From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 01:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25ADC3BEE6; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 01:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02c401c68519$9859dae0$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071A92@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:20:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C1_01C684E7.4CFA4620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 580, in=325185, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 01:20:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01C684E7.4CFA4620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I might give the M-Audio USB unit a try then. It's not terribly = expensive. So far I really like M-audio gear, especially their solid = state recorder. I still like the Indigo IO, but plugging my guitar = chord into that thing with a 1/4 to 1/8 adpator makes me nervous. It = just hangs there, and easily wiggles around. I bought a really high = quality instrument chord that is designed for computer use (the Monster = cable that goes from 1/4 to 1/8 and doesn't require an adaptor), but the = thing is so thick and robust that it overpowers the input jack of the = IO. It's like I need some sort of harness that will keep it stable in = the input jack.=20 Thanks. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Latency should be no problem if you're only using a few channels. In theory USB/Firewire devices are more suspectable to bus contention than a PCMCIA card, but if you only have one high-speed device on the bus it isn't an issue. Just avoid having the audio interface, scanner, video digitizer, and external backup hard drive all going at the same time :-) Historically firewire has had a better reputation than USB, but they're about the same now. USB is a bit twitchier with hubs, you have to be careful never to mix USB1 and USB2 devices on the same hub. If you're plugging directly into the computer you're fine. Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01C684E7.4CFA4620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I might give the M-Audio USB unit a try = then. It's=20 not terribly expensive.  So far I really like M-audio gear, = especially=20 their solid state recorder.  I still like the Indigo IO, but = plugging my=20 guitar chord into that thing with a 1/4 to 1/8 adpator makes me nervous. = It just=20 hangs there, and easily wiggles around. I bought a really high = quality=20 instrument chord that is designed for=20 computer use (the Monster cable that goes from 1/4 to 1/8 = and=20 doesn't require an adaptor), but the thing is so thick and robust that = it=20 overpowers the input jack of the IO. It's like I need some sort of = harness that=20 will keep it stable in the input jack.
 
 Thanks.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

Latency should be no problem if you're only using a few = channels. =20 In
theory USB/Firewire devices are more suspectable to bus=20 contention
than a PCMCIA card, but if you only have one high-speed = device=20 on the
bus it isn't an issue.  Just avoid having the audio=20 interface,
scanner, video digitizer, and external backup hard drive = all=20 going at
the same time :-)
 
Historically firewire = has had a=20 better reputation than USB, but
they're about the same now.  = USB is a=20 bit twitchier with hubs, you
have to be careful never to mix USB1 = and USB2=20 devices on the same hub.
If you're plugging directly into the = computer=20 you're fine.
 
Jeff
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_02C1_01C684E7.4CFA4620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 01:28:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89B2E3BEDC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 01:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02cd01c6851a$b4fb4d90$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060531235047.54175.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:28:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 579, in=317329, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 01:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Well, the whole notebook effect/looping thing certainly is certainly a pain in the ass, at least for me. And it just astounds me how flooded the internet is with web sites, forums, user groups, etc, etc...all devoted to fixing problems with computers. It is no wonder they have problems, given that they are designed to address so many business and user cases/needs. When you buy a Looperlative, EDP, Repeater, or even a Muse Receptor, they are (all things being equal and exceptions noted) designed to do one thing, and do it well. They aren't designed to balance your checkbook, write documents and email, build web pages, connect to other computers, etc, etc, basically everything in the business kitchen sink that will increase human productivity. That being said, I am attracted to notebooks like a moth to a flame, and I am compelled to make this system work, regardless of how much it pisses me off, frustrates me, or makes me want to throw my notebook out the window or run it over with my car. And, I have finally made it work, nearly to where it was before when it was working "perfectly" (relatively speaking). I fell victim to the converse of the age old maxim, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I tinkered and paid the price. Now that I have my ThinkPad system working as a standalone effect/looping system, I plan to keep it that way and not be tempted to keep changing things...except for this M-audio interface...wish me luck that this doesn't start the troubleshooting process all over again. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > Oh Kris i hears u, this is why i wont buy into the > laptop do it all hype, i am having a problem as well > with a second PC i just bought,i installed windows > fresh did wind update installed antivirus and transfer > all my plugins and audio stuff to it.I installed a new > anti virus program which is supposed to be better than > norton called Avira which is also installed in my old > PC and the thing is after my plugins like crazy it > keep popping saying all exe, files are infected with a > w32Wootbot worm then i get a message saying > vschost.exe is also infected etc. no problem with my > old computer everyhing runs perfect with the same > programs! > i hate wasting time with this shit really and i think > i will avoid doing music live with computers at all! > Luis > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, I couldn't resist, and I continued to >> troubleshoot. I think I >> discovered the source of the issue, now I need some >> advice....good luck. >> >> First, on my new notebook, I completely reformatted >> the drive and >> reinstalled the OS. You know what? Yes, the >> crackling and popping came >> back! Unbelievable. So, one might conclude that by >> process of elimination >> that the problem is either with the IO sound card or >> the notebook hardware. >> Right? I mean, it's a brand new OS with a brand new >> registry, etc, and I >> completely reinstalled everything. >> >> It gets better....or worse, depending on how you >> view it. >> >> As a test, I copied the VST effects from my new >> computer to my old computer, >> which also works perfectly....and I saw the same >> message that I got when I >> was setting up my new computer while Chainer scanned >> through my VST effects >> foler. The message is from all of the Reaktor VST >> effects, like Metaphysical >> and Krypt....as they are loading up into the VST >> host, a window says cannot >> change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to >> 48000. Once the VST effects >> loaded up in Chainer, I activated a few and the >> blasted snapping and >> crackling started occuring on my old computer!!!! I >> am blown away. Now I >> have two computers that are useless for performing, >> and reinstalling the OS >> won't fix the problem, nor will uninstalling Reaktor >> and re-installing, or >> any of my programs. >> >> What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor >> doing to my system? If that >> is the cause. After the windows pop up with the >> samplerate message, I notice >> that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't even >> appear as an option any >> more. Amazing... >> >> Kris >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 02:46:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11B6D3BEDA; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 02:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=P28lOt0DgC62hRv72A0gjrRr35esqVi3pfm1VH4l/0ptAmF642anhxvvp3yrlt97T3XoJD03kQNNKkOorGjWuEjcSNJi8xh6fqwSUY23T5zPH1o06aIONxoaW/HuRvOgjYu+KgOok6jN+UQFmCgw27HgFqFUcSZiNBu1C+vYrhc= Message-ID: <64b81a780605311946ja6d906ej352a31256a25e6a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:46:03 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems In-Reply-To: <02cd01c6851a$b4fb4d90$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43864_11667631.1149129963329" References: <20060531235047.54175.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02cd01c6851a$b4fb4d90$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 02:46:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_43864_11667631.1149129963329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think you'll be happy with the MAudio. I've heard nothing but good things about them from an aquaintance who owns one. Good luck. Todd On 5/31/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Well, the whole notebook effect/looping thing certainly is certainly a > pain > in the ass, at least for me. And it just astounds me how flooded the > internet is with web sites, forums, user groups, etc, etc...all devoted to > fixing problems with computers. It is no wonder they have problems, given > that they are designed to address so many business and user cases/needs. > When you buy a Looperlative, EDP, Repeater, or even a Muse Receptor, they > are (all things being equal and exceptions noted) designed to do one > thing, > and do it well. They aren't designed to balance your checkbook, write > documents and email, build web pages, connect to other computers, etc, > etc, > basically everything in the business kitchen sink that will increase human > productivity. > > That being said, I am attracted to notebooks like a moth to a flame, and I > am compelled to make this system work, regardless of how much it pisses me > off, frustrates me, or makes me want to throw my notebook out the window > or > run it over with my car. And, I have finally made it work, nearly to where > it was before when it was working "perfectly" (relatively speaking). > > I fell victim to the converse of the age old maxim, "if it ain't broke, > don't fix it". I tinkered and paid the price. Now that I have my ThinkPad > system working as a standalone effect/looping system, I plan to keep it > that > way and not be tempted to keep changing things...except for this M-audio > interface...wish me luck that this doesn't start the troubleshooting > process > all over again. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems > > > > Oh Kris i hears u, this is why i wont buy into the > > laptop do it all hype, i am having a problem as well > > with a second PC i just bought,i installed windows > > fresh did wind update installed antivirus and transfer > > all my plugins and audio stuff to it.I installed a new > > anti virus program which is supposed to be better than > > norton called Avira which is also installed in my old > > PC and the thing is after my plugins like crazy it > > keep popping saying all exe, files are infected with a > > w32Wootbot worm then i get a message saying > > vschost.exe is also infected etc. no problem with my > > old computer everyhing runs perfect with the same > > programs! > > i hate wasting time with this shit really and i think > > i will avoid doing music live with computers at all! > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Well, I couldn't resist, and I continued to > >> troubleshoot. I think I > >> discovered the source of the issue, now I need some > >> advice....good luck. > >> > >> First, on my new notebook, I completely reformatted > >> the drive and > >> reinstalled the OS. You know what? Yes, the > >> crackling and popping came > >> back! Unbelievable. So, one might conclude that by > >> process of elimination > >> that the problem is either with the IO sound card or > >> the notebook hardware. > >> Right? I mean, it's a brand new OS with a brand new > >> registry, etc, and I > >> completely reinstalled everything. > >> > >> It gets better....or worse, depending on how you > >> view it. > >> > >> As a test, I copied the VST effects from my new > >> computer to my old computer, > >> which also works perfectly....and I saw the same > >> message that I got when I > >> was setting up my new computer while Chainer scanned > >> through my VST effects > >> foler. The message is from all of the Reaktor VST > >> effects, like Metaphysical > >> and Krypt....as they are loading up into the VST > >> host, a window says cannot > >> change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to > >> 48000. Once the VST effects > >> loaded up in Chainer, I activated a few and the > >> blasted snapping and > >> crackling started occuring on my old computer!!!! I > >> am blown away. Now I > >> have two computers that are useless for performing, > >> and reinstalling the OS > >> won't fix the problem, nor will uninstalling Reaktor > >> and re-installing, or > >> any of my programs. > >> > >> What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor > >> doing to my system? If that > >> is the cause. After the windows pop up with the > >> samplerate message, I notice > >> that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't even > >> appear as an option any > >> more. Amazing... > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ------=_Part_43864_11667631.1149129963329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think you'll be happy with the MAudio.  I've heard nothing but good things about them from an aquaintance who owns one.  Good luck.

Todd

On 5/31/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Well, the whole notebook effect/looping thing certainly is certainly a pain
in the ass, at least for me.  And it just astounds me how flooded the
internet is with web sites, forums, user groups, etc, etc...all devoted to
fixing problems with computers.  It is no wonder they have problems, given
that they are designed to address so many business and user cases/needs.
When you buy a Looperlative, EDP, Repeater, or even a Muse Receptor, they
are (all things being equal and exceptions noted) designed to do one thing,
and do it well. They aren't designed to balance your checkbook, write
documents and email, build web pages, connect to other computers, etc, etc,
basically everything in the business kitchen sink that will increase human
productivity.

That being said, I am attracted to notebooks like a moth to a flame, and I
am compelled to make this system work, regardless of how much it pisses me
off, frustrates me, or makes me want to throw my notebook out the window or
run it over with my car. And, I have finally made it work, nearly to where
it was before when it was working "perfectly" (relatively speaking).

I fell victim to the converse of the age old maxim, "if it ain't broke,
don't fix it". I tinkered and paid the price. Now that I have my ThinkPad
system working as a standalone effect/looping system, I plan to keep it that
way and not be tempted to keep changing things...except for this M-audio
interface...wish me luck that this doesn't start the troubleshooting process
all over again.

Kris



----- Original Message -----
From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems


> Oh Kris i hears u, this is why i wont buy into the
> laptop do it all hype, i am having a problem as well
> with a second PC i just bought,i installed windows
> fresh did wind update installed antivirus and transfer
> all my plugins and audio stuff to it.I installed a new
> anti virus program which is supposed to be better than
> norton called Avira which is also installed in my old
> PC and the thing is after my plugins like crazy it
> keep popping saying all exe, files are infected with a
> w32Wootbot worm then i get a message saying
> vschost.exe is also infected etc. no problem with my
> old computer everyhing runs perfect with the same
> programs!
> i hate wasting time with this shit really and i think
> i will avoid doing music live with computers at all!
> Luis
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, I couldn't resist, and I continued to
>> troubleshoot. I think I
>> discovered the source of the issue, now I need some
>> advice....good luck.
>>
>> First, on my new notebook, I completely reformatted
>> the drive and
>> reinstalled the OS.  You know what? Yes, the
>> crackling and popping came
>> back!  Unbelievable. So, one might conclude that by
>> process of elimination
>> that the problem is either with the IO sound card or
>> the notebook hardware.
>> Right? I mean, it's a brand new OS with a brand new
>> registry, etc, and I
>> completely reinstalled everything.
>>
>> It gets better....or worse, depending on how you
>> view it.
>>
>> As a test, I copied the VST effects from my new
>> computer to my old computer,
>> which also works perfectly....and I saw the same
>> message that I got when I
>> was setting up my new computer while Chainer scanned
>> through my VST effects
>> foler. The message is from all of the Reaktor VST
>> effects, like Metaphysical
>> and Krypt....as they are loading up into the VST
>> host, a window says cannot
>> change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to
>> 48000.  Once the VST effects
>> loaded up in Chainer, I activated a few and the
>> blasted snapping and
>> crackling started occuring on my old computer!!!!  I
>> am blown away. Now I
>> have two computers that are useless for performing,
>> and reinstalling the OS
>> won't fix the problem, nor will uninstalling Reaktor
>> and re-installing, or
>> any of my programs.
>>
>> What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor
>> doing to my system? If that
>> is the cause. After the windows pop up with the
>> samplerate message, I notice
>> that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't even
>> appear as an option any
>> more. Amazing...
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>


------=_Part_43864_11667631.1149129963329-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 03:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52663BEE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 03:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060531235047.54175.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060531235047.54175.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:46:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 03:46:30 +0000 (UTC) All this whining and moaning about laptops is getting old. :-) I'm not going to argue one is better than the other (hw vs laptop).=20 They both have their strengths. I've used both. Here is the catch: Computers offer flexiblity, portability and=20 upgradeability not offered by dedicated hardware. If you want this,=20 laptops are for you. If you want something that does what it does, and=20= nothing else, get a hardware based unit. I've had hardware go down, inclluding my beloved moogerfooger ring mod,=20= and I've had software glitch....all technology has problems. I've even had my valves on my trumpet stick at a show before. Broke=20 strings on my guitar as well. It is all part of the game. I love my laptop....works great, and has been solid for over two=20 years......(of course, it is a Mac....) If you want to make laptop work: Get rid of piecemeal systems and go=20 max/msp. There. I've got it out of my system..... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 31, 2006, at 4:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Oh Kris i hears u, this is why i wont buy into the > laptop do it all hype, i am having a problem as well > with a second PC i just bought,i installed windows > fresh did wind update installed antivirus and transfer > all my plugins and audio stuff to it.I installed a new > anti virus program which is supposed to be better than > norton called Avira which is also installed in my old > PC and the thing is after my plugins like crazy it > keep popping saying all exe, files are infected with a > w32Wootbot worm then i get a message saying > vschost.exe is also infected etc. no problem with my > old computer everyhing runs perfect with the same > programs! > i hate wasting time with this shit really and i think > i will avoid doing music live with computers at all! > Luis > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, I couldn't resist, and I continued to >> troubleshoot. I think I >> discovered the source of the issue, now I need some >> advice....good luck. >> >> First, on my new notebook, I completely reformatted >> the drive and >> reinstalled the OS. You know what? Yes, the >> crackling and popping came >> back! Unbelievable. So, one might conclude that by >> process of elimination >> that the problem is either with the IO sound card or >> the notebook hardware. >> Right? I mean, it's a brand new OS with a brand new >> registry, etc, and I >> completely reinstalled everything. >> >> It gets better....or worse, depending on how you >> view it. >> >> As a test, I copied the VST effects from my new >> computer to my old computer, >> which also works perfectly....and I saw the same >> message that I got when I >> was setting up my new computer while Chainer scanned >> through my VST effects >> foler. The message is from all of the Reaktor VST >> effects, like Metaphysical >> and Krypt....as they are loading up into the VST >> host, a window says cannot >> change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to >> 48000. Once the VST effects >> loaded up in Chainer, I activated a few and the >> blasted snapping and >> crackling started occuring on my old computer!!!! I >> am blown away. Now I >> have two computers that are useless for performing, >> and reinstalling the OS >> won't fix the problem, nor will uninstalling Reaktor >> and re-installing, or >> any of my programs. >> >> What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor >> doing to my system? If that >> is the cause. After the windows pop up with the >> samplerate message, I notice >> that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't even >> appear as an option any >> more. Amazing... >> >> Kris >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 05:46:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231C33BEE0; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 05:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=eVFugd0zy1PCNKmmp4foDrV3vi1ozojfdUJDvQ3Kj4P+9K2TvSuKLEcIrxNDeyv0hntP7QfxFGS7Ej/LneeszLdGW5BgjYDen/kOLEWeyQORrAyswoMXd386DtD0PeMwxP4kaZlfRmYxjbkfPsai3FDnEok/RFbI1FPyOrjj/SA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4D1FD8EE-4CF4-49B7-8E8C-3FFD0AB1E5B7@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: small movie with loops Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:46:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 05:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi All I don't have a movie camera but Rick Walker's minimalist music videos ( http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=looppool ) inspired me to try my regular digital camera's movie mode. I edited it using the iMovie software that came with my mac - I found it rather clunky and crude but here is the result as a download file: http://www.savefile.com/projects/869878 or at YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo Soundtrack is kalimba thumb piano loops. Thanks Rick! regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 07:09:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFB373BEE9; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T5HgggtJc6xfRkO2JKaMx2xfpfKhIOibx4TSbfXoogPGJOEZIr6m6d1t90+6O/YDVow8DI9j2HXBPkwVoDaryyDH1CA7gAEJndDxu9j86G0ji18pSPstoUkbkj2By/awJ6vujxhZIqodPe2W0qCk88z98vGsFuCEQ2/HASGG3F0= ; Message-ID: <20060601070901.11931.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: tweakheadz tips To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <90C6CA2A-1CC1-4315-AA06-97EE338ECA68@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:09:03 +0000 (UTC) i found this and just thought i share this with u on the subject of laptops for recording, firewire vs PCI etc etc etc. very cool http://www.tweakheadz.com/soundcards_for_the_home_studio.htm cheers Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 07:45:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516573BEE9; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1M1v2cCJe3ocFz823yV8rr2kZyYct/uRuPkb8crBP2HV3RQ0CzYw3JavDwwueBuiI+hA94ypJORNg7hXzH7+h6VmKWdld/Ktdi8eJXe5IZANGZ0UMHTi7oZWC+QJZpgLNlE3gzUsUpQvZx0YZNCbsWApF/4qEfNEJdF4LIDarrk= ; Message-ID: <20060601074536.27068.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001501c6808b$8b5bb350$1ab1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:45:37 +0000 (UTC) whats funny is that non musician people dont have a problem seeing soembody using hardware to make music but when they see a laptop and a guitar only a lot of them walk out or feel cheated,aint that funny? somebody please develope a huge carton fripp like refrigerator rack which you can fold and fit in a back pack behind the curtains and put a laptop inside! Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here is my status quo on this issue: To hell with > using the computer for > looping and music performance. I'm so fed up with > the troubleshooting, > installing, uninstalling, tweaking, loading, > unloading, configuring, > re-configuring, testing, rebooting, modifying, etc, > etc, ad nauseum that I > could projectile vomit from here to who knows where. > I can tolerate only so > much of this nonsense. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 07:47:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C1E53BEEE; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hPYnFiBTJmNTpVvMzEaLifMMqXrHKYFamIUjF00HBpk16iQNWZ14br9+PxbbBOIbRroGemp0PJyHy5I6uK2sHMhTctAW+ETP1DMEdaYk6DrKLbNf85EDaoRT+vRfrwxuQn9A5IQ9VCWzC2+/U3vQtqX6wHlT1wcaWwr8z8kUcOU= ; Message-ID: <20060601074749.98985.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: Looping shoes (was: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c6804b$494307b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0SpTD.A.e0B.mupfEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:47:51 +0000 (UTC) ok cool now can u recomend some gloves for laptops? --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Ok, now that we're in "present your looping > footwear" country: > > Frankly, I don't know where these 13 sizes you > mention fall in; I have 40 to > 41 in our German system, which translates to 6 1/2-7 > in some other...but on > my FCB1010, hitting only one switch with shoes with > a somewhat bigger > footprint (like some sport shoes) poses a problem. > > Here are my preferred looping shoes: > http://www.moinlabs.de/images/NNKW12.jpg > > These are budo shoes, which are very slim and light > and have thin rubber > soles - another option might be Ninja boots. > > Rainer > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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>>If you want to make laptop work: Get rid of piece= meal systems and go max/msp.<<

well, while we're handing out free advice.... :-)
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6856D.CB063930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 15:02:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B75F3BEE6; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03d801c6858c$5d3e7dd0$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060531235047.54175.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:02:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 578, in=312632, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:02:15 +0000 (UTC) I don't know if Max/MSP will address my issues now, Jeff. I realize it is a very robust system, and probably the best approach to use if you are using primarily Cycling 74 effects (less contention issues between different effect/host manufacturers). Right now my needs for a host are very basic. All I need is the ability to activate and deactivate VST effects, and run Mobius, and do so without crashing or major latency. I can do that now with Chainer and EnergyXT. The issues I had with my notebook, I believe now, were unrelated to the VST host, but regarding sound card settings, host settings, other audio software settings...and all not working together correctly. MAX/MSP is still on my wishlist, but $500 is a lot to spend on something when my immediate needs are already met. And based on your comment on the phone yesterday, I don't know if MAX/MSP will resolve the clicking or popping I am hearing on just a few effects, such as a few Hipno effects and some freebies like Deconstructure, Scuzzphut, etc. I really don't know why this is happening with these few effects, espcially when my buffer settings are totally good and processing is not an issue. It is a mystery to me. I may ask Cycling 74 about this. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems All this whining and moaning about laptops is getting old. :-) I'm not going to argue one is better than the other (hw vs laptop). They both have their strengths. I've used both. Here is the catch: Computers offer flexiblity, portability and upgradeability not offered by dedicated hardware. If you want this, laptops are for you. If you want something that does what it does, and nothing else, get a hardware based unit. I've had hardware go down, inclluding my beloved moogerfooger ring mod, and I've had software glitch....all technology has problems. I've even had my valves on my trumpet stick at a show before. Broke strings on my guitar as well. It is all part of the game. I love my laptop....works great, and has been solid for over two years......(of course, it is a Mac....) If you want to make laptop work: Get rid of piecemeal systems and go max/msp. There. I've got it out of my system..... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On May 31, 2006, at 4:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Oh Kris i hears u, this is why i wont buy into the > laptop do it all hype, i am having a problem as well > with a second PC i just bought,i installed windows > fresh did wind update installed antivirus and transfer > all my plugins and audio stuff to it.I installed a new > anti virus program which is supposed to be better than > norton called Avira which is also installed in my old > PC and the thing is after my plugins like crazy it > keep popping saying all exe, files are infected with a > w32Wootbot worm then i get a message saying > vschost.exe is also infected etc. no problem with my > old computer everyhing runs perfect with the same > programs! > i hate wasting time with this shit really and i think > i will avoid doing music live with computers at all! > Luis > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, I couldn't resist, and I continued to >> troubleshoot. I think I >> discovered the source of the issue, now I need some >> advice....good luck. >> >> First, on my new notebook, I completely reformatted >> the drive and >> reinstalled the OS. You know what? Yes, the >> crackling and popping came >> back! Unbelievable. So, one might conclude that by >> process of elimination >> that the problem is either with the IO sound card or >> the notebook hardware. >> Right? I mean, it's a brand new OS with a brand new >> registry, etc, and I >> completely reinstalled everything. >> >> It gets better....or worse, depending on how you >> view it. >> >> As a test, I copied the VST effects from my new >> computer to my old computer, >> which also works perfectly....and I saw the same >> message that I got when I >> was setting up my new computer while Chainer scanned >> through my VST effects >> foler. The message is from all of the Reaktor VST >> effects, like Metaphysical >> and Krypt....as they are loading up into the VST >> host, a window says cannot >> change samplerate to 44100 so it must change to >> 48000. Once the VST effects >> loaded up in Chainer, I activated a few and the >> blasted snapping and >> crackling started occuring on my old computer!!!! I >> am blown away. Now I >> have two computers that are useless for performing, >> and reinstalling the OS >> won't fix the problem, nor will uninstalling Reaktor >> and re-installing, or >> any of my programs. >> >> What the hell is going on here? What is Reaktor >> doing to my system? If that >> is the cause. After the windows pop up with the >> samplerate message, I notice >> that Chainer is set to 48000 and 44100 doesn't even >> appear as an option any >> more. Amazing... >> >> Kris >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 15:22:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3235F3BEE6; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <043f01c6858f$349ab710$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC929A@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:22:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 578, in=312665, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:22:36 +0000 (UTC) RE: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card ProblemsI totally agree....this was my downfall. Please give me a time machine so that I can go back and not !#@!$#?# with things. :) ----- Original Message ----- whatever platform, o/s & applications you end up with, don't play buckaroo with it! when it's stable, leave it alone, & for heaven's sake, make y'rself some sort of restore disc. ghost the bugger. clone the entire drive before it gets cluttered up with media or goes anywhere near a network connection. the quickest way to break any computer is to introduce it to another computer. this, by the way, lands squarely in the category "do as I say, not as I do". duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 16:01:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 789BF3BEEC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04c401c68594$9d863470$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <12ba01c64bca$e347d350$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <021d01c684fb$944e1240$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:01:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04C1_01C68562.521EFE90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 578, in=312739, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:01:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04C1_01C68562.521EFE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed no one mentioned this: Emu 1616 Laptop Audio Interface http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU1616 http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=3D505&subcategory=3D491&= product=3D13554 E-MU's new 1616 Laptop Digital Audio System brings the same powerful DSP = effects, zero-latency monitoring and pristine 24-bit/192kHz A/D and D/A = converters of E-MU's best selling PCI Digital Audio Systems to your = laptop. The E-MU CardBus card can be used standalone for its DSP power = and studio-quality headphone amp/line output, or plugged into the = MicroDock for a total of 16 inputs and 16 outputs plus two sets of MIDI = I/O. E-MU's Laptop Digital Audio Systems ship with ASIO2 and stereo WDM = drivers for Windows XP and 2000, plus the new E-MU Production Tools = Software Bundle that includes E-MU's Proteus X LE, plus software by = Cakewalk, Steinberg, Ableton, IK Multimedia, and many more - everything = you need to create, record, edit, master and burn your music. It looks promising, better than USB, as it plugs into the PCI card.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Is anyone on the list using the M-Audio Fast Track Pro?=20 Fast Track Pro 4 x 4 Mobile USB Audio/MIDI Interface with Preamps USD 249.95 http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro-main.html I'm just curious how this would compare to the Indigo IO in terms of = quality and latency, etc....I don't have any experience with USB = interaces and latency, except with the Digidesign mBox, where playback = and recording buffer settings needed to vary when I wanted no latency = recording or no buffer error playback. Kris 1. Echo IO = http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200 2. Echo DJ - = http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200 3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ = - $849 4. MOTU Ultralite - = http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - $549 5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - = $749 6. M-Audio 1814 - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499 7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149 8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - = http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/ - $1075 9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface - = http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500 10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - = http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300 11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook - = http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=3D1&subcategory=3D2= 04&product=3D10769 - $100 12. M-Audio 410 - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire410-main.html - $299 Most of these are totally overkill for me...there's no flippin' way = I'm spending $500-800 on an audio interface, but given the number of = inputes these more expensive units have and what they can do, the price = does seem right. Now, for my user requirements: - 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 mic input (optional) - Small and portable (no rack mount units), the size of a sandwich = preferrably - USB, Firewire, or PCMCIA (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does = not disable my laptop's soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not = like) - $300 or less Given this, the Echos look good, as do the M-AudioMobilepre and = Edirol UA-5. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_04C1_01C68562.521EFE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I noticed no one mentioned = this:
 
Emu 1616 Laptop Audio Interface
http://www.zzounds.com/item= --EMU1616
http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?= category=3D505&subcategory=3D491&product=3D13554
=
 
E-MU's new 1616 Laptop Digital Audio System brings the same = powerful DSP=20 effects, zero-latency monitoring and pristine 24-bit/192kHz A/D and D/A=20 converters of E-MU's best selling PCI Digital Audio Systems to your = laptop. The=20 E-MU CardBus card can be used standalone for its DSP power and = studio-quality=20 headphone amp/line output, or plugged into the MicroDock for a total of = 16=20 inputs and 16 outputs plus two sets of MIDI I/O. E-MU's Laptop Digital = Audio=20 Systems ship with ASIO2 and stereo WDM drivers for Windows XP and 2000, = plus the=20 new E-MU Production Tools Software Bundle that includes E-MU's Proteus X = LE,=20 plus software by Cakewalk, Steinberg, Ableton, IK Multimedia, and many = more -=20 everything you need to create, record, edit, master and burn your=20 music.
 
It looks promising, better than USB, as it plugs into the PCI=20 card. 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 = 3:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: Audio Interface = for Notebook=20 Users

Is anyone on the list using the M-Audio Fast Track=20 Pro? 
 
Fast Track Pro
4 x 4 Mobile USB = Audio/MIDI=20 Interface with Preamps
USD = 249.95
htt= p://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackPro-main.html
 
I'm just = curious how=20 this would compare to the Indigo IO in terms of quality and latency, = etc....I=20 don't have any experience with USB interaces and latency, except with = the=20 Digidesign mBox, where playback and recording buffer settings needed = to vary=20 when I wanted no latency recording or no buffer error=20 playback.
 
Kris
1. Echo IO http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoIO/index.php - $200
2. Echo DJ - http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/CardBus/IndigoDJ/index.php - $200
3. MOTU Traveler - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ - $849
4. MOTU Ultralite - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/ - $549
5. MOTU 828 MKII - http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/828/ - $749
6. M-Audio 1814 - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire1814-main.html - $499
7. M-Audio Mobilepre USB - = http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MobilePreUSB-main.html - $149
8. Metric Halo Mobile I/O ULN-2 - = http://www.mhlabs.com/metric_halo/products/mio/uln2/<= FONT=20 face=3DArial size=3D2> - $1075
9. Edirol FA-101 Firewire interface = - http://www.audioamigo.com/edifa101.html - $500
10. Edirol UA-5 (USB 1.1) - = http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UA-5/index.html - $300
11. SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS = Notebook  -=20 http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=3D1&su= bcategory=3D204&product=3D10769 - $100
12. M-Audio 410 - http= ://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FireWire410-main.html -=20 $299
 
Most of these are totally overkill = for=20 me...there's no flippin' way I'm spending $500-800 on an audio = interface,=20 but given the number of inputes these more expensive units have and = what=20 they can do, the price does seem right.

Now, for my user requirements:
 
- 1 stereo ouput, 1 stereo input, 1 = mic input=20 (optional)
- Small and portable (no rack mount = units), the=20 size of a sandwich preferrably
- USB, Firewire, or = PCMCIA=20 (PCMCIA is best, IF AND ONLY IF it does not disable my laptop's=20 soundcard...my Audigy 2 ZS does, which I do not = like)
- $300 or=20 less
 
Given this, the = Echos look good,=20 as do the M-AudioMobilepre and Edirol UA-5.
 
Kris

= ------=_NextPart_000_04C1_01C68562.521EFE90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 16:06:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A53AB3BEFA; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:06:43 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: EMU1616M Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <447F1093.2040403@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Lk4OiZifBJ3bx8E8h/TmTg)" X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <12ba01c64bca$e347d350$45b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <021d01c684fb$944e1240$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <04c401c68594$9d863470$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: <5gSSfD.A.a-H.dCxfEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:06:53 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_Lk4OiZifBJ3bx8E8h/TmTg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Krispen Hartung wrote: > I noticed no one mentioned this: > > Emu 1616 Laptop Audio Interface > http://www.zzounds.com/item--EMU1616 > http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=505&subcategory=491&product=13554 > > > E-MU's new 1616 Laptop Digital Audio System brings the same powerful > DSP effects, zero-latency monitoring and pristine 24-bit/192kHz A/D > and D/A converters of E-MU's best selling PCI Digital Audio Systems to > your laptop. The E-MU CardBus card can be used standalone for its DSP > power and studio-quality headphone amp/line output, or plugged into > the MicroDock for a total of 16 inputs and 16 outputs plus two sets of > MIDI I/O. E-MU's Laptop Digital Audio Systems ship with ASIO2 and > stereo WDM drivers for Windows XP and 2000, plus the new E-MU > Production Tools Software Bundle that includes E-MU's Proteus X LE, > plus software by Cakewalk, Steinberg, Ableton, IK Multimedia, and many > more - everything you need to create, record, edit, master and burn > your music. > > It looks promising, better than USB, as it plugs into the PCI card. > Kris I bought the EMU1616M as soon as it came out. Use it for recording sessions, gigs, at home in the studio, everywhere. It is a beauty. Can't say a single bad thing about it. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --Boundary_(ID_Lk4OiZifBJ3bx8E8h/TmTg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Krispen Hartung wrote:
I noticed no one mentioned this:
 
Emu 1616 Laptop Audio Interface
 
E-MU's new 1616 Laptop Digital Audio System brings the same powerful DSP effects, zero-latency monitoring and pristine 24-bit/192kHz A/D and D/A converters of E-MU's best selling PCI Digital Audio Systems to your laptop. The E-MU CardBus card can be used standalone for its DSP power and studio-quality headphone amp/line output, or plugged into the MicroDock for a total of 16 inputs and 16 outputs plus two sets of MIDI I/O. E-MU's Laptop Digital Audio Systems ship with ASIO2 and stereo WDM drivers for Windows XP and 2000, plus the new E-MU Production Tools Software Bundle that includes E-MU's Proteus X LE, plus software by Cakewalk, Steinberg, Ableton, IK Multimedia, and many more - everything you need to create, record, edit, master and burn your music.
 
It looks promising, better than USB, as it plugs into the PCI card. 
Kris
I bought the EMU1616M as soon as it came out.  Use it for recording sessions, gigs, at home in the studio, everywhere.  It is a beauty.  Can't say a single bad thing about it.
Andrew
-- 
Andrew Duke
scoring/sound design/source
http://andrew-duke.com
http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Cognition Audioworks label
[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark]
http://cognitionaudioworks.com

--Boundary_(ID_Lk4OiZifBJ3bx8E8h/TmTg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 16:51:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 595623BEF9; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FMgZh1C5Bq+6m9djgXQtGjPgmHZM+fR0QqNGTj/DJaQ2/VhfNQDOrzl5K9KojVjlxgdnyB8hS/+kE0mbWtM3AHynQTOuv953bBZJM8YnyiPWEuJU1AtccwphawCfewH9BJ43m5RoDYYKYn2iAAmOWauWkBqcje9GLXy7h+MeG9g= ; Message-ID: <20060601135300.40423.qmail@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Buzap Subject: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'm new to the mailing list. Been occasionally looping one way or the other for many years (nothing fancy like the EDP) and - especially inspired by this list - want to get into looping more. I've ordered the Boss RC-50 loop station and am waiting for it. Reading the manual (http://www.roland.com/manuals/en/index_alpha.html ), I was a bit startled: If I record a sample ("phrase") and go into overdub, does that mean I have to stick to the initial phrase length no matter what? I wanted to do this: record 1 bar, then overdub 2-bar-pattern, then overdub 4-bar-pattern etc. Is there a reasonable way (like multiply) to do this? If not, what are recommended alternatives - other than sacrificing all the three parallel phrases? I can think of this: - Record samples with length X on Phrase1, record samples with length Y on Phrase2, then route 1+2 to Phrase3 and resample 1+2 to Phrase3 Anything more practical? It would really be a pity because I would like to be flexible concerning the overdub length. Nevertheless, I think the RC-50 is doing a lot of things right compared to RC-20 (3 phrases parallel in sync, midi sync, stereo!...) and I'm inpatiently awaiting my RC-50 and want to be ready when it arrives :-) best regards Buzap __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 17:52:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 415833BEEE; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jAGa3mVqilodazlzIREx9bDumzd1ZlLVHOTXOSP++tqMsD9M47tikJccEOiD38xlJoCzur/8YMsMDwONKIUdOGZ7wSejcVxQ1vO+9wjrJDwYMborj1jcotZoEy1WlEukwQ/zMKP+CkiwJ+RQBLDS5pfADH5VMorTf+dWlzpZrEM= ; Message-ID: <20060601175248.87871.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: Looping shoes (was: AW: Loopers-Delight on myspace?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060601074749.98985.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Here's the one I use: http://createdigitalmusic.com/?p=423 --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > ok cool now can u recomend some gloves for laptops? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 18:00:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1823BEF1; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <447F2B3E.2090001@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:00:30 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, Pop - VST Effect & Sound Card Problems References: <20060531235047.54175.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <03d801c6858c$5d3e7dd0$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <03d801c6858c$5d3e7dd0$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: I don't know if MAX/MSP will resolve the clicking > or popping I am hearing on just a few effects, such as a few Hipno > effects and some freebies like Deconstructure, Scuzzphut, etc. I really > don't know why this is happening with these few effects, espcially when > my buffer settings are totally good and processing is not an issue. It > is a mystery to me. I may ask Cycling 74 about this. Well it *is* happening with a number of fx apparently, not all Cycling74 stuff, so I don't see how they can help - the problem is most likely elsewhere. a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 18:23:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECD493BEEE; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JhjSjXHL8NC6t0PYgVnnJB1N/maVNXgTvXO5/CsFxhaTKwsUnMTLkKI6K9CnAVox/KLI88HAroBv6/MDFFtW2OoHqN5yaSG3xR76yVhfFEwW3meiehBSkVcSMV4ZORwsLXvJrN6IdYCHrLBEMDvSicQpRTs2OU8Ia4xA1OpLQR4= ; Message-ID: <20060601182301.2142.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02c401c68519$9859dae0$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:23:02 +0000 (UTC) I'd stay away from USB1 interfaces. I tried my M-Audio Audiofile USB on a 1.4 mhz Thinkpad and I wasn't able to get acceptable results in terms of latency. For almost no difference in money I was able to get an M-Audio Solo firewire interface that's been working vey nicely... although on a 1.2 mhz Powerbook. (Thinkpad doesn't have native firewire but PCM-CIA/Firewire converters are cheap) I think maybe the new Thinkpads do have firewire, as I almost bought one. Ended up with a Toshiba though, so wish me luck. It's being configured as we speak... --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I might give the M-Audio USB unit a try then. It's > not terribly expensive. So far I really like > M-audio gear, especially their solid state recorder. > I still like the Indigo IO, but plugging my guitar > chord into that thing with a 1/4 to 1/8 adpator > makes me nervous. It just hangs there, and easily > wiggles around. I bought a really high quality > instrument chord that is designed for computer use > (the Monster cable that goes from 1/4 to 1/8 and > doesn't require an adaptor), but the thing is so > thick and robust that it overpowers the input jack > of the IO. It's like I need some sort of harness > that will keep it stable in the input jack. > > Thanks. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Latency should be no problem if you're only using > a few channels. In > theory USB/Firewire devices are more suspectable > to bus contention > than a PCMCIA card, but if you only have one > high-speed device on the > bus it isn't an issue. Just avoid having the > audio interface, > scanner, video digitizer, and external backup hard > drive all going at > the same time :-) > > Historically firewire has had a better reputation > than USB, but > they're about the same now. USB is a bit > twitchier with hubs, you > have to be careful never to mix USB1 and USB2 > devices on the same hub. > If you're plugging directly into the computer > you're fine. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 18:45:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A86C53BEF0; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:45:22 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002501c685ab$89fa6c70$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060601182301.2142.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaFqG8B++LfNSUsR2W55MHVyoCSXgAApNmA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:45:27 +0000 (UTC) I'm currently using a Thinkpad for work (can't tell you the exact model = # though...R30?, a 1.5MHz Centrino), which does have Firewire, albeit only = one PCMCIA slot. My music laptop is a somewhat older Toshiba (Sattelite Pro 2600?), which I do like, so there might not even be need to wish you = luck (which I of course do anyway) > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2006 20:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users >=20 > I'd stay away from USB1 interfaces. I tried my M-Audio=20 > Audiofile USB on a 1.4 mhz Thinkpad and I wasn't able to get=20 > acceptable results in terms of latency. For almost no=20 > difference in money I was able to get an M-Audio Solo=20 > firewire interface that's been working vey nicely... although=20 > on a 1.2 mhz Powerbook. > (Thinkpad doesn't have native firewire but PCM-CIA/Firewire=20 > converters are cheap) >=20 > I think maybe the new Thinkpads do have firewire, as I almost=20 > bought one. Ended up with a Toshiba though, so wish me luck.=20 > It's being configured as we speak... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 18:49:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F6D83BEF4; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:49:28 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002601c685ac$1cb10470$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <447E12B3.5040302@addcom.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaE/g/n916phiSnT3KqSRnZmQPlFwAre39A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:49:32 +0000 (UTC) so much for free webhosting...the server is undergoing restructuring and = so the users' pages can't be reached for an indetermined amount of time :-( = > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de]=20 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2006 00:04 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online >=20 > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > or go via http://www.moinlabs.de/i_msa.htm >=20 > This will give me a 404 page not found error, has it moved?=20 > I'd love to hear it. >=20 > By the way, the reason for not being able to access your=20 > menus: They don't work on small screens, no way to scroll to=20 > the end. A little design flaw (I have a 12" screen on my powerbook) >=20 > Stefan >=20 > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 18:57:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8DA33BEF7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053f01c685ad$3ed487b0$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20060601182301.2142.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:57:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 580, in=318150, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <02PFDC.A.ZJG.hizfEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:57:37 +0000 (UTC) oddly, enought my ThinkPad T60p, which is basically the highest commercial model you can get in that series and is regarded as a mobile server, does not have firewire....baffles me. But if I can get a PCI converter, this works for me. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Audio Interface for Notebook Users > I'd stay away from USB1 interfaces. I tried my > M-Audio Audiofile USB on a 1.4 mhz Thinkpad and I > wasn't able to get acceptable results in terms of > latency. For almost no difference in money I was able > to get an M-Audio Solo firewire interface that's been > working vey nicely... although on a 1.2 mhz Powerbook. > (Thinkpad doesn't have native firewire but > PCM-CIA/Firewire converters are cheap) > > I think maybe the new Thinkpads do have firewire, as I > almost bought one. Ended up with a Toshiba though, so > wish me luck. It's being configured as we speak... > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I might give the M-Audio USB unit a try then. It's >> not terribly expensive. So far I really like >> M-audio gear, especially their solid state recorder. >> I still like the Indigo IO, but plugging my guitar >> chord into that thing with a 1/4 to 1/8 adpator >> makes me nervous. It just hangs there, and easily >> wiggles around. I bought a really high quality >> instrument chord that is designed for computer use >> (the Monster cable that goes from 1/4 to 1/8 and >> doesn't require an adaptor), but the thing is so >> thick and robust that it overpowers the input jack >> of the IO. It's like I need some sort of harness >> that will keep it stable in the input jack. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Latency should be no problem if you're only using >> a few channels. In >> theory USB/Firewire devices are more suspectable >> to bus contention >> than a PCMCIA card, but if you only have one >> high-speed device on the >> bus it isn't an issue. Just avoid having the >> audio interface, >> scanner, video digitizer, and external backup hard >> drive all going at >> the same time :-) >> >> Historically firewire has had a better reputation >> than USB, but >> they're about the same now. USB is a bit >> twitchier with hubs, you >> have to be careful never to mix USB1 and USB2 >> devices on the same hub. >> If you're plugging directly into the computer >> you're fine. >> >> Jeff >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 19:35:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 273733BEF1; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <054a01c685b2$8af78cf0$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <002601c685ac$1cb10470$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:35:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 580, in=318210, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Oh, we can't let this be a problem. :) I have uploaded the file here: http://www.box.net/public/zoe72jie60 Cheers, Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" so much for free webhosting...the server is undergoing restructuring and so the users' pages can't be reached for an indetermined amount of time :-( > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2006 00:04 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: First KYBERMUSIK recordings online > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > or go via http://www.moinlabs.de/i_msa.htm > > This will give me a 404 page not found error, has it moved? > I'd love to hear it. > > By the way, the reason for not being able to access your > menus: They don't work on small screens, no way to scroll to > the end. A little design flaw (I have a 12" screen on my powerbook) > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 20:18:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93B6F3BEE8; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:18:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071ABE@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060601182301.2142.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Audio Interface for Notebook Users Thread-Index: AcaFqGxeHb8W41TZRjOi90bAfCXnjAADscvA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: mark sottilaro >=20 > I'd stay away from USB1 interfaces. It is true that you should avoid USB 1.0 audio interfaces, but this is largely a dead issue now. All modern computers have USB 2.0 ports and all modern audio interfaces are USB 2.0. This is one of the reasons "USB" has a bad rap, because everyone remembers "USB 1.0". If your gear was built within the last 2 years and you are running Windows XP, you really have nothing to fear about USB. The only thing you have to be careful about is combining a mixture of USB1 devices (like mouse and keyboard) with USB2 devices on the same hub, because they will force all devices on that hub to use the slower USB1 data rate. Also using non-powered hubs with longer cables can be glithcy. All of this can be avoided by simply not using hubs or long cables with your audio interface, plug it directly into the computer with a 3' cable and you will be fine. If you're trying to resurrect an old computer as a dedicated audio appliance, that's another matter. Stick to PCI or PCMCIA. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 21:08:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881903BEE8; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C685BF.5A134A49" Subject: Use sampler to playback recording Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:07:11 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Use sampler to playback recording thread-index: AcaFrV0dSItR404qS3CRLcV0FpH6MgAEOJcw From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2006 21:07:12.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A38FDD0:01C685BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:08:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C685BF.5A134A49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I have experimented with recording "found sounds", burning to CD, playing the CD while I play Stick in live performance E.g. I play along to a 3min. recording I made of tree frog sounds I am considering the Roland Fantom XR (synth/sampler) for creating a wide variety of sounds from midi keybd. =20 Then it occurred to me that I could also load my recordings into it, and play them back during live performance - instead of using a CD player or iPod. (as long as they don't exceed avail memory). I've never used a h/w sampler before, but I think this would work - correct ?=20 http://www.roland.com/products/en/Fantom-XR/ -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C685BF.5A134A49 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Use sampler to playback recording

Hi
I have experimented with recording = "found sounds", burning to CD,  playing the CD while I = play Stick in live performance     E.g.   = I play along to a 3min. recording I made of tree frog sounds

I am considering the Roland Fantom XR = (synth/sampler) for creating a wide variety of sounds from midi = keybd. 

Then  it occurred to me that I = could also load my  recordings into it,  and play them back = during live performance - instead of using a CD player or iPod.  = (as long as they don't exceed avail memory).     = I've never used a h/w sampler before,  but I think this would work = - correct ?

http://www.roland.com/products/en/Fantom-XR/

-Qua

------_=_NextPart_001_01C685BF.5A134A49-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 21:14:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CCB93BEE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <0ef882a326937db42ad3b87092c32554@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Use sampler to playback recording Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:14:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Have you considered a laptop based sampler? There are plenty out there,=20= and you could use an expensive midi keyboard controller to trigger the=20= sounds...... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: > Hi > I have experimented with recording "found sounds", burning to CD,=A0=20= > playing the CD while I play Stick in live performance=A0=A0=A0=A0 = E.g.=A0=A0 I=20 > play along to a 3min. recording I made of tree frog sounds > > I am considering the Roland Fantom XR (synth/sampler) for creating a=20= > wide variety of sounds from midi keybd.=A0 > > Then=A0 it occurred to me that I could also load my=A0 recordings into=20= > it,=A0 and play them back during live performance - instead of using a=20= > CD player or iPod.=A0 (as long as they don't exceed avail memory).=A0=A0= =A0=A0=20 > I've never used a h/w sampler before,=A0 but I think this would work -=20= > correct ? > > http://www.roland.com/products/en/Fantom-XR/ > > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 21:16:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CEB43BEE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0ef882a326937db42ad3b87092c32554@pfmentum.com> References: <0ef882a326937db42ad3b87092c32554@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Use sampler to playback recording Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:16:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <_umq0B.A.TBD.yk1fEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:16:34 +0000 (UTC) oops! meant "inexpensive" midi keyboard controller! :-) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Have you considered a laptop based sampler? There are plenty out=20 > there, and you could use an expensive midi keyboard controller to=20 > trigger the sounds...... > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > > On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: > >> Hi >> I have experimented with recording "found sounds", burning to CD,=A0=20= >> playing the CD while I play Stick in live performance=A0=A0=A0=A0 = E.g.=A0=A0 I=20 >> play along to a 3min. recording I made of tree frog sounds >> >> I am considering the Roland Fantom XR (synth/sampler) for creating a=20= >> wide variety of sounds from midi keybd.=A0 >> >> Then=A0 it occurred to me that I could also load my=A0 recordings = into=20 >> it,=A0 and play them back during live performance - instead of using = a=20 >> CD player or iPod.=A0 (as long as they don't exceed avail = memory).=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 >> I've never used a h/w sampler before,=A0 but I think this would work = -=20 >> correct ? >> >> http://www.roland.com/products/en/Fantom-XR/ >> >> -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 23:12:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B47953BEDF; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AAdW3ag4J0iDzpvEkPOfNmmHKp9o5hW43OV6p6qlXRjJkQaPEIQdztxfX6oeAqg8JkNebOppwzRTaEFwI/QuT0xjYapDFN0gjcmJJPrp+40MwZ4A+WecbzwKuxJEyGhf3BL448WNLW7XMq/m/hwa4LyNrt/KgjNqY3NncDnx+Ms= Message-ID: <613c528b0606011612x2d4a85b2n173b063190c478c4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:12:26 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) In-Reply-To: <20060601135300.40423.qmail@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060601135300.40423.qmail@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey Buzap, It seems from the manual as though the solution (in multi mode) is to overdub on the other phrases, and depending on how the loop sync is set up the shorter phrases should either repeat within the longer phrase or in time with the begining of the longer phrase... I guess we'll see! I finally gave up on my Musician's Friend order last night and cancelled; I already have a FedEx tracking number from Bananas At Large. Perhaps the MF order would have showed up soon, but I was tired of guessing. I'll have mine on Monday. Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 1 23:40:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48A4F3BEE7; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vvhtN6xB2O2xO9FJdXrXDQT+4HU87/AULReKywC7lpnfgVNCcraFDNbxc59J9tmqHHtPBG44EAOqZJ2b4s1XggYQjvonSZ1xfB3LAcx+lW9fUUktwq+d+ApeDulLXJMzfx9krF3dw+JwQ+ovVJBT0evZ+wh08cSB27nb0cvJ8XE= ; Message-ID: <20060601234012.40040.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Use sampler to playback recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:40:14 +0000 (UTC) It honestly depends on how long your sound is before you want a repeat. Most samplers have a limited amount of memory. Going computer is good because a lot of sample programs will read off your hard drive. I still keep a Pioneer CDJ800 in my rig for much longer stuff and stuff I want to "scratch." --- Jeff Kaiser wrote: > oops! > > meant "inexpensive" midi keyboard controller! > > :-) > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com > > > On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > > Have you considered a laptop based sampler? There > are plenty out > > there, and you could use an expensive midi > keyboard controller to > > trigger the sounds...... > > > > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > > pfMENTUM.com � AngryVegan.com > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Veda, Qua wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> I have experimented with recording "found > sounds", burning to CD,� > >> playing the CD while I play Stick in live > performance���� E.g.�� I > >> play along to a 3min. recording I made of tree > frog sounds > >> > >> I am considering the Roland Fantom XR > (synth/sampler) for creating a > >> wide variety of sounds from midi keybd.� > >> > >> Then� it occurred to me that I could also load > my� recordings into > >> it,� and play them back during live performance - > instead of using a > >> CD player or iPod.� (as long as they don't exceed > avail memory).���� > >> I've never used a h/w sampler before,� but I > think this would work - > >> correct ? > >> > >> http://www.roland.com/products/en/Fantom-XR/ > >> > >> -Qua > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 00:03:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF6B3BEDC; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bb01c685d8$035f1170$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions-Time Compression Expansion Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:03:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: <3BET5B.A.09G.kB4fEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) I just read on the Harmony Central Forums that the time compression expansion is horrible! The sound gets all warbled etc...IS this true, because if it is this totally screws up one of the main features I was going to exploit for mixing on the fly looping and some pre-recorded loops....???????? Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions > no worries man, when i reread the misinterpreted message i easily see that > you were being sardonic in regard to roland, not me, so i apologize as well. > > even though the absolute perfect looping device has yet to see release, > seems like we're still pretty lucky to live in this era of rapidly > progressing music / communication technology. > i'm amazed that we're able to have this conversation at all, and that this > subject for discussion even exists. > best regards. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 00:27:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B329E3BEE2; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zEmkgm26jDc72h1xsR9p1w8NtmeJXv+jpVMB06EcYbFSTvbz3dxFgdipghFj60o06J6qosXzC9K7FaOPLSr3MnY4adztt7Zmir3pvFuGTjXsL+cvlLSo3C3piaEu6p6sGy9uMUac33m6juF4/LgKDbcEagSc7wfYWUI+Lk7jxjs= ; Message-ID: <20060602002711.60425.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Audio Interface for Notebook Users To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071ABE@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:27:13 +0000 (UTC) You've got to be careful, there are actually a lot of usb1 devices on the market: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/AudiophileUSB-focus.html --- jeff larson wrote: > > From: mark sottilaro > > > > I'd stay away from USB1 interfaces. > > It is true that you should avoid USB 1.0 audio > interfaces, but this is > largely a dead issue now. All modern computers have > USB 2.0 ports and > all modern audio interfaces are USB 2.0. > > This is one of the reasons "USB" has a bad rap, > because everyone > remembers "USB 1.0". If your gear was built within > the last 2 years > and you are running Windows XP, you really have > nothing to fear about > USB. > > The only thing you have to be careful about is > combining a mixture > of USB1 devices (like mouse and keyboard) with USB2 > devices > on the same hub, because they will force all devices > on that > hub to use the slower USB1 data rate. Also using > non-powered hubs > with longer cables can be glithcy. All of this can > be avoided by > simply not using hubs or long cables with your audio > interface, plug > it directly into the computer with a 3' cable and > you will be fine. > > If you're trying to resurrect an old computer as a > dedicated audio > appliance, that's another matter. Stick to PCI or > PCMCIA. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 05:31:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC963BEE6; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 05:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=HwcDwAJB+4I2r5fiZZ9oXEwi8aRKZUzGIHjlAT5JHZt7e38fBtv4ByJ60CMzdTpX/VezfxYHZvfK9CdwvdvXkRgFHWzBf8VjX7PAMe1HAvd44pC8BEFO8Z7r1/dWWscRemLAQ5oOAaqixs4NsgYD4OzJswf+IGhMQ7Q6/01HjUQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120606012231k1bef0853r5a715dbe47f72d4d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 01:31:16 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Pastorius -- looper? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 660fe25d53c7d576 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 05:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Did this already come up?! I just saw the video of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light and Jaco does a great looped version of Third Stone From The Sun where he hits the bass to get the percussion! A little hard to see the looper but it feels like a Super Timeline... -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 06:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3E9B3BEE7; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NQeY3qSwmMyQ6L6DwIn+xNI4k7hVtJEaqH1dFWqwXgSn3jcDNon0ZF9O8191e3y3; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21215547.1149230587469.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:43:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pastorius -- looper? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4875fb8871e898ce0faede91c083064ce48498dd5c8d2f0fb0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.38 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:43:08 +0000 (UTC) ummm yeah-we had quite a discussion 'bout this a while ago-gotta be in the archives... someone probably has a more accurate time table. 1st looping i ever experienced was indeed JACO(playin w/ WeatherReport tho'.) s -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Ritchford >Sent: Jun 1, 2006 10:31 PM >To: Loopers-Delight >Subject: Pastorius -- looper? > >Did this already come up?! > >I just saw the video of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light and Jaco >does a great looped version of Third Stone From The Sun where he hits >the bass to get the percussion! > >A little hard to see the looper but it feels like a Super Timeline... > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar >http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... >http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 07:50:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC7B3BEE9; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007b01c68550$1eaf2330$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "Buzap" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <20060601135300.40423.qmail@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:50:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Buzap asked about recording overdubs with different lengths in the RC-20The only two hardware instruments that will let you do this now are the EDP ($900-$1,000 if you can find one) and the Looperlative ($1500). There might be a software solution (software folks, do you want to chime in here?) or you could use an RC-20 and an RC-50 in series. Record your first loop on the RC-20 and the resample it four times on the RC-50 I do this a lot with two Line 6 DL-4s but they don't have more than about two bars of loop length unlike the RC-50 The advantage of the RC-20-50 solution is that at any time you can kill the second loop at the same time you retrigger the first loop (RC-20) and you, in effect, go back in time. One advantage of this is that you really get your timing together to be negotiating hitting stop with your left foot as you hit play with your right foot while simultaneously playing something on top of it. good luck, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 08:57:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48D1A3BEEE; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=wZJ2Qsz5U8Xy4OyJkGgvAtlszKjlu0GRbZ66GiAUoKYUBUzg0KZGsJ2lPMN4hl0CC6+INWfEejynZYQs3gZfYdxf7ZZqGLjbfbkpO2zY+NxvERU/6BKGgWJ/Qgzh9hPELAPv9LZVzrhF2HXfQ6wIuE7HK3E1PmX/oApzkQdX7sY= ; Message-ID: <004d01c68622$9a53c8b0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060601135300.40423.qmail@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:57:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <9fJd_C.A.EcD.I2_fEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC) > - Record samples with length X on Phrase1, record > samples with length Y on Phrase2, then route 1+2 to > Phrase3 and resample 1+2 to Phrase3 > > Anything more practical? Wouldn't something like the following be possible with a patch cable going from SUB Out to Input? Record IN on Phrase1 Record IN + Phrase 1 (MIX) on Phrase 2. Just guessing. Relative to feedback: If I've read correctly you have a 3-tracks mixer where 100% means "same volume as input" and this can go from 0 to 200%. So with following settings: - guitar to "Input L" - recording mode to mono - setting the track output to both "MAIN out" and "SUB out" ( MAIN connected to Amp.) - using a cable from the "SUB out L" to "Input R" (are the inputs summed when mono recording is used?). - setting the track playback volume to 80%. - using the overdub mode = replace. woudn't a kind of 80% feedback be possible? first run: 100% guitar recorded 2nd run: 100% guitar +80%(first run) 3rd run: 100% guitar +80%(second run) ... Just thinking aloud. I don't have tried the beast. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 10:04:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A385E3BEDA; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:04:30 +0200 Message-ID: <005801c6862b$f3ac7840$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Please also check Per Boysen's "Comparison Chart of Looping Devices" http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php which has a link to Software Loopers (http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6) Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 11:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 628093BEE6; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aa5aZ+KJwPnZ7gfygpxkY9Y+KvXBApWve0SxWctzkyc2R4VP09394ev3TXTWFfR+; h=Received:Mime-Version:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060601135300.40423.qmail@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <20060601135300.40423.qmail@web55613.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:02:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Seth Elgart Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: ee12615d604f70d6d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcc424f6be7ae0abf880aa599a10621ce7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.131.197 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:02:54 +0000 (UTC) At 6:53 AM -0700 6/1/06, Buzap wrote: >If I record a sample ("phrase") and go into overdub, >does that mean I have to stick to the initial phrase >length no matter what? >I wanted to do this: record 1 bar, then overdub >2-bar-pattern, then overdub 4-bar-pattern etc. >Is there a reasonable way (like multiply) to do this? Why not do it the old fashioned way, by playing it by hand? Play the first one bar pattern through four times, then play the second two bar pattern twice, then play the four bar pattern once. This way you have three different length phrases, except that as far as the looper's concerned they're all four bars. As long as you're not playing sevens against eights or something this will work fine. You could do that too if you're willing to play the patterns by hand eight times and seven times respectively, and if the looper can record a phrase of that length. On the other hand, if you want 11 against 13, then you'll have to record 143 measures before they'll line up again. In the late 80s/early 90s I was working on a "sound track" for a play. I had a piece that was about 3.5 minutes long, with a burbling-along arpeggio running throughout, but they wanted it to be twice that because that's how long the scene was. For the original, I simply played the four-note arpeggio eight times, then made that loop (I was using Performer, or maybe a hardware digital sequencer). Very simple. However, when we re-recorded that for the play, the studio had only the one tape machine and no computers or other looping devices. I had to sit there and play that dang arpeggio by hand for seven minutes. It took me an hour of trying before I managed to play it perfectly all the way through, and I had to throw everyone out of the room to do it. The Human Sequencer. What was I talking about? Oh, yeah. The moral of this little story is to not worry about the possible lack of functionality of the hardware in question, but to simply play the different length patterns by hand. It'll work just fine. Seth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 13:15:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F320C3BEE8; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120606012231k1bef0853r5a715dbe47f72d4d@mail.gmail.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Pastorius -- looper? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:15:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2006 13:15:48.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9E09BE0:01C68646] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:15:50 +0000 (UTC) It was the good old MXR ddl... >From: "Tom Ritchford" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight >Subject: Pastorius -- looper? >Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 01:31:16 -0400 > >Did this already come up?! > >I just saw the video of Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light and Jaco >does a great looped version of Third Stone From The Sun where he hits >the bass to get the percussion! > >A little hard to see the looper but it feels like a Super Timeline... > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar >http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... >http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 14:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775C03BEF1; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:14:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Pastorius -- looper? X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120606012231k1bef0853r5a715dbe47f72d4d@mail.gmail.com> References: <26ba8d120606012231k1bef0853r5a715dbe47f72d4d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--4eb20717b663ed5859" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----4eb20717b663ed5859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit undefined ----4eb20717b663ed5859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out "Slang" from 8:30 for a similar performance.

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----4eb20717b663ed5859-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 14:18:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4253BEF3; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 thread-index: AcaGNBlyYyQIyQtZR2qx1Ydvtf4UawAGn60A Message-Id: <20060602141800.3A92B3BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:18:01 +0000 (UTC) That would work as you described but it takes a longer to build the music bed in front of a live audience. If there were A/B/C sections to the tunes and 10-15 tunes per set, the process of building the song would get 'musically tiresome'. Also, if the loop could be of varying lengths, I could imagine it being a more natural form of entry because I think in terms of repeating phrases for each part and not thinking which of the loops is the longest and adjust from there. > -----Original Message----- > From: Seth Elgart [mailto:selgart@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:03 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) > > At 6:53 AM -0700 6/1/06, Buzap wrote: > >If I record a sample ("phrase") and go into overdub, > >does that mean I have to stick to the initial phrase > >length no matter what? > >I wanted to do this: record 1 bar, then overdub > >2-bar-pattern, then overdub 4-bar-pattern etc. > >Is there a reasonable way (like multiply) to do this? > > Why not do it the old fashioned way, by playing it by hand? Play the > first one bar pattern through four times, then play the second two > bar pattern twice, then play the four bar pattern once. This way you > have three different length phrases, except that as far as the > looper's concerned they're all four bars. As long as you're not > playing sevens against eights or something this will work fine. You > could do that too if you're willing to play the patterns by hand > eight times and seven times respectively, and if the looper can > record a phrase of that length. On the other hand, if you want 11 > against 13, then you'll have to record 143 measures before they'll > line up again. > > In the late 80s/early 90s I was working on a "sound track" for a > play. I had a piece that was about 3.5 minutes long, with a > burbling-along arpeggio running throughout, but they wanted it to be > twice that because that's how long the scene was. For the original, I > simply played the four-note arpeggio eight times, then made that loop > (I was using Performer, or maybe a hardware digital sequencer). Very > simple. However, when we re-recorded that for the play, the studio > had only the one tape machine and no computers or other looping > devices. I had to sit there and play that dang arpeggio by hand for > seven minutes. It took me an hour of trying before I managed to play > it perfectly all the way through, and I had to throw everyone out of > the room to do it. The Human Sequencer. > > What was I talking about? Oh, yeah. The moral of this little story is > to not worry about the possible lack of functionality of the hardware > in question, but to simply play the different length patterns by > hand. > > It'll work just fine. > > > > Seth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 14:20:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D1DA3BEE6; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Dx4SICIw9r25dxGgweXKjBLNviduxU7Qg/yr3JvTYqU76POtCcP5hsD7U8d+rUR+aT2lJldyNxO67HnVpmgvMXa3MIDhQbc9NH1bKYNzdEG3NXmkUgKALufLk5dgPVmzrEDQtDniMsWkpTD5P8B62vmrDlVNxVDo9kXPs+Lq9yI= ; Message-ID: <20060602142052.90341.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions-Time Compression Expansion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00bb01c685d8$035f1170$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Any time compression/expansion is going to give you some type of sound degredation, but check out an Electrix Repeater. It's really good and when it gets "bad" it's good-bad. Really, if you're looking for that as your main feature the Repeater is the king. Mark --- Sean Mormelo wrote: > I just read on the Harmony Central Forums that the > time compression > expansion is horrible! The sound gets all warbled > etc...IS this true, > because if it is this totally screws up one of the > main features I was going > to exploit for mixing on the fly looping and some > pre-recorded > loops....???????? > > Sean Mormelo > www.seanmormelo.com > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathan Stueve" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions > > > > no worries man, when i reread the misinterpreted > message i easily see that > > you were being sardonic in regard to roland, not > me, so i apologize as > well. > > > > even though the absolute perfect looping device > has yet to see release, > > seems like we're still pretty lucky to live in > this era of rapidly > > progressing music / communication technology. > > i'm amazed that we're able to have this > conversation at all, and that this > > subject for discussion even exists. > > best regards. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 14:50:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87F793BEEA; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=CBnNL1yszyW/nSIf7pz8F1sSr21TT4gKnv8Uhe7xEBj8SOoKSpKxuB1kaPnfBb66mj0vM9SW9V3mea+r/fsxlqiz2GygwhYuxEef+VJ5hEcI+Ci4ncZ/WoGusDkaK2F44qNKPOe7XhO0viyrXlLaM2MipTDyoU84vcKIcS57v4g= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:50:20 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 124f163f69f9c93e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:50:21 +0000 (UTC) > Please also check Per Boysen's "Comparison Chart of Looping Devices" > http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php > which has a link to Software Loopers (http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6) Hi, would just like to point out that Augustus Loop does have multiply now (the chart says it doesn't), though, as ever, it's a non-standard implementation of the feature. If you turn off the 'tape inertia' feature, then you can change the loop length to anything you like, while you're looping, with no glitches. So you can record a phrase and later change the loop time to e.g. four times the original length - which is effectively a multiply. The joy of the complete flexibility this gives you is that you could e.g. record an 8 beat phrase and then change the delay time to 11 beats. So you have fractional multiplies going on, if you so desire. Same applies in reverse - you can change the loop time to lower than the original time. So e.g. go from 4/4 to 3/4 seamlessly if you like. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 15:32:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89CF43BEEA; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=52Ptzx94XGfKg1fHheg2A1DusjD6jb0dnU9n95z4jhtTBKvbkm76GZd357/QCCD+97tfDEGZJYfQHJ8ezG28k5VO7sHVbsZDcnkBADJiwKIwNR6JLVB44JEoZSBtIsm3Ax7RPJTRYQ6zEH2ikpI6YFcW0uEUY+QWpmWgeY+C6lU= ; Message-ID: <20060602153228.79503.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:32:28 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Mac v.s Pc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1014463172-1149262348=:78807" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:32:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-1014463172-1149262348=:78807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! 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Until now I have used pc and m-audio workstation, but I consider to buy me a Mac. In this jungel of information, can someone give me advise on what to buy so that I have a complete system for making music. What Mac, interface and sound-card ?
 
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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1014463172-1149262348=:78807-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 15:48:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B843BEF1; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mcDXhndb9z50qgEPNJlxKV4pxmC3Nfo4KKj6c+d2vpmO3XfT+5twU4thRguazhL7aOh3JESDDx9nFQ95yeEt183ploIeikvimzJLnVEvFcFQX1C/9cZkcJCq1MA14NKImqoWrE75+B1XonSdGuw5IQUs6jtcHLAFwUAHOo+LQBs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8EDB762F-FDEF-4F3B-9840-CB3A5F79A475@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:48:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:48:33 +0000 (UTC) >> Please also check Per Boysen's "Comparison Chart of Looping Devices" >> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php >> which has a link to Software Loopers (http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6) > On 2 jun 2006, at 16.50, Os wrote: > > Hi, > > would just like to point out that Augustus Loop does have multiply now > (the chart says it doesn't), though, as ever, it's a non-standard > implementation of the feature. Oops.... Sorry, I forgot about that, although I've used that feature myself quite a lot (really cool, as is the "trias" button, BTW). I'll update that chart tonight. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 15:52:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 647C63BEEA; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dAyiSPOKvGPXf0/aFT0reT3jJf8bGq8Jq8A6cnJsg74It01H4+zAvtB/1ZWcFyG7mtiQKIJ63Y8XfN7mnVVVQ6yTPlk/FSCFujxiry5/3iJ7vq5IyJPS1XJmdcJFAu09rufP5BbrEqVjcpxypQR4vGFk7Ur1+3uPnJWli7skrJI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060602153228.79503.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060602153228.79503.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F0C0EE0-1627-405C-BF6B-84076A9F78B5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:52:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <9GZ0CC.A.k3H.H7FgEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) On 2 jun 2006, at 17.32, rune fagereng wrote: > Until now I have used pc and m-audio workstation, but I consider to > buy me a Mac. In this jungel of information, can someone give me > advise on what to buy so that I have a complete system for making > music. What Mac, interface and sound-card ? Check the archives, there have been lots of posts on this. It's just impossible to answer when you do not spell out your preferences and ambitions for the system. It's like if someone ask you "I want to go to another city, which cars should I buy" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 16:16:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 542213BEE2; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.11.159] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00bb01c685d8$035f1170$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions-Time Compression Expansion Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:15:55 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2006 16:15:59.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5F42440:01C6865F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:16:01 +0000 (UTC) i'm sorry to confirm that this IS true. unless you keep the loops at the (exact) original tempo they sound like utter shite, crazy warbled, even if you only change the tempo a little bit. i would go even further to say that the sound quality appears to be rather inconsistent when the pedal is run as a midi slave. no warbling at all if the pedal is the master, but the sound seems prone to chaotic fluttering if you do very many overdubs in slave mode. the pedal is still pretty useful for me, but i have to admit i'm fairly unimpressed with these limitations, if only because roland is making claims about the capabilities of this device that are not validated by reality. will it be adressed in future production runs or some kind of firmware update? i don't know, but it's unfortunate. >From: "Sean Mormelo" >Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" >To: >Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions-Time Compression Expansion >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:03:43 -0800 > >I just read on the Harmony Central Forums that the time compression >expansion is horrible! The sound gets all warbled etc...IS this true, >because if it is this totally screws up one of the main features I was >going >to exploit for mixing on the fly looping and some pre-recorded >loops....???????? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 16:48:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C51C53BEF8; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2133.128.193.37.230.1149266911.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:48:35 +0000 (UTC) >> Please also check Per Boysen's "Comparison Chart of Looping Devices" >> http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php >> which has a link to Software Loopers (http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6) How about adding the Boss GigaDelay? Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 17:50:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61B133BEF3; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5qX44aCqESfzoAj/u2XO55IoNVcX+kIEAuSel/7JCbgZl1C0I932UYNdInlnEbTtnmMbXngKdxLLizcZNSn8v2yV1Ro4HK1jmUYmwFJNU/tL8mO+xpxNNpN/3d73gTfQDiZJ8W2X3+NIY0U4tm+z1zF7MsHya7J6Wmy7lg0ZDCw= ; Message-ID: <20060602175025.63910.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4F0C0EE0-1627-405C-BF6B-84076A9F78B5@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:50:31 +0000 (UTC) When I set out to build a system I went with a dual 1 gighz G4 and I went totally MOTU with a microexpress, 828 and Digital Performer (now up to v5) I've been consistantly happy with it. It's stable for the most part (don't try and close a project without saving!) and quick to work in once you know it's ins-and outs. The time from purchase to recording was very quick and I've never spend an evening troubleshooting some odd program. It just seems to consistantly work. Is it better than a PC? Hard to say as I've yet to try using a XP box for music (but it's on it's way...) I work with PCs and Macs doing Graphic design and I'm still of the mind that the Mac OS is just better designed. Perhaps it's just that I know it better, but I often feel like things that are easy on a mac are often complicated troubleshooting fests on XP systems. I remember spending hours trying to get a midi interface to work using a girlfriends Win98 laptop and it never ended up happening. Luckily XP seems to have come a long way toward their promise of "Plug n' Play." I think at this point it comes down to "what software do I want to use?" If the answer is "Logic" or "Digital Performer" than the answer is a Mac. If it's FL Studio 6 than you're on the way to a Win-tel box. Recently I ordered a Win-tel laptop because of 2 reasons. Reason number one was I was able to save a little cash. Reason number two was I'm interested in playing around with Mobius and it's PC only. The other app I'm interested in is Reaktor and they're months away from a Mac-tel compatable version and it seemed silly to have to sink money into a second OS for a Macbook. They're cute and nicely priced, but I'd rather have a bigger screen and video card. Who knows, in a month I may be cursing the day I ordered it. My guess is that with my tinkering nature I'll probably get it working. Per's inspired me to give it a try anyway. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 2 jun 2006, at 17.32, rune fagereng wrote: > > > Until now I have used pc and m-audio workstation, > but I consider to > > buy me a Mac. In this jungel of information, can > someone give me > > advise on what to buy so that I have a complete > system for making > > music. What Mac, interface and sound-card ? > > Check the archives, there have been lots of posts on > this. It's just > impossible to answer when you do not spell out your > preferences and > ambitions for the system. It's like if someone ask > you "I want to go > to another city, which cars should I buy" ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 18:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A923BEF0; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PgtGzPHYabag/6CJFg+F8Y8C/4kbkyWrmTMrRzSxQST0Gaj0wsc/ON1Q1odbXJ4jUPIBjLZ4RbNvX5D1NeaqNJJVkvv+UuZwKgF1JWnIEaqwj8I9PPKIpW+OhElotti3yoUZGM5AF68Weri+xlbN9M7ptTBy30RpDa+zeTPjGTY= ; Message-ID: <20060602185039.35449.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) I may be wrong but I think the Looperlative is the only box out there that allows multiple tracks of different lengths synced or not synced to each other. Mark --- Seth Elgart wrote: > At 6:53 AM -0700 6/1/06, Buzap wrote: > >If I record a sample ("phrase") and go into > overdub, > >does that mean I have to stick to the initial > phrase > >length no matter what? > >I wanted to do this: record 1 bar, then overdub > >2-bar-pattern, then overdub 4-bar-pattern etc. > >Is there a reasonable way (like multiply) to do > this? > > Why not do it the old fashioned way, by playing it > by hand? Play the > first one bar pattern through four times, then play > the second two > bar pattern twice, then play the four bar pattern > once. This way you > have three different length phrases, except that as > far as the > looper's concerned they're all four bars. As long as > you're not > playing sevens against eights or something this will > work fine. You > could do that too if you're willing to play the > patterns by hand > eight times and seven times respectively, and if the > looper can > record a phrase of that length. On the other hand, > if you want 11 > against 13, then you'll have to record 143 measures > before they'll > line up again. > > In the late 80s/early 90s I was working on a "sound > track" for a > play. I had a piece that was about 3.5 minutes long, > with a > burbling-along arpeggio running throughout, but they > wanted it to be > twice that because that's how long the scene was. > For the original, I > simply played the four-note arpeggio eight times, > then made that loop > (I was using Performer, or maybe a hardware digital > sequencer). Very > simple. However, when we re-recorded that for the > play, the studio > had only the one tape machine and no computers or > other looping > devices. I had to sit there and play that dang > arpeggio by hand for > seven minutes. It took me an hour of trying before I > managed to play > it perfectly all the way through, and I had to throw > everyone out of > the room to do it. The Human Sequencer. > > What was I talking about? Oh, yeah. The moral of > this little story is > to not worry about the possible lack of > functionality of the hardware > in question, but to simply play the different length > patterns by > hand. > > It'll work just fine. > > > > Seth > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 19:25:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35D0C3BEE0; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44809090.7070301@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:25:04 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs References: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > It appears that you can write your own VST using > SynthEdit, PD and Max. I have a basic understanding of C++ and Java, > and I'd be interested in coding my own, but I don't have the first > idea how to go about it. Anybody out there want to share their > experiences? With Max/MSP its a snap, you can download all documentation, the plugin specific stuff is coming with pluggo, if you finish your own pluggo within 30 days, you could even do it without paying for Max... (but its addicting, you might want to do anotherone) I can give you a hand... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 19:43:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D4113BEF5; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=myYAJ+XiINuE6tesYtMmb6H5Ja/LnBejr6JWNyyPvykW6Y8RD110s8x72fceJv6HXtgV8bbWPM5+EQks9rXkcK4aEzLkJj5oqipw0F+qagzsK2RwWVNVWDKnS71EcBLhx0ZQ/6LimaFCdOPUA64CD0zkTFPVxe4ltIOmxPlU2IA= ; Message-ID: <20060602071647.34896.qmail@web55609.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Buzap Subject: Re: Use sampler to playback recording To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi Qua if you can live with mono: have you considered getting the Digitech Jamman? I think it is a quite elegant solution for live playback: You put your songs on a 2GB Compact Flashcard (or have several so you can swap). You could even get a foot switch and switch on-the-fly between various parts of a song or to the next song. best regards Buzap __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 20:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 410023BEE0; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fcUM19zghUqWeKgfzooSi0Fz2gmEbNZ9Qhy8R2eNiYQHsBTjGw53N80SYfk5izxhAKjGIlziYxG965CQ0vgqmHExRedUqYn7y/HcOMmSZ8i+i/ZMhGgU9z/B4F1awIueXmin0qBFpIE0kasvdO0GAzcAqdNKv+figUE5WYi376w= Message-ID: <588ce11d0606021303sbab19e4q802c348b5892fa7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:03:21 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs In-Reply-To: <44809090.7070301@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> <44809090.7070301@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <-W9q8.A.M3.MmJgEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Stefan, I'm sold on Max. I've been dragging my feet about upgrading (I'm an old Max user who used to do Midi stuff on a Mac Plus). I'm curious what you mean that "the plugin specific stuff is coming with pluggo". Do I need to purchase Pluggo in addition to Max? On 6/2/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > With Max/MSP its a snap, you can download all documentation, the plugin > specific stuff is coming with pluggo, if you finish your own pluggo > within 30 days, you could even do it without paying for Max... (but its > addicting, you might want to do anotherone) > I can give you a hand... > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 20:13:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBF013BEDF; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QifWYq3TPHf/e2Y8bhERLybTuRscbzEZtcFB1nKUu6cTkBMJ6hVcUDVeJFxqzAXghcmyFIvI6oOMs1ZpANPp3/uGp0KpcKj0KcwnaE4xWHD1bGe0D0NMeHKT5rcDrEGlQ6kCX0AyqQWZPMuEKXw9hpJuqB69KvQXuCKUXzcfHOM= ; Message-ID: <20060602201335.66753.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:13:35 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Mac v.s Pc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060602175025.63910.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1580787332-1149279215=:61854" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:13:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1580787332-1149279215=:61854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Thanks for your answer. I have seen that MOTU 828 has done greate on tests in Norwegian magazines. If I was to go for a powerful laptop, are the intel Macs the latest, and best thing ? Since I am used to my pc-labtops build in sound, will there be a a big difference if a buy interface and mac ? Rune F. mark sottilaro skrev: When I set out to build a system I went with a dual 1 gighz G4 and I went totally MOTU with a microexpress, 828 and Digital Performer (now up to v5) I've been consistantly happy with it. It's stable for the most part (don't try and close a project without saving!) and quick to work in once you know it's ins-and outs. The time from purchase to recording was very quick and I've never spend an evening troubleshooting some odd program. It just seems to consistantly work. Is it better than a PC? Hard to say as I've yet to try using a XP box for music (but it's on it's way...) I work with PCs and Macs doing Graphic design and I'm still of the mind that the Mac OS is just better designed. Perhaps it's just that I know it better, but I often feel like things that are easy on a mac are often complicated troubleshooting fests on XP systems. I remember spending hours trying to get a midi interface to work using a girlfriends Win98 laptop and it never ended up happening. Luckily XP seems to have come a long way toward their promise of "Plug n' Play." I think at this point it comes down to "what software do I want to use?" If the answer is "Logic" or "Digital Performer" than the answer is a Mac. If it's FL Studio 6 than you're on the way to a Win-tel box. Recently I ordered a Win-tel laptop because of 2 reasons. Reason number one was I was able to save a little cash. Reason number two was I'm interested in playing around with Mobius and it's PC only. The other app I'm interested in is Reaktor and they're months away from a Mac-tel compatable version and it seemed silly to have to sink money into a second OS for a Macbook. They're cute and nicely priced, but I'd rather have a bigger screen and video card. Who knows, in a month I may be cursing the day I ordered it. My guess is that with my tinkering nature I'll probably get it working. Per's inspired me to give it a try anyway. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 2 jun 2006, at 17.32, rune fagereng wrote: > > > Until now I have used pc and m-audio workstation, > but I consider to > > buy me a Mac. In this jungel of information, can > someone give me > > advise on what to buy so that I have a complete > system for making > > music. What Mac, interface and sound-card ? > > Check the archives, there have been lots of posts on > this. It's just > impossible to answer when you do not spell out your > preferences and > ambitions for the system. It's like if someone ask > you "I want to go > to another city, which cars should I buy" ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hi !
 
Thanks for your answer. I have seen that MOTU 828 has done greate on tests in Norwegian magazines.
 
If I was to go for a powerful laptop, are the intel Macs the latest, and best thing ?
 
Since I am used to my pc-labtops build in sound, will there be a a big difference if a buy interface and mac ?
 
Rune F. 

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> skrev:
When I set out to build a system I went with a dual 1
gighz G4 and I went totally MOTU with a microexpress,
828 and Digital Performer (now up to v5)

I've been consistantly happy with it. It's stable for
the most part (don't try and close a project without
saving!) and quick to work in once you know it's
ins-and outs. The time from purchase to recording was
very quick and I've never spend an evening
troubleshooting some odd program. It just seems to
consistantly work.

Is it better than a PC? Hard to say as I've yet to
try using a XP box for music (but it's on it's way...)

I work with PCs and Macs doing Graphic design and I'm
still of the mind that the Mac OS is just better
designed. Perhaps it's just that I know it better,
but I often feel like things that are easy on a mac
are often complicated troubleshooting fests on XP
systems. I remember spending hours trying to get a
midi interface to work using a girlfriends Win98
laptop and it never ended up happening. Luckily XP
seems to have come a long way toward their promise of
"Plug n' Play."

I think at this point it comes down to "what software
do I want to use?" If the answer is "Logic" or
"Digital Performer" than the answer is a Mac. If it's
FL Studio 6 than you're on the way to a Win-tel box.

Recently I ordered a Win-tel laptop because of 2
reasons. Reason number one was I was able to save a
little cash. Reason number two was I'm interested in
playing around with Mobius and it's PC only. The
other app I'm interested in is Reaktor and they're
months away from a Mac-tel compatable version and it
seemed silly to have to sink money into a second OS
for a Macbook. They're cute and nicely priced, but
I'd rather have a bigger screen and video card.

Who knows, in a month I may be cursing the day I
ordered it. My guess is that with my tinkering nature
I'll probably get it working. Per's inspired me to
give it a try anyway.

Mark

--- Per Boysen wrote:

> On 2 jun 2006, at 17.32, rune fagereng wrote:
>
> > Until now I have used pc and m-audio workstation,
> but I consider to
> > buy me a Mac. In this jungel of information, can
> someone give me
> > advise on what to buy so that I have a complete
> system for making
> > music. What Mac, interface and sound-card ?
>
> Check the archives, there have been lots of posts on
> this. It's just
> impossible to answer when you do not spell out your
> preferences and
> ambitions for the system. It's like if someone ask
> you "I want to go
> to another city, which cars should I buy" ;-)
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
>
>
>
>
>


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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1580787332-1149279215=:61854-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 20:18:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB3FB3BEDF; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AKXuHUmnJFDlrOX61YgXoHH/d63Kht2FhyXIpI8kBzqhhGmMYy0G5As4KVhbHbDaCoNdSzgN15vLoe6u4pdvOHpyNyC9SVfPVXx4Y8T1PWn8fbdaB94uBnMtWoT4KBQLbsf3dAM8ZhCtbAdO25n72/RbcQ4e6SOxwkLpzq+b2K0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0606021303sbab19e4q802c348b5892fa7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> <44809090.7070301@addcom.de> <588ce11d0606021303sbab19e4q802c348b5892fa7f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1429990B-8030-4426-87EB-2F5137CC8C54@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:18:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) On 2 jun 2006, at 22.03, Art Simon wrote: > I'm curious what you mean that "the plugin specific stuff is coming > with pluggo". Do I need to purchase Pluggo in addition to Max? (Chiming in here) From the "PluggoDevGuide35.pdf" that comes with Pluggo: > Plug-in Development > > This manual describes how to use the audio plug-in construction > tools in Max/MSP. These tools > consist of nine Max/MSP objects and a host interface that loads > plug-ins built in Max/MSP and > creates an interface for them that appears to a host audio program > as an audio plug-in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 20:26:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD9B53BEE9; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZCyqnxxqbNRwZLmj/sQCUkHrjDxPTfb/86zCogu5YGToHRg6fcYHQxveyyfjT2ytFAaWpDQV2fNravMtPqcF1rDhpdRHlmzaYmAvM/wak6lwvwVJlm1WOV0I5LY0TNbVWzxhKTwz6oCaGH8RmWeUKvKSFAdYUPcV05iKsOlGg50= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060602201335.66753.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060602201335.66753.qmail@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Mac v.s Pc Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:26:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:26:06 +0000 (UTC) On 2 jun 2006, at 22.13, rune fagereng wrote: > If I was to go for a powerful laptop, are the intel Macs the > latest, and best thing ? Yes. I've done test lab sessions for Musician mags on this matter and the Intel Macs are a much better deal than the G5 macs - if you make sure you go for the dual core types. A dual G5 may be a little more powerful (and a lot more expensive) but it won't run all new Intel optimized software that is coming out. The only situation I think can justify buying a G5 based Mac today is if you really have to work right away with software that has still not been upgraded to support Intel Macs. > > Since I am used to my pc-labtops build in sound, will there be a a > big difference if a buy interface and mac ? Usually apple boxes sound better with the built-in audio card. But you get a lot better sound, and recordings, with an audio interface that is designed for musicians. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 21:01:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D7713BEEA; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e2jLaBCD7XGPIENvev5ITRWrw5dGx3xBn5sg+NpraKf0pz5qnNKrHwNWnpL/aCPU/KGznMiN0FTvTHE70gN5lGjmqNhgzRd4JclweBf15W4bFAYxH3MEL32y29KCSJxvhv0098Q59dpPIk4PGF0pSb+vLxGuC+4sGO/5XVIn90E= ; Message-ID: <20060602210114.73631.qmail@web26201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:01:14 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: Mac v.s Pc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1445938847-1149282074=:72469" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_n1ND.A.L7C.ecKgEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:01:19 +0000 (UTC) --0-1445938847-1149282074=:72469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks ! Done any tests on interfaces ? Rune F. Per Boysen skrev: On 2 jun 2006, at 22.13, rune fagereng wrote: > If I was to go for a powerful laptop, are the intel Macs the > latest, and best thing ? Yes. I've done test lab sessions for Musician mags on this matter and the Intel Macs are a much better deal than the G5 macs - if you make sure you go for the dual core types. A dual G5 may be a little more powerful (and a lot more expensive) but it won't run all new Intel optimized software that is coming out. The only situation I think can justify buying a G5 based Mac today is if you really have to work right away with software that has still not been upgraded to support Intel Macs. > > Since I am used to my pc-labtops build in sound, will there be a a > big difference if a buy interface and mac ? Usually apple boxes sound better with the built-in audio card. But you get a lot better sound, and recordings, with an audio interface that is designed for musicians. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1445938847-1149282074=:72469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks !
 
Done any tests on interfaces ?
 
Rune F. 

Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:

On 2 jun 2006, at 22.13, rune fagereng wrote:

> If I was to go for a powerful laptop, are the intel Macs the
> latest, and best thing ?

Yes. I've done test lab sessions for Musician mags on this matter and
the Intel Macs are a much better deal than the G5 macs - if you make
sure you go for the dual core types. A dual G5 may be a little more
powerful (and a lot more expensive) but it won't run all new Intel
optimized software that is coming out. The only situation I think can
justify buying a G5 based Mac today is if you really have to work
right away with software that has still not been upgraded to support
Intel Macs.

>
> Since I am used to my pc-labtops build in sound, will there be a a
> big difference if a buy interface and mac ?

Usually apple boxes sound better with the built-in audio card. But
you get a lot better sound, and recordings, with an audio interface
that is designed for musicians.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)







www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1445938847-1149282074=:72469-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 21:19:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60FE23BEE6; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=UIhlym9QOymBw48Dsl0Sk+W3Ao7D8PdGn7zBR2Gw/vbYa3uEEEzScnK7gpUv+SiqrB907eHjKa8DfqWfgxv8qXt1avypiWWpOwvJAzNdCxEOtIHpaHMuS7zNpfsOmiddBzMnMeb6crbuQ77ndajdpd9quU/wmH2+PgL2fdEP/kM= Message-ID: <90e9442b0606021419s5d4b0f8q328503396b128d9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:19:49 -0700 From: "Michael Metzger" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10188_25080733.1149283189115" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:19:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10188_25080733.1149283189115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think page 59 of the manual addresses this feature. If tempo sync is ON for phrase 1 but loop synch is OFF and the guide is ON (at whatever volume other than off), you can record 2 bars on phrase 1, 4 bars on phrase 2, 1 bar on phrase 3, etc. I think you might need to have Loop Quantize on for this function, but I won't be able to tell until next Thursday! Anyway, if any one else has a different interpretation of the manual p. 59, i'd like to hear it, as this is an important feature for me as well. If you're talking about having the same loop, say, a rhythm loop, on one phrase for two bars, on another for four, etc...then I would say you would either have to play it manually, use another looper, or a mixer and a complicated send/return scheme. on the subject of time comp/expansion, is boss/roland just really bad with this in general? the dr. sample (303) i have is terrible with tempo changes more than maybe 1 bpm. the original loop station is awful with it too. I don't think it's that important for what I do but it's limiting. ------=_Part_10188_25080733.1149283189115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I think page 59 of the manual addresses this feature. If tempo sync is ON for phrase 1 but loop synch is OFF and the guide is ON (at whatever volume other than off), you can record 2 bars on phrase 1, 4 bars on phrase 2, 1 bar on phrase 3, etc. I think you might need to have Loop Quantize on for this function, but I won't be able to tell until next Thursday! Anyway, if any one else has a different interpretation of the manual p. 59, i'd like to hear it, as this is an important feature for me as well.
 
If you're talking about having the same loop, say, a rhythm loop, on one phrase for two bars, on another for four, etc...then I would say you would either have to play it manually, use another looper, or a mixer and a complicated send/return scheme.
 
on the subject of time comp/expansion, is boss/roland just really bad with this in general? the dr. sample (303) i have is terrible with tempo changes more than maybe 1 bpm. the original loop station is awful with it too. I don't think it's that important for what I do but it's limiting.
------=_Part_10188_25080733.1149283189115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 2 22:44:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DA233BEDF; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008301c68696$1579d480$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <90e9442b0606021419s5d4b0f8q328503396b128d9e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: My RC-50 Just came to the door Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:44:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C68653.0711C350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:44:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C68653.0711C350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, It's here..I'll be testing it out tonight. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C68653.0711C350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C68653.0711C350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 00:42:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3A0B3BEDF; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OCuXhCYLYW/MeAU50eWHiya0n+2qF1il1P0j8XvGO3ozxE+SboY9zTs+J0THrbCOt/2hoZ510ovTQFSbeF7vz5MU79frKoHkEeLqY2nTo79I3S/fJnnG0aijUzNCVLlK9i4jAr9U+MDRH18V7l9DKmdvkWXKfMjQZ7hx3z6yBv8= Message-ID: <913728d60606021742m4bcf8b8ch2301a92a1f1dba4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:42:41 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: where should i go next? (looper question) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:42:42 +0000 (UTC) I started with a boss RC-20...then i moved on to the Lexicon Jamman...I am getting a little tire of the jamman's limitations...although after watching folks like michael manring and Phil Keaggy on the jamman, i think it might just be my inability to use it properly or something...anyways, i kinda want to move on to a sub-$1000 (USD) looper... I am not looking for anything incredible, just something that is rackmounted, since i have my X-15 FC in front of me for controlling my ART Nightbass, and the input levels aren't so touchy! anyone have any suggestions? i am kinda thinking repeaters, but i am not sure... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 00:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8A953BEAC; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c201c686a7$9d601ce0$48b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <913728d60606021742m4bcf8b8ch2301a92a1f1dba4c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: where should i go next? (looper question) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:49:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 582, in=327272, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:49:52 +0000 (UTC) EDP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" >I started with a boss RC-20...then i moved on to the Lexicon > Jamman...I am getting a little tire of the jamman's > limitations...although after watching folks like michael manring and > Phil Keaggy on the jamman, i think it might just be my inability to > use it properly or something...anyways, i kinda want to move on to a > sub-$1000 (USD) looper... > > I am not looking for anything incredible, just something that is > rackmounted, since i have my X-15 FC in front of me for controlling my > ART Nightbass, and the input levels aren't so touchy! > > > anyone have any suggestions? > > i am kinda thinking repeaters, but i am not sure... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 01:18:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696293BEDC; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lFyD1iCZuE6MnWv2Dj/1/fdrKelsqNG10iEx6434BJHpq3fSrCTYEZ0xM3dfXhemjSb+XE5zUWXjPL4llJ5QZXaF+I3C4R/6JxRGfjV6X3eRpo6Tkm2D3YpPO8jWBwLgWIUFfwPXcbscfHu2ywXHG2qXp1EOUw8qZ4U+F75N6YY= ; Message-ID: <20060603011831.49362.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: where should i go next? (looper question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01c201c686a7$9d601ce0$48b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Ah the ART SGE2000... I remember how I had to cover the graphics with black electrical tape to keep my eyes from bleeding! I counter your EDP with a suggestion of Repeater! but really they're both good and you should figure out *what* you'd like to do. Frankly, I miss a lot of the simplicity of the JamMan but I needed stereo and that click that sometimes popped up during a MIDI synced loop was a bother. EDP is nimble to use and has a lot of chop it up flexibility and 9 possible mono loops. One at a time. Repeater has really cool time/pitch stuff and up to 4 mono tracks (2 stereo) and a possibility of 99 loops but is a little clunkier to use. Repeaters seem to sell for $500 on ebay, EDPs more... Huggy Bear tells me that the Repeater MK2 will be coming out this summer with a street price of $500, but can you trust that information? Until one is in my rack it's all heresay. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > EDP > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie Milkey" > > >I started with a boss RC-20...then i moved on to > the Lexicon > > Jamman...I am getting a little tire of the > jamman's > > limitations...although after watching folks like > michael manring and > > Phil Keaggy on the jamman, i think it might just > be my inability to > > use it properly or something...anyways, i kinda > want to move on to a > > sub-$1000 (USD) looper... > > > > I am not looking for anything incredible, just > something that is > > rackmounted, since i have my X-15 FC in front of > me for controlling my > > ART Nightbass, and the input levels aren't so > touchy! > > > > > > anyone have any suggestions? > > > > i am kinda thinking repeaters, but i am not > sure... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 01:25:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A473BED2; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KI1G5e6dN4Y6VYLOqe4/9ComC4GwBo+JyzJ6sXxqepqhOYUXaUqIB/vNTrkUMQiSLI30VGiA50uBP73X7zDKyDgvkpcTcxtDPDn0w/RD2vPpnFRGcBK4NumWOTColLzEpcqktG2RvcXq3TUPY43KC7w5n6NFhZDlMLf9ajUw4vE= Message-ID: <913728d60606021825q9b7c191lab63f012cde4df79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:25:49 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: where should i go next? (looper question) In-Reply-To: <20060603011831.49362.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01c201c686a7$9d601ce0$48b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060603011831.49362.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:25:51 +0000 (UTC) > Ah the ART SGE2000... I remember how I had to cover > the graphics with black electrical tape to keep my > eyes from bleeding! I actually have one of the later Nightbass SE's which is mostly black, but i know what you are talking about...the big pink splashes of color everywhere! > but really they're both good and you should figure out > *what* you'd like to do. Frankly, I miss a lot of the > simplicity of the JamMan but I needed stereo and that > click that sometimes popped up during a MIDI synced > loop was a bother. yeah, they both are good...i don't think i need anything incredible, i just want it to have a few loops, undo would be cool, stereo would be a bonus, but not necessary... is there a way to get rid of that click? i have heard other people talk about that as well... Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 01:34:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DE573BEE0; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4480E78D.8070405@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:36:13 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: where should i go next? (looper question) References: <20060603011831.49362.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060603011831.49362.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:34:46 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: >I counter your EDP with a suggestion of Repeater! > Get both EDP and Repeater! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 01:35:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43E393BEE6; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f501c686ae$0ac17580$48b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Fw: [pluggo] Re: Snapping and Popping with some VST Effects Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:35:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 579, in=314452, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3L4rMC.A.ZaD.-dOgEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:35:59 +0000 (UTC) The issue with at least some of my VST effects...looks like snapping and popping is known for some Hipno effects, so I'm guessing there are other effects out there that do this as well. It's nice to know it isn't my hardware. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Pask" To: Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: [pluggo] Re: Snapping and Popping with some VST Effects > > Vance is right. > > Drunken Sailor glitches. In beta we discussed it a bit, and there is a > thought to present a non-glitch version of the plug at some future point > (with backwards compatibility mode) > > Until then don't expect all of hipno to play all nice all of the time. > It's not your hardware. It is a result of the extreme buffer mangling > which is going on. > > > -A > > _______________________________________________ > pluggo mailing list > pluggo@cycling74.com > http://www.cycling74.com/mailman/listinfo/pluggo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 01:37:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0006E3BECC; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mFIekTTmLdFMuCaBmV6rgRt9gM7UcrsEqOCet0YE8TpVauZwsQPP8b5iaoHeRzDO; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200666313950790@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: hooves on the rails (was: Computers and Global responsibility) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a974e5c043db29961d900b693c09047c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.175 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:37:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Duncan... even though I am largely ignorant of computers, I totally enjoyed your e-mail. ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 5/26/2006 3:22:15 PM Subject: RE: hooves on the rails (was: Computers and Global responsibility) >>OH NO! ONE'S ON THE TRACK! WON'T SOMEONE SAVE MILKY!?<< did any one else grimace with guilty recognition? let me explain.... I am completely at one with mark when he describes the satisfaction to be had from reconfiguring his studio equipment or relearning the chops required by some old bit of kit that's been lying idle for a few years because of newer shinier toys. I do this all the time- I even have a dv camera w/ wide-angle lens up in the corner of the room so's I can do time-&-motion studies when there are two or three of us at work..... can we all reach everything we want to? is the feng shui of the studio right & productive? are we making eye-contact often enough? & sometimes, I'll dig out an old manual or even a magazine review for something I have, & find new inspiration therein. BUT come the day, while we're actually *doing something* with/in the studio, somehow there's this guilty pleasure, almost like we're having too much fun & "this isn't real work". I know it *ought* to be payback time, for all the hours invested in getting the new merge box to pass sys-ex, or wrangling a digital synth so it sounds reasonable, or mapping a bunch of samples, losing the lot when the hard drive freezes up & starting again.... & hours later, when it's *playback time* (see what I did there?), the balance between our work & it's product seems a bit more even. in exactly the same way, our double-O gauge enthusiast spends hours in the shed at the end of his garden, painstakingly painting the exact correct livery detailing onto the 2nd class carriage he's just bought to drag along behind his "flying scotsman" or "mallard" or whatever.... he'll then go to his rig (probably ducking under the roof-beams in his attic like the rest of us) & re-enact some bovine near-misses per mark's imagined scenario.... & he'll feel like a big kid *even though he worked damn hard to get there*. too right he's going to make "whoo-whoo" noises, if the loco doesn't already do it for him. anyone would. I would have an animal-air-ambulance helicopter with a cow-sling underneath, & really make the most of it. probably smear bovril on the front of the engine too. ahem. which is my point exactly. back onto computers- I have yet to experience a platform or O/S (I have the very latest macbook pro with parallels workstation on it, so I can run os-x/intel & w2k at the same time on the same box!) that offers the same return-on-investment as, say, a sampler or a big old analogue synth. I also have over two dozen basses, & it's not uncommon for me to change the strings & do a full set-up on one of them, taking several hours over this, only to play the thing for about twenty minutes & put it away again. but that's probably just because I have too many basses. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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Duncan... even though I am largely ignorant of computers, I totally enjoyed your e-mail.
 
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>>OH NO! ONE'S ON THE TRACK! WON'T SOMEONE SAVE MILKY!?<<

did any one else grimace with guilty recognition? let me explain.... I am completely at one with mark when he describes the satisfaction to be had from reconfiguring his studio equipment or relearning the chops required by some old bit of kit that's been lying idle for a few years because of newer shinier toys.

I do this all the time- I even have a dv camera w/ wide-angle lens up in the corner of the room so's I can do time-&-motion studies when there are two or three of us at work..... can we all reach everything we want to? is the feng shui of the studio right & productive? are we making eye-contact often enough?

& sometimes, I'll dig out an old manual or even a magazine review for something I have, & find new inspiration therein.

BUT come the day, while we're actually *doing something* with/in the studio, somehow there's this guilty pleasure, almost like we're having too much fun & "this isn't real work". I know it *ought* to be payback time, for all the hours invested in getting the new merge box to pass sys-ex, or wrangling a digital synth so it sounds reasonable, or mapping a bunch of samples, losing the lot when the hard drive freezes up & starting again....

& hours later, when it's *playback time* (see what I did there?), the balance between our work & it's product seems a bit more even.

in exactly the same way, our double-O gauge enthusiast spends hours in the shed at the end of his garden, painstakingly painting the exact correct livery detailing onto the 2nd class carriage he's just bought to drag along behind his "flying scotsman" or "mallard" or whatever.... he'll then go to his rig (probably ducking under the roof-beams in his attic like the rest of us) & re-enact some bovine near-misses per mark's imagined scenario.... & he'll feel like a big kid *even though he worked damn hard to get there*.

too right he's going to make "whoo-whoo" noises, if the loco doesn't already do it for him. anyone would.
I would have an animal-air-ambulance helicopter with a cow-sling underneath, & really make the most of it. probably smear bovril on the front of the engine too.

ahem.
which is my point exactly.

back onto computers- I have yet to experience a platform or O/S (I have the very latest macbook pro with parallels workstation on it, so I can run os-x/intel & w2k at the same time on the same box!) that offers the same return-on-investment as, say, a sampler or a big old analogue synth.

I also have over two dozen basses, & it's not uncommon for me to change the strings & do a full set-up on one of them, taking several hours over this, only to play the thing for about twenty minutes & put it away again. but that's probably just because I have too many basses.

duncan.



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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 01:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 146913BEF1; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cHzduP6p6jIsTHnR2nM74nB9fdM1UzS4m6pZ0Jft2dBYnT8QPFlsHDJctRcVHxXnzGd42H3G1OtCT7DX5x6AXrWl305YP3r9k34xe+e9dt8ZFSFuq+5A3mwTAVUjjYX29cp/et0OUxSAXjiUUT1Y94ZwGjJPJTeacD4sBGyhvmA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0606021842y6e56b590n646429a25729d2a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:42:47 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs In-Reply-To: <1429990B-8030-4426-87EB-2F5137CC8C54@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> <44809090.7070301@addcom.de> <588ce11d0606021303sbab19e4q802c348b5892fa7f@mail.gmail.com> <1429990B-8030-4426-87EB-2F5137CC8C54@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Answering my own question (from the Cycling '74 site): "If you want to tweak your own plug-ins, you might want to consider Max/MSP, which includes everything you need to develop your own plug-ins." Now I know how I'll be spending my summer vacation. . . On 6/2/06, Per Boysen wrote: > On 2 jun 2006, at 22.03, Art Simon wrote: > > > I'm curious what you mean that "the plugin specific stuff is coming > > with pluggo". Do I need to purchase Pluggo in addition to Max? > > > (Chiming in here) > > From the "PluggoDevGuide35.pdf" that comes with Pluggo: > > > Plug-in Development > > > > This manual describes how to use the audio plug-in construction > > tools in Max/MSP. These tools > > consist of nine Max/MSP objects and a host interface that loads > > plug-ins built in Max/MSP and > > creates an interface for them that appears to a host audio program > > as an audio plug-in. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 04:23:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBE4D3BEDC; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XrI+1XKp+vn5Hoa5Ecr3wzVfTl4XRz5Q1MiBaxwE9izZwlrjV42c3gftO1mW2Sjdh8144cEcCZmpRM5PTA6QSbV55Ov61ZLBKAvgazcQe3w9C8AN/kE+FEXJ2H8Fc02STHrI/ve5cr2qZegFThmvDco3AhOLSkqunmCGEbxIJnA= ; Message-ID: <20060602121031.33045.qmail@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 05:10:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Buzap Subject: Overdub with "Quantize to shortest loop" feature? To: LoopersDelight LD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I was wondering if any hardware is offering a "Quantize to Shortest Loop Length" feature in Overdub mode that would give complete artistic freedom and spontaneity, like this: - Record Loop1 with a certain length - Press "Start Overdub" to overdub Loop2 on top - Press "Stop Overdub" to stop overdub - A "Quantize to Shortest Loop" feature will take care that Loop1, Loop 2, Loop 3... fit together. Example: - Record Loop1 (1 bar length) - Overdub Loop2 (4 bar length) as described above - Loops have perfect 4:1 relation - Overdub Loop3 (1 bar length) as described above - Loops have perfect 4:1:4 relation I know some SW/HW offer a quantize function where you define a global tempo in advance and all loops are quantized to that. Others (like RC-50, Repeater) allow you to record multiple phrases and to sync them - but on separate loops and not in overdub mode. Does any hardware looper have a "quantize to shortest loop" feature? Is this interesting for other folks, too? Best regards Buzap __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 04:40:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 888923BEDF; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1149309610-21924-96-1 X-Barracuda-URL: http://192.168.6.4:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060602153228.79503.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060602153228.79503.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <018f6208c295ca8f7f101b2be246c554@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: Mac v.s Pc Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:40:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at hotelhsiamail.com X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -1002.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-1002.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=1000.0 X-Barracuda-Rcpt: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <68OOf.A.fHC.sKRgEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Many options...I can tell you what I use: for live performance: Mac Power Book 1.5 ghz Motu Ultralite 5 Roland Ev-5 pedals Oxy8 keyboard For recording: powerbook with Digital Performer Motu 896 interface I love it all....... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 2, 2006, at 8:32 AM, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > =A0 > Until now I have used pc and m-audio workstation, but I consider to=20 > buy me a Mac. In this jungel of=A0information, can someone give me=20 > advise on what to buy so that I have a complete system for making=20 > music. What=A0Mac, interface and sound-card ? > =A0 > Rune F=A0=A0=A0 > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 07:23:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF09F3BEE0; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c686de$a3b41e70$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060602121031.33045.qmail@web55611.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Overdub with "Quantize to shortest loop" feature? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:23:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:23:39 +0000 (UTC) EDP press Multiply then record as end multiply. if you are Quantized it can end at 8th, at cycle, at loop the EDP manual is download able on the LD site Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap" To: "LoopersDelight LD" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Overdub with "Quantize to shortest loop" feature? Hi folks I was wondering if any hardware is offering a "Quantize to Shortest Loop Length" feature in Overdub mode that would give complete artistic freedom and spontaneity, like this: - Record Loop1 with a certain length - Press "Start Overdub" to overdub Loop2 on top - Press "Stop Overdub" to stop overdub - A "Quantize to Shortest Loop" feature will take care that Loop1, Loop 2, Loop 3... fit together. Example: - Record Loop1 (1 bar length) - Overdub Loop2 (4 bar length) as described above - Loops have perfect 4:1 relation - Overdub Loop3 (1 bar length) as described above - Loops have perfect 4:1:4 relation I know some SW/HW offer a quantize function where you define a global tempo in advance and all loops are quantized to that. Others (like RC-50, Repeater) allow you to record multiple phrases and to sync them - but on separate loops and not in overdub mode. Does any hardware looper have a "quantize to shortest loop" feature? Is this interesting for other folks, too? Best regards Buzap __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 16:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21DB43BED2; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Software vs Hardware, Laptop vs Oldskool Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:45:01 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c6872d$0f61bee0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcaHLQ6QtwHQJBRkT768d5FeMXSV1A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Now, here's my personal take on the laptop discussion everyone is having these days in my typical, longwinded, engineering fashion. A: Background - about the setups and my approach to playing People who have followed equipment discussions in which I took part know that my hardware setup is big, multi-instrumentalist and a little bit crazy. In more detail, that means: Tune Gap 6 sixstring bass into V-Bass, Waldorf Q, Korg Wavestation KEX, Nord MicroModular, Korg Kaoss ][, Roland MC-505, DL4, FCB1010, 6 expression pedals and 3 footswitches, 8 HU L-style rack containing Behringer MX2642A, Repeater, TC Electronics FireworX, D2, Triple C, Eventide Eclipse, Zoom 1201, Beyer headset mike, in-ear phones. With my laptop setup, I try to do similar things. It is based on the theory that at a possible performance place, I am able to borrow or rent an electric guitar or electric bass (any one), a MIDI keyboard (any one) and a two-level keyboard stand. With that in mind, my laptop setup is reduced to laptop, Presonus Firebox, Behringer BCR2000, FCB1010, DI20, Beyer headset mike and in-ear phones. It all fits into a nice, small rucksack. B: Comparison of both setups 1. Portability and setup time: No question - the latop setup wins by a huge margin. With the hardware setup, I need a big limousine or a hatchback car. With the laptop setup, I can ride on a train. While I got quite skilled in setting up my big hardware setup, again the laptop one wins here - if we assume that the stands are already setup, it's 5-10min. for the laptop, 20-30min. for the hardware. 2. Objective Sound Quality: noise figure et al. With a theoretical approach, let's watch a signal running from a drum machine through a filter to a looper, then back through a compressor and with added effects to the mains and finally to a recorded for possible CD release. In case of the hardware setup, this would include ways through ten AD/DA converters and five channel strips of an analogue console. In case of the laptop, it's zero AD/DAs and zero analogue channel strips. So the laptop setup wins. 3. Subjective Sound Quality: how the respective "active" components sound A very mixed analysis. With the Eclipse, the FireworX and the Q I have some devices in the setup which none of my software thingies can equal (at least not without taking up all of the computer ressources - see "Resource Management"). Even the Repeater's pitch shifter wins over any acceptable non-ressource-hungry laptop pitch shifter. On the other hand, there are some VSTs and VSTis which I can't replicate with my hardware gear - same goes for my subjective assesment of the amp modeling qualities. I'd call this a win for the hardware setup based on my priorities - but only by a slight margin. 4. Features: A hard one. Both setups can do things the other setup can't. Some of it has already been mentioned under "Subjective Sound Quality". Are you dependent on two independent manuals for your keyboards? Sometimes, I am. Do you need to define pitch envelopes for your loops in quasi-realtime? Sometimes I like that, too. I'd call it a draw. 5. Useability: With the hardware setup it's simple. The Repeater has its dedicated FCB1010, the VBass and the DL4 have their own foot controls, as well as footswitchtes/exp pedals for Eclipse, FireworX, Q, Wavestation and MC505. Everything else depends on the respective qualities of the devices. There are things like the Q which wins big time over the laptop setup or things with their own HMI personality like the Kaoss ][, then there are devices which are not useable at all in a live setting (Wavestation being the worst). With the laptop, it's either clicking around on a screen (which I like to keep to a minimum and limit it to painting drum patterns in Live) or using the FCB1010 (which controls transport for Live, Mobius and Amplitube) and the BCR2000 (which for controlling about any of Live's mixer functions and all plugins uses 16 presets, each with 56 dials and 36 buttons). So the direct useability comparison depends on what you look at. If I want to change filter cutoff on the Q, I simply use the big red knob labelled "Cutoff". If I want to change filter cutoff for SunRa, it's the second knob from the right in the second row in preset 8 of the BCR2000. If I want to change filter cutoff for the PPG, it's the second knob from the right in the second row in preset 5 of the BCR2000. If I want to change filter cutoff for the Wavestation, it's some hideous sub-menu I wouldn't even think of accessing during a dense live performance. In a summary, I'd again declare a win for the hardware setup, again by a slight margin, if only caused by the fact that every control has a direct connection with the device it controls and because I can visually see the mixer settings, even from a distance. 6. Fail Safety: For the laptop setup, it's a quite clear analysis: if the laptop fails, everything is dead. I can't even play an unprocessed guitar or use my microphone to tell the audience that I have to reboot or whatever (although one could work around this with a different interface). And if the laptop stays crashed, the concert is over. With the hardware setup, I can work around any failure of a single device in realtime, safe for a total failure of the console (power supply etc), and can work round any failure of several devices with a short interruption of the performance. A clear win for the hardware setup. 7. Resource Management: My current laptop setup would tax the CPU to about 380% if all plugins were enabled at once. So I have to keep an eye on the CPU usage and remember to disable unused plugins and can't use everything at once. Even by getting a really big computer, this problem would remain (well, perhaps if I included some things like a Creamware Scope etc.). With the hardware setup, there is no such thing as resource management. Win for the hardware setup. 8. Cost: The laptop setup is cheaper. But I'll not include this in the summary, as I already own the components. C: The Alternative - A Hybrid Setup? Like other users here (Krispen comes to mind), I've thought of a hybrid setup, getting a best of both worlds. But here, I wouldn't know how to structure it. Perhaps limit the laptop to what it's best at (like running Mobius and some really cool VSTs and VSTis) and do everything else outlaptop, e.g. by including a big digital console and a selection of some cool outboards (Eclipse, FireworX, Finalizer) as well as a guitar amp modeler and of course my trusty Q and MicroMod? This way, I could run anything that would remain on the laptop without resource management (see the respective paragraph). Or have a more limited set of devices outboard, concentrating on things that either a) take up huge ressource loads, b) can't be done on the laptop, c) optimize or do not degrade the signal routing - like the Eclipse, FireworX and Finalizer and perhaps an amp modeling floorboard? Another possibility would be to simply include a minimum hardware setup in the laptop rig (like a Boss DD20 and OD2) to allow for some minimal fallback solution in case of laptop breakdown. On thing is for sure, though: there is no best of both worlds here. I'd lose some of the integrated UI (at least to a certain extent) as well as portability. But I got to think this through some more. D: Summary - laptop or big rack? If we just sum up the results from above, we get two clear and two slight wins for the big rack vs. one big and one slight win for the laptop, which would speak for the hardware setup. On the other hand, for some applications (like Y2K6 on the other side of the earth), portability is so important that this will make me use the laptop setup. So, in the final analysis, you again don't get a clear vote, but perhaps some different views. If anybody would like to add to this analysis, please do! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 17:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2013BEDC; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SUBJ_YOUR_OWN autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4481C2D6.5010902@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:11:50 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs References: <588ce11d0605292031r589d0fa9vf943ea07ac5ad9d1@mail.gmail.com> <44809090.7070301@addcom.de> <588ce11d0606021303sbab19e4q802c348b5892fa7f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0606021303sbab19e4q802c348b5892fa7f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Art, to clarify this, there is a large chunk of pluggo documentation that you can get by downloading the pluggo demo for free. But the software needed is included in MaxMSP - remember that max itself is control-signals only ;) Andreas Art Simon wrote: > Thanks Stefan, I'm sold on Max. I've been dragging my feet about > upgrading (I'm an old Max user who used to do Midi stuff on a Mac > Plus). > > I'm curious what you mean that "the plugin specific stuff is coming > with pluggo". Do I need to purchase Pluggo in addition to Max? > > On 6/2/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> With Max/MSP its a snap, you can download all documentation, the plugin >> specific stuff is coming with pluggo, if you finish your own pluggo >> within 30 days, you could even do it without paying for Max... (but its >> addicting, you might want to do anotherone) >> I can give you a hand... >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 17:52:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0731B3BEC7; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Vt8/Zx6zzIiestTR8su7GWVYQDJAoxb54PwE+7HH8haAbbQRg6DexL7LCoURKaHztO2JLI0gagjvRH4xXNf3W7XETH5UU9TulOoxKyJDZf3u7LlzHI/2FATz1uVaX7GHMJ5lzTOraiztEYyrnZpSQGUBSGGW2wa1cFvhMgrvepY= ; Message-ID: <20060603175228.13135.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:52:28 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Software vs Hardware, Laptop vs Oldskool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c6872d$0f61bee0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Nice post Rainer! Comes at a time when I'm putting together my own laptop setup and it really helps with visualization of a possible system. I think you're on the mark with the idea of a hybred setup. I for one would never go out without my dedicated hardware Vox Tonelab. A) I love it. B) it's bulletproof in terms of a setup and has a looper on board. Laptop goes down? I've got an 8 second looper patch all ready and the show goes into ambient mode. Second, you need some sort of MIDI controler for synths, why not have one that is a synth as well? Do you have the Nord Micromodular with the keyboard? That would be a total must for me. Right now it would end up being an Alesis Micron for me. It's small and has some built in sequencing of it's own which would come in handy if the laptop goes kerflewey. Anway, that's the plan that's gelling in my head right now. If I were a real "pro" I'd probably think about adding some midi syncable looper to that setup as a failsafe for laptop meltdown. Sadly tales of the RC-50s poor sound quality while in slave mode takes that out of the running, but I can imagine a second Repeater might work perfectly if the need should arise. My real hope is that eventually the laptop will be solid enough to run a requencer, Stylus RMX, Battery and Mobius. If I could get a softsynth in there as well that would be a bonus. I hope I can resist the temptation to go crazy with the VSTs and end up with issues similar to Krispen's. I'm going to try and view the laptop as one would view a piece of dedicated hardware. --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Now, here's my personal take on the laptop > discussion everyone is having > these days in my typical, longwinded, engineering > fashion. > > A: Background - about the setups and my approach to > playing > People who have followed equipment discussions in > which I took part know > that my hardware setup is big, multi-instrumentalist > and a little bit crazy. > In more detail, that means: > Tune Gap 6 sixstring bass into V-Bass, Waldorf Q, > Korg Wavestation KEX, Nord > MicroModular, Korg Kaoss ][, Roland MC-505, DL4, > FCB1010, 6 expression > pedals and 3 footswitches, 8 HU L-style rack > containing Behringer MX2642A, > Repeater, TC Electronics FireworX, D2, Triple C, > Eventide Eclipse, Zoom > 1201, Beyer headset mike, in-ear phones. > > With my laptop setup, I try to do similar things. It > is based on the theory > that at a possible performance place, I am able to > borrow or rent an > electric guitar or electric bass (any one), a MIDI > keyboard (any one) and a > two-level keyboard stand. With that in mind, my > laptop setup is reduced to > laptop, Presonus Firebox, Behringer BCR2000, > FCB1010, DI20, Beyer headset > mike and in-ear phones. It all fits into a nice, > small rucksack. > > B: Comparison of both setups > > 1. Portability and setup time: > No question - the latop setup wins by a huge margin. > With the hardware > setup, I need a big limousine or a hatchback car. > With the laptop setup, I > can ride on a train. While I got quite skilled in > setting up my big hardware > setup, again the laptop one wins here - if we assume > that the stands are > already setup, it's 5-10min. for the laptop, > 20-30min. for the hardware. > > 2. Objective Sound Quality: noise figure et al. > With a theoretical approach, let's watch a signal > running from a drum > machine through a filter to a looper, then back > through a compressor and > with added effects to the mains and finally to a > recorded for possible CD > release. In case of the hardware setup, this would > include ways through ten > AD/DA converters and five channel strips of an > analogue console. In case of > the laptop, it's zero AD/DAs and zero analogue > channel strips. So the laptop > setup wins. > > 3. Subjective Sound Quality: how the respective > "active" components sound > A very mixed analysis. With the Eclipse, the > FireworX and the Q I have some > devices in the setup which none of my software > thingies can equal (at least > not without taking up all of the computer ressources > - see "Resource > Management"). Even the Repeater's pitch shifter wins > over any acceptable > non-ressource-hungry laptop pitch shifter. On the > other hand, there are some > VSTs and VSTis which I can't replicate with my > hardware gear - same goes for > my subjective assesment of the amp modeling > qualities. > I'd call this a win for the hardware setup based on > my priorities - but only > by a slight margin. > > 4. Features: > A hard one. Both setups can do things the other > setup can't. Some of it has > already been mentioned under "Subjective Sound > Quality". Are you dependent > on two independent manuals for your keyboards? > Sometimes, I am. Do you need > to define pitch envelopes for your loops in > quasi-realtime? Sometimes I like > that, too. I'd call it a draw. > > 5. Useability: > With the hardware setup it's simple. The Repeater > has its dedicated FCB1010, > the VBass and the DL4 have their own foot controls, > as well as > footswitchtes/exp pedals for Eclipse, FireworX, Q, > Wavestation and MC505. > Everything else depends on the respective qualities > of the devices. There > are things like the Q which wins big time over the > laptop setup or things > with their own HMI personality like the Kaoss ][, > then there are devices > which are not useable at all in a live setting > (Wavestation being the > worst). > With the laptop, it's either clicking around on a > screen (which I like to > keep to a minimum and limit it to painting drum > patterns in Live) or using > the FCB1010 (which controls transport for Live, > Mobius and Amplitube) and > the BCR2000 (which for controlling about any of > Live's mixer functions and > all plugins uses 16 presets, each with 56 dials and > 36 buttons). > So the direct useability comparison depends on what > you look at. If I want > to change filter cutoff on the Q, I simply use the > big red knob labelled > "Cutoff". If I want to change filter cutoff for > SunRa, it's the second knob > from the right in the second row in preset 8 of the > BCR2000. If I want to > change filter cutoff for the PPG, it's the second > knob from the right in the > second row in preset 5 of the BCR2000. If I want to > change filter cutoff for > the Wavestation, it's some hideous sub-menu I > wouldn't even think of > accessing during a dense live performance. > In a summary, I'd again declare a win for the > hardware setup, again by a > slight margin, if only caused by the fact that every > control has a direct > connection with the device it controls and because I > can visually see the > mixer settings, even from a distance. > > 6. Fail Safety: > For the laptop setup, it's a quite clear analysis: > if the laptop fails, > everything is dead. I can't even play an unprocessed > guitar or use my > microphone to tell the audience that I have to > reboot or whatever (although > one could work around this with a different > interface). And if the laptop > stays crashed, the concert is over. > With the hardware setup, I can work around any > failure of a single device in > realtime, safe for a total failure of the console > (power supply etc), and > can work round any failure of several devices with a > short interruption of > the performance. > A clear win for the hardware setup. > > 7. Resource Management: > My current laptop setup would tax the CPU to about > 380% if all plugins were > enabled at once. So I have to keep an eye on the CPU > usage and remember to > disable unused plugins and can't use everything at > once. Even by getting a > really big computer, this problem would remain > (well, perhaps if I included > some things like a Creamware Scope etc.). > With the hardware setup, there is no such thing as > resource management. Win > for the hardware setup. > > 8. Cost: > The laptop setup is cheaper. But I'll not include > this in the summary, as I > already own the components. > > C: The Alternative - A Hybrid Setup? > Like other users here (Krispen comes to mind), I've > thought of a hybrid > setup, getting a best of both worlds. But here, I > wouldn't know how to > structure it. Perhaps limit the laptop to what it's > best at (like running > Mobius and some really cool VSTs and VSTis) and do > everything else > outlaptop, e.g. by including a big digital console > and a selection of some > cool outboards (Eclipse, FireworX, Finalizer) as > well as a guitar amp > modeler and of course my trusty Q and MicroMod? This > way, I could run > anything that would remain on the laptop without > resource management (see > the respective paragraph). Or have a more limited > set of devices outboard, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 18:01:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAA173BEE1; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Oo/SOyXgdQW1CIVAd5nmRDKGzRxNc9MvBT/N6hGsCp3Wg1BJUEk5tyyK4GBWYVQ5JjZgatL+EhPC21bCKXjEOwU30jxIb6d8arQ0n4L+/t9TCr1U6R+Lby4GCxrmVX0/B3snBl6blEC563QBCA3TPVrQ/TS/+ZVyxLBcDqZ5nc4= ; Message-ID: <20060603180122.50353.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: where should i go next? (looper question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60606021825q9b7c191lab63f012cde4df79@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > > is there a way to get rid of that click? i have > heard other people > talk about that as well... Ah the JamMan click. I'd only get it at random times and I never could figure out why sometime and not others. Totally intermittent. It has something to do with the stability of your midi clock, but at the time I was using it my only clock source was an Ensoniq TS-10. Most of the times I could just ignore it, especially if there was a lot going on in the loop it would just get buried. It was really only an issue if you were doing a pad like ambient wash. People also complain about the Repeater's "bump". There's a slight volume bump at the start of a loop. I can find it if I purposely look for it, so I don't. Really I never think about it until conversations like this come up. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 19:19:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A35D3BEC2; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Software vs Hardware, Laptop vs Oldskool Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:19:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c68742$afeaf4c0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcaHNnzk6Yb3+PvlRsu1aH8XagR3OgACtxbQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060603175228.13135.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:19:56 +0000 (UTC) > I for one would never go out without my dedicated hardware > Vox Tonelab. A) I love it. B) it's bulletproof in terms of > a setup and has a looper on board. Laptop goes down? I've > got an 8 second looper patch all ready and the show goes into > ambient mode. That's what I was thinking too, and I also thought about the tonelab there - with the other option (as mentioned) to have a DD20/OD-2 as a fallback solution. > Second, you need some sort of MIDI controler for synths, why > not have one that is a synth as well? Do you have the Nord > Micromodular with the keyboard? The Micromodular is the really small box with only one DSP, a two-space 7-segment LED display and four knobs (one of them hardwired). So no, can't use this as a controller. The Waldorf Q is great in that role with its zillions of rotary encoders (and its keyboard is the best synth keyboard I've ever experienced, but with that I'd lose portability. On the other hand, the BCR2000 is great value for the money... > Anway, that's the plan that's gelling in my head right now. > If I were a real "pro" I'd probably think about adding some > midi syncable looper to that setup as a failsafe for laptop > meltdown. Sadly tales of the RC-50s poor sound quality while I don't get it. Why do you need MIDI sync for your backup solution when the laptop fails? This would be more of a hardware with additional laptop setup rather than the laptop plus... setup I imagine? > should arise. My real hope is that eventually the laptop > will be solid enough to run a requencer, Stylus RMX, Battery > and Mobius. If I could get a softsynth in there as well that > would be a bonus. I've disbanded the idea of Stylus RMX (too much of a resource hogger) and replaced Battery with Kontakt (less CPU-hungry). > I hope I can resist the temptation to go crazy with the VSTs > and end up with issues similar to Krispen's. What do you mean by "go crazy"? Do you mean a setup where you'll have 70 plugins like I have? >;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 19:25:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0EC3BED5; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated-Name: TuleRiver X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com From: "CM" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:25:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0201_01C68708.C8E00310" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcXQKGYXCAURkdTiSeKDVRMa3x1QDi3Gjuug In-Reply-To: <03ac01c5d028$62bc8b40$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20060603194500.4B943AFF53@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:25:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C68708.C8E00310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Turning on the wayback machine (OK, not THAT way-back, but...) and I'm combing through the list for Y2K5 recordings. I'd like to get any that I can get my hands on, since I've never been to the festival and would love to hear what folks are playing. I found these below, but seem to vaguely remember some CD's being available too? Is there a complete list of online Y2K5 recordings available anywhere still? ...and.... what's the date(s) for Y2K6?... Cass P.S. Found those gallery pics again too (http://y2k5.grubmah.com/), which is really cool for putting faces to names. Thanks for whoever put that together! _____ From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Outstanding. Thanks, Greg. Here is the evolving list, folks, Ghost 7 included: Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html I think Ted Killian is up next. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Powers To: 'Kris Hartung' Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Kris, I am happy to share my file with the list. It was a first attempt at looping live, thought I've used similar techniques in the studio. I'm afraid it doesn't reach anywhere near what I had intended/hoped, but that's showbiz, and I guess it's interesting as an example of a first go at it. And there's a few good moments in there! Best, -greg- _____ From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially since mine was the only set where the streaming server went down and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND monitor the stream at the same time! My brain just doesn't operate that way. :) So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational piece: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :) ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C68708.C8E00310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Turning on the wayback machine = (OK, not THAT=20 way-back, but...) and I'm combing = through=20 the list for Y2K5 recordings.  I'd like to get any that I can get = my hands=20 on, since I've never been to the festival and would love to hear what = folks are=20 playing.  I found these = below, but=20 seem to vaguely remember some CD's being available too?  Is there a = complete list of online Y2K5 recordings available anywhere = still?   

...and....=20 what's the date(s) for Y2K6?...

Cass

P.S.=20 Found those gallery pics again too (http://y2k5.grubmah.com/), which = is really=20 cool for putting faces to names.  Thanks for whoever put that=20 together!
 
 

From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005 12:01=20 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Y2K5=20 Performance Recordings

Outstanding. Thanks, = Greg.
 
Here is the evolving list, folks, Ghost = 7 included:=20
 
Greg Powers
 
Ghost 7
 
Krispen Hartung
http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
 
I think Ted Killian is up = next.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg=20 Powers
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005 12:38=20 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 - I Guess I'll Share Mine First

Kris,

 

I am happy = to share=20 my file with the list. It was a first attempt at looping live, thought = I’ve=20 used similar techniques in the studio. I’m afraid it = doesn’t reach anywhere=20 near what I had intended/hoped, but that’s showbiz, and I guess = it’s=20 interesting as an example of a first go at it. And there’s a few = good moments=20 in there!

 

Best,

 

-greg-

 

From: Kris=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, = 2005 6:35=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings - I=20 Guess I'll Share Mine First

 

While I'm waiting for = others to=20 download their Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or = decide=20 whether they want to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll = share my=20 set first, especially since mine was the only set where the streaming = server=20 went down and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I = couldn't=20 play AND monitor the stream at the same time!  My brain just = doesn't=20 operate that way.  :)

 

So, for what it's worth, = here it=20 is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational=20 piece:

 

http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html

 

Cheers,

 

Krispen=20 Hartung

http://www.krispenhartung.com<= /SPAN>

 

p.s. Rainer, fess = up...who were=20 you able to record orver the broadcast with any degree of = fidelity?=20 Enquiring minds want to know... :)

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C68708.C8E00310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 19:53:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D7BA3BEDA; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:53:18 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: where should i go next? (looper question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4481E8AE.6060207@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:53:28 +0000 (UTC) >> I am not looking for anything incredible, just something that is rackmounted, since i have my X-15 FC in front of me for controlling my ART Nightbass, and the input levels aren't so touchy!<< AFAIK, this foot controller is not programmable. Just thought I'd chime in because I was disappointed to find out it wasn't going to be useful in a looping context. But my SGX-2000 / X-15 combo may again see some use someday - that is still a pretty powerful and versatile processor. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 20:08:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0AF33BEE1; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:08:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: boss rc50 or EH 2880? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC) I want to buy the best machine possible . I need help - please . I want to do percussion loops while listening to a click . I want the "maybe-imprecission" of my foot-tap does not affect the start and end of the loop/loops ( quantize my tap into the nearest beginning of bar) I want to do overdubs with different lenghts of bars I want to control the volume of every loop I add . I want to record a lot of overdubs ( 16 minimum) I would like to have the possibility of control reverb of each loop , I dont know if this is possible . .............. Which machines do that ? I really appreciatte help . I am in a hurry . I am starting to plan my solo show . I did all the things I mentioned before with Live ableton and a guy controlling it in one of my last shows . But now I want/need to do it alone. Regards Ramiro . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 22:22:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DF53BED5; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:22:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: boss rc50 or EH 2880? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0CBKVD.A.hAB.LuggEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like you would be happy with an Electrix Repeater or several EH2880 synched by MIDI. The repeater allws you to multiply the length a phrase and then overdub on a track which is the total length of the multiplied loop. >I want to buy the best machine possible . >I need help - please . > >I want to do percussion loops while listening to a click . > >I want the "maybe-imprecission" of my foot-tap does not affect the >start and end of the loop/loops ( quantize my tap into the nearest >beginning of bar) > >I want to do overdubs with different lenghts of bars > >I want to control the volume of every loop I add . > >I want to record a lot of overdubs ( 16 minimum) > >I would like to have the possibility of control reverb of each loop >, I dont know if this is possible . > >.............. >Which machines do that ? >I really appreciatte help . >I am in a hurry . I am starting to plan my solo show . >I did all the things I mentioned before with Live ableton and a guy >controlling it in one of my last shows . But now I want/need to do >it alone. >Regards >Ramiro >. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 3 22:36:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB083BECA; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:35:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: Re: boss rc50 or EH 2880? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:36:25 +0000 (UTC) >Sounds like you would be happy with an Electrix Repeater I will know what is an electrix repeater right now . >or several EH2880 synched by MIDI. Why several ? I thought that with only one its enough . I am reading just know the 2880 manual in PDF . When I finish I will be able to discuss this . The function on the RC50 that allows you to upload your preferred loop and use it as a click its great . I hope I understood well . I am reading . Thanks a lot . ramiro >The repeater allws you to multiply the length a phrase and then >overdub on a track which is the total length of the multiplied loop. sounds interesting . I did it with ableton LIve . Some loops 8 bars , some 2 bars , some 4 . its great this function . I also thought that it was possible with rc 50 and 2880 . thanks again ramiro > > >>I want to buy the best machine possible . >>I need help - please . >> >>I want to do percussion loops while listening to a click . >> >>I want the "maybe-imprecission" of my foot-tap does not affect the >>start and end of the loop/loops ( quantize my tap into the nearest >>beginning of bar) >> >>I want to do overdubs with different lenghts of bars >> >>I want to control the volume of every loop I add . >> >>I want to record a lot of overdubs ( 16 minimum) >> >>I would like to have the possibility of control reverb of each loop >>, I dont know if this is possible . >> >>.............. >>Which machines do that ? >>I really appreciatte help . >>I am in a hurry . I am starting to plan my solo show . >>I did all the things I mentioned before with Live ableton and a guy >>controlling it in one of my last shows . But now I want/need to do >>it alone. >>Regards >>Ramiro >>. > > >-- >... >http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 02:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 365923BEC5; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OGWqzw/kDXhV/Pa+cvf6llvlglyo6kjJboFI1Ca7c+XIwtC8929vD67E83XyuWihEWR5bUyN6fnJcB4J7qGNYmGnZyDLURB0mgW6hA/NtiZwsRJmcjTWSTvhuKynDDX4srBm3Z1SE8kh4Rtdzv//cNNUCy3wL0QsDi+8tsoHlxI= ; Message-ID: <20060602115616.7745.qmail@web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 04:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Buzap Subject: Re: RC-50: Multiply feature? (overdubbing w/ different lengths) To: LoopersDelight LD In-Reply-To: <007b01c68550$1eaf2330$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys yeah. I was thinking also about these possibilities: A. "Multiply" manually: - Method: Play each bar i.e. 4 times (even though it's 1/2 bars) - Drawback: Sometimes I have a spontanious idea later on that is just longer... B. Resample via external sampler: - Method: As described, resample loop on 2nd sampler. - Drawback: a bit cumbersome, have to keep an eye (and foot) on two loopers. You loose stereo if 2nd looper is mono. C. Resample within RC-50: - Method: I think this should work like this: Record Phrase 1 with 1 bar, Phrase 2 with 4 bars - in time sync. Route Phrase 1/2 to Subgroup on RC-50. Route subgroup to Phrase 3. Record Phrase 3 for 4 bars. - Drawback: Occupies all 3 Phrases of the RC-50. Be careful with routing, otherwise you get nice feedback ;-) Of all of these, Method C seems still the most attractive to me. Still, I'm not fully happy with it. I guess there are no alternatives either? EDP is just mono. I would be tempted to buy a Looperlative but not with such a tight RAM limitation. Best regards Buzap __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 03:23:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6AAD3BEC1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gvv6cAQ7f1GjsDgmWKK07Q14WorfcLgiiSSN+v6H6feR5qwsyWf/CZqBZ4dASFu2qTLxk4NNy2YAcOKsvtKN1b+lpsfo3/x5eBQgjm0kx6ZK5Y6nmAMx5Ij8MFTuhBZGcVVn9HYTwRCKieI2NFrKkc3wFgqy6lgbi+zyFy7/HMg= ; Message-ID: <20060604032259.87674.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:22:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060601070901.11931.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:23:00 +0000 (UTC) I've posted a pic of my current looping setup (with an inset shot of my fashion-risking no-shoes approach) on my Myspace page. It's the mid-sized rig which is more flexible than the smaller one but is easier to transport than the big-rack behemoth. Scroll down, it's on the right just above the 'Top 8'... -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 04:13:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F4A93BED2; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Avk0EP4fUxu13S+wzP7sAdChAm+CHtHtbEvGbx9bR3xSeTDtI5KfDku9y3cQ4EbvYcJ6N/gKKXFiYnKd93BDF2U2xxpa2+xsuCy5gHaLVW/4XmcydRMVu6JjZXvWBXOkes0Kx7sHCGVKdpbjlA0vnUnEPgyHIfyzIYLHMfrNyXA= Message-ID: <913728d60606032113i7a2cdbe0q24b63c10aa146af8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:13:16 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) In-Reply-To: <20060604032259.87674.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060601070901.11931.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060604032259.87674.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:13:18 +0000 (UTC) you mean to say that you have a bigger setup? now that i've got to see ;) i like the pic! i see you've got an XP300, those are really cool! :) Charlie On 6/3/06, Tim Nelson wrote: > I've posted a pic of my current looping setup (with an > inset shot of my fashion-risking no-shoes approach) on > my Myspace page. > It's the mid-sized rig which is more flexible than the > smaller one but is easier to transport than the > big-rack behemoth. > > Scroll down, it's on the right just above the 'Top > 8'... > > -t- > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 05:05:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED6933BEC7; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fLzhXI1wmwCIaxO9usRF0+gGRjbWsn2PJBQ0Dr95djKbzr90HHiXSBqxdWOKTFuW9OIJuiTQnm9z53QW20UXUWug1a7YmmZOFKxmb1pp9s1iesPdj6CDtu5kZCq8/h0RKEwhwRB6Od9fFEB3b1lmUDsLbwjnZNjF6e55QfNgbqU= ; Message-ID: <20060604050549.85091.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60606032113i7a2cdbe0q24b63c10aa146af8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:05:51 +0000 (UTC) --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > you mean to say that you have a bigger setup? > now that i've got to see ;) This setup actually rolls in in one trip from the car! There are a couple of pics of an earlier version (2001-2003) of the bigger setup inside the page's 'pics' section. The rig I was using right *before* that one (affectionately known as the missioncontrolherniamaker, 1998-2001) was absurdly huge, featuring a double-width rack that had a mono synth next to a 12 channel mixer on the top and a pull-out drawer for the poly synth in the middle under six spaces (3 x 2), power amps on the bottom, interior lighting and the all-important bottle opener on the side. I had a larger vehicle at the time; apart from needing two people to lift it in and out of the truck, it was an amazingly quick setup because everything in the rack stayed wired, and the whole thing was on wheels. The cover lifted off and became the stand for the rack, and the pedalboard and rack were connected by one color-coded snake. Five minute setup, often less. Stairs presented a bit of a problem, though... I have some pics of it somewhere... My bigger setup now is manageable (a 10 over 8 and a 7-space, with essentially the same pedalboard as the mid-sized rig), although a lot of its components are currently in the medium rig, so it's definitely not pret a porter. Also, being in separate racks, there's a lot more hook-up time... -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 05:36:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEFB43BED5; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VYbMPD1VR00MlQ1ltgLa69lQjJ4ibz4AQVS+hEFEe8hU1wC6Gp5+LTZEMUDBOUEphJrRozKnraIMLVT6KVrXnXLtrvF+5lR4w448CHln9+0FAp3hHU1HXS6FN7u5ubdfsdQSzr+A8O6s0y1S+N74Lt8UlpeZ9/TigkB3P3dfwEE= Message-ID: <913728d60606032236s2f126f3dqfd17f597c043d4e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:36:05 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) In-Reply-To: <20060604050549.85091.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60606032113i7a2cdbe0q24b63c10aa146af8@mail.gmail.com> <20060604050549.85091.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:36:06 +0000 (UTC) oh wow :) Charlie On 6/4/06, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > you mean to say that you have a bigger setup? > > now that i've got to see ;) > > This setup actually rolls in in one trip from the car! > > There are a couple of pics of an earlier version > (2001-2003) of the bigger setup inside the page's > 'pics' section. The rig I was using right *before* > that one (affectionately known as the > missioncontrolherniamaker, 1998-2001) was absurdly > huge, featuring a double-width rack that had a mono > synth next to a 12 channel mixer on the top and a > pull-out drawer for the poly synth in the middle under > six spaces (3 x 2), power amps on the bottom, interior > lighting and the all-important bottle opener on the > side. I had a larger vehicle at the time; apart from > needing two people to lift it in and out of the truck, > it was an amazingly quick setup because everything in > the rack stayed wired, and the whole thing was on > wheels. The cover lifted off and became the stand for > the rack, and the pedalboard and rack were connected > by one color-coded snake. Five minute setup, often > less. Stairs presented a bit of a problem, though... I > have some pics of it somewhere... > > My bigger setup now is manageable (a 10 over 8 and a > 7-space, with essentially the same pedalboard as the > mid-sized rig), although a lot of its components are > currently in the medium rig, so it's definitely not > pret a porter. Also, being in separate racks, there's > a lot more hook-up time... > > -t- > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 09:15:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 256B53BEDA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:15:05 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c687b7$5e757a00$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060604032259.87674.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcaHhi+Q0tfA1QQcRdqLLjqNYiOr7AAMRTqw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:15:09 +0000 (UTC) I think I get why you don't wear any shoes for looping - are these big = knobs on the Headrush and RC-20 for turning the dials with your (bare) feet? rtbs=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Juni 2006 05:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) >=20 > I've posted a pic of my current looping setup (with an inset=20 > shot of my fashion-risking no-shoes approach) on my Myspace=20 > page. > It's the mid-sized rig which is more flexible than the=20 > smaller one but is easier to transport than the big-rack behemoth. >=20 > Scroll down, it's on the right just above the 'Top 8'... >=20 > -t- >=20 > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD:=20 > Chain Tape Collective:=20 > >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection=20 > around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 09:54:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A67243BEE1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008a01c687bc$eb99bb80$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Use sampler to playback recording Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:54:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Use sampler to playback recordingIf you're not going to trigger the sampled 'found sounds' why not just use a cheap and easily-replaceable CD player? It would seem that the main limitation for your use here is the amount of time a sampler unit can store. ----- Original Message ----- From: Veda, Qua To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, 1 June, 2006 22:07 PM Subject: Use sampler to playback recording Hi I have experimented with recording "found sounds", burning to CD, playing the CD while I play Stick in live performance E.g. I play along to a 3min. recording I made of tree frog sounds I am considering the Roland Fantom XR (synth/sampler) for creating a wide variety of sounds from midi keybd. Then it occurred to me that I could also load my recordings into it, and play them back during live performance - instead of using a CD player or iPod. (as long as they don't exceed avail memory). I've never used a h/w sampler before, but I think this would work - correct ? http://www.roland.com/products/en/Fantom-XR/ -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 10:33:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 144E93BECC; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.3.239] X-Originating-Email: [slannyfaced@hotmail.com] X-Sender: slannyfaced@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4481C2D6.5010902@post.cybercity.dk> From: "Caleeb Cromb" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:33:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2006 10:33:43.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A026770:01C687C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:33:46 +0000 (UTC) hey, I just joined Loppers Delight and I'm gettinga ll these emails from the message board but I cant seem to find where to post questions of my own.....can you send me the link please... thanx, Caleb. From: Andreas Wetterberg Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:11:50 +0200 Art, to clarify this, there is a large chunk of pluggo documentation that you can get by downloading the pluggo demo for free. But the software needed is included in MaxMSP - remember that max itself is control-signals only ;) Andreas Art Simon wrote: >Thanks Stefan, I'm sold on Max. I've been dragging my feet about >upgrading (I'm an old Max user who used to do Midi stuff on a Mac >Plus). > >I'm curious what you mean that "the plugin specific stuff is coming >with pluggo". Do I need to purchase Pluggo in addition to Max? > >On 6/2/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >>With Max/MSP its a snap, you can download all documentation, the plugin >>specific stuff is coming with pluggo, if you finish your own pluggo >>within 30 days, you could even do it without paying for Max... (but its >>addicting, you might want to do anotherone) >>I can give you a hand... >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Have fun with your friends online! Look and sound great doing it. Start with a video from Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/canada/home/videos/default.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 10:40:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9043BED5; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SUBJ_YOUR_OWN autolearn=no version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4482B8B6.4000308@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:40:54 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Caleeb Cromb , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:40:56 +0000 (UTC) It's not a message board... it's a mailing list. Send the emails to Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com - I think it's pretty well documented on the loopers-delight website as well? A. Caleeb Cromb wrote: > hey, I just joined Loppers Delight and I'm gettinga ll these emails from > the message board but I cant seem to find where to post questions of my > own.....can you send me the link please... > > thanx, > Caleb. > > > From: Andreas Wetterberg > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Suggestions for writing your own custom looping VSTs > Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:11:50 +0200 > > Art, to clarify this, there is a large chunk of pluggo documentation > that you can get by downloading the pluggo demo for free. But the > software needed is included in MaxMSP - remember that max itself is > control-signals only ;) > > Andreas > > Art Simon wrote: >> Thanks Stefan, I'm sold on Max. I've been dragging my feet about >> upgrading (I'm an old Max user who used to do Midi stuff on a Mac >> Plus). >> >> I'm curious what you mean that "the plugin specific stuff is coming >> with pluggo". Do I need to purchase Pluggo in addition to Max? >> >> On 6/2/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >>> With Max/MSP its a snap, you can download all documentation, the plugin >>> specific stuff is coming with pluggo, if you finish your own pluggo >>> within 30 days, you could even do it without paying for Max... (but its >>> addicting, you might want to do anotherone) >>> I can give you a hand... >>> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling > get-togethers. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 10:44:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 626363BEE1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.3.239] X-Originating-Email: [slannyfaced@hotmail.com] X-Sender: slannyfaced@hotmail.com From: "Caleeb Cromb" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: echoplex foot pedal Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:43:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2006 10:43:58.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8F5EB10:01C687C3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Just bought myself an echoplex and was wondering what foot pedal or midi controller anyone would recommend....I bought the crappy one it comes with, but it is so limited.....I was thinking of the Behringer FCB 1010, but I dont know if it's compatible with it.....any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.... _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 10:58:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B08233BEF1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAFBWgkSBTYgMLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060604115226.01a8c2a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:58:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings In-Reply-To: <20060604053607.4D3603BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060604053607.4D3603BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:58:46 +0000 (UTC) >Turning on the wayback machine (OK, not THAT way-back, but...) and >I'm combing through the list for Y2K5 recordings. I'd like to get >any that I can get my hands on, since I've never been to the >festival and would love to hear what folks are playing. I found >these below, but seem to vaguely remember some CD's being available >too? Is there a complete list of online Y2K5 recordings available >anywhere still? http://www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm has my y2k5 audio + a pic Thanks to Krispen for recording it, and especially thanks to Rick for giving me a chance stretch out and play a most satisfying set. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 11:05:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E4FA3BEEA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=j9ovQ+K+mxzm4rRrEcrKKepBuNjutdKxnfwBD1Kk2fSdRGykYanG2klpM7dz+7XTg6ULrpAUhrxErBMZeRRofys3w9o0bHnvunk6gG2V+HQjiiCoHW7d0JAP+F+hJgWH2kReWixEKvN4qTzpHWaNCU7yMMJ9RZdATZOgPcHBO9M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060604032259.87674.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604032259.87674.qmail@web30011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <61287DBF-2AFB-404B-AC65-2AB0175D7A4C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:05:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:05:45 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jun 2006, at 05.22, Tim Nelson wrote: > my Myspace page. Now that's a very nice page! I really enjoyed listening to the music and reading about Tim's adventures. Yes, the gear shots are cute ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 11:19:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED2753BEE8; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SgDXrR3qbfTyp+DbqcUhuozOI1bqJr1+Yu/AXQfS46duJFmU7ISES2Z5r6HGatVYKcZkeU7t8JWP/YQQBHXwRzCBI7iGewXNSiZdh9NhNjxBfi+6NJxCQcBd/LYu+i/YRA/tBjW+0ZD2uougLZMaOMAdm9fAqokFWiIItCCTnnQ= ; Message-ID: <20060604111956.90914.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: AW: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c687b7$5e757a00$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:19:58 +0000 (UTC) --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I think I get why you don't wear any shoes for > looping - are these big knobs > on the Headrush and RC-20 for turning the dials with > your (bare) feet? Not originally. When I put those on there a few years ago (2003), I had always played both 1)shoed and 2)standing, but had just started using a non-rack setup which didn't include a mixer and manipulating the level knobs was the only way I had of fading my [fixed feedback] loops in and out without a bunch of volume pedals. The knobs are actually rubber 'feet' like you'd use on the bottom of a rack or road case, and I made labels for them so I could tell the setting at a glance in dim stage light. After using that setup for a short time, I was really missing the mixer, and tore apart the rig yet again. Then for a while (and I'm sure this is a familiar situation for many of you) I was in a period where I still hadn't had time to finish the rack/pedalboard overhaul but wasn't playing out all that often, so I was just bringing along a duffel bag full of pedals and setting up differently each show. During this time, I also started doing a lot more looping of ethnic and acoustic instruments, which I generally do sitting down; prior to this, almost all of my public looping had been standing and electric. In the setup in the picture at , though, I'm running each looper through its own channel on the mixer (except the Echopro, which I'm using to post-process and loop sub-mixes), so I'm not using the foot knobs at all. -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 11:57:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1466A3BEE1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jDelY9QYBgf3wRrcQBgU9WFHy5Gk0NXfx9ZijraFpHq/893NvlGOzZXXABKh0KHkK7jj/NipTSO4nq3NT1h0t1knnc95kGYvjg3c+MdIBGfudEI2ouj4RnU0wxuXPSY0lPd9haMDjdZDkoL0FbUR17rUv5+YHvxrVLETSxQpMT0= In-Reply-To: <2133.128.193.37.230.1149266911.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <2133.128.193.37.230.1149266911.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <20549C95-4EBF-487B-B8B9-F1A40AB4BB6B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:57:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi friends, A twenty minutes podcast mix from my collaborations with Bernhard =20 Wagner is published as the latest Looproom podcast episode. If you =20 have iTunes installed on your PC or Mac, just click the podcast link =20 below and download the episode (you brave subscribers have already =20 received it by now). This is the first podcast episode I have made that meets the Enhanced =20= Podcast format, which means pictures can be presented in iTunes as a =20 slide show synced to the music. Web links can also be carried by this =20= podcast format and for this particular show there is this info page: =20 http://www.looproom.com/bw/sf/. The recording was done in august 2005 after the hectic days of =20 Loopfestival Z=FCrich. Bernhard managed to borrow a room at Werkstatt =20= f=FCr Improvisierte Musik and we set up the gear and played for an =20 hour, before I had to rush for the airport to go back to Sweden. =20 Extremely tight schedule but it was great fun. Thank you very much, =20 Bernhard! BTW, I think Bernhard plays excellent looping guitar on that =20 recording! At least to my own taste; the less influences you hear in =20= musicians style the more I tend to like it ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 12:38:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BF953BEE4; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zkF/aKlBScNbN2o34MbNKZbHzDm8e6kXhjoy60v2TDJ5myLgGZgkOo8kdOOGBT6JD3gh2QXz7uTLtE9GoYtcfEFpKXKbi44ydTU0ZYyIjUXwlZprIpb96+5TM70Lz7wX8ZkIsQEqtqgvzAM8TXkSda7stU3vMT5UVfUK3CPDULI= ; Message-ID: <20060604123812.86561.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <61287DBF-2AFB-404B-AC65-2AB0175D7A4C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:38:14 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > Now that's a very nice page! I really enjoyed > listening to the music > and reading about Tim's adventures. Yes, the gear > shots are cute ;-) Kind of makes you want to trade in that ultra-portable laptop setup you've got for a half-ton of scratchy knobs, crackly wires and a slightly used transportvagn, doesn't it? No? ;) Glad you enjoyed the music. I haven't heard your 'Organisational Culture Loops' in a few months; I think I'll play it right now! Goes very well with coffee! -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 12:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71E243BEE4; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J6TDdNDVk87UQWSJPyFq5UtyOLkLvIrMssDE06Unol+aU7fnUDgfE2CVLZLZwNfLoXoFql9XtSMQm/sZGpKLAKys2PiG/gXI0Rl6ACbVD+9odCKaS0nUKTLm/Ds3nicH6auJZdvjnIEvjBV8pnJyl1/xly/Jr0wmO0We9xkY0sc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060604123812.86561.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604123812.86561.qmail@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:44:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:44:23 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jun 2006, at 14.38, Tim Nelson wrote: > Glad you enjoyed the music. I haven't heard your > 'Organisational Culture Loops' in a few months; I > think I'll play it right now! Goes very well with > coffee! He, he... yeah, that part where David Cowley is talking about "The Coffee Break" is just priceless! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 15:21:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C58E83BEDA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,206,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="236424881:sNHT28895084" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060604050549.85091.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604050549.85091.qmail@web30014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--671318438 Message-Id: <5957891f2f6d346c134261299646935e@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:22:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:21:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--671318438 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Tim, Popped over to your website via link and liked your music right off. Listened, read a little, looked at photos, was pretty impressed. We should compare chiropractor stories sometime (from the looks of your gear setup). Heheheh. Your list of influences has a number of odd common touchpoints with mine as well -- not the sort of ones (nor the combination) than you run into very often. I myself am quickly getting too old to do this stuff publicly. Every =20 time I perform out anymore I hurt something that takes a month (or 2) to =20 heal. I am now a walking talking grumpy collection of hurting aching bits and pieces and the thought of hauling a vanload of gear around too many more seasons thrills me less than it fills me with dread . . . =20 sometimes. Anywho, thanks for sharing. Onward and upward (mostly). tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1--671318438 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tim, Popped over to your website via link and liked your music right off. Listened, read a little, looked at photos, was pretty impressed. We should compare chiropractor stories sometime (from the looks of your gear setup). Heheheh. Your list of influences has a number of odd common touchpoints with mine as well -- not the sort of ones (nor the combination) than you run into very often. I myself am quickly getting too old to do this stuff publicly. Every time I perform out anymore I hurt something that takes a month (or 2) to heal. I am now a walking talking grumpy collection of hurting aching bits and pieces and the thought of hauling a vanload of gear around too many=20 more seasons thrills me less than it fills me with dread . . . sometimes. Anywho, thanks for sharing.=20 Onward and upward (mostly). tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1--671318438-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 16:25:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790E03BEDA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1wPW54LUkvYiv2/Sv8v/hI1sJHgLcKfMnHATfmVELXB1fdX54xCA1c1CM9/mdkd0xbBW90XXN50XvVN5rjHoJIL5xJkicgx7urEYbbdFvNjmcFAfTF6YouIFnAdEYN9TVLmT2KbtLhT9vcvGtbAo85Bfzpy4jNkVW53FC5+7WNQ= ; Message-ID: <20060604162523.59951.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Gear photos (was: Looping shoes) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5957891f2f6d346c134261299646935e@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:25:24 +0000 (UTC) --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > We should compare chiropractor stories sometime > (from the looks of your gear setup). No, really, this setup all fit on a handtruck which wheeled from the car in one trip. Nothing like the old days! After Per wrote, I played his CD, so in the interest of equal opportunity, I'm now playing Ted's 'Flux Aeterna' Just look at all those links! ;-P -t- > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 16:49:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC9D73BEE1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060531224346.20225.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060531224346.20225.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:50:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations Bill and Nancy! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 18:37:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4F9E3BECC; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M7mkGHBT/r8oRBbKG4z78ZkGfMAXu9EX0FGYeMe6+jo0ynOxihvW3NEbHTDMCBZ8yN1n0Se1lkgNVb1yWQwCKqGAPRwqYY6xdVQAlsYLoOHCYx5ZcOE1+lLu4jcb4+2wT+wtemSVGeCPre8jjpFvy2GMee58Bl9B2UnoMI4dVVI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:37:31 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex foot pedal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:37:33 +0000 (UTC) FCB 1010 is a great choice. Lots of features, easy on the wallett. On 6/4/06, Caleeb Cromb wrote: > Just bought myself an echoplex and was wondering what foot pedal or midi > controller anyone would recommend....I bought the crappy one it comes with, > but it is so limited.....I was thinking of the Behringer FCB 1010, but I > dont know if it's compatible with it.....any help or suggestions would be > greatly appreciated.... > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN(r) Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling > get-togethers. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN(r) Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 18:38:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC8243BEDE; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gpu1YdaUvQWpBMo4BkRVM3wEMLmDLBuX2+ivNH5KADX35sl7zFz4nga84gMtJH9spouxBSE4mQCJTyHi3D0sdhzftRayuS7HQeDkGnxU10ro5dXsdBLm7Z9mMQpK2kUJHcSvk732IgXlktqrZ73VfzJH+Dvv2jM3OdFV3ZAAwEE= ; Message-ID: <20060604183822.14859.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Repeater for sale in europe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060604162523.59951.qmail@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:38:24 +0000 (UTC) attention europeans, I am selling my repeater with latest O.S. and a simpletech 64MB card,with the hope of getting a looperlative, i will be putting it up in ebay soon i am in southern Germany and so if u r interested please contact me off list. cheers Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > > > --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > > We should compare chiropractor stories sometime > > (from the looks of your gear setup). > > No, really, this setup all fit on a handtruck which > wheeled from the car in one trip. Nothing like the > old > days! > > After Per wrote, I played his CD, so in the interest > of equal opportunity, I'm now playing Ted's 'Flux > Aeterna' > Just look at all those links! ;-P > > -t- > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > > > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > > > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 18:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15B263BEDE; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Cab Caligari, 8 June 2006, Chapel Hill NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:43:47 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing this Thursday in the show described below, as half of the looping duo Cab Caligari. If you're in the area and stop by, please say hello. thanks, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ################################## Cab Caligari, 8 June 2006, Chapel Hill NC Steve B and Randy Pelosi play as the improvisational electro-acoustic duo Cab Caligari on the opening night of this year's Wandering Star Project. Instrumentation is acoustic cello and electric arachnobass. http://www.subscapeannex.com/caligari/ Date: 8 June 2006 (Thursday) Time: night starts at 7pm-ish. Cab Caligari expected to start at 10pm. Location: Caffe Driade, 1215-A E Franklin St, Chapel Hill, NC 27514 Directions: http://www.caffedriade.com/index.cfm?view=6 Cab Caligari site: http://www.subscapeannex.com/caligari/ Cover: None. The full email of the 3-evening festival is included below this line: ----------------------------------------------------------------- In June the Wandering Star Project stirs from a long, dream-laden slumber to find itself in a curious, reflective mood. Ever inquisitive, the Project intends to explore the light and dark forces that move within all of us- our steadfast devotion to self-fulfillment, our startling tendency to self-destruction. The WSP invites a plethora of artist friends and curious onlookers to join them as they glide and stumble their way along the shadow line merging blinding luminescence with obscurity absolute. Fools Fire: Exploring Umbras Thursday, Friday, Saturday June 8, 9, 10 7-11 pm The outdoor photography exhibit will run nightly from dusk until 11pm, June 8th-17th. Caffe Driade 1215-A E Franklin St, Chapel Hill NC, 919.942.2333 Line-Up (So far): Thursday, June 8 Wandering Star Project featuring Lisa Furukawa Ray Cab Caligari dj tba Friday, June 9 Make Out With Bears (Shreveport, LA) performing Our Bodies Our Sleeves dj tba Saturday, June 10 Wandering Star Project featuring Lisa Furukawa Ray Twilighter dj tba ***WSP is always eager to meet artists with whom to work with. Anyone curious to participate in this and/or upcoming shows please be in touch. Multimedia, music, projection, fire workers, bodybuilders, superheroes, etc are welcome! artist info: http://www.wanderingstarproject.com/ http://www.lisa-ray.net/ http://www.subscapeannex.com/caligari/ http://www.myspace.com/ourbodiesoursleeves http://www.twilighter.net/ contact: Todd Jenkins tsweet2000@hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 19:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FDB73BECA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Another MP3 from my new album up at MySpace... Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:18:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Hello Looplings, I've just posted the title track from my new album, 'Behind Every Word', up on my MySpace page - www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson As with the rest of the album, it's one take, no edits, using just the Looperlative for looping (for those interested in what the LP functions are I'm using - it's got a next loop thing happening, reverse, lots of different tracks mainly unsynced, 'cue' to set up an A/B section, and I'm post-processing the whole thing at the end... It was all played on my 6 string fretless. If you want to buy the album, it's available on my webshop - www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - and if you order before June 20th, you get a whole other 60 minute album for free as a download. Yay! oh, and any of you that are last.fm users, both albums - Behind Every Word and the extra disc (Lessons Learned From The Fairly Aged Felines) are up on there, with 30 second previews of all the tracks, and selected whole tracks to listen to. :o) http://www.last.fm/music/Steve+Lawson/Behind+Every+Word http://www.last.fm/music/Steve+Lawson/Lessons+Learned+From+The+Fairly +Aged+Felines+%28Lessons+Learned+Pt+III%29 enjoy, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 20:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 391563BEDA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c68817$66b4fb40$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex foot pedal Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:42:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:42:30 +0000 (UTC) How can you say its sooo limited when you just got the EDP? how can you say its crappy? how can you know before knowing does that make you look good ? Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caleeb Cromb" To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: echoplex foot pedal > Just bought myself an echoplex and was wondering what foot pedal or midi > controller anyone would recommend....I bought the crappy one it comes > with, but it is so limited.....I was thinking of the Behringer FCB 1010, > but I dont know if it's compatible with it.....any help or suggestions > would be greatly appreciated.... > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling > get-togethers. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 20:53:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2FA3BEDA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FpbaLE7ept0ywieZbIvQYBd6m42ulPcesJMT2sSuuHj8EDLIg6luvrCVNqLhcg8qTDUPMr73uKiRrlt1WN4dbdquXEQLzG9sR+lfgT7tYwGkO1H8FKkrFHYvwKRNYXcnzFSaQ96nffZ8H0pZKiGw59XwzbBeAugq3BFIOHmM1KA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19BC9724-57A4-4B84-A729-02F7F7562704@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Another MP3 from my new album up at MySpace... Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:53:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:53:19 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jun 2006, at 21.18, Steve Lawson wrote: > new album, 'Behind Every Word', Bought it! I like the melodic quality of structure i Steve's music. Same vibe I get from J.S. Bach. Nice to keep some music like that in the iPod to balance out zoombiefication caused by too much Hassel or Robert Rich ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 21:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 603BA3BEDC; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:12:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1062666948==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:12:14 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1062666948==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Just an FYI. You can find the info under TERMS ON MYSPACE .. Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. 1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Services. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Content on or through the Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Content posted by you to or through the Services. 2. The Services contain Content of MySpace.com ("MySpace.com Content"). MySpace.com Content is protected by copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret and other laws, and MySpace.com owns and retains all rights in the MySpace.com Content and the Services. MySpace.com hereby grants you a limited, revocable, nonsublicensable license to reproduce and display the MySpace.com Content (excluding any software code) solely for your personal use in connection with viewing the Website and using the Services. 3. The Services contain Content of Users and other MySpace.com licensors. Except for Content posted by you, you may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the Services. -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1062666948==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Myspace OWNS your posted content....
Just an FYI.

