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea 
     
    ########################### 
    badgerhaus hosts a psychedelic rock/spacerock/spoken word performance by The Subliminator Friday July 28th. Automatic Caution Door opens. Other acts possibly to be added for the evening. 
     
    Location: badgerhaus, Raleigh NC 
    Time: 9pm 
    Cover: voluntary donation, going entirely to the performer(s) 
     
    Links: 
    http://www.badgerhaus.com/ 
    http://www.myspace.com/thesubliminator 
    http://thesubliminator.com/ 
     
    Thanks to Xopher Thurston for use of the PA. 
     
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    ----------MailBlocks_8C88139243006BF_988_5066_FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 29 20:55:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76A463BED0; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:04:45 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Benefits of Undo To: Message-id: <000901c6b352$9edcd2c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001101c6b254$4d075140$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:55:17 +0000 (UTC) I hope no-one minds if I suggest some other potentially benefits of Undo: http://myspace.com/undomusic :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Benefits of Undo > > I never use it to undo unwanted loops on stage or home, but I > > my favorite use of Undo is to deconstruct my piece. I > > basically start hitting Undo, playing with the result a bit, > > and continue to do so until only the initial loop is left. I > > really enjoy that as a composition devise. It's like you loop > > and climax, then then bring everything back to the initial > > state. I guess you could call it the staircase approach. > > ...which reaches its most efficient implementation with a looper which also > offers a redo function, multiple loops and multiple tracks (in other words: > Mobius, don't know about the Looperlative). And this offers some very > creative arrangement options when used to un/redo not only overdubs but also > (more or less) radical editing steps. Think e.g. looping some chord > progression, the susunroundedmultiplying one short chord out of it, and then > by un- and redoing splicing this short quickly repeating percussive chord > into the progression... > > btw Jeff, why isn't there a SusUndo and SusRedo? > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 00:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD0933BEC7; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HFBLl3npUq5R2dFAYK7WllkWGAM0q/38n9mtLCfbjgT5cAJrWQLqBmC/L93fKyOwbJGGpTvRPQNA4a/hZ3UcYwA9wHXkx84Mv6MaMkFsvr296MqzNj2acXwdTDC+FMQcy/QNhJ42aDpIzX1gR/oaqXyAyQmIK07/HCqLy1n04Io= ; Message-ID: <20060730002313.78925.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Laters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060726225959.01ad4d38@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Damn, and he was in the top ten posters too. Krispen, Per, it's up to us to pick up the slack. Keep those VST posts coming. I love them so much. Actually I'll post my VSTi roundup in a little while when I'm done... with an OT in the topic of course. --- Kevin wrote: > August is coming and I'll be out and about so I'll > be unsubscribing > for now. Catch you all later. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 01:24:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0871E3BEB5; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060729181140.04ceb498@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:24:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:24:47 +0000 (UTC) August 3rd will mark the 1 year anniversary since Richard Zvonar passed away. Richard's family and friends are each planning to light a candle on that day in his remembrance. They have asked if the Looper's Delight community would like to join them in lighting a candle to honor his memory. Please light one if you can. Richard was an amazing person, and a pleasure to have as a friend and member of this community. I miss him often. If you didn't know Richard, or wish to remember, here the ultimate Richard Zvonar search link so you can do your own research (as Richard would have wanted you to!): http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=zvonar%2Casterion&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 01:40:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9A33BEB5; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HNTqr5882cMJdQgo1aJZJ8epREdB/mZLDqydfOML5I7piL+qXVwqlnZNOOGVU3JA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32472919.1154223650525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd488b6e039d0a7076f54d8c218f9437c001387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 01:40:51 +0000 (UTC) i will definitely light a candle in his memory- i cherish the short conversations we had at the loopfests- and his wit and wisdom on this list-i'm sure he would have had a pithy thought or two about "OT". loop on doctor s -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint >Sent: Jul 29, 2006 9:24 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 > >August 3rd will mark the 1 year anniversary since Richard Zvonar passed away. > >Richard's family and friends are each planning to light a candle on that day in his remembrance. They have asked if the Looper's Delight community would like to join them in lighting a candle to honor his memory. Please light one if you can. > >Richard was an amazing person, and a pleasure to have as a friend and member of this community. I miss him often. > >If you didn't know Richard, or wish to remember, here the ultimate Richard Zvonar search link so you can do your own research (as Richard would have wanted you to!): > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=zvonar%2Casterion&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 02:51:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8C713BEC5; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 02:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,194,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="319729897:sNHT53040428" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060729181140.04ceb498@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060729181140.04ceb498@annihilist.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--172984210 Message-Id: <260a2a92af15dcdcb8f6cf176b7ffa1e@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:51:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 02:51:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--172984210 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kim, Thanks for sharing this reminder. Of course I'l light a candle in his =20= honor on August 3rd. And I'll spend a moment remembering a walk along =20= the isles of NAMM I had with him in Anaheim just 2 years ago. I can't =20= believe he left this life (and us) so quickly. It's like his former =20 presence among us still leaves a shadow or something. I will remember =20= him fondly . . . always. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn =93In this glare of brilliant emptiness, in this arid intensity of pure =20= heat, in the heart of a weird solitude, great silence and grand =20 desolation, all things recede to distances out of reach, reflecting =20 light but impossible to touch, annihilating all thought and all that =20 men have made to a spasm of whirling dust far out on the golden =20 desert.=94 -- Edward Abbey, from Desert Solitaire http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Jul 29, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > August 3rd will mark the 1 year anniversary since Richard Zvonar =20 > passed away. > > Richard's family and friends are each planning to light a candle on =20= > that day in his remembrance. They have asked if the Looper's Delight =20= > community would like to join them in lighting a candle to honor his =20= > memory. Please light one if you can. > > Richard was an amazing person, and a pleasure to have as a friend and =20= > member of this community. I miss him often. > > If you didn't know Richard, or wish to remember, here the ultimate =20 > Richard Zvonar search link so you can do your own research (as Richard = =20 > would have wanted you to!): > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?=20 > = query=3Dzvonar%2Casterion&Search=3DSearch&errors=3D0&maxfiles=3D5000&maxli= nes=3D0=20 > = &.cgifields=3Dlineonly&.cgifields=3Drestricttofiles&.cgifields=3Dfilelist&= .cg=20 > ifields=3Dpartial&.cgifields=3Dcase > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > --Apple-Mail-2--172984210 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Kim, Thanks for sharing this reminder. Of course I'l light a candle in his honor on August 3rd. And I'll spend a moment remembering a walk along the isles of NAMM I had with him in Anaheim just 2 years ago. I can't believe he left this life (and us) so quickly. It's like his former presence among us still leaves a shadow or something. I will remember him fondly . . . always. 0000,0000,0000Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 807F,0000,0000=93In this glare of brilliant emptiness, in this arid intensity of pure heat, in the heart of a weird solitude, great silence and grand desolation, all things recede to distances out of reach, reflecting light but impossible to touch, annihilating all thought and all that men have made to a spasm of whirling dust far out on the golden desert.=94 -- Edward Abbey, from Desert = Solitaire0000,0000,0000 807F,807F,807F http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. = So???0000,0000,0000 807F,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Jul 29, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Kim Flint wrote: August 3rd will mark the 1 year anniversary since Richard Zvonar passed away.=20 Richard's family and friends are each planning to light a candle on that day in his remembrance. They have asked if the Looper's Delight community would like to join them in lighting a candle to honor his memory. Please light one if you can. Richard was an amazing person, and a pleasure to have as a friend and member of this community. I miss him often. If you didn't know Richard, or wish to remember, here the ultimate Richard Zvonar search link so you can do your own research (as Richard would have wanted you to!): = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=3Dzvo= nar%2Casterion&Search=3DSearch&errors=3D0&maxfiles=3D5000&maxlines=3D0&.cg= ifields=3Dlineonly&.cgifields=3Drestricttofiles&.cgifields=3Dfilelist&.cgi= fields=3Dpartial&.cgifields=3Dcase kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 = --Apple-Mail-2--172984210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 05:18:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B82963BED5; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ruSJEt2eI36CwL2Jraqh3kF8pZBdDKInc7wnJMpWAIJ4zkooZ7QlW/1BNT+kIC6ahnqmdOga4CXuB0Qj09fgQlV7wBaTUJi54NN6Wx7Z8bzAl8gZe9g1t5S8slXo6UUknxKfXiXyaUzWZOSrp0IqONTuiUMtxz5Yr1fsQAd0nDw= ; Message-ID: <20060730051808.18503.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <260a2a92af15dcdcb8f6cf176b7ffa1e@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:18:09 +0000 (UTC) > If you didn't know Richard, or wish to remember, here the ultimate > Richard Zvonar search link so you can do your own research (as Richard > would have wanted you to!): I tell you, that man often *was* my own research. He was such an incredible wealth of information, and generous with it. A cornerstone of LD. I'd take his word over a textbook any day. I just did a search on his name at Wilkipedia and nothing came up. Surely we should get together and write an entry based on his posts, no? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 05:43:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DFDB3BEB8; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kz/FT5aHJ2AHroE3DfxqdVsjF04xvM/XgGpOt+E1IHc+VqPQ3Xe5CR6HzstfEVBMqDtSXUPehNEToXZTd03a3uxxXpJyOK6azsUlD/uB5QQ0McLWQubbFnXz82m+7fz7P/OGEtDt3qFQCM180p9R6VkkO1D/nwmU3ijGlh7FCgo= ; Message-ID: <20060730054344.33252.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:43:44 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: loop fades (Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60607281919v14837df6off32e0fe367f28a0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:43:46 +0000 (UTC) I know what you mean and the JamMan doesn't do that. The only devices I know that'll do that are the Giga delay (I love it!) or Mobius. I know the Repeater only will fade if it's in record of the loop you want faded. Once you're out of Record the loop is static. (but you can lower the volume of tracks to simulate this) I think the EDP is the same. Mobius will do it for sure... if you're willing to come over to the dark side of compu-looping. I tell you, the Riffbox and FX tracker look cool but man there's something about that black box interface that scares the shit out of me. Mark --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > right...you are right with being able to still play > and add to the > loop while fading, but like i said before, and i > think you got what i > said, but i was saying that i wanted to fade out > loop A, and at the > very same time, start Loop B, similar to relay > runners in track, > you've got 4 or 5 guys who run the race all together > and when it comes > time to pass the baton the reciever starts running > ahead of time so > that when the baton comes around, the pace isn't > lost. the batan gets > passed seamlessly, without the first runner stopping > and handing it > off and then the second runner starts running...know > what i mean kind > of? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 05:49:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303533BEE0; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=deKZtnCRtt5GYgXaWKUV8iWjJ+KqzG0TVvFG2JxR978H1x474qCWuSGjjFBVFI+Go8jod9ishQChCSJX+eON7cQ3zt2XqWYMmTgEWqx7TcRySMkhuf772yHSvdP+D9z4iaRF1/PWw9aBCYI6JQs2h1IY61kQGxCZJRRj0vWrpt0= ; Message-ID: <20060730054906.35365.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 22:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: PEDAL-MANIA! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c6b2db$5d109e70$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:49:08 +0000 (UTC) There sure isn't a noticable "click" with it though. I love mine, and I'm actually quite adept at programming it now that I've done it a number of times (the manual is very poorly written and confusing) Though, with these things I find that you get used to what you have. When I had an ADA MIDI controller I thought I'd dislike it but I soon got used to it's feel (very similar to the EDP's controller) The FCB1010's feel was a little mushy at first but now it seems fine to me. Now I just wish it had another row of buttons. :) Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > You'll find that quite a few people are using a > Behringer FCB1010, including > some demi-gods. > > Rainer > > > What midi-controller will work with the echoplex > and is > > currently in production. I prefer things that are > smaller and > > have buttons with a noticeable click. But I'm > desperate, and > > am seriously considering returning to the > boomerang if I > > can't get a solid reliable pedalboard for my > precious plex. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 07:43:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13B343BECC; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <06f9f61ccc231d3dcfa0b0f5ad1d1de1@mac.com> References: <06f9f61ccc231d3dcfa0b0f5ad1d1de1@mac.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 04:27:31 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: PEDAL-MANIA! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2006 07:43:10.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE3D2110:01C6B3AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Chris found: >As I cellist I rely heavily on pedals to control my Echoplex. The >EFC-7 however really wasn't well suited to my finicky needs. So I >had someone gut out a Digitech Control 7 and set it up to work with >a 1/4 inch jack. Now that pedal's on the fritz so I decided to take >the leap to midi and bought a Prostage X07 >http://www.prostage.info/en/foot_controller.html which looks >awesome, but unfortunately is not going to work with the echoplex >despite what I was told by the company. yes, I like their "Interconnecting System" with XLR cables only one MIDI conversion box, not on the floor. one of the boxes sais: "Sends Program Change 1-7 or 7 different Control Change commands" CC is enough to start functions on the EDP but to really profit from the whole functionality, you need a pedal that sends and off command when the button is released. They probably dont do this. but they could update the software maybe? Insist! :-) Kris reacts: >Too bad they don't make that pedel with a normal MIDI cable >interface. I like the way this thing looks (the X10), but I'm not >about ready to go off and by another unit (the XTM), just to connect >the X10 to my laptop. What a shame. you are right, it should have a USB connector (which also feeds it) -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 07:43:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923063BEDD; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comc ast.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 04:27:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: process Vs product - warning, long winded but not OT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2006 07:43:13.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFCFA7F0:01C6B3AB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:43:28 +0000 (UTC) good speach, Garreth! >What I feel we must aspire to is pure music. Stuff you can pop on >the CD player and love without regard for the way it was made. I agree that this is an important quality if someone fascinates with a good show and lesser interesting music, thats another quality, otherwise you would say that a Circus is useless. >I got into looping because I loved hearing the effect of dense >textures building a world of majestically repeating, spiralling >sound. exactly! This also happens to non musicians! thats why I had the idea that on a site like livelooping.com we could support each other by offering more music and info to customers who find some of our work somewhere and want more of it. >What I want to know is. How sucessful are you at separating process >from product? I do have clients that listen just to the CD and dont care about how its done. I gave a CD of mine to a simple citizan of my neighbourhood and month later when I walked through that street, I heard my music! Is that the kind of success you are talking about? >Maybe you don't think they should be separated. Maybe you think I'm wrong. you are right, its different qualities... >maybemaybemaybemaybmaybmabmaymaymamamamammmmmmmmmmm :-) -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 07:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5373BEDC; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SETiybzeTaPkvVaNO5SxgK0Z1SDbDinQzreBtCvsuiP2Xi/KktEHe2xTa50zzt7nqmC34UfmfRSpe0grxuzIdZOmiqFIGXCXGTR4evDFnbZe3jm9rTvI2648M4RMmTqOtxMJVAVUHhAiDmgNV75kDm4ySKBbHHQPkqhDxfFOR6A= ; Message-ID: <20060730075027.73623.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:50:29 +0000 (UTC) well i meant it in a humorous way kris,i actually take a piss out of some imperfect bad timing sounding loops and actually like to deliverly make people aware of them actually such loops can be use for entertainment to show people that u are still human,i ve dont take looping too seriously on stage anymore because of the fact that things can go wrong anytime.But if i dont want people to notice mistakes i just keep playing the guitar and push the "erase all" button ha ha what a great feeling! after that the worst thing that can happen is the breaking of a string or dropping dead... Yesterday i played for a fashion show,did soundcheck everything was cool and when the show started everytime i pushed the overdub button on the EDP the guitar sounded really loud!i was just thinking fuck me man why now and not during soundcheck you piece of shit!I reseted my rack and evrything was back to normal...this happened about to me about a year ago but dont ask me why! Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to > experience my laptop or VST > host crash during a performance. So what would I do > if this occurred? I'd > naturally play off the prior themes I was creating > with my loops and > effects, and continue that thread of feel in > solo...just the guitar, dry > with no effects or looping...I'd do that for a while > and then naturally end > the piece, take a break, and then reboot. In short, > I'd make it "appear" > all planned, like most professionals in the > entertainment business would do. > The show must go on. Of course, the fear of doing > otherwise is probably a > defect of my compulsive personality, and an overly > exaggurated sense of > self-pride in my work. > > I always cringe when most musicians make mistakes or > experience gear issues > and then make the audience aware of this in detail, > completely blowing the > feel of the performance. Some performers have a good > sense of humor and can > pull it off, making jokes and making the audience > laugh at the technological > blunder...others stumble around and it comes across > as really awkward and > unprofessional. And then my biggest pet peeve is > when performers make > mistakes and insist on telling the audience this, > self-deprecating > themselves in the process. "whoops, sorry, oh, let's > try that again...sorry, > I need to practice, etc, etc". I feel so > embarrassed for people when they > do that. I prefer that they just keep going rather > than repeat the mistake > or section ad nauseum, as if they have to get it > right to move on. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:52 AM > Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. > > > > > > Do it man! > > i guess the question about correcting a loop that > has > > gone wrong would apply more to loops that are > supposed > > to be perfect in sync or when trying to play > something > > really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP > has > > become my looper of preference,with this machine i > can > > comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non > latency > > response and well thought out edit capabilities > give > > me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i > > often had little groove problems,i often had to > adapt > > to its little latency which made it a bit > > uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its > cool > > features like panning,pitch shifting track muting > etc. > > so i would just say to the audience stay with me > folks > > i promise i will get it right;-) > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Can I post again? Please? :) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "L.A. Angulo" > >> > >> > what percentage of loopers go and play 100% > >> improvised > >> > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage? > >> > >> That's my bag all right....everything I do these > >> days is totally > >> spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's > legal. > >> > >> > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop > >> > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or > >> shoe/rack > >> > gazing until u get it right? > >> > >> To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do > not > >> be afraid of errors. > >> There are no errors", I never play bad or > incorrect > >> loops. On occasion, I > >> might play something that doesn't ring well with > me > >> emotionally (neither > >> correct nor > >> incorrect), but I always manage to work with it > >> somehow. It becomes part of > >> me just like all my other personality, physical, > and > >> psychological flaws as > >> a > >> human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic > and > >> my foot fails me (maybe > >> because I have had one too many cups of coffee or > >> drank too much alcohol), > >> generating a loop that is an 8th note longer > rather > >> than what my brain > >> wanted to do > >> initially, that instantly becomes the norm and > basis > >> of what I do > >> afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on > >> playing a 4/4 phrase but it > >> ends > >> up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 > or > >> 11/8. In fact, I don't > >> even > >> count anymore. I never know what time signature I > am > >> in unless I consciously > >> stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time. > >> Everything is feel to me > >> now. > >> > >> > for those who do or care how do you keep your > >> audience > >> > interested,do you always loop? > >> > >> I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I > want > >> to say. Music is much > >> easer as > >> language for me in public. I prefer to play > non-stop > >> and say thank you at > >> the end of the show. > >> > >> > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? > what > >> made > >> > it so great? > >> > >> I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick > Walker, > >> and Ted Killian > >> at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. I > liked > >> it when some folks > >> were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started > >> looping him self > >> whispering "stop talking". Classic, I loved it. > And > >> their set was great. > >> Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds, > >> etc, etc. > >> > >> > What makes you feel free while playing > >> music?organized > >> > or improvised? > >> > >> Improvised...as free as a person can get, at > least, > >> metaphorically. I tend > >> to subscribe > >> to hard determinism these days...no free will, > just > >> chemistry, neurons, > >> cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm > >> determined to do what I do. > >> Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum. > >> That would be an > >> unproveable premise, btw. > >> > >> > i know some of this has been brought up in the > >> past > >> > perhaps but i think we all could use a > >> refreshment! > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 09:26:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D0CF3BED6; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <695BA9E0-F87D-4099-81E1-CB7500DA9623@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--149300811 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 10:25:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 09:26:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--149300811 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I often remember Richard - in the new conversations I had with him, he imparted so much wisdom about the process of making music, I'll be processing and applying it for the rest of my life. I have a handful of benchmark moment in my music life, where things happened or people said things that changed in some way my thoughts about music. Two or three of those involve Richard. I just regret that I didn't get to know him better. His posts to this list were of such a consistently high quality, it's an amazing privilege to have spent time discussing things with him here. I'll be gigging in Glasgow on the 3rd, and will be thinking of him, for sure. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-3--149300811 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I often remember Richard - in = the new conversations I had with him, he imparted so much wisdom about = the process of making music, I'll be processing and applying it for the = rest of my life. I have a handful of benchmark moment in my music life, = where things happened or people said things that changed in some way my = thoughts about music. Two or three of those involve Richard. I just = regret that I didn't get to know him better.=A0