 You can find the info under TERMS ON MYSPACE

 .. Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com.

 1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Services. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on or through the Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Content on or through the Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Content posted by you to or through the Services.
 2. The Services contain Content of MySpace.com ("MySpace.com Content"). MySpace.com Content is protected by copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret and other laws, and MySpace.com owns and retains all rights in the MySpace.com Content and the Services. MySpace.com hereby grants you a limited, revocable, nonsublicensable license to reproduce and display the MySpace.com Content (excluding any software code) solely for your personal use in connection with viewing the Website and using the Services.
 3. The Services contain Content of Users and other MySpace.com licensors. Except for Content posted by you, you may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the Services.
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--============_-1062666948==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 21:31:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F22513BEE1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c6881e$4837f120$30b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060603194500.4B943AFF53@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:31:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C687EB.FC3C9190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C687EB.FC3C9190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here you go: http://www.boisemusicians.com/y2k5_recordings.htm Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: CM=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Turning on the wayback machine (OK, not THAT way-back, but...) and I'm = combing through the list for Y2K5 recordings. I'd like to get any that = I can get my hands on, since I've never been to the festival and would = love to hear what folks are playing. I found these below, but seem to = vaguely remember some CD's being available too? Is there a complete = list of online Y2K5 recordings available anywhere still? =20 ...and.... what's the date(s) for Y2K6?... Cass P.S. Found those gallery pics again too (http://y2k5.grubmah.com/), = which is really cool for putting faces to names. Thanks for whoever put = that together! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Outstanding. Thanks, Greg. Here is the evolving list, folks, Ghost 7 included:=20 Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html I think Ted Killian is up next. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Powers=20 To: 'Kris Hartung'=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine = First Kris, =20 I am happy to share my file with the list. It was a first attempt at = looping live, thought I've used similar techniques in the studio. I'm = afraid it doesn't reach anywhere near what I had intended/hoped, but = that's showbiz, and I guess it's interesting as an example of a first go = at it. And there's a few good moments in there! =20 Best, =20 -greg- =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First =20 While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance = files, receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their = music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially = since mine was the only set where the streaming server went down and = thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play = AND monitor the stream at the same time! My brain just doesn't operate = that way. :) =20 So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, = evolving, improvisational piece: =20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html =20 Cheers, =20 Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com =20 p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the = broadcast with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... = :) =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C687EB.FC3C9190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here you go:
 
http://www.boi= semusicians.com/y2k5_recordings.htm
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 CM=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 = 1:25=20 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance=20 Recordings

Turning on the wayback machine = (OK, not THAT=20 way-back, but...) and I'm = combing through=20 the list for Y2K5 recordings.  I'd like to get any that I can get = my=20 hands on, since I've never been to the festival and would love to hear = what=20 folks are playing.  I found these=20 below, but seem to vaguely remember some CD's being available = too?  Is=20 there a complete list of online Y2K5 recordings available = anywhere=20 still?   =20

...and....=20 what's the date(s) for Y2K6?...

Cass

P.S.=20 Found those gallery pics again too = (http://y2k5.grubmah.com/), which = is really=20 cool for putting faces to names.  Thanks for whoever put that=20 together!
 
 

From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005=20 12:01 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Y2K5 Performance Recordings

Outstanding. Thanks, = Greg.
 
Here is the evolving list, folks, = Ghost 7=20 included:
 
Greg Powers
 
Ghost 7
 
Krispen Hartung
http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
 
I think Ted Killian is up = next.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg=20 Powers
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005 12:38=20 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First

Kris,

 

I am = happy to share=20 my file with the list. It was a first attempt at looping live, = thought I=92ve=20 used similar techniques in the studio. I=92m afraid it doesn=92t = reach anywhere=20 near what I had intended/hoped, but that=92s showbiz, and I guess = it=92s=20 interesting as an example of a first go at it. And there=92s a few = good=20 moments in there!

 

Best,

 

-greg-

 

From: Kris=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, = 2005 6:35=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings -=20 I Guess I'll Share Mine First

 

While I'm waiting for = others to=20 download their Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or = decide=20 whether they want to share their music with the LD list, I guess = I'll share=20 my set first, especially since mine was the only set where the = streaming=20 server went down and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. = Unfortunately, I=20 couldn't play AND monitor the stream at the same time!  My = brain=20 just doesn't operate that way.  = :)

 

So, for what it's = worth, here it=20 is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational=20 piece:

 

http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html

 

Cheers,

 

Krispen=20 Hartung

http://www.krispenhartung.com<= /SPAN>

 

p.s. Rainer, fess = up...who were=20 you able to record orver the broadcast with any degree of = fidelity?=20 Enquiring minds want to know... = :)

 

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C687EB.FC3C9190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 21:40:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C662A3BEC7; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5491B898-FCB0-4852-91E2-B92A96D5CDDB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:40:18 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:40:22 +0000 (UTC) My thoughts on this 'controversy' (posted yesterday on my blog) - http://steve.anthropiccollective.org/archives/2006/06/ myspace_controv.html Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 21:41:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3BB83BEDA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:46:28 +0200 Subject: live From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060604213151.6518A3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3232309588_1628594" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:41:12 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3232309588_1628594 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i'll be playing live & solo june 8 at le bokal, bordeaux. anyone near? just come by - i won't be able to check my mail after tomorrow until june 15. it'll be some very stripped down looped solo performance with just guitar, vocals, a lexicon jamman & some minor fx. random love songs - as on jayrope.kliklak.net or myspace.com/randomloveagain (mysapce recently deleted my random love songs profile twice, so thats version 3 already...) best from -yet- berlin, jayrope --B_3232309588_1628594 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable live i'll be playing live & solo

june 8 at le bokal, bordeaux.

anyone near? just come by - i won't be able to check my mail after tomorrow= until june 15.

it'll be some very stripped down looped solo performance with just guitar, = vocals, a lexicon jamman & some minor fx.

random love songs - as on jayrope.kliklak.net or myspace.com/randomloveagai= n
(mysapce recently deleted my random love songs profile twice, so thats vers= ion 3 already...)

best from -yet- berlin, jayrope
 --B_3232309588_1628594-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 21:46:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 190D53BEDE; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:46:40 -0400 From: enat21213@aol.com Message-Id: <8C856377F391519-1BCC-41FA@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: nomorestarsrecords.com .......looping and more! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.72 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:46:46 +0000 (UTC) the first two electric bird noise(loop and layered cinematic guitar music) records are now available though the new online record label nomorestarsrecords.com check out some samples download the records ($5.00 each via pay pal.... art everything included). also available is my rock/pop/electro/punk looping band something about vampires and sluts. come by check it out! brian nomorestarsrecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 22:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F4A3BEC7; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010601c68826$98d70140$30b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live Clip from Last Night Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:31:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC) I played an at an interesting event last night, at McCall, Idaho (USA). It is a hip little, high mountain resort town with a big lake next to it, etc. My percussionist friend, Jared Hallock, coordinated a percussion-based show, with marimba, various percussion instruments, some found sound percussion, an avant-garde bassoon performance (from one of his music professors), including some acting from the local theater group integrated into the performances. I played a short set, and also played background music for one of the acting performances. Here is my short set, on acoustic guitar, and my stand-alone notebook looping system. Unfortunately, I recorded it in mono by accident, so I lost all my cool stereo imaging (damn!!!)...but I was able to add a simulated stereo effect when I mastered the file today. http://www.box.net/public/e94oikjn5a Kris ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 22:59:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 622E83BEDA; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EWgIdf6tVp5Dwx2Z4Z0CqFuU11qIczuag8RvhrJfwbffB/aSzM1bCMdPH0EW+Cq4Jy0pLurrK9hZrPbuNd/MeOcbOOGMjpCKEiHYqMcBdakLfRYu11qJ04TurkUvdF50nk7+/opN7iI897DytG1Aa8DURF0n1Fd01wRx4YJJceM= In-Reply-To: <20549C95-4EBF-487B-B8B9-F1A40AB4BB6B@gmail.com> References: <2133.128.193.37.230.1149266911.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <20549C95-4EBF-487B-B8B9-F1A40AB4BB6B@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11C48608-7B06-4974-ACAC-61660C6399C9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:59:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 4, 2006, at 4:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > If you have iTunes installed on your PC or Mac, just click the > podcast link Hi Per When I click on the url http://tinyurl.com/fauvm I get this: *Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to.* Am I supposed to do it from within iTunes or something I am missing? I tried Safari and Firefox. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 23:09:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128A73BEDE; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KeRZ64U0dCT6pCsoTYJwXQz3nu7GAGuEUNt3PkW+IpjL2slkFTOgBdVdE4GkdpXn; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24878515.1149462540739.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c468642b0bcea89ea03192243c2e3e1860db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:09:02 +0000 (UTC) worx fer me-and it soundz great-thanx fer that. s -----Original Message----- >From: RP Collier >Sent: Jun 4, 2006 6:59 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published > > >On Jun 4, 2006, at 4:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> If you have iTunes installed on your PC or Mac, just click the >> podcast link > >Hi Per > >When I click on the url http://tinyurl.com/fauvm I get this: > >*Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to.* > > >Am I supposed to do it from within iTunes or something I am missing? >I tried Safari and Firefox. > >regards > >BobC > > >http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 >http://tinyurl.com/cr25j >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 23:20:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C902A3BEE4; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060604183822.14859.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060604183822.14859.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:16:43 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: Re: Repeater for sale in europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:20:39 +0000 (UTC) how much? >attention europeans, >I am selling my repeater with latest O.S. and a >simpletech 64MB card,with the hope of getting a >looperlative, i will be putting it up in ebay soon i >am in southern Germany and so if u r interested please >contact me off list. >cheers >Luis > > > > > >--- Tim Nelson wrote: > >> >> >> --- tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> > We should compare chiropractor stories sometime >> > (from the looks of your gear setup). >> >> No, really, this setup all fit on a handtruck which >> wheeled from the car in one trip. Nothing like the >> old >> days! >> >> After Per wrote, I played his CD, so in the interest >> of equal opportunity, I'm now playing Ted's 'Flux >> Aeterna' >> Just look at all those links! ;-P >> >> -t- >> >> > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >> > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >> > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> > >> >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 >> > >> >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 >> > >> >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >> >> >> >> 'Rantai' CD: >> 'Mesh' CD: >> Chain Tape Collective: >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 23:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D3443BEE1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mP2FwEeegCIyD4wsX4+lC5Zl8StyKgNnld0+nTylottFbwxqkz788I4zCrJc5xZp+b+kdJlmdsUDNKlW+iNwn0jQoL1ZXMxcVln4SznX3hsbfDbQnfJrwMK1DMU90GIItPVR8mhuM96nseEIz2RNEjfzxQKPulA2lK5/bEUOJQg= In-Reply-To: <11C48608-7B06-4974-ACAC-61660C6399C9@gmail.com> References: <2133.128.193.37.230.1149266911.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <20549C95-4EBF-487B-B8B9-F1A40AB4BB6B@gmail.com> <11C48608-7B06-4974-ACAC-61660C6399C9@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A608E8B-5C60-44F3-9F49-A3618FEA502B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:37:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:37:57 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jun 2006, at 00.59, RP Collier wrote: > When I click on the url http://tinyurl.com/fauvm I get this: > *Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to.* > Am I supposed to do it from within iTunes or something I am > missing? I tried Safari and Firefox. Maybe it's the "tinyurl" thing that doesn't go too well with your ISP? Anyway, the podcast link at http://www.looproom.com/bw/sf/ is Apple's own URL for the feed and should work. That URL is a bit long, but it goes: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=128679560&s=143456 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 4 23:51:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B0183BEDC; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BHLe+GOsVBHccYYviIaRVEZYSb2Cg1zHHoWv5y9r4fYJQCa5hYPnui3iRA32Talitz/ExmyFKOfCTUl+XhvdsYgIOg3n6Oi6++Z/2k/bnxKoPGkplgWrxcS5HkJiyngULUMDz2CwxQOyJ+THhZfGnt/dPRxChRhdTkQ9oSZVqK4= In-Reply-To: <9A608E8B-5C60-44F3-9F49-A3618FEA502B@gmail.com> References: <2133.128.193.37.230.1149266911.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <20549C95-4EBF-487B-B8B9-F1A40AB4BB6B@gmail.com> <11C48608-7B06-4974-ACAC-61660C6399C9@gmail.com> <9A608E8B-5C60-44F3-9F49-A3618FEA502B@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B1A3E55-44C3-44B3-9BC0-D069BCCEC60D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 16:51:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:51:57 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 4, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Maybe it's the "tinyurl" thing that doesn't go too well with your ISP? I use tinyurl all the time without problems but maybe it is one of those arbitrary * let's not work for today * sort of things. :-) Got the file from the Looproom link. Very clean sound and rich soaring space! thanks BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 01:14:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA60F3BEC7; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060604181127.01ea3760@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:14:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... In-Reply-To: References: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:14:35 +0000 (UTC) At 02:12 PM 6/4/2006, you wrote: > .. Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. > > 1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, > text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of > authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or > through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a > non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with > the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) > to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly > display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on > and through the Services. This license will terminate at the time > you remove such Content from the Services... Good eye! This is pretty standard boilerplate. What it says is that MySpace aka FOX, can use your content as long as you have it posted. They don't own it but you've granted them a nonexclusive license to use it any way they damn please. The nice thing is that the license terminates the instant you remove your content from MySpace. So if you go platinum, no worries. ;-) Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 01:27:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C7773BEDE; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060604182646.01eb1158@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:27:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re:RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060604115226.01a8c2a0@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060604053607.4D3603BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060604115226.01a8c2a0@tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:27:44 +0000 (UTC) At 03:58 AM 6/4/2006, Andy wrote: >>Turning on the wayback machine (OK, not THAT way-back, but...) and >>I'm combing through the list for Y2K5 recordings. I'd like to get >>any that I can get my hands on, since I've never been to the >>festival and would love to hear what folks are playing. I found >>these below, but seem to vaguely remember some CD's being available >>too? Is there a complete list of online Y2K5 recordings available >>anywhere still? > >http://www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm > >has my y2k5 audio + a pic Nice set! What else do you have on the table in the pic besides the twin EDPs? Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 02:11:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3681C3BEDC; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:20:06 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... To: Message-id: <000e01c68846$902d1640$f092a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C68825.08739D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00d701c6795b$82aedac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 02:11:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C68825.08739D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Myspace OWNS your posted content....Jeeze - in my case then that means = Myspace and C|Net can take eachother to court over the ownership of my = music. Awesome. Who's got the popcorn? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Zwicky=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... Just an FYI. You can find the info under TERMS ON MYSPACE .. Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. 1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, = text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of = authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or = through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, = fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to = sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, = modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, = reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the = Services. This license will terminate at the time you remove such = Content from the Services. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own = the Content posted by you on or through the Services or otherwise have = the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) the = posting of your Content on or through the Services does not violate the = privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any = other rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, = and any other monies owing any person by reason of any Content posted by = you to or through the Services. 2. The Services contain Content of MySpace.com ("MySpace.com = Content"). MySpace.com Content is protected by copyright, trademark, = patent, trade secret and other laws, and MySpace.com owns and retains = all rights in the MySpace.com Content and the Services. MySpace.com = hereby grants you a limited, revocable, nonsublicensable license to = reproduce and display the MySpace.com Content (excluding any software = code) solely for your personal use in connection with viewing the = Website and using the Services. 3. The Services contain Content of Users and other MySpace.com = licensors. Except for Content posted by you, you may not copy, modify, = translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, distribute, perform, display, = or sell any Content appearing on or through the Services. --=20 ... http://www.zmix.net ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C68825.08739D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Myspace OWNS your posted content....
Jeeze - in my case then that means = Myspace and=20 C|Net can take eachother to court over the ownership of my music. =20 Awesome.  Who's got the popcorn?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Zwicky
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 = 5:12 PM
Subject: Myspace OWNS your = posted=20 content....

Just an = FYI.

 You=20 can find the info under TERMS ON MYSPACE

 .. Proprietary = Rights in=20 Content on MySpace.com.

 1. By displaying or publishing=20 ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, = sounds,=20 profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively,=20 "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to = MySpace.com, a=20 non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with = the right=20 to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, = modify,=20 adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, = reproduce,=20 transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. = This=20 license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the = Services.=20 You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you = on or=20 through the Services or otherwise have the right to grant the license = set=20 forth in this section, and (ii) the posting of your Content on or = through the=20 Services does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, = copyrights,=20 contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay = for all=20 royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by reason of = any=20 Content posted by you to or through the Services.
 2. The = Services=20 contain Content of MySpace.com ("MySpace.com Content"). MySpace.com = Content is=20 protected by copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret and other = laws, and=20 MySpace.com owns and retains all rights in the MySpace.com Content and = the=20 Services. MySpace.com hereby grants you a limited, revocable, = nonsublicensable=20 license to reproduce and display the MySpace.com Content (excluding = any=20 software code) solely for your personal use in connection with viewing = the=20 Website and using the Services.
 3. The Services contain = Content of=20 Users and other MySpace.com licensors. Except for Content posted by = you, you=20 may not copy, modify, translate, publish, broadcast, transmit, = distribute,=20 perform, display, or sell any Content appearing on or through the=20 Services.
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C68825.08739D80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 05:35:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52B803BECA; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 05:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents The Ministry of Inside Things with General Chaos Visuals Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:35:40 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000401c68861$e187b390$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 05:35:13 +0000 (UTC) THiS JUST iN - AMBiENT PiNG RADiO iS NOW LiVE http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment more info here: http://www.theambientping.com/index.html#pingradio and now this message from Scott M2 Hi everybody... This week the PiNG is proud to present our=20 counterparts from Philadelphia. Chuck and Art from Spacemusic=20 duo The Ministry of Inside Things are also the presenters of the=20 world-renowned ambient and electronic music series The Gatherings.=20 http://www.thegatherings.org Please come out and make them welcome here as they tour their=20 latest CD and remember that your regular presence and support for=20 the PiNG series is what keeps it happening. See you there . . .=20 Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS =20 @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto=20 (NW corner, upstairs across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THiS Tuesday June 6th . The Ministry of Inside Things=20 (Philadelphia, PA) with General Chaos Visuals MoIT's Spring/Summer 2006 Tour touches down at the PiNG to=20 bring us another taste of their spacemusic.=20 The Ministry of Inside Things (electronic musician Chuck van Zyl and electric guitarist Art Cohen) are considered among the most innovative of US synthesists today. Influenced by the early music of Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze and Ash Ra Tempel, their=20 spacemusic has been described as linear, leading the listener across=20 many sonic terrains. Based on improvisation, The Ministry of Inside=20 Things creates electronic realizations that flow from theme to theme, with the experience often lasting up to two hours. Through use of textures and atmospheres as well as harmony, rhythm and melody, the group transports the audience on an internal sonic excursion. Chuck van Zyl has been recording electronic music & performing in public for over 15 years. Van Zyl originally worked under the name Xisle, but is best known for hosting one of the US's most successful radio shows of electronic music, STAR'S END, for over 20 years. Art Cohen has been pushing the limits of the electric guitar in the studio and in live performance for well over 15 years. He uses processing to enhance the space around his guitar and loops his live sound to create lush layers to create soundworlds of immense depth and beauty. http://www.synkronosmusic.com/moit.html General Chaos Visuals will also be in the house to illuminate MOIT=20 and to fill our eyes with their unique blend of visual candy. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Before Sets CD . LiVE by SADU This week we get a sneak preview of SADU's premiere CD to=20 be released at next week's PiNG featuring SADU (Sylken,=20 Anomalous Disturbances and URM). http://www.pingthings.com/SYLKENping.htm http://www.pingthings.com/ADhovr.htm http://www.pingthings.com/URM2.htm Between Sets CD . One by TouchXtone Visit http://www.pingthings.com/TOUCHone.htm to find out more about this week's between set CD and tune in to=20 ping things radio every Sun & Wed from 9pm to 12 midnight EST=20 at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment to hear music from this and other discs in the ping things catalogue. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 COMiNG Tuesday June 13th . SADU=20 Sylken with Anomalous Disturbances (Vancouver, BC) and URM=20 SADU invites you to THE AMBiENT PiNG to bask in some liquid=20 sound paintings, spacious atmospheres and ambient vibes to float=20 your mind on. Eric Hopper (Sylken), Terry O'Brien (Anomalous=20 Disturbances, visiting from Vancouver) and Jamie Todd (URM)=20 team up to bring you an evening of spacey synth washes, looping=20 ambient guitar cascades, rhythmic grooves and virtual laptop=20 soundshaping for your enjoyment. Tonight will also see the=20 release of the new 'SADU LiVE' CD which features deep=20 ambient soundforms performed by Eric, Terry and=20 Jamie during 2005. SADU LiVE will be available=20 from rik @ his ping things CD bar and online store. http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com=20 http://www.sylken.ca=20 http://www.urm.ca=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Wednesday June 7th . "Brodie's Back In Town Festival" Lina Allemano Four - Lina Allemano trumpet; Brodie West alto=20 saxophone; Andrew Downing bass; Nick Fraser drums. 9:30pm . The Rex (194 Queen St W) * Thursday June 8th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians=20 who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players=20 of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East =20 =20 * Thursday June 8th . FOUR LINES Presented by Continuum @ soundaXis featuring: =20 Rob Clutton (double bass) Nilan Perera (guitar + percussion)=20 Sarah Peebles (electronics) Barnyard Drama (Christine Duncan,=20 vocals + Jean Martin, percussion). =20 At around 7 o'clock you'll find Rob Clutton playing his double=20 bass at Grange Park, south of the AGO. Rob will be walking and=20 playing his way to the Donnelly Centre as part of Continuum=92s=20 four lines project. Listen out for Christine Duncan and Jean Martin=20 along Philosopher's Walk, following the green spaces southwards.=20 Rendez-vous with Sarah Peebles at La Palette on Augusta Ave.=20 Bring your bike 'cos she'll be travelling by pedicab, mixing the=20 sounds of bees and birds as she goes. Once at the Donnelly=20 Centre, the "four lines" artists will perform throughout the space -=20 on wooden platforms in the enormous bamboo grove, from=20 overhanging balconies, nestled in the intersecting curves=20 of two intricately tiled walls. *Starting points @ 7pm: 1. Grange Park 2. Edward Johnson Building, Philosopher's Walk, U of T 3. La Palette Restaurant 256 Augusta Avenue (S. of College) *Arrival point @ 7:45pm: The Donnelly Centre, 160 College=20 Street (W. of University) * Thursday June 8th . TOUCH SPACE Presented by Continuum @ soundaXis - TOUCH SPACE is a=20 spatially-conceived concert in the University of Toronto=92s new=20 Donnelly Centre for Cellular and Biomolecular Research (by=20 German architects Behnisch and Behnisch and Toronto's=20 architectsAlliance). Curved interior walls jut into the sharp-edged=20 glazed shell of the triple height lobby area, the ceiling punctured=20 by multi-hued skylights. The works featured in the concert all=20 share a fascination with space and architectural structure. Xenakis' visceral Okho for 3 djembes and bass drum transforms mathematical concepts into a physically charged work of almost ritualistic power. Gossamer lines entangle in Sciarrino's seductive Lo Spazio Inverso - a transparent pairing with mathematician and=20 composer Ristic's turbulent and spacious Environnements=20 improvis=E9s. Steenhuisen's Hobo Action Figures steps outside=20 highbrow architecture to speak in the vernacular of the campsite=20 and the open sky: improvised music with pre-recorded narration. Iannis Xenakis (France): Plekto (1993) + Okho (1989) Salvatore Sciarrino (Italy): Lo Spazio Inverso (1985) Paul Steenhuisen (Canada): Hobo Action Figures (2004) Andr=E9 Ristic (Canada): Environnements improvis=E9s (2002) 8:15pm . The Donnelly Centre 160 College St. (W. of University) =20 $20 regular | $10 seniors and arts workers | $5 students =20 * Thursday June 8th - Sunday, July 11th, 2006=20 Gary Topp presents SUN RA ARKESTRA Lula Lounge, 1585 Dundas St. W., Toronto $30 advance=20 * Friday June 9th . TELEVISION=20 EARLY SHOW: doors at 6 PM . The Phoenix Concert Theatre,=20 410 Sherbourne St., Toronto . $39.50 advance - 19+ * Friday June 9th . Eric Stach presents THE SCREAM =20 a festival of New Music, Noise/Sound IMPROVISATION a 10 week Friday Night Series May 5th to July 7th Musicians are welcome to drop by and play Place: 105 Clarence Street, London, Ontario, between Hill and South, west of Wellington.=20 9:30pm -1:00 am Every FRIDAY NIGHT no cover byob =20 * Friday June 9th . The Music of Iannis Xenakis Guest Artist: Lori Freedman, bass clarinet New Music Concerts Ensemble; Robert Aitken, artistic director 7:15 Illuminating Introduction | 8:00 Concert Glenn Gould Studio (CBC Broadcast Centre): 250 Front St. W Tickets: $25 regular $15 seniors $5 students (Cheapseats) =20 * Friday, June 9th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT 9:00 bailey/ van tassel/ willes/ yolevsky [james bailey (found + homemade instruments) josh van tassel=20 (sampler) chris willes (tenor saxophone) mitch yolevsky (clarinet)] = 10:00 digasbarro/ downing/ haley [romina digasbarro (guitar, voice, compositions) andrew downing=20 (bass) geordie haley (guitar)] =20 11:00 chenaux/ lumley [eric chenaux (guitar) aaron lumley (guitar)] =20 9:00pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste/ 218 $10/6 =20 * Saturday June 10th . A part of soundaXis 108?Walking Through Tokyo A portrait of Tokyo for gallery exhibit / theatre screening=20 (January 2006, 50 minutes) =20 Sarah Peebles - 50-minute soundscape portrait of the=20 ever-changing metropolis without a centre Christie Pearson - digital images of Tokyo's architecture,=20 spaces and life=20 Yoshimura Hiroshi - essay on Tokyo's soundscape past & present =20 "108 -Walking through Tokyo" immerses the viewer in the richness=20 of a metropolis through image and sound. A journey created by=20 two Toronto artists: soundscape by composer Sarah Peebles;=20 images by artist/architect Christie Pearson. The screening is=20 contextualized by Urban Deconstructions, currently on view at=20 Goethe-Institut Gallery, with work by Alekos Hofstetter and=20 Holger Lippmann of Berlin, and architects Paul Raff and David=20 Warne of Toronto. A 12 min. video-loop from this show=20 precedes Walking through Tokyo. Presented by the Goethe-Institut and soundaXis in cooperation=20 with the Japan Foundation.=20 11 am . Goethe-Institut, Kinowelt Hall 163 King St. W. . Free * Saturday June 10th . Ambience in the mill an Evening of ambient light and sound with Collapsible Frequency Flow and special guest 7.30 pm . Goldie Mill Ruins, Guelph ON Free . bring something to sit on=20 * Saturday June 10th . Quadraphonics - Tribute to Iannis Xenakis With Penderecki String Quartet, Lafayette String Quartet, Rocca String Quartet and Sirius String Quartet=20 Presented by Perimeter Institute and NUMUS 7:30 pm . Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics 31 Caroline Street North, Waterloo, ON (behind the Clay & Glass=20 Museum on Erb & Caroline Streets) Adults $20 and Full-time Students (with valid student ID) $15 * Saturday June 10th . CONTACT contemporary music &=20 New Adventures In Sound Art present THE POWER OF SPACE As part of soundaXis festival of architecture, music & acoustics The music of Iannis Xenakis, Barry Truax, Paul Dolden, Michael Gordon and the world premiere of Oracle, a new work by=20 Wende Bartley. Featuring performances by cellist Alex Grant,=20 percussionist Jerry Pergolesi, and guest vocalists Maryem Tollar=20 and David Wall. 8:00 PM . The Ontario College of Art & Design (100 McCaul St.) =20 $15 Adults . $10 Seniors/Students * Sunday, June 11th . The NOW Series presented by AIMToronto and the NOW Lounge 2:00 - Workshop- Rob Clutton- developing solo repertoire=20 (improv and composition =20 4-7pm - Drumheller + Convergence Ensemble =20 Drumheller: brody west- alto sax, doug tielli- trombone,=20 eric chenaux- guitar, rob clutton- bass, nick fraser- drums =20 Convergence Ensemble: evan shaw- alto sax, scott thomson-=20 trombone, ken aldcroft- guitar, wes neal- bass, joe sorbara- drums =20 2-7pm . The NOW Lounge 189 Church St. . $6 * Sunday, June 11th . "Brodie's Back In Town Festival" Lina Allemano Four - Lina Allemano trumpet; Brodie West alto=20 saxophone; Andrew Downing bass; Nick Fraser drums. 9:30pm . The Rex (194 Queen St W) =20 * June 1st - 11th . soundaXis Architecture . Music . Acoustics New Music Arts Projects presents soundaXis, a city-wide festival=20 celebrating architecture, music and acoustics that will transform=20 Toronto into a playground of sound and space exploration. For=20 two weeks, the city will be alive with concerts, interdisciplinary=20 installations, symposia, screenings and site-specific musical events. More info here: http://www.soundaxis.ca =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live=20 performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and=20 experimental music artists plus performers from around the world,=20 every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor.=20 http://www.theambientping.com=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .=20 Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in=20 live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to=20 any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 05:42:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1E73BEC1; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 05:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mXd0RBLxqd2Lwcx1V9K3qjbJU7rujJ/kXwfgaPlbV8/GOEyUVb9Zuxdh/yEjgqgj9+aGBkYqF09QOxkmWt1CXhwmX32/Tskrd3O+U5F0glWUBIKd2ux3X89qoONzo4b1zL0lfqEied8HlRc9I8OlL80iEEbPK0ge+wfZOUltQAY= ; Message-ID: <20060605054208.52476.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. 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Mail has the best spam > >> protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 09:53:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC0493BEC1; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010901c687bc$b38691a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:53:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:53:06 +0000 (UTC) This is so chilling as to defy belief!!!!!! I think very, very few musicians on MySpace know about this at all (see below). I know that Tribe.net is about to add both audio and video files. I've been in contact with them (lobbying heavily for this service because they have lost out so much to MySpace) so I will write them and ask them what their response is to this policy and what policy they , themselves intend. If I get a satisfactory and respectful answer to this situation I"ll let everyone know and then, perhaps we can start a Live Loopers at Tribe.net thread. Mark Sottilaro already has a Cycletronica tribe at tribe for loopers and I started a LiveLoopers tribe there, so we already have some presence. More to come............................... yours, Rick Walker ps what prompted this missive: You can find the info under TERMS ON MYSPACE .. Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. 1. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 11:13:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 767E83BED2; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAHqhg0SBTIgLLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060605110221.01b4f790@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:34:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (andy gear) In-Reply-To: <20060605095307.AB5DD3BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060605095307.AB5DD3BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:13:25 +0000 (UTC) >>http://www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm >> >>has my y2k5 audio + a pic > >Nice set! What else do you have on the table in the pic besides the >twin EDPs? > >Cheers, >Kevin thanks Kevin :-) "on the table" are ADA MP1 tube pre-amp ( just used as a pre at y2k5, the distortion comes from the guitar ) Lexicon Vortex EDPs Ebow Ancient guitar tuner andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 12:44:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021673BEB5; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1149511475!17782486!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:44:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6889D.CBFC9950" Resent-Message-ID: <05gwQD.A.r7F.2cChEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:44:39 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6889D.CBFC9950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" here's another 2c worth: I have a macbook pro, which is an intel-powered dual-core 1.8Ghz laptop. it has 2 Gb of ram. the whole thing cost almost twice as much as the nearest PC equivalent BUT it is running parallels workstation virtual machine, which means that I have "enormous predatory feline" (I forget which one) & w2k running on the box simultaneously. no rebooting. the only thing I have to do to make this work is the occasional bit of device-sharing futzery. for instance, the pc bit isn't allowed to directly access any of the drives unless they are "handed over" from one o/s to the other. the pc bit uses a soft-partition on the main hard drive, & it occupies a maximum of half the ram while the vm is running. that said, I have vegas & corel running quite happily on it. I aim to try some more apps in due course. vegas has captured from a fire-wire connected dv deck, & has recorded through the mac's optical audio input. the best part, though, for those of us that can never leave anything alone, is that different "builds" of the "guest o/s" can be saved. all of them have their dealings with the host hardware abstracted by some software intermediary, so there's no dicking around with registry entries. basically, any hardware that I attach to the mac that the host o/s can deal with, the guest o/s is ok with too. I like this arrangement a lot. the only problem I have now is that I keep clicking in the wrong corner to shut stuff. :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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here's another 2c worth: I have a macbook pro, which is a= n intel-powered dual-core 1.8Ghz laptop. it has 2 Gb of ram.
the whole thing cost almost twice as much as the nearest= PC equivalent BUT it is running parallels workstation virtual machine, whi= ch means that I have "enormous predatory feline" (I forget which = one) & w2k running on the box simultaneously. no rebooting.

the only thing I have to do to make this work is the occa= sional bit of device-sharing futzery.
for instance, the pc bit isn't allowed to directly acces= s any of the drives unless they are "handed over" from one o/s to= the other. the pc bit uses a soft-partition on the main hard drive, & = it occupies a maximum of half the ram while the vm is running.

that said, I have vegas & corel running quite happily= on it. I aim to try some more apps in due course. vegas has captured from = a fire-wire connected dv deck, & has recorded through the mac's optical= audio input.

the best part, though, for those of us that can never lea= ve anything alone, is that different "builds" of the "guest = o/s" can be saved. all of them have their dealings with the host hardw= are abstracted by some software intermediary, so there's no dicking around = with registry entries.

basically, any hardware that I attach to the mac that the= host o/s can deal with, the guest o/s is ok with too.

I like this arrangement a lot. the only problem I have no= w is that I keep clicking in the wrong corner to shut stuff. :-)

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6889D.CBFC9950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 14:27:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 232073BECA; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Software vs Hardware, Laptop vs Oldskool - post scriptum Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:27:48 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c688ac$388db000$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000601c6872d$0f61bee0$0101a8c0@succubus> Thread-Index: AcaHLQ6QtwHQJBRkT768d5FeMXSV1ABfiU4w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) One important issue had been missing from my initial post: > B: Comparison of both setups 9. Flexibilty and Instant Reconfiguration: Sometimes, you want to change or expand your configuration. Like having another submix to send one to the looper, the second one to a compressor and the third one to something else. Or you suddenly want - for one specific tune - to have the snare drum and the crash cymbal on their own mixer channels for dedicated treatment. Or you want to try out a new processor you've just stumbled across. With the hardware setup, it's either not possible (currently, both the Kaoss and the Triple-C share a submix - meaning that the Kaoss's noise is present when I want some drums do be enhanced by the Triple-C's envelope compressor), or it takes a considerable amount of time to get it done, and the same amount of time to restore it to the old state. With the laptop, it's very quick to just plugin a new VST, expandability is only limited by the computer's power (meaning, in the example from above, it's easily possible to just add another subgroup), there's total recall (meaning restoring the last configuration simply means loading the last Live setup), and it's even possible mid-performance (not within a tune, mind you, but while I explain to the audience who I am and what I do or whatever). In this category: a clear win for the laptop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 15:48:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32F4C3BEB3; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000b01c688ac$388db000$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000b01c688ac$388db000$0101a8c0@succubus> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:49:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Software vs Hardware, Laptop vs Oldskool - post scriptum Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:48:54 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to make a case for the dedicated hardware approach. Lately I have been using the EH 2880 looper. It has one particular design philosophy that I like: No multi-function buttons or knobs. Each knob and each button performs one function only. No menues, no 'virtual' knobs. This device has encouraged me to pull out my stompboxes again... more knobs! -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 16:15:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B0693BEB3; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Mark!! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Congratulations Bill and Nancy! Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 16:50:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69D6E3BEB3; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: LOOPER BILL WALKER GETTING MARRIED Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:49:51 -0400 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Server-Quench: 4f3e2a6e-f4b3-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.47/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:50:03 +0000 (UTC) been out of the "loop" for a bit. congratulations and best wishes to both of you! best, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 17:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C593BEB8; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:04:14 -0700 From: Stefan Smulovitz Subject: Re: UPDATE: Boise Experimental Music Festival / Dominated by Loopers? In-reply-to: <088601c642fd$c2a35140$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <86FD84BB-A507-4DB4-A6F3-9F4FCDAAE9F3@kenaxis.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <088601c642fd$c2a35140$88b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I heard all about the Boise Experimental Music Festival from the Loopers-Delight list. Checked out some of the performances as well. Great festival. I was wondering if it would be possible to play there next year? I have a duet with a vocalist that is very experimental. Utilizes my computer software which does some looping, granular synthesis and other goodies while she creates some of the most unbelievable extended vocal sounds. Be happy to send you a CD of what we do if you are interested. My bio and software (created in Max/MSP) can be found at http:// www.kenaxis.com/ My sister is a prof at U-Idaho so it would be great to visit her and combine it with some playing. Thanks, Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 18:06:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47CF33BED2; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hjeUKk9K7jPr/fPhfxEyOtcghAHzLTpte6dzSrhOHHgFs6FuLBsNSeYmrCvBcc/6wl/6MV6joR6Jy0ZyfdNreq+nX+8Yz+rWjT/R4YeSm4JC+bfpMUnYTI3+uqd805JDCPKtEVZqejqp9v3dn5C/P9jtLaA5I2yByL5zJTy/n9I= ; Message-ID: <20060605180651.530.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92AD@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:06:53 +0000 (UTC) --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > here's another 2c worth: I have a macbook pro, which > is an intel-powered > dual-core 1.8Ghz laptop. it has 2 Gb of ram. > the whole thing cost almost twice as much as the > nearest PC equivalent I'm not sure how you can make that statement. I've been shopping for these things a lot and I found that unless you're looking at a no-name laptop the prices of the Macs weren't all that out of line. Here's what I saw: http://www.buy.com/prod/Sony_Vaio_100GB_1GB_13_3_DVD_R_RW_Windows_XP_Professional/q/loc/101/202242878.html and http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBookPro The Sony's got more ram (I think a gig stick costs about $150 these days) and the Apple's got a faster processor but "twice" as expensive? I found similar prices with most of the major brands like Toshiba, Lenovo(IBM) and Dell. I did decide to go with a Toshiba myself but only because I've already got machines that run all the Mac apps I have and the added cost of XP did make the Macbook more expensive for a reason I could't justify. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 18:24:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7249B3BECD; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c688cd$53440e00$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060605180651.530.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:24:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Yerks! Why would anyone knowingly spend their money on a Vaio? The pretty box? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, 5 June, 2006 19:06 PM Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> here's another 2c worth: I have a macbook pro, which >> is an intel-powered >> dual-core 1.8Ghz laptop. it has 2 Gb of ram. >> the whole thing cost almost twice as much as the >> nearest PC equivalent > > I'm not sure how you can make that statement. I've > been shopping for these things a lot and I found that > unless you're looking at a no-name laptop the prices > of the Macs weren't all that out of line. Here's what > I saw: > > http://www.buy.com/prod/Sony_Vaio_100GB_1GB_13_3_DVD_R_RW_Windows_XP_Professional/q/loc/101/202242878.html > > and > > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBookPro > > The Sony's got more ram (I think a gig stick costs > about $150 these days) and the Apple's got a faster > processor but "twice" as expensive? I found similar > prices with most of the major brands like Toshiba, > Lenovo(IBM) and Dell. > > I did decide to go with a Toshiba myself but only > because I've already got machines that run all the Mac > apps I have and the added cost of XP did make the > Macbook more expensive for a reason I could't justify. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 18:28:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE82D3BEB9; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:27:50 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Sony Vaio Re: Mac v.s Pc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <448477A6.4@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <20060605180651.530.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c688cd$53440e00$0207a8c0@eluk1> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman wrote: > Yerks! Why would anyone knowingly spend their money on a Vaio? The > pretty box? Agreed. FWIW, I have a relative who works for Sony and he told me if he were to buy a laptop, he would not buy a Vaio. He says they are overpriced and there's much better laptops out there. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 18:34:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8573E3BEC1; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SwjzvbgRAMSJf72wkhiqvQ1fxesMfin9oPDs4qo0v75gUQcPfJsNayihmQ2clv+5g7rDw0hDJaFyv7/YOQgid4rX9RjFOOJmMKwFDqXT9kE+oJiIX8yL5fKpc9RKMCx9Jfs2xt2Lva2YqHUknm2jGxNZOQUL4ENDOXIKbins4RU= In-Reply-To: <001c01c688cd$53440e00$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <20060605180651.530.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001c01c688cd$53440e00$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:34:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:34:35 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jun 2006, at 20.24, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Yerks! Why would anyone knowingly spend their money on a Vaio? > The pretty box? Yes, exactly! That's what I hear on The Internet. per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 18:40:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 371B43BECA; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tu8GWBRIf/gtHTVlv60Gl4bJpd43/2QAv6DzU6zGdTK0xjfiJZd5MCu6G/pFnI+0LXwjIFuaMQ/uojnFNS9cLAm3Qj0sB8NVQmh1kcnpvrLY7HvFga61v3KjEstyQ+2rwkS6CJznFHaqwQstTnWZLkHHFGKV2/aMO+ZIM2YDSkM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060605180651.530.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060605180651.530.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <744173B6-3E15-4C3B-B00A-97C68416D0A7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:40:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> here's another 2c worth: I have a macbook pro, which >> is an intel-powered >> dual-core 1.8Ghz laptop. it has 2 Gb of ram. >> the whole thing cost almost twice as much as the >> nearest PC equivalent > On 5 jun 2006, at 20.06, mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm not sure how you can make that statement. I'd like to join Marks Police Department on this issue! ;-)) It's easy to regard them "equal" but a thorough comparison will give that truly equal laptops will go for the roughly the same price no matter if the were made by Apple or some other PC contractor manufactory. But the MacBook Pro is the extreme Top Of The Line right now. I think I would go the much cheaper white MacBook if I should buy a laptop today. But my ZEPTO (who the hell comes up with all these ugly pc brand names???) will hopefully still be going strong with Windows XP for another three to four years. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 19:26:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5243BECA; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VQVoKYaR8kHWUgEkBeufHUwEFLMcbKcY7Cmtqf4dWBYR6O4LY8fojAr7Yz7hpA4OIyspIPc5t95uBsYQkZGxfAXxoiYZUA9ynlY0EIpN99csV611+7uC7Rg/61GHmRIo4zx6DaVh00Em/PLCA+rSCNqaxDvsiIJRNP8lDCnqFF0= ; Message-ID: <20060605192402.38514.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:24:02 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Software vs Hardware, Laptop vs Oldskool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060603175228.13135.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:26:09 +0000 (UTC) I'm bring in a quote from another thread (mac vs pc) but I think it makes sense here: > now. I think I would go the much cheaper white > MacBook if I should > buy a laptop today. But my ZEPTO (who the hell comes > up with all > these ugly pc brand names???) will hopefully still > be going strong > with Windows XP for another three to four years. That hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm not a diehard vinage gear fan, but I think about my Repeater (out since 2001) and a lot of my other gear I've had much longer. Still faithfully going. My friend Andy's still getting plenty of mileage out of his 1994 Lexicon JamMan. Who of us here is using a computer that's more than 5 or 6 years old to do music? Has anyone sold a computer for what they paid for it? More than they paid for it? A clear win for hardware. Often useful for decades, often retains or increases in value over the years. No one's going to be selling a vintage Macbook or Thinkpad on Ebay ten years from now because it's running that warm sounding Mobius v1 looper. All said, there's no doubt in my mind that we're just seeing the infancy of virtual instruments and effects at this point and they will surely overtake our dedicated hardware just as the ProTools system has killed the multitrack tape deck. Do you here that, Mr. Anderson? It's the sound of inevitability. It is the sound of your death. Mr. Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 19:32:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 371283BEB6; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5Vz99d0NB2YqPG1ZHysWXEthOW/nAT27x+zQhQykihNscEmrDrP6zqeJNOA6VGEIbvTZhhiIaViMqd0J0tSBIfJfJYTeyQwOw0r+chdQhsQrU5yVv2nozH/Z7pPmaTwPB0xrgdk1rRFe96vCDtbqvcQDJAG9XXgNjPHx2u7dcto= ; Message-ID: <20060605193219.64832.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:32:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c688cd$53440e00$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:32:21 +0000 (UTC) My friend bought one to run is CNC and he seems to love it. He's really picky about displays and he claims their x-bright screen is best on the market. Probably not an issue for people here, but perhaps that's where Sony puts the money in, the display. Seems to make sense for a company who makes a ton of it's money on Televisions. I picked Sony as an example because I was looking for a "brand" the way Apple is a brand. I my recent research a lot of people claimed the build of the new Vaios was really good. Who knows? To me they're all boxes. My girlfriend has a 6 year old viao she gave me that's still working well as a coffee table websurfer... though I can't seem to get a wireless linksys card to work with it... --- Stephen Goodman wrote: > Yerks! Why would anyone knowingly spend their money > on a Vaio? The pretty > box? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Monday, 5 June, 2006 19:06 PM > Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc > > > > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >> here's another 2c worth: I have a macbook pro, > which > >> is an intel-powered > >> dual-core 1.8Ghz laptop. it has 2 Gb of ram. > >> the whole thing cost almost twice as much as the > >> nearest PC equivalent > > > > I'm not sure how you can make that statement. I've > > been shopping for these things a lot and I found > that > > unless you're looking at a no-name laptop the > prices > > of the Macs weren't all that out of line. Here's > what > > I saw: > > > > > http://www.buy.com/prod/Sony_Vaio_100GB_1GB_13_3_DVD_R_RW_Windows_XP_Professional/q/loc/101/202242878.html > > > > and > > > > > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBookPro > > > > The Sony's got more ram (I think a gig stick costs > > about $150 these days) and the Apple's got a > faster > > processor but "twice" as expensive? I found > similar > > prices with most of the major brands like Toshiba, > > Lenovo(IBM) and Dell. > > > > I did decide to go with a Toshiba myself but only > > because I've already got machines that run all the > Mac > > apps I have and the added cost of XP did make the > > Macbook more expensive for a reason I could't > justify. > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 19:52:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 042BB3BECA; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:52:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060605193219.64832.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thread-index: AcaI1sQJzIgCKhZXTNC3Y2RItGSdmAAAldcg Message-Id: <20060605195244.861493BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Here's a tip. Checkout www.notebookforum.com for comparisons, deals, and discount coupons. For example, there are dell coupons that I've been able to apply at checkout for 10-20% discount. They cover both apple and pc notebooks. > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc > > My friend bought one to run is CNC and he seems to > love it. He's really picky about displays and he > claims their x-bright screen is best on the market. > Probably not an issue for people here, but perhaps > that's where Sony puts the money in, the display. > Seems to make sense for a company who makes a ton of > it's money on Televisions. > > I picked Sony as an example because I was looking for > a "brand" the way Apple is a brand. I my recent > research a lot of people claimed the build of the new > Vaios was really good. Who knows? To me they're all > boxes. My girlfriend has a 6 year old viao she gave me > that's still working well as a coffee table > websurfer... though I can't seem to get a wireless > linksys card to work with it... > > --- Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > Yerks! Why would anyone knowingly spend their money > > on a Vaio? The pretty > > box? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark sottilaro" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, 5 June, 2006 19:06 PM > > Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc > > > > > > > --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > > > >> here's another 2c worth: I have a macbook pro, > > which > > >> is an intel-powered > > >> dual-core 1.8Ghz laptop. it has 2 Gb of ram. > > >> the whole thing cost almost twice as much as the > > >> nearest PC equivalent > > > > > > I'm not sure how you can make that statement. I've > > > been shopping for these things a lot and I found > > that > > > unless you're looking at a no-name laptop the > > prices > > > of the Macs weren't all that out of line. Here's > > what > > > I saw: > > > > > > > > > http://www.buy.com/prod/Sony_Vaio_100GB_1GB_13_3_DVD_R_RW_Windows_XP_Profe > ssional/q/loc/101/202242878.html > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY- > APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBookPro > > > > > > The Sony's got more ram (I think a gig stick costs > > > about $150 these days) and the Apple's got a > > faster > > > processor but "twice" as expensive? I found > > similar > > > prices with most of the major brands like Toshiba, > > > Lenovo(IBM) and Dell. > > > > > > I did decide to go with a Toshiba myself but only > > > because I've already got machines that run all the > > Mac > > > apps I have and the added cost of XP did make the > > > Macbook more expensive for a reason I could't > > justify. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 21:22:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C28A43BEB8; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1149542551!31806882!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92B5@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:22:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C688E6.26C702B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:22:33 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C688E6.26C702B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I'd like to join Marks Police Department on this issue! ;-))<< eek! what have I started? I'm so glad I didn't mention my disappointment with sony over the vaio & how they backed down on writing their own a/v-biased o/s in favour of micro$oft, so that they could do some content-related deal instead..... 'nother story. no, I stand by my contention that there is a significant mark-up (here, in london, this is) on the macbook over the nearest "equivalent" pc laptop. I suspect the mac of being aimed at a slightly different, rather middle-class media-twat, demographic in london- they have a huge retail outlet in regent street. well, by regent street standards it's huge. anyway, part of the cost of the new macs is surely going on west-end business rates, & part of it is the sort of mark-up that all trendy new products have as part of their lifecycle. it does rock, though, even though the 30 second boot-up is a con (desktop's there, yes, but most of the hardware is still waking up a minute later) I bought mine through work, so I haven't felt the true cost yet. the true benefit is that I can treat it as mac or pc, which is why I didn't just go & buy another tecra instead. besides, have you seen a pc laptop (any make) that's as nicely built as the macs? 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>>I'd like to join Marks Police Department on this = issue!  ;-))<<

eek! what have I started?

I'm so glad I didn't mention my disappointment with sony = over the vaio & how they backed down on writing their own a/v-biased o/= s in favour of micro$oft, so that they could do some content-related deal i= nstead..... 'nother story.

no, I stand by my contention that there is a significant = mark-up (here, in london, this is) on the macbook over the nearest "eq= uivalent" pc laptop.

I suspect the mac of being aimed at a slightly different,= rather middle-class media-twat, demographic in london- they have a huge re= tail outlet in regent street. well, by regent street standards it's huge. a= nyway, part of the cost of the new macs is surely going on west-end busines= s rates, & part of it is the sort of mark-up that all trendy new produc= ts have as part of their lifecycle.

it does rock, though, even though the 30 second boot-up i= s a con (desktop's there, yes, but most of the hardware is still waking up = a minute later)

I bought mine through work, so I haven't felt the true co= st yet. the true benefit is that I can treat it as mac or pc, which is why = I didn't just go & buy another tecra instead.

besides, have you seen a pc laptop (any make) that's as n= icely built as the macs?
[ducks again]

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C688E6.26C702B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 21:30:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BB853BED0; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <779A332E-C888-4ADC-B912-75F30EA3F3F6@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Another MP3 from my new album up at MySpace... Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:30:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:30:32 +0000 (UTC) >>>Bought it! I like the melodic quality of structure i Steve's music. Same vibe I get from J.S. Bach. Nice to keep some music like that in the iPod to balance out zoombiefication caused by too much Hassel or Robert Rich ;-)<<< That's Per - compared to Bach? That's a rather nice compliment! Might have to quote that one on my press stuff... ;o) keep them orders coming, loopsters! cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 5 21:40:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EBCF3BEB6; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J/wZolLrMSDlkRLMV/Y3xOIlJfr4CSsF4wjC9MqoMoIRtQcwp1aR20ooJPsmtLJCAfB3fTLcY48OXqj9aHHtNknOUnSfHbd5vq9Q7Eb7CSBi7HI7J0ub7sxA6gJOnEehbsv8PbbEgrpndZsZ4D0wbVXXkdJsEoNIp9xulktCRbU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <779A332E-C888-4ADC-B912-75F30EA3F3F6@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <779A332E-C888-4ADC-B912-75F30EA3F3F6@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D6AC3E1-96B6-4D3D-B582-8BC32CF36B9B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Another MP3 from my new album up at MySpace... Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:39:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:40:00 +0000 (UTC) On 5 jun 2006, at 23.30, Steve Lawson wrote: > >>>Bought it! I like the melodic quality of structure i Steve's > music. Same vibe I get from J.S. Bach. Nice to keep some music like > that in the iPod to balance out zoombiefication caused by too much > Hassel or Robert Rich ;-)<<< > > That's Per - compared to Bach? That's a rather nice compliment! > Might have to quote that one on my press stuff... ;o) > > keep them orders coming, loopsters! Hey-hey-hey-hey.... urmmphfffffzt..... I did not say THAT! ;-) I was talking about the vibe I get from the music. Maybe says more about my (dis)abilities for musical perception than the actual music? ;-)) LOL Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 01:04:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCED33BEB8; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=r7WElCAgjKcK324rmBu/42PVabPCv1nl+u/b0ng2ekj7mcQSR/wvYqT9Grq2g6ZugK3jiAmfNWrWX25DLqbQz0NiQELKaaWcVGclxFbr9FEeAwdBvE0bjkjC1lFJQnEefMEXcYrNpdKu1I+mVEpWX+v/PxAGCZ/uw183ZO3tVM4= Message-ID: <613c528b0606051804yff53abas9ef99292400d1c3e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:04:46 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 guide restarting? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Anyone got a clue about this one? If I start the guide, get ready to play along, when I press the record pedal the guide restarts. It's a little disconcerting 'cause my timing isn't good enough to press record at the precise moment the pattern dictates... It's probably a setting somewhere, but I can't find it yet! Other than that: received the unit this evening, and so far not much to report other than that I'm impressed by the build quality. Seems like a solid piece of gear. Thanks! Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 01:35:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5C73BEB3; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4484DBE3.9020507@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:35:31 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc References: <20060605180651.530.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <744173B6-3E15-4C3B-B00A-97C68416D0A7@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <744173B6-3E15-4C3B-B00A-97C68416D0A7@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7N8ia.A.uiE.lvNhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > It's easy to regard them "equal" but a thorough comparison will give > that truly equal laptops will go for the roughly the same price no > matter if the were made by Apple or some other PC contractor > manufactory. But the MacBook Pro is the extreme Top Of The Line right > now. I think I would go the much cheaper white MacBook if I should buy > a laptop today. But my ZEPTO (who the hell comes up with all these ugly > pc brand names???) will hopefully still be going strong with Windows XP > for another three to four years. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) I'd certainly agree with your Macbook comment, given that I bought one a couple weeks ago. So far, based on a very small amount of use, it seems to run Logic and Augustus Loop just fine. I was set to by a Macbook Pro, but the only advantages are better graphics performance and the fact that you can't build-to-order a 7200rpm drive on the Macbook. Over time, I may eventually find the small screen maddening if I try to use it much with Logic and/or DP, but so far the only unpleasantness has been the smell of slow-cooking thigh-meat that occurs after fifteen minutes or so of hard use. It's probably most accurately described as a don't-use-this-anywhere-near-your-lap-top. And--ZEPTO? Isn't that some kind of archaic cigarette lighter? -- "Farce, slapstick, unconscious self-mutilation -- the Sideshow Bob of commentators, forever stepping on the same rake, forever muttering the same grunt of inarticulate surrender, forever resuming the circle that will take him back to the same rake. The Sisyphus of morons, if you will." -Keith Olbermann on Bill O'Reilly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 02:21:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D573BEAF; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:23:43 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published In-reply-to: <9A608E8B-5C60-44F3-9F49-A3618FEA502B@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c68910$3ba10c10$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:21:23 +0000 (UTC) I'd love to listen to this, but I refuse to install iTunes again on my computer, after the way it screwed things up last time and the effort it took to pry it's ugly litle hands out of my OS. You don't happen to have a simple link to a plain old mp3 file, eh? Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:38 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published > > > On 5 jun 2006, at 00.59, RP Collier wrote: > > > When I click on the url http://tinyurl.com/fauvm I get this: > > *Error: Unable to find site's URL to redirect to.* > > Am I supposed to do it from within iTunes or something I am > > missing? I tried Safari and Firefox. > > > Maybe it's the "tinyurl" thing that doesn't go too well with your > ISP? Anyway, the podcast link at http://www.looproom.com/bw/sf/ is > Apple's own URL for the feed and should work. That URL is a > bit long, > but it goes: > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=128679560&s=143456 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 03:28:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E6DB3BEB6; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:30:28 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060604115226.01a8c2a0@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c68919$8e650290$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Lovely. I just listened to the whole thing, enjoyed every bit of it. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:59 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re:RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings > > > > >Turning on the wayback machine (OK, not THAT way-back, but...) and > >I'm combing through the list for Y2K5 recordings. I'd like to get > >any that I can get my hands on, since I've never been to the > >festival and would love to hear what folks are playing. I found > >these below, but seem to vaguely remember some CD's being available > >too? Is there a complete list of online Y2K5 recordings available > >anywhere still? > > http://www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm > > has my y2k5 audio + a pic > > Thanks to Krispen for recording it, > and especially thanks to Rick for giving me a chance stretch > out and play a most satisfying set. > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 06:17:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10D613BEB5; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: Mac v.s Pc Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:17:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <4484DBE3.9020507@adelphia.net> Thread-Index: AcaJCYLel4Zg4g7eSLWqIU9JXM8gsgAJXceQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060606061704.2A61AA8C45@smtp1.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:17:09 +0000 (UTC) I've always been a PC user (since 8086/8088 processors), but as I need = to pick a laptop, I was looking to a macbook... I'm a bit confused on = one thing. Has the macbook any pcmcia slot? I need to put on it a = firewire 800 soundcard (the rme one) to record when I'm not in my = studio. The only reason for me to go macbook pro against macbook would = really be the firewire 800, since I don't care about radeon x1600 or = other things like those... As far as for the 13 against the 15,4 monitor = for me is really not relevant, since I do my edits on a 19" samsung lcd = monitor, and 400 =E2=82=AC of difference for a firewire 800 card seem to = me to be too much. As far as the overall cost, there are various "Brand" notebooks that = cost almost half the price for almost the same laptop. (I've seen a = Toshiba intel core duo, 80 gb hdd, x1600 (256mb) videocard, 1gb ddr2 = 15,4 monitor at the price of the macbook(not the pro), and it works = great, only I have the need to use some mac and some pc programs = together, so the macbook is the only way to go... --- Peace Luigi -----Original Message----- From: Brian Good [mailto:bsgood@adelphia.net]=20 Sent: marted=C3=AC 6 giugno 2006 3.36 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc Per Boysen wrote: > It's easy to regard them "equal" but a thorough comparison will give =20 > that truly equal laptops will go for the roughly the same price no =20 > matter if the were made by Apple or some other PC contractor =20 > manufactory. But the MacBook Pro is the extreme Top Of The Line right = > now. I think I would go the much cheaper white MacBook if I should = buy=20 > a laptop today. But my ZEPTO (who the hell comes up with all these = ugly=20 > pc brand names???) will hopefully still be going strong with Windows = XP=20 > for another three to four years. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) I'd certainly agree with your Macbook comment, given that I bought one a = couple weeks ago. So far, based on a very small amount of use, it seems = to run Logic and Augustus Loop just fine. I was set to by a Macbook Pro, = but the only advantages are better graphics performance and the fact=20 that you can't build-to-order a 7200rpm drive on the Macbook. Over=20 time, I may eventually find the small screen maddening if I try to use=20 it much with Logic and/or DP, but so far the only unpleasantness has=20 been the smell of slow-cooking thigh-meat that occurs after fifteen=20 minutes or so of hard use. It's probably most accurately described as a=20 don't-use-this-anywhere-near-your-lap-top. And--ZEPTO? Isn't that some kind of archaic cigarette lighter? --=20 "Farce, slapstick, unconscious self-mutilation -- the Sideshow Bob of=20 commentators, forever stepping on the same rake, forever muttering the=20 same grunt of inarticulate surrender, forever resuming the circle that=20 will take him back to the same rake. The Sisyphus of morons, if you = will." -Keith Olbermann on Bill O'Reilly From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 08:42:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B007B3BEB9; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R7V3EMOe1osjCGKFrwyyiOwo1wkCe6qKTRwAchT+cnBUGLEtkyin3cgaAuRW8in84QwiYKw22ysWfv+55nV1uHeTNDVJNJdyVW7/irGWYN2jGenhkI2ye4Y0hdPjPuHLc2soWi6IgDEsNnz2f9GrKqPwc0dOjC8EpEYwPqXM8Mw= In-Reply-To: <000401c68910$3ba10c10$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <000401c68910$3ba10c10$0302a8c0@Lightning> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <753A4822-212D-44AB-AF55-35714A5226E5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:42:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jun 2006, at 04.23, Warren Sirota wrote: > I'd love to listen to this, but I refuse to install iTunes again on my > computer, after the way it screwed things up last time and the > effort it > took to pry it's ugly litle hands out of my OS. You don't happen to > have a > simple link to a plain old mp3 file, eh? Of course! The page http://www.looproom.com/bw/sf/ now offers a plain old mp3 link as well ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 08:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9493BECF; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CFVu9OwSmbg5Q/94HKeec7OQMJGf2kqfVkrNzx0kBm/BbLxQGyvZzJzBuoBLumRyYRb+sOIPXpBKa7XIaPvJgfuoGPgZUoRI1upvGQgJZdiPhglo6y9wcS5RnGLOurzNwKQu6kc2XzdrpdB0zLU1Hn4b2XfFEAQ8rc/MgsK3VL8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060606061704.2A61AA8C45@smtp1.libero.it> References: <20060606061704.2A61AA8C45@smtp1.libero.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <83825B65-DF5A-42CE-A796-6912E3B3E630@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mac v.s Pc Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:51:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:51:30 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jun 2006, at 08.17, Luigi Meloni wrote: > I've always been a PC user (since 8086/8088 processors), but as I =20 > need to pick a laptop, I was looking to a macbook... I'm a bit =20 > confused on one thing. Has the macbook any pcmcia slot? No. http://www.apple.com/macbook/macbook.html gives the following =20 specification: * 1.83GHz or 2.0GHz Intel Core Duo * 13.3-inch (diagonal) TFT glossy widescreen display * Apple Remote with Front Row * Up to 2GB memory(3) * Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 * Slot-loading optical drive * Up to 120GB hard drive(3) * Built-in 54-Mbps 802.11g AirPort Extreme wireless * Analog and digital audio in and out * FireWire 400 and USB 2.0 ports * iLife =9206, Mac OS X Tiger Obviously you will need to go with FW400 or USB2 for audio interface =20 and other external gear. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 09:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053223BEC1; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z4KT1DcjYiihxq1hierIhrE4H5HHoSPqcWvcn/Ge8WTI99COmqrDTlSLJeiSlZTutkLJN5DfHFwbH4h2eCjetrgNuhxogVYj44XrmqPH0Q07FhM4HqYPzBp5SJp3x8So69srgEj+OPw0a2Aa3P/ozIZKt34zkE68o3C0AbK9pb0= ; Message-ID: <20060606093043.44266.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: The awesome EDP (was andys gear) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060605110221.01b4f790@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey Andy! After a long time ive finally programed the more loops midi triggering feature in the fcb1010,i was reluctant for a long time to do this since i wanted to master all of the direct midi functions on the EDP minimizing the more loops to only 2,using only the next loop function.I also had the repeater and all its midi functions in the fcb1010 which kept me busy enough, but since ive decided to take the Repeater out of my signal for good and use my stereo EDPs only,i feel way more at ease.Ive also cleaned my midi streams on my fcb1010 and so far i am not having the syncing problems i was having with the EDPs(lets pray it stays that way.) I always felt more at home with the EDP anyway, perhaps is psychological or the fact that i started looping with it first, but i realize that this configuration gives me more stage confidence and i can find the problem faster if there is one.I am also thrilled lately to only play acoustic guitar with a bit of reverb coming from my mackie and no synths or X-tra efxs(well except for the mo-fx to color the loops if i like). I am also absolutely thrilled having the more loops midi trigger function programmed this way!is almost like having different tracks and for playing arrangements this is awesome,after years this machine hasnt ceased to surprise me,everything is so well thought out to perform and edit spontaneous live with it. now i am trying to program the buttons in the most efficient way to do the least bank jumping and take advantage of all functions effectively athough this is a very personal thing i am curious as to how you have your virtual functions and direct midi comands mapped out on your fcb1010,here is how i have them in mine and i welcome suggestions or tips: Bank 00 01-record 02-overdub 03-multiply 04-next loop 05-undo 06-mute 07-insert 08-P1 09-P2 10-P3 Bank 01 01-Loop1 02-loop2 03-loop3 04-loop4 05-mute 06-erase all 07-overdub 08-multiply 09-undo 10-substitute Exp pedal 01 is set for feeback control access in all patches. Cheers Luis --- a k butler wrote: > > > >>http://www.andybutler.com/mp3.htm > >> > >>has my y2k5 audio + a pic > > > >Nice set! What else do you have on the table in > the pic besides the > >twin EDPs? > > > >Cheers, > >Kevin > > thanks Kevin :-) > > "on the table" are > ADA MP1 tube pre-amp ( just used as a pre at y2k5, > the distortion > comes from the guitar ) > Lexicon Vortex > EDPs > Ebow > Ancient guitar tuner > > andy butler > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 12:47:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 653863BEB0; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:46:57 +0200 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Standard Tuning stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, may be a bit OT, but this is the only forum I know where some people have some experience with this tuning. I have been using this for about two months now, I did not play so much due to an injury which is getting better. So far I have only worked on chordal stuff, I really enjoy the new chords I can get with this. I will not attend a Guitar Craft course in the near future, because it simply doens't fit into my timing schedule at the moment, so I am asking here, because there is also no one in my area who could show me a thing or two. But now two questions: How to work on scales? The fingerings that came into my mind were: Major scale: D| 12-14-15-17 etc. G| 12-14-16-17 C| 12-14-16-17 Minor scale: D|12-13-15-17 etc. G|12-13-15-17 C|12-14-15-17 These are playable but especially the Major scale needs a lot of stretching. Any better way here? And second question: What to play? Own stuff of course, but maybe there is a bit of reportoire for the NST. I thought about trying out some cello stuff, maybe some etudes could be helpful to practice the stretching. Thanks for your time, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 14:18:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0899F3BEB5; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ONoKvQWsI84oPrAG79IdoKi7eQivdo7dKv+eYkMr9FajHjzQYaE8pj+gVwksuLP5pPsPWeu4HrN6Yf4wY6xLKjk5GLinHAIfBWYK7UqSKxB4jKoluZETrbxmAfrKrdFpOCYweuq7UvAD6AdNLYXBqk6EogljNzdYEBhVDy2xwr8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> References: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <51FC2653-28AE-41A9-8011-536BAF09798E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New Standard Tuning stuff Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:18:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:18:58 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jun 2006, at 14.46, Janosch K. wrote: > Major scale: > D| 12-14-15-17 etc. > G| 12-14-16-17 > C| 12-14-16-17 > > Minor scale: > D|12-13-15-17 etc. > G|12-13-15-17 > C|12-14-15-17 Just a personal reflection; be careful to learn the scales as melodies before working too hard on fingering, positioning etc. When you can sing or think the scale there is no danger in practicing hard to master physical playing techniques. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 14:32:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED9493BEDA; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <448591F1.20108@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:32:17 +0200 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Standard Tuning stuff References: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> <51FC2653-28AE-41A9-8011-536BAF09798E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51FC2653-28AE-41A9-8011-536BAF09798E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <0uMheC.A.qxD.zHZhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, a good thought, of course I know the scales, chords and melodies I want to play, just learning fingerings without any musical context is nothing for me. I just posted these tabs of a c Major/minor scale as an example of what I came up with when trying to play these scales. Janosch Per Boysen schrieb: > Just a personal reflection; be careful to learn the scales as melodies > before working too hard on fingering, positioning etc. When you can > sing or think the scale there is no danger in practicing hard to > master physical playing techniques. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 14:55:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A729E3BEB9; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:55:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20060606145510.315660@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Buzap Buzap Subject: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys how would you compare the advantages of RC-50 versus Electrix Repeater? RC-50: - more memory (49 minutes mono) - 7 pedals "included" - USB connection - Shifting between patches (1 patch = 3 phrases = 3 loops) possible - ... Repeater: - better Tempo Sync? - 4 Loops in parallel - ... best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 15:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303EF3BEDC; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:37:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Buzap Buzap Subject: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers when I first encountered Ableton Live, I was quite impressed. I still am besides the fact that I'm always biased toward computer-based applications for anything in real-time. Anyway, it is really doing wonderful things, but there are somethings that seem very annoying I can't seem to work around. I'm even skipping the latency issue, which is ovious I guess... A. "AUTO BPM DETECT" When I want to record/play several loops in parallel & in sync I seem to have to do the following: - Tap tempo for setting global tempo - Set quantize i.e. to 1 bar - Record first loop - Record second loop... I would like to get around having to tap the global tempo in the begining. I would like to be able to record my first loop _without_knowing_ the tempo before. Then, I would like to quantize the next loops according to the first etc. B. SHORTCUT KEYS FOR "RECORD HIGHLIGHTED LOOP NOW" Ableton offers great MIDI/keyboard shortcut features. But they seem to be a bit counter-intuitive to me. To record a loop, I seem to have to: - Arm the track I want to record - Press that tiny little Record circle on that particular loop. Instead, basically I would like to move the cursor to a loop position and say "start recording this loop now". This way, I could move the cursor to the loop I want and then send a MIDI/keyboard signal "record this loop now". But I don't want to define i.e. 8 different "arm recording track" keys for having 8 tracks parallel nor do I want to define 32 shortcuts for all the record buttons on a 8x4 loop matrix. Theoretically, if I "sacrifice" i.e. 8 keys for arm track 1-8 and two more for switching up/down between so-called "scenes" (scene = all the loops played in parallel) it is supposed to somehow record the chosen track but it doesnn't. Is all this stuff the limitation of Live or is it just me? Any practical suggestions or work-arounds? Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 15:38:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68DE23BED5; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:30:21 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: New Standard Tuning stuff To: "Janosch K." , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006001c6897f$a497c6e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1ykzJC.A.NHG._FahEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Janosch wrote: > But now two questions: > How to work on scales? The fingerings that came into my mind were: > Major scale: > D| 12-14-15-17 etc. > G| 12-14-16-17 > C| 12-14-16-17 It took me a few minutes before I decoded what you meant here. The letter to the left is the string, and this is a C major scale in a kind of tablature, correct? If so, this is a good start. > Minor scale: > D|12-13-15-17 etc. > G|12-13-15-17 > C|12-14-15-17 Likewise, a good start. > These are playable but especially the Major scale needs a lot of > stretching. Any better way here? Nope. The best instruction I received re. organizing scales in NST was from Tony Geballe, who suggested that I visualize a tetrachord on each string. Expect to play four notes on each string. Let M = the interval of a major second, or two frets Let m = the interval of a minor second, or one fret The first four notes of a major scale would be defined by M-M-m - the root note, then a Major second to the next note, a Major second to the next note, and a minor second to the next note. Then move to the next higher string, begin on the appropriate note, and etc. etc. Following this, the pattern of a major scale across the first five strings would look like this: E| m - M - M A| M - m - M D| M - m- M G| M - M - m C| M - M - m M - M - m was called a "major" tetrachord; M - m - M was called a "minor" tetrachord; m - M - M was called a "phrygian" tetrachord; and sooner or later, as you organize your major scales and their modes, you'll come across M - M - M - M (stretch city!) which we called a "lydian" tetrachord. A good first goal is to begin with C major in twelfth position, then work down the neck backwards through the modes (B locrian 11th position, A aeolian 9th position, etc.). > And second question: What to play? Own stuff of course, but maybe there > is a bit of reportoire for the NST. I thought about trying out some > cello stuff, maybe some etudes could be helpful to practice the stretching. Cello books are great if you swing that way. Scalar etudes are generic to my ears: try intervallic scalar patterns like 1-3-2-4-3-5-4-6, then 1-4-2-5-3-6-4-7, then 1-5-2-6-3-7-4-8 etc. Then try three-note permutations like 1-2-3-2-3-4-3-4-5-4-5-6 etc. The challenge in arranging these scalar patterns is to make them musical: start and ascend to the first octave, then ascend and descend, returning to the root, then ascend/descend through two octaves, etc. End on a strong beat. Turn around in a pleasing manner. Use different rhythmic patterns, not just continuous 16th notes. Pretty soon you'll be writing your own Inventions and Symphonias! One of my favorite memories of Guitar Craft was sitting by a fireside with Ralph Gorga and a bunch of others playing old Motown and Beatles tunes off the top of our heads. In any tuning, there's a lot of work involved, and there's a lot of play. Do both. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 15:45:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD5D3BEDF; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: <20060606154546.315620@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Buzap Buzap In-Reply-To: <20060606143726.42466.qmail@web61212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060606143726.42466.qmail@web61212.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions-Time Compression Expansion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nathan > > > i'm sorry to confirm that this IS true. > > unless you keep the loops at the (exact) original > > tempo they sound like > > utter shite well this is actually horrible news. Could you at least record Phrase 1 and set "quantize tempo" for Phrase 2/3 accordingly? > > i would go even further to say that the sound > > quality appears to be rather > > inconsistent when the pedal is run as a midi slave. Well, this is almost just as bad... So, if I want to record everything via firewire to computer, does this mean I have to set the RC-50 as MIDI master for MIDI sync? Hope this works well... > > will it be adressed in future production runs or > > some kind of firmware > > update? I really hope they do, stereo sound and loop lenght aside, MIDI sync and tempo sync were the two best features I was awaiting... Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 16:49:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D6C53BEDA; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65454.65.90.188.220.1149612575.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> References: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:49:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm new, and I don't actually have much experience with Ableton Live, but in this video ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2250529127876206416 ), it looks like Kid Beyond is getting around some of these issues using a MIDI -> Keystroke mapping utility. Thought it might be useful to you. --Josh > Hi Loopers > > when I first encountered Ableton Live, I was quite impressed. > I still am besides the fact that I'm always biased toward computer-based > applications for anything in real-time. > > Anyway, it is really doing wonderful things, but there are somethings that > seem very annoying I can't seem to work around. I'm even skipping the > latency issue, which is ovious I guess... > > A. "AUTO BPM DETECT" > When I want to record/play several loops in parallel & in sync I seem to > have to do the following: > - Tap tempo for setting global tempo > - Set quantize i.e. to 1 bar > - Record first loop > - Record second loop... > I would like to get around having to tap the global tempo in the begining. > I would like to be able to record my first loop _without_knowing_ the > tempo before. Then, I would like to quantize the next loops according to > the first etc. > > B. SHORTCUT KEYS FOR "RECORD HIGHLIGHTED LOOP NOW" > Ableton offers great MIDI/keyboard shortcut features. But they seem to be > a bit counter-intuitive to me. > To record a loop, I seem to have to: > - Arm the track I want to record > - Press that tiny little Record circle on that particular loop. > Instead, basically I would like to move the cursor to a loop position and > say "start recording this loop now". > This way, I could move the cursor to the loop I want and then send a > MIDI/keyboard signal "record this loop now". But I don't want to define > i.e. 8 different "arm recording track" keys for having 8 tracks parallel > nor do I want to define 32 shortcuts for all the record buttons on a 8x4 > loop matrix. > > Theoretically, if I "sacrifice" i.e. 8 keys for arm track 1-8 and two more > for switching up/down between so-called "scenes" (scene = all the loops > played in parallel) it is supposed to somehow record the chosen track but > it doesnn't. > > Is all this stuff the limitation of Live or is it just me? > Any practical suggestions or work-arounds? > > > Best regards > Buzap > -- > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:13:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69B5D3BEDE; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:13:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: RC-50 Availability Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:12:58 -0700 Message-ID: <028801c6898c$7859b6d0$0300a8c0@Khpzd8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0289_01C68951.CBFADED0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaI204W41JZm4OYQt+7Phu4oJ+Dhg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:13:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0289_01C68951.CBFADED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Does anyone know of a place that has the RC-50 in stock. 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------=_NextPart_000_0289_01C68951.CBFADED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319F43BEE8; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <31470862.1149614578688.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:22:58 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Availability MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Well, I can tell you AMS shipped mine yesterday - it's on its way. 'Hope it isn't defective! :) But, the AMS website is still showing the unit as not in stock. Guess they sent out the pre-ordered units to the faithful. -- Paul Richards ---- ken@dangerlog.com wrote: > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know of a place that has the RC-50 in stock. I checked most of > the online stores and couldn't find one. > Aren't there users on this list that already have them? > > > > Thanks, > > > > ken > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:23:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C73D3BEDC; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jCqLfuGtsHgXtoBDn7LpjB9/F7tgm1SNGNRH43hBamxPLI9bHIeBQkxHqJY8tmEcWisYdbuJVLkXL+KT1LGT6wMvCOvJ+jFRtLrS84wsbgt7V5iol23zNxwQD/zBfZ1j/AZX6bRyMC2uM6ba6QKFEfoJPKFXq/54FM/VRc8XLzc= Message-ID: <613c528b0606061023u214eaf60lbd8929e151b8858d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:23:10 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Availability In-Reply-To: <028801c6898c$7859b6d0$0300a8c0@Khpzd8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <028801c6898c$7859b6d0$0300a8c0@Khpzd8> Resent-Message-ID: <8ypsJB.A.UCD.BobhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:23:13 +0000 (UTC) I bought mine from www.bananas.com. Good luck! Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:29:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7E723BEF8; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <4485BB58.70004@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:28:56 +0200 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Standard Tuning stuff References: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> <006001c6897f$a497c6e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <006001c6897f$a497c6e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Hey Douglas, thanks a lot for taking the time! That is really something I can work with. I always try to make some music when doing practice, which is very important in my opinion because otherwise, practicing becomes boring and monotonous if you do it for a long time. Regards, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:31:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E95C23BEF1; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.25.123.47] X-Originating-Email: [ecleverdon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ecleverdon@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <028801c6898c$7859b6d0$0300a8c0@Khpzd8> From: "edwin cleverdon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC-50 Availability Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:31:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2006 17:31:41.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[12923C20:01C6898F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) I'm getting mine from RMC Audio today, but they had only gotten a few units (and couldn't take care of all their back-orders). Good luck! >From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: RC-50 Availability >Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:12:58 -0700 > >Hi, > > > >Does anyone know of a place that has the RC-50 in stock. I checked most of >the online stores and couldn't find one. >Aren't there users on this list that already have them? > > > >Thanks, > > > >ken > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:32:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EBEB3BF0B; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=g4CcimIwDGNFb3sM1JxwZD43qARvJGCEnzokfvh4f/7H2rUJmVBmz7/184Hpnhj9oPt5O3iixyPAhgIuSdv6QY4oTttwqhM6KiddyRj7RofU0UFJdVTtEP37YQ5hko6GAzvK/GGOu9w9BXo9m8g6BYQqMem+m2As1UsnzRMtyWU= In-Reply-To: <65454.65.90.188.220.1149612575.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> <65454.65.90.188.220.1149612575.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D5A11A9-D5C0-4718-B037-561640EA3A04@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:31:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:32:02 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jun 2006, at 18.49, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new, and I don't actually have much experience with Ableton > Live, but > in this video ( > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2250529127876206416 ), it > looks > like Kid Beyond is getting around some of these issues using a MIDI -> > Keystroke mapping utility. Thought it might be useful to you. > > --Josh The trick he seems to use in that video is to start with a pre- recorded loop that gives the tempo. There is no way to make Ableton Live calculate the tempo and adjust to it from the length of the first loop you record, like for example the EDP does. But there is a workaround in using a plug-in for looping and having that plug-in sending out a tempo sync signal for Live to follow. On Mac you can use Augustus Loop for that and on Windows you can use Mobius. In my own praxis that is not stable enough, so if I have to use Ableton Live I always run it as the sync master (not as the slave). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:35:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD853BF06; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 Availability Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c6898f$a2304980$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaJjxOrKUfq3xvfRHOpTEdxA7qTuwAADRIw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:35:44 +0000 (UTC) The small store where I teach at got them in a few days ago. I haven't sit down with one yet, but all those little buttons scare me- I just know I will be bending over a lot to press them. When some of our list members have had them for awhile, I would love a comparison with other loopers they may have. I still am curious about the new Boomerang, so I may wait awhile on the Boss. Dave Eichenberger- guitars.loops.devices http://www.hazardfactor.com > I'm getting mine from RMC Audio today, but they had only > gotten a few units (and couldn't take care of all their > back-orders). Good luck! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 17:46:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 562003BEE7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:46:42 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 7th June 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-upqMD.A.MeE.H-bhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 7th June 06 ============================= KOCH-SCHUTZ-STUDER / ROOTS AND WIRES (Intakt) NEON RAIN / DIRTIER THAN THE DIRT (Steelwork Maschine) V.A. / Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 (electr-ohm) V.A. / Noise Research Program Volume 2 (Burning Emptiness) V.A. / C.U.E. 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Playlist will change on every Wednesday All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 18:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49F743BEE1; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: J1YGBDZ2spQmrazaXmQlFQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <002e01c68999$a6e07f90$6402a8c0@thomas> From: "Thomas Maintz" To: References: <20060606145510.315660@gmx.net> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:47:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Isnt it possible to run the three patches on the rc-50 in series? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: RC-50 vs. Repeater? > Hi Guys > > how would you compare the advantages of RC-50 versus Electrix Repeater? > > RC-50: > - more memory (49 minutes mono) > - 7 pedals "included" > - USB connection > - Shifting between patches (1 patch = 3 phrases = 3 loops) possible > - ... > > Repeater: > - better Tempo Sync? > - 4 Loops in parallel > - ... > > best regards > Buzap > > -- > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 18:50:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9217D3BF0A; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65272.65.90.188.220.1149619813.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <0D5A11A9-D5C0-4718-B037-561640EA3A04@gmail.com> References: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> <65454.65.90.188.220.1149612575.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <0D5A11A9-D5C0-4718-B037-561640EA3A04@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Is anyone here actually using Mobius with Live? I'm reading through the Mobius/EDP manuals right now, and Live seems the perfect sequencer type software to compliment Mobius. I'd be interested to hear your experience. Do you recommend any other sequencers to work with it? --Josh > On 6 jun 2006, at 18.49, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm new, and I don't actually have much experience with Ableton >> Live, but >> in this video ( >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2250529127876206416 ), it >> looks >> like Kid Beyond is getting around some of these issues using a MIDI -> >> Keystroke mapping utility. Thought it might be useful to you. >> >> --Josh > > > The trick he seems to use in that video is to start with a pre- > recorded loop that gives the tempo. There is no way to make Ableton > Live calculate the tempo and adjust to it from the length of the > first loop you record, like for example the EDP does. But there is a > workaround in using a plug-in for looping and having that plug-in > sending out a tempo sync signal for Live to follow. On Mac you can > use Augustus Loop for that and on Windows you can use Mobius. In my > own praxis that is not stable enough, so if I have to use Ableton > Live I always run it as the sync master (not as the slave). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 18:54:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39643BF00; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: J1YGBDZ2spQmrazaXmQlFQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <000601c6899a$921052b0$6402a8c0@thomas> From: "Thomas Maintz" To: References: <20060606145510.315660@gmx.net> <002e01c68999$a6e07f90$6402a8c0@thomas> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:53:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Sorry. I meant parrallel. Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Maintz" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? > Isnt it possible to run the three patches on the rc-50 in series? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buzap Buzap" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:55 PM > Subject: RC-50 vs. Repeater? > > >> Hi Guys >> >> how would you compare the advantages of RC-50 versus Electrix Repeater? >> >> RC-50: >> - more memory (49 minutes mono) >> - 7 pedals "included" >> - USB connection >> - Shifting between patches (1 patch = 3 phrases = 3 loops) possible >> - ... >> >> Repeater: >> - better Tempo Sync? >> - 4 Loops in parallel >> - ... >> >> best regards >> Buzap >> >> -- >> >> >> Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! >> "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 19:34:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B07663BF11; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XKz9cPeVAqUTw6GDO2aAb0Bb+nK9Y8bI/r75lgN3XM84X/OdEVz2nfXyLVnTzKml8hkaXa2xzdJP3AccesLwrRtCQFc+U+3iq406ffTm4AQS6QVTDjrDzpn4cv5Udj3het0M6iju/G95lcbP0TBmuBoIe1HV97meH71ic0NQhzE= In-Reply-To: <65272.65.90.188.220.1149619813.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> <65454.65.90.188.220.1149612575.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <0D5A11A9-D5C0-4718-B037-561640EA3A04@gmail.com> <65272.65.90.188.220.1149619813.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:34:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:34:23 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jun 2006, at 20.50, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Is anyone here actually using Mobius with Live? Yes, quite a few as far as I'm understanding from discussions on this list and the Mobius list. Now I prefer running Mobius as a standalone appl but when I started using it, last year, I ran it as a VST plug- in in Live. You can bring out Mobius eight tracks trough lives mixer tracks to ad effects etc. > Do you recommend any other sequencers to work with it? Bidule has also been used successfully by some. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 19:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468583BF10; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:50:24 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> Thread-Index: AcaJfxQ8XsLjWaqhQaWUjHCsfFT+HwAIcrnA Resent-Message-ID: <-JxpG.A.1xD.EydhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:50:29 +0000 (UTC) > A. "AUTO BPM DETECT" If I understand it right what you want to do, it seems to be an issue that our own Rick Walker has carried to Ableton more than once...to no avail. If you want to record something in Live, you have to set a tempo first. Workaround: use a looping plugin in Live. > B. SHORTCUT KEYS FOR "RECORD HIGHLIGHTED LOOP NOW" Frankly, this hasn't been an issue for me because I use Mobius for all the "classical" looping stuff - Live works both as a host for me and as a sample/MIDI clip recorder in its own right. But if I want to record something, it's arming that track (which I do using my BCR2000), selecting the scene (using two switches on my FCB1010) as you suggested, and then pressing "play" on the respective track (which takes up one switch per track - spanning two banks of my FCB1010). And then Jushua Carroll asked: "Is anyone here actually using Mobius with Live?" As Per already pointed out, some of us do - one of them is me. My current setup: half the tracks of Mobius are fed to one channel of Live each. There are different Quantize and Sync setups for the Mobius track pairs (combinations of No Quantize, No Sync and Quantize to Cycle, Sync to Host Beat). Each of the Live channels for Mobius has its dedicated channel strip containing EQ3, CompressorI, MadShifta, Scrubby and SupaTrigga. There's one MIDI track which routes the input from my FCB1010 (of which three banks are dedicated to control Mobius; the bank layout is like: 0 - tap tempo, metronome, scene up/down etc., 1,2 - start clip, 3,4 - stop clip, 5-7 - Mobius, 8 - Mobius main functions combined with EXP assignment for Amplitube, 9 - Amplitube). I use Mobius for all the more advanced looping things (meaning tracks where I want to be out of sync with the beat, overdub, reverse, insert or whatever cool possibilities there are) and Live for everything "record it and then let it play without messing with it" (except for any plugins on the track which mess with it), and of course for everything MIDI. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 20:05:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23D53BEF9; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060606160521.b45hfkelwkw8k8g4@webmail.bluefrog.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:05:21 -0400 From: mizfeldman@bluefrog.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam-BF-Report: MAIL2:(-2.6 points) BAYES_00=-2.599,NO_REAL_NAME=0.007 autolearn=no dcc=kagome.bluefrog.com 1166; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1(EATSERVER) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:05:25 +0000 (UTC) hi thomas, yes. the rc-50 has 2 modes. you can use "multi mode" to run your 3 loops (called "phrases") simultaneously or you can run them in sequence. that's why i bought mine - i can either stack the loops or toggle back and forth between verse, chorus, and bridge parts. paula >> Sorry. I meant parrallel. Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Maintz" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? [Hide Quoted Text] > Isnt it possible to run the three patches on the rc-50 in series? > ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BlueFrog's Webmail System http://www.bluefrog.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 20:13:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D8893BF25; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64770.65.90.188.220.1149624836.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:13:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2S4noC.A.d6E.HIehEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Excellent! Man, I wish I could get in there and watch how you set that up and use it. My imagination is going crazy, but at this point my brain still feels a bit overloaded. Much studying left to do! Thanks! --Josh >> A. "AUTO BPM DETECT" > > If I understand it right what you want to do, it seems to be an issue that > our own Rick Walker has carried to Ableton more than once...to no avail. > If > you want to record something in Live, you have to set a tempo first. > Workaround: use a looping plugin in Live. > >> B. SHORTCUT KEYS FOR "RECORD HIGHLIGHTED LOOP NOW" > Frankly, this hasn't been an issue for me because I use Mobius for all the > "classical" looping stuff - Live works both as a host for me and as a > sample/MIDI clip recorder in its own right. But if I want to record > something, it's arming that track (which I do using my BCR2000), selecting > the scene (using two switches on my FCB1010) as you suggested, and then > pressing "play" on the respective track (which takes up one switch per > track > - spanning two banks of my FCB1010). > > And then Jushua Carroll asked: > "Is anyone here actually using Mobius with Live?" > > As Per already pointed out, some of us do - one of them is me. > > My current setup: half the tracks of Mobius are fed to one channel of Live > each. There are different Quantize and Sync setups for the Mobius track > pairs (combinations of No Quantize, No Sync and Quantize to Cycle, Sync to > Host Beat). Each of the Live channels for Mobius has its dedicated channel > strip containing EQ3, CompressorI, MadShifta, Scrubby and SupaTrigga. > > There's one MIDI track which routes the input from my FCB1010 (of which > three banks are dedicated to control Mobius; the bank layout is like: 0 - > tap tempo, metronome, scene up/down etc., 1,2 - start clip, 3,4 - stop > clip, > 5-7 - Mobius, 8 - Mobius main functions combined with EXP assignment for > Amplitube, 9 - Amplitube). > > I use Mobius for all the more advanced looping things (meaning tracks > where > I want to be out of sync with the beat, overdub, reverse, insert or > whatever > cool possibilities there are) and Live for everything "record it and then > let it play without messing with it" (except for any plugins on the track > which mess with it), and of course for everything MIDI. > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 20:29:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A5083BF2C; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4485E5AC.1010409@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:29:32 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software vs Hardware, Laptop vs Oldskool References: <000601c6872d$0f61bee0$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000601c6872d$0f61bee0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <28MiGC.A.QrF.2WehEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:29:42 +0000 (UTC) In general all your thoughts are very reasonable, all is a question of priorities in the end. But... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > 5. Useability: For me the usability is a clear win for the laptop for the following reasons: I can design the amount of usability myself. Of course the main reason is, I write my own software, I am able to take care of the position of a knob, I can define the cutoff to be controlled by the same controler always (even for the wavestation if I would love to carry it around..;-) For non Max/MSP users there is the new Kore system of Native Intruments, which seems to help out a lot for this issue. But one thing is absolutely essential for it: Controlers, I mean more than just a FCB. In the end I bet you will have a light hybrid system. Why not keeping the Kaospad as controler and backup effect for evil failures? Its small enough and would enable you to control much more than the box itself. I'd always have some extra faderboxes around (you mentioned the Behringer, which is way too big for my taste, I love my little PocketDial and PocketFader...) just my 2 eurocents... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 20:30:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182E03BF2A; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4485E5E6.2060208@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:30:30 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... References: <010901c687bc$b38691a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <010901c687bc$b38691a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-jKk_D.A.8yF.oXehEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:30:33 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > If I get a satisfactory and respectful answer to this situation I"ll let > everyone know and > then, perhaps we can start a Live Loopers at Tribe.net thread. I could live with the rules of MySpace regarding the license, as I retain control by the ability to remove the content again, which is fair... But my bigger concern is that MySpace belongs to the evil forces of Mordor (though he spells himself Murdoch). They make a lot of money with the help of the contributors, but do not share this. This might be not fair. I would be interested in a concept which would share a part of the income with those who provide the content. More a community kind of thinking than a corporate one. Its time to use one of these services, I guess it doesn't matter too much for all of us which one it is. I'd visit looper sites anywhere... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 20:58:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCF963BF25; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MPt67ytcxB8BPlY7Z9Ldq4Xk3O6E7nY/LQ1ktAV7jbNT0K9ntL04u9AHJqLdedt/REiEB6yBzHW07xpr8k3ms7FgBpfcjpDAJaujr/HVMcAF2v+PTNr+iByqam2+MKvOFkDRueKqn5P2sMTgW82hlVhl/YZhKx8+tLQ7Xcf2X20= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:58:25 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? In-Reply-To: <64770.65.90.188.220.1149624836.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <64770.65.90.188.220.1149624836.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:58:27 +0000 (UTC) GREAT THREAD! Lurking here with my MacBook and Live 5.2 is running stable with much better CPU! I have 2 EPDs I am looking forward to syncing up with Live. Any reports on that? Particularly how well are the EDP sync functions working with Live's midi clock? Per? Rick? Neil On 6/6/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Excellent! Man, I wish I could get in there and watch how you set that up > and use it. My imagination is going crazy, but at this point my brain > still feels a bit overloaded. Much studying left to do! > > Thanks! > > --Josh > > > > >> A. "AUTO BPM DETECT" > > > > If I understand it right what you want to do, it seems to be an issue that > > our own Rick Walker has carried to Ableton more than once...to no avail. > > If > > you want to record something in Live, you have to set a tempo first. > > Workaround: use a looping plugin in Live. > > > >> B. SHORTCUT KEYS FOR "RECORD HIGHLIGHTED LOOP NOW" > > Frankly, this hasn't been an issue for me because I use Mobius for all the > > "classical" looping stuff - Live works both as a host for me and as a > > sample/MIDI clip recorder in its own right. But if I want to record > > something, it's arming that track (which I do using my BCR2000), selecting > > the scene (using two switches on my FCB1010) as you suggested, and then > > pressing "play" on the respective track (which takes up one switch per > > track > > - spanning two banks of my FCB1010). > > > > And then Jushua Carroll asked: > > "Is anyone here actually using Mobius with Live?" > > > > As Per already pointed out, some of us do - one of them is me. > > > > My current setup: half the tracks of Mobius are fed to one channel of Live > > each. There are different Quantize and Sync setups for the Mobius track > > pairs (combinations of No Quantize, No Sync and Quantize to Cycle, Sync to > > Host Beat). Each of the Live channels for Mobius has its dedicated channel > > strip containing EQ3, CompressorI, MadShifta, Scrubby and SupaTrigga. > > > > There's one MIDI track which routes the input from my FCB1010 (of which > > three banks are dedicated to control Mobius; the bank layout is like: 0 - > > tap tempo, metronome, scene up/down etc., 1,2 - start clip, 3,4 - stop > > clip, > > 5-7 - Mobius, 8 - Mobius main functions combined with EXP assignment for > > Amplitube, 9 - Amplitube). > > > > I use Mobius for all the more advanced looping things (meaning tracks > > where > > I want to be out of sync with the beat, overdub, reverse, insert or > > whatever > > cool possibilities there are) and Live for everything "record it and then > > let it play without messing with it" (except for any plugins on the track > > which mess with it), and of course for everything MIDI. > > > > Rainer > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 21:08:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7B083BF00; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65406.65.90.188.220.1149628105.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:08:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: laptop audio I/O hardware From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:08:27 +0000 (UTC) What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla that I use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO compliant. So I'm looking for something for my laptop that will accomodate multi-in/out live looping. Thoughts? Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a wealth of knowledge! --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 21:31:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A4F3BF00; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4485E5E6.2060208@addcom.de> References: <010901c687bc$b38691a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4485E5E6.2060208@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:31:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3_MLLC.A.Zf.4QfhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:31:36 +0000 (UTC) > >I would be interested in a concept which would share a part of the >income with those who provide the content. More a community kind of >thinking than a corporate one. >Stefan This is an incredible thing to ponder when you consider that myspace would be nothing without it's content providers... -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 21:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F51A3BEC7; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65352.65.90.188.220.1149630072.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: References: <010901c687bc$b38691a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4485E5E6.2060208@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:41:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:41:14 +0000 (UTC) "# Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. 1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Services..." Wow... I had never seen that before... a bit scary, actually. --Josh >> >>I would be interested in a concept which would share a part of the >>income with those who provide the content. More a community kind of >>thinking than a corporate one. >>Stefan > > > This is an incredible thing to ponder when you consider that myspace > would be nothing without it's content providers... > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 22:30:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0F213BEAF; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PQOIaCJ0vASk1nnz3B+EvJfQUnUjNnjJ5kKB4GWssCSp3vh+ghwjr2xXBjNQPERAizH6dFYfJxpbryPURrC43WKnlWOSW3LgTtrTron1IBG8Xm7b7+eIAUG9fEdFeu8P3S4+getQcXkZo5voI/XRgBx885IuuTPVNpqVbSSuiOc= ; Message-ID: <20060606223002.59962.qmail@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions-Time Compression Expansion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060606154546.315620@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately Roland/Boss arent known for that... Luis > > > will it be adressed in future production runs or > > > some kind of firmware > > > update? > I really hope they do, stereo sound and loop lenght > aside, MIDI sync and tempo sync were the two best > features I was awaiting... > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 22:33:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4097E3BEB6; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=D2UDaKYyUmAb3f44l2QvMND/ifJJZwIkiCJoVk2VEdbbYwsLDC3mWAd8EfNwhpC6w4SbcfdmjSUUV06JjEPrbF6/Gt8vqCjgNF0NNNCjII86bwc0NsLWwxsgM2yYy+y3gb/DSJ07TQdyepfUlxSaHmKl1uE0EcmDpyXARh+fHd0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <20060606153710.151810@gmx.net> <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <64770.65.90.188.220.1149624836.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <056EEFEC-D33F-4166-8F93-8EDE61ADA385@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:32:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:33:02 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jun 2006, at 22.58, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Lurking here with my MacBook and Live 5.2 is running stable with much > better CPU! I have 2 EPDs I am looking forward to syncing up with > Live. Any reports on that? I only have one EDP but it always sync up perfectly to Live (or any stable MIDI clock). Live may be flakey (loosing sync too often) when used as sync slave but I have good experience from using it as sync master. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 6 23:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6798E3BEB9; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d1Jv946tR2zcQEHftrQd6PQZTPZUqr6AdLJ57vfyOWJXes2ZtZmyNQ5SlRcrBXSkVnYYsOz+p3NvHr2FamNG4jm3U13xdYHxsR0dOAQMTg9VSTqAaCclM9Fqw4hpauHibVKTRjIqhA75hte4Nc3L7QXNscsqXt+lCUs+N3EyGKo= ; Message-ID: <20060606230838.62262.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:08:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: New Standard Tuning stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:08:40 +0000 (UTC) tunings remain sort of a mistery to me and why certain instruments are tuned the way they are...in Cuba for example the standard tres guitar is tuned in gG cc Ee or aA, dd, Ff# but i was happy to know that some SON musicians also tune it in gG,bb,Ee like i do.Ive tried the traditional tuning but i just dont feel comfortable with the fingerings,the only drawback is that if u want to learn from books everything is written under the traditional tuning,but such books are rare to find anyway so is basically translating it or relying on your ears. I would say find a tuning that works for u and feel comfortable with,for me DADGAD and sometimes CGDGAD on guitar work rather well besides the good ol tuning,ive explored other tunings but with this ones i am able to translate a lot of what i play in standard. Luis > > These are playable but especially the Major scale > needs a lot of > stretching. Any better way here? > > And second question: What to play? Own stuff of > course, but maybe there > is a bit of reportoire for the NST. I thought about > trying out some > cello stuff, maybe some etudes could be helpful to > practice the stretching. > > Thanks for your time, Janosch > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 04:28:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2DC93BEB9; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <65406.65.90.188.220.1149628105.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <65406.65.90.188.220.1149628105.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <0c76db7eb4efce362c8d7505f87e1d7e@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:28:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:28:05 +0000 (UTC) I'm currently in love with my Motu Ultralite.....but I've only used it=20= on a mac. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 6, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla that = I > use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO compliant. =20= > So > I'm looking for something for my laptop that will accomodate=20 > multi-in/out > live looping. Thoughts? > > Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a wealth of > knowledge! > > --Josh > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 04:39:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 876FD3BECD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3473.69.155.51.26.1149655194.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <0c76db7eb4efce362c8d7505f87e1d7e@pfmentum.com> References: <65406.65.90.188.220.1149628105.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <0c76db7eb4efce362c8d7505f87e1d7e@pfmentum.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:39:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <9r-yN.A.HiH.cilhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:39:56 +0000 (UTC) That does look awesome! The Traveler looks really cool too, but both are going to be out of my price range until I've done some serious saving. Thanks! --Josh > I'm currently in love with my Motu Ultralite.....but I've only used it > on a mac. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > On Jun 6, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla that I >> use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO compliant. >> So >> I'm looking for something for my laptop that will accomodate >> multi-in/out >> live looping. Thoughts? >> >> Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a wealth of >> knowledge! >> >> --Josh >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 04:43:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 647FC3BED8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <0c76db7eb4efce362c8d7505f87e1d7e@pfmentum.com> References: <65406.65.90.188.220.1149628105.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <0c76db7eb4efce362c8d7505f87e1d7e@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:43:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Can you reveal to us what software you use and possibly what the =20 latency is like? I know many players that say the 828 delivers the =20 lowest latency of most firewire interfaces (when running Guitar Rig 2). - b On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:28 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I'm currently in love with my Motu Ultralite.....but I've only used =20= > it on a mac. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > > On Jun 6, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla =20 >> that I >> use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO =20 >> compliant. So >> I'm looking for something for my laptop that will accomodate multi-=20= >> in/out >> live looping. Thoughts? >> >> Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a wealth of >> knowledge! >> >> --Josh >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 05:03:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B541B3BECC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4089.69.155.51.26.1149656610.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: References: <65406.65.90.188.220.1149628105.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <0c76db7eb4efce362c8d7505f87e1d7e@pfmentum.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:03:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Brian, I'm not sure whether this was directed toward me or Jeff, but as for me, I'll definitely be using Mobius and probably Live or another similar sequencing software. Right now my laptop is only equipped with the onboard WDM sound card that came with the machine, so latency is pretty awful. I really need at least 2 ins and 4 outs, and firewire/usb makes no difference to me. I'm window shopping the web for such a device right now actually... and procrastinating bedtime... which isn't likely to leave me with a very happy wife. Sigh... --Josh > Can you reveal to us what software you use and possibly what the > latency is like? I know many players that say the 828 delivers the > lowest latency of most firewire interfaces (when running Guitar Rig 2). > > - b > > > On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:28 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> I'm currently in love with my Motu Ultralite.....but I've only used >> it on a mac. >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >>> What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla >>> that I >>> use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO >>> compliant. So >>> I'm looking for something for my laptop that will accomodate multi- >>> in/out >>> live looping. Thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a wealth of >>> knowledge! >>> >>> --Josh >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 06:07:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 410843BEB6; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <65406.65.90.188.220.1149628105.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <0c76db7eb4efce362c8d7505f87e1d7e@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:07:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:07:09 +0000 (UTC) I created my live rig in Max/MSP. I don't know how to measure latency,=20= so I can only say I don't notice it after switching to the MOTU. The=20 M-Audio 1814 I was using before had some noticeable latency....the MOTU=20= surpasses it for my use...the converters sound great on my trumpet. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 6, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Brian Cass wrote: > Can you reveal to us what software you use and possibly what the=20 > latency is like? I know many players that say the 828 delivers the=20 > lowest latency of most firewire interfaces (when running Guitar Rig=20 > 2). > > - b > > > On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:28 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> I'm currently in love with my Motu Ultralite.....but I've only used=20= >> it on a mac. >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >>> What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla=20 >>> that I >>> use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO compliant.=20= >>> So >>> I'm looking for something for my laptop that will accomodate=20 >>> multi-in/out >>> live looping. Thoughts? >>> >>> Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a wealth of >>> knowledge! >>> >>> --Josh >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 08:39:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331DC3BEB0; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:39:41 +0200 Message-ID: <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: Buzap Buzap In-Reply-To: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys thanks for the infos. Rainer, integrating Mobius+Live is interesting. I'm using mostly Mac. I guess this works in similar fashion with something like SooperLooper? I'll see if I can work around this BPM issue with some other tool. Using 7/8, 11/8 ryhthms, tapping is not always fun... Meanwhile I found some Ableton Live settings in Prefs>Misc named "Start Recording on Scene Launch". Still having problems with moving up/down scenes though: I map keys on Scene launch/up/down. When pressing the buttons however, only Scene Up works. Weird?!? Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 08:43:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33A313BECD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:43:39 +0200 Message-ID: <20060607084339.246970@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Buzap Buzap Subject: Kid Beyond's Midi Software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks since somebody just mentioned Kid Beyond along with Ableton Live. I've just read a very recent interview in a magazine. Kid Beyond mentioned he's now using a Powerbook G4 and as MIDI software "Midi Pipe" from Subtle Soft: http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/ Thought you might want to know Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 09:55:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78CFF3BEB8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:55:12 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4089.69.155.51.26.1149656610.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaJ77mPxRAFyqWMSceOxvl8zuxeZgAKDUTQ Resent-Message-ID: <7Cr_K.A.sGC.FKqhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:55:17 +0000 (UTC) I am using a Presonus Firebox (which I got used for below =E2=82=AC200). = Features:=20 + 4 independent analogue inputs, 2 with a combo jack (TS Hi-Z and XLR = for Mics with PP) + 6 independent analogue outputs (1/4'' TRS) + headphones with hardwired volume control + S/PDIF I/O + MIDI I/O Not so cool: + when using S/PDIF in, you need to lock sample freq to this S/PDIF = source + latency is so-so (compared to my RME stuff) > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 07:04 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware >=20 > Brian, >=20 > I'm not sure whether this was directed toward me or Jeff, but=20 > as for me, I'll definitely be using Mobius and probably Live=20 > or another similar sequencing software. Right now my laptop=20 > is only equipped with the onboard WDM sound card that came=20 > with the machine, so latency is pretty awful. >=20 > I really need at least 2 ins and 4 outs, and firewire/usb=20 > makes no difference to me. I'm window shopping the web for=20 > such a device right now actually... and procrastinating=20 > bedtime... which isn't likely to leave me with a very happy=20 > wife. Sigh... >=20 > --Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Can you reveal to us what software you use and possibly what the=20 > > latency is like? I know many players that say the 828 delivers the=20 > > lowest latency of most firewire interfaces (when running=20 > Guitar Rig 2). > > > > - b > > > > > > On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:28 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > > >> I'm currently in love with my Motu Ultralite.....but I've=20 > only used=20 > >> it on a mac. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jeff Kaiser > >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > >> pfMENTUM.com =E2=80=A2 AngryVegan.com > >> > >> > >> On Jun 6, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> > >>> What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla=20 > >>> that I use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO=20 > >>> compliant. So I'm looking for something for my laptop that will=20 > >>> accomodate multi- in/out live looping. Thoughts? > >>> > >>> Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a=20 > wealth of=20 > >>> knowledge! > >>> > >>> --Josh > >>> > >> > > > > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 10:27:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27453BEB9; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1149676031!27067720!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92C2@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:27:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C68A1C.EA15C350" Resent-Message-ID: <2uPI0.A.WGF.CoqhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:27:14 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68A1C.EA15C350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>"# Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. 1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Services..."<< isn't this just a long-winded way of them saying "it's our website- you're welcome to put stuff on it, but don't get upset if we redesign the interface a bit from time to time, & oh by the way, it's a website so your stuff can be seen/heard/read anywhere in the free world, & sometimes we'll need to make mechanical copies in order to load-balance across servers/ISPs/networks..." isn't it just a disclaimer? I hate murdoch as much as anyone else, but this was in place before he bought the site. it looks like a fairly standard release form to me. their lawyers probably drew it up to protect them..... people might see something on the site & try to sue the site instead of going after the real source; this is their way out of that trap, surely. now, if it had said "in perpetuity"...... that would be different. what happens to your right to remove material if (say) google cache the content, thus freezing it in cyberspace even after you've pulled it? /that/ I have a problem with. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>"# Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.= com.

   1. By displaying or publishing ("postin= g") any Content, messages, text,
files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of= authorship, or
any other materials (collectively, "Content") = on or through the
Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusi= ve, fully-paid
and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to s= ublicense
through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, = modify, adapt,
translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, re= produce,
transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the= Services. This
license will terminate at the time you remove such Conte= nt from the
Services..."<<

isn't this just a long-winded way of them saying "it= 's our website- you're welcome to put stuff on it, but don't get upset if w= e redesign the interface a bit from time to time, & oh by the way, it's= a website so your stuff can be seen/heard/read anywhere in the free world,= & sometimes we'll need to make mechanical copies in order to load-bala= nce across servers/ISPs/networks..."

isn't it just a disclaimer?

I hate murdoch as much as anyone else, but this was in pl= ace before he bought the site. it looks like a fairly standard release form= to me. their lawyers probably drew it up to protect them..... people might= see something on the site & try to sue the site instead of going after= the real source; this is their way out of that trap, surely.

now, if it had said "in perpetuity"...... that = would be different. what happens to your right to remove material if (say) = google cache the content, thus freezing it in cyberspace even after you've = pulled it? /that/ I have a problem with.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C68A1C.EA15C350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 10:32:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7FC13BEC7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RSMi8BGbx7L035UMlesGIbO3qLKqhx3Ktdd73gzv8Kom4Pq+AXTu3abjaYt8J1ARk6YFqP6tKq9EUk7OW59PVz3of39XXClh2bTbvp91EjwfKQu+AJq5vHMfdCB2iHc18EpQvToGKoIbkZaZnAqB1f4Gorq4zMb49zR6O2O4u+4= In-Reply-To: <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:31:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:32:03 +0000 (UTC) On 7 jun 2006, at 10.39, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Meanwhile I found some Ableton Live settings in Prefs>Misc named > "Start Recording on Scene Launch". > Still having problems with moving up/down scenes though: I map keys > on Scene launch/up/down. When pressing the buttons however, only > Scene Up works. > Weird?!? You may benefit from using Control Aid. Check it out at http:// www.charlie-roberts.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 10:48:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899E83BECD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D366FE4-24B7-46A2-93D0-22C774A332C6@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: MySpace Controversy Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:48:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Here's a copy of the post from my blog, which is pretty long. The =20 short version - no I'm not worried, it's just them covering their =20 asses against getting sued for royalties, even though Murdoch is =20 filth, he's not stupid. long version - there's been a lot of forum activity across the entire internet =20 created by the MySpace.com terms and conditions, with lots of =20 musicians protesting that MySpace are going to be stealing our songs =20 and photos and using them all over the place, selling them on etc. This is the offending section in the T&Cs - " =95 Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com. =95=09 =95=09 =95 By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, = messages, =20 text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of =20 authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or =20 through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-=20 exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the =20 right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, =20= copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, =20 store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and =20 through the Services. This license will terminate at the time you =20 remove such Content from the Services. You represent and warrant =20 that: you own the Content posted by you on or through the Services or =20= otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this =20 section, and the posting of your Content on or through the Services =20 does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, =20 contract rights or any other rights of any person. You agree to pay =20 for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person by =20 reason of any Content posted by you to or through the Services." The purpose of this bit is to stop anyone from suing them for having =20 their songs played on someone else's myspace page. It also leaves =20 them free to have streaming audio on the site for 'artist of the day' =20= type deals, or even myspace online radio using the tracks that have =20 been posted. Without this clause, they could be hit with royalty =20 claims by God-knows how many shitty indie bands whose mates have put =20 their tracks on their page... It's an arse-covering clause, not a =20 rights-thieving one. Think about it - MySpace is currently one of the top three biggest =20 sites on the entire internet. It's huge, it's a phenomenon. They =20 really can't afford to piss people off. They have huge name musicians =20= on there, with incredibly adept legal teams who would fry them alive =20 if they decided to start using MySpace music clips on TV shows or =20 whatever. If they stole some of my music or nicked photos of my site, =20= I'd be onto the papers quicker than you can say 'any publicity is bad =20= publicity', it'd be front page news and the site would start =20 haemorrhaging users at lightning speed. Their ad revenue would =20 disappear and the site would implode. Now I, like most people, think that Murdoch is a despicable odious =20 louse on the pubic hair of society. He's filth and scum of the worst =20 kind. He's also a business genius. A rancid amoral business genius, =20 but one who really knows what's going on. MySpace is his latest =20 acquisition and he's not about to let it fall apart over the =20 licencing of a few tunes. The cost of paying a band to use their =20 music on a compilation album or tv advert or whatever is tiny =20 compared to the legal costs of being sued by Madonna for trying to =20 claim that they have the right to use her tunes anywhere. And the fact that there's a line in there that says the contract is =20 terminated when you remove your tracks, means they couldn't do =20 anything with them as you remove them, they lose the rights and have =20 to reedit whatever format they've turned them into. So, please, stop fretting about the MySpace T and Cs. Them doing what =20= people say they are going to do would result in such a HUGE own goal =20 for the site and for News Corps on mass, that it's really not going =20 to happen. Panic over. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 11:40:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17B473BEB2; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:41:32 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: MySpace Controversy In-reply-to: <8D366FE4-24B7-46A2-93D0-22C774A332C6@steve-lawson.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <041201c68a27$531301b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:40:19 +0000 (UTC) I, for one, would be delighted if MySpace (or anyone) created a worldwide hit from one of my pieces, even if I never saw a cent of the revenues (as long as I was properly credited). Steve's totally right about the "contract" (I put it in quotes, because this has, in my totally-uninformed opinion, about the same likelihood of surviving a court test as a shrink-wrap copyright agreement) - it's strictly a CYA agreement that lets them try and expose your music to a wider audience without checking back with you every time. The fact that you can terminate at will means that they can't do anything with it that can't be undone in a day. I can't see getting worked up over the possibility of them somehow cutting into the profits from my $22 of annual CD sales.... Best wishes, Warren Sirota www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 11:44:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89F5C3BEC7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:44:42 +0200 Message-ID: <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: Buzap Buzap In-Reply-To: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:44:44 +0000 (UTC) I just bought a Mackie Onyx 1220 to replace my old multitracker. The advantage for looping imo: - it has a real Stereo-Bus (Aux3/4) that you can route directly to your looping device with a switch (i.e. switch quickly source for looping from vocals, keyboard, guitar, ...) - all input signals (pre-fader/eq) are sent via firewire to your computer Look out for promotions where they give you the FW-interface for free! Great buy. Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 11:46:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09643BEC1; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: MySpace Controversy Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:46:45 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c68a28$0e191e90$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <041201c68a27$531301b0$0302a8c0@Lightning> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaKJyg76Pmhqgq0TMqYdt6FQT7yfAAAH8SQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:46:49 +0000 (UTC) > I can't see getting worked up over the possibility of them > somehow cutting into the profits from my $22 of annual CD sales.... Just to get this into perspective for me: you were joking with these $22, right? What is the actual profit you make per year? Anybody else wants to share his experiences? (private mail, if you don't want these figures to appear in public for some reason...) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 12:13:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F04C3BEC1; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f601c68962$9dddd8c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 05:13:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Okay, loopers, I have a fun, frivolous and dorky thread to propose: Who's got the courage to upload truly dorky pictures or band photos from their past? I'll start it off with this picture. They'll force me to view it over and over in hell when I die, I'm sure. www.looppool.info/GlamBoy73/ This is me on the way to a gig with my glam band at the time. It's 1973 and I wonder if I was ever that slender in my life.............lol. I was playing a huge Ludwig clear vistalite drum kit at the time............hitting as hard as I could possibly hit. We were doing Bowie covers; Mott the Hoople; Roxy Music and others. I imagine we were probably terrible but I can't remember for reasons we won't go into here............lol. I'm standing at the top of the stairs in my college dorm room at Cowell College at UCSC, a confused sophmore still afraid to follow his heart's desire and break with his parents wishes for a higher education. A few hours after this was shot, a police car ran a red light in East Side San Jose without putting his siren on and we rammed him broadside going about 30 miles an hour, completely totalling the '71 Chevy Vega I was driving. It was the cops fault and he turned red in the face and refused to even talk to us as I stood there with my sexy blonde girlfriend, Julie Bernucci on the side of the road with people gawking at us. We were both dolled up with makeup for my glam gig which I never made because the cop purposefully kept us there for close to an hour and a half slowly and passively aggressively filling out his paper work. A hilarious day that I"ll never forget. *************** Okay, I took the plunge.........................now you folks have the courage and send 'em in!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 12:47:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588933BEAF; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:49:03 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: MySpace Controversy In-reply-to: <000001c68a28$0e191e90$0101a8c0@succubus> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <043d01c68a30$c1aad720$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:47:31 +0000 (UTC) No, I wasn't joking. In fact, I was overestimating (I do make some money from jazz gigs, but I've had exactly ONE sale of my recent Sandbox CD, and that was at a show. The CD sale put us over the top - that plus ticket sales minus the space rental gave us a $5 profit for the evening). But I don't put much (hardly any, really) energy into promotion. I gave up the concept of making any real money from music many years ago, except in my dreams (I am thinking about seriously trying to break into music library placements through TAXI, but it is really hard to find the time to follow the program I have in mind). Honestly, though, what really burns me is that I can't generally get even get close friends and family (or loopers on this list, for that matter) to even *listen* to my stuff for *free*. I give a CD to a friend and don't hear anything about it. 2 or 3 weeks later, I call and ask what they thought and find out they haven't listened. Hey, I know I don't suck *that* bad (in fact, I think I have some fairly unique musical things to say, and from time to time I get some small confirmations of this). But the world is absolutely innundated with new pieces on myspace and the like, and I think everyone is exhausted by it. The saying used to be "everyone's a critic." Now it's "everyone's an artist." I don't promote anything, because I can't even see the point in trying. Sorry for the downer, but I do find the situation quite depressing. I know there are people here (Krispen and Ted come to mind immediately, but there are no doubt quite a few others) who are much more assiduous and persistent than I am. I truly hope that they have much more encouraging stories to tell. Best wishes, Warren Sirota www.warrensirota.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:47 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: MySpace Controversy > > > > I can't see getting worked up over the possibility of them > > somehow cutting into the profits from my $22 of annual CD sales.... > > Just to get this into perspective for me: you were joking > with these $22, right? What is the actual profit you make per > year? Anybody else wants to share his experiences? (private > mail, if you don't want these figures to appear in public for > some reason...) > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 13:02:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B97B73BEB8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02bd01c68a32$ac9ac5a0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <000401c68910$3ba10c10$0302a8c0@Lightning> <753A4822-212D-44AB-AF55-35714A5226E5@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:02:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2006 13:02:50.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE7D8F60:01C68A32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:02:53 +0000 (UTC) I'm listen to it and I'm thinking I would liked to be there, adding my minimal floating sounds and piano to your ambient session. Maybe one day... fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published > On 6 jun 2006, at 04.23, Warren Sirota wrote: > >> I'd love to listen to this, but I refuse to install iTunes again on my >> computer, after the way it screwed things up last time and the >> effort it >> took to pry it's ugly litle hands out of my OS. You don't happen to >> have a >> simple link to a plain old mp3 file, eh? > > > Of course! The page http://www.looproom.com/bw/sf/ now offers a plain > old mp3 link as well ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 13:19:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15943BEB8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=g1Cd42AMHdhaQccRrHEvlmSWCxBEtlTDHariZDrcZe0SjFMSOftUJF1JV+z8ZIbL; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006637132159360@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: MySpace Controversy Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:21:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a16f2d2152d3abe7524057a6ddbaa9a4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:19:23 +0000 (UTC) I think $22 in sales per year is darn good! Well, lemme put it more accurately: I can't do any better than you. I think my best year was about $150. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > To: > Date: 6/7/2006 7:46:49 AM > Subject: AW: MySpace Controversy > > > I can't see getting worked up over the possibility of them > > somehow cutting into the profits from my $22 of annual CD sales.... > > Just to get this into perspective for me: you were joking with these $22, > right? What is the actual profit you make per year? Anybody else wants to > share his experiences? (private mail, if you don't want these figures to > appear in public for some reason...) > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 13:25:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4C03BECA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=T1UAI4MaxIOhmf1jmzcyZawGznkR+Tvkn1lQAbw6YDwNArm+YixZJtJIZ5Lil8Ee; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006637132828450@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MySpace Controversy Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:28:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940629f20635bc4a6f417f6fce171801f4e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.158 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:25:53 +0000 (UTC) I feel your pain, Warren. As for YOUR stuff, I'm sure it's great. I'd give it a shot if I had broadband, and if it really moved me, I'd buy it. ~T > [Original Message] > From: Warren Sirota > To: > Date: 6/7/2006 8:47:31 AM > Subject: RE: MySpace Controversy > > No, I wasn't joking. In fact, I was overestimating (I do make some money > from jazz gigs, but I've had exactly ONE sale of my recent Sandbox CD, and > that was at a show. The CD sale put us over the top - that plus ticket sales > minus the space rental gave us a $5 profit for the evening). But I don't put > much (hardly any, really) energy into promotion. I gave up the concept of > making any real money from music many years ago, except in my dreams (I am > thinking about seriously trying to break into music library placements > through TAXI, but it is really hard to find the time to follow the program I > have in mind). > > Honestly, though, what really burns me is that I can't generally get even > get close friends and family (or loopers on this list, for that matter) to > even *listen* to my stuff for *free*. I give a CD to a friend and don't hear > anything about it. 2 or 3 weeks later, I call and ask what they thought and > find out they haven't listened. > > Hey, I know I don't suck *that* bad (in fact, I think I have some fairly > unique musical things to say, and from time to time I get some small > confirmations of this). But the world is absolutely innundated with new > pieces on myspace and the like, and I think everyone is exhausted by it. The > saying used to be "everyone's a critic." Now it's "everyone's an artist." I > don't promote anything, because I can't even see the point in trying. > > Sorry for the downer, but I do find the situation quite depressing. > > I know there are people here (Krispen and Ted come to mind immediately, but > there are no doubt quite a few others) who are much more assiduous and > persistent than I am. I truly hope that they have much more encouraging > stories to tell. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > www.warrensirota.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:47 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: AW: MySpace Controversy > > > > > > > I can't see getting worked up over the possibility of them > > > somehow cutting into the profits from my $22 of annual CD sales.... > > > > Just to get this into perspective for me: you were joking > > with these $22, right? What is the actual profit you make per > > year? Anybody else wants to share his experiences? (private > > mail, if you don't want these figures to appear in public for > > some reason...) > > > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 13:58:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 326CE3BEB8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:58:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00f601c68962$9dddd8c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00f601c68962$9dddd8c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A3F8EB2-EA6D-4B54-829D-8A9C7C4901CB@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:58:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Server-Quench: b508202e-f62d-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZVU0Glt1 UkhJREJTEA9tCRYC BVAYVAd0cRtHf3du bEJ9XHVZWVt6Ox14 RToTcjlDZWZjbmIa YCAr X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:58:35 +0000 (UTC) WHOA! GREAT photo Rick. But that's not embarassing! You look hot! On Jun 6, 2006, at 8:13 AM, loop.pool wrote: > www.looppool.info/GlamBoy73/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:03:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 945253BED5; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:04:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaKJ8YvcdHYDkpUQFeczonLpiM2uwAEs+3g Message-Id: <20060607140303.834D2ABE57@smtp3.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:03:06 +0000 (UTC) I'm using a tascam fw1804 both live and in my studio. It is 8 in and 2 = outs analog plus 1 i/o adat (8 channel in/out 24 bit 48khz) and 1 i/o spdif = (24 bit 96 khz) plus 2 midi in and 4 midi outs. I use it in studio with a behringer digital mixer (via adat i/o) and live with a behringer a/d/a = (24 bit 48 khz) with very little latency time (I tried it with both guitar = rig and amplitube live). The only thing you should look in your laptop is = which firewire chipset has it got. Almost all the fw soundcards I have tried = have problems with the via chipset. Peace Luigi -----Original Message----- From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net]=20 Sent: mercoled=EC 7 giugno 2006 13.45 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? I just bought a Mackie Onyx 1220 to replace my old multitracker. The advantage for looping imo: - it has a real Stereo-Bus (Aux3/4) that you can route directly to your looping device with a switch (i.e. switch quickly source for looping = from vocals, keyboard, guitar, ...) - all input signals (pre-fader/eq) are sent via firewire to your = computer Look out for promotions where they give you the FW-interface for free! = Great buy. Best regards Buzap --=20 "Feel free" =96 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:10:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344AB3BEDA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65018.65.90.188.220.1149689452.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <4089.69.155.51.26.1149656610.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:10:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) I looked at that last night. Thanks for the heads-up! Right now I'm thinking about the M-Audio Fast Track Pro: 2 ins (combo jack), 4 outs (multiple output options), etc. It would be nice to have more ins, but for the money I think this would do the job. Has anybody played with one of these? --Josh > I am using a Presonus Firebox (which I got used for below €200). > Features: > + 4 independent analogue inputs, 2 with a combo jack (TS Hi-Z and XLR for > Mics with PP) > + 6 independent analogue outputs (1/4'' TRS) > + headphones with hardwired volume control > + S/PDIF I/O > + MIDI I/O > > Not so cool: > + when using S/PDIF in, you need to lock sample freq to this S/PDIF > source > + latency is so-so (compared to my RME stuff) > > > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com] >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 07:04 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware >> >> Brian, >> >> I'm not sure whether this was directed toward me or Jeff, but >> as for me, I'll definitely be using Mobius and probably Live >> or another similar sequencing software. Right now my laptop >> is only equipped with the onboard WDM sound card that came >> with the machine, so latency is pretty awful. >> >> I really need at least 2 ins and 4 outs, and firewire/usb >> makes no difference to me. I'm window shopping the web for >> such a device right now actually... and procrastinating >> bedtime... which isn't likely to leave me with a very happy >> wife. Sigh... >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> > Can you reveal to us what software you use and possibly what the >> > latency is like? I know many players that say the 828 delivers the >> > lowest latency of most firewire interfaces (when running >> Guitar Rig 2). >> > >> > - b >> > >> > >> > On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:28 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> > >> >> I'm currently in love with my Motu Ultralite.....but I've >> only used >> >> it on a mac. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> >> pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: >> >> >> >>> What do you guys use/recommend? I have an old 20-bit Echo Layla >> >>> that I use on my desktop DAW, but it's neither portable nor ASIO >> >>> compliant. So I'm looking for something for my laptop that will >> >>> accomodate multi- in/out live looping. Thoughts? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for the input so far, by the way! This group is a >> wealth of >> >>> knowledge! >> >>> >> >>> --Josh >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:11:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28BE3BEF8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-115.messagelabs.com!1149689454!14000676!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92CB@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: income (was MySpace Controversy) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:10:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C68A3C.2D7D6020" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:11:01 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68A3C.2D7D6020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Just to get this into perspective for me: you were joking with these $22, right? What is the actual profit you make per year? Anybody else wants to share his experiences? (private mail, if you don't want these figures to appear in public for some reason...)<< a few hundred bucks tops. not enough to give up the day job, but enough so we don't get disastrously out-of-pocket when we have to travel a long way to play somewhere, & want a motel room each because we're old farts. :-) & that's with 26 titles on sale...... in my experience, max sales are at gigs, so ply someone (preferably attached to the band somehow- g/f or some sort of ligger) to sit at a table near the door & shift stock. my g/f, a musician herself, couldn't believe our sales at one gig, & didn't have anything to do after the interval because the stock was all gone. but these occasions are few & seldom. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Just to get this into perspective for me: you wer= e joking with these $22,
right? What is the actual profit you make per year? Anyb= ody else wants to
share his experiences? (private mail, if you don't want = these figures to
appear in public for some reason...)<<

a few hundred bucks tops. not enough to give up the day j= ob, but enough so we don't get disastrously out-of-pocket when we have to t= ravel a long way to play somewhere, & want a motel room each because we= 're old farts. :-)

& that's with 26 titles on sale...... in my experienc= e, max sales are at gigs, so ply someone (preferably attached to the band s= omehow- g/f or some sort of ligger) to sit at a table near the door & s= hift stock. my g/f, a musician herself, couldn't believe our sales at one g= ig, & didn't have anything to do after the interval because the stock w= as all gone. but these occasions are few & seldom.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C68A3C.2D7D6020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BFDA3BEF3; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64510.65.90.188.220.1149689859.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> References: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:17:41 +0000 (UTC) [Drooling...] I've been lusting over the Onyx mixers for a while. My primary drawback would be that (as far as I can tell) it only sends a single stereo return. For my music, I really need at least one more return channel for a click track to my in-ear monitors. Any way to get around this with these mixers? Also, did you look at the Alesis Firewire/USB mixers? Thoughts/opinions? --Josh > I just bought a Mackie Onyx 1220 to replace my old multitracker. > The advantage for looping imo: > - it has a real Stereo-Bus (Aux3/4) that you can route directly to your > looping device with a switch (i.e. switch quickly source for looping from > vocals, keyboard, guitar, ...) > - all input signals (pre-fader/eq) are sent via firewire to your computer > > Look out for promotions where they give you the FW-interface for free! > Great buy. > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > > > "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB6A3BED8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040501c68a3d$9fc82510$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00f601c68962$9dddd8c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:21:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:21:13 +0000 (UTC) That is great, Rick!! :) Now that we're sharing....here's my glam shot....back when my hair wasn't as grey! http://www.box.net/public/static/mx596mt29l.jpg Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Embarassing Pictures from Early History > Okay, loopers, I have a fun, frivolous and dorky thread to propose: > > Who's got the courage to upload truly dorky > pictures or band photos from their past? > > I'll start it off with this picture. They'll force me to view it over > and over > in hell when I die, I'm sure. > > www.looppool.info/GlamBoy73/ > > This is me on the way to a gig with my glam band at the time. > It's 1973 and I wonder if I was ever that slender in my > life.............lol. > I was playing a huge Ludwig clear vistalite drum kit at the > time............hitting > as hard as I could possibly hit. We were doing Bowie covers; Mott the > Hoople; > Roxy Music and others. I imagine we were probably terrible but I can't > remember > for reasons we won't go into here............lol. > > I'm standing at the top of the stairs in my college dorm room at Cowell > College at UCSC, > a confused sophmore still afraid to follow his heart's desire and break > with his parents > wishes for a higher education. > > A few hours after this was shot, a police car ran a red light in East > Side San Jose > without putting his siren on and we rammed him broadside going about 30 > miles an hour, > completely totalling the '71 Chevy Vega I was driving. > > It was the cops fault and he turned red in the face and refused to even > talk to us as I stood > there with my sexy blonde girlfriend, Julie Bernucci on the side of the > road with > people gawking at us. We were both dolled up with makeup for my glam gig > which I never made > because the cop purposefully kept us there for close to an hour and a half > slowly and passively aggressively > filling out his paper work. > > A hilarious day that I"ll never forget. > > *************** > > Okay, I took the plunge.........................now you folks have the > courage and send 'em in!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:31:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C678D3BEF6; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:31:24 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c68a3f$0e659970$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-reply-to: <00f601c68962$9dddd8c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AcaKK8IFHEmF1lR8S02CER7TM17/YgAEnbhw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Hilarious! Splendid! When I looked at the photo and read your post, I = didn't look who had written it, and I wondered "who's that glam-rock = long-haired guy with the funny story?" - only to find out it was you! Personally, I believe people would love it if you would go onstage today dressed like that (and with that hairdo). Unfortunately, I can't find my pictures from early performance history (early for me, that is - about 1990), wearing cut-off jeans, neon yellow basketball sneakers without laces, long hair flying around my head, = standing at the stage front microphone in one hand and a glass of Wei=DFbier in = the other. Yes, I was a teenage rock band frontman... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:33:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 734903BEDA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060607073125.01a5bc40@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:33:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: income (was MySpace Controversy) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92CB@lon-oxmail02.mtvn e.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92CB@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <8l1OZB.A.-LF.-OuhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:33:34 +0000 (UTC) At 07:10 AM 6/7/2006, Rainer wrote: >>Just to get this into perspective for me: you were joking with these $22, right? What is the actual profit you make per year? Anybody else wants to share his experiences? (private mail, if you don't want these figures to appear in public for some reason...)<< Most of my music income comes from playing gigs, not CD sales. CDs are just a promotional device. And how much do you make, Rainer? Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com Email: Kevin@TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:36:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AD543BED5; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64946.65.90.188.220.1149690960.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <043d01c68a30$c1aad720$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <000001c68a28$0e191e90$0101a8c0@succubus> <043d01c68a30$c1aad720$0302a8c0@Lightning> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:36:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: MySpace Controversy From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Ha! I feel you man. That's the way I felt in my last band. We spent a couple grand recording a CD, and then I could hardly give them away! I blamed it on the college "I'm too smart to care about anything" mentality that saturates so much of this town. I lost a lot of money on that deal. Now I'm in a 2-piece thing with a buddy of mine and we have a little recording setup in his spare bedroom, so we aren't paying studio-time fees. And we're using MySpace (myspace.com/opuspi if anyone's interested) and the like for crazy amounts of promotion (with much more success, I might add), but life has gotten busy to the place where it's been nearly impossible to finish recording anything we can sell! So we've yet to make a dime. My theory, though, is that because of MySpace and other tools like it on the web, it's now possible to actually get to the place where you make a living from your music without necessarily having to sign your soul over to Satan... er, ummm... Nashville. It's going to take a ton of hard work, creativity, risk, and time that I just don't have at the moment (my wife's due with our first baby--a girl--in a month), but that's our goal nonetheless. The funny thing is that we haven't even recorded enough music for a CD, and we're gigging way less than I did in my former band, but we've got a ton more people listening. And, with the help of e-mail, MySpace, AIM, etc., we're actually meeting and connecting with our listeners on a personal level. To me, that's much more valuable. --Josh > No, I wasn't joking. In fact, I was overestimating (I do make some money > from jazz gigs, but I've had exactly ONE sale of my recent Sandbox CD, and > that was at a show. The CD sale put us over the top - that plus ticket > sales > minus the space rental gave us a $5 profit for the evening). But I don't > put > much (hardly any, really) energy into promotion. I gave up the concept of > making any real money from music many years ago, except in my dreams (I am > thinking about seriously trying to break into music library placements > through TAXI, but it is really hard to find the time to follow the program > I > have in mind). > > Honestly, though, what really burns me is that I can't generally get even > get close friends and family (or loopers on this list, for that matter) to > even *listen* to my stuff for *free*. I give a CD to a friend and don't > hear > anything about it. 2 or 3 weeks later, I call and ask what they thought > and > find out they haven't listened. > > Hey, I know I don't suck *that* bad (in fact, I think I have some fairly > unique musical things to say, and from time to time I get some small > confirmations of this). But the world is absolutely innundated with new > pieces on myspace and the like, and I think everyone is exhausted by it. > The > saying used to be "everyone's a critic." Now it's "everyone's an artist." > I > don't promote anything, because I can't even see the point in trying. > > Sorry for the downer, but I do find the situation quite depressing. > > I know there are people here (Krispen and Ted come to mind immediately, > but > there are no doubt quite a few others) who are much more assiduous and > persistent than I am. I truly hope that they have much more encouraging > stories to tell. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > www.warrensirota.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:47 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: AW: MySpace Controversy >> >> >> > I can't see getting worked up over the possibility of them >> > somehow cutting into the profits from my $22 of annual CD sales.... >> >> Just to get this into perspective for me: you were joking >> with these $22, right? What is the actual profit you make per >> year? Anybody else wants to share his experiences? (private >> mail, if you don't want these figures to appear in public for >> some reason...) >> >> Rainer >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:42:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFD663BEF9; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64447.65.90.188.220.1149691346.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <20060607140303.834D2ABE57@smtp3.libero.it> References: <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> <20060607140303.834D2ABE57@smtp3.libero.it> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:42:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:42:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure I checked it correctly, but I didn't see anything about via anything. The laptop is a fairly new Acer Aspire 5670 with an Intel Core Duo processor and a gig of DDR. Hopefully it won't give me any problems. --Josh > I'm using a tascam fw1804 both live and in my studio. It is 8 in and 2 > outs > analog plus 1 i/o adat (8 channel in/out 24 bit 48khz) and 1 i/o spdif (24 > bit 96 khz) plus 2 midi in and 4 midi outs. I use it in studio with a > behringer digital mixer (via adat i/o) and live with a behringer a/d/a (24 > bit 48 khz) with very little latency time (I tried it with both guitar rig > and amplitube live). The only thing you should look in your laptop is > which > firewire chipset has it got. Almost all the fw soundcards I have tried > have > problems with the via chipset. > > Peace > Luigi > > -----Original Message----- > From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] > Sent: mercoledì 7 giugno 2006 13.45 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? > > I just bought a Mackie Onyx 1220 to replace my old multitracker. > The advantage for looping imo: > - it has a real Stereo-Bus (Aux3/4) that you can route directly to your > looping device with a switch (i.e. switch quickly source for looping from > vocals, keyboard, guitar, ...) > - all input signals (pre-fader/eq) are sent via firewire to your computer > > Look out for promotions where they give you the FW-interface for free! > Great > buy. > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > > > "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 14:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F5003BECD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: income (was MySpace Controversy) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:53:49 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c68a42$2ff4ba00$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060607073125.01a5bc40@TheNettles.com> Thread-Index: AcaKP1uKBokFfyJxQkKXU3Cgdvz0LgAABQHw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:53:54 +0000 (UTC) > Most of my music income comes from playing gigs, not CD=20 > sales. CDs are just a promotional device. And how much do=20 > you make, Rainer? This year, I made something like =E2=82=AC23 from CD sales, all at one = concert (the only one I played this year). I could've sold more if I had = brought more of my own CDs (just guessed nobody would want them anyway = ;).=20 For this reason, Warren's statement seemed rather...unbelievable to me, = taking into account that Warren is a professional musician and I am not. The reason why I am not a professional musician? It doesn't pay off. = Example calculation: the largest amount of money I got for a solo gig = minus my expenses was roughly =E2=82=AC200. This included a two-hour = performance, setup and breakdown time, loading and unloading both at the = gig and at home (let's say 2h in total, which is a very careful = estimation), plus a half-day drive to and from the performance (don't = know in detail, but 12h total is again a careful estimation). So I = earned a total of =E2=82=AC200 for 16 hours, or =E2=82=AC12.50 per hour. = This does not take in investment in gear, preparation for the concert = (like putting my rig together), rehearsing, time and money invested in = marketing (there wasn't any) etc. In my day job (salary earner), I make more than three times that money = per hour. I'll get that money if I get ill, or if for some weeks nobody = is interested in my services. I don't need to do marketing (if I do and = am successful, I get additional boni), and I don't need to do any = investments. Another example: the most my band Eclectic Blah got from a single gig = was =E2=82=AC400. We performed that one as a six-piece, so it's = =E2=82=AC67 per person, or if you count in loadout/in, setup, breakdown, = soundcheck, travel to the venue and the actual performance, about = =E2=82=AC15 per person and hour. Again, not counting in time spent = rehearsing, equipment costs, costs for a rehearsal room or rehearsals. With that group (which has been on hold for some time now), we were able = to come out with a slight plus (and still have some savings that would = allow us to do a CD of live recordings), but only because none of the = musicians ever saw a single cent of the money. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 15:00:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF4063BEDB; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:00:49 +0200 Message-ID: <20060607150049.307570@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <64510.65.90.188.220.1149689859.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> <64510.65.90.188.220.1149689859.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi Josh > I've been lusting over the Onyx mixers for a while. My primary drawback > would be that (as far as I can tell) it only sends a single stereo return. Hmmm... you're right... I might have the same problem one day also, if I use computer as master... Don't have the problem currrently because I use computer only for mix-down of tracks. It would be interesting to see if you can route your main mix to FireWire-Out & the monitor mix to standard PC Line-Out. I'll have to check when I have time. > Also, did you look at the Alesis Firewire/USB mixers? Thoughts/opinions? I was initially also thinking about the Alesis mixers. But I've read that they had a lot of driver problems initially. Phonic Helix mixers supposed to have same FW chip as the Mackie Onyx. But I didnt't like the hardware feel of Phonic. There are also USB mixers (like Yamaha) but I believe they have limited bandwidth. Generally, the Phonic and Alesis are roughly about 500EUR/$, Mackie Onyx roughly double the price (incl. FW). But I got my FW card for free - including full version of Tracktion software! So if I get a Mackie for the same price as Alesis/Phonic, I would not hesitate. Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 15:06:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 888A53BEEE; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: t-u-b-e virtual performance plugin Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:06:47 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000801c68a43$ff727190$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaKQ/8BuQoT+y6NQ6KyAevazBxwLg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:06:52 +0000 (UTC) For those of you doing performances via internet - there's a new product in the field. http://www.t-u-b-e.de/iplug.htm It's a VST/AU for Mac and XP. The plugin can be used as a sender or a receiver or as a server. It doesn't do any latency sync tricks like ninjam. Haven't had a chance to try it yet but will sure do. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 15:07:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 721713BEFF; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: t-u-b-e virtual performance plugin - post scriptum Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:07:30 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c68a44$19697a30$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-reply-to: <000801c68a43$ff727190$0101a8c0@succubus> Thread-Index: AcaKQ/8BuQoT+y6NQ6KyAevazBxwLgAAAb9Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:07:36 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.t-u-b-e.de/iplug.htm > the place does also seek musicians for internet performances, so you might want to apply... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 15:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62E5C3BEE6; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyyone use a Korg G5 bass synth? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Title sez it. I'm curious if this is a monophonic synth that will glitch if you play two notes at the same time. Also how does it track? any info appreciated. Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 15:34:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA9883BEDC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <000701c68a42$2ff4ba00$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000701c68a42$2ff4ba00$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <269AA6EA-8720-4E32-843D-CFC2F4E05CF4@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: income (was MySpace Controversy) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:34:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Server-Quench: 290328e6-f63b-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtdZVU0Glt1 UkhJREJTEg9rBRYE B1AYVAd0cRtHf3du bEJ9XHVZWVt6Ox14 RTg9ShlEZWFnb2Ma YCAr X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <3KVbKB.A.HI.cIvhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:34:52 +0000 (UTC) i dunno...myspace has been great. my digital sales report says that most hits come from myspace. if you've got itunes...open up the store and switch to "classical"...my record is #7 today, but it was #2 last week. granted, classical probably isn't a very big proportion of itunes! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 16:04:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0972C3BECC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65367.65.90.188.220.1149696252.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <20060607150049.307570@gmx.net> References: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> <64510.65.90.188.220.1149689859.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <20060607150049.307570@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <2Aby8B.A.IVB._jvhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:04:15 +0000 (UTC) > It would be interesting to see if you can route your main mix to > FireWire-Out & the monitor mix to standard PC Line-Out. > I'll have to check when I have time. Ha! I was just wondering about that exact thing. Sending a click through the line out would be perfect. Let me know what you figure out! --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 16:06:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60A803BEDF; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BKxjMvEUK8VyuLZu2chrp/W2scEKuPWooi59hc9DPkpvTsrkjbwnU/khLcge49zJTIHql20vxkk5KxSZOgcTv0oj7GFB0uNTw5FbSuZNFkLpf4lghNfus0vH6Thx7Oa9IOJjQMFxO38a2ylye6N/VpZdAwwxIlODTkOItcQ9xqY= ; Message-ID: <20060607160655.69187.qmail@web50014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Maravel Subject: leemaravel>com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Hello all- Got some preliminary stuff up on my new website- Check it out if you're so inclined- BTW-If it wasn't for the help, motivation + inspirations I've received from this list this website would not exist- That puts it on you guys (:> leemaravel.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 16:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17913BEF7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IeZ+J6gnaKKQeR08cBu0kWhpxDLteGwVBhAz0Ld5Sl+B0Ddln832cYAFcE5Rs1cWigz/VA+YyeOWmLO02Jg81vmnUFSZDei9aqygqhxwkCHOkOeTUjr8zW5ucwF1Hmp7Kq9Q2E2kAZF+FBSLZ/lzVtpVafAxDhVtVb5rCB/i/3A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <000701c68a42$2ff4ba00$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000701c68a42$2ff4ba00$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E703F50-3A07-4786-86CA-CAD9AD3D6B39@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: income (was MySpace Controversy) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:07:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <8nVOID.A.3mB.zmvhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Some figures: As a full time tour musician I typically did 140 USD per gig right into my pocket. Hotel and traveling expenses already taken care of by the central booking agency. One full month of touring dough added up reasonably. A one week album studio session typically payed 1300 USD (before taxes). At a particular session the record label was almost bankrupt and asked if we hired studio musicians would accept to work on a cut of eventual future record sale royalties (the artist was positive sharing his cut - the record label did not offer to share THEIR cut ;-). I accepted and was not payed the 1300 in hand. Luckily the artist had a hit with one track from the album which led to USD 8350 royalty pouring down my mail box three months later. But that was just the first royalty period, when the hit was forgotten sales went down and I received almost nothing. These good figures were just lucky and not at all like the norm. Some artistes never have a hit and definitely not instrumental acts as typically represented on this list. To make money you also have to work within the business, so professional publishers go out to negotiate your deals with representatives from other territories where releases are planned. But there is also a lot of trouble coming with such a "pro" set-up. Personally I did not want to stay in that situation, so I quit the pro level and started doing other things to financially back up my musical activities. The good side is that if you go amateur you can do all the fun and inspiring things... but rarely make any money ;-) Some people manage to hang on at a mid level as indie artists, working with indie labels and since a bunch of middle-men is cut out there seems to be possible to make more money in that set-up. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 16:25:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D0D33BEF3; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: laptop audio I/O hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:25:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071BF8@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: laptop audio I/O hardware Thread-Index: AcaJ+J2UUwipu83ESu6o/SVFSDz9ZwATOrPw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:25:42 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com]=20 > > I created my live rig in Max/MSP. I don't know how to measure=20 > latency, so I can only say I don't notice it after switching to the MOTU Technically it is incorrect to say that one audio interface has better latency than another. Latency in a computer-based system isn't a fixed characteristic of a device, it is something you tune for the combination of components in your system including the audio interface, computer, operating system, other attached devices, and many other tings. At a simplistic level, you can think of latency as being defined by two things: the size of the buffer used by the software device driver and the size of the buffer used by the hardware digital/audio converter in the interface. You have no control over the DAC buffer size, but you do have control over the driver buffer size. So assuming that two devices have comparable DAC buffer sizes, and you set the driver buffers to be the same, the two devices will have exactly the same amount of latency. One cannot be better than another. "But wait!" I can hear some of you say. What about those DAC buffers? If one device has a smaller buffer then it has better latency right? Technically yes, but we're talking about extremely small buffers, somewhere between 5 and 100 samples. Measurements of my sound card indicate that it has a buffer of around 32 samples. I don't care how sensitive a musician you think you are, *you cannot hear this*. Think you can? 32 samples at 44K is about 0.64 milliseconds. The speed of sound is 13.63 inches/millisecond at 75 degrees F. So a 32 sample buffer produces the same amount of delay as moving your head about 8.7 inches away from a sound source. The difference between slouching over your acoustic guitar vs. sitting upright. So unless the audio interface's DAC has an extraordinarily large buffer, latency is determined by the device driver buffer. As I said before you get to decide what this is. You tune latency by setting the buffer size as low as possible without hearing artifacts that usually sound like clicks. How small you can set this buffer is determined by a lot of things. One of them is the quality of the device driver for the audio interface. If one device has a badly written driver that does not allow you to select small buffer sizes without hearing clicks, then you could say that the device "has higher latency" than another but what that really means is "I cannot tune latency low enough". =20 In my limited experience with "prosumer" grade audio interfaces, the the device driver has never had any effect on latency. Latency problems I've had have always been related to the other things running on the computer, and the other devices attached to it. So, this was a long winded way of saying that it is difficult to=20 make generalizations like "the MOTU has lower latency than the M-Audio". The latency you can achieve is dependent on many things in the system, it is rarely an intrinsic characteristic of a single device. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 16:38:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 271EB3BEDD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:40:23 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: income (was MySpace Controversy) In-reply-to: <000701c68a42$2ff4ba00$0101a8c0@succubus> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009201c68a51$12cf7e10$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:38:23 +0000 (UTC) > > For this reason, Warren's statement seemed > rather...unbelievable to me, taking into account that Warren > is a professional musician and I am not. > Yes, but I'm afraid, as I said, that I can't count myself as a professional musician, tho' I wish I could (same reason as you and many others here - I like to have a roof over my head and eat a meal once in a while). Some of my skills are clearly pro level, but that's not the same thing as actually making a living at it. I've had some excellent worldwide exposure for both my music-related writing (in Guitar Player, Electronic Musician, etc.) and software (SlowGold), but none of it has translated into much interest in my music. My current plan is to transition to training corporate programmers 2 weeks each month. I've given up expecting income from music - my goal at this point is to simply have 1 uninterrupted week each month to devote to creative endeavors. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 17:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2F73BECD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:21:06 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000e01c68a56$c2ff0030$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071BF8@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaJ+J2UUwipu83ESu6o/SVFSDz9ZwATOrPwAAP+oVA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:21:13 +0000 (UTC) > Technically it is incorrect to say that one audio interface > has better latency than another. Latency in a computer-based > system isn't a fixed characteristic of a device, it is Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the way I understand this is: say you have a fixed computer system (same installation, same application), and use two different interfaces. Then you reduce the latency (of the driver, as you point out) up to the point where you get artifacts. If the setting of one interface is considerably lower than that of the other one, it's in my eyes safe to say that "the interface has lower latency", and this will be the case most of the time with other computers or setups. But yes, if you get a latency setting of 3ms on one computer in one configuration, chances are good that with the same interface, another computer and another application it will not be 3ms. > F. So a 32 sample buffer produces the same amount of delay > as moving your head about 8.7 inches away from a sound > source. The difference between slouching over your acoustic > guitar vs. sitting upright. Which brings us to another important point: you mention that sound travels at roughly 30cm/ms (using units I can understand ;). That means that in a typical living room setup, the time it takes the sound to travel from the speakers to your ear can be around 10ms. Even if you're having a kinda-nearfield setup, it's a little over 3ms. So something to keep in mind here should be using headphones. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 17:34:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 831913BEDD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OfNI7Z5Op8yxJblOl9Fh0NDD1NEj/3D9wh+eiMltJAA1Ev7Jk81PRaQqgpxw9QXYr+yliLK0dEZGcrCvVLR5qKMF1jMkIw8nnoe5WncED+a9DijiT2IqyTcq1WnO/VHI3yOLs82CW//sj6Qt5pFBLaRGd9zOgnDx+an9HCGSf5s= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:02 -0700 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kid Beyond's Midi Software In-Reply-To: <20060607084339.246970@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060607084339.246970@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of Kid Beyond, did anybody else catch him on the second episode of Vh1's Supergroup last w= eek? :) On 6/7/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > since somebody just mentioned Kid Beyond along with Ableton Live. > I've just read a very recent interview in a magazine. > > Kid Beyond mentioned he's now using a Powerbook G4 and as MIDI software "= Midi Pipe" from Subtle Soft: > http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/ > > Thought you might want to know > > Best regards > Buzap > -- > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 17:36:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BDE3BEE6; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4485E5E6.2060208@addcom.de> References: <010901c687bc$b38691a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4485E5E6.2060208@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:36:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Myspace OWNS your posted content.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4Qr7MC.A.jpF.T6whEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) At 10:30 PM +0200 6/6/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >loop.pool wrote: >>If I get a satisfactory and respectful answer to this situation >>I"ll let everyone know and >>then, perhaps we can start a Live Loopers at Tribe.net thread. > >I could live with the rules of MySpace regarding the license, as I >retain control by the ability to remove the content again, which is >fair... Yep, I would agree. However, IIRC this whole MySpace hubbub began when somebody actually went through the agreement several months ago, and *at that time* there was no clause stipulating that the license terminated when you pulled the content. Thus, there was no stated termination limit and the earlier agreement did de facto cover your material, as Duncan put it, "in perpetuity" (or at least as long as they retained backup tapes). That's since changed (bravo!) due to user backlash, I think. Why such a edit had to occur as the result of user protest -- rather than merely being a part of good contract practice by News Corporation's army of lawyers at the very beginning -- makes me a little wary, but still not so much as: >But my bigger concern is that MySpace belongs to the evil forces of >Mordor (though he spells himself Murdoch). They make a lot of money >with the help of the contributors, but do not share this. This might >be not fair. Right there with you. Although I don't feel that Murdoch has explicitly evil morals so much as he has no morals whatsoever, and will do anything or pander to anyone merely to chase a buck. Of the deadly seven, Greed, I think, is more his "sin du jour". I certainly don't 100% trust him or his endeavors. In as far as MySpace goes, I can't shake the feeling of merely getting suckered. I mean, the general pitch goes: "come post your content to a site where you can be associated with many big names and a huge user community". Yet, with 10,000 other bands signing up for the site as well, what's the chance of your being catapulted to stardom or, for that matter, even being noticed by those celebrities you wished to rub shoulders with? And, in the meantime, News Corp winds up with scads of free content (not to mention the traffic from all these bands themselves signing up for MySpace) which Murdoch *can* then leverage to make money himself. Sure, people are connecting with other people, promoting their products, and getting some good out of advertising themselves on MySpace. But I still get left with the icky feeling it's nothing more than a PT Barnum spiel. >Its time to use one of these services, I guess it doesn't matter too >much for all of us which one it is. I'd visit looper sites >anywhere... Agreed. I'll support members of the community no matter where they choose to post their material. Just need the URL... ;) --m. -- _______ "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 17:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C62D43BEE6; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OA72bdaJZL+wqiDdoAxInIiOzbPQlGUA8XaHFoQ8fGMV2k9F6F7/Pz8TCZcrHXJ9XU/Iz5alIgAuQa7GIQ3FruqacZonM5hTi1xcL9vnEJltvg7zu+SgPzhUr6WVwF5emM12/g73mcf8v0t6e34UpDhZejSXuqUrQ3JRKWAMMws= Message-ID: <26ba8d120606071045j12b47f70od413c9654953240c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:45:23 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kid Beyond's Midi Software In-Reply-To: <20060607084339.246970@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060607084339.246970@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a7fdd440a5103898 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:45:24 +0000 (UTC) He must be using that as well as Live. This is just a routing program, albeit a very clever one... On 6/7/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > since somebody just mentioned Kid Beyond along with Ableton Live. > I've just read a very recent interview in a magazine. > > Kid Beyond mentioned he's now using a Powerbook G4 and as MIDI software "= Midi Pipe" from Subtle Soft: > http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/ > > Thought you might want to know > > Best regards > Buzap > -- > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > --=20 /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 17:52:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3467D3BEE7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071BF8@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071BF8@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:52:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Very cool! Thanks for that technical discussion, I love learning about=20= that. And I certainly can't argue technical details, I don't know=20 enough about them. But I know more now. But I can honestly state my experience, which is, and remains: On the same system, same settings, same software: latency is different=20= between the m-audio I used and the motu. It could very well be the way the drivers are written, but whatever the=20= reason. It was noticeable in my system. > So, this was a long winded way of saying that it is difficult to > make generalizations like "the MOTU has lower latency than the=20 > M-Audio". But it is ok to make generalizations that firewire devices are the=20 same, in terms of latency? Technically, after your report, yes. Based=20 on my experience, no. But I wasn't trying to make a generalization=20 about all fw devices, I was answering a question using a comparison=20 between devices based purely on my experience, and will try to be more=20= clear in the future that it is purely my opinion/experience. So also,=20 my apologies if someone felt maligned by my language if I seemed to be=20= slamming someone's beloved device. Anyway, this is a long winded way of saying I may be technically=20 incorrect, but I stand by my experience.....but from now on I will say,=20= "I couldn't tune the latency low enough...." And, really, thanks Jeff, for all that great information. It helps to=20 discuss from a more technical standpoint. best regards, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:25 AM, jeff larson wrote: >> From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com] >> >> I created my live rig in Max/MSP. I don't know how to measure >> latency, so I can only say I don't notice it after switching to the > MOTU > > Technically it is incorrect to say that one audio interface has better > latency than another. Latency in a computer-based system isn't a = fixed > characteristic of a device, it is something you tune for the=20 > combination > of components in your system including the audio interface, computer, > operating system, other attached devices, and many other tings. > > At a simplistic level, you can think of latency as being defined by > two things: the size of the buffer used by the software device driver > and the size of the buffer used by the hardware digital/audio > converter in the interface. You have no control over the DAC buffer > size, but you do have control over the driver buffer size. > > So assuming that two devices have comparable DAC buffer sizes, > and you set the driver buffers to be the same, the two devices > will have exactly the same amount of latency. One cannot be better > than another. > > "But wait!" I can hear some of you say. What about those DAC buffers? > If one device has a smaller buffer then it has better latency right? > Technically yes, but we're talking about extremely small buffers, > somewhere between 5 and 100 samples. Measurements of my sound card > indicate that it has a buffer of around 32 samples. I don't care how > sensitive a musician you think you are, *you cannot hear this*. > > Think you can? 32 samples at 44K is about 0.64 milliseconds. The > speed of sound is 13.63 inches/millisecond at 75 degrees F. So a 32 > sample buffer produces the same amount of delay as moving your head > about 8.7 inches away from a sound source. The difference between > slouching over your acoustic guitar vs. sitting upright. > > So unless the audio interface's DAC has an extraordinarily large > buffer, latency is determined by the device driver buffer. As I said > before you get to decide what this is. You tune latency by setting > the buffer size as low as possible without hearing artifacts that > usually sound like clicks. How small you can set this buffer is > determined by a lot of things. One of them is the quality of the > device driver for the audio interface. > > If one device has a badly written driver that does not allow you to > select small buffer sizes without hearing clicks, then you could say > that the device "has higher latency" than another but what that > really means is "I cannot tune latency low enough". > > In my limited experience with "prosumer" grade audio interfaces, the > the device driver has never had any effect on latency. Latency > problems I've had have always been related to the other things running > on the computer, and the other devices attached to it. > > So, this was a long winded way of saying that it is difficult to > make generalizations like "the MOTU has lower latency than the=20 > M-Audio". > The latency you can achieve is dependent on many things in the system, > it is rarely an intrinsic characteristic of a single device. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 18:13:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10D993BED6; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CTbNOrxC++NqEBaNOero+zIwEL5m93rTdAibTcPQYtKlEFByiD2FewWj5lZTVP9mJBalfi8XbkhtAXIJ76wafZEC97udJ4tl8tIy0aYYSLr9P7zq8pcuMcDhT1ye5jUmBdgS/L8l1jSIl9ihsFA2Yoc48uTl7i5hWTed4uX0yGI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <000e01c68a56$c2ff0030$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000e01c68a56$c2ff0030$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <83067D24-79B4-461D-92F5-8387D33DB177@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:13:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <77MS3D.A.eeH.gdxhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:13:53 +0000 (UTC) On 7 jun 2006, at 19.21, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Which brings us to another important point: you mention that sound > travels > at roughly 30cm/ms (using units I can understand ;). That means > that in a > typical living room setup, the time it takes the sound to travel > from the > speakers to your ear can be around 10ms. Even if you're having a > kinda-nearfield setup, it's a little over 3ms. So something to keep > in mind > here should be using headphones. Or the opposite ;-) This is a well known phenomenon in studios. Some musicians may have difficulties to play tight with headphones because of the short latency compared to what they are used to from playing live on tour (more latency on stage because of the distance to amps, drum kit and stage monitors). And I guess the opposite may be true for bedroom studio musicians; i.e. experiencing trouble with playing well with natural latency since they are used to headphones. Over here I like to practice live looping two meters from the monitors. That distance approximately equals the normal stage monitoring situation. In acoustic orchestra disciplines it has always been important for musicians to learn how to "play with latency", either before or after the real beat. The norm here is to make sure the sound from all instruments reach the audience at the same time. So a trumpet player has to play a little slow, since he is targeting the listeners directly with his instrument, while the french horn guys have to play a little more early because their instrument is targeting the ceiling and the audience will hear a mix of the muffled direct sound and the reflected sound. They all depend on the director, because timing-wise the sound is not accurate at the musicians individual spots. If you listen to a big band, choir or orchestra it's fun to walk around listening and notice the big differences in sound perspectives. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 18:25:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42B1F3BEE4; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: laptop audio I/O hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071C01@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <000e01c68a56$c2ff0030$0101a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: laptop audio I/O hardware Thread-Index: AcaJ+J2UUwipu83ESu6o/SVFSDz9ZwATOrPwAAP+oVAAActjoA== From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-JKhJB.A.57H.XoxhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:25:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > say you have a fixed computer system (same installation, same=20 > application), and use two different interfaces. Then you reduce=20 > the latency (of the driver, as you point out) up to the point > where you get artifacts. If the setting of one interface is > considerably lower than that of the other one, it's in my eyes > safe to say that "the interface has lower latency" True. My claim is that this is usually not the case for most mid to high range audio interfaces designed for musicians. If they're both using the same physical interface (USB, FW, PCI) and there is still a big difference in the lowest buffer size, it means the device driver is poorly written. It isn't that hard to write an ASIO device driver. If there is a problem in a driver, it tends to get fixed quickly because this is a very competitive market. > From: Jeff Kaiser [mailto:loopersdelight@pfmentum.com]=20 > But I can honestly state my experience, which is, and remains: > On the same system, same settings, same software: latency is=20 > different between the m-audio I used and the motu. This can only be because the buffer sizes were different. Did you specifically set the ASIO buffer sizes (or whatever the equivalent is on the Mac) after swapping devices? Installing a new audio device can sometimes change the default ASIO buffer size. Some drivers may be more conservative than others. If you had never manually changed your buffer size, then my belief is that the MOTU install lowered your buffer size without you knowing it. This then wouldn't be a fair comparison. You would have to return to the M-Audio with the new lower buffer size and see if it works without clicks. If it does then the latencies are effectively the same. If you are claiming that the buffer sizes were the same and you can detect the minute differences between the digital/analog converters, well congratulations because you're one of the very few people on the planet that can do that. :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 18:25:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA8763BEEE; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tZScYNCmjLExu++qMXb3pDmBesF9YYrIJQomlubxiDwEgJbG6RfuqQh64iaayRFM; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <24899205.1149704741960.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:25:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kid Beyond's Midi Software/tv appearance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd480d3ff1618c2574b7343200777b7a092660db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.33 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:25:42 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- >From: Joey >Sent: Jun 7, 2006 10:34 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Kid Beyond's Midi Software > >Speaking of Kid Beyond, >did anybody else catch him on the second episode of Vh1's Supergroup last week? > :) Hope he got payed good for that embarrassment! s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 19:04:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17AB13BEB5; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64641.65.90.188.220.1149707080.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20060607084339.246970@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:04:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Kid Beyond's Midi Software From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Wish I had! That guy's incredible. --Josh > Speaking of Kid Beyond, > > did anybody else catch him on the second episode of Vh1's Supergroup last > week? > > :) > > > > On 6/7/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> Hi folks >> >> since somebody just mentioned Kid Beyond along with Ableton Live. >> I've just read a very recent interview in a magazine. >> >> Kid Beyond mentioned he's now using a Powerbook G4 and as MIDI software >> "Midi Pipe" from Subtle Soft: >> http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/ >> >> Thought you might want to know >> >> Best regards >> Buzap >> -- >> >> >> Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! >> Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 19:05:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E9C3BECD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071C01@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071C01@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3afba1b94fe7755bc9d8e99d1f10b0ea@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:05:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:05:31 +0000 (UTC) > If you had never manually changed your > buffer size, then my belief is that the MOTU install lowered your > buffer size without you knowing it. This then wouldn't be a fair > comparison. You would have to return to the M-Audio with the new > lower buffer size and see if it works without clicks. If it does then > the latencies are effectively the same. The buffers are set in the DSP options of the application itself. They remained the same. Could the driver itself change the CPU load? Would that affect latency? (I.e., a poorly written driver vs. a well written driver could make a difference?) > > If you are claiming that the buffer sizes were the same and you can > detect the minute differences between the digital/analog converters, > well congratulations because you're one of the very few people > on the planet that can do that. :-) dude. Flattery will get you everywhere with me! :-) rock on, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 19:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645ED3BEB3; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2575166C-67B2-41DF-A86C-95985D98C470@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Zoe on iTunes (was all that MySpace nonsense) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:43:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:43:06 +0000 (UTC) >>>if you've got itunes...open up the store and switch to "classical"...my record is #7 today, but it was #2 last week. granted, classical probably isn't a very big proportion of itunes!<<< From what I've heard, it's a fairly sizeable proportion of what happens no iTunes. Either way, that's fantastic news that you're doing that well!! And muchly deserved it is too. :o) ta ta Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 19:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E13C3BEB6; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65263.65.90.188.220.1149710365.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <2575166C-67B2-41DF-A86C-95985D98C470@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <2575166C-67B2-41DF-A86C-95985D98C470@steve-lawson.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:59:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Zoe on iTunes (was all that MySpace nonsense) From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4CQS0B.A.64D.fAzhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Downloading Zoe's CD now... Blown away! --Josh > >>>if you've got itunes...open up the store and switch to > "classical"...my record is #7 today, but it was #2 last week. > granted, classical probably isn't a very big proportion of itunes!<<< > > From what I've heard, it's a fairly sizeable proportion of what > happens no iTunes. > > Either way, that's fantastic news that you're doing that well!! And > muchly deserved it is too. :o) > > ta ta > > Steve > www.stevelawson.net - site > www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog > www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 19:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA5763BEDD; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eRIjU1CjtzUveUO0O2qQKfU3lgIIE+0W0ZWVKVcWYhfW9TtddJsVTfwsz4WSLyjc70oBKuK5tol84M+MQ3q513BhTW/e75mysQYVOFwqTNDIEvcHIxTkv/pgChiOBPziAAog06OTpCtBBne7IlpzPiWWiw5hGGWoRTBk6YWxAsw= ; Message-ID: <20060607195946.12113.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: income (was MySpace Controversy) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <269AA6EA-8720-4E32-843D-CFC2F4E05CF4@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5DltzD.A.C_D.0AzhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I've only been doing the Myspace thing for a few months, and it's been the source of gigs (at which I sold CDs), sessions and several collaboration offers. I wouldn't say any of it's been, ahem, profitable, but it's certainly not been a case of Rupert making off with any loot that should have been rightly mine. I'm up to a whopping $18 from CD Baby sales. My online sales to Scandinavians lead my online sales in the US 2 to 1. (Unfortunately, that ratio is also a literal figure: I've sold 2 there and 1 here...) -t- --- Zoe Keating wrote: > i dunno...myspace has been great. my digital sales > report says that > most hits come from myspace. > > if you've got itunes...open up the store and switch > to > "classical"...my record is #7 today, but it was #2 > last week. > granted, classical probably isn't a very big > proportion of itunes! > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 20:10:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 403E53BEAF; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: laptop audio I/O hardware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:10:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071C09@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3afba1b94fe7755bc9d8e99d1f10b0ea@pfmentum.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: laptop audio I/O hardware Thread-Index: AcaKZVnxLeulb78BRvGG84uiRcVmwAABzqAw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <1uDaBB.A.IZE.PLzhEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:10:56 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jeff Kaiser > The buffers are set in the DSP options of the application itself. They > remained the same. >=20 > Could the driver itself change the CPU load? Would that=20 > affect latency?=20 A driver can cause more CPU load, but that does not necessarily affect latency. Latency is defined by the buffer size. If your buffer size is 256 samples, then your latency is 5.8 milliseconds,=20 period. It doesn't matter what hardware interface you are using, if the buffer size is 256 your latency is 5.8 milliseconds, always and forever. What increased CPU load can do is cause you to "miss interrupts" because the computer can't keep up with requests from the audio interface. This will sound like clicks or noise. So while a particular driver may require more CPU, if you are not hearing any clicks it doesn't matter, it is still operating within the latency defined by the buffer size. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 20:41:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11043BEB3; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:39:02 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Kid Beyond's Midi Software Message-ID: <20060607203902.GA19286@tanawana.zoominternet.net> References: <20060607084339.246970@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Knew who he was right away and thought this is gonna be "great" Too bad they didn't give him much more than a door slam. Damn Sebastion :O( On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 10:34:02AM -0700, Joey wrote: > Speaking of Kid Beyond, > > did anybody else catch him on the second episode of Vh1's Supergroup last > week? > > :) > > > > On 6/7/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >Hi folks > > > >since somebody just mentioned Kid Beyond along with Ableton Live. > >I've just read a very recent interview in a magazine. > > > >Kid Beyond mentioned he's now using a Powerbook G4 and as MIDI software > >"Midi Pipe" from Subtle Soft: > >http://homepage.mac.com/nicowald/SubtleSoft/ > > > >Thought you might want to know > > > >Best regards > >Buzap > >-- > > > > > >Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > >Ideal f?r Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 20:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D1083BEB2; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c68a74$ebd545a0$99b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060607195946.12113.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: income (was MySpace Controversy) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:56:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:56:54 +0000 (UTC) I'm so shocked!!! I've actually made over $50 at CDBaby, and find MySpace to have been nothing short of great regarding hooking up with most of you, as well as many others from a variety of my life interests. I'm pretty sure all that boilerplate in the T/C is just cya. No worries here. Feel free to check out my tunes there! -Miko www.myspace.com/biffozz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: income (was MySpace Controversy) > Yeah, I've only been doing the Myspace thing for a few > months, and it's been the source of gigs (at which I > sold CDs), sessions and several collaboration offers. > I wouldn't say any of it's been, ahem, profitable, but > it's certainly not been a case of Rupert making off > with any loot that should have been rightly mine. > > I'm up to a whopping $18 from CD Baby sales. My online > sales to Scandinavians lead my online sales in the US > 2 to 1. (Unfortunately, that ratio is also a literal > figure: I've sold 2 there and 1 here...) > > -t- > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > i dunno...myspace has been great. my digital sales > > report says that > > most hits come from myspace. > > > > if you've got itunes...open up the store and switch > > to > > "classical"...my record is #7 today, but it was #2 > > last week. > > granted, classical probably isn't a very big > > proportion of itunes! > > > > > > > > 'Rantai' CD: > 'Mesh' CD: > Chain Tape Collective: > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 7 23:16:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B49D3BEC1; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=OS7xfRtTBv+Er9wvk+BhGR1cJh+Wqfj0YANpguLqUsfvMfZlTs0HgNKTn9eT8ILs3MdvPjw26jUgJGUw+q1My4sN4yvfGvDyrcKGHTCgfX07f11yZIJzhAqrVOu2JsZo/94P7sll16XK+3VXyHjyDpLn18jIk1uuoIeevpyJzTY= Message-ID: <46fea78d0606071616x5257feey1fbe2eaeea41fe09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:16:45 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Shopping List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12162_1160278.1149722205462" Resent-Message-ID: <4NWpt.A.HIH.e51hEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:16:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12162_1160278.1149722205462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey friends I'm working on building my new signal chain, since I added 2 JamMans into the mix, there are a few more things I need. I figured I'd ask around here, try to keep it in the family before I hit the web. :) I'm on a severe budget, (sound familiar?) so I have hopes someone on-list will be willing to sell for cheap some things maybe they don't need so much any more, collecting dust... My shopping list: 2 mono volume pedals (40 USD each?) 1 ABY splitter (any suggestions on a decent one? Will stay in "Y" mode perpetually.) 6 8+ foot 1/4" cables That's it for now... building goes in phases. I'm pretty good at mowing lawns and cutting hair, maybe we could work out a deal? :) Write back if you'd like to help a new looper out. Cheers! David ------=_Part_12162_1160278.1149722205462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hey friends
I'm working on building my new signal chain, since I added 2 JamMans into the mix, there are a few more things I need. I figured I'd ask around here, try to keep it in the family before I hit the web. :) I'm on a severe budget, (sound familiar?) so I have hopes someone on-list will be willing to sell for cheap some things maybe they don't need so much any more, collecting dust...
 
My shopping list:
2 mono volume pedals (40 USD each?)
1 ABY splitter (any suggestions on a decent one? Will stay in "Y" mode perpetually.)
6 8+ foot 1/4" cables
 
That's it for now... building goes in phases. I'm pretty good at mowing lawns and cutting hair, maybe we could work out a deal? :)
Write back if you'd like to help a new looper out.
 
Cheers!
David
------=_Part_12162_1160278.1149722205462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 00:28:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20A4F3BEB9; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:28:39 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_415.2ede14e.31b8c937_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:28:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_415.2ede14e.31b8c937_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit received the boss rc50 yesterday and have been working with it quite a bit since. the overall features seem solid. i'm liking the sub out option of sending just a loop signal to a drummer/bass player. i'm not a novice at working with looping units - i've worked with the boomerang, the rc20 and the echoplex with the berringer midi pedal. i realize it takes some work to get a feel for the each unit's pedal "action" for lack of a better word, but i'm struggling with this units pedals in a way i had not anticipated. generally my rhythm skills are very solid. for the most part i've been able to create pretty seamless loops with the other units, but this one.......i'm getting a pronounced "hiccup" frequently at the end of the recording and the begining of the playback of the "phrase". the wierd thing is that when i listen to the playback over several repetitions, i don't hear the "hiccup", and for the most part the phrase sounds ok. so, i just got off the phone with ryan at roland customer support, and he says i'm not losing my mind, that he has experienced the same thing. in "single" mode, this is less of a problem, but in multi mode it is more prononuced. unbelievable.....i can't believe they would let this slip by, especially after the long wait for the damn thing. i mean you can pretty much do the single mode thing with the rc20....the whole point is to be able to use the multi mode functions. his suggestions were to "play through" the first beat of the phrase after you've hit the end of the recording of it....ok, that seems like a pain. he also seems to think that roland will eventually issue a software update. i suppose none of this matters if you usually start your loop with silence on the first beat.......and how many of us do that? when is that new boomerang supposed to come out? anyone have impressions, opinions on this? thanks, John Floridis 406-721-9161 (home) 406-544-0787 (cell) johnfloridis.com --part1_415.2ede14e.31b8c937_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable received the boss rc50 yesterday and ha= ve been working with it quite a bit since.  the overall features seem=20= solid.  i'm liking the sub out option of sending just a loop signal to= a drummer/bass player.

i'm not a novice at working with looping units - i've worked with the boomer= ang, the rc20 and the echoplex with the berringer midi pedal.  i reali= ze it takes some work to get a feel for the each unit's pedal "action" for l= ack of a better word, but i'm struggling with this units pedals in a way i h= ad not anticipated.  generally  my rhythm skills are very solid.=   for the most part i've been able to create pretty seamless loops wit= h the other units, but this one.......i'm getting a pronounced "hiccup" freq= uently at the end of the recording and the begining of the playback of the "= phrase".  the wierd thing is that when i listen to the playback over s= everal repetitions, i don't hear the "hiccup", and for the most part the phr= ase sounds ok.

so, i just got off the phone with ryan at roland customer support, and he sa= ys i'm not losing my mind, that he has experienced the same thing.  in= "single" mode, this is less of a problem, but in multi mode it is more pron= onuced.  unbelievable.....i can't believe they would let this slip by,= especially after the long wait for the damn thing.  i mean you can pr= etty much do the single mode thing with the rc20....the whole point is to be= able to use the multi mode functions.

his suggestions were to "play through" the first beat of the phrase after yo= u've hit the end of the recording of it....ok, that seems like a pain. = he also seems to think that roland will eventually issue a software update= . 

i suppose none of this matters if you usually start your loop with silence o= n the first beat.......and how many of us do that?

when is that new boomerang supposed to come out? 

anyone have impressions, opinions on this?

thanks,

John Floridis
406-721-9161 (home)
406-544-0787 (cell)
johnfloridis.com
 --part1_415.2ede14e.31b8c937_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 01:10:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8119D3BEC7; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 01:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IqsYCVE/7hhdQ6urmbhOv7c2Rxofemr6aYBoRCb4e5yvUxJNfOxa0P3u/JMZjOy7ep3SQ0CpAE9jDDmrnjuNvc/hmtPhWG9ukgkbmfV4EtftJYrtVbmUhesUmtcCpjGO/vlMT47jbZEYIZg/yx1PLI94v3Lemy7RpfwSPZCNOgE= ; Message-ID: <20060608011010.23100.qmail@web55509.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Gnaoua Trance Music Festival 2006 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-152914873-1149729010=:21718" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 01:10:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-152914873-1149729010=:21718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Worth a mention here I think... Check this scene out for the REAL trance music. Very very far out! http://www.festival-gnaoua.co.ma/ Monica __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-152914873-1149729010=:21718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
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Check this scene out for the REAL trance music.
Very very far out!
 
 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-152914873-1149729010=:21718-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 02:02:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E36783BEB6; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 02:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:01:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C68A5C.78E7A870" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 02:02:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C68A5C.78E7A870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yea i couldn't get trigger the loops on time that well either so I set = the pedals to change at the end of the loop, so I hit the next loop and = it changes exactly at the end of the previous rather then when I = immediatly hit the pedal..I Love this feature and it works like a = charm..Plus if you have say loop 2 or 3 that you want as a one shot = loop, you can set each loop the way you want it to trigger so loop one, = or you main loop can be set to trigger at loop end and the other 2 can = be set as a one shot that will immediately trigger when you hit the = pedals..VERY cool. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jfloridis@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" received the boss rc50 yesterday and have been working with it quite a = bit since. the overall features seem solid. i'm liking the sub out = option of sending just a loop signal to a drummer/bass player. i'm not a novice at working with looping units - i've worked with the = boomerang, the rc20 and the echoplex with the berringer midi pedal. i = realize it takes some work to get a feel for the each unit's pedal = "action" for lack of a better word, but i'm struggling with this units = pedals in a way i had not anticipated. generally my rhythm skills are = very solid. for the most part i've been able to create pretty seamless = loops with the other units, but this one.......i'm getting a pronounced = "hiccup" frequently at the end of the recording and the begining of the = playback of the "phrase". the wierd thing is that when i listen to the = playback over several repetitions, i don't hear the "hiccup", and for = the most part the phrase sounds ok. so, i just got off the phone with ryan at roland customer support, and = he says i'm not losing my mind, that he has experienced the same thing. = in "single" mode, this is less of a problem, but in multi mode it is = more prononuced. unbelievable.....i can't believe they would let this = slip by, especially after the long wait for the damn thing. i mean you = can pretty much do the single mode thing with the rc20....the whole = point is to be able to use the multi mode functions. his suggestions were to "play through" the first beat of the phrase = after you've hit the end of the recording of it....ok, that seems like a = pain. he also seems to think that roland will eventually issue a = software update. =20 i suppose none of this matters if you usually start your loop with = silence on the first beat.......and how many of us do that? when is that new boomerang supposed to come out? =20 anyone have impressions, opinions on this? thanks, John Floridis 406-721-9161 (home) 406-544-0787 (cell) johnfloridis.com ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C68A5C.78E7A870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yea i couldn't get trigger the loops on = time that=20 well either so I set the pedals to change at the end of the loop, so I = hit the=20 next loop and it changes exactly at the end of the previous rather then = when I=20 immediatly hit the pedal..I Love this feature and it works like a = charm..Plus if=20 you have say loop 2 or 3 that you want as a one shot loop, you can set = each loop=20 the way you want it to trigger so loop one, or you main loop can be set = to=20 trigger at loop end and the other 2 can be set as a one shot that will=20 immediately trigger when you hit the pedals..VERY cool.
 
Sean Mormelo
www.seanmormelo.com
www.myspace.com/seanmormelo
EPK-=20 www.sonicbids.com/seanmorme= lo
www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo=
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jfloridis@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 = 4:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 = impressions/pedal=20 "action"

received the boss rc50 yesterday and = have been=20 working with it quite a bit since.  the overall features seem=20 solid.  i'm liking the sub out option of sending just a loop = signal to a=20 drummer/bass player.

i'm not a novice at working with looping = units -=20 i've worked with the boomerang, the rc20 and the echoplex with the = berringer=20 midi pedal.  i realize it takes some work to get a feel for the = each=20 unit's pedal "action" for lack of a better word, but i'm struggling = with this=20 units pedals in a way i had not anticipated.  generally  my = rhythm=20 skills are very solid.  for the most part i've been able to = create pretty=20 seamless loops with the other units, but this one.......i'm getting a=20 pronounced "hiccup" frequently at the end of the recording and the = begining of=20 the playback of the "phrase".  the wierd thing is that when i = listen to=20 the playback over several repetitions, i don't hear the "hiccup", and = for the=20 most part the phrase sounds ok.

so, i just got off the phone = with ryan=20 at roland customer support, and he says i'm not losing my mind, that = he has=20 experienced the same thing.  in "single" mode, this is less of a = problem,=20 but in multi mode it is more prononuced.  unbelievable.....i = can't=20 believe they would let this slip by, especially after the long wait = for the=20 damn thing.  i mean you can pretty much do the single mode thing = with the=20 rc20....the whole point is to be able to use the multi mode=20 functions.

his suggestions were to "play through" the first = beat of the=20 phrase after you've hit the end of the recording of it....ok, that = seems like=20 a pain.  he also seems to think that roland will eventually issue = a=20 software update. 

i suppose none of this matters if you = usually=20 start your loop with silence on the first beat.......and how many of = us do=20 that?

when is that new boomerang supposed to come out? =20

anyone have impressions, opinions on = this?

thanks,

John=20 Floridis
406-721-9161 (home)
406-544-0787 (cell)
johnfloridis.com
------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C68A5C.78E7A870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 03:09:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5343BECC; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <4a4.1864446.31b8eed9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:09:13 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" To: sean@seanmormelo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4a4.1864446.31b8eed9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:09:24 +0000 (UTC) --part1_4a4.1864446.31b8eed9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks sean, though i have to say i'm a little fuzzy on that technique. set the pedals to change? do you mean from one patch to another? is this something you came up with on your own or is that in the manual? john In a message dated 6/7/06 8:02:44 PM, sean@seanmormelo.com writes: > Yea i couldn't get trigger the loops on time that well either so I set the > pedals to change at the end of the loop, so I hit the next loop and it > changes exactly at the end of the previous rather then when I immediatly hit the > pedal..I Love this feature and it works like a charm..Plus if you have say loop > 2 or 3 that you want as a one shot loop, you can set each loop the way you > want it to trigger so loop one, or you main loop can be set to trigger at loop > end and the other 2 can be set as a one shot that will immediately trigger > when you hit the pedals..VERY cool. > --part1_4a4.1864446.31b8eed9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks sean, though i have to say i'm a little fuzzy on that technique. = ; set the pedals to change?  do you mean from one patch to another?&n= bsp; is this something you came up with on your own or is that in the manua= l?

john


In a message dated 6/7/06 8:02:44 PM, sean@seanmormelo.com writes:
Yea i couldn't get tr= igger the loops on time that well either so I set the pedals to change at th= e end of the loop, so I hit the next loop and it changes exactly at the end=20= of the previous rather then when I immediatly hit the pedal..I Love this fea= ture and it works like a charm..Plus if you have say loop 2 or 3 that you wa= nt as a one shot loop, you can set each loop the way you want it to trigger=20= so loop one, or you main loop can be set to trigger at loop end and the othe= r 2 can be set as a one shot that will immediately trigger when you hit the=20= pedals..VERY cool.


 --part1_4a4.1864446.31b8eed9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 03:21:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFAFC3BED9; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [58.188.245.53] X-Originating-Email: [nathanstueve@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nathanstueve@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> From: "Nathan Stueve" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:21:39 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2006 03:21:43.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA7EFC00:01C68AAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:21:46 +0000 (UTC) i've noticed this sometimes too, a singular hiccup at the moment the loop is initially closed right? it never reoccurs as the loop plays through or while performing overdubs? i assumed this was due to the loop quantize feature, some sort of momentary calculation / readjustment that causes the initial hiccup. seems like a pretty minor problem, but all the same i hope roland really does issue a software update for the RC-50, more to fix the compression expansion than anything else. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 03:28:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6C783BEE4; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> References: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:28:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: My impressions of the BOSS RC-50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1062385192==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <-zMWZC.A.Ja.Jl5hEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:28:09 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1062385192==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I spent some time this afternoon with a friend's RC-50. LOVE: Loops can be independent lengths and run simultaneously (in the so called "multi mode".) Loops can fade in and fade out when activated. Momentary record function is fan-fucking-tastic!! 4 outputs.. click could be run independently to a personal monitor or drummer if desired. Possible stereo operation.. haven't tried it but I suppose that you could mute the signal to the left input, add audio to the right side, mute the right input and add audio to the left, effectively giving you 6 loops of 3 lengths at once.... HATE: Please feel free to correct any misinformation here! No speed/pitch control of loops.. octave, half speed, NOPE! (it has a really crude timestretch algo, but it's horrid - not cool horrid like the electrix repeater, either) No control of feedback for loop... too dense? erase and start again! Yellow / Green LED color too similar on Play / OD lights, especially in bright light. Must select loop with one pedal and then select stop / play with another. I would rather select and cue playback/ stop with one button. Too many menu hunts required for a simple pan control, reverse mode etc.... Silly accompaniment sounds and presets... Footswitches are way too imprecise and rubbery. USB operation too fussy... requires menu selections and button presses to connect and to disconnect from the computer. Changing 'Patches' wipes entire loop if you didn't 'write' it.. No expandable storage all memory is internal. DISCLAIMER: I have been using the EH2880 for the past few weeks and its simple interface with real knobs, one function per button, stereo mixdown track which can be unsynched from the main 4 tracks, plus instant reverse (even in record) and -most importantly- the ability to varispeed the whole mess with a knob has me a bit down on the virtual- menu driven key memorization world that is everything else. If a looper is an instrument, shouldn't it have an interface designed like one? -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1062385192==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" My impressions of the BOSS RC-50
I spent some time this afternoon with a friend's RC-50.

LOVE:

Loops can be independent lengths and run simultaneously (in the so called "multi mode".)

Loops can fade in and fade out when activated.

Momentary record function is fan-fucking-tastic!!

4 outputs.. click could be run independently to a personal monitor or drummer if desired.

Possible stereo operation.. haven't tried it but I suppose that you could mute the signal to the left input, add audio to the right side, mute the right input and add audio to the left, effectively giving you 6 loops of 3 lengths at once....




HATE:

Please feel free to correct any misinformation here!

No speed/pitch control of loops.. octave, half speed, NOPE! (it has a really crude timestretch algo, but it's horrid - not cool horrid like the electrix repeater, either)

No control of feedback for loop... too dense? erase and start again!

Yellow / Green LED color too similar on Play / OD lights, especially in bright light.

Must select loop with one pedal and then select stop / play with another. I would rather select and cue playback/ stop with one button.

Too many menu hunts required for a simple pan control, reverse mode etc....

Silly accompaniment sounds and presets...

Footswitches are way too imprecise and rubbery.

USB operation too fussy... requires menu selections and button presses to connect and to disconnect from the computer.

Changing 'Patches' wipes entire loop if you didn't 'write' it..

No expandable storage all memory is internal.


DISCLAIMER:

I have been using the EH2880 for the past few weeks and its simple interface with real knobs, one function per button, stereo mixdown track which can be unsynched from the main 4 tracks, plus instant reverse (even in record) and -most importantly- the ability to varispeed the whole mess with a knob has me a bit down on the virtual- menu driven key memorization world that is everything else.

If a looper is an instrument, shouldn't it have an interface designed like one?

--
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http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1062385192==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 03:50:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D3453BECA; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071C09@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071C09@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: laptop audio I/O hardware Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:50:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:50:14 +0000 (UTC) my 2 cents, beware of the occasional driver that displays 'roundtrip' latency. or maybe it's better to be aware that most do not show roundtrip. there are buffers on the way in and the way out, so if you are processing live audio you get twice the latency. some driver setting windows will show one or the other, if you are setting a third party device from within the settings for a host app, who knows if you can trust the numbers it displays. also higher sampling rates give you significantly less latency, albeit at the cost of CPU. - b On Jun 7, 2006, at 4:10 PM, jeff larson wrote: >> From: Jeff Kaiser >> The buffers are set in the DSP options of the application itself. >> They > >> remained the same. >> >> Could the driver itself change the CPU load? Would that >> affect latency? > > A driver can cause more CPU load, but that does not necessarily > affect latency. Latency is defined by the buffer size. If your > buffer size is 256 samples, then your latency is 5.8 milliseconds, > period. It doesn't matter what hardware interface you are using, > if the buffer size is 256 your latency is 5.8 milliseconds, always > and forever. > > What increased CPU load can do is cause you to "miss interrupts" > because the computer can't keep up with requests from the audio > interface. This will sound like clicks or noise. So while a > particular driver may require more CPU, if you are not hearing any > clicks it doesn't matter, it is still operating within the latency > defined by the buffer size. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 05:25:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 330333BEC7; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 05:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=e4CeK0qflBrIgXmTLvh3ttKR3qnRbQeMLw/f5kBfTHD0CGGZA1RVJpu8FxlKL9wxsjCSbZcZNckxzvt5t5j+5On0ZcrWiacxyNHN5se/g0AO2PDEY2Hygl6XIY/wF1XVyrv0oOc4CFXamhNHH+13HzLsWnVpu2lHN2Gkalrp5ro= Message-ID: <2665e0c50606072225p25f7a1a1rb57165aa9f89e7dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:25:30 -0500 From: "Ben M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History In-Reply-To: <000601c68a3f$0e659970$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14507_9197389.1149744330336" References: <00f601c68962$9dddd8c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <000601c68a3f$0e659970$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <-tlo9B.A.KzE.LT7hEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 05:25:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14507_9197389.1149744330336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Seriously, I would have hit it sadly I was just a glimmer in my mother's uterus at the time! ------=_Part_14507_9197389.1149744330336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Seriously, I would have hit it
 
 
 
sadly I was just a glimmer in my mother's uterus at the time!
 
------=_Part_14507_9197389.1149744330336-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 07:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9F733BEB6; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Iu+XjaVgCZM/FkqxxEAEwAXSYMAr1rZicyHpzSCkfdWxUOM3/CKS5hRvcgLVCA9Iuo/RXEeGY6KnGwVj/Xg54cU3FrqzN6AdNSjGa6ttOytu0yNJNMv50RDFPboju4TY+4sSToq32e82FAmq9ka2SZfAuBsNWiTuMrTooWTll4U= ; Message-ID: <20060608071735.68110.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: My impressions of the BOSS RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:17:37 +0000 (UTC) wonderful man i love this kind of reviews simple and to the point! if u would be so kind to do the same with the EH2880 i would be greatful now it has caught my attention! Luis --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > I spent some time this afternoon with a friend's > RC-50. > > LOVE: > > Loops can be independent lengths and run > simultaneously (in the so > called "multi mode".) > > Loops can fade in and fade out when activated. > > Momentary record function is fan-fucking-tastic!! > > 4 outputs.. click could be run independently to a > personal monitor or > drummer if desired. > > Possible stereo operation.. haven't tried it but I > suppose that you > could mute the signal to the left input, add audio > to the right side, > mute the right input and add audio to the left, > effectively giving > you 6 loops of 3 lengths at once.... > > > > > HATE: > > Please feel free to correct any misinformation here! > > No speed/pitch control of loops.. octave, half > speed, NOPE! (it has a > really crude timestretch algo, but it's horrid - not > cool horrid like > the electrix repeater, either) > > No control of feedback for loop... too dense? erase > and start again! > > Yellow / Green LED color too similar on Play / OD > lights, especially > in bright light. > > Must select loop with one pedal and then select stop > / play with > another. I would rather select and cue playback/ > stop with one button. > > Too many menu hunts required for a simple pan > control, reverse mode etc.... > > Silly accompaniment sounds and presets... > > Footswitches are way too imprecise and rubbery. > > USB operation too fussy... requires menu selections > and button > presses to connect and to disconnect from the > computer. > > Changing 'Patches' wipes entire loop if you didn't > 'write' it.. > > No expandable storage all memory is internal. > > > DISCLAIMER: > > I have been using the EH2880 for the past few weeks > and its simple > interface with real knobs, one function per button, > stereo mixdown > track which can be unsynched from the main 4 tracks, > plus instant > reverse (even in record) and -most importantly- the > ability to > varispeed the whole mess with a knob has me a bit > down on the > virtual- menu driven key memorization world that is > everything else. > > If a looper is an instrument, shouldn't it have an > interface designed like one? > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 07:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F3933BEDA; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vXiAJzwrJ34S6g7Uyo9G/OShNPO1sELTtTSfGLikeK1sXGyJguWbCIpk7ElL66EwG8sK0zPR5nv/XASDDE/rZQb8F153IFFUnfFmVuB+lsuawnVZo1gGc7FeAwDbJtx/G+pXyEIO9tWNPWFdfUkRGftz2ojGDOpip+2qlXbVknc= ; Message-ID: <20060608074411.22118.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: MySpace Controversy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64946.65.90.188.220.1149690960.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Anybody else wants to share his > experiences? (private > >> mail, if you don't want these figures to appear > in public for > >> some reason...) > >> > >> Rainer Album Sales (mostly from my latin CDs) 550.00dlls Digital distribution 620.00dlls. but non of it comes through myspace all from CD baby,gotta love those guys! Luis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 07:45:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1C0A3BEE7; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAIpsh0SBTIgOLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060608081610.01b1aa40@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:28:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" In-Reply-To: <20060608030925.A429E3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060608030925.A429E3BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:45:49 +0000 (UTC) >....i'm getting a pronounced "hiccup" frequently at the end of the >recording and the begining of the playback of the "phrase". the >wierd thing is that when i listen to the playback over several >repetitions, i don't hear the "hiccup", and for the most part the >phrase sounds ok. > >his suggestions were to "play through" the first beat of the phrase >after you've hit the end of the recording of it....ok, that seems >like a pain. he also seems to think that roland will eventually >issue a software update. >anyone have impressions, opinions on this? It looks like either:- 1) there's some considerable latency when recording a loop 2) Roland are using some sort of detection to determine where the loop point should be. those would both be helped by "playing through" Amazing, so it's not suitable for even making a single loop :-( Wierd that the "hiccup" goes away, if you could provide audio samples then that would be interesting. andy butler ps. just waiting for the post from the guy who can't hear the problem ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 08:31:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEC0D3BEDD; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4487E056.8020401@dadaprod.org> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:31:18 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS RC-50 vs EH2880 References: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.84.233 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.516651/N Resent-Message-ID: <7EG3-.A.jUH.jB-hEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:31:31 +0000 (UTC) > * > * > *DISCLAIMER:* > > I have been using the EH2880 for the past few weeks and its simple > interface with real knobs, one function per button, stereo mixdown > track which can be unsynched from the main 4 tracks, plus instant > reverse (even in record) and -most importantly- the ability to > varispeed the whole mess with a knob has me a bit down on the virtual- > menu driven key memorization world that is everything else. What I dont't get with this looper is the footswitch control! There is no specification on that? stephane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 11:12:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B86AF3BED3; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:12:08 +0200 Message-ID: <20060608111208.101200@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <65367.65.90.188.220.1149696252.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <000a01c68a18$7873eff0$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607114442.306630@gmx.net> <64510.65.90.188.220.1149689859.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <20060607150049.307570@gmx.net> <65367.65.90.188.220.1149696252.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:12:11 +0000 (UTC) > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:04:12 -0500 (CDT) > Von: Joshua Carroll > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Re: AW: laptop audio I/O hardware in your price range? >  > >It would be interesting to see if you can route your main mix to > > FireWire-Out & the monitor mix to standard PC Line-Out. > > I'll have to check when I have time. > > Ha! I was just wondering about that exact thing. Sending a click through > the line out would be perfect. > > Let me know what you figure out! > > --Josh -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 11:49:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E93D3BEDF; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:49:08 +0200 Message-ID: <20060608114908.88460@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5PxUUC.A.qCF.26AiEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks > i've noticed this sometimes too, a singular hiccup at the moment the loop all of this is not very promising... Now I wonder: should I cancel my RC-50 order while I can? Is it really worth giving it a chance? Or can you recommend another (better;-) looper in that price range that has stereo/midi/decent loop length? Best regards Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 13:11:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB67A3BED5; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bc01c68afd$00d13f30$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <20060608114908.88460@gmx.net> Subject: New RC-50 Delema Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 05:11:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: <_n4mZ.A.l3C.pHCiEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:11:05 +0000 (UTC) So, I've been playing with it all night and It's a very powerful unit but there is one thing that I can not figure out how to do and maybe someone could shed some light on this for me: Even when I turn the Guide off, which can be fun but I don't really wanna use live, the Tempo is still active. So when in single mode (Verse, Chorus, Bridge, etc-separate loops each pedal) if I play a something on phrase one then go into another section on loop 2 it's fine but when I go back to loop one, the RC-50 seems to revert back to the original tempo of the patch and it's can't be turned off...So...The damn thing time compresses/expands my original loop to whatever the tempo of the patch happens to be set at...and we all know what it sounds like when that happens...GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE... Either I'm just too burnt and the solution is right in front of my eyes or something, but I can't figure out how to make this stop happening without turning the guide back on and tapping a tempo before I play my loop phrase.... Is there a way that anyone has figured out, how to disable the patch tempo when not playing with the guide, so that my phrases don't revert to that tempo and get all messed up? It seems like there HAS to be and i'm pretty technical but I'm not seeing it.... Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 14:35:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73DFE3BED0; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:35:18 EDT Subject: Re: New RC-50 Delema To: sean@seanmormelo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:35:29 +0000 (UTC) --part1_35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/8/06 7:11:54 AM, sean@seanmormelo.com writes: > So...The damn thing time compresses/expands my > original loop to whatever the tempo of the patch happens to be set at...and > we all know what it sounds like when that happens...GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE. > yes i've found that as well, and i wonder if that contributes to the latency/tracking(?) issues as well.....the need to play through the origianl phrase. frankly i haven't used tempo functions with my looping....maybe i should have, but i haven't looked into it because i haven't felt a need to, but sean's issue seems like it would be something that alot of artists would not want to be dealing with. i think andy might be on to something about roland using something to determine where the loop point should be. i remember it took some time to really nail the rc20 after using a boomerang, and using the berringer midi pedal with the edp....that's been pretty flawless. i'm trying to remember if this whole "action" issue was similar with the rc20 and i just plowed through it. as i've worked with it more i do find i'm a little more adept at "playing through" the phrase in a way that is not too obvious while playing more driving rhythms or motifs.. when doing muted percussive sounds on the strings of a guitar, that's pretty seamless, but where it's driving me to dark thoughts is trying to play fingerpicked chord progressions in slower phrases. it just jumps at you and makes you want to throw it against the wall. (so i have issues with frustration toleance : < ) i should mention also, that there have been some recordings where i can hear, not the hiccup, but a rhythmic glitch that DOES repeat, so in those cases i haven't nailed the phrase, but to me that speaks to the difference in the tracking of these pedals vs. the berringer midi pedal....because i never make mistakes....(he says dripping with facetiousness) as far as buzap's concern about whether to cancel their order...the unit does have some cool features, and it is right off the presses, so it's hard to say. does anyone know of some really in depth reviews from, say, japan that are translated? i guess with all the hype around this unit, it's frustrating to have it be so strong in some ways but a real pain in a really basic way......so far. john --part1_35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/8/06 7:11:54 AM, sean@seanmormelo.com writes:


So...The damn thing t= ime compresses/expands my
original loop to whatever the tempo of the patch happens to be set at...and<= BR> we all know what it sounds like when that happens...GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE.


yes i've found that as well, and i wonder if that contributes to the latency= /tracking(?) issues as well.....the need to play through the origianl phrase= .  frankly i haven't used tempo functions with my looping....maybe i s= hould have, but i haven't looked into it because i haven't felt a need to, b= ut sean's issue seems like it would be something that alot of artists would=20= not want to be dealing with.

i think andy might be on to something about roland using something to determ= ine where the loop point should be.  i remember it took some time to r= eally nail the rc20 after using a boomerang, and using the berringer midi pe= dal with the edp....that's been pretty flawless.  i'm trying to rememb= er if this whole "action" issue was similar with the rc20 and i just plowed=20= through it.

as i've worked with it more i do find i'm a little more adept at "playing th= rough" the phrase in a way that is not too obvious while playing more drivin= g rhythms or motifs.. when doing muted percussive sounds on the strings of a= guitar, that's pretty seamless, but where it's driving me to dark thoughts=20= is trying to play fingerpicked chord progressions in slower phrases.  =20= it just jumps at you and makes you want to throw it against the wall. =20= (so i have issues with frustration toleance : < )

i should mention also, that there have been some recordings where i can hear= , not the hiccup, but a rhythmic glitch that DOES  repeat, so in those= cases i haven't nailed the phrase, but to me that speaks to the difference=20= in the tracking of these pedals vs. the berringer midi pedal....because i never make mistakes....(he says dripping with facetiousness)

as far as buzap's concern about whether to cancel their order...the unit doe= s have some cool features, and it is right off the presses, so it's hard to=20= say.  does anyone know of some really in depth reviews from, say, japa= n that are translated?

i guess with all the hype around this unit, it's frustrating to have it be s= o strong in some ways but a real pain in a really basic way......so far.

john --part1_35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 14:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 561D73BEC7; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--328471715 Cc: Yarnall Jay Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce From: Richard Sales Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:37:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:37:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--328471715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Bay Area loopers: My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and=20 Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of=20 you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend)=20 from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it=20 should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live=20 (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of=20 outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet=20= ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player. I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good=20= vibe etc. I'm going to try to be there. Here's their announce: Celebration of Interdependence Day =A0 The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music, improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities=20 dance with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.=A0 July 7th is Lover=92s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful and strong relationship.=A0 With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and=20= percussion) Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio), Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice), Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com * Go North on 101, past San Francisco =A0* EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY",=A0 which loops onto BRIDGEWAY.=A0 - go 1/2 mile. * Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com= --Apple-Mail-1--328471715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Bay Area loopers: My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player. I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good vibe etc.=20 I'm going to try to be there. Here's their announce: Times New RomanCelebration of Interdependence Day =A0 The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music, improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities dance with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.=A0 July 7th is Lover=92s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful and strong relationship.=A0 With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and percussion) Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio),=20 Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice),=20 Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. Times New = RomanDetailed directions at: 0000,0000,EEEBmaps.yahoo.com & = 0000,0000,EEEBmaps.google.comLucida = Grande=20 Comic Sans = MS* Go North on 101, past San FranciscoLucida = Grande=20 Comic Sans = MS=A0* EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY",=A0Lucida = Grande=20 Comic Sans = MSwhich loops onto BRIDGEWAY.=A0 - go 1/2 mile.Lucida = Grande=20 Comic Sans = MS* Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE = Times New = Roman Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com= --Apple-Mail-1--328471715-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 15:00:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195543BED5; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:02:54 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Bay Area Gig Announce In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016601c68b0c$9eb72930$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CB67Gge4Pc4jiO0LrxVVng)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:00:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_CB67Gge4Pc4jiO0LrxVVng) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Richard, Would you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years ago when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her in ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. Thanks. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Yarnall Jay Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce Bay Area loopers: My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player. I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good vibe etc. I'm going to try to be there. Here's their announce: Celebration of Interdependence Day The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music, improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities dance with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness. July 7th is Lover's Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful and strong relationship. With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and percussion) Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio), Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice), Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com * Go North on 101, past San Francisco * EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY", which loops onto BRIDGEWAY. - go 1/2 mile. * Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Boundary_(ID_CB67Gge4Pc4jiO0LrxVVng) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Hi Richard,
 
Would you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years ago when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her in ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. Thanks.
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: Yarnall Jay
Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce

Bay Area loopers:

My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player.

I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good vibe etc.

I'm going to try to be there.

Here's their announce:

Celebration of Interdependence Day
 
The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music,
improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities dance
with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime
deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.  July 7th
is Lover’s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata
Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful
and strong relationship.  With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and percussion)
Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio),
Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice),
Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),.

Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com

* Go North on 101, past San Francisco
 * EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY", 
which loops onto BRIDGEWAY.  - go 1/2 mile.
* Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right.
WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
--Boundary_(ID_CB67Gge4Pc4jiO0LrxVVng)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 15:06:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E1E03BED6; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4487E056.8020401@dadaprod.org> References: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> <4487E056.8020401@dadaprod.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:06:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 vs EH2880 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1062343266==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:06:54 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1062343266==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >What I dont't get with this looper is the footswitch control! There >is no specification on that? >stephane The 2880 foot controller has 6 buttons: "New Loop" sets up the unit to begin a new loop. It continues to play the old loop until you press the record button. Pressing the new loop button makes three lights flash rapidly on the footcontroller, as a warning. Pressing "New Loop" again cancels it. "Reverse" pretty obvious. Works equally well in record and play. Whan synched to MIDI it has a fantastic ballistic - exactly like a tape machine! "Octave" Drops the loop by one octave... at any tempo. It also halves the tempo of the MIDI clock, I wish it didn't... "Track Select" steps through the 4 available mono tracks, enebling recordon them. In stereo mode it selects one of the 2 pairs. Because it sequentially steps through the tracks, the LED lights when track 1 is selected. "Record" When stopped, pressing this will begin recording at the beginning of the loop, when playing it acts as a punch in / out button "Play" starts and stops the loop. I've modified mine a bit, swapping the position of the 'New Loop" and "Track Select" functions and changing the LED colors (red=record, green=play). The foot controller contains a microcontroller and is powered by the 1/4" mono cable connecting it to the 2880. -CZ -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1062343266==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: BOSS RC-50 vs EH2880
What I dont't get with this looper is the footswitch control! There is no specification on that?
stephane



The 2880 foot controller has 6 buttons:

"New Loop" sets up the unit to begin a new loop. It continues to play the old loop until you press the record button. Pressing the new loop button makes three lights flash rapidly on the footcontroller, as a warning. Pressing "New Loop" again cancels it.

"Reverse" pretty obvious. Works equally well in record and play. Whan synched to MIDI it has a fantastic ballistic - exactly like a tape machine!

"Octave" Drops the loop by one octave... at any tempo. It also halves the tempo of the MIDI clock, I wish it didn't...

"Track Select"  steps through the 4 available mono tracks, enebling recordon them. In stereo mode it selects one of the 2 pairs. Because it sequentially steps through the tracks, the LED lights when track 1 is selected.

"Record" When stopped, pressing this will begin recording at the beginning of the loop, when playing it acts as a punch in / out button

"Play" starts and stops the loop.

I've modified mine a bit, swapping the position of the 'New Loop" and "Track Select" functions and changing the LED colors (red=record, green=play).

The foot controller contains a microcontroller and is powered by the 1/4" mono cable connecting it to the 2880.


-CZ



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--============_-1062343266==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 15:07:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 715373BEF6; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:07:52 +0200 Message-ID: <20060608150752.171120@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6@aol.com> References: <35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6@aol.com> Subject: Re: New RC-50 Delema To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys > So...The damn thing time compresses/expands my > original loop to whatever the tempo of the patch happens to be set > at... Oh boy, this is getting worse... I already hate this thing before I have received it :-( Actually, this has been my main problem with Ableton. So I was looking forward to a unit that would be more flexible with time. Does that mean you have no chance of practically working with this thing if you haven't tapped the proper tempo beforehand? Could you: - set patch tempo to anything - record whatever loop you like - set the patch tempo to the tempo of your loop - without messing up the loop tempo? I guess I'll have to see... Oh boy... so far _ALL_ solutions seem to be compromises... Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 15:13:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8999C3BEF6; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:13:18 +0200 Message-ID: <20060608151318.171050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: References: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> <4487E056.8020401@dadaprod.org> Subject: Re: Re: BOSS RC-50 vs EH2880 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-0IHq.A.7AE.P6DiEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi I've just read the manual of the Electro Harmonix 2880. Compared to RC-50, what I would be missing is I guess the fact that you only have 1 set of loops (one "patch" in RC-50 terms). So you cannot really change from phrase1 to phrase2 (or from patchA to patchB...). Really a little disturbing that on CF card, you can just store 1 (one) project/loop whatever and nothing else. But if this is what you need (especially DJ-like application with tempo shift etc.), this is definetely interesting. Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 15:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38C23BEDF; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00df01c68b0f$bae94d60$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <35f.53cf7a1.31b98fa6@aol.com> <20060608150752.171120@gmx.net> Subject: Re: New RC-50 Delema Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:25:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:25:09 +0000 (UTC) no no man...I figured out what the problem was. Tempo sync has to be off for EACH Phrase..I didn't see that in the menu before...Problem solved...Now it's working like a charm with or without the guide on...This is really a nice unit and very flexible. You will not hate it, I can assure you. Just takes a few days to get into it and understand it. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Re: New RC-50 Delema > Hi guys > > > So...The damn thing time compresses/expands my > > original loop to whatever the tempo of the patch happens to be set > > at... > Oh boy, this is getting worse... I already hate this thing before I have received it :-( > Actually, this has been my main problem with Ableton. So I was looking forward to a unit that would be more flexible with time. > Does that mean you have no chance of practically working with this thing if you haven't tapped the proper tempo beforehand? > Could you: > - set patch tempo to anything > - record whatever loop you like > - set the patch tempo to the tempo of your loop - without messing up the loop tempo? > > I guess I'll have to see... > > Oh boy... so far _ALL_ solutions seem to be compromises... > > Best regards > Buzap > -- > > > "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 15:36:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100A53BEE9; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64452.65.90.188.220.1149781010.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: References: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> <4487E056.8020401@dadaprod.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 vs EH2880 From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Does the foot controller come standard with the 2880, or is it separate? If so, where would I find one? --Josh >>What I dont't get with this looper is the footswitch control! There >>is no specification on that? >>stephane > > > > The 2880 foot controller has 6 buttons: > > "New Loop" sets up the unit to begin a new loop. It continues to play > the old loop until you press the record button. Pressing the new loop > button makes three lights flash rapidly on the footcontroller, as a > warning. Pressing "New Loop" again cancels it. > > "Reverse" pretty obvious. Works equally well in record and play. Whan > synched to MIDI it has a fantastic ballistic - exactly like a tape > machine! > > "Octave" Drops the loop by one octave... at any tempo. It also halves > the tempo of the MIDI clock, I wish it didn't... > > "Track Select" steps through the 4 available mono tracks, enebling > recordon them. In stereo mode it selects one of the 2 pairs. Because > it sequentially steps through the tracks, the LED lights when track 1 > is selected. > > "Record" When stopped, pressing this will begin recording at the > beginning of the loop, when playing it acts as a punch in / out button > > "Play" starts and stops the loop. > > I've modified mine a bit, swapping the position of the 'New Loop" and > "Track Select" functions and changing the LED colors (red=record, > green=play). > > The foot controller contains a microcontroller and is powered by the > 1/4" mono cable connecting it to the 2880. > > > -CZ > > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 16:07:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9E433BEE6; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <016601c68b0c$9eb72930$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <016601c68b0c$9eb72930$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--323051886 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Bay Area Gig Announce Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:07:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6gAtX.A.slH.AtEiEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:07:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--323051886 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed I sure will, Warren. I went to your site the other day and enjoyed=20 your music! Tut ta dah! If you're nearby, come on to the show. I'd love to meet you richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Jun-06, at 8:02 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi Richard, > =A0 > Would you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years ago=20= > when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her in=20 > ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. Thanks. > =A0 > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Cc: Yarnall Jay >> Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce >> >> Bay Area loopers: >> >> My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and=20= >> Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of=20= >> you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend)=20= >> from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it=20 >> should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live=20= >> (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of=20 >> outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet=20= >> ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player. >> >> I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia,=20 >> good vibe etc. >> >> I'm going to try to be there. >> >> Here's their announce: >> >> Celebration of Interdependence Day >> =A0 >> The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western=20 >> music, >> improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities=20= >> dance >> with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime >> deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.=A0 July = 7th >> is Lover=92s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess = Kamuhata >> Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful >> and strong relationship.=A0 With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice = and=20 >> percussion) >> Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio), >> Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice), >> Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. >> >> Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com >> >> * Go North on 101, past San Francisco >> =A0* EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY",=A0 >> which loops onto BRIDGEWAY.=A0 - go 1/2 mile. >> * Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. >> WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com= --Apple-Mail-3--323051886 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I sure will, Warren. I went to your site the other day and enjoyed your music! Tut ta dah! If you're nearby, come on to the show. I'd love to meet you Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Jun-06, at 8:02 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: = Arial0000,0000,FFFFHi Richard, =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFWould you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years ago when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her in ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. = Thanks. =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFBest wishes, = Arial0000,0000,FFFFWarren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Yarnall Jay Subject: Bay Area Gig = Announce Bay Area loopers: My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player. I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good vibe etc.=20 I'm going to try to be there. Here's their announce: Celebration of Interdependence Day =A0 The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music, improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities dance with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, = sometime deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.=A0 July 7th is Lover=92s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful and strong relationship.=A0 With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and percussion) Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio), = Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice), Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com * Go North on 101, past San Francisco=20 =A0* EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY",=A0=20 which loops onto BRIDGEWAY.=A0 - go 1/2 mile.=20 * Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com= --Apple-Mail-3--323051886-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 16:54:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AED13BEDE; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X7+reA7Q5x1h/uQp6xk0nLH0cwgwoeuxLW4BiqmSjQtO25bWlooSQ0SHkfzk2aGkW2Loyr7unq/KdQZGvyKoOX+M36hK/OkPjMWivy3evqUMEYGTg3iMbE7aRGFYdpcvm/zX0JJ7E0NbKpOIuSe1w47kTtxDigpP9ENvuiDABig= ; Message-ID: <20060608165424.54906.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 vs EH2880 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64452.65.90.188.220.1149781010.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Is it true that once you go to a new loop there's no way to get back to your old loop o the EH2880? --- Joshua Carroll wrote: > Does the foot controller come standard with the > 2880, or is it separate? > If so, where would I find one? > > --Josh > > > > >>What I dont't get with this looper is the > footswitch control! There > >>is no specification on that? > >>stephane > > > > > > > > The 2880 foot controller has 6 buttons: > > > > "New Loop" sets up the unit to begin a new loop. > It continues to play > > the old loop until you press the record button. > Pressing the new loop > > button makes three lights flash rapidly on the > footcontroller, as a > > warning. Pressing "New Loop" again cancels it. > > > > "Reverse" pretty obvious. Works equally well in > record and play. Whan > > synched to MIDI it has a fantastic ballistic - > exactly like a tape > > machine! > > > > "Octave" Drops the loop by one octave... at any > tempo. It also halves > > the tempo of the MIDI clock, I wish it didn't... > > > > "Track Select" steps through the 4 available mono > tracks, enebling > > recordon them. In stereo mode it selects one of > the 2 pairs. Because > > it sequentially steps through the tracks, the LED > lights when track 1 > > is selected. > > > > "Record" When stopped, pressing this will begin > recording at the > > beginning of the loop, when playing it acts as a > punch in / out button > > > > "Play" starts and stops the loop. > > > > I've modified mine a bit, swapping the position of > the 'New Loop" and > > "Track Select" functions and changing the LED > colors (red=record, > > green=play). > > > > The foot controller contains a microcontroller and > is powered by the > > 1/4" mono cable connecting it to the 2880. > > > > > > -CZ > > > > > > > > -- > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 17:31:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2CD3BEB3; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: <415.2ede14e.31b8c937@aol.com> <008501c68a9f$87948ad0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0089AF86-95F7-458D-9D75-29E2FE43B1E8@sonic.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Landman Subject: EH2880 review request, was: My impressions of the BOSS RC-50 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:31:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Charles- when you have the time, how about a review of the EH2880? I remember Kim mentioned the per track feedback was tied to per track mixing levels, or something unusual like that, how does the 2880 measure up? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 17:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ED263BEB0; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:51:02 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Bay Area Gig Announce In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004901c68b24$1bbc0bf0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BIM/dvZ2jBkq1kKDLNkQfg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4Tyt_C.A.8NE.XMGiEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:49:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_BIM/dvZ2jBkq1kKDLNkQfg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks, Richard! Unfortunately, I live 3000 miles away, so I won't be able to make it to the show.... Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bay Area Gig Announce I sure will, Warren. I went to your site the other day and enjoyed your music! Tut ta dah! If you're nearby, come on to the show. I'd love to meet you richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Jun-06, at 8:02 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: Hi Richard, Would you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years ago when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her in ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. Thanks. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Yarnall Jay Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce Bay Area loopers: My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player. I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good vibe etc. I'm going to try to be there. Here's their announce: Celebration of Interdependence Day The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music, improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities dance with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness. July 7th is Lover's Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful and strong relationship. With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and percussion) Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio), Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice), Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com * Go North on 101, past San Francisco * EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY", which loops onto BRIDGEWAY. - go 1/2 mile. * Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Boundary_(ID_BIM/dvZ2jBkq1kKDLNkQfg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Thanks, Richard! Unfortunately, I live 3000 miles away, so I won't be able to make it to the show....
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:07 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Bay Area Gig Announce

I sure will, Warren. I went to your site the other day and enjoyed your music! Tut ta dah!

If you're nearby, come on to the show. I'd love to meet you

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 8-Jun-06, at 8:02 AM, Warren Sirota wrote:

Hi Richard,
 
Would you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years ago when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her in ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. Thanks.
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: Yarnall Jay
Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce

Bay Area loopers:

My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player.

I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good vibe etc.

I'm going to try to be there.

Here's their announce:

Celebration of Interdependence Day
 
The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music,
improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities dance
with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime
deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.  July 7th
is Lover’s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata
Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful
and strong relationship.  With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and percussion)
Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio),
Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice),
Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),.

Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com

* Go North on 101, past San Francisco
 * EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY", 
which loops onto BRIDGEWAY.  - go 1/2 mile.
* Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right.
WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
--Boundary_(ID_BIM/dvZ2jBkq1kKDLNkQfg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 17:57:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C97C3BEC7; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CADPWh0SBTIgPLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060608155344.01b36250@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:58:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: New RC-50 Delema In-Reply-To: <20060608143705.ACC9C3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060608143705.ACC9C3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:57:59 +0000 (UTC) >...the unit does have some cool features, and it is right off the >presses, so it's hard to say. does anyone know of some really in >depth reviews from, say, japan that are translated? Right now I'd guess we have the world's leading experts on RC-50 here on LD :-) ( i.e. loopers who own one) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 17:59:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BC753BECC; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Wh90NN+MSyWBNUitmeW5QSH6atP8F3Eip18KNyc3ForhAZC+u69ah+kxfPwtnT9wf4U3/1R30BFWntMkX82itfuxnLrz4pg+CyHtTB0AZE21oQVcarQFAvnxpv2E0ychSNLGgy7Cih3EJRqEqj7Eik/sI4u1rlY26ueHIkzRHkY= ; Message-ID: <20060608175924.12581.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060606145510.315660@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Judging by what people are saying about the RC-50, it seems to me that the Repeater blows it away if you're interested in nicely midi synced loops. Repeater doesn't have USB, but it does have a CFC card so you can transfer your loops... I find I rarely do that anyway. Easier to record them into the computer as it's my clock source anyway. That way as my loop changes in a <100% feedback (what? OH RIGHT THE RC-50 can't do that!) I have early and late versions of the loop recorded. Who cares about 49 minutes of loop time? Silly. Repeater with a 256 meg card is PLENTY. If you need more get yourself a computer. Also, 99 4 track loops. Easy to go from one to another. Mark --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Guys > > how would you compare the advantages of RC-50 versus > Electrix Repeater? > > RC-50: > - more memory (49 minutes mono) > - 7 pedals "included" > - USB connection > - Shifting between patches (1 patch = 3 phrases = 3 > loops) possible > - ... > > Repeater: > - better Tempo Sync? > - 4 Loops in parallel > - ... > > best regards > Buzap > > -- > > > Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! > "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 18:01:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 572603BECD; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <004901c68b24$1bbc0bf0$0302a8c0@Lightning> References: <004901c68b24$1bbc0bf0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--316234696 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Bay Area Gig Announce Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:00:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:01:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--316234696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hi Warren Lisa said this: Hi Richard, =A0 Yes=A0I do remember Warren--a wonderful spirit.=A0 How do you know him? I take it that he still lives in the Bay Area.=A0=A0I will email him.=A0 = I=20 always enjoyed his goodnatured and humorous approach to life. I gave her your email address. Here's hers: lisamoskow@rocketmail.com 3000 miles away? I used to live somewhere around there! Washington DC=20= area. The bullseye. A very wonderful place to be in the sixties. I=20 got to be onstage with everyone from Abbie Hoffmann to Senator=20 Fulbright. Played at The Watergate. Eeee yi yi! I'm now on Vancouver Island, off the west coast of Canada. But I think=20= I'm flying down for the gig before I hit the road touring with my=20 daughter - www.hayleysales.com Keep bending that string! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Jun-06, at 10:51 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Thanks, Richard! Unfortunately, I live 3000 miles away, so I won't be=20= > able to make it to the show.... > =A0 > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:07 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Bay Area Gig Announce >> >> I sure will, Warren. I went to your site the other day and enjoyed=20 >> your music! Tut ta dah! >> >> If you're nearby, come on to the show. I'd love to meet you >> >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 8-Jun-06, at 8:02 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: >> >>> Hi Richard, >>> =A0 >>> Would you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years=20= >>> ago when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her=20= >>> in ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. Thanks. >>> =A0 >>> Best wishes, >>> Warren Sirota >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Cc: Yarnall Jay >>>> Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce >>>> >>>> Bay Area loopers: >>>> >>>> My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy=20 >>>> and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know=20 >>>> some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another=20 >>>> good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in=20= >>>> the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds=20 >>>> mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On=20 >>>> Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a=20= >>>> voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a=20 >>>> wonderful cellist/bass player. >>>> >>>> I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia,=20= >>>> good vibe etc. >>>> >>>> I'm going to try to be there. >>>> >>>> Here's their announce: >>>> >>>> Celebration of Interdependence Day >>>> =A0 >>>> The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western=20= >>>> music, >>>> improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities=20= >>>> dance >>>> with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, sometime >>>> deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.=A0 July = 7th >>>> is Lover=92s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess=20 >>>> Kamuhata >>>> Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a=20 >>>> beautiful >>>> and strong relationship.=A0 With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice=20= >>>> and percussion) >>>> Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio), >>>> Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice), >>>> Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. >>>> >>>> Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com >>>> >>>> * Go North on 101, past San Francisco >>>> =A0* EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY",=A0 >>>> which loops onto BRIDGEWAY.=A0 - go 1/2 mile. >>>> * Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. >>>> WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE >>>> >>>> richard sales >>>> glassWing farm and studio >>>> vancouver island, b.c. >>>> 800.545.6846 >>>> 250.752.4816 >>>> www.glassWing.com >>>> www.richardsales.com >>>> www.hayleysales.com >>>> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com= --Apple-Mail-6--316234696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi Warren Lisa said this: Hi Richard, =A0 Yes=A0I do remember Warren--a wonderful spirit.=A0 How do you know him? I take it that he still lives in the Bay Area.=A0=A0I will email him.=A0 = I always enjoyed his goodnatured and humorous approach to life. I gave her your email address. Here's hers: lisamoskow@rocketmail.com 3000 miles away? I used to live somewhere around there! Washington DC area. The bullseye. A very wonderful place to be in the sixties. I got to be onstage with everyone from Abbie Hoffmann to Senator Fulbright. Played at The Watergate. Eeee yi yi! I'm now on Vancouver Island, off the west coast of Canada. But I think I'm flying down for the gig before I hit the road touring with my daughter - www.hayleysales.com Keep bending that string! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Jun-06, at 10:51 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: = Arial0000,0000,FFFFThanks, Richard! Unfortunately, I live 3000 miles away, so I won't be able to make it to the show.... =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFBest wishes, = Arial0000,0000,FFFFWarren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bay Area Gig Announce I sure will, Warren. I went to your site the other day and enjoyed your music! Tut ta dah! If you're nearby, come on to the show. I'd love to meet you richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Jun-06, at 8:02 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: Hi Richard, =A0 Would you say hi to Lisa for me? I used to know her about 25 years ago when I played in the Electric Guitar Quartet, haven't seen her in ages. She's a lovely woman and musician. Thanks. =A0 Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Yarnall Jay Subject: Bay Area Gig Announce Bay Area loopers: My very good friend Jay Yarnall, who I've co-produced Wavy Gravy and Bhagavan Das with, is performing in Sausalito 7 July. I know some of you know of Lisa Sangita Moscow, sarod player, (another good friend) from her work with Robert RIch. Anyhow, if you're in the area, it should be a good show with Arkaos multi video feeds mixed with live (run by Dan Ryman, digital wizard of Wire On Fire)... and lots of outside and/or deep music. Theresa Bell has a voice not to miss (yet ANOTHER good friend!), Ken Becker is a wonderful cellist/bass player. I've heard it's a wonderful place to play - setup for multimedia, good vibe etc. I'm going to try to be there. Here's their announce: Celebration of Interdependence Day =A0 The interplay between musical and visual art, Eastern and Western music, improvisation and structure, and primitive and urbane sensibilities dance with and around one another in this sometime wild romp, = sometime deeply meditational journey into our higher consciousness.=A0 July 7th is Lover=92s Day in China, and in Japan, the day of the goddess Kamuhata Hime, she who weaves devotion and love into a tapestry of a beautiful and strong relationship.=A0 With Lisa Sangita Moskow (sarod, voice and percussion) Jay Yarnall, primitive electronic artist(visual and audio), Ken Becker ( cello and soundscape), Taressa Bell(voice), Daniel Ryman (live visual choreography),. Detailed directions at: maps.yahoo.com & maps.google.com * Go North on 101, past San Francisco =A0* EXIT at "SAUSALITO/MARIN CITY",=A0 which loops onto BRIDGEWAY.=A0 - go 1/2 mile. * Turn LEFT onto COLOMA ST. 411A Coloma is on the right. WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com= --Apple-Mail-6--316234696-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 18:40:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EC943BED5; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Repeater spotted in performance; also plucking cellist Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:39:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060608175924.12581.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-index: AcaLJU2uQnVOFC6HSu6I6Plc8PEJtQABN+5w Message-Id: <20060608184000.OSJP6235.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi all-- Went to see Tom Griesgraber last night, and he used the Repeater in his final number--no problems, and boy does he sound good. http://www.thossounds.com/ He was opening for a plucking cellist (!) named Lindsay Mack, young girl who sings and wears her cello like a guitar. Unique, or least different. http://www.lindsaymac.com/ She ought to try looping, but I didn't stick around to chat. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 19:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E1B63BED5; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <362.54846fd.31b9da0c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:52:44 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 impressions/pedal "action" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_362.54846fd.31b9da0c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:52:55 +0000 (UTC) --part1_362.54846fd.31b9da0c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so in continuing to investigate this timming issue, i contacted sweetwater which is where i got the rc-50. their tech support person also contacted roland and was told again that they are aware of this, that they've had tech meetings about it, and for now "that's the way it is," that there's no way around having to play through the phrase. a couple of questions - does anyone remember this issue with the rc-20 or rc-20xl? from past experience, how quickly might a company the size of roland come out with a software upgrade? there is a return policy, and i'm just wondering whether to return it until i know that they have addressed it or hold onto it figuring that it's going to be a big enough issue that roland will fix it. john --part1_362.54846fd.31b9da0c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so in continuing to investigate this ti= mming issue, i contacted sweetwater which is where i got the rc-50.  t= heir tech support person also contacted roland and was told again that they=20= are aware of this, that they've had tech meetings about it, and for now "tha= t's the way it is," that there's no way around having to play through the ph= rase. 

a couple of questions -

does anyone remember this issue with the rc-20 or rc-20xl?

from past experience, how quickly might a company the size of roland come ou= t with a software upgrade?  there is a return policy, and i'm just won= dering whether to return it until i know that they have addressed it or hold= onto it figuring that it's going to be a big enough issue that roland will=20= fix it.

john --part1_362.54846fd.31b9da0c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 8 23:28:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBD6D3BED8; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <9C483DE3-0F95-494C-A290-FC60DE0C38CD@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--296612358 From: Zoe Keating Subject: Toronto looped cello gig spam...! Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:27:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Server-Quench: 6e2e3e26-f746-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtda1U0Glt1 UkhJREJSFA9qCRYB BFAcVgdwcwFYenpw e0RnWm9ZWUZ/akYz GUtcaw4HJzBgaWcb UUFo X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:28:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--296612358 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hiya, I'm playing a NXNE show at the ArtBar in Toronto tomorrow. 9pm sharp (1 cello + 2 repeaters + 1 looperlative) Thank you!! x, zoe ArtBar is in the Gladstone Hotel 1214 Queen Street West Toronto, Ontario, Canada M6J 1J6 P: 416.531.4635 --Apple-Mail-5--296612358 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hiya,
I'm playing a = NXNE show at the ArtBar in Toronto tomorrow.=A0
9pm = sharp

(1 = cello + 2 repeaters + 1 looperlative)

Thank you!! x, = zoe

ArtBar is = in the Gladstone Hotel
1214 Queen Street West Toronto, Ontario, = Canada M6J 1J6
P: 416.531.4635=A0
= --Apple-Mail-5--296612358-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 02:26:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26C663BEAF; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 02:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060608222415.01cb8800@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:26:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Toronto looped cello gig spam...! In-Reply-To: <9C483DE3-0F95-494C-A290-FC60DE0C38CD@zoekeating.com> References: <9C483DE3-0F95-494C-A290-FC60DE0C38CD@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2E0C7773 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 02:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey Zoe, Just a small question? They have you listed as playing on Sat. the 10th, are you going to be there on the 9th instead, I'd love to see you perform, but can't make it down to Toronto twice.... Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 07:27 PM 6/8/2006, you wrote: >Hiya, >I'm playing a NXNE show at the ArtBar in Toronto tomorrow. >9pm sharp > >(1 cello + 2 repeaters + 1 looperlative) > >Thank you!! x, zoe > >ArtBar is in the Gladstone Hotel >1214 Queen Street West Toronto, Ontario, Canada M6J 1J6 >P: 416.531.4635 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 04:27:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9962D3BEB9; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [71.146.146.0] From: "Adrian West" To: Cc: , Subject: Transition between phrases on RC-50 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060608165424.54906.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:27:43 +0000 (UTC) I have a question for RC-50 users: Let's say you've laid down several phrases in series. When you want to transition from phrase 1 to phrase 2 can you cue it up so it makes the transition smoothly when phrase 1 ends, or do you have to hit the phrase 2 pedal at just the right moment? I'm thinking of non-midi, non-quantized situations where I'm on my own in terms of maintaining a steady tempo, which is how I like to play. Thanks. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 07:01:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75D633BEC7; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZAw5k5+tJ9RsMceWu4PCrqc+dj7rOwYltg6vSSAVeDpTY4+QA9/GCEA6Gwl9FQ5ZlOOPMbXudf+BGf6mBAbcQg71ZpXSN8Lx5WlKvBpyZVBgu9CgA2hXpmUS4J9XsD8Ll03jpYJgH4icHgWH1supabsi96emOP6gwqKBXlPvLGs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 00:01:29 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boysen Wagner Duo podcast published In-Reply-To: <02bd01c68a32$ac9ac5a0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000401c68910$3ba10c10$0302a8c0@Lightning> <753A4822-212D-44AB-AF55-35714A5226E5@gmail.com> <02bd01c68a32$ac9ac5a0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Enjoyed it a lot Per! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 07:42:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC8B13BEB0; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c68b98$4a7a59a0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: Subject: Re: Transition between phrases on RC-50 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:42:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Yes you can set the phrases to change at loop end so that if loop 1 is going, you can press loop 2 and it will blink, then change and transition perfectly into loop 2. I have most of my stuff set up that way right now. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian West" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Transition between phrases on RC-50 > I have a question for RC-50 users: > > Let's say you've laid down several phrases in series. When you want to > transition from phrase 1 to phrase 2 can you cue it up so it makes the > transition smoothly when phrase 1 ends, or do you have to hit the phrase 2 > pedal at just the right moment? I'm thinking of non-midi, non-quantized > situations where I'm on my own in terms of maintaining a steady tempo, which > is how I like to play. > > Thanks. > > Adrian West > www.adrianwest.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 11:55:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B303BEB6; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004501c68bbb$a447ec40$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <9C483DE3-0F95-494C-A290-FC60DE0C38CD@zoekeating.com> Subject: Sigh... USB-MIDI Interfaces Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:55:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Of course the one thing I left out of my Great New Machine was a USB-MIDI Interface, having assumed that there'd be the good old joystick-MIDI socket on the new motherboard (which has 24-bit SBLive 7.1 onboard), but no! I did a search for "USB MIDI" on LD's digest but it brought forth too many posts to check for verity. So here I am! I've seen the standardly-overpriced M-audio / Avid interface and had to laugh at the price tag - and decided to come check here. If I'm going to spend £45 (funny how that works, it's $45 in the US, the equivalent of $82 after the criminal artificial Ripoff Britain Squad has had at it) I'm going to entertain a firewire interface. Comments about lag time/latency in USB MIDI interfaces are as usual welcome, if not also schematics in the absence of other-than-Avid products.. Thanks in advance! Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 12:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66F343BED0; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cTgxXrZXeZM49c7i6LdJqNgV6ZdDO0Ig2VFHVNAXL0ObInj+ZvF5O6juVAjTvvPgHact0LSkvtu4dc0hB7aDGVEZHNgdokoP2zufxPdsc2jIvcat563v/vljave0Z4hbn/oDtFGlG4gG6vuS4jh+BRuiMjNQAi/d+6TxP5wGhVk= In-Reply-To: <004501c68bbb$a447ec40$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <9C483DE3-0F95-494C-A290-FC60DE0C38CD@zoekeating.com> <004501c68bbb$a447ec40$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F13D269-69E1-4CF8-B54B-CC0B24D4D993@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Sigh... USB-MIDI Interfaces Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:16:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:16:08 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jun 2006, at 13.55, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Of course the one thing I left out of my Great New Machine was a > USB-MIDI Interface, having assumed that there'd be the good old > joystick-MIDI socket on the new motherboard (which has 24-bit > SBLive 7.1 onboard), but no! > > I did a search for "USB MIDI" on LD's digest but it brought forth > too many posts to check for verity. So here I am! I use this: http://www.audiotrak.net/xpmidi.htm It is dirt cheap and extremely portable. I'm on my second MIDI Mate now because a musician friend became so impressed with the little thing that I couldn't resist giving it to him ;-) I use them with both Windows XP and OSX pc's to connect external midi gear. No drivers needed, pop it in and use it. > Comments about lag time/latency in USB MIDI interfaces are as usual > welcome, if not also schematics in the absence of other-than-Avid > products.. Thanks in advance! You can neglect latency in MIDI, it almost doesn't exist. Maybe this is what you've heard: Timing data can be screwed up if you play a MIDI instrument from a MIDI keyboard when you do very big chords with exactly the same timing of all notes (not a "guitar/harp-like" chord strum). This has nothing with computers to do but happens because MIDI is a serial protocol and as such it can only send all those MIDI note-on events in a row. So the first note to arrive to the sampler/synth will play back first, no matter you actually hit all keys simultaneously on the keyboard. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 12:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 969B53BED8; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060609122823110.1AD551C0022E@mwinf0512.orange.fr Message-ID: <44896965.4060908@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:28:21 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History References: <00f601c68962$9dddd8c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <8A3F8EB2-EA6D-4B54-829D-8A9C7C4901CB@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <8A3F8EB2-EA6D-4B54-829D-8A9C7C4901CB@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating wrote: > WHOA! GREAT photo Rick. But that's not embarassing! You look hot! don't shout out that too loud, beware if the men around you start to dress like that... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 13:07:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7FC73BED9; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QRGg0+JaznMy3Lu4I707UWkpK9MUZKyajJgLNEosYnZPzDyo2+V39v5CRBi9dHOxsjvoGaSNnEfvDEbtbF1EbqIADaaok9mxRq96r6D/qc688cxIO0DaOSDVkNWhXWgx96VvnPTo5ohi5ylMuDcGQJm9cbp/O3YRPzTjzqghBkw= ; Message-ID: <20060609130741.63805.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David Nadal Subject: RC-50 woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-35150387-1149858461=:63048" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:07:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-35150387-1149858461=:63048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I can't get my RC-50 to record the moment I press record. Is it true that I always need to be thinking in terms of the guide tempo? Recording always defaults to the beginning of the guide tempo cycle. Am I missing something? Is there a way to override this? Please help before I return this thing and go back to my DL4 and my EDP. Thanks! David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-35150387-1149858461=:63048 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello,
I can't get my RC-50 to record the moment I press record. Is it true that I always need to be thinking in terms of the guide tempo? Recording always defaults to the beginning of the guide tempo cycle. Am I missing something? Is there a way to override this?
Please help before I return this thing and go back to my DL4 and my EDP.
Thanks!
David

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-35150387-1149858461=:63048-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 13:20:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CA593BED5; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WX1Z+0z0OIyjGSg4Sn7yXDyGTRXfv0du8FfCeAI+lgpTl+EZrQwLDz9bf4MNNPioCwz+dcH/ISxBh2LShl8kJ02z5WNuFWMUvDX6nwTlNyjDrtWHryDdD6iRbdZB89ctf0EcsiXG+SD7f4HBVUd5VCZEQ/adDUw8jwRbUBieaB0= Message-ID: <613c528b0606090620m26d8dc1cl722248c82d709f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:20:17 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 woes In-Reply-To: <20060609130741.63805.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060609130741.63805.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:20:29 +0000 (UTC) You need to change the phrase record setting (or whatever it's called, I forget, don't have the thing in front of me) from "LOOP END" to "IMMEDIATE". At least, I think those were the terms. You get the idea. :) Alex On 6/9/06, David Nadal wrote: > > Hello, > I can't get my RC-50 to record the moment I press record. Is it true that I > always need to be thinking in terms of the guide tempo? Recording always > defaults to the beginning of the guide tempo cycle. Am I missing something? > Is there a way to override this? > Please help before I return this thing and go back to my DL4 and my EDP. > Thanks! > > David > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 13:33:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD343BEDE; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:33:23 +0200 Message-ID: <20060609133323.185710@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20060608175924.12581.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060608175924.12581.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark & all Overall, I'd really be interested to know if everybody shares the opinion that the Repeater is really superior to the RC-50 in all aspects (except maybe loop length)? what I want to do is - among others - the following: I want to start playing some polyrhythmic stuff (say 13/8) and loop it - without thinking about meter & tapping. Then, I want to overdub _and_ record parallel loops in perfect sync. For the second loop, I don't mind setting parameters manually to that of the first (if tempo sync sounds garbled like with the RC-50) - does that work with the RC-50? Another thing I want to do: After I've recorded several parallel loops, say Part A, I want to record another part, maybe in another meter/tempo. Again, I don't mind that the RC-50 stops when writing Phrase to memory (I will resample all and play it on another looper then). Important is, once I have the various Phrases set (say Part A-B-C), I'm able to switch between them on the fly to improvise on them - does the Electrix Repeater do that? > Repeater with a 256 meg card is PLENTY. If you need > more get yourself a computer. I do have computer with Firewire card and btw also a multitracker with 64GB hard-disk. Still, especially for jazz music with lengthy progressions, I'd like to be able to have loops of several minutes length. 256MB sounds ok, but I thought the Repeater had only 8MB internal memory, can you use the full CF card for live playing? So, is the Repeater really overall superior to RC-50 in all aspects? What do you think? Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 13:34:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 471DF3BEDA; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20060608222415.01cb8800@mail.wightman.ca> References: <9C483DE3-0F95-494C-A290-FC60DE0C38CD@zoekeating.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060608222415.01cb8800@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <023CDBE8-DB01-44A6-98DE-0D51A3E8E94F@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Toronto looped cello gig spam...! Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:34:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Server-Quench: aea2207a-f7bc-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtda1U0Glt1 UkhJREJTEA9rBRYC B1AcVgdwcwFYenpw e0RnWm9ZWUZ/akYz GUtdYQRjYgZgbGQX V0MWdgBVdk0bK05H aFB4BW5bZjdUe3th EwZ2NW9uZXAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dJDNu DywFBzIpAUpNQyI0 NxEqYlURGEIWekoz PhM6QVsddVlUQ0U2 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.55/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:34:33 +0000 (UTC) oops. my mistake. it was already tomorrow in my mind when i wrote that ...yes saturday, june 10th! On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:26 PM, paul wrote: > Hey Zoe, > > Just a small question? They have you listed as playing on Sat. the > 10th, are you going to be there on the 9th instead, I'd love to see > you perform, but can't make it down to Toronto twice.... > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > At 07:27 PM 6/8/2006, you wrote: > >> Hiya, >> I'm playing a NXNE show at the ArtBar in Toronto tomorrow. >> 9pm sharp >> >> (1 cello + 2 repeaters + 1 looperlative) >> >> Thank you!! x, zoe >> >> ArtBar is in the Gladstone Hotel >> 1214 Queen Street West Toronto, Ontario, Canada M6J 1J6 >> P: 416.531.4635 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 13:55:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC2C33BEEA; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060609095422.01caf4c0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:54:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Toronto looped cello gig spam...! In-Reply-To: <023CDBE8-DB01-44A6-98DE-0D51A3E8E94F@zoekeating.com> References: <9C483DE3-0F95-494C-A290-FC60DE0C38CD@zoekeating.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060608222415.01cb8800@mail.wightman.ca> <023CDBE8-DB01-44A6-98DE-0D51A3E8E94F@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7E593007 Resent-Message-ID: <2cQNqD.A.DED.22XiEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Fantastic, Looking forward to seeing you Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 15:47:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE2893BEDF; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F8xIFbQBWz8TLzBanQh0YM7A4Qm4IiMPN9Irz6ukFBcUyE591gC/QMaeqKXKBOVc; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:Thread-Index:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Reply-To: From: "Tom Heasley" To: , "Drone_Deep_Chill@Yahoogroups. Com" , "The_Ambient_Way@Yahoogroups" , "Loopers-Delight" Subject: June 10 in Los Angeles Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:47:06 -0700 Message-ID: <036201c68bdb$f6290560$0a00a8c0@tom83571930146> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0363_01C68BA1.49CA2D60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaL2/VQDqmeNP72Sf+LWiCaBJdoTA== X-ELNK-Trace: a45d7fbcd5996e0dec0773e6e8d709339ef193a6bfc3dd4878f34321a28f975fe0644d9b58395ba2a26b888b88ba812a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.127.104.147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:47:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0363_01C68BA1.49CA2D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One more time, minus the picture! And, by the way, this is a private residence - BYOB! Tom Heasley in concert Ambient Tuba (and didjeridu) The Folly Bowl 8 PM Saturday, June 10, 2006 1601 E. Loma Alta Drive Altadena, CA 91001 626.398.9939 Donation $12, $10 students Directions from 110 fwy. Go to end and proceed up Arroyo. Turn right on Green St., left on Lake, right on Altadena, left on Porter. Porter dead ends on Loma Alta at the Folly Bowl. TOM HEASLEY 323-481-1366 tom@tomheasley.com www.tomheasley.com ------=_NextPart_000_0363_01C68BA1.49CA2D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One more time, minus the picture!  And, by the = way, this is a private residence – BYOB!

 

Tom Heasley in concert

 

Ambient Tuba (and = didjeridu)

 

The Folly Bowl

 

8 PM Saturday, June 10, = 2006

 

1601 = E. Loma Alta Drive

Altadena, CA  91001

626.398.9939

 

Donation $12, $10 = students

 

Directions from 110 fwy.  Go to end and proceed = up Arroyo.  Turn right on Green = St., left on Lake, right on Altadena, left = on Porter.  Porter dead ends on Loma Alta at the Folly = Bowl.

 

 

TOM HEASLEY

  323-481-1366

   tom@tomheasley.com

   www.tomheasley.com

 

------=_NextPart_000_0363_01C68BA1.49CA2D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 16:12:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4793E3BEE4; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vsThsJa7USwzCJ9gPi/JXVCidOyGbhSvqcsusKlKGxOCQZGrT2NHmz51JFIy7IplZ7CbHWa4GKISBQ1kfcCgP9WhW8FWY9JcA3BtMd7g2C6FuHf+tVH73ux9lylMZShRoasG+AngziB1RWnthw4O4g6WmY/xEx5n1/vBfvNSYaU= ; Message-ID: <20060609161218.56317.qmail@web53411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Nadal Subject: Re: RC-50 woes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <613c528b0606090620m26d8dc1cl722248c82d709f1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-576284252-1149869538=:46018" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:12:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-576284252-1149869538=:46018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Alex. It was the Fade In setting that was the issue. Thanks for setting me in the right direction! All the best, David Alex Law wrote: You need to change the phrase record setting (or whatever it's called, I forget, don't have the thing in front of me) from "LOOP END" to "IMMEDIATE". At least, I think those were the terms. You get the idea. :) Alex On 6/9/06, David Nadal wrote: > > Hello, > I can't get my RC-50 to record the moment I press record. Is it true that I > always need to be thinking in terms of the guide tempo? Recording always > defaults to the beginning of the guide tempo cycle. Am I missing something? > Is there a way to override this? > Please help before I return this thing and go back to my DL4 and my EDP. > Thanks! > > David > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-576284252-1149869538=:46018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks Alex. It was the Fade In setting that was the issue. Thanks for setting me in the right direction!
All the best,
David


Alex Law <alexander.law@gmail.com> wrote:
You need to change the phrase record setting (or whatever it's called,
I forget, don't have the thing in front of me) from "LOOP END" to
"IMMEDIATE". At least, I think those were the terms. You get the idea.
:)

Alex

On 6/9/06, David Nadal wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I can't get my RC-50 to record the moment I press record. Is it true that I
> always need to be thinking in terms of the guide tempo? Recording always
> defaults to the beginning of the guide tempo cycle. Am I missing something?
> Is there a way to override this?
> Please help before I return this thing and go back to my DL4 and my EDP.
> Thanks!
>
> David
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com


__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com --0-576284252-1149869538=:46018-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 16:36:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019BD3BEDD; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c68be2$d00e36a0$adb85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060609161218.56317.qmail@web53411.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 - Repeater comparisons... Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:36:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Remember... The RC-50 has it's own floor/pedal interface, and I've found their similar products like the GT-5 to be very nicely built. Once you've discovered all the parameters and sub-edit features it may be worthwhile owning it just because it's possibly the most full-featured, yet self-contained unit available. NO RACK required. The Repeater requires a midi controller to gain foot control, so factor that into the equation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 17:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85E883BEE9; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UJfS+GBXD/PjmD29SFRp/jjhWZjhmjAmdYvYfChCc+Upoxz6d78KVAWQKUn921wFeDQ4gw0GD7m5qNY89Ql8E++VF9pRqzz7VOBIKNAOpz+fOJdb5rnvd1z/bp7Bpf11JRi776fHBeLbTQVbQ0JyV598WcITwCFr9FdbFZZ/0ck= ; Message-ID: <20060609170747.11310.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060609133323.185710@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:07:50 +0000 (UTC) --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Important is, once > I have the various Phrases set (say Part A-B-C), I'm > able to switch between them on the fly to improvise > on them - does the Electrix Repeater do that? Yup, it sure does. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 18:02:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12AF73BEA7; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cir01OBxRmuetoe24AaWC1yfvuchmsEHn+yZiov+9f3/8pkh7Zwqs7b1WWiKvM9QgLa2EsKKr+Ffl7j9/A8r0yMft+OrcoFs3lU0n+TWzOA+nyIpeQ7odFutRrn0r1vjBTOxxKfu0/45sgYNhDetTiHD+FyXkHRb2x5CB48MnyM= ; Message-ID: <20060609180211.75523.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:02:11 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Hassell and Henriksen live To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" , "midiguitar@yahoogroups.com" , "powerspot@yahoogroups.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1704431812-1149876131=:74930" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:02:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1704431812-1149876131=:74930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Jon Hassell and Arve Henriksen plays at Molde Jazzfestival in july (Norway). http://www.moldejazz.no/ best regards Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1704431812-1149876131=:74930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi !
 
Jon Hassell and Arve Henriksen plays at Molde Jazzfestival in july (Norway).
 
 
best regards Rune F.


www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1704431812-1149876131=:74930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 18:16:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD413BEB8; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dXBI8MpjyG+FWmV9iW4seVIz4hCO3m4G5Lz4sg57dwXtjdCtdDbMyKZur936IKzIYYSLbWAEysexKXmR3S9Na9xNLgYKMZOwGWg6pn57dgTt76Tj1Wyj8wG1gc5sgSCZ+UZvHt0QJdFQuJ4SLk+Z+cfCXg9OVL+ufh9tIcr0aUA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060609180211.75523.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060609180211.75523.qmail@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hassell and Henriksen live Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:16:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:16:16 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jun 2006, at 20.02, rune fagereng wrote: > Jon Hassell and Arve Henriksen plays at Molde Jazzfestival in july > (Norway). > > http://www.moldejazz.no/ Do you know which day? I wasn't able to find it in the program, maybe I missed something... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 19:06:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F89F3BEB2; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [71.146.146.0] From: "Adrian West" To: "Sean Mormelo" , Subject: RE: Transition between phrases on RC-50 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:06:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001001c68b98$4a7a59a0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for these answers. Very helpful. I have another question: On the RC-50 can you go STRAIGHT into overdub mode as soon as you complete your first layer of a phrase, or is it a two-step process like on the RC-20, i.e. one press to end the phrase, and a second press to go into overdub mode? Also curious about how this works when laying down two phrases in series - can you just play the two phrases seamlessly back to back, recording the first phrase to phrase 1 and the second phrase to phrase 2, or do you have to do some extra footpressing in between? Thanks a lot for these answers - you're saving me a lot of time (or enabling my laziness, however you want to look at it). Adrian www.adrianwest.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Mormelo [mailto:sean@seanmormelo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:43 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Transition between phrases on RC-50 > > > Yes you can set the phrases to change at loop end so that if loop 1 is > going, you can press loop 2 and it will blink, then change and transition > perfectly into loop 2. I have most of my stuff set up that way right now. > > Sean Mormelo > www.seanmormelo.com > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian West" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:27 PM > Subject: Transition between phrases on RC-50 > > > > I have a question for RC-50 users: > > > > Let's say you've laid down several phrases in series. When you want to > > transition from phrase 1 to phrase 2 can you cue it up so it makes the > > transition smoothly when phrase 1 ends, or do you have to hit > the phrase 2 > > pedal at just the right moment? I'm thinking of non-midi, non-quantized > > situations where I'm on my own in terms of maintaining a steady tempo, > which > > is how I like to play. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Adrian West > > www.adrianwest.com > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 19:38:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCBCA3BEC5; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ab0PmGW1VTiawjA8bqm7vWtAevIeZRTg6ejGV55lKmAftZ2fSxw9yPZp30tg+axxv83iktmiTW7eSEh/vLEqiSxXsC8JjR2Q9s7cbtBAUU1pY71MydltaSP1G9Wl49xXRjmlPjXpSkla8lYQJaEEuob7VZrDUXmZ3lgWOo+s2Tw= ; Message-ID: <20060609193805.83303.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8A3F8EB2-EA6D-4B54-829D-8A9C7C4901CB@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:38:07 +0000 (UTC) great Rick didnt know u were a muscle man! cheer Luis --- Zoe Keating wrote: > WHOA! GREAT photo Rick. But that's not embarassing! > You look hot! > > On Jun 6, 2006, at 8:13 AM, loop.pool wrote: > > > www.looppool.info/GlamBoy73/ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 19:40:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080EA3BEC7; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xvsqEh50fRGxk+SJxXrPScxqFqKvqEwK+52C5YyszGiiOfAKsX/OH05jY6MYsl8touALHIaFG0ZyuXBXg242zs+7sTZvHNdnNdasdBGtZJbudvYtwIrZZ+M0GqzBZtbYpA63ZFYkjiGU3aoH485j403DNM71uTWWACw9dtEG90s= ; Message-ID: <20060609194025.37490.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:40:25 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Hassell and Henriksen live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-151665792-1149882025=:37106" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4KRFu.A.HdD.q6ciEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:40:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-151665792-1149882025=:37106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Hassell plays 20.07. Rune F. Per Boysen skrev: On 9 jun 2006, at 20.02, rune fagereng wrote: > Jon Hassell and Arve Henriksen plays at Molde Jazzfestival in july > (Norway). > > http://www.moldejazz.no/ Do you know which day? I wasn't able to find it in the program, maybe I missed something... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-151665792-1149882025=:37106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Hassell plays 20.07. 
 
Rune F.
 
Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
On 9 jun 2006, at 20.02, rune fagereng wrote:

> Jon Hassell and Arve Henriksen plays at Molde Jazzfestival in july
> (Norway).
>
> http://www.moldejazz.no/


Do you know which day? I wasn't able to find it in the program, maybe
I missed something...

Greetings from Sweden

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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-151665792-1149882025=:37106-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 19:46:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8AF3BEDA; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gf8aDFGKog2kKvfD4S0ZhtdElTh/rbj20tTmUV75okSqVuHdbn91HCXpwgjIw5oBhsUOeeUkUg6vTmXJbCiFkKgbYqmPyi9860DXfEa0KTumsgGxO79mGA7UEDShBatPloC+HI4xRt6xyUxttOeQs4fnfV9o6qTTUqxlMOHc6nI= Message-ID: <613c528b0606091246j37d791ddw5d35615fd399411b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:46:54 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Transition between phrases on RC-50 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001001c68b98$4a7a59a0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:46:57 +0000 (UTC) It's configurable to work either way... Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 20:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9ADF3BECA; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:23:45 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 7 jun 2006, at 10.39, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Meanwhile I found some Ableton Live settings in Prefs>Misc named >> "Start Recording on Scene Launch". >> Still having problems with moving up/down scenes though: I map keys on >> Scene launch/up/down. When pressing the buttons however, only Scene >> Up works. >> Weird?!? > > You may benefit from using Control Aid. Check it out at > http://www.charlie-roberts.com/ > With all due respect, IMNSHO, I think involving third-party software for this is A: Overkill, and B: only going to confuse matters more. I'd start by checking the midi controller for bad settings. These settings are very basic to the operation of Ableton Live, and should work, before injecting weird control-software into the mix. Andreas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 9 21:48:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3EDC3BEB6; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:48:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060609170747.11310.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Mark, I've never attempted to do this with my RPTR, and I think I understand theoretically how to do it by doubling up midi commands on one pedal, care to elaborate, I thought I knew all the RPTR tricks, now I feel like an old dog :) Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Important is, once > I have the various Phrases set (say Part A-B-C), I'm > able to switch between them on the fly to improvise > on them - does the Electrix Repeater do that? Yup, it sure does. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 00:15:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5A0D3BEB5; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c68c22$ec3b6510$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: Subject: Re: Transition between phrases on RC-50 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:15:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:15:01 +0000 (UTC) yes..At the end of the phrase you are recordin the record pedal can be set a couple differnt ways and one of the ways is Record-Overdub-Play.. when recording 2 phrases in series in either single or multiple modein series it will go right into record when the next phrase is pushed...You can set the next loop to start either the instant you hit the pedal or at the end of the loop for seamless recording. As for the tempo sync issue it's easy to solve. Just disable the tempo sync for each phrase(loop) and you have no issues whatsover. You do not need that tempo sync feature anyway. This is a very powerful unit and i'm still playing with it trying to figure out if I really need something this deep. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian West" To: "Sean Mormelo" ; Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Transition between phrases on RC-50 > Thanks for these answers. Very helpful. > > I have another question: > > On the RC-50 can you go STRAIGHT into overdub mode as soon as you complete > your first layer of a phrase, or is it a two-step process like on the RC-20, > i.e. one press to end the phrase, and a second press to go into overdub > mode? > > Also curious about how this works when laying down two phrases in series - > can you just play the two phrases seamlessly back to back, recording the > first phrase to phrase 1 and the second phrase to phrase 2, or do you have > to do some extra footpressing in between? > > Thanks a lot for these answers - you're saving me a lot of time (or enabling > my laziness, however you want to look at it). > > Adrian > www.adrianwest.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sean Mormelo [mailto:sean@seanmormelo.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:43 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Transition between phrases on RC-50 > > > > > > Yes you can set the phrases to change at loop end so that if loop 1 is > > going, you can press loop 2 and it will blink, then change and transition > > perfectly into loop 2. I have most of my stuff set up that way right now. > > > > Sean Mormelo > > www.seanmormelo.com > > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > > EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo > > www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adrian West" > > To: > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:27 PM > > Subject: Transition between phrases on RC-50 > > > > > > > I have a question for RC-50 users: > > > > > > Let's say you've laid down several phrases in series. When you want to > > > transition from phrase 1 to phrase 2 can you cue it up so it makes the > > > transition smoothly when phrase 1 ends, or do you have to hit > > the phrase 2 > > > pedal at just the right moment? I'm thinking of non-midi, non-quantized > > > situations where I'm on my own in terms of maintaining a steady tempo, > > which > > > is how I like to play. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Adrian West > > > www.adrianwest.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 04:15:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85AFE3BEAB; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 04:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08b101c68c44$81023c70$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ninjam Recordings w/ Me and Tony K Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:15:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 04:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Results from my latest Ninjam escapades.....recorded files from my jam with Tony K on June 8. Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam I http://www.box.net/public/6bzcxcsd7k Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam II http://www.box.net/public/5qoeq6hsy4 Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam III http://www.box.net/public/g58b1fg4jm Look out for another session recording in the next few weeks. Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 06:59:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FFD63BEB9; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ePj3rpqflZg59c7We1UdLvwexM1nhTT5a59wi/V9CVkcLyAvvwKMcTnqkdzvZPh918vv+Vf/RhbBgVQu2Zc7JsjMEjy/EM+dVqBZe07dwBHCPFjDSswnFLp39iEn/r7MW7oLI0KPt9qrQV3o1OcBkOUbJpo66TeEnRYJGcNFayA= ; Message-ID: <20060610065858.52584.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:59:01 +0000 (UTC) i would also be interested in knowing how to do this with the Rptr, i didnt even know it was possible,i love this easy to program function on the EDP! Luis > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > Important is, once > > I have the various Phrases set (say Part A-B-C), > I'm > > able to switch between them on the fly to > improvise > > on them - does the Electrix Repeater do that? > > Yup, it sure does. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 08:21:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B06B93BEC2; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fE3zZ7IaBAwswyN+jJOJ4RB4bEyUt9iwqyVx8ZCX8mTVauRBNe/7on7gc7Vk5hpn0Gq6cHVpCPp/LQPvWYKL07xs9KWd7D5rH15rMv1V7A7tvkN/9Zhp6bkNX8IyjExQ2ttUcIKl6l9beatjxufKpQw8dNxxDyYkrU2zHPfBRe0= ; Message-ID: <20060610082127.38116.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060610065858.52584.qmail@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:21:29 +0000 (UTC) It isn't as elegent as the EDP in terms of operation, but once you get used to it it's easy. Choose a loop number and make a loop. Overdub, make new tracks, whatever. When you get it like you like it, select another empty loop number. Hit record and at the end of your first loop it will go and start recording the next loop. Hit record a second time to define loop 2. Repeat steps up to 99 times! To toggle between loops just select the loop number you want to come next, hit play and at the end of your current loop you'll start hearing the loop you just chose. I wish there was a way to choose a track for cued record or cued play in one step, but there isn't... maybe in MK2? ;) It's right around the corner... I'm sure... I can almost smell it. Mark --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > i would also be interested in knowing how to do this > with the Rptr, i didnt even know it was possible,i > love this easy to program function on the EDP! > Luis > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > > > Important is, once > > > I have the various Phrases set (say Part A-B-C), > > I'm > > > able to switch between them on the fly to > > improvise > > > on them - does the Electrix Repeater do that? > > > > Yup, it sure does. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 08:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265FE3BEC1; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QdieeYNYqYKG4xTjfOxX6nP+Y7Qhn1tZAp9Z69bUf3jltjwR4jr/CjhvLmOFuxKeJbDho5Zin7O2ZxvZ8tS1sDB1zK1EjaYexPdrtJklUHF1FvSPf0S+4xo4E8UGXz1NG6jtwSoNfk16WxvPWzhE9kNbQCgMHMjyHqxXQ88kqBw= ; Message-ID: <20060610082834.56155.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Am I not understanding the question? Does on the fly mean instantly? I don't think there's a way to do it instantly with one pedel push. You can initiate a new loop record by selecting an empty loop and then hitting record. It it a second time and it will instantly start recording (or playing if something's there and you hit play) I always like my loops quantized so I never want an instant loop play/rec. Maybe you can program the fcb1010 to do a cc record and a pc record message in one button press. I've never tried it. I tried a double track select-record program and it didn't work. --- William Walker wrote: > Mark, I've never attempted to do this with my RPTR, > and I think I understand > theoretically how to do it by doubling up midi > commands on one pedal, care > to elaborate, I thought I knew all the RPTR tricks, > now I feel like an old > dog :) > Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:08 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > Important is, once > > I have the various Phrases set (say Part A-B-C), > I'm > > able to switch between them on the fly to > improvise > > on them - does the Electrix Repeater do that? > > Yup, it sure does. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 09:30:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B8133BEB5; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H8sv1/BQqxI6KxHXQ21Fap2Ft60yz9xbrD4B9AmW0unVRoLc6wx84SsBZOrqbdm5K0G0pITXcFtg1rokhpOIWwuZkwSpv59mcid9a1ydc4HxqGY8SF4efT91V/14VuVax4v5xr/BWvvykmRyo+jVVv+TAy5kSqtLK2v+OPXrqts= ; Message-ID: <20060610093035.6205.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060610082127.38116.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Mark u rock man thanx for the tip! i might just keep this baby... Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > It isn't as elegent as the EDP in terms of > operation, > but once you get used to it it's easy. > > Choose a loop number and make a loop. Overdub, make > new tracks, whatever. > > When you get it like you like it, select another > empty > loop number. Hit record and at the end of your > first > loop it will go and start recording the next loop. > Hit record a second time to define loop 2. > > Repeat steps up to 99 times! To toggle between > loops > just select the loop number you want to come next, > hit > play and at the end of your current loop you'll > start > hearing the loop you just chose. > > I wish there was a way to choose a track for cued > record or cued play in one step, but there isn't... > maybe in MK2? ;) It's right around the corner... > I'm > sure... I can almost smell it. > > Mark > > --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > > i would also be interested in knowing how to do > this > > with the Rptr, i didnt even know it was possible,i > > love this easy to program function on the EDP! > > Luis > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > > > > > Important is, once > > > > I have the various Phrases set (say Part > A-B-C), > > > I'm > > > > able to switch between them on the fly to > > > improvise > > > > on them - does the Electrix Repeater do that? > > > > > > Yup, it sure does. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 13:12:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2633BEAC; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060610082834.56155.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060610082834.56155.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02EA0811-F552-49E2-BDEB-3F013C7A8B4F@zoekeating.com> Cc: billwalker@baymoon.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:12:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Server-Quench: cbb0c4ba-f882-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZxSwMC BzkfSQNNTQQqJgFk BRgENQZAOx8FWABQ PUZGaFFUNUsZWFVF WiZXDkxWSRNwWXwP LlRObwVdZFpPWw9r UkJNQhxQEBtqBRgf BBoeTBt3cxpEfXx1 ekYsBXUqKDcuDBd9 SkxWE2tIZGRkaC5M AhJYJAcGIR4cdhdH d1F+ACIQM2IAZmdg R1Zqb209ZmoAIy1D eAxfZWg5BBtTViAn AVg4EC0iFFEIXXJb X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.55/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:12:52 +0000 (UTC) or, you can use 2 Repeaters and toggle back and forth between different phrases. On Jun 10, 2006, at 4:28 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Am I not understanding the question? Does on the fly > mean instantly? I don't think there's a way to do it > instantly with one pedel push. You can initiate a new > loop record by selecting an empty loop and then > hitting record. It it a second time and it will > instantly start recording (or playing if something's > there and you hit play) > > I always like my loops quantized so I never want an > instant loop play/rec. > > Maybe you can program the fcb1010 to do a cc record > and a pc record message in one button press. I've > never tried it. I tried a double track select-record > program and it didn't work. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 17:36:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9188A3BEB6; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AkjDQjdFvWkP06f5WXr35Rt66GUTxh3BLQCjoFN7Ev2aR4NPUcUwEt+kom/uDBEJBf1XI9y7OGJp5K8cPTLOHg7FvuFkuM3rVTBpp/urJ8rNF0fgWr+2GgW5dkkbUrMecyuyHQ4VViTr0L7EQMuME5KXDqHXSNWNheBNnsIjvEM= ; Message-ID: <20060610173619.63402.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:36:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02EA0811-F552-49E2-BDEB-3F013C7A8B4F@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:36:30 +0000 (UTC) I've never tried it, but I imagine that with the fcb1010 you could also do mute track shananagans to achieve the same effect. --- Zoe Keating wrote: > or, you can use 2 Repeaters and toggle back and > forth between > different phrases. > > > On Jun 10, 2006, at 4:28 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Am I not understanding the question? Does on the > fly > > mean instantly? I don't think there's a way to do > it > > instantly with one pedel push. You can initiate a > new > > loop record by selecting an empty loop and then > > hitting record. It it a second time and it will > > instantly start recording (or playing if > something's > > there and you hit play) > > > > I always like my loops quantized so I never want > an > > instant loop play/rec. > > > > Maybe you can program the fcb1010 to do a cc > record > > and a pc record message in one button press. I've > > never tried it. I tried a double track > select-record > > program and it didn't work. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 21:03:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFFF33BEB8; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060610173619.63402.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060610173619.63402.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <198B7FCF-28B4-4F13-9922-8D9215CC0085@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:03:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Server-Quench: 9ad401e3-f8c4-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcYlU0Glt1 UkhJREJQFg9oAhYF A1AcVgdwcwFYenpw e0RnWm9ZWUZ/akYz GUslaW5fPDJgaGQe VkIWdAVQcU1DL0tB alEqV25baTYDe3th EwZ2NW9uZXAHcH0M ElwBdg1NSk8dJDNu DyopWGh3VVMeAW0J IgQrI0IRBhF5 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.55/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:03:47 +0000 (UTC) For a while I had some patches programmed to do that. For example, Mute some/all tracks on RPTR1 and meanwhile start recording on RPTR2. But in the heat of performance, it was too hard to keep tabs which tracks are muted or unmuted. Because...and this is something I've explained at great length to Elextrix...the Repeater gives you no visual feedback whatsoever as to what tracks are muted! In some songs, I often do things exactly the same, but I need to stay flexible in case accidents happen (and some of my favorite songs I deliberately leave open to the element of chance). Also, at the end of a song I often get absorbed in what I'm performing (the ends of songs are always different and I'm concentrating on silly little things like musical phrase...;-)...). I quickly forget what is muted and what is not. Meanwhile, I'll start the next piece, and the old loop will be erased, but the mute settings are still from the previous song! The only way to "reset" is to turn the power off. Often I'll turn the power off between songs for this sole purpose, because I just can't remember what I muted or unmuted. Add to this the fact that sometimes a foot press might not have been "forceful" enough, and maybe I didn't unmute? No way to know... Try it, you'll soon see how complicated it can become if you have songs where you already mute and unmute tracks on a regular basis. Then we get into the issue of space within each patch on the FCB1010.... The FCB1010 allows you to send 2 CC messages and 5 PC messages per patch. I have one CC spot and 2 PC spots controlling RPTR1 and the same for RPTR2. So really I'm limited to one 1 CC and 2 PCs message per Repeater per patch (the 5th slot controls the drum machine). Combo muting (ie 1&2 and 3&4) is accessible only via CC, so the other 2 tracks have to be muted with 2 separate PC messages. That's 2 CCs + 4PCs to mute/unmute all the tracks on the two Repeaters. And then no room left for anything. It's easier when there are only a couple tracks running on each. But I eat up tracks pretty fast...! Instead, I started various combos of simultaneously stopping RPTR1 and starting RPTR2. But I'm midi synced and the Repeater "ramps up" to the tempo when starting from a full stop. Sigh. So now I've resorted to this: combination of stopping RPTR1 and a volume pedal on RPTR2. I can start a Repeater with the volume down so it has time to ramp up to the clock, then I'll bring up the volume at the right moment. I've had a hard time operating 2 volume pedals and the FCB1010, so I've arranged the songs to make use of just one Repeater coming in and out with my feet. And the other Repeater I'll start it before with my feet, let it ramp up, and turn volume knob up on the mixer in a "breath" when I 'm not playing the cello... On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > I've never tried it, but I imagine that with the > fcb1010 you could also do mute track shananagans to > achieve the same effect. > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 22:22:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D053BEAF; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c68c13$4903f060$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:23:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey folks, >From what I can tell (unless I missed a digest) Kris and I are the only ones out there who have had the courage to post our dorky (or sexy, as the case may be) early music photos. I know you have 'em.........................I took the plunge...............you can too!!!! Come on. Entertain us!!!! Are there no mullets, polyester 70's suits? over the top New Wave or Punk fotos? No ex-drag queens (or kings) out there? Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 22:36:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1723D3BEC2; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D9WS7tp7bGG04ppHh2LcGONBG+VWKwW42eNMYkPpF2awRdwx88OYJsa9FEat7lZV+HnSCQlXuri16ayQbVLbnINbvxlJjzDwvBAjitbguVTrQ43id7IX8gtdMAm2CuD6uU5Gxt9FuET+4oN3ErSOfuNqYBjBVRlJC3eNN6g2hE8= ; Message-ID: <20060610223624.5576.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:36:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c68c13$4903f060$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I did the old 1969-2006 cavalcade of hairstyles photo montage on my Myspace page (scroll down for link). That Chris Squire wannabe underneath the Jimmy Page-hairdo looking over at the David Torn clone is a gem. -t- --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Hey folks, > > From what I can tell (unless I missed a digest) > Kris and I are the only > ones out there > who have had the courage to post our dorky (or sexy, > as the case may be) > early music photos. > > I know you have 'em.........................I took > the > plunge...............you can too!!!! > > Come on. Entertain us!!!! Are there no mullets, > polyester 70's > suits? over the top New Wave > or Punk fotos? No ex-drag queens (or kings) out > there? > > Rick > > 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 22:44:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D7513BEB5; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060610223624.5576.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060610223624.5576.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:44:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1062143025==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <0JiIb.A.u7G.At0iEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:44:16 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1062143025==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://tinyurl.com/gvrvl -- --============_-1062143025==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History
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--============_-1062143025==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 10 23:25:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D59583BEB6; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAvvikQLhx+BRQ From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:25:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: References: <20060610223624.5576.qmail@web30009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Ok, here's me in the swing band I played in during high school. I'm the sax player with the black hat on. The playing in the mp3s is really bad, but I'm still proud of the arrangements. http://www.marksmart.net/bands/chazz/chazz.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 02:42:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E29F63BEC7; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jqT2smBA3xcn2P/iYDqXP4AjM3m8ecvRg+9MAh1bcidaz1bn0TTD/dPsueFlYR6Wppb9Un7VwT194YhUjv/8dGbwuRt38zCHaKClH+nMSSQwrYtvcH525rBa3xVHI0qYG8Bj9EHNCMkM67LMKteri1qZXTqJDmzyozPstmKbq7Y= Message-ID: <913728d60606101942p435e71cuc5fb8f55e11ae75d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:42:41 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS! Lexicon Jamman w/32 second upgrade! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:42:43 +0000 (UTC) hello fellow loopers! well, its about that time to upgrade my looping device, and so to fund that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon Jamman. It has the 32 second upgrade and I don't think i need to put much information about it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more about it than i do :) i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or anything like that, so feel free to contact me and i will send you pics or any other information that you may need I follow prepal.com with pricing, and i see that it's listed at $379 there, so i am going to ask $365 + shipping :) i would like to keep this to the US or canada, mainly because i don't know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no offense :) Thanks for looking! :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 02:49:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 406573BECC; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bWLBV8IyX84UKgUkVLrNNnTgJK8r7PHOw86SXBVUvIzIe2taJyKJvGeOQMfj4DPg1475ovdN03eUSWzLA+RacyWSUCNmo37eoyJ+WBfcwvmCRCIOQjP/mf0vEiUoeOtSQlsEcrAV/FbKks+zPZLL4ewd3nZsy+zvLAR3dl6suFE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0606101949s2a93f17o98a2ed71b693488b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:49:25 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:49:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm wondering if this had anything to do with Krispen's audio problems. I was reading about tweaking Windows XP and came across this: http://www.jakeludington.com/ask_jake/20050225_optimize_your_pc_for_audio_and_video.html "Several applications are known to run in the background even when you don't have them open. This consumes extra memory that could be dedicated to your video or audio project. The software companies do this so the apps load faster when you click on them, but you don't want extra stuff running during processor and memory intensive media projects. One common culprit is iTunes, which runs two helper apps in the background waiting to launch if you dock your iPod (even if you don't own one) or click on a music file." Sure enough, I opened my Windows Task Manager and stopped iTunes, and I was able to run the same patches in EnergyXT one buffer size smaller with no glitches. Warren also commented earlier on how iTunes messed up his system, did it have anything to do with this? anyway to avoid this without uninstalling iTunes? -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 03:15:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F41DA3BEC2; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a2301c68d05$5372e770$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <588ce11d0606101949s2a93f17o98a2ed71b693488b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:15:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:15:46 +0000 (UTC) It's possible. I did have iTunes running on my new system for a while, because Cycling 74 Hipno requires Quicktime, and for a while I couldn't find the standalone quicktime installer, but has to installed both iTunes and Qicktime. Now I only have Quicktime installed. I've been doing a lot of research and tweaking on my new ThinkPad, with msconfig. I basically researched every single startup item and service that loads with the system, and determined which were un-necessary for for music performance. Hence, before I play, I know how to go into msconfig and use the selective startup option to uncheck those items and services. I wish you could save msconfig settings. I have to manually do this each time, and creating a new user profile on XP doesn't help, because many of the services and program are super-user, system wide, not based on user. But.....with that streamlined startup and the normal startup, I really can't tell a difference in performance. I mean, I have 2gig of RAM and massive processing power. When I do control-alt-delete and look at those processes running in the background, they memory and processing they take up is miniscule. So, I'm not really making a big deal out of creating a clean startup config now....maybe on my old notebook that has a slower processor and less memory, but not this one. The iTunes thing could have been a problem though. Morever, I believe I've done everything else noted in the URL you provided below. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency > I'm wondering if this had anything to do with Krispen's audio > problems. I was reading about tweaking Windows XP and came across > this: > > http://www.jakeludington.com/ask_jake/20050225_optimize_your_pc_for_audio_and_video.html > > "Several applications are known to run in the background even when you > don't have them open. This consumes extra memory that could be > dedicated to your video or audio project. The software companies do > this so the apps load faster when you click on them, but you don't > want extra stuff running during processor and memory intensive media > projects. One common culprit is iTunes, which runs two helper apps in > the background waiting to launch if you dock your iPod (even if you > don't own one) or click on a music file." > > Sure enough, I opened my Windows Task Manager and stopped iTunes, and > I was able to run the same patches in EnergyXT one buffer size smaller > with no glitches. Warren also commented earlier on how iTunes messed > up his system, did it have anything to do with this? anyway to avoid > this without uninstalling iTunes? > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 03:40:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0075D3BED0; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1229.69.155.51.187.1149997255.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <913728d60606101942p435e71cuc5fb8f55e11ae75d@mail.gmail.com> References: <913728d60606101942p435e71cuc5fb8f55e11ae75d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:40:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Wanted: MIDI foot controller From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone! I've been playing with Mobius a lot lately, and I'm beginning to get inspiration overload (which is a great thing!). However, I can't really put that inspiration into practice until I break down and purchase a foot controller. I've been looking at the FCB1010 (of course... who isn't?), which I can get for $138 w/ free shipping on eBay, but since my wife is right at a month from the due date of our first child, I'd like to save money if can. So I'm really willing to look at any controller that will get me started in looping if I can save a few bucks. Is anybody here (or perhaps a friend of anybody here) looking to sell a used foot controller? Feel free to e-mail me directly if you have anything. Thanks! --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 05:36:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261AE3BED5; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dJKuk9qQAqr9G4MxxsW4OpQGWeJ8Ig9LA3cXZV+mYKtcjJj+olgF7E2ZqMUqAflwPhrYTjBDyVvW7+OczWFVSq9HvEqIHpP5SAzFdSMi93ZBM+1+ylyJ8c0As2237EonixPJj34mwHsY2AzsCs78M/pW1nGYjPEdyQlfr75DdYs= ; Message-ID: <20060611053654.10854.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <198B7FCF-28B4-4F13-9922-8D9215CC0085@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7c3hZ.A.r0B.3v6iEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that seems like a complex setup! What exactly are you trying to make it do? I thought this thread was talking about doing simple "verse/chorus" type loop switching. --- Zoe Keating wrote: > For a while I had some patches programmed to do > that. For example, > Mute some/all tracks on RPTR1 and meanwhile start > recording on RPTR2. > > But in the heat of performance, it was too hard to > keep tabs which > tracks are muted or unmuted. Because...and this is > something I've > explained at great length to Elextrix...the Repeater > gives you no > visual feedback whatsoever as to what tracks are > muted! In some > songs, I often do things exactly the same, but I > need to stay > flexible in case accidents happen (and some of my > favorite songs I > deliberately leave open to the element of chance). > > Also, at the end of a song I often get absorbed in > what I'm > performing (the ends of songs are always different > and I'm > concentrating on silly little things like musical > phrase...;-)...). I > quickly forget what is muted and what is not. > Meanwhile, I'll start > the next piece, and the old loop will be erased, but > the mute > settings are still from the previous song! The only > way to "reset" is > to turn the power off. Often I'll turn the power off > between songs > for this sole purpose, because I just can't remember > what I muted or > unmuted. Add to this the fact that sometimes a foot > press might not > have been "forceful" enough, and maybe I didn't > unmute? No way to > know... > > Try it, you'll soon see how complicated it can > become if you have > songs where you already mute and unmute tracks on a > regular basis. > > Then we get into the issue of space within each > patch on the > FCB1010.... The FCB1010 allows you to send 2 CC > messages and 5 PC > messages per patch. I have one CC spot and 2 PC > spots controlling > RPTR1 and the same for RPTR2. So really I'm limited > to one 1 CC and 2 > PCs message per Repeater per patch (the 5th slot > controls the drum > machine). Combo muting (ie 1&2 and 3&4) is > accessible only via CC, so > the other 2 tracks have to be muted with 2 separate > PC messages. > That's 2 CCs + 4PCs to mute/unmute all the tracks on > the two > Repeaters. And then no room left for anything. It's > easier when there > are only a couple tracks running on each. But I eat > up tracks pretty > fast...! > > Instead, I started various combos of simultaneously > stopping RPTR1 > and starting RPTR2. But I'm midi synced and the > Repeater "ramps up" > to the tempo when starting from a full stop. > > Sigh. > > So now I've resorted to this: combination of > stopping RPTR1 and a > volume pedal on RPTR2. I can start a Repeater with > the volume down so > it has time to ramp up to the clock, then I'll bring > up the volume at > the right moment. I've had a hard time operating 2 > volume pedals and > the FCB1010, so I've arranged the songs to make use > of just one > Repeater coming in and out with my feet. And the > other Repeater I'll > start it before with my feet, let it ramp up, and > turn volume knob up > on the mixer in a "breath" when I 'm not playing the > cello... > > > On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I've never tried it, but I imagine that with the > > fcb1010 you could also do mute track shananagans > to > > achieve the same effect. > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 05:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE58A3BED5; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mY3WC28LuO+76iXEeCEtClnNrPXaBbzWAO3IP9l2xxZVIGySgGCY97BRyeGvQ/N4roLg7aoPAl4FFq9/dlpDSrHyXiq5JjWwcV881spBfYh3bNsRRIDhbiBbL+DksOSkZwSWNAQ90aX6XX7hwzmx4KpZlzR/G4LeB3mgpzXBfp0= ; Message-ID: <20060611055840.59721.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060611053654.10854.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:58:41 +0000 (UTC) I remeber doing the track muting dance as well and loosing track as to what was muted and what wasnt with the repeater,actually that is a killer feature which updates i was waiting for, but as i did more song gigs i simply started using the undo/redo feature to bring part A and B and the other parts (if any) i would just loop in real time,its amazing what u can do with such a simple feature!for me too much technic detaches me from the feeling and emotion of music also having one single looper in my signal has made my life a lot easier! Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Wow, that seems like a complex setup! What exactly > are you trying to make it do? I thought this thread > was talking about doing simple "verse/chorus" type > loop switching. > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > For a while I had some patches programmed to do > > that. For example, > > Mute some/all tracks on RPTR1 and meanwhile start > > recording on RPTR2. > > > > But in the heat of performance, it was too hard to > > keep tabs which > > tracks are muted or unmuted. Because...and this is > > something I've > > explained at great length to Elextrix...the > Repeater > > gives you no > > visual feedback whatsoever as to what tracks are > > muted! In some > > songs, I often do things exactly the same, but I > > need to stay > > flexible in case accidents happen (and some of my > > favorite songs I > > deliberately leave open to the element of chance). > > > > Also, at the end of a song I often get absorbed in > > what I'm > > performing (the ends of songs are always different > > and I'm > > concentrating on silly little things like musical > > phrase...;-)...). I > > quickly forget what is muted and what is not. > > Meanwhile, I'll start > > the next piece, and the old loop will be erased, > but > > the mute > > settings are still from the previous song! The > only > > way to "reset" is > > to turn the power off. Often I'll turn the power > off > > between songs > > for this sole purpose, because I just can't > remember > > what I muted or > > unmuted. Add to this the fact that sometimes a > foot > > press might not > > have been "forceful" enough, and maybe I didn't > > unmute? No way to > > know... > > > > Try it, you'll soon see how complicated it can > > become if you have > > songs where you already mute and unmute tracks on > a > > regular basis. > > > > Then we get into the issue of space within each > > patch on the > > FCB1010.... The FCB1010 allows you to send 2 CC > > messages and 5 PC > > messages per patch. I have one CC spot and 2 PC > > spots controlling > > RPTR1 and the same for RPTR2. So really I'm > limited > > to one 1 CC and 2 > > PCs message per Repeater per patch (the 5th slot > > controls the drum > > machine). Combo muting (ie 1&2 and 3&4) is > > accessible only via CC, so > > the other 2 tracks have to be muted with 2 > separate > > PC messages. > > That's 2 CCs + 4PCs to mute/unmute all the tracks > on > > the two > > Repeaters. And then no room left for anything. > It's > > easier when there > > are only a couple tracks running on each. But I > eat > > up tracks pretty > > fast...! > > > > Instead, I started various combos of > simultaneously > > stopping RPTR1 > > and starting RPTR2. But I'm midi synced and the > > Repeater "ramps up" > > to the tempo when starting from a full stop. > > > > Sigh. > > > > So now I've resorted to this: combination of > > stopping RPTR1 and a > > volume pedal on RPTR2. I can start a Repeater with > > the volume down so > > it has time to ramp up to the clock, then I'll > bring > > up the volume at > > the right moment. I've had a hard time operating 2 > > volume pedals and > > the FCB1010, so I've arranged the songs to make > use > > of just one > > Repeater coming in and out with my feet. And the > > other Repeater I'll > > start it before with my feet, let it ramp up, and > > turn volume knob up > > on the mixer in a "breath" when I 'm not playing > the > > cello... > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > > I've never tried it, but I imagine that with the > > > fcb1010 you could also do mute track shananagans > > to > > > achieve the same effect. > > > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 06:15:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B25293BEDA; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 06:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:15:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060611055840.59721.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-hdTKD.A.urC.cU7iEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 06:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Ditto here, I ended up not using the RPTRs mute function because of these very reasons, it seemed too much of a mind F#@*k. Bill -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? I remeber doing the track muting dance as well and loosing track as to what was muted and what wasnt with the repeater,actually that is a killer feature which updates i was waiting for, but as i did more song gigs i simply started using the undo/redo feature to bring part A and B and the other parts (if any) i would just loop in real time,its amazing what u can do with such a simple feature!for me too much technic detaches me from the feeling and emotion of music also having one single looper in my signal has made my life a lot easier! Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Wow, that seems like a complex setup! What exactly > are you trying to make it do? I thought this thread > was talking about doing simple "verse/chorus" type > loop switching. > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > For a while I had some patches programmed to do > > that. For example, > > Mute some/all tracks on RPTR1 and meanwhile start > > recording on RPTR2. > > > > But in the heat of performance, it was too hard to > > keep tabs which > > tracks are muted or unmuted. Because...and this is > > something I've > > explained at great length to Elextrix...the > Repeater > > gives you no > > visual feedback whatsoever as to what tracks are > > muted! In some > > songs, I often do things exactly the same, but I > > need to stay > > flexible in case accidents happen (and some of my > > favorite songs I > > deliberately leave open to the element of chance). > > > > Also, at the end of a song I often get absorbed in > > what I'm > > performing (the ends of songs are always different > > and I'm > > concentrating on silly little things like musical > > phrase...;-)...). I > > quickly forget what is muted and what is not. > > Meanwhile, I'll start > > the next piece, and the old loop will be erased, > but > > the mute > > settings are still from the previous song! The > only > > way to "reset" is > > to turn the power off. Often I'll turn the power > off > > between songs > > for this sole purpose, because I just can't > remember > > what I muted or > > unmuted. Add to this the fact that sometimes a > foot > > press might not > > have been "forceful" enough, and maybe I didn't > > unmute? No way to > > know... > > > > Try it, you'll soon see how complicated it can > > become if you have > > songs where you already mute and unmute tracks on > a > > regular basis. > > > > Then we get into the issue of space within each > > patch on the > > FCB1010.... The FCB1010 allows you to send 2 CC > > messages and 5 PC > > messages per patch. I have one CC spot and 2 PC > > spots controlling > > RPTR1 and the same for RPTR2. So really I'm > limited > > to one 1 CC and 2 > > PCs message per Repeater per patch (the 5th slot > > controls the drum > > machine). Combo muting (ie 1&2 and 3&4) is > > accessible only via CC, so > > the other 2 tracks have to be muted with 2 > separate > > PC messages. > > That's 2 CCs + 4PCs to mute/unmute all the tracks > on > > the two > > Repeaters. And then no room left for anything. > It's > > easier when there > > are only a couple tracks running on each. But I > eat > > up tracks pretty > > fast...! > > > > Instead, I started various combos of > simultaneously > > stopping RPTR1 > > and starting RPTR2. But I'm midi synced and the > > Repeater "ramps up" > > to the tempo when starting from a full stop. > > > > Sigh. > > > > So now I've resorted to this: combination of > > stopping RPTR1 and a > > volume pedal on RPTR2. I can start a Repeater with > > the volume down so > > it has time to ramp up to the clock, then I'll > bring > > up the volume at > > the right moment. I've had a hard time operating 2 > > volume pedals and > > the FCB1010, so I've arranged the songs to make > use > > of just one > > Repeater coming in and out with my feet. And the > > other Repeater I'll > > start it before with my feet, let it ramp up, and > > turn volume knob up > > on the mixer in a "breath" when I 'm not playing > the > > cello... > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > > I've never tried it, but I imagine that with the > > > fcb1010 you could also do mute track shananagans > > to > > > achieve the same effect. > > > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 07:44:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935A13BED8; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060611074457644.9D40C3400086@mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <002001c68d2a$f1db1ed0$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <913728d60606101942p435e71cuc5fb8f55e11ae75d@mail.gmail.com> <1229.69.155.51.187.1149997255.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Wanted: MIDI foot controller Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Congratulations on your kid-to-be. In my experience newborns don't cost much to run , (unlike money grabbing teenagers), so treat your self to an FCB - consider it a gift to the child! When they grow up you can proudly say " I bought that when you were born - and it's still. going" !? G .......but since my wife is right at a > month from the due date of our first child, I'd like to save money if can. > So I'm really willing to look at any controller that will get me started > in looping if I can save a few bucks. > > Is anybody here (or perhaps a friend of anybody here) looking to sell a > used foot controller? Feel free to e-mail me directly if you have > anything. > > Thanks! > > --Josh > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 08:12:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68B7D3BEDA; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060611081233911.DE8759400081@mwinf3209.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <001801c68d2e$cc0e7770$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <20060608011010.23100.qmail@web55509.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Subject: pedal pushers Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:12:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C68D37.2D7D4560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:12:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C68D37.2D7D4560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Bill, marriage has made u dyslexic. =20 =20 Ditto here, I ended up not using the RPTRs mute function because of = these very reasons, it seemed too much of a mind F#@*k. Bill =20 This brings up an interesting point though. Getting the balance between = button pushing and getting your phrasing/ emotional input right. For me = they=20 are mutually exclusive. I'm sure they use different parts of the brain. = I=20 like nothing better than doing my musical thing sans pedal pushing. The = performance takes a back seat when I start twiddling/pressing pedals. I = know=20 some would say that twiddling IS part of the performance and I agree = when,=20 say, you're mashing/modifying sound that has been captured but I'm = talking=20 about while you're ACTUALLY playing. The answer maybe to sequence = button=20 pushing - it's something I'm actively looking into right now. =20 G=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C68D37.2D7D4560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

Hey Bill, marriage has made u = dyslexic.
 