    His posts to this list were = of such a consistently high quality, it's an amazing privilege to have = spent time discussing things with him here.=A0

    I'll be gigging in Glasgow = on the 3rd, and will be thinking of him, for sure.=A0

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 13:54:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF58B3BEC7; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n0ez/5O87/DOBU084MPQx4eVOV6mfQWn/ADxSffW3IOs7+5E3hWgOTevZMy5Q8TyahIYVxQZJTIhTe49to0e/OvmY7LlXBGyaOo7qnkcMrG2gywTJEvMymQQl6JDDC77vuiuGCYaIJ9QmBeSpueZ/WKgYUe38HAxrO/VtNONz44= Message-ID: <913728d60607300638k157c229fv9bb4203ebfe15e3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 08:38:59 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: loop fades (Re: RiffBox & FX-Tracker (WAS how do you correct a bad loop on stage In-Reply-To: <20060730054344.33252.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60607281919v14837df6off32e0fe367f28a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060730054344.33252.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:54:06 +0000 (UTC) On 7/30/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > I tell you, the Riffbox and FX tracker look cool but > man there's something about that black box interface > that scares the shit out of me. yeah, thats what originally scared me out of that thing, when my guitar player first recommended it. It looks like the least user friendly box in the world, however it seems that it is full of cool features, so thats why i am going to use a FCB1010 with it, and hide the box in a rack drawer :) Charlie > --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > right...you are right with being able to still play > > and add to the > > loop while fading, but like i said before, and i > > think you got what i > > said, but i was saying that i wanted to fade out > > loop A, and at the > > very same time, start Loop B, similar to relay > > runners in track, > > you've got 4 or 5 guys who run the race all together > > and when it comes > > time to pass the baton the reciever starts running > > ahead of time so > > that when the baton comes around, the pace isn't > > lost. the batan gets > > passed seamlessly, without the first runner stopping > > and handing it > > off and then the second runner starts running...know > > what i mean kind > > of? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 16:59:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53A613BED8; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RcrAk+wENs8I8vqLLBnofAsTPaiZM1nGcHOTbp3GdhXzBpRXjds7qrILeZMZ8ApAIjLvfTut2oc2/V741w1sDkVMd0yOcc0K4YDnRd7Ggg/9XDcjX2CJaD/p1lV/7hsoax28CNV5awsfsyk6iFJleZL3tBP9/+RwAvq14Ayajyg= In-Reply-To: <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <762B1285-8211-4DEF-B94B-B8D234C35401@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:59:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:59:26 +0000 (UTC) On 28 jul 2006, at 16.03, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my > laptop or VST host crash during a performance. I've never crashed my laptop either, but I'm doing all kind of stupid mistakes. Especially at concerts when I tend to take more chances. Two days ago this happened to me at a festival for experimental electronic music gig. I was playing in a crypt-like room with a surround audio system provided by Ambiunix in Denmark and the sound in there was very intimate - audience pretty close up on me, speakers all around as well above in the ceiling. I had a nice thing going with seven simultaneous loops (of effect treated sax playing) and suddenly I changed my mind about where to go and decided to delete the latest loop with the delete button (on my laptop, using Mobius) instead of letting it go out by feedback, as I normally do. The problem was that the "body memory" of my right index finger was all used to the "delete all" actions (that I do between songs), which is a double-type on that button while the "delete track only" was a single type-down finger hammer-on on the same computer keyboard button. So of course my finger did the double type-dance and in the heat of the creative flow the complete surround PA audio went dead silent. Ooops. I started to play melodies freeley on the next sixteenth note while thinking about what to do - and after some four "solo break-down" (as I was hoping the audience was taking it) I kicked "Record" and ended it by Half-Speed. The free melody then became a repeating bass line under my soloing and I could proceed just like if it was meant to be so. This time I rushed to build up a new song structure much faster to not bore the listeners, but I forgot one chord so the chord structure became different than it had been before the "accidental solo break-down and re-build-up ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 17:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECD233BEDC; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02dd01c6b3fa$aabdf710$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060728065241.8395.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004501c6b24e$9b7e0b80$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <762B1285-8211-4DEF-B94B-B8D234C35401@gmail.com> Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:07:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Great thinking/improving on you feet, Per. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc > On 28 jul 2006, at 16.03, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my >> laptop or VST host crash during a performance. > > > I've never crashed my laptop either, but I'm doing all kind of stupid > mistakes. Especially at concerts when I tend to take more chances. > Two days ago this happened to me at a festival for experimental > electronic music gig. I was playing in a crypt-like room with a > surround audio system provided by Ambiunix in Denmark and the sound > in there was very intimate - audience pretty close up on me, speakers > all around as well above in the ceiling. I had a nice thing going > with seven simultaneous loops (of effect treated sax playing) and > suddenly I changed my mind about where to go and decided to delete > the latest loop with the delete button (on my laptop, using Mobius) > instead of letting it go out by feedback, as I normally do. The > problem was that the "body memory" of my right index finger was all > used to the "delete all" actions (that I do between songs), which is > a double-type on that button while the "delete track only" was a > single type-down finger hammer-on on the same computer keyboard > button. So of course my finger did the double type-dance and in the > heat of the creative flow the complete surround PA audio went dead > silent. Ooops. I started to play melodies freeley on the next > sixteenth note while thinking about what to do - and after some four > "solo break-down" (as I was hoping the audience was taking it) I > kicked "Record" and ended it by Half-Speed. The free melody then > became a repeating bass line under my soloing and I could proceed > just like if it was meant to be so. This time I rushed to build up a > new song structure much faster to not bore the listeners, but I > forgot one chord so the chord structure became different than it had > been before the "accidental solo break-down and re-build-up ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 17:09:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B2FC3BECC; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EpkUhiR1wkyhqzYg9YxHbUjK5dcGpFff86cS80+rXrWLBCvP9RGlPib44FsimPBfbI5INCmzCrLdTbOTQujVXXWtxtWqB+HBU8mJ1ZNhdXLSVlFPLDmOIwvNSxUEKY95hHprQW0vRTdEvB840yvHD141qt06gEaq75CBpMInjfQ= In-Reply-To: <00a301c6b24f$c265cd90$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060728075212.43880.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00a301c6b24f$c265cd90$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <30A93853-DDB3-4340-8921-088846031933@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Benefits of Undo Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:09:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:09:30 +0000 (UTC) On 28 jul 2006, at 16.11, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I my favorite use of Undo is to deconstruct my piece. That's also mine favorite use of Undo! I keep a little MIDI button pad on the table (or chair) beside the laptop. This gives me direct access to the Undo/Redo history of the active loop on any of Mobius eight tracks (so I won't be limited to only de/reconstract the playing loop on the active track. http://www.faderfox.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 17:14:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 398B03BED5; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ea01c6b3fb$aaf2cd40$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060730075027.73623.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:14:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <5-xvZB.A.2xB.MkOzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:14:53 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:50 AM Subject: Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc > Yesterday i played for a fashion show,did soundcheck > everything was cool and when the show started > everytime i pushed the overdub button on the EDP the > guitar sounded really loud!i was just thinking fuck me > man why now and not during soundcheck you piece of > shit!I reseted my rack and evrything was back to > normal...this happened about to me about a year ago > but dont ask me why! > Luis I had this happen to me once with my EDPs. I discovered it was happening after I changed from the EDP contoller to the Beheringer FCB, without restarting the EDPs. Very weird, but water under the bridge for me, nonetheless. Fashion show, eh? Sounds interesting. I just got approached to create a looping piece for a short film. I am really looking forward to this. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 17:50:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5BD3BEDC; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:01 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002b01c6b400$e81c3440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060730051808.18503.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Mark S. wrote: > I just did a search on his name at Wilkipedia and > nothing came up. Surely we should get together and > write an entry based on his posts, no? You go, boy! RZ was THE BEST. I'd suggest you put together a simple 1- or 2-paragraph description of his work, post it here, and we can all pick nits until it shines. dB, coyote From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 19:06:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701F53BED0; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:06:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, I just made a major change to my CD sales approach. From now on I am selling all of my CDs for $5.00 USD. This is marked down from $13.00. You can view all five of them on CD Baby here: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung I will also be selling them in person for $5.00, so if you happen to be at Y2K6, check out my stuff at the concessions table. Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 20:59:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 554F83BECA; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21-65108607 Message-Id: <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:59:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.200000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhar) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-21-65108607 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kris, Are you doing digital distribution through CD Baby as well. I've found that I'm not really selling physical CDs anymore. But my download sales are strong. Just wondering if this is the norm now. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > > I just made a major change to my CD sales approach. From now on I > am selling all of my CDs for $5.00 USD. This is marked down from > $13.00. You can view all five of them on CD Baby here: > > http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > I will also be selling them in person for $5.00, so if you happen > to be at Y2K6, check out my stuff at the concessions table. > > Cheers, > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers- > delight.m3u > > --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com --Apple-Mail-21-65108607 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    Kris,

    Are you doing digital = distribution through CD Baby as well.=A0 I've found that I'm not really = selling physical CDs anymore.=A0 But my download sales are strong.=A0 = Just wondering if this is the norm now.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, = at 12:06 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    Hello all,

    I just made a major change to my = CD sales approach.=A0 =46rom = now on I am selling all of my CDs for $5.00 USD. This is marked down = from $13.00.=A0 You can = view all five of them on CD Baby here:


    I will also be selling them in person for $5.00, so = if you happen to be at Y2K6, check out my stuff at the concessions = table.

    Cheers,

    Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhart= ung
    info@krispenhartung.com / = 1.208.724.5603



    ---

    King Never

    http://www.kingnever.com

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-21-65108607-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 30 22:49:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 994DA3BED6; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014001c6b42a$654d03d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Richard Zvonar: a fond memory from the first Y2K2 festival Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:49:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:49:18 +0000 (UTC) I went back and read some of the posts by and about Richard Zvonar after Kim's post announcing the anniversary of his death. I felt really sad and also really proud of this whole community reading my impressions of the first big festival, the start of the Y2k series which has it's 5th anniversary this year on October 21 and 22. For those who didn't know him, Richard was our resident scholar and researcher. If you posted something that you hadn't done your homework on, Richard would post a reply with every relevant link about the subject from the web. He always did this with a big heart. We really lost an amazing human being when he passed away last year. Here, for nostalgia's sake and a fond nod to a wonderful looper and human being, Richard Zvonar, Phd. ********************* July, 2002, Hi fellow loopers, Well it's 2:21 a.m. and the festival has been incredible!!! I"m in my kitchen with Larry the "O" (who had a really nice set with Gary Hall today), Matt Davignon and Michael Klobuchar. We should be sleeping because we hit it again hard tomorrow for the last 11/12 hours of looping madness. Gary and Ted Killian and Jon Wagner (who had a very cool percussive looping exploration) are out sleeping in the garage which is clean for the first time in history. It feels so great being part of this community. There was so much creativity on display tonight. A couple of people broke their live solo looping virginity (Logan Kroeber, the youngest amongst us and Eric Oberthaler who had a beautiful set----one an wonderful high tech trumpeter he is)and then there were incredible sets from Amy X Neuburg ___who tore the house down with her incredible set of vocal looping--- funny; intense; scary and completely thought provoking......I think she probably had the most 'talked about' set of the entire day. We also had a wonderful lecture by Richard Zvonar on the history of Looping. I was excited to hear him say that he plans on formally writing it up and, I hope, publishing it in some form. We also had demos by my brother Bill Walker (Electrix Repeater) and Andre LaFosse (on the intensely powerful and deep and elegant Loop IV software for the Echoplex) and me (Line 6 DL 4)....a cassette looping performance by proto-looper Ramon Sender and a cool panel discussion (which was too brief due, unfortunately, to our having run behind in our 12 hour schedule). I'm exhausted and it's time to sleep!!!! More to come.......... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 00:42:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23ABA3BECF; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:42:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_035C_01C6B407.E0507DA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:42:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_035C_01C6B407.E0507DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital = distribution as well.=20 All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled = back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell = them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough = call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the = matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a = situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply = because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on = their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my = CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation = who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, = the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they = are missing a significant element of the production. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew F. McCabe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Kris, Are you doing digital distribution through CD Baby as well. I've = found that I'm not really selling physical CDs anymore. But my download = sales are strong. Just wondering if this is the norm now. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Hello all, I just made a major change to my CD sales approach. From now on I = am selling all of my CDs for $5.00 USD. This is marked down from $13.00. = You can view all five of them on CD Baby here: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung I will also be selling them in person for $5.00, so if you happen to = be at Y2K6, check out my stuff at the concessions table. Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u=20 --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com ------=_NextPart_000_035C_01C6B407.E0507DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I sure am. I have all of the CDs going = through all=20 of the digital distribution as well.
     
    All in all, I don't really do this for = the money,=20 yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should = give my CDs=20 away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is = a tough=20 call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the = matter....BUT, for=20 me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist = when=20 someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or = because=20 they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the = highest=20 priority.  I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD = Baby's cost,=20 then not have folks listening to my music.  And, believe it or not, = I am of=20 the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I = produce=20 a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the = production as the=20 music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my = physical=20 CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are = missing a=20 significant element of the production.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Matthew=20 F. McCabe
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 = 2:59=20 PM
    Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked = down to=20 $5.00

    Kris,

    Are you doing digital distribution through CD Baby as well.  = I've=20 found that I'm not really selling physical CDs anymore.  But my = download=20 sales are strong.  Just wondering if this is the norm now.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
    Hello all,

    I just made a major change to my CD sales = approach.  From now = on I am=20 selling all of my CDs for $5.00 USD. This is marked down from = $13.00.  You can view all five of = them on=20 CD Baby here:

    http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

    I will also be selling them in person for = $5.00, so=20 if you happen to be at Y2K6, check out my stuff at the concessions=20 table.