 
=20 Ditto here, I ended up not using the RPTRs mute function because of=20 these
 very reasons, it seemed too much of a mind F#@*k.
 Bill

 
This = brings up an=20 interesting point though. Getting the balance between 
button = pushing=20 and getting your phrasing/ emotional input right. For me they 
= are=20 mutually exclusive. I'm sure they use different parts of the brain. = I 
=20 like nothing better than doing my musical thing sans pedal pushing.=20 The 
performance takes a back seat when I start = twiddling/pressing=20 pedals. I know 
some would say that twiddling IS part of the=20 performance and I agree when, 
say, you're mashing/modifying = sound that=20 has been captured but I'm talking 
about while you're ACTUALLY = playing.=20 The answer maybe to sequence button 
pushing - it's something = I'm=20 actively looking into right now.
 
G =
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C68D37.2D7D4560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 09:07:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5F83BED5; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=B9WNAwLKoTIK28lPSZBVhlQeHBod9FosZ9Gd6GbIpgDDAfBNi1ALpLXXXgxeMP2/WJPNowA3kg4liL6TBOsGnpp5pvpNEQnkrMgW1IsVvNFjKhZtYzrzfrPnDiWl5Yao65HO6accU6qEHq7PxwHbGb7rLWa9Am56bbegxrykzvQ= In-Reply-To: <1229.69.155.51.187.1149997255.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <913728d60606101942p435e71cuc5fb8f55e11ae75d@mail.gmail.com> <1229.69.155.51.187.1149997255.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F6D5136-E2F0-42C5-A34D-2C6B9B5B7A6A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Wanted: MIDI foot controller Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:06:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:07:26 +0000 (UTC) On 11 jun 2006, at 05.40, Joshua Carroll wrote: > playing with Mobius a lot lately, > So I'm really willing to look at any controller that will get me > started > in looping if I can save a few bucks. You can use just about anything that sends MIDI. An old drum machine with buttons, a synth with foot pedal inputs etc etc... I have an old MC-303 and by putting it on the floor I can tap the buttons with my feet. You just have to assign the MIDI events to some functions in the looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 09:18:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC1FE3BEE6; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=W3rOkIpvYZ6IahJQ8Le03jp8qJdgm8GjF593+CnbX2fCz8lRh9Wj1bXq3Op9rIifxMkQ3jW5MYM/r47yNFECLbywXIiaIYUG4vzcVFi7amA+RW8LIScPC+dGmobwkNSc7zLnzTpG2uPMzAkmok73MTnnlvqXC8rNPFBrMKIoIaY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0606101949s2a93f17o98a2ed71b693488b@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0606101949s2a93f17o98a2ed71b693488b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:18:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <7qxFB.A.KvH.DA-iEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:18:59 +0000 (UTC) On 11 jun 2006, at 04.49, Art Simon wrote: > Sure enough, I opened my Windows Task Manager and stopped iTunes, and > I was able to run the same patches in EnergyXT one buffer size smaller > with no glitches. Warren also commented earlier on how iTunes messed > up his system, did it have anything to do with this? anyway to avoid > this without uninstalling iTunes? I have iTunes on both my OSX and my XP PC's. On the XP PC there are no extra background processes due to iTunes. But when I open iTunes I notice two extra processes: "iTunes.exe" and "iPodService.exe". After I have closed down iTunes the iPodService.exe stays active. I use this PC for concerts with Mobius and I wouldn't open any other application before I play; it's rock stable. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 12:20:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B1183BED9; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c68c88$4c158f00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:20:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Now we're cooking with gas!!!!!!! >>>>>>tim wrote: Oh, I did the old 1969-2006 cavalcade of hairstyles photo montage on my Myspace page (scroll down for link). charles zwicky gave us: http://tinyurl.com/gvrvl And hey, Charles, is that a firebird? Beaut of a guitar!!!!!! mark smart wrote: Ok, here's me in the swing band I played in during high school. I'm the sax player with the black hat on. The playing in the mp3s is really bad, but I'm still proud of the arrangements. http://www.marksmart.net/bands/chazz/chazz.html>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 16:19:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 891E13BEB6; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,227,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="1206426407:sNHT71196488" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <08b101c68c44$81023c70$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <08b101c68c44$81023c70$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <94543d6290f038ca01968720c947ed3d@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Ninjam Recordings w/ Me and Tony K Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:19:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Hey Krispen and Tony, I really like the first track.. It's playing right now and that's all I've listened too so far. I'm looking forward to hearing the other two when I have a chance. Ted On Jun 9, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Results from my latest Ninjam escapades.....recorded files from my jam > with Tony K on June 8. > > Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam I > http://www.box.net/public/6bzcxcsd7k > > Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam II > http://www.box.net/public/5qoeq6hsy4 > > Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam III > http://www.box.net/public/g58b1fg4jm > > Look out for another session recording in the next few weeks. > > Cheers, > > ************************************************* > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > Looper's Delight Playlist - > http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 16:26:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C13C43BEC2; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a8d01c68d73$d3d7ab80$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <08b101c68c44$81023c70$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <94543d6290f038ca01968720c947ed3d@charter.net> Subject: Re: Ninjam Recordings w/ Me and Tony K Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:26:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Ted. I really enjoy these internet collaborations. My plan is to have one with someone at least once a month, and I hope to get to most all of the major players on this list eventually. I started with Rainer and Rick, then CPR (Chris), and this last time with Tony. I have mark sottilaro and Charlie Milkey on my list too. Who knows, with permission of the artist, I may make a CD at the end of the year with excerpts of all the internet performances. I could call it the "Looper's Delight Ninjam Performance". BTW, next year at the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival, I do plan on having a few virtual performances from folks on this group. I don't even need Ninjam for that...just my Shoutcast system and AIM instant messenger for the webcam. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Ninjam Recordings w/ Me and Tony K > Hey Krispen and Tony, > > I really like the first track.. It's playing right now and that's all I've > listened too so far. > I'm looking forward to hearing the other two when I have a chance. > > Ted > > > On Jun 9, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Results from my latest Ninjam escapades.....recorded files from my jam >> with Tony K on June 8. >> >> Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam I >> http://www.box.net/public/6bzcxcsd7k >> >> Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam II >> http://www.box.net/public/5qoeq6hsy4 >> >> Krispen Hartung & Tony K - Ninjam III >> http://www.box.net/public/g58b1fg4jm >> >> Look out for another session recording in the next few weeks. >> >> Cheers, >> >> ************************************************* >> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar >> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> Looper's Delight Playlist - >> http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 16:38:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34F283BEB2; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <198B7FCF-28B4-4F13-9922-8D9215CC0085@zoekeating.com> References: <20060610173619.63402.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <198B7FCF-28B4-4F13-9922-8D9215CC0085@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:38:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <47FTfD.A.7BF.ScEjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:38:43 +0000 (UTC) zoe, have you considered having a separate controller that only mutes and un-mutes? i know it's a hassle to have more gear, but having a dedicated second controller would allow you to have the even numbers be mute-off and odd numbers be mute-on or something. at the start of each song you could just hit a switch that un-mutes everything. it would be easier than restarting the repeaters. also, i use the lake butler midigator which allows you to have quite a few more cc and pc messages, i believe. they're getting harder to find, but i have an extra i could loan you to try, if you like. let me know off-list if you'd like to try it. peace ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 21:22:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6327C3BEAB; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:24:48 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000b01c68d9d$77fed890$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:22:31 +0000 (UTC) I haven't been following this thread - just noticed it by accident, really. But y'all should know about the Windows Startup Control Panel. Hunt for it on Google. There are about 6 different ways something can be specified to start up on boot, and this lets you block all of them, and save your blocks. It's simple to use, very convenient, and free. My iTunes problems on Windows were more about freaking QT 7, which (a) disabled my QT 6 Pro license forever, with no way to get it back other thank paying - very sleazy fashion, and (b) took over a lot of my browser's multimedia against my will, including screwing up TIFF displays and making it impossible for me to browse patent office drawings (I later got a different addin that corrected this). At any rate, I generally look askance at all media player upgrades - I haven't seen one in years that actually added any technical features or anything else useful - they're all about pushing more ads at you and adding more crippling DRM. I spit on them. Pyuchh... Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:19 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency > > > On 11 jun 2006, at 04.49, Art Simon wrote: > > > Sure enough, I opened my Windows Task Manager and stopped > iTunes, and > > I was able to run the same patches in EnergyXT one buffer > size smaller > > with no glitches. Warren also commented earlier on how > iTunes messed > > up his system, did it have anything to do with this? anyway > to avoid > > this without uninstalling iTunes? > > > I have iTunes on both my OSX and my XP PC's. On the XP PC there are > no extra background processes due to iTunes. But when I open > iTunes I > notice two extra processes: "iTunes.exe" and > "iPodService.exe". After > I have closed down iTunes the iPodService.exe stays active. I use > this PC for concerts with Mobius and I wouldn't open any other > application before I play; it's rock stable. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 11 21:47:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D965A3BEB8; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b0201c68da0$b378f3d0$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000b01c68d9d$77fed890$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:47:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Someone sent me this privately: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Autoruns.html It's the best damn tool I've found yet for cleaning up my startup, what programs startup, services, drivers, etc. Amazing...and free. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Sirota" To: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: RE: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency >I haven't been following this thread - just noticed it by accident, really. > But y'all should know about the Windows Startup Control Panel. Hunt for it > on Google. There are about 6 different ways something can be specified to > start up on boot, and this lets you block all of them, and save your > blocks. > It's simple to use, very convenient, and free. > > My iTunes problems on Windows were more about freaking QT 7, which (a) > disabled my QT 6 Pro license forever, with no way to get it back other > thank > paying - very sleazy fashion, and (b) took over a lot of my browser's > multimedia against my will, including screwing up TIFF displays and making > it impossible for me to browse patent office drawings (I later got a > different addin that corrected this). > > At any rate, I generally look askance at all media player upgrades - I > haven't seen one in years that actually added any technical features or > anything else useful - they're all about pushing more ads at you and > adding > more crippling DRM. I spit on them. Pyuchh... > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:19 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency >> >> >> On 11 jun 2006, at 04.49, Art Simon wrote: >> >> > Sure enough, I opened my Windows Task Manager and stopped >> iTunes, and >> > I was able to run the same patches in EnergyXT one buffer >> size smaller >> > with no glitches. Warren also commented earlier on how >> iTunes messed >> > up his system, did it have anything to do with this? anyway >> to avoid >> > this without uninstalling iTunes? >> >> >> I have iTunes on both my OSX and my XP PC's. On the XP PC there are >> no extra background processes due to iTunes. But when I open >> iTunes I >> notice two extra processes: "iTunes.exe" and >> "iPodService.exe". After >> I have closed down iTunes the iPodService.exe stays active. I use >> this PC for concerts with Mobius and I wouldn't open any other >> application before I play; it's rock stable. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 01:03:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728E33BEB5; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2012.69.155.56.175.1150074235.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <002001c68d2a$f1db1ed0$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> References: <913728d60606101942p435e71cuc5fb8f55e11ae75d@mail.gmail.com> <1229.69.155.51.187.1149997255.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <002001c68d2a$f1db1ed0$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Wanted: MIDI foot controller From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks man! Ha! I'm not sure the wife would see the logic behind that, but it sounds like a great idea to me! --Josh > Congratulations on your kid-to-be. > In my experience newborns don't cost much to run , (unlike money grabbing > teenagers), so treat your self to an FCB - consider it a gift to the > child! > When they grow up you can proudly say " I bought that when you were born - > and it's still. going" !? > > G > > > .......but since my wife is right at a >> month from the due date of our first child, I'd like to save money if >> can. >> So I'm really willing to look at any controller that will get me started >> in looping if I can save a few bucks. >> >> Is anybody here (or perhaps a friend of anybody here) looking to sell a >> used foot controller? Feel free to e-mail me directly if you have >> anything. >> >> Thanks! >> >> --Josh >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 01:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E8123BEB8; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2024.69.155.56.175.1150074332.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <1F6D5136-E2F0-42C5-A34D-2C6B9B5B7A6A@gmail.com> References: <913728d60606101942p435e71cuc5fb8f55e11ae75d@mail.gmail.com> <1229.69.155.51.187.1149997255.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <1F6D5136-E2F0-42C5-A34D-2C6B9B5B7A6A@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:05:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Wanted: MIDI foot controller From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Hmm... I do have a 4-button foot controller for my (now brain-dead) Cyber Twin... --Josh > On 11 jun 2006, at 05.40, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> playing with Mobius a lot lately, >> So I'm really willing to look at any controller that will get me >> started >> in looping if I can save a few bucks. > > > You can use just about anything that sends MIDI. An old drum machine > with buttons, a synth with foot pedal inputs etc etc... I have an old > MC-303 and by putting it on the floor I can tap the buttons with my > feet. You just have to assign the MIDI events to some functions in > the looper. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 01:36:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92D2C3BED0; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:36:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Lexicon Jam-Man available Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1062046290==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:36:30 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1062046290==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale. I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!! It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full loop memory expansion. All of the encoders are working perfectly, too. It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 tracks of looping!), as well as the original software. The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay... $350 !! http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm -- --============_-1062046290==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Lexicon Jam-Man available
I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale.

I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!!

It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full loop memory expansion.

All of the encoders are working perfectly, too.

It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 tracks of looping!), as well as the original software.

The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay...


$350 !!

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html

http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm


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--============_-1062046290==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 02:17:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E3CD3BEC7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:01:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: latency in Repeater and EH-16? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1062043861==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:17:38 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1062043861==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" arghhh ! Latency ! I already ordered the EHQ 2880 . I hope there is no latency in it !! I work with rhyhtm so my latency-tolerance is zero ! I realize that my dream machine is was not invented yet . I need a machine that do loops in Odd meters also ( 5/8, 7/8, 7/4, 5/4 , etc ) but it seems that its no possible . At least I will be able to do 7 or 5 bars of 4/4 and then subdivide it . ex: 7 bars of 4/4 = 4 bars of 7/4 = 8 bars of 7/8 . the ideal machine for me is any meter in any loop all syncronized by midi and with any number of bars each loop . This is really rhyhtm loop freedom . For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I am open to listen/exchange new ideas or to send some of my rhthym mp3 extracts from my CD , Regards Ramiro >I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale. > >I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!! > >It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers >all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full >loop memory expansion. > >All of the encoders are working perfectly, too. > >It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 >tracks of looping!), as well as the original software. > >The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or >EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO >latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay... > > >$350 !! > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm > > >-- --============_-1062043861==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" latency in Repeater and EH-16?
arghhh !
Latency !
I already ordered the EHQ 2880 . I hope there is no latency in it !!
I work with rhyhtm so my latency-tolerance is zero !
I realize that my dream machine is was not invented yet . I need a machine that do loops in Odd meters also ( 5/8, 7/8, 7/4, 5/4 , etc ) but it seems that its no possible . At least I will be able to do 7 or 5 bars of 4/4 and then subdivide it .
ex: 7 bars of 4/4 = 4 bars of 7/4 = 8 bars of 7/8 .

the ideal machine for me is any meter in any loop all syncronized by midi and with any number of bars each loop .
This is really rhyhtm loop freedom .
For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I am open to listen/exchange  new ideas or to send some of my rhthym mp3 extracts from my CD ,
Regards
Ramiro


I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale.

I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!!

It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full loop memory expansion.

All of the encoders are working perfectly, too.

It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 tracks of looping!), as well as the original software.

The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay...


$350 !!

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html

http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm


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--============_-1062043861==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 02:21:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA8FB3BEDF; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JQdIqQREDhPirASwkGP6ungd1y0GJ2Mn0seGhOOWlff2RBm3AKx9V6xQsF11Cd9n5Zhp6V8EXWCOfJRlCogI61BRNVSaACihOznPCG1oiCQ5ylAFXCoG3EeEThoOL41EmMsVuAsbveQl4Esu3jwy9WDnlH2KlAeGsDNR/zNE7aI= ; Message-ID: <20060612022139.51016.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Ninjam Recordings w/ Me and Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0a8d01c68d73$d3d7ab80$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4LzUYD.A.DvH.2-MjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:21:42 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Who knows, with permission of the artist, I may make > a CD at the end of the > year with excerpts of all the internet performances. > I could call it the > "Looper's Delight Ninjam Performance". That sounds like a great idea! Sorry I've been so lame about the Ninjam thing. This impending wedding has become like a part time job! M __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 02:24:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D1743BEE0; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FFHe6RQMUHOaWIyEdQ738os+6gmAMRmL521uNZpm0AKI9Xmdqw3AJV9rq4P/hAsIiKBBsdUV/5Ut5tR5kCkT1jSO9kEZBVcDdNzO/krrQcl0g8tAxJ1LHs1HVi1w7qNlfRyeDrlXfbPCy36r7gL46z0l25Mcx0fSdE/jVGAXXK8= ; Message-ID: <20060612022421.97966.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: latency in Repeater and EH-16? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:24:23 +0000 (UTC) I believe the JamMan allows for odd meters if you have the upgrade installed... It's been along time but I'm sure that was one of the reasons I upgraded the one I had when I had it. --- Ramiro Musotto wrote: > arghhh ! > Latency ! > I already ordered the EHQ 2880 . I hope there is no > latency in it !! > I work with rhyhtm so my latency-tolerance is zero ! > I realize that my dream machine is was not invented > yet . I need a > machine that do loops in Odd meters also ( 5/8, 7/8, > 7/4, 5/4 , etc ) > but it seems that its no possible . At least I will > be able to do 7 > or 5 bars of 4/4 and then subdivide it . > ex: 7 bars of 4/4 = 4 bars of 7/4 = 8 bars of 7/8 . > > the ideal machine for me is any meter in any loop > all syncronized by > midi and with any number of bars each loop . > This is really rhyhtm loop freedom . > For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I > am open to > listen/exchange new ideas or to send some of my > rhthym mp3 extracts > from my CD , > Regards > Ramiro > > > >I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale. > > > >I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than > condemn it to evil-bay!! > > > >It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so > thyat it remembers > >all of your parameter settings after it's powered > off, plus full > >loop memory expansion. > > > >All of the encoders are working perfectly, too. > > > >It also features the latest software update from > Bob Sellon (4 > >tracks of looping!), as well as the original > software. > > > >The sound quality is notably better than my > Electrix repeater or > >EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has > ZERO > >latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second > delay... > > > > > >$350 !! > > > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html > > > >http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm > > > > > >-- > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 02:30:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B81E3BEF0; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BFAvOjJ42ViEQt+rNBP5zX5oONEtTZ8TP/TXxT7IX7CZt6cJXVOb/VWK2CyhfJNJW+wDlFCZg70KZvrqK5XTmegz66/Fh8IC+mt0FW8hyEJsiLAs1tPk0LHMnP6TkrlOSJC4BLtCq/cvjCq+o4TK5imh1ntRVOdnwajn2N7jVDM= ; Message-ID: <20060612023004.363.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: pedal pushers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001801c68d2e$cc0e7770$5d01a8c0@acer81080ea37f> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4BIOcD.A.tL.tGNjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Boy howdy! I don't know why, but there's nothing I hate more than closing a loop. Something about having to focus on that event drives me crazy. I loved the JamMan's ability to just choose the amount of beats you wanted for a loop and let it go.... I'm hoping Mobius will make that possible for me again. --- gareth whittock wrote: > > > > Hey Bill, marriage has made u dyslexic. > > > Ditto here, I ended up not using the RPTRs mute > function because of these > very reasons, it seemed too much of a mind F#@*k. > Bill > > > This brings up an interesting point though. Getting > the balance between > button pushing and getting your phrasing/ emotional > input right. For me they > are mutually exclusive. I'm sure they use different > parts of the brain. I > like nothing better than doing my musical thing > sans pedal pushing. The > performance takes a back seat when I start > twiddling/pressing pedals. I know > some would say that twiddling IS part of the > performance and I agree when, > say, you're mashing/modifying sound that has been > captured but I'm talking > about while you're ACTUALLY playing. The answer > maybe to sequence button > pushing - it's something I'm actively looking into > right now. > > G > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 02:35:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209E83BEF7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:34:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: latency in Repeater and EH-16? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1062042775==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:35:05 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1062042775==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have a 2880 and the latency is NOT a problem. It has less latency than the Line 6 DL4, plus the 2880 has an ANALOG input (labeled AUX) which allows you to mix in another sound source, or use that input as the dry signal with absolutely zero latency. I have modified my EH 16 second delay so that the signal controlled by the "Dry" fader is the analog input, rather than the stock unit which derives the dry signal from the DSP and has some noticible latancy and bandwidth limitations. My modified 16 second delay is for sale, too!! >arghhh ! >Latency ! >I already ordered the EHQ 2880 . I hope there is no latency in it !! >I work with rhyhtm so my latency-tolerance is zero ! >I realize that my dream machine is was not invented yet . I need a >machine that do loops in Odd meters also ( 5/8, 7/8, 7/4, 5/4 , etc >) but it seems that its no possible . At least I will be able to do >7 or 5 bars of 4/4 and then subdivide it . >ex: 7 bars of 4/4 = 4 bars of 7/4 = 8 bars of 7/8 . > >the ideal machine for me is any meter in any loop all syncronized by >midi and with any number of bars each loop . >This is really rhyhtm loop freedom . >For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I am open to >listen/exchange new ideas or to send some of my rhthym mp3 extracts >from my CD , >Regards >Ramiro > > >>I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale. >> >>I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!! >> >>It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers >>all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full >>loop memory expansion. >> >>All of the encoders are working perfectly, too. >> >>It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 >>tracks of looping!), as well as the original software. >> >>The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or >>EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO >>latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay... >> >> >>$350 !! >> >>http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html >> >>http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm >> >> >>-- -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1062042775==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: latency in Repeater and EH-16?


I have a 2880 and the latency is NOT a problem.

It has less latency than the Line 6 DL4, plus the 2880 has an ANALOG input (labeled AUX) which allows you to mix in another sound source, or use that input as the dry signal with absolutely zero latency.

I have modified my EH 16 second delay so that the signal controlled by the "Dry" fader is the analog input, rather than the stock unit which derives the dry signal from the DSP and has some noticible latancy and bandwidth limitations.

My modified 16 second delay is for sale, too!!



arghhh !
Latency !
I already ordered the EHQ 2880 . I hope there is no latency in it !!
I work with rhyhtm so my latency-tolerance is zero !
I realize that my dream machine is was not invented yet . I need a machine that do loops in Odd meters also ( 5/8, 7/8, 7/4, 5/4 , etc ) but it seems that its no possible . At least I will be able to do 7 or 5 bars of 4/4 and then subdivide it .
ex: 7 bars of 4/4 = 4 bars of 7/4 = 8 bars of 7/8 .

the ideal machine for me is any meter in any loop all syncronized by midi and with any number of bars each loop .
This is really rhyhtm loop freedom .
For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I am open to listen/exchange  new ideas or to send some of my rhthym mp3 extracts from my CD ,
Regards
Ramiro


I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale.

I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!!

It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full loop memory expansion.

All of the encoders are working perfectly, too.

It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 tracks of looping!), as well as the original software.

The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay...


$350 !!

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html

http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm


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--============_-1062042775==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 02:37:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4913A3BEFF; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.25.123.47] X-Originating-Email: [ecleverdon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ecleverdon@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "edwin cleverdon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: latency in Repeater and EH-16? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:37:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2006 02:37:45.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FCC9F40:01C68DC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:37:47 +0000 (UTC) the rc-50 has a nice selection of odd time signatures (I don't have it handy, but I believe it has those. I've used 14/8 and 9/8). >From: Ramiro Musotto >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: latency in Repeater and EH-16? >Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:01:16 -0300 > >arghhh ! >Latency ! >I already ordered the EHQ 2880 . I hope there is no latency in it !! >I work with rhyhtm so my latency-tolerance is zero ! >I realize that my dream machine is was not invented yet . I need a machine >that do loops in Odd meters also ( 5/8, 7/8, 7/4, 5/4 , etc ) but it seems >that its no possible . At least I will be able to do 7 or 5 bars of 4/4 and >then subdivide it . >ex: 7 bars of 4/4 = 4 bars of 7/4 = 8 bars of 7/8 . > >the ideal machine for me is any meter in any loop all syncronized by midi >and with any number of bars each loop . >This is really rhyhtm loop freedom . >For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I am open to >listen/exchange new ideas or to send some of my rhthym mp3 extracts from >my CD , >Regards >Ramiro > > >>I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale. >> >>I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!! >> >>It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers all of >>your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full loop memory >>expansion. >> >>All of the encoders are working perfectly, too. >> >>It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 tracks of >>looping!), as well as the original software. >> >>The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or EH-16 >>second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO latency...unlike the >>repeater and the 16 second delay... >> >> >>$350 !! >> >>http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html >> >>http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm >> >> >>-- _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (NW corner, upstairs across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday June 13th . SADU - Sylken, Anomalous Disturbances (Vancouver, BC) and URM with General Chaos Visuals SADU invites you to THE AMBiENT PiNG to bask in some liquid sound paintings, spacious atmospheres and ambient vibes to float your mind on. Eric Hopper (Sylken), Terry O'Brien (Anomalous Disturbances, visiting from Vancouver) and Jamie Todd (URM) team up to bring you an evening of spacey synth washes, looping ambient guitar cascades, rhythmic grooves and virtual laptop soundshaping for your enjoyment. Tonight will also see the release of the new 'SADU LiVE' CD which features deep ambient soundforms performed by Eric, Terry and Jamie during 2005. SADU LiVE will be available from rik @ his ping things CD bar and online store. http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com http://www.sylken.ca http://www.urm.ca Once again, General Chaos Visuals will illuminate the event with moving kaleidoscopic coloured textures. Don't blink. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . in accordance with conscience by PHOLDE This week we preview the upcoming PiNG performance by Pholde and friends on June 27th by playing this 2002 CD. Check out new material by PHOLDE "That Which Tends to Dissuade" from the Gears of Sand label. http://www.pingthings.com/PHOLDEdissuade.htm Between Sets CD . Timbre by William Fields Visit http://www.pingthings.com/WILLIAMFIELDStimbre.htm to find out more about this week's between set CD and tune in to ping things radio every Sun & Wed from 9pm to 12 midnight EST at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment to hear music from this and other discs in the ping things catalogue. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday June 20th . Rob Piilonen, Joshua van Tassel, Todd Pearson aka DJ Syklik and Lyle Crilly Rob, Joshua, Todd and Lyle will be playing an assortment of dreamy improvised pieces, with a strong focus on using potentially rigid instruments in a free flowing and creative manner and having the flute fit in as a sometimes melodic, sometimes electronic/drone based addition. Rob Piilonen: Flute and Effects http://www.myspace.com/robstunes Josh van Tassel: Sampler and percussion http://www.myspace.com/joshuavt Todd Pearson aka DJ Syklik: Turntables Lyle Crilly: Laptop . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday June 12th . AIMToronto presents: From New York: Stephen Gauci - saxophone, Michael Bisio - bass, Jay Rosen - drums -and- PST: Nilan Perera - guitar and electronics, Joe Sorbara - drums, Scott Thomson, trombone w guest trumpeter 'invzbl' (Montreal) 8pm . Arraymusic Studio 60 Atlantic Ave Suite 218 . $10 * Wednesday June 14th . 71ET CD release, Downing/Haynes/West 71ET: Andrew Downing - double bass, Justin Haynes - electric guitar Brodie West - alto saxophone 9:30pm . The Red Guitar (Markham St. just south of Bloor) . $10 * Wednesday June 14th . Poor Pilgrim Series presents Nifty & Wyrd Visions with DJ Colin Bergh 10 PM . Press Club Bar (850 Dundas St. W.) . PWYC * Thursday June 15th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East * Thursday June 15th . Coexistence Series #8 The Coexistence Series is a monthly series of duet performances hosted by pianist Colin Anthony and featuring some of the premier musicians from Toronto's improvised music community. In this month's special edition, radio programmer and sound artist Jim Bailey will walk the sidewalks and back lanes of the Bloor/Spadina area, transmitter and microphone in hand. His signal will be broadcast live over the Tranzac's p.a. system. Performing a series of duets with Bailey will be: Rob Piilonen - flute, Jeff Luciani - drums, Colin Anthony - piano 7:00pm . Tranzac Club * Thursday June 15th . Legendary Pink Dots Lee's Palace (529 Bloor St. W.) . $17.50 * Thursday June 15th . roughidea presents DRAGONS 1976 (Chicago) - Aram Shelton (alto saxophone), Jason Ajemian (double bass), Tim Daisy (drums + percussion) 9:30 pm . Red Guitar Art House Cafe 603 Markham Street . $ 10 * Friday June 16th . roughidea+rms present Ken Vandermark's CINC (Chicago/London) Ken Vandermark (reeds), Paul Lytton (percussion) and Philipp Wachsmann (violin and electronics) 8:00 + 10:30 . Red Guitar Art House Cafe 603 Markham Street $18 Each Set at the Door . Advance $15 (each set) * Friday June 16th . Eric Stach presents THE SCREAM a festival of New Music, Noise/Sound IMPROVISATION a 10 week Friday Night Series May 5th to July 7th Musicians are welcome to drop by and play Place: 105 Clarence Street, London, Ontario, between Hill and South, west of Wellington. 9:30pm -1:00 am Every FRIDAY NIGHT no cover byob * Friday June 16th . Leftover Daylight Series in association with Arraymusic and AIMT 9:00 jutterstrom four (from sweden) [johan jutterstrom (tenor saxophone) nils kakoseos nystrom (guitar) niklas fernqvist (bass) andreas larsson (drums)] 10:00 odradek [james bailey (found + homemade instruments) michelangelo iaffaldano (found + homemade instruments) andy yue (keyboards, synth)] 11:00 brenders/ thomson [kyle brenders (saxophones) scott thomson (trombone) 9:00pm . ARRAYMUSIC Studio 60 Atlantic Ave., Ste/ 218 $10/6 * Friday June 16th . The Ryan Driver Quartet Ryan Driver: piano/human voice, Martin Arnold: guitar, Jean Martin: drums, Chris Banks: bass 10:00 pm . Tranzac (292 Brunswick Ave.) . PWYC * Saturday June 17th . Original Recipe with Polmo Polpo and I Am Robot And Proud Lounge 88 (14 Clinton St.) . PWYC * Saturday June 17th . Jesse Stewart CD Release Concerts 8 pm . Registry Theatre in Kitchener (122 Frederick St.) . $10 * Sunday June 18th . The NOW Series presented by AIMToronto and the NOW Lounge 4:00- Invsbl, solo trumpet 5:00- Mike Hanson, turntables; Sorressa Gardner, soundsinging and laptop; Piotr Mickalowski, saxophone. 6:00- Trio Muo: Glen Hall, woodwinds; Joe Sorbara, drums; Michael Morse, bass. 4-7pm . The NOW Lounge 189 Church St. . $6 * Sunday June 18th . The Music Gallery'S 30Th Anniversary Fundraiser + Season Finale Featuring: Eve Egoyan & Anne Bourne; Ccmc; Tasa; Wyrd Visions; Peter Lutek & Tom Richards; Castlemusic The Music Gallery closes our 30th anniversary season with a summertime fundraiser celebrating our humble yet auspicious origins and our renewed vision for the future. About the event: The event will feature musicians representing a cross-section of the Gallery's history, performing cabaret-style in various locations throughout our space at St. George the Martyr Church, including: Eve Egoyan & Anne Bourne (acclaimed pianist & cellist in rare duo performance); CCMC (improv collective and Music Gallery founders; featuring world-renowned artists John Oswald, Michael Snow and Paul Dutton); Tasa (Ravi Naimpally's tabla-jazz fusionists, recently featured on the cover of eye Weekly); Wyrd Visions (neo-psychedelic folk artist performs in the Fellowship Room)); Peter Lutek & Tom Richards (sax & trombone duo performing in the courtyard); Castlemusic (Jennifer Castle plays her avant-country songs in the courtyard) 7PM . 197 John St. . $30 regular/$25 member/$15 student * Sunday June 18th . Jesse Stewart CD Release Concerts 7pm . Macdonald Stewart Art Centre in Guelph ( 358 Gordon St. at College Ave.) . $10 * Sunday June 18th . WAveLength Gastric Female Reflex, Synthetic Folk Hero and Crank Sturgeon 9pm . Sneaky Dee's . $PWYC * Sunday June 18th . Lina Allemano Four "Brodie's Back In Town Festival" Lina Allemano trumpet; Brodie West alto saxophone; Andrew Downing bass; Nick Fraser drums. 10pm . Tranzac (292 Brunswick Ave) * Monday June 19th . CRANK STURGEON, Brian Ruryk, Charles Balls and the Cincinatti Single-File and Jacob Horwood. CRANK STURGEON's interests as of late are removing most if not all of his clothing, fastening a cardboard or plastic sturgeon headdress to himself (with various outgrowths of tubing and springs that may or may not serve a purpose) and manufacturing zany bouts of aural dislocation out of a series of cheap electronics and homemade gadgetry props. BRIAN RURYK is an ex-folley editor taking risks with his neighbourhood recycling! 23 Fanta bottles, 14 ravioli & artichoke cans and 156 pieces of shelving & office discard succumb to natural forces (ie. gravity, deflection and acoustic genocide) all set to "bluegrass" guitar playing and slippery tape stop and start. since his recent return to live performance the Tide company have issued caution that their containers, once emptied, are to be recycled - not used as footballs or other outlets of leisure... CHARLES BALLS AND THE CINCINATTI SINGLE-FILE is andrew of gfreflex (sampler, slide whistle, mixer), michelangelo of odradek (clarinet) and zoe of master (reed) playing to a prerecorded reel. expect the evocation of archie shepp accumulating on the saran of concrete bemusement. Jacob Horwood aka Fudge Whoregagger plays in gfreflex as well and likes to use reel to reel, modified electronics and sampler. second solo performance offers to be the awkward moisture you so often seep in the seat of your denim dreams. excessive body-odour makes its appearance as fidgety psedo-collage fiesta! 9pm . Neutral (349-A College Street, entrance off of Augusta) . $5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 02:51:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 632473BF13; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:51:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: rc50 plus 2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:51:44 +0000 (UTC) So , the dream setup would be the 2880 hooked up to a rc50 ? Will the 2880 slave ok to an odd meter loop midi signal from the RC 50 ? odd meters and differents lenghts of bars from rc 50 and instantly reverse mix , pan in 2880? sounds good . thanks ramiro >the rc-50 has a nice selection of odd time signatures (I don't have >it handy, but I believe it has those. I've used 14/8 and 9/8). > >>From: Ramiro Musotto >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: latency in Repeater and EH-16? >>Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:01:16 -0300 >> >>arghhh ! >>Latency ! >>I already ordered the EHQ 2880 . I hope there is no latency in it !! >>I work with rhyhtm so my latency-tolerance is zero ! >>I realize that my dream machine is was not invented yet . I need a >>machine that do loops in Odd meters also ( 5/8, 7/8, 7/4, 5/4 , etc >>) but it seems that its no possible . At least I will be able to do >>7 or 5 bars of 4/4 and then subdivide it . >>ex: 7 bars of 4/4 = 4 bars of 7/4 = 8 bars of 7/8 . >> >>the ideal machine for me is any meter in any loop all syncronized >>by midi and with any number of bars each loop . >>This is really rhyhtm loop freedom . >>For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I am open to >>listen/exchange new ideas or to send some of my rhthym mp3 >>extracts from my CD , >>Regards >>Ramiro >> >>>I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale. >>> >>>I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!! >>> >>>It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it remembers >>>all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, plus full >>>loop memory expansion. >>> >>>All of the encoders are working perfectly, too. >>> >>>It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 >>>tracks of looping!), as well as the original software. >>> >>>The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or >>>EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO >>>latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay... >>> >>> >>>$350 !! >>> >>>http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html >>> >>>http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm >>> >>> >>>-- > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 03:15:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F963BF06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:15:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: rc50 plus 2880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:15:41 +0000 (UTC) This would be an interesting combination, however, since you are a percussionist you might be unhappy with the way that the RC-50 handles tempo changes from an external clock. The 2880 actually speeds up and slows down exactly like tape. No timestretching or glitching. >So , the dream setup would be the 2880 hooked up to a rc50 ? >Will the 2880 slave ok to an odd meter loop midi signal from the RC 50 ? >odd meters and differents lenghts of bars from rc 50 and instantly >reverse mix , pan in 2880? >sounds good . >thanks >ramiro > >>>>I have a fully upgraded Jam-Man for sale. >>>> >>>>I'd rather offer it here to a fellow looper than condemn it to evil-bay!! >>>> >>>>It has the non-volitile p-ram chip installed so thyat it >>>>remembers all of your parameter settings after it's powered off, >>>>plus full loop memory expansion. >>>> >>>>All of the encoders are working perfectly, too. >>>> >>>>It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 >>>>tracks of looping!), as well as the original software. >>>> >>>>The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or >>>>EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO >>>>latency...unlike the repeater and the 16 second delay... >>>> >>>> >>>>$350 !! >>>> >>>>http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html >>>> >>>>http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - >>it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 05:08:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D403B3BEDE; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4D3D0D08-F807-4D81-B48B-85547D9595A6@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ryan Raphael Subject: only for guitars? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:08:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Does looping software only work for guitars? I'd like to use one with an acoustic piano.. will that work, if I hook up my looping module to a mic or something? That's all, thanks to anyone who has the answer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 06:12:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A7893BEB9; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sb3nZhcrwZTfIQJAHACPXW94uxirb3a5aE5vLU5qGF+Zbq9hfURSHaPNSNunMH++i5gIvRDNJ1ql+QGBkFiZaV2BEi4YKb3C96Y0tk5+qbPqb61itqyYhNplBdYFXyUkUdSaQSn/pskiU2TGRiXjtirTvG/zcoPlcxY0M7t8iA0= ; Message-ID: <20060612061219.55691.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: latency in Repeater and EH-16? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Ramiro i am absolutely interested,i welcome your mp3s! cheers Luis > >For those interested in these rhyhtm questions , I > am open to > >listen/exchange new ideas or to send some of my > rhthym mp3 extracts from > >my CD , > >Regards > >Ramiro __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 06:40:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DF303BEB6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4w54CoY4GZCoqgnSWag89OTbhAT7pA1ZdArdXTITuWcm7yaPMLaeZYWb9Abjlm3OZVMwZXKchJVrEl1/kacqrr2iXfaEMnejRye4oXvQ76t+wuqSU/4v7kDNzAjn+bZGBnZZyNZrexurD8wKjjqiS4oSyMm/9A8oxPjX4TS+INg= ; Message-ID: <20060612064012.83493.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: More on Snap, Crackle, Pop: iTunes and audio Latency To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0b0201c68da0$b378f3d0$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:14 +0000 (UTC) valuable thanx Kris! Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Someone sent me this privately: > http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Autoruns.html > > It's the best damn tool I've found yet for cleaning > up my startup, what > programs startup, services, drivers, etc. > Amazing...and free. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 06:48:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E913BED0; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JnC89T+XSk+dkDzRHR6pBizLLWLFjEPLOHRFSYCqX7/07dHMyjn+V5kRxs6NVTe8KNzUlzK+y+UejR9IXRiX29L6Q39tubg1PvY++Yp7i3GeB/5tcsvT8liOKD+Ab/vL+05NuEmsEYGK0H51VErUbQqnLVpMFPFdn3JJMXemaZs= ; Message-ID: <20060612064829.33939.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Also check the latest software upgrade for the FCB1010 i believe(but not sure) there is a toggle function now to have the button light indicator either on or off which could help u see the state of the muted/unmuted tracks,i know the PMC10 could do this. Luis --- monk wrote: > zoe, > > have you considered having a separate controller > that only mutes > and un-mutes? i know it's a hassle to have more > gear, but having a > dedicated second controller would allow you to have > the even numbers > be mute-off and odd numbers be mute-on or something. > at the start of > each song you could just hit a switch that un-mutes > everything. it > would be easier than restarting the repeaters. also, > i use the lake > butler midigator which allows you to have quite a > few more cc and pc > messages, i believe. they're getting harder to find, > but i have an > extra i could loan you to try, if you like. let me > know off-list if > you'd like to try it. > > peace > > > ric hordinski > > www.richordinski.com > www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > www.myspace.com/monasterystudio > > monk@fuse.net > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 07:21:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460813BEB5; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4D3D0D08-F807-4D81-B48B-85547D9595A6@comcast.net> References: <4D3D0D08-F807-4D81-B48B-85547D9595A6@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <039e0ac2c8c0a6aeaffc40a164fd1a9e@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: only for guitars? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:21:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Not for guitars only! You can hook up a mic and loop anything that=20 makes sound from a bagpipe to a coffee grinder..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 11, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Ryan Raphael wrote: > Does looping software only work for guitars? > I'd like to use one with an acoustic piano.. will that work, > if I hook up my looping module to a mic or something? > > That's all, thanks to anyone who has the answer. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 08:03:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACA8F3BEAF; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Zv9kSa3wD0KpdEfc6f/1JTDALDRtXiZ1rv330PvvctoevL9p6Tk3Q4SPDbvh3WQrJwRlBnsys3uYvrtEMVEHKdlzFm7fys7t0hsDJbQ57JOlS7TcbpegUo9iDk3o3Xd7W9Cp7fqx3zXqRUtCl4Tr3wLFPPVdldW+Iqhyor/TIX0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060612023004.363.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060612023004.363.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6128D829-FD8A-458C-9053-8D4501E42D20@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: pedal pushers Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:03:06 +0000 (UTC) On 12 jun 2006, at 04.30, mark sottilaro wrote: > Boy howdy! I don't know why, but there's nothing I > hate more than closing a loop. Something about having > to focus on that event drives me crazy. I loved the > JamMan's ability to just choose the amount of beats > you wanted for a loop and let it go.... I don't understand exactly what you mean here... Don't you have to specify the tempo first, or sync the jamman to a master clock? I remember an old post by you where you said you like to use a groove box as the master clock, so I guess you want to run the looper synced? > I'm hoping > Mobius will make that possible for me again. I would guess you will find some way to do that in Mobius, because it offers many ways to define the loop length before actually playing some noise into a loop. But all these techniques relies on deciding on a tempo first. One way can be to set the quantization to "8ths per cycle = 1". I usually like having it set to 16 or 128 (or not quantized at all) but for some actions, like changing loop I prefer the "1" setting, so I can push the "Next Loop" button at any moment within the span of the last bar before I plan to go into the next loop. To be able to use different quantizing resolutions for different actions I wrote a script that first changes the quantize setting, then moves to the Next Loop and changes back to whatever quantize setting you where playing in before the pedal press. Scripts you write appear in Mobius among the pre-defined commands so you can simply assign any MIDI pedal/button to trigger the script. Another way to avoid having to close the loop is to set up Mobius to copy the loop length, either when going into a new loop on the same track or when moving from a loop on one track into a new track. In both cases an empty loop will be auto-created (on the same track or the new track) and it will be of the same length as the first loop. A third way is to use the Instant Multiply function. I like that for setting up drum loops by vocal beatboxing on one track. Start out with a simple one bar beat. Hit "next loop" (with "Copy Sound" activated) and while the same audio is now playing back in this new loop you hit Instant Multiply to make it three or four times longer, just in time so you can punch in a fill at the last quarter note or so. With the latest Mobius version these settings (that used to be global) can be defined as track unique settings. So if you want, you can have your own set-up with tracks behaving a little differently, thus allowing you to use specific looping techniques on certain tracks. Lots of fun to be had with that :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 08:09:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65273BEB2; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:09:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi guys > I'd start by checking the midi controller for bad settings. These > settings are very basic to the operation of Ableton Live, and should > work, before injecting weird control-software into the mix. I still don't know if I'll be happy with Ableton for "Live" situations. There seem to be no keyboard/midi controlls for setting the meter. How am I going to switch from 4/4 to 7/8? One thing encouraging: Kid Beyond seems to use control-software quite successfully. Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 08:21:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 921B73BEC7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RgrFQgt7lamMAWZ2rB1WHs9WlG5ipeSid7eJunw2DhDjhOdgVrDe1SuZx46ZEKVC7oX6dKtOsjFhzYzYqcDmc0rpdFhiyf/Qee+oEqwYU9euLe1o6fKDYk7SCFvymDE2jeMBiWQRgSnhupzUs32/VF1wy2vl0rvJlz28Ejtpy4k= In-Reply-To: <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:20:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:21:06 +0000 (UTC) On 12 jun 2006, at 10.09, Buzap Buzap wrote: > I still don't know if I'll be happy with Ableton for "Live" > situations. There seem to be no keyboard/midi controlls for setting > the meter. How am I going to switch from 4/4 to 7/8? Manually, by using the mouse. Unfortunately. > One thing encouraging: Kid Beyond seems to use control-software > quite successfully. If you're interested in his set-up he posted a detailed description on this list, maybe a year back or so. Might be possible to find by searching the archives. The most important part is to use a third- party software that translates external (controller) MIDI events into computer key stroke code. That way you can control all the stuff in Ableton that can not be mapped to external MIDI. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 09:06:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CC9C3BEB9; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 Tone Core Verbzilla X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: ID = 8cfe6631330ccd671b7a9ae3e8d6a5d7 Reply-To: decadence@excite.com From: "Monica Lokisdottir" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: decadence@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Importance: High X-Priority: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060612090624.2CFC93744D@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Reptilian Guitar Diva here with yet another unasked for low-tech gear review... Line 6 ToneCore Verbzilla. I have to say that I was at once simultaneously totally unimpressed and underwhelmed with part of this thing - yet at the same time equally far out groovin' on the rest. IMHO this pedal somehow manages to at once totally suck and totally rule. Here's why: The unimpressive: Just another inferior budget version of plate/gate/hall/tiles/ etc.studio set up + some reverbs and delays - which are canned and seem to me yet another cheap Lexicon imitation. This sucks. Get Lexicon. These parts of this pedal are just totally lame and the reverbs and delays are cheap knock-offs of the usual standards and nothing to write home about. La de da....yawn... The impressive: Despite the overall lameness factors, at the same time, playing around with the controls, you can get some very far out cool and unexpected tone capabilities that are very surprising, innovative and amazing and perfect for music like prog/experimental/ambient/looping etc. Good trails and space/canyon/suspense futurist types of tones and effects that are totally wild and cool and great kicks. So especially if you can get a deal on one, as I did, I would then say definitely go for it you will definitely enhance your overall tonal bliss. Monica _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 12:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1831A3BEB5; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c68e1d$88c44e00$d6b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060612064829.33939.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:41:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Just a note that I have a PMC-10 fully functional and ready to rock... $225 I wouldn't sell it as it's far more functional than the other units out there... money crunch time and it's time to lose more gear. -Miko ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? > Also check the latest software upgrade for the FCB1010 > i believe(but not sure) there is a toggle function now > to have the button light indicator either on or off > which could help u see the state of the muted/unmuted > tracks,i know the PMC10 could do this. > Luis > > --- monk wrote: > > > zoe, > > > > have you considered having a separate controller > > that only mutes > > and un-mutes? i know it's a hassle to have more > > gear, but having a > > dedicated second controller would allow you to have > > the even numbers > > be mute-off and odd numbers be mute-on or something. > > at the start of > > each song you could just hit a switch that un-mutes > > everything. it > > would be easier than restarting the repeaters. also, > > i use the lake > > butler midigator which allows you to have quite a > > few more cc and pc > > messages, i believe. they're getting harder to find, > > but i have an > > extra i could loan you to try, if you like. let me > > know off-list if > > you'd like to try it. > > > > peace > > > > > > ric hordinski > > > > www.richordinski.com > > www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > > www.myspace.com/monasterystudio > > > > monk@fuse.net > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 12:45:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B78973BEC1; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=H8Q3AXRpzdDWdMNj60cV8EarwbiGsVp4f6OgCfYQXiGmkMGxJvnPasRHbjkf/Ts1NOHA4KxmjlW7U5e8Ocn/Pglgm65g/vdJcdezbXNYj9jksVqt7BK62tTW6riRf2Oyvqeual8OlaN6ARJq8FJBqYS6msaMtMI/i7171myQE7U= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: pedal pushers Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:45:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060612023004.363.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcaNyB5rZtl8Ci7QSM6iYEjqlahbXgAVaoHA Message-Id: <20060612124547.E7ADC3BEA9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:45:48 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- > Getting the balance > between button pushing and getting your phrasing/ emotional input > right. are we still talking about marriage? 8^{/} m http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 13:22:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34A123BEB8; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: internet jam partners Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:22:28 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000801c68e23$41c72e90$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <0a8d01c68d73$d3d7ab80$f2b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcaNc9WKtyWm/1ScRc6Ehdr7IQJ2FgArrsVg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:22:37 +0000 (UTC) > Who knows, with permission of the artist, I may make a CD at > the end of the year with excerpts of all the internet > performances. I could call it the "Looper's Delight Ninjam > Performance". ...which is something I intend to do as well, given more artists accept to play with me (so far, Krispen Hartung, Rick Walker and Charlie Milkey). Ok, again a call for performers! Who would be interested to do a virtual internet session? style: (open) instruments: horn players, singers and drummers/percussionists preferred, but other musicians alos welcome! technology: any of Ninjam, shoutcast or the www.t-u-b-e.de plugin. As an example for an internat jam, may I again point you to http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm (more recordings are on their way!) More on my background as well as links to some of my other stuff via www.moinlabs.de Please contact me offlist, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 13:42:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B28B3BEB8; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mjjV93K/mav9TaELvCANanms/qstG3c0+egxPHhIDl3QXvbwJHz5gNYCh9JSfYfV0mvjz4mBUN+m8lYNgqq/+Np3XwIUp0em5+Ow7sFr+7bjc1Jyc/QtledU6XHvotftBgaDwAyBXzAxKOhkRVzEqA4G9RK3h9aOVpEbnB8HgWI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060612124547.E7ADC3BEA9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060612124547.E7ADC3BEA9@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85A6ECB7-4864-457F-AF5F-C410B09CA18A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: pedal pushers Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:42:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:42:44 +0000 (UTC) >> Getting the balance >> between button pushing and getting your phrasing/ emotional input >> right. > > On 12 jun 2006, at 14.45, murkie wrote: > > are we still talking about marriage? > > 8^{/} > > m LOL! Brilliant! p ;-)) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 14:10:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7013BEB9; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:10:02 +0200 Message-ID: <20060612141002.192780@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> Subject: Ableton & Odd meters (was: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per > > [on Ableton:] How am I going to switch from 4/4 to 7/8? > Manually, by using the mouse. Unfortunately. Yeah, just figured that out. I'm not able to set any keyboard or midi shortcuts for global meter. :-( (maybe some Mac Automation workaround?) I'm still experimenting with Ableton Live & Odd meters. Some success: - You can set a tempo for each scene. This way, you can duplicate a scene, assign different tempo to it and every time you switch scene global tempo will adjust. (Nice stuff, alas, no key/midi mapping possible) - I have created a file with default scenes where each scene has a midi clip with 4/8, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8 or 11/8 meter. This sounds much better than the obnoxious metronome and can be good starting point for an odd meter loop. (i.e. close/open hihat 7/8: one-two,one-two,one-two-three). - This way, I can start with the default file, select the scene with my desired meter, start playing this scene with my desired midi clip - Set global tempo to x/8 (with mouse :-( ) - Duplicate the scene with my desired tempo several times - and there we go! - Alternatively, probably you could create various files with different meters (maybe, with midi controller software: i.e. open prepared file for each meter setting?) - I have prepared 9 audio tracks. I have assigned Number Pads 1-9 on keyboard to mount track 2-10 for recording. - When I launch a scene, all other tracks playback and the mounted track starts recording - sweet! (you need to select global preference "record on launch ON" to be able to do this, though) [on Kid Beyond] > The most important part is to use a third- > party software that translates external (controller) MIDI events Yes, thank you. I have actually posted an update on Kid Beyond's setup, since he's switched from Windows to Powerbook Mac. When I have a choice, I actually always opt for the hardware choice. So, I'll wait for my RC-50 and give it a chance. Still, Ableton is very tempting. Especially combining loops with the effect section is very attractive. Now I need to experiment with effects. If the Ableton setup works, I could get a footcontroller. best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 14:34:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A1393BEC7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lD1BFpk15PmH2V+CogkrsHHmR16MfAYkCbqfQ1CPLi6KqAN6hcZpR3ymtaHIqrar/EJyZbsNANh66KlvJSUwBn0vFpl9cnpFgFq+5Ar5JZ0ik+Jlq7jo6JD+UwvRxdBxzNf1dWdfw7NeziU2Wv9HN/JKHRSD+4RppIhv+E6KXdI= In-Reply-To: <20060612141002.192780@gmx.net> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> <20060612141002.192780@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton & Odd meters (was: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me?) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:34:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:34:33 +0000 (UTC) On 12 jun 2006, at 16.10, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Per > >>> [on Ableton:] How am I going to switch from 4/4 to 7/8? >> Manually, by using the mouse. Unfortunately. > Yeah, just figured that out. I'm not able to set any keyboard or > midi shortcuts for global meter. :-( (maybe some Mac Automation > workaround?) I don't think so. Since there is no computer keys for changing the meter I don't think it can be done with the help of MIDI Stroke http://www.charlie-roberts.com/ > I'm still experimenting with Ableton Live & Odd meters. > Some success: > - You can set a tempo for each scene. This way, you can duplicate a > scene, assign different tempo to it and every time you switch scene > global tempo will adjust. (Nice stuff, alas, no key/midi mapping > possible) Oh, you can assign different key/MIDI to every scene! Simply assign it to the corresponding cell on the master track column at the right. > - I have created a file with default scenes where each scene has a > midi clip with 4/8, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8 or 11/8 meter. This sounds much > better than the obnoxious metronome and can be good starting point > for an odd meter loop. (i.e. close/open hihat 7/8: one-two,one- > two,one-two-three). Yes, that was the way I handled odd meters when looping with the hardware combo EDP/Repeater. Simply dividing the loops/bars/cycles with anything that goes with the meter. Like, if you want to play and loop in 5/4 you can still use Ableton set to 4/4 but you can not quantize to one bar or a half note etc. You may quantize to 1/8 and then make the loops ten eights long. Like I was using the divisor "8ths per cycle = 10" on the EDP to play in 5/4. > > - When I launch a scene, all other tracks playback and the mounted > track starts recording - sweet! (you need to select global > preference "record on launch ON" to be able to do this, though) Yes, that's nifty. Ableton is a good looper if you like to create stable loops that stay the same over time. Personally I like it better to loop with maybe only one to three loops going at the same time and then instantly changing the loops by either overdubbiing layers or punching in/out slices (or transposing pitch). Those are two general concepts of looping that differ a lot in praxis. > So, I'll wait for my RC-50 and give it a chance. Still, Ableton is > very tempting. Especially combining loops with the effect section > is very attractive. Ideed! Ableton is an fx box on stereoids!!! ;-) > Now I need to experiment with effects. If the Ableton setup works, > I could get a footcontroller. Don't forget to check out Abletons Ping-Pong delay plug-in! It has a Freeze Loop function that you can assign to any foot pedal and also a feedback knob that you can assign to a MIDI pedal. So you can actually run plenty of tracks with one Ping-Pong delay each and use it as a "rack of stereo loopers". Like a rudimentary Mobius but with loads of cool effects thrown in ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 16:04:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F3713BEC5; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: pedal pushers Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071CEA@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <6128D829-FD8A-458C-9053-8D4501E42D20@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pedal pushers Thread-Index: AcaN9qQUFOSYwpwNTNyDsnwQMktd5gAQoR3Q From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-u-ZeB.A.YNG.ICZjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) > On 12 jun 2006, at 04.30, mark sottilaro wrote: >=20 > Boy howdy! I don't know why, but there's nothing I > hate more than closing a loop. Something about having > to focus on that event drives me crazy. I loved the > JamMan's ability to just choose the amount of beats > you wanted for a loop and let it go.... Thanks Per, good suggestions. Two more options: - Record a silent track to serve as the timing master for the others, this track defines the tempo and cycle length but has no audible content. Then switch to another track with the Track Sync parameter set to Loop. =20 Press Record once, recording begins when the master track reaches it's=20 start point. Press Record again anywhere in the middle of the loop=20 and the recording automatically ends when the master track reaches it's start point. The second track may contain more than one cycle of the master track. - Write a script that calls the Record function, waits for the desired number of milliseconds, then calls Record again. e.g. =20 !name Record 4 Seconds Record Wait msec 4000 Record The second approach doesn't require you to tap in a tempo but the problem I have with it is that there is no visible clue where the "beats" are. So unless you have a very accurate mental clock, it is hard to record something in the right tempo. =20 It has been awhile since I've used a Jamman, does it flash an LED to let you know the tempo? With a little more work we could write a script that displayed "countdown" messages for a bar before starting the recording to give a feel for the tempo. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 16:08:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F32F3BED5; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1150128481.448d9161a14bb@imp4-g19.free.fr> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:08:01 +0200 From: daviD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Somae info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 83.198.199.23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Some information were posted on the electrix forum (don't jump, it's just a bit of explanation for the delay on the mk2, no dates announced, etc.) : http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9729&Searchpage=1&Main=9691&Words=+Electrix&topic=&Search=true#Post9729 I'd like to believe them and to think that I could buy a new repeater mk2 soon... "Simulating the true sounds and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 16:29:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4C053BED0; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060612141002.192780@gmx.net> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> <20060612141002.192780@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:29:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: Re: Ableton & Odd meters (was: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Great !! Which of those functions can you do it using only the footpedal ? Or Its possible to use Live Ableton only with a midi footpedal (free hands?). thanks ramiro >Hi Per > >> > [on Ableton:] How am I going to switch from 4/4 to 7/8? >> Manually, by using the mouse. Unfortunately. >Yeah, just figured that out. I'm not able to set any keyboard or >midi shortcuts for global meter. :-( (maybe some Mac Automation >workaround?) > >I'm still experimenting with Ableton Live & Odd meters. >Some success: >- You can set a tempo for each scene. This way, you can duplicate a >scene, assign different tempo to it and every time you switch scene >global tempo will adjust. (Nice stuff, alas, no key/midi mapping >possible) >- I have created a file with default scenes where each scene has a >midi clip with 4/8, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8 or 11/8 meter. This sounds much >better than the obnoxious metronome and can be good starting point >for an odd meter loop. (i.e. close/open hihat 7/8: >one-two,one-two,one-two-three). > - This way, I can start with the default file, select the scene >with my desired meter, start playing this scene with my desired midi >clip > - Set global tempo to x/8 (with mouse :-( ) > - Duplicate the scene with my desired tempo several times - and >there we go! > - Alternatively, probably you could create various files with >different meters (maybe, with midi controller software: i.e. open >prepared file for each meter setting?) >- I have prepared 9 audio tracks. I have assigned Number Pads 1-9 on >keyboard to mount track 2-10 for recording. >- When I launch a scene, all other tracks playback and the mounted >track starts recording - sweet! (you need to select global >preference "record on launch ON" to be able to do this, though) > >[on Kid Beyond] >> The most important part is to use a third- >> party software that translates external (controller) MIDI events >Yes, thank you. I have actually posted an update on Kid Beyond's >setup, since he's switched from Windows to Powerbook Mac. > >When I have a choice, I actually always opt for the hardware choice. >So, I'll wait for my RC-50 and give it a chance. Still, Ableton is >very tempting. Especially combining loops with the effect section is >very attractive. >Now I need to experiment with effects. If the Ableton setup works, I >could get a footcontroller. > >best regards > >Buzap >-- > > >"Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... >Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 16:37:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D153BECF; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hXtIFXRm9KuiXI20veBjNcQggUWUxsdti9mrMKKXpAa6DcaHNrczDFxjacYjaObEvxoMaDK4w0c0VDUaY9fO1w1ZFeAi94gWzWbHADFP5Ga/vKeJLCCzEYJNBuidg1sNx06sDy6JyIp3ACDAuXPs8j2wQe2FFiBwFxyFZXgfApI= ; Message-ID: <20060612163749.5270.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Somae info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1150128481.448d9161a14bb@imp4-g19.free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Maybe they've got to redesign the power supply too. That takes about a year based on past experience. Mark --- daviD wrote: > Some information were posted on the electrix forum > (don't jump, it's just a bit > of explanation for the delay on the mk2, no dates > announced, etc.) : > > http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9729&Searchpage=1&Main=9691&Words=+Electrix&topic=&Search=true#Post9729 > > I'd like to believe them and to think that I could > buy a new repeater mk2 > soon... > > > "Simulating the true sounds and making carefully. > Many colours a lot, selected freely by you." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 16:52:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C093BECF; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MnnQ3qEKjVmYGnU55w3bYbYq2V6wGrzS+DPlrk6F4HCHy6xEDueLEPWo3h0MKfqcKmHb4amOVit6KUDIj9ueBkm12M2Y58zy7SGJbn4X0hRzxFsgdve6qHQxVvVbbp78DBmg+3LoH2+tCYevRV/39VJDVU2HEGlPSFtttINycLg= ; Message-ID: <20060612165256.64586.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: pedal pushers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6128D829-FD8A-458C-9053-8D4501E42D20@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:52:57 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > Don't you have to > specify the tempo first, or sync the jamman to a > master clock? I > remember an old post by you where you said you like > to use a groove > box as the master clock, so I guess you want to run > the looper synced? Yup, I'm almost always synced to a master clock. I just want to be able to predefine how many 8th notes my loop length is and then use a midi message to initate the start of my loop recording but have it automatically go into OD (or play) at the end of how many 8th notes I've set the loop length too. I think I an probably figure out a way to make this happen. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 17:33:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CA183BED2; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701c68e4a$193eada0$e4ac7ec8@pcmaria> References: <001701c68e4a$193eada0$e4ac7ec8@pcmaria> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:33:19 -0300 To: "Maria Carrascal" From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: loopers Cc: "contacto@marianabaraj. com. ar" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1061988894==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:33:49 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1061988894==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable maria: salgo el domingo a Europa . para mariana : la mejor es electroharmonix 2880,=20 y q se compre la pedalera tambien . estaria=20 buenisimo si la compra porque tendriamos la misma=20 =2E la rc50 boss es muy buena pero complicada de usar=20 (todavia no esta a la venta al publico , solo 20=20 de junio . la copio en este email : mariana: inscribite en el forum Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com si queres estar al tanto . estan todos los=20 looperos mas grossos hablando de loops todo el=20 dia . para inscribirte pone "subscribe" en el texto y=20 tambien en el asunto y manda a esta direccion . Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com estoy investigando hace un mes . la mejor hoy en=20 dia para lo q hacemos , segun mi conclusion es la=20 electroharmonix 2880 , con la pedalera . total=20 600 dolares en USA o Europa . sdalio hace un mes . no la tiene nadie , pero en=20 el forum estan los pocos q ya se la compraron .=20 besos ramiro >est=E1 probando con una que le prest=F3 un guitarrista y esta semana prueba= otra. >Despu=E9s te digo la marca porque no recuerdo. >Estoy tratando de recuperar una grabaci=F3n de una=20 >tocada en vivo en Radio Nacional y ah=ED hay un=20 >tema con la maquinita. >Ya est=E1s en europa? porque te la quiero mandar=20 >para que vayas pensando ideas para el disco. > > > >un beso >>>> --============_-1061988894==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable loopers
maria:
salgo el domingo  a Europa .

para mariana : la mejor es electroharmonix 2880, y q se compre la pedalera tambien . estaria buenisimo si la compra porque tendriamos la misma .
la rc50 boss es muy buena pero complicada de usar (todavia no esta a la venta al publico , solo 20 de junio .
la copio en este email :
mariana:
inscribite en el forum  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
si queres estar al tanto . estan todos los looperos mas grossos hablando de loops todo el dia .
para inscribirte pone "subscribe" en el texto y tambien en el asunto y manda a esta direccion .
Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

estoy investigando hace un mes . la mejor hoy en dia para lo q hacemos , segun mi conclusion es la electroharmonix 2880 , con la pedalera . total 600 dolares en USA o Europa .
sdalio hace un mes . no la tiene nadie , pero en el forum estan los pocos q ya se la compraron . besos
ramiro


est=E1 probando con una que le prest=F3 un guitarrista y esta semana prueba otra.
Despu=E9s te digo la marca porque no recuerdo.
Estoy tratando de recuperar una grabaci=F3n de una tocada en vivo en Radio Nacional y ah=ED hay un tema con la maquinita.
Ya est=E1s en europa? porque te la quiero mandar para que vayas pensando ideas para el disco.
 
 
 
un beso


--============_-1061988894==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 17:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 940BC3BED0; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001701c68e4a$193eada0$e4ac7ec8@pcmaria> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:38:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: Re: loopers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1061988605==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <7EFEyC.A.9uB.WaajEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:38:30 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1061988605==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry , was a mistake , this email was for a friend . >maria: >salgo el domingo a Europa . > >para mariana : la mejor es electroharmonix 2880,=20 >y q se compre la pedalera tambien . estaria=20 >buenisimo si la compra porque tendriamos la=20 >misma . >la rc50 boss es muy buena pero complicada de=20 >usar (todavia no esta a la venta al publico ,=20 >solo 20 de junio . >la copio en este email : >mariana: >inscribite en el forum Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >si queres estar al tanto . estan todos los=20 >looperos mas grossos hablando de loops todo el=20 >dia . >para inscribirte pone "subscribe" en el texto y=20 >tambien en el asunto y manda a esta direccion . >Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >estoy investigando hace un mes . la mejor hoy en=20 >dia para lo q hacemos , segun mi conclusion es=20 >la electroharmonix 2880 , con la pedalera .=20 >total 600 dolares en USA o Europa . >sdalio hace un mes . no la tiene nadie , pero en=20 >el forum estan los pocos q ya se la compraron .=20 >besos >ramiro > > >>est=E1 probando con una que le prest=F3 un guitarrista y esta semana= prueba otra. >>Despu=E9s te digo la marca porque no recuerdo. >>Estoy tratando de recuperar una grabaci=F3n de=20 >>una tocada en vivo en Radio Nacional y ah=ED hay=20 >>un tema con la maquinita. >>Ya est=E1s en europa? porque te la quiero mandar=20 >>para que vayas pensando ideas para el disco. >> >> >> >>un beso --============_-1061988605==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: loopers
sorry , was a mistake , this email was for a friend .


maria:
salgo el domingo  a Europa =2E

para mariana : la mejor es electroharmonix 2880, y q se compre la pedalera tambien . estaria buenisimo si la compra porque tendriamos la misma .
la rc50 boss es muy buena pero complicada de usar (todavia no esta a la venta al publico , solo 20 de junio =2E
la copio en este email :
mariana:
inscribite en el forum  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
si queres estar al tanto . estan todos los looperos mas grossos hablando de loops todo el dia .
para inscribirte pone "subscribe" en el texto y tambien en el asunto y manda a esta direccion =2E
Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

estoy investigando hace un mes . la mejor hoy en dia para lo q hacemos , segun mi conclusion es la electroharmonix 2880 , con la pedalera . total 600 dolares en USA o Europa .
sdalio hace un mes . no la tiene nadie , pero en el forum estan los pocos q ya se la compraron . besos
ramiro


est=E1 probando con una que le prest=F3 un guitarrista y esta semana prueba otra.
Despu=E9s te digo la marca porque no recuerdo.
Estoy tratando de recuperar una grabaci=F3n de una tocada en vivo en Radio Nacional y ah=ED hay un tema con la maquinita.
Ya est=E1s en europa? porque te la quiero mandar para que vayas pensando ideas para el disco.
 
 
 
un beso

--============_-1061988605==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 19:28:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0A43BED2; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4Qc/YPB+hJHD55JSbJdL2WQY3QC6etDD+oxztz9YexJ1PapjMELmDD3wXsPuZ5a+nT15WjIzb43FM8s8CHDjGXba76qwGoSo8gOh3k83MZ1711HhV6lgsg8pi7zzSsyaDlsSEEPq7CHk60vd1PLtlFtsE41swm5xnZ6cvF5bAQQ= ; Message-ID: <20060612192857.53156.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Taylor Livingston Subject: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1umXhB.A.88F.6BcjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Hey there. This is my first post to the list, but I've been reading the archives for some time now. I have a Gibson EDP+ for sale, with manual and fc-7 foot controller. This is the black version with Loop IV software. It's in excellent condition, having never been in a rack. I replaced a few of the switches in the foot controller when they began to wear out. Other than that, it's just like out of the box. You can check my ebay feedback under the name "janlivingston". Also, I don't know if any loopers around here are into this sort of thing, but I have a 4MS Pedals Noise Swash/Fuzz Jade in one enclosure, with every mod available. Here's a picture: http://www.4mspedals.com/swash/swashfuzzbe.jpg You can find out about these pedals at 4MSpedals.com. Thanks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 19:41:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D5B3BED3; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4+EZaCfM6NYav6BYfJu8Wm5FBkEzee+Xgw9SUzmwSx6plOtfqskCO28+6Sg9Fb+Xk9ZlFPzfhJmXznV98/I/jenk2yoX+5IBqorBY1uimCdn/HlrSc0eg43HZ6hoKrkNRkUtfVO4EL0AVGfcRX5i3SRNKUvP9NuQ8XyjpLU5xmg= ; Message-ID: <20060612194102.59576.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Taylor Livingston Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060612192857.53156.qmail@web52902.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Oops. First post jitters. I forgot to include an asking price. $700 plus shipping from New Orleans, LA takes it. --- Taylor Livingston wrote: > Hey there. This is my first post to the list, but > I've > been reading the archives for some time now. > > I have a Gibson EDP+ for sale, with manual and fc-7 > foot controller. This is the black version with Loop > IV software. It's in excellent condition, having > never > been in a rack. I replaced a few of the switches in > the foot controller when they began to wear out. > Other > than that, it's just like out of the box. You can > check my ebay feedback under the name > "janlivingston". > > > Also, I don't know if any loopers around here are > into > this sort of thing, but I have a 4MS Pedals Noise > Swash/Fuzz Jade in one enclosure, with every mod > available. Here's a picture: > > http://www.4mspedals.com/swash/swashfuzzbe.jpg > > You can find out about these pedals at > 4MSpedals.com. > > Thanks! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 20:18:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 734393BEC5; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1150143482!41320586!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92F7@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:18:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C68E5D.4DF173D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:05 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C68E5D.4DF173D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9729 &Searchpage=1&Main=9691&Words=+Electrix&topic=&Search=true#Post9729 > the electrix guru seems like a patient helpful sort of chap.... but one gets the impression he's just writing down what he's been told to. there's a post later in the thread which is almost threatening in tone, trying to get a rise out of the guru by suggesting that us repeater users will write our own o/s for the original units if electrix are going to turn their collective back (again) on their early adopters. ho hum.... incidentally, this same regulation has made it very difficult for folks in europe to dispose of electronic hardware too. it's actually less hassle to put one's techno-junk on ebay than to hide it in the ordinary household rubbish; one could be arrested for the latter these days. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>
http://www.elect= rixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=3D0&Board=3D9&Number=3D9729&Searchpa= ge=3D1&Main=3D9691&Words=3D+Electrix&topic=3D&Search=3Dtrue#Post9729

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the electrix guru seems like a patient helpful sort of ch= ap.... but one gets the impression he's just writing down what he's been to= ld to. there's a post later in the thread which is almost threatening in to= ne, trying to get a rise out of the guru by suggesting that us repeater use= rs will write our own o/s for the original units if electrix are going to t= urn their collective back (again) on their early adopters. ho hum....

incidentally, this same regulation has made it very diffi= cult for folks in europe to dispose of electronic hardware too. it's actual= ly less hassle to put one's techno-junk on ebay than to hide it in the ordi= nary household rubbish; one could be arrested for the latter these days.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C68E5D.4DF173D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 20:18:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A023BED8; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WdJXW/hXVpaNHpV9IOzZxI4d43/rjvx6w+Ion3MEysh0Gv66hn8pFXOD6rxYILbVPoZTcsOoycMfV/HSDImin6cw/mPd+Wf/5DsANGKz7OAzn4BrhGxs40hDWXYtvSrUvWoay89sn5hrIApMUU0oB3+3+VMeozeX2RwIxF5Zlrc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060612165256.64586.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060612165256.64586.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: pedal pushers Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:18:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> Don't you have to >> specify the tempo first, or sync the jamman to a >> master clock? I >> remember an old post by you where you said you like >> to use a groove >> box as the master clock, so I guess you want to run >> the looper synced? > On 12 jun 2006, at 18.52, mark sottilaro wrote: > Yup, I'm almost always synced to a master clock. I > just want to be able to predefine how many 8th notes > my loop length is and then use a midi message to > initate the start of my loop recording but have it > automatically go into OD (or play) at the end of how > many 8th notes I've set the loop length too. I think > I an probably figure out a way to make this happen. > > Mark Augustus Loop does that charmingly! Should be easy with Mobius too by fixing a script that records a bar and then goes into overdub or whatever. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 20:33:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1188A3BEC7; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VcCdm4b0A1Wvk36dtcAZICOL0l3rCZinz/kN0RMo66BqlvgpE7otzFgFAyd2N9pkxiQO/UqQBkKrg9POIyzt4hm4en+I6CJ8NfxagKnJJwqGgebBiwUzTbyoQUIa4no7QSm90Kw+x+/zblIDFS9WWvZve5AcQxftC7dzTq0KXDo= ; Message-ID: <20060612203340.9340.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92F7@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:33:42 +0000 (UTC) --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > the electrix guru seems like a patient helpful sort > of chap.... He does? To me these little nuggets of partial information seem only to get people angry. Who knows if someone could reverse engineer the Repeater OS? I bet if you tried hard enough, but no one has so far. I'm not even sure I buy that excuse. They've yet again missed their ship date by what... a year? Silly. So now they're telling us that they have to totally redesign the MK2 so it's got a new led free chip in it? What about the warmth that only real led gives your tone? Will I be able to sell my Repeater as a vintage led filled model? I know nothing about the manufacturering process, but I do know you don't tell customers a ship date until you've got working hardware and software that's more or less on it's way from where ever it's being made. Remember the mistake I made with the Againinator? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 20:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34A203BED8; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: pedal pushers Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071D31@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: pedal pushers Thread-Index: AcaOXVrX+ToohycMRpKl41F4g1SlSAAAHLvg From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:35:15 +0000 (UTC) [Mark] > Yup, I'm almost always synced to a master clock. [Per] > Should be easy with Mobius too by fixing a script that records > a bar and then goes into overdub or whatever. I'm not exactly sure what you want, but if you're syncing to MIDI clock you might be able to use the SyncMode=3DMIDIBar (when running standalone) or SyncMode=3DVSTBar (when running as a VST). With either of the bar sync modes, pressing Record will suspend until the start of a bar is reached. Pressing Record again (or any of the=20 alternate endings like Overdub) will then be quantized to the next bar boundary. The length of a bar is defined by the 8thsPerCycle parameter. The record doesn't end automatically after one bar, it requires two footswitch presses rather than one. But because of the quantization you don't have to worry about the timing of the second press. Just press it any time before the end of the bar and it will round off. This also lets you record more than one bar if the mood strikes you. If you really want to do this in one footswitch press, then as Per says it can be done with scripts. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 21:29:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F039E3BED0; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:29:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060612203340.9340.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:29:05 +0000 (UTC) I for one, am getting a little tired of all the Electrix bashing going on. If the Repeater never surfaces again, will the world be any more diminished? I hope it does come back, and I'd gladly buy a new MK2 OS for my old RPTR, if available, but I have some knowledge that the struggles and delays they have been facing are real, not just some smoke screen, and if they aren't spelling it out in tabloid detail, allow them at least, a bit of corporate face saving, rather than hold them up to the same standards as a company like Roland with much deeper pockets, who don't even seem to be listening to people like us. I really believe they want to reintroduce the Repeater, but no amount of whining or baiting is going to make that happen any quicker. Hey, look at it this way, If you had ordered an Amp from Alexander (don't call me Howard) Dumble, he wouldn't even give you a due date, and if you called up to complain, he would stick you at the back of the line!! And don't forget to repeat the mantra: Itsjustamachine Itsjustamachine.......>:o) Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > the electrix guru seems like a patient helpful sort > of chap.... He does? To me these little nuggets of partial information seem only to get people angry. Who knows if someone could reverse engineer the Repeater OS? I bet if you tried hard enough, but no one has so far. I'm not even sure I buy that excuse. They've yet again missed their ship date by what... a year? Silly. So now they're telling us that they have to totally redesign the MK2 so it's got a new led free chip in it? What about the warmth that only real led gives your tone? Will I be able to sell my Repeater as a vintage led filled model? I know nothing about the manufacturering process, but I do know you don't tell customers a ship date until you've got working hardware and software that's more or less on it's way from where ever it's being made. Remember the mistake I made with the Againinator? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 22:04:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C9273BEB5; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uYwiAlheYzMhe8d21mWgJMUr/JsBFBAhHHVIGoWYF7EvffnLs1Mjpmtx9lTiPZ7666cLqjgIm9zaGkEbaeFSXgnkCarU2vCYm49Y+JPMoyXBj/P3/ssFG9Tt6EwPIOWMNvi9zOyJMkj70WHsQl8oYdF41q1jRfyXYB6bEeBUr6w= ; Message-ID: <20060612220439.61665.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: internet jam partners To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c68e23$41c72e90$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rainer, I would be interested either as a percussionist(conga) or doing some singing,ive never use the live streaming technology below but ill look into it. Cheers Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Who knows, with permission of the artist, I may > make a CD at > > the end of the year with excerpts of all the > internet > > performances. I could call it the "Looper's > Delight Ninjam > > Performance". > > ...which is something I intend to do as well, given > more artists accept to > play with me (so far, Krispen Hartung, Rick Walker > and Charlie Milkey). > > Ok, again a call for performers! Who would be > interested to do a virtual > internet session? > > style: (open) > instruments: horn players, singers and > drummers/percussionists preferred, > but other musicians alos welcome! > technology: any of Ninjam, shoutcast or the > www.t-u-b-e.de plugin. > > As an example for an internat jam, may I again point > you to > http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm (more > recordings are on their > way!) > > More on my background as well as links to some of my > other stuff via > www.moinlabs.de > > Please contact me offlist, > > Rainer > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 23:36:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B2D63BEB8; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BdvkviajAymBo5H+3BnZq0I2J/4oZhwvXROd71RTJxhQoGCiyJPZQSWU1R5GjPsZKjcLmCE7v8upXs+S7Jm7CnGsy/56p75JR60WhL31gnTH/EbJGhrYDpoIkX+HjhL6Ko8r6F3VewywKpnyEp68UfyrHug/9UVoJ7siCuzJsFY= Message-ID: <913728d60606121636q1f14363cladb29d9db1ad5f16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:36:52 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: internet jam partners In-Reply-To: <20060612220439.61665.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c68e23$41c72e90$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060612220439.61665.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:36:54 +0000 (UTC) I know the thing right now seems to be one-on-one playing, but since there seems to be a growing stable of ninjam loopers, has anyone given thought to a whole group playing? i know i have done ninjams with 3 others very successfully (of course, there have been many that are equally unsuccessful ;)) Charlie On 6/12/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Rainer, > I would be interested either as a percussionist(conga) > or doing some singing,ive never use the live streaming > technology below but ill look into it. > Cheers > Luis > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > > Who knows, with permission of the artist, I may > > make a CD at > > > the end of the year with excerpts of all the > > internet > > > performances. I could call it the "Looper's > > Delight Ninjam > > > Performance". > > > > ...which is something I intend to do as well, given > > more artists accept to > > play with me (so far, Krispen Hartung, Rick Walker > > and Charlie Milkey). > > > > Ok, again a call for performers! Who would be > > interested to do a virtual > > internet session? > > > > style: (open) > > instruments: horn players, singers and > > drummers/percussionists preferred, > > but other musicians alos welcome! > > technology: any of Ninjam, shoutcast or the > > www.t-u-b-e.de plugin. > > > > As an example for an internat jam, may I again point > > you to > > http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm (more > > recordings are on their > > way!) > > > > More on my background as well as links to some of my > > other stuff via > > www.moinlabs.de > > > > Please contact me offlist, > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 12 23:39:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460683BEB8; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 Delay / Looper Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:39:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopers, I'm interested in adding a second Digitech RDS8000 to my setup. Does anyone have one they'd like to sell? Best, Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 00:53:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A2AB3BEB9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QQN+KDGOdIz3/JFEHpJNhMDqfVDjacA/F8AcOBbODDLjtAjQ57jf5/Y0PEJGHcUA9ij4SvuAOzAJvsqzmyDQlRVMInPCehY4Z2ZhtVq9NR/MPnIFnV5qStluH4fJHrY9eJCbKAeyCO8qqzSSPOGcrI9NAwPXnTld1l6mbOhC1lg= Message-ID: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:53:19 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Way OT: EM fingers! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_72327_19119071.1150159999488" Resent-Message-ID: <3Tr6-C.A.QG.BygjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:53:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_72327_19119071.1150159999488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Oh man, so I heard a report on NPR yesterday about a new type of Body Modification... this woman had a magnet attatched to the nerves inside her finger so she can feel electro-magnetic waves! Like they say in the report, its not the most practical thing... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? Here is a link to the NPR report, you can listen to it there: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5477830 Or here is the more expansive article from Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,71087-0.html?tw=wn_story_page_prev2 ------=_Part_72327_19119071.1150159999488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Oh man, so I heard a report on NPR yesterday about a new type of Body Modification... this woman had a magnet attatched to the nerves inside her finger so she can feel electro-magnetic waves!
 
Like they say in the report, its not the most practical thing... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house?
 
Here is a link to the NPR report, you can listen to it there:
 
Or here is the more expansive article from Wired News:
 
 
------=_Part_72327_19119071.1150159999488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 01:00:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A363BED6; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060612175600.02035128@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:00:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: RE: Repeater mk2 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92F7@lon-oxmail02.mtvn e.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92F7@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:00:02 +0000 (UTC) At 01:18 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: > > >http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9729&Searchpage=1&Main=9691&Words=+Electrix&topic=&Search=true#Post9729 Now's the time for everyone on this list to logon to the ElectrixPro forum and tell Electrix what you think of their brilliant idea to abandon the original Repeater users. If you care, that is. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 01:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9553BEDA; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:04:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8ketpD.A.RZC.m_gjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:07:51 +0000 (UTC) > > ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way > around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 01:25:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56B6C3BEE6; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VFfNqqgeXiWtDopVAOniJBQAkZwmUL8e2nexFmBN9r4BgogOHdMKZFWMozxm6lAjQoGFQbYcqfqsf+mBeMBG0RPt3odcQSOSgHA7dEt7zNm9BISakUCuFV7tZdP8/58c0etDajOWw41C82CVG1Bl2F+XQxGpWaT414QbrLLCueM= ; Message-ID: <20060613012534.60564.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: grw20022 Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 Delay / Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1003756191-1150161934=:54884" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:25:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-1003756191-1150161934=:54884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, if you can not find one..I have one in mint...I might be getting away afew of my equipment to get the new moog the Phatty..I use to have a moog and it looks like moog put a good one out...if anyone heard of this, let use know..... Gerry rds8000 wrote: rds8000 wrote: Hello Loopers, I'm interested in adding a second Digitech RDS8000 to my setup. Does anyone have one they'd like to sell? Best, Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1003756191-1150161934=:54884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, if you can not find one..I have one in mint...I might be getting away afew of my equipment to get the new moog the Phatty..I use to have a moog and it looks like moog put a good one out...if anyone heard of this, let use know..... Gerry

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rds8000 <rds8000@cableaz.com> wrote:
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1003756191-1150161934=:54884-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 01:41:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 513EE3BEDD; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24EB72CF-A623-4042-93E5-35B6E506A0CD@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:38:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:41:47 +0000 (UTC) O- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > What about the warmth that only real led > gives your tone? I can't tell if you're serious about this or not. Are you just being facetious? I'll go ahead and ask the dumb question, since no one else has. Why couldn't they release two different units--one that meets EU specs and another one that does not--and does not (presumably) need to? Shouldn't the latter unit be ready to go now, and wouldn't that end the speculation about whether or not a mk2 will ever see the light of day? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 01:46:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5BC83BEDF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:42:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:46:26 +0000 (UTC) > > If the Repeater never surfaces again, will the world be any more > diminished? The issue is that they announced new products, took money from customers (or, more to the point, many retailers did), and have kept people completely in the dark. I'd say that's reason enough to be a little irked. > spelling it out in tabloid detail, allow them at least, a bit of > corporate > face saving, rather than hold them up to the same standards as a > company > like Roland with much deeper pockets, I don't think anyone is asking for tabloid detail. But periodic (quarterly??) updates would be nice. At the very least it would show some genuine concern for potential customers--not to mention good faith on their part. I don't think that's asking too much. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 01:59:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87CDB3BEB5; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j5l2XwNrCF1ajsqkctOjsoN4pgpEwYBhAWzt1ae5tdsHwcn6+htdpuOZAKm+fJGanJ0GCTeItudBxt+JjV2iXNp92DdPyLsnFW9Tozt2hGqYgOBj9soOhKoJoiOe+0oQUuz2cXgz+6KBeIZjEd8ZI5taPrPbFsOswlDijLtVo4Y= Message-ID: <913728d60606121859v7fd0fa8q7657561df1c1c69b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:59:14 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <2mh_yC.A.A4B.0vhjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:59:16 +0000 (UTC) you know, i wonder if what the guru says about their newest technical problems are real or if they are just buying time with making up these new problems... as chester666 responded to the guru's tech problem news... "Hmmm... Electrix JUST found out about this?? Its true that compliance deadline is July of 2006. But...i got this from a website: The RoHS Directive (Restriction of Certain Hazardous Substances) became law in the European Union countries in February 2003. Member states must implement the law by August 2004 and product deadline for compliance is July 2006." in other words, this was news in 2003 (3 years ago) and they just found this out now? that sounds a little fishy to me... is the world going to end because of the repeater's delay? nah, but what Electrix has to worry about now is people are getting fed up with the repeater's late due date, and people are starting to get their money back and check out other looping devices, and granted the repeater MkII is spec'ed out to be pretty cool, there also are some really cool loopers out there already, and people are going to be looking elsewhere...by the time the repeater MkII comes out, i bet that at least 50% of the people who were dead-set on buying a repeater when it was first announced will be perfectly happy with something else...just my thoughts :) Charlie On 6/12/06, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > > > > If the Repeater never surfaces again, will the world be any more > > diminished? > > The issue is that they announced new products, took money from > customers (or, more to the point, many retailers did), and have kept > people completely in the dark. I'd say that's reason enough to be a > little irked. > > > spelling it out in tabloid detail, allow them at least, a bit of > > corporate > > face saving, rather than hold them up to the same standards as a > > company > > like Roland with much deeper pockets, > > I don't think anyone is asking for tabloid detail. But periodic > (quarterly??) updates would be nice. At the very least it would show > some genuine concern for potential customers--not to mention good > faith on their part. I don't think that's asking too much. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 04:49:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AFF93BEB2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Jeff wrote:"The issue is that they announced new products, took money from customers (or, more to the point, many retailers did), and have kept people completely in the dark. I'd say that's reason enough to be a little irked." fare enough, but I'd point the finger at the mail order music supply shops of the world like the vaunted Alto Music, who took your money or someone else's, not Electrix, they aren't seeing a penny of that money I'd wager. And shame on those same retailers who took your money knowing electrix's history of late delivery. jeff wrote:"But periodic (quarterly??) updates would be nice. At the very least it would show some genuine concern for potential customers--not to mention good faith on their part. I don't think that's asking too much. " Don't get your hopes up, and realize that companies like this are not about announcing their cash flow issues, software issues, EU code issues or otherwise. You think people are starting to look elsewhere now, imagine if Electrix blabbed about all of these issues on a quarterly basis, That wouldn't do too well for their rep either. It has been my experience from working in and around both the manufacturing and retail end of the music biz for the past 25+ years, That niche companies, no matter how great there products are , come and go, people who design great music gear are not necessarily great business men or marketing ninjas. Conversely, sometimes great business people have no clue as to how to relate to real musicians, or gear geeks like us. Whoever assumed the responsibility for resurrecting Electrix, may have bitten off more than they can chew, Who is to say? I just think everyone who is threatening to get a refund for money they have laid down for RPTR MK2 should get their money refunded, and be done with it, and maybe that might send them a message they respond to. otherwise, I just think its not worth getting agitated over. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 05:51:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46FF3BED0; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 05:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B4F48CB-092B-4AD9-B248-F5597BE9777D@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:48:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2L1Vh.A.HdD._JljEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 05:51:59 +0000 (UTC) > > fare enough, but I'd point the finger at the mail order music > supply shops > of the world like the vaunted Alto Music, who took your money or > someone > else's, not Electrix, they aren't seeing a penny of that money I'd > wager. > And shame on those same retailers who took your money knowing > electrix's > history of late delivery. Maybe. I see both sides of the issue. Sounds like you have quite a bit of direct experience with these issues, so I'll defer to you on this one. But I don't think that the retailer I ordered through was out to get my money knowing that Electrix couldn't deliver. I suppose I put the blame *more* on Electrix than you apparently do. They are the ones who announced the products and gave the retailers estimated ship dates, after all. But I still see your point. > > Don't get your hopes up, and realize that companies like this are > not about > announcing their cash flow issues, software issues, EU code issues or > otherwise. True. Then they should have been much more cautious about announcing their new product line. But that only goes to your point about how they may be poor business people, no matter how good their intentions and no matter how good they may be at the imaginative/creative end of things. Personally I'm not worked up about this. If I get a new Repeater, great. If I don't, that's okay too. And, at some point, I'll have to decide if I want my $150 down payment back. The only reason I haven't gotten the refund yet is because I fear that *if* they should finally start shipping, I'd then be left out. In other words, better to keep my place in line than not. Shrug... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 08:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DD903BEC2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b501c68ec2$b67d9180$0400a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92F7@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060612175600.02035128@TheNettles.com> Subject: Re: Repeater mk2 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:19:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Speaking as an electronics design engineer, RoHS compliance is a pretty lame exceuse. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:00 AM Subject: RE: Repeater mk2 > At 01:18 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: >> > >>http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9729&Searchpage=1&Main=9691&Words=+Electrix&topic=&Search=true#Post9729 > > Now's the time for everyone on this list to logon to the ElectrixPro forum > and tell Electrix what you think of their brilliant idea to abandon the > original Repeater users. If you care, that is. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 08:41:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A26F03BED2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:41:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4oF_j.A.gMB.9onjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context alone... The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the house. On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and wanted to play no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left middle finger between two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the end like a melon. Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a center-on hit so I kept the nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside where the scar tissue is forming. I massage the tip most of the time, gently, and the feeling in the tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a carpenter who says he did something similar that it won't come back for as much as three months. Obviously this effects playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense ignorance. I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say here is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going at it. I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my late mum-in-law sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] life is frigging short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient amp system for performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the London area when this damned finger gets better. So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come back? Thx in advance. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > >> >> ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a >> keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? > > Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? > > I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a > day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. > > Jeff > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 09:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB7E63BED2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: internet jam partners Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:59:34 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001b01c68ed0$135c0fa0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <913728d60606121636q1f14363cladb29d9db1ad5f16@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaOeRa4Dpg+RxT4RcWMWnFhzCa2gwAVrjfA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Using the Ninjam public servers isn't something you want to do for = several reasons (like limited control over tempo/bpi settings or dickhead = Eighties rock guitarists barging in). I think the only one among us who has a Ninjam server running which can accomodate several people is Krispen...Krispen? > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juni 2006 01:37 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: internet jam partners >=20 > I know the thing right now seems to be one-on-one playing,=20 > but since there seems to be a growing stable of ninjam=20 > loopers, has anyone given thought to a whole group playing? > i know i have done ninjams with 3 others very successfully=20 > (of course, there have been many that are equally unsuccessful ;)) >=20 > Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 10:54:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A22AB3BEB9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:54:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20060613105447.81220@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> <20060612141002.192780@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Re: Ableton & Odd meters (was: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ramiro > Its possible to use Live Ableton only with a midi footpedal (free > hands?). As far as I can tell at the moment, you will definetely need a mouse or something for these features: - set meter (unless you find a way to load a file with desired meter via midi...) - set different BPM for specific scene (scene=all loops played parallel) With 3rd party software, probably you could control pretty much everything else. I guess there are more things that work - if you just figure out how. Therefore, it is good to see Kid Beyonds video on ableton.com, see what's possible. Correct me if I'm wrong, folks ;-) Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 11:39:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E3823BEC2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XkWkRoXK0BR3UWvF5Jme8wqW9IQSbTB6G40esDCvEuaSFam7YXp89KbZXLzmDiElRT+YJZ2ZXjNFtt6mtCr0QpA+c/G4rffgdB+NRL26pjifwTOsFWXB5rBgRVLHwU3CiXc2nbdkhfA6W+Cxad4dfLaXkF6nSbaRAwGeMk7B3GI= In-Reply-To: <006e01c68c22$ec3b6510$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> References: <006e01c68c22$ec3b6510$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <39C6EA06-F292-4EB1-9098-52BD48991DD7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:39:46 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Dear Looping Friends, I'm sharing a short clip from todays solo rehearsal with tenor sax + laptop with Mobius: http://www.looproom.com/audio/busonetothere.mp3 I thought that since I've been talking quite a lot about Mobius I should post some example. Among other things, here's one of my latest fav Mobius scripts, the "Chord Hit Script" - very fun when playing sax to hit one pedal and have a four note chord punched into the loop (it's a combination of overdub, reverse and pitch transpose). Before creating this Mobius script I had to wait through the loop four times to play the four short notes at the correct timing, so boring - needless to say I rarely did ;-) Also, both the sax and the vocal beatboxing are here played through a tc electronix fireworX fx processor. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 12:30:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EBDF3BECA; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Thread-Index: AcaO3he/SDCfHYmLQc6m0IB7oe2QgAABtCkw From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2006 12:30:28.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[273AD5A0:01C68EE5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Per- This is great! I've been following your descriptions of what you're investigating with Mobius... hearing it is enlightening. Fun little "piece". Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 7:40 AM To: Loopers Subject: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Dear Looping Friends, I'm sharing a short clip from todays solo rehearsal with tenor sax + =20 laptop with Mobius: http://www.looproom.com/audio/busonetothere.mp3 I thought that since I've been talking quite a lot about Mobius I =20 should post some example. Among other things, here's one of my latest =20 fav Mobius scripts, the "Chord Hit Script" - very fun when playing =20 sax to hit one pedal and have a four note chord punched into the loop =20 (it's a combination of overdub, reverse and pitch transpose). Before =20 creating this Mobius script I had to wait through the loop four times =20 to play the four short notes at the correct timing, so boring - =20 needless to say I rarely did ;-) Also, both the sax and the vocal =20 beatboxing are here played through a tc electronix fireworX fx =20 processor. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 13:18:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461083BED0; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: internet jam partners - post scriptum Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:18:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c68eeb$e28bf680$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060612220439.61665.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaObDTLMPGfoS0qTjO9ZLf+YpuenwAfypGg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:18:44 +0000 (UTC) btw, Rick Walker spoke very highly of you in general and of your voice = in particular so, please do both (percussion and singing). > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juni 2006 00:05 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: internet jam partners >=20 > Hey Rainer, > I would be interested either as a percussionist(conga) or=20 > doing some singing,ive never use the live streaming=20 > technology below but ill look into it. > Cheers > Luis >=20 > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >=20 > > > Who knows, with permission of the artist, I may > > make a CD at > > > the end of the year with excerpts of all the > > internet > > > performances. I could call it the "Looper's > > Delight Ninjam > > > Performance". > >=20 > > ...which is something I intend to do as well, given more artists=20 > > accept to play with me (so far, Krispen Hartung, Rick Walker and=20 > > Charlie Milkey). > >=20 > > Ok, again a call for performers! Who would be interested to do a=20 > > virtual internet session? > >=20 > > style: (open) > > instruments: horn players, singers and drummers/percussionists=20 > > preferred, but other musicians alos welcome! > > technology: any of Ninjam, shoutcast or the www.t-u-b-e.de plugin. > >=20 > > As an example for an internat jam, may I again point you to=20 > > http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm (more recordings are on=20 > > their > > way!) > >=20 > > More on my background as well as links to some of my other=20 > stuff via=20 > > www.moinlabs.de > >=20 > > Please contact me offlist, > >=20 > > Rainer > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection=20 > around http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 13:21:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E072E3BEDA; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: internet jam partners - post scriptum Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:21:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c68eec$49ba4cd0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000901c68eeb$e28bf680$0101a8c0@succubus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaObDTLMPGfoS0qTjO9ZLf+YpuenwAfypGgAAA45BA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:21:37 +0000 (UTC) sorry should be a matrix mail...my bad=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juni 2006 15:19 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: AW: internet jam partners - post scriptum >=20 > btw, Rick Walker spoke very highly of you in general and of=20 > your voice in particular so, please do both (percussion and singing). >=20 > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juni 2006 00:05 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: internet jam partners > >=20 > > Hey Rainer, > > I would be interested either as a percussionist(conga) or=20 > doing some=20 > > singing,ive never use the live streaming technology below=20 > but ill look=20 > > into it. > > Cheers > > Luis > >=20 > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >=20 > > > > Who knows, with permission of the artist, I may > > > make a CD at > > > > the end of the year with excerpts of all the > > > internet > > > > performances. I could call it the "Looper's > > > Delight Ninjam > > > > Performance". > > >=20 > > > ...which is something I intend to do as well, given more artists=20 > > > accept to play with me (so far, Krispen Hartung, Rick Walker and=20 > > > Charlie Milkey). > > >=20 > > > Ok, again a call for performers! Who would be interested to do a=20 > > > virtual internet session? > > >=20 > > > style: (open) > > > instruments: horn players, singers and drummers/percussionists=20 > > > preferred, but other musicians alos welcome! > > > technology: any of Ninjam, shoutcast or the www.t-u-b-e.de plugin. > > >=20 > > > As an example for an internat jam, may I again point you to=20 > > > http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm (more recordings are on=20 > > > their > > > way!) > > >=20 > > > More on my background as well as links to some of my other > > stuff via > > > www.moinlabs.de > > >=20 > > > Please contact me offlist, > > >=20 > > > Rainer > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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I called for business relationship with you. I got your name and contact from I voire charmber of information and I prayed over it and selected your name among other names due to its esteeming nature and the recommendations given to me as a reputable and trust worthy person that I can do business with and by the recommendation , I must not hesitate to confide in you for this simple and sincere business.
 
I am Judith Foure the only daughter of Late Mr.and Mrs.Philip Foure. My father was a very wealthy cocoa merchant in Abidjan , the economic capital of Ivory coast, my father was poisoned to death by his business associates on one of their outings on a business trip .
My mother died when I was a baby and since then my father took me so special. Before the death of my father on october 2003 in a private hospital here in Abidjan he secretly called me on his bed side and told me that he has the sum of Seven million,five hundred thousand United State Dollars. USD($7.500,000.00) which he sealed in a trunk box and deposited in the custody of a security company here for safekeeping and he informed me that no other person knows the real content of the box which he used my name as his only daughter as the next of Kin in depositing of the trunk box. He also explained to me that it was because of this wealth that he was poisoned by his business associates. That I should seek for a foreign partner in a country of my choice where I will transfer this money and use it for investment purpose such as real estate management or hotel management .
 
Dear, I am honourably seeking your assistance in the following ways:
1) To provide a bank account into which this money would be transferred to.
2) To serve as a guardian of this fund since I am 23 years.
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Moreover, dear I am willing to offer you 15% of the total sum as compensation for your effort/ input after the successful transfer of this fund into your nominated account overseas.
Furthermore, you indicate your options towards assisting me as I believe that this transaction would be concluded within fourteen (14)days you signify interest to assist me. Anticipating to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless you.
Best regards,
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http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail --0-1523778667-1150204297=:50882-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 14:35:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CEE43BEB9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c68ef6$897a9910$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000a01c68eec$49ba4cd0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Belated notice.. Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:34:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_L5YOB.A.UVG.h0sjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:35:13 +0000 (UTC) "My bad" in advance, as well as belatedly. Did anyone else go to St. Paul's Cathedral at lunchtime to see/hear Robert Fripp play today? I should have said something but there wasn't much time, as the tubes are a well-designed mess today. I noticed an obvious population of Crimhead types that arrived right before he started up. A marvelous 30 minutes of soundscapes, rebounding round the most incredible location to play in that I can imagine. I'm going to write a short-ish review tonight and post it on Discipline Global Mobile. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 15:12:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021093BEC5; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-105640266 Message-Id: <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:12:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <8jO-OD.A.8pH.aXtjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:12:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-105640266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed her finger with a sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling in the finger. She smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - the whole finger was wide open - gruesome. Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, the feeling and a lot of the motion was restored with acupuncture. I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as healing time. But the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember Django Reinhart? Time to learn how to play slide guitar? My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of it, is that TIME is more important than equipment. Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring and wonderful guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... or, even simpler, one acoustic guitar. Just my $.02 Good luck richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context > alone... > > The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the > house. On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and > wanted to play no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left > middle finger between two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting > the end like a melon. Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it > wasn't a center-on hit so I kept the nail. I can however feel the > hard bit inside where the scar tissue is forming. I massage the tip > most of the time, gently, and the feeling in the tip still hasn't come > back. I've been told by a carpenter who says he did something similar > that it won't come back for as much as three months. Obviously this > effects playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one obtains > through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the fingertip > becomes one of finger damage through sense ignorance. > > I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid > dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say > here is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going > at it. I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my late > mum-in-law sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] > life is frigging short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient > amp system for performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the > London area when this damned finger gets better. > > So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come > back? Thx in advance. > > S. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > >> >>> >>> ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way >>> around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? >> >> Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? >> >> I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours >> a day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-3-105640266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed her finger with a sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling in the finger. She smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - the whole finger was wide open - gruesome. Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, the feeling and a lot of the motion was restored with acupuncture. I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as healing time. But the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember Django Reinhart? Time to learn how to play slide guitar? My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of it, is that TIME is more important than equipment. Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring and wonderful guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... or, even simpler, one acoustic guitar. Just my $.02 Good luck Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context alone... The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the house. On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and wanted to play no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left middle finger between two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the end like a melon. Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a center-on hit so I kept the nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside where the scar tissue is forming. I massage the tip most of the time, gently, and the feeling in the tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a carpenter who says he did something similar that it won't come back for as much as three months. Obviously this effects playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense ignorance. I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say here is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going at it. I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my late mum-in-law sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] life is frigging short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient amp system for performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the London area when this damned finger gets better. So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come back? Thx in advance. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" < To: < Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. Jeff --Apple-Mail-3-105640266-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 15:34:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703FD3BEC1; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:34:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:34:47 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 16:12 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! >The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed her finger with a >sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling in the finger. She >smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - the whole finger was >wide open - gruesome. Yep, I had to clean up the blood before we left for the hospital, it was all over the new stone tiles and they hadn't been sealed yet! >Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, the feeling and a lot >of the motion was restored with acupuncture. I'll ask my acupuncturist about this. She's done wonders for blood pressure and circulation around injured bits before! >I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as healing time. But >the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember Django Reinhart? Er, while I've been tempted by a very fast right hand with the idea of re-learning to play Jimi-style, such is a hurdle I'll deal with only if I have to. The middle finger's my main/center point (self-taught, played by ear since '71). I'll tell ya it's a real temptation just to play after going to see Fripp today. I knew it would be a little painful thinking about playing after coming home but I really don't want to screw up what could be healing interior-wise just by mistakenly using that finger. >Time to learn how to play slide guitar? Too late. Started using a slide in the early 80s, long before learning anything about Blues music. Been thinking about it, frankly. >My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of it, is that TIME is >more important than equipment. Ah yes, but having had no disposable income - much less income - for over six years, and seeing my 50th birthday coming up in December, I've decided that time is something that's, as Riff Raff put it, "fleeting". In preparation for unleashing myself on the public again, I need to find a good, inexpensive guitar repair person to fix a grounding error in ol' Cthulhu. In London, someone I can see face-to-face and trust with my beloved tool. After several years of dealing with workmen in London I only use good personal references. > Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring and wonderful > guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... or, even simpler, > one acoustic guitar. Just my $.02 I'll try to keep the bar high then, as all I've got is my ol' strat and an Oscar Schmidt acoustic. :) Yes, here's to working within limitations to achieve a lovely result! Thx! >Good luck richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context alone... The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the house. On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and wanted to play no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left middle finger between two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the end like a melon. Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a center-on hit so I kept the nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside where the scar tissue is forming. I massage the tip most of the time, gently, and the feeling in the tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a carpenter who says he did something similar that it won't come back for as much as three months. Obviously this effects playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense ignorance. I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say here is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going at it. I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my late mum-in-law sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] life is frigging short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient amp system for performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the London area when this damned finger gets better. So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come back? Thx in advance. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 15:37:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7967C3BECA; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b501c68ec2$b67d9180$0400a8c0@STUDY> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC92F7@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com > <7.0.0.16.0.20060612175600.02035128@TheNettles.com> <00b501c68ec2$b67d9180$0400a8c0@STUDY> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:19:09 -0400 To: "Nik" From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Repeater mk2 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Especially since they hung the RoHS excuse on the PSU, which is an OEM part, BTW... WTF?? >Speaking as an electronics design engineer, RoHS compliance is a >pretty lame exceuse. > >Nik > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:00 AM >Subject: RE: Repeater mk2 > >>At 01:18 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: >>> > >>>http://www.electrixpro.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=9&Number=9729&Searchpage=1&Main=9691&Words=+Electrix&topic=&Search=true#Post9729 >> >>Now's the time for everyone on this list to logon to the >>ElectrixPro forum and tell Electrix what you think of their >>brilliant idea to abandon the original Repeater users. If you >>care, that is. >> >>Cheers, >>Kevin >>www.TheNettles.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 15:38:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 204F93BECF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64599.65.90.188.220.1150213089.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:38:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Or, for a real challenge, how about learning to play Stanley Jordan style? That would make good use of your fast right hand! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7942029277711475397 --Josh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Sales > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 16:12 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > >>The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed her finger with a >>sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling in the finger. She >>smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - the whole finger was >>wide open - gruesome. > > Yep, I had to clean up the blood before we left for the hospital, it was > all > over the new stone tiles and they hadn't been sealed yet! > >>Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, the feeling and a >> lot >>of the motion was restored with acupuncture. > > I'll ask my acupuncturist about this. She's done wonders for blood > pressure > and circulation around injured bits before! > >>I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as healing time. But >>the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember Django Reinhart? > > Er, while I've been tempted by a very fast right hand with the idea of > re-learning to play Jimi-style, such is a hurdle I'll deal with only if I > have to. The middle finger's my main/center point (self-taught, played by > ear since '71). I'll tell ya it's a real temptation just to play after > going to see Fripp today. I knew it would be a little painful thinking > about playing after coming home but I really don't want to screw up what > could be healing interior-wise just by mistakenly using that finger. > >>Time to learn how to play slide guitar? > > Too late. Started using a slide in the early 80s, long before learning > anything about Blues music. Been thinking about it, frankly. > >>My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of it, is that TIME >> is >>more important than equipment. > > Ah yes, but having had no disposable income - much less income - for over > six years, and seeing my 50th birthday coming up in December, I've decided > that time is something that's, as Riff Raff put it, "fleeting". > > In preparation for unleashing myself on the public again, I need to find a > good, inexpensive guitar repair person to fix a grounding error in ol' > Cthulhu. In London, someone I can see face-to-face and trust with my > beloved tool. After several years of dealing with workmen in London I > only > use good personal references. > >> Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring and wonderful >> guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... or, even simpler, >> one acoustic guitar. Just my $.02 > > I'll try to keep the bar high then, as all I've got is my ol' strat and an > Oscar Schmidt acoustic. :) Yes, here's to working within limitations to > achieve a lovely result! > > Thx! > > >>Good luck > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context > alone... > > The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the house. > On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and wanted to play > no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left middle finger > between > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the end like a melon. > Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a center-on hit so I > kept > the nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside where the scar tissue is > forming. I massage the tip most of the time, gently, and the feeling in > the > tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a carpenter who says he did > something similar that it won't come back for as much as three months. > Obviously this effects playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one > obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the > fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense ignorance. > > I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid > dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say here > is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going at it. > I'm > going to come into just a little bit of money via my late mum-in-law > sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] life is > frigging > short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient amp system for > performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the London area when > this > damned finger gets better. > > So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come back? > Thx > in advance. > > S. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > > > > > > ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a > keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? > > > Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? > > I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a > day. > I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 15:47:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 567393BED6; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10593135.1150213639938.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 8:47:19 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BOSS RC-50 Good to Go MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:47:25 +0000 (UTC) My RC-50 should be at my home when I get off work today. I took the opportunity of studying the manual for the past day or so - so I can be ready to "hit the ground running" (I hate that corporate phrase). My thanks to all the posters with their comments, etc. of the RC-50 in the past week or so. Armed with that info and having somewhat familiarized myself with the unit via the manual, I 'hope' to be able to perform some music later today. -- Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:00:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7D53BEC2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:00:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20060613160022.310010@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <10593135.1150213639938.JavaMail.root@web26> References: <10593135.1150213639938.JavaMail.root@web26> Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 Good to Go To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Paul let's hope you get your unit :-) I still have to wait at least 2 more weeks. I also feel like I can get this thing working the moment it is there. I can already imagine: first of all turn off time sync, turn off loop sync... Change the Guide settings... Despite all the RC-50-bashing around here, I think this could be a quite useful unit - once you've figured out couple things. We will see! have fun Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:13:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F6BE3BED9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:13:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4B4F48CB-092B-4AD9-B248-F5597BE9777D@midway.uchicago.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:13:39 +0000 (UTC) I do feel your pain Jeff, and believe me when I say that I believe these type of " corporate announcements of vaporware" are irresponsible, but this does happen pretty frequently. A few years back at a NAMM show I saw two cool new products from Alesis(one being a midi foot controller, the other slips my mind) that were displayed under glass (that should have been the tip off, ha ha) And neither product ever saw the light of day, though I do believe they went so far as to advertise them in the trades. I really hope that the RPTR MK2 comes out, is a smash hit, and we all have a chuckle about this. In the mean time remember that MANTRA. Peace Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) > > fare enough, but I'd point the finger at the mail order music > supply shops > of the world like the vaunted Alto Music, who took your money or > someone > else's, not Electrix, they aren't seeing a penny of that money I'd > wager. > And shame on those same retailers who took your money knowing > electrix's > history of late delivery. Maybe. I see both sides of the issue. Sounds like you have quite a bit of direct experience with these issues, so I'll defer to you on this one. But I don't think that the retailer I ordered through was out to get my money knowing that Electrix couldn't deliver. I suppose I put the blame *more* on Electrix than you apparently do. They are the ones who announced the products and gave the retailers estimated ship dates, after all. But I still see your point. > > Don't get your hopes up, and realize that companies like this are > not about > announcing their cash flow issues, software issues, EU code issues or > otherwise. True. Then they should have been much more cautious about announcing their new product line. But that only goes to your point about how they may be poor business people, no matter how good their intentions and no matter how good they may be at the imaginative/creative end of things. Personally I'm not worked up about this. If I get a new Repeater, great. If I don't, that's okay too. And, at some point, I'll have to decide if I want my $150 down payment back. The only reason I haven't gotten the refund yet is because I fear that *if* they should finally start shipping, I'd then be left out. In other words, better to keep my place in line than not. Shrug... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BE8C3BEB5; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <64599.65.90.188.220.1150213089.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <64599.65.90.188.220.1150213089.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:32:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Digitech GNX4 review wanted.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:31:50 +0000 (UTC) After a friend went out and bought a Boss RC-50 for his poratable workstation / practice rig I did some research and discovered the Digitech GNX4. They claim it has an 8 track Jamman... is it at all featured like the Jamman? Does if have a feedback level adjustment? Does it do reverse on the fly? Can some one give us a looper-centric review? -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:37:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E6D3BECF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tb8TOT5a4uuZxCu1wIuBqKJjyDG7dTxFDXuJVLAsJGUWJUqIcKg0scXV+Qud979M9jlMV3wFrpKO11qmcNaWdIK2SKifDuqK8Rp2e1748/+NtrtOGsq91xVxsyrA9XqEdMz+XX9F9zbGfryo5ZvQcXBm2WxnhawlEUplw5nIjHA= Message-ID: <613c528b0606130937u6593f492xdd985fdc5055ba0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:37:37 -0500 From: "Alex Law" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 Good to Go In-Reply-To: <20060613160022.310010@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <10593135.1150213639938.JavaMail.root@web26> <20060613160022.310010@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:37:39 +0000 (UTC) I think most of the "RC-50 bashing" has been our learning curve, and we're doing OK now. :) I've had mine for a little over a week, and I'm loving it now that I know how to set it up properly. I'm down to one complaint: the difference between "green" and "yellow" in LED color is too subtle. Other than that, I've been putting more time into playing than I have in the past couple of years - it's addictive! Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:45:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C77A53BEA9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Yy4boeryFaAILpn4dCOn85+/xH/r0cKrTk0+8kgRdYlSKwXTT7KLR6f0rOemaV4Cdhi8a28D/0KvmLIKUe0UNHcq2JnbJ/wzHi7n4rHD0KiCCvgRHsx2hJ7uxEbPVflmvxI9RpM+8M8ZidSXfSRYDvEm4d+zDI3bL3NliVVz/bw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <64599.65.90.188.220.1150213089.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 review wanted.... Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:45:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:26 +0000 (UTC) On 13 jun 2006, at 18.32, Charles Zwicky wrote: > Digitech GNX4. They claim it has an 8 track Jamman... is it at all > featured like the Jamman? Does if have a feedback level adjustment? > Does it do reverse on the fly? > > Can some one give us a looper-centric review? I have reviewed the GNX3000 and spend a week with that unit. It had excellent guitar sound and effects but not fun at all from a looping aspect. Maybe the GNX4 is a little different? TRy to download the PDF manual fro Digitech. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 070723BED2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4788170.1150217153401.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 9:45:53 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 review wanted.... Cc: Charles Zwicky MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0UJkuB.A.YCE.CvujEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:45:55 +0000 (UTC) It's not an 8 track jamman, that's for sure. 1 track is more like it. And it's twitchy. Creating a loop on that thing absolutely ruined my concentration for playing music. Although, IMHO, that's probably the weak link on the unit. Other than that, it's a great tool: the onboard recorder works well, the "hands-free" computer recording function with the included software works great, the USB connect is cool, the drum sounds are pretty good and the amp sims/effects are pretty good overall. BUT, the unit is complicated to use. Lots of button presses-on a floor unit no less. I sold mine but I'd like to get another one at a 2nd hand price. You can't beat the onboard recorder for times when one doesn't want to fire up a PC. -- Paul Richards ---- Charles Zwicky wrote: > After a friend went out and bought a Boss RC-50 for his poratable > workstation / practice rig I did some research and discovered the > Digitech GNX4. They claim it has an 8 track Jamman... is it at all > featured like the Jamman? Does if have a feedback level adjustment? > Does it do reverse on the fly? > > Can some one give us a looper-centric review? > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:49:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A51023BECF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <64599.65.90.188.220.1150213089.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:49:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Digitech GNX4 review wanted.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <47GhcB.A.lSE.zyujEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:49:55 +0000 (UTC) The manual - and the online 'toot-torials' are pretty worthless... >On 13 jun 2006, at 18.32, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >>Digitech GNX4. They claim it has an 8 track Jamman... is it at all >>featured like the Jamman? Does if have a feedback level adjustment? >>Does it do reverse on the fly? >> >>Can some one give us a looper-centric review? > > >I have reviewed the GNX3000 and spend a week with that unit. It had >excellent guitar sound and effects but not fun at all from a looping >aspect. Maybe the GNX4 is a little different? TRy to download the >PDF manual fro Digitech. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 16:54:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5866C3BEC2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <49d.2cb36b5.31c047a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:54:01 EDT Subject: Re: BOSS RC-50 Good to Go To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_49d.2cb36b5.31c047a9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:54:14 +0000 (UTC) --part1_49d.2cb36b5.31c047a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm one of the "bashers", and it was more out of frustration. i really want this unit to do what it's supposed to do. while i love the edp, the idea of having what i need right in one pedal board is really appealing. i'm very curious to find out if any of the other posters who had similar issues with the "hiccup" at the point where the end of the phrase record meets the begining of the playback have had any luck eliminating it. i performed with the rc-50 in a live situation, live trio guitar, bass, drums. the hiccup was not as noticeable, but i didn't get to try looping as much as i'd hoped, so i can't fairly evaluate that. the sub out feature worked really well, sending the loop only to our drummer. also the stereo inputs and outputs came in handy, as i'm working with a taylor t-5 with the option of an acoustic sound and an electric sound. the stereo situation let me loop with acoustic, play over it with electric, vice versa and any combination thereof. oh, and one other thing that drives me crazy....the default setting for the guide track is that when you turn the unit on, the guide track is set to go, so you have to always remember to turn that damn thing off. thanks, john --part1_49d.2cb36b5.31c047a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i'm one of the "bashers", and it was mo= re out of frustration.  i really want this unit to do what it's suppos= ed to do.  while i love the edp, the idea of having what i need right=20= in one pedal board is really appealing. 

i'm very curious to find out if any of the other posters who had similar iss= ues with the "hiccup" at the point where the end of the phrase record meets=20= the begining of the playback have had any luck eliminating it. 

i performed with the rc-50 in a live situation, live trio guitar, bass, drum= s.  the hiccup was not as noticeable, but i didn't get to try looping=20= as much as i'd hoped, so i can't fairly evaluate that. the sub out feature=20= worked really well, sending the loop only to our drummer.  also the st= ereo inputs and outputs came in handy, as i'm working with a taylor t-5 with= the option of an acoustic sound and an electric sound.  the stereo si= tuation let me loop with acoustic, play over it with electric, vice versa an= d any combination thereof.

oh, and one other thing that drives me crazy....the default setting for the=20= guide track is that when you turn the unit on, the guide track is set to go,= so you have to always remember to turn that damn thing off.

thanks,
john --part1_49d.2cb36b5.31c047a9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 17:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24A563BED2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.28.245.154] X-Originating-Email: [pushingair@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pushingair@hotmail.com From: "Diana Thompson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:06:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2006 17:06:18.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFF72620:01C68F0B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:06:23 +0000 (UTC) I'm trying to record a demo using the RC-20, a Behringer Eurorack MX602A mixing board, and Cakewalk on PC. I'd like to be able to send the live voice to one track and the looped voice to another. Right now, I can set the live voice to one track, but the Loopstation passes the live voice along with the looped voice to the second. Is there a method or a hack to bypass the live voice and send only the loops? Thanks, Diana _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 17:25:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE573BEB8; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002501c68f0e$5a888b90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001b01c68ed0$135c0fa0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: internet jam partners Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:24:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <9fnjOB.A.hIG.GUvjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) >Using the Ninjam public servers isn't something you want to do for several >reasons (like limited control over tempo/bpi settings or dickhead Eighties >rock guitarists barging in). I tried the public servers and, apparently, I use "too many effects." What? Using 6 delays/loopers is too much? What was I thinking?!? I did back off, loaded up a nice organ patch on the kbd and played along. It's fun, but it gets sort of... boring after a bit. The latency makes it hard to do any kind of real chord progressions so we wound up just jamming over 'A' for 15 minutes. There were some cool moments, but I can't see doing it more than once in a long while. Doing experimental noise on the other hand, now that is fun! Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: AW: internet jam partners Using the Ninjam public servers isn't something you want to do for several reasons (like limited control over tempo/bpi settings or dickhead Eighties rock guitarists barging in). I think the only one among us who has a Ninjam server running which can accomodate several people is Krispen...Krispen? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 17:29:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB46C3BEC1; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <002501c68f0e$5a888b90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> References: <001b01c68ed0$135c0fa0$0101a8c0@succubus> <002501c68f0e$5a888b90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Steuart Liebig and the Mentones.... Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:29:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <6dG70D.A.5XG.IYvjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:29:44 +0000 (UTC) I know many of you are quite familiar with Steuart Liebig's contrabass=20= guitar playing....no looping on this one, but his new album is=20 awesome...rocks.... two complete free tracks to download as well...... http://www.pfmentum.com:2086/ best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 17:31:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52253BED6; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c68ed0$135c0fa0$0101a8c0@succubus> <002501c68f0e$5a888b90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <75958b4411f8606e91df6b0e2b5a71ed@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Steuart Liebig and the Mentones.... Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:31:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <_oUyH.A.ekG.0ZvjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:31:32 +0000 (UTC) whoops! gave you my cpanel address.... http://www.pfmentum.com Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 13, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I know many of you are quite familiar with Steuart Liebig's contrabass=20= > guitar playing....no looping on this one, but his new album is=20 > awesome...rocks.... > > two complete free tracks to download as well...... > > http://www.pfmentum.com:2086/ > > best, > > Jeff > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 17:50:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B7CB3BEA9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q7gu++BeaJzBL0lDVYz8hdfetUHQbehCXubUe6krs2Bmb/URJllPfnWevBsxciYZUEdidmprmX4zjmVetRVtIUylLW9hsEG/V9BoG8TffO1JPj2kdwKQytsyVNV/mGVEIfQODd16ln+QlFURbU2Qpxm/giieS+jzBzwHrPXfHj0= Message-ID: <913728d60606131050sb656c0ap960beb41829a5965@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:50:51 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: internet jam partners In-Reply-To: <002501c68f0e$5a888b90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001b01c68ed0$135c0fa0$0101a8c0@succubus> <002501c68f0e$5a888b90$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:50:52 +0000 (UTC) maybe if we can fill up one of those ninjam server rooms with all loopers so that there is no room for others...i haven't or don't really plan on thinking this through, but i was just thinking out loud digitally ;) if it were at all ever possible to have more than two loopers get together, i'd love to be a part of that :) Charlie On 6/13/06, Tony K wrote: > >Using the Ninjam public servers isn't something you want to do for several > >reasons (like limited control over tempo/bpi settings or dickhead Eighties > >rock guitarists barging in). > > I tried the public servers and, apparently, I use "too many effects." What? > Using 6 delays/loopers is too much? What was I thinking?!? > > I did back off, loaded up a nice organ patch on the kbd and played along. > It's fun, but it gets sort of... boring after a bit. The latency makes it > hard to do any kind of real chord progressions so we wound up just jamming > over 'A' for 15 minutes. There were some cool moments, but I can't see > doing it more than once in a long while. > > Doing experimental noise on the other hand, now that is fun! > > Tony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:59 AM > Subject: AW: internet jam partners > > > Using the Ninjam public servers isn't something you want to do for several > reasons (like limited control over tempo/bpi settings or dickhead Eighties > rock guitarists barging in). > > I think the only one among us who has a Ninjam server running which can > accomodate several people is Krispen...Krispen? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 18:10:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9439F3BEC5; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-116301553 Message-Id: <247bb17594cca1df6ffb1508c195d6ce@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:09:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <64ZZJC.A.mM._9vjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:10:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-116301553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Let's see: Well... there's much more to slide than blues! George Harrison, that guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder... lots of folks. The only limit is our imaginations... and... TIME! Probably it is a good idea to not play on it till the doc tells you it's okay. I did that once when I'd cut my finger with a power saw. Did a gig one night and the finger literally exploded blood all over my guitar and just missed the folks in the front of the audience. You can imagine just how much the audience loved THAT! I re-bandaged it and kept on playing... but it took a while to heal because of that. Time is fleeting - and the other side of the money coin is, so is money! And it is only money so, if it's your BIRTHDAY... then it may indeed be time to indulge! I'm certainly NOT one to talk about self restraint.... but I am trying to learn. peace richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 8:34 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Sales > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 16:12 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > >> The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed her finger with >> a sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling in the finger. >> She smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - the whole >> finger was wide open - gruesome. > > Yep, I had to clean up the blood before we left for the hospital, it > was all over the new stone tiles and they hadn't been sealed yet! > >> Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, the feeling and >> a lot of the motion was restored with acupuncture. > > I'll ask my acupuncturist about this. She's done wonders for blood > pressure and circulation around injured bits before! > >> I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as healing time. >> But the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember Django Reinhart? > > Er, while I've been tempted by a very fast right hand with the idea of > re-learning to play Jimi-style, such is a hurdle I'll deal with only > if I have to. The middle finger's my main/center point (self-taught, > played by ear since '71). I'll tell ya it's a real temptation just to > play after going to see Fripp today. I knew it would be a little > painful thinking about playing after coming home but I really don't > want to screw up what could be healing interior-wise just by > mistakenly using that finger. > >> Time to learn how to play slide guitar? > > Too late. Started using a slide in the early 80s, long before > learning anything about Blues music. Been thinking about it, frankly. > >> My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of it, is that >> TIME is more important than equipment. > > Ah yes, but having had no disposable income - much less income - for > over six years, and seeing my 50th birthday coming up in December, > I've decided that time is something that's, as Riff Raff put it, > "fleeting". > > In preparation for unleashing myself on the public again, I need to > find a good, inexpensive guitar repair person to fix a grounding error > in ol' Cthulhu. In London, someone I can see face-to-face and trust > with my beloved tool. After several years of dealing with workmen in > London I only use good personal references. > >> Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring and wonderful >> guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... or, even >> simpler, one acoustic guitar. Just my $.02 > > I'll try to keep the bar high then, as all I've got is my ol' strat > and an Oscar Schmidt acoustic. :) Yes, here's to working within > limitations to achieve a lovely result! > > Thx! > > >> Good luck > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context > alone... > > The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the > house. On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and > wanted to play no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left > middle finger between two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting > the end like a melon. Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it > wasn't a center-on hit so I kept the nail. I can however feel the hard > bit inside where the scar tissue is forming. I massage the tip most of > the time, gently, and the feeling in the tip still hasn't come back. > I've been told by a carpenter who says he did something similar that > it won't come back for as much as three months. Obviously this effects > playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one obtains through > good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the fingertip becomes > one of finger damage through sense ignorance. > > I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid > dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say > here is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going > at it. I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my late > mum-in-law sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] > life is frigging short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient > amp system for performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the > London area when this damned finger gets better. > > So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come > back? Thx in advance. > > S. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > > > > > > ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around > a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? > > > Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? > > I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a > day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. > > Jeff --Apple-Mail-5-116301553 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Let's see: Well... there's much more to slide than blues! George Harrison, that guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder... lots of folks. The only limit is our imaginations... and... TIME! Probably it is a good idea to not play on it till the doc tells you it's okay. I did that once when I'd cut my finger with a power saw. Did a gig one night and the finger literally exploded blood all over my guitar and just missed the folks in the front of the audience. You can imagine just how much the audience loved THAT! I re-bandaged it and kept on playing... but it took a while to heal because of that. Time is fleeting - and the other side of the money coin is, so is money! And it is only money so, if it's your BIRTHDAY... then it may indeed be time to indulge! I'm certainly NOT one to talk about self restraint.... but I am trying to learn. peace Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 8:34 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 16:12 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed her finger with a sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling in the finger. She smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - the whole finger was wide open - gruesome. Yep, I had to clean up the blood before we left for the hospital, it was all over the new stone tiles and they hadn't been sealed yet! Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, the feeling and a lot of the motion was restored with acupuncture. I'll ask my acupuncturist about this. She's done wonders for blood pressure and circulation around injured bits before! I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as healing time. But the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember Django Reinhart? Er, while I've been tempted by a very fast right hand with the idea of re-learning to play Jimi-style, such is a hurdle I'll deal with only if I have to. The middle finger's my main/center point (self-taught, played by ear since '71). I'll tell ya it's a real temptation just to play after going to see Fripp today. I knew it would be a little painful thinking about playing after coming home but I really don't want to screw up what could be healing interior-wise just by mistakenly using that finger. Time to learn how to play slide guitar? Too late. Started using a slide in the early 80s, long before learning anything about Blues music. Been thinking about it, frankly. My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of it, is that TIME is more important than equipment. Ah yes, but having had no disposable income - much less income - for over six years, and seeing my 50th birthday coming up in December, I've decided that time is something that's, as Riff Raff put it, "fleeting". In preparation for unleashing myself on the public again, I need to find a good, inexpensive guitar repair person to fix a grounding error in ol' Cthulhu. In London, someone I can see face-to-face and trust with my beloved tool. After several years of dealing with workmen in London I only use good personal references. Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring and wonderful guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... or, even simpler, one acoustic guitar. Just my $.02 I'll try to keep the bar high then, as all I've got is my ol' strat and an Oscar Schmidt acoustic. :) Yes, here's to working within limitations to achieve a lovely result! Thx! Good luck richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context alone... The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the house. On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and wanted to play no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left middle finger between two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the end like a melon. Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a center-on hit so I kept the nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside where the scar tissue is forming. I massage the tip most of the time, gently, and the feeling in the tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a carpenter who says he did something similar that it won't come back for as much as three months. Obviously this effects playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense ignorance. I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say here is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going at it. I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my late mum-in-law sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] life is frigging short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient amp system for performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the London area when this damned finger gets better. So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come back? Thx in advance. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" < To: < Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. Jeff --Apple-Mail-5-116301553-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 18:30:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6807D3BEB5; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A545D67-FC9D-472D-B51B-BACCE6F8427E@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:29:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:30:02 +0000 (UTC) If you're on a Mac you can probably use MidiPipe to trigger an applescript to control the UI and change the tempo - although I imagine there will probably be quite significant latency. MidiPipe: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16154 Prefab IU Browser: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 18192 Prefab UI Actions: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 24580 Cheers, Craig On Jun 12, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 12 jun 2006, at 10.09, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> I still don't know if I'll be happy with Ableton for "Live" >> situations. There seem to be no keyboard/midi controlls for >> setting the meter. How am I going to switch from 4/4 to 7/8? > > Manually, by using the mouse. Unfortunately. > >> One thing encouraging: Kid Beyond seems to use control-software >> quite successfully. > > If you're interested in his set-up he posted a detailed description > on this list, maybe a year back or so. Might be possible to find by > searching the archives. The most important part is to use a third- > party software that translates external (controller) MIDI events > into computer key stroke code. That way you can control all the > stuff in Ableton that can not be mapped to external MIDI. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 18:35:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 397453BECF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KNG6AYq7/BmUg+HKYjszkeK2u7vgoDKvHImco+uvyBgHWyd6y7t8yXtm+zkWzC3I/PYiYu1/lXjmZq+MPjlE2x11uScaNaJrwa6WZbYFtamF00WS5CGtwdVNr1TKZnAX4r1poZZfkGzem7PzX3lTC/A7QVx1vTJbuPJJWfUYZ48= In-Reply-To: <39C6EA06-F292-4EB1-9098-52BD48991DD7@gmail.com> References: <006e01c68c22$ec3b6510$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> <39C6EA06-F292-4EB1-9098-52BD48991DD7@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <359B58A1-440F-4204-89D6-11237048C938@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:35:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:35:18 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 13, 2006, at 4:39 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm sharing a short clip from todays solo rehearsal with tenor sax > + laptop with Mobius: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/busonetothere.mp3 Hi I like that clip, nice and funky. I was listening to it in Audion player and strangely it showed the kbps rate jumping between 128, 160, 192, 224, randomly in time with the beat. I have never seen that happen before in Audion, but it is legacy so maybe it is glitching new encodings. Did not hurt playback but quite odd. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 18:40:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 731133BEC1; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=eO3opcTd5Rkq3rb/Wx/jgxvvdZadOw39Ns/9YiPuPq9A7nI3inSj3OtEfHKpYD82wfjwAJ6kXS0Sh1smX5CmHPK8t7QqVsc1Y9J1C5Irtd5lI02V8UsQUE28bO4NlAT7m5vkNIKIstkzZ5BmkuEx3y8CTdrSMvSZbBDxYG7jTIU= In-Reply-To: <0A545D67-FC9D-472D-B51B-BACCE6F8427E@craigmccollough.com> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> <0A545D67-FC9D-472D-B51B-BACCE6F8427E@craigmccollough.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:40:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Another OSX alternative could be midiStroke; http://www.charlie- roberts.com/ ...and if you run your PC with Windows you may use Bomes MIDI Translator: http://www.charlie-roberts.com/ These utilities translate incoming MIDI events to computer key strokes. But I'm not so sure they can translate MIDI into mouse movements, as would be needed to change the meter in Ableton Live. Good luck, hope you get this solved. Please post eventual success story ;-) Per On 13 jun 2006, at 20.29, Craig McCollough wrote: > If you're on a Mac you can probably use MidiPipe to trigger an > applescript to control the UI and change the tempo - although I > imagine there will probably be quite significant latency. > > MidiPipe: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16154 > Prefab IU Browser: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/ > macosx/18192 > Prefab UI Actions: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/ > macosx/24580 > > Cheers, > Craig > > On Jun 12, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 12 jun 2006, at 10.09, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> >>> I still don't know if I'll be happy with Ableton for "Live" >>> situations. There seem to be no keyboard/midi controlls for >>> setting the meter. How am I going to switch from 4/4 to 7/8? >> >> Manually, by using the mouse. Unfortunately. >> >>> One thing encouraging: Kid Beyond seems to use control-software >>> quite successfully. >> >> If you're interested in his set-up he posted a detailed >> description on this list, maybe a year back or so. Might be >> possible to find by searching the archives. The most important >> part is to use a third-party software that translates external >> (controller) MIDI events into computer key stroke code. That way >> you can control all the stuff in Ableton that can not be mapped to >> external MIDI. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 18:46:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309B93BEC2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RF0vkJiAU6mB2X7jjas71KRWIEjT/Jy+GOJQQgwBC14EIJVC4c5IkA06Cm7b1ieW7hpDoToiCiO9/ymL+TDYTpGhyZBuF7/ZA4hCDBXOxC/EmOM80Q4uH6Fy7LV7LCaSCnsqbrIS3BrrmOQ/odVndP0KQKsvxtkXfLjij16+FGM= In-Reply-To: <359B58A1-440F-4204-89D6-11237048C938@gmail.com> References: <006e01c68c22$ec3b6510$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> <39C6EA06-F292-4EB1-9098-52BD48991DD7@gmail.com> <359B58A1-440F-4204-89D6-11237048C938@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8CB4AA93-64AC-4633-8E38-8A84B9A37331@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:46:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:46:21 +0000 (UTC) > On Jun 13, 2006, at 4:39 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I'm sharing a short clip from todays solo rehearsal with tenor sax >> + laptop with Mobius: >> http://www.looproom.com/audio/busonetothere.mp3 > On 13 jun 2006, at 20.35, RP Collier wrote: > Hi > > I like that clip, nice and funky. > > I was listening to it in Audion player and strangely it showed the > kbps rate jumping between 128, 160, 192, 224, randomly in time with > the beat. Wow - strange! But funny! ;-) Maybe it happened because I tagged the mp3's ID3 tag with "tempo: 1551"? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 18:55:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593233BEB6; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c68f1a$d68cef40$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <46fea78d0606121753g764d0839g3533278b83c13c98@mail.gmail.com> <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> <416d75fb1cec1c3abecd212575dc4c73@glasswing.com> <001101c68efe$dc3e0fd0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <247bb17594cca1df6ffb1508c195d6ce@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:54:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C68F23.37950C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:55:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C68F23.37950C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The funny part is that this is the same finger I sliced in a v-cut in = 1977 while sliding it up the string just too damned fast. The blood! = At the hospital it was interesting as we were all in a semi-altered = state and when the intern asked me how it happened: "It was my guitar, = man!" Alas. As a person born two days after Christmas, I've decided that everyday is = my birthday. :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Sales=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 19:09 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Let's see: Well... there's much more to slide than blues! George Harrison, that = guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder... lots of folks. The only = limit is our imaginations... and... TIME! Probably it is a good idea to not play on it till the doc tells you = it's okay. I did that once when I'd cut my finger with a power saw. Did = a gig one night and the finger literally exploded blood all over my = guitar and just missed the folks in the front of the audience. You can = imagine just how much the audience loved THAT! I re-bandaged it and kept = on playing... but it took a while to heal because of that.=20 Time is fleeting - and the other side of the money coin is, so is = money! And it is only money so, if it's your BIRTHDAY... then it may = indeed be time to indulge! I'm certainly NOT one to talk about self = restraint.... but I am trying to learn. peace richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 8:34 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 16:12 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed her finger = with a sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling in the = finger. She smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - the = whole finger was wide open - gruesome. Yep, I had to clean up the blood before we left for the hospital, it = was all over the new stone tiles and they hadn't been sealed yet! Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, the feeling = and a lot of the motion was restored with acupuncture. I'll ask my acupuncturist about this. She's done wonders for blood = pressure and circulation around injured bits before! I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as healing = time. But the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember Django Reinhart? Er, while I've been tempted by a very fast right hand with the idea = of re-learning to play Jimi-style, such is a hurdle I'll deal with only = if I have to. The middle finger's my main/center point (self-taught, = played by ear since '71). I'll tell ya it's a real temptation just to = play after going to see Fripp today. I knew it would be a little painful = thinking about playing after coming home but I really don't want to = screw up what could be healing interior-wise just by mistakenly using = that finger. Time to learn how to play slide guitar? Too late. Started using a slide in the early 80s, long before = learning anything about Blues music. Been thinking about it, frankly. My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of it, is that = TIME is more important than equipment. Ah yes, but having had no disposable income - much less income - for = over six years, and seeing my 50th birthday coming up in December, I've = decided that time is something that's, as Riff Raff put it, "fleeting". In preparation for unleashing myself on the public again, I need to = find a good, inexpensive guitar repair person to fix a grounding error = in ol' Cthulhu. In London, someone I can see face-to-face and trust with = my beloved tool. After several years of dealing with workmen in London I = only use good personal references. Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring and = wonderful guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... or, = even simpler, one acoustic guitar. Just my $.02 I'll try to keep the bar high then, as all I've got is my ol' strat = and an Oscar Schmidt acoustic. :) Yes, here's to working within = limitations to achieve a lovely result! Thx! Good luck richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context = alone... The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the = house. On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and = wanted to play no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left = middle finger between two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting = the end like a melon. Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't = a center-on hit so I kept the nail. I can however feel the hard bit = inside where the scar tissue is forming. I massage the tip most of the = time, gently, and the feeling in the tip still hasn't come back. I've = been told by a carpenter who says he did something similar that it won't = come back for as much as three months. Obviously this effects playing - = and even if one excludes the nuances one obtains through good = feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the fingertip becomes one of = finger damage through sense ignorance. I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having = lucid dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to = say here is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before = going at it. I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my = late mum-in-law sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that = [a] life is frigging short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient = amp system for performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the = London area when this damned finger gets better. So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come = back? Thx in advance. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" = To: Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way = around a keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours = a day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. Jeff=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C68F23.37950C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The funny part is that this is the same finger I = sliced in a=20 v-cut in 1977 while sliding it up the string just too damned fast.  = The=20 blood!  At the hospital it was interesting as we were all in a = semi-altered=20 state and when the intern asked me how it happened: "It was my guitar,=20 man!"  Alas.
 