    Cheers,

    *************************************************
    Krispen Hartung / Improvisational = Guitar
    www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
    info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
    Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
    Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boi= semusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u 



    ---

    King Never

    http://www.kingnever.com

    =

    ------=_NextPart_000_035C_01C6B407.E0507DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 01:52:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E5913BED5; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q0X3eTmpwqIPFdVokeZ7x870M2TlYgASxU2cDJXe3GytHgDqVdjX8SFIjLj6xeR83VoVgCjG0CniIA+qBLMZZ10qERbN9qinef6Cg+1/eQHbd099RSGTdDxwPdZfSi5FJrpll4jpDMWNFhQH3z64YZhRJ3vkqILwcE0xEpoHG10= ; Message-ID: <20060731015230.51652.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c6b400$e81c3440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps I shouldn't have spoken... I honestly didn't really know him all that well and all I knew of his work was the few Santa Cruz loopfests he played at. That and his many very useful posts. Personally I didn't have much contact with him. --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Mark S. wrote: > > I just did a search on his name at Wilkipedia and > > nothing came up. Surely we should get together > and > > write an entry based on his posts, no? > > You go, boy! RZ was THE BEST. I'd suggest you put > together a simple 1- or > 2-paragraph description of his work, post it here, > and we can all pick nits > until it shines. > dB, coyote > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 02:01:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A493BEEC; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RRrn3l0hRkklUACg8sSaDeADLLbojz3HGiOm/9EwNAAiFWDpfKOic3OESsQr7Jsrmxi4Uan/GyqbjsO+W/c3ucKVIopxgWa/q64Hijjg3ud+G1vAqr5ji7Rdy4CDjSCL87Pna9DSeXkD0bT58B4DrNbJV5bi1coy0dd7e9T1Xzg= ; Message-ID: <20060731020133.77988.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Interface? (was Re: Benefits of Undo) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <30A93853-DDB3-4340-8921-088846031933@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <65biI.A.jYC.-RWzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:01:34 +0000 (UTC) This brings up a good question I've been pondering. I'm having a kick ass time with the Live/Mobius setup but one thing that's problematic is that I find myself having to mouse around from time to time because I'm trying to keep my floor set up simple. I tried multi bank presets with my FCB1010/Repeater setup but I found it too confusing. I see you posted that link and I'm going to look into them, but until that I was thinking that perhaps NI KORE controller could be the way to go considering I'm already using Reaktor/Absynth and Battery as well as a few Kontakt powered sample instruments. I just like the idea that the controller displays information. I'd like to hear what people are using for desktop controllers for computer setups these days. I've hear that KORE has some issues but these all seemed to be related to using it as an audio interface which wouldn't be the way I'd use it. Anyone using KORE from within Mobius? Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 jul 2006, at 16.11, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I my favorite use of Undo is to deconstruct my > piece. > > > That's also mine favorite use of Undo! I keep a > little MIDI button > pad on the table (or chair) beside the laptop. This > gives me direct > access to the Undo/Redo history of the active loop > on any of Mobius > eight tracks (so I won't be limited to only > de/reconstract the > playing loop on the active track. > http://www.faderfox.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 06:21:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084C03BEC5; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44C79D67.19968.1D732A5@nick.12testing.net> References: <44C79D67.19968.1D732A5@nick.12testing.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:12:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: experimental >< successfull Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2006 06:21:34.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[92383240:01C6B469] Resent-Message-ID: <-FrVF.A.csB.xFazEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:21:37 +0000 (UTC) nicely put, Nick! years ago we have been talking about why loopers dont seem to become popular. >Re the rc50 video, I tend to believe the looping is more of a state >of mind and an approach to creating music, rather than using the >latest technology to show how clever you are. as it looks, its recently developing into a third way: a tool to support live music which does not sound so different from music without the tool. >The guitarist in the >video in question is treating the looper as a multitrack recorder to >allow him to widdle to his own riffs. This is all well and good, but >if you listen to true creative loopers, they are creating expressive >and original music, not just jamming over a backing track. > >The majority of designers of looping pedals clearly have the >multitrack mentality to the fore, but they kind of miss the point to >my way of thinking. To this day, the most interesting and creative >things I do use a 20 year old Powertran DDL that a friend added extra >memory to. It has no click track, no quantise, no undo or flash >memory and it wouldn't know what to do with a midi cable, but it's >*musical*. yes, but be honest: isnt it musical because it does something of its own to your playing, so it adds a character or expression that fascinates you and inspires to play what you would not? if you use a simple multitrack looper, all you can do is jam over a backing track, so you have to do do it well. Although there certainly is a public which becomes fascinated with an inspired interaction with a random or not quite controlled machine, it seems that there is much more public for a funky guy that jams well over groovy tracks. After all, Rico makes a living on it and spreads a fresh energy. Thats a lot! Right, there are also musicians who manage to do all of this and also present a unique sound and induce a meeting with a new spirit that may change the listeners lifes! Any looping tool to some extent helps to make this happen. most of us are a bit of all and in no way I want to break up into two kinds or line up musicians on a scale. maybe its even useless thinking. it took me over an hour to type this. shouldnt I be working on it instead? -- ---> http://www.matthiasgrob.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 08:24:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66CE3BEC2; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comc ast.net> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:24:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:24:06 +0000 (UTC) > > I do have clients that listen just to the CD and dont care about how its > done. > I gave a CD of mine to a simple citizan of my neighbourhood and month > later when I walked through that street, I heard my music! Is that the > kind of success you are talking about? > I think this is the acid test. I remember when Berhard Wagner, James Sidlo and myself were in Japan. James gave out very gracious landlady a copy of his album. I heard her playing it some time later. Not just 2 minutes of it either - she had a real good listen. On a personal note I think this maybe why I haven't created an album of looping. It sounds so much better to me when I'm playing it ! A classic process vs product split. I think I'll start a new regime - record everything. I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours of jamming and cut it into shape for an album. Anyone here doing this? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 08:43:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F423BED6; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comcast.net> <6d2d27b879e4b4f6137bf7535dad8c3a@charter.net> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:43:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C6B485.C365B330" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:43:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C6B485.C365B330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loved your email Ted. Well said man. This what it all about. Gareth Love of music itself is=20 the only real valid point for playing it in the first place Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. 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    Loved your email Ted. Well said man. = This what it=20 all about.
    Gareth


     Love of music itself is
    the only real valid = point for=20 playing it in the first place

    Peace,

    tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always = better,=20 but better is always=20 = different"

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    Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
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    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C6B485.C365B330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 08:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FABB3BED6; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rUHEOi+dO6hgRvf5VVSk32VYZ5wI+u8YPULtZUtz9uvxZIB7qtEOKAMiWWPC3iW1VAjrP+WyOaH61loMQ4z4Q1Yk+7ZQf7sGezWWVIu9mwiLGow2hnu4QEU4TnjS53reNiS/ULGefewpa1wJoyInuPsAoFS4LezasdP3SM5TuXU= In-Reply-To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comc ast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <665E1143-8995-4166-8DD4-3405E94F2390@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:47:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:47:18 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jul 2006, at 10.24, gareth whittock wrote: > On a personal note I think this maybe why I haven't created an > album of looping. It sounds so much better to me when I'm playing it ! > A classic process vs product split. > I think I'll start a new regime - record everything. > I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours of > jamming and cut it into shape for an album. > Anyone here doing this? > > Gareth I'm all with you on this, Gareth! Although I have made records in the past I'm very reluctant to create "products" of the live looping music I'm now developing. It simply doesn't feel right to package it as a "product" because it really is a "process" and "a happening". Thank you for putting words to my long time thoughts! :-) I'd much rather go somewhere and perform the real thing than have people all over buy the synthetic replication of it on CD. But in the real world you can't take such a diva stand, or you will never be going anywhere with you music performances. So I'm doing live recordings in simple stereo; more as "documentation" than as "product", for the purpose of booking gigs. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 08:58:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 283A43BEE2; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:58:05 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c6b47f$70213ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6B490.33AA0AB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aca0fouqYS+zKL3FRueU6h7HkmXT0gAAGcFw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-U0mWD.A.lnG.iYczEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:58:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6B490.33AA0AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours > of jamming and cut it into shape for an album. > Anyone here doing this? that was how I created my Escape Veloopity album almost 10 years ago. I had this Paradis Loopdelay and some effects and a DAT recorder and I just looped and improvised for weeks and months, recording lots of it. Then I made a "best of" for myself, and only then it occurred to me that I might put some of it on CD. http://www.burningshed.com/index.asp?page=details&main=shops&label=2&id=92 Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6B490.33AA0AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    > I think Tangerine Dream worked like = this. They'd=20 record hours
    > of jamming and cut it into shape for an = album.
    >=20 Anyone here doing this?

    that was how I created my Escape = Veloopity album=20 almost 10 years ago. I had this Paradis Loopdelay and some effects and a = DAT=20 recorder and I just looped and improvised for weeks and months, = recording lots=20 of it. Then I made a "best of" for myself, and only then it occurred to = me that=20 I might put some of it on CD.
    http://www.burningshed.com/index.asp?page=3Ddetails&main=3Ds= hops&label=3D2&id=3D92


    Michael = www.michaelpeters.de

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C6B490.33AA0AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 08:58:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553E13BEE8; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comc ast.net> <665E1143-8995-4166-8DD4-3405E94F2390@gmail.com> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:58:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Cool Per. Keep us informed on how it's going. I loved your set in Switzerland last year. Were you using infinite reverb or something? right at the start of your set. G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: process Vs product > On 31 jul 2006, at 10.24, gareth whittock wrote: > >> On a personal note I think this maybe why I haven't created an album of >> looping. It sounds so much better to me when I'm playing it ! >> A classic process vs product split. >> I think I'll start a new regime - record everything. >> I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours of jamming >> and cut it into shape for an album. >> Anyone here doing this? >> >> Gareth > > > I'm all with you on this, Gareth! Although I have made records in the > past I'm very reluctant to create "products" of the live looping music > I'm now developing. It simply doesn't feel right to package it as a > "product" because it really is a "process" and "a happening". Thank you > for putting words to my long time thoughts! :-) I'd much rather go > somewhere and perform the real thing than have people all over buy the > synthetic replication of it on CD. > > But in the real world you can't take such a diva stand, or you will never > be going anywhere with you music performances. So I'm doing live > recordings in simple stereo; more as "documentation" than as "product", > for the purpose of booking gigs. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 09:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 142A03BED6; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fiDnhn3hI4mFZDzSD23mpOVq9Bc2MF0fWAcS+2CdUh1mTVkM9kwQ8t+/3JQk3niqP7OMDgWwjOz29nxIBYQzVp5swmF2XduDKYCb99pjMu7YOWUeaVbK70O24ZRYOAewVwFJn8jiPdxHua0wr77Q9LtUDFjVEqmF9thUuXRR1+Y= In-Reply-To: References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comc ast.net> <665E1143-8995-4166-8DD4-3405E94F2390@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <67E29F6B-FB48-4F32-A6A1-A54164F26C5B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:22:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0uvcSB.A.80H.NvczEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:22:21 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jul 2006, at 10.58, gareth whittock wrote: > Cool Per. > Keep us informed on how it's going. > I loved your set in Switzerland last year. Oh, thanks (blushing...). It all sounds quite different by now. > Were you using infinite reverb or something? right at the start of > your set. That was the laptop. Ableton Live has a built-in reverb that may give a certain "Freeze Verb". If you stay silent for a while the last note you played in the past will stay frozen for ages, until you make some noise again. That's the most lovely reverb I have tried - and funnily it sounds best at the "low resolution" setting ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 09:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8251E3BED3; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:59:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: experimental >< successfull Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44CDE28C.4902.BB1D7D@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:59:41 +0000 (UTC) On 30 Jul 2006 at 20:12, Matthias Grob wrote: > as it looks, its recently developing into a third way: > a tool to support live music which does not sound so different from > music without the tool. yes - even KT Tunstall is now marketed as a looper.... > yes, but be honest: isnt it musical because it does something of its > own to your playing, so it adds a character or expression that > fascinates you and inspires to play what you would not? Genau... > seems that there is much more public for a funky guy that jams well > over groovy tracks. That's been the story of music for decades - I don't blame boss for choosing someone with wider appeal, but there are any number of videos on utube showing people "widdling" over a 4 bar chord loop. I'd hope for something a little more inspired. > Right, there are also musicians who manage to do all of this and also > present a unique sound and induce a meeting with a new spirit that may > change the listeners lifes! That's what I aspire to and pretty much sums up your music - if people haven't heard Matthias, have a listen to http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/Graminha.mp3 I admire the way your beard has developed and adapted to changing technology over the years and full marks for publishing this gallery! http://matthias.grob.org/pPictures/CurriculumFac/matiface.htm All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 11:39:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEA93BEDC; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:39:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6B4A6.C19CFE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:39:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6B4A6.C19CFE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened = it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so = much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to = be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my = loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and = politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick = poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6B4A6.C19CFE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Due to the phenomenal jump in available = loopers,=20 this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different = subjects=20 recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots = technology... It=20 used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of = my=20 loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and = politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by this = list.. but=20 lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll = start... (looping=20 products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and=20 Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com
    ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C6B4A6.C19CFE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 11:49:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 362243BEDB; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:48:57 +0200 Message-ID: <011b01c6b497$51e23b40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:49:11 +0000 (UTC) > From: gareth whittock [mailto:gareth@whiteoakstudios.freeserve.co.uk]=20 > Sent: Montag, 31. Juli 2006 10:24 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: process Vs product > I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours=20 > of jamming and=20 > cut it into shape for an album. > Anyone here doing this? >=20 > Gareth We recorded a jam the day after the Cambridge Loopfest 2004 (http://www.collective.co.uk/loopfest/archive2004.html) with Mike = Bearpark. We had such fun we decided to published a CD (http://pedaltone.com, http://www.burningshed.com/index.asp?page=3Ddetails&main=3Dshed&label=3D9= &id=3D345) There's a 4 minute trailer available (5.7 MB) http://pedaltone.com/trailer.mp3 In a way you record the raw material as the source and then "compose" it only afterwards by selecting, mixing, etc. Also with Per Boysen we used this approach: = http://www.looproom.com/bw/sf/. There's a related lecture by Brian Eno "The Studio As Compositional = Tool": http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/interviews/downbeat79.htm (http://tinyurl.com/nbwet) I digress, but with a looping perspective (and otherwise) you'll enjoy = the above article: "almost any arbitrary collision of events listened to enough times comes to seem very meaningful" ... "And you'll hear, in a cleverly disguised fashion, exactly the=20 same parts repeated. Which makes you think that Percy Jones of=20 Brand X is an incredible bass player, because he does every=20 complex, idiosyncratic thing three our four times in a row.=20 That's a trick I like using." And while Eno is talking about the "Studio As Compositional Tool", e.g. = this whole paragraph applies to looping just as much: " ... one becomes empirical in a way that the classical composer never was. You're working directly with sound, and there's no=20 transmission loss between you and the sound - you handle it. It puts the composer in the identical position of the painter -=20 he's working directly with a material, working directly onto a=20 substance, and he always retains the options to chop and change, to paint a bit out, add a piece, etc." Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 11:53:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6477A3BED9; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aEZm2ND+3QbfX6OsGysIa6XbTiNDlCBVpc/mlnU3hFvNXe2X1bbqxjKgpUguxoPbkACOng5FzEpHRKUIOe5edFGjW9kONjnwWapzs/bES2CvTj133BZOJ11qdQ6C5HGdJLh833GnqBElZFYcvBY93Xa4i1vYpi59tT6jTv1zlE8= ; Message-ID: <20060731115341.47542.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Boss-dd20 Qestion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011b01c6b497$51e23b40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, I just got a used DD-20 and ive been fooling around with it,i noticed that the screen led light goes on when i turn the device on and then it goes out after a few seconds,is this normal? i have it plugged in with a normal Boss 9V 200Ma adaptor thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 12:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81F613BEF4; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:36:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6B4A6.56E4E4D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:36:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6B4A6.56E4E4D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable laptop g ----- Original Message -----=20 From: markfrancombe.com=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Quick poll Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened = it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so = much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to = be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my = loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and = politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick = poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6B4A6.56E4E4D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 12:39=20 PM
    Subject: Quick poll

    Due to the phenomenal jump in = available loopers,=20 this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of = different=20 subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots=20 technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP = list, with=20 a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of=20 philosophising and politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by = this list..=20 but lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll = start...=20 (looping products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and=20 Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and = works at www.transformlearning.com
    ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C6B4A6.56E4E4D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 12:45:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B3AE3BEF9; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <56821.62.25.100.75.1154349923.squirrel@62.25.100.75> In-Reply-To: References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:45:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Quick poll From: dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:45:26 +0000 (UTC) EDP Cheers B From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 12:52:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128073BEF3; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c6b4a0$516cf520$72b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 05:53:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:52:31 +0000 (UTC) I'm still on my trusty Obie White Face EDP into a Vortex. Keeping it simple at the moment... Love that glitchcore it spits out though! Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 12:59:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5945F3BEEE; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6846614.1154350772890.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 5:59:32 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3CLtL.A.R2G.56fzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:59:38 +0000 (UTC) BOSS RC-50. -- Paul Richards ---- dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > EDP > > Cheers > > B > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6392B3BEE6; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAKqczUQN Message-ID: <44CE0010.9050801@hushmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:05:20 -0400 From: Jim Shepherd Reply-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:05:27 +0000 (UTC) hardware: stereo EDP's, which are showing their age software: Mobius Live 5.2.1 markfrancombe.com wrote: > > > > your turn... > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com > he writes for www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:12:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D8EC3BF00; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=p4twLa365fd3MQNw5E3VBPQ+no1sEX6ePPAWNEjd8P9gfGyXiCs/538Rw97mLZQvblV7KJ/RbVvn2rNvN9P4bcY+Add2Oqi6TKFM7TS8kxujhi4XqEthnIcOuMWm05s77WUIDkdXc4sTP9smQW3eKtN79eTk72HEX5yF5zCqwcc= In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:12:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:12:41 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jul 2006, at 13.39, markfrancombe.com wrote: > Whos using what now? (audio signal chain) - TC Electronics Fireworx (yes, it's both an effect processor and a rudimentary looper) - Laptop running Mobius - External RNC compressor (makes my multiple loops blend well together, dynamically) (MIDI signal chain) - hand and foot controllers - Mobius - TC Electronics Fireworx (following the tempo set by first loop recorded in Mobius) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42BE43BEFA; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:28:08 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: process Vs product To: Message-id: <000a01c6b4a5$2a3bbf40$03dfa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <072820060616.6642.44C9ABCF0005E887000019F222165514060196010D9F010104@comc ast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:18:41 +0000 (UTC) I used to record my jams to a cassette deck even. I'd just record things for a few weeks. Then I'd go back and listen to them. Very often I was surprized by what I discovered. The distance would help divorce me from the emotions I had as I played them. Mostly things seemed to get better. I totally agree that while the process can be interesting ultimately it is irrelevant to the end result, which needs to be "good music" in and of it's own right. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "gareth whittock" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: Re: process Vs product > I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours of jamming and > cut it into shape for an album. > Anyone here doing this? > > Gareth > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:21:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA3633BF10; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:21:19 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:21:22 +0000 (UTC) > On 31 jul 2006, at 13.39, markfrancombe.com wrote: > > Whos using what now? My most-used loopers: Akai Headrush, Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky, Boss RC-20 Loopstation. Also, depending: Boss RC-20XL Loopstation, Digitech Jamman, Electro-Harmonix 16sec reissue. Rarely used: Electrix Repeater Mark(there will apparently only be) I best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:21:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7058D3BF17; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:31:15 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Message-id: <002a01c6b4a5$995006c0$03dfa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Stereo EDP's From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:36:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9BD3BF0B; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:32:18 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll Message-ID: <20060731133218.GA8136@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:36:12 +0000 (UTC) EDP On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 01:39:33PM +0200, markfrancombe.com wrote: > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... > > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll > > Whos using what now? > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) > > Vortex split into EDP and Repeater > > > your turn... > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C6723BF1B; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:42:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Quick poll Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Electro Harmonix 2880 Electrix Repeater EH 16 second delay Sellon modded Lexicon Jamman -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 13:49:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EED4F3BF12; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <517.48aa471.31ff647d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:49:49 EDT Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_517.48aa471.31ff647d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_vQXRC.A.vCB.EqgzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:49:56 +0000 (UTC) --part1_517.48aa471.31ff647d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit boss rc-50 (edp-berringer midi pedal ready to come off the bench when needed) jf --part1_517.48aa471.31ff647d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable boss rc-50

    (edp-berringer midi pedal ready to come off the bench when needed)

    jf     --part1_517.48aa471.31ff647d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:02:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49D03BF04; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE0D5C.10807@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:02:04 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010709030605020909080705" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0631-0, 07/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:02:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010709030605020909080705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PC Laptop - Mobius --Josh markfrancombe.com wrote: > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened > it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, > so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It > used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of > my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of > philosophising and politicising... > > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll > > Whos using what now? > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) > > Vortex split into EDP and Repeater > > > your turn... > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com > he writes for www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > --------------010709030605020909080705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PC Laptop - Mobius

    --Josh


    markfrancombe.com wrote:
    Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com
    --------------010709030605020909080705-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A4703BF0C; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:01:27 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Boss-dd20 Qestion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "L.A. Angulo" Message-id: <004901c6b4aa$60d5c460$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060731115341.47542.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Luis wrote: > Hi gang, > I just got a used DD-20 and ive been fooling around > with it,i noticed that the screen led light goes on > when i turn the device on and then it goes out after a > few seconds,is this normal? i have it plugged in with > a normal Boss 9V 200Ma adaptor > thanx > Luis Yup. Totally normal. If you want the screen to stay lit, hold down both buttons just below the screen for about 2 seconds. You'll see that it's kinda bracketed to indicate both both buttons with *LIGHT written there. That's the unit's way of saying, "push these down for the light to stay on." I'll bet you can go to the Boss web site and find the manual in a PDF file. Not that a Boss manual is very helpful... ;-) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:04:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC5D23BF20; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:04:04 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Quick poll To: "markfrancombe.com" , loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004a01c6b4aa$6118e7e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZsxP1M1kjtv2mXq5yyf43A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ZsxP1M1kjtv2mXq5yyf43A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Two Boss DD-20's. --Boundary_(ID_ZsxP1M1kjtv2mXq5yyf43A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
    Two Boss DD-20's.
    --Boundary_(ID_ZsxP1M1kjtv2mXq5yyf43A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:07:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 223983BF24; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10620356.1154354827082.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 7:07:07 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: process Vs product MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:07:08 +0000 (UTC) That's exactly what I like to do. I like to have my recording environment ready to go and whenever I start playing following a warmup, I record. The amazing thing is going back and listening to stuff that was recorded in the past. I pulled out a box of zip disks no less that I recorded using a Roland VS-840 rig and have been previewing them. Many songs I never committed to CD because there might have been a sour note or perhaps portions of the song were not terrifically inspiring, hence they haven't seen the light of day for 5 years or more. BUT, I've noticed a lot of the old stuff sounded pretty darn good and even the lower eschelon ones had some sections that warranted cutting out and using as separate pieces. -- Paul Richards ---- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I used to record my jams to a cassette deck even. I'd just record things > for a few weeks. Then I'd go back and listen to them. Very often I was > surprized by what I discovered. The distance would help divorce me from the > emotions I had as I played them. Mostly things seemed to get better. > > I totally agree that while the process can be interesting ultimately it is > irrelevant to the end result, which needs to be "good music" in and of it's > own right. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gareth whittock" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 4:24 AM > Subject: Re: process Vs product > > > > I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours of jamming > and > > cut it into shape for an album. > > Anyone here doing this? > > > > Gareth > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:16:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224603BF2A; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "markfrancombe.com" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:13:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Quick poll Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44CE1E06.16832.1A371EE@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:16:45 +0000 (UTC) > Whos using what now? original jamman with full memory expansion powertran DDL (modified up to 6 seconds) zoom G2 All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AAB3BF2E; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03c201c6b4ac$6714f880$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002301c6b47f$70213ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:19:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03BD_01C6B47A.1B879D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:20:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03BD_01C6B47A.1B879D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And that's how I did the majority of my CDs too...I just record, record, = record, both in my studio at live performances. Eventually, something = pulls together into a theme. I did this for a year and generated enough = material to create two CDs, albeit out of probably 10 CDs of material! =20 Does anyone actually go into the studio with the intent of recording all = the songs for a looping CD? This would feel very restrictive and = unnatural to me, like trying to force art into a bottle, or like telling = a painter he has to go into a room and complete a great painting in 6 = hours. ...although, these days, most everything that I play live or play in the = studio I would feel comfortable putting on CD. Several years ago, = before playing and studying jazz, and really becomining intimate with my = guitar as an improvisational tool to the point the I could feel = something and then play it, I could not have done this...it would have = been hit and miss. I feel as if I have become very consistent with the = quality of my playing now, regardless of how many risks I take. Looping = in the free improv context, live, has really helped with this too. I = can't think of a better appraoch to fine tune how well you become = acquainted with your instrument. I am very comfortable playing in the = dark now. When this consistency is not as "consistent" is when I play with others, = because then I have a whole new set of factors to address. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 > I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours > of jamming and cut it into shape for an album. > Anyone here doing this? that was how I created my Escape Veloopity album almost 10 years ago. = I had this Paradis Loopdelay and some effects and a DAT recorder and I = just looped and improvised for weeks and months, recording lots of it. = Then I made a "best of" for myself, and only then it occurred to me that = I might put some of it on CD. = http://www.burningshed.com/index.asp?page=3Ddetails&main=3Dshops&label=3D= 2&id=3D92 Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_03BD_01C6B47A.1B879D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    And that's how I did the majority of my = CDs too...I=20 just record, record, record, both in my studio at live performances. = Eventually,=20 something pulls together into a theme.  I did this for a year and = generated=20 enough material to create two CDs, albeit out of probably 10 CDs of=20 material! 
     
    Does anyone actually go into the studio = with the=20 intent of recording all the songs for a looping CD? This would feel very = restrictive and unnatural to me, like trying to force art into a bottle, = or like=20 telling a painter he has to go into a room and complete a great painting = in 6=20 hours.
     
    ...although, these days, most = everything that I=20 play live or play in the studio I would feel comfortable putting on = CD. =20 Several years ago, before playing and studying jazz, and really = becomining=20 intimate with my guitar as an improvisational tool to the point the I = could feel=20 something and then play it, I could not have done this...it would have = been hit=20 and miss. I feel as if I have become very consistent with the quality of = my=20 playing now, regardless of how many risks I take. Looping in the free = improv=20 context, live, has really helped with this too. I can't think of a = better=20 appraoch to fine tune how well  you become acquainted with your=20 instrument.  I am very comfortable playing in the dark = now.
     
    When this consistency is not as = "consistent" is=20 when I play with others, because then I have a whole new set of factors = to=20 address.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Michael = Peters
     

    > I think Tangerine Dream worked = like this.=20 They'd record hours
    > of jamming and cut it into shape for an=20 album.
    > Anyone here doing this?

    that was how I created = my Escape=20 Veloopity album almost 10 years ago. I had this Paradis Loopdelay and = some=20 effects and a DAT recorder and I just looped and improvised for weeks = and=20 months, recording lots of it. Then I made a "best of" for myself, and = only=20 then it occurred to me that I might put some of it on CD.
    http://www.burningshed.com/index.asp?page=3Ddetails&main=3Ds= hops&label=3D2&id=3D92


    Michael www.michaelpeters.de

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_03BD_01C6B47A.1B879D00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:20:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27EB3BEF6; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4f8.3f511f0.31ff6bb4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:20:36 EDT Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4f8.3f511f0.31ff6bb4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <4L1tSC.A.n5C.8GhzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:20:44 +0000 (UTC) --part1_4f8.3f511f0.31ff6bb4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit boomerang.....zoom2100.....mo-fx.....quadraverb 2.....sequencers on casio cz-5000's.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_4f8.3f511f0.31ff6bb4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable boomerang.....zoom2100.....mo-fx.....qu= adraverb 2.....sequencers on casio cz-5000's.....michael



    www.ct-collective.com
    http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
    http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
     --part1_4f8.3f511f0.31ff6bb4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:20:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B530C3BF3A; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:20:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Quick poll Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <7fx8t.A.BCD.LHhzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:20:59 +0000 (UTC) At 1:39 PM +0200 7/31/06, markfrancombe.com wrote: > >Whos using what now? Hardware: Looperlative LP-1 Electrix Repeater Line 6 Echo Pro (2x) Line 6 DL-4 Boss DD-20 (2x) Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky Lexicon Vortex Software (Mac): Ableton Live 5.2.1 Augustus Loop Plasq Musolomo Plus bunches of other hardware and software used for processing, rather than looping... --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:23:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13ECF3BF35; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03de01c6b4ac$e7d15c70$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:23:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03DB_01C6B47A.9C57B000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:23:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03DB_01C6B47A.9C57B000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, someone developed a web-based poll for this a few months = ago, so maybe we can resurrect that, but add some effect options too. = Who did that? In addition to the massive list of looping devices, hard = and soft, I would add as many effect processors as you can think of, = software too (VST, Reaktor, etc) Maybe add a question that asks if you are a laptop only or = hardware-laptop hybrid looper now...I would be interested to see this. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: markfrancombe.com=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Quick poll Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened = it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so = much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to = be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my = loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and = politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick = poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_03DB_01C6B47A.9C57B000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Actually,  someone  developed = a web-based=20 poll for this a few months ago, so maybe we can resurrect that, but add = some=20 effect options too. Who did that? In addition to the massive list of = looping=20 devices, hard and soft, I would add as many effect processors as you can = think=20 of, software too (VST, Reaktor, etc)

    Maybe add a question that asks if you are a laptop only or=20 hardware-laptop hybrid looper now...I would be interested to see = this.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 markfrancombe.com
    To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 5:39 AM
    Subject: Quick poll

    Due to the phenomenal jump in = available loopers,=20 this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of = different=20 subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots=20 technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP = list, with=20 a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of=20 philosophising and politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by = this list..=20 but lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll = start...=20 (looping products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and=20 Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and = works at www.transformlearning.com
    ------=_NextPart_000_03DB_01C6B47A.9C57B000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:32:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 779AF3BF30; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:32:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aca0rJEyw9QoMxUKQk+xLqgE7kyizgAASSnA Message-Id: <20060731143228.HAML27857.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:32:30 +0000 (UTC) RC-20 for quick n dirty Lexicon MPX-g2 into EDP for the full setup I bought a DD-20 but just haven't put it to much use yet-- I like the G2-EDP combination--driving the G2 clock off the EDP--G2's got a Jamman in it too-- Too bad it likes to randomly change the EQ settings (!) Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:35:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C3D3BF42; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,199,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="1988636602:sNHT35301838" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--44349581 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:35:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:35:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--44349581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed 2 EDPs and a Boss DD-20 GigaDelay for the live stuff. Boss SP-303 for the canned loops. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn =93To refute the solipsist or the metaphysical idealist all you have to =20= do is take him out and throw a rock at his head: if he ducks he=92s a =20= liar. His logic may be airtight but his argument, far from revealing =20 the delusions of living experience, only exposes the limitations of =20 logic.=94 -- Edward Abbey, from Desert Solitaire http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:39 AM, markfrancombe.com wrote: > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened = =20 > it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, =20= > so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It =20= > used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of = =20 > my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of =20 > philosophising and politicising... > =A0 > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick =20= > poll > =A0 > Whos using what now? > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) > =A0 > Vortex=A0 split into=A0EDP and Repeater > =A0 > =A0 > your turn... > =A0 > =A0 > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for =20 > www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com= --Apple-Mail-6--44349581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 2 EDPs and a Boss DD-20 GigaDelay for the live stuff.=20 Boss SP-303 for the canned loops. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 807F,0000,0000 =93To refute the solipsist or the metaphysical idealist all you have to do is take him out and throw a rock at his head: if he ducks he=92s a liar. His logic may be airtight but his argument, far from revealing the delusions of living experience, only exposes the limitations of logic.=94 -- Edward Abbey, from Desert = Solitaire9B9A,9B9A,9B9A http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 807F,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:39 AM, markfrancombe.com wrote: Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... =A0 I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll =A0 Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only = please) =A0 Vortex=A0 split into=A0EDP and Repeater =A0 =A0 your turn... =A0 =A0 mark francombe marks website is at 0000,0000,EEEEwww.markfrancombe.com he writes for 0000,0000,EEEEwww.furthernoise.org and works at = 0000,0000,EEEEwww.transformlearning.com= --Apple-Mail-6--44349581-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35A2E3BF1E; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060731103858.0cf3rknfnwe8w440@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:38:58 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Boomerang ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:42:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF14B3BF15; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <002301c6b47f$70213ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <03c201c6b4ac$6714f880$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:42:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C6B4B7.FDB5C200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:42:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C6B4B7.FDB5C200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting question Kris. Obviously this is how most music is recorded. = Even with jazz, studios are booked for a pre-arranged time and you have = to fit that creativity in on demand. Of course painter DO have to complete comissions according to a time = scedule. "'Twas ever thus" as the bard would say. When I wrote music for = a living I had very tight schedules but found that I always found my = muse on time. and when we perform live we have a pre-defined slot in = which to pull the musical rabbit out of the bag. G=20 Does anyone actually go into the studio with the intent of recording = all the songs for a looping CD? This would feel very restrictive and = unnatural to me, like trying to force art into a bottle, or like telling = a painter he has to go into a room and complete a great painting in 6 = hours. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C6B4B7.FDB5C200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Interesting question Kris. Obviously = this is how=20 most music is recorded. Even with jazz, studios are booked for a=20 pre-arranged time and you have to fit that creativity in on=20 demand.
    Of course painter DO have to complete = comissions=20 according to a time scedule. "'Twas ever thus" as the bard would say. = When I=20 wrote music for a living I had very tight schedules but found that I = always=20 found my muse on time. and when we perform live we have a pre-defined = slot in=20 which to pull the musical rabbit out of the bag.
     
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    Does anyone actually go into the = studio with the=20 intent of recording all the songs for a looping CD? This would feel = very=20 restrictive and unnatural to me, like trying to force art into a = bottle, or=20 like telling a painter he has to go into a room and complete a great = painting=20 in 6 hours.
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C6B4B7.FDB5C200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:44:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92A1A3BF39; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--43827502 Message-Id: <5a758c67c08c1e31ebc0b1e56b1385ec@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:43:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <-7WiED.A.bXE.ychzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--43827502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Roland RC50, Lex Vortex, DeltaLab Effectrons. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 31-Jul-06, at 4:39 AM, markfrancombe.com wrote: > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened=20= > it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently,=20= > so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It=20 > used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of=20= > my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of=20 > philosophising and politicising... > =A0 > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick=20= > poll > =A0 > Whos using what now? > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) > =A0 > Vortex=A0 split into=A0EDP and Repeater > =A0 > =A0 > your turn... > =A0 > =A0 > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for=20 > www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com= --Apple-Mail-1--43827502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Roland RC50, Lex Vortex, DeltaLab Effectrons. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 31-Jul-06, at 4:39 AM, markfrancombe.com wrote: ArialDue to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... =A0 ArialI'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick = poll =A0 ArialWhos using what = now? ArialI'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) =A0 ArialVortex=A0 split into=A0EDP and Repeater =A0 =A0 Arialyour = turn... =A0 =A0 Arialmark = francombe Arialmarks website is at 0000,0000,EEEEwww.markfrancombe.com he writes for 0000,0000,EEEEwww.furthernoise.org and works at = 0000,0000,EEEEwww.transformlearning.com= --Apple-Mail-1--43827502-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:46:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAFF13BF46; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Quick Poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:46:39 +0200 Message-ID: <009401c6b4b0$21ad7f20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060731143513.28EAB3BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: Aca0ruN0BAX5jbKvQfG6R9ZDgxc+BAAAPQCw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Line6 DL-4 for jams where I play guitar ... EDP for cut-up radio, and for similar more sophisticated stuff ... sometimes coupled with an ancient Paradis Loopdelay, and a Vortex -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:50:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5FA63BF4B; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060731105035.9nl89h0greboggwg@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:50:35 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> <20060731103858.0cf3rknfnwe8w440@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <20060731103858.0cf3rknfnwe8w440@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Oh, with an occasional splicing up using cool-edit2000. Quoting mike@michaelplishka.com: > Boomerang > > > > ~peace~ > > Plish > > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.myspace.com/michaelplishka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 068893BF51; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6X1KfIMKlwMkq1Tw4zyAcILAdo6wCWGKTgGG+wp1U0JyEkrSjW1Ub+LM0TvrRPaW9nRWG/uuOM6WddKgFcyzvg3KsBKBsenevCs5/e6q/iR8Gg8aMmZbyn+gBwJ8UEZ8hWZ7mBWUzuU4Pejxtl9omZanHYn7BXn9ssmZrLISvF8= ; Message-ID: <20060731145103.64967.qmail@web27702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:51:03 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Quick Poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009401c6b4b0$21ad7f20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1314759649-1154357463=:61518" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:51:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-1314759649-1154357463=:61518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Software : Augustus Loop (occasional forays into SuperLooper) Hardware : 32 second Lexicon JamMan - Tony --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine --0-1314759649-1154357463=:61518 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Software : Augustus Loop (occasional forays into SuperLooper)
    Hardware : 32 second Lexicon JamMan

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    All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine --0-1314759649-1154357463=:61518-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:53:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B90D13BF2D; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <048f01c6b4b1$25237690$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002301c6b47f$70213ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <03c201c6b4ac$6714f880$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:53:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_048C_01C6B47E.D9B00BB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:53:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_048C_01C6B47E.D9B00BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gareth whittock=20 > Even with jazz, studios are booked for a pre-arranged time and you = have to fit that creativity in on demand. With "most" modern jazz that is....you mean that, right? There are = still jazzers who record live in the studio. And of course in the olden = days, this is how all of them did it...when you heard an album, it was = an actual "record" of an event, not a paste together collage of parts. = Several years ago I went to the Linell Hampton Jazz Festival at Mosco, = Idaho, and Phil Elwood, who was a jazz critic for the San Fransciso = Examiner, gave a lecture on this very topic. It was very interesting, = and I believe he really made listeners think differently about what it = is they are listening to when they buy a jazz CD...an actual event? A = pasting of pre-recorded parts? It is intriguing, and also in my opinion = a sad commentary on the state of modern jazz, or music in general. My = preference is to listen to music that is recorded on the spot, either = live or in the studio. > Of course painter DO have to complete comissions according to a time = scedule. "'Twas ever thus" as the bard would say. When I wrote music for = a living I had very tight schedules but found that I always found my = muse on time. and when we perform live we have a pre-defined slot in = which to pull the musical rabbit out of the bag. Well, you admit that some painters don't have to do this, right? You = were generalizing, I suspect...I hope. There are artists out there who = don't actually have to produce art for a living, and have the luxury of = doing what they want and when they want to do it. Kris Does anyone actually go into the studio with the intent of recording = all the songs for a looping CD? This would feel very restrictive and = unnatural to me, like trying to force art into a bottle, or like telling = a painter he has to go into a room and complete a great painting in 6 = hours. ------=_NextPart_000_048C_01C6B47E.D9B00BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    From:=20 gareth = whittock=20
     
     
    > Even with jazz, studios are = booked for=20 a pre-arranged time and you have to fit that creativity in on=20 demand.
     