As a person born two days after Christmas, I've = decided that=20 everyday is my birthday. :)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Sales
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 = 19:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: Way OT: EM = fingers!

Let's see:

Well... there's much more to slide = than=20 blues! George Harrison, that guy from India who recorded with Ry = Cooder...=20 lots of folks. The only limit is our imaginations... and...=20 TIME!

Probably it is a good idea to not play on it till = the doc=20 tells you it's okay. I did that once when I'd cut my finger with a = power saw.=20 Did a gig one night and the finger literally exploded blood all over = my guitar=20 and just missed the folks in the front of the audience. You can = imagine just=20 how much the audience loved THAT! I re-bandaged it and kept on = playing... but=20 it took a while to heal because of that.

Time is fleeting - = and the=20 other side of the money coin is, so is money! And it is only = money so,=20 if it's your BIRTHDAY... then it may indeed be time to indulge! I'm = certainly=20 NOT one to talk about self restraint.... but I am trying to=20 learn.

peace

richard = sales
glassWing farm and=20 studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com

O= n=20 13-Jun-06, at 8:34 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote:


----- Original Message ----- From: Richard = Sales
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 = 16:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers!


The woman who's husband I am... (PC anyone?!) crushed = her=20 finger with a sledge hammer a few years ago. Lost all the feeling = in the=20 finger. She smashed it much worse than you, I can guarantee it - = the whole=20 finger was wide open - gruesome.

Yep, I had to = clean up=20 the blood before we left for the hospital, it was all over the new = stone=20 tiles and they hadn't been sealed yet!

Anyhow, after a year or so of trying everything else, = the=20 feeling and a lot of the motion was restored with=20 acupuncture.

I'll ask my acupuncturist about = this. She's=20 done wonders for blood pressure and circulation around injured bits=20 before!

I think the carpenter might be close to right as far as=20 healing time. But the rest of your fingers work, eh? Remember = Django=20 Reinhart?

Er, while I've been tempted by a = very fast=20 right hand with the idea of re-learning to play Jimi-style, such is = a hurdle=20 I'll deal with only if I have to. The middle finger's my main/center = point=20 (self-taught, played by ear since '71). I'll tell ya it's a real = temptation=20 just to play after going to see Fripp today. I knew it would be a = little=20 painful thinking about playing after coming home but I really don't = want to=20 screw up what could be healing interior-wise just by mistakenly = using that=20 finger.

Time to learn how to play slide = guitar?

Too=20 late. Started using a slide in the early 80s, long before learning = anything=20 about Blues music. Been thinking about it, frankly.

My own take on money, after having spent huge piles of = it, is=20 that TIME is more important than equipment.

Ah = yes, but=20 having had no disposable income - much less income - for over six = years, and=20 seeing my 50th birthday coming up in December, I've decided that = time is=20 something that's, as Riff Raff put it, "fleeting".

In = preparation for=20 unleashing myself on the public again, I need to find a good, = inexpensive=20 guitar repair person to fix a grounding error in ol' Cthulhu. In = London,=20 someone I can see face-to-face and trust with my beloved tool. After = several=20 years of dealing with workmen in London I only use good personal=20 references.

Some of the most riveting, entertaining, soul stirring = and=20 wonderful guitarists I've ever known just used a Tele and amp... = or, even=20 simpler, one acoustic guitar. Just my = $.02

I'll try to=20 keep the bar high then, as all I've got is my ol' strat and an Oscar = Schmidt=20 acoustic. :) Yes, here's to working within limitations to achieve a = lovely=20 result!

Thx!


Good luck

richard sales
glassWing = farm=20 and studio
vancouver island,=20 = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richards= ales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On=20 13-Jun-06, at 1:41 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote:


Okay, I = knew I'd=20 ask about this but now have no choice from context = alone...

The rig=20 has been down for several months given massive works on the house. = On a=20 weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and wanted to = play no=20 matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left middle finger = between two=20 big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the end like a melon. = Didn't=20 break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a center-on hit so I kept = the=20 nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside where the scar tissue = is=20 forming. I massage the tip most of the time, gently, and the feeling = in the=20 tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a carpenter who says = he did=20 something similar that it won't come back for as much as three = months.=20 Obviously this effects playing - and even if one excludes the = nuances one=20 obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the=20 fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense = ignorance.

I was=20 itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid = dreams=20 about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say here = is an=20 illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going at it. = I'm going=20 to come into just a little bit of money via my late mum-in-law = sometime in=20 the next month or so, and have decided that [a] life is frigging = short, and=20 [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient amp system for performance = purposes=20 and rent a couple of halls in the London area when this damned = finger gets=20 better.

So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for = this to=20 come back? Thx in advance.

S.

----- Original Message = -----=20 From: "Jeff Shirkey" <jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu>
To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 13 = June, 2006=20 02:04 AM
Subject: Re: Way OT: EM = fingers!






...=20 but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a = keyboard, or a guitar.... your house?


Actually, no. :) = How would=20 this help someone make music?

I currently treat a fractured = bone in=20 my foot with EM waves 10 hours a day. I'm not sure that's something = I'd want=20 to feel.

Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C68F23.37950C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 18:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 264C43BEB2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jk8+HVg2Tnwr3QdpXOHjUReuBpBO/xWpWLY5uO2RiIj5BHlPoKQdY1Rn5hMgGeRW0AzFgdwduGGCh7bLgGJWTp1RmIfVDnIfZG+soqn1SsN3nh+SDhHpckIm17YmBL3ChFjiEFQ8aAKQl2GSJG2C/oLzR3KLRu6TgcJQfDBnfn8= In-Reply-To: <8CB4AA93-64AC-4633-8E38-8A84B9A37331@gmail.com> References: <006e01c68c22$ec3b6510$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> <39C6EA06-F292-4EB1-9098-52BD48991DD7@gmail.com> <359B58A1-440F-4204-89D6-11237048C938@gmail.com> <8CB4AA93-64AC-4633-8E38-8A84B9A37331@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <587DCE91-2D9D-4E03-BD55-062F72C1A41E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:56:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_-ca6C.A.MdC.kpwjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:56:37 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 13, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Wow - strange! But funny! ;-) Maybe it happened because I tagged > the mp3's ID3 tag with "tempo: 1551"? I just checked it in iTunes and it displays a bitrate of 158 kbps (?) and it is tagged (VBR) so maybe Audion for some reason is tracking the variable bit rate. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 19:03:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775133BEAF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e0iYUq7BPuiX9UAbURi/ZH8VXROMgXHI6sdAtGrz7KjLECH43hzH57r2I68DA8/OoDmkZlg3GUf/D/Fdc3Jgz1CDKj1SsC8DyO1BRX4XMbCd7mxr83nm0WhuZrYOdoN2QwYJLnQGdHKAx7FS/wQI5TaBHX71KbfswvDFG0im3RM= ; Message-ID: <20060613190309.7668.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60606121859v7fd0fa8q7657561df1c1c69b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:03:10 +0000 (UTC) --- Charlie Milkey wrote: by the time the repeater MkII > comes out, i bet > that at least 50% of the people who were dead-set on > buying a repeater > when it was first announced will be perfectly happy > with something > else...just my thoughts Yeah, I agree. Each person who buys an RC-50, 2880 or Looperlative was a potential Repeater customer lost. Sure, each device is unique, but as the looper market grows (yay!) each devices slice of that tiny market will be even smaller. Don't even get into the people like Per who've gone to the software side. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 19:04:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A195E3BEAB; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BQNMixsyY78Qly2Qpz0+s6Tp5gjEQ5HS6egMZzHpVa+Ufn/9eT1/UExBxxxC0OfCv0EQSbErb2C3rEANPYjb7RSQox9609La2yuIb62B7bOiKhElj5woyyw6ODYNMVX3dzJVwg74v2wUC+j+BpEWNXLLPgntzZL+lKjH3tYFU3Y= ; Message-ID: <20060613190421.90828.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:04:46 +0000 (UTC) I had my name on Alto Music's group buy list and they didn't take a dime from me. I think everyone who's purchased from them has had a good experience. Mark --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > > > > If the Repeater never surfaces again, will the > world be any more > > diminished? > > The issue is that they announced new products, took > money from > customers (or, more to the point, many retailers > did), and have kept > people completely in the dark. I'd say that's reason > enough to be a > little irked. > > > spelling it out in tabloid detail, allow them at > least, a bit of > > corporate > > face saving, rather than hold them up to the same > standards as a > > company > > like Roland with much deeper pockets, > > I don't think anyone is asking for tabloid detail. > But periodic > (quarterly??) updates would be nice. At the very > least it would show > some genuine concern for potential customers--not to > mention good > faith on their part. I don't think that's asking too > much. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 19:06:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BE753BEB8; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3zRVEkISDUwBCQVUFecm46e9VsofFpkYRVIbvlD060h1bMG9LP2ffeqa9IZ3rJHAFrmE/lRKpJHQGnIjRBbubNcGJAk46vjMafKmGEr9vvAWjwE13pAWuwQDIx4LpI5QDB0uiiTVyi764Io9qaUHZj8TXXp6tKnIbrRzyLHlwAI= ; Message-ID: <20060613190559.25261.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <24EB72CF-A623-4042-93E5-35B6E506A0CD@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Me? Facetious? NEVER! ;) --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > O- > > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > What about the warmth that only real led > > gives your tone? > > I can't tell if you're serious about this or not. > Are you just being > facetious? > > I'll go ahead and ask the dumb question, since no > one else has. Why > couldn't they release two different units--one that > meets EU specs > and another one that does not--and does not > (presumably) need to? > Shouldn't the latter unit be ready to go now, and > wouldn't that end > the speculation about whether or not a mk2 will ever > see the light of > day? > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 19:28:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 980B73BED3; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JPwLJoGWqUTlV24X0WJwNQEQKJzhfrZhZHqGyvJxSbqNM7iBgoui8w1XTUEwO9kM; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220066213193145410@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:31:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406f5234005592ef4e9488c9bd18686e6d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.188 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Stephen: I have no useful medical advice to offer, nothing but my sincere wishes for your speedy recovery. Yours in Sound, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Stephen Goodman > To: > Date: 6/13/2006 4:41:33 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no choice from context alone... > > The rig has been down for several months given massive works on the house. > On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had it and wanted to play > no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my left middle finger between > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the end like a melon. > Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a center-on hit so I kept > the nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside where the scar tissue is > forming. I massage the tip most of the time, gently, and the feeling in the > tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a carpenter who says he did > something similar that it won't come back for as much as three months. > Obviously this effects playing - and even if one excludes the nuances one > obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of not feeling the > fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense ignorance. > > I was itching to play before this happened, and have been having lucid > dreams about playing since a week after the accident. Needless to say here > is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate before going at it. > I'm going to come into just a little bit of money via my late mum-in-law > sometime in the next month or so, and have decided that [a] life is frigging > short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient amp system for > performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in the London area when this > damned finger gets better. > > So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take for this to come back? > Thx in advance. > > S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > > > > >> > >> ... but can you imagine how you could use this to feel your way around a > >> keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? > > > > Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make music? > > > > I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with EM waves 10 hours a > > day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to feel. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 19:30:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E0A73BEAF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060613190309.7668.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060613190309.7668.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:09:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:30:08 +0000 (UTC) I don't know... I've got around 8 or 9 different loopers... always room for another! >--- Charlie Milkey wrote: > >by the time the repeater MkII >> comes out, i bet >> that at least 50% of the people who were dead-set on >> buying a repeater >> when it was first announced will be perfectly happy >> with something >> else...just my thoughts > >Yeah, I agree. Each person who buys an RC-50, 2880 or >Looperlative was a potential Repeater customer lost. >Sure, each device is unique, but as the looper market >grows (yay!) each devices slice of that tiny market >will be even smaller. Don't even get into the people >like Per who've gone to the software side. > >Mark > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 19:36:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33803BED0; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FDImHKyIjlLB30gGdJ595PMzSEQ/vHY9g2dNEJ0f2PKSunI7cDzLF29NzL+Le1C8Bw3dcS6B+4QGsYpolaqL2iLk4KEdxYY6UllFlPhhPy4nOPiiDMUaP/Yv13dPoJEyikgw6RtHShR+BvkmEqf7EZkNcCERIFmpZXUkvQU4MFo= In-Reply-To: <587DCE91-2D9D-4E03-BD55-062F72C1A41E@gmail.com> References: <006e01c68c22$ec3b6510$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> <39C6EA06-F292-4EB1-9098-52BD48991DD7@gmail.com> <359B58A1-440F-4204-89D6-11237048C938@gmail.com> <8CB4AA93-64AC-4633-8E38-8A84B9A37331@gmail.com> <587DCE91-2D9D-4E03-BD55-062F72C1A41E@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <22E40295-15F4-46D7-B492-6EAC3C868F69@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: todays rehearsal clip shared :-) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:36:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:36:46 +0000 (UTC) On 13 jun 2006, at 20.56, RP Collier wrote: > 158 kbps (?) and it is tagged (VBR) What!!! ;-D) You're right! Thanks for the heads up, I replaced the file now. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 384FD3BEAC; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060613190421.90828.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Well that is good to know, yes usumption is the mother of all F*&k ups my bad. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Some info about the Repeater mk2 (not much, though :) I had my name on Alto Music's group buy list and they didn't take a dime from me. I think everyone who's purchased from them has had a good experience. Mark --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > > > > If the Repeater never surfaces again, will the > world be any more > > diminished? > > The issue is that they announced new products, took > money from > customers (or, more to the point, many retailers > did), and have kept > people completely in the dark. I'd say that's reason > enough to be a > little irked. > > > spelling it out in tabloid detail, allow them at > least, a bit of > > corporate > > face saving, rather than hold them up to the same > standards as a > > company > > like Roland with much deeper pockets, > > I don't think anyone is asking for tabloid detail. > But periodic > (quarterly??) updates would be nice. At the very > least it would show > some genuine concern for potential customers--not to > mention good > faith on their part. I don't think that's asking too > much. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:24:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BB3A3BEC1; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gs1dqH1Fju32Uh1ZNg59ioGCx7J0Mc+FcH8RCvHOY2ewJAOpH25xJi11/m4NC1kjru1reeJLGbrWAfnLOeUS/HpaX/oJEOLfdnaE6h3bAJ7abiJ7pfe1AABe0CrYCxg6rgHtufS8+rJEAO+h3kaKraEH/1UL1/nBCExdDkK6m58= ; Message-ID: <20060613212401.97504.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Due to new stem cell and cloning regulations in the US the Againinator MKII won't be shipping until 2008. Also, can you PETA people back off? It's only part animal. Gern Blanston Againinator Research __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:35:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 995843BEB9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cFAFlzOYpo+r5NdolQ5gqj21bmhvIIQCx21f+Knczx+HkIFnxGERkIoU8C/qVkjCOWTtU4DSZ/pBYwuMgcztEwafz0OAY44KCDlpTri5xlURGKHdytjsyum9nizdOCAhS62E+fglocWL8+h+ENbun5Vy0+e5YIy7Ik7uS0WVvOQ= ; Message-ID: <20060613213532.26204.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004501c68ec5$22255010$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:35:34 +0000 (UTC) ouch on the digit man.maybe using a leach on the fingertip could increase the blood flow to that area. and then you could write a song or get a nick-name leachfinger... heal fast, scary visionary ps.watch out for lawn-mower mufflers... --- Stephen Goodman wrote: > Okay, I knew I'd ask about this but now have no > choice from context alone... > > The rig has been down for several months given > massive works on the house. > On a weekend three or so weeks ago when I'd just had > it and wanted to play > no matter what, I stupidly crushed the end of my > left middle finger between > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting the > end like a melon. > Didn't break anything (x-ray check) and it wasn't a > center-on hit so I kept > the nail. I can however feel the hard bit inside > where the scar tissue is > forming. I massage the tip most of the time, > gently, and the feeling in the > tip still hasn't come back. I've been told by a > carpenter who says he did > something similar that it won't come back for as > much as three months. > Obviously this effects playing - and even if one > excludes the nuances one > obtains through good feeling-control, the hazard of > not feeling the > fingertip becomes one of finger damage through sense > ignorance. > > I was itching to play before this happened, and have > been having lucid > dreams about playing since a week after the > accident. Needless to say here > is an illustration as to why one should not hesitate > before going at it. > I'm going to come into just a little bit of money > via my late mum-in-law > sometime in the next month or so, and have decided > that [a] life is frigging > short, and [b] I'm going to get a small, efficient > amp system for > performance purposes and rent a couple of halls in > the London area when this > damned finger gets better. > > So, guitarists on the list: How long will it take > for this to come back? > Thx in advance. > > S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 02:04 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > > > > >> > >> ... but can you imagine how you could use this to > feel your way around a > >> keyboard, or a guitar.... your house? > > > > Actually, no. :) How would this help someone make > music? > > > > I currently treat a fractured bone in my foot with > EM waves 10 hours a > > day. I'm not sure that's something I'd want to > feel. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:42:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0267D3BEB8; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: "Diana Thompson" , Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:42:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c41a28610e66247425f293e831df312e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: <0Gx9uD.A.4x.aFzjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Not possible. Most recording software lets you set up loops - wouldn't that be easier? Adrian West www.adrianwest.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:06 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? > > > I'm trying to record a demo using the RC-20, a Behringer Eurorack MX602A > mixing board, and Cakewalk on PC. I'd like to be able to send the > live voice > to one track and the looped voice to another. Right now, I can > set the live > voice to one track, but the Loopstation passes the live voice > along with the > looped voice to the second. > > Is there a method or a hack to bypass the live voice and send only the > loops? > > Thanks, > > Diana > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:43:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D9933BEC1; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071D98@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20060613212401.97504.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! Thread-Index: AcaPL8ez3CKqA0TEQCOJvUJOk1iRKgAAX6NA From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:43:04 +0000 (UTC) I hope all of us still waiting for the Againinator Mk I will be able to upgrade to the Mk II software when both are available! Is the new code being optimized for the DNA in the Mk II? =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8043BECF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060613212401.97504.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Also like me, they are having trouble with, for a lack of better description, "short term memory issues". Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! Due to new stem cell and cloning regulations in the US the Againinator MKII won't be shipping until 2008. Also, can you PETA people back off? It's only part animal. Gern Blanston Againinator Research __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:43:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 572683BEB9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AWe9UsKoGffMHXtnC8gH9XtgudWY0zRXRA8iCk+RGrSl8tGnIGDE1dw3I8nr/imOB2cLlS8nEhy4UdnxMELZfU2NrXic1d0WScuWA5/051Q1AE3izCnA1QGePdtWQ1gnzhwLpwFQJaMOLxM6SOka6tdPyUQEXbYr8m8ScB+mYHs= ; Message-ID: <20060613214356.76237.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:43:56 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-220066213193145410@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:43:57 +0000 (UTC) I cut my left hand pinky once with a hunting knife. Right down to the bone starting at the top and ending down near the first knuckle. FUN! I didn't play for nearly a year. I'm sure I probably could have but I think I lapsed into a bit of a depression/fear of it. It took years to get full feeling from it, but there was 80% fairly early. My doctor told me I'd never play the paino again and he was right. Luckily, I never had before the injury so it wasn't much of a loss. ;) I can't say you'll have the same experience, but don't let yourself get mentally held back by your injury. Work through the pain. I'm sorry I didn't. Mark > > [Original Message] > > From: Stephen Goodman > > To: > > Date: 6/13/2006 4:41:33 AM > > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > > > I stupidly crushed the end of my > left middle finger > between > > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting > the end like a melon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 21:50:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95E5A3BEC5; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071D98@keel.sailpoint.com> Message-ID: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071D98@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:50:59 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, jeff larson wrote: > I hope all of us still waiting for the Againinator Mk I > will be able to upgrade to the Mk II software when > both are available! Is the new code being > optimized for the DNA in the Mk II? > > Jeff I have been informed that a tRNA transfer/upgrade pack will be available for Mk I users from the Umbrella Corporation. best, Steve B Patient five, umm, I mean beta tester. Yeah, that's it? Beta tester. Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 22:01:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448EC3BEC2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c68f34$ce821220$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060613214356.76237.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:00:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:01:02 +0000 (UTC) I really appreciate the input so far -- It so happens that I HAVE an acupuncturist who's very good. I'm going to start with her and see how it goes. The most troubling part is the hard bit inside, I know it's forming scar tissue, so as long as I can get the feeling back it'll be fine... Hell, I can still type 60wpm, so it couldn't be that bad. I'm more worried about the fact that even with feeling I've gotten some hellacious blisters just by not paying too much attention. Of course the more ecstatic I get by playing, ah well, but am it Art? :) Cheers everyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 22:43 PM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! >I cut my left hand pinky once with a hunting knife. > Right down to the bone starting at the top and ending > down near the first knuckle. FUN! > > I didn't play for nearly a year. I'm sure I probably > could have but I think I lapsed into a bit of a > depression/fear of it. It took years to get full > feeling from it, but there was 80% fairly early. My > doctor told me I'd never play the paino again and he > was right. Luckily, I never had before the injury so > it wasn't much of a loss. ;) > > I can't say you'll have the same experience, but don't > let yourself get mentally held back by your injury. > Work through the pain. I'm sorry I didn't. > > Mark > >> > [Original Message] >> > From: Stephen Goodman >> > To: >> > Date: 6/13/2006 4:41:33 AM >> > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! >> > >> > I stupidly crushed the end of my >> left middle finger >> between >> > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting >> the end like a melon. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 22:11:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC2983BECF; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.28.245.154] X-Originating-Email: [pushingair@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pushingair@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Diana Thompson" To: adrian@adrianwest.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:11:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2006 22:11:05.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[43F12180:01C68F36] Resent-Message-ID: <6QYUgD.A.pLC.7fzjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:11:07 +0000 (UTC) That's an idea. I've worked with setting up my loops in Cakewalk before and found it more difficult to get the loops to measure well with the phrases. And since it's a demo, I want to get the performance as close to live as possible. It would simply be more organic for me to use my existing live setup. I understand that other loopers, like the Boomerang, allow the live line to bypass the looper output. Maybe there's a hack for this one. >From: "Adrian West" >Reply-To: >To: "Diana Thompson" >, >Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:42:38 -0700 > >Not possible. > >Most recording software lets you set up loops - wouldn't that be easier? > >Adrian West >www.adrianwest.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:06 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? > > > > > > I'm trying to record a demo using the RC-20, a Behringer Eurorack MX602A > > mixing board, and Cakewalk on PC. I'd like to be able to send the > > live voice > > to one track and the looped voice to another. Right now, I can > > set the live > > voice to one track, but the Loopstation passes the live voice > > along with the > > looped voice to the second. > > > > Is there a method or a hack to bypass the live voice and send only the > > loops? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Diana > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how >to > > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 22:21:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6800D3BEA9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: "Diana Thompson" , Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:21:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79dbe41bdb9c5ee783a38f28ce3eb308bf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:21:42 +0000 (UTC) I own a boomerang as well as an RC-20. Boomerang lets you suppress the live signal but there's no "live signal only" output. If you use a splitter to send one live signal to the looper and the other to its own recording track, you could reconstruct what you are envisioning in your recording program. After you've recorded your performance, move the live-only track in your recording back in time by one iteration of your loop, and you'll have the same result - loops minus live on one track, live signal on the other. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:11 PM > To: adrian@adrianwest.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? > > > That's an idea. I've worked with setting up my loops in Cakewalk > before and > found it more difficult to get the loops to measure well with the > phrases. > And since it's a demo, I want to get the performance as close to live as > possible. It would simply be more organic for me to use my existing live > setup. > > I understand that other loopers, like the Boomerang, allow the > live line to > bypass the looper output. Maybe there's a hack for this one. > > >From: "Adrian West" > >Reply-To: > >To: "Diana Thompson" > >, > >Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? > >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:42:38 -0700 > > > >Not possible. > > > >Most recording software lets you set up loops - wouldn't that be easier? > > > >Adrian West > >www.adrianwest.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:06 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to record a demo using the RC-20, a Behringer > Eurorack MX602A > > > mixing board, and Cakewalk on PC. I'd like to be able to send the > > > live voice > > > to one track and the looped voice to another. Right now, I can > > > set the live > > > voice to one track, but the Loopstation passes the live voice > > > along with the > > > looped voice to the second. > > > > > > Is there a method or a hack to bypass the live voice and send only the > > > loops? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for > advice on how > >to > > > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 22:30:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4636A3BECA; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GIgWCU9qeTQwB/D7cboKCE9dXZjCLAo0F6Ss5ViQAyOoheGLvSvogpCCPKym8bDBAERHFHVQfh9ptkyStFWkIBVp0GEO2WoIs5Xp27DK34dC7h7lPvLWZMWcDfmDq1Tulwu5Y9NBUdswqipulf6P+bvVr/z/6BngZNqnzkaO6sU= ; Message-ID: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8r99x.A.M_C.UyzjEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Though as far as I know he wasn't a looper himself, Gyorgy Ligeti was a huge influence to many on this list. Lux aeterna -t- 'Rantai' CD: 'Mesh' CD: Chain Tape Collective: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 22:46:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F32C93BEC1; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a501c68f3b$31451050$79b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001b01c68ed0$135c0fa0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: internet jam partners Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:46:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:46:24 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > I think the only one among us who has a Ninjam server running which can accomodate several people is Krispen...Krispen? Yes, I believe so. It is borrowed server space from someone, so I have to execute some moderation, but now that you bring it up, perhaps I'll schedule a larger group session for next month. It will be nice to get some diverse instrumentation so that the mix doesn't sound too redundant....maybe guitar, keyboard, abstract vocals, found sound, etc. Kris > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juni 2006 01:37 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: internet jam partners > > I know the thing right now seems to be one-on-one playing, > but since there seems to be a growing stable of ninjam > loopers, has anyone given thought to a whole group playing? > i know i have done ninjams with 3 others very successfully > (of course, there have been many that are equally unsuccessful ;)) > > Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 22:48:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79EB3BEC2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:48:38 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001201c68f3b$82f90c80$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060613214356.76237.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c68f34$ce821220$0207a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: <8TvhFD.A.NrD.LD0jEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Good luck with your recovery! I was making some wooden racks for the studio a few years ago and hit the left hand with a sharp knife. Cut the nerve etc in the left index finger. Immediately knew this was seriously bad. Like a tight string breaking. The surgeon was an expert on micro surgery but couldn`t promise anything. Today part of the finger is still kind of numb and a little stiff. It`s the pemanent feeling of being hit it with a hammer a few hours ago. ;-/) The good news - When playing any stringed instrument I really forget about it (possibl It`s surprising and amazing how adaptable we humans are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! >I really appreciate the input so far -- It so happens that I HAVE an >acupuncturist who's very good. I'm going to start with her and see how it >goes. The most troubling part is the hard bit inside, I know it's forming >scar tissue, so as long as I can get the feeling back it'll be fine... >Hell, I can still type 60wpm, so it couldn't be that bad. I'm more worried >about the fact that even with feeling I've gotten some hellacious blisters >just by not paying too much attention. Of course the more ecstatic I get >by playing, ah well, but am it Art? :) > > Cheers everyone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 22:43 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > >>I cut my left hand pinky once with a hunting knife. >> Right down to the bone starting at the top and ending >> down near the first knuckle. FUN! >> >> I didn't play for nearly a year. I'm sure I probably >> could have but I think I lapsed into a bit of a >> depression/fear of it. It took years to get full >> feeling from it, but there was 80% fairly early. My >> doctor told me I'd never play the paino again and he >> was right. Luckily, I never had before the injury so >> it wasn't much of a loss. ;) >> >> I can't say you'll have the same experience, but don't >> let yourself get mentally held back by your injury. >> Work through the pain. I'm sorry I didn't. >> >> Mark >> >>> > [Original Message] >>> > From: Stephen Goodman >>> > To: >>> > Date: 6/13/2006 4:41:33 AM >>> > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! >>> > >>> > I stupidly crushed the end of my >>> left middle finger >>> between >>> > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting >>> the end like a melon. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 22:52:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFE5E3BEB9; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:52:49 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001b01c68f3c$18249c20$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060613214356.76237.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001d01c68f34$ce821220$0207a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, I hit the wrong key. What I meant "The good news - When playing any stringed instrument I really forget about it (possibly my other shortcomings are too obvious to ;-)). It`s surprising and amazing how adaptable we humans are. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! >I really appreciate the input so far -- It so happens that I HAVE an >acupuncturist who's very good. I'm going to start with her and see how it >goes. The most troubling part is the hard bit inside, I know it's forming >scar tissue, so as long as I can get the feeling back it'll be fine... >Hell, I can still type 60wpm, so it couldn't be that bad. I'm more worried >about the fact that even with feeling I've gotten some hellacious blisters >just by not paying too much attention. Of course the more ecstatic I get >by playing, ah well, but am it Art? :) > > Cheers everyone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 22:43 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > >>I cut my left hand pinky once with a hunting knife. >> Right down to the bone starting at the top and ending >> down near the first knuckle. FUN! >> >> I didn't play for nearly a year. I'm sure I probably >> could have but I think I lapsed into a bit of a >> depression/fear of it. It took years to get full >> feeling from it, but there was 80% fairly early. My >> doctor told me I'd never play the paino again and he >> was right. Luckily, I never had before the injury so >> it wasn't much of a loss. ;) >> >> I can't say you'll have the same experience, but don't >> let yourself get mentally held back by your injury. >> Work through the pain. I'm sorry I didn't. >> >> Mark >> >>> > [Original Message] >>> > From: Stephen Goodman >>> > To: >>> > Date: 6/13/2006 4:41:33 AM >>> > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! >>> > >>> > I stupidly crushed the end of my >>> left middle finger >>> between >>> > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, splitting >>> the end like a melon. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 13 23:28:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 413BA3BEB2; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SP/y31VCcqE2eS1nGu+ZTVcUr/Tu7PgQOC37jjBc5/d47s23i6PaELGcq9Uw7uwJmLz+bLYqBYX1qhzbD6TP7uoNRiJ9b8wLJWta+hgidEGZE+VvuDXQgki8YUusahSk1vmh9r58vPIeXB1o6T5Casy6suuwkfkFP4CAJyZCqdc= ; Message-ID: <20060613232841.2994.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: New Standard Tuning stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44857941.3080208@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1358076828-1150241321=:2166" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-zYlw.A.29E.qo0jEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:28:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1358076828-1150241321=:2166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Man check out my buddy Jeff at www.jeffscheetz.com Many videos and audio examples as well. His band has a song with regular play on the soap opera All My Children from the title track CD Beggars Rogues and Theives. I have learned so much from him one of my first teachers. Most major cool Dogstock coming up soon as well. You will like 4 sure!!! Happy jammin, Peace!!!!! "Janosch K." wrote: Hi, may be a bit OT, but this is the only forum I know where some people have some experience with this tuning. I have been using this for about two months now, I did not play so much due to an injury which is getting better. So far I have only worked on chordal stuff, I really enjoy the new chords I can get with this. I will not attend a Guitar Craft course in the near future, because it simply doens't fit into my timing schedule at the moment, so I am asking here, because there is also no one in my area who could show me a thing or two. But now two questions: How to work on scales? The fingerings that came into my mind were: Major scale: D| 12-14-15-17 etc. G| 12-14-16-17 C| 12-14-16-17 Minor scale: D|12-13-15-17 etc. G|12-13-15-17 C|12-14-15-17 These are playable but especially the Major scale needs a lot of stretching. Any better way here? And second question: What to play? Own stuff of course, but maybe there is a bit of reportoire for the NST. I thought about trying out some cello stuff, maybe some etudes could be helpful to practice the stretching. Thanks for your time, Janosch __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1358076828-1150241321=:2166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Man check out my buddy Jeff at www.jeffscheetz.com  Many videos and audio examples as well.  His band has a song with regular play on the soap opera All My Children from the title track CD Beggars Rogues and Theives.  I have learned so much from him one of my first teachers.  Most major cool Dogstock coming up soon as well.  You will like 4 sure!!! Happy jammin, Peace!!!!!

"Janosch K." <daasp@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi,

may be a bit OT, but this is the only forum I know where some people
have some experience with this tuning. I have been using this for about
two months now, I did not play so much due to an injury which is getting
better. So far I have only worked on chordal stuff, I really enjoy the
new chords I can get with this. I will not attend a Guitar Craft course
in the near future, because it simply doens't fit into my timing
schedule at the moment, so I am asking here, because there is also no
one in my area who could show me a thing or two.
But now two questions:
How to work on scales? The fingerings that came into my mind were:
Major scale:
D| 12-14-15-17 etc.
G| 12-14-16-17
C| 12-14-16-17

Minor scale:
D|12-13-15-17 etc.
G|12-13-15-17
C|12-14-15-17

These are playable but especially the Major scale needs a lot of
stretching. Any better way here?

And second question: What to play? Own stuff of course, but maybe there
is a bit of reportoire for the NST. I thought about trying out some
cello stuff, maybe some etudes could be helpful to practice the stretching.

Thanks for your time, Janosch




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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1358076828-1150241321=:2166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 00:03:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FF483BEAC; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060613015917.CDED43BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060613015917.CDED43BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-137494267 Message-Id: <3BDEF664-A3A6-416E-AEC2-B13F5022C79E@cableaz.com> From: rds8000 Subject: Re: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 Delay / LoOper Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:03:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:03:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-137494267 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello Gerry, Thanks for the note. Please send me an email about the RDS8000 details off-list Email me at: rds8000@cableaz.com I'm definitely interested... Adam > From: grw20022 > Date: June 12, 2006 6:25:34 PM MST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 Delay / Looper > > > Hello, if you can not find one..I have one in mint...I might be > getting away afew of my equipment to get the new moog the Phatty..I > use to have a moog and it looks like moog put a good one out...if > anyone heard of this, let use know..... Gerry > > rds8000 wrote: > > rds8000 wrote: > Hello Loopers, > > I'm interested in adding a second Digitech RDS8000 to my setup. Does > anyone have one they'd like to sell? > > Best, > > Adam > > --Apple-Mail-2-137494267 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello Gerry,

Thanks for the note. Please = send me an email about the RDS8000 details off-list=A0

Email me at: rds8000@cableaz.com

I'm definitely = interested...

Adam

From: grw20022 <grw20022@yahoo.com>
=
Date: June 12, 2006 6:25:34 PM = MST
Subject: = Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 Delay / Looper=A0


Hello, if you can not find one..I have = one in mint...I might be getting away afew of my equipment to get the = new moog the Phatty..I use to have a moog and it looks like moog=A0put a = good one out...if anyone heard of this, let use know..... = Gerry

rds8000 <rds8000@cableaz.com> = wrote:

rds8000 <rds8000@cableaz.com> = wrote:
Hello = Loopers,

I'm interested in adding a second Digitech RDS8000 to my = setup. Does
anyone have one they'd like to = sell?

Best,

Adam



= --Apple-Mail-2-137494267-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 00:22:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E437B3BEB8; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAKnxjkSBS4gQLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060613204948.01a89290@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:51:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #492 In-Reply-To: <20060613185507.B46893BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060613185507.B46893BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:22:55 +0000 (UTC) At 19:55 13/06/2006, you wrote: >Well... there's much more to slide than blues! >guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder.. Mohan Bhatt ..and don't forget Bill "Rumanian Guitar" Walker andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 01:17:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C31C83BEB8; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060613204948.01a89290@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060613185507.B46893BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060613204948.01a89290@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-141840037 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #492 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:15:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:17:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-141840037 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 13-Jun-06, at 12:51 PM, a k butler wrote: > At 19:55 13/06/2006, you wrote: >> Well... there's much more to slide than blues! >> guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder.. > Mohan Bhatt > ..and don't forget Bill "Rumanian Guitar" Walker Ah! Mohan Bhatt. Right-oh! There's also Harry Manx here in Canada who has one of Mohan's guitars. I'm an old man and details like actual names tend to dissolve in the rearview mirror. But you know, I've LOOKED (google) for other samples of Bill Walker other than the gourmet guitars.com site - which I liked - and haven't been able to find any. Do you know where to find it? thanks, Andy richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > andy butler --Apple-Mail-1-141840037 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 13-Jun-06, at 12:51 PM, a k butler wrote: At 19:55 13/06/2006, you wrote: Well... there's much more to slide than blues! guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder.. Mohan Bhatt ..and don't forget Bill "Rumanian Guitar" Walker Ah! Mohan Bhatt. Right-oh! There's also Harry Manx here in Canada who has one of Mohan's guitars. I'm an old man and details like actual names tend to dissolve in the rearview mirror. But you know, I've LOOKED (google) for other samples of Bill Walker other than the gourmet guitars.com site - which I liked - and haven't been able to find any. Do you know where to find it? thanks, Andy Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com andy butler --Apple-Mail-1-141840037-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 01:51:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FBEA3BEAC; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,128,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="437371994:sNHT23642770" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-143973442 Message-Id: <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:51:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:51:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-143973442 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Tim, Thanks for sharing this. It's not the sort of thing they mention on =20 the evening news. Best, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > Though as far as I know he wasn't a looper himself, > Gyorgy Ligeti was a huge influence to many on this > list. > > > > Lux aeterna "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1-143973442 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tim, Thanks for sharing this. It's not the sort of thing they mention on the evening news. Best, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: Though as far as I know he wasn't a looper himself, Gyorgy Ligeti was a huge influence to many on this list. < Lux aeterna 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???= --Apple-Mail-1-143973442-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 02:00:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60C003BED0; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #492 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060613204948.01a89290@tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:00:02 +0000 (UTC) That's Vishnu Mohan Bhatt to you pal, and Lil' Will "Rumanian guitar" Walker. Ok? Ok? Also check out the astounding Debashish Bhattacharya another virtuoso in the hindustani tradition. I got to take a master class, and sit in on a recording session of his, he will completely rearrange your head. And though Sonny Landreth is steeped in blues traditon, his playing owes as much to the syncopations of Zydeco music. I have totally lifted the technique of fretting behind the bar from him, and you can apply the technique to any kind of music. Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #492 At 19:55 13/06/2006, you wrote: >Well... there's much more to slide than blues! >guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder.. Mohan Bhatt ..and don't forget Bill "Rumanian Guitar" Walker andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 02:18:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1803BEB9; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #492 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:18:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C68F1E.38645C50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_0vpNC.A.uT.SI3jEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:18:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C68F1E.38645C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's because Bill hasn't gotten of his rear end to put out a real CD, (though he has been known to bring hastily thrown together recordings of his loop improve stuff, to various looping festivals, perhaps even a festival near you someday) Hell, I don't even have a website yet, though I do have a domain name thanks to Bernard Wagner. God how 20th century of me!!!!! Truthfully, the process of recording a solo CD has been a a slow and frustrating one for me. I love to play and improvise, but I hate to record. I'm very savvy with effects and hardware stuff, but I get frustrated easily with the DAW thing, and because I work allot, building momentum has been difficult. That being said, I have finally decided to hire an engineer/ producer to help me get er done. Also, I do have some rough recordings of some looped slide stuff (both lap steel and bottle neck) that I might be persuaded to send you. Thanks for the interest, even more motivation to get ta bidness. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #492 On 13-Jun-06, at 12:51 PM, a k butler wrote: At 19:55 13/06/2006, you wrote: Well... there's much more to slide than blues! guy from India who recorded with Ry Cooder.. Mohan Bhatt ..and don't forget Bill "Rumanian Guitar" Walker Ah! Mohan Bhatt. Right-oh! There's also Harry Manx here in Canada who has one of Mohan's guitars. I'm an old man and details like actual names tend to dissolve in the rearview mirror. But you know, I've LOOKED (google) for other samples of Bill Walker other than the gourmet guitars.com site - which I liked - and haven't been able to find any. Do you know where to find it? thanks, Andy richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com andy butler ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C68F1E.38645C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's=20 because Bill hasn't gotten of his rear end to put out a real CD, (though = he has=20 been known to bring hastily thrown together recordings of his loop = improve=20 stuff, to various looping festivals, perhaps even a festival near you = someday)=20 Hell, I don't even have a website yet, though I do have a domain name = thanks to=20 Bernard Wagner. God how 20th century of me!!!!!  Truthfully, the = process of=20 recording a solo CD has been a a slow and frustrating one for me. I love = to play=20 and improvise, but I hate to record. I'm very savvy with effects and = hardware=20 stuff, but I get frustrated easily with the DAW thing, and because I = work allot,=20 building momentum has been difficult. That being said, I have finally = decided to=20 hire an engineer/ producer to help me get er done. Also, I do have some = rough=20 recordings of some looped slide stuff (both lap steel and bottle = neck) that=20 I might be persuaded to send you.  
Thanks for the interest, even more motivation = to get ta=20 bidness.
 
Bill
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = June 13,=20 2006 6:16 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: = Loopers-Delight-d=20 Digest V06 #492


On 13-Jun-06, at = 12:51 PM, a=20 k butler wrote:

At 19:55 13/06/2006, you wrote:
Well... there's much more to slide than blues!
guy = from=20 India who recorded with Ry Cooder..
Mohan = Bhatt
..and=20 don't forget Bill "Rumanian Guitar" Walker

Ah! = Mohan=20 Bhatt. Right-oh! There's also Harry Manx here in Canada who has one of = Mohan's=20 guitars. I'm an old man and details like actual names tend to dissolve = in the=20 rearview mirror. But you know, I've LOOKED (google) for other samples = of Bill=20 Walker other than the gourmet guitars.com site - which I liked - and = haven't=20 been able to find any. Do you know where to find it?

thanks, = Andy
richard sales
glassWing farm and=20 studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com


andy butler =
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C68F1E.38645C50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 02:54:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60623BEB8; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Anthony Braxton, looping? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:53:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Does circular breathing count as looping? Amazing Anthony Braxton video playing Coltrane's Impressions....the=20 solo grows and grows.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0o0AYFRFX7g Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 03:02:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69C8C3BECF; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAM0Uj0QLhx6BRQ From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:02:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> References: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that's sad to hear. I had no idea what an amaziing history he had. I've had some Ligeti-inspired mp3s posted on my site for quite a while, if anyone wants to hear them: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/choirsounds/choirsounds.html RIP. Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 04:02:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231CB3BEB2; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:01:56 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 14th June 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 14th June 06 ============================= Noize Creator / Something Bad (Thorntree) In Ether / Insult To The Unconditioned (Backwards Records) Sunao Inami / An Impulse of Acoustic (electr-ohm) Rusuden / Formulae (Sonic Terror) punck / nowhere campfire tapes (afe records) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 04:24:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A6A3BEAF; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HcXh4uin/dm0OfKgzpohknQcHCnrEVRRO/nQQhtugY4+mg5RKU5Hh8FB5jnSlZYC; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <25353461.1150259089155.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anthony Braxton, looping? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48eacb4ad8be06a6425f9f7f70c6eee148396bf6a0aafa7dc0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:24:50 +0000 (UTC) WOW-thanx fer that -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Kaiser >Sent: Jun 13, 2006 10:53 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Anthony Braxton, looping? > >Does circular breathing count as looping? > >Amazing Anthony Braxton video playing Coltrane's Impressions....the >solo grows and grows.... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0AYFRFX7g > > > >Jeff Kaiser >http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >pfMENTUM.com ? AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 04:53:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEEF33BEC2; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,129,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="267360957:sNHT17870368" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6ebbd860e61e4eeb3feca81d7c30d354@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Anthony Braxton, looping? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:53:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing Jeff. Mighty fine. On Jun 13, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Does circular breathing count as looping? > > Amazing Anthony Braxton video playing Coltrane's Impressions....the > solo grows and grows.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0AYFRFX7g From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 05:49:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 145913BEC1; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CtvkfyTzPWjqE26ya19jvKScAtbYFyLpNZ5KvFwmHd9nqcpzWYe+BnTLxMBQbhOozVYKxkWzWqwvZ2kgaluq1U9jnraRLi6NwThJcbt3UNO588TqnUrnyoyypYDVIMjqqY3VtgIDyhiXiA7RnX+gIfgc1Db2teeclR44lL7XNmc= ; Message-ID: <20060614054934.83274.qmail@web31906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:49:37 +0000 (UTC) micropolyphony...what a concept aye? RIP --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Tim, > > Thanks for sharing this. It's not the sort of thing > they mention on > the evening news. > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > On Jun 13, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > Though as far as I know he wasn't a looper > himself, > > Gyorgy Ligeti was a huge influence to many on this > > list. > > > > > > > > > Lux aeterna > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? > > step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 06:27:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91A2C3BEC1; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UA80wOLpuogtBOQt/0u61Cus1ee5+egEhjM/LC41MxRJxu1Iy898OkoEfBNaQ9kd/KOsuRUsyRcX3u358Lyz5BMWLlzpX5OdEfqXVgmgpFvxGM95Rjs2ItHaW2OGN0VI2mSIwEaSzg8FX2hT0/u6lCBOltyCvKwFVTEWsa8EPpQ= ; Message-ID: <20060614062712.97225.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:27:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: internet jam partners - post scriptum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c68eeb$e28bf680$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1uqrqC.A.ccH.Dx6jEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:27:15 +0000 (UTC) blushing i believe u, Rick is a very special and kind person an altruist who always looks for the positive in every human being and encouraging in every way,is really a pleasure to have such a human being in this forum and in life i highly recomend him as well! Peace Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > btw, Rick Walker spoke very highly of you in general > and of your voice in > particular so, please do both (percussion and > singing). > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Juni 2006 00:05 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: internet jam partners > > > > Hey Rainer, > > I would be interested either as a > percussionist(conga) or > > doing some singing,ive never use the live > streaming > > technology below but ill look into it. > > Cheers > > Luis > > > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > > > > Who knows, with permission of the artist, I > may > > > make a CD at > > > > the end of the year with excerpts of all the > > > internet > > > > performances. I could call it the "Looper's > > > Delight Ninjam > > > > Performance". > > > > > > ...which is something I intend to do as well, > given more artists > > > accept to play with me (so far, Krispen Hartung, > Rick Walker and > > > Charlie Milkey). > > > > > > Ok, again a call for performers! Who would be > interested to do a > > > virtual internet session? > > > > > > style: (open) > > > instruments: horn players, singers and > drummers/percussionists > > > preferred, but other musicians alos welcome! > > > technology: any of Ninjam, shoutcast or the > www.t-u-b-e.de plugin. > > > > > > As an example for an internat jam, may I again > point you to > > > http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm (more > recordings are on > > > their > > > way!) > > > > > > More on my background as well as links to some > of my other > > stuff via > > > www.moinlabs.de > > > > > > Please contact me offlist, > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection > > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 06:30:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 689103BEC1; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=l99VWkH2tnoW9yfGoP6cY+DeFf6SYNOWtaRrVkyxm0espH1p+aXDpzU2GTAsqAdeuIh1L0YSa8+Gha+1wwxxCs53kzesEkxq/FnvVFcKRoZ/zsVz/bQMBbDJb0hgpzt+cjKROo/SwpnNRc/etz5C9oiLsEkKyC82rUcHfko3UgY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <364ABBEA-B49F-439C-A528-C6A6F4A64B0E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anthony Braxton, looping? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:30:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:30:18 +0000 (UTC) On 14 jun 2006, at 04.53, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Does circular breathing count as looping? > Amazing Anthony Braxton video playing Coltrane's Impressions....the > solo grows and grows.... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0AYFRFX7g Thanks Jeff! Wonderful wake-up noise to accompany my breakfast here. Yesterday I was listening to Coltranes Impressions on the iPod while walking through Stockholm Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 06:36:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D7113BED0; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <364ABBEA-B49F-439C-A528-C6A6F4A64B0E@gmail.com> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> <364ABBEA-B49F-439C-A528-C6A6F4A64B0E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <282df1ea8ebc75e69e4e7246031cfe1d@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Anthony Braxton, looping? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:35:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <3QfgGC.A.X3H.T56jEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:36:03 +0000 (UTC) > Yesterday I was listening to Coltranes Impressions on the iPod while=20= > walking through Stockholm What a beautiful image! Made me jealous..... glad you enjoyed it. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 08:14:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D20853BEC1; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0AAB0BE6-EC4B-450F-BA59-AB85036C6F8A@arcor.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re:Re: Gyorgy Ligeti choir sounds Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:14:16 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <_bG4xD.A.Kn.cV8jEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, the link to your Ligeti-choir sounds doesn't work for me - too bad. Since I am a big fan of his work and these kinds of soundsheets in particular I was really eager to listen to that. I have tried to copy that with guita&loop before with mixed result using slide, ebow, pitch bends etc. It's hard to get that really haunting type of feel though. Any recommendations? Mark, can you maybe email me an mp3 directly? Thanks, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 10:12:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 641FE3BECA; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tlxvfu11uFff7/It3o+E20hfSGHAC6V4va4c5PnA4UxaJZgqz9DonKzPyMuwdbzf3qWrQcAaaRtLgE35TEIM0paAZ6klpOS3qT6g9If/ViBI+b8usEtsinMui2dzg9bud32qdpfKN9Jph+UY6R5Y2AenP/xMKhOkRhcJH9Txzi4= ; Message-ID: <20060614101253.67908.qmail@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060613212401.97504.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Dear Gern, My Againinator escaped into the wild some time ago. It took up with a family of opossums & sired several litters. Unfortunately, the offspring will only loop at night, & even then they will only record Barbra Streisand songs. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 12:04:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9CE53BEC7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Flags: 0001 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:04:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20060614120414.305920@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <0A545D67-FC9D-472D-B51B-BACCE6F8427E@craigmccollough.com> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> <0A545D67-FC9D-472D-B51B-BACCE6F8427E@craigmccollough.com> Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? (MidiPipe & Prefab UI) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6o6XlD.A.0cF.Jt_jEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Hey Craig > If you're on a Mac you can probably use MidiPipe to trigger an > applescript to control the UI and change the tempo - although I > imagine there will probably be quite significant latency. > MidiPipe: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16154 > Prefab IU Browser: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ > 18192 > Prefab UI Actions: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ > 24580 This is really greate!! Kid Beyond seems to be using MidiPipe more recently. This Prefab UI Browser/Actions seems VERY useful (not only for recording/looping btw). If I only use the Prefab UI stuff for i.e. setting meter _between_ songs - is the rest of the setup still effected by latency issues? Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 16:01:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E920A3BEB5; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060614101253.67908.qmail@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5RLf1.A.Px.-KDkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Thats rough, I had to kill mine when it wouldn't stop looping Mandy by Barry Manilow. Bill -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! Dear Gern, My Againinator escaped into the wild some time ago. It took up with a family of opossums & sired several litters. Unfortunately, the offspring will only loop at night, & even then they will only record Barbra Streisand songs. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 16:43:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35B323BEC7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QtdzPBwQLI2t6kT3JykfvV/EKWjxNc0rP9wsbVC01504z7Q0cmgH62fHKDN2VmX/kANRH2prGOtu+8t97alv6DVM6LfBYqODwkn9ZyRTpOs6Lb4NUI9WhYCLGQLk1mTVAmwI/sqzEUDu/Bh1OD5MmDImVoN9/3DDtA6Xt8YrJDs= ; Message-ID: <20060614164319.70767.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:43:24 +0000 (UTC) If the RC-20 has a wet out only you could do this by using a mixer and a multiple in/out audio interface. I don't know the capabilities of the Eurorack, but I ended up with a Soundcraft board because I needed something that had an out for each channel. This allows me to get a room mix using the board, but send hot signal to my MOTU 828. I use both effects sends out to my looper (Repeater set on mute dry mute) but return via a stereo pair main input. Works like a charm for recording because I have both my original and the looped version. Mark --- Adrian West wrote: > Not possible. > > Most recording software lets you set up loops - > wouldn't that be easier? > > Adrian West > www.adrianwest.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Diana Thompson > [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:06 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Boss RC-20 Loop Station - Voice Through? > > > > > > I'm trying to record a demo using the RC-20, a > Behringer Eurorack MX602A > > mixing board, and Cakewalk on PC. I'd like to be > able to send the > > live voice > > to one track and the looped voice to another. > Right now, I can > > set the live > > voice to one track, but the Loopstation passes the > live voice > > along with the > > looped voice to the second. > > > > Is there a method or a hack to bypass the live > voice and send only the > > loops? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Diana > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life > Events for advice on how to > > get there! > http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 16:52:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94D783BED8; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dnjo0IbSg6kJD5y4qPnCd1enWpOrLWGrkFNz5rKD8YuKd8zm6g5vIdjbOnR0R7ZqOIZgzVU7Xhy1W8oED/2JtE96c7fYH+cEQA28W9g48fZj0gOrHjrRcVFaOug2fOJTHsJNyGvdZZJMcZewjMo/VWSBDVtua5WDnxFUvlA6NdU= ; Message-ID: <20060614165209.46112.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071D98@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, there won't be support for the Againinator MkI as I had to make significant design changes to the wetware interface to get the feature set working correctly while minimizing the tendency of the Againinator to turn on it's master. I also want to go on record saying that Againinator Research has never advocated packs of villagers with tourches as a work-around for the above bug. It violates several fire codes in CA and other states. Dr. Charles Ashford --- jeff larson wrote: > > I hope all of us still waiting for the Againinator > Mk I > will be able to upgrade to the Mk II software when > both are available! Is the new code being > optimized for the DNA in the Mk II? > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 16:58:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4C43BED6; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B4gGyatMQuAWbl3uaFCsZE+9kBI/kmWzCrO5aFelOkGw7ssvW1JToQSmE196aG4Fty2ezSr93fCDVd7pqi7hbllB26Zu65UoPx88KXTfMA+ewYv0ipjGw7xCuo7vCmAtzeZGyJV+4qdT9J7l7rCGn1m6PeMoU+rDKuZiFCj44js= ; Message-ID: <20060614165806.62551.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060614101253.67908.qmail@web34808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Early versions of the Againinator did have some issues due to attempts to bypass the urge for sexual intercource. If you can lure the Againinator back to your studio this tendency can be disabled by inputing a Leibach album set to loop over night. --- John Tidwell wrote: > Dear Gern, > > My Againinator escaped into the wild some time ago. > It > took up with a family of opossums & sired several > litters. Unfortunately, the offspring will only loop > at night, & even then they will only record Barbra > Streisand songs. > > John > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 19:43:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89E0F3BEC2; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060613213534.F40263BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more to slide than blues? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:43:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2006 19:43:40.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6761560:01C68FEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:43:44 +0000 (UTC) An curios statement considering that slide was invented by Hawaiians.There was a huge hawaiin music fad in the 20s(.Ever seen the pictures of the college guy w/ a racoon skin coat ,a strw hat and a ukulele? that was as hip as a white guy could get ,for thatgeneration) Anyway Hawaiian music had a huge influence. and not just on Country ,B.B.King has said part of his vocal lead style was influenced by Hawaiian steel guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 19:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FDC3BEB3; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060614165806.62551.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060614165806.62551.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:46:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: online interview Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:48:13 +0000 (UTC) I'm being interviewed in the WELL's Inkwell conference - http://www.well.com/inkwell My looping work is being discussed, and of course I put in a plug for looper's delight! This is not a live chat - it's an online conversation that will be "live" for two weeks and then archived permanently. Stop by and take a look, and if you have a comment or question you can send it to inkwell@well.com -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 20:15:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AC143BEB8; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060608175924.12581.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: TIP 3rd Hand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:14:03 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/14/2006 04:15:50 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone seen this yet? Looks pretty cool- my first though was for control of Loop Volume level on RC-20's, but obviously it has a lot of fun potential. http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Electro Harmonix made one like it in the 1970s called the "Hot Foot"


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Has anyone seen this yet?

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--============_-1061806021==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 20:32:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3540F3BED3; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=lPFz0Y6eSrdLwxfobHuJO8zJHC/nqfPs+jJqiMFThaXxVp/P/fDb2rp3DwrH0YJV; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <28037170.1150317141752.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:32:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: b p t Reply-To: b p t To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TIP 3rd Hand Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0cfb0214424eea999649176a89d694c0f43c108795ac450776791466f67ee1a6d395251b56ce21e4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:32:23 +0000 (UTC) if you are interested in one of these, i have one laying around somewhere that i would let go for cheep. i would also say that the smoothness of the knob you want to turn is important to the function of the 3rd hand. brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 20:38:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ECD03BED5; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jhHXlBc67k7Vmdtl8HZopo0KoaVs9mu0I/7ij4+EKnfRiK5C0LMkrkUujYizkgdyu3ftcsqbugIv4rIXLs5TdW3vIE4sDdw1bQjRWpegsB3va6LGWQ4rtqdrqsiPFae4QYkkhcQrjeuFvpehNAekKXnN562mOUv6+/iB2LpOefU= ; Message-ID: <20060614203546.34654.qmail@web80732.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Javaheri Subject: Re: OT Gear Sale: Pedal Steel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-265758996-1150317346=:33782" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:38:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-265758996-1150317346=:33782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forgive for the on-list pimpage, but as steel guitars have been discussed, though there might be an interested party here, before posting it elsewhere. Carter Starter (http://www.carterstarter.com/ , and reviewed here: http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_carter_steel_guitars ) 10 String Pedal Steel, 3 Pedal, 4 Lever with wrench, learning DVD, papers, etc AND $75 Carter Hard Case. No volume pedal, but does include a tone bar. $650 for the lot in excellent condition. I got it to learn, but health and finances dictate that's have to happen another time. Please let me know if you're interested. This is located in San Jose, Ca Thanks, glenn --0-265758996-1150317346=:33782 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Please forgive for the on-list pimpage, but as steel guitars have been discussed, though there might be an interested party here, before posting it elsewhere.
 
Carter Starter (http://www.carterstarter.com/ , and reviewed here: http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_carter_steel_guitars ) 10 String Pedal Steel, 3 Pedal, 4 Lever with wrench, learning DVD, papers, etc AND $75 Carter Hard Case.
 
No volume pedal, but does include a tone bar.
 
$650 for the lot in excellent condition. I got it to learn, but health and finances dictate that's have to happen another time.
 
Please let me know if you're interested. This is located in San Jose, Ca
 
Thanks,
glenn
 
 
 
--0-265758996-1150317346=:33782-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 21:42:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9F73BECF; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: more to slide than blues? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:42:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:42:55 +0000 (UTC) I think the comment was more about modern public perception rather than historic fact. Kind of like saying pedal steel is for country music, because that is the music it is most closely associated with, even in today's world of "modern" country music. The popularity of Hawaiian music was a global phenomena that spawned among other things the relatively modern tradition of Hindustani slide guitar that began in the 40's, and I believe, but I may be wrong, the development of the pedal steel guitar. Bill -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more to slide than blues? An curios statement considering that slide was invented by Hawaiians.There was a huge hawaiin music fad in the 20s(.Ever seen the pictures of the college guy w/ a racoon skin coat ,a strw hat and a ukulele? that was as hip as a white guy could get ,for thatgeneration) Anyway Hawaiian music had a huge influence. and not just on Country ,B.B.King has said part of his vocal lead style was influenced by Hawaiian steel guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 22:28:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB58E3BEC7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20060614120414.305920@gmx.net> References: <000c01c689a2$73ff8270$0101a8c0@succubus> <20060607083941.246960@gmx.net> <5B9D69FE-E008-455D-B71E-F4052D6D4A42@gmail.com> <4489D8D1.4040408@post.cybercity.dk> <20060612080922.198960@gmx.net> <735C2A61-E5D4-4F6C-B78B-B2BB813E9F4B@gmail.com> <0A545D67-FC9D-472D-B51B-BACCE6F8427E@craigmccollough.com> <20060614120414.305920@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8EBA56F1-C4FB-43A8-B4BF-9F8E36D0879C@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Is it Ableton Live - or is it me? (MidiPipe & Prefab UI) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:28:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Buzap - Shouldn't be too bad - it's just the added complexity of having to =20 invoke the applescript engine *and* the UI interaction engine. Other operations within MidiPipe occur quickly (various operations =20 are more or less processor intensive, of course) I think that using it to trigger applescripts to set song parameters =20 is a perfect application. The easiest example is to simply set up a =20 Live session, save it, and then use midipipe to trigger an =20 applescript to open each saved live session. Cheers! Craig On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hey Craig > >> If you're on a Mac you can probably use MidiPipe to trigger an >> applescript to control the UI and change the tempo - although I >> imagine there will probably be quite significant latency. >> MidiPipe: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16154 >> Prefab IU Browser: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ >> 18192 >> Prefab UI Actions: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ >> 24580 > > This is really greate!! > Kid Beyond seems to be using MidiPipe more recently. This Prefab UI =20= > Browser/Actions seems VERY useful (not only for recording/looping =20 > btw). > > If I only use the Prefab UI stuff for i.e. setting meter _between_ =20 > songs - is the rest of the setup still effected by latency issues? > > Best regards > Buzap > --=20 > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 22:47:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD0523BED5; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <449091F6.1020102@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:47:18 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP References: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8BfiCD.A.JvG.5HJkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:47:21 +0000 (UTC) tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Thanks for sharing this. It's not the sort of thing they mention on the > evening news. Actually in Germany they did... -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 23:04:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F2B33BECF; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R4yoa8OvoSt6fzfGItAFooUiFiJW0PuSSTGfVAZo5mRhKXw7+FQ/GuW4znXw8vDdkb6tVAS8xYykNpB0DuotUaYmT0K0IJ1RhIyxsCTXUTpq4JU+mqubizT/3jBj9oYN7vgG2miFMHTAAs/xPs75UlxQNdS/HHAzOrxxCWALI5M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <449091F6.1020102@addcom.de> References: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> <449091F6.1020102@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:04:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:04:18 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> Thanks for sharing this. It's not the sort of thing they mention =20 >> on the evening news. > > Actually in Germany they did... It was on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D5480242 also http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3D5481615 regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsn--iF6a4Xo= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 23:22:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36893BED3; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:22:35 -0400 From: Clint Goss Subject: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000701c69009$6b7c6e20$6901a8c0@Saturn> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcaQCWtiUkpoTAkYTQiJZuLkx3cgeA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I know this has been discussed before, but I can't put my finger on it ... I've got a typical stereo Plex setup (midi and brotherSync connections between the two units) and use a programmable foot pedal (FCB1010) to control both. How can I address just one of the two from the FCB1010 for that odd situation where I want them to act independently. Thanks! - Clint Goss Email: clint@goss.com Web: www.goss.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 23:33:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8954D3BED0; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-222077587 Message-Id: <378624facecaaebdcd9d93a8fa9be5d3@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: more to slide than blues? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:32:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-222077587 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To be even more precise (thank you Bill), "more to slide than blues" was a response to our friend who bonked his finger. He had said something in reference to blues and slide. I said, "There's more to slide than blues." So, Hawaiian (and all the other music) is a part of that 'more to'. I didn't mean to dis Hawaiian music. Just wanted to clarify. So, in the spirit of curiosity & scholarship, I thought I'd check www.wikipedia.org to see what they had to say about slide guitar: The technique of using a slide on a string has been traced by noted blues scholar and musician Dr. David Evans to a one-string toy-instrument: the "diddley bow," which resembles one-stringed African instruments. The tuning and bend filled playing style resembles the blues-harp. (van der Merwe 1989, pp. 66-67) The technique was made popular by African American blues artists. Some of the blues artists who most prominently used the slide include gospel singer Blind Willie Johnson, Son House, and Robert Johnson. The sound has since become commonplace in country and Hawaiian music. It is also used occasionally in classic rock, mainly by bands such as Lynyrd Skynyrd and Led Zeppelin that have been heavily influenced by the blues. I'll be dog gone! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-06, at 12:43 PM, samba - wrote: > An curios statement considering that slide was invented by > Hawaiians.There was a huge hawaiin music fad in the 20s(.Ever seen the > pictures of the college guy w/ a racoon skin coat ,a strw hat and a > ukulele? that was as hip as a white guy could get ,for thatgeneration) > Anyway Hawaiian music had a huge influence. and not just on Country > ,B.B.King has said part of his vocal lead style was influenced by > Hawaiian steel guitar. > --Apple-Mail-1-222077587 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII To be even more precise (thank you Bill), "more to slide than blues" was a response to our friend who bonked his finger. He had said something in reference to blues and slide. I said, "There's more to slide than blues." So, Hawaiian (and all the other music) is a part of that 'more to'. I didn't mean to dis Hawaiian music. Just wanted to clarify. So, in the spirit of curiosity & scholarship, I thought I'd check www.wikipedia.org to see what they had to say about slide guitar: The technique of using a slide on a string has been traced by noted blues scholar and musician Dr. David Evans to a one-string toy-instrument: the "0000,2B2A,B8B7diddley bow," which resembles one-stringed African instruments. The tuning and 0000,2B2A,B8B7bend filled playing style resembles the 0000,2B2A,B8B7blues-harp. (0000,2B2A,B8B7van der Merwe 1989, pp. 66-67) The technique was made popular by African American 0000,2B2A,B8B7blues artists. Some of the blues artists who most prominently used the slide include gospel singer 0000,2B2A,B8B7Blind Willie Johnson, 0000,2B2A,B8B7Son House, and 0000,2B2A,B8B7Robert Johnson. The sound has since become commonplace in 0000,2B2A,B8B7country and 0000,2B2A,B8B7Hawaiian music. It is also used occasionally in 0000,2B2A,B8B7classic rock, mainly by bands such as 0000,2B2A,B8B7Lynyrd Skynyrd and 0000,2B2A,B8B7Led Zeppelin that have been heavily influenced by the blues. I'll be dog gone! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 14-Jun-06, at 12:43 PM, samba - wrote: An curios statement considering that slide was invented by Hawaiians.There was a huge hawaiin music fad in the 20s(.Ever seen the pictures of the college guy w/ a racoon skin coat ,a strw hat and a ukulele? that was as hip as a white guy could get ,for thatgeneration) Anyway Hawaiian music had a huge influence. and not just on Country ,B.B.King has said part of his vocal lead style was influenced by Hawaiian steel guitar. --Apple-Mail-1-222077587-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 14 23:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57EF13BED2; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2yLDLwQdfCBAdphES59b1UTw4qRxdLwEWrXjnUdz4MJOUlWj4INNgN1shur4EAQvWdz9hRekdmSzbz2vyl7Me17qq3TSYF2tcCT4BVOHs25Vzveqirm381zeANmwf82frvrK39fIUvT2iEqSw/8PG6Rld6M80sxulou/MQDX9X8= ; Message-ID: <20060614234037.37692.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c69009$6b7c6e20$6901a8c0@Saturn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Hello Echoplex! That's how. sorry, I'm sleep deprived and I couldn't help it. --- Clint Goss wrote: > Hi - > > I know this has been discussed before, but I can't > put my finger on it ... > > I've got a typical stereo Plex setup (midi and > brotherSync connections between > the two units) and use a programmable foot pedal > (FCB1010) to control both. How > can I address just one of the two from the FCB1010 > for that odd situation where > I want them to act independently. > > Thanks! > > - Clint Goss > > Email: clint@goss.com > Web: www.goss.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 00:20:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F2B3BEB9; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kxU+atMERNM6qjznlG7RWUZ/zc2I9PZ2AvEFqUdO/5XiO27CkwZrgaQAE0sdNyiNEojHPjcIOzg0mV77VfWQeskSGw5OgmpD/dGbtKy0+xEesQdR6om8ozSV9x3E6nEfNViFjZV4gF/lhf5izlocz6HQgjr1OZj+/JwFWva9pno= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> <4ebd150f0b264a32bcabfb8142c75c40@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41E3B4BF-2FC4-4969-A611-51E2D3486041@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Anthony Braxton, looping? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:20:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:20:07 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 13, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Amazing Anthony Braxton video playing Coltrane's Impressions....the > solo grows and grows.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0AYFRFX7g Indeed, thanks for that link. One of the best, most inspiring concerts I have ever experienced was Braxton performing solo on soprano sax. It was at an art center, maybe 300 people there. He arrived 45 minutes late -- having gotten off the plane at the wrong airport in the wrong state -- stepped on stage and blew down the house. For those interested, videos at YouTube can be downloaded and saved as .flv files using this: http://keepvid.com/ regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 02:58:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE333BEB9; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HRP6EWOznHd2AA/78fUIAnClMl4iCrvTosZ1T8LYG43gTkIp954OMNt74vusAGU9yuGwwisc+FjloXp0tMft4FGf2FnPIaecV5elu8eoHy0dkFwLBpuVN5BK7QpdVOpDKD1DSvgFOev3EjfrgBH4z6oD88A7VUcmhZ9NwimVar8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0606141958l6c9a169an2c6b3db271c9ada0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:58:34 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> <449091F6.1020102@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Umm, I'm not sure the NPR story gives Ligeti his due: he's one of the defining figures in modern music. I'd include him with Stravinsky, Debussy, Bartok, Messiaen, Boulez, Lutoslawski, Kagel, Stockhausen, Glass and Reich. A true genius, and his works, especially Doppelkonzert, San Francisco Polyphony and Hungarian Rock, changed my life. RIP, he will be missed. On 6/14/06, RP Collier wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > tEd (r) kiLLiAn wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing this. It's not the sort of thing they mention > >> on the evening news. > > > > Actually in Germany they did... > > > It was on NPR: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5480242 > > also > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5481615 > > regards > > BobC > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 04:01:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B81EC3BEB6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:01:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: TIP 3rd Hand Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2006 04:05:41.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[F79F9AE0:01C69030] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:01:41 +0000 (UTC) At 4:14 PM -0400 6/14/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: >Has anyone seen this yet? > >Looks pretty cool- my first though was for control of Loop Volume level on >RC-20's, but obviously it has a lot of fun potential. > >http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php Got one; works well with no troubles. A tiny bit pricey all considered, but it does exactly what it says on the package. ;) I use it primarily to do realtime tweaks of the "Color" knob on my Boss WP-20g Wave Processor, but it also works well for manipulating the Feedback on my DD-20 Giga Delay. --m. -- _______ "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 04:04:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3371D3BED3; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060612090624.2CFC93744D@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> References: <20060612090624.2CFC93744D@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com> X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:04:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Line 6 Tone Core Verbzilla Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2006 04:08:34.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F158180:01C69031] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:04:30 +0000 (UTC) At 5:06 AM -0400 6/12/06, Monica Lokisdottir wrote: >Reptilian Guitar Diva here with yet another >unasked for low-tech gear review... >Line 6 ToneCore Verbzilla. Thanks for the write-up, Monica. After listening to the demos over on the Line 6 site, I've currently been considering the Verbzilla for some of the ambient/spacey/atmospheric effects. Luckily, I really don't have an interest in using it for realistic 'verbs, so it sounds as if it may be right up my alley. :) --m. -- _______ "The future: everyone is housed, clothed, and fed, because everyone is in jail." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 08:39:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9A873BEB8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <521B0403-DD53-482F-A90C-713846D2C4F1@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: new Steve Lawson album now in stock... Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:39:15 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Looplings, my new album arrived from Sony yesterday, looking and smelling all lovely and sparkly and new. The offer via my site to get a free download-only album of over an hour of exclusive extra stuff is still open til June 20th, which is the official release date. Head over to www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ for more on that. The whole album is a live-in-the-studio affair, using the Looperlative for all the looping - what a joy to have stereo loopage, multiple sync'd or unsync'd tracks, hi-fi loveliness. It's all solo except two tracks with a special guest on each - BJ Cole plays pedal steel on one (his part was an overdub), and one tune is a live looped bass 'n' voice track with Julie McKee, the singer I'm doing the Edinburgh festival with this year... now that's a fun gig - looping and layering both of us on songs by The Cure, Slipknot, Green Day, John Martyn, Stevie Wonder... it's fab! Those of you that have already ordered, it's on the way... if you want to hear three tracks from it, check out my MySpace page - www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson cheers! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 08:47:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9132F3BECF; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c69058$5bf236c0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <000701c69009$6b7c6e20$6901a8c0@Saturn> Subject: Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:47:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:47:39 +0000 (UTC) this hasnt been discussed before so you did search :=) It is possible but probably not with the fcb and not for the midi beginner 0- you need a midi controler that can send sys ex 1- you need to set the edp's on a different sys ex device ID nb p 10-6 edp+ manual 2- by sending the apropriate sys ex message you can change the mid chan recieve in one of the pair to make them respond to different channels example: if you have edp A dev id 1 edp B dev id 2 both on midi chan 1 from the sys ex manual: global data :F0 00 01 30 0B dev vers 11 from length pset val_1 .. val_n F7 dev: device id. we want to talk to edp B so 2 version :01 11 . means global params data. from: The global parameters index nb. Midi chan is index 2 so we enter 2 lenght: we send only one param value starting from the index nb so we enter 1 pset :for future use: 7F val: we want to set edp B to mid chan 2 so we enter 1 (chan 1 is entered 0) F7 end of exclusive the complete message in hexadecimal F0 00 01 30 0B 02 01 11 01 01 7f 01 F7 3- once you have sent this message edp A is on ch 1 and B on ch 2 4- set your commands on your midi controler to access the edp you want by channel (create a second set of commands adressing midi chan 2) 5- to come back to stereo operation :F0 00 01 30 0B 02 01 11 01 01 7f 00 F7 hope this can help Claude ---- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Goss" To: Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:22 AM Subject: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup > Hi - > > I know this has been discussed before, but I can't put my finger on it ... > > I've got a typical stereo Plex setup (midi and brotherSync connections > between > the two units) and use a programmable foot pedal (FCB1010) to control > both. How > can I address just one of the two from the FCB1010 for that odd situation > where > I want them to act independently. > > Thanks! > > - Clint Goss > > Email: clint@goss.com > Web: www.goss.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 09:21:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A6913BEB9; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:27:05 +0200 Subject: re: slide, blues From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060614230418.D33F43BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3233215625_1899509" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-KQ3RD.A.7cB.raSkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:21:47 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. 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 --B_3233215625_1899509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 10:04:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBCD13BED0; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b101c69063$013d3b70$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> <449091F6.1020102@addcom.de> <588ce11d0606141958l6c9a169an2c6b3db271c9ada0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:03:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I concur. I saw the notice in the Telegraph here on the 13th - the day I went to see Fripp at St. Pauls - and wondered if he was thinking about Ligeti that day. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/13/db1302.xml ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Simon" To: Sent: Thursday, 15 June, 2006 03:58 AM Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti, RIP > Umm, I'm not sure the NPR story gives Ligeti his due: he's one of the > defining figures in modern music. I'd include him with Stravinsky, > Debussy, Bartok, Messiaen, Boulez, Lutoslawski, Kagel, Stockhausen, > Glass and Reich. A true genius, and his works, especially > Doppelkonzert, San Francisco Polyphony and Hungarian Rock, changed my > life. RIP, he will be missed. > > On 6/14/06, RP Collier wrote: >> >> On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> >> > tEd (r) kiLLiAn wrote: >> >> Thanks for sharing this. It's not the sort of thing they mention >> >> on the evening news. >> > >> > Actually in Germany they did... >> >> >> It was on NPR: >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5480242 >> >> also >> >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5481615 >> >> regards >> >> BobC >> >> >> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier >> http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 >> http://tinyurl.com/cr25j >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 11:23:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D63E63BED2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c6906d$fef37180$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060613223041.57633.qmail@web30006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9f7a2868daaa75861872cd6c6fe8c60c@charter.net> <449091F6.1020102@addcom.de> <588ce11d0606141958l6c9a169an2c6b3db271c9ada0@mail.gmail.com> <00b101c69063$013d3b70$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Some Serious Fun via EFF Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:22:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Highly recommended, and if you abhor Flash you can download and play it yourself. http://www.eff.org/corrupt/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 11:41:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 823023BEDA; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c69070$9b20e900$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C071D98@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:41:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:41:13 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff larson" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: RE: Againinator MkII ship date gets pushed back! I hope all of us still waiting for the Againinator Mk I will be able to upgrade to the Mk II software when both are available! Is the new code being optimized for the DNA in the Mk II? Jeff I just read that they wont support neither lunix neither pussy OS what are they thinking by leaving the whole music assisted computer world ??? they definitly lost me as a customer by doing that for sale studio used only MKI contact me off list please CL02 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 13:13:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFDB73BED8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1150377155!41677741!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC931B@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti choir sounds Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6907D.5D4A4CE0" Resent-Message-ID: <1KyvCB.A.cn.2zVkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:13:26 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6907D.5D4A4CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>the link to your Ligeti-choir sounds doesn't work for me - too bad. Since I am a big fan of his work and these kinds of soundsheets in particular I was really eager to listen to that. I have tried to copy that with guita&loop before with mixed result using slide, ebow, pitch bends etc. It's hard to get that really haunting type of feel though. Any recommendations?<< I have an alesis s4+ synth module which came with an "instant ligeti" patch called, surprise surprise, "monolith". it comprises of layered choir sounds towards the dark end of the vocalists' registers, & the layers have been set up to pitch-bend away from each other very slowly & gracefully. it thus evokes terror, being quite literally the sound of humans going off in different directions whilst vocalising their tension/apprehension. of course, we've used this noise very sparingly indeed, as it is instantly recognisable as having been inspired by that space movie with the big black thing in it. as I recall, the composer david bedford was fond of this kind of thing too. I should think (& I really ought to try this out) that a version of this patch with mellotron choir as the basis would be truly scary. I did something similar with the mellotron strings (the one that's multiple violins but hardly any cello) & a sampler, to evoke a storm-tossed sailing ship encountering edgar allan poe's "maelstrom" for our album of the same name. you know that feeling you get after too many drinks/spliffs/whatevers, when the room starts to spin? the seasick mellotron can bring this feeling on by itself. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>the link to your Ligeti-choir sounds doesn't work= for me - too bad.  Since I am a big fan of his work and these kinds o= f soundsheets in particular I was really eager to listen to that. I have tr= ied to copy that with guita&loop before with mixed result using slide, = ebow, pitch bends etc. It's hard to get that really haunting type of feel t= hough. Any recommendations?<<

I have an alesis s4+ synth module which came with an &quo= t;instant ligeti" patch called, surprise surprise, "monolith"= ;. it comprises of layered choir sounds towards the dark end of the vocalis= ts' registers, & the layers have been set up to pitch-bend away from ea= ch other very slowly & gracefully. it thus evokes terror, being quite l= iterally the sound of humans going off in different directions whilst vocal= ising their tension/apprehension.

of course, we've used this noise very sparingly indeed, a= s it is instantly recognisable as having been inspired by that space movie = with the big black thing in it. as I recall, the composer david bedford was= fond of this kind of thing too.

I should think (& I really ought to try this out) tha= t a version of this patch with mellotron choir as the basis would be truly = scary.

I did something similar with the mellotron strings (the o= ne that's multiple violins but hardly any cello) & a sampler, to evoke = a storm-tossed sailing ship encountering edgar allan poe's "maelstrom&= quot; for our album of the same name. you know that feeling you get after t= oo many drinks/spliffs/whatevers, when the room starts to spin? the seasick= mellotron can bring this feeling on by itself.

d.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6907D.5D4A4CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 13:26:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E2673BEB8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAO/5kEQLhyCBRQ From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:26:55 -0500 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Gyorgy Ligeti choir sounds X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <0AAB0BE6-EC4B-450F-BA59-AB85036C6F8A@arcor.de> References: <0AAB0BE6-EC4B-450F-BA59-AB85036C6F8A@arcor.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:26:56 +0000 (UTC) > Hi Mark, > > the link to your Ligeti-choir sounds doesn't work for me - too > bad. > Since I am a big fan of his work and these kinds of soundsheets > in > particular I was really eager to listen to that. Hi Andreas. I'm suprised that link doesn't work. Try this: http://tinyurl.com/ks7nj >I have tried to > copy > that with guita&loop before with mixed result using slide, > ebow, > pitch bends etc. It's hard to get that really haunting type of > feel > though. Any recommendations? Mark, can you maybe email me an > mp3 > directly? > > Thanks, Andreas I used a Roland JD-800 keyboard with some choir sounds I'd created. The JD-800 has this slider called "Pitch Random", where the note that comes out will vary randomly around the note you played by an amount adjusted by the slider. If you hold the sustain pedal down and hit a lot of notes with "Pitch Random" all the way off, then you get a lot of copies of the same note. But as you turn up the slider, the new notes start drifting further away from the one you played. It sounds pretty cool. There are several mp3s on the page of just the straight choir sounds, but only one real Ligeti-like mp3. I will attach it to an off-list email in case you still can't view the page. Hope this helps. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 13:42:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E13843BED9; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <999237a15ca6e7a682e6fb910ecdd2fb@gis.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-54-273041391 From: Paul Sullivan Subject: NYC (Park Slope) gig spam: Lambic at Barbes TONIGHT, Thursday at 7 pm--early show Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:42:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b2c47d8040f4314f85d41008d9223a7b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.143.67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:42:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-54-273041391 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi, everyone, I'm sure some of you are looking forward to seeing Maceo Parker open up the Celebrate Brooklyn summer concert series at Prospect Park this Thursday, June 15th. We are very excited to be opening up for him, albiet at a satellite location just a couple of blocks away at 9th street and 6th avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn at Barbes, a great neighborhood bar that also has one of the best music scenes in New York. This show is an early one, 7 pm to 8 pm so all of you who couldn't make our later shows, this one is for you. So here's the plan: arrive this Thursday by 7 pm to Barbes (376 9th Street, corner of 6th avenue, in Park Slope) to catch our set, then continue straight up 9th street 3 more blocks to the Prospect Park bandshell (and we'll be right there behind you). With all the opening festivities and hoopla (Marty Markowitz,--need I say more?), Maceo won't take the stage until close to 9 pm, and our set finishes promptly before 8 pm. Avoid the boring speeches and catch LAMBIC instead!! We're still kind of new at Barbes and we'd like to get a good turnout like last time, so PLEASE come, and bring friends! From our myspace page http://myspace.com/lambic - Lambic is a style of Belgian ale that is spontaneously fermented from wild yeasts. Lambic is also a band featuring Sullivan on guitars and effects, and Stephen Moses on drums, trombone, and effects. Lambic is spontaneously fermented music, free improvisation with a groove. For our loop-minded friends, looping tools include boomerangs, dl-4's, and PDS-8000 --Apple-Mail-54-273041391 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi, everyone, I'm sure some of you are looking forward to seeing Maceo Parker open up the Celebrate Brooklyn summer concert series at Prospect Park this Thursday, June 15th. We are very excited to be opening up for him, albiet at a satellite location just a couple of blocks away at 9th street and 6th avenue in Park Slope, Brooklyn at Barbes, a great neighborhood bar that also has one of the best music scenes in New York. This show is an early one, 7 pm to 8 pm so all of you who couldn't make our later shows, this one is for you. So here's the plan: arrive this Thursday by 7 pm to Barbes (376 9th Street, corner of 6th avenue, in Park Slope) to catch our set, then continue straight up 9th street 3 more blocks to the Prospect Park bandshell (and we'll be right there behind you). With all the opening festivities and hoopla (Marty Markowitz,--need I say more?), Maceo won't take the stage until close to 9 pm, and our set finishes promptly before 8 pm. Avoid the boring speeches and catch LAMBIC instead!! We're still kind of new at Barbes and we'd like to get a good turnout like last time, so PLEASE come, and bring friends! From our myspace page http://myspace.com/lambicVerdana - Lambic is a style of Belgian ale that is spontaneously fermented from wild yeasts. Lambic is also a band featuring Sullivan on guitars and effects, and Stephen Moses on drums, trombone, and effects. Lambic is spontaneously fermented music, free improvisation with a groove. For our loop-minded friends, looping tools include boomerangs, dl-4's, and PDS-8000 --Apple-Mail-54-273041391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 16:37:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E30A3BECF; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: slide, blues Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6905F.547B7DF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:37:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6905F.547B7DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit re: slide, bluesI believe it was Sol Hoopii, who was the hawaiin who introduced lap steel playing to the indian music tradition, as a result of being stranded in India while on tour by the Japanese blockade during WW11, though I may be getting my Hawaiin slide masters mixed up. Bill -----Original Message----- From: jayrope [mailto:jrploopers@kliklak.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: slide, blues sol hoopii http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Hoopii On 15.06.2006 01:04, "samba> wrote: Subject: more to slide than blues? An curios statement considering that slide was invented by Hawaiians.There was a huge hawaiin music fad in the 20s(.Ever seen the pictures of the college guy w/ a racoon skin coat ,a strw hat and a ukulele? that was as hip as a white guy could get ,for thatgeneration) Anyway Hawaiian music had a huge influence. and not just on Country ,B.B.King has said part of his vocal lead style was influenced by Hawaiian steel guitar. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6905F.547B7DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable re: slide, blues
I=20 believe it was Sol Hoopii, who was  the hawaiin who introduced lap = steel=20 playing to the indian music tradition, as a result of being stranded in = India=20 while on tour by the Japanese blockade during WW11, though I may be = getting my=20 Hawaiin slide masters mixed up.
Bill
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sol=20 hoopii

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On 15.06.2006 01:04, "samba> = wrote:
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An curios statement considering that slide was = invented by=20 Hawaiians.There
was a huge hawaiin music fad in the 20s(.Ever = seen the=20 pictures of the
college guy w/ a racoon skin coat ,a strw hat and = a=20 ukulele? that was as hip
as a white guy could get ,for = thatgeneration)=20 Anyway Hawaiian music had a
huge influence. and not just on = Country=20  ,B.B.King has said part of his
vocal lead style was = influenced by=20 Hawaiian steel guitar.

 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6905F.547B7DF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 17:02:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C66D63BEB9; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A09E4AB-4653-45D2-99F9-AC83D038AE94@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: Repeater fixit person? Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Server-Quench: c4229201-fc90-11da-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZ1U0Glt1 UkhJREJTHA9oAxYF A1AcVgdwdRtFf2Bx ZkZ9XHVZWVt6Ox14 NDZWTBtBZWZiamUe HkhedE0HdAFIdx1F a00pB3oNfGQGMit9 FVBsZ3VpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsEe0sTEzcg SgpKEzQ/HFFNXygp NBsgfTY2 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.55/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:02:53 +0000 (UTC) I just got home at last from my musical travels (I've been away since April 22nd!) and one of the Repeaters got damaged on this last flight. The tempo knob is pretty bent and the headphone volume knob got snapped off, metal and all. Haven't turned everything on yet....fingers crossed!! Separate issue, but one of the outputs is crackly and cleaning didn't help.... I seem to remember a mention of someone who can fix a Repeater. Anyone know?? Thanks! Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 17:09:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7A693BED2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:09:35 -0600 Message-Id: <200606151709.k5FH9Zt19724@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Repeater fixit person? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9vtIKC.A.0cG.ERZkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Peter Toms Condor Electronics Inc 125 North 36th Street Seattle WA USA 98103 206 633 5190 206 633 0803 fax He can also do some mods to reduce the noise floor and other good stuff. Hope your Repeater is okay. Kevin > I just got home at last from my musical travels (I've been away since > April 22nd!) and one of the Repeaters got damaged on this last flight. > The tempo knob is pretty bent and the headphone volume knob got > snapped off, metal and all. > Haven't turned everything on yet....fingers crossed!! > > Separate issue, but one of the outputs is crackly and cleaning didn't > help.... > > I seem to remember a mention of someone who can fix a Repeater. > > Anyone know?? > > Thanks! Zoe > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 17:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93D973BEDA; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:09:44 -0600 Message-Id: <200606151709.k5FH9i519801@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Repeater fixit person? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Peter Toms Condor Electronics Inc 125 North 36th Street Seattle WA USA 98103 206 633 5190 206 633 0803 fax He can also do some mods to reduce the noise floor and other good stuff. Hope your Repeater is okay. Kevin > I just got home at last from my musical travels (I've been away since > April 22nd!) and one of the Repeaters got damaged on this last flight. > The tempo knob is pretty bent and the headphone volume knob got > snapped off, metal and all. > Haven't turned everything on yet....fingers crossed!! > > Separate issue, but one of the outputs is crackly and cleaning didn't > help.... > > I seem to remember a mention of someone who can fix a Repeater. > > Anyone know?? > > Thanks! Zoe > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 17:09:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CDB13BEE8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:10:03 -0600 Message-Id: <200606151710.k5FHA3B20299@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Repeater fixit person? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Peter Toms Condor Electronics Inc 125 North 36th Street Seattle WA USA 98103 206 633 5190 206 633 0803 fax He can also do some mods to reduce the noise floor and other good stuff. Hope your Repeater is okay. Kevin > I just got home at last from my musical travels (I've been away since > April 22nd!) and one of the Repeaters got damaged on this last flight. > The tempo knob is pretty bent and the headphone volume knob got > snapped off, metal and all. > Haven't turned everything on yet....fingers crossed!! > > Separate issue, but one of the outputs is crackly and cleaning didn't > help.... > > I seem to remember a mention of someone who can fix a Repeater. > > Anyone know?? > > Thanks! Zoe > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 20:42:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D3E13BEC1; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060615131327.474323BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Slide Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:42:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2006 20:42:48.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[431C0900:01C690BC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:42:50 +0000 (UTC) At one tme I did graduate work in ethnomusicaolgy ,and my area of focus was the African roots of American music. The Diddey Bow,is not a slide it's single string streched taught on a stick( or sometimes attached to the side of a building) and played percussively.It's called berimbau in brazil and there are many variations all over Africa,commonly adding a gourd resonator,which can be closed and opened by pressing against ,and moving from the body,causing a dynamic and pitch variation further which adds rythmic epressiveness.Hugh Tracy's book on southern African instruments details one version which is ony played by Women ,who move the gourd on and off a breast.The only instrument I ever heard of that could physically only be played by one gender. There are also versions where the string is connected to a very large stick which is rooted into the ground and a hole in the ground resonates the vibration. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 20:58:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D5E3BED2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:57:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: Re: Slide Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:58:12 +0000 (UTC) You said berimbau . That's my main instrument . I do live looping with a lot of berimbaus playing together at different pitches . regards Ramiro > At one tme I did graduate work in ethnomusicaolgy ,and my area of >focus was the African roots of American music. The Diddey Bow,is not >a slide it's single string streched taught on a stick( or >sometimes attached to the side of a building) and played >percussively.It's called berimbau in brazil and there are many >variations all over Africa,commonly adding a gourd resonator,which >can be closed and opened by pressing against ,and moving from the >body,causing a dynamic and pitch variation further which adds >rythmic epressiveness.Hugh Tracy's book on southern African >instruments details one version which is ony played by Women ,who >move the gourd on and off a breast.The only instrument I ever heard >of that could physically only be played by one gender. There are >also versions where the string is connected to a very large stick >which is rooted into the ground and a hole in the ground resonates >the vibration. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 23:22:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BCA43BED6; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sIn+uiH+uVeiYr84efEx2s8Oc7IqBjE1SaZR1z/ldyAQh1Xhl+//MOFbEJwRsy8VjUy6MDkhDYclBNCjX+YZ2x/Ur+9vZYrJeJPeTY2ZnOT/VztbJBNqMjFlcZlPndELaAcfIdI0uC9F0qXYrCfAGd7mf2gavu1QdA8wjYd3Myo= ; Message-ID: <20060615232232.9685.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: TIP 3rd Hand To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Cute, but for much cheaper you can get these nice thick rubber washers that go right over your knobs and the bonus is that the twisty action you have to do to turn the knob does wonders for your stage presence. Mark --- mech wrote: > At 4:14 PM -0400 6/14/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com > wrote: > >Has anyone seen this yet? > > > >Looks pretty cool- my first though was for control > of Loop Volume level on > >RC-20's, but obviously it has a lot of fun > potential. > > > >http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > Got one; works well with no troubles. A tiny bit > pricey all > considered, but it does exactly what it says on the > package. ;) > > I use it primarily to do realtime tweaks of the > "Color" knob on my > Boss WP-20g Wave Processor, but it also works well > for manipulating > the Feedback on my DD-20 Giga Delay. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we > should have been happy." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 15 23:51:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 328AA3BED2; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CV106ER/QsY//g1VRMj/XwhbdUUOu8q3wOdnDPMzFe7CHqiSa3l///Iuvut+EzUueY7krkaPyb7zfyZriLo2yk0T6rtSD3Q6fEHKS+6gipPbpd0N5pHNvkfQ0KZb5pD9fNYUihl3HLvRF3cZI+W8U/mOa3OARjgdRA8hc99MJJU= Message-ID: <46fea78d0606151651p76ae1794g81dfdc9df31c1d5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:51:45 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slide In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123990_10307540.1150415505802" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:51:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_123990_10307540.1150415505802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ramiro, That sounds awesome. Do you have mp3's to listen to? :) David On 6/15/06, Ramiro Musotto wrote: > > You said berimbau . > That's my main instrument . > I do live looping with a lot of berimbaus playing together at > different pitches . > regards > Ramiro > > > At one tme I did graduate work in ethnomusicaolgy ,and my area of > >focus was the African roots of American music. The Diddey Bow,is not > >a slide it's single string streched taught on a stick( or > >sometimes attached to the side of a building) and played > >percussively.It's called berimbau in brazil and there are many > >variations all over Africa,commonly adding a gourd resonator,which > >can be closed and opened by pressing against ,and moving from the > >body,causing a dynamic and pitch variation further which adds > >rythmic epressiveness.Hugh Tracy's book on southern African > >instruments details one version which is ony played by Women ,who > >move the gourd on and off a breast.The only instrument I ever heard > >of that could physically only be played by one gender. There are > >also versions where the string is connected to a very large stick > >which is rooted into the ground and a hole in the ground resonates > >the vibration. > > ------=_Part_123990_10307540.1150415505802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Ramiro,
That sounds awesome. Do you have mp3's to listen to? :)
 
David

 
On 6/15/06, Ramiro Musotto <ramirose@ism.com.br> wrote:
You said berimbau .
That's my main instrument .
I do live looping with a lot of berimbaus playing together at
different pitches .
regards
Ramiro

>   At one tme I did graduate work in ethnomusicaolgy ,and my area of
>focus was the African roots of American music. The Diddey Bow,is not
>a slide  it's  single string  streched taught on a stick( or
>sometimes attached to the side of a building) and played
>percussively.It's called berimbau in brazil and there are many
>variations all over Africa,commonly adding a gourd resonator,which
>can be closed and opened by pressing against ,and moving from the
>body,causing a dynamic and pitch variation  further which adds
>rythmic epressiveness.Hugh Tracy's book on southern African
>instruments details one version which is ony played by Women ,who
>move the gourd on and off a breast.The only instrument I ever heard
>of that could physically only be played by one gender.  There are
>also versions where the string is connected to a very large stick
>which is rooted into the ground and a hole in the ground resonates
>the vibration.


------=_Part_123990_10307540.1150415505802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 00:18:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B431D3BED3; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: TIP 3rd Hand Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:18:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060615232232.9685.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8z0ITB.A.gWB.XjfkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Cool, I've been eyeing those for a while, Had an electro harmonix one decades ago, but that was before velcro and the thing would start to move a smaller boss style pedal around. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TIP 3rd Hand Cute, but for much cheaper you can get these nice thick rubber washers that go right over your knobs and the bonus is that the twisty action you have to do to turn the knob does wonders for your stage presence. Mark --- mech wrote: > At 4:14 PM -0400 6/14/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com > wrote: > >Has anyone seen this yet? > > > >Looks pretty cool- my first though was for control > of Loop Volume level on > >RC-20's, but obviously it has a lot of fun > potential. > > > >http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > Got one; works well with no troubles. A tiny bit > pricey all > considered, but it does exactly what it says on the > package. ;) > > I use it primarily to do realtime tweaks of the > "Color" knob on my > Boss WP-20g Wave Processor, but it also works well > for manipulating > the Feedback on my DD-20 Giga Delay. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we > should have been happy." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 00:34:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CFF23BEC1; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0606151651p76ae1794g81dfdc9df31c1d5e@mail.gmail.com> References: <46fea78d0606151651p76ae1794g81dfdc9df31c1d5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:33:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ramiro Musotto Subject: Re: Slide Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1061704459==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:34:23 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1061704459==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Ramiro, >That sounds awesome. Do you have mp3's to listen to? :) > >David > > >On 6/15/06, Ramiro Musotto ><ramirose@ism.com.br> wrote: > >You said berimbau . >That's my main instrument . >I do live looping with a lot of berimbaus playing together at >different pitches . >regards >Ramiro > >> At one tme I did graduate work in ethnomusicaolgy ,and my area of >>focus was the African roots of American music. The Diddey Bow,is not >>a slide it's single string streched taught on a stick( or >>sometimes attached to the side of a building) and played >>percussively.It's called berimbau in brazil and there are many >>variations all over Africa,commonly adding a gourd resonator,which >>can be closed and opened by pressing against ,and moving from the >>body,causing a dynamic and pitch variation further which adds >>rythmic epressiveness.Hugh Tracy's book on southern African >>instruments details one version which is ony played by Women ,who >>move the gourd on and off a breast.The only instrument I ever heard >>of that could physically only be played by one gender. There are >>also versions where the string is connected to a very large stick >>which is rooted into the ground and a hole in the ground resonates >>the vibration. --============_-1061704459==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Slide



Ramiro,
That sounds awesome. Do you have mp3's to listen to? :)
 
David

 
On 6/15/06, Ramiro Musotto <ramirose@ism.com.br> wrote:
You said berimbau .
That's my main instrument .
I do live looping with a lot of berimbaus playing together at
different pitches .
regards
Ramiro

>   At one tme I did graduate work in ethnomusicaolgy ,and my area of
>focus was the African roots of American music. The Diddey Bow,is not
>a slide  it's  single string  streched taught on a stick( or
>sometimes attached to the side of a building) and played
>percussively.It's called berimbau in brazil and there are many
>variations all over Africa,commonly adding a gourd resonator,which
>can be closed and opened by pressing against ,and moving from the
>body,causing a dynamic and pitch variation  further which adds
>rythmic epressiveness.Hugh Tracy's book on southern African
>instruments details one version which is ony played by Women ,who
>move the gourd on and off a breast.The only instrument I ever heard
>of that could physically only be played by one gender.  There are
>also versions where the string is connected to a very large stick
>which is rooted into the ground and a hole in the ground resonates
>the vibration.

--============_-1061704459==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 03:44:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 081293BEC2; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAN7FkUSBS4ge Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060615081533.01ad1578@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:47:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: More to slide than blues In-Reply-To: <20060614230418.C37253BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060614230418.C37253BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:44:29 +0000 (UTC) At 00:04 15/06/2006, you wrote: >The popularity of Hawaiian music was a global >phenomena that spawned among other things the relatively modern tradition of >Hindustani slide guitar that began in the 40's, and I believe, but I may be >wrong, the development of the pedal steel guitar. >Bill ...and in India they'd already used slide on a Vichitra Vina. Though I'm not clear where the idea came from. Says here that the instrument's been around for 100 years only. http://chandrakantha.com/articles/indian_music/gotuvadyam.html http://www.indian-instruments.com/stringed_instruments/vichitra_vina.htm >An curios statement considering that slide was invented by Hawaiians. >samba Interesting question, what other slide instruments are there? ...does a Berimbau count? that would probably have to be the earliest andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 07:11:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA8D23BEA9; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zfE0eyPCAhom7+lFM9HFLcmaSJE8jdd8t4OglzwX7+8JeNPkuTW81O1MSE8VCaKy+ISaq4qTClFDvOzVbFIZW8f9qnPfz8Q3cG8FI27B5PJ8duEAuhzN9BVgTyL4rSstaKyIPdxQb/httgQN2FZE96Fh9J7QwHvyi7q14Y911so= ; Message-ID: <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c68f3b$82f90c80$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <61Gf1C.A.7L.MmlkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:11:08 +0000 (UTC) I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i should let them operate it because there arent any guarantees of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve numbing the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and depressing being left handed... Luis --- "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: > Good luck with your recovery! > > I was making some wooden racks for the studio a few > years ago and hit the > left hand with a sharp knife. Cut the nerve etc in > the left index finger. > Immediately > knew this was seriously bad. Like a tight string > breaking. > The surgeon was an expert on micro surgery but > couldn`t promise anything. > > Today part of the finger is still kind of numb and a > little stiff. > It`s the pemanent feeling of being hit it with a > hammer a few hours ago. > ;-/) > > The good news - > When playing any stringed instrument I really forget > about it (possibl It`s > surprising and amazing > how adaptable we humans are. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Goodman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > > >I really appreciate the input so far -- It so > happens that I HAVE an > >acupuncturist who's very good. I'm going to start > with her and see how it > >goes. The most troubling part is the hard bit > inside, I know it's forming > >scar tissue, so as long as I can get the feeling > back it'll be fine... > >Hell, I can still type 60wpm, so it couldn't be > that bad. I'm more worried > >about the fact that even with feeling I've gotten > some hellacious blisters > >just by not paying too much attention. Of course > the more ecstatic I get > >by playing, ah well, but am it Art? :) > > > > Cheers everyone. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mark sottilaro" > > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, 13 June, 2006 22:43 PM > > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > > > > >>I cut my left hand pinky once with a hunting > knife. > >> Right down to the bone starting at the top and > ending > >> down near the first knuckle. FUN! > >> > >> I didn't play for nearly a year. I'm sure I > probably > >> could have but I think I lapsed into a bit of a > >> depression/fear of it. It took years to get full > >> feeling from it, but there was 80% fairly early. > My > >> doctor told me I'd never play the paino again and > he > >> was right. Luckily, I never had before the > injury so > >> it wasn't much of a loss. ;) > >> > >> I can't say you'll have the same experience, but > don't > >> let yourself get mentally held back by your > injury. > >> Work through the pain. I'm sorry I didn't. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >>> > [Original Message] > >>> > From: Stephen Goodman > > >>> > To: > >>> > Date: 6/13/2006 4:41:33 AM > >>> > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > >>> > > >>> > I stupidly crushed the end of my > >>> left middle finger > >>> between > >>> > two big flagstones around 3 weeks ago, > splitting > >>> the end like a melon. > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 13:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C83913BEC7; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.47.109] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lexicon Jamman memory? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:15:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2006 13:15:41.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7CD1A30:01C69146] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Hey gang, I just picked up a used Lexicon Jamman with the original 8 seconds. Is the memory still available somewhere to upgrade it to 32 seconds? Can anybody point me to what specific kind of memory chips it uses, and/or some places to buy them? Any estimates of how much that would cost nowadays? thanks!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 14:02:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0CC43BECF; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Lexicon Jamman memory? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:02:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaRRvm4GJu1C97XRvqVUAHnrCBKSAABjb0g Message-Id: <20060616140237.300983BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7ZEToB.A.xbE.-nrkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:02:38 +0000 (UTC) I've got the 32 second memory upgrade available for $40 + $5 shipping. I accept paypal (my account is edmondson5 comcast net). > -----Original Message----- > From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Lexicon Jamman memory? > > Hey gang, > > I just picked up a used Lexicon Jamman with the original 8 seconds. Is the > memory still available somewhere to upgrade it to 32 seconds? Can anybody > point me to what specific kind of memory chips it uses, and/or some places > to buy them? Any estimates of how much that would cost nowadays? > > thanks!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 14:16:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAEBC3BECF; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VpO4LzO1uSgfyB2JPRPrb8eJnpTXRjLrrlmFUWcONtho+R+KEDXEDthDxi0Dlwqk; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220066516141921760@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: OT: Lexicon volume Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:19:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9400168dda96d395355e795f2e50af9e2ef350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.206 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:16:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gang: I was wondering if you could help me with this hardware problem--my Lexicon MPX-500 is not a unity-gain device. Even with the output maxed in the Systems menu (yeah, I have the manual ;-) there is still an appreciable drop in volume when I take it out of bypass. This means that it's not useful for live guitar use, but it's WAY too hissy to record with, so all I can use it for is to amuse myself in my basement music room. I had foreseen greater things for it, just the little box and me, blowing minds together at my concerts, but until I get the fershlugginer thing up to unity gain, that ain't gonna happen. Oddly enough, this is not a problem with the tremolo patches, which do not suck volume at all. :-0 :-0 :-0 This box sounds too damned good to keep home. I'd be very grateful for any ideas. Yours in Sound, Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Gang:
 
I was wondering if you could help me with this hardware problem--my Lexicon MPX-500 is not a unity-gain device. Even with the output maxed in the Systems menu (yeah, I have the manual ;-) there is still an appreciable drop in volume when I  take it out of bypass. This means that it's not useful for live guitar use, but it's WAY too hissy to record with, so all I can use it for is to amuse myself in my basement music room. I had foreseen greater things for it, just the little box and me, blowing minds together at my concerts, but until I get the fershlugginer thing up to unity gain, that ain't gonna happen.
 
Oddly enough, this is not a problem with the tremolo patches, which do not suck volume at all.  :-0  :-0  :-0
 
This box sounds too damned good to keep home. I'd be very grateful for any ideas.
 
Yours in Sound,
Tim 
 
 
Timothy Mungenast
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 15:18:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5042B3BED5; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060616081123.01c18d98@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:18:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Ganglion In-Reply-To: <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001201c68f3b$82f90c80$0200000a@remwavesnet> <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <88mqJC.A._NH.ivskEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:18:58 +0000 (UTC) At 12:11 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote: >I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring >tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing >guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a >finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i should >let them operate it because there arent any guarantees >of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve numbing >the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and >depressing being left handed... I'm not a doctor so you'd be a fool to follow my advice but... I have had ganglions on the back of my hand in the past when my technique wasn't good. The best advice I got was to rest the area until my body repaired the synovial sheath shrank the ganglion. I also worked on my technique--I was using too much force and bending my wrist when I played so I played with a wrist brace for awhile to unlearn bad habits. If you cut (or pop) the synovial sheath, you weaken it. So yeah, your chances of getting another ganglion increase. Best wishes, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 16:06:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98FD93BED6; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060616081123.01c18d98@TheNettles.com> References: <001201c68f3b$82f90c80$0200000a@remwavesnet> <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060616081123.01c18d98@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <45f0554107b50c6410dc3273e4e6927e@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Ganglion Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:08:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:06:44 +0000 (UTC) I once followed the advice I had found in an old guide to self-care and home medicines. The advice was to hit the ganglion with a rubber hammer or something similar. It hurt like hell but it went away. Good luck (and get some painkillers before you swing the hammer :-) Nico P.S. No liability assumed in use of this information! Am 16.06.2006 um 17:18 schrieb Kevin: > At 12:11 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote: >> I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring >> tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing >> guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a >> finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i should >> let them operate it because there arent any guarantees >> of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve numbing >> the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and >> depressing being left handed... > > I'm not a doctor so you'd be a fool to follow my advice but... > > I have had ganglions on the back of my hand in the past when my > technique wasn't good. The best advice I got was to rest the area > until my body repaired the synovial sheath shrank the ganglion. I > also worked on my technique--I was using too much force and bending my > wrist when I played so I played with a wrist brace for awhile to > unlearn bad habits. > > If you cut (or pop) the synovial sheath, you weaken it. So yeah, your > chances of getting another ganglion increase. > > Best wishes, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 16:59:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEB203BEC7; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DOD FX25 envelope filter interesting discovery Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:59:22 +0000 (UTC) A few weeks ago I posted asking for ideas on what part I needed to fix the contact button on an old DOD stompbox. I eventually called Harman music (who owns DOD) and the were super friendly and just mailed me the part free. I soldered it in and all is well on this 20+ year old little green box. In the meantime I bought another one from someone. They confirmed it was the "green older two knob version" so I figured I'd use one as a spare. Well it arrived and indeed was an older version but it also a metalic green type paint. Different color than my real old one. No big deal I told myself but when I plugged it in I noticed it seemed a little different. I dug out my other original flat green pedals and A/B'd them for about half and hour last night. I often hear the "old two knob fx25 *sounds* better than the current FX25B three knob one). What I discovered is there is pretty obvious difference in the two different "two knob" versions in an of themselves. The flat green one looks like this: http://guitargeek.com/gear/img/dod_fx25.gif This unit sounds amazing with guitar. It is incredibly expressive and sensitive to picking and volume changes. Very juicy and wet. I woudl say this is more "delicate" in it's sound as it picks up almost everything and can be a soft warble or a louder sweep. The metallic green one looks like this: http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/754/ This unit has more rumbling and low end and is not as sensitive and expressive. It is a bit more "dark" and direct. You have to pick harder to get a similar effect and it sweeps more readily than the older one. It also seems to have a point on the range at about 2-3 o'clock where is opens up dramatically where the other one is a smooth tranistion all around. It does sound very wet as well but is more "raw" if that makes sense. The metallic unit I have is "rev G" on the mother board. I don't know how these compare to the current FX25B which adds a third "blend" knob to the mix. I would guess however that that model has more in common with the metallic later rev than the original flat green unit. Both are nice autowahs certainly and if you're not picky both would probably suit all applications. I'm thinking the older one is perfect for guitar and bass and instruments with more dynamics. The later rev might be more interesting for drum machines or processing samples and such. They are certainly cheap enough used (usually around $25-30 or so) and even new the FX25B is only $40 so they're interesting enough to experiment with. I guess my conclusion is when people say "the newer one isn't as good as the older one" I don't know if that is true or not. Or more accurately *which* older one are they comparing it to. IMO the original all green unit is the "best" sounding and the most playable. It could be the metallic one is the later rev that mutated into the current model and is very similar to it. Well regardless they are all fun and for the $$ can't be beat. I ran both of them together in my mini marshall of course and had waaay more warble than is healthy :) Hope that geeky info helps someone. __________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 19:30:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75CCB3BEB9; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: Message-ID: <007301c6917b$3ec487f0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <001c01c69058$5bf236c0$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:29:53 +0200 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <61Q_KC.A.53H.-awkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:30:06 +0000 (UTC) OH MY GOD Claude!!! THATS COMPLEX!!!! Jeez, I was saving up for a second EDP (anyone got one going cheap?)just = so=20 i could do what Clint described... as in NOT have them working in = stereo...=20 wondering whether to bother now...!!! Now before I go to the manual (and I DO realise that you are one of the = EDP=20 Wizards Claude) but isnt there a simpler way? by setting the second EDPs = offset way outa range of the first, THEN programming a second bank of = FCB=20 pedals to do what you want.. then you need a way to whizz back to stereo = operation..(have to look that one up) but then the first FCB bank will=20 control both EDP's... wont it??? To summerise, FCB bank one controls EDP 1 AND both in stereo. FCB bank = two=20 controls EDP bank 2. MArk Subject: Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup > this hasnt been discussed before so you did search :=3D) > > It is possible but probably not with the fcb and not for the midi = beginner > > 0- you need a midi controler that can send sys ex > 1- you need to set the edp's on a different sys ex device ID nb p 10-6 = > edp+ manual > 2- by sending the apropriate sys ex message you can change the mid = chan=20 > recieve in one of the pair to make them respond to different channels > example: if you have edp A dev id 1 edp B dev id 2 both on midi chan 1 > > from the sys ex manual: global data :F0 00 01 30 0B dev vers 11 from=20 > length pset val_1 .. val_n F7 > > dev: device id. we want to talk to edp B so 2 > version :01 > 11 . means global params data. > from: The global parameters index nb. Midi chan is index 2 so we enter = 2 > lenght: we send only one param value starting from the index nb so we=20 > enter 1 > pset :for future use: 7F > val: we want to set edp B to mid chan 2 so we enter 1 (chan 1 is = entered=20 > 0) > F7 end of exclusive > the complete message in hexadecimal > > F0 00 01 30 0B 02 01 11 01 01 7f 01 F7 > > 3- once you have sent this message edp A is on ch 1 and B on ch 2 > > 4- set your commands on your midi controler to access the edp you want = by=20 > channel (create a second set of commands adressing midi chan 2) > > 5- to come back to stereo operation :F0 00 01 30 0B 02 01 11 01 01 7f = 00=20 > F7 > > > > hope this can help > > Claude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Clint Goss" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:22 AM > Subject: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup > > >> Hi - >> >> I know this has been discussed before, but I can't put my finger on = it=20 >> ... >> >> I've got a typical stereo Plex setup (midi and brotherSync = connections=20 >> between >> the two units) and use a programmable foot pedal (FCB1010) to control = >> both. How >> can I address just one of the two from the FCB1010 for that odd = situation=20 >> where >> I want them to act independently. >> >> Thanks! >> >> - Clint Goss >> >> Email: clint@goss.com >> Web: www.goss.com >> >> >> >=20 --=20 ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 16057 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 20:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FB253BED0; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22689973.1150489043996.JavaMail.root@web28> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:17:23 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi: I can't believe the RC-50 talk died off so quick. I'm assuming the users are busy as bees with their new toy. I had the opportunity to use mine twice (only) so far for practice only. I thought it was a fairly intuitive unit (if one does a modicum of study of the manual) and was looping in a matter of minutes. The most difficult thing I encountered was figuring how to connect the looper to my sound environment. I wanted to hook it to my patchbay so I could route a variety of synths and my guitar to it but my mixer (Onyx) doesn't have true sends (there s a DB-25 connecter to multiple 1/4 inch out snake that needs purchased). I ended up routing the output of my amp (Cyber Twin) to the RC-50's mike connect using the XLR input. and routing the Main outs to a stereo input on my mixer. I 'think' I noticed the glitch someone else mentioned at the beginning of the recorded loop the first time around but it happens so quick and disappears that I haven't found it to be a problem (yet). It seems like the overdubs get a tad muddy rather quickly but the quality is still not half bad. I still have level issues I need to work out - I'm not sure if I'm sending too hot a signal into the RC-50 or if it's the quirk of the unit. All & all, though, I'm happy with the RC-50. For its price point, it's got a lot going for it. -- Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 20:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12F213BED2; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <410.4276076.31c46eef@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:30:39 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_410.4276076.31c46eef_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <8qilYC.A.aGC.2TxkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:30:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_410.4276076.31c46eef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit continuing my thoughts on the rc50, i have continued to find it a nice unit. i've used it in ways i had not anticipated, ie., single mode loops from section A to section B, which i had not done before. mostly using that for compositional stuff, hearing how sections would sound back to back. i also confess that i have used the rhythm tracks to do some writing. initially i thought there was no way i'd mess with those, but i burried my attitude and had some fun with it. for me, whether i keep the unit or return it hinges on that damn "glitch" as paul calls it at the end of the record and the begining of the playback. it bothers me that much. i'm really not sure what to do about it. playing through it just seems like a lame way to get around it. the fact of the matter is it shouldn't be there. if anyone else has experienced this and truly has found a consistent way around it, i'd be all ears. maybe i do quieter loops than others, as when i try to loop more subtle chord progressions or motifs with any space in there, it really is jarring.......again, only for the first time around, but still, that's just ridiculous. maybe i should try another one somewhere and see if maybe mine is particularly bad. so in closing, still having fun, but still frustrated as well, john --part1_410.4276076.31c46eef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable continuing my thoughts on the rc50, i h= ave continued to find it a nice unit.  i've used it in ways i had not=20= anticipated, ie., single mode loops from section A to section B, which i had= not done before.  mostly using that for compositional stuff, hearing=20= how sections would sound back to back.  i also confess that i have use= d the rhythm tracks to do some writing.  initially i thought there was= no way i'd mess with those, but i burried my attitude and had some fun with= it.

for me, whether i keep the unit or return it hinges on that damn "glitch" as= paul calls it at the end of the record and the begining of the playback.&nb= sp; it bothers me that much.  i'm really not sure what to do about it= .  playing through it just seems like a lame way to get around it.&nbs= p; the fact of the matter is it shouldn't be there.  if anyone else h= as experienced this and truly has found a consistent way arou= nd it, i'd be all ears.  maybe i do quieter loops than others, as when= i try to loop more subtle chord progressions or motifs with any space in th= ere, it really is jarring.......again, only for the first time around, but s= till, that's just ridiculous.  maybe i should try another one somewher= e and see if maybe mine is particularly bad.

so in closing, still having fun, but still frustrated as well,
john --part1_410.4276076.31c46eef_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 20:40:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D8F13BED6; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060616001832.50E8C3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: slide, Sol Hoopi Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2006 20:40:05.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CE1F290:01C69185] Resent-Message-ID: <5ztAhB.A.i6C.pcxkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Curiosly there are stories floating around in Hawaii,esp on Oahu that an Indian guy stranded in Honolulu introduced slide.But there's no evidence of a previous slide tradition in India. THe Sarangis and Sarod are played by using parts of the fingernails as slides,but that's not quite the same.It's pretty well established that Joseph Kekuku invented slide while he was a student at the Kamehameha schools. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 20:46:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11DDC3BEE0; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:46:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C69164.67485AB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaRg8BSxVRQQYvPSlS78HiHkS/RdwAAe4OQ In-Reply-To: <410.4276076.31c46eef@aol.com> Message-Id: <20060616204618.9163A3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_gaFuB.A.8JD.bixkEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C69164.67485AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My friend mentioned to me that he contacted boss about a different issue as well. he tried to slave it to his drum machine midi clock and it would not stay in sync. They've acknowledged the problem and said he should make the rc-50 master only. _____ From: Jfloridis@aol.com [mailto:Jfloridis@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy continuing my thoughts on the rc50, i have continued to find it a nice unit. i've used it in ways i had not anticipated, ie., single mode loops from section A to section B, which i had not done before. mostly using that for compositional stuff, hearing how sections would sound back to back. i also confess that i have used the rhythm tracks to do some writing. initially i thought there was no way i'd mess with those, but i burried my attitude and had some fun with it. for me, whether i keep the unit or return it hinges on that damn "glitch" as paul calls it at the end of the record and the begining of the playback. it bothers me that much. i'm really not sure what to do about it. playing through it just seems like a lame way to get around it. the fact of the matter is it shouldn't be there. if anyone else has experienced this and truly has found a consistent way around it, i'd be all ears. maybe i do quieter loops than others, as when i try to loop more subtle chord progressions or motifs with any space in there, it really is jarring.......again, only for the first time around, but still, that's just ridiculous. maybe i should try another one somewhere and see if maybe mine is particularly bad. so in closing, still having fun, but still frustrated as well, john ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C69164.67485AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My friend mentioned to me that he contacted boss about a different issue as well. he tried to slave it to = his drum machine midi clock and it would not stay in sync. They’ve = acknowledged the problem and said he should make the rc-50 master = only.

 

From: Jfloridis@aol.com [mailto:Jfloridis@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 16, = 2006 4:31 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: RC-50 Users = Must Be Busy

 

continuing my thoughts on the = rc50, i have continued to find it a nice unit.  i've used it in ways i had = not anticipated, ie., single mode loops from section A to section B, which i = had not done before.  mostly using that for compositional stuff, = hearing how sections would sound back to back.  i also confess that i have used = the rhythm tracks to do some writing.  initially i thought there was no = way i'd mess with those, but i burried my attitude and had some fun with = it.

for me, whether i keep the unit or return it hinges on that damn "glitch" as paul calls it at the end of the record and the = begining of the playback.  it bothers me that much.  i'm really not = sure what to do about it.  playing through it just seems like a lame way to = get around it.  the fact of the matter is it shouldn't be there.  = if anyone else has experienced this and truly has found a consistent way around it, i'd be all ears.  maybe i do = quieter loops than others, as when i try to loop more subtle chord progressions = or motifs with any space in there, it really is jarring.......again, only = for the first time around, but still, that's just ridiculous.  maybe i = should try another one somewhere and see if maybe mine is particularly bad.

so in closing, still having fun, but still frustrated as well,
john

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C69164.67485AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 20:57:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D61B3BECA; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3092.69.155.52.177.1150491470.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <20060616204618.9163A3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <410.4276076.31c46eef@aol.com> <20060616204618.9163A3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:57:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Oh wow... If that's the case, I definitely won't buy one. Won't do much good if it can't slave to a sequencer. --Josh > My friend mentioned to me that he contacted boss about a different issue > as > well. he tried to slave it to his drum machine midi clock and it would not > stay in sync. They've acknowledged the problem and said he should make the > rc-50 master only. > > > > _____ > > From: Jfloridis@aol.com [mailto:Jfloridis@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:31 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy > > > > continuing my thoughts on the rc50, i have continued to find it a nice > unit. > i've used it in ways i had not anticipated, ie., single mode loops from > section A to section B, which i had not done before. mostly using that > for > compositional stuff, hearing how sections would sound back to back. i > also > confess that i have used the rhythm tracks to do some writing. initially > i > thought there was no way i'd mess with those, but i burried my attitude > and > had some fun with it. > > for me, whether i keep the unit or return it hinges on that damn "glitch" > as > paul calls it at the end of the record and the begining of the playback. > it > bothers me that much. i'm really not sure what to do about it. playing > through it just seems like a lame way to get around it. the fact of the > matter is it shouldn't be there. if anyone else has experienced this and > truly has found a consistent way around it, i'd be all ears. maybe i do > quieter loops than others, as when i try to loop more subtle chord > progressions or motifs with any space in there, it really is > jarring.......again, only for the first time around, but still, that's > just > ridiculous. maybe i should try another one somewhere and see if maybe > mine > is particularly bad. > > so in closing, still having fun, but still frustrated as well, > john > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 21:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64C8C3BED3; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=A69xfJjRIJaf/6xvfK212kSdqyceMEQsuLjcLHHGS0Ad/bz6h8gGqjzF5c+6VvLg1at+iaI0zljHaCP1Gtrl64pN6b2+09x9talwsQM+ZlXdvFn/SWPclrsKljacBJcPVBI8YVbfq2BjgbM0iu5zEgEB8/mZ/c55gloLx/RJfW4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120606161412x2fac7f24s5d4786b7e904a019@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:12:35 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy In-Reply-To: <3092.69.155.52.177.1150491470.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <410.4276076.31c46eef@aol.com> <20060616204618.9163A3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <3092.69.155.52.177.1150491470.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4dee61eca64a82a6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Well, that isn't so bad if the pedal emits a nice accurate time signal and the sequencer takes timecode in.... 2006/6/16, Joshua Carroll : > Oh wow... If that's the case, I definitely won't buy one. Won't do much > good if it can't slave to a sequencer. > > --Josh > > > My friend mentioned to me that he contacted boss about a different issue > > as > > well. he tried to slave it to his drum machine midi clock and it would not > > stay in sync. They've acknowledged the problem and said he should make the > > rc-50 master only. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Jfloridis@aol.com [mailto:Jfloridis@aol.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:31 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy > > > > > > > > continuing my thoughts on the rc50, i have continued to find it a nice > > unit. > > i've used it in ways i had not anticipated, ie., single mode loops from > > section A to section B, which i had not done before. mostly using that > > for > > compositional stuff, hearing how sections would sound back to back. i > > also > > confess that i have used the rhythm tracks to do some writing. initially > > i > > thought there was no way i'd mess with those, but i burried my attitude > > and > > had some fun with it. > > > > for me, whether i keep the unit or return it hinges on that damn "glitch" > > as > > paul calls it at the end of the record and the begining of the playback. > > it > > bothers me that much. i'm really not sure what to do about it. playing > > through it just seems like a lame way to get around it. the fact of the > > matter is it shouldn't be there. if anyone else has experienced this and > > truly has found a consistent way around it, i'd be all ears. maybe i do > > quieter loops than others, as when i try to loop more subtle chord > > progressions or motifs with any space in there, it really is > > jarring.......again, only for the first time around, but still, that's > > just > > ridiculous. maybe i should try another one somewhere and see if maybe > > mine > > is particularly bad. > > > > so in closing, still having fun, but still frustrated as well, > > john > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 21:23:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D61DE3BEDA; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GnZjGKh+++6L6OJGFx8WE+kqP0J7LnU1b1OpL7Nz21sSUYMqRCllOfM1uiCwPTxBJ2wBC+m40lwmMnIuLg+ySmkiPFj64tuWwR2zbXnMtsTOdXm9hbnz1A0vPeVxKpb6bQhQnfxCnx9k4oKFaSCiHaRZLh+y6Aj5CpxLMrrHGGA= Message-ID: <46fea78d0606161423i568a46e0p2ced95185b9e72b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:23:03 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman memory? In-Reply-To: <20060616140237.300983BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_136830_27766786.1150492983663" References: <20060616140237.300983BEB3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:23:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_136830_27766786.1150492983663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here are a couple useful links: http://loopersdelight.com/tools/jamman/jamman_memory.html http://www.lexiconpro.com/support/product-faq-details.asp?ID=6 The upgrade also pops up on eBay from time to time. David On 6/16/06, Bill Edmondson wrote: > > I've got the 32 second memory upgrade available for $40 + $5 shipping. I > accept paypal (my account is edmondson5 comcast net). > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:16 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Lexicon Jamman memory? > > > > Hey gang, > > > > I just picked up a used Lexicon Jamman with the original 8 seconds. Is > the > > memory still available somewhere to upgrade it to 32 seconds? Can > anybody > > point me to what specific kind of memory chips it uses, and/or some > places > > to buy them? Any estimates of how much that would cost nowadays? > > > > thanks!! > > > ------=_Part_136830_27766786.1150492983663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Here are a couple useful links:
 
 
 
The upgrade also pops up on eBay from time to time.
David
 

 
On 6/16/06, Bill Edmondson <edmondson5@comcast.net> wrote:
I've got the 32 second memory upgrade available for $40 + $5 shipping. I
accept paypal (my account is edmondson5 <at> comcast <dot> net).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:16 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Lexicon Jamman memory?
>
> Hey gang,
>
> I just picked up a used Lexicon Jamman with the original 8 seconds. Is the
> memory still available somewhere to upgrade it to 32 seconds? Can anybody
> point me to what specific kind of memory chips it uses, and/or some places
> to buy them? Any estimates of how much that would cost nowadays?
>
> thanks!!



------=_Part_136830_27766786.1150492983663-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 21:38:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81C523BEDC; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <449324EB.2000503@biink.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:38:51 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! References: <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:38:45 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: >I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring >tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing >guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a >finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i should >let them operate it because there arent any guarantees >of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve numbing >the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and >depressing being left handed... >Luis > I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my pinky. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 21:47:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A50333BED3; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <449324EB.2000503@biink.com> References: <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449324EB.2000503@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: David Beardsley Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:47:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:47:54 +0000 (UTC) hi david! wonderful music on your myspace=20 http://www.myspace.com/davidbeardsley .... Glad to see you listen to Kraig Grady.......I'm a big fan of his...and=20= microtonal music.......and looping...(of course) best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 16, 2006, at 2:38 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring >> tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing >> guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a >> finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i should >> let them operate it because there arent any guarantees >> of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve numbing >> the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and >> depressing being left handed... >> Luis >> > I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd=20 > fingers next > to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do anything but=20 > surgery if you can, > I still don't have 100% control of my pinky. > > --=20 > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 16 22:52:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 765033BED0; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120606161412x2fac7f24s5d4786b7e904a019@mail.gmail.com> References: <410.4276076.31c46eef@aol.com> <20060616204618.9163A3BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> <3092.69.155.52.177.1150491470.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <26ba8d120606161412x2fac7f24s5d4786b7e904a019@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:52:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:52:06 +0000 (UTC) At 5:12 PM -0400 6/16/06, Tom Ritchford wrote: >2006/6/16, Joshua Carroll : >>Oh wow... If that's the case, I definitely won't buy one. Won't do much >>good if it can't slave to a sequencer. > >Well, that isn't so bad if the pedal emits a nice accurate time signal >and the sequencer takes timecode in.... Hrm, I think that depends on the way you're set up. If, like many sequencer users, you typically use a bar or two "pre-roll" at the beginning of each song in order to load patch data throughout all your gear, then starting and syncing from an external source can be a bit more problematic. Since the actual start of the song is several beats earlier than the point at which any audio is emitted, I can imagine locking the devices together properly might get tricky if the external looper is controlling the show. You can probably get around it by loading and playing a separate sequence to set up all your gear, then load and play the actual song (lather, rinse, repeat for each song). But that's a bit unwieldy in a live situation. Far easier if you can just get all your external devices to simply slave to the sequencer, IMNSHO. And, as always, YMMV... --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 01:01:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27B53BED0; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4911.128.193.37.230.1150506057.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Portable Non-Laptop Music PC From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Looks like Peter Kirn is going to build an expandable non-laptop music/video performance PC over at CreateDigitalMusic: http://tinyurl.com/qvbr2 Cheers, Kevin The Nettles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 01:27:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76C7B3BED6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44935A94.9000407@biink.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:27:48 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: David Beardsley References: <20060616071106.50858.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449324EB.2000503@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > hi david! wonderful music on your myspace > http://www.myspace.com/davidbeardsley .... > > Glad to see you listen to Kraig Grady.......I'm a big fan of his...and > microtonal music.......and looping...(of course) > > best, > Jeff Wow, a thread named after me. I should get some new music up on myspace. Kraig is amazing, I've known him for a while. We both played on the same WOOT fest a few years ago. He was playing a tuned vibraphone duet with the the lovely Erin and I closed out the evening with some loopy microtonal drones. Thanks for the out of the blue hello! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 05:29:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65DBB3BEE0; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HL+2eYWSy9IRtWA+VZJkFzTeLHiwUEgQhuCYNzqOZH9i+O2FKJHjFQR2smLDpJKDAcdGkl6O0T9+/OzzG81WBjXfsLb5/PgTjIYBtaz68Dos2UCOTkGyawJCJoARZEkgDBS3R5bbALRH2F7z52vlZT8vG+DqSY/XiEGykjQERFo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0606162229i58be579dq904489be6bd5bd89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:29:57 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Portable Non-Laptop Music PC In-Reply-To: <4911.128.193.37.230.1150506057.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4911.128.193.37.230.1150506057.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:29:59 +0000 (UTC) I'm interested to read the story as it develops. I was thinking along a similiar line, maybe building a shuttle SK21 with an AMD Turion 64 Mobile MT40. That would be fast and quiet. Not so good for video, but I'd be using it as an audio only (looping) machine. On 6/16/06, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Looks like Peter Kirn is going to build an expandable non-laptop music/video > performance PC over at CreateDigitalMusic: > http://tinyurl.com/qvbr2 > > Cheers, > Kevin > The Nettles > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 05:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B66DA3BEE7; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <410.4276076.31c46eef@aol.com> References: <410.4276076.31c46eef@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: ben weber Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:37:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <1F2laB.A.pzC.YU5kEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Greetings to all loopers. I tried the RC-50 at a store for like an hour. With the manual it seemed pretty great. The drum machine and tempo guide thing was a bit of an issuse. I just want to loop live stick in stereo to my own time with differing loop lengths. Although I did go under 2 menus to deactivate the internal stuff, there was still some master clock going while I would create loops. Only on short loops it became a small problem, as it would not end>start the loop precisely. Still mostly seamless looping to me, with good fidelity. I really enjoyed the 3 loop pedals individually activated with 7 total pedals. And either in or out of sync. 3 stereo track loops per 'patch'. Worked like a charm. Yet I could not figure out how to play longer phrases over short loops. Like multiply on an echoplex sorta. As for the hiccup issue, I didn't notice anything. Though I was not making remotely ambient loops so I will re-test it for this reason. Overall it was really fun considering it was my first time trying it. -ben san-com.com/oceansdown.html myspace.com/oceansinspace Tragnast@mn.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 06:48:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2DE03BEE6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:48:04 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: 385 free samples from Andrew Duke for looping, mangling, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4493A5A4.1060209@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC931B@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: <_pnXcB.A.Z8D.oW6kEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:48:08 +0000 (UTC) I've managed to round up 16 super-duper sweet prizes for the Consumer vs. User remix contest. More details on the prizes and the contest to follow as time permits. Don't worry, contest is running until August 31. If you'd like to get started playing with the 385 free 24bit WAV samples that are now available from me to use as ya wish (you don't have to enter the contest, you could just plug 'em into your favorite looping device and mangle 'em :)), go to http://andrew-duke.com and start downloadin' (click on "contests") if interested. Thanks. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 08:51:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4FE3BEDB; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALBdk0SBS4gc Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060617093818.00bffec0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:48:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy In-Reply-To: <20060617064809.62D103BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060617064809.62D103BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:51:51 +0000 (UTC) At 07:48 17/06/2006, you wrote: > Yet I could not figure out >how to play longer phrases over short loops. Like multiply on an >echoplex sorta. ...doesn't the manual describe how to do this with multiple loops? (from what I remember from looking through it, there's a page where they describe how to make complex arrangements) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 14:59:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C796A3BEDB; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <248.caa8d99.31c572dd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:59:41 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 Users Must Be Busy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_248.caa8d99.31c572dd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:59:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_248.caa8d99.31c572dd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/17/06 2:51:53 AM, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes: > At 07:48 17/06/2006, you wrote: > >=A0 Yet I could not figure out > >how to play longer phrases over short loops. Like multiply on an > >echoplex sorta. >=20 how you do this is to first have the unit in multi mode, BUT make sure loop=20 sync is turned off....that's the key. the little button right below the=20 multi/single mode button. then record your shorter loop on phrase 1, switc= h over=20 to phrase 2 and this can be of any length you desire. that should do it. john --part1_248.caa8d99.31c572dd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/17/06 2:51:53 AM, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes:=

At 07:48 17/06/2006,=20= you wrote:
>=A0 Yet I could not figure out
>how to play longer phrases over short loops. Like multiply on an
>echoplex sorta.

how you do this is to first have the unit in multi mode, BUT make sure loop=20= sync is turned off....that's the key.  the little button right below t= he multi/single mode button.  then record your shorter loop on phrase=20= 1, switch over to phrase 2 and this can be of any length you desire.  =20= that should do it.

john


 --part1_248.caa8d99.31c572dd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 15:14:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B20BB3BED6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:14:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for June 17, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44941C60.9090900@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:16 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060617.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #89 June 17, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase II was pre- empted by Phase I to allow more emusic to be played. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ VA [Paul Ellis and You Are Here Edition #8 Sampler (Groove) Steve Roach] VA [Ron Boots and From Hull to Leeds Edition #8 Sampler (Groove) Harold v.d. Heijden] Steven Wilson Drugged Bass Communication Vol, 1 The Ministry of Inside Serenity Cove Prelude Contact Point (Synkronos) Things The Ministry of Inside Serenity Cove Contact Point (Synkronos) Things The Ministry of Inside The Uncharted Isle Contact Point (Synkronos) Things The Ministry of Inside Fortescue Contact Point (Synkronos) Things Jaroslaw Degorsky Organix Organix (none) A Close Call Oxygene It's a Synthesizer World (BR Music) Phase II/Eclectic: pre-empted by Phase I Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================ Ozric Tentacles Spacebase The Floor's Too Far Away (Magna Carta) Ozric Tentacles Disdots The Floor's Too Far Away (Magna Carta) Ozric Tentacles Etherclock The Floor's Too Far Away (Magna Carta) Salem Hill The Future Me Mimi's Magic Moment (Progrock) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on July 1. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. 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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:42:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6922C.F6BCC320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:42:07 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6922C.F6BCC320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my pinky.<< ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing up, base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the seam of my wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical options? this isn't a nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires quicker.... my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but obviously I am fighting this impulse! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the roo= t of my 1st & 2nd fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 yea= rs ago. Do anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control= of my pinky.<<

ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left= hand facing up, base of thumb between root of first & second finger, r= ight on the seam of my wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgica= l options? this isn't a nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires quicke= r....

my natural inclination is to spear it with something shar= p..... but obviously I am fighting this impulse!

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6922C.F6BCC320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 16:46:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBA743BEDC; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <449431CD.2010902@biink.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:46:05 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9335@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9335@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:46:03 +0000 (UTC) goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd > fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do > anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my > pinky.<< > > ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing > up, base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the > seam of my wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical > options? this isn't a nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires > quicker.... > > my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but > obviously I am fighting this impulse! > > duncan. > Back then I had people suggesting that I smack it with a book. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 17:10:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BFE43BEDC; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9335@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9335@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-458353744 Message-Id: <5d26c1c41fb5ecc140d6839f0807da0e@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:10:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:10:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-458353744 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Leo Kottke is a fun person to investigate concerning hand issues. I think he's been through it all and had to stop playing for a while because of it. The latest I've read from him he seems to be saying that he's amplified his acoustic guitar and is playing with a much more gentle touch, no fingernails, no fingerpicks etc. So not picking so hard with the right hand helps a lot. Of course, you don't get the big mojo when you play softer, which is kind of a bomb. I pick very hard with my right hand with medium strings - acoustic, finger style mostly. I've noticed for myself that my posture when I play has a huge impact on my hands. My hands have to be in just the right place, with correct wrist angles, or my fingers go to sleep. This started when I was touring with Shree Maa (I was playing acoustic 12 string LOUD) and we would play some songs, or puja songs, that would last an hour or two non stop. The strings started to feel like razor blades cutting through my thick callouses (SP?). So now, when I sit and play, I sit classical style. Really helps a lot. When I get lazy and sit back on the couch and play my hands go haywire after just a few minutes of playing - an instant reminder. But if I sit right, I can play for hours. Not sure if this has any impact on the ganglion thing. But if you practice more than an hour a day, paying close attention to your hands, posture etc - especially when you've accumulated decades of playing, is critical. Another thing my chiropractor told me was that I shouldn't look at my guitar (my left hand) when I play. Apparently looking to the left - especially if your right arm is raised (which it isn't if you're sitting correctly), can cause neck and back issues. I bet rolfing (or deep muscle massage) would be good for stuff like ganglions. You might check that out. It might loosen up some of the muscles that are too tight. As many have said, I think I would try to avoid surgery as long as possible. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Jun-06, at 9:42 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd > fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do > anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my > pinky.<< > > ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing > up, base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the > seam of my wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical > options? this isn't a nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires > quicker.... > > my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but > obviously I am fighting this impulse! > > duncan. > > > > *********************************************************************** > **** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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The latest I've read from him he seems to be saying that he's amplified his acoustic guitar and is playing with a much more gentle touch, no fingernails, no fingerpicks etc. So not picking so hard with the right hand helps a lot. Of course, you don't get the big mojo when you play softer, which is kind of a bomb. I pick very hard with my right hand with medium strings - acoustic, finger style mostly. I've noticed for myself that my posture when I play has a huge impact on my hands. My hands have to be in just the right place, with correct wrist angles, or my fingers go to sleep. This started when I was touring with Shree Maa (I was playing acoustic 12 string LOUD) and we would play some songs, or puja songs, that would last an hour or two non stop. The strings started to feel like razor blades cutting through my thick callouses (SP?). So now, when I sit and play, I sit classical style. Really helps a lot. When I get lazy and sit back on the couch and play my hands go haywire after just a few minutes of playing - an instant reminder. But if I sit right, I can play for hours. Not sure if this has any impact on the ganglion thing. But if you practice more than an hour a day, paying close attention to your hands, posture etc - especially when you've accumulated decades of playing, is critical. Another thing my chiropractor told me was that I shouldn't look at my guitar (my left hand) when I play. Apparently looking to the left - especially if your right arm is raised (which it isn't if you're sitting correctly), can cause neck and back issues. I bet rolfing (or deep muscle massage) would be good for stuff like ganglions. You might check that out. It might loosen up some of the muscles that are too tight. As many have said, I think I would try to avoid surgery as long as possible. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Jun-06, at 9:42 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my pinky.<<<< ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing up, base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the seam of my wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical options? this isn't a nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires quicker.... my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but obviously I am fighting this impulse! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** --Apple-Mail-5-458353744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 17:20:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A8E33BED3; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=piz2YoWFVnVXRy/bH05hBtvW5O0Tb4QJCWwPqxQ3fL1qP+gyrmjYZrtTF/r8hE/J/X6zjGeS+zD+tTx6kh4Vh/4m5l928HfWIDMOCvnLx6jXL6o9tXnrTn/La1wo2pPAcU3jn7aSLi9bmQ6vOC5E/uA4yTTiUcZwlK1DwFLVC5Q= Message-ID: <26ba8d120606171020nc7b2f70sbeb300e003e6c0df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:20:50 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9335@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9335@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6518441eb8bf1680 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:20:51 +0000 (UTC) I was stabbed in the left thumb by a nasty, drunken girlfriend over four years ago and the sensation never returned to parts of it. On the wind instrument (my primary instrument), that thumb does the octave key, but to my great pleasure, it turns out that muscle memory alone works perfectly there. And of course it doesn't interfere with stringed instruments at all. But it bugs me every time I try to play the piano. Hmm, acupuncture, you say? On 6/17/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > > >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd fingers > next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do anything but surgery > if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my pinky.<< > > > ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing up, > base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the seam of my > wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical options? this isn't a > nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires quicker.... > > my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but > obviously I am fighting this impulse! > > duncan. > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:47:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:47:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-460551417 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed My Better Judgement lost the feeling in her index finger after squishing it big time with a sledge hammer. It looked like a red banana that had been stepped on. After a year of trying everything else, acupuncture brought back the feeling in one visit. Go for it. It's usually pretty cheap - at least compared with a regular doc. Now... stabbed by a girlfriend? Are you Robert Johnson maybe? Have you ever made any unusual deals with strange creatures with two funny pointy things on their heads? And did your playing improve dramatically after that? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Jun-06, at 10:20 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I was stabbed in the left thumb by a nasty, drunken girlfriend over > four years ago and the sensation never returned to parts of it. On > the wind instrument (my primary instrument), that thumb does the > octave key, but to my great pleasure, it turns out that muscle memory > alone works perfectly there. And of course it doesn't interfere with > stringed instruments at all. But it bugs me every time I try to play > the piano. > > Hmm, acupuncture, you say? > > On 6/17/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >> >> >> >> >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd >> fingers >> next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do anything but >> surgery >> if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my pinky.<< >> >> >> ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing >> up, >> base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the >> seam of my >> wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical options? this >> isn't a >> nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires quicker.... >> >> my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but >> obviously I am fighting this impulse! >> >> duncan. >> >> ********************************************************************** >> ***** >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user >> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also >> be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may >> not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it >> in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, >> please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. >> >> It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other >> checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not >> affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this >> e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily >> represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, >> nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. >> >> MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from >> external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct >> and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. >> >> MTV Networks Europe >> ********************************************************************** >> ***** >> > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > --Apple-Mail-2-460551417 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII My Better Judgement lost the feeling in her index finger after squishing it big time with a sledge hammer. It looked like a red banana that had been stepped on. After a year of trying everything else, acupuncture brought back the feeling in one visit. Go for it. It's usually pretty cheap - at least compared with a regular doc. Now... stabbed by a girlfriend? Are you Robert Johnson maybe? Have you ever made any unusual deals with strange creatures with two funny pointy things on their heads? And did your playing improve dramatically after that? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 17-Jun-06, at 10:20 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: I was stabbed in the left thumb by a nasty, drunken girlfriend over four years ago and the sensation never returned to parts of it. On the wind instrument (my primary instrument), that thumb does the octave key, but to my great pleasure, it turns out that muscle memory alone works perfectly there. And of course it doesn't interfere with stringed instruments at all. But it bugs me every time I try to play the piano. Hmm, acupuncture, you say? On 6/17/06, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com < wrote: >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my pinky.<<<< ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing up, base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the seam of my wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical options? this isn't a nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires quicker.... my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but obviously I am fighting this impulse! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) --Apple-Mail-2-460551417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 17:54:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F04963BED3; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4493A5A4.1060209@andrew-duke.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC931B@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <4493A5A4.1060209@andrew-duke.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6aa91bdb1926475d6effabf7fbba29d2@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: 385 free samples from Andrew Duke for looping, mangling, etc Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:54:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:54:07 +0000 (UTC) hmmmmmm........this sounds like fun...... 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Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 21:44:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581A33BECF; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060617142001.0e070498@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:44:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup In-Reply-To: <000701c69009$6b7c6e20$6901a8c0@Saturn> References: <000701c69009$6b7c6e20$6901a8c0@Saturn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:44:53 +0000 (UTC) At 04:22 PM 6/14/2006, Clint Goss wrote: >I know this has been discussed before, but I can't put my finger on it ... > >I've got a typical stereo Plex setup (midi and brotherSync connections between >the two units) and use a programmable foot pedal (FCB1010) to control >both. How >can I address just one of the two from the FCB1010 for that odd situation >where >I want them to act independently. It would be really easy to do this if you had a better midi controller, but the FCB1010 is too limited for it. All you have to do is put the two echoplexes on two different midi channels, say ch 1 and 2. Have one bank of commands on the midi controller that only sends commands on midi channel 1, a second bank that only sends commands on midi channel 2, and a third bank that sends commands on both channels 1 and 2 simultaneously. Then you just change banks on the controller depending on what you want to do. Or, as someone else suggested, you could do something similar by setting the "source#" parameter differently for each echoplex. Then each Echoplex would use a different range of midi notes/controllers for its commands. You could have them on the same midi channel in that case. The midi controller would be set up similar to above, with one bank sending sending single commands to 1 Echoplex's note range, another sending commands to the second Echoplex's note range, and a third bank sending two notes to address both Echoplexes at the same time. Your problem is the FCB1010 can only send one midi note message at a time, on one globally defined midi channel, which is really idiotic. So it can't do either of these methods. And its implementation of continuous controller messages is also really limited, so it can't manage any concept of momentary switching where one cc value is sent on pressing down and a different cc value on releasing. This is also too limited for most of the Echoplex's looping functions. If you want to do more sophisticated control of midi devices like you are wishing, you really need a better midi controller than the FCB1010. The only way you could use it is to follow Claude's instructions using sysex commands to change the midi channels of the Echoplexes on the fly. However, you would still need a separate device to send the sysex, because the FCB can't do that either. At that point you might as well just get a better midi controller and keep it simple with separate midi channels. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 21:53:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B47DD3BEDA; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:53:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201c69258$6ca81550$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcaSV0Qp2AadCPlbRa+pbf+v7/U3CwAADsqg In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060617142001.0e070498@loopers-delight.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:53:12 +0000 (UTC) This is true, although with the hacked firmware, it has allowed for some improvement. There apparently isn't enough memory for different channels per preset, or releasepedal messages, although for probably a few pennies more they could have maybe used a little bit more memory. So, for midi controllers, this leaves us with the PMC-10 and maybe the Rocktron All Access, although the Access is about the same price as an EDP...isn't there another expensive midi controller from Europe too? What other controllers are out there? And why is it so hard to find one that uses more of the midi spec? Should it really cost $1k for a controller? I really hate spending money on stuff that doesn't make sound. I will say- I used the PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was weird- there was about a 100ms delay from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP changed its state. I just use the EDP controller for the EDP, and the FCB1010 for everything else- they work pretty well together. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > It would be really easy to do this if you had a better midi > controller, but the FCB1010 is too limited for it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 17 23:59:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8BE3BED8; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060617164243.0e0723d0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:59:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup In-Reply-To: <00e201c69258$6ca81550$0202fea9@mincer> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060617142001.0e070498@loopers-delight.com> <00e201c69258$6ca81550$0202fea9@mincer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:59:40 +0000 (UTC) At 02:53 PM 6/17/2006, hazard factor wrote: > This is true, although with the hacked firmware, it has allowed for some >improvement. There apparently isn't enough memory for different channels per >preset, or releasepedal messages, although for probably a few pennies more >they could have maybe used a little bit more memory. if people are going to the trouble of hacking the firmware, why not change out the memory also and increase the memory size? Seems like it would be a pretty simple hardware mod, unless the problem is the cpu address range is already filled up. >So, for midi controllers, this leaves us with the PMC-10 and maybe the >Rocktron All Access, although the Access is about the same price as an >EDP... yes, if you are only thinking of midi footpedal controllers. But there are plenty of other types of controllers. Keyboard controllers, drum controllers, sampler/drum machine boxes, table top studio fader boxes, etc. Many options, unless you are a guitarist who wears big boots and doesn't have a hand free. >I will say- I used the PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was weird- >there was about a 100ms delay from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP >changed its state. Are you talking about the Yamaha MFC-10 midi pedal? That has a known latency problem like you describe. But the old digitech PMC-10 definitely does not have any latency issue. After all, Andre LaFosse uses the Digitech PMC-10 for all his supa-fast pedal pushing. No way he could do that without a responsive pedal. >I just use the EDP controller for the EDP, and the FCB1010 for everything >else- they work pretty well together. That is another good approach to this. You can use midi control and the Echoplex pedal together just fine. So you could have the FCB1010 set up to control the two Echoplexes together in stereo, and then have the pedal plugged into the slave Echoplex to control it independently. You could probably even come up with some sort of "midi switch" that disconnects the midi connection between them. So with the midi connected, the FCB controls them both in stereo, and the pedal can independently address the slave. If you disconnect the midi with the midi switch, the FCB could them be used to control the master EDP independently. You could switch between the options with a relatively simple solution. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 01:45:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F8063BED9; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4494B05E.8070205@biink.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:46:06 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9335@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <26ba8d120606171020nc7b2f70sbeb300e003e6c0df@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120606171020nc7b2f70sbeb300e003e6c0df@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1vIr3B.A.iND.UBLlEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: > I was stabbed in the left thumb by a nasty, drunken girlfriend over > four years ago and the sensation never returned to parts of it. On > the wind instrument (my primary instrument), that thumb does the > octave key, but to my great pleasure, it turns out that muscle memory > alone works perfectly there. And of course it doesn't interfere with > stringed instruments at all. But it bugs me every time I try to play > the piano. > > Hmm, acupuncture, you say? I remember her. She could leap on and off a three foot stage in three inch platforms. Scary. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 03:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A0CE3BED3; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=emqpuu7BnA713UFh3AD8rQewdQ0fPIYovYUr7omUZNPWANYAuJUGL1P7q8ARwdLyNIkffAFvOZTyf69Xa0VxcdSqZ8v8thmzPQnv48ICrN8A8/DN4Idt3+lCBNaecrp1EyHC/B1hRdQpiTRgSFiXEsO/PIVLJstJbTWhOvFE1YQ= Message-ID: <913728d60606172006k487fb9f4ib94dc9ea6039187d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:06:02 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: EH stereo memory man! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopers! well, i have my electro-harmonix Stereo Memory Man for sale, its an analog delay/chorus for those of you that don't know :) anyways, i got this out of a trade, the power cord was broken somewhere, so i bought a new power cord, and it all works :) The box is well "relic'ed", its seen it's share of live gigging, but it all works very well :) like i said with my jamman, i won't fill up the server with pics, but i have them ready, so feel free to drop me an email if you want to see them :) I am asking 140 shipped in the US :) Thanks for reading :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 10:22:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088413BED6; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m/l+1HYSYf6AYwBvB/yBxpps7KnsRQfWtJOqLIBZ2QqoFY5Q3wPOrW+T7fQjc0e2+DYUNYZwA2FfdFP964MdCJEnXULHI4vKnHmgNeUk6RwhkhXdjtjq+fFbvejsMvcakc48nPAZKodfCB9P8mxork/2ouuJkV+D9h4xlCsYt1Q= ; Message-ID: <20060618102235.32211.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Ganglion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45f0554107b50c6410dc3273e4e6927e@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanx for the advice man,i heard this before as well but i will wait for a few more alternatives;-) Luis --- nico spahni wrote: > I once followed the advice I had found in an old > guide to self-care and > home medicines. The advice was to hit the ganglion > with a rubber hammer > or something similar. It hurt like hell but it went > away. > > Good luck (and get some painkillers before you swing > the hammer :-) > > Nico > > P.S. No liability assumed in use of this > information! > > > > Am 16.06.2006 um 17:18 schrieb Kevin: > > > At 12:11 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote: > >> I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring > >> tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing > >> guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a > >> finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i > should > >> let them operate it because there arent any > guarantees > >> of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve > numbing > >> the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and > >> depressing being left handed... > > > > I'm not a doctor so you'd be a fool to follow my > advice but... > > > > I have had ganglions on the back of my hand in the > past when my > > technique wasn't good. The best advice I got was > to rest the area > > until my body repaired the synovial sheath shrank > the ganglion. I > > also worked on my technique--I was using too much > force and bending my > > wrist when I played so I played with a wrist brace > for awhile to > > unlearn bad habits. > > > > If you cut (or pop) the synovial sheath, you > weaken it. So yeah, your > > chances of getting another ganglion increase. > > > > Best wishes, > > Kevin > > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 10:45:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EECB3BED8; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:45:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c692c4$56ce16f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <001e01c68c13$4903f060$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:45:53 +0000 (UTC) http://nosuch.biz/whatsup/photos > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Samstag, 10. Juni 2006 00:23 > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Embarassing Pictures from Early History > > > I know you have 'em.........................I took the > plunge...............you can too!!!! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 14:12:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D88063BED8; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=V7XzBCaqtAsyW0xDLUld6Mm3FKq79w3PC51g9gzYA895gAIa0tp6N7x7WjfHsXyDQyj/tiKT4uDZRwFap8+CvVXuqKzfCC7rqn58kvNofia4T80TEkfVpVP/lt/V0z0YsYlFr4T73eYm0ffB3M/RgppfC/gC6LHLTB4Wx0nllTk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:12:28 -0700 From: "I P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jesusonic software Looper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_75121_17439233.1150639948556" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:12:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_75121_17439233.1150639948556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone checked out the Jesusonic FX plugin? It's good a real-time looper just like the Line6 Delay, all in software. With a little development this thing could be everyone's dream looper. Right now it does unlimited looped with editing of start/end times, varispeed (including reverse), trigger start and loop volume. Maybe in the future we could see undo features added as well as multitrack capabilities. The possibilities are endless. Check it out: jesusonic.com ------=_Part_75121_17439233.1150639948556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone checked out the Jesusonic FX plugin?  It's good a real-time looper just like the Line6 Delay, all in software.  With a little development this thing could be everyone's dream looper.