    With "most" modern jazz that = is....you mean that,=20 right?  There are still jazzers who record live in the studio. = And of=20 course in the olden days, this is how all of them did it...when you = heard an=20 album, it was an actual "record" of an event, not a paste together = collage of=20 parts. Several years ago I went to the Linell Hampton Jazz Festival at = Mosco,=20 Idaho, and Phil Elwood, who was a jazz critic for the San Fransciso = Examiner,=20 gave a lecture on this very topic. It was very interesting, and I = believe he=20 really made listeners think differently about what it is they are = listening to=20 when they buy a jazz CD...an actual event? A pasting of pre-recorded=20 parts?  It is intriguing, and also in my opinion a sad commentary = on the=20 state of modern jazz, or music in general. My preference is to listen = to music=20 that is recorded on the spot, either live or in the = studio.
     
    > Of course painter DO have to = complete=20 comissions according to a time scedule. "'Twas ever thus" as the bard = would=20 say. When I wrote music for a living I had very tight schedules but = found that=20 I always found my muse on time. and when we perform live we have a = pre-defined=20 slot in which to pull the musical rabbit out of the bag.
     
    Well, you admit that some painters = don't have to=20 do this, right?  You were generalizing, I suspect...I hope. There = are=20 artists out there who don't actually have to produce art for a living, = and=20 have the luxury of doing what they want and when they want to do=20 it.
     
    Kris
     
     
    Does anyone actually go into the = studio with=20 the intent of recording all the songs for a looping CD? This would = feel very=20 restrictive and unnatural to me, like trying to force art into a = bottle, or=20 like telling a painter he has to go into a room and complete a great = painting in 6 hours.
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_048C_01C6B47E.D9B00BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 14:55:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F40A93BF3F; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Roberts Subject: Re: Quick Poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:54:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:55:11 +0000 (UTC) a pair of Lexicon JamMans Richard Roberts ZERO OHMS "We are no longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: music." - Karlheinz Stockhausen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:04:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7741B3BF27; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE1BEE.3050800@biink.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:04:14 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick Poll References: <20060731145103.64967.qmail@web27702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060731145103.64967.qmail@web27702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:04:19 +0000 (UTC) A pair of Line6 DL-4 and for concerts, add a RC-20. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:07:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 163C73BF47; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: LD content: quick polls Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:06:57 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <00a201c6b4b2$f7f191a0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca0svdmjDHhuDs8QKasnsNaGDIbaw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Coming back to the recent On/Offtopic etc. LD content discussion, let me add this suggestion: could we do any "quick poll"s etc. using either a) something on a website, either a provided service (I remember someone here using www.surveymonkey.com, which has a free service) or something using php/mysql on your own site? b) if that is for some reason not possible: please ask the people answering to send the results to you via matrix mail and then post a summary to LD? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5921D3BF43; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <016d01c6b4b3$8e3ac640$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <000a01c6b4a5$2a3bbf40$03dfa344@hppav> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:11:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:11:41 +0000 (UTC) > I totally agree that while the process can be interesting ultimately it is > irrelevant to the end result, which needs to be "good music" in and of > it's > own right. of course it is.. Im DEFINATELY releasing my recordings of improvisaions, cos I do nothing else!! Both my "studio" releases AND my live recordings get released. >> I think Tangerine Dream worked like this. They'd record hours of jamming > and >> cut it into shape for an album. >> Anyone here doing this? This is what I do, although I got it from Can and Faust rather than TD (didnt know they did that, but of course its obvious)... I am recording improvisations, HEAVILY editing them roughly in a Wav editor (hacking out the crap) then I put it all back together, working out how one bit needs to get to another bit, crossfadeing sections for many minutes sometimes, or recording extra bits to fit in the gaps, or overdubing in ProTools some extra sounds layers etc... in the end, the result is as worked into and on top of as a regular studio recording of a pop song, but with a slightly differing result. One year later however, when I listen back, I have forgotton that it ever had any work done on top, and often believe it was just one improv... Live recordings we just put out however, as they are from a binaural recording 10 feet infrom of me or who ever Im playing with... m mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: process Vs product From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:12:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53D023BF21; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04c901c6b4b3$c75044f0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00a201c6b4b2$f7f191a0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: LD content: quick polls Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:12:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_tHfDD.A.ljG.w3hzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:12:48 +0000 (UTC) I think survey monkey is correct. You could probably set up that yourself, Rainer. I'd love to participate in a more comprehensive survey. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: LD content: quick polls > Coming back to the recent On/Offtopic etc. LD content discussion, let me > add > this suggestion: > > could we do any "quick poll"s etc. using either > > a) something on a website, either a provided service (I remember someone > here using www.surveymonkey.com, which has a free service) or something > using php/mysql on your own site? > > b) if that is for some reason not possible: please ask the people > answering > to send the results to you via matrix mail and then post a summary to LD? > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:17:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 089143BF64; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:17:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6B4C5.41E56EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:17:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6B4C5.41E56EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Poll thread got me thinking about my own set-up and what I am still = missing...=20 Its a midi looper. Curently I have some analogue sequencers that power = my modular (yes Im a guitarist) and a guitar synth GR30 that has a = pretty nifty arpeg, that I send midi from to a Korg MS2000 and an old = Akai sampler too... So whats this new divice gotta be??? Its gotta be called the Midiplex Digital Pro: Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... I want it to have EXACTLY THE SAME = WAY OF WORKING as an EDP except instead of recording audio it should = record and loop and overdub... midi notes... I want the same insert = caperbilities (altho I can see some problems here) and it should have = some quantise caperbilities, to FORCE your playing onto a "grid" of your = choosing, 16th, 32nds/ or 256ths if you are tight... Anything like that about? Or anyone wanna make one??? Grob? Flint? = Beuler anyone...? mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6B4C5.41E56EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    My Poll thread got me thinking about my = own set-up=20 and what I am still missing...
     
    Its a midi looper. Curently I have some = analogue=20 sequencers that power my modular (yes Im a guitarist) and a guitar synth = GR30=20 that has a pretty nifty arpeg, that I send midi from to a Korg MS2000 = and an old=20 Akai sampler too...
     
    So whats this new divice gotta = be???
     
    Its gotta be called the Midiplex = Digital=20 Pro:
    Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... = I want it=20 to have EXACTLY THE SAME WAY OF WORKING as an EDP except instead of = recording=20 audio it should record and loop and overdub... midi notes... I want = the=20 same insert caperbilities (altho I can see some problems here) and it = should=20 have some quantise caperbilities, to FORCE your playing onto a "grid" of = your=20 choosing, 16th, 32nds/ or 256ths if you are tight...
     
    Anything like that about? Or anyone = wanna make=20 one??? Grob? Flint? Beuler anyone...?
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com
    ------=_NextPart_000_0171_01C6B4C5.41E56EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:20:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A87753BF70; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE1FB8.50500@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:20:24 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> <001001c6b4a0$516cf520$72b85545@Biffoz> In-Reply-To: <001001c6b4a0$516cf520$72b85545@Biffoz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Four-track Yamaha cassette recorder loaded w/endless tapes (waiting in storage; five more four-tracks and a Panasonic Dictaphone...) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:22:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997CF3BF60; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-131264239 Message-Id: <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 08:22:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.88.175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:22:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-131264239 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital > distribution as well. > > All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have > waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my > CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely > discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's > personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I > never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't > own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because > they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the > highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to > CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And, > believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning > and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the > sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It > all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my > physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they > are missing a significant element of the production. > > Kris > --Apple-Mail-3-131264239 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    I agree.=A0 I'd much rather = own a physical CD.=A0 It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that = it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in = the trash.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, = at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    I sure am. I have all of = the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as = well.
    =A0
    =A0
    <= /HTML>= --Apple-Mail-3-131264239-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:24:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95ACF3BF73; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <002301c6b47f$70213ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <03c201c6b4ac$6714f880$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <048f01c6b4b1$25237690$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:23:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6B4BD.B8DD7E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:24:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6B4BD.B8DD7E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: process Vs product ----- Original Message -----=20 From: gareth whittock=20 > Even with jazz, studios are booked for a pre-arranged time and you = have to fit that creativity in on demand. With "most" modern jazz that is....you mean that, right? There are = still jazzers who record live in the studio. And of course in the olden = days, this is how all of them did it...when you heard an album, it was = an actual "record" of an event, not a paste together collage of parts.=20 No. I mean even in the olden days they had to fit that creativity in = on demand. > Of course painter DO have to complete comissions according to a = time scedule. "'Twas ever thus" as the bard would say. When I wrote = music for a living I had very tight schedules but found that I always = found my muse on time. and when we perform live we have a pre-defined = slot in which to pull the musical rabbit out of the bag. Well, you admit that some painters don't have to do this, right? = You were generalizing, I suspect...I hope. There are artists out there = who don't actually have to produce art for a living, and have the luxury = of doing what they want and when they want to do it. Yes. I was talking about the majority of professional painters who = do not earn massive amounts of money per comission. Gareth Does anyone actually go into the studio with the intent of = recording all the songs for a looping CD? This would feel very = restrictive and unnatural to me, like trying to force art into a bottle, = or like telling a painter he has to go into a room and complete a great = painting in 6 hours. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6B4BD.B8DD7E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 3:53 PM
    Subject: Re: process Vs = product

    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 gareth = whittock=20
     
     
    > Even with jazz, studios = are booked=20 for a pre-arranged time and you have to fit that creativity in = on=20 demand.
     
    With "most" modern jazz that = is....you mean=20 that, right?  There are still jazzers who record live in the = studio.=20 And of course in the olden days, this is how all of them did = it...when you=20 heard an album, it was an actual "record" of an event, not a paste = together=20 collage of parts.
     
    No. I mean even in the olden days = they had to=20 fit that creativity in on demand.
     
     
    > Of course painter DO have to = complete=20 comissions according to a time scedule. "'Twas ever thus" as the = bard would=20 say. When I wrote music for a living I had very tight schedules but = found=20 that I always found my muse on time. and when we perform live we = have a=20 pre-defined slot in which to pull the musical rabbit out of the=20 bag.
     
    Well, you admit that some painters = don't have=20 to do this, right?  You were generalizing, I suspect...I hope. = There=20 are artists out there who don't actually have to produce art for a = living,=20 and have the luxury of doing what they want and when they want to do = it.
     
    Yes. I was talking about the = majority of=20 professional painters who do not earn massive amounts of money per=20 comission.
     
    Gareth
     
     
     
    Does anyone actually go into the = studio with=20 the intent of recording all the songs for a looping CD? This would = feel=20 very restrictive and unnatural to me, like trying to force art = into a=20 bottle, or like telling a painter he has to go into a room and = complete a=20 great painting in 6 hours.
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C6B4BD.B8DD7E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12783BF66; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04e601c6b4b5$b9449e40$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <03de01c6b4ac$e7d15c70$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <016b01c6b4b3$84e825b0$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Kris's point about the Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:26:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04E3_01C6B483.6DD13360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:26:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04E3_01C6B483.6DD13360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I'll jump on the band wagon until an officical survey comes = out.... Guitar -> Laptop (with Indigo IO cardbus sound card) -> Xlutop = Chainer VST Host -> Tons of VST effects, Reaktor 5, and Mobius, all = running as VSTs -> Out of Indigo to PA Ahhh....so simple. I won't even mention my rack (two VF1's, Fireworx = ,and Looperlative) sitting here which I hope will be sold in a few weeks = =20 Kris ----- Original=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: markfrancombe.com=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Quick poll Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has = widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects = recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots = technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP = list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a = bit of philosophising and politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a = quick poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_04E3_01C6B483.6DD13360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Okay, I'll jump on the band wagon until = an=20 officical survey comes out....
     
    Guitar  ->  Laptop (with = Indigo IO=20 cardbus sound card)  ->  Xlutop Chainer VST = Host  =20 ->  Tons of VST effects, Reaktor 5, and Mobius, all running as=20 VSTs  -> Out of Indigo to PA
     
    Ahhh....so simple. I won't even mention = my rack=20 (two VF1's, Fireworx ,and Looperlative) sitting here which I hope = will be=20 sold in a few weeks 
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 markfrancombe.com =
    To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 5:39=20 AM
    Subject: Quick poll

    Due to the phenomenal jump in = available=20 loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss = loads of=20 different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of = some of you=20 lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately = an EDP=20 list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, = and a bit=20 of philosophising and politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated = by this=20 list.. but lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll = start...=20 (looping products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP = and=20 Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website = is at www.markfrancombe.com he = writes=20 for www.furthernoise.org and=20 works at www.transformlearning.com
    ------=_NextPart_000_04E3_01C6B483.6DD13360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:29:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE0A53BF40; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HtLy3fkTm+JheeEbmakMSahpbpAV3cE4z+9q4yHoNX8LKmYemG3ZwajRcbjcWKJxEIXQSTIvkvonU4xI49YocCl5g0lovatMDRXGYpFSV+WfUurywRFXNX22P3qNUZRKzmcNMvtGFxtVEDHoffsihy5uKy1P3qrAYIiIidyBjog= In-Reply-To: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BA4E93D-8058-4BBD-AFEC-84E5C09D97CC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:29:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:29:46 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jul 2006, at 17.17, markfrancombe.com wrote: > Its gotta be called the Midiplex Digital Pro: > Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... I want it to have EXACTLY THE > SAME WAY OF WORKING as an EDP except instead of recording audio it > should record and loop and overdub... midi notes... I want the same > insert caperbilities (altho I can see some problems here) and it > should have some quantise caperbilities, to FORCE your playing onto > a "grid" of your choosing, 16th, 32nds/ or 256ths if you are tight... > > Anything like that about? Or anyone wanna make one??? Grob? Flint? > Beuler anyone...? Some MIDI sequencing applications can already do some of that stuff - Max, Logic, Live. You just have to write a proper environment for it and set up MIDI bindings for your preferred control devices. I guess Max would be the only tool that will let you make an exact MIDI replication of the EDP's audio looping functionality. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:33:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2520D3BF4F; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04f701c6b4b6$a40a16d0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:33:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04F4_01C6B484.5891F100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:33:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04F4_01C6B484.5891F100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, this whole thing just makes me really sad. Remember the vinal = days? Wow, there was some amazing artwork on albums from the 60's and = 70's. CD sleaves are smaller, of course, but at least you can fold them = out. I feel that you are right....MP3s are a dime a dozen now (not = literaly). People go to websites, browse through them, and mass = download. Heck, you don't even need to know who the artist is anymore to = do this. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew F. McCabe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s = cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files = than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital = distribution as well. All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled = back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell = them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough = call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the = matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a = situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply = because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on = their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my = CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation = who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, = the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they = are missing a significant element of the production. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_04F4_01C6B484.5891F100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Yeah, this whole thing just makes me = really sad.=20 Remember the vinal days? Wow, there was some amazing artwork on albums = from the=20 60's and 70's.  CD sleaves are smaller, of course, but at least you = can=20 fold them out.  I feel that you are right....MP3s are a dime a = dozen now=20 (not literaly). People go to websites, browse through them, and mass = download.=20 Heck, you don't even need to know who the artist is anymore to do=20 this.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Matthew=20 F. McCabe
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, August 02, = 2006 9:22=20 AM
    Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked = down to=20 $5.00

    I agree.  I'd much rather own a physical CD.  It's = almost as if=20 mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of = files than=20 it is to throw a CD in the trash.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
    I sure am. I have all = of the CDs=20 going through all of the digital distribution as = well.
     
    All in all, I don't = really do=20 this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion = of=20 whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market = price, or=20 severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on = one's=20 personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I = never want=20 to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of = my CDs=20 simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many = other CDs=20 on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority.  I'd = rather give=20 my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music.  And, believe it or not, I am of the = generation=20 who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a = CD, the=20 artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the=20 music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my=20 physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't = they are=20 missing a significant element of the production.
     