Right now it does unlimited looped with editing of start/end times, varispeed (including reverse), trigger start and loop volume.

Maybe in the future we could see undo features added as well as multitrack capabilities.  The possibilities are endless.  Check it out:

jesusonic.com
------=_Part_75121_17439233.1150639948556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 14:46:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9593BEDA; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:46:27 -0400 From: Clint Goss Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20060617164243.0e0723d0@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001501c692e5$faccce10$6501a8c0@Saturn> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcaSahmUh0WDCI6UTTmqgDEteJkYcAAcxL4A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all for your input on this subject! Claude's input using SysEx messages was a tad depressing ... The FCB1010 can't pull this off and apparantly Plex's can hiccup acoustically during SysEx processing (their admission/apology, in the manual). There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or MIDI channels and sending two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when working in stereo) would be compromised. I sense that the Plex designers put a lot of effort into the stereo synch issue ... brother synch and intelligent midi piping and all that. Simply sending two MIDI messages might degrade that stereo synch in comparison with brother sync. And then there's the issue that the FCB 1010 is not up to the task. Hmmm. Been using it for a year to control two Plexes and a PCM81. Reprogrammed it several times and used it live dozens of times over the last year. In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the panel buttons' thing to split the two channels so they played two different parts of an ostinato and then reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic effect, crappy psychological effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a beat, but going over to the panel was disorienting and took me way out of the music for like 30 seconds. Now I see that the FCB1010 cannot send multiple notes on a single tap. Dandy. > PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was weird- there was about a 100ms delay > from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP changed its state. Yikes! 1/10'th second? That is disqualifying. - Clint Goss Email: clint@goss.com Web: www.goss.com -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup At 02:53 PM 6/17/2006, hazard factor wrote: > This is true, although with the hacked firmware, it has allowed for >some improvement. There apparently isn't enough memory for different >channels per preset, or releasepedal messages, although for probably a >few pennies more they could have maybe used a little bit more memory. if people are going to the trouble of hacking the firmware, why not change out the memory also and increase the memory size? Seems like it would be a pretty simple hardware mod, unless the problem is the cpu address range is already filled up. >So, for midi controllers, this leaves us with the PMC-10 and maybe the >Rocktron All Access, although the Access is about the same price as an >EDP... yes, if you are only thinking of midi footpedal controllers. But there are plenty of other types of controllers. Keyboard controllers, drum controllers, sampler/drum machine boxes, table top studio fader boxes, etc. Many options, unless you are a guitarist who wears big boots and doesn't have a hand free. >I will say- I used the PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was >weird- there was about a 100ms delay from when I pressed the pedal to >when the EDP changed its state. Are you talking about the Yamaha MFC-10 midi pedal? That has a known latency problem like you describe. But the old digitech PMC-10 definitely does not have any latency issue. After all, Andre LaFosse uses the Digitech PMC-10 for all his supa-fast pedal pushing. No way he could do that without a responsive pedal. >I just use the EDP controller for the EDP, and the FCB1010 for >everything >else- they work pretty well together. That is another good approach to this. You can use midi control and the Echoplex pedal together just fine. So you could have the FCB1010 set up to control the two Echoplexes together in stereo, and then have the pedal plugged into the slave Echoplex to control it independently. You could probably even come up with some sort of "midi switch" that disconnects the midi connection between them. So with the midi connected, the FCB controls them both in stereo, and the pedal can independently address the slave. If you disconnect the midi with the midi switch, the FCB could them be used to control the master EDP independently. You could switch between the options with a relatively simple solution. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 15:44:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD23C3BEDF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c692ee$0fe0f2b0$b3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, LexiconFX@yahoogroups.com Subject: LXP-1, LXP-5, and MidiQuest Software on eBay Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:35:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:44:21 +0000 (UTC) In case anyone is interested, I'm selling my Lexicon LXP-1, LXP-5, and MIDIQuest programming software on eBay with a Buy Now for $200 US. http://tinyurl.com/f42ft ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 17:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 719A43BED8; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:01:43 EDT Subject: mackie srm 450's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_389.5874d23.31c6e0f7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_0inXC.A.EOB.6bYlEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:01:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_389.5874d23.31c6e0f7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i may have to sell my mackie srm 450's with stands and 30'cables.....used out of studio about three times, excellent condition.....what would be a fair price?.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_389.5874d23.31c6e0f7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i may have to sell my mackie srm 450's=20= with stands and 30'cables.....used out of studio about three times, excellen= t condition.....what would be a fair price?.....michael



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 18:59:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44BE73BED3; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c69309$412ec250$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> Subject: Oh, Canada Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:58:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C692E7.B9E65AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:59:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C692E7.B9E65AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to = enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). = Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need a = birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive? Regards, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C692E7.B9E65AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C692E7.B9E65AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 19:10:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C1A3BEDD; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005001c69309$412ec250$d2e14744@BlackDell> References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> <005001c69309$412ec250$d2e14744@BlackDell> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:10:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Oh, Canada Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:10:28 +0000 (UTC) At 2:58 PM -0400 6/18/06, Paul wrote: >Hi: > >Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? > >I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to >enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). >Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one >need a birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive? We drove from Seattle to Vancouver in March. My understanding is that they are merely tightening up on the requirements a little bit, but you don't need all 3 documents. You can get by with *either* a passport (simplest solution, and what we used) *or* driver's license & birth certificate. In the past, you could get across with merely a driver's license, but this was always a little dicey based on the "interpretation" of the agent at the border. It was also worse for Canadians attempting to cross into the US on a DL, than Americans crossing into Canada (mostly because many of the guys on the American side are, erm, arseholes -- at least in the airports). Also, this was a proposed change and it may or may not have gone into effect yet. Check http://travel.state.gov and they should give you the definitive answer. --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 19:37:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB5343BED6; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,147,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="406209071:sNHT27938402" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-553578077 Message-Id: <49a09691f3d1d2388c99aefcf8ad5410@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: mackie srm 450's Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:37:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Nemoguitt@aol.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:37:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-553578077 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey there Michael! I haven't seen you post in a while. How is my favorite LD guitarist doing these days? (Yep, that's you) Seems like a lot of folks are selling off gear on the list these days. What brings on the gear "fire sale" for you? I sincerely hope you're not giving up gigging. Your devoted fan, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 18, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i may have to sell my mackie srm 450's with stands and =20 > 30'cables.....used out of studio about three times, excellent =20 > condition.....what would be a fair price?.....michael > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 PS) We need t work on that recipe book idea. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-2-553578077 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey there Michael! I haven't seen you post in a while. How is my favorite LD guitarist doing these days? (Yep, that's you) Seems like a lot of folks are selling off gear on the list these days. What brings on the gear "fire sale" for you? I sincerely hope you're not giving up gigging. Your devoted fan, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 18, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: Genevai may have to sell my mackie srm 450's with stands and 30'cables.....used out of studio about three times, excellent condition.....what would be a fair price?.....michael Geneva = www.ct-collective.com Geneva http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ Geneva http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 PS) We need t work on that recipe book idea. 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-2-553578077-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 20:19:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E29023BED3; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1556.68.106.68.50.1150661983.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <49a09691f3d1d2388c99aefcf8ad5410@charter.net> References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> <49a09691f3d1d2388c99aefcf8ad5410@charter.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:19:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: In trouble now... From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Well, I won an auction for an almost new FBC1010 this morning for under 120 USD after shipping. Woohoo! I had the cash saved up, and almost ordered a brand new one about a week ago, but at my wife's request, I put off ordering for a few days "just in case something comes up." When I saw this one going so cheap, it seemed that her better judgment had paid off in the form of cash. But as fate would have it, no sooner had I committed the cash elsewhere than a tire on my car decided to explode. We have a small emergency fund for things like this, so we're OK, but that's not going to stop the inevitable "I told you so" coming my way as soon as she gets off of work. And with a baby on the way, it's going to sting... I've never felt simultaneous excited anticipation and dread over the purchase of gear before... woohoo! --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 20:40:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E1233BEDB; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> <005001c69309$412ec250$d2e14744@BlackDell> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-557332724 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Oh, Canada Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:40:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:40:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-557332724 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Went back and forth a week ago with only a passport. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-Jun-06, at 12:10 PM, mech wrote: > At 2:58 PM -0400 6/18/06, Paul wrote: >> Hi: >> >> Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? >> >> I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to >> enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). >> Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need >> a birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive? > > We drove from Seattle to Vancouver in March. My understanding is that > they are merely tightening up on the requirements a little bit, but > you don't need all 3 documents. You can get by with *either* a > passport (simplest solution, and what we used) *or* driver's license & > birth certificate. > > In the past, you could get across with merely a driver's license, but > this was always a little dicey based on the "interpretation" of the > agent at the border. It was also worse for Canadians attempting to > cross into the US on a DL, than Americans crossing into Canada (mostly > because many of the guys on the American side are, erm, arseholes -- > at least in the airports). Also, this was a proposed change and it > may or may not have gone into effect yet. Check > http://travel.state.gov and they should give you the definitive > answer. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Snakes on a Plane..." > --Apple-Mail-3-557332724 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Went back and forth a week ago with only a passport. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 18-Jun-06, at 12:10 PM, mech wrote: At 2:58 PM -0400 6/18/06, Paul wrote: Hi: Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need a birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive? We drove from Seattle to Vancouver in March. My understanding is that they are merely tightening up on the requirements a little bit, but you don't need all 3 documents. You can get by with *either* a passport (simplest solution, and what we used) *or* driver's license & birth certificate. In the past, you could get across with merely a driver's license, but this was always a little dicey based on the "interpretation" of the agent at the border. It was also worse for Canadians attempting to cross into the US on a DL, than Americans crossing into Canada (mostly because many of the guys on the American side are, erm, arseholes -- at least in the airports). Also, this was a proposed change and it may or may not have gone into effect yet. Check http://travel.state.gov and they should give you the definitive answer. --m. -- _______ "Snakes on a Plane..." --Apple-Mail-3-557332724-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 20:41:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FF0E3BEE4; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ABF6LhlZ2Jq7pbnTZQEJTxaYySeuhFwjs0Xe4Vf49hAz6TkmPHHmQd31fQJ8McHP9xr5krqp8tC6uIV5j9E9iZH75db55UsC+z0+w82o7AMpDFYtR2/8eEJRDpUwSJf0+DyT60x/4gZ37GVCm+gu2oW7w9GJx3IUtyV/OJLbFIo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0606181340m60d86498m2fcc71c703fe4c3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:40:59 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In trouble now... In-Reply-To: <1556.68.106.68.50.1150661983.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> <49a09691f3d1d2388c99aefcf8ad5410@charter.net> <1556.68.106.68.50.1150661983.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4Z1dxC.A.vSE.dpblEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Don't know if this will help--but there isn't much depreciation on the purchase of a used item on ebay. You could reassure your wife that if worse comes to worse, you can sell it for pretty much what you paid for it. (If you value your relationship, you probably shouldn't point out that this isn't true for a lot of the stuff that she buys. . .) Anyway, congratulations! I'm very happy with mine. On 6/18/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Well, I won an auction for an almost new FBC1010 this morning for under > 120 USD after shipping. Woohoo! I had the cash saved up, and almost > ordered a brand new one about a week ago, but at my wife's request, I put > off ordering for a few days "just in case something comes up." When I saw > this one going so cheap, it seemed that her better judgment had paid off > in the form of cash. But as fate would have it, no sooner had I committed > the cash elsewhere than a tire on my car decided to explode. We have a > small emergency fund for things like this, so we're OK, but that's not > going to stop the inevitable "I told you so" coming my way as soon as she > gets off of work. And with a baby on the way, it's going to sting... > > I've never felt simultaneous excited anticipation and dread over the > purchase of gear before... woohoo! > > --Josh > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 21:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB8833BEDE; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <1556.68.106.68.50.1150661983.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> <49a09691f3d1d2388c99aefcf8ad5410@charter.net> <1556.68.106.68.50.1150661983.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <88C8613E-881C-4F26-A2A7-3AF1DD41550D@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: In trouble now... Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:02:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:06:06 +0000 (UTC) We have a > small emergency fund for things like this, so we're OK, but that's not > going to stop the inevitable "I told you so" coming my way as soon > as she > gets off of work. And with a baby on the way, it's going to sting... > > I've never felt simultaneous excited anticipation and dread over the > purchase of gear before... woohoo! Roughly $120? Tell her you know someone online who had 360x as much gear debt. It'll make her feel much, much better about your situation. And, no, I'm not single. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 21:57:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D9113BEDA; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KVjAIboER30uy5YsZ4albzXlEQVP0+C52kL580lmGf8W6qFcRGjEVf5Yv01y88bSIAQ//U6ltBzgAdsP2VFuMG3wzfqlTo+qqv8dC2sTd4w9fAoHkHwWS++Kjgwaq0BSKjltnw2EPBrP86G+KhI3FfzbGNw72/SdttDMD/X37Wk= ; Message-ID: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:57:31 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: beatsync filters To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1520231459-1150667851=:46845" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:57:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1520231459-1150667851=:46845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig. Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ? Rune f www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1520231459-1150667851=:46845 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig.
Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ?
 
Rune f


www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1520231459-1150667851=:46845-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 22:19:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ADD53BEDB; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VkpjssdGfcqZVkp+Y4hON1WQOGOSlk1nTndbiLDj1IpQZnu+xIxMCBBzCKjsqmOZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5534667.1150669191314.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:19:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: beatsync filters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94056c0f05f3b0f437d800e99c6c13b9a27350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:19:52 +0000 (UTC)
Hejda Rune,
 
The Adrenalinn II is dead simple to use and sounds pretty good out of the box. Not a whole lot of programming needed if you want something fairly simple. On the other hand, if you want to go deep with it and really learn the box, it doesn't seem terribly complicated. I haven't necessarily dug deep into it and have been able to apply it pretty well. There are all kinds of applications available, including separate sends for drum machines and guitar signal, the ability to send the drum machine through the filters, etc.. Another real advantage, the manual is written in reasonably clear, colloquial English that is not some odd-ball translation like Roland manuals tend to be. The amp simulations are, to my ears and IMO clearer and less convoluted to get to than the POD or some of Roland's COSM Modelers. Just simple, evocative models.
 
Don't have any other experience with the other units mentioned.
 
Todd Howell


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From: rune fagereng
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To: "loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com"
Subject: beatsync filters

Hi !
 
I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig.
Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ?
 
Rune f


www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 22:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDB393BEE0; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SyA2Hen8aunzuFGBC6OobSGrlQRQYZTIShRZQz3tOp+dodt681W2FO+5GYkXVvb8MG3ln/xAHbuqrmNg90apsq+vptCzMYUccfubEv/bBKnqZ7jEYxm9q6kNy45TuAfM3YnqNSLjdiQd6VNa/gu/ZYpoRTMlTsto24gu9uNOmZs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: beatsync filters Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:31:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <5Zhyt.A.15B.7QdlEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:31:23 +0000 (UTC) On 18 jun 2006, at 23.57, rune fagereng wrote: > I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig. > Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, > or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ? Hi Rune! I have an Akai MFC 42, that I think sounds great! http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM01/Content/Akai/PR/MFC42.html Here's an online clip where I play guitar though it, adding a subtle beat synced slow phasing effect: http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/loopersdelight-15.m3u This second example is not beat synced. Here I play it with my foot, like a wha pedal controlled from one of the FCB1010 MIDI expression pedals: http://www.looproom.com/audio/ocl/Organisational_Archeology_clip.mp3 Another cool trick with an FCB and the AKai filter-bank is to assign one expression pedal to the tempo beat divisor. Then you can move your foot to sweep through all counter-rhythms from a one bar frequency to 64ths something. I don't have any recording online of that, but I guess you can imagine the sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 18 23:42:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95D23BED9; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents Rob Piilonen, Joshua van Tassel, Todd Pearson aka DJ Syklik and Lyle Crilly Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:44:58 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c69331$3588dbc0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:42:46 +0000 (UTC) AMBiENT PiNG RADiO iS NOW JUST A CLiCK AWAY @: http://www.ambientpingradio.com Since it's inception in 1999, the mission of THE AMBiENT PiNG has been to introduce new music, new artists and new ideas to the community. Hundreds of artists have graced the PiNG stage over the years with wonderful live performances which have excited and inspired our imaginations. As the 7th anniversary of the PiNG approaches, we're thrilled to be able to share that excitement and inspiration with even more of you via AMBiENT PiNG RADiO! An online radio station at Live365 that captures the essence of THE AMBiENT PiNG by featuring a mix of ambient, soundscape, electronic, trip hop, dream pop, drone and chill artists from both our local and global communities. Hear artists that have performed at the PiNG as well as artists whose work has influenced and delighted us over the years. AMBiENT PiNG RADiO is a regularly updated collection of music that reflects the spirit and sound of the PiNG. You'll hear music by Robert Rich, dreamSTATE, mara's torment, Massive Attack, cheryl o, Underworld, Numina, URM, Aidan Baker, Steve Roach and much more, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. TUNE iN + PLUG iNTO AMBiENT PiNG RADiO NOW @ http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com presents AMBiENT PiNG TUESDAYS @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (NW corner, upstairs across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday June 20th . Rob Piilonen, Joshua van Tassel, Todd Pearson aka DJ Syklik and Lyle Crilly Rob, Joshua, Todd and Lyle will be playing an assortment of dreamy improvised pieces, with a strong focus on using potentially rigid instruments in a free flowing and creative manner and having the flute fit in as a sometimes melodic, sometimes electronic/drone based addition. Rob Piilonen: Flute and Effects http://www.myspace.com/robstunes Josh van Tassel: Sampler and percussion http://www.myspace.com/joshuavt Todd Pearson aka DJ Syklik: Turntables Lyle Crilly: Laptop . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . the circle is not round by ARC We continue our preview of next week's PiNG performance by Pholde and ARC with NOiNO on June 27th by playing this ARC CD from 2005. http://www.pingthings.com/ARCcircle.htm Between Sets CD . Is This Home by Morgan Doctor Visit http://www.pingthings.com/MORGANDOCTOR.htm to find out more about this week's between set CD and tune in to ping things radio every Sun & Wed from 9pm to 12 midnight EST at http://www.ambientpingradio.com to hear music from this and other discs in the ping things catalogue. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday June 27th . PHOLDE and ARC with NOiNO PHOLDE (Alan Bloor) and ARC (Aidan Baker, Rich Baker and Chris Kukiel) return to the PiNG to interface and kick out the jams with NOiNO (James Bailey, Matthew Poulakakis and Jamie Todd). Up first, PHOLDE strokes, bows and caresses his metal sculptures into an amorphous soundscape to be welded with the sonic shiftings of the NOiNO aggregate into an organic, electronic, metallic, sonorous tapestry. http://www.pingthings.com/ALANBLOOR.htm Next up, ARC's guitar drones and pulse driven drums and percussion will be augmented with the found, sampled, synthetic sounds and rhythmic machinery of NOiNO in an all out jam to celebrate improvisational bands that were born out of desire and necessity on the PiNG stage. http://www.pingthings.com/ARCferal.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Monday June 19th . The Music Gallery'S 30th Anniversary Fundraiser + Season Finale Featuring Eve Egoyan & Anne Bourne, Ccmc, Tasa, Wyrd Visions, Peter Lutek & Tom Richards, Castlemusic The Music Gallery closes it's 30th anniversary season with a summertime fundraiser celebrating our humble yet auspicious origins and our renewed vision for the future. The event will feature musicians representing a cross-section of the Gallery's history, performing cabaret-style in various locations throughout our space at St. George the Martyr Church, including: Eve Egoyan & Anne Bourne (acclaimed pianist & cellist in rare duo performance) . CCMC (improv collective and Music Gallery founders; featuring world-renowned artists John Oswald, Michael Snow and Paul Dutton) . Tasa (Ravi Naimpally's tabla- jazz fusionists) . Wyrd Visions (neo-psychedelic folk artist performs in the Fellowship Room) . Peter Lutek & Tom Richards (sax & trombone duo performing in the courtyard) . Castlemusic (Jennifer Castle plays her avant-country songs in the courtyard) 7PM . The Music Gallery (197 John St.) Tickets: $30 regular/$25 member/$15 student * Monday June 19th . CRANK STURGEON, Brian Ruryk, Charles Balls and the Cincinatti Single-File and Jacob Horwood. CRANK STURGEON's interests as of late are removing most if not all of his clothing, fastening a cardboard or plastic sturgeon headdress to himself (with various outgrowths of tubing and springs that may or may not serve a purpose) and manufacturing zany bouts of aural dislocation out of a series of cheap electronics and homemade gadgetry props. BRIAN RURYK is an ex-folley editor taking risks with his neighbourhood recycling! 23 Fanta bottles, 14 ravioli & artichoke cans and 156 pieces of shelving & office discard succumb to natural forces (ie. gravity, deflection and acoustic genocide) all set to "bluegrass" guitar playing and slippery tape stop and start. since his recent return to live performance the Tide company have issued caution that their containers, once emptied, are to be recycled - not used as footballs or other outlets of leisure... CHARLES BALLS AND THE CINCINATTI SINGLE-FILE is andrew of gfreflex (sampler, slide whistle, mixer), michelangelo of odradek (clarinet) and zoe of master (reed) playing to a prerecorded reel. expect the evocation of archie shepp accumulating on the saran of concrete bemusement. Jacob Horwood aka Fudge Whoregagger plays in gfreflex as well and likes to use reel to reel, modified electronics and sampler. second solo performance offers to be the awkward moisture you so often seep in the seat of your denim dreams. excessive body-odour makes its appearance as fidgety psedo-collage fiesta! 9pm . Neutral (349-A College Street, entrance off of Augusta) . $5 * Wednesday June 21st . Creative Improv with: Josh van Tassel: percussion and sampler . Devon Henderson: bass Christine Bougie: guitar . Rob Piilonen: flute and effects The Tranzac (292 Brunswick Ave.) . PWYC * Thursday June 22nd . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East * Thursday June 22nd . AIMT Presents in association with Arraymusic and the NOW Lounge An INTERFACE SERIES with Wilbert Dejoode . dejoode/ martin/ shaw [wilbert dejoode (bass) jean martin (drums) evan shaw (alto saxophone)] . dejoode/ driver/ piilonen/ posgate [wilbert dejoode (bass) ryan driver (analog synth) rob piilonen (flutes) tim posgate (guitar) 9pm . the NOW lounge (189 church street) pwyc $15 suggested * Friday June 23rd . AIMT Presents in association with Arraymusic and the NOW Lounge An INTERFACE SERIES with Wilbert Dejoode . company night: [wilbert dejoode (bass) alison cameron (amplified objects) paul dutton (voice) michel delage (drums) michael keith (guitar) john wilson (guitar)] 9pm . the arraymusic studio (60 atlantic ave, suite 218) . $15 * Friday June 23rd . Eric Stach presents THE SCREAM a festival of New Music, Noise/Sound IMPROVISATION a 10 week Friday Night Series May 5th to July 7th Musicians are welcome to drop by and play Place: 105 Clarence Street, London, Ontario, between Hill and South, west of Wellington. 9:30pm -1:00 am Every FRIDAY NIGHT no cover byob * Saturday June 24th . AIMT Presents in association with Arraymusic and the NOW Lounge An INTERFACE SERIES with Wilbert Dejoode . ronda rindone's QUORUM + wilbert dejoode [wilbert dejoode (bass) tilman lewis (cello) ronda rindone (clarinets) joe sorbara (percussion)] . dan pencer quartet [thom gill (guitar) bram gielen (bass) dan pencer (saxophones) matt pencer (drums)] . aldcroft/ dejoode/ campbell/ valdivia [ken aldcroft (guitar) wilbert dejoode (bass) rod campbell (trumpet) brandon valdivia (drums)] 9pm . the arraymusic studio (60 atlantic ave, suite 218) . $15 * Saturday June 24th . Emerge & RootMeanSquare present Broken Social Scene and Bloc Party with Feist, J. Mascis, Raising The Fawn and More 1 PM . Olympic Island, Toronto . $44.50 (plus $6.00 ferry fee) * Saturday June 24th . Nine Inch Nails with Bauhaus and Peaches 7:00 PM . Molson Amphitheatre, Ontario Place, Toronto $29.50-$59.50 advance at Ticketmaster - - all ages * Sunday June 25th . The NOW Series presented by AIMToronto and the NOW Lounge 2:00- Workshop - TBA 4:00- Newman / Wilson w/ paul newman- saxophone, john wilson- guitar 5:00- Duo Duo w/ rob piilonen - flute, mitch yolevsky - clarinet 6:00- TBA 4-7pm . The NOW Lounge 189 Church St. . $6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 00:36:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8DDE3BEDB; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gGqf6wzlBNgErRIW/HgWRirqUqtpJCKk8Z2GZlWF72zALOgmEdcrMiwEA+JgqLZzCDcuAGVg82/y1Q4pl1eBBQp4JSW3cgyp/GG53HHsl31lnaCBu7V3n/rFlACp1qqpbdkr64hqK+SSykthZPVujjl6b3BZ4TIrY0z9Oe7VfhE= ; Message-ID: <20060619003619.51737.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:36:19 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Oh, Canada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005001c69309$412ec250$d2e14744@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-407768991-1150677379=:43767" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:36:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-407768991-1150677379=:43767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Being a Canadian, I've only lately crossed the border with birth cert. and d.l. I'd bring my passport when I had a valid one. The wife and I are heading to SW Michingan in about two weeks and will bring only those two pieces of i.d. Of course, this will the time we draw the 'cavity search' card... Never had any problems. I always thought it was more important to give the guard the short "yes, sire/ma'am" or "no, sir/ma'am" answers. ted h. Paul wrote: Hi: Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need a birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive? Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! --0-407768991-1150677379=:43767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Being a Canadian, I've only lately crossed the border with birth cert. and d.l.  I'd bring my passport when I had a valid one. 
 
The wife and I are heading to SW Michingan in about two weeks and will bring only those two pieces of i.d. Of course, this will the time we draw the 'cavity search' card...
 
Never had any problems.  I always thought it was more important to give the guard the short "yes, sire/ma'am" or "no, sir/ma'am" answers.
 
 
ted h.

Paul <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
Hi:
 
Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently?
 
I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need a birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive?
 
Regards, Paul
 

Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! --0-407768991-1150677379=:43767-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 01:21:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A115E3BEDC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2101.68.106.68.50.1150680135.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0606181340m60d86498m2fcc71c703fe4c3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> <49a09691f3d1d2388c99aefcf8ad5410@charter.net> <1556.68.106.68.50.1150661983.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <588ce11d0606181340m60d86498m2fcc71c703fe4c3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:22:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: In trouble now... From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Ha! Well, fortunately for me she was in a great mood when I broke the news to her this evening, and tires are on sale at Pep Boys, so I'm not in too much trouble. With a little luck, I'll be looping in a matter of days! --Josh > Don't know if this will help--but there isn't much depreciation on the > purchase of a used item on ebay. You could reassure your wife that if > worse comes to worse, you can sell it for pretty much what you paid > for it. (If you value your relationship, you probably shouldn't point > out that this isn't true for a lot of the stuff that she buys. . .) > > Anyway, congratulations! I'm very happy with mine. > > On 6/18/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: >> Well, I won an auction for an almost new FBC1010 this morning for under >> 120 USD after shipping. Woohoo! I had the cash saved up, and almost >> ordered a brand new one about a week ago, but at my wife's request, I >> put >> off ordering for a few days "just in case something comes up." When I >> saw >> this one going so cheap, it seemed that her better judgment had paid off >> in the form of cash. But as fate would have it, no sooner had I >> committed >> the cash elsewhere than a tire on my car decided to explode. We have a >> small emergency fund for things like this, so we're OK, but that's not >> going to stop the inevitable "I told you so" coming my way as soon as >> she >> gets off of work. And with a baby on the way, it's going to sting... >> >> I've never felt simultaneous excited anticipation and dread over the >> purchase of gear before... woohoo! >> >> --Josh >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 01:23:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1B683BEDB; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2105.68.106.68.50.1150680239.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <88C8613E-881C-4F26-A2A7-3AF1DD41550D@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <389.5874d23.31c6e0f7@aol.com> <49a09691f3d1d2388c99aefcf8ad5410@charter.net> <1556.68.106.68.50.1150661983.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <88C8613E-881C-4F26-A2A7-3AF1DD41550D@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:23:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: In trouble now... From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:23:39 +0000 (UTC) ha! It would make her feel better if this was the first time I had stupidly spent "our" money without asking. Last time however, it was several grand in studio equipment that I purchased just before we got married (on the credit card, no less), and I didn't feel bad about it at all. In retrospect, that wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done. --Josh > We have a >> small emergency fund for things like this, so we're OK, but that's not >> going to stop the inevitable "I told you so" coming my way as soon >> as she >> gets off of work. And with a baby on the way, it's going to sting... >> >> I've never felt simultaneous excited anticipation and dread over the >> purchase of gear before... woohoo! > > Roughly $120? Tell her you know someone online who had 360x as much > gear debt. It'll make her feel much, much better about your > situation. And, no, I'm not single. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 01:28:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F9FD3BED6; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mLe5yRMB8b72+P1KDntQfiPc8i4hZq2JPlOOYW+T31qnDKA49dEct5FF2INBEmVH; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006611913135800@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hands (was Way OT: EM fingers! ) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:31:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e10c1d2040f0c523467f7bc3b7bd8cd0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:28:34 +0000 (UTC) You're absolutely right that posture can help or hurt in ways that most folks can't imagine. As for your spelling question, "callous" is an adjective, whereas "callus," the noun, is that dead skin that lets us play guitar ;-) Regarding the ganglion, a very talented friend of mine went to a Chinese doctor who simply told him to smash it with a book. I'm not sure that I could be so brave, but my friend says it works for him. BTW, when we change subject matter, let's either start a new e-mail or change the Subject line. Gawd knows how many interesting letters I've missed because the Subject line said something like "Re: EDP creating clouds of sooty black smoke again" and the words within actually discussed some great musician or a recently uncovered lost recording etc etc. or some new affordable looping tool.) Wishing You Happy Hands, Tim www.mungenast.com www.myspace.com/timmungenast > [Original Message] > From: Richard Sales > To: > Date: 6/17/2006 1:10:58 PM > Subject: Re: Way OT: EM fingers! > > Leo Kottke is a fun person to investigate concerning hand issues. I > think he's been through it all and had to stop playing for a while > because of it. The latest I've read from him he seems to be saying > that he's amplified his acoustic guitar and is playing with a much more > gentle touch, no fingernails, no fingerpicks etc. So not picking so > hard with the right hand helps a lot. Of course, you don't get the big > mojo when you play softer, which is kind of a bomb. > > I pick very hard with my right hand with medium strings - acoustic, > finger style mostly. > > I've noticed for myself that my posture when I play has a huge impact > on my hands. My hands have to be in just the right place, with correct > wrist angles, or my fingers go to sleep. This started when I was > touring with Shree Maa (I was playing acoustic 12 string LOUD) and we > would play some songs, or puja songs, that would last an hour or two > non stop. The strings started to feel like razor blades cutting > through my thick callouses (SP?). So now, when I sit and play, I sit > classical style. Really helps a lot. When I get lazy and sit back on > the couch and play my hands go haywire after just a few minutes of > playing - an instant reminder. But if I sit right, I can play for > hours. > > Not sure if this has any impact on the ganglion thing. But if you > practice more than an hour a day, paying close attention to your hands, > posture etc - especially when you've accumulated decades of playing, is > critical. > > Another thing my chiropractor told me was that I shouldn't look at my > guitar (my left hand) when I play. Apparently looking to the left - > especially if your right arm is raised (which it isn't if you're > sitting correctly), can cause neck and back issues. > > I bet rolfing (or deep muscle massage) would be good for stuff like > ganglions. You might check that out. It might loosen up some of the > muscles that are too tight. > > As many have said, I think I would try to avoid surgery as long as > possible. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 17-Jun-06, at 9:42 AM, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>I had one in my left hand, on the top, at the root of my 1st & 2nd > > fingers next to my wrist. Had it removed about 25 years ago. Do > > anything but surgery if you can, I still don't have 100% control of my > > pinky.<< > > > > ah, jeez.... I've got one in exactly the same place. left hand facing > > up, base of thumb between root of first & second finger, right on the > > seam of my wrist. what the hell are they? are there non-surgical > > options? this isn't a nuisance yet, but I've noticed my hand tires > > quicker.... > > > > my natural inclination is to spear it with something sharp..... but > > obviously I am fighting this impulse! > > > > duncan. > > > > > > > > *********************************************************************** > > **** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > > be privileged. 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The Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User remix contest is now officially "live" on http://andrew-duke.com and http://stratagem-musik.com and running until August 31, 2006. The best resulting remixes will be released on Stratagem Musik and great prizes are up for grabs including software (including a grand prize of a copy of Reaktor 5 kindly donated by Native Instruments), magazine subscriptions, books, CDs-ROMs, and CDs. Even if you decide not to enter the contest, there are 385 WAV samples (available as 24bit and 16bit) from my Consumer vs. User album (http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40) available for free download on http://andrew-duke.com as well as a full preview of the album's lead track. I do hope, though, that some of you on this list will enter the contest. And please spread the word to any loopers and musicians and producers and composers and sound designers you think might be interested in entering the contest and in playing with the samples. Thanks. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 07:24:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC243BEDB; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060618233544.0d771de8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:24:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup In-Reply-To: <001501c692e5$faccce10$6501a8c0@Saturn> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060617164243.0e0723d0@loopers-delight.com> <001501c692e5$faccce10$6501a8c0@Saturn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:24:06 +0000 (UTC) At 07:46 AM 6/18/2006, Clint Goss wrote: >Thank you all for your input on this subject! you're welcome! >Claude's input using SysEx messages was a tad depressing ... The FCB1010 can't >pull this off and apparantly Plex's can hiccup acoustically during SysEx >processing (their admission/apology, in the manual). As we say in the manual, this is only true for long sysex command streams sent to the Echoplex. For a simple sysex command (like one that edits a single parameter as Claude was discussing) there is no audible effect. >There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or MIDI channels and sending >two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when working in stereo) would be >compromised. No, there won't be any problem. We designed the Echoplex to support this type of use, and tested it to be sure it worked. >I sense that the Plex designers put a lot of effort into the stereo >synch issue ... brother synch and intelligent midi piping and all that. yes, that is true, we did! And part of the goal was to support exactly the flexibility you are looking for - the ability to switch between addressing two loops as stereo pairs or as independent loops, and deciding on the fly. >Simply >sending two MIDI messages might degrade that stereo synch in comparison with >brother sync. No, BrotherSync is always active whichever way you do this. The BrotherSync connection between the two units will lock them together at the sample level so they should stay in sync. It has nothing to do with midi channels, and you should keep BrotherSync connected for any of the strategies you are hearing about here. Controlling the stereo pair by sending a single command to both units on the same channel, or controlling them by sending two midi commands on two midi channels will work exactly the same. They will stay in sync the same way. >And then there's the issue that the FCB 1010 is not up to the task. Hmmm. Been >using it for a year to control two Plexes and a PCM81. Reprogrammed it several >times and used it live dozens of times over the last year. I hate to break the news to you guys yet again, but the FCB1010 is really not that great of a midi controller. It enjoys the advantage of being affordable, available, and a little better than other available pedals that utterly suck. But in the larger view of all midi pedals ever made, it is in the middle to slightly-above-average range. Definitely not at the top. >In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the panel buttons' thing to >split >the two channels so they played two different parts of an ostinato and then >reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic effect, crappy psychological >effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a beat, but going over to the >panel was disorienting and took me way out of the music for like 30 seconds. you might also try the suggested idea of just using the normal Echoplex pedal in conjunction with your Behringer midi pedal. That is an easy/cheap way to accomplish your goal of switching between stereo or independent loops on the fly. > > PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was weird- there was about a > 100ms delay > > from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP changed its state. > >Yikes! 1/10'th second? That is disqualifying. There are a lot of people using the PMC-10 with the echoplex and in other situations, including me. It is a highly regarded pedal. As I noted, this supposed delay is not the experience of the vast majority of pmc-10 users. The Digitech PMC-10 really is one of the best midi pedals ever. Sadly it has been out of production a long time, is hard to find, and at this stage in life may be getting a little shaky if not well taken care of. It is a sad situation, but users don't demand good midi pedals so no manufacturer puts effort into it. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 08:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442263BEDC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:39:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c6937b$da07c2c0$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060618233544.0d771de8@loopers-delight.com> Thread-Index: AcaTcVorGp8YTVvFQgCa/4eWBTaaEQACLEyw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Well, not really supposed, it was real, but as I said, it might have just been mine. In any case, they were made up until the early/mid 90s, so finding a functioning one with remote (nice, but not needed these days) will certainly be a fun quest. As far as no one demanding good midi pedals, I think it is a case of a lot of manufacturers putting out the lowest common denominator- the features most people would use- program change, CCs, and not much else on a limited number of different channels. Roland or Behringer's designers have never shown up publicly on any list I have ever been on asking what users need. We are lucky here that we can talk to many of the people who designed our tools, but that isn't the case for the makers of the current midi pedals. They usually match up their pedals to gear they are currently putting out, and make them very easy to use together, and they don't really care if it is used to control other things. If Behringer doesn't make anything that needs that kind of control, they aren't going to build the capability (or even care about that capability) in their pedals. Despite what Roland or Behringer or anyone who makes a generic 'dumb' midi pedal thinks, if you put the capability of the PMC-10 into an enclosure like the All Access (or even the current Behringer pedal, but with preset titles), sell them for a few hundred (not $800), you would probably sell a few thousand right away. The EDP can't be the only device that musicians want more foot control of. Dave Eichenberger www.hazardfactor.com > > The Digitech PMC-10 really is one of the best midi pedals > ever. Sadly it has been out of production a long time, is > hard to find, and at this stage in life may be getting a > little shaky if not well taken care of. It is a sad > situation, but users don't demand good midi pedals so no > manufacturer puts effort into it. > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 10:28:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461273BEDC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RmpETuPaWEWcIg8lBd5tuQ7ErT9SO8UsiQIBbsd3uL+cwfVPEZuS3TYUQnbRrHT7Jeuano2uXNec9V+wjfdbXYjfshWPOc5iK2mNN47hkqg38SXrcpsP6t4AhChWRr7DUxlY4zoB+ZkIgWOo+wKhkaJWTpByOJLkzxylxKMzb18= ; Message-ID: <20060619102803.30784.qmail@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060618233544.0d771de8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:28:05 +0000 (UTC) guys,shouldnt we be forwarding this mails to behringer? Luis --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 07:46 AM 6/18/2006, Clint Goss wrote: > >Thank you all for your input on this subject! > > you're welcome! > > >Claude's input using SysEx messages was a tad > depressing ... The FCB1010 can't > >pull this off and apparantly Plex's can hiccup > acoustically during SysEx > >processing (their admission/apology, in the > manual). > > As we say in the manual, this is only true for long > sysex command streams > sent to the Echoplex. For a simple sysex command > (like one that edits a > single parameter as Claude was discussing) there is > no audible effect. > > > >There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or > MIDI channels and sending > >two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when > working in stereo) would be > >compromised. > > No, there won't be any problem. We designed the > Echoplex to support this > type of use, and tested it to be sure it worked. > > >I sense that the Plex designers put a lot of effort > into the stereo > >synch issue ... brother synch and intelligent midi > piping and all that. > > yes, that is true, we did! > > And part of the goal was to support exactly the > flexibility you are looking > for - the ability to switch between addressing two > loops as stereo pairs or > as independent loops, and deciding on the fly. > > >Simply > >sending two MIDI messages might degrade that stereo > synch in comparison with > >brother sync. > > No, BrotherSync is always active whichever way you > do this. The BrotherSync > connection between the two units will lock them > together at the sample > level so they should stay in sync. It has nothing to > do with midi channels, > and you should keep BrotherSync connected for any of > the strategies you are > hearing about here. > > Controlling the stereo pair by sending a single > command to both units on > the same channel, or controlling them by sending two > midi commands on two > midi channels will work exactly the same. They will > stay in sync the same way. > > > >And then there's the issue that the FCB 1010 is not > up to the task. Hmmm. Been > >using it for a year to control two Plexes and a > PCM81. Reprogrammed it several > >times and used it live dozens of times over the > last year. > > I hate to break the news to you guys yet again, but > the FCB1010 is really > not that great of a midi controller. It enjoys the > advantage of being > affordable, available, and a little better than > other available pedals that > utterly suck. But in the larger view of all midi > pedals ever made, it is in > the middle to slightly-above-average range. > Definitely not at the top. > > > >In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the > panel buttons' thing to > >split > >the two channels so they played two different parts > of an ostinato and then > >reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic > effect, crappy psychological > >effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a > beat, but going over to the > >panel was disorienting and took me way out of the > music for like 30 seconds. > > you might also try the suggested idea of just using > the normal Echoplex > pedal in conjunction with your Behringer midi pedal. > That is an easy/cheap > way to accomplish your goal of switching between > stereo or independent > loops on the fly. > > > > > PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was > weird- there was about a > > 100ms delay > > > from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP > changed its state. > > > >Yikes! 1/10'th second? That is disqualifying. > > There are a lot of people using the PMC-10 with the > echoplex and in other > situations, including me. It is a highly regarded > pedal. As I noted, this > supposed delay is not the experience of the vast > majority of pmc-10 users. > > The Digitech PMC-10 really is one of the best midi > pedals ever. Sadly it > has been out of production a long time, is hard to > find, and at this stage > in life may be getting a little shaky if not well > taken care of. It is a > sad situation, but users don't demand good midi > pedals so no manufacturer > puts effort into it. > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 10:32:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3851D3BEDA; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mzmD7a7OGApuK8hk1IaIBr/OrZjIdXV6SkM7jLvHd0z97rcyE0d/wgQGJmFVsTsNzSJFngVGkLtwTfqg+uAIMc7Iz9ew8tyhbyelY/I2JDZPUuhLEOSA6+DTbA1BA612LCPT+VyJcrGbRkxB+xfwJpxL25FGtgZf1OoNGMPVAJE= ; Message-ID: <20060619103257.41039.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 03:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Ganglion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060616081123.01c18d98@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Oh Shit Kevin, i am reading your post too late;-) ive just had the fluid extracted you mean that increases the chances of coming back? --- Kevin wrote: > At 12:11 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote: > >I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring > >tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing > >guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a > >finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i should > >let them operate it because there arent any > guarantees > >of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve numbing > >the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and > >depressing being left handed... > > I'm not a doctor so you'd be a fool to follow my > advice but... > > I have had ganglions on the back of my hand in the > past when my > technique wasn't good. The best advice I got was to > rest the area > until my body repaired the synovial sheath shrank > the ganglion. I > also worked on my technique--I was using too much > force and bending > my wrist when I played so I played with a wrist > brace for awhile to > unlearn bad habits. > > If you cut (or pop) the synovial sheath, you weaken > it. So yeah, > your chances of getting another ganglion increase. > > Best wishes, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 12:27:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1EAA3BECC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005f01c6939b$c11bb3f0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <001501c692e5$faccce10$6501a8c0@Saturn> Subject: Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Kim was a litle faster :=) > Thank you all for your input on this subject! > > Claude's input using SysEx messages was a tad depressing ... The FCB1010 > can't > pull this off and apparantly Plex's can hiccup acoustically during SysEx > processing (their admission/apology, in the manual). with such a small message you wont hear it and any way you wont be recordin while sending this "setup" message > There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or MIDI channels and > sending > two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when working in stereo) would > be > compromised. I sense that the Plex designers put a lot of effort into the > stereo > synch issue ... brother synch and intelligent midi piping and all that. OH ! yes I exchanged more than 1000 mails with Matthias and Kim ...... > Simply > sending two MIDI messages might degrade that stereo synch in comparison > with > brother sync. the seperate source same channel is possible with some restrictions one EDP is 49 midi adressable params, 16 loops direct access makes 65 and there is only 127 midi messages possible.... if you dont use 16 loops per EDP its possible the degradation might be minimal as the first edp has to read whats coming in anyways before piping it. The only thing that would change is that you cannot use the running status midi messages compression scheme: one more midi byte here and there, nothing to worry. > And then there's the issue that the FCB 1010 is not up to the task. Hmmm. Been > using it for a year to control two Plexes and a PCM81. Reprogrammed it > several > times and used it live dozens of times over the last year. find youself a used Peavey table top pc1600x and you'll do All you cannot do with the FCB and much more. dj style EDP tweakin/triggering which no tapping foot can handle :=)) > In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the panel buttons' thing to > split > the two channels so they played two different parts of an ostinato and > then > reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic effect, crappy psychological > effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a beat, but going over to > the > panel was disorienting and took me way out of the music for like 30 > seconds. rehersal is the key > Now I see that the FCB1010 cannot send multiple notes on a single tap. > Dandy. > >> PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was weird- there was about a 100ms > delay >> from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP changed its state. this is NOT a functionning PMC10. I swear it PMC is the midi pedal board ROLLS-ROYCE > Yikes! 1/10'th second? That is disqualifying. > > - Clint Goss > > Email: clint@goss.com > Web: www.goss.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup > > At 02:53 PM 6/17/2006, hazard factor wrote: >> This is true, although with the hacked firmware, it has allowed for >>some improvement. There apparently isn't enough memory for different >>channels per preset, or releasepedal messages, although for probably a >>few pennies more they could have maybe used a little bit more memory. > > if people are going to the trouble of hacking the firmware, why not change > out > the memory also and increase the memory size? Seems like it would be a > pretty > simple hardware mod, unless the problem is the cpu address range is > already > filled up. > > >>So, for midi controllers, this leaves us with the PMC-10 and maybe the >>Rocktron All Access, although the Access is about the same price as an >>EDP... > > yes, if you are only thinking of midi footpedal controllers. But there are > plenty of other types of controllers. Keyboard controllers, drum > controllers, > sampler/drum machine boxes, table top studio fader boxes, etc. > Many options, unless you are a guitarist who wears big boots and doesn't > have a > hand free. > >>I will say- I used the PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was >>weird- there was about a 100ms delay from when I pressed the pedal to >>when the EDP changed its state. > > Are you talking about the Yamaha MFC-10 midi pedal? That has a known > latency > problem like you describe. But the old digitech PMC-10 definitely does not > have > any latency issue. After all, Andre LaFosse uses the Digitech PMC-10 for > all his > supa-fast pedal pushing. No way he could do that without a responsive > pedal. > >>I just use the EDP controller for the EDP, and the FCB1010 for >>everything >>else- they work pretty well together. > > That is another good approach to this. You can use midi control and the > Echoplex > pedal together just fine. So you could have the FCB1010 set up to control > the > two Echoplexes together in stereo, and then have the pedal plugged into > the > slave Echoplex to control it independently. You could probably even come > up with > some sort of "midi switch" that disconnects the midi connection between > them. So > with the midi connected, the FCB controls them both in stereo, and the > pedal can > independently address the slave. If you disconnect the midi with the midi > switch, the FCB could them be used to control the master EDP > independently. You > could switch between the options with a relatively simple solution. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 12:48:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A5853BED9; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cc01c6939d$683bb5d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Idling On the Backroads: video/audio looping piece uploaded Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:38:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) A good friend of mine took the first long break he has had since he started a family 20 years ago. He went back east to pick up an inexpensive airplane that he had purchased online and he had no time table, so he let himself drive only on backroads across the US. He took no major highways. He said that when he was hungry, he ate, when he was sleepy he slept in the back of his truck.........no matter what time of day or night. He had no timetable and was in no hurry. If he saw a thing of beauty or interest, he stopped and looked at it. This was such a beautiful story to me and it occured to me that rarely does anyone ever let themselves flow in an experience like this, especially as an adult. Anyway, I wrote this piece about the way his story made me feel. I used the non-real time looping program, Sony ACID 6.0. Then today, I found a cheap sound activated plastic store at a toy store and I took a series of 30 second lo fi video loops of it with my terrible (and wonderful) radio shack digital camera. I'm trying (very slowly and lamely) to learn how to use Vegas Video with these modest little films so I tried my first hand at video compositing and made this piece tonight. I hope you enjoy it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSUiO-v4uxQ IDLING ON THE BACKROADS: a piece from the multi media DVD release by Purple Hand, 'Orange' due out sometime before Y2k6 this summer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 13:03:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351723BEDD; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 385 free samples from Andrew Duke for looping, mangling, etc Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:02:04 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/19/2006 09:03:40 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Return Receipt Your Re: 385 free samples from Andrew Duke for looping, mangling, document: etc was Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com received by: at: 06/19/2006 09:02:04 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 13:30:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6399C3BEE8; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JEjuYs27r3fYbUQYZzBb70XGNx8LgrJmHvrkGWkEOrsoUZvqN85zVSTRpNGa16ple/Y09LK4zCub56HARl9IqzlBGx/BFW24/fEM51KEjzCr3ctnr4c3SP7+h0cTn+cebuXwohY572VIHYh6ysXKp5YHW7a/42/4lk8dpb5A7RY= ; Message-ID: <20060619133026.49209.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:30:26 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: beatsync filters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1955894613-1150723826=:48708" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7vE3yD.A.3T.zbqlEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:30:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-1955894613-1150723826=:48708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Your clips sounds nice. Thanks for the info. Any thoughts on electrix filter v.s akai ? Rune F. Per Boysen skrev: On 18 jun 2006, at 23.57, rune fagereng wrote: > I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig. > Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, > or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ? Hi Rune! I have an Akai MFC 42, that I think sounds great! http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM01/Content/Akai/PR/MFC42.html Here's an online clip where I play guitar though it, adding a subtle beat synced slow phasing effect: http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/loopersdelight-15.m3u This second example is not beat synced. Here I play it with my foot, like a wha pedal controlled from one of the FCB1010 MIDI expression pedals: http://www.looproom.com/audio/ocl/Organisational_Archeology_clip.mp3 Another cool trick with an FCB and the AKai filter-bank is to assign one expression pedal to the tempo beat divisor. Then you can move your foot to sweep through all counter-rhythms from a one bar frequency to 64ths something. I don't have any recording online of that, but I guess you can imagine the sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1955894613-1150723826=:48708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Your clips sounds nice. Thanks for the info. Any thoughts on electrix filter v.s akai ?
 
Rune F.  

Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
On 18 jun 2006, at 23.57, rune fagereng wrote:

> I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig.
> Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo,
> or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ?

Hi Rune!

I have an Akai MFC 42, that I think sounds great!
http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM01/Content/Akai/PR/MFC42.html

Here's an online clip where I play guitar though it, adding a subtle
beat synced slow phasing effect:
http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/loopersdelight-15.m3u

This second example is not beat synced. Here I play it with my foot,
like a wha pedal controlled from one of the FCB1010 MIDI expression
pedals:
http://www.looproom.com/audio/ocl/Organisational_Archeology_clip.mp3

Another cool trick with an FCB and the AKai filter-bank is to assign
one expression pedal to the tempo beat divisor. Then you can move
your foot to sweep through all counter-rhythms from a one bar
frequency to 64ths something. I don't have any recording online of
that, but I guess you can imagine the sound.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)







www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1955894613-1150723826=:48708-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 14:33:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CE313BED8; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003501c693ad$5bf9f150$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060619003619.51737.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Oh, Canada Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:23:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:33:38 +0000 (UTC) The last time we went to Canada, we flew from NYC to Vancouver. My wife's passport was expired so she used her French birth certificate to prove that she was an American citizen. ;) I kid you not. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "ditch wrestler" To: Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Oh, Canada > Being a Canadian, I've only lately crossed the border with birth cert. and > d.l. I'd bring my passport when I had a valid one. > > The wife and I are heading to SW Michingan in about two weeks and will > bring only those two pieces of i.d. Of course, this will the time we draw > the 'cavity search' card... > > Never had any problems. I always thought it was more important to give > the guard the short "yes, sire/ma'am" or "no, sir/ma'am" answers. > > > ted h. > > Paul wrote: > Hi: > > Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? > > I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to > enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). Doesn't > sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need a birth > certificate? What if one doesn't drive? > > Regards, Paul > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 15:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2814B3BECF; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <003501c693ad$5bf9f150$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> References: <20060619003619.51737.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003501c693ad$5bf9f150$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-623416631 Message-Id: <9dbaecf178e609dbf5d2d685b746cd61@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Oh, Canada Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:01:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-623416631 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed getting into canada is relatively easy. It's the US that's the problem... especially if you look at all like Ossama... which I do richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Jun-06, at 7:23 AM, Tony K wrote: > The last time we went to Canada, we flew from NYC to Vancouver. My > wife's passport was expired so she used her French birth certificate > to prove that she was an American citizen. ;) > > I kid you not. > > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ditch wrestler" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: Oh, Canada > > >> Being a Canadian, I've only lately crossed the border with birth >> cert. and d.l. I'd bring my passport when I had a valid one. >> >> The wife and I are heading to SW Michingan in about two weeks and >> will bring only those two pieces of i.d. Of course, this will the >> time we draw the 'cavity search' card... >> >> Never had any problems. I always thought it was more important to >> give the guard the short "yes, sire/ma'am" or "no, sir/ma'am" >> answers. >> >> >> ted h. >> >> Paul wrote: >> Hi: >> >> Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? >> >> I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to >> enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). >> Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need >> a birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive? >> >> Regards, Paul >> >> > --Apple-Mail-3-623416631 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII getting into canada is relatively easy. It's the US that's the problem... especially if you look at all like Ossama... which I do Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Jun-06, at 7:23 AM, Tony K wrote: The last time we went to Canada, we flew from NYC to Vancouver. My wife's passport was expired so she used her French birth certificate to prove that she was an American citizen. ;) I kid you not. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "ditch wrestler" < To: < Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Oh, Canada Being a Canadian, I've only lately crossed the border with birth cert. and d.l. I'd bring my passport when I had a valid one. The wife and I are heading to SW Michingan in about two weeks and will bring only those two pieces of i.d. Of course, this will the time we draw the 'cavity search' card... Never had any problems. I always thought it was more important to give the guard the short "yes, sire/ma'am" or "no, sir/ma'am" answers. ted h. Paul < wrote: Hi: Has anyone traveled from the US to Canada recently? I was told by someone that there is a requirement for 3 documents to enter the country (Passport, birth certificate, driver's license). Doesn't sound right to me - if one has a passport, why would one need a birth certificate? What if one doesn't drive? 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It does increase the chances but very little if you had them use a needle to extract the fluid. Popping is no good, it makes a tear in the synovial sheath. If you cut, pierce or pop the sheath, I was told that it will weaken the sheath at that point. This was years ago and as I've said I'm no doctor so don't take this as medical advice. The most important thing for you to do now is to figure out how you got the ganglion in the first place. Ganglions are an overuse injury, just like tendonitis. They will come back if you keep doing what gave you a ganglion in the first place. I made my ganglions go away permanently by analyzing my technique and changing it to reduce stress on my hand. I was playing too hard and too much and I was playing wrong with my left hand. My technique wasn't wrong according to the usual way that guitar is taught but it was wrong for me. Also I don't play when my hands are tired or sore. Best wishes, Kevin www.TheNettles.com At 03:32 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote: >Oh Shit Kevin, i am reading your post too late;-) ive >just had the fluid extracted you mean that increases >the chances of coming back? > >--- Kevin wrote: > > > At 12:11 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote: > > >I recently dicovered a small lump on my left ring > > >tendon that was sort of bothering me when playing > > >guitar and went to the doctor and found out is a > > >finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i should > > >let them operate it because there arent any > > guarantees > > >of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve numbing > > >the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and > > >depressing being left handed... > > > > I'm not a doctor so you'd be a fool to follow my > > advice but... > > > > I have had ganglions on the back of my hand in the > > past when my > > technique wasn't good. The best advice I got was to > > rest the area > > until my body repaired the synovial sheath shrank > > the ganglion. I > > also worked on my technique--I was using too much > > force and bending > > my wrist when I played so I played with a wrist > > brace for awhile to > > unlearn bad habits. > > > > If you cut (or pop) the synovial sheath, you weaken > > it. So yeah, > > your chances of getting another ganglion increase. > > > > Best wishes, > > Kevin > > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 16:23:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F7323BEEE; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012e01c693bc$b99237a0$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00cc01c6939d$683bb5d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Idling On the Backroads: video/audio looping piece uploaded Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:23:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Very cool, Rick. I knew you would go out and get a tiny camera!! :) I still have your beat-box video on my phone from our get together last week. Once I figure out how to save it to my drive, I'll send it to you. I have Vegas, but I use a program called Roxy Media Pro instead. It is much less processor intensive, easy to use, and has many of the same video effects as Vegas. I used it to produce my Microcosmic Horrors DVD. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:38 AM Subject: Idling On the Backroads: video/audio looping piece uploaded >A good friend of mine took the first long break he has had since he started >a family 20 years ago. > He went back east to pick up an inexpensive airplane that he had purchased > online and he had no time table, so > he let himself drive only on backroads across the US. He took no major > highways. > > He said that when he was hungry, he ate, when he was sleepy he slept in > the back of his truck.........no matter what time of day or night. > He had no timetable and was in no hurry. If he saw a thing of beauty or > interest, he stopped and looked at it. > > This was such a beautiful story to me and it occured to me that rarely > does anyone ever let themselves > flow in an experience like this, especially as an adult. > > Anyway, I wrote this piece about the way his story made me feel. I used > the non-real time looping program, Sony ACID 6.0. > > Then today, I found a cheap sound activated plastic store at a toy store > and I took a series of 30 second lo > fi video loops of it with my terrible (and wonderful) radio shack digital > camera. > > I'm trying (very slowly and lamely) to learn how to use Vegas Video with > these modest little films > so I tried my first hand at video compositing and made this piece tonight. > > I hope you enjoy it. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSUiO-v4uxQ > > > IDLING ON THE BACKROADS: a piece from the multi media DVD release by > Purple Hand, 'Orange' due out sometime before Y2k6 this summer. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 16:30:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2803BEEE; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060619123008.ddxoskubk04okoos@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:30:08 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oh, Canada References: <20060619003619.51737.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003501c693ad$5bf9f150$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <9dbaecf178e609dbf5d2d685b746cd61@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <9dbaecf178e609dbf5d2d685b746cd61@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:30:09 +0000 (UTC) It could be that they are tightening things up in retaliation to the new US securities. As a Canadian, I've always been able to travel to the US on just a drivers liscense, now we're being told that we'll have to get a passport, a pain in the ass but there you go.... Of course the border immigration officers could never quite understand that I like living in Canada and have no desire to try and sneak into the US to live. I heard some comedian recently say that in Canada we're just Americans without guns that have free health care... Paul Haslem, www.dulcify.ca Quoting Richard Sales : > getting into canada is relatively easy. It's the US that's the > problem... especially if you look at all like Ossama... which I do > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 16:34:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B753BF05; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013501c693be$365c0f30$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Looping CD Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:34:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <7lca9.A.yXH.NItlEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) I like it, Nico! The clips are very mesmerizing and put me at ease. And how could I forget the piece from Ontogenesis? :) What a great video. Let me guess, you are playing through a real guitar amp, right? It sounds real. I'll send you my address offline and we can swap CDs....yours for my newest one, Interstellar Delirium. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico spahni" > Hey Loopers, > > I finally got my act together and am about to put out my first looping CD > (admittedly self-burned as I'm not expecting to sell large quantities...) > It features 45 minutes of improvised ambient guitar stuff. Here are some > excerpts: > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/2725_1_(gradual_nirvana).mp3 > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/656_2_(bypassing_the_void).mp3 > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/1325_1_(ontogenesis).mp3 -> as heard and seen > (accompanying video) at Boise Experimental Music Festival > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/656_4_(pendulum).mp3 > > http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/3_115_1_(tentative_frictions).mp3 > > Any feedback is appreciated. > > Should anyone want to swap CDs (I send you mine, you send me yours), > please contact me off-list. > > Cheers, > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > nico@recpro.ch > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 17:39:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9667B3BEF7; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:40:20 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Ganglion To: "L.A. Angulo" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002201c693c7$a066bb60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060619103257.41039.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Just to add to the ganglion survey: I had one on the outer knuckle of my left (fretting) hand middle finger, about the size of a small pea (and isn't it funny how tumors and growths are so often compared to fruits and vegetables?). This was way back in the early 1970s, when I was in my early twenties. My family doc advised me to leave it alone, but it really interfered with my guitar playing - really hurt when I bent the finger. So he did the surgery, and afterwards I was left with a tiny numb spot on my knuckle and no ganglion ever again. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 17:41:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8CC23BF01; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:mime-version:content-type; b=H3b8KNVJyle3DYO82G4hSwmcRjiCo9YI8uQHrrxCGUYQ/qVz34/xE5zZ2abuvXhn6yUniW014vL8o+QCV53QWYSiC/j2Q4QBLpgvqgbsJVPKgcJP1/+r7SsN/0NPc8U1pIuafCYDGClpcHURAYGIz4KGPD34a0HHwU/DsoQe5TY= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:41:07 -0400 Subject: Hey y'all... Todd Reynolds in Oakland From: Todd Reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Hey y'all... Todd Reynolds in Oakland Thread-Index: AcaTx4s2yajnT/+6EdqkpQAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3233569269_3572624" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:41:13 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3233569269_3572624 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable How=B9s everybody doin=B9? I have no idea how I got completely unsubscribed, but I did. Like months ago! =20 And somehow, I just let it all happen. But no more. I=B9m back. Anyway, I=B9ll be in Oakland from the 19th to 24th and will be looping at the Garden of Memory concert at the Chapel of the Chimes on Wednesday, the 21st of June from 5-9, intermittently. Terry Riley and I will also be doing a little playing together, just a little improvisation time for the two of us during that same concert. So i= f you=B9re in oakland, give a shout, and/or come by the concert and say hi. I enjoy very much meeting people from the list whenever it happens. I=B9ll have to dive into the archives to see what=B9s been goin=B9 down in this, one of my favorite corners of cyberspace! But I=B9m back on now. Woohoo! All best to all. Todd Reynolds ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3233569269_3572624 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey y'all... Todd Reynolds in Oakland How’s everybody doin’?

I have no idea how I got completely unsubscribed, but I did.  Like mon= ths ago!  

And somehow, I just let it all happen.  But no more.  I’m b= ack.

Anyway, I’ll be in Oakland from the 19th to 24th and will be looping = at the Garden of Memory concert at the Chapel of the Chimes on Wednesday, th= e 21st of June from 5-9, intermittently.  

Terry Riley and I will also be doing a little playing together, just a litt= le improvisation time for the two of us during that same concert.  So i= f you’re in oakland, give a shout, and/or come by the concert and say = hi.  I enjoy very much meeting people from the list whenever it happens= .  

I’ll have to dive into the archives to see what’s been goinR= 17; down in this, one of my favorite corners of cyberspace!

But I’m back on now.  Woohoo!

All best to all.

Todd Reynolds


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Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
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http://www.toddreynolds.com


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 --B_3233569269_3572624-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 17:42:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24573BF08; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y8FmEIMF2WCuM9x5pFGHhT20RP3w7tj6oVHQg+kfQL/LkJ98gd8LNx7X1+A8Tv2lZJ0WrlQzeTS8NJ120PJbJ48YOC5oCvwtVLsSjimHF5Kh7BqR1YVTCPEiwQVqGQZlZVCywAFQU+6cERIohc4ItRLll6rig8ekYZSVKhYaYcs= ; Message-ID: <20060619174149.44777.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: beatsync filters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:42:11 +0000 (UTC) I love the Adrennalinn. A very deep box for the cash. Wish it had stereo inputs. I found the amp models to be "eh." Worth it for the beat synced effects. Sold it for some reason but wish I hadn't. Would work nicely in my Vox Tonelab's effect loop. KAOSS pad: Also great. Must have. Totally different box though. Not really geared for guitar as you need a finger (or toe?) free to really get your money's worth from it. I bet the Roger Mayer Voodoo rules, but not being able to sync to MIDI clock pretty much rules anything out for me. --- rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects > for my guitar-rig. > Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, > roger mayer voodoo, or adrennalinn ? Or any other > good filters ? > > Rune f > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 17:48:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D1C3BF0B; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gmv0s47fIlfSocd8HlX4EuNuUoX5FYcn/2Y9cOhQd6xKI6YAheI5QFTFe3c3sUOEwxpD3VrdcE+Mkm5uDyiN9L5DvJJTU/tME/+tahP2KQkTfoNkgp0LGLDnPSGmNMJeHNs2cKF2Yo2NN5yCjug+5uaWS2EM/t+MXsqD5nA6eMk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060619133026.49209.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060619133026.49209.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: beatsync filters Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:48:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jun 2006, at 15.30, rune fagereng wrote: > Any thoughts on electrix filter v.s akai ? Yes. My thoughts are that the manuals may reveal how useful each filter may be to you. I went for the Akai because one was available on a good price. I downloaded the manual and saw that I should be able to do enough of what I wanted with it, so I went for it. I have not read up on the electrix filter though. But I have tried them out in other peoples studios and know that they sound great. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:00:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3268D3BF0B; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060619123008.ddxoskubk04okoos@www.wightman.ca> References: <20060619003619.51737.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003501c693ad$5bf9f150$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <9dbaecf178e609dbf5d2d685b746cd61@glasswing.com> <20060619123008.ddxoskubk04okoos@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-634091677 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Oh, Canada Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:59:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3qiLGC.A.8iC.gYulEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-634091677 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's very true! It's not unusual to see US customs/FBI checking cars at the Peace Arch LEAVING THE STATES! I've seen them surround a car, put chucks under the wheels so they couldn't move and act pretty Rambo. I'm so happy that as of 4 May I'm a permanent resident of Canada. Get a passport soon. They're talking about putting chips in passports so they can track your activities. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Jun-06, at 9:30 AM, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > It could be that they are tightening things up in retaliation to the > new US > securities. As a Canadian, I've always been able to travel to the US > on just a > drivers liscense, now we're being told that we'll have to get a > passport, a > pain in the ass but there you go.... Of course the border immigration > officers > could never quite understand that I like living in Canada and have no > desire to > try and sneak into the US to live. I heard some comedian recently say > that in > Canada we're just Americans without guns that have free health care... > > Paul Haslem, > www.dulcify.ca > > > > Quoting Richard Sales : > >> getting into canada is relatively easy. It's the US that's the >> problem... especially if you look at all like Ossama... which I do >> richard sales >> glassWing farm and studio >> vancouver island, b.c. >> 800.545.6846 >> 250.752.4816 >> www.glassWing.com >> www.richardsales.com >> www.hayleysales.com >> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > --Apple-Mail-1-634091677 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII It's very true! It's not unusual to see US customs/FBI checking cars at the Peace Arch LEAVING THE STATES! I've seen them surround a car, put chucks under the wheels so they couldn't move and act pretty Rambo. I'm so happy that as of 4 May I'm a permanent resident of Canada. Get a passport soon. They're talking about putting chips in passports so they can track your activities. Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Jun-06, at 9:30 AM, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: It could be that they are tightening things up in retaliation to the new US securities. As a Canadian, I've always been able to travel to the US on just a drivers liscense, now we're being told that we'll have to get a passport, a pain in the ass but there you go.... Of course the border immigration officers could never quite understand that I like living in Canada and have no desire to try and sneak into the US to live. I heard some comedian recently say that in Canada we're just Americans without guns that have free health care... Paul Haslem, www.dulcify.ca Quoting Richard Sales <: getting into canada is relatively easy. It's the US that's the problem... especially if you look at all like Ossama... which I do richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-1-634091677-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:01:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9FC83BF13; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VwcMSvaa0t83MOv0rOCNZOFXA0pfKIaoGZrySgnoJVzyAxiQp69ZsK6GEfqR6H2tUhiBttTMFtDX2HuoYjebUjCdyOqk3Ejr51geB14EOslq/ov9qIx5pfpgWoBRP1aX18N7zGp0R4cWyYvDuLBWGogXBqwZ1KBwqijQhgc1bmA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060619174149.44777.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060619174149.44777.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <261D29C3-D265-4977-8EE1-D189358DB804@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: beatsync filters Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:01:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:01:43 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jun 2006, at 19.41, mark sottilaro wrote: >> I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects >> for my guitar-rig. >> Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, >> roger mayer voodoo, or adrennalinn ? Or any other >> good filters ? I just posted about my Akai MFC42. But many kinds of effect processors can do that type of beat sync filtering (I just love the sound of the Akai's analog hardware). I like to use the Akai with the EDP, typically playing into the EDP and having the loops output going into the Akai. I have also been successful in programming a bunch of similar beat sync filter patches in my tc electronics FireworX. I was amazed to find out how good the digital filtering of the FireworX can sound if you tweak it a little. I typically store these FireworX patches with a cool counter-rhythm relation between the tempo (MIDI clock pulse) and the LFO speed that controls the filter sweeps. Then I assign a MIDI expression pedal - or MIDI joystick - to a divisor type parameter that handles the relation between the global tempo and the filter sweep speed. That makes it possible to do those "helicopter take-offs" on the FireworX, just as on the Akai. In theory this would be possible in software on a laptop as well, but if you go that route you will have to take other factors into careful consideration; CPU-efficiency, system stability, latency etc Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:05:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 834E33BF25; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-634438033 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Hey y'all... Todd Reynolds in Oakland Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:05:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:05:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-634438033 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed VERY nice music, Todd. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Jun-06, at 10:41 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > How=92s everybody doin=92? > > I have no idea how I got completely unsubscribed, but I did. =A0Like =20= > months ago! =A0 > > And somehow, I just let it all happen. =A0But no more. =A0I=92m back. > > Anyway, I=92ll be in Oakland from the 19th to 24th and will be = looping =20 > at the Garden of Memory concert at the Chapel of the Chimes on =20 > Wednesday, the 21st of June from 5-9, intermittently. =A0 > > Terry Riley and I will also be doing a little playing together, just =20= > a little improvisation time for the two of us during that same =20 > concert. =A0So if you=92re in oakland, give a shout, and/or come by = the =20 > concert and say hi. =A0I enjoy very much meeting people from the list =20= > whenever it happens. =A0 > > I=92ll have to dive into the archives to see what=92s been goin=92 = down in =20 > this, one of my favorite corners of cyberspace! > > But I=92m back on now. =A0Woohoo! > > All best to all. > > Todd Reynolds > > > = -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > ---------- > =93Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=94 - Trevor Exter > > =93Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to =20= > the creative part of sound=94 - Ornette Coleman > =20 > = -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > ----------- > Todd Reynolds > 42-09 47th Ave 1C > Sunnyside, NY =A011104 > =A0 > Ph. =A0=A0=A0718 392-3773 > Mob. =A0=A0917 576-6166 > Fax =A0=A0=A0419 781-5502 > =A0 > http://www.toddreynolds.com > > > todd@toddreynolds.com > 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) > AIM ID: toddreyn > > > =20= --Apple-Mail-3-634438033 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 VERY nice music, Todd. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 19-Jun-06, at 10:41 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: Lucida GrandeHow=92s everybody doin=92? Lucida Grande I have no idea how I got completely unsubscribed, but I did. =A0Like months ago! = =A0 Lucida Grande And somehow, I just let it all happen. =A0But no more. =A0I=92m back. Lucida Grande Anyway, I=92ll be in Oakland from the 19th to 24th and will be looping at the Garden of Memory concert at the Chapel of the Chimes on Wednesday, the 21st of June from 5-9, intermittently. =A0 Lucida Grande Terry Riley and I will also be doing a little playing together, just a little improvisation time for the two of us during that same concert. =A0So if you=92re in oakland, give a shout, and/or come by the concert and say hi. =A0I enjoy very much meeting people from the list whenever it happens. =A0 Lucida Grande I=92ll have to dive into the archives to see what=92s been goin=92 down in this, one of my favorite corners of cyberspace! Lucida Grande But I=92m back on now. =A0Woohoo! Lucida Grande All best to = all. Lucida Grande Todd = Reynolds Lucida = Grande------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- Lucida Grande =93Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=94 - Trevor Exter Lucida Grande =93Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=94 - Ornette Coleman Lucida Grande = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Lucida Grande Todd Reynolds Lucida Grande 42-09 47th Ave 1C Lucida Grande Sunnyside, NY = =A011104 Lucida Grande =A0 Lucida Grande Ph. =A0=A0=A0718 = 392-3773 Lucida Grande Mob. =A0=A0917 = 576-6166 Lucida Grande Fax =A0=A0=A0419 = 781-5502 Lucida Grande =A0 Lucida = Grande0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.toddreynolds.= com Lucida Grande = todd@toddreynolds.com Lucida Grande 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) Lucida Grande AIM ID: toddreyn = --Apple-Mail-3-634438033-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:17:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EF753BF2A; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000001c692c4$56ce16f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <000001c692c4$56ce16f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:19:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Here's one of yours truly from back in the days (probably '91) when my hair was still big and my guitar solos fast... :-) http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/back_in_the_days.jpg Cheers, Nico Am 18.06.2006 um 12:45 schrieb Bernhard Wagner LD: > http://nosuch.biz/whatsup/photos > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] >> Sent: Samstag, 10. Juni 2006 00:23 >> To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) >> Subject: Embarassing Pictures from Early History > >> >> >> I know you have 'em.........................I took the >> plunge...............you can too!!!! >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:23:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B490C3BF24; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <013501c693be$365c0f30$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <013501c693be$365c0f30$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2c7132c199a5e3fe97fd80f0ecfa1073@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Looping CD Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:25:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, You're partly right. Some of the tracks were recorded through a real amp, others weren't. Generally, the ones that involve less complex looping (if complex is the appropriate word considering what some of you guys do...) were played through a Roland AC-60. Please send your CD to the following address: Nico Spahni Eichliackerstrasse 23 CH-8406 Winterthur Switzerland I'm looking forward to listening to your output. Best, Nico Am 19.06.2006 um 18:34 schrieb Krispen Hartung: > I like it, Nico! The clips are very mesmerizing and put me at ease. > And how could I forget the piece from Ontogenesis? :) What a great > video. > > Let me guess, you are playing through a real guitar amp, right? It > sounds real. > > I'll send you my address offline and we can swap CDs....yours for my > newest one, Interstellar Delirium. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico spahni" > >> Hey Loopers, >> >> I finally got my act together and am about to put out my first >> looping CD (admittedly self-burned as I'm not expecting to sell large >> quantities...) It features 45 minutes of improvised ambient guitar >> stuff. Here are some excerpts: > >> http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/2725_1_(gradual_nirvana).mp3 > > > >> http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/656_2_(bypassing_the_void).mp3 >> >> http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/1325_1_(ontogenesis).mp3 -> as heard and >> seen (accompanying video) at Boise Experimental Music Festival >> >> http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/656_4_(pendulum).mp3 >> >> http://www.recpro.ch/mp3/3_115_1_(tentative_frictions).mp3 >> >> Any feedback is appreciated. >> >> Should anyone want to swap CDs (I send you mine, you send me yours), >> please contact me off-list. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Nico >> >> www.recpro.ch >> nico@recpro.ch >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:31:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACEFE3BF39; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fJTBaRn/IgK4sFBw3KYddCl3IV8duFmANzq/LBTUWI2sZhiSm9rjqG2Xa/SlE8JaPaquQUDrBKvUihteL1u6fnUYvTOeXMdOoFPv436xs4p95rkRvxnfaRguxjvM41/t05+lHNrLrhe+rHHr6UZhqg2As3QyF8m3eJWYqdbUmps= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <000001c692c4$56ce16f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <315D3032-38DA-4ED7-80C5-977C85B1881E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Embarassing Pictures from Early History Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:31:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <0s5gQD.A.A8D.E2ulEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Wonderful pictures, guys! Nice shirt, Nico! Quell Smile Sardonique, Bernhard! What - you weren't green back then, Rick? LOL! per (wish I had some old pix left to upload... gave them all away to fans... cruel world... ;-) On 19 jun 2006, at 20.19, nico spahni wrote: > Here's one of yours truly from back in the days (probably '91) when > my hair was still big and my guitar solos fast... :-) > > http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/back_in_the_days.jpg > > Cheers, > > Nico > > > > Am 18.06.2006 um 12:45 schrieb Bernhard Wagner LD: > >> http://nosuch.biz/whatsup/photos >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] >>> Sent: Samstag, 10. Juni 2006 00:23 >>> To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) >>> Subject: Embarassing Pictures from Early History >> >>> >>> >>> I know you have 'em.........................I took the >>> plunge...............you can too!!!! >>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:47:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57EC63BEEC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: stupid compression pedal question.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm fiddling around with compression pedals in my guitar playing. Also in the mix are distortion, delay, envelope filters, and chorus/flange type stuff. I've read everything from the compression pedal shoudl be the first item in the chain to it should be the last or it should follow a particularly volume/tone sucking effect. Assuming I'll at very least always have a distortion-> envelope filter->Delay/looper where is the best place for me to place the compression pedal? Does this change if I am using a different instrument (drum machine, bass, saxophone, whatever). If you can let me know why you chose that would help a lot too. Thanks for any/all help! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 18:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13B8F3BF1C; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1364.128.193.37.230.1150743104.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: stupid compression pedal question.. From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:51:46 +0000 (UTC) > I'm fiddling around with compression pedals in my guitar playing. Also in > the mix are distortion, delay, envelope filters, and chorus/flange type > stuff. I've read everything from the compression pedal shoudl be the first > item in the chain to it should be the last or it should follow a > particularly volume/tone sucking effect. > > Assuming I'll at very least always have a distortion-> envelope > filter->Delay/looper where is the best place for me to place the > compression pedal? Does this change if I am using a different instrument > (drum machine, bass, saxophone, whatever). > > If you can let me know why you chose that would help a lot too. > > Thanks for any/all help! Are you using the compression pedal to limit or sustain? I saw Bill Frisell talking once about how he used to have a volume pedal and a compression unit. Once he realized that he had the volume pedal in his chain to overcome what he was doing with the compression pedal he got rid of both. YMMV. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 19:53:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BEB53BEF7; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1597.82.236.190.21.1150746803.squirrel@ismail.ism.com.br> In-Reply-To: <20060619174149.44777.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060619174149.44777.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:23 -0300 (BRT) Subject: 2880 horrible thing From: ramirose@ism.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:53:28 +0000 (UTC) I am in France , I just got my new 2880 super track looper two hours ago. I cant believe this: YOU CANT CUT THE CLICK SOUND FROM THE L/R OUTPUTS AND STILL LISTEN BY THE HEADPHONES OUTPUT . Is this a joke or what ? How can I do a real live show if everybody listen the click in my first quantized loop ? Its true that you can turn it off after the first loop , but IT MUST HAVE THE OPTION TO LISTEN THE CLICK ONLY BY THE HEADPHONE OUTPUT . If nobody knows and teach me how to do this _listen the click only by headphones_ , I will try to have my money back and wait for the RC50. I am not interested in no quantized loops , because I work with very complex rhyhtmes so , what can I do ? My experiences with loops alive was with LIVE ableton and a guy controlling it while I play . Now I want to do my stuff alone . how can I do it with other machine ? thanks ramiro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 20:26:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610F13BEF3; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ofdmkj7dFcPeVT9kX8FxlKv1TT+mXPlcErmbgK6cwRcYnuqtBSz/QvyM4n1agA4cCUn2p1RrnfdsCvJmHv2MuiAbOsa4RgtMiOSLWIfiHZnmaLCUZTO5ih/hF4eK3cxAH+u5YvDidSHlzWWYV2pt2/RpxNMvW4+2cxL6nPp5zio= Message-ID: <64b81a780606191326w475c9ac5j8653f3c4a81f6aaa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:26:05 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stupid compression pedal question.. In-Reply-To: <1364.128.193.37.230.1150743104.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1364.128.193.37.230.1150743104.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:26:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm of the opinion that using a little compression to provide a nice strong signal to the rest of the system is a good thing. However, if you're running through tubes at any point and are relying on your expressive guitar playing to drive those tubes, then the compressor will just flatten all that expresivity right out and produce a flat response from those tubes. Also, since you mention an envelope follower specifically, a compressor in front of an E.F. will severely limit it's expresiveness. The bottom line is that a compressor minimizes the dynamics of your playing. Any device that you desire to be influenced by your playing dynamics should precede compression. Ideally, I guess, a signal chain would look like: guitar -> tube pre / envelope follower -> compressor -> loopers / delays / everything else -> compressor / limiter (to rein everything back in) In all cases, too much compression is undesirable unless you're specifically aiming for a super compressed sound. Ultimately, you'll have to experiment to see where in your signal chain the compressor works best for you, how much compression to apply, etc. There are no rules for this stuff, it's all personal taste. Todd > > I'm fiddling around with compression pedals in my guitar playing. Also in > > the mix are distortion, delay, envelope filters, and chorus/flange type > > stuff. I've read everything from the compression pedal shoudl be the first > > item in the chain to it should be the last or it should follow a > > particularly volume/tone sucking effect. > > > > Assuming I'll at very least always have a distortion-> envelope > > filter->Delay/looper where is the best place for me to place the > > compression pedal? Does this change if I am using a different instrument > > (drum machine, bass, saxophone, whatever). > > > > If you can let me know why you chose that would help a lot too. > > > > Thanks for any/all help! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 21:07:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6F253BEF6; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:07:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QuBzrkNoy7ZGlRJoQhux+lkJoJQfbFFlMUlWXjGzFHBMKgbx4l/PQHLzvsnLzu5h+t6xDA/iqDOwcTbkDbQbnyyP8F9kACQNZ/wrpospTDJ3oZnrktSVBHT0V9H52hHMGLCHUHMONdqHnVo8fzb4TeWoXmljlNC5sU4wtLh6W1Q= Message-ID: <46fea78d0606191407ob15da2n39a4739d287b15f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:07:13 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fully expanded and updated jamman on Craigslist! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_167798_24571260.1150751233498" References: <00cc01c6939d$683bb5d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:07:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_167798_24571260.1150751233498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hmm... looks like a YamMan to me, but otherwise looks a lot like my JamPersons. David On 6/19/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/173063701.html > > > > > > -- > > ... > http://www.zmix.net > ------=_Part_167798_24571260.1150751233498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hmm... looks like a YamMan to me, but otherwise looks a lot like my JamPersons.
 
David

 

------=_Part_167798_24571260.1150751233498-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 21:15:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF1F63BF08; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Fully expanded and updated jamman on Craigslist! Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:15:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0606191407ob15da2n39a4739d287b15f1@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcaT5F0TX/AX7yWyR0Kv7hALr4XXZQAAMjEQ Message-Id: <20060619211512.FGYX5347.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Hey, this has the Sellon mod installed!=20 Sounds like a good deal at $350 . . . As I recall, I sold mine for more than that. Gary From: D rH [mailto:the.31st@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 2:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fully expanded and updated jamman on Craigslist! Hmm... looks like a YamMan to me, but otherwise looks a lot like my JamPersons. =A0 David =A0 On 6/19/06, Charles Zwicky wrote:=20 http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/msg/173063701.html=20 ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 21:41:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F6A53BF06; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PqbLZS2JR/NuUymGeNtn+eIUYaYzs84Bjfn6PkWV82BtWee5YR9aFR+xBjmRl6BcByjbLUMkP/1P9YZA9rnBKiHllh7paT9KHrvPAcVQYfhrQob1VcYcCTe6DsiUc4Up2zG4zJud92NkDMD62MCyh+nGGw0Y+9CkVz8OigxOfbo= ; Message-ID: <20060619214116.79688.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: 2880 horrible thing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1597.82.236.190.21.1150746803.squirrel@ismail.ism.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8h3zoC.A.ZXE.9nxlEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:41:17 +0000 (UTC) I don't own a 2880, but perhaps it might be worth your effort to get your click from another device (drum machine/sequencer that the 2880 is slaved to. This way you can monitor it any way you like. This is how I deal with the Repeater's inflexable click track. Mark --- ramirose@ism.com.br wrote: > > > I am in France , I just got my new 2880 super track > looper two hours ago. > I cant believe this: > YOU CANT CUT THE CLICK SOUND FROM THE L/R OUTPUTS > AND STILL LISTEN BY > THE HEADPHONES OUTPUT . > Is this a joke or what ? > How can I do a real live show if everybody listen > the click in my first > quantized loop ? > Its true that you can turn it off after the first > loop , but IT MUST HAVE > THE OPTION TO LISTEN THE CLICK ONLY BY THE HEADPHONE > OUTPUT . > If nobody knows and teach me how to do this _listen > the click only by > headphones_ , I will try to have my money back and > wait for the RC50. > I am not interested in no quantized loops , because > I work with very > complex rhyhtmes so , what can I do ? > My experiences with loops alive was with LIVE > ableton and a guy > controlling it while I play . Now I want to do my > stuff alone . how can I > do it with other machine ? > thanks > ramiro > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 21:58:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A763BEF6; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1597.82.236.190.21.1150746803.squirrel@ismail.ism.com.br> References: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060619174149.44777.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1597.82.236.190.21.1150746803.squirrel@ismail.ism.com.br> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:58:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: 2880 horrible thing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:58:50 +0000 (UTC) As a workaround solution, you can use a cheap drumbox as a click... The 2880 works really well when slaved to a MIDI clock... and you can monitor the drumbox through your headphones. >I am in France , I just got my new 2880 super track looper two hours ago. >I cant believe this: >YOU CANT CUT THE CLICK SOUND FROM THE L/R OUTPUTS AND STILL LISTEN BY >THE HEADPHONES OUTPUT . >Is this a joke or what ? >How can I do a real live show if everybody listen the click in my first >quantized loop ? >Its true that you can turn it off after the first loop , but IT MUST HAVE >THE OPTION TO LISTEN THE CLICK ONLY BY THE HEADPHONE OUTPUT . >If nobody knows and teach me how to do this _listen the click only by >headphones_ , I will try to have my money back and wait for the RC50. >I am not interested in no quantized loops , because I work with very >complex rhyhtmes so , what can I do ? >My experiences with loops alive was with LIVE ableton and a guy >controlling it while I play . Now I want to do my stuff alone . how can I >do it with other machine ? >thanks >ramiro -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 19 22:04:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674D23BF0B; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <64b81a780606191326w475c9ac5j8653f3c4a81f6aaa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1364.128.193.37.230.1150743104.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <64b81a780606191326w475c9ac5j8653f3c4a81f6aaa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: stupid compression pedal question.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC) At 4:26 PM -0400 6/19/06, Todd Pafford wrote: >At 11:41 AM -0700 6/19/06, Legion wrote: >>Assuming I'll at very least always have a distortion-> envelope >>filter->Delay/looper where is the best place for me to place the >>compression pedal? > >I'm of the opinion that using a little compression to provide a nice >strong signal to the rest of the system is a good thing. However, if >you're running through tubes at any point and are relying on your >expressive guitar playing to drive those tubes, then the compressor >will just flatten all that expresivity right out and produce a flat >response from those tubes. I'd tend to agree with Todd, but with a possible further qualification or two. What kind of distortion pedal are you using in the chain? If you're looking at one of the more radical distortion boxes (I'm primarily thinking of some of the boutique stuff like the Metasonix Agonizer, Zvex's Machine, or Effector 13's Torn's Peaker) then you should really think about using a compressor or basic OD-type pedal directly afterward to amooth out some of the wild peaks those can produce. Otherwise, it'll sound great to most noise fans, but you might not be able to produce a passable tone. Also, to add yet another variable, you might try experimenting with the type of compressor you're using. VCA designs are quite fast and are good for controlling transients on percussive instruments. Optical and FET designs won't react quite so quickly, so they're better for allowing the initial attack characteristics of on instrument come through while still producing a more even and sustained signal. You *might* be able to get away with using an optical before the envelope follower if you absolutely have to have the compressor before it. And multi-band compressors can allow you to process only a particular frequency band(s) while allowing the rest of the spectrum to pass unchanged. The latter can work pretty well as a "clean up" unit to keep the whole signal chain reined in. >Ultimately, you'll have to experiment to see where in your signal >chain the compressor >works best for you, how much compression to apply, etc. There are >no rules for this stuff, it's all personal taste. Todd is also spot-on here. This is one place where the "art" of studio technique really comes into play. If you give us some more information on exactly what you're looking to achieve, we might be able to give you some more concrete recommendations. However, a lot of this is like cooking. You're going to have to throw it together into a pot and season as you like. --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 00:06:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD75D3BEFF; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zFC1jLSPbdFV8xG2i6LG4ALjGrwCDtkxOCXK/FOIWGMa/kuj5jVfGm0MyeTa0YOJ7pFlBLAh/xLkIkfR/tZ3EB9Rsu6+HBjvcvrhGL/KUNVWdnRGZTDSFRb9DPvtAW+RybPdaf4C8jCz3zZ8AkgcUvX0ChJGFGW2CBuqIao+lhY= ; Message-ID: <20060620000600.92350.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Ganglion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060619081857.01c537a0@TheNettles.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <94dreB.A.5WC.pvzlEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:06:01 +0000 (UTC) hmm maybe i should take a leave of absence from the guitar for a while... well this is a good question, i am self taught and never really sat down to analyze a correct way of playing guitar,i did take a couple of classical guitar lessons but most of its technique was focused on the right hand.I always thought that if i ever suffered from anything in my hands it would be on the right one since its the weakest and the one i feel i stress the most with fingerpicking etc.but then again i am left handed and i have that usual ackward position when writting as well.It could also be the fact that i played rock n roll style guitar for years with the guitar strapped quite low...i wonder how those old rockers smashing guitars kissing feedback amps and carrying heavy less pauls strapped real low are doing this days... Luis --- Kevin wrote: > A bit. It does increase the chances but very little > if you had them > use a needle to extract the fluid. Popping is no > good, it makes a > tear in the synovial sheath. If you cut, pierce or > pop the sheath, I > was told that it will weaken the sheath at that > point. > > This was years ago and as I've said I'm no doctor so > don't take this > as medical advice. > > The most important thing for you to do now is to > figure out how you > got the ganglion in the first place. Ganglions are > an overuse > injury, just like tendonitis. They will come back if > you keep doing > what gave you a ganglion in the first place. > > I made my ganglions go away permanently by analyzing > my technique and > changing it to reduce stress on my hand. I was > playing too hard and > too much and I was playing wrong with my left hand. > My technique > wasn't wrong according to the usual way that guitar > is taught but it > was wrong for me. Also I don't play when my hands > are tired or sore. > > Best wishes, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > At 03:32 AM 6/19/2006, you wrote: > >Oh Shit Kevin, i am reading your post too late;-) > ive > >just had the fluid extracted you mean that > increases > >the chances of coming back? > > > >--- Kevin wrote: > > > > > At 12:11 AM 6/16/2006, you wrote: > > > >I recently dicovered a small lump on my left > ring > > > >tendon that was sort of bothering me when > playing > > > >guitar and went to the doctor and found out is > a > > > >finger ganglion.I am still debating wether i > should > > > >let them operate it because there arent any > > > guarantees > > > >of anything,it oculd come back,ruin a nerve > numbing > > > >the finger etc.it is specially frustrating and > > > >depressing being left handed... > > > > > > I'm not a doctor so you'd be a fool to follow my > > > advice but... > > > > > > I have had ganglions on the back of my hand in > the > > > past when my > > > technique wasn't good. The best advice I got > was to > > > rest the area > > > until my body repaired the synovial sheath > shrank > > > the ganglion. I > > > also worked on my technique--I was using too > much > > > force and bending > > > my wrist when I played so I played with a wrist > > > brace for awhile to > > > unlearn bad habits. > > > > > > If you cut (or pop) the synovial sheath, you > weaken > > > it. So yeah, > > > your chances of getting another ganglion > increase. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Kevin > > > > > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic > Music > > > www.TheNettles.com > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 00:21:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897413BF08; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FWV+fFu2tHpZGKoSN7GtG9aVhrBPs7B05d4vIl9gJchDBWdndmigEn9HVLzDoR/KWS8fLJjB8/NJuKVU+bI2WomNxzR7XbnwR25i6aPGlTwmlm1w0dXHumiQfCL/JYMa1BMW1DLUHCbHHr5ZgoDtL9THCOvoIKRHME7/YiLMkN8= ; Message-ID: <20060620002154.38886.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Ganglion To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002201c693c7$a066bb60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:21:56 +0000 (UTC) just curious do u regret doing the surgery or has it affected your playing or your hand effectiveness in anyway? Luis --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Just to add to the ganglion survey: I had one on the > outer knuckle of my > left (fretting) hand middle finger, about the size > of a small pea (and isn't > it funny how tumors and growths are so often > compared to fruits and > vegetables?). This was way back in the early 1970s, > when I was in my early > twenties. My family doc advised me to leave it > alone, but it really > interfered with my guitar playing - really hurt when > I bent the finger. So > he did the surgery, and afterwards I was left with a > tiny numb spot on my > knuckle and no ganglion ever again. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money > trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good > men die like dogs. There's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 02:05:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788C53BF17; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAMPvlkSBTYgcLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060619193416.01a9bd90@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:37:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup In-Reply-To: <20060618154422.6C6B03BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060618154422.6C6B03BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:05:41 +0000 (UTC) >In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the panel buttons' >thing to split >the two channels so they played two different parts of an ostinato and then >reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic effect, crappy psychological >effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a beat, but going over to the >panel was disorienting and took me way out of the music for like 30 seconds. ;-) with practice though, it gets to feel natural andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 02:34:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C913BF1B; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: stupid compression pedal question.. In-Reply-To: <1364.128.193.37.230.1150743104.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to everyone for the excellent information and advice on using a compression pedal with guitar. I'm no effects newbie but I've never actually used a compression pedal before to play "normal" guitar :) For those that wanted to knwo and to possilby help others in the same situation here's what I ended up doing: My goal was to even out the overall levels. I almost always have an overdrive or distorion somewhere early in the pedal chain and then that feeds either a wah or an envelope filter. When I put on the envelope filter there is a drastic reduction in overall volume and some serious peaks with certain settings so I wanted to get somethig to "tame" that but still allow the overall volume and tone to get through. I had an old Ibanez soundtank pedal as well as the UE400 and UE303B multieffects units from the TS9 series days but the soundtank just didn't have much oomf and the other ones had a bit more hiss than I was hoping (and in the case of the UE400 only a "sustain" and "Output level" control. After reading a ton of reviews and talking to some people I decided to give the DOD Milkbox a try. this is a very low end pedal ($40 new) I know but I figured I really don't know enough or play enough to warrent a Keeley/Ross thing or some boutique pedal at this point and I want to experiment form the ground up. It took a few hours tonight but I think I've got what I was seraching for and the Milkbox does a surprisingly good job after all. I'm running a chorus first (Boss CE3) in a Keeley Ibanex TS9DX(my favorite oveerdrive bar none) and then have a wah (right now a roland PW10, that may change) and old DOD FX25 envelope filter. The Milkbox compressior is last in the chain which then feeds the amp. What ending up making it all work was turning up the attack to about 75% and adding *just* a bit (maybe 25%) of compression. I matched my clean and distortion levels so there isn't a huge jump in volume there and then adjusted the overal level I wanted with the compressor (about 65%). This got me all the tone from the TS9DX but a stable overall volume with or without the wah/filter stuff. I did noticed if I turned down the attack to 50% or less the compressor just sucked the sparkle from the distortion or chorus and the overall sound was very dull and dead. Similarly if I turned the compression or volume up too much it introduced distortion or hiss respectively and made things quite annoying. All in all the cheapass Dod Milkbox did a great job of leaving what i wanted, boosting what I needed, and not adding too much of what I didn't like. I know compression in general is a very subjective and qualitative thing but I certainly DO hear a difference using it and it makes everything overall "work" better. YMMV. Again thanks for all the advice. I'm looking forward to trying this rig out live soon and will try it with a more radical setup (fuzz, EH microsynth, fraky modulation pedals) soon to see if it holds up for experimental as well as vanilla stuff. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 04:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6323BECF; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I21QSGPC8v4gF8qw6xvXm77ofPyrbOWvx7AToJi9y7uHSrFgp9sKn+a33TxB9GD7jok3LjsH+ZHW6LusebzPsfq5VHhY1zK7AOWWAREn/aNQQSON3LnzI4Eibu+Iqp6uYVKY4pJe3/efwyK+yPWxtdl6Oburxvk/cMehzfklS0Q= ; Message-ID: <20060620043211.98169.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Candc Hoffman/Traxler Subject: Re: beatsync filters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-719804262-1150777931=:86202" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:32:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-719804262-1150777931=:86202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Rune, I've got a kaoss pad but it is not the latest model and has no beat synced features. It makes great tapped sweeps and effects though, but you have to have your hands off the guitar. The Kaoss pad has programmable midi CC sends and I've thought of running those through my Emu XL-7 sequencer synced and set to record midi changes but alas I haven't got round to it. I have sent the kaoss midi sends to my Lexicon MPX-1 which is a great unit with lots of beat punchable patches that are totally programmable with LFO's etc. My only gripe with the MPX-1 is that it runs out of memory quickly so I can't quite get what I'm after all the time. It is billed as a unit that will allow the user to place the effects in any order which is great but the really good combinations use up too much of the DSP power. I've been seriously wanting an Adrenalinn II for the very same reasons you are after and the website has a lot of good sound samples. I've tried to get the same effect by recording control changes on my XL-7 and running them to my Digitech GNX-3 and it works but its a time consuming endeavor and too much stuff to hook up for every gig. So I think that the Adrenalinn II is a good combo unit with a small footprint. I just need to sell something before I justify buying another item. Ha! Christian rune fagereng wrote: Hi ! I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig. Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ? Rune f www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-719804262-1150777931=:86202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Rune,
 
I've got a kaoss pad but it is not the latest model and has no beat synced features.  It makes great tapped sweeps and effects though, but you have to have your hands off the guitar.  The Kaoss pad has programmable midi CC sends and I've thought of running those through my Emu XL-7 sequencer synced and set to record midi changes but alas I haven't got round to it.  I have sent the kaoss midi sends to my Lexicon MPX-1 which is a great unit with lots of beat punchable patches that are totally programmable with LFO's etc.  My only gripe with the MPX-1 is that it runs out of memory quickly so I can't quite get what I'm after all the time.  It is billed as a unit that will allow the user to place the effects in any order which is great but the really good combinations use up too much of the DSP power.
 
I've been seriously wanting an Adrenalinn II for the very same reasons you are after and the website has a lot of good sound samples. I've tried to get the same effect by recording control changes on my XL-7 and running them to my Digitech GNX-3 and it works but its a time consuming endeavor and too much stuff to hook up for every gig. So I think that the Adrenalinn II is a good combo unit with a small footprint.  I just need to sell something before I justify buying another item.  Ha!
 
Christian

rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no> wrote:
Hi !
 
I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig.
Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ?
 
Rune f


www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867

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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-719804262-1150777931=:86202-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 05:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0B8C3BEE2; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060618215731.46869.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: beatsync filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:04:54 +0000 (UTC) At 11:57 PM +0200 6/18/06, rune fagereng wrote: > >I am looking for beatsyncing filter/sweaps-effects for my guitar-rig. >Does anyone have experience with the kaoss pad, roger mayer voodoo, >or adrennalinn ? Or any other good filters ? Here's an oddball box that is probably worth the (admittedly less) money, *if* you can find one. Keep an eye out for the Alesis Philtre, which was part of their late lamented ModFX line. While it doesn't have MIDI sync, this fist-sized little box does have an LFO with a button for Tap Tempo. What's more, the Tap Tempo will autosense and sync to the tempo you're playing, if your tempo is within 15% of the range you originally tapped into it. So, for instance, if you tap in 112 bpm but you're actually playing at 115 bpm, the Philtre's tempo will automatically adjust. In Tempo Sync mode, the rate knob will also allow you to adjust the Philtre's speed to a multiple of the tempo (1/4x, 1/2x, 1x, 2x, 4x) as well. Filter types are low-, band-, and high-pass, as well as band-stop (notch). Although I don't own one myself, I've got the Akira (which is the Philtre's big brother, and uses the same algorithms itself), so I can vouch for the filters there sounding good. Best news is that you can usually scam them for around $50 USD. Worst news is that they're rather thin on the ground, so you'll have to look for a while before bumping into one. Also, if you're interested in beat-syncing similar sorts of "trigger gate" effects -- essentially doing the same effect with tremolo rather than a filter -- you should look at the Ampliton, from the same Alesis ModFX line. --m. -- _______ "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 10:00:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9E503BEDD; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YIjdlwO8p0HLYLj5/oCEEW2Z4sF7JxxPWyNkOXx8eL6ryc2iYBx/a703Dgh3PC7bjuyIqpljm4CUcZHBCdeW4xZ3AVBZIpxD/Z1+OvX/1xXPyKaKCwY3ulk6P9oyF2PcQCfWhX9pM0vHHd0j1YHtejk9obQDn4P2W9knh58zbMU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <000001c692c4$56ce16f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B7F78DF-1E43-480A-83B4-97AEE486E701@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: MySpace audio fidelity? Recommended upload mp3 compressing? Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:00:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Yesterday I created a MySpace page and uploaded a 128 mbps mp3 (Joint Stereo, no VBR - Variable Bit Rate). When listening back online it sounded awful! Crispy Telecaster notes coming down totally ugly as crashing egg shells. I remastered the piece and created a 320 kbps mp3 for upload. This, less compressed, file sounded good even after being mashed into MySpace's own streaming format. Now, I'm wondering if someone on this list have been experimenting more with different mp3 compressing for uploading at MySpace? I mean, I was successful at 320 kpbs but that's a rather huge file for downloading (although it sounds good as streaming). What about 192 kbps, how does that come out? Anyone? (I may have time for experimenting with this in a few days, but for now I would love to hear about someone else already having done that testing) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 11:52:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A7E3BEDD; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:53:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: [AH] stupid compression pedal question.. In-reply-to: <16213.194.83.236.250.1150744899.squirrel@maxproxy2.uk2net.com> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: analogue@hyperreal.org Message-id: <4497E1A2.5010900@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <16213.194.83.236.250.1150744899.squirrel@maxproxy2.uk2net.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Alex wrote: >>Assuming I'll at very least always have a distortion-> envelope >>filter->Delay/looper where is the best place for me to place the >>compression pedal? Does this change if I am using a different instrument >>(drum machine, bass, saxophone, whatever). >> >> >(Starting at the begining) the compression pedal will be for evening out >the dynamics, and possibly adding sustain. So in a small pedal set-up the >compression would go 1st for a good strong feed to a distotrion pedal etc. > But in this case - with the envelope follower I'd be tempted to put it >after that to even out any extreme pumping or peaks. > > Since there are multiple places in the chain to put a compressor for various reasons, some say to use multiple compressors. Since some recording engineers use slight compression when recording a track and slight compression on the same track during mixdown, this makes a kind of sense. This allows each compression operation to be as transparent as possible. In your application, it allows each compressor to be used in a slightly different way for different reasons. I have long been a fan of reverbing a reverb. I've chained up to three in a row! "Redundant" effects can yeild subtle to extreme results. Fun! Some guitarists even run a clean signal through a Fender amp while running a distorted signal through a Marshall half stack. It all boils down to flexibility and creativity to get unique sounds. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 14:51:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F01033BED6; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060620043211.98169.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060620043211.98169.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-709190596 Message-Id: <7d2e23d4238a5c75cc549c892ccafe4b@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: beatsync filters Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:51:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:51:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-709190596 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, I figured I'd jump Into this discussion sooner or later but I kept =20 putting it off. I have an Adrenalinn II (actually it's an Adrenalinn I with the =20 software upgrade to the ll's identical functionality). I have it in my smaller rig and =20= have been quite impressed with Roger Linn's genius for all that it does. It's pretty =20 darn small and there's an awful lot packed in there. I bought it from a fellow =20 looper on this list for a very reasonable price a year or two ago and have been =20= most happy. My only gripe with it would be that the programming is made somewhat =20 more difficult by the limited interface -- only a small LED readout and a very few =20 buttons and knobs that each control multiple functions and parameters at different =20= times. I'm not a programming genius and get discouraged when faced with knobs and buttons that have half a dozen possible uses each that you have to remember. But, I suppose that's how they made it all affordable. How I've been using it -- I run a second guitar signal path from the =20 "tuner" out of my main Ernie Ball Volume pedal to another EB volume pedal which =20 feeds the Adrenalinn II. Downstream from the Adrenalinn is an Alesis Bitrman and =20= an Ineko and the stereo output of all that goes to an AUX in on my amp. This way =20= I can can have either one (looping or Adrenalized) or both guitar signal =20 paths going whenever I want. The Bitrman and Ineko do some really sick, sick, sick =20= things to the output of the already pretty whacky Adrenalinn. And, with their =20= knobs and buttons I get some extra control and tweakage over the Adrenalinn's output in a live setting that would ordinarily not be feasible. I wish I had some MP3s to share of this. Well, actually I used it a =20 tiny bit at last year's Y2K5 fest. So, somewhere in the online recordings of that is =20 burried just a taste of what I'm talking about. However, you'd have to listen to =20 several minutes of me doing other things (struggling actually -- unsuccessfully, I'm =20 afraid, as it was not a very inspired evening for me) before I get around to playing with =20= the Linn device at all. Use your imagination. It's a lot of fun. And, I simply =20= keep the two signal paths (looping and Adrenalized) synced by setting them up with =20= similar BPM settings. It works pretty well, better than I imagined it would. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Candc Hoffman/Traxler wrote: > I've been seriously wanting an Adrenalinn II for the very same reasons = =20 > you are after and the website has a lot of good sound samples. I've =20= > tried to get the same effect by=A0recording control changes on my XL-7 = =20 > and running them to my Digitech GNX-3 and it works but its a time =20 > consuming endeavor and too=A0much stuff to hook up for=A0every gig. So = I =20 > think that the Adrenalinn II is a good combo unit with a small =20 > footprint.=A0 I just need to sell something before I justify buying =20= > another item.=A0 Ha! "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-4-709190596 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I figured I'd jump Into this discussion sooner or later but I kept putting it off. I have an Adrenalinn II (actually it's an Adrenalinn I with the software upgrade to the ll's identical functionality). I have it in my smaller rig and have been quite impressed with Roger Linn's genius for all that it does. It's pretty darn small=20 and there's an awful lot packed in there. I bought it from a fellow looper on this list for a very reasonable price a year or two ago and have been most happy.=20 My only gripe with it would be that the programming is made somewhat more difficult by the limited interface -- only a small LED readout and a very few buttons and=20 knobs that each control multiple functions and parameters at different times. I'm not a programming genius and get discouraged when faced with knobs and buttons that have half a dozen possible uses each that you have to=20= remember. But, I suppose that's how they made it all affordable. How I've been using it -- I run a second guitar signal path from the "tuner" out of my main Ernie Ball Volume pedal to another EB volume pedal which feeds the Adrenalinn II. Downstream from the Adrenalinn is an Alesis Bitrman and an Ineko and the stereo output of all that goes to an AUX in on my amp. This way I can=20 can have either one (looping or Adrenalized) or both guitar signal paths going=20 whenever I want. The Bitrman and Ineko do some really sick, sick, sick things to the output of the already pretty whacky Adrenalinn. And, with their knobs and buttons I get some extra control and tweakage over the Adrenalinn's=20 output in a live setting that would ordinarily not be feasible. I wish I had some MP3s to share of this. Well, actually I used it a tiny bit at last year's Y2K5 fest. So, somewhere in the online recordings of that is burried just a taste of what I'm talking about. However, you'd have to listen to several minutes of me doing other things (struggling actually -- unsuccessfully, I'm afraid, as it was=20 not a very inspired evening for me) before I get around to playing with the Linn=20 device at all. Use your imagination. It's a lot of fun. And, I simply keep the two=20 signal paths (looping and Adrenalized) synced by setting them up with similar BPM settings. It works pretty well, better than I imagined it would. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Candc Hoffman/Traxler wrote: I've been seriously wanting an Adrenalinn II for the very same reasons you are after and the website has a lot of good sound samples. I've tried to get the same effect by=A0recording control changes on my XL-7 and running them to my Digitech GNX-3 and it works but its a time consuming endeavor and too=A0much stuff to hook up for=A0every gig. So I think that the Adrenalinn II is a good combo unit with a small footprint.=A0 I just need to sell something before I justify buying another item.=A0 Ha! 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-4-709190596-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 17:05:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ACD53BED6; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hiromi From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard virtuoso heading her own fusion power trio? Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 17:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB193BEDC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15180424.1150824989936.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:36:29 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi Cc: johnsrude@peak.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:36:31 +0000 (UTC) She should get together with Kitaro for twice the amount of sucking. -- Paul Richards ---- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard virtuoso heading > her own fusion power trio? > > Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY > > Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 17:37:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54BA83BECD; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JgCcjR4Ut3g9iTogrMvxDMqErv19CqDYzbBsvSKI3NqDPIyTsZhsIf3btFiyZpBe0fIcs7jZ3Sfu5O8aN4SmgNRIofB+TLeF8XRr7190SeEGzXuO3u2xHphfzgNfkyt8+t+E4ay2lL3lp0Km34uy221NYJmd9kgj9hyfEb34KQo= ; Message-ID: <20060620173645.51612.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hiromi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:37:57 +0000 (UTC) I could play like that, I just don't want to. Er, I mean I could get my hair that big. Maybe. --- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead > keyboard virtuoso heading > her own fusion power trio? > > Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY > > Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 17:47:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE78B3BEE6; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Keq0DRgK9uOCsH67RHpAz9Tn6XDWPM4nVpEMaJ2kFi4RaA5D/8gxSF3dbsep5i1zpooHorvSfICWkB9xSFEjr8GPlram3BPXBluLLzIYwtI7zh99TyZYwpO00j7e+FRVKA68BKrwr8sSwzJrH0BcI/t1GAMIRhb9bVGJVMQfQ+0= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:47:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Hiromi From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Hiromi Thread-Index: AcaUkZIp0G0UiQCEEduguwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:47:22 +0000 (UTC) You guys are being too harsh!... I mean... Look at these responses from the site... Three people sayin the same thing COULDN't be wrong. :) Genius is an understatement. ViolinCyndee (2 weeks ago) Specatular!!!!!!!!!!!! Cyndee =20 mikesthong (1 week ago) thank you Does anybody know the guys playin' with her? T. On 6/20/06 1:05 PM, "johnsrude@peak.org" wrote: > Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard virtuoso he= ading > her own fusion power trio? >=20 > Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DokWg_6mhxWY >=20 > Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. >=20 > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 17:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76A063BEDA; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ycK4kQA0OTwMicWvvQ001rqI/j+dHbZWDQ4GkkQiVWGwJ9JNBNcMX2opA2mBFGZfNNI5svZWJQYX1HYYSUK5SIdhHkYOzpPGiMvANWsz772Ruqf38K1Uiw9dZMhJCQsdoBxxl7XANafPL++nfH/T0cTELilDS67tAirDCcg3P6E= ; Message-ID: <20060620175334.30294.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: beatsync filters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7d2e23d4238a5c75cc549c892ccafe4b@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Ted, I wish my playing was as good as your struggling! While we're on this topic, I got and set up a laptop running Reaktor 5 last night. HOLY SHIT. I'm floored. The idea that I can actually make stuff like this is mind boggling. My plan is to set up a laptop looper like Per's but last night I used it like a virtual synth/effects processor. Amazingly powerful. Can't spend $300 (I found it on line at scit scat music for that http://www.scitscat.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/798) there seems to be a stand alone product called Electronic Instruments that has a sampling of what it does (can't make your own) http://www.scitscat.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/128 Anyway, if you've got a good laptop/computer and you're willing to have a look it seems like an amazing way to get a lot of loop mangling done. Mark --- tEd � kiLLiAn wrote: > I wish I had some MP3s to share of this. Well, > actually I used it a > tiny bit at last > year's Y2K5 fest. So, somewhere in the online > recordings of that is > burried just > a taste of what I'm talking about. However, you'd > have to listen to > several minutes > of me doing other things (struggling actually -- > unsuccessfully, I'm > afraid, as it was > not a very inspired evening for me) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:09:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A05F3BEDE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Hiromi Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:09:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hiromi Thread-Index: AcaUkEXOccG7hw8ZRtCsXyl8TYPItwABDDWA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2006 18:09:52.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA1978E0:01C69494] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Boring. I stopped at 1:52 and would bet buckets of cash it changed no more than a whit in the remaining 5 minutes. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi I could play like that, I just don't want to. Er, I mean I could get my hair that big. Maybe. --- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead > keyboard virtuoso heading > her own fusion power trio? >=20 > Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi?=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DokWg_6mhxWY >=20 > Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. >=20 > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:10:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02DC53BEE7; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17797494.1150826998692.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:09:58 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi Cc: Todd Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Well - she WAS hot-looking. I thought I saw someone who looked like her on = Consumption-Junction.com. -- Paul Richards ---- Todd Reynolds wrote:=20 > You guys are being too harsh!... I mean... >=20 > Look at these responses from the site... Three people sayin the same thin= g > COULDN't be wrong. :) >=20 > Genius is an understatement. >=20 > ViolinCyndee (2 weeks ago) > Specatular!!!!!!!!!!!! > Cyndee > =20 > mikesthong (1 week ago) > thank you >=20 > Does anybody know the guys playin' with her? >=20 > T. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 6/20/06 1:05 PM, "johnsrude@peak.org" wrote: >=20 > > Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard virtuoso = heading > > her own fusion power trio? > >=20 > > Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DokWg_6mhxWY > >=20 > > Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Kevin > > www.TheNettles.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > ----- > =C2=B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=C2=B2 - Trevor Exter >=20 > =C2=B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to t= he > creative part of sound=C2=B2 - Ornette Coleman > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > ------=20 > Todd Reynolds > 42-09 47th Ave 1C > Sunnyside, NY 11104 > =20 > Ph. 718 392-3773 > Mob. 917 576-6166 > Fax 419 781-5502 > =20 > http://www.toddreynolds.com >=20 >=20 > todd@toddreynolds.com > 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) > AIM ID: toddreyn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0CC53BEDD; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15180424.1150824989936.JavaMail.root@web20> References: <15180424.1150824989936.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:10:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Hiromi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Only twice? I would think the relationship should be exponential. That would be 4x the suckage. Or, since we're talking reincarnation, shouldn't we take into account how much they sucked during their past lives too...? ;) --m. At 10:36 AM -0700 6/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: >She should get together with Kitaro for twice the amount of sucking. >-- >Paul Richards > >---- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard >>virtuoso heading >> her own fusion power trio? >> >> Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY >> >> Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> www.TheNettles.com >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:12:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C9FA3BEEC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Hiromi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:12:41 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/20/2006 02:13:31 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC) I haven't watched the clip, so I'm not sure- but are you guys kidding? Hiromi is amazingly talented. mech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 06/20/2006 02:10 PM cc: Please respond to Subject: Re: Hiromi Loopers-Delight Only twice? I would think the relationship should be exponential. That would be 4x the suckage. Or, since we're talking reincarnation, shouldn't we take into account how much they sucked during their past lives too...? ;) --m. At 10:36 AM -0700 6/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: >She should get together with Kitaro for twice the amount of sucking. >-- >Paul Richards > >---- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >> Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard >>virtuoso heading >> her own fusion power trio? >> >> Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY >> >> Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. >> >> Cheers, >> Kevin >> www.TheNettles.com >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:13:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D5F3BEF4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QKre2SSsYs/fGR+svoPwOybuXyhbVX03ict3mm1tYNdTaJk5i130+UOhD20pf2opN/S2gROwVc+aat7ithoBOzvX1r8C2P/UYT2sPYHk4QqZWrh7hpeHRZyRRChGnseTPeK0+6AzdYoIgpgtMLwaZOdzsBd+X+qPpLeLefHICQ4= Message-ID: <913728d60606201113n7a775b93w8958164fe6a8d908@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:13:05 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MySpace audio fidelity? Recommended upload mp3 compressing? In-Reply-To: <2B7F78DF-1E43-480A-83B4-97AEE486E701@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c692c4$56ce16f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <2B7F78DF-1E43-480A-83B4-97AEE486E701@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:13:06 +0000 (UTC) i had the same problem...if you listen to the song "concave" on my myspace page, the real low notes sound really distorted, and when i recorded it, they weren't that way :) i emailed myspace about this about 2-3 days ago, and they haven't gotten back to me yet... Charlie On 6/20/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Yesterday I created a MySpace page and uploaded a 128 mbps mp3 (Joint > Stereo, no VBR - Variable Bit Rate). When listening back online it > sounded awful! Crispy Telecaster notes coming down totally ugly as > crashing egg shells. I remastered the piece and created a 320 kbps > mp3 for upload. This, less compressed, file sounded good even after > being mashed into MySpace's own streaming format. > > Now, I'm wondering if someone on this list have been experimenting > more with different mp3 compressing for uploading at MySpace? I mean, > I was successful at 320 kpbs but that's a rather huge file for > downloading (although it sounds good as streaming). What about 192 > kbps, how does that come out? Anyone? > > (I may have time for experimenting with this in a few days, but for > now I would love to hear about someone else already having done that > testing) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:19:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F4CB3BEF6; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6TURxo5K5g3u+zKZQliFX3QmjdPo/5zJUkECMQ5MH4MQzCg2TSRuzf727O6HvpEouki01UX3qOn3ZHQJEIvkF4B6PXQ/tNXTlNG5KBw3P+a5jIacD++Gdk9uGR+O8TQPUrZnVNjhdeNkB0Vibicc8NwOZo5SBJCiuV4p0C4yIB8= ; Message-ID: <20060620181858.33037.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: beatsync filters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:19:02 +0000 (UTC) I also find the Line6 Pro line to be pretty good when it comes to such things. I have the Filter Pro and while I wouldn't put it next to a high quality analog filter I find it does a lot for the cash and is MIDI or Tap tempo syncable. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C4433BEE6; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3XwznonNP5pg+/O7XEsaWGRnghjSLODD/Wh3Zg3JnmOd6GW9u6HBKbkpSXKq4wqACcjeBY2aU/XWAt53gOv2GdHsCkl9j9ebxp7lf574+e3bpgGBf50qFBtOCWBbY8WQOXHmast9mFlxuudCroaVjtSKanMjUv/6sKHsHY8sQFw= ; Message-ID: <20060620182022.87498.qmail@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Hey y'all... Todd Reynolds in Oakland To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-69824518-1150827622=:87491" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-rz0rD.A.OlH.nxDmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:20:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-69824518-1150827622=:87491 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When you see Terry, tell him thanks for writing "In C". I had the pleasure of performing it back in March. I know Terry said that 35 players for it is ideal but I've wondered if some ridiculously small number of loopers could do it with the same effect... ted harms. Todd Reynolds wrote: How’s everybody doin’? I have no idea how I got completely unsubscribed, but I did. Like months ago! And somehow, I just let it all happen. But no more. I’m back. Anyway, I’ll be in Oakland from the 19th to 24th and will be looping at the Garden of Memory concert at the Chapel of the Chimes on Wednesday, the 21st of June from 5-9, intermittently. Terry Riley and I will also be doing a little playing together, just a little improvisation time for the two of us during that same concert. So if you’re in oakland, give a shout, and/or come by the concert and say hi. I enjoy very much meeting people from the list whenever it happens. I’ll have to dive into the archives to see what’s been goin’ down in this, one of my favorite corners of cyberspace! But I’m back on now. Woohoo! All best to all. Todd Reynolds --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter “Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-69824518-1150827622=:87491 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
When you see Terry, tell him thanks for writing "In C".  I had the pleasure of performing it back in March.
 
I know Terry said that 35 players for it is ideal but I've wondered if some ridiculously small number of loopers could do it with the same effect...
 
 
ted harms.

Todd Reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com> wrote:
How’s everybody doin’?

I have no idea how I got completely unsubscribed, but I did.  Like months ago!  

And somehow, I just let it all happen.  But no more.  I’m back.

Anyway, I’ll be in Oakland from the 19th to 24th and will be looping at the Garden of Memory concert at the Chapel of the Chimes on Wednesday, the 21st of June from 5-9, intermittently.  

Terry Riley and I will also be doing a little playing together, just a little improvisation time for the two of us during that same concert.  So if you’re in oakland, give a shout, and/or come by the concert and say hi.  I enjoy very much meeting people from the list whenever it happens.  

I’ll have to dive into the archives to see what’s been goin’ down in this, one of my favorite corners of cyberspace!

But I’m back on now.  Woohoo!

All best to all.

Todd Reynolds


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“Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter

“Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
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Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.   917 576-6166
Fax    419 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com


todd@toddreynolds.com
9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
AIM ID: toddreyn



Do you Yahoo!?
Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-69824518-1150827622=:87491-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:25:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B06BE3BEF4; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:25:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Hiromi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:25:37 +0000 (UTC) At 2:12 PM -0400 6/20/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: >I haven't watched the clip, so I'm not sure- but are you guys kidding? > >Hiromi is amazingly talented. She is amazingly technically adept, I'll give her that. However, just because you *can* play lebenty-bazillion notes in the span of a half-second, doesn't necessarily mean you *should*. If I want to listen to that, I'll grab a cup of coffee and go hang out in the lobby of my local Guitar Center. This is the only clip I've seen of her work, though, so maybe other examples are better. The best parts of this video sound like a pale tip-of-the-hat to Keith Emerson's "Tarkus". I also tossed most of my ELP records out quite some time ago, however. As with all matters of taste, YMMV.... --m. -- _______ "I'm wasting time worrying about wasting time." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:26:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33EF3BEF0; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1557.128.193.37.230.1150827967.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: <15180424.1150824989936.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Hiromi From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:26:08 +0000 (UTC) ---- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >>> Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard virtuoso heading her own fusion power trio? <<< Hrmmm. Evidently not. Well, just "keep banging those rocks together, guys!" For the rest of you, Peter Kirn of CreateDigitalMusic and Keyboard magazine has kindly put together a collection of links and tutorials at: http://tinyurl.com/jzftw [If you're reading, Peter, forgive me. I cross-posted and have been duly punished for it.] Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6F83BEDA; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <16849983.1150829083543.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:44:43 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi Cc: mech MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (I'll grab a cup of coffee and go hang out in the lobby of my local Guitar Center) I've been meaning to bring a pair of earplugs with me on my future visits to the Guitar Center. What a cacophony of electric guitar noise! (I also tossed most of my ELP records out quite some time ago, however) For me, ELP hasn't held up over time. I've tried listening to their work more than once the past few years, and while some of their stuff is still good, much is overblown, mile-a-minute aimless noodling (as opposed to direction'ed noodling). -- Paul Richards ---- mech wrote: > At 2:12 PM -0400 6/20/06, Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > >I haven't watched the clip, so I'm not sure- but are you guys kidding? > > > >Hiromi is amazingly talented. > > She is amazingly technically adept, I'll give her that. However, > just because you *can* play lebenty-bazillion notes in the span of a > half-second, doesn't necessarily mean you *should*. If I want to > listen to that, I'll grab a cup of coffee and go hang out in the > lobby of my local Guitar Center. > > This is the only clip I've seen of her work, though, so maybe other > examples are better. The best parts of this video sound like a pale > tip-of-the-hat to Keith Emerson's "Tarkus". I also tossed most of my > ELP records out quite some time ago, however. As with all matters of > taste, YMMV.... > > --m. > -- > _______ > "I'm wasting time worrying about wasting time." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:48:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08EC23BEDF; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:48:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Effector13 PEEP... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0JDHPC.A.SbB.zLEmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, I came across this while looking for new toys on the Effector 13 site. http://www.effector13.com/pedals/peep/index.html It's basically just a simple photo-electric cell boxed up so that it can be plugged into the expression pedal jack on most effects (amongst other things). Best part is that Devi Ever is currently considering them in "experimental" phase, so he's offering them at a special tester's price of a mere $20 (shipping included). Kewl! I've got one on order, and can hardly wait to see how (or even if) it works with my Lex Vortex, as well as my other effect pedals and perhaps even the VG-8. Looks like a lot of fun for those of us with no soldering skill ourselves. Dig! --m. -- _______ "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 18:59:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A57D3BEDB; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eRLYA6IiHgiI5LngO4f2UZ3suSdvvH74axqhSal2BxKepodP98MpHk9koXVDb7SZg21BHkn1U/OqQTxOKblBqGNBLkn2HZ7MqK+gkYduM/k9ocDALlk2sr7P5MNv092w+lxlyDihWhQa66khKQEFkeIoCZPDN6CQMPrxnn2D6bU= Message-ID: <64b81a780606201158x4658b1aex5a9a45cc4de6baa1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:58:58 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effector13 PEEP... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Let me know how it goes. I've got a Vortex too and would love to play with one of these. Todd On 6/20/06, mech wrote: > Hey guys, > > I came across this while looking for new toys on the Effector 13 site. > > http://www.effector13.com/pedals/peep/index.html > > It's basically just a simple photo-electric cell boxed up so that it > can be plugged into the expression pedal jack on most effects > (amongst other things). > > Best part is that Devi Ever is currently considering them in > "experimental" phase, so he's offering them at a special tester's > price of a mere $20 (shipping included). Kewl! > > I've got one on order, and can hardly wait to see how (or even if) it > works with my Lex Vortex, as well as my other effect pedals and > perhaps even the VG-8. > > Looks like a lot of fun for those of us with no soldering skill > ourselves. Dig! > > --m. > -- > _______ > "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk > librarian who won't shut up..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 19:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C3BA3BEE2; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oPj63MayGiacm7+lb2fCIkPcDoJtTjbXsha+U8Pv4IsikBpuOL+WyhU+FkmETV7srrENHybO7d3chk/eRd3uH427EJ5S1qQJgLDwWRPXXy1EX5kGIbGxpTu/R1y4BjcJJV1j9vbA5W0vysfBqL0wSL2U95DtDmvYg8tZ4EMFTNM= ; Message-ID: <20060620190115.37793.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:01:15 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: beatsync filters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-641533106-1150830075=:36432" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:01:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-641533106-1150830075=:36432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi and thanks ! The Akai is not easy to find out there, but the filterfactory is. Are there anyone who know if the filter-factory is able to make realtime adjustment via midi on the subdevisions and lfo ect. Sorry for my bad english. Rune F Per Boysen skrev: On 19 jun 2006, at 15.30, rune fagereng wrote: > Any thoughts on electrix filter v.s akai ? Yes. My thoughts are that the manuals may reveal how useful each filter may be to you. I went for the Akai because one was available on a good price. I downloaded the manual and saw that I should be able to do enough of what I wanted with it, so I went for it. I have not read up on the electrix filter though. But I have tried them out in other peoples studios and know that they sound great. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-641533106-1150830075=:36432 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi and thanks !
 
The Akai is not easy to find out there, but the filterfactory is. Are there anyone who know if the filter-factory is able to make realtime adjustment via midi on the subdevisions and lfo ect.
 
Sorry for my bad english.
 
Rune F 

Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
On 19 jun 2006, at 15.30, rune fagereng wrote:

> Any thoughts on electrix filter v.s akai ?

Yes. My thoughts are that the manuals may reveal how useful each
filter may be to you. I went for the Akai because one was available
on a good price. I downloaded the manual and saw that I should be
able to do enough of what I wanted with it, so I went for it. I have
not read up on the electrix filter though. But I have tried them out
in other peoples studios and know that they sound great.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)







www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-641533106-1150830075=:36432-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 19:12:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA8A63BEE2; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060620190115.37793.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060620190115.37793.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <14883f5e5b20a01527e710cd4dcc2557@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: CD Release.... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:12:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:06 +0000 (UTC) My new CD, ZUGZWANG, with guitarist Tom McNalley is finally up and=20 available at http://www.pfmentum.com/ All quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar with lots of live=20 processing. There is a free 12 minute track you can download for a taste. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 19:20:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF8C53BEDE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:20:46 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: CD Release.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44984A8E.6070400@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAIfnl0SBTg References: <20060620190115.37793.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14883f5e5b20a01527e710cd4dcc2557@pfmentum.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: <9Zwh7D.A.BLE.VqEmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > My new CD, ZUGZWANG, with guitarist Tom McNalley is finally up and > available at > http://www.pfmentum.com/ > > All quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar with lots of live > processing. > > There is a free 12 minute track you can download for a taste. Cool, Jeff. Looking forward to checking it out. Andrew > > > best, > > Jeff > > > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 19:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 063993BEFC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060620175334.30294.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620175334.30294.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: beatsync filters Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:25:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Electronic Instruments is an add-on pack of Reaktor Ensembles for =20 Reaktor users. As a registered user the online reaktor user library is a HUGE resource. - b On Jun 20, 2006, at 1:53 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Ted, I wish my playing was as good as your struggling! > > While we're on this topic, I got and set up a laptop > running Reaktor 5 last night. HOLY SHIT. I'm > floored. The idea that I can actually make stuff like > this is mind boggling. My plan is to set up a laptop > looper like Per's but last night I used it like a > virtual synth/effects processor. Amazingly powerful. > Can't spend $300 (I found it on line at scit scat > music for that > http://www.scitscat.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/798) > there seems to be a stand alone product called > Electronic Instruments that has a sampling of what it > does (can't make your own) > http://www.scitscat.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/128 > > Anyway, if you've got a good laptop/computer and > you're willing to have a look it seems like an amazing > way to get a lot of loop mangling done. > > > Mark > > --- tEd =EF=BF=BD kiLLiAn wrote: > > >> I wish I had some MP3s to share of this. Well, >> actually I used it a >> tiny bit at last >> year's Y2K5 fest. So, somewhere in the online >> recordings of that is >> burried just >> a taste of what I'm talking about. However, you'd >> have to listen to >> several minutes >> of me doing other things (struggling actually -- >> unsuccessfully, I'm >> afraid, as it was >> not a very inspired evening for me) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 19:50:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73BD53BEDB; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03e101c694a2$bd63e090$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060620190115.37793.qmail@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <14883f5e5b20a01527e710cd4dcc2557@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: CD Release.... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:50:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Right up my alley, Jeff. Thanks....listening to the monsterous clip right now to generate the appropriate frame of mind for my next conference call.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: CD Release.... My new CD, ZUGZWANG, with guitarist Tom McNalley is finally up and available at http://www.pfmentum.com/ All quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar with lots of live processing. There is a free 12 minute track you can download for a taste. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 20:23:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97363BEB9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:23:29 -0600 Message-Id: <200606202023.k5KKNTu16651@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: FilterFactory midi X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:23:28 +0000 (UTC) > > Hi and thanks ! > > The Akai is not easy to find out there, but the filterfactory is. Are there anyone who know if the filter-factory is able to make realtime adjustment via midi on the subdevisions and lfo ect. Yes, as far as I know you can change every parameter via midi. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 20:32:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15A1B3BEE7; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:31:24 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Effector13 PEEP... X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J266f.40a3S.4f96M" Message-Id: <20060620.133138.6134.183892@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1375303587 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5EeiDTUcsfiByMXEIIOKUcJBzy8Q+ZrN7A== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.146|webmail06.nyc.untd.com|webmail06.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:32:02 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J266f.40a3S.4f96M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Wow I love this kind of effect. I had to order one! Looks like fun and= I just got my first vortex too! ----__JWM__J266f.40a3S.4f96M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html Wow I love this kind of effect.  I had to order one!  Lo= oks like fun and I just got my first vortex too! ----__JWM__J266f.40a3S.4f96M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 20:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 372723BEEE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:35:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:35:48 -0700 Subject: Re: CD Release.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <14883f5e5b20a01527e710cd4dcc2557@pfmentum.com> Message-Id: <5B2D9F73-009C-11DB-8FD9-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.285 () NO_REAL_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:35:50 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday, June 20, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > My new CD, ZUGZWANG, with guitarist Tom McNalley is finally up and > available at > http://www.pfmentum.com/ > > All quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar with lots of live > processing. > > There is a free 12 minute track you can download for a taste. > > Is that the same Tom McNalley that used to live in Portland? If so, say hi for me, I saw him many, many times in Dave Storr's various bands. Great player! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 20:53:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FAB33BEEE; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <5B2D9F73-009C-11DB-8FD9-000A95A5D158@peak.org> References: <5B2D9F73-009C-11DB-8FD9-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <65e75c20c88d471faa13fb938d8b109b@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: CD Release.... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:52:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Yes it is...I will say hi....but give me your name! jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 20, 2006, at 1:35 PM, improv@peak.org wrote: > On Tuesday, June 20, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> My new CD, ZUGZWANG, with guitarist Tom McNalley is finally up and=20 >> available at >> http://www.pfmentum.com/ >> >> All quarter-tone trumpet and electric guitar with lots of live=20 >> processing. >> >> There is a free 12 minute track you can download for a taste. >> >> > Is that the same Tom McNalley that used to live in Portland? If so,=20 > say hi for me, I saw him many, many times in Dave Storr's various=20 > bands. Great player! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 21:15:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4983BED9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2183.128.193.37.230.1150838146.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Silent Switches From: johnsrude@peak.org To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Here's a question for the LD hive mind: What relatively inexpensive signal switches and latching XLR on/off switches are there out there? I'm looking for stuff that's foot operated. Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 21:46:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12DD43BED3; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hnvOlpZyo8U2+ASJxCINOigTPnN0HNl/uG6bvj7beROnPaGfMqe0zKuj42bAg8Hu4cZclL/rMPy4mSBvEizedAhmx90vjavCavnWMHnVNLkyX8RuMWgNzCvk1TMQuKJVpzMoFkHYXEPsfT7pEW74o3RRm8vv9SENeibTqAc+A1Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060620173645.51612.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060620173645.51612.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2788AFAA-CCC6-44F3-8B5B-E3C547E35476@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:46:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <0hHJjB.A.A9E.CzGmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:46:43 +0000 (UTC) On 20 jun 2006, at 19.36, mark sottilaro wrote: > I could play like that, I just don't want to. Er, I > mean I could get my hair that big. Maybe. Interesting comment, Mark. But don't you think she was a bit lame on that video? I mean, she didn't even stab the keyboard with a huge knife!!!! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 22:24:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C1E03BEE0; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2183.128.193.37.230.1150838146.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <2183.128.193.37.230.1150838146.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-736387575 Message-Id: <6c076ba4938bff40b1198db4f8b8d62a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Silent Switches Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:24:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:24:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-736387575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Do you know of Bob Bradshaw? I saw Xavier Rudd using his switching system for a VERY complex setup and it worked marvels. Don't think it's real cheap, though... but he can build you custom units tailored to your needs. Xavier's guitar tech (James Looker) said they'd tried everything and it was the only thing that worked as needed without glitch. Here's the URL to Bob's stuff: http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/ Here's Xav's site. Not a looper, but you'd SWEAR he was looping live. The music you hear on his site when it loads is him live. A very good one man band. Pretty cool. www.xavierrudd.com Happy motoring richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Jun-06, at 2:15 PM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > Hi, > > Here's a question for the LD hive mind: > > What relatively inexpensive signal switches and latching XLR on/off > switches > are there out there? I'm looking for stuff that's foot operated. > > Thanks, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > --Apple-Mail-2-736387575 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Do you know of Bob Bradshaw? I saw Xavier Rudd using his switching system for a VERY complex setup and it worked marvels. Don't think it's real cheap, though... but he can build you custom units tailored to your needs. Xavier's guitar tech (James Looker) said they'd tried everything and it was the only thing that worked as needed without glitch. Here's the URL to Bob's stuff: http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/ Here's Xav's site. Not a looper, but you'd SWEAR he was looping live. The music you hear on his site when it loads is him live. A very good one man band. Pretty cool. www.xavierrudd.com Happy motoring Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 20-Jun-06, at 2:15 PM, johnsrude@peak.org wrote: Hi, Here's a question for the LD hive mind: What relatively inexpensive signal switches and latching XLR on/off switches are there out there? I'm looking for stuff that's foot operated. Thanks, Kevin www.TheNettles.com --Apple-Mail-2-736387575-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 23:22:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3AFB3BEE0; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kEBFs3dhzLlV+WeptucsU2uxTFA7e3HG93OMGJHCDN+p0LzdpX5F0CEaZHBt5U4wv57psyg4rcZqahc1VttYBbILp7MzwuO/vb+8fT5JX+4KWkj/jo+Mlgt0bv1ToovKTpdsASofAosAvFhW5KUxsU6nnySG8cQDpoEk8w3Zq5c= ; Message-ID: <20060620232241.15600.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: beatsync filters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:22:43 +0000 (UTC) I believe they now work as stand alones too. --- Brian Cass wrote: > Electronic Instruments is an add-on pack of Reaktor > Ensembles for > Reaktor users. > As a registered user the online reaktor user library > is a HUGE resource. > > - b > > > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 1:53 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Ted, I wish my playing was as good as your > struggling! > > > > While we're on this topic, I got and set up a > laptop > > running Reaktor 5 last night. HOLY SHIT. I'm > > floored. The idea that I can actually make stuff > like > > this is mind boggling. My plan is to set up a > laptop > > looper like Per's but last night I used it like a > > virtual synth/effects processor. Amazingly > powerful. > > Can't spend $300 (I found it on line at scit scat > > music for that > > > http://www.scitscat.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/798) > > there seems to be a stand alone product called > > Electronic Instruments that has a sampling of what > it > > does (can't make your own) > > > http://www.scitscat.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/128 > > > > Anyway, if you've got a good laptop/computer and > > you're willing to have a look it seems like an > amazing > > way to get a lot of loop mangling done. > > > > > > Mark > > > > --- tEd � kiLLiAn > wrote: > > > > > >> I wish I had some MP3s to share of this. Well, > >> actually I used it a > >> tiny bit at last > >> year's Y2K5 fest. So, somewhere in the online > >> recordings of that is > >> burried just > >> a taste of what I'm talking about. However, you'd > >> have to listen to > >> several minutes > >> of me doing other things (struggling actually -- > >> unsuccessfully, I'm > >> afraid, as it was > >> not a very inspired evening for me) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 20 23:25:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85D9F3BEE6; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oFpARYzNvXOAX19kvEYVd2W3SME47hf0I0DzBVXWcfdhYJ+5aY7jFR8h5DJ+Tss/tEE7YLx9dLDjP75BdG+GFuMC6qyzr7iD91twtW/LNFuAjadnZEkG3yh43UjlfHAVsLtPNHj2ozrTAGohaZF4IpL3Pn4z+K0mfm2nllYjxNU= ; Message-ID: <20060620232450.1258.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hiromi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2788AFAA-CCC6-44F3-8B5B-E3C547E35476@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:25:03 +0000 (UTC) True, and I can't believe they were so skimpy on the dry ice. --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 20 jun 2006, at 19.36, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > I could play like that, I just don't want to. Er, > I > > mean I could get my hair that big. Maybe. > > Interesting comment, Mark. But don't you think she > was a bit lame on > that video? I mean, she didn't even stab the > keyboard with a huge > knife!!!! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 03:23:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0A7C3BECD; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:23:13 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 21st June 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 21st June 06 ============================= << Special Program "OFFICIAL BOOTLEG" >> Noize Creator (Suburban Trash Industries) Japan Tour 2006 Live at Noon,Osaka 1st May 2006 (47:25) Live at Big Apple,Kobe 5th May 2006 (54:09) Live at Canolfan,Nagoya 6th May 2006 (27:01) Live at Otoya,Kobe 7th May 2006 (37:30) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 03:45:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 626703BEE0; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2967.69.155.51.194.1150861539.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:45:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Hiromi From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:45:18 +0000 (UTC) I agree... I really enjoyed the clip. I did almost lose it a little way in, but then they totally took off in another direction... I guess it's not popular to think so, but I thought it was genius! The bassist is amazing. --Josh > I haven't watched the clip, so I'm not sure- but are you guys kidding? > > Hiromi is amazingly talented. > > > > > mech To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > 06/20/2006 02:10 PM cc: > Please respond to Subject: Re: Hiromi > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > Only twice? I would think the relationship should be exponential. > That would be 4x the suckage. > > Or, since we're talking reincarnation, shouldn't we take into account > how much they sucked during their past lives too...? > > ;) > --m. > > > At 10:36 AM -0700 6/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: >>She should get together with Kitaro for twice the amount of sucking. >>-- >>Paul Richards >> >>---- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >>> Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard >>>virtuoso heading >>> her own fusion power trio? >>> >>> Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY >>> >>> Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kevin >>> www.TheNettles.com >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 03:46:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D607D3BEE6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <050901c694e5$52c54740$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, boisemusicians@yahoogroups.com Subject: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:46:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:46:51 +0000 (UTC) Any takers? It's a beauty. http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 04:15:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B22C03BEDE; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3222.69.155.51.194.1150863329.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <050901c694e5$52c54740$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <050901c694e5$52c54740$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:15:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:15:07 +0000 (UTC) [Drools...] If only I had money! --Josh > Any takers? It's a beauty. > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 04:19:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 094E33BED3; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,158,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="188549281:sNHT16652974" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <050901c694e5$52c54740$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <050901c694e5$52c54740$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5a22a49b07189c3beaeda009b3a0fed1@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:19:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3zNDFB.A.aaB.8iMmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Kris, 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors you mentioned on the list the other day however. Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. But a really good processor (or two) with some new creative potential sounds attractive. Anything more you care to say about them? Ted On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Any takers? It's a beauty. > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 04:36:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 896DF3BEE6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <053101c694ec$31196b60$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <050901c694e5$52c54740$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5a22a49b07189c3beaeda009b3a0fed1@charter.net> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:35:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <2YoYhC.A.h8B.yyMmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube 30 because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of effects...anybody have one? My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb, and the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box. It is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to get inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get some interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box. I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need to give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red boxes. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Kris, > > 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. > I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors > you mentioned on the list the other day however. > > Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. > But a really good processor (or two) with some new > creative potential sounds attractive. > > Anything more you care to say about them? > > Ted > > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Any takers? It's a beauty. >> >> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >> >> Kris >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 04:48:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 184193BEE8; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: NEARFest Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <009f01c694ed$e4db38d0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C694CC.5DC998D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060620173631.063263BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaUkBXiVrvVD/bAS7KGRwoCEAbawQAXZMZA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:48:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C694CC.5DC998D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick note, if anybody on the list is going to the NEARFest festival in Bethlehem this weekend (besides Bill Fox, I know about you. ;) ), I'll be there all weekend if you want to get together. Drop me a line, Tony ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C694CC.5DC998D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a quick note, if anybody on = the list is going to the NEARFest festival in Bethlehem this weekend (besides Bill Fox, I know about you. ;) ), I’ll be = there all weekend if you want to get together.