    Kris
    ------=_NextPart_000_04F4_01C6B484.5891F100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:39:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4833BF77; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <04f701c6b4b6$a40a16d0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:37:55 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 07/31/2006 11:40:26 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:39:34 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>>>MP3s are a dime a dozen now (not literaly). People go to websites, browse through them, and mass download. Heck, you don't even need to know who the artist is anymore to do this. And this is the best thing to happen to music ever, IMO. I can consume/make myself aware of so much more music than ever possible before. It also allows music like looping to be widely distributed & easily available to anyone who can type the word 'Looper' into a search engine. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75E8B3BF7B; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE2504.1040802@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:43:00 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 (OT) References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> In-Reply-To: <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070409000907050802010600" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0631-0, 07/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:43:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070409000907050802010600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the flip side, having music available digitally creates a whole new world of possibilities. A few years ago, I had a gigantic CD binder containing almost my entire music collection stolen out of my car. Thousands of dollars in recorded music--much of it irreplaceable--gone. Now I just carry around my entire music collection in one small iPod in my pocket because it's small enough that I don't have to leave it in the car. It still plays in my car as well as at my house, at my desk at work, and in my headphones when I'm out and about. And should it get stolen or broken, all my music also lives on my PC, which is in turn backed up periodically, and can be restored. Of course, I still love to purchase physical CDs. Now, though, I just rip them into iTunes and store the CDs in a closet. Quite often, however, I do purchase digital albums. They're generally slightly cheaper, and the Internet provides almost instant gratification and the cost of gasoline required to drive to the music store. As an artist, having a CD available as a download makes your music available to the entire world (or as much of it as you can market to) without having to work a major distribution deal. My next album will definitely be available both ways. --Josh Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s > cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files > than it is to throw a CD in the trash. > > Matt > > > On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital >> distribution as well. >> >> All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled >> back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, >> sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a >> tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the >> matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a >> situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply >> because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs >> on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather >> give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have >> folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the >> generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I >> produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of >> the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I >> like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and >> digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of >> the production. >> >> Kris >> --------------070409000907050802010600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the flip side, having music available digitally creates a whole new world of possibilities.  A few years ago, I had a gigantic CD binder containing almost my entire music collection stolen out of my car.  Thousands of dollars in recorded music--much of it irreplaceable--gone.  Now I just carry around my entire music collection in one small iPod in my pocket because it's small enough that I don't have to leave it in the car.  It still plays in my car as well as at my house, at my desk at work, and in my headphones when I'm out and about.  And should it get stolen or broken, all my music also lives on my PC, which is in turn backed up periodically, and can be restored.

    Of course, I still love to purchase physical CDs.  Now, though, I just rip them into iTunes and store the CDs in a closet.  Quite often, however, I do purchase digital albums.  They're generally slightly cheaper, and the Internet provides almost instant gratification and the cost of gasoline required to drive to the music store.

    As an artist, having a CD available as a download makes your music available to the entire world (or as much of it as you can market to) without having to work a major distribution deal.  My next album will definitely be available both ways.

    --Josh



    Matthew F. McCabe wrote:
    I agree.  I'd much rather own a physical CD.  It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as well.
     
    All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority.  I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music.  And, believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of the production.
     
    Kris

    --------------070409000907050802010600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64F153BF45; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE26D2.60006@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:50:42 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 (OT) References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <44CE2504.1040802@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <44CE2504.1040802@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020504050700030401010100" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0631-0, 07/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020504050700030401010100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that album art, lyrics, etc. can be included in the download, and the digital medium opens up additional possibilities for video (to help more performance-based musicians distribute the experience), animation, web links, interactive applications, etc. A creative artist could create more of a connection with his/her listeners than was ever possible before. --Josh Joshua Carroll wrote: > On the flip side, having music available digitally creates a whole new > world of possibilities. A few years ago, I had a gigantic CD binder > containing almost my entire music collection stolen out of my car. > Thousands of dollars in recorded music--much of it > irreplaceable--gone. Now I just carry around my entire music > collection in one small iPod in my pocket because it's small enough > that I don't have to leave it in the car. It still plays in my car as > well as at my house, at my desk at work, and in my headphones when I'm > out and about. And should it get stolen or broken, all my music also > lives on my PC, which is in turn backed up periodically, and can be > restored. > > Of course, I still love to purchase physical CDs. Now, though, I just > rip them into iTunes and store the CDs in a closet. Quite often, > however, I do purchase digital albums. They're generally slightly > cheaper, and the Internet provides almost instant gratification and > the cost of gasoline required to drive to the music store. > > As an artist, having a CD available as a download makes your music > available to the entire world (or as much of it as you can market to) > without having to work a major distribution deal. My next album will > definitely be available both ways. > > --Josh > > > > Matthew F. McCabe wrote: >> I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s >> cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files >> than it is to throw a CD in the trash. >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital >>> distribution as well. >>> >>> All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled >>> back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, >>> sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a >>> tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the >>> matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a >>> situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply >>> because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other >>> CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd >>> rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then >>> not have folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am >>> of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. >>> When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a >>> part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a >>> theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the >>> MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant >>> element of the production. >>> >>> Kris >>> --------------020504050700030401010100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that album art, lyrics, etc. can be included in the download, and the digital medium opens up additional possibilities for video (to help more performance-based musicians distribute the experience), animation, web links, interactive applications, etc.  A creative artist could create more of a connection with his/her listeners than was ever possible before.

    --Josh


    Joshua Carroll wrote:
    On the flip side, having music available digitally creates a whole new world of possibilities.  A few years ago, I had a gigantic CD binder containing almost my entire music collection stolen out of my car.  Thousands of dollars in recorded music--much of it irreplaceable--gone.  Now I just carry around my entire music collection in one small iPod in my pocket because it's small enough that I don't have to leave it in the car.  It still plays in my car as well as at my house, at my desk at work, and in my headphones when I'm out and about.  And should it get stolen or broken, all my music also lives on my PC, which is in turn backed up periodically, and can be restored.

    Of course, I still love to purchase physical CDs.  Now, though, I just rip them into iTunes and store the CDs in a closet.  Quite often, however, I do purchase digital albums.  They're generally slightly cheaper, and the Internet provides almost instant gratification and the cost of gasoline required to drive to the music store.

    As an artist, having a CD available as a download makes your music available to the entire world (or as much of it as you can market to) without having to work a major distribution deal.  My next album will definitely be available both ways.

    --Josh



    Matthew F. McCabe wrote:
    I agree.  I'd much rather own a physical CD.  It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as well.
     
    All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority.  I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music.  And, believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of the production.
     
    Kris

    --------------020504050700030401010100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:51:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 656CD3BF55; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1154361066.44ce26ea782f8@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:51:06 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> <4BA4E93D-8058-4BBD-AFEC-84E5C09D97CC@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4BA4E93D-8058-4BBD-AFEC-84E5C09D97CC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 24.7.114.95 Resent-Message-ID: <63S73B.A.aEB.RcizEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:51:45 +0000 (UTC) MIDI looping can't be exactly like audio looping, because looping midi is about looping events, which trigger a synth, and if you repeat a note in your loop, it causes the synth to replay the note, which stops the current playing of the note.. unlike audio looping, which would lay the new note on top of the current playing note... I bring this up because I have a MIDI looper project of my own, which has caused me to have had to consider this problem... now, there could be some creative solutions, but each of those brings in it's own set of issues.. one solution could be spreading iterations of the loop across different midi channels.. but, even after solving the 'same note' issue, you will also have to consider the polyphony issue, ie. how many notes can the synth play at a time... anyways, not to say midi looping isn't viable, but I don't think it will ever be the same a audio looping.. and in that regard, there are some great things you can do with midi looping that you can't do with audio.. which is the motivation for my project.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Per Boysen : > On 31 jul 2006, at 17.17, markfrancombe.com wrote: > > > Its gotta be called the Midiplex Digital Pro: > > Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... I want it to have EXACTLY THE > > SAME WAY OF WORKING as an EDP except instead of recording audio it > > should record and loop and overdub... midi notes... I want the same > > insert caperbilities (altho I can see some problems here) and it > > should have some quantise caperbilities, to FORCE your playing onto > > a "grid" of your choosing, 16th, 32nds/ or 256ths if you are tight... > > > > Anything like that about? Or anyone wanna make one??? Grob? Flint? > > Beuler anyone...? > > > Some MIDI sequencing applications can already do some of that stuff - > Max, Logic, Live. You just have to write a proper environment for it > and set up MIDI bindings for your preferred control devices. I guess > Max would be the only tool that will let you make an exact MIDI > replication of the EDP's audio looping functionality. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:58:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E2743BF58; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:58:39 +0200 Message-ID: <014b01c6b4ba$33941fa0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <1154361066.44ce26ea782f8@webmail.musetrap.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:58:52 +0000 (UTC) http://nosuch.com/tjt/hoops/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:58:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA5DE3BF61; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <050101c6b4ba$3980b1d0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002301c6b47f$70213ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <03c201c6b4ac$6714f880$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <048f01c6b4b1$25237690$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:58:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:58:56 +0000 (UTC) >> With "most" modern jazz that is....you mean that, right? There are still >> jazzers who record live in the studio. And of course in the olden days, >> this is how all of them did it...when you heard an album, it was an >> actual "record" of an event, not a paste together collage of parts. > No. I mean even in the olden days they had to fit that creativity in on > demand. I'll buy that....this just got me thinking....whether you are going into the studio to record a live album, or going to a gig with 1 day in adavance, it all seems like creativity on demand. In fact, going to a gig as a free improviser seems just as demanding and on demand as going into the studio. In either case, I demand the same standard of quality for my playing. In that light, playing live and producing a quality of work that is tantamount to that of the studio seems to raise the bar even more. You don't get to stop and start over again. This is why I admire live recordings so much....you get to hear the raw talent of the artist(s). All the craft in the studio with cutting and pasting, aligning vocal tracks to they start at the same time, end at the same time, pitch correction, punching in and out....it is all amusing to me, but doesn't impress me from an artistic standpoint. That seems like more of a craft to me. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 15:59:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E023BF75; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE28E1.300@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:59:29 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] Big tape loop/Jibbolii fest Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000404060304040306030705" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:59:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000404060304040306030705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I stumbled onto this page while doing a search for tape loops, and found these cool pictures...a whole bunch of people doing things to a massive, room-spanning physical 1/4" loop, at a festival at a place called *Fylkingen*, in Sweden in 2003. http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco12/fylkingenevents/loop.html What I found also interesting was this set of pictures from a festival called Jibbolii, at the same place...lots of new music performance. A few known names among them (KK Null, DJ Female Trouble, Mats Gustafsson)...I found it heartwarming, all these obviously enthusiastic people doing some crazy stuff. And definitely some great examples of people bringing a very visual element to performance. http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco15/jibbolii/dag1/dag1a.html Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --------------000404060304040306030705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I stumbled onto this page while doing a search for tape loops, and found these cool pictures...a whole bunch of people doing things to a massive, room-spanning physical 1/4" loop, at a festival at a place called Fylkingen, in Sweden in 2003.

    http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco12/fylkingenevents/loop.html

    What I found also interesting was this set of pictures from a festival called Jibbolii, at the same place...lots of new music performance. A few known names among them (KK Null, DJ Female Trouble, Mats Gustafsson)...I found it heartwarming, all these obviously enthusiastic people doing some crazy stuff. And definitely some great examples of people bringing a very visual element to performance.

    http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco15/jibbolii/dag1/dag1a.html

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    --------------000404060304040306030705-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 16:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AFD53BF41; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <051001c6b4ba$b93ae800$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:02:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Well, unfortunately, that is true. I think we have a double-edged sword here, depending on whose shoes you are standing in. I am compelled to agree that I like being able to browse music and pick only what I want. Though I realize that this sort of commoditize music and dehumanizes the career of a musician, when at one point in the time the "watering hole" or meeting place of music enthusiasts was down at the local record store, not iTunes. Where are we heading anyway? Is human contact even important anymore? There are pros and cons to almost everything. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 >>>>>>>>MP3s are a dime a dozen now (not literaly). People go to websites, > browse through them, and mass download. Heck, you don't even need to know > who the artist is anymore to do this. > > > And this is the best thing to happen to music ever, IMO. I can > consume/make > myself aware of so much more music than ever possible before. It also > allows music like looping to be widely distributed & easily available to > anyone who can type the word 'Looper' into a search engine. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 16:22:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C18B3BF53; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:17:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1057759573==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:22:04 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1057759573==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or was it alesis??) >My Poll thread got me thinking about my own set-up and what I am >still missing... > >Its a midi looper. Curently I have some analogue sequencers that >power my modular (yes Im a guitarist) and a guitar synth GR30 that >has a pretty nifty arpeg, that I send midi from to a Korg MS2000 and >an old Akai sampler too... > >So whats this new divice gotta be??? > >Its gotta be called the Midiplex Digital Pro: >Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... I want it to have EXACTLY THE >SAME WAY OF WORKING as an EDP except instead of recording audio it >should record and loop and overdub... midi notes... I want the same >insert caperbilities (altho I can see some problems here) and it >should have some quantise caperbilities, to FORCE your playing onto >a "grid" of your choosing, 16th, 32nds/ or 256ths if you are tight... > >Anything like that about? Or anyone wanna make one??? Grob? Flint? >Beuler anyone...? > >mark francombe >marks website is at >www.markfrancombe.com he writes for >www.furthernoise.org and works at >www.transformlearning.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1057759573==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one?

    Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or was it alesis??)

    My Poll thread got me thinking about my own set-up and what I am still missing...
     
    Its a midi looper. Curently I have some analogue sequencers that power my modular (yes Im a guitarist) and a guitar synth GR30 that has a pretty nifty arpeg, that I send midi from to a Korg MS2000 and an old Akai sampler too...
     
    So whats this new divice gotta be???
     
    Its gotta be called the Midiplex Digital Pro:
    Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... I want it to have EXACTLY THE SAME WAY OF WORKING as an EDP except instead of recording audio it should record and loop and overdub... midi notes... I want the same insert caperbilities (altho I can see some problems here) and it should have some quantise caperbilities, to FORCE your playing onto a "grid" of your choosing, 16th, 32nds/ or 256ths if you are tight...
     
    Anything like that about? Or anyone wanna make one??? Grob? Flint? Beuler anyone...?
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at     www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com


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    ...
    http://www.zmix.net
    --============_-1057759573==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 16:48:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 412A63BF51; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:49:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C6B49F.B3E18960" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <03de01c6b4ac$e7d15c70$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:48:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C6B49F.B3E18960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Repeater & Live dm www.music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor ============ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/402 - Release Date: 7/27/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C6B49F.B3E18960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Repeater & Live
     

    dm

    www.music.download.com/danmontgomery
    www.myspace.com/precentor

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     ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C6B49F.B3E18960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 16:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485CD3BF45; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:49 +0000 Message-Id: <073120061655.13040.44CE36150005B9AB000032F02206424413CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13040_1154364949_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13040_1154364949_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RC-20 into a DD-20 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "markfrancombe.com" > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath > of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I > havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was > predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper > convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... > > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll > > Whos using what now? > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) > > Vortex split into EDP and Repeater > > > your turn... > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and > works at www.transformlearning.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13040_1154364949_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:39:43 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13040_1154364949_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13040_1154364949_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Due to the phenomenal jump in available = loopers,=20 this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different = subjects=20 recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots = technology... It=20 used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of = my=20 loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and = politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by this = list.. but=20 lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll = start... (looping=20 products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and=20 Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13040_1154364949_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13040_1154364949_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:02:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6BE63BF5F; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=doFMgDLbg0CG95R+AaLXWVWtKpO3mgK1BN+tylukQfWG+/p+th1fuOaXAQdU/SpIsjWv+VKknxqmk/Wayt0r36yU8J9zmm9GEiPQ4SBG8pJkZKxrNr3KN5LEb1nZydz7Agx1TKQvJjxnMQdG6oQ6b/T+JM9n2L/cWAt+meaqpaI= In-Reply-To: <050101c6b4ba$3980b1d0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002301c6b47f$70213ab0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <03c201c6b4ac$6714f880$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <048f01c6b4b1$25237690$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <050101c6b4ba$3980b1d0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <169756FC-ACF2-4F26-A062-B1BE6B414127@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: process Vs product Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:02:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:02:39 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jul 2006, at 17.58, Krispen Hartung wrote: > All the craft in the studio with cutting and pasting, aligning > vocal tracks to they start at the same time, end at the same time, > pitch correction, punching in and out....it is all amusing to me, > but doesn't impress me from an artistic standpoint. That seems like > more of a craft to me. I doubt any audio/music refinement studio technique are used for impressing listeners ;-), but I must say I enjoy the resulting music as much as I enjoy the "hands-on jazz player" craft. I regard modern studio music production as an art form in its own right (to me it kind of equals "tweaking effect boxes"). I like to produce with those tools myself, but I wouldn't confuse it with the improvisational performance of music. In my book these two crafts are complementary and although they bleed over a bit both methods will let the musician (yes, I regard the studio as an instrument as well) do tricks that would not be possible with the other context. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:05:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FD453BF67; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <44CE28E1.300@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: [OT] Big tape loop/Jibbolii fest- OT - I'm not sure Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:05:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C6B4CB.E99625D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:05:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C6B4CB.E99625D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hehe. Some CRAZY looking piccies here. I found myself inventing absurd = subtitles for them and laughing out loud. Thanks for the link! I loved this quote :- "The room was filled with magic, and after I had to hit the road for = Shitville by bus" Gareth=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [OT] Big tape loop/Jibbolii fest I stumbled onto this page while doing a search for tape loops, and = found these cool pictures...a whole bunch of people doing things to a = massive, room-spanning physical 1/4" loop, at a festival at a place = called Fylkingen, in Sweden in 2003. http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco12/fylkingenevents/loop.html What I found also interesting was this set of pictures from a festival = called Jibbolii, at the same place...lots of new music performance. A = few known names among them (KK Null, DJ Female Trouble, Mats = Gustafsson)...I found it heartwarming, all these obviously enthusiastic = people doing some crazy stuff. And definitely some great examples of = people bringing a very visual element to performance. http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco15/jibbolii/dag1/dag1a.html Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C6B4CB.E99625D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hehe. Some CRAZY looking piccies here. = I found=20 myself inventing absurd subtitles for them and laughing out = loud.
    Thanks for the link!
     
    I loved this quote :-
    "The room was filled with magic, and after I had to hit the = road for=20 Shitville by bus"
     
    Gareth
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 4:59 PM
    Subject: [OT] Big tape = loop/Jibbolii=20 fest

    I stumbled onto this page while doing a search for tape = loops,=20 and found these cool pictures...a whole bunch of people doing things = to a=20 massive, room-spanning physical 1/4" loop, at a festival at a place = called=20 Fylkingen,=20     in Sweden in 2003.

    http= ://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco12/fylkingenevents/loop.html

    What=20 I found also interesting was this set of pictures from a festival = called=20 Jibbolii, at the same place...lots of new music performance. A few = known names=20 among them (KK Null, DJ Female Trouble, Mats Gustafsson)...I found it=20 heartwarming, all these obviously enthusiastic people doing some crazy = stuff.=20 And definitely some great examples of people bringing a very visual = element to=20 performance.

    http:= //home.swipnet.se/sonoloco15/jibbolii/dag1/dag1a.html

    Daryl=20 Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C6B4CB.E99625D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:08:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C703A3BEF8; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AVwPAN3UzUSBUoh+AQEBARs Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060731180124.01b80760@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:07:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Quick poll In-Reply-To: <20060731132122.0AB243BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060731132122.0AB243BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5_OUb.A.WoB.0jjzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:08:04 +0000 (UTC) >I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll > >Whos using what now? Hofner SG Copy (onboard fuzz) ADA-MP1 (valve,pre-amp) Vortex 2xEDP stereo pair (sometimes split) ...and some little rack mixer or something if needed. I find it really hard to add anything into that setup, even though I have things here to try, adding a JamMan was nice sometimes, but just not flexible enough. Maybe a Boss OC2 will end up in the fx loop of the MP1 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:08:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 219DA3BF22; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HT3+7xGQ/ugCJIgm+fXXgHG3S8ye7vQdNFcxnSg1bUuGF8BdZbALa6Cs6G0kM3ETUkvWDXXCE5wNUqt94Mc34dJcYIhTOeiCuYVC5K67fB5iBY8nbRNohfTvcGeiavGtP+HZSatJ4x8Fb0xqouMzJ/t/7uUoqDoWvmEd6cUTB1U= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44CE28E1.300@mhorse.com> References: <44CE28E1.300@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: [OT] Big tape loop/Jibbolii fest Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:08:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9uLTdB.A.tyB.hkjzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jul 2006, at 17.59, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I stumbled onto this page while doing a search for tape loops, and > found these cool pictures...a whole bunch of people doing things to > a massive, room-spanning physical 1/4" loop, at a festival at a > place called Fylkingen, in Sweden in 2003. > > http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco12/fylkingenevents/loop.html > > What I found also interesting was this set of pictures from a > festival called Jibbolii, at the same place...lots of new music > performance. A few known names among them (KK Null, DJ Female > Trouble, Mats Gustafsson)...I found it heartwarming, all these > obviously enthusiastic people doing some crazy stuff. And > definitely some great examples of people bringing a very visual > element to performance. > > http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco15/jibbolii/dag1/dag1a.html > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com Cool! That's from the country I live in ;-) I've played at that venue and yesterday and the day before I actually met some of those guys when I played at a Swedish festival for experimental electronic music. The association "Fylkingen" was launched back in the thirties. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:10:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CF563BF47; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dN8uTLWFp2iq3CtwYS8ZA4nIG2Cwg06OwqZOxj8vucXJX9eV4bLVNX4T8xnfeKvHqfgT2lzbsxNRcHPsdVcicZqI3NJK7dZS4qylhINDACHSy74dQzwUjAdyTqRwi9y2wfEzur+I3GbzLo+rB2/jkkn8aWrw8OmO2dDW6U0KPVE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <03B2BF54-249A-4DCD-B18D-E7232DC88099@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:10:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:10:59 +0000 (UTC) On 31 jul 2006, at 18.17, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or > was it alesis??) Twelve years ago I was using a MIDI arpeggiator box from Oberheim named "Cyclone" (with a MIDI guitar). Maybe that's the device you're thinking of? Cool thing, but probably hard to find today. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:13:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AA313BF6F; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001001c6b4a0$516cf520$72b85545@Biffoz> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> <001001c6b4a0$516cf520$72b85545@Biffoz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: JoJo Razor Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:13:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) 2 jammans > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened > it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, > so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It > used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of > my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of > philosophising and politicising... > > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick > poll > > Whos using what now? > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) > > Vortex split into EDP and Repeater > > > your turn... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:15:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46C713BF76; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:15:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Quick poll Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Message-Id: <391BB050-20B8-11DB-B4A3-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.285 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:15:57 +0000 (UTC) My looping possibilities have just hit a 10 year low. I sold my Jamman to someone on the list about a year ago, my DL-4 died at the Oregon Country Fair (couldn't stand the hemp, I guess :-), and I just sold my Repeater last week. My new laptop remains an email and websurfing machine because I've been too busy with life and gigs and such to configure it as the ass-kicking loop and music machine it could be. So, at the moment, my looping setup is a Boomerang, and a RE-301 Space Echo. But I did have a very enjoyable evening recently running the Minimoog through a Vortex and into the RE-301, instant space music! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:29:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B42453BF51; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:29:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8C882DE013B2286-3E4-A284@MBLK-M26.sysops.aol.com> From: enat21213@aol.com References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <04f701c6b4b6$a40a16d0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <04f701c6b4b6$a40a16d0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 19014 Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C882DE0138C02A_3E4_AB6B_MBLK-M26.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.70 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_GdwPD.A.6aD.93jzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:29:33 +0000 (UTC) ----------MailBlocks_8C882DE0138C02A_3E4_AB6B_MBLK-M26.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds environmentally sound too me! brian nomorestarsrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew F. McCabe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as well. All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of the production. Kris ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ----------MailBlocks_8C882DE0138C02A_3E4_AB6B_MBLK-M26.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
     sounds environmentally sound too me!

    brian

    nomorestarsrecords.com

     
     

     ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:22 AM
    Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00

    I agree.  I'd much rather own a physical CD.  It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as well.
     
    All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority.  I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music.  And, believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of the production.
     
    Kris

    Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
    ----------MailBlocks_8C882DE0138C02A_3E4_AB6B_MBLK-M26.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:30:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F191D3BF5A; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cx4Ah3QFGuxp4lzgD2nWWVcbUby398y7005D2KxBEMQC5rr76nXrMZ8Es3YYkUo/fA6yanBuyXGiar8ft/ZU90g3WaSbN9iHtzZry0rBG4XBUZaJhk5WmPDlmRNTK0WP2eCQyf7iFRnV2u9j/QVs6zms8EG/o4rAUGwKobb7JVU= Message-ID: <913728d60607311030g13e4d5cbke5d3fa28a3af8693@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:30:37 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Quick poll In-Reply-To: <391BB050-20B8-11DB-B4A3-000A95A5D158@peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> <391BB050-20B8-11DB-B4A3-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:30:38 +0000 (UTC) i'm using two now, lexicon jamman and two MoFXs in various routings soon i will have the backine engineering Riff Box Charlie On 7/31/06, improv@peak.org wrote: > My looping possibilities have just hit a 10 year low. I sold my Jamman > to someone on the list about a year ago, my DL-4 died at the Oregon > Country Fair (couldn't stand the hemp, I guess :-), and I just sold my > Repeater last week. My new laptop remains an email and websurfing > machine because I've been too busy with life and gigs and such to > configure it as the ass-kicking loop and music machine it could be. So, > at the moment, my looping setup is a Boomerang, and a RE-301 Space > Echo. But I did have a very enjoyable evening recently running the > Minimoog through a Vortex and into the RE-301, instant space music! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:31:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 520353BF54; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AVwPAKvZzUSBUoh+AQEBARs Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060731182554.01b7fdc8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:31:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? In-Reply-To: <20060731153318.7BEDA3BF7A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060731153318.7BEDA3BF7A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:31:49 +0000 (UTC) >Its gotta be called the Midiplex Digital Pro: >Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... I want it to have EXACTLY THE >SAME WAY OF WORKING as an EDP The big problem is that every Note-On needs a corresponding Note-Off. Endless difficulties:- Inserting into a long sustained note. Reducing length of loop. Reversing. ...just think about it :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 17:41:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E39D93BEF1; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <68939134.1154367681475.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:41:21 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Big tape loop/Jibbolii fest Cc: Per Boysen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, I have an old Akai 1/4 inch reel-to-reel machine out in my garage somewhere= .=20 I haven't used it in 10 years but I am sure it still works. Anyone wanna or= ganize=20 a party like this stateside? That was sooooo cool. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn 23 KM SOUTH-EAST OF THE OREGON VORTEX. http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Per Boysen wrote:=20 > On 31 jul 2006, at 17.59, Daryl Shawn wrote: >=20 > > I stumbled onto this page while doing a search for tape loops, and =20 > > found these cool pictures...a whole bunch of people doing things to =20 > > a massive, room-spanning physical 1/4" loop, at a festival at a =20 > > place called Fylkingen, in Sweden in 2003. > > > > http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco12/fylkingenevents/loop.html > > > > What I found also interesting was this set of pictures from a =20 > > festival called Jibbolii, at the same place...lots of new music =20 > > performance. A few known names among them (KK Null, DJ Female =20 > > Trouble, Mats Gustafsson)...I found it heartwarming, all these =20 > > obviously enthusiastic people doing some crazy stuff. And =20 > > definitely some great examples of people bringing a very visual =20 > > element to performance. > > > > http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco15/jibbolii/dag1/dag1a.html > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com >=20 >=20 > Cool! That's from the country I live in ;-) I've played at that =20 > venue and yesterday and the day before I actually met some of those =20 > guys when I played at a Swedish festival for experimental electronic =20 > music. The association "Fylkingen" was launched back in the thirties. >=20 > per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 18:12:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23DF93BF29; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <913728d60607311030g13e4d5cbke5d3fa28a3af8693@mail.gmail.com> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> <391BB050-20B8-11DB-B4A3-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <913728d60607311030g13e4d5cbke5d3fa28a3af8693@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:12:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Laptop and MAX/MSP Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 18:20:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152BD3BF18; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <036501c6b4cd$f0e82980$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Fw: LD content: quick polls Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:20:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:20:10 +0000 (UTC) God ...you guys... Im not so anal and geeky that I always wanna do it the proper way, I was genuinely interested in a chat... I like LD cos its all in here, I dont want links to image pages, hell I dont want images, I dont want gig pics, I dont want external polls... lets just leave this what is relevant to have or not to have off this list PLEASE.. It occurs once a year on EVERY list Im a member of.. its soooooo dull... Now a summary of people so far... Well I wrote one, I know it got out there (Cos Kris replyed on that subject line) however it didnt seem to get into the digest.. so here it is again... AHA.. Now I see what I did.. I REPLIED to Kris (when I meant to reply to the list) , and HE replyed to the list with MY subject line.. ha ha what a mess.. love it.. --- To summerise, I would say that there seems to be 2 main camps with some crossovers.. 1)Its the EDP/Jamman people - and these seem to be more likely to use "other" looping gadgets like EH16 or the LoFi or Vortex 2)AND its the Laptop/Mobius people and these seem to mention Reaktor and other software solutions.. with some exceptions... There doesnt seem to be ANY DJ stylee/Phrasesampler/Groovbox types any more... ...and the bastards of the week are 3rd prize, guy with most pedals - "Ow my knees hurt" = Steve B 2nd prize, most well organised "Its 18:26 so its time for a poo" = Per B (gonna guess that Kris has won joint on this catagory, bit he didnt give his gear...(Ahh NOW he did and I was right!! Joint second!!!) 1st prize, just too many loopers "I have too much money, I cant make up my bloody mind" = MECH!!! ;-) MArk mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: LD content: quick polls > Coming back to the recent On/Offtopic etc. LD content discussion, let me > add > this suggestion: > > could we do any "quick poll"s etc. using either > > a) something on a website, either a provided service (I remember someone > here using www.surveymonkey.com, which has a free service) or something > using php/mysql on your own site? > > b) if that is for some reason not possible: please ask the people > answering > to send the results to you via matrix mail and then post a summary to LD? > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 18:30:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 227DE3BF25; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE4C2D.7040201@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:30:05 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] Big tape loop/Jibbolii fest References: <68939134.1154367681475.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> In-Reply-To: <68939134.1154367681475.JavaMail.root@fepweb02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:30:14 +0000 (UTC) That's awesome, Per! Of course, I should have known you'd be familiar with this place. Maybe something at the LD looping fest in October? The hardest part is probably all those heavy tape machines. Perhaps it could use a cassette-size (1/8") loop, and the guts of old Walkmans could be used. Cheaper and more portable, though it'd take some customization. I love the thought of a room set up with 10 stations, with the loop continuously going and people plugging in and out with their own gear. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Anyone wanna organize > a party like this stateside? That was sooooo cool. > > -- > > tEd ® kiLLiAn >> Cool! That's from the country I live in ;-) I've played at that >> venue and yesterday and the day before I actually met some of those >> guys when I played at a Swedish festival for experimental electronic >> music. The association "Fylkingen" was launched back in the thirties. >> >> per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 18:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 570903BEF8; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007801c6b4d1$8204e040$0200a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:45:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:45:36 +0000 (UTC) EDP Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Quick poll Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 18:51:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73B503BF0A; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <004a01c6b4aa$6118e7e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> <004a01c6b4aa$6118e7e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2961d9326d175520c0c13fd135b85f74@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:51:45 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Boss RC20 XL and Boss DD20 GigaDelay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 18:58:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56A9D3BF1C; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [74.104.73.154] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:58:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2006 18:58:55.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F61C560:01C6B4D3] Resent-Message-ID: <7LAA8D.A.3fH.xLlzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:58:57 +0000 (UTC)

    EDP, 2880, Jamman

    Dave

    From: "markfrancombe.com" <mark@markfrancombe.com>
    Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    To: <loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Subject: Quick poll
    Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:39:33 +0200

    Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com

    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:07:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87EDF3BF1A; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WsP//1fKi+tzBIOGhcx4HZpxxICb0V3o5dcHj5czHchvi6cLkUXRhk6YHE3vCGL4NU2pRAnGqPz18G1H1zezEq3MaDNiFyMoDdlkF6xrGa8Oz4PSTexKg40Ky5GcTmwVfaDT4IVHcXkfAXYJqBM1+AHc5GzvP5+/ytglr0g+2Ro= Message-ID: <46fea78d0607311207n5685d1e1m18777d3c3f951ae6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:07:00 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_57003_30374374.1154372820756" References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:07:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_57003_30374374.1154372820756 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline More people than I expexted are using 2 JamMans, including myself! That's a little surprising for a rookie. David On 7/31/06, Dave Lauzon wrote: > > EDP, 2880, Jamman > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > > From: *"markfrancombe.com" * > Reply-To: *Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com* > > To: ** > Subject: *Quick poll* > Date: *Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:39:33 +0200* > > > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it > breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so > that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that > this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better > that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... > > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll > > Whos using what now? > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) > > Vortex split into EDP and Repeater > > > your turn... > > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for > www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com > > ------=_Part_57003_30374374.1154372820756 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    More people than I expexted are using 2 JamMans, including myself! That's a little surprising for a rookie.
     
    David

     
    On 7/31/06, Dave Lauzon <davelauz@hotmail.com> wrote:

    EDP, 2880, Jamman

    Dave

    Subject: Quick poll
    Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:39:33 +0200


    Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com


    ------=_Part_57003_30374374.1154372820756-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:08:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C24D3BF11; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--27963306 Message-Id: <3c48c2434ee180dd1422938bc1f4120f@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:08:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:08:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--27963306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed everyday in this=20 "throw away society" we live in is staggering and I'm on the side of=20 anything that cuts waste. On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > I agree.=A0 I'd much rather own a physical CD.=A0 It's almost as if = mp3s=20 > cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files=20= > than it is to throw a CD in the trash. > > Matt > > > On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital=20 >> distribution as well. >> =A0 >> All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled=20= >> back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away,=20= >> sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a=20= >> tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the=20 >> matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a=20 >> situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply=20 >> because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs=20= >> on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather=20 >> give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have=20= >> folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the=20 >> generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I=20= >> produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of=20 >> the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I=20 >> like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and=20 >> digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of=20= >> the production. >> =A0 >> Kris >> --Apple-Mail-1--27963306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed everyday in this "throw away society" we live in is staggering and I'm on the side of anything that cuts waste. =20 On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: I agree.=A0 I'd much rather own a physical CD.=A0 It's almost = as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialI sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as = well. =A0 ArialAll in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of the production. =A0 ArialKris = --Apple-Mail-1--27963306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9782E3BF0F; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:17:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C6B4B4.7536B3B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca002CxAdgPy6+qQTy+mczyzyKA8wAAhjtg Message-Id: <20060731191728.096BC3BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:17:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C6B4B4.7536B3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is what I've got for looping. Currently focusing on the LP-1 to get it going. Hardware: Looperlative LP-1 Electrix Repeater (2) Lexicon ReJams (Reflexes converted to JamMan's) Software (PC): Ableton Live Stylus RMX on a Muse Receptor for REX playback _____ From: Dave Lauzon [mailto:davelauz@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Quick poll EDP, 2880, Jamman Dave _____ From: "markfrancombe.com" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Subject: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:39:33 +0200 Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C6B4B4.7536B3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    This is what = I’ve got for looping. Currently focusing on the LP-1 to get it = going.

     

    Hardware:

          Looperlative = LP-1

          Electrix = Repeater

          (2) Lexicon ReJams (Reflexes converted to JamMan’s)

     

    Software = (PC):

          Ableton = Live

          Stylus RMX on a Muse Receptor for REX playback

     

     

    From: Dave = Lauzon [mailto:davelauz@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, July 31, = 2006 2:59 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RE: Quick = poll

     

    EDP, 2880, Jamman

    Dave

    From: "markfrancombe.com" = <mark@markfrancombe.com>
    Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    To: <loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Subject: Quick poll
    Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:39:33 = +0200

    Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this = list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots = technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of = my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising...

     

    I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but = lets ahve a quick poll

     

    Whos using what now?

    I'll start... (looping products mentioned only = please)

     

    Vortex  split into EDP and = Repeater

     

     

    your turn...