 

Drop me a = line,

 

Tony

------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C694CC.5DC998D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 04:48:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FCD63BEF1; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: "=?us-ascii?Q?'tEd_R_kiLLiAn'?=" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Adrenalinn (was beatsync filters) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00a401c694ed$e5467dc0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C694CC.5E34DDC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7d2e23d4238a5c75cc549c892ccafe4b@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaU59/f3Rguwuv7RLeq9kAm93wIOAABQfTQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:48:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C694CC.5E34DDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >My only gripe with it would be that the programming is made somewhat more difficult >by the limited interface -- only a small LED readout and a very few buttons and You do realize that there is free programming software for the Adrenalinn, right? I have one too and I love the bugger. Some of the NINJAM songs I did with Kris were done with it. The new M-Audio Black Box does much of the same things the Adrenalinn does - since Roger helped design it. I'll also put a good word in for the ModFX toys if you can find them. I have 6 of them and they are very cool. Get them if you can! Tony _____ From: tEd R kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: beatsync filters Hi all, I figured I'd jump Into this discussion sooner or later but I kept putting it off. I have an Adrenalinn II (actually it's an Adrenalinn I with the software upgrade to the ll's identical functionality). I have it in my smaller rig and have been quite impressed with Roger Linn's genius for all that it does. It's pretty darn small and there's an awful lot packed in there. I bought it from a fellow looper on this list for a very reasonable price a year or two ago and have been most happy. My only gripe with it would be that the programming is made somewhat more difficult by the limited interface -- only a small LED readout and a very few buttons and knobs that each control multiple functions and parameters at different times. I'm not a programming genius and get discouraged when faced with knobs and buttons that have half a dozen possible uses each that you have to remember. But, I suppose that's how they made it all affordable. How I've been using it -- I run a second guitar signal path from the "tuner" out of my main Ernie Ball Volume pedal to another EB volume pedal which feeds the Adrenalinn II. Downstream from the Adrenalinn is an Alesis Bitrman and an Ineko and the stereo output of all that goes to an AUX in on my amp. This way I can can have either one (looping or Adrenalized) or both guitar signal paths going whenever I want. The Bitrman and Ineko do some really sick, sick, sick things to the output of the already pretty whacky Adrenalinn. And, with their knobs and buttons I get some extra control and tweakage over the Adrenalinn's output in a live setting that would ordinarily not be feasible. I wish I had some MP3s to share of this. Well, actually I used it a tiny bit at last year's Y2K5 fest. So, somewhere in the online recordings of that is burried just a taste of what I'm talking about. However, you'd have to listen to several minutes of me doing other things (struggling actually -- unsuccessfully, I'm afraid, as it was not a very inspired evening for me) before I get around to playing with the Linn device at all. Use your imagination. It's a lot of fun. And, I simply keep the two signal paths (looping and Adrenalized) synced by setting them up with similar BPM settings. It works pretty well, better than I imagined it would. Cheers, tEd R kiLLiAn On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Candc Hoffman/Traxler wrote: I've been seriously wanting an Adrenalinn II for the very same reasons you are after and the website has a lot of good sound samples. I've tried to get the same effect by recording control changes on my XL-7 and running them to my Digitech GNX-3 and it works but its a time consuming endeavor and too much stuff to hook up for every gig. So I think that the Adrenalinn II is a good combo unit with a small footprint. I just need to sell something before I justify buying another item. Ha! "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121 197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C694CC.5E34DDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>My only gripe with it would be that the programming is made somewhat more difficult
>by the limited interface -- only a small LED readout and a very few = buttons and

 

You do realize that there is free = programming software for the Adrenalinn, right?

 

I have one too and I love the = bugger.  Some of the NINJAM songs I did  with Kris were done with it.  =

 

The new M-Audio Black Box does much = of the same things the Adrenalinn does – since Roger helped design = it.

 

I’ll also put a good word in = for the ModFX toys if you can find them.  I have 6 of them and they are = very cool.  Get them if you can!

 

Tony

 

From: tEd = ® kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, = 2006 10:51 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: beatsync = filters

 

Hi all,

I figured I'd jump Into this discussion sooner or later but I kept = putting it off.

I have an Adrenalinn II (actually it's an Adrenalinn I with the software upgrade
to the ll's identical functionality). I have it in my smaller rig and = have been quite
impressed with Roger Linn's genius for all that it does. It's pretty = darn small
and there's an awful lot packed in there. I bought it from a fellow = looper on
this list for a very reasonable price a year or two ago and have been = most happy.
My only gripe with it would be that the programming is made somewhat = more difficult
by the limited interface -- only a small LED readout and a very few = buttons and
knobs that each control multiple functions and parameters at different = times.
I'm not a programming genius and get discouraged when faced with = knobs
and buttons that have half a dozen possible uses each that you have to =
remember. But, I suppose that's how they made it all affordable.

How I've been using it -- I run a second guitar signal path from the "tuner" out
of my main Ernie Ball Volume pedal to another EB volume pedal which = feeds the
Adrenalinn II. Downstream from the Adrenalinn is an Alesis Bitrman and = an Ineko
and the stereo output of all that goes to an AUX in on my amp. This way = I can
can have either one (looping or Adrenalized) or both guitar signal paths = going
whenever I want. The Bitrman and Ineko do some really sick, sick, sick = things
to the output of the already pretty whacky Adrenalinn. And, with their = knobs
and buttons I get some extra control and tweakage over the Adrenalinn's =
output in a live setting that would ordinarily not be feasible.

I wish I had some MP3s to share of this. Well, actually I used it a tiny = bit at last
year's Y2K5 fest. So, somewhere in the online recordings of that is = burried just
a taste of what I'm talking about. However, you'd have to listen to = several minutes
of me doing other things (struggling actually -- unsuccessfully, I'm = afraid, as it was
not a very inspired evening for me) before I get around to playing with = the Linn
device at all. Use your imagination. It's a lot of fun. And, I simply = keep the two
signal paths (looping and Adrenalized) synced by setting them up with = similar
BPM settings. It works pretty well, better than I imagined it would.

Cheers,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

On Jun 19, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Candc Hoffman/Traxler = wrote:

I've been seriously wanting an Adrenalinn II for the very same = reasons you are after and the website has a lot of good sound samples. I've = tried to get the same effect by recording control changes on my XL-7 and = running them to my Digitech GNX-3 and it works but its a time consuming endeavor and too much stuff to hook up for every gig. So I think that the Adrenalinn II is a good combo unit with a small footprint.  I just = need to sell something before I justify buying another item.  = Ha!


"Different is not always better, but = better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&a= mp;id=3D121197000042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. = So???

------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C694CC.5E34DDC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 06:03:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A626A3BEDF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060620221848.056e3a30@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:02:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Hey y'all... Todd Reynolds in Oakland In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:03:30 +0000 (UTC) At 10:41 AM 6/19/2006, Todd Reynolds wrote: >Anyway, I'll be in Oakland from the 19th to 24th and will be looping at >the Garden of Memory concert at the Chapel of the Chimes on Wednesday, the >21st of June from 5-9, intermittently. > >Terry Riley and I will also be doing a little playing together, just a >little improvisation time for the two of us during that same concert. So >if you're in oakland, give a shout, and/or come by the concert and say >hi. I enjoy very much meeting people from the list whenever it happens. Hey Todd, that's great! I hope to see you there. For the rest of you, Garden of Memory is one of the most remarkable music events to happen in the Bay Area all year. If you are anywhere remotely close to Oakland, you should go. Nothing else you are doing Wednesday is that important. It is held in Chapel of the Chimes, an amazing and huge Julia Morgan designed Columbarium. On this evening, spread throughout the halls and rooms and nooks and crannies, you will discover numerous unique musicians expressing their take on the place and the experience. Reflective, thoughtful, and inspiring. http://www.gardenofmemory.com/ From a looper perspective, some of the best will be performing, including: Paul Dresher Amy X Neuburg Pamela Z Terry Riley and of course Todd! and probably others who I don't know yet. Every year I experience something remarkable at this event. Go! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 06:24:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 663593BED3; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:24:01 +0000 Message-Id: <062120060624.26094.4498E6010008CB03000065EE2207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:24:04 +0000 (UTC) I'm with you! The talent is clearly there. Hardly fair to throw her on the same compost heap as Kitaro, in any case. Way easier on the eyes than Emerson, to be sure. I'm not sure she shouldn't try adopting the whips and knives, though. . . :-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Joshua Carroll" > I agree... I really enjoyed the clip. I did almost lose it a little way > in, but then they totally took off in another direction... I guess it's > not popular to think so, but I thought it was genius! The bassist is > amazing. > > --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 06:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FDDB3BEE1; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <64b81a780606201158x4658b1aex5a9a45cc4de6baa1@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b81a780606201158x4658b1aex5a9a45cc4de6baa1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:49:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Effector13 PEEP... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:49:12 +0000 (UTC) At 2:58 PM -0400 6/20/06, Todd Pafford wrote: >Let me know how it goes. I've got a Vortex too and would love to play >with one of these. Well, no promises that it will work. But for merely the cost of a good lunch, I figured it was worth the gamble. ;) I'll definitely put it through the paces though, and report back any results once the little bugger gets here. --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 06:49:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6629C3BEE9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060620.133138.6134.183892@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> References: <20060620.133138.6134.183892@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:49:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Effector13 PEEP... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1tC9mB.A.hbG.SwOmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:49:54 +0000 (UTC) At 8:31 PM +0000 6/20/06, Weg wrote: >Wow I love this kind of effect. I had to order one! Looks like fun >and I just got my first vortex too! Those were my thoughts exactly, the minute I saw it. Now I'm doing a mental re-cataloging of every effect pedal I've got that might work well with it -- especially after seeing the video where Devi is triggering the Z-Vex Fuzz Factory into self-oscillation and using it like a Theremin. Dunno if my Z-Vex Machine pedal will go into self-oscillation like that, for instance, but I'm fairly confident my Torn's Peaker is gonna have a lot of fun with the PEEP. --m. -- _______ "The future: everyone is housed, clothed, and fed, because everyone is in jail." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 06:50:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B329E3BEEE; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16849983.1150829083543.JavaMail.root@web20> References: <16849983.1150829083543.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:50:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: ELP (was: Hiromi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:50:37 +0000 (UTC) At 11:44 AM -0700 6/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: > >(I also tossed most of my ELP records out quite some time ago, however) > >For me, ELP hasn't held up over time. I've tried listening to their >work more than once the past few years, and while some of their >stuff is still good, much is overblown, mile-a-minute aimless >noodling (as opposed to direction'ed noodling). Ditto here. I still vaguely recall a few memorable lines from Tarkus or Brain Salad Surgery (Karn Evil 9?). I was a fan back when I was in high school, and used to routinely get into such typical juvenile "discussions" about who was the world's greatest rock keyboardist, Emerson or Wakeman (um, yeah -- high school...). Just for the sake of nostalgia, I trot those records back out every few years to see if there's still anything there. No luck yet. :P Although I'd like to believe that Emerson has to have had a sense of humor in there somewhere (oh come on now: a guy dressed in white spandex with a cape riding a flaming Hammond B3 twirling in mid-air? that's so absurdly overblown it's almost worthy of Zappa, George Clinton, or Liberace). But once you combine that amount of theatre with Carl Palmer's pomposity and Greg Lake's HUGELY overblown ego, the whole thing just cooks up a recipe for carsickness. Ugh! --m. -- _______ "Snakes, as the great philosophers used to say, on a motherfucking plane...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 07:06:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1437F3BEDA; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060620234635.01f8ecc8@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:06:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: OT: Hiromi - In-Reply-To: <062120060624.26094.4498E6010008CB03000065EE2207300033CACA0 A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> References: <062120060624.26094.4498E6010008CB03000065EE2207300033CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Folks wrote: | We-elllll... Hiromi's the most technically accomplished jazz pianist since Oscar Peterson and she plays faster (and cleaner) than Art Tatum. When she was 17 she jammed with Chick Corea. And she's the number one jazz artist in Japan. Here's her doing straight jazz piano: ftp://telmedia.telarc.com/telarc/83600/Radio/83600-DesertMoon-128.mp3 About her influences: "I love Bach, I love Oscar Peterson, I love Franz Liszt, I love Ahmad Jamal," she says. "I also love people like Sly and the Family Stone, Dream Theatre and King Crimson. Also, I'm so much inspired by sports players like Carl Lewis and Michael Jordan. Basically, I'm inspired by anyone who has big, big energy. They really come straight to my heart." That Kung-Fu World Champion piece is just a little karate kata of the keys, if you will. If you play keys you know that you couldn't play that. Ever. Her English website is at: http://www.hiromimusic.com I just found out about her a couple of days ago but she's definitely someone to keep track of. Someone with that much skill, enthusiasm and openness doesn't come around more than a couple of times a century. Cheers, Kevin The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 08:13:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 527043BED3; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025901c6950a$93e5a470$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:13:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Come on you guys, admit it. It's really the bass players fuzzy sweater that you all have your panties in a bunch over! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 09:54:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E1A3BEE1; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HlZLbSjOKhgjOkRnfkogHiGLXmwQ1VRdt54f9EjxNeNf33kTyidbIO8W62s32OMIgbOtUi7Vr2SLm8Zpo7Y67RArwiqCIUhc+iKQ4uQjLnj83AvnOY5fB0w7jNHFX0s9kLv4KI3hf2Qhcac7NvbsAUzYTVylFA/P8fCGQH3BUhY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:54:41 +0200 From: "Thomas Rutgers" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cooking a song MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_120241_23968266.1150883681451" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:54:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_120241_23968266.1150883681451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, does anyone know people/artists who perform solo, "recycling" themselves like live-loopers, but who use other compositorial techniques? so not "building up" loop on loop, but for example playing back a little melody that was played 3 minutes ago, on a different tempo, so it just fits with the rythm played 5 minutes ago while the vocals are played backward again... in this way "cooking" a song. Get the point? I don't mean "electronic" composers, performers who use an acoustic source for creating all kinds of sounds: it's really about creating rythm&melody by (processed) repeating, with or without using prerecorded material. I've been experimenting with it myself (with some acoustic instruments & Max/MSP), but can't really find people doing the same thing... (only one guy in america, too bad i can't contact him...)? But there must be more people doing this thing! If anyone knows someone it would be a great help! (trying to write my thesis about this) thanks Thomas ------=_Part_120241_23968266.1150883681451 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi,
 
does anyone know people/artists who perform solo, "recycling" themselves like live-loopers, but who use other compositorial techniques?
so not "building up" loop on loop, but for example playing back a little melody that was played 3 minutes ago, on a different tempo, so it just fits with the rythm played 5 minutes ago while the vocals are played backward again... in this way "cooking" a song. Get the point?
I don't mean "electronic" composers, performers who use an acoustic source for creating all kinds of sounds: it's really about creating rythm&melody by (processed) repeating, with or without using prerecorded material.
 
I've been experimenting with it myself (with some acoustic instruments & Max/MSP), but can't really find people doing the same thing... (only one guy in america, too bad i can't contact him...)?
But there must be more people doing this thing! If anyone knows someone it would be a great help! (trying to write my thesis about this)
 
thanks
Thomas
------=_Part_120241_23968266.1150883681451-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 10:00:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBBAB3BED6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006901c69519$7ad617d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <2967.69.155.51.194.1150861539.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:00:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:00:21 +0000 (UTC) The bassist has an Ed Wood thing goin' on... :) >I agree... I really enjoyed the clip. I did almost lose it a little way > in, but then they totally took off in another direction... I guess it's > not popular to think so, but I thought it was genius! The bassist is > amazing. > > --Josh > > > >> I haven't watched the clip, so I'm not sure- but are you guys kidding? >> >> Hiromi is amazingly talented. >> >> >> >> >> mech To: >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> 06/20/2006 02:10 PM cc: >> Please respond to Subject: Re: Hiromi >> Loopers-Delight >> >> >> >> >> >> Only twice? I would think the relationship should be exponential. >> That would be 4x the suckage. >> >> Or, since we're talking reincarnation, shouldn't we take into account >> how much they sucked during their past lives too...? >> >> ;) >> --m. >> >> >> At 10:36 AM -0700 6/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: >>>She should get together with Kitaro for twice the amount of sucking. >>>-- >>>Paul Richards >>> >>>---- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: >>>> Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard >>>>virtuoso heading >>>> her own fusion power trio? >>>> >>>> Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY >>>> >>>> Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Kevin >>>> www.TheNettles.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the >> use >> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt >> from >> disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that >> any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 10:24:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1E363BEDF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007a01c6951c$ec20e700$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <16849983.1150829083543.JavaMail.root@web20> Subject: Re: ELP (was: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:24:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <64BFx.A.tmF.35RmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:24:55 +0000 (UTC) From: "mech" > > At 11:44 AM -0700 6/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: >> >>(I also tossed most of my ELP records out quite some time ago, however) >> >>For me, ELP hasn't held up over time. I've tried listening to their work >>more than once the past few years, and while some of their stuff is still >>good, much is overblown, mile-a-minute aimless noodling (as opposed to >>direction'ed noodling). > > Ditto here. I still vaguely recall a few memorable lines from Tarkus or > Brain Salad Surgery (Karn Evil 9?). I was a fan back when I was in high > school, and used to routinely get into such typical juvenile "discussions" > about who was the world's greatest rock keyboardist, Emerson or Wakeman > (um, yeah -- high school...). Just for the sake of nostalgia, I trot > those records back out every few years to see if there's still anything > there. No luck yet. :P > > Although I'd like to believe that Emerson has to have had a sense of humor > in there somewhere (oh come on now: a guy dressed in white spandex with a > cape riding a flaming Hammond B3 twirling in mid-air? that's so absurdly > overblown it's almost worthy of Zappa, George Clinton, or Liberace). But > once you combine that amount of theatre with Carl Palmer's pomposity and > Greg Lake's HUGELY overblown ego, the whole thing just cooks up a recipe > for carsickness. Ugh! I never bought "Tarkus" for two reasons: The cover art was the kind of thing I saw in fellow junior-high students, something done quickly in magic marker, ink and colored pencils with a ruler; and the music comes across as "look what I can do with a synthesizer, folks!", combined with possibly pompous or self-effacing martial themes. Only two things stick out for me with ELP: "Pictures at an Exhibition" is one which ELP-haters tend to really hate ("How dare they present classical" with more than a dash of "What a bunch of pretentious c*nts"). This album is pretty much a common point-of-attack for anyone who hates "progressive rock". I LIKED PaaE because I was also listening to the great Tomita at the time ("Snowflakes are Dancing" is a masterpiece), and was interested in where synthesizer music would have a relationship with the classical music world - during the same period I remember an article in National Geographic about this very thing, which prematurely predicted the idea of entire marching bands using synths instead of conventional instruments. When I eventually saw the film that the record provided a soundtrack to, I was really disappointed. But then I hadn't been introduced to certain psychotropics at the time as yet. :) "Brain Salad Surgery" caught me at a point when I was experimenting with drawing sci-fi comics. The imagery in "Karn Evil #9" is quite like that depicted in Ellison's "A Boy and his Dog": "Leave your hammers at the box". Sinfield at his best I think. I think this was ELP at their best, and everything afterwards is beyond awful ("Love Beach"??? "LOVE BEACH"??? As Alice Cooper put it in the live version of "Welcome to My Nightmare", "SOMEBODY MAKE IT STOP!!!") Lastly the theatre aspect shouldn't be ignored. I was primarily sorry to not make ELP's '75 tour because of that great rotating-speaker synth thing at the end of "KE9" - I'd heard the Quad 8-track of it, which was probably the best mix of the album, no pause between KE9 pts 1 and 2, where there was a fade-out on the LP and cassette. I'd hoped for a more fleshed-out version of the three-part piece, but alas! This mix doesn't seem to have survived the transition to digital CDs... Double-lastly I have not been able to believe the level of hatred the British Tabloid/"Music" Magazine industry has for what they call "prog rock", but I suspect it's because there's no "Spice Girl" element to it, nor scandal to exploit... or their tiny minds can't handle anything the music biz doesn't know how to sell for them. Hm, time for more coffee. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 12:01:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5192C3BED6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=b2/Q0vMc5wQMZ2erheOkzRk0ZHSBbPsg9lL9cn6NBh2Z1CVOnfUfHVUX7XD1dMXIrPH570Q7u2qtK8wkm07vLJL+JPDGNSl/h2MiV6U/k699HuF5jE3wkyBdriDHG4t9yNEfWO5gjfKNmDe6zoHw6RMOVzDi+XOU1pddaYcZA1M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <551B3F77-4C64-407C-A5CF-08C425FDA1CB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Cooking a song Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:00:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:01:05 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jun 2006, at 11.54, Thomas Rutgers wrote: > does anyone know people/artists who perform solo, "recycling" > themselves like live-loopers, but who use other compositorial > techniques? My knowledge is that every composer use to "write the same song every time", at least according to themselves. And most remix wizards do this with audio. Kind of "musical Ready-Mades" (as Marcel Duchamp did with sculpture in 1914) as a well known sound or melody phrase takes on a new meaning when recalled in a new context ;-) I guess you could say that would go for most classical composers as well, since one of the most important techniques have also been to re-use melodic themes with variations to give them a slightly new twist as the piece develops. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 12:29:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B96EB3BEDF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pV4CXFvSrw4kkJ9GNjZvMC9Hdf/NoPPb6ug+qsXfYSaj1aQLBtOlvZIq5rwoL45esQXRR6fOmik0jxVlVqsNG62j+jWojMAhEvo4TqCxiC0l2INqfyOK70E3d65PFX5HxjzdNkkGy6pCdjZD19vC0z9Lz94uYppaU8RKgsCQzyE= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:29:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Hiromi From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Hiromi Thread-Index: AcaVLmOtonKHKAEhEduguwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <025901c6950a$93e5a470$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Sh*t.=20 That's not fair. You psychic rick? T. On 6/21/06 4:13 AM, "loop.pool" wrote: > Come on you guys, admit it. >=20 > It's really the bass players fuzzy sweater that you all have your panties= in > a bunch over!=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 12:44:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F98D3BEE9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6174022.1150893852255.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 5:44:12 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi Cc: "loop.pool" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2U3GlC.A.X9.h8TmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:44:18 +0000 (UTC) And his cap! I was wondering about the sweater. Must be a cold-blooded dude. Paul -- Paul Richards ---- "loop.pool" wrote: > Come on you guys, admit it. > > It's really the bass players fuzzy sweater that you all have your panties in > a bunch over! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 12:46:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D8803BEEC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <32231834.1150893968310.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 5:46:08 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi Cc: Stephen Goodman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) "genius'?? Watching that video made me want to go out and tour. If that crew can play live to an audience.... -- Paul Richards ---- Stephen Goodman wrote: > The bassist has an Ed Wood thing goin' on... :) > > > >I agree... I really enjoyed the clip. I did almost lose it a little way > > in, but then they totally took off in another direction... I guess it's > > not popular to think so, but I thought it was genius! The bassist is > > amazing. > > > > --Josh > > > > > > > >> I haven't watched the clip, so I'm not sure- but are you guys kidding? > >> > >> Hiromi is amazingly talented. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> mech To: > >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> 06/20/2006 02:10 PM cc: > >> Please respond to Subject: Re: Hiromi > >> Loopers-Delight > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Only twice? I would think the relationship should be exponential. > >> That would be 4x the suckage. > >> > >> Or, since we're talking reincarnation, shouldn't we take into account > >> how much they sucked during their past lives too...? > >> > >> ;) > >> --m. > >> > >> > >> At 10:36 AM -0700 6/20/06, Paul Richards wrote: > >>>She should get together with Kitaro for twice the amount of sucking. > >>>-- > >>>Paul Richards > >>> > >>>---- johnsrude@peak.org wrote: > >>>> Haven't you always wanted to be a sexy Japanese lead keyboard > >>>>virtuoso heading > >>>> her own fusion power trio? > >>>> > >>>> Haven't you always wanted to be Hiromi? > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okWg_6mhxWY > >>>> > >>>> Maybe in my next incarnation...if I'm good. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Kevin > >>>> www.TheNettles.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > >> use > >> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > >> information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt > >> from > >> disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, > >> please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 12:51:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D1B73BEFE; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <025901c6950a$93e5a470$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Nah! It's the hat. -dm -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:13 AM Come on you guys, admit it. It's really the bass players fuzzy sweater that you all have your panties in a bunch over! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 13:12:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5078D3BEFE; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:10:35 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Ganglion To: "L.A. Angulo" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009601c69534$c33c8840$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060620002154.38886.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:12:20 +0000 (UTC) It felt 100% better after the surgery - full movement of the joint returned. And the tiny numb spot is barely noticable - it's about 1/4 of the knuckle surface, and I have to rub my finger over it to feel it at all. -dB From: "L.A. Angulo" > just curious do u regret doing the surgery or has it > affected your playing or your hand effectiveness in > anyway? > Luis > > --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > Just to add to the ganglion survey: I had one on the > > outer knuckle of my > > left (fretting) hand middle finger, about the size > > of a small pea (and isn't > > it funny how tumors and growths are so often > > compared to fruits and > > vegetables?). This was way back in the early 1970s, > > when I was in my early > > twenties. My family doc advised me to leave it > > alone, but it really > > interfered with my guitar playing - really hurt when > > I bent the finger. So > > he did the surgery, and afterwards I was left with a > > tiny numb spot on my > > knuckle and no ganglion ever again. > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > www.thecoyote.org > > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money > > trench, a long plastic > > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good > > men die like dogs. There's > > also a negative side." > > --- Hunter S. Thompson > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 13:24:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D1F3BEEC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,162,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="250594383:sNHT21285504" From: Subject: more loopy sax To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.7.5a-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060621092417.AUL50162@ms06.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi ya'll, I have another sax & boomerang piece up for your (I hope) enjoyment. This one is an arrangement of The Meter's classic "Just Kissed My Baby". Here 'tis... http://www.freeimprovisation.com/JustKissedMyBaby.mp3 Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 13:43:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB133BF01; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-115.messagelabs.com!1150897411!13011769!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC935D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:43:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69538.AD470DE0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:43:38 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69538.AD470DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>This is the only clip I've seen of her work, though, so maybe other examples are better. The best parts of this video sound like a pale tip-of-the-hat to Keith Emerson's "Tarkus". I also tossed most of my ELP records out quite some time ago, however. As with all matters of taste, YMMV....<< I wasn't going to chip in at all on this one, but now I have to. grrr.... not ELP, but UK spring to mind. the first incarnation, which morphed into the bruford band w/ dave stewart (not the annie lennox one) allan holdsworth & jeff berlin. here's the difference for me- back then, having chops wasn't nearly enough. everyone had chops. you had to have something to say aswell (which was a big enough problem for talented musicians even then, especially instrumental combos at the dawn of punk/new-wave), & most importantly you had to have a sense of humour. ELP did. bruford did. Yes didn't, which is probably a lot to do with why bruford left them (for fripp.... hmmm....) I'd like to have seen more of this clip, in case it turns out that she & her cohorts are actually enjoying themselves- the bit I saw, they all looked a bit serious, & that put me off trying to get the rest of it to appear on my laptop. I'll try again later. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>>This is the only clip I've seen of her work, thou= gh, so maybe other
examples are better.  The best parts of this video = sound like a pale
tip-of-the-hat to Keith Emerson's "Tarkus".&nb= sp; I also tossed most of my
ELP records out quite some time ago, however.  As w= ith all matters of
taste, YMMV....<<

I wasn't going to chip in at all on this one, but now I h= ave to. grrr....

not ELP, but UK spring to mind. the first incarnation, wh= ich morphed into the bruford band w/ dave stewart (not the annie lennox one= ) allan holdsworth & jeff berlin.

here's the difference for me- back then, having chops was= n't nearly enough. everyone had chops. you had to have something to say asw= ell (which was a big enough problem for talented musicians even then, espec= ially instrumental combos at the dawn of punk/new-wave), & most importa= ntly you had to have a sense of humour. ELP did. bruford did. Yes didn't, w= hich is probably a lot to do with why bruford left them (for fripp.... hmmm= ....)

I'd like to have seen more of this clip, in case it turns= out that she & her cohorts are actually enjoying themselves- the bit I= saw, they all looked a bit serious, & that put me off trying to get th= e rest of it to appear on my laptop. I'll try again later.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C69538.AD470DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 14:04:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D414B3BEEA; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15852306.1150898672547.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 7:04:32 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Hiromi - Cc: Kevin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like a female version of Liberace. -- Paul Richards ---- Kevin wrote: > Folks wrote: > | > > We-elllll... > Hiromi's the most technically accomplished jazz pianist since Oscar > Peterson and she plays faster (and cleaner) than Art Tatum. When she > was 17 she jammed with Chick Corea. And she's the number one jazz > artist in Japan. Here's her doing straight jazz piano: > ftp://telmedia.telarc.com/telarc/83600/Radio/83600-DesertMoon-128.mp3 > > About her influences: > "I love Bach, I love Oscar Peterson, I love Franz Liszt, I love Ahmad > Jamal," she says. "I also love people like Sly and the Family Stone, > Dream Theatre and King Crimson. Also, I'm so much inspired by sports > players like Carl Lewis and Michael Jordan. Basically, I'm inspired > by anyone who has big, big energy. They really come straight to my heart." > > That Kung-Fu World Champion piece is just a little karate kata of the > keys, if you will. If you play keys you know that you couldn't play > that. Ever. > > Her English website is at: > http://www.hiromimusic.com > > I just found out about her a couple of days ago but she's definitely > someone to keep track of. Someone with that much skill, enthusiasm > and openness doesn't come around more than a couple of times a century. > > Cheers, > Kevin > > The Nettles: Progressive and Exciting Celtic Music > www.TheNettles.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 14:12:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AD1D3BEEE; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=udIW9WvfnxfzfGPFJRw5aJz6sEBYiNKblawn9S71QhPxDwpxtmosoWsrFvfkNWod0Sjoy6t3YPBe+1g0ZUd53Oh3qnzqtAvApkqV/49mBXEpJ239p5PEfZzS1z2MMTG+oIkd7RDvye5vziFhffyFH03xIDNwxLly6IpiPornuto= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC935D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC935D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <03895210-47B7-4945-BCCB-30F3F1C9F321@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:12:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:12:48 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jun 2006, at 15.43, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > here's the difference for me- back then, having chops wasn't nearly > enough. everyone had chops. you had to have something to say aswell > (which was a big enough problem for talented musicians even then, > especially instrumental combos at the dawn of punk/new-wave), & > most importantly you had to have a sense of humour. ELP did. > bruford did Hear you and see what you mean. That's why I liked Brufords solo album "Feels Good To Me" so much. Annette Peacock and Alan Holdsworth constantly reinventing the same phrases (voice- et guitar howling) as a sort of "discussion" or "game". Also liked music of Yes back then, much because of Steve Howes' habbit to play themes from other albums, partly concealed as "guitar solos" on new songs, in new tempi and keys (still working on learning to like Peter Gabriel's music, whenever an occasion comes around. Also liked BrandX a lot more than the later Phil Collins 0utlets. Ok, guys - flame on! ;- ) Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps on this list? I think the keyboard player has been writing a column in one of the Brittish musician magazines for years, but I don't remember which one. Have been searching for their album on digital web shops but no luck so far. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 14:21:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242873BF0F; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65449.65.90.188.220.1150899721.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20060620.133138.6134.183892@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:22:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Effector13 PEEP... From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Do you think it would perform drastically differently in sunlight, stagelight, normal house-light, etc.? --Josh > At 8:31 PM +0000 6/20/06, Weg wrote: >>Wow I love this kind of effect. I had to order one! Looks like fun >>and I just got my first vortex too! > > Those were my thoughts exactly, the minute I saw it. Now I'm doing a > mental re-cataloging of every effect pedal I've got that might work > well with it -- especially after seeing the video where Devi is > triggering the Z-Vex Fuzz Factory into self-oscillation and using it > like a Theremin. > > Dunno if my Z-Vex Machine pedal will go into self-oscillation like > that, for instance, but I'm fairly confident my Torn's Peaker is > gonna have a lot of fun with the PEEP. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "The future: everyone is housed, clothed, and fed, because everyone > is in jail." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 14:29:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442463BEFF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Hiromi, now Hatfield Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:29:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hiromi, now Hatfield Thread-Index: AcaVPMeyGWJcZe3YQki/tiRUocj4CgAAVl7g From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2006 14:29:06.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D1954C0:01C6953F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Per- For Hatfield, whose 1st album is the best of the genre folks have been discussing (IMHO), try Wayside Music. Better yet, check out the recently released live "Hatwise Choice", which tops the studio records by revealing them to be monstrous live, veering from compelling chaos to the intricate odd-meter counterpoint they did so well. All, of course, with that sense of wry humor that leavens the chops-fest. Julian Cope writes about this record on his oft-cited web site, whatever that's called. Post- Hatfield Richard Sinclair is very good too, though less overtly complicated. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi On 21 jun 2006, at 15.43, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > here's the difference for me- back then, having chops wasn't nearly > enough. everyone had chops. you had to have something to say aswell =20 > (which was a big enough problem for talented musicians even then, =20 > especially instrumental combos at the dawn of punk/new-wave), & =20 > most importantly you had to have a sense of humour. ELP did. =20 > bruford did Hear you and see what you mean. That's why I liked Brufords solo =20 album "Feels Good To Me" so much. Annette Peacock and Alan Holdsworth =20 constantly reinventing the same phrases (voice- et guitar howling) as =20 a sort of "discussion" or "game". Also liked music of Yes back then, =20 much because of Steve Howes' habbit to play themes from other albums, =20 partly concealed as "guitar solos" on new songs, in new tempi and =20 keys (still working on learning to like Peter Gabriel's music, =20 whenever an occasion comes around. Also liked BrandX a lot more than =20 the later Phil Collins 0utlets. Ok, guys - flame on! ;- ) Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called =20 Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps =20 on this list? I think the keyboard player has been writing a column =20 in one of the Brittish musician magazines for years, but I don't =20 remember which one. Have been searching for their album on digital =20 web shops but no luck so far. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 14:59:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F73D3BEAF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007501c69543$47dc1170$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC935D@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:55:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C69521.3706F4E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:59:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C69521.3706F4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting on = silver suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large = modular though... I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to = but not including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would = rather listen to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is = interesting to note that there is a very active and very good modern = prog scene going on. =20 as said before. YMMV. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: RE: Hiromi >>This is the only clip I've seen of her work, though, so maybe other=20 examples are better. The best parts of this video sound like a pale=20 tip-of-the-hat to Keith Emerson's "Tarkus". I also tossed most of my=20 ELP records out quite some time ago, however. As with all matters of=20 taste, YMMV....<<=20 I wasn't going to chip in at all on this one, but now I have to. = grrr....=20 not ELP, but UK spring to mind. the first incarnation, which morphed = into the bruford band w/ dave stewart (not the annie lennox one) allan = holdsworth & jeff berlin.=20 here's the difference for me- back then, having chops wasn't nearly = enough. everyone had chops. you had to have something to say aswell = (which was a big enough problem for talented musicians even then, = especially instrumental combos at the dawn of punk/new-wave), & most = importantly you had to have a sense of humour. ELP did. bruford did. Yes = didn't, which is probably a lot to do with why bruford left them (for = fripp.... hmmm....) I'd like to have seen more of this clip, in case it turns out that she = & her cohorts are actually enjoying themselves- the bit I saw, they all = looked a bit serious, & that put me off trying to get the rest of it to = appear on my laptop. I'll try again later. duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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I'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday = evening.  I'm=20 not counting on silver suit or knives in the B3.  Apparently he = does travel=20 with a large modular though...
 
I'm  a prog-head and proud of = it!  I have=20 all of the ELP albums up to but not including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean=20 "Beach"
 
I sometimes think it's just fashionable = to trash=20 prog, but I would rather listen to it than most of what's coming out = these=20 days.  It is interesting to note that there is a very active and = very good=20 modern prog scene going on. 
 
as said before. YMMV.
 
Tony
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>>This is the only clip I've seen of her work, = though,=20 so maybe other
examples are better.  = The best=20 parts of this video sound like a pale
tip-of-the-hat=20 to Keith Emerson's "Tarkus".  I also tossed most of my =
ELP records out quite some time ago, however.  As with = all matters=20 of
taste, YMMV....<<

I wasn't going to chip in at all on this one, but = now I have=20 to. grrr....

not ELP, but UK spring to mind. the first = incarnation, which=20 morphed into the bruford band w/ dave stewart (not the annie lennox = one) allan=20 holdsworth & jeff berlin.

here's the difference for me- back then, having = chops wasn't=20 nearly enough. everyone had chops. you had to have something to say = aswell=20 (which was a big enough problem for talented musicians even then, = especially=20 instrumental combos at the dawn of punk/new-wave), & most = importantly you=20 had to have a sense of humour. ELP did. bruford did. Yes didn't, which = is=20 probably a lot to do with why bruford left them (for fripp....=20 hmmm....)

I'd like to have seen more of this clip, in case it = turns out=20 that she & her cohorts are actually enjoying themselves- the bit I = saw,=20 they all looked a bit serious, & that put me off trying to get the = rest of=20 it to appear on my laptop. I'll try again later.

duncan.



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 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C69521.3706F4E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 15:17:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1A23BEF0; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:14:41 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: ELP (was: Hiromi) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44996261.2000901@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:17:20 +0000 (UTC) I saw Emerson and his new band Monday night am pleased to say that they were very entertaining - mostly ELP classics and they mined some very cool Nice material. Several numbers from his guitarist Marc Bonilla and newer Emerson compositions. Bonilla handles all vocals and doubles many of the keyboard melodies. He did an interesting looping and e-bow thing which morphed into 'Lucky Man'. Phil Williams is on Bass and Pete Riley on drums. Riley swings way harder than Palmer ever did. Aside from his significant accomplishments as a rock act back in the day, his style is immediately identifiable and his chops are pretty amazing (this despite a reported problem with repetitive stress syndrome). The ELP compositions are a bit long by todays standards, but I wonder if part of this is due to our MTV-induced limited attention span - there - I said it. It's also easy to see why ELP's music was brought up in reaction to the Hiromi's video, which featured a selection with a very repetitive song structure. My opinion is that most of the ELP material was much more ambitious - and adventurous - than this sample of Hiromi's more mechanical groove-oriented riffage. I have to say that I enjoyed the Nice material over the ELP 'hits' - much of the earliest Nice numbers are hilarious (O'List did eventually lose it entirely I think). Emerson's touring with the full-blown Moog including the ribbon controller, and does a bit of duelling with his guitar player. He'll be at the Moogfest at BB King's Thursday night. Jan Hammer is supposedly performing there with (tribute band) Mahavishnu Project, who are amazing. Emerson is very animated (for an old geezer) and does really command the stage. His younger comrades are supportive but each adds their own stamp to the material. FWIW, I enjoyed it. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 15:23:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C8DB3BF00; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:23:56 +0000 Message-Id: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:23:59 +0000 (UTC) I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at the time! Regards from Boston, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" > RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting on silver > suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large modular > though... > > I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to but not > including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" > > I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would rather listen > to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting to note that > there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. > > as said before. YMMV. > > Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 16:46:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3DA3BEDB; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> References: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-802474264 Message-Id: <7eccdae7efac1e39afcd972183163624@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:46:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:46:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-802474264 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion. And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be really embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but the final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But generally, guitar chops are seen as showing off. It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: > I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the > part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, > at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young > turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. > > Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess > E-L-P) rampant at the time! > > Regards from Boston, > Chris > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Tony K" >> RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting >> on silver >> suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large >> modular >> though... >> >> I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to >> but not >> including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" >> >> I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would >> rather listen >> to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting >> to note that >> there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. >> >> as said before. YMMV. >> >> Tony > --Apple-Mail-3-802474264 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion. And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be really embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but the final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But generally, guitar chops are seen as showing off. It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at the time! Regards from Boston, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" < RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting on silver suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large modular though... I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to but not including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would rather listen to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting to note that there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. as said before. YMMV. Tony --Apple-Mail-3-802474264-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 16:51:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F31D73BEDC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BfCHejI35Je0uFEQrjgzB1VtiiI6WZBWXv7jHOdvu9LwMX7SuplfCQXgehfJlMG8Er4hlimlYE0/+xUbJTx/MpETnsagmQim3ZxSptIAOuOjQRuD/zu/+r8fJIy7YYX7Wk9H9gGs4ttCLbHDZu6HPunBi9eKpLyn83i9MAG6DUU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:51:41 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi In-Reply-To: <7eccdae7efac1e39afcd972183163624@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <7eccdae7efac1e39afcd972183163624@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Fortunately, Dragon Force is here to bring back chops: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZuodOsIE7cg&search=dragon%20force On 6/21/06, Richard Sales wrote: first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion. > > And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The > sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, > when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 16:52:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B9DF3BEF1; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oDXiOSf0tz7GvHAiVE6Ah/dMBY6JFaGTbswOuQ5v/bqI+xZYWEd837WZG6VKW04G; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:58:16 -0700 Subject: Prog Rock was Hiromi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-803204934 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7eccdae7efac1e39afcd972183163624@glasswing.com> Message-Id: <2246F72F-0147-11DB-960C-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd486fde8fca940c28e943c4db91766ba9373788860f0b40a802350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.182.146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-803204934 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh ya! Crafty Hands........ produced by Ken Scott I believe. joe On Wednesday, June 21, 2006, at 09:46 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills > in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they > were some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. > Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative > percussion. > > And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The > sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, > when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! > > But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. > She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand > tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So > ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like > anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I > could muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be > really embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but > the final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off > as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this > is how a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear > music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note > blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But > generally, guitar chops are seen as showing off. > > It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: > >> I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the >> part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, >> at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young >> turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. >> >> Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess >> E-L-P) rampant at the time! >> >> Regards from Boston, >> Chris >> >> >> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> From: "Tony K" >>> RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not >>> counting on silver >>> suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large >>> modular >>> though... >>> >>> I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up >>> to but not >>> including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" >>> >>> I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would >>> rather listen >>> to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting >>> to note that >>> there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. >>> >>> as said before. YMMV. >>> >>> Tony >> --Apple-Mail-2-803204934 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Oh ya! Crafty Hands........ produced by Ken Scott I believe. joe On Wednesday, June 21, 2006, at 09:46 AM, Richard Sales wrote: Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion. And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be really embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but the final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But generally, guitar chops are seen as showing off. It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at the time! Regards from Boston, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" < RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting on silver suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large modular though... I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to but not including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would rather listen to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting to note that there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. as said before. YMMV. Tony --Apple-Mail-2-803204934-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 16:59:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32DB63BEFC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69554.03A9264C" Subject: RE: Hiromi, Happy Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hiromi, Happy Thread-Index: AcaVUjxZkLbjgr0US1iGuaNpl3JAUgAALH8w From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2006 16:59:10.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[03E4DE00:01C69554] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69554.03A9264C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard- =20 Happy the Man are a great touchpoint for some of the folks on this list. Good to see someone mention them. =20 If you have their first LP you'll see my name in the credits, right next to Clive Davis. That 8 point font is as close to fame as I'll ever get. =20 I saw Stanley and Frank's new project Oblivion Sun about a month ago and they were tremendous. They did "Leave that Kitten Alone, Armone", believe it or not, but had a lot of new stuff too. A CD is in the works. =20 I'd have to add that a new and different sort of complexity shows in the work of folks like 4tet, and they're mighty interesting. I thought Tortoise were leaning toward Canterbury a few albums back. And the guys in R'head have beaucoups chops. Maybe the world is big enough for all of it. =20 =20 Hal Dean Project Manager Facilities Design and Construction West Chester University 610-436-2519 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi =09 =09 Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion.=20 And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it!=20 But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be really embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but the final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But generally, guitar chops are seen as showing off.=20 It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier.=20 richard sales=20 glassWing farm and studio=20 vancouver island, b.c.=20 800.545.6846=20 250.752.4816=20 www.glassWing.com=20 www.richardsales.com=20 www.hayleysales.com=20 www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com=20 On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote:=20 I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much.=20 Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at the time!=20 Regards from Boston,=20 Chris=20 -------------- Original message ----------------------=20 From: "Tony K" =20 RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting on silver=20 suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large modular=20 though...=20 I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to but not=20 including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach"=20 I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would rather listen=20 to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting to note that=20 there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on.=20 as said before. YMMV.=20 Tony=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69554.03A9264C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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Happy the Man are a great touchpoint for some = of the=20 folks on this list. Good to see someone mention = them.
 
If=20 you have their first LP you'll see my name in the credits, right next to = Clive=20 Davis. That 8 point font is as close to fame as I'll ever=20 get.
 
I=20 saw Stanley and Frank's new project Oblivion Sun about a month ago and = they were=20 tremendous. They did "Leave that Kitten Alone,  Armone", = believe it or=20 not, but had a lot of new stuff too. A CD is in the = works.
 
I'd=20 have to add that a new and different sort of complexity shows in the = work of=20 folks like 4tet, and they're mighty interesting. I thought Tortoise were = leaning=20 toward Canterbury a few albums back. And the guys in R'head have = beaucoups=20 chops. Maybe the world is big enough for all of it.
 
 
Hal Dean
Project Manager
Facilities = Design and=20 Construction
West Chester = University
610-436-2519
-----Original Message-----
From: = Richard Sales=20 [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, = 2006 12:46=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Hiromi

Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared = bills in=20 the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were = some of=20 the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in their = first=20 incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion.

And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. = The=20 sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, = when I''m=20 off, I'm really grateful for it!

But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of = this. She=20 didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand tremolo = (when=20 she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So ALL of my = parts are=20 incredibly simple - which is what I usually like anyhow, but I mean=20 REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could muster = into whole=20 notes! While doing it I thought I would be really embarrassed - and = threatened=20 to not put my name on the CD - but the final product actually fits = together=20 well and the guitar comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes = (to say=20 the least). But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) = folks=20 want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the = Zep's note=20 blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But = generally,=20 guitar chops are seen as showing off.

It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier.

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote:

I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on = the part=20 of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at = the same=20 time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks = virtuosity in=20 general was poo-pooed just as much.

Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell = excess E-L-P)=20 rampant at the time!

Regards from Boston,
Chris


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Tony K" <bigtony@softhome.net>
RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not = counting=20 on silver
suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a = large=20 modular
though...

I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums = up to=20 but not
including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach"

I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I = would=20 rather listen
to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is = interesting to=20 note that
there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going = on.=20

as said before. YMMV.

Tony =

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69554.03A9264C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 17:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07B3B3BF0B; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96532487-B9FD-4D99-9A49-8D48956EAEFE@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rds8000 Subject: WTB: KORG AM8000r & DIGITECH RDS8000 TIME MACHINE Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:10:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <0N8vPD.A.TlD.Z1XmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Hello - I'd like to add a Korg AM8000r & DIGITECH RDS-8000 Time Machine to my live looping rig. Must be in working order. Cosmetics not that important. Please respond off-list. Adam _______________ www.lochheed.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 17:11:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A603BF0A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jva3dV9HADp5OxE+++hGNzvDZbuA1vKptU9XVkZwoMy3inQwwstuGQ5mgAO1RPkpbw+u1TcTIVjFr97q2zEFmaQT2ozmHfzkwB7b5QMbKHBERH3+dPQ77TsBO+7mPWT4pJsuLAF/q830XyPYOtCY+39u+N2wjqE+BZTMSoz0W1U= ; Message-ID: <20060621171117.68933.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Hiromi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:11:19 +0000 (UTC) As someone who's favorite guitarist is Adrain Belew, I think lack of chops has nothing to do with the demise of "chops." It's lack of interest for wankery. An old friend of mine used to play me Steve Vai albums and, while impressed by his technical prowess, I found the music to be totally uninspired and lacking anything that might be considered "soul." I can't put my finger on why it felt so flat... There was not a single technical fault to the music, but it may as well have been created by a robot. (not the cool killer kind that turns on it's unsuspecting master after developing sentience and emotion) Now, I know a lot of you probably like Steve Vai and other's in the guitar wank genre and I'm happy you do and I'd fight for your right to listen and play that music. However, for my money I'd trade the ability to convey emotion in your music over the ability to cleanly play 32nd notes at 160 bpm. I've got the entire King Crimson catalog on my iPod, but there's still room for The White Stripes on there too. While I'm at it, have you ever listened to how sloppy The Jimi Hendrix Experience is? I love every moment of it. Mark Sottilaro --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Fortunately, Dragon Force is here to bring back > chops: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZuodOsIE7cg&search=dragon%20force > > > > > On 6/21/06, Richard Sales > wrote: > first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative > percussion. > > > > And yes! The anti chop movement has been > devastating to music. The > > sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. > But some nights, > > when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 17:27:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCE213BEE8; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Dragon Force (was Hiromi) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:27:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB1EF@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dragon Force (was Hiromi) Thread-Index: AcaVUvqtMwYJDO2BSMyqNLNw1luMEgAA2yAw From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:27:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 > > Fortunately, Dragon Force is here to bring back chops: Christ, I feel like I need a shower! I especially like how the one dude nurses a beer while the other one masturbates. I hear they do a great cover of Flamenco Sketches. But it's over in 25 seconds. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 17:28:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5B53BEDA; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e6P1AWlMKhIgHU0IpiMlUckCNlxNs4vhrFqeIzqUz+pHEvOdjVJDcruiKA3+i67BZpkudRwp9mkNtj5LPKYiDrN9OPqRI1UyjJq+wbM8SNjjYuN4aeXqX039eg7QBCF6oyIpdJa5V3MaIvSabif54eY9+OOXbqgxM74Si3f/fgs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060621171117.68933.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060621171117.68933.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82C36494-FFFB-430C-B103-D44E28450734@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:28:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:28:51 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jun 2006, at 19.11, mark sottilaro wrote: > Now, I know a lot of you probably like Steve Vai I don't. But my brother does. Once he played me "a cool Vai tune" and what I heard was Vai playing guitar, just like he always does, but this time through a certain default preset of the Eventide Eclipse. I couldn't believe he just plugged into the Eventide like any simple effect box and shredded away! But I guess I would enjoy hearing Vai live, just as I did when hearing Dexter Gordon doing his "Juke Box Game Thing" without almost playing a single original note. > While > I'm at it, have you ever listened to how sloppy The > Jimi Hendrix Experience is? I love every moment of > it. Yeah, wonderfully sloppy! When "sloppyness" oozes of that what-the- hell attitude I do love it. But when "sloppyness" oozes of ignorance I just can't stand it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 17:33:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612EA3BEFE; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:33:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Thread-Index: AcaVWCsJkTJHRNi9TpSjSNvEMPgrIgAADTbQ From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2006 17:33:54.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE010FB0:01C69558] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Call me a nitpicker on semantics, but I'd say the Hendrix Experience was LOOSE, not sloppy. There's a world of difference. A loose outfit may be communicating on a higher plane, while sloppiness is often a sign of the opposite - inattention to the moment. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) On 21 jun 2006, at 19.11, mark sottilaro wrote: > Now, I know a lot of you probably like Steve Vai I don't. But my brother does. Once he played me "a cool Vai tune" and =20 what I heard was Vai playing guitar, just like he always does, but =20 this time through a certain default preset of the Eventide Eclipse. I =20 couldn't believe he just plugged into the Eventide like any simple =20 effect box and shredded away! But I guess I would enjoy hearing Vai =20 live, just as I did when hearing Dexter Gordon doing his "Juke Box =20 Game Thing" without almost playing a single original note. > While > I'm at it, have you ever listened to how sloppy The > Jimi Hendrix Experience is? I love every moment of > it. Yeah, wonderfully sloppy! When "sloppyness" oozes of that what-the-=20 hell attitude I do love it. But when "sloppyness" oozes of ignorance =20 I just can't stand it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:02:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C25383BED3; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Wxa7oKNWER0E6/Gee2ykc4ur4NJzyv0BkLt0qZTOUQ/tzNluhb0rL0Ay+VmvKHy+AAtT2Bs27+rM7+hItq8XI3nkr4+zIqWab9cU5/xkjynbZWIBME4FZCRQ20RnPm6kAGBrTF00b+Rpt6XxBE6kgb9733NEyEe19aXRoExtS+M= ; Message-ID: <20060621180225.45674.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060618233544.0d771de8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-pHZkD.A.LwF.0mYmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:02:28 +0000 (UTC) id be interested to know if anybody is using it this way and the tricks and possibilities involved! Luis > There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or > MIDI channels and sending > >two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when > working in stereo) would be > >compromised. > > No, there won't be any problem. We designed the > Echoplex to support this > type of use, and tested it to be sure it worked. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:12:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4BCF3BEF0; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009501c6955e$364cb8e0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <7eccdae7efac1e39afcd972183163624@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:06:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C6953B.F488C150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:12:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C6953B.F488C150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music.=20 Yeah, which is why I'm glad there's still an underground prog movement. = Some of the good old bands (Crimson, Yes, Rush, Moody Blues) are still = around and we have newer ones like Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard, The = Mars Volta, Dream Theater, Riverside, Ozric Tentacles, Anglagarde, Glass = Hammer... the list goes on. However, you'll never hear them on the = radio. XM did have a channel dedicated to prog, but I think it got = canned. but, you can listen over the net at http://www.progrockradio.com/ Enjoy! Tony p.s. Yes, Richard, I've heard some Happy The Man. Not much, but I have. = :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Richard Sales=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Hiromi Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills = in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were = some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in = their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion. And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The = sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, when = I''m off, I'm really grateful for it!=20 But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. = She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand = tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So = ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like = anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could = muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be really = embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but the = final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off as = organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this is how = a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear music... or = at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note blizzards all day = long and somehow that slips under the radar. But generally, guitar chops = are seen as showing off. It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the = part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at = the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks = virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess = E-L-P) rampant at the time! Regards from Boston, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not = counting on silver=20 suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large = modular=20 though... I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up = to but not=20 including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would = rather listen=20 to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting = to note that=20 there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on.=20 as said before. YMMV. Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C6953B.F488C150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>And yes!=20 The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. =
 
Yeah, which is=20 why I'm glad there's still an underground prog movement.  Some of = the good=20 old bands (Crimson, Yes, Rush, Moody Blues) are still around and we have = newer=20 ones like Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard, The Mars Volta, Dream Theater,=20 Riverside, Ozric Tentacles, Anglagarde, Glass Hammer... the list = goes=20 on.  However, you'll never hear them on the radio.  XM did = have a=20 channel dedicated to prog, but I think it got = canned.
 
but, you can listen over the net at http://www.progrockradio.com/<= /FONT>
 
Enjoy!
Tony
 
p.s. Yes, Richard, I've heard some Happy The Man.  Not much, = but I=20 have. :)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Richard=20 Sales
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 = 12:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: Hiromi

Did any of you ever = hear the=20 prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills in the good old days = (G.O.D.S) and I=20 thought, and still think, they were some of the best and most creative = of the=20 prog genre. Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on=20 drums/creative percussion.

And yes! The anti chop movement has = been=20 devastating to music. The sanctification of The Garage has been = cataclysmic.=20 But some nights, when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! =

But=20 recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. She = didn't=20 want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand tremolo (when = she=20 wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So ALL of my parts = are=20 incredibly simple - which is what I usually like anyhow, but I mean=20 REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could muster = into whole=20 notes! While doing it I thought I would be really embarrassed - and = threatened=20 to not put my name on the CD - but the final product actually fits = together=20 well and the guitar comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes = (to say=20 the least). But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) = folks=20 want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the = Zep's note=20 blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But = generally,=20 guitar chops are seen as showing off.

It's a strange new world! = Our job=20 is getting easier.

richard = sales
glassWing farm and=20 studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On=20 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote:

I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour = grapes on=20 the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I = recall, at=20 the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks = virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much.

Not that = there=20 wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at = the=20 time!

Regards from Boston,
Chris


-------------- = Original message ----------------------
From: "Tony K"=20 <bigtony@softhome.net>
RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm = not=20 counting on silver
suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he = does travel=20 with a large modular
though...

I'm a prog-head and = proud of it!=20 I have all of the ELP albums up to but not
including "Love = Bleah" oh,=20 I mean "Beach"

I sometimes think it's just fashionable to = trash=20 prog, but I would rather listen
to it than most of what's = coming out=20 these days. It is interesting to note that
there is a very = active and=20 very good modern prog scene going on.

as said before.=20 = YMMV.

Tony

------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C6953B.F488C150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:15:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9895A3BEF6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> References: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:15:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: More Prog Rock (was: Hiromi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:15:38 +0000 (UTC) At 3:23 PM +0000 6/21/06, Christophe wrote: >I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the >part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I >recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these >young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. That's certainly not how it was when it started. For instance, The Stranglers, who are generally given credit for releasing the first Punk LP ('Rattus Norvegicus', which predated the Sex Pistols' 'Never Mind the Bollocks' release by several weeks) had fantastic "chops". Listen to many of the songs from 'Black & White', their 3rd studio album, with Dave Greenfield's Manzarek-inspired keyboard runs or JJ Burnel's hooky bass lines. They merely knew when to use chops and when to let the song, however raw, speak for itself. And the early American groups that were the inspiration for the British -- like the Ramones, MI-5, & Iggy Pop -- usually didn't really trash the whole concept of being able to play well. That just wasn't where they were interested in putting their emphasis. On the other hand, you also had just as many prog-rockers (such as Phil Collins) slagging off Punk as completely without merit. "That's not music; that's crap!" Then came the infighting and the genre wars; not to mention the Post-Punk period, where if you tried to put anything left of the party line back into your music, you were deemed a "sell out" and gobbed upon by the leftover Punk contingent. This wasn't much helped by the British music press, who were notoriously vicious at this time (New Music Express, for instance, which was generally referred to by most bands as N.M.E. -- as in "enemy"). They often exploited the trend-hopping and infighting just to sell magazines. However, there still remains good expressive music on both sides. I could probably name you a dozen fantastic Punk groups off the top of my head (stop worrying; I'll spare you). Returning to the Prog side though, I'm surprised that Henry Cow -- as well as many of the other Fred Frith projects -- hasn't yet come up. Their first album, 'Legend' (pronounced Leg End, heh!) alone is worth honorable mention, if nothing else. And, out of left field, I'll also throw in the Dutch group Focus, who achieved some minor visibilty with 'Hocus Pocus' during the 70's -- a song which featured not only Jan Akkerman's lightening fast guitar "chops" but also YODELLING!!! In this case, I've always been fond of their 'Hamburger Concerto', which is alternately bombastically overblown, simplistically silly, charmingly pretentious, and quite genius. --m. -- _______ "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:16:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D2733BEB6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1150913811!2574933!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9363@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prog-bashing Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:16:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6955E.DD767430" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:16:53 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6955E.DD767430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at the time!<< I like to console myself that the excess was necessary somehow, & that there was a background of "arms-race" about it amongst the bigger outfits & their trailers full of persian rugs, steel drumkits & whatnot, which was genuinely tongue-firmly-in-cheek long before "stonehenge". I think it's a very modern (read: politically correct) thing to have any genuine, well-founded objections to the amount of horsepower required by the likes of ELP to mount their stage show. back then, the complaints were about the attention they drew to themselves rather than any actual waste. though john peel called them a "waste of talent & electricity", he'd actually quite liked "the nice" & was merely voicing his disappointment with emerson's new direction. if he'd known the expression, I'm sure he would have said "YMMV". besides, a touring orchestra, opera or theatre company would have been about the same size, & probably would've been drawing smaller crowds. the punk "revolution" is overstated, even with this amount of hindsight. we quickly forget how many experienced, slightly older musicians were drafted in by these "young turks" to assist & support their endeavours. (step forward nick mason & steve hillage, amonsgt others, who produced some of this "punk" stuff despite belonging in "the other camp".) & the same dave stewart I mentioned last time (i.e. not the guitarist who became a punk with annie lennox & then re-invented prog in the mid 80s with much fairlight noodlery as a eurythmic, but the one from egg/gong/bruford/national health) even appeared on top of the pops (a long running british tv chart show of some repute) wearing a PiL t-shirt. in fact, a great deal of this antipathy was invented by the music press, & by journalists generally. at the bands' level, things were often quite different, with punk rock's glitterati turning up to see zeppelin at knebworth, ATV making albums with here&now, & eventually the clash releasing a triple album. sharing of concert bills made more sense than trying to stir up acrimony. for me, it's much simpler than any genre or social divide. there'll always be a number of musicians who manage to combine the chops with the essential humour of music's ability to communicate, & there'll always be a number of musicians who fall to one side or the other of that bell-curve. some of the most technically adept musos of the 70s were the most humourless bunch you could imagine, & they made you ache for the cartoon nihilism of a sid vicious or a captain sensible. hiromi made me want to see keith tippett, never mind keith emerson. 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>>I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as s= our grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it.&n= bsp; As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by the= se young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much.

Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell= excess E-L-P) rampant at the time!<<

I like to console myself that the excess was necessary so= mehow, & that there was a background of "arms-race" about it = amongst the bigger outfits & their trailers full of persian rugs, steel= drumkits & whatnot, which was genuinely tongue-firmly-in-cheek long be= fore "stonehenge".

I think it's a very modern (read: politically correct) th= ing to have any genuine, well-founded objections to the amount of horsepowe= r required by the likes of ELP to mount their stage show.

back then, the complaints were about the attention they d= rew to themselves rather than any actual waste. though john peel called the= m a "waste of talent & electricity", he'd actually quite like= d "the nice" & was merely voicing his disappointment with eme= rson's new direction. if he'd known the expression, I'm sure he would have = said "YMMV".

besides, a touring orchestra, opera or theatre company wo= uld have been about the same size, & probably would've been drawing sma= ller crowds.

the punk "revolution" is overstated, even with = this amount of hindsight.
we quickly forget how many experienced, slightly older m= usicians were drafted in by these "young turks" to assist & s= upport their endeavours. (step forward nick mason & steve hillage, amon= sgt others, who produced some of this "punk" stuff despite belong= ing in "the other camp".)

& the same dave stewart I mentioned last time (i.e. n= ot the guitarist who became a punk with annie lennox & then re-invented= prog in the mid 80s with much fairlight noodlery as a eurythmic, but the o= ne from egg/gong/bruford/national health) even appeared on top of the pops = (a long running british tv chart show of some repute) wearing a PiL t-shirt= .

in fact, a great deal of this antipathy was invented by t= he music press, & by journalists generally.
at the bands' level, things were often quite different, = with punk rock's glitterati turning up to see zeppelin at knebworth, ATV ma= king albums with here&now, & eventually the clash releasing a tripl= e album. sharing of concert bills made more sense than trying to stir up ac= rimony.

for me, it's much simpler than any genre or social divide= .
there'll always be a number of musicians who manage to c= ombine the chops with the essential humour of music's ability to communicat= e, & there'll always be a number of musicians who fall to one side or t= he other of that bell-curve. some of the most technically adept musos of th= e 70s were the most humourless bunch you could imagine, & they made you= ache for the cartoon nihilism of a sid vicious or a captain sensible.

hiromi made me want to see keith tippett, never mind keit= h emerson. I'm sure she can be very funny.... but I couldn't see it in her = wackily titled showcase piece, I'm sorry.

duncan.




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6955E.DD767430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:18:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CDC83BF0F; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64767.65.90.188.220.1150913959.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <20060621171117.68933.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060621171117.68933.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:19:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Hiromi From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) I wasn't going to chime in, but I have to agree. I have a buddy who's a huge Vai fan, and I just don't get it. I heard a great Queen-esque guitar solo on the radio a few months ago, and I went off on a rant on the lack of that sort of thing in modern music. When I ended with the question "what ever happened to guitar solos anyway?" my wife responded without a second thought: "guitar players." And she was probably right... as much as I hate to admit it (being a guitar-solo nut myself). There's just been too much "wankery," and not enough "soul." Too much Vai, not enough Vaughan. I think a lot of musicians make the music about the musician rather than the other way around. Obviously, I can't ever make a blanket statement about any artist being that way, but when I catch that self-important vibe in a tune--be it prog rock or hip hop--it just makes me want to turn the thing off. As far as Hiromi goes, the part I enjoyed was the smiling interaction between the musicians at the end. No way I could listen to that stuff all the time, but I have to respect the precision, and I'm blown away that they could have fun doing that! --Josh > As someone who's favorite guitarist is Adrain Belew, I > think lack of chops has nothing to do with the demise > of "chops." It's lack of interest for wankery. An > old friend of mine used to play me Steve Vai albums > and, while impressed by his technical prowess, I found > the music to be totally uninspired and lacking > anything that might be considered "soul." I can't put > my finger on why it felt so flat... There was not a > single technical fault to the music, but it may as > well have been created by a robot. (not the cool > killer kind that turns on it's unsuspecting master > after developing sentience and emotion) > > Now, I know a lot of you probably like Steve Vai and > other's in the guitar wank genre and I'm happy you do > and I'd fight for your right to listen and play that > music. However, for my money I'd trade the ability to > convey emotion in your music over the ability to > cleanly play 32nd notes at 160 bpm. I've got the > entire King Crimson catalog on my iPod, but there's > still room for The White Stripes on there too. While > I'm at it, have you ever listened to how sloppy The > Jimi Hendrix Experience is? I love every moment of > it. > > Mark Sottilaro > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Fortunately, Dragon Force is here to bring back >> chops: >> >> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZuodOsIE7cg&search=dragon%20force >> >> >> >> >> On 6/21/06, Richard Sales >> wrote: >> first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative >> percussion. >> > >> > And yes! The anti chop movement has been >> devastating to music. The >> > sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. >> But some nights, >> > when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:23:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 960DB3BF0E; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:19:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: RE: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1558/Wed Jun 21 02:31:22 2006 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:23:27 +0000 (UTC) At 1:33 PM -0400 6/21/06, Dean, Hal wrote: >Call me a nitpicker on semantics, but I'd say the Hendrix Experience was >LOOSE, not sloppy. There's a world of difference. A loose outfit may be >communicating on a higher plane, while sloppiness is often a sign of the >opposite - inattention to the moment. I think that sloppy and/or loose playing can also come from trying things that are on the edge of your ability to pull off. I really enjoy this. One of my favorite guitarists is Phil Miller (Matching Mole, Hatfield and the North, National Health, etc.). In many of his solos he is reaching for _that_ note or phrase, and barely makes it, which can come across as a little sloppy. I would rather listen to someone like Phill Miller grasping for thing, than most other guitarists playing it safe. --- As an aside to this already off-topic thread, one of my complaints with something like a Berklee / GIT education is that they drill the mistakes right out of you. A side effect of this is that people are left with only their imagination to rely on, as they rarely have need to recover from mistakes, which is often some of the most inventive playing, IMO. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:24:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01EEE3BF06; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64795.65.90.188.220.1150914266.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <009501c6955e$364cb8e0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> References: <7eccdae7efac1e39afcd972183163624@glasswing.com> <009501c6955e$364cb8e0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Hiromi From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Have any of you listened to The Mars Volta? Flippin' rock my balls off! It almost feels like Plant and Page all over again, but with a different kind of in-your-face attitide. I love it. Amazing! --Josh >>And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. > > Yeah, which is why I'm glad there's still an underground prog movement. > Some of the good old bands (Crimson, Yes, Rush, Moody Blues) are still > around and we have newer ones like Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard, The Mars > Volta, Dream Theater, Riverside, Ozric Tentacles, Anglagarde, Glass > Hammer... the list goes on. However, you'll never hear them on the radio. > XM did have a channel dedicated to prog, but I think it got canned. > > but, you can listen over the net at http://www.progrockradio.com/ > > Enjoy! > Tony > > p.s. Yes, Richard, I've heard some Happy The Man. Not much, but I have. > :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Sales > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: Hiromi > > > Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills in > the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were > some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in > their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion. > > And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The > sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, when > I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! > > But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. > She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand > tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So > ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like > anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could > muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be really > embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but the > final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off as > organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this is how > a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear music... or > at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note blizzards all day > long and somehow that slips under the radar. But generally, guitar chops > are seen as showing off. > > It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: > > > I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the > part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, > at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young > turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. > > Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess > E-L-P) rampant at the time! > > Regards from Boston, > Chris > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Tony K" > > RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting > on silver > suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large > modular > though... > > I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to > but not > including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" > > I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would > rather listen > to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting > to note that > there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. > > as said before. YMMV. > > Tony > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:25:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B7C3BF15; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <64792.65.90.188.220.1150914355.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: References: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:25:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: More Prog Rock (was: Hiromi) From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:25:31 +0000 (UTC) "They merely knew when to use chops and when to let the song, however raw, speak for itself." That's it! That's the kicker. If it doesn't support the song, scrap it. --Josh > At 3:23 PM +0000 6/21/06, Christophe wrote: >>I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the >>part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I >>recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these >>young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. > > That's certainly not how it was when it started. For instance, The > Stranglers, who are generally given credit for releasing the first > Punk LP ('Rattus Norvegicus', which predated the Sex Pistols' 'Never > Mind the Bollocks' release by several weeks) had fantastic "chops". > Listen to many of the songs from 'Black & White', their 3rd studio > album, with Dave Greenfield's Manzarek-inspired keyboard runs or JJ > Burnel's hooky bass lines. They merely knew when to use chops and > when to let the song, however raw, speak for itself. > > And the early American groups that were the inspiration for the > British -- like the Ramones, MI-5, & Iggy Pop -- usually didn't > really trash the whole concept of being able to play well. That just > wasn't where they were interested in putting their emphasis. > > On the other hand, you also had just as many prog-rockers (such as > Phil Collins) slagging off Punk as completely without merit. "That's > not music; that's crap!" > > Then came the infighting and the genre wars; not to mention the > Post-Punk period, where if you tried to put anything left of the > party line back into your music, you were deemed a "sell out" and > gobbed upon by the leftover Punk contingent. This wasn't much helped > by the British music press, who were notoriously vicious at this time > (New Music Express, for instance, which was generally referred to by > most bands as N.M.E. -- as in "enemy"). They often exploited the > trend-hopping and infighting just to sell magazines. > > However, there still remains good expressive music on both sides. I > could probably name you a dozen fantastic Punk groups off the top of > my head (stop worrying; I'll spare you). Returning to the Prog side > though, I'm surprised that Henry Cow -- as well as many of the other > Fred Frith projects -- hasn't yet come up. Their first album, > 'Legend' (pronounced Leg End, heh!) alone is worth honorable mention, > if nothing else. > > And, out of left field, I'll also throw in the Dutch group Focus, who > achieved some minor visibilty with 'Hocus Pocus' during the 70's -- a > song which featured not only Jan Akkerman's lightening fast guitar > "chops" but also YODELLING!!! In this case, I've always been fond of > their 'Hamburger Concerto', which is alternately bombastically > overblown, simplistically silly, charmingly pretentious, and quite > genius. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:26:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE983BF1C; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69560.3C6434AD" Subject: RE: prog-bashing Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: prog-bashing Thread-Index: AcaVXuZaYxhG6srmSbapw4pBTE3YGQAAS2Iw From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2006 18:26:39.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CB98CB0:01C69560] Resent-Message-ID: <6QYVJ.A.CNH.g9YmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:26:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69560.3C6434AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My that is all remarkably well put. I second that emotion. =20 =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: prog-bashing =09 =09 >>I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at the time!<<=20 I like to console myself that the excess was necessary somehow, & that there was a background of "arms-race" about it amongst the bigger outfits & their trailers full of persian rugs, steel drumkits & whatnot, which was genuinely tongue-firmly-in-cheek long before "stonehenge".=20 I think it's a very modern (read: politically correct) thing to have any genuine, well-founded objections to the amount of horsepower required by the likes of ELP to mount their stage show.=20 back then, the complaints were about the attention they drew to themselves rather than any actual waste. though john peel called them a "waste of talent & electricity", he'd actually quite liked "the nice" & was merely voicing his disappointment with emerson's new direction. if he'd known the expression, I'm sure he would have said "YMMV". besides, a touring orchestra, opera or theatre company would have been about the same size, & probably would've been drawing smaller crowds. the punk "revolution" is overstated, even with this amount of hindsight.=20 we quickly forget how many experienced, slightly older musicians were drafted in by these "young turks" to assist & support their endeavours. (step forward nick mason & steve hillage, amonsgt others, who produced some of this "punk" stuff despite belonging in "the other camp".) & the same dave stewart I mentioned last time (i.e. not the guitarist who became a punk with annie lennox & then re-invented prog in the mid 80s with much fairlight noodlery as a eurythmic, but the one from egg/gong/bruford/national health) even appeared on top of the pops (a long running british tv chart show of some repute) wearing a PiL t-shirt. in fact, a great deal of this antipathy was invented by the music press, & by journalists generally.=20 at the bands' level, things were often quite different, with punk rock's glitterati turning up to see zeppelin at knebworth, ATV making albums with here&now, & eventually the clash releasing a triple album. sharing of concert bills made more sense than trying to stir up acrimony. for me, it's much simpler than any genre or social divide.=20 there'll always be a number of musicians who manage to combine the chops with the essential humour of music's ability to communicate, & there'll always be a number of musicians who fall to one side or the other of that bell-curve. some of the most technically adept musos of the 70s were the most humourless bunch you could imagine, & they made you ache for the cartoon nihilism of a sid vicious or a captain sensible.=20 hiromi made me want to see keith tippett, never mind keith emerson. I'm sure she can be very funny.... but I couldn't see it in her wackily titled showcase piece, I'm sorry. duncan.=20 =09 =09 =09 ************************************************************************ *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE =09 The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. =09 It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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>>I think the whole prog-bashing trend started = as sour=20 grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play = it.  As=20 I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these = young=20 turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much.

Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I = spell=20 excess E-L-P) rampant at the time!<<

I like to console myself that the excess was = necessary=20 somehow, & that there was a background of "arms-race" about it = amongst the=20 bigger outfits & their trailers full of persian rugs, steel = drumkits &=20 whatnot, which was genuinely tongue-firmly-in-cheek long before = "stonehenge".=20

I think it's a very modern (read: politically = correct) thing=20 to have any genuine, well-founded objections to the amount of = horsepower=20 required by the likes of ELP to mount their stage show.

back then, the complaints were about the attention = they drew=20 to themselves rather than any actual waste. though john peel called = them a=20 "waste of talent & electricity", he'd actually quite liked "the = nice"=20 & was merely voicing his disappointment with emerson's new = direction. if=20 he'd known the expression, I'm sure he would have said = "YMMV".

besides, a touring orchestra, opera or theatre = company would=20 have been about the same size, & probably would've been drawing = smaller=20 crowds.

the punk "revolution" is overstated, even with this = amount of=20 hindsight.
we quickly forget how many = experienced,=20 slightly older musicians were drafted in by these "young turks" to = assist=20 & support their endeavours. (step forward nick mason & steve = hillage,=20 amonsgt others, who produced some of this "punk" stuff despite = belonging in=20 "the other camp".)

& the same dave stewart I mentioned last time = (i.e. not=20 the guitarist who became a punk with annie lennox & then = re-invented prog=20 in the mid 80s with much fairlight noodlery as a eurythmic, but the = one from=20 egg/gong/bruford/national health) even appeared on top of the pops (a = long=20 running british tv chart show of some repute) wearing a PiL=20 t-shirt.

in fact, a great deal of this antipathy was invented = by the=20 music press, & by journalists generally.
at the=20 bands' level, things were often quite different, with punk rock's = glitterati=20 turning up to see zeppelin at knebworth, ATV making albums with = here&now,=20 & eventually the clash releasing a triple album. sharing of = concert bills=20 made more sense than trying to stir up acrimony.

for me, it's much simpler than any genre or social = divide.=20
there'll always be a number of musicians who = manage to=20 combine the chops with the essential humour of music's ability to = communicate,=20 & there'll always be a number of musicians who fall to one side or = the=20 other of that bell-curve. some of the most technically adept musos of = the 70s=20 were the most humourless bunch you could imagine, & they made you = ache for=20 the cartoon nihilism of a sid vicious or a captain sensible. =

hiromi made me want to see keith tippett, never mind = keith=20 emerson. I'm sure she can be very funny.... but I couldn't see it in = her=20 wackily titled showcase piece, I'm sorry.

duncan.




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 =00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69560.3C6434AD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:30:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2D313BF19; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008a01c69560$c18ed440$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <20060621180225.45674.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:30:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:30:23 +0000 (UTC) its the same as 2 edp players using brother sync http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ7.html Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup id be interested to know if anybody is using it this way and the tricks and possibilities involved! Luis > There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or > MIDI channels and sending > >two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when > working in stereo) would be > >compromised. > > No, there won't be any problem. We designed the > Echoplex to support this > type of use, and tested it to be sure it worked. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:37:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 566FB3BEDB; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <2246F72F-0147-11DB-960C-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> References: <2246F72F-0147-11DB-960C-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-809131688 Message-Id: <435f7523c6c7d5a0ee33a84ad113276a@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Prog Rock was Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:37:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:37:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-809131688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed There you go! I've been in touch with Kitt a bit, but lost touch with Stanley and Frank etc. Tried and tried to track down Mike Beck to no avail. cool! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 9:58 AM, Sheila Olson wrote: > Oh ya! > > Crafty Hands........ produced by Ken Scott I believe. > > > > joe > > On Wednesday, June 21, 2006, at 09:46 AM, Richard Sales wrote: > >> Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared >> bills in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, >> they were some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. >> Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on >> drums/creative percussion. >> >> And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The >> sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, >> when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! >> >> But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. >> She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand >> tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. >> So ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually >> like anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul >> I could muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be >> really embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - >> but the final product actually fits together well and the guitar >> comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). >> But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) folks >> want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the >> Zep's note blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the >> radar. But generally, guitar chops are seen as showing off. >> >> It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. >> richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com >> On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: >> >>> I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the >>> part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I >>> recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these >>> young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. >>> >>> Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess >>> E-L-P) rampant at the time! >>> >>> Regards from Boston, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >>> From: "Tony K" >>>> RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not >>>> counting on silver >>>> suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large >>>> modular >>>> though... >>>> >>>> I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up >>>> to but not >>>> including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" >>>> >>>> I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would >>>> rather listen >>>> to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting >>>> to note that >>>> there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. >>>> >>>> as said before. YMMV. >>>> >>>> Tony >>> --Apple-Mail-1-809131688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII There you go! I've been in touch with Kitt a bit, but lost touch with Stanley and Frank etc. Tried and tried to track down Mike Beck to no avail. cool! Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 9:58 AM, Sheila Olson wrote: Oh ya! Crafty Hands........ produced by Ken Scott I believe. joe On Wednesday, June 21, 2006, at 09:46 AM, Richard Sales wrote: Did any of you ever hear the prog band Happy The Man? We shared bills in the good old days (G.O.D.S) and I thought, and still think, they were some of the best and most creative of the prog genre. Especially in their first incarnation with Mike Beck on drums/creative percussion. And yes! The anti chop movement has been devastating to music. The sanctification of The Garage has been cataclysmic. But some nights, when I''m off, I'm really grateful for it! But recording guitar for my daughter I really saw the impact of this. She didn't want ANY string bends (I snuck in a few), any left hand tremolo (when she wasn't looking), anything that really stood out. So ALL of my parts are incredibly simple - which is what I usually like anyhow, but I mean REALLY SIMPLE. I learned to put all the soul I could muster into whole notes! While doing it I thought I would be really embarrassed - and threatened to not put my name on the CD - but the final product actually fits together well and the guitar comes off as organic and doesn't step on ANY toes (to say the least). But this is how a lot of younger (especially college age) folks want to hear music... or at least NEW music. They'll listen to the Zep's note blizzards all day long and somehow that slips under the radar. But generally, guitar chops are seen as showing off. It's a strange new world! Our job is getting easier. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 8:23 AM, Christophe wrote: I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. Not that there wasn't an awful lot of excess (and I spell excess E-L-P) rampant at the time! Regards from Boston, Chris -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" < RE: HiromiI'll be seeing Emerson on Sunday evening. I'm not counting on silver suit or knives in the B3. Apparently he does travel with a large modular though... I'm a prog-head and proud of it! I have all of the ELP albums up to but not including "Love Bleah" oh, I mean "Beach" I sometimes think it's just fashionable to trash prog, but I would rather listen to it than most of what's coming out these days. It is interesting to note that there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on. as said before. YMMV. Tony --Apple-Mail-1-809131688-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:49:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13E363BED3; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <326.64f0575.31caee9a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:48:58 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Prog=20Rock=A0=20was=20Hiromi?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_326.64f0575.31caee9a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:49:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_326.64f0575.31caee9a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/21/06 12:38:07 PM, richard@glasswing.com writes: > I've been in=A0 touch with Kitt a bit, but lost touch with Stanley and > Frank etc.=A0 Tried and tried to track down Mike Beck to no avail. > cool! >=20 mike beck is a friend of mine, and last i knew of he was living in the=20 indianapolis, indiana area working with a band called "dog talk." i actual= ly=20 played with him.........ugh, it's true.....20 some years ago, very briefly i= n a=20 band called "rumble." terrific, very creative, talented guy. if i can re= -find=20 his email address, i'll get it to you richard. John Floridis 406-721-9161 (home) 406-544-0787 (cell) johnfloridis.com --part1_326.64f0575.31caee9a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/21/06 12:38:07 PM, richard@glasswing.com writes:


I've been in=A0 touch= with Kitt a bit, but lost touch with Stanley and
Frank etc.=A0 Tried and tried to track down Mike Beck to no avail.
cool!


mike beck is a friend of mine, and last i knew of he was living in the india= napolis, indiana area working with a band called "dog talk."  i actual= ly played with him.........ugh, it's true.....20 some years ago, very briefl= y in a band called "rumble."  terrific, very creative, talented guy.&n= bsp; if i can re-find his email address, i'll get it to you richard.


John Floridis
406-721-9161 (home)
406-544-0787 (cell)
johnfloridis.com
 --part1_326.64f0575.31caee9a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:52:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AAEE3BEF4; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e601c69563$d04d8500$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:49:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:52:17 +0000 (UTC) > As an aside to this already off-topic thread, one of my complaints with > something like a Berklee / GIT education is that they drill the mistakes > right out of you. A side effect of this is that people are left with only > their imagination to rely on, as they rarely have need to recover from > mistakes, which is often some of the most inventive playing, IMO. > I had a friend when I was learning to play who told me if I made a mistake, just repeat it and everybody will think I did it on purpose. ;) Wasn't it Miles Davis who said that if you aren't making mistakes, you aren't playing Jazz? I do agree that there is a lot to be said for how you recover from a mistake and how you learn from them. So much of what I've been doing lately is complete improv which seems rooted in exploration and exploitation of mistakes! Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: RE: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) > At 1:33 PM -0400 6/21/06, Dean, Hal wrote: >>Call me a nitpicker on semantics, but I'd say the Hendrix Experience was >>LOOSE, not sloppy. There's a world of difference. A loose outfit may be >>communicating on a higher plane, while sloppiness is often a sign of the >>opposite - inattention to the moment. > > I think that sloppy and/or loose playing can also come from trying things > that are on the edge of your ability to pull off. I really enjoy this. > > One of my favorite guitarists is Phil Miller (Matching Mole, Hatfield and > the North, National Health, etc.). In many of his solos he is reaching for > _that_ note or phrase, and barely makes it, which can come across as a > little sloppy. I would rather listen to someone like Phill Miller grasping > for thing, than most other guitarists playing it safe. > > --- > > As an aside to this already off-topic thread, one of my complaints with > something like a Berklee / GIT education is that they drill the mistakes > right out of you. A side effect of this is that people are left with only > their imagination to rely on, as they rarely have need to recover from > mistakes, which is often some of the most inventive playing, IMO. > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:55:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA9E3BEEC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <515.e7b10f.31caf034@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:55:48 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Prog=20Rock=A0=20was=20Hiromi?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_515.e7b10f.31caf034_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_515.e7b10f.31caf034_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just to clarify.....my "ugh, it's true" had to do with the realization that it had been 20 years since i played with mike beck......certainly not an "ugh" at having played with him.....that was an honor. john --part1_515.e7b10f.31caf034_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just to clarify.....my "ugh, it's true"= had to do with the realization that it had been 20 years since= i played with mike beck......certainly not an "ugh" at having played with h= im.....that was an honor.

john --part1_515.e7b10f.31caf034_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 18:57:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B9903BEFF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jpEwfxWoOhSC9ep5JJnpoNjuediO2LZnbDF3YxmrtfvcZ7Cf07x78z9vJ0p9E1MgfR64d2j27edhTvZFB4CI1Q5svp7Syqn5p8pzrdysMfNu9QKORn0pBmJgyX4A+0wpt9TAcqu/tHMt8MtMpm0WZPvEdjLNXNysrPqwM/5fOcU= ; Message-ID: <20060621185739.3113.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) --- Chris Muir wrote: > > I think that sloppy and/or loose playing can also > come from trying things that are on the edge of your > ability to pull off. I really enjoy this. That's what Hendrix sounds like to me... with a dollup of "weooooooooooo! I'm tripping HARD!" Don't get me wrong, I LOVE TJHE but let's not even get into chops discussion. I only brought him up because I felt he was a great example of someone who, while good, wasn't incredible in terms of what we now call "chops." His emotion and creativity more than made up for any "looseness" or "slop" which was my original point. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 19:03:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8BA33BEF9; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <2e5.8579a1b.31caf1f4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:03:16 EDT Subject: mike beck To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2e5.8579a1b.31caf1f4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <3e17IB.A.LKB.DgZmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:03:31 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2e5.8579a1b.31caf1f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mike beck fans....... beck7620@aol.com that's the email address on the dog talk website- http://www.dogtalk.net John Floridis 406-721-9161 (home) 406-544-0787 (cell) johnfloridis.com --part1_2e5.8579a1b.31caf1f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mike beck fans.......

beck7620@aol.com  &n= bsp; that's the email address on the dog talk website-   <= FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">http://www.dogtalk.net


John Floridis
406-721-9161 (home)
406-544-0787 (cell)
johnfloridis.com
 --part1_2e5.8579a1b.31caf1f4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 19:06:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6111E3BF0A; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69565.CF28E2F9" Subject: RE: mike beck Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:06:32 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mike beck Thread-Index: AcaVZWT0M+1lHrmvTLyO8XgP+2A+BAAAGLtA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2006 19:06:33.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF7BCB30:01C69565] Resent-Message-ID: <0TcfIC.A.rYB.5iZmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:06:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69565.CF28E2F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks! =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Jfloridis@aol.com [mailto:Jfloridis@aol.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mike beck mike beck fans....... =09 beck7620@aol.com that's the email address on the dog talk website- http://www.dogtalk.net =20 =09 =09 John Floridis 406-721-9161 (home) 406-544-0787 (cell) johnfloridis.com =20 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69565.CF28E2F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks!
 
Hal Dean
-----Original = Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, = June=20 21, 2006 3:03 PM
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mike beck=20 fans.......

beck7620@aol.com    = that's the email=20 address on the dog talk website-   http://www.dogtalk.net


John=20 Floridis
406-721-9161 (home)
406-544-0787 (cell)
johnfloridis.com
 =00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69565.CF28E2F9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 19:29:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F21BD3BEDA; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=H2UGZSbEOnZds6iZN+19ndXXdzKxeXdsaO1M51TxkSemcC1WiA6ia8OdYhR8kv+YVS9KPeKiy4LAD/1QC/F0GfJCZdUmHvUcQExD9Zg9fMIHIkkrpLbNjgR93m2ZWHEIHyyX+cx8JxvHRgMYqfu5HRIBf0YmOXl3kg+GjBPKbWk= In-Reply-To: <64795.65.90.188.220.1150914266.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <7eccdae7efac1e39afcd972183163624@glasswing.com> <009501c6955e$364cb8e0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <64795.65.90.188.220.1150914266.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Mars Volta!!!! ( was Re: Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:28:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:29:04 +0000 (UTC) On 21 jun 2006, at 20.24, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Have any of you listened to The Mars Volta? Flippin' rock my balls > off! > It almost feels like Plant and Page all over again, but with a > different > kind of in-your-face attitide. I love it. Amazing! Oh yeah! I love Mars Volta! Have the latest CD albums. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 19:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4D623BEDE; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-813595062 Message-Id: <14cbce792d2d0ac6016308022a7e571c@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: mike beck Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:51:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <8qVBuB.A.dAD.CNamEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:51:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-813595062 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ooooh wee! I loved his playing so much. I thought he was just one of=20= the coolest drummers I ever saw... Last I'd heard he'd moved to the midwest or something. Wow! I went to dogtalk.net and there he is! too much. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 12:06 PM, Dean, Hal wrote: > Thanks! > =A0 > Hal=A0Dean > -----Original Message----- > From: Jfloridis@aol.com [mailto:Jfloridis@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: mike beck > >> mike beck fans....... >> >> beck7620@aol.com=A0=A0=A0 that's the email address on the dog talk=20 >> website-=A0=A0 http://www.dogtalk.net >> >> >> John Floridis >> 406-721-9161 (home) >> 406-544-0787 (cell) >> johnfloridis.com --Apple-Mail-2-813595062 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ooooh wee! I loved his playing so much. I thought he was just one of the coolest drummers I ever saw...=20 Last I'd heard he'd moved to the midwest or something. =20 Wow! I went to dogtalk.net and there he is! too much. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Jun-06, at 12:06 PM, Dean, Hal wrote: 0000,0000,FFFFThanks! =A0 = 0000,0000,FFFFHal=A0Dean -----Original Message----- From: Jfloridis@aol.com [mailto:Jfloridis@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mike beck Genevamike beck fans....... = Geneva0000,0000,EEEEbeck7620@aol.com=A0=A0=A0 that's the email address on the dog talk website-=A0=A0 = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.dogtalk.net GenevaJohn = Floridis Geneva406-721-9161 = (home) Geneva406-544-0787 = (cell) = Geneva0000,0000,EEEEjohnfloridis.com = --Apple-Mail-2-813595062-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 19:53:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB7633BEE6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c6956c$66c1c7a0$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:53:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:53:44 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Muir" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: RE: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) > At 1:33 PM -0400 6/21/06, Dean, Hal wrote: >>Call me a nitpicker on semantics, but I'd say the Hendrix Experience was >>LOOSE, not sloppy. There's a world of difference. A loose outfit may be >>communicating on a higher plane, while sloppiness is often a sign of the >>opposite - inattention to the moment. > > I think that sloppy and/or loose playing can also come from trying things > that are on the edge of your ability to pull off. I really enjoy this. > > One of my favorite guitarists is Phil Miller (Matching Mole, Hatfield and > the North, National Health, etc.). In many of his solos he is reaching for > _that_ note or phrase, and barely makes it, which can come across as a > little sloppy. I would rather listen to someone like Phill Miller grasping > for thing, than most other guitarists playing it safe. > > --- > > As an aside to this already off-topic thread, one of my complaints with > something like a >Berklee / GIT education is that they drill the mistakes > right out of you. A side effect of this is >that people are left with only > their imagination to rely on, as they rarely have need to recover >from > mistakes, which is often some of the most inventive playing, IMO. come on !! this is the same cliché argument again, would you say the same thing from any university ? creativity is also needed for scientists, businessmen, etc... the schools have nothing to do with that: creativity is a path to work on for anybody. and btw they recover from mistakes as much often as anyone, simply they recover more elegantly so you dont even hear it as a mistake. Claude GIT grad 1990 with honors :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 20:09:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53CAF3BEE8; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10599906.1150920564700.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:24 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: More Prog Rock MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Ya know who's been doing some really nice stuff - is Steve Hackett formerly of Genesis. Some reviewer made a comment that was so true re: his work. That he was definitely one of the major creative leaders of the band Genesis. Seems like he's come to terms with his music from that era (of course, he has a lot of newer stuff as well). Man, when he digs into some of the solos from Genesis tunes, yowza! There's a live version of "Everyday" on the 70s/80s/90s archive that just blows me away when I hear it. There are several tempo changes in odd meters at a few points in the song and his playing is right on. The live set in Japan he did with ex-menbers of King Crimson, Asia, Genesis is top rate - both the DVD & the 2 CD set. -- Paul Richards From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 20:20:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB0AC3BEDB; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dwP9EJdAtrnu0KI1ypqXBXd7DrPi+5gkWB1F26i8DHiWIGtWyIMZL1XdSy7uxj5CjvIqQYzmIFH08G1b9M78GWVundz98g5QLBMMVDoChGNVkwNRs7Zh3SOXP+nezsoYtNINIEf/J5T+T9Tx7N+MiTPS/0eT+8p8O0spwZidZAw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:20:11 -0700 From: "I P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_127293_3939946.1150921211093" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:20:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_127293_3939946.1150921211093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe ------=_Part_127293_3939946.1150921211093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe ------=_Part_127293_3939946.1150921211093-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 20:23:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C87A83BEEC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001601c6956c$66c1c7a0$0301a8c0@mlimli> References: <001601c6956c$66c1c7a0$0301a8c0@mlimli> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:23:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/1559/Wed Jun 21 07:23:13 2006 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:23:36 +0000 (UTC) At 9:53 PM +0200 6/21/06, claude voit wrote: >come on !! this is the same clich=E9 argument again, would you say the same= thing from any university ? creativity is also needed for scientists,= businessmen, etc... >the schools have nothing to do with that: creativity is a path to work on= for anybody. Well, any generalization has its problems, and mine was no exception. I certainly agree that creativity is something that needs to be cultivated= for pretty much anybody. Certainly there are a lot of good, highly= schooled, musicians. It just happens that the people I like best tended to= suss it out for themselves. Theodore Sturgeon said "Ninety percent of everything is crud." This probably= holds true whether self-educated or schooled. I also think that some of the most interesting scientists and businessmen= are largely self-taught. (e.g Einstein, Jobs, Gates) >and btw they recover from mistakes as much often as anyone, simply they= recover more elegantly so you dont even hear it as a mistake. And less interestingly, too, IMO. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 20:48:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0EAC3BEE4; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65385.65.90.188.220.1150922952.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:49:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: OT: BOSS PS-5 From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone on this list use the BOSS PS-5, and if so what do you think of it? --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 21:24:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CB063BECD; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4850.128.193.37.230.1150925050.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <65385.65.90.188.220.1150922952.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> References: <65385.65.90.188.220.1150922952.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BOSS PS-5 From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:24:12 +0000 (UTC) > Does anyone on this list use the BOSS PS-5, and if so what do you think of > it? It rocks. It's my secret weapon. The PS-5 can shift intervals that are in the key of the song which is better than the Digitech Whammy pedal which shifts fixed intervals. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 22:15:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AB283BEDA; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <046101c69580$325b6200$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Prog Rock was Hiromi Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:15:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-tWqOD.A.NKB.CUcmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Tony wrote: " It is interesting to note that there is a very active and very good modern prog scene going on." I really love the later Porcupine Tree and have seen them twice now. They are pretty proggy but also he is a fantastic melodist and singer (and a great guitarist to boot). Interestingly too, in the grunge scene, Tool has really taken on a bit of a prog vibe. Their last two records have very few even time signatures on them. The second to last (which I think is a powerful record) is almost entirely in 5/4, 5/8 or 10/8). It's very dark, somber, melancholy and mono melodic if you are a Yes fan, though, so be sure and know I told you so. Great drummer, by the way. *************************************** Yeah, Prog Rock: I was a huge prog fan in my later high school years and the first year of college ('71') but I must confess that I grew out of it in the much the same way that I grew out of Jazz Fusion (which I was a slavish fan of at it's inception). I guess in the long run for me, it always comes down to composition and I'm a song fan, so gratuitous riffage really leaves me cold these days. It's ironic because having played all my life I finally have the chops to play in both of those styles really well but I find that record producers are starting to ask me if I will please play more on a song these days when I do studio work. Personally, I love groove music and I always tell my students: when you are playing groove styled music of any kind you can only be doing one of two things at a time: 1) playing the groove or 2) commenting on the groove and, if you are commenting on the groove (riffing, filling) then you are NOT playing the groove. Because the groove is so trancey, I think a lot of musicians forget that it does not necessarily continue if you quit playing it. The musician playing the groove feels it more, I believe than the audience hearing it which makes it more important to be more conservative and minimal when attempting to leave the groove as a rhythm section player. Bill and I once saw Wah Wah Watson get 5,000 people dancing in 30 seconds with one L5 Gibson and a wah wah pedal. He WAS the groove. Now, I know this makes me a bit of an old fashioned player and this precludes the lion share of the Jam Bands that have proliferated so much but that's how I see it. Personally, I"d rather listen to a structured Prog Rock band than a meandering Jam Band (no matter how stellar the chops of the musicians). Okee dokee.................you can start flaming now.............lol From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 22:16:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A323BEE8; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LuXet7Hn9scJAY1iq2f9yKMyYccrdx6RIfVbvzkF6qLimJbfh17PNHEkuS+PULGxfw3UY3xuPQWup7MGJA/4L9Y3whftHAKhMQjtNqh+4qRVjQk8GVTrJHFGTHl/5iQier5rA/lI9yPyRFxD4MQtoZMM+vGLqMzepY9Ox+RP34Y= ; Message-ID: <20060621221644.93873.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <053101c694ec$31196b60$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie > would be fairly slim. Really? My brother has one and I swear it was one of the sweetest little amps I'd ever heard. Is there no place in this world for a nice little tube combo amp? Try ebay, I bet it goes quickly. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 22:22:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1C963BEDF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06de01c69581$3c944e70$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060621221644.93873.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:22:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:22:56 +0000 (UTC) >> Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie >> would be fairly slim. > > Really? Well, I meant from a price standpoint, but your points below are right on. I was going to try eBay next. > My brother has one and I swear it was one of > the sweetest little amps I'd ever heard. Is there no > place in this world for a nice little tube combo amp? > Try ebay, I bet it goes quickly. > > Mark Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 22:39:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5D613BEDF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:39:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ElwO/3VToJG5Puyd3/rbTk028dKHYQh4F7A3JoozyXVRULMQf2WpoImWdd0bNdENFqOnkQriuQ1RHH7wDdtiGYrKrfXAgF/5Iegdk99/RWjxnDoajw5HWcFjxQ7mWrUnzNZR3N1W0E92Msxo5ti9ICTJ6sxwsibKB18ZL5d3RK0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:39:48 +0200 From: "Thomas Rutgers" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cooking a song In-Reply-To: <551B3F77-4C64-407C-A5CF-08C425FDA1CB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_125462_26893773.1150929588908" References: <551B3F77-4C64-407C-A5CF-08C425FDA1CB@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:39:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_125462_26893773.1150929588908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ok, i'll take that with me, thanks! 2006/6/21, Per Boysen : > > On 21 jun 2006, at 11.54, Thomas Rutgers wrote: > > > does anyone know people/artists who perform solo, "recycling" > > themselves like live-loopers, but who use other compositorial > > techniques? > > > My knowledge is that every composer use to "write the same song every > time", at least according to themselves. And most remix wizards do > this with audio. Kind of "musical Ready-Mades" (as Marcel Duchamp did > with sculpture in 1914) as a well known sound or melody phrase takes > on a new meaning when recalled in a new context ;-) I guess you > could say that would go for most classical composers as well, since > one of the most important techniques have also been to re-use melodic > themes with variations to give them a slightly new twist as the piece > develops. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > ------=_Part_125462_26893773.1150929588908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ok, i'll take that with me, thanks!

2006/6/21, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
On 21 jun 2006, at 11.54, Thomas Rutgers wrote:

> does anyone know people/artists who perform solo, "recycling"
> themselves like live-loopers, but who use other compositorial
> techniques?


My knowledge is that every composer use to "write the same song every
time", at least according to themselves. And most remix wizards do
this with audio. Kind of "musical Ready-Mades" (as Marcel Duchamp did
with sculpture in 1914) as a well known sound or melody phrase takes
on a new meaning when recalled in a new context  ;-)  I guess you
could say that would go for most classical composers as well, since
one of the most important techniques have also been to re-use melodic
themes with variations to give them a slightly new twist as the piece
develops.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom




------=_Part_125462_26893773.1150929588908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59A9A3BEC1; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=D0C7MVjAOH034QUFXteZ/10/A9+Ga4wip6mSjnFM/jmWH01MUAi6kIN8cWc7xv11; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5471823.1150932042270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:20:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: BOSS PS-5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9401b4c931c1eadb3e21d65cb7cdbed5e6a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Joshua, It is a brilliant bit of kit. It gives you some perfectly excellent pitch shifts with the whammy type, pressure sensitive pedal. The harmony factor requires some thinking ahead in the whole scheme of soloing, but is very usable. The detune function, gives you this very lush, chorus-like spread. Lovely. It is a great tool for what it is. From a bang for the buck perspective, it can't be beat. I own two. Specific questions? Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Joshua Carroll >Sent: Jun 21, 2006 4:49 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: BOSS PS-5 > >Does anyone on this list use the BOSS PS-5, and if so what do you think of >it? > >--Josh > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 23:32:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD733BEC7; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:32:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <82C36494-FFFB-430C-B103-D44E28450734@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Regarding Steve Vai, I do believe that he has had hand in the beta test and preset design of the some of those Eventide presets. DR Z would have set us strait on that one, but that is what I recall. I met him years ago out in front of the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium before a Frank Zappa show. I was at the will call hoping my friend Scott Thunes had comped me a ticket (he hadn't, I guess we weren't that close :o) Steve Vai happened to be standing in line behind me, overheard my conversation, and offered to go find Scott to get me in. Those were my early 20's, the ramen years....and I only had half the ticket price on me. Sure enough 5 minutes later Scott comes running up to the front door, explains that Bill Graham presents was tight on the guest list, and slips me 5 bucks to cover the ticket. Thanks Scott, where ever you are! Later, after the show I met Steve again and thanked him, and also met the hilarious Ray White. Even back then Steve had an aura about him and a little brace of male guitar groupies crowding around him as he showed some of the charts to Franks music, including the infamous Black Page...He was very generous with them, and generous toward me. I've always had a soft spot for Steve since, though I can't say I really listen to his music. I really appreciate what he has done to expose other talent with his favored nations label, though I can't say I've listened to a lot of those artists either, but the point is that its a musician calling the shots rather than some bean counter, and I appreciate that. Seemed like a genuine guy, and I'm sure he still is. Now Yngwie on the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can bash him all you want;-) I think that often times the pitfall of virtuosity, is the constant need to best oneself technically. At what point is a composition fast enough or complex enough? for me, it gets to a point where I can't process that much information. Alan Holdsworth is the same for me, its just too many ideas , bam bam bam. When I was younger I could enjoy it more, now it just sounds like a cat piano. I remember someone I know who was close to Michael Hedges saying that he was really rebelling against his Audiences desire to have him keep writing Aerial Boundaries over and over again, i.e. keep exploiting his prodigious two hand technique, and that he wanted to show himself as a more complete musician, playing keys and flute, and singing. I must say, I was one of those captivated by his unique brand of virtuosity, but I'd gladly sit through an evening of him playing flute or quoting Jabberwocky, to have him back among us. perhaps one day when Vai is in his 60's, he will record that slow languid lyrical ambient CD he has been keeping in the vaults... or he'll put out a smooth jazz CD, shudder to think! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) On 21 jun 2006, at 19.11, mark sottilaro wrote: > Now, I know a lot of you probably like Steve Vai I don't. But my brother does. Once he played me "a cool Vai tune" and what I heard was Vai playing guitar, just like he always does, but this time through a certain default preset of the Eventide Eclipse. I couldn't believe he just plugged into the Eventide like any simple effect box and shredded away! But I guess I would enjoy hearing Vai live, just as I did when hearing Dexter Gordon doing his "Juke Box Game Thing" without almost playing a single original note. > While > I'm at it, have you ever listened to how sloppy The > Jimi Hendrix Experience is? I love every moment of > it. Yeah, wonderfully sloppy! When "sloppyness" oozes of that what-the- hell attitude I do love it. But when "sloppyness" oozes of ignorance I just can't stand it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 23:35:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E2DC3BEDA; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:35:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <053101c694ec$31196b60$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-kwus.A.C9D.pedmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:35:06 +0000 (UTC) The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very small , loud as you would need, and nice simple effects. and its a head cabinet design that uses speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube 30 because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of effects...anybody have one? My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb, and the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box. It is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to get inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get some interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box. I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need to give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red boxes. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Kris, > > 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. > I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors > you mentioned on the list the other day however. > > Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. > But a really good processor (or two) with some new > creative potential sounds attractive. > > Anything more you care to say about them? > > Ted > > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Any takers? It's a beauty. >> >> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >> >> Kris >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 21 23:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039203BEDB; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FMdtNKPfAbouBIcU96ShjTD/vZu8bNnOWBHtG2xuBjAfZuOEr4WZf/ZSXlflbWf0jzAPLE2MLD35xdHjEyNf9mjHMjhGO60RWfw2ZmTy18gShI0X20VA7p6dEOzpHyGOzt3z1FwAzaIxy2dhbYN/SmsdhXFZr18Jq/ZJ6rvnto4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:56:21 -0400 From: Joey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <82C36494-FFFB-430C-B103-D44E28450734@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:56:23 +0000 (UTC) On 6/21/06, William Walker wrote: > Now Yngwie on > the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what > of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can > bash him all you want;-) Did somebody say Yngwie ??? Anybody else love this mp3 as much as I do? http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=8100 Joey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 00:13:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23F483BEDE; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004b01c69590$9a9345d0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:12:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <8KLx0B.A.cTF.QCemEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:13:04 +0000 (UTC) You're not a nitpicker on semantics in the least. IMNSHO, The Jimi Hendrix Experience wasn't "sloppy". They were cool, and digging the gig, and it shown through the playing, hm? From: "Dean, Hal " > Call me a nitpicker on semantics, but I'd say the Hendrix Experience was > LOOSE, not sloppy. There's a world of difference. A loose outfit may be > communicating on a higher plane, while sloppiness is often a sign of the > opposite - inattention to the moment. > > Hal Dean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:29 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) > > > On 21 jun 2006, at 19.11, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Now, I know a lot of you probably like Steve Vai > > I don't. But my brother does. Once he played me "a cool Vai tune" and > what I heard was Vai playing guitar, just like he always does, but > this time through a certain default preset of the Eventide Eclipse. I > couldn't believe he just plugged into the Eventide like any simple > effect box and shredded away! But I guess I would enjoy hearing Vai > live, just as I did when hearing Dexter Gordon doing his "Juke Box > Game Thing" without almost playing a single original note. > > >> While >> I'm at it, have you ever listened to how sloppy The >> Jimi Hendrix Experience is? I love every moment of >> it. > > Yeah, wonderfully sloppy! When "sloppyness" oozes of that what-the- > hell attitude I do love it. But when "sloppyness" oozes of ignorance > I just can't stand it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 00:22:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899273BEE0; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gisCZdoX9PldRsojQkGC7uVq5kgU4vgwgkbSaifjjOHB18t1XnI+I7BSnaarOP8YjjYQgv8wkLO3cf0/I06NV3BV7zjJfMBKhwmHgMD8FTqww/+70GVOYL9D3fdjKnQcxRZRl7kOPpHWuA6q6ZdH6jaDWN7i1qQeggpctzBLsrY= ; Message-ID: <20060622002200.11183.qmail@web27704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:22:00 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-667966041-1150935720=:9532" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:22:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-667966041-1150935720=:9532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mwahahahahahahaaaa ... "you've unleashed the f**kin' fury" ... classic ... Joey wrote: On 6/21/06, William Walker wrote: > Now Yngwie on > the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what > of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can > bash him all you want;-) Did somebody say Yngwie ??? Anybody else love this mp3 as much as I do? http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=8100 Joey --------------------------------- Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal --0-667966041-1150935720=:9532 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mwahahahahahahaaaa ... "you've unleashed the f**kin' fury" ... classic ...

Joey <tentaclejoe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/21/06, William Walker wrote:
> Now Yngwie on
> the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what
> of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can
> bash him all you want;-)

Did somebody say Yngwie ???

Anybody else love this mp3 as much as I do?

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=8100

Joey


Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal --0-667966041-1150935720=:9532-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 00:41:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E903BEC2; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <4f9.1052ec2.31cb4137@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:41:27 EDT Subject: Re: Mars Volta!!!! ( was Re: Hiromi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1150936886" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:41:32 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1150936886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mars Volta is great. One should also check out solo material from the guitarist Omar if they like. -------------------------------1150936886 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mars Volta is great.  One should also check out solo material from= the=20 guitarist Omar if they like.
 -------------------------------1150936886-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 01:15:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 282A23BEE6; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <071c01c69599$59145f00$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:15:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:15:31 +0000 (UTC) What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now and can't find anything called a jazz amp. The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000 $200 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very small , loud as you would > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head cabinet design that uses > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd > be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube > 30 > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of > effects...anybody have one? > > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb, > and > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box. > It > is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to > get > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get > some > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box. > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need > to > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red > boxes. > :) > > Kris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Kris, >> >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. >> >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. >> But a really good processor (or two) with some new >> creative potential sounds attractive. >> >> Anything more you care to say about them? >> >> Ted >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. >>> >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 01:40:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5577D3BECD; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1221.70.242.52.209.1150940471.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <4850.128.193.37.230.1150925050.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <65385.65.90.188.220.1150922952.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> <4850.128.193.37.230.1150925050.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:41:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BOSS PS-5 From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Have you used any of the flutter or trem arm functions? Have you played it with an expression pedal? I'd love to hear your thoughts on those functions. --Josh >> Does anyone on this list use the BOSS PS-5, and if so what do you think >> of >> it? > > It rocks. It's my secret weapon. The PS-5 can shift intervals that are > in > the key of the song which is better than the Digitech Whammy pedal which > shifts fixed intervals. > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 01:42:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A90863BECA; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:42:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <071c01c69599$59145f00$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The amp is called oddly enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now and can't find anything called a jazz amp. The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000 $200 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very small , loud as you would > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head cabinet design that uses > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd > be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube > 30 > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of > effects...anybody have one? > > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb, > and > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box. > It > is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to > get > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get > some > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box. > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need > to > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red > boxes. > :) > > Kris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Kris, >> >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. >> >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. >> But a really good processor (or two) with some new >> creative potential sounds attractive. >> >> Anything more you care to say about them? >> >> Ted >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. >>> >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 01:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 546653BEE2; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C69562.D9B1CE40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060622002200.11183.qmail@web27704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:45:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C69562.D9B1CE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My wife thinks I unleash the fury every night budumdum... I'll be here all week folks...enjoy the veal, Yngwie, enjoy the raw reindeer that your pal Ted Nugent just shot with his crossbow and skinned. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tony Douglas [mailto:tonyisyourpal@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) Mwahahahahahahaaaa ... "you've unleashed the f**kin' fury" ... classic ... Joey wrote: On 6/21/06, William Walker wrote: > Now Yngwie on > the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what > of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can > bash him all you want;-) Did somebody say Yngwie ??? Anybody else love this mp3 as much as I do? http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemI D=8100 Joey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . 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My=20 wife thinks I unleash the fury every night = budumdum...
I'll=20 be here all week folks...enjoy the veal,
Yngwie, enjoy the raw reindeer that your pal Ted Nugent just = shot with=20 his crossbow and skinned.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Douglas=20 [mailto:tonyisyourpal@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, = 2006=20 5:22 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Sloppiness (was: Re: = Hiromi)

Mwahahahahahahaaaa ...=20 "you've unleashed the f**kin' fury" ... classic ...

Joey=20 <tentaclejoe@gmail.com> wrote:
On=20 6/21/06, William Walker wrote:
> Now = Yngwie=20 on
> the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice = person,=20 some what
> of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far = as I'm=20 concerned you can
> bash him all you want;-)

Did = somebody say=20 Yngwie ???

Anybody else love this mp3 as much as I=20 = do?

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=3DArtic= le&newsitemID=3D8100

Joey


Try the all-new=20 Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" =96 The = Wall=20 Street Journal
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C69562.D9B1CE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 01:48:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C888F3BED6; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1193.70.242.52.209.1150940936.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <046101c69580$325b6200$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <046101c69580$325b6200$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:48:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Prog Rock was Hiromi From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:48:30 +0000 (UTC) I've actually got Tool's Lateralus album playing on my iPod right now. I'm a sucker for odd time signatures. Personally, and way off topic, I really enjoy when a band can do complicated time signatures in a way that it doesn't really stand out, but just fits the song and so doesn't sound odd. That's especially impressive if they can change signatures multiple times without creating a "jerky" feel. Radiohead has done a little of that. --Josh > Tony wrote: > " It is interesting to note that there is a very active and very good > modern > prog scene going on." > > I really love the later Porcupine Tree and have seen them twice now. > They are pretty proggy > but also he is a fantastic melodist and singer (and a great guitarist to > boot). > > Interestingly too, in the grunge scene, Tool has really taken on a bit > of > a prog vibe. Their last two records > have very few even time signatures on them. The second to last (which I > think is a powerful record) is > almost entirely in 5/4, 5/8 or 10/8). It's very dark, somber, > melancholy > and mono melodic if you are a Yes fan, though, so > be sure and know I told you so. Great drummer, by the way. > > *************************************** > > Yeah, Prog Rock: > > > I was a huge prog fan in my later high school years and the first year of > college ('71') > but I must confess that I grew out of it in the much the same way that I > grew out of Jazz Fusion > (which I was a slavish fan of at it's inception). > > I guess in the long run for me, it always comes down to composition and > I'm > a song fan, so > gratuitous riffage really leaves me cold these days. It's ironic because > having played all my life > I finally have the chops to play in both of those styles really well but I > find that record producers > are starting to ask me if I will please play more on a song these days > when > I do studio work. > > Personally, I love groove music and I always tell my students: when you > are playing groove > styled music of any kind you can only be doing one of two things at a > time: > 1) playing the groove or > 2) commenting on the groove > > and, if you are commenting on the groove (riffing, filling) then you are > NOT > playing the groove. > Because the groove is so trancey, I think a lot of musicians forget that > it > does not necessarily continue if you quit playing it. > The musician playing the groove feels it more, I believe than the audience > hearing it which makes it more important to be > more conservative and minimal when attempting to leave the groove as a > rhythm section player. > > Bill and I once saw Wah Wah Watson get 5,000 people dancing in 30 seconds > with one L5 Gibson and a wah wah pedal. > He WAS the groove. > > Now, I know this makes me a bit of an old fashioned player and this > precludes the lion share of the Jam Bands that have proliferated so much > but that's how I see it. > > Personally, I"d rather listen to a structured Prog Rock band than a > meandering Jam Band (no matter how stellar the chops of the musicians). > > Okee dokee.................you can start flaming now.............lol > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 01:56:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 917443BEDC; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:55:37 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: mistakes Re: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4499F899.3020701@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAMCSmUSBTg References: <00e601c69563$d04d8500$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: <0BQ2_B.A.7TC.4ifmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: >> As an aside to this already off-topic thread, one of my complaints >> with something like a Berklee / GIT education is that they drill the >> mistakes right out of you. A side effect of this is that people are >> left with only their imagination to rely on, as they rarely have need >> to recover from mistakes, which is often some of the most inventive >> playing, IMO. >> > > I had a friend when I was learning to play who told me if I made a > mistake, just repeat it and everybody will think I did it on purpose. ;) > > Wasn't it Miles Davis who said that if you aren't making mistakes, you > aren't playing Jazz? You've got a ;) after the above, but that's what I do during a live performance: if I throw something in that doesn't sound right--I force myself to try to make something good out of that mistake. Sometime it works, sometimes not. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 02:02:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02DAC3BECD; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:02:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:02:31 +0000 (UTC) sweet. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Joey [mailto:tentaclejoe@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) On 6/21/06, William Walker wrote: > Now Yngwie on > the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what > of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can > bash him all you want;-) Did somebody say Yngwie ??? Anybody else love this mp3 as much as I do? http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=81 00 Joey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 02:43:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2CF03BED3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:43:08 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Liquid Mix? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0vx1zC.A.BEE.FPgmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi, sorry for off topic.. anyone tried Focusrite Liquid Mix? I would like to know opinions.. thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 04:18:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2092A3BED3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:18:43 -0400 Message-ID: <014401c695b2$f3205ea0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaVqlkgmbSvxDkGQBy30R7yiqWLigAB2k3w Resent-Message-ID: <09L3JC.A.3pG.johmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:18:44 +0000 (UTC) >Now Yngwie on >the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what >of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can >bash him all you want;-) Yngwie Super Amazing Guitar God Lesson. (Very funny) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM&search=yngwie Tony -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sloppiness (was: Re: Hiromi) Regarding Steve Vai, I do believe that he has had hand in the beta test and preset design of the some of those Eventide presets. DR Z would have set us strait on that one, but that is what I recall. I met him years ago out in front of the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium before a Frank Zappa show. I was at the will call hoping my friend Scott Thunes had comped me a ticket (he hadn't, I guess we weren't that close :o) Steve Vai happened to be standing in line behind me, overheard my conversation, and offered to go find Scott to get me in. Those were my early 20's, the ramen years....and I only had half the ticket price on me. Sure enough 5 minutes later Scott comes running up to the front door, explains that Bill Graham presents was tight on the guest list, and slips me 5 bucks to cover the ticket. Thanks Scott, where ever you are! Later, after the show I met Steve again and thanked him, and also met the hilarious Ray White. Even back then Steve had an aura about him and a little brace of male guitar groupies crowding around him as he showed some of the charts to Franks music, including the infamous Black Page...He was very generous with them, and generous toward me. I've always had a soft spot for Steve since, though I can't say I really listen to his music. I really appreciate what he has done to expose other talent with his favored nations label, though I can't say I've listened to a lot of those artists either, but the point is that its a musician calling the shots rather than some bean counter, and I appreciate that. Seemed like a genuine guy, and I'm sure he still is. Now Yngwie on the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can bash him all you want;-) I think that often times the pitfall of virtuosity, is the constant need to best oneself technically. At what point is a composition fast enough or complex enough? for me, it gets to a point where I can't process that much information. Alan Holdsworth is the same for me, its just too many ideas , bam bam bam. When I was younger I could enjoy it more, now it just sounds like a cat piano. I remember someone I know who was close to Michael Hedges saying that he was really rebelling against his Audiences desire to have him keep writing Aerial Boundaries over and over again, i.e. keep exploiting his prodigious two hand technique, and that he wanted to show himself as a more complete musician, playing keys and flute, and singing. I must say, I was one of those captivated by his unique brand of virtuosity, but I'd gladly sit through an evening of him playing flute or quoting Jabberwocky, to have him back among us. perhaps one day when Vai is in his 60's, he will record that slow languid lyrical ambient CD he has been keeping in the vaults... or he'll put out a smooth jazz CD, shudder to think! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 05:21:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F073BED5; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAMTEmUSBTYgl Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060621120208.01ba5990@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:12:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Cooking a song In-Reply-To: <20060621100022.3858E3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060621100022.3858E3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:21:13 +0000 (UTC) At 11:00 21/06/2006, you wrote: >use other compositorial techniques? >so not "building up" loop on loop, but for example playing back a >little melody that was played 3 minutes ago, on a different tempo, >so it just fits with the rythm played 5 minutes ago while the vocals >are played backward again... in this way "cooking" a song. J.S. Bach for starters. The Art of Fugue andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 05:53:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE6823BEC7; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAEfMmUSBTYgk Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060621162207.01b704a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:30:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Hiromi In-Reply-To: <20060621142908.B37C53BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060621142908.B37C53BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-1yS0.A.ADB.-AjmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:53:02 +0000 (UTC) At 15:29 21/06/2006, you wrote: >Also liked BrandX a lot more than >the later Phil Collins 0utlets. Ok, guys - flame on! ;- ) ah...Brand X, I loved that band at the time. ...but very disappointing to hear again years later. >Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called >Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps >on this list? indeed :-) they morphed into an instrumental band called "National Health" (very ahead of their time in picking a really dull name) the other essential curiosity from that era is "Henry Cow", probably the most experimental of the "prog" bands andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 06:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B41A3BEAB; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AVwPAEfMmUSBTYRGg14 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060621115912.01bb2598@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:01:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Hiromi In-Reply-To: <20060621100022.3858E3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060621100022.3858E3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:05:09 +0000 (UTC) > >Come on you guys, admit it. > >It's really the bass players fuzzy sweater that you all have your >panties in a bunch over! no Rick....it's the fact that at the same time he's playing he's simultaneously working the footpump that keeps the sweater inflated. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 06:39:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36E83BECD; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <449A3B0C.2080606@biink.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:39:08 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hiromi References: <20060621142908.B37C53BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060621162207.01b704a0@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060621162207.01b704a0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:39:06 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > At 15:29 21/06/2006, you wrote: > >> Also liked BrandX a lot more than >> the later Phil Collins 0utlets. Ok, guys - flame on! ;- ) > > > ah...Brand X, > I loved that band at the time. > ...but very disappointing to hear again years later. yep! > > > >> Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called >> Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps >> on this list? > > > indeed :-) > they morphed into an instrumental band called "National Health" > (very ahead of their time in picking a really dull name) Hatfield is playing in NYC this weekend. > > the other essential curiosity from that era is > "Henry Cow", probably the most experimental of the "prog" bands Legend. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 06:52:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE9083BED3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05a201c695c8$7cd7c0b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Anyone have this recording? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:52:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:52:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a full bandwidth copy of the tune 'Sugar' by Stanley Turrentine. Unfortunately, it looks like all the old CTI jazz records are out of print. I'm making a good modal jazz compilation for a live project I'm putting together and I'd be happy to trade a copy of it for a burned copy of this tune (or even the entire album on CD). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 06:55:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C4673BED3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05aa01c695c8$e108dc90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Anyone have this recording? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:55:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:55:43 +0000 (UTC) my bad..................it is in print afterall. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000630CA/002-5361397-3768825?v=glance&n=5174 I"m still up for a trade if someone has it, though. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 07:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFCCD3BEDA; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cBp+DKUAxk+2FvZNN+JU2PVBXLI2igkhb4L6Iwg3xkeDLfdZz0UKhQyRCq8PZd51HdhjxwUvjOTm0ORU4BA8L9HZAf4zhezRWSsF9iZ8yDVVCkdbe/af8c3pi6pd/6eN+2fA7tBXvns5oy0AO6QsVJO1vUoIpW8ula3nqchP5bg= ; Message-ID: <20060622070551.3285.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:05:53 +0000 (UTC) i had an argument about this the other day when i was talking to a guy whos is a classical trained pianist and blew up as i told them that technique doesnt really interfere in my judging of good music or performance,i simply react unconsciously to sound that sends chills down my spine regardless of technique,style or otherwise.He then said if music doesnt have some sort of competent technique for him is simply uninteresting and most of it(like a lot of rock)uncompetent overhyped commercialized trash... could it be that self taught people should have more understanding of "academics and technique" as well as trained people about "street and intuition"? I also know that to write a good song,sing,get interesting guitar tones,or play that overhyped incompetent commercialized trash u hear in pop music is a lot of work! Luis > > I also think that some of the most interesting > scientists and businessmen are largely self-taught. > (e.g Einstein, Jobs, Gates) > >and btw they recover from mistakes as much often as > anyone, simply they recover more elegantly so you > dont even hear it as a mistake. > > And less interestingly, too, IMO. > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and > only one status quo. > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives > mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." > - Brian Eno > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 07:27:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845133BECC; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mh9nEeRARzVotT4/vW8Bpz34fS4d304C/u1HcHSt7TxkJkW2cSB2HMlk/JSvHFKp7CJpKgqPbyEzrjUZj/tgCno7+7UpdFtboLhMNz+y/vS4SJWiiQLu3XXs6oepphtbKAkm+g3sMEXjYzCSvK4vz23xaKk8aQ7nfF2w80AVcBM= ; Message-ID: <20060622072732.10742.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Hiromi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64767.65.90.188.220.1150913959.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:27:34 +0000 (UTC) >Ha! this also reminds me back in the early 90´s when i was learning electric guitar and was talking to this girl,she had just been to a flamenco concert and was floored by the guitarrists and then i wanted to impress her by telling her about me playing in a rock band and my rock favorites and she just said,well all that horrible squaling and macho noise i dont understand it,i guess its just a guy thing;-) Luis > I heard a great Queen-esque guitar solo on the radio > a few months ago, and > I went off on a rant on the lack of that sort of > thing in modern music. > When I ended with the question "what ever happened > to guitar solos > anyway?" my wife responded without a second thought: > "guitar players." > And she was probably right... as much as I hate to > admit it (being a > guitar-solo nut myself). There's just been too much > "wankery," and not > enough "soul." Too much Vai, not enough Vaughan. > www.luis-angulo.com www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 08:06:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBD1C3BED5; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p9IQxmk9LqKDUDYDIV/YHLS/6kv0rwQua9qPWjhkTM9wDHsrxbOPfBDDXjwAW7Ss7gY3pi+ad383UXyySvjky9RUzxWVjQ3HpFKXlRd+WGyAjpdh8lcSSu5p0/m9LMN3B/9IX8RrY2TRSZwwXuaR0VshjykeiMXCUio7XbiJwUg= ; Message-ID: <20060622080656.91041.qmail@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1245262364-1150963616=:60398" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-RktsC.A.h0.h-kmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:06:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-1245262364-1150963616=:60398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-1245262364-1150963616=:60398 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica

Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-1245262364-1150963616=:60398-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 08:54:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30F1C3BECD; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: oud simulator? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:53:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6959E.AD48F950" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060622080656.91041.qmail@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:54:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6959E.AD48F950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6959E.AD48F950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've=20 heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by = Rick Turner=20 do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of = at=20 least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't = remember=20 his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank = the frets=20 from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. = I do=20 know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are = less=20 expensive, but still have the great pickups and=20 construction.
Good=20 luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica=20 [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, = 2006 1:07=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud=20 simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or = box out=20 there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing = with all=20 the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if = there was=20
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica

Sneak preview the all-new=20 Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6959E.AD48F950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 10:19:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37E023BECD; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:19:54 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060622101954.8750@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ableton w/ VST Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-vFibB.A.wNE.L7mmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks Yesterday I've managed to run Mobius with Ableton (I intend to mostly use Mac, though). Using Moebius, I can get loops of any length into Ableton, indeed. Now, what I want to figure out: Once I get a loop of any length into Ableton via Moebius - how can I create additional loops of same/multiple length? I guess I could do several loops like that in paralell within Moebius. However, I would like to have different effect settings for each loop. Any ideas? Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 10:27:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396903BED3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:27:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <449A70AA.8060709@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:27:20 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the "Elysium Planitita." For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 10:45:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D41A33BECA; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:45:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tjYMxqEM4X0XLCEj6gcjxonYSt0sGcaIW3YnNyltSTHW+IFDvFbwC3lf5v8kyATrGTxV3l+bzMSCm4E72MgYTC9ZGhn3d70DErqj2+Aom51xlzNyAi9uBc6uNNB50XUXRzDvcGZlX85RQ1S9j+hft7J8hxB4zIk+gLnFu1OP/7I= In-Reply-To: <20060622101954.8750@gmx.net> References: <20060622101954.8750@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:45:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:45:32 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2006, at 12.19, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Yesterday I've managed to run Mobius with Ableton (I intend to > mostly use Mac, though). Then you will have to run XP on the Mac (Intel CPU Mac + Boot Camp) > Using Moebius, I can get loops of any length into Ableton, indeed. > Now, what I want to figure out: > Once I get a loop of any length into Ableton via Moebius - how can > I create additional loops of same/multiple length? In Live: Us the global quantization and record audio to a track, thus creating a lIve audio clip. In Mobius: Set the Preset so Mobius will create a new loop of the same length (as the one you are coming from) when you select a new and empty (Mobius) track. > I guess I could do several loops like that in paralell within > Moebius. However, I would like to have different effect settings > for each loop. Set eight Live tracks (session view) to fetch the eight track outputs from Mobius. Now, if you create a new loop on a new Mobius track it will send audio into its own dedicated Live channel/track. But you should know that the concept of splitting audio over many channels to apply effects in real-time will eat up a lot of CPU power. I used that concept in the past but left it for musical/ performance reasons. Instead I now use effects before loopers and record effects as parts of the loops. I may go back to your concept some day in the future if super powerful laptops are available. Until then I prefer to work the instant composing stuff on a master track level (mangling the summed layers/loops) instead of taking the remix approach to split it up in parallel. (but when producing recorded music I definitely use as much multi-track techniques as possible) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 12:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522843BED3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:02:21 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060622120221.57070@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060622101954.8750@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per I knew you would be answering ;-) > Then you will have to run XP on the Mac (Intel CPU Mac + Boot Camp) I was hoping to be able to use something on Mac instead (SooperLooper, AU Looper, Augustus...). I didn't have time to try these options yet, hope they also perform in similar fashion like Mobius (though none of them seems so powerful). > Set eight Live tracks (session view) to fetch the eight track outputs > >from Mobius. Wow, interesting approach. So I can use _the same Mobius with synced loops to go to 8 Ableton channels? That would be fantastic, gotta try that out. > But you should know that the concept of splitting audio over many > channels to apply effects in real-time will eat up a lot of CPU > power. We'll see how my machine will perform ;-) > I prefer to work the instant composing stuff on a master track > level (mangling the summed layers/loops) instead of taking the remix > approach to split it up in parallel. I like to mix stuff until I have a certain density. Then, to keep the mix interesting, I like to add some delay or phaser/flanger or reverse on some loops. But if you have 8 loops in Mobius, I guess I could pick a loop and then resample it with effects, would be probably less CPU consuming. Could it perhaps work the other way - using Ableton as effect machine for Mobius? When playing live music - even just for myself - I prefer to have minimum contact with a computer and rely on musicality & hardware instead. I'm still not sure if I'll stick to my hardware-dogma or find a way to integrate Ableton/SW-Loopers. We'll see. I'll keep on experimenting with both worlds (HW/SW) before I decide. Best regards and thanks Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 12:04:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30DFC3BECD; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:04:11 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001e01c695f3$f947ed70$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oqgPcOVNivLAbe12QykmVg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:04:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_oqgPcOVNivLAbe12QykmVg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There are a couple of good looking electric ouds made by Viken Najarian http://www.oud.net/ Review of the E-1000 on Harmony http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Najarian/E_1000-1.html http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=2274 There`s a clip on this site of one similar looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap sound quality but gives an idea. Site seems to be inactive. http://electricoud.com/ Lark in The Morning has an electric oud by "Renowned Turkish luthier Saadettin Sandi" http://larkinthemorning.com/product.asp?pn=OUD014&Electric+Oud=&bhcd2=1150975858 other places to look http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/index.php http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=main The message board on unfretted can probably answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar may sound oudlike with some EQing. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: RE: oud simulator? I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --Boundary_(ID_oqgPcOVNivLAbe12QykmVg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
There are a couple of good looking electric ouds made by Viken Najarian
Review of the E-1000 on Harmony
 
There`s a clip on this site of one similar looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap
sound quality but gives an idea. Site seems to be inactive.
 
Lark in The Morning has an electric oud by "Renowned Turkish luthier Saadettin Sandi"
 
 
other places to look
 
The message board on unfretted can probably answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar
may sound oudlike with some EQing.
 
 
T.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: oud simulator?

I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction.
Good luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica

Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.
--Boundary_(ID_oqgPcOVNivLAbe12QykmVg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 12:19:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72CE63BEDC; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C695F6.21585379" Subject: RE: oud simulator? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:19:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: oud simulator? Thread-Index: AcaV8/5Tn49ERpVFTumZMKCo6sTlnwAAd4fQ From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 12:19:38.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[21C5C360:01C695F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:19:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C695F6.21585379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Najarian acoustic oud. He makes fabulous instuments. =20 Anyone interested in oud who hasn't heard what Brad Shepik does with an electric oud or saz should seek out his work. =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:trem@broadpark.no]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oud simulator? =09 =09 =09 There are a couple of good looking electric ouds made by Viken Najarian=20 http://www.oud.net/ Review of the E-1000 on Harmony =09 http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Najarian/E_1000-1.html http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=3D2274 =20 There`s a clip on this site of one similar looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap sound quality but gives an idea. Site seems to be inactive. http://electricoud.com/ =20 Lark in The Morning has an electric oud by "Renowned Turkish luthier Saadettin Sandi" =09 http://larkinthemorning.com/product.asp?pn=3DOUD014&Electric+Oud=3D&bhcd2= =3D11 50975858 =20 =20 other places to look http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/index.php http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=3Dmain =20 The message board on unfretted can probably answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar may sound oudlike with some EQing. =20 =20 T. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William Walker =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: RE: oud simulator? I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? =09 =09 =20 =20 =20 Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the=20 maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was=20 a simulation for guitar. Any info? =20 A thousand salaams... Monica =09 ________________________________ Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com . = It's not radically different. Just radically better.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C695F6.21585379 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I=20 have a Najarian acoustic oud. He makes fabulous = instuments.
 
Anyone interested in oud who hasn't heard = what Brad=20 Shepik does with an electric oud or saz should seek out his=20 work.
 
Hal Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: = Torstein H. Rem=20 [mailto:trem@broadpark.no]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 = 8:04=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 oud simulator?

There are a couple of good looking = electric ouds=20 made by Viken Najarian=20
http://www.oud.net/
Review of the E-1000 on=20 Harmony
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Najarian/E_1000-1.html=
h= ttp://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=3D2274<= /DIV>
 
There`s a clip on this site of one = similar=20 looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap
sound quality but gives an idea. Site = seems to be=20 inactive.
http://electricoud.com/
=
 
Lark in The Morning has an = electric oud by=20 "Renowned Turkish luthier = Saadettin=20 Sandi"
http://larkinthemorning.com/product.asp?pn= =3DOUD014&Electric+Oud=3D&bhcd2=3D1150975858
 
 
other places to look
http://www.mikeou= ds.com/messageboard/index.php
http://www.unfre= tted.com/loader.php?LINK=3Dmain
 
The message board on unfretted can = probably=20 answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar
may sound oudlike with some = EQing.
 
 
T.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 William=20 Walker
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 = 10:53=20 AM
Subject: RE: oud = simulator?

I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand = not the=20 era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model = is the=20 RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh = area who=20 has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The = budget=20 alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins = copy an=20 fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a = few=20 instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still = have the=20 great pickups and construction.
Good luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica=20 [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June = 22, 2006=20 1:07 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud=20 simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal = or box=20 out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of = dealing with=20 all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome = if there=20 was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica

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=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C695F6.21585379-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 13:03:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582483BED2; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAHItmkSBTogk Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060622135936.01bbd7e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:02:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Yngwie on In-Reply-To: <20060622120418.C24223BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060622120418.C24223BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:03:16 +0000 (UTC) At 13:04 22/06/2006, you wrote: > >Now Yngwie on > >the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some what > >of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you can > >bash him all you want;-) > >Yngwie Super Amazing Guitar God Lesson. (Very funny) > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM&search=yngwie > >Tony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y46HdCr0s8&mode=related&search=yngwie is quite funny too if you know the piece From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 13:40:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42F3C3BECD; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JlINB2XaPzuTeQG7jZRz9hUEmMnHBj/1vK8BTofMv3YdpTKxzXwnh9ipiJT3VX9vohMqYWlUnS+Bc8MaL7Awony3VEJ/TY3VJK/8zO64Ti06rW5GtZt1gT+7LZb+PnWIHPCssa5msV+MHWXmhNVxdaY9OS4knuuB7ILskK4VkHQ= ; Message-ID: <20060622134032.38642.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 06:40:32 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1724023898-1150983632=:35726" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:40:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1724023898-1150983632=:35726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player... ted. William Walker wrote: Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The amp is called oddly enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now and can't find anything called a jazz amp. The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000 $200 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very small , loud as you would > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head cabinet design that uses > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd > be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube > 30 > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of > effects...anybody have one? > > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb, > and > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box. > It > is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to > get > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get > some > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box. > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need > to > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red > boxes. > :) > > Kris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Kris, >> >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. >> >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. >> But a really good processor (or two) with some new >> creative potential sounds attractive. >> >> Anything more you care to say about them? >> >> Ted >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. >>> >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1724023898-1150983632=:35726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player...
 
 
ted.

William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The amp is called oddly
enough, the Jazz master ultra light..
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now and can't find anything
called a jazz amp.

The FM 25 DSP looks interesting:
http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000

$200

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


> The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very small , loud as you would
> need, and nice simple effects. and its a head cabinet design that uses
> speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
>
>
> Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd
> be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp
> and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I
> have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my
> monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube
> 30
> because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of
> effects...anybody have one?
>
> My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and
> reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb,
> and
> the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box.
> It
> is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to
> get
> inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get
> some
> interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics
> Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box.
>
> I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need
> to
> give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red
> boxes.
> :)
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
>
>
>> Kris,
>>
>> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means.
>> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors
>> you mentioned on the list the other day however.
>>
>> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me.
>> But a really good processor (or two) with some new
>> creative potential sounds attractive.
>>
>> Anything more you care to say about them?
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
>>
>>> Any takers? It's a beauty.
>>>
>>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm
>>>
>>> Kris
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 14:24:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677AB3BED3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <65105.65.90.188.220.1150986286.squirrel@www.infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <20060622070551.3285.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060622070551.3285.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:24:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Sloppyness (was: Re: Hiromi) From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32293 32294] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <0AM_cB.A.yqE.VgqmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:24:21 +0000 (UTC) In college, I had a music history teacher who had a major chip on his shoulder over people lumping Opera, romantic, chamber music, symphonic, modern film score, etc. into one large genre called "classical." At first I was very sympathetic with him... that is, until he proceeded to lump everything we wouldn't call "classical"--be it jazz, country, dance, blues, rock, swing, hip hop, or whatever--into one large genre that he called "pop." He then continued to explain why "classical" is such excellent, beautiful music and "pop" is ignorant, unskilled, commercialized garbage that is unfit for the educationally elite, and should be made illegal. Now, I do agree that much "classical" music is incredible and wonderful, and much of modern music is the commercialized, pre-packaged sonic equivelant of SPAM, but not all. No music teacher, however educated and skilled he/she may be, is ever going to convince me that it doesn't take a ton of skill and technique--albeit a different sort of technique--to do what Stevie Ray Vaughan or Elton John or even Snoop Dog do on stage. In fact, the more I get deep into more obscure music, the more I think Beethoven and the other gods my prof. worshipped would have appreciated a good deal of the music he was dogging. Many of these composers were the experimental musicians of their day, and I have no doubt that if we could somehow bring them to the year 2006 in good ol' Bill & Ted fashion and let them experience modern technology for a few years, more than one of them would wind up on this mailing list, looping along with the rest of us. And the thing that really irked me that day in class how many of the other students went right along with him. One guy in particular went off on a monologue about how everything involving drums or guitars was just noise that hurt his ears and made him angry, and maybe if those musicians had enough brains to comprehend it, they would see how stupid their music is and ditch it in favor of music written at least two or three-hundred years ago. He got an A in the class. The guy with the Musician's Friend catalog in the next chair and I proceeded to tune out a good deal of the rest of the semester. Funny thing is, we both got A's as well because--even though we were ignorant electric guitarists who played in "pop" groups--we had better pitch recognition and could more easily differentiate between the different instruments in various symphonic recordings than 90% of the class... go fig. --Josh > i had an argument about this the other day when i was > talking to a guy whos is a classical trained pianist > and blew up as i told them that technique doesnt > really interfere in my judging of good music or > performance,i simply react unconsciously to sound that > sends chills down my spine regardless of > technique,style or otherwise.He then said if music > doesnt have some sort of competent technique for him > is simply uninteresting and most of it(like a lot of > rock)uncompetent overhyped commercialized trash... > could it be that self taught people should have more > understanding of "academics and technique" as well as > trained people about "street and intuition"? > I also know that to write a good song,sing,get > interesting guitar tones,or play that overhyped > incompetent commercialized trash u hear in pop music > is a lot of work! > Luis > > > > > >> >> I also think that some of the most interesting >> scientists and businessmen are largely self-taught. >> (e.g Einstein, Jobs, Gates) > > >> >and btw they recover from mistakes as much often as >> anyone, simply they recover more elegantly so you >> dont even hear it as a mistake. >> >> And less interestingly, too, IMO. >> >> -C >> >> -- >> Chris Muir | "There are many futures and >> only one status quo. >> cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives >> mostly agree, >> http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." >> - Brian Eno >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 14:35:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD1553BEE8; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Hatfield Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:35:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hatfield Thread-Index: AcaWBFpScO5b8wOoTciCcgk8m69DEAABKkNg From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 14:35:51.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[29145BF0:01C69609] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Hatfield in NY? If that is not a must see I don't know what is... maybe depending on who is playing keyboards... where is this gig? Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hatfield >>> Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called=20 >>> Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps >>> on this list? >> >> >> indeed :-) >> they morphed into an instrumental band called "National Health" (very >> ahead of their time in picking a really dull name) > > Hatfield is playing in NYC this weekend. I'll be seeing them Friday night with The Tony Levin Band. I'm excited. >> the other essential curiosity from that era is >> "Henry Cow", probably the most experimental of the "prog" bands > > Legend. Yeah, wild stuff. And to (amazingly enough) get close to on topic, I'm seeing Michael Manring=20 this weekend too. Major prog overload weekend. Tony=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 14:46:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 030A03BEFB; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Hatfield Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:46:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hatfield Thread-Index: AcaWBFpScO5b8wOoTciCcgk8m69DEAABggcA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 14:46:47.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0564140:01C6960A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:46:48 +0000 (UTC) The Hatfield gig is Sunday June 25 at the Bowery Poetry Club. Keyboards by Alex Maguire. Richard Sinclair played Fez earlier in the month and may well be doing other one-offs. I'll be looking into that but won't keep peppering LD with this stuff. http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hatfield >>> Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called=20 >>> Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps >>> on this list? >> >> >> indeed :-) >> they morphed into an instrumental band called "National Health" (very >> ahead of their time in picking a really dull name) > > Hatfield is playing in NYC this weekend. I'll be seeing them Friday night with The Tony Levin Band. I'm excited. >> the other essential curiosity from that era is >> "Henry Cow", probably the most experimental of the "prog" bands > > Legend. Yeah, wild stuff. And to (amazingly enough) get close to on topic, I'm seeing Michael Manring=20 this weekend too. Major prog overload weekend. Tony=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 15:06:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AE853BEE6; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tst7G7wMg/Zfp37Er3jpQUvCsZHTY3zOSSgMDqHzttrLnkIaxhxdMWyxtHIb99bs4cPGczh2VLLHaslF7fLq0w9GevatVIwM4fZjGihHfU0oSjvaXlcdECPM8PMpZXUx+KrvI47fWN49rHXbQD7bfPk9tBhPSlnwwLkENOvPgLI= In-Reply-To: <20060622120221.57070@gmx.net> References: <20060622101954.8750@gmx.net> <20060622120221.57070@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:06:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:06:16 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2006, at 14.02, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> I prefer to work the instant composing stuff on a master track >> level (mangling the summed layers/loops) instead of taking the remix >> approach to split it up in parallel. > I like to mix stuff until I have a certain density. Then, to keep > the mix interesting, I like to add some delay or phaser/flanger or > reverse on some loops. > But if you have 8 loops in Mobius, I guess I could pick a loop and > then resample it with effects, would be probably less CPU consuming. Yes. In Live it's very easy to resample any loop or mix of loops. Simply set the track input to "Resampling", record enable the track and trig the slot where you want to place the clip. In my Mac setup with Live and Augustus Loop I usually keep one Live track instantly set up for resampling. After having resampled you can drag the clip with the mouse to another track that maybe has a more suitable effects setting. > Could it perhaps work the other way - using Ableton as effect > machine for Mobius? Oh yes! "The other way"....? Isn't that the main reason people want to run loopers as VST/au plug-ins in Live? Live has excellent effects. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 15:26:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B510A3BEB0; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:26:04 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Re:Yngwie on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001001c69610$2d60a770$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060622120418.C24223BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060622135936.01bbd7e0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Someone make a loop of the Bach piece mixed with Yngwie`s famous outbursts on the plain to Japan http://www.blabbermouth.net/yngwie_tokyo_flight.mp3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:02 PM Subject: Re:Yngwie on > At 13:04 22/06/2006, you wrote: >> >Now Yngwie on >> >the other hand, from everything I've heard, is not a nice person, some >> >what >> >of a brat, and a bully and mean drunk, so as far as I'm concerned you >> >can >> >bash him all you want;-) >> >>Yngwie Super Amazing Guitar God Lesson. (Very funny) >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM&search=yngwie >> >>Tony > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y46HdCr0s8&mode=related&search=yngwie > > is quite funny too if you know the piece > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 15:36:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D7B3BEF0; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dRyTUMgDiKKW5sBAd9Zy6lS8tzTCaGu90lzJJHc2tX9YbP4OcIP8jKu7UmnN09w+B6PPGb4ShTxJ7c8gb6y7nVHK9tqWXddQkD9eF+DVgjew+kOwljzSo3EscbTl+KCuwFCQlnTe/Wvy5vWLp7mubsK1KrzH22cV+5+AncVLBwM= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:36:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Ableton w/ VST Looper Thread-Index: AcaWEaCe3vxU4gIEEduLBwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:36:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm sorry, I don't want to divert this conversation, but I thought maybe Buzap Buzap could benefit from this answer... Per, now that you brought up resampling, can you use a resampling track to bus the whole output to another stereo output pair?, or is the only way to use a return track? All best to you both, todd On 6/22/06 8:06 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On 22 jun 2006, at 14.02, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>> I prefer to work the instant composing stuff on a master track >>> level (mangling the summed layers/loops) instead of taking the remix >>> approach to split it up in parallel. >> I like to mix stuff until I have a certain density. Then, to keep >> the mix interesting, I like to add some delay or phaser/flanger or >> reverse on some loops. >> But if you have 8 loops in Mobius, I guess I could pick a loop and >> then resample it with effects, would be probably less CPU consuming. >=20 > Yes. In Live it's very easy to resample any loop or mix of loops. > Simply set the track input to "Resampling", record enable the track > and trig the slot where you want to place the clip. In my Mac setup > with Live and Augustus Loop I usually keep one Live track instantly > set up for resampling. After having resampled you can drag the clip > with the mouse to another track that maybe has a more suitable > effects setting. >=20 >=20 >> Could it perhaps work the other way - using Ableton as effect >> machine for Mobius? >=20 > Oh yes! "The other way"....? Isn't that the main reason people want > to run loopers as VST/au plug-ins in Live? Live has excellent effects. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 15:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA3363BEE7; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060622084819.01cdc368@TheNettles.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:50:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Silent Switches In-Reply-To: <6c076ba4938bff40b1198db4f8b8d62a@glasswing.com> References: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <2183.128.193.37.230.1150838146.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <6c076ba4938bff40b1198db4f8b8d62a@glasswing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:50:42 +0000 (UTC) At 03:24 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >Do you know of Bob Bradshaw? >Here's the URL to Bob's stuff: >http://www.customaudioelectronics.com/ > Thanks, Richard. It doesn't look like he quite has what I need but it's a cool site. Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 15:53:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 183503BEF9; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060622084819.01cdc368@TheNettles.com> References: <1218.128.193.37.230.1150823154.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <2183.128.193.37.230.1150838146.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> <6c076ba4938bff40b1198db4f8b8d62a@glasswing.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060622084819.01cdc368@TheNettles.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05C5AF25-B57E-4EFA-9EFA-1B42C62B5CF8@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Silent Switches Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:49:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:53:06 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 22, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Kevin wrote: > At 03:24 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >> Do you know of Bob Bradshaw? >> Here's the URL to Bob's stuff: >> http:// >> www.customaudioelectronics.com/ > > Thanks, Richard. It doesn't look like he quite has what I need but > it's a cool site. What is it you need? Bradshaw's rigs are way outdated. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 16:15:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6063BEE1; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hPHhGW6mgN5p1qVj2A7R1xVDh65FrPkHHS+X+yNj7lnXTxd8iTp9bBnfggr9KKjYRCS+mTHxWwgFXxXTjBB0LE3P4GtrtvmkzphPjHDWXPitBM7fgs+PzUfFndUUf13bx42tz1r5TRCgPdx4YBntX11w3gKxxuVNMhdgPbSLc50= Message-ID: <64b81a780606220915i3b9e549dhc83d9476edb81bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:15:14 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: "Loopers' Delight" Subject: Re: oud simulator? In-Reply-To: <64b81a780606220914r78496a35l4a24198220d57f62@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060622080656.91041.qmail@web55503.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <64b81a780606220914r78496a35l4a24198220d57f62@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Also check out the Godin Glissentar. 11 strings (5 pairs + 1 bass), fretless, nylon stringed, traditional guitar size/scale. Todd > On 6/22/06, William Walker wrote: > > > > > > I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by > > Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I > > know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I > > don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be > > to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes > > with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament > > woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and > > construction. > > Good luck, > > Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: oud simulator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out > > there > > that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the > > maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was > > a simulation for guitar. Any info? > > > > A thousand salaams... > > Monica > > > > ________________________________ > > Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just > > radically better. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 17:04:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A677A3BEE6; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PI+fb75o1fYuWGZQA7AcP3/8X2jW3AjfLZR/ksnBKm/d2SXW9L8s/BPM8OyrjC5Zcm9lgaen+8DTSGEvUtrrM4zHui2gfmlIN2S91QEQbYVQKEnBYQRR4UmcxINZtf54oYlVqRXGwaXO2Ehy/AUp25EWR3aG/GSIMxA1hYNN5k4= ; Message-ID: <20060622170417.22413.qmail@web55504.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-915722699-1150995857=:21471" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6FaTC.A.gzC.R2smEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:04:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-915722699-1150995857=:21471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The best thing I've seen so far is an electric oud made by a small company in California. Has a very modern look and is supposed to be great technology - mp3s sound good too - but I've never tried one. Cost: about $1500. Thanks... William Walker wrote: I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-915722699-1150995857=:21471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The best thing I've seen so far is an electric oud made by a small company
in California. Has a very modern look and is supposed to be great technology -
mp3s sound good too - but I've never tried one. Cost: about $1500. Thanks...