     

     

    mark francombe
    marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com<= /span>

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C6B4B4.7536B3B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:18:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AB3B3BF44; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <3c48c2434ee180dd1422938bc1f4120f@mac.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:18:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05DE_01C6B4A3.BFCB52C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <5_jIkB.A.K8.vdlzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:18:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05DE_01C6B4A3.BFCB52C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Next to diapers, none of this matter. :) =20 Seriously, though, if anyone is generating a product that they are = certain will be trashed, then that seems a bit futile and wasteful. But = there are also a lot of folks who keep their CDs or albums for a long = time. And if they do get rid of them, they don't sell them, but trade = them in. I don't think I've ever thrown away a music CD. Has anyone on = the list thrown several music CDs away? You can at least take them to a = record store and trade them in, or donate them to a charity...there are = many people much more unfortuante that us that can't afford to buy new = CDs, and can't afford iPods or computers, but might have an old CD payer = or CD radio/boombox. They rely on being able to get a used CD for $2 or = getting them from a benefit.=20 I hope no one is throwing away music CDs. That's not very thoughtful. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Mimlitsch=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed everyday in this = "throw away society" we live in is staggering and I'm on the side of = anything that cuts waste.=20 On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s = cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files = than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital = distribution as well. =20 All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have = waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs = away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is = a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the = matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a = situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply = because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on = their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my = CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation = who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, = the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they = are missing a significant element of the production. =20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_05DE_01C6B4A3.BFCB52C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Next to diapers, none of this matter. = :) =20
     
    Seriously, though, if anyone is = generating a=20 product that they are certain will be trashed, then that seems a bit = futile and=20 wasteful.  But there are also a lot of folks who keep their CDs or = albums=20 for a long time. And if they do get rid of them, they don't sell them, = but trade=20 them in. I don't think I've ever thrown away a music CD. Has anyone on = the list=20 thrown several music CDs away? You can at least take them to a record = store and=20 trade them in, or donate them to a charity...there are many people much = more=20 unfortuante that us that can't afford to buy new CDs, and can't afford = iPods or=20 computers, but might have an old CD payer or CD radio/boombox. They rely = on=20 being able to get a used CD for $2 or getting them from a benefit. =
     
    I hope no one is throwing away music = CDs. =20 That's not very thoughtful.

    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Paul=20 Mimlitsch
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 1:08 PM
    Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked = down to=20 $5.00

    Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed = everyday=20 in this "throw away society" we live in is staggering and I'm on the = side of=20 anything that cuts waste.

    On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Matthew = F.=20 McCabe wrote:

    I agree.  I'd much rather own a physical CD.  = It's=20 almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete = a=20 couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the=20 trash.

    Matt


    On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen = Hartung=20 wrote:

    I sure am. I have = all of=20 the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as = well.
     
    All=20 in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled = back and=20 forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell = them for=20 standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, = and=20 pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, = for me,=20 the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist = when=20 someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford = it, or=20 because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't = the the=20 highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to = CD=20 Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And, = believe it or=20 not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a = physical=20 CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as = much a part=20 of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. = I like=20 for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital = art. If=20 they don't they are missing a significant element of the = production.
     
    Kris

    ------=_NextPart_000_05DE_01C6B4A3.BFCB52C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:19:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF6E3BF27; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O0WCk4Nt6Fn+Cji4L7SYWnPsNCAMc5MBfi0oGnqRA+3mgheNPiwcvB6xyNurncvQmncQlmHKCoyaxzABtIXWQGUh0XRvQ9bJ88tXVXQifYYYLb/vQEjRO2Y/VD9BiJN9O6oazDzYiUUbU9SJr4jzBYbwtG80iNRvTeB8OLTr49g= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:19:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Quick Poll From: Todd Reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Quick Poll Thread-Index: Aca01jtyeefAYSDJEdu2EQAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <44CE1BEE.3050800@biink.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Violin into a MOTU Traveler, using a laptop running Live, SooperLooper, Max/MSP, Komplete 2 (reaktor and everything else), and plugins Still have two echoplexi, sometimes use an eventide orville, and a jamman in the closet. But mostly in the laptop these days. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:20:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 833573BF4C; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:16:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? In-reply-to: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44CE56F6.8030800@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:20:26 +0000 (UTC) markfrancombe.com wrote: > So whats this new divice gotta be??? Is a divice a divine device? ;-) > Its gotta be called the Midiplex Digital Pro: > Its a small 1 U and cheap beast... I want it to have EXACTLY THE SAME > WAY OF WORKING as an EDP except instead of recording audio it should > record and loop and overdub... midi notes... I want the same insert > caperbilities I don't know anyone who likes capers inserted in their food, much less their loopers. ;-) (Yes, I'm in a wierd mood!) Seriously now: > (altho I can see some problems here) and it should have some quantise > caperbilities, to FORCE your playing onto a "grid" of your choosing, > 16th, 32nds/ or 256ths if you are tight... Does Live do MIDI looping? For you Roland S-50 and S-550 sampler owners out there, DIR-S might be a possibility. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:22:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0033C3BF53; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:20:46 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 07/31/2006 03:23:17 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: <919Mj.A.2UB.yhlzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:22:27 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>I hope no one is throwing away music CDs. That's not very thoughtful. I've thrown away a ton. It's generally not worth the time & effort to get to a store for the $10 you generally go home with. And that's for good, mainstream CD's. Most of the stuff I have record stores simply wouldn't give you anything for. I'm not that concerned with charity or making sure that people who can't afford CD's have access to cheap used CD"s. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:32:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1BE3BF5C; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RzdmOZP83O8KElDVDcumD6jN42LFNuzzjr0ngjQkWgMM40IngrWVxUiDyPjH4g38abeKn2XMgC4IWw10lkyTOpG73uTGqclXkxllJIABHaDLDmXarmqQeVgpFBrDsLzz2SWrX45TOSYpw+pNcSIIHtGov7RJ9lP7+oqF62buV2E= ; Message-ID: <20060731193218.17061.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:32:19 +0000 (UTC) cd's make for good reflective walls in a indoor garden and you can loop them on strings so when a fan hits them they will reflect randomly... --- Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > >>>>>I hope no one is throwing away music CDs. > That's not very thoughtful. > > > I've thrown away a ton. It's generally not worth the > time & effort to get > to a store for the $10 you generally go home with. > And that's for good, > mainstream CD's. Most of the stuff I have record > stores simply wouldn't > give you anything for. > > I'm not that concerned with charity or making sure > that people who can't > afford CD's have access to cheap used CD"s. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) > is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed > and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , > confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, > you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail > message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:36:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29303BF38; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060731153639.yq2gbhg0gc8sgwg8@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:36:39 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:36:40 +0000 (UTC) rackmount p4 computer running mobius in bidule vst host, aardvark q10 interface Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca >> Whos using what now? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9932A3BF64; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060731193218.17061.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [OT] CD uses (was Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:35:08 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 07/31/2006 03:37:39 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:36:47 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>cd's make for good reflective walls in a indoor garden and you can loop them on strings so when a fan hits them they will reflect randomly... Have you ever microwaved a CD? Totally serious. It explodes in a shower of mini blue lightning bolts. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03EC3BF13; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.79.37.69] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:38:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Maybe you should be g > > I'm not that concerned with charity or making sure that people who can't > afford CD's have access to cheap used CD"s. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 19:49:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 697813BF15; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060731124005.010bcba8@pop.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:49:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 In-Reply-To: References: <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:49:50 +0000 (UTC) At 2006.07.31 12:20 PM, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > >>>>>I hope no one is throwing away music CDs. That's not very thoughtful. > > >I've thrown away a ton. It's generally not worth the time & effort to get >to a store for the $10 you generally go home with. And that's for good, >mainstream CD's. Most of the stuff I have record stores simply wouldn't >give you anything for. Trade for a cd you DO want at www.lala.com for 1.75 per trade (promos not accepted). >I'm not that concerned with charity or making sure that people who can't >afford CD's have access to cheap used CD"s. Great attitude! The world needs more people that dump perfectly good shit in the trash. sean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 20:09:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF27B3BF18; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CE6387.4000309@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:09:43 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] CD uses (was Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090108060505060406070407" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0631-0, 07/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:09:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090108060505060406070407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow... this is sooooo off topic.. ...but yeah! It's hillarious! And if you only go for 1 or 2 seconds, it creates a pretty awesome pattern burned into the disc. OK, I'm stopping to think whether or not I should send this... no probably not. ..can't...resist... --Josh Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: >>>>>> cd's make for good reflective walls in a indoor garden >>>>>> > and you can loop them on strings so when a fan hits > them they will reflect randomly... > > > Have you ever microwaved a CD? Totally serious. It explodes in a shower of > mini blue lightning bolts. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > --------------090108060505060406070407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow... this is sooooo off topic..

    ...but yeah!  It's hillarious!  And if you only go for 1 or 2 seconds, it creates a pretty awesome pattern burned into the disc.

    OK, I'm stopping to think whether or not I should send this... no probably not.

    ..can't...resist...

    --Josh



    Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: 
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    and you can loop them on strings so when a fan hits
them they will reflect randomly...


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mini blue lightning bolts.


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    --------------090108060505060406070407-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 20:22:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265863BF0B; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44CE6387.4000309@infinivert.com> References: <44CE6387.4000309@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <85a4eb76a8a89c76dc24d2a1292a0ace@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: [OT] CD uses (was Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:21:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:22:02 +0000 (UTC) http://www.artcars.com/twinkle/index.html 200 pounds of CDs...... lala.com is pretty amazing....I have friends totally addicted to it... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 20:43:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A26A3BECF; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u9lR6VN6ef9R9SAo8pvCacOtEjPSk28i9M7h5ok6JygtV+W33XyID+qB/aUSSmhAJwtCIhWvoaEu0nKF3lWlpeO4hUPvmjsmVPyU6UppGp94O8iQLK8hh+xZEgnIinFUHrnk1mRJcpwOyPFC43jVi7d04m714bkc4jg+QQFonDU= ; Message-ID: <20060731204310.25127.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:43:11 +0000 (UTC) 2 EDPs for solo looping gigs Line6 DL4 for Bands, jams and a recent addition still on the test lab a boss dd-20 Luis --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > 2 EDPs and a Boss DD-20 GigaDelay for the live > stuff. > > Boss SP-303 for the canned loops. > > Peace, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > “To refute the solipsist or the metaphysical > idealist all you have to > do is take him out and throw a rock at his head: if > he ducks he’s a > liar. His logic may be airtight but his argument, > far from revealing > the delusions of living experience, only exposes the > limitations of > logic.” -- Edward Abbey, from Desert Solitaire > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? > > step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, > DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > > On Jul 31, 2006, at 4:39 AM, markfrancombe.com > wrote: > > > Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, > this list has widened > > it breath of topics to discuss loads of different > subjects recently, > > so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots > technology... It > > used to be that this list was predominately an EDP > list, with a bit of > > my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a > bit of > > philosophising and politicising... > >   > > I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but > lets ahve a quick > > poll > >   > > Whos using what now? > > > > I'll start... (looping products mentioned only > please) > >   > > Vortex  split into EDP and Repeater > >   > >   > > your turn... > >   > >   > > mark francombe > > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he > writes for > > www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 20:58:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D3AF3BEEA; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XN5u5QgZdp1oPECOnRI2JRM9SmMwvgvAezAHz48RGV6T4VVKRcPJELFnQJEmhXCAgdd+ZBzL8kDxKHVtcuA2Af1qH0gh7YOYvaZTi8x8EVWtjyJ9mstuN9wUNTCk0+uYJi9UpeP/evP0ptKxkHl6+GwHWbiMRy/jeqxf82f7U4g= ; Message-ID: <20060731205841.34711.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:58:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060731153639.yq2gbhg0gc8sgwg8@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6FUq8B.A.HgG.C8mzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Toshiba M100 dual core centrino with 2 gig of RAM running Mobius within Live 5. > > >> Whos using what now? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 21:01:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9734F3BEE0; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44CE6F5B.4060303@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:00:11 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <20060731205841.34711.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060731205841.34711.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Toshiba A4 running Mobius via Rme Fireface400 Eventide Orvillle Tc Fireworx Boss Vf1 luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 22:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96D1A3BEDB; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <3c48c2434ee180dd1422938bc1f4120f@mac.com> <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--17066225 Message-Id: From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:09:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:09:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--17066225 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Totally agree with the sentiment and personally pass things along as=20 opposed to trashing them. The problem is still that any material=20 purchase is going to wind up in a landfill eventually - whether the=20 original purchaser puts it there or passes the responsibility on to=20 someone else. Also, someone who may not be able to purchase a CD at=20 $16 may be able to purchase the same full set of tunes for $9 from=20 "iTunes" or at least the "hit of the day" for a lot less. How many=20 times does one listen to a CD (album, vinyl etc.) before it goes to the=20= shelf where it sits for years before getting another listen? On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Next to diapers, none of this matter. :)=A0 > =A0 > Seriously, though, if anyone is generating a product that they are=20 > certain will be trashed, then that seems a bit futile and wasteful.=A0=20= > But there are also a lot of folks who keep their CDs or albums for a=20= > long time. And if they do get rid of them, they don't sell them, but=20= > trade them in. I don't think I've ever thrown away a music CD. Has=20 > anyone on the list thrown several music CDs away? You can at least=20 > take them to a record store and trade them in, or donate them to a=20 > charity...there are many people much more unfortuante that us that=20 > can't afford to buy new CDs, and can't afford iPods or computers, but=20= > might have an old CD payer or CD radio/boombox. They rely on being=20 > able to get a used CD for $2 or getting them from a benefit. > =A0 > I hope no one is throwing away music CDs.=A0 That's not very = thoughtful. > > > Kris --Apple-Mail-1--17066225 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Totally agree with the sentiment and personally pass things along as opposed to trashing them. The problem is still that any material purchase is going to wind up in a landfill eventually - whether the original purchaser puts it there or passes the responsibility on to someone else. Also, someone who may not be able to purchase a CD at $16 may be able to purchase the same full set of tunes for $9 from "iTunes" or at least the "hit of the day" for a lot less. How many times does one listen to a CD (album, vinyl etc.) before it goes to the shelf where it sits for years before getting another listen? =20 =20 On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialNext to diapers, none of this matter. :)=A0 =A0 ArialSeriously, though, if anyone is generating a product that they are certain will be trashed, then that seems a bit futile and wasteful.=A0 But there are also a lot of folks who keep their CDs or albums for a long time. And if they do get rid of them, they don't sell them, but trade them in. I don't think I've ever thrown away a music CD. Has anyone on the list thrown several music CDs away? You can at least take them to a record store and trade them in, or donate them to a charity...there are many people much more unfortuante that us that can't afford to buy new CDs, and can't afford iPods or computers, but might have an old CD payer or CD radio/boombox. They rely on being able to get a used CD for $2 or getting them from a benefit. =A0 ArialI hope no one is throwing away music CDs.=A0 That's not very thoughtful. ArialKris = --Apple-Mail-1--17066225-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B192F3BEB8; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uqSvrx1TDf3ALmpix4jNX8+iFlJZNV/2ledgQPFMMohgdEsbAwjU88wo++pJNh+Czm5kP9+u4rKvI8WpnnbUo5/iLL/tgg9bOCkNm0QPgngz0hbut1/yh/y9k2O7qmAZO3EieHvw88rrkTG1zBBaLf8LR+zTLggDc57y60mNG3I= ; Message-ID: <20060731222516.15690.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) its also amazing that cassettes are still around while mini disc didnt quite see the light of day! i am still sentimentally hanging on to mines:-) Luis --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Totally agree with the sentiment and personally pass > things along as > opposed to trashing them. The problem is still that > any material > purchase is going to wind up in a landfill > eventually - whether the > original purchaser puts it there or passes the > responsibility on to > someone else. Also, someone who may not be able to > purchase a CD at > $16 may be able to purchase the same full set of > tunes for $9 from > "iTunes" or at least the "hit of the day" for a lot > less. How many > times does one listen to a CD (album, vinyl etc.) > before it goes to the > shelf where it sits for years before getting another > listen? > > On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Next to diapers, none of this matter. :)  > >   > > Seriously, though, if anyone is generating a > product that they are > > certain will be trashed, then that seems a bit > futile and wasteful.  > > But there are also a lot of folks who keep their > CDs or albums for a > > long time. And if they do get rid of them, they > don't sell them, but > > trade them in. I don't think I've ever thrown away > a music CD. Has > > anyone on the list thrown several music CDs away? > You can at least > > take them to a record store and trade them in, or > donate them to a > > charity...there are many people much more > unfortuante that us that > > can't afford to buy new CDs, and can't afford > iPods or computers, but > > might have an old CD payer or CD radio/boombox. > They rely on being > > able to get a used CD for $2 or getting them from > a benefit. > >   > > I hope no one is throwing away music CDs.  That's > not very thoughtful. > > > > > > Kris > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 22:49:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8D43BEB8; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xB0A7KO4oQSmKzV1T35rVmdBASyBuS4kOM/+9jAgiQ3ug7JSIstboUmMZL1xpGjaKRUHsypYQW+/fBnRmJWZIdSAAvzaagOGHvHblfjjRDcm9V+KAi/uE8p30gv9aNrQOIN2UMOdVhgquik25EQ0cCZbRx503Vm/h1kCvnXgpT8= ; Message-ID: <20060731224947.51708.qmail@web31908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44CE6F5B.4060303@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:49:49 +0000 (UTC) stereo edp's looperalitive rc 50 boomerang repeater then unfortunatly i woke up...and was stuck with this dl4. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 31 23:27:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B803A3BEC5; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Z4Z2CeTGCFfkE5cZJgryCyyhTa62WBLAuQDz394W/wuwpjUxYkKn8VD3arp2344F; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24733980.1154388446911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:27:26 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9408c6f2304115df7805e201968046a50ac350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:27:27 +0000 (UTC)
    Have a Boss DD-20 currently on pedal board feeding into an RC-20xl. Also have a EDP Pro Plus somewhere in the bowels of the UPS warehouse in the next town over, theoretically on it's way here.
     
    Todd


    -----Original Message-----
    From: "markfrancombe.com"
    Sent: Jul 31, 2006 5:39 AM
    To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Quick poll

    Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising...
     
    I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll
     
    Whos using what now?

    I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please)
     
    Vortex  split into EDP and Repeater
     
     
    your turn...
     
     
    mark francombe
    marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com
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