William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction.
Good luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica
Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-915722699-1150995857=:21471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 17:04:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C5A3BEE8; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DItDoUUsUqyqxzLSGaNTmIDiuTkCmDF4fjM0Bg6vYMoRQAKJ05QCiteee1ZUWcmMh2SsoS7t7ozIucvZajb7BZ2/n0c5FEoSNkt9ipeG+9jvUZQmGQbd8xwZWcTRs/ct5VWvXTYnMIqN7kgmsM8IElQZkzuogEbxVtMqK1sYlCI= ; Message-ID: <20060622170430.76138.qmail@web55507.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-306610335-1150995870=:76126" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-306610335-1150995870=:76126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The best thing I've seen so far is an electric oud made by a small company in California. Has a very modern look and is supposed to be great technology - mp3s sound good too - but I've never tried one. Cost: about $1500. Thanks... William Walker wrote: I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-306610335-1150995870=:76126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

The best thing I've seen so far is an electric oud made by a small company
in California. Has a very modern look and is supposed to be great technology -
mp3s sound good too - but I've never tried one. Cost: about $1500. Thanks...

William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction.
Good luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica
Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.

Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-306610335-1150995870=:76126-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 17:04:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498823BEF6; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EirOOYmeanVrULlNElBtdyThKKZjN9V5NjvpDHLtUPPCr9uhmvM7Gz4fS0x8wmSzEyRNQrZyNElQC7ESwY4hL7jUJvCuO++wR61dMR8UPL/XS3VJ1zYjR9Sf7dU/LJfWnanwPFDL67/tw7i4HDT3s8gkGy8J2MnbmPMHSoJT/so= ; Message-ID: <20060622170441.71520.qmail@web55513.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-724429902-1150995881=:70078" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:04:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-724429902-1150995881=:70078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The best thing I've seen so far is an electric oud made by a small company in California. Has a very modern look and is supposed to be great technology - mp3s sound good too - but I've never tried one. Cost: about $1500. Thanks... William Walker wrote: I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-724429902-1150995881=:70078 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The best thing I've seen so far is an electric oud made by a small company
in California. Has a very modern look and is supposed to be great technology -
mp3s sound good too - but I've never tried one. Cost: about $1500. Thanks...

William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction.
Good luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica
Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-724429902-1150995881=:70078-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 17:06:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B10933BEFC; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X6X5zzgZpr/M8QIfNRMObJW6ErqASfXu9EggwShcxSgCOSNu3pvP8tyWX8u4izZejwOe8K0UlnakeMik2jre9QmSReTc3Ugr59se7BqswvBU4VDd4XNq+wXWuVE0rdyh8hdKUUD1MOfyyKqjNHCfKBUJRYxpJafRoAtCnqXNoII= ; Message-ID: <20060622170633.64130.qmail@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c695f3$f947ed70$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1247844957-1150995993=:63800" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:06:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1247844957-1150995993=:63800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes I have their catalog - but was hoping not to spend the $1500 right now. Would be great to have a simple mod for guitar! Thanks... "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: There are a couple of good looking electric ouds made by Viken Najarian http://www.oud.net/ Review of the E-1000 on Harmony http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Najarian/E_1000-1.html http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=2274 There`s a clip on this site of one similar looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap sound quality but gives an idea. Site seems to be inactive. http://electricoud.com/ Lark in The Morning has an electric oud by "Renowned Turkish luthier Saadettin Sandi" http://larkinthemorning.com/product.asp?pn=OUD014&Electric+Oud=&bhcd2=1150975858 other places to look http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/index.php http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=main The message board on unfretted can probably answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar may sound oudlike with some EQing. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: RE: oud simulator? I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come. --0-1247844957-1150995993=:63800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yes I have their catalog - but was hoping not to spend the $1500 right now.
Would be great to have a simple mod for guitar! Thanks...

"Torstein H. Rem" <trem@broadpark.no> wrote:
There are a couple of good looking electric ouds made by Viken Najarian
Review of the E-1000 on Harmony
 
There`s a clip on this site of one similar looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap
sound quality but gives an idea. Site seems to be inactive.
 
Lark in The Morning has an electric oud by "Renowned Turkish luthier Saadettin Sandi"
 
 
other places to look
 
The message board on unfretted can probably answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar
may sound oudlike with some EQing.
 
 
T.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: oud simulator?

I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction.
Good luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica
Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.

Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come. --0-1247844957-1150995993=:63800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 17:18:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 676E33BF19; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uHrcZf+VGzswTnKUkNWPnBK1CLqbjtIC4j1zKu37wV8qytT/6er7Q5kCN7Y1LFTEMsdSpKkIsYbxObaPw/w0+gPoxoHr9osGHlT+xvCoyxJUJtw63LuaeVVn1FJQHZgNpkyqs0JQ7gj3tEiL68yAZ8mridl2/2tA6PnZQwMIjdU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <834D289E-B2E8-484F-87F7-548A17FDAD40@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:18:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Resampling on an audio track makes a loop of what is happening on the master output at that moment. After you have resampled you may of course route the clip of that clip (loop) directly to any physically available output on the sound card, or to a Return Track if you like to use that as the pipe to a different output. But REsampling is not a real-time audio routing method, only a quick way to snag what's cooking. per On 22 jun 2006, at 17.36, Todd Reynolds wrote: > I'm sorry, I don't want to divert this conversation, but I thought > maybe > Buzap Buzap could benefit from this answer... > > Per, now that you brought up resampling, can you use a resampling > track to > bus the whole output to another stereo output pair?, or is the only > way to > use a return track? > > All best to you both, todd > > > > > On 6/22/06 8:06 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > >> On 22 jun 2006, at 14.02, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>>> I prefer to work the instant composing stuff on a master track >>>> level (mangling the summed layers/loops) instead of taking the >>>> remix >>>> approach to split it up in parallel. >>> I like to mix stuff until I have a certain density. Then, to keep >>> the mix interesting, I like to add some delay or phaser/flanger or >>> reverse on some loops. >>> But if you have 8 loops in Mobius, I guess I could pick a loop and >>> then resample it with effects, would be probably less CPU consuming. >> >> Yes. In Live it's very easy to resample any loop or mix of loops. >> Simply set the track input to "Resampling", record enable the track >> and trig the slot where you want to place the clip. In my Mac setup >> with Live and Augustus Loop I usually keep one Live track instantly >> set up for resampling. After having resampled you can drag the clip >> with the mouse to another track that maybe has a more suitable >> effects setting. >> >> >>> Could it perhaps work the other way - using Ableton as effect >>> machine for Mobius? >> >> Oh yes! "The other way"....? Isn't that the main reason people want >> to run loopers as VST/au plug-ins in Live? Live has excellent >> effects. >> >> Greetings from Sweden From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 17:26:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 162303BF0B; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:26:48 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001201c69621$0ad24f40$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6565+eWbY1SYNCDm3T0sCw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060622170633.64130.qmail@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_6565+eWbY1SYNCDm3T0sCw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I`m quite convinced no pedal will do the job. Maybe if you go midi guitar you might find something, don`t know about the Roland VG88 either. There are pedals manipulating pitch bends but don`t sound like the sliding notes on a fretless oud. Using a standard el gtr the closest I can think of would be a clever combination of slide, maybe ebow, EQ to simulate gut strings ;-), a little compression and some smart reverb or short delay to simulate the oud body. The recipe doesn`t sound very convinving though. :_) ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: oud simulator? Yes I have their catalog - but was hoping not to spend the $1500 right now. Would be great to have a simple mod for guitar! Thanks... --Boundary_(ID_6565+eWbY1SYNCDm3T0sCw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I`m quite convinced no pedal will do the job. Maybe if you go midi guitar you might
find something, don`t know about the Roland VG88 either.
There are pedals manipulating pitch bends but don`t sound like the sliding notes on
a fretless oud.
 
Using a standard el gtr the closest I can think of would be a clever combination of slide,
maybe ebow, EQ to simulate gut strings  ;-), a little compression and some smart reverb
or short delay to simulate the oud body.
 
The recipe doesn`t sound very convinving though.  :_)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: oud simulator?

Yes I have their catalog - but was hoping not to spend the $1500 right now.
Would be great to have a simple mod for guitar! Thanks...

--Boundary_(ID_6565+eWbY1SYNCDm3T0sCw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 17:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2477E3BF28; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3+h4C7anx4i6VeXjrV4neA7y3nQMtzuYWz8Pu/b/qtjNKy2KImVeWUK3fh1UTv0V23BWenPdhKKaWyDNfR5pu0/II8iU9oLy49HKYIPIZnRHrB7GTWcvajnx2RNFSRUqhURqoXL1iW7inadQn/Fj47M7l1QcpvaU0cjmmsUFIU0= ; Message-ID: <20060622172638.53664.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060622134032.38642.qmail@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Why not ditch the guitar amp concept in favor of a modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) and 90% of gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably not worth doing or you could probably get by with some of the lighter powered speakers like the JBLs. I keep a combo amp around anyway, but it rarely gets used. Mark --- ditch wrestler wrote: > I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the > latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player... > > > ted. > > William Walker wrote: > Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The > amp is called oddly > enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now > and can't find anything > called a jazz amp. > > The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: > http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000 > > $200 > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very > small , loud as you would > > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head > cabinet design that uses > > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Krispen Hartung > [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo > Amp > > > > > > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie > would be fairly slim. I'd > > be willing to make a trade if someone had the > right gear. I love the amp > > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit > overkill and heavy for me (I > > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use > the boogie just for my > > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of > gettting a Roland Cube > > 30 > > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it > has a lot of > > effects...anybody have one? > > > > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily > for delay, chorus, and > > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really > does have nice verb, > > and > > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like > a a multi-effects box. > > It > > is a bit challenging to program, however. If > someone has the patience to > > get > > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest > software, then you can get > > some > > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide > or TC Electronics > > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little > effects box. > > > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 > units as well.....need > > to > > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love > with those little red > > boxes. > > :) > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tEd � kiLLiAn" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM > > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo > Amp > > > > > >> Kris, > >> > >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager > means. > >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space > processors > >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. > >> > >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor > for me. > >> But a really good processor (or two) with some > new > >> creative potential sounds attractive. > >> > >> Anything more you care to say about them? > >> > >> Ted > >> > >> > >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > >> > >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. > >>> > >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm > >>> > >>> Kris > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1�/min. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 19:12:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7723BEDA; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <449AEBA0.8030004@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:12:32 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) References: <834D289E-B2E8-484F-87F7-548A17FDAD40@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <834D289E-B2E8-484F-87F7-548A17FDAD40@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Indeed, but to clarify: The process of using resampling is also realtime, it just can't be monitored in real-time. . Andreas. Per Boysen wrote: > Resampling on an audio track makes a loop of what is happening on the > master output at that moment. After you have resampled you may of course > route the clip of that clip (loop) directly to any physically available > output on the sound card, or to a Return Track if you like to use that > as the pipe to a different output. But REsampling is not a real-time > audio routing method, only a quick way to snag what's cooking. > > per > > > On 22 jun 2006, at 17.36, Todd Reynolds wrote: > >> I'm sorry, I don't want to divert this conversation, but I thought maybe >> Buzap Buzap could benefit from this answer... >> >> Per, now that you brought up resampling, can you use a resampling >> track to >> bus the whole output to another stereo output pair?, or is the only >> way to >> use a return track? >> >> All best to you both, todd >> >> >> >> >> On 6/22/06 8:06 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >> >>> On 22 jun 2006, at 14.02, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>>>> I prefer to work the instant composing stuff on a master track >>>>> level (mangling the summed layers/loops) instead of taking the remix >>>>> approach to split it up in parallel. >>>> I like to mix stuff until I have a certain density. Then, to keep >>>> the mix interesting, I like to add some delay or phaser/flanger or >>>> reverse on some loops. >>>> But if you have 8 loops in Mobius, I guess I could pick a loop and >>>> then resample it with effects, would be probably less CPU consuming. >>> >>> Yes. In Live it's very easy to resample any loop or mix of loops. >>> Simply set the track input to "Resampling", record enable the track >>> and trig the slot where you want to place the clip. In my Mac setup >>> with Live and Augustus Loop I usually keep one Live track instantly >>> set up for resampling. After having resampled you can drag the clip >>> with the mouse to another track that maybe has a more suitable >>> effects setting. >>> >>> >>>> Could it perhaps work the other way - using Ableton as effect >>>> machine for Mobius? >>> >>> Oh yes! "The other way"....? Isn't that the main reason people want >>> to run loopers as VST/au plug-ins in Live? Live has excellent effects. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 19:33:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A1113BEF3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KU9p1480HrXIVEhOy0KHL4mzR954sIpV7qQL7pZVcbCTfJlp5wbNXg1eRrEAfwiVdhZ8i8XdfCTwOJqpsOGiDvqCEWn60tRmgo8/8W0COUMeX4wTcMGpUe0eQ5zR8d7UOg5QkEJlJhXzQOXNCjKvueWVAsPDZHyMjrwXIkZyzQQ= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:33:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) Thread-Index: AcaWMrGr8Au0bQIlEduLBwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <449AEBA0.8030004@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7K5plC.A.2u.9BvmEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to both of you. It's perfectly clear. I've just been trying to find a better way to use multiple ouputs in live without bussing through return tracks.... To my knowledge there is no better way than that... I thought that perhaps it should be possible to have the input for an audio track be the master out, but I guess that is avoided because of the obvious chaos which could ensue if that routing was mismanaged. T. On 6/22/06 12:12 PM, "Andreas Wetterberg" wrote: > Indeed, but to clarify: The process of using resampling is also > realtime, it just can't be monitored in real-time. >=20 > . > Andreas. >=20 > Per Boysen wrote: >> Resampling on an audio track makes a loop of what is happening on the >> master output at that moment. After you have resampled you may of course >> route the clip of that clip (loop) directly to any physically available >> output on the sound card, or to a Return Track if you like to use that >> as the pipe to a different output. But REsampling is not a real-time >> audio routing method, only a quick way to snag what's cooking. >>=20 >> per >>=20 >>=20 >> On 22 jun 2006, at 17.36, Todd Reynolds wrote: >>=20 >>> I'm sorry, I don't want to divert this conversation, but I thought mayb= e >>> Buzap Buzap could benefit from this answer... >>>=20 >>> Per, now that you brought up resampling, can you use a resampling >>> track to >>> bus the whole output to another stereo output pair?, or is the only >>> way to >>> use a return track? >>>=20 >>> All best to you both, todd >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 6/22/06 8:06 AM, "Per Boysen" wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 22 jun 2006, at 14.02, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>>>>> I prefer to work the instant composing stuff on a master track >>>>>> level (mangling the summed layers/loops) instead of taking the remix >>>>>> approach to split it up in parallel. >>>>> I like to mix stuff until I have a certain density. Then, to keep >>>>> the mix interesting, I like to add some delay or phaser/flanger or >>>>> reverse on some loops. >>>>> But if you have 8 loops in Mobius, I guess I could pick a loop and >>>>> then resample it with effects, would be probably less CPU consuming. >>>>=20 >>>> Yes. In Live it's very easy to resample any loop or mix of loops. >>>> Simply set the track input to "Resampling", record enable the track >>>> and trig the slot where you want to place the clip. In my Mac setup >>>> with Live and Augustus Loop I usually keep one Live track instantly >>>> set up for resampling. After having resampled you can drag the clip >>>> with the mouse to another track that maybe has a more suitable >>>> effects setting. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> Could it perhaps work the other way - using Ableton as effect >>>>> machine for Mobius? >>>>=20 >>>> Oh yes! "The other way"....? Isn't that the main reason people want >>>> to run loopers as VST/au plug-ins in Live? Live has excellent effects. >>>>=20 >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>=20 >>=20 >> . >>=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 21:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150263BEE1; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V21IG2pBhQxIOmbjlNY01kAuvXUuWZW5ICMiX6tfrT22hvgKCoaY5eNnFOXYO9wGfZu2FKuAGzNXwHRCxNrbmG7an25xGCrI9TLL2cob+wfKmMSgQZvHLKf6AkxpM1WTFTlJmDewc8fKufnph95F55NaAfBDyymZ0nUCFq9vq9o= ; Message-ID: <20060622211017.39318.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: 2880 track questions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:10:19 +0000 (UTC) I really enjoyed having a EH 16 reissue but ultimatly got rid of it because of it's mono nature and my stereo rig. But now they have a stereo looper... So here's my question: I see it has four track operation similar to the electrix repeater (4 mono or 2 stereo)... or is it 4 stero tracks? Also, will it work similar to a Lexicon JamMan in terms of setting up "or" tracks instead of "and tracks" By this I mean set it so that at the end of a loop it starts recording a new track while muting the first track giving you the ability to create tracks that can be toggled between OR combined. thanks, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 21:36:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7302B3BEE4; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Mpbhw2jSSTKn5Sv/UYKnYfM6T4IDWKpB9dy5VBINJ4xsdBcj9GDwU54jdtZfcAp20VmGfwP3N5QiGvXozTiour8tKahMmv3Tlkpp/st9knHL1e5AwqzRk921ym/HDk16XAHKhume4FhWXVcc2XqFFvyu/nsx1iPoGZmEJuULN9Q= ; Message-ID: <20060622213649.44433.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT: NEARFest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009f01c694ed$e4db38d0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-715809643-1151012209=:44405" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:36:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-715809643-1151012209=:44405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are you in Pennsylvania? Could you relay the link? I have friends all over that might be able to attend? Thanks! Daniel T. Albertini, Peace :o) Tony K wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Just a quick note, if anybody on the list is going to the NEARFest festival in Bethlehem this weekend (besides Bill Fox, I know about you. ;) ), I’ll be there all weekend if you want to get together. Drop me a line, Tony --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-715809643-1151012209=:44405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Are you in Pennsylvania?  Could you relay the link?  I have friends all over that might be able to attend?  Thanks!
Daniel T. Albertini, Peace :o)

Tony K <bigtony@softhome.net> wrote:
Just a quick note, if anybody on the list is going to the NEARFest festival in Bethlehem this weekend (besides Bill Fox, I know about you. ;) ), I’ll be there all weekend if you want to get together.
 
Drop me a line,
 
Tony

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Just radically better. --0-715809643-1151012209=:44405-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 21:38:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C348E3BEDE; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Silent Switches Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:38:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060622084819.01cdc368@TheNettles.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:38:22 +0000 (UTC) hey Kevin, you might want to give Uwe Salwender, [info@salwender.com] a look see. He is the north American distributor for Lehle, who make some of the quietest switches available, They are venturing in to custom midi controllers as well..And they make killer loop selectors and amp switchers. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kevin [mailto:kevin@TheNettles.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silent Switches At 03:24 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >Do you know of Bob Bradshaw? >Here's the URL to Bob's stuff: >http://www.customaudioelectronics.c om/ > Thanks, Richard. It doesn't look like he quite has what I need but it's a cool site. Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 21:45:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEED13BEE9; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=el21VNoUh/t5zxZp7XwgUBLbn7NnPf3dcJxc3rXtDfu3jDMdDxFenqXb5mk38dYMYLdzINJUtWnc2yhDm7Ia8GNo0BC48GlZTJGXjzLaP5oFikYj72t1ZJaoMz8w+v7SwlDOyiZ1pSenhGFC/1zC+UhERqBPRN87wHnO2J8xVtk= ; Message-ID: <20060622214554.93729.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:45:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: RE: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-941948728-1151012753=:91943" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:45:55 +0000 (UTC) --0-941948728-1151012753=:91943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah!! I play many ethnic styles including for www.sahlahsuhaylah.com Russian, Serbian Gypsy. Delve in harmonic minor based scalings most of which just comes, I really have no definite identity to peg any of the music I improvise very linear like. Will be traveling to Norman Oklahoma soon, all expenses paid studio work as well. Please keep in touch. Thank You, Daniel T. Albertini-- Happy jammin, stay loopy!!! :o) "Dean, Hal " wrote: I have a Najarian acoustic oud. He makes fabulous instuments. Anyone interested in oud who hasn't heard what Brad Shepik does with an electric oud or saz should seek out his work. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:trem@broadpark.no] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oud simulator? There are a couple of good looking electric ouds made by Viken Najarian http://www.oud.net/ Review of the E-1000 on Harmony http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Najarian/E_1000-1.html http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=2274 There`s a clip on this site of one similar looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap sound quality but gives an idea. Site seems to be inactive. http://electricoud.com/ Lark in The Morning has an electric oud by "Renowned Turkish luthier Saadettin Sandi" http://larkinthemorning.com/product.asp?pn=OUD014&Electric+Oud=&bhcd2=1150975858 other places to look http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/index.php http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=main The message board on unfretted can probably answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar may sound oudlike with some EQing. T. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:53 AM Subject: RE: oud simulator? I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction. Good luck, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oud simulator? Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was a simulation for guitar. Any info? A thousand salaams... Monica --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-941948728-1151012753=:91943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah!!  I play many ethnic styles including for www.sahlahsuhaylah.com  Russian, Serbian Gypsy.  Delve in harmonic minor based scalings most of which just comes, I really have no definite identity to peg any of the music I improvise very linear like.  Will be traveling to Norman Oklahoma soon, all expenses paid studio work as well.  Please keep in touch.  Thank You, Daniel T. Albertini-- Happy jammin, stay loopy!!! :o)

"Dean, Hal " <HDEAN@wcupa.edu> wrote:
I have a Najarian acoustic oud. He makes fabulous instuments.
 
Anyone interested in oud who hasn't heard what Brad Shepik does with an electric oud or saz should seek out his work.
 
Hal Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: Torstein H. Rem [mailto:trem@broadpark.no]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:04 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: oud simulator?

There are a couple of good looking electric ouds made by Viken Najarian
Review of the E-1000 on Harmony
 
There`s a clip on this site of one similar looking to the Najarian oud. Noisy and cheap
sound quality but gives an idea. Site seems to be inactive.
 
Lark in The Morning has an electric oud by "Renowned Turkish luthier Saadettin Sandi"
 
 
other places to look
 
The message board on unfretted can probably answer if fretless guitars like the Godin Glissentar
may sound oudlike with some EQing.
 
 
T.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: oud simulator?

I've heard a fretless nylon string Renaissance (the brand not the era) by Rick Turner do a very convincing oud like sound, The model is the RN6, and I know of at least one jazz guitarist in the Pittsburgh area who has one but I don't remember his name. They are not cheap, The budget alternative would be to yank the frets from an Epiphone Chet Atkins copy an fill in the holes with wood filler. I do know that Rick has made a few instruments with lament woods that are less expensive, but still have the great pickups and construction.
Good luck,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:07 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: oud simulator?

 
 
 
Hey - does anyone happen to know if there's an effects pedal or box out there
that simulates an egyptian oud? I am soooo tired of dealing with all the
maintainence problems with a real one - it would be awesome if there was
a simulation for guitar. Any info?
 
A thousand salaams...
Monica
Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-941948728-1151012753=:91943-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 21:51:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05C9C3BF00; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RUJbwdSpFRAnbnDi7sMfyfO979iHnEhtrQEtlKfMZB0oEjsrZ+YwIETAG9ncgKXjyQEDMZZUEzI12kPR0P/i0frYCB9PULgfKqvFydFk+llqbmPx4pM84ZxvI6ey7cwUe9UYMhPFxNPxZDVQ73QzEsnOmm01IKbFk0EWkunjgHE= ; Message-ID: <20060622215113.50634.qmail@web31813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: Hatfield To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005e01c69604$57539990$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-381512647-1151013073=:49939" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:51:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-381512647-1151013073=:49939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out a new friend of mine that lives and gigs in the same general area that I jammed with last year in Winfield Kansas he played with Pete Huttlinger because he blew his mind there at his workshop!!!. www.petehuttlinger.com Tony K wrote: >>> Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called >>> Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps >>> on this list? >> >> >> indeed :-) >> they morphed into an instrumental band called "National Health" >> (very ahead of their time in picking a really dull name) > > Hatfield is playing in NYC this weekend. I'll be seeing them Friday night with The Tony Levin Band. I'm excited. >> the other essential curiosity from that era is >> "Henry Cow", probably the most experimental of the "prog" bands > > Legend. Yeah, wild stuff. And to (amazingly enough) get close to on topic, I'm seeing Michael Manring this weekend too. Major prog overload weekend. Tony --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-381512647-1151013073=:49939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out a new friend of mine that lives and gigs in the same general area that I jammed with last year in Winfield Kansas he played with Pete Huttlinger because he blew his mind there at his workshop!!!.  www.petehuttlinger.com  

Tony K <bigtony@softhome.net> wrote:
>>> Oh - BTW, one very cool band from those early seventies was called
>>> Hatfield And The North. Ringing a bell with any of you English Chaps
>>> on this list?
>>
>>
>> indeed :-)
>> they morphed into an instrumental band called "National Health"
>> (very ahead of their time in picking a really dull name)
>
> Hatfield is playing in NYC this weekend.

I'll be seeing them Friday night with The Tony Levin Band. I'm excited.

>> the other essential curiosity from that era is
>> "Henry Cow", probably the most experimental of the "prog" bands
>
> Legend.

Yeah, wild stuff.

And to (amazingly enough) get close to on topic, I'm seeing Michael Manring
this weekend too. Major prog overload weekend.

Tony


Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --0-381512647-1151013073=:49939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 21:58:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D0D63BF01; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001201c69621$0ad24f40$0200000a@remwavesnet> References: <20060622170633.64130.qmail@web55502.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <001201c69621$0ad24f40$0200000a@remwavesnet> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:58:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: oud simulator? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:58:52 +0000 (UTC) At 7:26 PM +0200 6/22/06, Torstein H. Rem wrote: >I`m quite convinced no pedal will do the job. Maybe if you go midi >guitar you might >find something, don`t know about the Roland VG88 either. There's at least one guy over on the VG list who's using one of the Godin fretless nylon-string Multiacs ( http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm ) with one of the Roland VG units. He just raves about its sound and response. I'm betting you could probably get a pretty passable Oud sound from using a fretless with either a VG-8 or a VG-88, with the added bonus that the VG series -- especially the VG-8 -- has really extensive re-tuning abilitlies. So, you could go from standard guitar tuning to Oud tuning (or even switch between different Oud tunings -- Arabian DGADGC to Iraqi FADGCF, for instance, without breaking a string) at merely the press of a footswitch. For my latest Frankenproject, in fact, I've been planning on taking the course Bill originally suggested and having the frets pulled on my old Vox 12-string, then tuning it for 11-string Arabian and having a GK-3 retrofitted. I'm looking at keeping it as a steel string, though (I'm currently trying to match up the proper string gauges to that tuning since I want to avoid using any wound strings, with the possible exception of the "bam" which might end up as a flatwound). However, I'm not really trying to perfect an Oud sound, despite what it may seem. I just think the Arabian tuning would work well on such an instrument, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what it will do with the VG. --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 21:59:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F5533BF04; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LMg184lZ4Vj7WrfCtf/DpgbEwDmF/QFREDcAaMvLBSPR7eRIqn4ZFVFuv90gzxHlviq+5SDUaiVhjo4ODRrFMhM30RxAZtdOvKIO813KT/IZsvyTO5dO3j1dv+9jTfHQ6c8D0t2VlLsxaVW/7ZSZ11x5dZqkqrSet77gjWAFpD8= ; Message-ID: <20060622215952.6272.qmail@web55508.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: oud simulator? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c69621$0ad24f40$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-899109701-1151013592=:3279" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:59:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-899109701-1151013592=:3279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I guess it would be hard to simulate the depth and density of acoustics, especially with a digital medium. But darn it, someone should try! It would be so much more convenient. I guess the electric oud is the best way to go - but a little costly if it's not your main instrument. "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: I`m quite convinced no pedal will do the job. Maybe if you go midi guitar you might find something, don`t know about the Roland VG88 either. There are pedals manipulating pitch bends but don`t sound like the sliding notes on a fretless oud. Using a standard el gtr the closest I can think of would be a clever combination of slide, maybe ebow, EQ to simulate gut strings ;-), a little compression and some smart reverb or short delay to simulate the oud body. The recipe doesn`t sound very convinving though. :_) ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: oud simulator? Yes I have their catalog - but was hoping not to spend the $1500 right now. Would be great to have a simple mod for guitar! Thanks... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-899109701-1151013592=:3279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I guess it would be hard to simulate the depth and density of acoustics,
especially with a digital medium.
But darn it, someone should try! It would be so much more convenient.
I guess the electric oud is the best way to go - but a little costly if it's not
your main instrument.

"Torstein H. Rem" <trem@broadpark.no> wrote:
I`m quite convinced no pedal will do the job. Maybe if you go midi guitar you might
find something, don`t know about the Roland VG88 either.
There are pedals manipulating pitch bends but don`t sound like the sliding notes on
a fretless oud.
 
Using a standard el gtr the closest I can think of would be a clever combination of slide,
maybe ebow, EQ to simulate gut strings  ;-), a little compression and some smart reverb
or short delay to simulate the oud body.
 
The recipe doesn`t sound very convinving though.  :_)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Monica
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: oud simulator?

Yes I have their catalog - but was hoping not to spend the $1500 right now.
Would be great to have a simple mod for guitar! Thanks...


Do you Yahoo!?
Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-899109701-1151013592=:3279-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 22:11:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7153BEF3; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: oud simulator? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:11:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like a sweet project. i wanna hear the results. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oud simulator? At 7:26 PM +0200 6/22/06, Torstein H. Rem wrote: >I`m quite convinced no pedal will do the job. Maybe if you go midi >guitar you might >find something, don`t know about the Roland VG88 either. There's at least one guy over on the VG list who's using one of the Godin fretless nylon-string Multiacs ( http://www.godinguitars.com/godinmultnylonfretlessp.htm ) with one of the Roland VG units. He just raves about its sound and response. I'm betting you could probably get a pretty passable Oud sound from using a fretless with either a VG-8 or a VG-88, with the added bonus that the VG series -- especially the VG-8 -- has really extensive re-tuning abilitlies. So, you could go from standard guitar tuning to Oud tuning (or even switch between different Oud tunings -- Arabian DGADGC to Iraqi FADGCF, for instance, without breaking a string) at merely the press of a footswitch. For my latest Frankenproject, in fact, I've been planning on taking the course Bill originally suggested and having the frets pulled on my old Vox 12-string, then tuning it for 11-string Arabian and having a GK-3 retrofitted. I'm looking at keeping it as a steel string, though (I'm currently trying to match up the proper string gauges to that tuning since I want to avoid using any wound strings, with the possible exception of the "bam" which might end up as a flatwound). However, I'm not really trying to perfect an Oud sound, despite what it may seem. I just think the Arabian tuning would work well on such an instrument, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what it will do with the VG. --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 22:24:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44EF53BF1C; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: oud simulator? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:24:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6960F.E5D4EB50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060622215952.6272.qmail@web55508.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:24:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6960F.E5D4EB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A product that I did some beta test work for is promising, though at present it doesn't have an oud preset. I'm taking about the Mama Bear from DTAR. Rather than make you have to play a propriatery instrument (see Line 6), it is esentially a filter that allows you to add different acoustic guitar body resonance characteristics to your own instrument, with presets to accomodate various piezo and magnetic pickup types. So I can for instance, run my martin with a piezo installed through a Maccaferri style guitar preset, and it will give my amplified sound a more plunky mid range honky short decay Django style sound or make my OM style guitar sound like a bigger body dreadnaught or jumbo. Perhaps one day they will come out with an ethnic stringed instrument addition, but probably not till they recoup their RnD costs. Dare to dream. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 3:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oud simulator? I guess it would be hard to simulate the depth and density of acoustics, especially with a digital medium. But darn it, someone should try! It would be so much more convenient. I guess the electric oud is the best way to go - but a little costly if it's not your main instrument. "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: I`m quite convinced no pedal will do the job. Maybe if you go midi guitar you might find something, don`t know about the Roland VG88 either. There are pedals manipulating pitch bends but don`t sound like the sliding notes on a fretless oud. Using a standard el gtr the closest I can think of would be a clever combination of slide, maybe ebow, EQ to simulate gut strings ;-), a little compression and some smart reverb or short delay to simulate the oud body. The recipe doesn`t sound very convinving though. :_) ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: oud simulator? Yes I have their catalog - but was hoping not to spend the $1500 right now. Would be great to have a simple mod for guitar! Thanks... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6960F.E5D4EB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A=20 product that I did some beta test work for is promising, though at = present it=20 doesn't have an oud preset. I'm taking about the Mama Bear from DTAR. = Rather=20 than make you have to play a propriatery instrument (see Line 6), it is=20 esentially a filter that allows you to add different acoustic guitar = body=20 resonance characteristics to your own instrument, with presets to = accomodate=20 various piezo and magnetic pickup types. So I can for instance, run my = martin=20 with a piezo installed through a Maccaferri  style guitar preset, = and it=20 will give my amplified sound a more plunky mid range honky short decay = Django=20 style sound or make my OM style guitar sound like a bigger body = dreadnaught or=20 jumbo. Perhaps one day they will come out with an ethnic stringed=20 instrument addition, but probably not till they recoup their RnD costs. = Dare to=20 dream.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Monica=20 [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, = 2006 3:00=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 oud simulator?

I guess it would be hard to simulate the depth and density of=20 acoustics,
especially with a digital medium.
But darn it, someone should try! It would be so much more = convenient.=20
I guess the electric oud is the best way to go - but a little = costly if=20 it's not
your main instrument.

"Torstein H. Rem"=20 <trem@broadpark.no> wrote:
I`m quite convinced no pedal will = do the job.=20 Maybe if you go midi guitar you might
find something, don`t know about = the Roland=20 VG88 either.
There are pedals manipulating pitch = bends but=20 don`t sound like the sliding notes on
a fretless oud.
 
Using a standard el gtr the = closest I can=20 think of would be a clever combination of slide,
maybe ebow, EQ to simulate gut = strings =20 ;-), a little compression and some smart reverb =
or short delay=20 to simulate the oud body.
 
The recipe doesn`t sound very = convinving=20 though.  :_)
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Monica
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, June 22, = 2006 7:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: oud = simulator?

Yes I have their catalog - but was = hoping not to=20 spend the $1500 right now.
Would be great to have a simple mod for = guitar!=20 Thanks...


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Mail Beta. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C6960F.E5D4EB50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 22 23:09:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E99873BEE8; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:09:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060622172638.53664.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say balderdash they souund great. Now I also like the tube combo/ stomp box route which can get expensive, but still sounds the best to my ears. Do take note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not jazz chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for you. But a great fender twin model is hard to beat, if you can't lug around the real thing and remember that most of the classic electric jazz was recorded on tube gear, amps, preamps, compressors, etc...having daid that I realy liked the sound of the jazzmaster UL, it had a beautifull clean sound, a nice smooth singing overdrive channel, and spartan yet decent sounding effects. And its tiny, and light. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Why not ditch the guitar amp concept in favor of a modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) and 90% of gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably not worth doing or you could probably get by with some of the lighter powered speakers like the JBLs. I keep a combo amp around anyway, but it rarely gets used. Mark --- ditch wrestler wrote: > I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the > latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player... > > > ted. > > William Walker wrote: > Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The > amp is called oddly > enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now > and can't find anything > called a jazz amp. > > The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: > http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000 > > $200 > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very > small , loud as you would > > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head > cabinet design that uses > > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Krispen Hartung > [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo > Amp > > > > > > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie > would be fairly slim. I'd > > be willing to make a trade if someone had the > right gear. I love the amp > > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit > overkill and heavy for me (I > > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use > the boogie just for my > > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of > gettting a Roland Cube > > 30 > > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it > has a lot of > > effects...anybody have one? > > > > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily > for delay, chorus, and > > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really > does have nice verb, > > and > > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like > a a multi-effects box. > > It > > is a bit challenging to program, however. If > someone has the patience to > > get > > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest > software, then you can get > > some > > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide > or TC Electronics > > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little > effects box. > > > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 > units as well.....need > > to > > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love > with those little red > > boxes. > > :) > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tEd � kiLLiAn" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM > > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo > Amp > > > > > >> Kris, > >> > >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager > means. > >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space > processors > >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. > >> > >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor > for me. > >> But a really good processor (or two) with some > new > >> creative potential sounds attractive. > >> > >> Anything more you care to say about them? > >> > >> Ted > >> > >> > >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > >> > >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. > >>> > >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm > >>> > >>> Kris > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make > PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1�/min. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 00:49:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9100A3BEEA; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <091701c6965e$d9814de0$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:49:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:49:18 +0000 (UTC) I acutally like the Fender Twin and Jazz JC-120 tones of my Boss VF1s, and when is started this every Monday night jazz gig, I used them with my powered PA speakers....but, it's still too much shit and technology for me to worry about for a traditional jazz gig. Like many jazzers I know, I want to walk in with my guitar strapped on my back and one small amp in my hand....set the amp down, plug in with one patch chord and simply play. I can setup and be playing in 5 minutes. Moreover, I just bought a Roland Cube 30 and I'm really looking forward to using it when it gets here. Now I can take more time selling my Boogie Mark I....which I am now selling with a 1X12 Mesa Boogie Thiele cabinet (sealed and ported)....both for $1000. The cabinets alone often sell for $250 used on eBay. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results > running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the > sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say > balderdash they souund great. Now I also like the tube combo/ stomp box > route which can get expensive, but still sounds the best to my ears. Do > take > note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not > jazz > chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't > for > you. But a great fender twin model is hard to beat, if you can't lug > around > the real thing and remember that most of the classic electric jazz was > recorded on tube gear, amps, preamps, compressors, etc...having daid that > I > realy liked the sound of the jazzmaster UL, it had a beautifull clean > sound, > a nice smooth singing overdrive channel, and spartan yet decent sounding > effects. And its tiny, and light. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:27 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Why not ditch the guitar amp concept in favor of a > modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) and 90% of > gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably > not worth doing or you could probably get by with some > of the lighter powered speakers like the JBLs. I keep > a combo amp around anyway, but it rarely gets used. > > Mark > > --- ditch wrestler wrote: > >> I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the >> latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player... >> >> >> ted. >> >> William Walker wrote: >> Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The >> amp is called oddly >> enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >> >> >> What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now >> and can't find anything >> called a jazz amp. >> >> The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: >> > http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000 >> >> $200 >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "William Walker" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM >> Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >> >> >> > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very >> small , loud as you would >> > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head >> cabinet design that uses >> > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. >> > Bill >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Krispen Hartung >> [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo >> Amp >> > >> > >> > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie >> would be fairly slim. I'd >> > be willing to make a trade if someone had the >> right gear. I love the amp >> > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit >> overkill and heavy for me (I >> > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use >> the boogie just for my >> > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of >> gettting a Roland Cube >> > 30 >> > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it >> has a lot of >> > effects...anybody have one? >> > >> > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily >> for delay, chorus, and >> > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really >> does have nice verb, >> > and >> > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like >> a a multi-effects box. >> > It >> > is a bit challenging to program, however. If >> someone has the patience to >> > get >> > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest >> software, then you can get >> > some >> > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide >> or TC Electronics >> > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little >> effects box. >> > >> > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 >> units as well.....need >> > to >> > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love >> with those little red >> > boxes. >> > :) >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "tEd � kiLLiAn" >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM >> > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo >> Amp >> > >> > >> >> Kris, >> >> >> >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager >> means. >> >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space >> processors >> >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. >> >> >> >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor >> for me. >> >> But a really good processor (or two) with some >> new >> >> creative potential sounds attractive. >> >> >> >> Anything more you care to say about them? >> >> >> >> Ted >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. >> >>> >> >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >> >>> >> >>> Kris >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make >> PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at > 1�/min. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 01:12:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B8183BEF8; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nRpigV3rMY3uMmb2k6sKsUZETd+sWjSAtxTFpjsUlHLD8qNVnzSGzEl5beVxjfqEOCt+vQTqLZzxgBoYgvI6rKV6xVhMDCOIBGeY+eSCqwEjEdxiETGmNli/3qegwf1HCEtiPy5yhg5jYoCkffNb4/U0QaX0wLK/xlJEIN5c9bI= Message-ID: <913728d60606221812o3372dc56n39b2ae1f92d45b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:12:56 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: EH stereo memory man! In-Reply-To: <913728d60606172006k487fb9f4ib94dc9ea6039187d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60606172006k487fb9f4ib94dc9ea6039187d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-iWgaC.A.ITF.ZA0mEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:12:57 +0000 (UTC) would anybody be interested if i offered it at $120 shipped? Charlie On 6/17/06, Charlie Milkey wrote: > Hello Loopers! > > well, i have my electro-harmonix Stereo Memory Man for sale, its an > analog delay/chorus for those of you that don't know :) > > anyways, i got this out of a trade, the power cord was broken > somewhere, so i bought a new power cord, and it all works :) > > The box is well "relic'ed", its seen it's share of live gigging, but > it all works very well :) > > like i said with my jamman, i won't fill up the server with pics, but > i have them ready, so feel free to drop me an email if you want to see > them :) > > I am asking 140 shipped in the US :) > > > Thanks for reading :) > Charlie > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 01:35:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3033A3BEFC; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <535.c061c8.31cc9f60@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:35:28 EDT Subject: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_535.c061c8.31cc9f60_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:35:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_535.c061c8.31cc9f60_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I am having issues with my All Access/Echoplex/set up and I am hoping someone on the list may be able to help me. Echoplex is set to receive control changes on Midi Channel 2. The instant access switches work great, and all the programming works out (momentary switches etc.) However, sometimes when I select a patch change (sent on midi channel 1 to the Prophesy) the Echoplex responds as if I hit the record button, or a series of parameter editing buttons. The prophesy still changes patches, of course. As the Echoplex is set to Midi Channel 2, and the patch changes are being sent on Midi channel 1 I, in my ignorance, can't figure out how to remedy this. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Donovan Stokes --part1_535.c061c8.31cc9f60_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,
   I am having issues with my All Access/Echoplex/set up and I am= hoping someone on the list may be able to help me. 
     Echoplex is set to receive control changes on Midi=20= Channel 2.
     The instant access switches work great, and all the= programming works out (momentary switches etc.)
     However, sometimes when I select a patch change (se= nt on midi channel 1 to the Prophesy) the Echoplex responds as if I hit the=20= record button, or a series of parameter editing buttons.  The prophesy= still changes patches, of course. 
     As the Echoplex is set to Midi Channel 2, and the p= atch changes are being sent on Midi channel 1 I, in my ignorance, can't figu= re out how to remedy this.  Any help would be appreciated. 
Thanks in advance.
Donovan Stokes

 --part1_535.c061c8.31cc9f60_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 02:15:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B7FB3BEEC; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lPI2NvYLrniyNEVVf+eJAJkOck1f6m9i8PWyxJdVcRaDpEmIgjygdQ04ahN4TTp/s9SosD2d/OZzWx/rY5mtom6KbftubsU1THOqbOu1UsVKyRpO12HicXDPwBkG1vSktqUaX+mX2A1zg5kG/ya5IavaDixbY9yc16UanhCY+CA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <449AEBA0.8030004@post.cybercity.dk> References: <834D289E-B2E8-484F-87F7-548A17FDAD40@gmail.com> <449AEBA0.8030004@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: "Resamling" in Mobius (was: Resampling in Live) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:15:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:15:47 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: >> Resampling on an audio track makes a loop of what is happening on >> the master output at that moment. After you have resampled you may >> of course route the clip of that clip (loop) directly to any >> physically available output on the sound card, or to a Return >> Track if you like to use that as the pipe to a different output. >> But REsampling is not a real-time audio routing method, only a >> quick way to snag what's cooking. >> per On 22 jun 2006, at 21.12, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Indeed, but to clarify: The process of using resampling is also > realtime, it just can't be monitored in real-time. > > Andreas. Yes, that was a better way to explain it :-) Resampling in Live is powerful! Mobius have a similar function named Bounce Recording. Please let me post a short excerpt from the Mobius manual to exemplify: > 15 Bounce Recording > > The Bounce Record function allows you to capture the output of > several tracks, mix them together, and copy the result into an > empty track. This is similar to the bounce down mixing technique > used with a multi track recorder. > > When the Bounce Record function is first called, it begins > capturing the output of any track that is currently playing. The > track output is mixed together "post fader" so the Output Level > control of each track may be used to control the track mix in the > recording. > > When Bounce Record is called a second time, the captured and mixed > track output is copied to the first empty track (from the left). > The source tracks are then immediately muted, and the new track > immediately begins playing. This new track contains a single loop > with the captured output from the other tracks. This loop can then > be manipulated as usual. > > Any number of bounce recordings can be made, but you must have at > least one empty track. If there are no empty tracks when the second > Bounce Record is called, the recording is thrown away. > > Note that bounce recording is a special kind of "global mode" that > is not related to any particular track or loop. While you are > bounce recording, you can be manipulating tracks and loops in any > way, including recording new loops, multiplying, overdubbing, > triggering, and rate shifting. Mobius is recording the entire process. > > Bounce recording can be especially useful with the Retrigger, Rate > Shift and Pitch Shift functions. Once a loop is created, you can > play a chord progression using Rate Shift or Pitch Shift, record > the result of that performance, and bounce this into a new track to > serve as a background loop. > > The timing of the bouce recording may be controlled with the Bounce > Quantize parameter. Bounce quantization is not affected by the > Quantize parameter that is used with other functions. This is > because bounce quantization is almost always set to Loop or Cycle, > but you may not wish to use this same quantization for the > functions that build the loop. For a long time I was lobbying for such functionality in Live, but it never gained enough priority compared to many "meat and potato" functions that needed to be fixed to stand up to Live's new DAW ambition (maybe I could have achieved it with Apple Scriptiing on a Mac, but I have yet to learn that). Anyway, since Mobius came around I don't cry for Live any more ;-) These days the bummer no 1 is that Logic and Mobius doesn't run on the same OS; that would be something extremely powerful for studio production! (but you can still sync up two PC's for a Logic/Mobius interaction, do real-time file rendering in Mobius and move the file into the Mac on a Logic track, through the network or with a USB stick). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 02:30:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382063BF00; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jGmWGFYiyE5ZxsalHJykTSNswk1XYNhTFeBrnfKvHYYiRdQ7g36XEHWjmOQeerwlT4HYnP1OPeLpu2B7n2zVOW3KdeAaQ9qVljqkmzt6f/IwEKqqC/A6yG9u5GM5UhSyxyFY/A1CRt6dO/eNnoA/YRkVX2bKEQ9av+tdQZKVdd8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <27B3661D-EBEC-495D-B40C-1241A5C093D2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:30:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:51 +0000 (UTC) On 22 jun 2006, at 21.33, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Thanks to both of you. It's perfectly clear. > > I've just been trying to find a better way to use multiple ouputs =20 > in live > without bussing through return tracks.... Sorry, have to add a short comment here: I actually like using the =20 Return Tracks for that. The reason is that this opens up for bringing =20= those (physical output transfer) Return Tracks also as Audio Track =20 inputs for the purpose of doing real-time live recording of separate =20 outputs, tracks or submixes of tracks. Bernhard and I did that last =20 year in Z=FCrich and we were able to also incorporate a stereo track of =20= his entire looping rig as an input on one Live Track. If you do that, =20= just remember to delete all clip slots on the recording tracks for =20 all scenes you are using in Live to trigger anything. Or you will by =20 accident stop the recording. Another good thing to know is that any track in live can use the =20 output setting "Sends Only". This means that whatever you rout =20 through that track is not sent to the master channel and by the Aux =20 Send knobs you have full control over how much of the signal to send =20 to each Return Track. And then you have the freedom to route those =20 Return Tracks anywhere - heck , you may even route a Return Track's =20 output back into itself! (do that through a delay set to no direct =20 signal, only "wet", so you won't cause digital audio feedback. Makes =20 for a great dub delay set-up) > To my knowledge there is no better way than that... I thought that =20= > perhaps > it should be possible to have the input for an audio track be the =20 > master > out, but I guess that is avoided because of the obvious chaos which =20= > could > ensue if that routing was mismanaged. Correct! N00bs would melt down their sound cards and American Lawyers =20= would be suing Ableton all day because there were no warning sticker =20 on the product's package cover ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 02:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BA353BEFB; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:54:51 -0500 To: From: mech Subject: RE: oud simulator? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:54:57 +0000 (UTC) At 3:11 PM -0700 6/22/06, William Walker wrote: >Sounds like a sweet project. i wanna hear the results. Thanks Bill! I'm currently finishing up the pedalboard for the setup. I've already got the GK-3. Now all that's left is dropping the axe off by my local luthier's shop and working with him on the string gauges. He's already twiddling his thumbs wondering where it is, but my wife piled up a bunch of heavy boxes all around the room where it's stored. Unburying it is easier said than done. :P Too bad I'm nowhere near Santa Cruz, or I'd just drop it by and let you try it out some afternoon. I'll definitely make a couple of .mp3 samples once it comes back from the doctor in a week or two, though. :) --m. -- _______ "Wind in my heart. Dust in my head..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 02:57:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55FA73BEFB; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <506.142e944.31ccb27b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:56:59 EDT Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_506.142e944.31ccb27b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:57:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_506.142e944.31ccb27b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I should clarify that I am in Bank using first 5 switches as bank and the top 10 as instant access switches. Problem occurs when selecting a patch change using the bank buttons. Thanks again, Donovan --part1_506.142e944.31ccb27b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should clarify that I am in Bank usin= g first 5 switches as bank and the top 10 as instant access switches. =20= Problem occurs when selecting a patch change using the bank buttons. =20=
Thanks again,
Donovan --part1_506.142e944.31ccb27b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 05:03:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36B9E3BED8; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Kzh5X1v9yjaik2bCvbxsk1sr5ndJZtLtNLIMdrQKjtvd3sP9FSHfE18pNXRaPxEYPOTm89he0h6FNurTbe5LTCe74OqrNVWclEU+sZdHqfGvmqQz3dgyu+D1JXW2hTOOadqpChGXxmXp1dJws0GZVNJA9yD3zuuvpwJLFcp6t/M= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:00:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) Thread-Index: AcaWggRgQzZO9AJ1EduLBwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <27B3661D-EBEC-495D-B40C-1241A5C093D2@gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for even increased clarity, Per. Yes, that's how I've been doing it up until this time. One further question, forgive my ignorance. What do you mean by " a great dub delay set-up"? All best, Todd PS. Don't know where you are in Sweden, but have you heard yet of a guy named Walter Thompson, or of something called Soundpainting?? On 6/22/06 7:30 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On 22 jun 2006, at 21.33, Todd Reynolds wrote: >=20 >> Thanks to both of you. It's perfectly clear. >>=20 >> I've just been trying to find a better way to use multiple ouputs >> in live >> without bussing through return tracks.... >=20 > Sorry, have to add a short comment here: I actually like using the > Return Tracks for that. The reason is that this opens up for bringing > those (physical output transfer) Return Tracks also as Audio Track > inputs for the purpose of doing real-time live recording of separate > outputs, tracks or submixes of tracks. Bernhard and I did that last > year in Z=FCrich and we were able to also incorporate a stereo track of > his entire looping rig as an input on one Live Track. If you do that, > just remember to delete all clip slots on the recording tracks for > all scenes you are using in Live to trigger anything. Or you will by > accident stop the recording. >=20 > Another good thing to know is that any track in live can use the > output setting "Sends Only". This means that whatever you rout > through that track is not sent to the master channel and by the Aux > Send knobs you have full control over how much of the signal to send > to each Return Track. And then you have the freedom to route those > Return Tracks anywhere - heck , you may even route a Return Track's > output back into itself! (do that through a delay set to no direct > signal, only "wet", so you won't cause digital audio feedback. Makes > for a great dub delay set-up) >=20 >> To my knowledge there is no better way than that... I thought that >> perhaps >> it should be possible to have the input for an audio track be the >> master >> out, but I guess that is avoided because of the obvious chaos which >> could >> ensue if that routing was mismanaged. >=20 > Correct! N00bs would melt down their sound cards and American Lawyers > would be suing Ableton all day because there were no warning sticker > on the product's package cover ;-) >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 07:12:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FD2A3BED6; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gIkvP6D8FUsw++dqFk9nqF/XBSLxvUfPqrmX2wxF1iRGMFtevTsq3xOVZGccXXIv7wYHg2qXNof+GVSvQZ7qOX46NbI1qqIKN7N/pjsE9myAc8t+uis7+PARPkVPIt5H+MhZ8i+n4a7mbudxmJMVX+eEL1KbLDqWXIrUEUejAPw= ; Message-ID: <20060623071239.16005.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: David Gans at gratefull fest 7 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5yKdnD.A.WnC.tR5mEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:12:46 +0000 (UTC) im looking forward to 4th july weekend.David Gans & Keller Williams will be there too.ill be doing some late late night looping out in the woods somewhere...already got my batteries. mmmmmm drum circles ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 07:28:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C126E3BEDF; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060623071239.16005.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060623071239.16005.qmail@web31902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:22:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: David Gans at gratefull fest 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:28:38 +0000 (UTC) hey Daniel - have we met out there at NLQP before? I have a set with keyboardist Tom Constanten on Sunday, and I'm hoping to get him into a loop jam. At 12:12 AM -0700 6/23/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >im looking forward to 4th july weekend.David Gans & >Keller Williams will be there too.ill be doing some >late late night looping out in the woods >somewhere...already got my batteries. >mmmmmm drum circles ;) -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 07:32:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21DCA3BEF6; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k2SLnAW7mOPTqmB7+ju2e3OODn8WLz81xpusx/zHxA5I2v/WYKKI6KspGrE2gfz2+yKztHva9+O5S2zA0D06oXMMNj8e23yPOwVmQCZImI4duJHP6KoAJRVmyJlsD2KV0IOvnh3mRlce3VBM/5YuRsN/G/wtVQ2J9XUPlb1g54s= ; Message-ID: <20060623073242.20767.qmail@web31914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: [Bazantar] Mark Deutsch - House Concert in Berkeley, Saturday July 1st To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <449B378C.5040907@bazantar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:32:49 +0000 (UTC) this looks fun! --- Sean Leonard wrote: --------------------------------- Greetings All, Markwill be playing a house concert in Berkeley, California on SaturdayJuly 1st. It's been a while since Mark has played a public concert inthe Bay Area so if you're in the vicinity this will be a greatopportunity to hear what he's been working on recently. There is a $10-20 slidingscale donation requested, a portion of which will go to support a localcharity. Space is limited and RSVP's are a must, sosend an email to yaniv.cohen@yahoo.comASAP. Yaniv is hosting the event so he will reserve a space for you andgive you directions --------------------- MarkDeutsch can best be described as a 21st century Renaissance man. Aprofessional musician since the age of twelve, he is a visionary artistwith a background in non-linear mathematics, sacred systems andcosmology. As a classically trained bassist and sitar player he hasgained extensive experience in orchestral ensembles, world musictraditions, jazz combos, and solo sitar performance. Whilst studyingsitar and North Indian classical music with the legendary UstadImrat Khan, Mark began delving deeper into the universalfundamentals of music and their underlying frequency structures. Thesestudies culminated in 1999 with Mark being awarded the US patent forhis ground breaking new instrument the Bazantar - a five-stringacoustic bass fitted with an additional twenty-nine sympathetic stringsand four drone strings. The result is a remarkable instrument thatweaves a mesmerizing soundscape of resonance, and evokes all the powerof Western classical music with the depth and nuance of Easterntraditions. Since the creation of the Bazantar, and the criticallyacclaimed release of his first solo album "Fool", Mark has beenperforming extensively world wide. His awe-inspiring solo sitar andBazantar performances have drawn rave reviews from the internationalmusic community and have generated invitations for Mark to perform atthe Juilliard School of Music, Merkan Concert Hall, EarthdanceInternational, The Hawaiian Contrabass Festival and many other highprofile venues. Mark recently completed the theatre score for a muchlauded French production of Steven Berkoff's adaptation of Poe's "Fallof the House of Usher". On the collaborative side, his music hasattracted an eclectic array of some of today's finest musicians,including Grammy award-winning cellist David Darling, film composer DavidJulyan (Insomnia, Memento), visionary musician and scientist JaronLanier, seminal Chicago rock band Tortoise, virtuoso erhu player andprinciple soloist with the Beijing National Symphony Yang Ying, andjazz luminaries such as William Parker, Roy Campbell, and Hamid Drake.He is a featured guest on Samsara Sound System's newest release"Tales of the Red Dawn" which also features contributions fromGrandmixer DXT (of Herbie Hancock's Rockit! fame) and thelegendary Bill Laswell. Propulsive Beauty: Music in Evolution - The DNA of Nature¹sVibrational Code The fundamental principles of Propulsive Beauty, both eternal andvisionary, are constant truths found at the heart of nature. Inspiredto reveal these fundamentals on a visceral and transformative level,Mark Deutsch created his groundbreaking acoustic instrument - theBazantar. Its unique design is imparted with powerful characteristicsthat manifest complex vibrational realities, creating shifts inconsciousness that allow the listener to experience Propulsive Beautydirectly. What emerges is an extraordinary abundance of energy and asense of respiration as the tones breathe energetically into eachother. Pulsating in a sea of vibration these waves of sound becomeconduits of psychological and physiological transformation. Propulsive Beauty is not about exploring different musical scales ormodes, or about fusing music of one culture with another for peace,though the work would support this. It is not about a betterunderstanding of how notes, chords and harmonies (as we know them inequal temperament) can be used for greater musical impacts. It is abouttuning into the eternal and mathematical fabric of nature as vibrationitself. This core fabric, when used to build a profoundly relatedsystem of tones opens a musical window into the extraordinary coherenceand beauty of nature. Propulsive Beauty is at the intersection ofscience and spirit, providing a template for human consciousness toexpand into a state of true relationship. The deep mathematical principles and construct of Propulsive Beautyalso extend beyond the musical realm, and can be applied to theorganization of other systems as a compelling model that isrelationally coherent, self-sustaining and in accord with our world¹snatural order. This vibrational template of inter-relatedness offers anew framework of understanding, informing other fields such asagriculture, science, and industry in our journey to a more mutuallyenhancing relationship with the planet. ------ *** if you would like to stop receiving these mailings in the futureplease send an email to sean@bazantar.com with the word"unsubscribe"in the subject line.*** . > _______________________________________________ > Bazantar mailing list > Bazantar@enabled.com > http://lists.enabled.com/mailman/listinfo/bazantar > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 07:45:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5103A3BF0C; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAJU4m0RDgQuIQCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060623080808.00f5ec48@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:45:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa....Mackie vs JBL In-Reply-To: <20060623013534.2ADDC3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060623013534.2ADDC3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:45:28 +0000 (UTC) hi Bilbo >Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results Which actually has a valve in it (Bill please correct me if that's wrong). Digital emulation of distortion is invariably tainted with digital aliasing. >running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the >sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say >balderdash they souund great. I heard a lot of the "Mackie" sound during y2k5 (thanks Bill/Rick). The Mackie sm's have a quality to them which I would call "shouty" which increases as the volume goes up, kind of like someone shouting at you through cupped hands, and I kind of had an impression that the bass notes were emerging somewhat slowly, ( again at higher volume). ...but compared to other setups I've heard they're nice. Whether the JBLs would sound better at the exact same volume I don't know, but they're very natural sounding at lower/mid volume. I'd guess that the main difference is how the speakers respond to high volume, with the JBLs going a bit soft, and the Mackies getting "punchy". andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 08:38:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F11593BEEA; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:38:26 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060623083826.268360@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ethnic Music Loopers? (Oud) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1g6hiD.A.D2E.Di6mEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks glad to see that there are so many people here who seem to loop based on ethnic instruments (I thought here were only progressive guitar / electro guys ;-) - I also like that style btw). I like to use various ethnic instruments for looping - was actually considering in the faaaar future of getting an oud - didn't know it is so complicated to handle. Now I'm curious, if you happen to loop ethnic music, do you have any samples to listen to (or a page)? Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 08:51:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12F7F3BEEE; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:51:34 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <27B3661D-EBEC-495D-B40C-1241A5C093D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060623085134.268350@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <27B3661D-EBEC-495D-B40C-1241A5C093D2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Todd & co thanks for the many ideas. I guess I have to try them out when I have time. If resample is using the Main Mix, Return Tracks might be interesting for bouncing few tracks (wasn't there actually a fetarure to group clips?). Basically, I want to resample a clip while I'm messing with it's effects. Btw, I've just discovered the Crossfaders in Ableton. I find it actually quite useful not really for _cross_fading but rather starting a new scene with some tracks and having the other tracks fade in gradually via Crossfader. Whish they had crossfading between various scenes. Concerning Mobius: Is there anything really comparable in Mac? Did you try running it via Virtualisation (like qemu or Parallels)? Really a shame... Best regards and thanks for all the input Buzap -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 09:03:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DDA93BEF3; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kWWOJK3N3tsVeqj5A6olPF1YtIvTSHcddHa9SsCKCyaUWPCgJGRageNTmWlJvCfokSFIn6hTxxe7uDHFciwXP1Cg1W4Z8YM9sMcXyowfdAmUZDJUl4uuEuoUCU9U6aKTruKDIefH4F2MXcJEwPkuFK2ZOjbPO/TlXPl/ghhnm34= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0606230203i2031a9a1m39f483949254cc58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:03:09 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <27B3661D-EBEC-495D-B40C-1241A5C093D2@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:03:11 +0000 (UTC) On 6/23/06, Todd Reynolds wrote: > One further question, forgive my ignorance. What do you mean by " a great > dub delay set-up"? A way do come up with some King Tubby / Lee Perry inspired echo bouncing. Catching a sound into a loop and let it bounce around; eventually distorting it a bit by over-feedback'ing, having it go in and out of sync whith the main mix, changing it's pitch (as a matter of "tape speed"). In Live you can try it by arming a Return Track with a Ping Pong Delay followd by a Compressor. Assign some controller stick/fader/pedal to (1) the Ping Pong delay's equalizer and another to (2) the Ping Pong delay's tempo division ("loop length"). Then set one of the Return Tracks send knobs to send to itself and be sure to keep a third controller assigned to the Return Track's level fader (so you can keep hoovering over the magic spot where the sound never fades but doesn't get overloaded into distortion). > PS. Don't know where you are in Sweden, but have you heard yet of a guy > named Walter Thompson, or of something called Soundpainting?? No, but please tell me! "Soundpainting" sounds interesting :-) I'm in Stockholm. Where does Walter hide? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 09:24:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF003BEF0; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=J/Fb0gSJ+Ew8sgAZyi48i8Q/E2WVgiK29kOY7I54LfM/7WW+qBZyR4wrGv5J0jx2EGYZYAbI9Lf/rtWLUrLVgSJEgDqN5a8hMh1m4axU9mZjsqcclRjRK+CVQxl9mG7bgXDY1QNEwyQ+dsCFmUXgJbH5vjLnEsGu5NDbUvnQC94= In-Reply-To: <20060623085134.268350@gmx.net> References: <27B3661D-EBEC-495D-B40C-1241A5C093D2@gmail.com> <20060623085134.268350@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <435B100F-F0F0-46A6-B10A-62DC88DEDBE0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Resampling in Live (Re: Ableton w/ VST Looper) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:24:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <2oVlnC.A.21G.NN7mEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:24:30 +0000 (UTC) On 23 jun 2006, at 10.51, Buzap Buzap wrote: > (wasn't there actually a fetarure to group clips?). Yes, it's called "scenes" - check that out in the PDF manual for =20 details. To fire off a scene you click one of the slots on the master =20= track (in session view - "the mixer"). You can also bind any MIDI =20 event or computer key to those master track slots. What happens then =20 is that all Clips on all tracks at the same horizontal line as the =20 triggering "scene slot" is triggered (according to their individual =20 "lunch clip" setting). > Basically, I want to resample a clip while I'm messing with it's =20 > effects. You can do that (see the Live Manual quote I posted a while back). > Btw, I've just discovered the Crossfaders in Ableton. I find it =20 > actually quite useful not really for _cross_fading but rather =20 > starting a new scene with some tracks and having the other tracks =20 > fade in gradually via Crossfader. > Whish they had crossfading between various scenes. Crossfade is setting is track based. Scenes are horizontal. But if =20 you put some thinking into it you may find a way. > Concerning Mobius: > Is there anything really comparable in Mac? No. Closest in regard of pitch shifting (=E1 la Electrix Repeater) =20 comes AU-Looper, but it's just a tool for developers and sadly =20 doesn't work properly concerning MIDI binding for real-time control. =20 Sooper-Looper also comes close in regard of staying with and =20 developing the EDP tradition. It was originally a Linux looper but =20 works very well now as an AU plug-in in OS X. My personal favorite =20 for OSX is Augustus Loop. It was originally a tape delay sim AU plug-=20 in but has lately been enhanced with some looping and syncing =20 options. But it still has that cool "free-wheeling" tape loop feel =20 that is hard to get with Mobius or Sooper-Looper. For example, you =20 can feed Augustus with MIDI clips (if run as AU in Live) that work =20 the pitch in real-time - while you are overdubbing into the loop. The =20= easiest implementation of that would be to play only one note on your =20= instrument and step through the MIDI sequences to create melodies in =20 the loop. But then you can use your imagination to combine what you =20 play with what pitch-triggering sequence you feed the loop at the =20 same time. For the looping musician this calls for some "split-=20 vision" musical thinking just as the piano player needs to develop to =20= be able to play freely with left and right hand. Interesting and =20 funny stuff.... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 10:46:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0AA83BEF3; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003501c696b2$412c3880$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <535.c061c8.31cc9f60@aol.com> Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:46:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi You must analyse the MIdi that comes out of the all access on the pc get the midiox application http://www.midiox.com/ so you can see if the all access is spiting messages where he shouldnt AAccess out---computer In---computer thru-----edp Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 3:35 AM Subject: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy > Hello, > I am having issues with my All Access/Echoplex/set up and I am hoping > someone on the list may be able to help me. > Echoplex is set to receive control changes on Midi Channel 2. > The instant access switches work great, and all the programming works > out (momentary switches etc.) > However, sometimes when I select a patch change (sent on midi channel > 1 > to the Prophesy) the Echoplex responds as if I hit the record button, or a > series of parameter editing buttons. The prophesy still changes patches, > of > course. > As the Echoplex is set to Midi Channel 2, and the patch changes are > being sent on Midi channel 1 I, in my ignorance, can't figure out how to > remedy > this. Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance. > Donovan Stokes > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 14:27:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119393BEDA; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <519.15379a1.31cd543c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:27:08 EDT Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_519.15379a1.31cd543c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:27:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_519.15379a1.31cd543c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/23/06 6:46:28 AM, c.voit@vtx.ch writes: > You must analyse the MIdi that comes out of the all access > on the pc get the midiox application http://www.midiox.com/ so you can see > if th > Thanks, will do, don't suppose there is a Mac version somewhere? --part1_519.15379a1.31cd543c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/23/06 6:46:28 AM, c.voit@vtx.ch writes:


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Thanks, will do, don't suppose there is a Mac version somewhere?
 --part1_519.15379a1.31cd543c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 14:35:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3BA63BED5; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <53c.d92eb0.31cd561c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:35:08 EDT Subject: Re: [Bazantar] Mark Deutsch - House Concert in Berkeley, Saturday July 1st To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53c.d92eb0.31cd561c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:35:11 +0000 (UTC) --part1_53c.d92eb0.31cd561c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know Mark Deutsch and his instrument very well, it is always an excellent performance, well worth the experience just to see what he has designed and patented. Nothing electronically oriented, at least when I have seen him, but likely anyone on this list would enjoy it. Donovan Stokes --part1_53c.d92eb0.31cd561c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know Mark Deutsch and his instrument=20= very well, it is always an excellent performance, well worth the experience=20= just to see what he has designed and patented. 
Nothing electronically oriented, at least when I have seen him, but likely a= nyone on this list would enjoy it.

Donovan Stokes

 --part1_53c.d92eb0.31cd561c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 15:48:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C2C3BEE1; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <091701c6965e$d9814de0$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <091701c6965e$d9814de0$86b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-971789545 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Dumb question again Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:48:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-971789545 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi again So I''m going to get a Looperlative but have an unusual opportunity to=20= get a cheaper unit in the mean time. A friend wants to buy me one so=20 we can fiddle while I'm in the Bay Area. I know this is not a simple=20 question and there's no clear and simple answer but... I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's two that don't appear=20= to have the upgrades. The Digitech Jamman Boss RC 50 Or...???? When I first asked about this some folks said to get a cheaper unit and=20= see how the world of looping works for me etc. I guess it makes sense.=20= I'm aiming to do something like Bill Walker does - acoustic stuff...=20= inspired by Michael Hedges etc. What do you use, Bill? Should I just bit the bullet and buy the looper and control pedals etc?=20= Part of me says to go ahead and do that but the frugal part of me says=20= test the water first. And I'm sorry I mentioned the dreaded 'chops' word the other day. I=20 think I was misunderstood. For me, chops is simply the ability to play=20= what you want to play well. It has nothing to do with pyrotechnics,=20 which I don't pursue... or going to Berklee or 32nd notes etc. My=20 particular interest in chops is being able to make the guitar moan...=20 and drawing out the glorious tone of the instrument & making it work. As one of you said, it all boils down to creativity. I support any=20 music that's creative and has passion. I just start to day dream out=20 when that's not there. I appreciate found music and mistakes. And I recorded Miles Davis once=20= (with Jim Smith)... so I am deep into the glory of accidents with=20 music. I love Eric Dolphy and Blind Willie Johnson, Charles Ives and=20 Charlie Parker, Robert Johnson and Robert Dylan - it's a very long=20 list. Actually, I try to not judge other's music really. It's not my=20= business. I was just impressed with how INCREDIBLY simple my daughter=20= wanted the guitar to be. Simple is very good. In some ways simple is=20= much harder than complex. It's just, once you figure out the parts, it=20= LOOKS like you've been playing the guitar for a month or two. But=20 that's just ego and ego... well... Anyhow, back to the looper. I don't need any effects etc or reverse=20 looping etc for my current needs. Just simple looping and a relatively=20= easy way to switch from Loop A to B, maybe to C and back and forth. =20 And I'm very sorry to ask this. I know it's an incredibly stupid and=20 hard question to answer without more data. Thanks richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Jun-06, at 5:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I acutally like the Fender Twin and Jazz JC-120 tones of my Boss VF1s,=20= > and when is started this every Monday night jazz gig, I used them with=20= > my powered PA speakers....but, it's still too much shit and technology=20= > for me to worry about for a traditional jazz gig. Like many jazzers I=20= > know, I want to walk in with my guitar strapped on my back and one=20 > small amp in my hand....set the amp down, plug in with one patch chord=20= > and simply play. I can setup and be playing in 5 minutes. > > Moreover, I just bought a Roland Cube 30 and I'm really looking=20 > forward to using it when it gets here. Now I can take more time=20 > selling my Boogie Mark I....which I am now selling with a 1X12 Mesa=20 > Boogie Thiele cabinet (sealed and ported)....both for $1000. The=20 > cabinets alone often sell for $250 used on eBay. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker"=20 > > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:09 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good=20 >> results >> running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers=20= >> to the >> sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I=20= >> say >> balderdash they souund great. Now I also like the tube combo/ stomp=20= >> box >> route which can get expensive, but still sounds the best to my ears.=20= >> Do take >> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp,=20= >> not jazz >> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox=20 >> ain't for >> you. But a great fender twin model is hard to beat, if you can't lug=20= >> around >> the real thing and remember that most of the classic electric jazz = was >> recorded on tube gear, amps, preamps, compressors, etc...having daid=20= >> that I >> realy liked the sound of the jazzmaster UL, it had a beautifull clean=20= >> sound, >> a nice smooth singing overdrive channel, and spartan yet decent=20 >> sounding >> effects. And its tiny, and light. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:27 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >> >> >> Why not ditch the guitar amp concept in favor of a >> modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) and 90% of >> gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably >> not worth doing or you could probably get by with some >> of the lighter powered speakers like the JBLs. I keep >> a combo amp around anyway, but it rarely gets used. >> >> Mark >> >> --- ditch wrestler wrote: >> >>> I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the >>> latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player... >>> >>> >>> ted. >>> >>> William Walker wrote: >>> Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The >>> amp is called oddly >>> enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. >>> Bill >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >>> >>> >>> What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now >>> and can't find anything >>> called a jazz amp. >>> >>> The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: >>> >> http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=3D2318500000 >>> >>> $200 >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "William Walker" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM >>> Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >>> >>> >>> > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very >>> small , loud as you would >>> > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head >>> cabinet design that uses >>> > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. >>> > Bill >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Krispen Hartung >>> [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM >>> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo >>> Amp >>> > >>> > >>> > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie >>> would be fairly slim. I'd >>> > be willing to make a trade if someone had the >>> right gear. I love the amp >>> > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit >>> overkill and heavy for me (I >>> > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use >>> the boogie just for my >>> > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of >>> gettting a Roland Cube >>> > 30 >>> > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it >>> has a lot of >>> > effects...anybody have one? >>> > >>> > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily >>> for delay, chorus, and >>> > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really >>> does have nice verb, >>> > and >>> > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like >>> a a multi-effects box. >>> > It >>> > is a bit challenging to program, however. If >>> someone has the patience to >>> > get >>> > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest >>> software, then you can get >>> > some >>> > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide >>> or TC Electronics >>> > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little >>> effects box. >>> > >>> > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 >>> units as well.....need >>> > to >>> > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love >>> with those little red >>> > boxes. >>> > :) >>> > >>> > Kris >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "tEd =EF=BF=BD kiLLiAn" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM >>> > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo >>> Amp >>> > >>> > >>> >> Kris, >>> >> >>> >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager >>> means. >>> >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space >>> processors >>> >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. >>> >> >>> >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor >>> for me. >>> >> But a really good processor (or two) with some >>> new >>> >> creative potential sounds attractive. >>> >> >>> >> Anything more you care to say about them? >>> >> >>> >> Ted >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make >>> PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at >> 1=EF=BF=BD/min. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-2-971789545 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi again So I''m going to get a Looperlative but have an unusual opportunity to get a cheaper unit in the mean time. A friend wants to buy me one so we can fiddle while I'm in the Bay Area. I know this is not a simple question and there's no clear and simple answer but...=20 I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's two that don't appear to have the upgrades. The Digitech Jamman Boss RC 50 Or...???? When I first asked about this some folks said to get a cheaper unit and see how the world of looping works for me etc. I guess it makes sense. I'm aiming to do something like Bill Walker does - acoustic stuff... inspired by Michael Hedges etc. What do you use, Bill? Should I just bit the bullet and buy the looper and control pedals etc? Part of me says to go ahead and do that but the frugal part of me says test the water first. =20 And I'm sorry I mentioned the dreaded 'chops' word the other day. I think I was misunderstood. For me, chops is simply the ability to play what you want to play well. It has nothing to do with pyrotechnics, which I don't pursue... or going to Berklee or 32nd notes etc. My particular interest in chops is being able to make the guitar moan... and drawing out the glorious tone of the instrument & making it work. =20 As one of you said, it all boils down to creativity. I support any music that's creative and has passion. I just start to day dream out when that's not there.=20 I appreciate found music and mistakes. And I recorded Miles Davis once (with Jim Smith)... so I am deep into the glory of accidents with music. I love Eric Dolphy and Blind Willie Johnson, Charles Ives and Charlie Parker, Robert Johnson and Robert Dylan - it's a very long list. Actually, I try to not judge other's music really. It's not my business. I was just impressed with how INCREDIBLY simple my daughter wanted the guitar to be. Simple is very good. In some ways simple is much harder than complex. It's just, once you figure out the parts, it LOOKS like you've been playing the guitar for a month or two. But that's just ego and ego... well... Anyhow, back to the looper. I don't need any effects etc or reverse looping etc for my current needs. Just simple looping and a relatively easy way to switch from Loop A to B, maybe to C and back and forth. And I'm very sorry to ask this. I know it's an incredibly stupid and hard question to answer without more data.=20 Thanks Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Jun-06, at 5:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I acutally like the Fender Twin and Jazz JC-120 tones of my Boss VF1s, and when is started this every Monday night jazz gig, I used them with my powered PA speakers....but, it's still too much shit and technology for me to worry about for a traditional jazz gig. Like many jazzers I know, I want to walk in with my guitar strapped on my back and one small amp in my hand....set the amp down, plug in with one patch chord and simply play. I can setup and be playing in 5 minutes. Moreover, I just bought a Roland Cube 30 and I'm really looking forward to using it when it gets here. Now I can take more time selling my Boogie Mark I....which I am now selling with a 1X12 Mesa Boogie Thiele cabinet (sealed and ported)....both for $1000. The cabinets alone often sell for $250 used on eBay. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" < To: < Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say balderdash they souund great. Now I also like the tube combo/ stomp box route which can get expensive, but still sounds the best to my ears. Do take note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not jazz chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for you. But a great fender twin model is hard to beat, if you can't lug around the real thing and remember that most of the classic electric jazz was recorded on tube gear, amps, preamps, compressors, etc...having daid that I realy liked the sound of the jazzmaster UL, it had a beautifull clean sound, a nice smooth singing overdrive channel, and spartan yet decent sounding effects. And its tiny, and light. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Why not ditch the guitar amp concept in favor of a modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) and 90% of gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably not worth doing or you could probably get by with some of the lighter powered speakers like the JBLs. I keep a combo amp around anyway, but it rarely gets used. Mark --- ditch wrestler < wrote: I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player... ted. William Walker < wrote: Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The amp is called oddly enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now and can't find anything called a jazz amp. The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=3D2318500000 $200 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very small , loud as you would > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head cabinet design that uses > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd > be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube > 30 > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of > effects...anybody have one? > > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb, > and > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box. > It > is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to > get > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get > some > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box. > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need > to > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red > boxes. > :) > > Kris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tEd =EF=BF=BD kiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Kris, >> >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. >> >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. >> But a really good processor (or two) with some new >> creative potential sounds attractive. >> >> Anything more you care to say about them? >> >> Ted >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. >>> >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1=EF=BF=BD/min. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com = --Apple-Mail-2-971789545-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 15:52:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92D3E3BED5; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: : RE: FOR SALE: Mesa....Mackie vs JBL Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:52:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060623080808.00f5ec48@tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:52:21 +0000 (UTC) yes that is correct the vox has a tube in it, and I know what you mean about the Mackies, they are perhaps a bit punchy, and I also think they are prone to sounding a bit harsh particularly if the wall ac is running brown, (low wall current) but then most powered PA gear will sound murky if the voltage supply is not right. The reason I mention this is when we played at the Henry Miller Library last fall, the whole system was sounding overtaxed to my ears and the voltage meter on my power conditioner was reading closer to 100 volts not the 110-120, which dirtied up the sound a bit. Cheerio Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa....Mackie vs JBL hi Bilbo >Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results Which actually has a valve in it (Bill please correct me if that's wrong). Digital emulation of distortion is invariably tainted with digital aliasing. >running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the >sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say >balderdash they souund great. I heard a lot of the "Mackie" sound during y2k5 (thanks Bill/Rick). The Mackie sm's have a quality to them which I would call "shouty" which increases as the volume goes up, kind of like someone shouting at you through cupped hands, and I kind of had an impression that the bass notes were emerging somewhat slowly, ( again at higher volume). ...but compared to other setups I've heard they're nice. Whether the JBLs would sound better at the exact same volume I don't know, but they're very natural sounding at lower/mid volume. I'd guess that the main difference is how the speakers respond to high volume, with the JBLs going a bit soft, and the Mackies getting "punchy". andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 16:42:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C36B33BEF1; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003d01c696e4$26dc00a0$70b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20060623013534.2ADDC3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060623080808.00f5ec48@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa....Mackie vs JBL Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:43:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <5FUa7C.A.4ME.JoBnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:42:49 +0000 (UTC) I have a nice set of Acme Lo-B 1x10 3-way speakers, and they're super smooth and 'even' sounding. Next to very nice home stereo and theater speaker setups they fare ok... and I've played through my housemate's bitchin' home theater system. He sells audio equipment for a living... www.valueaudio.com and my sounds come across well on them also. When I visit recording studios and play, my patches sound similar to my home setup. I've found that virtually *all* my sounds that are balanced for recording purposes using studio monitors sound extremely bright, and honky on the Mackie SRM-450's. I've often thought of getting a pair of harsher, brighter speakers to make a bank of performance sounds that I would use for the Mackies, but screw it... I'll live in my nice little audio universe. Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" > I heard a lot of the "Mackie" sound during y2k5 (thanks Bill/Rick). > The Mackie sm's have a quality to them which I would call "shouty" which increases as the volume goes up, kind of like someone shouting at you through cupped hands, and I kind of had an impression that the bass notes were emerging somewhat slowly, ( again at higher volume)... but compared to other setups I've heard they're nice. > Whether the JBLs would sound better at the exact same volume I don't know, but they're very natural sounding at lower/mid volume. I'd guess that the main difference is how the speakers respond to high volume, with the JBLs going a bit soft, and the Mackies getting "punchy". andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 17:10:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C6E53BF0E; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=X3+KKyl1NpHDoh92z8olv2+XCPFzq6Tvxa7zVp0nXm4RVvlxsbiFA0kF/np/Z9MKQDOUp/Rt0IhcopJapW78oOfPLK2d5rPojMwwIxWkHVDb5DXVOpLaWl00kkWS8Kn+CpIvbyoTu0NHIalnV5PsuEYxoE1I5ziXbrEGUIv+5vk= ; Message-ID: <20060623171046.27566.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:10:49 +0000 (UTC) --- William Walker wrote: > Mark has a point, I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > Do take > note that the vox people did not see fit to model a > transistor amp, not jazz > chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set > maybe the vox ain't for > you. Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris has a couple of) I have to say that as much as I like some of the stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. Also I found they're one of the best processor out there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds (though not for guitar) Mark Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 17:25:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B23223BEEA; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BnyWGWidmbZNc2gSz9fjmB/nImuBC0Du1CTAo2Rmwrm5YPZAxaMtP1YyhERQ/OMJm3IuoVKkvbGqfwEV3HO+I0TJK5W3PfOPNAw+BpcjlSsTsNTVYwtzZsFbGRmZ5DcavSPsAuN/Bzi+yDOaHpc1La3ckKA3xIyTaMl9nv6X8lo= ; Message-ID: <20060623172455.41399.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Dumb question again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:25:04 +0000 (UTC) --- Richard Sales wrote: > So I''m going to get a Looperlative but have an > unusual opportunity to > get a cheaper unit in the mean time. A friend wants > to buy me one so > we can fiddle while I'm in the Bay Area. I know > this is not a simple > question and there's no clear and simple answer > but... I'm in the Bay area! Does your friend need a local friend? None of my friends seem to be buying me loopers. I barely get a card on my birthday! ;) > I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's > two that don't appear > to have the upgrades. > The Digitech Jamman > Boss RC 50 > Or...???? I'd say get the used JamMan. The RC-50 seems to be back ordered and the word on the street is their sync ability seems to be less than stellar. JamMan has no sync so if you're playing with a friend you'll probably want good sync. > I'm aiming to do something like Bill Walker does - > acoustic stuff... > inspired by Michael Hedges etc. What do you use, > Bill? I'll respond for Bill as he and I both are Repeater users (Hi Bill!) If you can find one used I say get that (about $500 same as an RC-50) IMO it's still tied for first place in the world of loopers. > Should I just bit the bullet and buy the looper and > control pedals etc? > Part of me says to go ahead and do that but the > frugal part of me says > test the water first. The thing about getting a good looper like the EDP, Looperlative or Repeater is that they hold their value. Before I returned my Looperlative I had several offers to buy it for what I paid. > Anyhow, back to the looper. I don't need any > effects etc or reverse > looping etc for my current needs. Just simple > looping and a relatively > easy way to switch from Loop A to B, maybe to C and > back and forth. Lexicon JamMan is really well set up for that type of looping. Repeater does it but it's a tad more awkward (IMO) though with both you'll need a MIDI controller. Judging by the video it seems the RC-50 does a good job too. Also check out the Electro-harmonix 2880, that seems sweet and is also about $500. > And I'm very sorry to ask this. I know it's an > incredibly stupid and > hard question to answer without more data. If we're not here to answer questions like this, what are we here for? Good luck, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 17:29:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65AF63BF0C; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:29:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: fernades guitars? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <449C32F9.9895.19DCEA1@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20060623164250.63B5B3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone use a fernandes sustainer guitar? I picked one up cheap on ebay but find the battery drain quite depressing. I wrote to their tech people asking if I could use a 9v power supply instead, but he said it would "cause damage" - this seems unlikely - anyone else tried it? All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 17:34:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9A8A3BF0D; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060623172455.41399.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060623172455.41399.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-978187443 Message-Id: <4ef0b3995f26b6c11b5e3a27b704ac7b@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Dumb question again Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:34:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:34:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-978187443 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 23-Jun-06, at 10:24 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > I'm in the Bay area! Does your friend need a local > friend? None of my friends seem to be buying me > loopers. I barely get a card on my birthday! ;) Thanks Mark! When's your birthday?! I"ll see if I can get the JamMan richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > --Apple-Mail-4-978187443 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 23-Jun-06, at 10:24 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: I'm in the Bay area! Does your friend need a local friend? None of my friends seem to be buying me loopers. I barely get a card on my birthday! ;) Thanks Mark! When's your birthday?! I"ll see if I can get the JamMan Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com --Apple-Mail-4-978187443-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 18:12:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E053BF00; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SuHtAFlc9OUPCat4/8SbPj1f9XKlTPc3YgXvAA5jNnT5JLctMQg+EZdZ53AGSLx5RPVMe0vS4fDjljShgX75MUeA8dPvkVTNedwXIkadFzHWc3piQ2dfl+KCqeaXxHu4XTKT5mNI//wwPGKZ/5aEEomp7qL+i/fOo3WhKXFhH6o= ; Message-ID: <20060623181234.83911.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:34 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: David Gans at gratefull fest 7 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:12:36 +0000 (UTC) could be David...so many faces,names,blurs,colors,trails(to hike)i will most definitely check out your set and hope to hear some looping from you.what loop-gear are you bringing?have you played with Tom Constanten many times?its going to be a fun weekend!!! to the future, scary visionary --- David Gans wrote: > > > hey Daniel - have we met out there at NLQP before? > > I have a set with keyboardist Tom Constanten on > Sunday, and I'm > hoping to get him into a loop jam. > > > > > At 12:12 AM -0700 6/23/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > >im looking forward to 4th july weekend.David Gans & > >Keller Williams will be there too.ill be doing some > >late late night looping out in the woods > >somewhere...already got my batteries. > >mmmmmm drum circles ;) > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, > Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://playback.trufun.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 18:14:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B1853BF06; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060623171046.27566.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060623171046.27566.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:14:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2HqYED.A.cVH.w9CnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:14:08 +0000 (UTC) At 10:10 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > >Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good >JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... >I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key >was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab >modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results >when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris >has a couple of) Hey Mark! Have you ever tried running keyboards or bass through your Tonelab? If so, how well did it take to processing instruments having a full-range of frequency content, especially the low end? I've got a powered PA monitor that I'd like to warm up a bit (Gemini GX-350; think of it as in the same ballpark as a Mackie or JBL Eon) and I'm thinking the Tonelab might give a better playing response than your average tube mic preamp. Dunno how well the Tonelab deals with a full frequency spectrum though... TIA! --m. -- _______ "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 18:16:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2A2A3BF15; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wM6VqMG1IQu1S8ftGnkGyJkWodpNFdKjP5+qyT/8+WdmrJJnx2Q1c/iZCwisReFJYrsxmAhsr3hw4xjLZ0+xZn0U5hDQXqVH8pw3yGNySmmQXw8nsPSUUykq5Hyp/zi/sjo5//Hsg3YmOifD9b37uQvxb/Wvp0yNWeI5qi5orHw= ; Message-ID: <20060623181258.55157.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Dumb question again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4ef0b3995f26b6c11b5e3a27b704ac7b@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Heh, I was kidding about the card but good luck with JamMan, I bet you'll like it. Mark --- Richard Sales wrote: > On 23-Jun-06, at 10:24 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > I'm in the Bay area! Does your friend need a > local > > friend? None of my friends seem to be buying me > > loopers. I barely get a card on my birthday! ;) > > Thanks Mark! When's your birthday?! I"ll see if I > can get the JamMan > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 18:23:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E9D3BEE1; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060623181234.83911.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060623181234.83911.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:20:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: David Gans at grateful fest 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:23:58 +0000 (UTC) At 11:12 AM -0700 6/23/06, daniel stevenson wrote: >could be David...so many >faces,names,blurs,colors,trails(to hike)i will most >definitely check out your set and hope to hear some >looping from you.what loop-gear are you bringing?have >you played with Tom Constanten many times?its going to >be a fun weekend!!! I have played with TC on a number of occasions. He's a great player. I will have my EDP and my RC-20XL with me, doing my "cloud" experiments. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 18:24:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1687C3BF22; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4l0X4AgD2gNP4VdMWKgY29chJFPVwXglidLTox3tu7YcyBmX3CLcRyx2f5aj4JsdI5tTdy6IIW4bi+mJmWJkTf0AP4zMWBIIv6eFSa1btoOEoj4KBntguSWivqALfm80QZ/WnefGnfrlzxBFyFrt6suUaytRsYSoi07FpJ+0NVY= ; Message-ID: <20060623182401.54140.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:24:04 +0000 (UTC) The good thing about the tonelab is that you can bypass the preamp or cab models if you'd like. I've never tried keyboards but I run my acoustic guitar and bass through it with pretty good results. Remember most guitar preamps roll off quite quickly after 8K or so and you're not going ot want your keyboard sounds to do that.... or maybe you do. Low end wont' be an issue, but bass has a drop-d bridge set up and it seems to do fine. (I come out of the tonelab and go into a Soundcraft board and on to Mackie studio monitors.) If I remember I'll run the output of one of my synths though it and see how it works. Mark --- mech wrote: > At 10:10 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > >Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a > good > >JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how > now... > >I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the > key > >was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or > cab > >modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results > >when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know > Kris > >has a couple of) > > Hey Mark! Have you ever tried running keyboards or > bass through your > Tonelab? If so, how well did it take to processing > instruments > having a full-range of frequency content, especially > the low end? > > I've got a powered PA monitor that I'd like to warm > up a bit (Gemini > GX-350; think of it as in the same ballpark as a > Mackie or JBL Eon) > and I'm thinking the Tonelab might give a better > playing response > than your average tube mic preamp. Dunno how well > the Tonelab deals > with a full frequency spectrum though... > > TIA! > --m. > -- > _______ > "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 18:56:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0256F3BEFF; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060623182401.54140.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060623182401.54140.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:51:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab (was: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Excellent! I'm running a Stick setup, so I think this might just do the trick. I was a little concerned by all the Harmony Central reviews complaining that "I wish I could get more bass out of my Tonelab". But if you're running a drop-d bass through it with no difficulties, I think it'll have enough tonal response to handle it. Let me know if you are able to do any experiments this weekend (I'm sincerely curious about how well the synths work through it too). And thanks for the feedback!!! :) --m. At 11:24 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >The good thing about the tonelab is that you can >bypass the preamp or cab models if you'd like. I've >never tried keyboards but I run my acoustic guitar and >bass through it with pretty good results. Remember >most guitar preamps roll off quite quickly after 8K or >so and you're not going ot want your keyboard sounds >to do that.... or maybe you do. Low end wont' be an >issue, but bass has a drop-d bridge set up and it >seems to do fine. (I come out of the tonelab and go >into a Soundcraft board and on to Mackie studio >monitors.) > >If I remember I'll run the output of one of my synths >though it and see how it works. > >Mark > >--- mech wrote: > >> At 10:10 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >> > >> >Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a >> good >> >JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how >> now... >> >I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the >> key >> >was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or >> cab >> >modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results >> >when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know >> Kris >> >has a couple of) >> >> Hey Mark! Have you ever tried running keyboards or >> bass through your >> Tonelab? If so, how well did it take to processing >> instruments >> having a full-range of frequency content, especially >> the low end? >> >> I've got a powered PA monitor that I'd like to warm >> up a bit (Gemini >> GX-350; think of it as in the same ballpark as a >> Mackie or JBL Eon) >> and I'm thinking the Tonelab might give a better >> playing response >> than your average tube mic preamp. Dunno how well >> the Tonelab deals >> with a full frequency spectrum though... >> >> TIA! >> --m. >> -- >> _______ >> "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 19:56:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F1DD3BEFF; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" Sender: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: Lealoop Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:56:40 +0200 Message-ID: <008401c696ff$25997a40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcaRhJ6lrynx0TZHRjCtB5STO++lhQFdJwvA In-Reply-To: <20060616203048.1B5043BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:56:45 +0000 (UTC) finally my friend Leander Reininghaus's myspace page is here ... please go and listen to his track Barnard's Loop (played on guitar and EDP) which still gives me the goosebumps _every_ time. And please support him by commenting, adding as myspace friend ... he really is a great musician. www.myspace.com/lealoop -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 22:24:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218A03BEF9; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Dumb question again Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:24:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C696D9.1F3ABA90" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:24:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C696D9.1F3ABA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Richard, Well, I will have to send you a CD of my stuff, as the acoustic stuff is but one side to my musical schizophrenia. I used two Line 6 modellers for that bit of improving I did for the Gourmet Guitars vid, but I also use a Repeater, an LP-1, and an Echoplex as well. I'm most familiar at this point with the DL4's and the Repeater though I'm getting more skilled at the LP-1 and Echoplex. Of the currently available floor stuff, I really like the boomerang, and the new RC50, though its lack of feedback control has some folks panties in a bunch. But both units are self contained and sound really good, and have a lot of memory. regarding the more expensive loopers, you do get a considerable increase in functionality with the more sophisticated rack mount loopers, each having there own strengths and weaknesses, however I enjoy using my DL-4's as much as any of the pricier boxes. I'd make a list of what your needs are and see which looper fits the bill the best. Do you need long memory time, the ability to half speed record, reverse function, or variable feedback? Also remember that the more limited boxes still have much to offer, and sometimes an effects limitations can act to inspire. I personally know of a used Repeater for sale, though I'm not sure what version the software is yet. Regarding the RC-50's, The store I work at part time in Santa Cruz has two available, and are selling for whatever the MAP pricing is on the internet. God luck and get going. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dumb question again Hi again So I''m going to get a Looperlative but have an unusual opportunity to get a cheaper unit in the mean time. A friend wants to buy me one so we can fiddle while I'm in the Bay Area. I know this is not a simple question and there's no clear and simple answer but... I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's two that don't appear to have the upgrades. The Digitech Jamman Boss RC 50 Or...???? When I first asked about this some folks said to get a cheaper unit and see how the world of looping works for me etc. I guess it makes sense. I'm aiming to do something like Bill Walker does - acoustic stuff... inspired by Michael Hedges etc. What do you use, Bill? Should I just bit the bullet and buy the looper and control pedals etc? Part of me says to go ahead and do that but the frugal part of me says test the water first. And I'm sorry I mentioned the dreaded 'chops' word the other day. I think I was misunderstood. For me, chops is simply the ability to play what you want to play well. It has nothing to do with pyrotechnics, which I don't pursue... or going to Berklee or 32nd notes etc. My particular interest in chops is being able to make the guitar moan... and drawing out the glorious tone of the instrument & making it work. As one of you said, it all boils down to creativity. I support any music that's creative and has passion. I just start to day dream out when that's not there. I appreciate found music and mistakes. And I recorded Miles Davis once (with Jim Smith)... so I am deep into the glory of accidents with music. I love Eric Dolphy and Blind Willie Johnson, Charles Ives and Charlie Parker, Robert Johnson and Robert Dylan - it's a very long list. Actually, I try to not judge other's music really. It's not my business. I was just impressed with how INCREDIBLY simple my daughter wanted the guitar to be. Simple is very good. In some ways simple is much harder than complex. It's just, once you figure out the parts, it LOOKS like you've been playing the guitar for a month or two. But that's just ego and ego... well... Anyhow, back to the looper. I don't need any effects etc or reverse looping etc for my current needs. Just simple looping and a relatively easy way to switch from Loop A to B, maybe to C and back and forth. And I'm very sorry to ask this. I know it's an incredibly stupid and hard question to answer without more data. Thanks richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 22-Jun-06, at 5:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I acutally like the Fender Twin and Jazz JC-120 tones of my Boss VF1s, and when is started this every Monday night jazz gig, I used them with my powered PA speakers....but, it's still too much shit and technology for me to worry about for a traditional jazz gig. Like many jazzers I know, I want to walk in with my guitar strapped on my back and one small amp in my hand....set the amp down, plug in with one patch chord and simply play. I can setup and be playing in 5 minutes. Moreover, I just bought a Roland Cube 30 and I'm really looking forward to using it when it gets here. Now I can take more time selling my Boogie Mark I....which I am now selling with a 1X12 Mesa Boogie Thiele cabinet (sealed and ported)....both for $1000. The cabinets alone often sell for $250 used on eBay. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've had good results running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller lighter weight brothers to the sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think are harsh sounding. I say balderdash they souund great. Now I also like the tube combo/ stomp box route which can get expensive, but still sounds the best to my ears. Do take note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not jazz chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for you. But a great fender twin model is hard to beat, if you can't lug around the real thing and remember that most of the classic electric jazz was recorded on tube gear, amps, preamps, compressors, etc...having daid that I realy liked the sound of the jazzmaster UL, it had a beautifull clean sound, a nice smooth singing overdrive channel, and spartan yet decent sounding effects. And its tiny, and light. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Why not ditch the guitar amp concept in favor of a modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) and 90% of gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably not worth doing or you could probably get by with some of the lighter powered speakers like the JBLs. I keep a combo amp around anyway, but it rarely gets used. Mark --- ditch wrestler wrote: I think that amp and cab was reviewed in the latest/very recent issue of Guitar Player... ted. William Walker wrote: Under amps, look under the heading ultralight, The amp is called oddly enough, the Jazz master ultra light.. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp What model is that Bill? I'm on the Fender site now and can't find anything called a jazz amp. The FM 25 DSP looks interesting: http://www.fender.com/products/search.php?partno=2318500000 $200 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > The new fender jazz amp is worth a look, very small , loud as you would > need, and nice simple effects. and its a head cabinet design that uses > speakon plugs. It sounds realy real good. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Yeah, I thought the target market for my boogie would be fairly slim. I'd > be willing to make a trade if someone had the right gear. I love the amp > and the tone is spectacular, but it's a bit overkill and heavy for me (I > have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I use the boogie just for my > monday night traditional jazz gig. I'm thinking of gettting a Roland Cube > 30 > because it is only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it has a lot of > effects...anybody have one? > > My lexicon LXP1 and LXP5. The LXP1 is primarily for delay, chorus, and > reverb. I had been using it for reverb...it really does have nice verb, > and > the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more like a a multi-effects box. > It > is a bit challenging to program, however. If someone has the patience to > get > inside the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest software, then you can get > some > interesting sounds out of it. It's not an Eventide or TC Electronics > Fireworx by any means, but still a powerful little effects box. > > I'm actually considering selling my two Boss VF-1 units as well.....need > to > give that more thought, however, as I'm in love with those little red > boxes. > :) > > Kris > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tEd � kiLLiAn" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Kris, >> >> 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my meager means. >> I am mildly interested in your Lexicon half-space processors >> you mentioned on the list the other day however. >> >> Given I'm a Mac guy, the software isn't a factor for me. >> But a really good processor (or two) with some new >> creative potential sounds attractive. >> >> Anything more you care to say about them? >> >> Ted >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Any takers? It's a beauty. >>> >>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1�/min. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C696D9.1F3ABA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Richard,
Well,=20 I will have to send you a CD of my stuff, as the acoustic stuff is but = one side=20 to my musical schizophrenia. I used two Line 6 modellers for that bit of = improving I did for the Gourmet Guitars vid, but I also use a Repeater, = an LP-1,=20 and an Echoplex as well. I'm most familiar at this point with the DL4's = and the=20 Repeater though I'm getting more skilled at the LP-1 and Echoplex. Of = the=20 currently available floor stuff, I really like the boomerang, and the = new RC50,=20 though its lack of feedback control has some folks panties in a bunch. = But both=20 units are self contained and sound really good, and have a lot of = memory. =20 regarding the more expensive loopers, you do get a considerable increase = in=20 functionality with the more sophisticated rack mount loopers, each = having there=20 own strengths and weaknesses, however I enjoy using my DL-4's as much as = any of=20 the pricier  boxes. I'd make a list of what your needs are and see = which=20 looper fits the bill the best. Do you need long memory time, the ability = to half=20 speed record, reverse function, or variable feedback? Also remember that = the=20 more limited boxes still have much to offer, and sometimes an effects=20 limitations can act to inspire. I personally know of a used Repeater for = sale,=20 though I'm not sure what version the software is yet. Regarding the = RC-50's, The=20 store I work at part time in Santa Cruz has two available, and are = selling for=20 whatever the MAP pricing is on the internet.
God=20 luck and get going.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sales=20 [mailto:richard@glasswing.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 = 8:48=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Dumb=20 question again

Hi again

So I''m going to = get a=20 Looperlative but have an unusual opportunity to get a cheaper unit in = the mean=20 time. A friend wants to buy me one so we can fiddle while I'm in the = Bay Area.=20 I know this is not a simple question and there's no clear and simple = answer=20 but...

I can buy an old LExicon JamMan on ebay. There's two = that don't=20 appear to have the upgrades.
The Digitech Jamman
Boss RC=20 50
Or...????
When I first asked about this some folks said to = get a=20 cheaper unit and see how the world of looping works for me etc. I = guess it=20 makes sense. I'm aiming to do something like Bill Walker does - = acoustic=20 stuff... inspired by Michael Hedges etc. What do you use, = Bill?

Should=20 I just bit the bullet and buy the looper and control pedals etc? Part = of me=20 says to go ahead and do that but the frugal part of me says test the = water=20 first.

And I'm sorry I mentioned the dreaded 'chops' word the = other=20 day. I think I was misunderstood. For me, chops is simply the ability = to play=20 what you want to play well. It has nothing to do with = pyrotechnics,=20 which I don't pursue... or going to Berklee or 32nd notes etc. My = particular=20 interest in chops is being able to make the guitar moan... and drawing = out the=20 glorious tone of the instrument & making it work.

As one = of you=20 said, it all boils down to creativity. I support any music that's = creative and=20 has passion. I just start to day dream out when that's not there. =

I=20 appreciate found music and mistakes. And I recorded Miles Davis once = (with Jim=20 Smith)... so I am deep into the glory of accidents with music. I love = Eric=20 Dolphy and Blind Willie Johnson, Charles Ives and Charlie Parker, = Robert=20 Johnson and Robert Dylan - it's a very long list. Actually, I try to = not judge=20 other's music really. It's not my business. I was just impressed with = how=20 INCREDIBLY simple my daughter wanted the guitar to be. Simple is very = good. In=20 some ways simple is much harder than complex. It's just, once you = figure out=20 the parts, it LOOKS like you've been playing the guitar for a month or = two.=20 But that's just ego and ego... well...

Anyhow, back to the = looper. I=20 don't need any effects etc or reverse looping etc for my current = needs. Just=20 simple looping and a relatively easy way to switch from Loop A to B, = maybe to=20 C and back and forth. And I'm very sorry to ask this. I know it's an=20 incredibly stupid and hard question to answer without more data.=20

Thanks

richard = sales
glassWing farm and=20 studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On=20 22-Jun-06, at 5:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I acutally like the Fender Twin and Jazz JC-120 tones of = my Boss=20 VF1s, and when is started this every Monday night jazz gig, I used = them with=20 my powered PA speakers....but, it's still too much shit and = technology for=20 me to worry about for a traditional jazz gig. Like many jazzers I = know, I=20 want to walk in with my guitar strapped on my back and one small amp = in my=20 hand....set the amp down, plug in with one patch chord and simply = play. I=20 can setup and be playing in 5 minutes.

Moreover, I just = bought a=20 Roland Cube 30 and I'm really looking forward to using it when it = gets here.=20 Now I can take more time selling my Boogie Mark I....which I am now = selling=20 with a 1X12 Mesa Boogie Thiele cabinet (sealed and ported)....both = for=20 $1000. The cabinets alone often sell for $250 used on=20 eBay.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "William = Walker"=20 <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, June = 22, 2006=20 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo = Amp


Mark has a point, i too love the vox modeler, and I've = had=20 good results
running into my mackie sm 350's the smaller = lighter weight=20 brothers to the
sm450s, which I know some of you JBL fans think = are=20 harsh sounding. I say
balderdash they souund great. Now I also = like the=20 tube combo/ stomp box
route which can get expensive, but still = sounds=20 the best to my ears. Do take
note that the vox people did not = see fit=20 to model a transistor amp, not jazz
chorus model ala line 6. So = if that=20 is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for
you. But a great = fender twin=20 model is hard to beat, if you can't lug around
the real thing = and=20 remember that most of the classic electric jazz was
recorded on = tube=20 gear, amps, preamps, compressors, etc...having daid that = I
realy liked=20 the sound of the jazzmaster UL, it had a beautifull clean = sound,
a nice=20 smooth singing overdrive channel, and spartan yet decent=20 sounding
effects. And its tiny, and = light.
Bill

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: mark sottilaro=20 [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, = 2006 10:27=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FOR = SALE:=20 Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Why not ditch the guitar = amp=20 concept in favor of a
modeler? I swear by mine (Vox Tonelab) = and 90%=20 of
gigs have a PA anyway. Those that don't are probably
not = worth=20 doing or you could probably get by with some
of the lighter = powered=20 speakers like the JBLs. I keep
a combo amp around anyway, but = it rarely=20 gets used.

Mark

--- ditch wrestler=20 <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote:

I think that amp and cab was reviewed in = the
latest/very=20 recent issue of Guitar Player...


ted.

William = Walker=20 <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
Under amps, look under = the=20 heading ultralight, The
amp is called oddly
enough, the = Jazz=20 master ultra light..
Bill

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: = Wednesday, June=20 21, 2006 6:15 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


What model = is that=20 Bill? I'm on the Fender site now
and can't find = anything
called a=20 jazz amp.

The FM 25 DSP looks=20 = interesting:

http://www.fender.com/products/search.ph= p?partno=3D2318500000

$200

Kris

----- Original Message=20 -----
From: "William Walker"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June = 21, 2006=20 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo=20 Amp


> The new fender jazz amp is worth a look,=20 very
small , loud as you would
> need, and nice simple = effects.=20 and its a head
cabinet design that uses
> speakon = plugs. It=20 sounds realy real good.
> Bill
>
> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: Krispen=20 Hartung
[mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, = June=20 20, 2006 9:36 PM
> To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=20 Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I=20 Combo
Amp
>
>
> Yeah, I thought the target = market=20 for my boogie
would be fairly slim. I'd
> be willing to = make a=20 trade if someone had the
right gear. I love the amp
> = and the=20 tone is spectacular, but it's a bit
overkill and heavy for me = (I
> have a bad back, had surgury last Dec, etc). I = use
the=20 boogie just for my
> monday night traditional jazz gig. = I'm=20 thinking of
gettting a Roland Cube
> 30
> because = it is=20 only 20 pounds and smaller, plus it
has a lot of
>=20 effects...anybody have one?
>
> My lexicon LXP1 and = LXP5.=20 The LXP1 is primarily
for delay, chorus, and
> reverb. = I had=20 been using it for reverb...it really
does have nice = verb,
>=20 and
> the chorus is lush as well. The LXP5 is more = like
a a=20 multi-effects box.
> It
> is a bit challenging to = program,=20 however. If
someone has the patience to
> get
> = inside=20 the menu tree, or uses the MIDIQuest
software, then you can=20 get
> some
> interesting sounds out of it. It's not = an=20 Eventide
or TC Electronics
> Fireworx by any means, but = still a=20 powerful little
effects box.
>
> I'm actually = considering=20 selling my two Boss VF-1
units as well.....need
> = to
>=20 give that more thought, however, as I'm in love
with those = little=20 red
> boxes.
> :)
>
>=20 Kris
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> From: "tEd =EF=BF=BD kiLLiAn"
> To:
> = Sent: Tuesday,=20 June 20, 2006 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa = Boogie Mark I=20 Combo
Amp
>
>
>> = Kris,
>>
>>=20 'Tis a beaut indeed. But a tad rich for my = meager
means.
>>=20 I am mildly interested in your Lexicon=20 half-space
processors
>> you mentioned on the list = the other=20 day however.
>>
>> Given I'm a Mac guy, the = software=20 isn't a factor
for me.
>> But a really good = processor (or=20 two) with some
new
>> creative potential sounds=20 attractive.
>>
>> Anything more you care to = say about=20 them?
>>
>> = Ted
>>
>>
>> On=20 Jun 20, 2006, at 8:46 PM, Krispen=20 Hartung
wrote:
>>
>>> Any takers? It's a = beauty.
>>>
>>>=20 = http://www.krispenhartung.com/mark-I.htm
>>>
>>> = = Kris
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
&= gt;
>
>
>
>








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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C696D9.1F3ABA90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 23 23:00:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52FF03BF0A; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:00:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060623171046.27566.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box effects on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab. Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it adds tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet smooth and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted a review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for a more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the bill. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp --- William Walker wrote: > Mark has a point, I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > Do take > note that the vox people did not see fit to model a > transistor amp, not jazz > chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set > maybe the vox ain't for > you. Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris has a couple of) I have to say that as much as I like some of the stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. Also I found they're one of the best processor out there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds (though not for guitar) Mark Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 03:13:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBFAB3BF04; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d901c6973c$2795abb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:13:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing little boxes. Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were making a fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some amazing jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man. Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the board. The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot for selling that years ago. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab > (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box > effects > on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the > front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the > original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a > rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring > modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to > pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in > the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last > week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb > struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab. > Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it > adds > tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything > from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet > smooth > and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted > a > review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it > sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone > lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for a > more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early > marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the > bill. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > --- William Walker wrote: > >> Mark has a point, > > I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > > >> Do take >> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a >> transistor amp, not jazz >> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set >> maybe the vox ain't for >> you. > > Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good > JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... > I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key > was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab > modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results > when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris > has a couple of) > > I have to say that as much as I like some of the > stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio > I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are > really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab > sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. > Also I found they're one of the best processor out > there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds > (though not for guitar) > > Mark > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 08:59:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67EFC3BF0A; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAC+YnESBSog6 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060624095740.01a918f0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:59:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Dumb question again In-Reply-To: <20060623222451.AF8BF3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060623222451.AF8BF3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <528SBC.A.rRG.B8PnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:59:45 +0000 (UTC) At 23:24 23/06/2006, you wrote: > > looping etc for my current needs. Just simple > > looping and a relatively > > easy way to switch from Loop A to B, maybe to C and > > back and forth. > >Lexicon JamMan is really well set up for that type of >looping. if you're midi synced it is ....otherwise the fact that all the loops have the same length as the first makes the ABC thing very impractical andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 09:11:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91ECD3BF0E; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAC+YnESBSog6 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060624100046.01bc36b0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:11:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: fernades guitars? In-Reply-To: <20060623222451.AF8BF3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060623222451.AF8BF3BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:11:27 +0000 (UTC) At 23:24 23/06/2006, you wrote: >Subject: fernades guitars? >Message-ID: <449C32F9.9895.19DCEA1@nick.12testing.net> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Content-description: Mail message body > >Does anyone use a fernandes sustainer guitar? I picked one up cheap >on ebay but find the battery drain quite depressing. I wrote to their >tech people asking if I could use a 9v power supply instead, but he >said it would "cause damage" - this seems unlikely - if you use a 9V unregulated supply it's just possible that the Voltage might end up somewhat over 9V, which might damage some components. ....but as you say, even that's very unlikely bet you could run the 9V as phantom power down a regular guitar lead andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 13:11:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0933BF18; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O9J5AEWjG1GtcXHTCd0qw9LhrAbkbRE4+7wd6uKsaMZ97jWX34nbV8QyjHVNzzWghaZYz55wpb9mWj8M4jp+9dckbXxLuCUVi6mUB0+7TiTTsy9S4XnMfHCC+CzKcTQq4WMvvWPwUbzFizu1C6fvX3ylGXjFnfWxFOZWYYOhFtM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:11:00 +0200 From: "Thomas Rutgers" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cooking a song In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060621120208.01ba5990@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10949_5676154.1151154660844" References: <20060621100022.3858E3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060621120208.01ba5990@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:11:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10949_5676154.1151154660844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline thanks for the advice... I think it's a principle that's very common in almnost every composition, transforming motives and using them again etc... but what i'm looking for is people who do this live solo, with the help of live-sampling techniques... & by this way taking the "looping" idea one step further...? greets Thomas 2006/6/21, a k butler : > > At 11:00 21/06/2006, you wrote: > >use other compositorial techniques? > >so not "building up" loop on loop, but for example playing back a > >little melody that was played 3 minutes ago, on a different tempo, > >so it just fits with the rythm played 5 minutes ago while the vocals > >are played backward again... in this way "cooking" a song. > > J.S. Bach for starters. > The Art of Fugue > > andybutler > > > > ------=_Part_10949_5676154.1151154660844 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
thanks for the advice...
 
I think it's a principle that's very common in almnost every composition, transforming motives and using them again etc...
 
but what i'm looking for is people who do this live solo, with the help of live-sampling techniques...
& by this way taking the "looping" idea one step further...?
 
greets Thomas


 
2006/6/21, a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
At 11:00 21/06/2006, you wrote:
>use other compositorial techniques?
>so not "building up" loop on loop, but for example playing back a
>little melody that was played 3 minutes ago, on a different tempo,
>so it just fits with the rythm played 5 minutes ago while the vocals
>are played backward again... in this way "cooking" a song.

J.S. Bach for starters.
The Art of Fugue

andybutler




------=_Part_10949_5676154.1151154660844-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 13:31:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E5B3BF0B; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=azji/QwVwUBw0Hpxs3qW5P8VEpBzZrJBuUyH1rssyJ11UBjqJuBEuNIyL2U937jUSYwkv4PYmFv41pvLhL3LQZxHrNOvcEMwzmiTYS7dZVwzfko9vFMqrzbTLS/lxGU05pnY4c6av9HCvdOolPEoJiTTfa/qzO41ASlwTdawQm8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <20060621100022.3858E3BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060621120208.01ba5990@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <424A96B8-DB37-4A98-B125-EDDDB179A254@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Cooking a song Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:31:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <1XTX8D.A.rMF.46TnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:36 +0000 (UTC) On 24 jun 2006, at 15.11, Thomas Rutgers wrote: > I think it's a principle that's very common in almnost every > composition, transforming motives and using them again etc... > > but what i'm looking for is people who do this live solo, with the > help of live-sampling techniques... > & by this way taking the "looping" idea one step further...? > > greets Thomas Isn't that what we call "live looping"? For example Andy Butler, that recently posted in this thread, likes to work with musical structures in focus (as opposed to working only with "pure sound", with "transition" or with "sheer attitude", "deconstruction"... or whatever expressions different artists stick with). Another live looper that comes to my mind is Steve Lawson; I just received his latest album in the mail and he is as musically structured as ever - producing multi thematic music with a fret less bass and a Looperlative eight track looping device. The cool thing with Steve IMHO is that he makes use of good chops (yeah, that WORD - here we go again....) to twist the emotional side of music that is well structured by theory, moulding it into something different. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 14:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E81E3BF1F; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <508.181c7bc.31cea7ed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:36:29 EDT Subject: looper in guitar player To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_508.181c7bc.31cea7ed_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:36:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_508.181c7bc.31cea7ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a big CONGRATS to DAVE EICHENBERGER for getting into this months G.P......koolness!.....i think my LOOPPOLKA band concept will get my mug on da cover baby!.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_508.181c7bc.31cea7ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a big CONGRATS to DAVE EICHENBERGER for= getting into this months G.P......koolness!.....i think my LOOPPOLKA band c= oncept will get my mug on da cover baby!.....:).....michael



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 --part1_508.181c7bc.31cea7ed_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 15:01:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9BD93BF1F; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001f01c692ee$0fe0f2b0$b3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <001f01c692ee$0fe0f2b0$b3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5917f0ab9138b904b5e327918e50171a@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: LXP-1, LXP-5, and MidiQuest Software on eBay Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:01:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, Looks like the auction ended on these already. If I can make up my mind maybe I can still make an offer on them at some point -- if you're not in to big of a hurry. I also need to buy a 3rd EDP sometime in the near future. It'll be hard to allocate funds for both, but I think I can do it. Cheers, Ted On Jun 18, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > In case anyone is interested, I'm selling my Lexicon LXP-1, LXP-5, and > MIDIQuest programming software on eBay with a Buy Now for $200 US. > > http://tinyurl.com/f42ft From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 17:03:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 706323BEF0; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:12:55 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: ELP (was: Hiromi) To: Message-id: <004301c697b1$6f99e500$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <16849983.1150829083543.JavaMail.root@web20> <007a01c6951c$ec20e700$0207a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:03:53 +0000 (UTC) In 1985, I was working as an intern in Redan Recorders, a recording studio in London. One of the clients who came in for a two-day session was Keith Emerson. This session was different from all the others while I was at the studio: 1) No-one except the recording engineer, Mr. Emerson and his producer were allowed in to the control room at any time; 2) When I arrived at work at 9.00am each day, I was asked to head straight to a local liquor store, wait till they open and to buy a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label and a bottle of Johnny Walker Red Label. During the session, the engineer - who was normally a very jolly man and who joked a lot - would come out everynow and again. He didn't look jolly. He would silently make some tea for himself. David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 17:50:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04DB23BED5; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:59:03 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: (was Punk reaction to Prog) - MAGMA To: Message-id: <007701c697b7$e21871e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <062120061523.5095.4499648C0008E17C000013E72200734076CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comc ast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:50:09 +0000 (UTC) According to an article in a recent Mojo, one Johnny Rotten's favorite bands in 1974-1975 (when he had long hair) was MAGMA. MAGMA were a French band lead by its drummer, Christian Vander. MAGMA invented their own language in which to sing. Most of their music involved a distant planet Kobaia who are invaded by the Orc, or something like that. MAGMA can be heard here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jN8ncmwAofk&search=magma and here: http://www.magma-tv.com/#70 If you are a fan of Progie strains of music and you have not heard MAGMA, I can't recommend them strongly enough. A good place to start would be: Live: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000059ZDX/sr=8-3/qid=1151170791/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-5929728-3615217?ie=UTF8 and Udu Wudu: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000C6VSO/sr=8-4/qid=1151170791/ref=pd_bbs_4/002-5929728-3615217?ie=UTF8 David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: Re: More Prog Rock (was: Hiromi) > At 3:23 PM +0000 6/21/06, Christophe wrote: > >I think the whole prog-bashing trend started as sour grapes on the > >part of kids who just didn't have the chops to play it. As I > >recall, at the same time that prog was declared a dinosaur by these > >young turks virtuosity in general was poo-pooed just as much. > > That's certainly not how it was when it started. For instance, The > Stranglers, who are generally given credit for releasing the first > Punk LP ('Rattus Norvegicus', which predated the Sex Pistols' 'Never > Mind the Bollocks' release by several weeks) had fantastic "chops". > Listen to many of the songs from 'Black & White', their 3rd studio > album, with Dave Greenfield's Manzarek-inspired keyboard runs or JJ > Burnel's hooky bass lines. They merely knew when to use chops and > when to let the song, however raw, speak for itself. > > And the early American groups that were the inspiration for the > British -- like the Ramones, MI-5, & Iggy Pop -- usually didn't > really trash the whole concept of being able to play well. That just > wasn't where they were interested in putting their emphasis. > > On the other hand, you also had just as many prog-rockers (such as > Phil Collins) slagging off Punk as completely without merit. "That's > not music; that's crap!" > > Then came the infighting and the genre wars; not to mention the > Post-Punk period, where if you tried to put anything left of the > party line back into your music, you were deemed a "sell out" and > gobbed upon by the leftover Punk contingent. This wasn't much helped > by the British music press, who were notoriously vicious at this time > (New Music Express, for instance, which was generally referred to by > most bands as N.M.E. -- as in "enemy"). They often exploited the > trend-hopping and infighting just to sell magazines. > > However, there still remains good expressive music on both sides. I > could probably name you a dozen fantastic Punk groups off the top of > my head (stop worrying; I'll spare you). Returning to the Prog side > though, I'm surprised that Henry Cow -- as well as many of the other > Fred Frith projects -- hasn't yet come up. Their first album, > 'Legend' (pronounced Leg End, heh!) alone is worth honorable mention, > if nothing else. > > And, out of left field, I'll also throw in the Dutch group Focus, who > achieved some minor visibilty with 'Hocus Pocus' during the 70's -- a > song which featured not only Jan Akkerman's lightening fast guitar > "chops" but also YODELLING!!! In this case, I've always been fond of > their 'Hamburger Concerto', which is alternately bombastically > overblown, simplistically silly, charmingly pretentious, and quite > genius. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 19:27:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB0E43BED3; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c697c4$4121b4b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <16849983.1150829083543.JavaMail.root@web20> <007a01c6951c$ec20e700$0207a8c0@eluk1> <004301c697b1$6f99e500$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: ELP (was: Hiromi) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:27:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <9_IrwD.A.VwH.0IZnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:27:48 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, 24 June, 2006 18:12 PM Subject: Re: ELP (was: Hiromi) > In 1985, I was working as an intern in Redan Recorders, a recording studio > in London. > > One of the clients who came in for a two-day session was Keith Emerson. > This session was different from all the others while I was at the studio: > > 1) No-one except the recording engineer, Mr. Emerson and his producer were > allowed in to the control room at any time; > 2) When I arrived at work at 9.00am each day, I was asked to head straight > to a local liquor store, wait till they open and to buy a bottle of Johnny > Walker Black Label and a bottle of Johnny Walker Red Label. > > During the session, the engineer - who was normally a very jolly man and > who > joked a lot - would come out everynow and again. He didn't look jolly. > He > would silently make some tea for himself. Sounds like a latter form of Brown M&Ms Syndrome... :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 19:29:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC963BEDC; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ofi/tjQnt6ccf0Sgdg1+//GgWKAk8MLEN3rUzCH96d+1sAvGTPvYqm79eRLYVuw4KBKIm6B+1Po2haZAxBBfIvSImwYAdT/2+Ty6UB2k5/qdxxF5Gt+tYBO0V2labX+Aezvs9Ave6M2FIhMiszbdWJI8gp/6KX+HMAERaprfmoY= ; Message-ID: <20060624192937.39573.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: OT: Tonelab JC-120 emulation To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:29:39 +0000 (UTC) --- William Walker wrote: > Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 > thingy on the tonelab Here's my settings. Of course with a different guitar/pa setup your mileage will vary. First I start with the Boutique Clean amp model gain: 2.3 vr gain 7.8 treb 2.4 mid 7.2 bass 10 TURN OFF THE CAB models. This is the key I think. Wait, you're asking, where's the chorus? Good question. While the Tonelab's effects are good, since I'm always slaved to a MIDI clock I like my presets set up to follow them too. For that I love the VF-1. So much so I bought two! Here's how that's set up: I started off with a patch called "3D CHORUS" it's basically a 4 band EQ that I turn off and roland's nice stereo chours that I love so much. Polarity: Invert rate BPM/whole note depth 80 predelay 10ms low cut: flat high cut: flat effect level 100% then I make sure the master bpm is set for MIDI and viola, it syncs up all nice. Would it stand up next to the real thing? I don't know but I love the sound anyway and I haven't owned a JC-120 since the mid 80s. Basically I wish someone would make an amp modeler that would have everything synced like I like it, but it seems no one is/will. The Vox was supposed to be a way to loose the rack for small gigs, and I still keep alt presets set up when I don't want to drag out the FV-1... but I never use them. I know, NI's guitar rig.... Give me some time, I'm just now awaking to the wonders of Laptop looping. Man did I have an amazing night with Mobius last night. Mark > (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most > of the stomp box effects > on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and > distortion models on the > front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid > range honk than the > original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't > rattle my cage, and a > rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the > octavia octave, and ring > modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, > until a week ago, to > pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal > board, and stick it in > the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of > the chain). Well last > week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour > Duncan, and I am just dumb > struck at how good this thing sounds driving the > front end of the tonelab. > Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high > plate voltage, it adds > tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two > channels of anything > from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to > very saturated, yet smooth > and singing overdrive, all with great touch > sensitivity. I just submitted a > review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly > gushed about how good it > sounds. Since I like many of the delay and > modulation presets on the tone > lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was > just searching for a > more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the > tweed, black face, early > marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does > this puppy fit the > bill. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > --- William Walker wrote: > > > Mark has a point, > > I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > > > > Do take > > note that the vox people did not see fit to model > a > > transistor amp, not jazz > > chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind > set > > maybe the vox ain't for > > you. > > Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good > JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... > I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key > was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab > modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results > when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know > Kris > has a couple of) > > I have to say that as much as I like some of the > stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the > studio > I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are > really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab > sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. > Also I found they're one of the best processor out > there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds > (though not for guitar) > > Mark > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 19:44:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16893BED0; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yal46ASmUPJ6g7BvAUGkH6wVvyOTUD9SOgccUTMmg9mn/peUhSwVxIncf3deQLfSs9PvOsLXn0rw89XsjNP3Je9SWtINgNn3SE8YMebIHV66a7X6chwWqNBwJcqZc2j2lJ/c0jQbVVwoANn8gIY7znAORto+jD42SRZScemUGFY= ; Message-ID: <20060624194412.52655.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:44:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: Dumb question again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060624095740.01a918f0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:44:20 +0000 (UTC) True, I'd forgotten about that limitation. Still, I always seemed to get a lot of mileage out of it. I was more concerned about it's mono nature but I hear there's some sort of upgrade from Bob that allows stereo loops. Never got to that. Mark --- a k butler wrote: > At 23:24 23/06/2006, you wrote: > > > looping etc for my current needs. Just simple > > > looping and a relatively > > > easy way to switch from Loop A to B, maybe to C > and > > > back and forth. > > > >Lexicon JamMan is really well set up for that type > of > >looping. > > if you're midi synced it is > ....otherwise the fact that all the loops have the > same length > as the first makes the ABC thing very impractical > > andy > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 19:56:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C79B3BED3; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VGGdthhkxu5EUvgGe+0OeFzrb5XkYUgni3xJZmBDHuEt0qstWarldIqoD7KrQCUKhQra2mdSymEXIP3+GbHOjud5OJoZw3u7o+8iBpVlBHiWCNS1OLkZGSvFgKLcmUa540g9zoLaNg+EzUXq+uTs2rAYN8X4bWgX+rlNVygV0Tk= ; Message-ID: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d901c6973c$2795abb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:56:25 +0000 (UTC) OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and Sooperlooper unsuccessfully. Not sure why, probably under powered in the computer dept. Well last week my Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on my doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS fucking left it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt to leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up at UPS!) It's a nice little laptop and Toshiba direct had a great deal going so it ended up being a little more costly than a Macbook, but I got a bigger screen and more memory and a nicer video card. Also, it's blue. For the first week I just played around with softsynths. Man I love some of the instruments that come with Reaktor 5. Anyone make a good Reaktor based looper? But the real win was last night when I started up Mobius. (M-Audio Firewire Solo and a MOTU Fastlane MIDI USB) After a little futz'n getting the right audio card settings, the application worked like a dream. 8 stereo tracks of sweet loops. Must be very mindful of levels, but over all I had an amazing time and I never looked at the manual at all. Very nicely laid out especially if you're someone who's used an EDP. It latched on to my clock coming from a Mac desktop running Digital Performer and aside from one glitch (ending an overdub caused it to loose sync. I couldn't replicate it though) it all worked perfectly. My next project is to get it to work with "or" tracks instead of "and" tracks as seems to be it's default. Now I see what Per's been talking about. The possibilites.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 20:22:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7E43BED5; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:22:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00d901c6973c$2795abb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to promise fro two reasons, 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, a favorite of cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all these years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on these things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors. Go figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a nice warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker I managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1 amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after I added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later I switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to tube combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the looping thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern peers, but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with a good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find a used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker configuration, I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. Cheers Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing little boxes. Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were making a fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some amazing jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man. Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the board. The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot for selling that years ago. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab > (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box > effects > on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the > front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the > original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a > rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring > modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to > pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in > the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last > week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb > struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab. > Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it > adds > tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything > from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet > smooth > and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted > a > review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it > sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone > lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for a > more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early > marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the > bill. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > --- William Walker wrote: > >> Mark has a point, > > I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > > >> Do take >> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a >> transistor amp, not jazz >> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set >> maybe the vox ain't for >> you. > > Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good > JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... > I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key > was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab > modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results > when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris > has a couple of) > > I have to say that as much as I like some of the > stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio > I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are > really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab > sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. > Also I found they're one of the best processor out > there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds > (though not for guitar) > > Mark > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 20:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E05E3BED0; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:45:38 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: JAzz Chorus - was: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp To: Message-id: <000601c697cf$283dc8c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Yes. The distortion on the Jazz Chorus is strange. It's all flabby and rubbery. It's not a classic sound at all. And has little recommend it. It's not the kind of thing people ever use really. Therefore I like recording it. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to promise > fro two reasons, > 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile > sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, a favorite of > cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. > As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a > fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound > flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a > problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all these > years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on these > things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can > sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors. Go > figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a nice > warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker I > managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1 > amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after I > added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later I > switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally > abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to tube > combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the looping > thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and > certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern peers, > but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels > better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with a > good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the > Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want > something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find a > used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on > EBAY > http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 > 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker configuration, > I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging > middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every > time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the > tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. > Cheers > Bill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing > little boxes. > > Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were making a > fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some amazing > jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. > Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all > calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state > Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man. > Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at > times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the board. > The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. > > ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot > for selling that years ago. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab > > (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box > > effects > > on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the > > front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the > > original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a > > rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring > > modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to > > pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in > > the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last > > week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb > > struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab. > > Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it > > adds > > tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything > > from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet > > smooth > > and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted > > a > > review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it > > sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone > > lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for a > > more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early > > marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the > > bill. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > > > --- William Walker wrote: > > > >> Mark has a point, > > > > I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > > > > > >> Do take > >> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a > >> transistor amp, not jazz > >> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set > >> maybe the vox ain't for > >> you. > > > > Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good > > JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... > > I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key > > was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab > > modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results > > when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris > > has a couple of) > > > > I have to say that as much as I like some of the > > stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio > > I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are > > really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab > > sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. > > Also I found they're one of the best processor out > > there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds > > (though not for guitar) > > > > Mark > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 20:49:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC48B3BEDE; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oTf2558pYtPps4ZlpQYAHoUZktQNW+6wkqNFJiJVKeU3Ym0ZsJT9x+dFNyI7CBgJpkW0bPSYdi+djUtVbZ6K/hEKIWJR12EljF5JRhW9wwslmZqEOLfBQrArk5GTpid6UnayRbgHDfVXWYDYd33Rg1OI53e4kBhYTneugX6IqG0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9DAB50EE-AC4E-42F2-A0A3-2174641E1525@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:49:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) On 24 jun 2006, at 21.56, mark sottilaro wrote: > It's a nice little laptop and Toshiba direct had a > great deal going so it ended up being a little more > costly than a Macbook, but I got a bigger screen and > more memory and a nicer video card. Also, it's blue. Business Blue! Not bad. My pc laptop is named ZEPTO, colored in grey and ugly as hell. I'm punking it up with trashy gaffa tape and an iPod sticker from Apple ;-) > Anyone make a good Reaktor based > looper? Yes, I know someone has been working on that. Was it Andreas Wetterberg? > But the real win was last night when I started up > Mobius. Just wait until you check out some cool scripts for Mobius - a mindblowing "effect box". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 21:04:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EB533BEDE; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <449DA8F4.8050901@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:04:52 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 References: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:04:55 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and > Sooperlooper unsuccessfully. Not sure why, probably > under powered in the computer dept. Well last week my > Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on my > doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS fucking left > it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt to > leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up at > UPS!) (immorality alert..) Well then you never received it! Call the computer company! "Where's my 2ghzDual!?" I'm sorry, but delivery people need to be taught an effin' lesson sometimes... Besides, if the computer company don't get a signature on their track-n-trace they'll probably claim it themselves. ;) > For the first week I just played around with > softsynths. Man I love some of the instruments that > come with Reaktor 5. Anyone make a good Reaktor based > looper? I've made a tiny little looping module for reaktor - it can do stuttering loop mult/div, overdubs, replace, sync and even do feedback percentages above 100, to bring up old noises from your loop, plus you can easily insert effects in the feedback chain for more craziness. I keep meaning to touch it up and share it, but... yeah.. don't seem to get around to it. Bug me by sending me enough emails, I guess. I'm getting a dual 2ghz with 2gigs of ram on tuesday... can't wait! Andreas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 21:10:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7713BEE2; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <449DAAE0.60503@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:13:04 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 References: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, happy to know you've made the same step I did. I was starting to feel the time was coming exactly when seeing all the rumbling ideas coming around those sw loopers. My set up is transforming itself from an eight rack space to a 4 rack space and I'm only gaining power and flexibility. One of the main things I have always being considering is the capability of the user interface: I feel that having the deepest visual control over what's happening to my audio signal is a descriminating fact, capable of letting me play or forcing me to a position of control, this last option being the worst situation I love. So, happy to know you're enjoyng Mobius, I've never seen such a will to develop an already excellent tool as I'm experiencing within its growing community. my best, Luca mark sottilaro wrote: >OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and >Sooperlooper unsuccessfully. Not sure why, probably >under powered in the computer dept. Well last week my >Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on my >doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS fucking left >it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt to >leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up at >UPS!) > >It's a nice little laptop and Toshiba direct had a >great deal going so it ended up being a little more >costly than a Macbook, but I got a bigger screen and >more memory and a nicer video card. Also, it's blue. > >For the first week I just played around with >softsynths. Man I love some of the instruments that >come with Reaktor 5. Anyone make a good Reaktor based >looper? > >But the real win was last night when I started up >Mobius. (M-Audio Firewire Solo and a MOTU Fastlane >MIDI USB) After a little futz'n getting the right >audio card settings, the application worked like a >dream. 8 stereo tracks of sweet loops. Must be very >mindful of levels, but over all I had an amazing time >and I never looked at the manual at all. Very nicely >laid out especially if you're someone who's used an >EDP. It latched on to my clock coming from a Mac >desktop running Digital Performer and aside from one >glitch (ending an overdub caused it to loose sync. I >couldn't replicate it though) it all worked perfectly. > My next project is to get it to work with "or" tracks >instead of "and" tracks as seems to be it's default. >Now I see what Per's been talking about. The possibilites.... > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 21:15:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B03F3BEDF; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: JAzz Chorus - was: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601c697cf$283dc8c0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:15:46 +0000 (UTC) One mans poison is another mans pudding. Bill -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: JAzz Chorus - was: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Yes. The distortion on the Jazz Chorus is strange. It's all flabby and rubbery. It's not a classic sound at all. And has little recommend it. It's not the kind of thing people ever use really. Therefore I like recording it. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to promise > fro two reasons, > 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile > sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, a favorite of > cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. > As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a > fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound > flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a > problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all these > years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on these > things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can > sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors. Go > figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a nice > warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker I > managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1 > amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after I > added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later I > switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally > abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to tube > combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the looping > thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and > certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern peers, > but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels > better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with a > good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the > Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want > something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find a > used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on > EBAY > http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 > 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker configuration, > I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging > middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every > time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the > tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. > Cheers > Bill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing > little boxes. > > Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were making a > fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some amazing > jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. > Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all > calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state > Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man. > Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at > times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the board. > The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. > > ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot > for selling that years ago. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab > > (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box > > effects > > on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the > > front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the > > original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a > > rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring > > modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to > > pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in > > the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last > > week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb > > struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab. > > Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it > > adds > > tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything > > from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet > > smooth > > and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted > > a > > review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it > > sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone > > lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for a > > more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early > > marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the > > bill. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > > > > --- William Walker wrote: > > > >> Mark has a point, > > > > I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! > > > > > >> Do take > >> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a > >> transistor amp, not jazz > >> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set > >> maybe the vox ain't for > >> you. > > > > Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good > > JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... > > I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key > > was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab > > modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results > > when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris > > has a couple of) > > > > I have to say that as much as I like some of the > > stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio > > I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are > > really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab > > sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. > > Also I found they're one of the best processor out > > there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds > > (though not for guitar) > > > > Mark > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 21:34:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119BD3BEF0; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026c01c697d5$eb0e9ef0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060624192937.39573.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Tonelab JC-120 emulation Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:34:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Mark, I think I'll try out yoru VF1 settings two on one of mine..you have two too? They look nice side by side, don't they... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: ; Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: OT: Tonelab JC-120 emulation > --- William Walker wrote: > >> Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 >> thingy on the tonelab > > Here's my settings. Of course with a different > guitar/pa setup your mileage will vary. > > First I start with the Boutique Clean amp model > gain: 2.3 > vr gain 7.8 > treb 2.4 > mid 7.2 > bass 10 > TURN OFF THE CAB models. This is the key I think. > > Wait, you're asking, where's the chorus? Good > question. While the Tonelab's effects are good, since > I'm always slaved to a MIDI clock I like my presets > set up to follow them too. For that I love the VF-1. > So much so I bought two! > > Here's how that's set up: > I started off with a patch called "3D CHORUS" it's > basically a 4 band EQ that I turn off and roland's > nice stereo chours that I love so much. > Polarity: Invert > rate BPM/whole note > depth 80 > predelay 10ms > low cut: flat > high cut: flat > effect level 100% > > then I make sure the master bpm is set for MIDI and > viola, it syncs up all nice. Would it stand up next > to the real thing? I don't know but I love the sound > anyway and I haven't owned a JC-120 since the mid 80s. > Basically I wish someone would make an amp modeler > that would have everything synced like I like it, but > it seems no one is/will. The Vox was supposed to be a > way to loose the rack for small gigs, and I still keep > alt presets set up when I don't want to drag out the > FV-1... but I never use them. I know, NI's guitar > rig.... Give me some time, I'm just now awaking to the > wonders of Laptop looping. Man did I have an amazing > night with Mobius last night. > > Mark > > >> (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most >> of the stomp box effects >> on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and >> distortion models on the >> front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid >> range honk than the >> original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't >> rattle my cage, and a >> rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the >> octavia octave, and ring >> modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, >> until a week ago, to >> pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal >> board, and stick it in >> the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of >> the chain). Well last >> week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour >> Duncan, and I am just dumb >> struck at how good this thing sounds driving the >> front end of the tonelab. >> Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high >> plate voltage, it adds >> tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two >> channels of anything >> from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to >> very saturated, yet smooth >> and singing overdrive, all with great touch >> sensitivity. I just submitted a >> review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly >> gushed about how good it >> sounds. Since I like many of the delay and >> modulation presets on the tone >> lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was >> just searching for a >> more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the >> tweed, black face, early >> marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does >> this puppy fit the >> bill. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark sottilaro >> [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >> >> >> --- William Walker wrote: >> >> > Mark has a point, >> >> I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! >> >> >> > Do take >> > note that the vox people did not see fit to model >> a >> > transistor amp, not jazz >> > chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind >> set >> > maybe the vox ain't for >> > you. >> >> Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good >> JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... >> I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key >> was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab >> modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results >> when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know >> Kris >> has a couple of) >> >> I have to say that as much as I like some of the >> stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the >> studio >> I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are >> really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab >> sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. >> Also I found they're one of the best processor out >> there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds >> (though not for guitar) >> >> Mark >> >> Mark >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 21:37:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DEB03BEDE; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027b01c697d6$59780070$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060624195622.57400.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:37:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:37:12 +0000 (UTC) > Anyone make a good Reaktor based looper? This probably doesn't count, bu I basically run all the Reaktor VSTs in my VST host Chainer, along with Mobius as the second to the last VST in the Chain (reverb VST is the last). I loop Metaphysical and Krypt sounds all of the time....very nice to have in my system. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 21:45:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C5DD3BED8; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029901c697d7$726bad60$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:45:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_LysU.A.CuE.gJbnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:45:04 +0000 (UTC) You crammed an EV in a Polytone? Impressive. I should have tried that with my Teeny Brute...I did notice those Polyetone speakers are quite odd, which tiny cones. I'm wondering if they special made them that way as a part of their sound, etc. They are quite amazing for solid state amps. I think part of the reason is that they are crammed full of padding inside and they are sealed. That seems to mellow out the tone a bit...show knows...I just wish I had mine back. Actually, they are still making the smaller version of the JC-120, which is the JC-90: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=250&ParentId=57 It is stereo as well. I thought the JC77 was mono. I used to have the JC-90. It was a lot easier to pack around, but I found the it to be too mid rangy and nasely for my taste. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to promise > fro two reasons, > 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile > sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, a favorite > of > cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. > As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a > fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound > flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a > problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all > these > years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on > these > things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can > sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors. > Go > figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a > nice > warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker I > managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1 > amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after I > added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later > I > switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally > abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to > tube > combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the looping > thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and > certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern > peers, > but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels > better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with > a > good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the > Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want > something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find a > used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on > EBAY > http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 > 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker configuration, > I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging > middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every > time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the > tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. > Cheers > Bill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > > Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing > little boxes. > > Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you were making a > fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some > amazing > jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. > Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all > calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state > Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man. > Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at > times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the board. > The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. > > ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot > for selling that years ago. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Walker" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp > > >> Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the >> tonelab >> (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box >> effects >> on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the >> front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the >> original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a >> rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring >> modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to >> pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in >> the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last >> week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb >> struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the >> tonelab. >> Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it >> adds >> tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything >> from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet >> smooth >> and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted >> a >> review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good >> it >> sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone >> lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching for a >> more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, >> early >> marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the >> bill. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp >> >> >> --- William Walker wrote: >> >>> Mark has a point, >> >> I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! >> >> >>> Do take >>> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a >>> transistor amp, not jazz >>> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set >>> maybe the vox ain't for >>> you. >> >> Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good >> JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... >> I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key >> was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab >> modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results >> when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris >> has a couple of) >> >> I have to say that as much as I like some of the >> stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio >> I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are >> really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab >> sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. >> Also I found they're one of the best processor out >> there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds >> (though not for guitar) >> >> Mark >> >> Mark >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 23:57:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CC5C3BEC5; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.50.190] Message-ID: <449DD15F.60306@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:57:19 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp References: <029901c697d7$726bad60$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <029901c697d7$726bad60$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <5i015D.A.EmB.mFdnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:57:27 +0000 (UTC) As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played through the Crate V-Series amps?  I know, I know.  Crate?  Really?  Yep.  I've always hated Crate gear in general, but I tell you, I'm playing the V32, and it has the sweetest tone of any amp I've owned.  The clean rivals any Fender I've heard, the spring reverb may even be a little more lush, and the drive is something like a Marshall, but warmer.  And for the price, there seriously isn't anything that sounds better IMHO.  A buddy of mine plays a 30-watt Orange that cost him over 3 times what I paid, and sound guys always like my tone better.

I hear their little 15 watt-ers sound pretty incredible too if you're looking for something lightweight.

--Josh



Krispen Hartung wrote:
You crammed an EV in a Polytone? Impressive. I should have tried that with my Teeny Brute...I did notice those Polyetone speakers are quite odd, which tiny cones. I'm wondering if they special made them that way as a part of their sound, etc. They are quite amazing for solid state amps. I think part of the reason is that they are crammed full of padding inside and they are sealed. That seems to mellow out the tone a bit...show knows...I just wish I had mine back.

Actually, they are still making the smaller version of the JC-120, which is the JC-90:

http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=250&ParentId=57

It is stereo as well. I thought the JC77 was mono.  I used to have the JC-90. It was  a lot easier to pack around, but I found the it to be too mid rangy and nasely for my taste.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to promise
fro two reasons,
1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile
sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is  very dependable and loud, a favorite of
cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands.
As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a
fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound
flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a
problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all these
years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on these
things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can
sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors. Go
figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a nice
warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker I
managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1
amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after I
added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later I
switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally
abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to tube
combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the looping
thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and
certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern peers,
but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels
better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with a
good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the
Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want
something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find a
used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on
EBAY
http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1
40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker configuration,
I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging
middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every
time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the
tens give, they just seem punchier to me..
Cheers
Bill






-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :)   They are amazing
little boxes.

Bill, what's wrong with the JC120?  I can't tell whether you were making a
fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some amazing
jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps.
Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all
calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state
Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man.
Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at
times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the board.
The breadth of taste is pretty amazing.

...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot
for selling that years ago.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab
(and why???? in gods name) and  Actually like most of the stomp box
effects
on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the
front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the
original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a
rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring
modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to
pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in
the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last
week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb
struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab.
Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it
adds
tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything
from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet
smooth
and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted
a
review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it
sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone
lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy,  I was just searching for a
more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early
marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the
bill.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


--- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

Mark has a point,

I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style!


Do take
note that the vox people did not see fit to model a
transistor amp, not jazz
chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set
maybe the vox ain't for
you.

Wait!  There's MORE!  I did find a way to get a good
JC120 sound out of the Tonelab!  I forget how now...
I'll check tonight and let you know.  I know the key
was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab
modeling stage.  Also, I found I got better results
when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris
has a couple of)

I have to say that as much as I like some of the
stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio
I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are
really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab
sadly isn't)  Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad.
Also I found they're one of the best processor out
there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds
(though not for guitar)

Mark

Mark

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jun 24 23:59:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 486BB3BED8; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.50.190] Message-ID: <449DD1F1.7040606@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:59:45 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp References: <029901c697d7$726bad60$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <449DD15F.60306@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <449DD15F.60306@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah, I might add that I can't get anywhere near the sound of the Boogie Mark I when it comes to heavy, rock sounds just in the amp, but I have an old RAT pedal from my dad's rig that sound like a dream through it.

--Josh



Joshua Carroll wrote:
As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played through the Crate V-Series amps?  I know, I know.  Crate?  Really?  Yep.  I've always hated Crate gear in general, but I tell you, I'm playing the V32, and it has the sweetest tone of any amp I've owned.  The clean rivals any Fender I've heard, the spring reverb may even be a little more lush, and the drive is something like a Marshall, but warmer.  And for the price, there seriously isn't anything that sounds better IMHO.  A buddy of mine plays a 30-watt Orange that cost him over 3 times what I paid, and sound guys always like my tone better.

I hear their little 15 watt-ers sound pretty incredible too if you're looking for something lightweight.

--Josh



Krispen Hartung wrote:
You crammed an EV in a Polytone? Impressive. I should have tried that with my Teeny Brute...I did notice those Polyetone speakers are quite odd, which tiny cones. I'm wondering if they special made them that way as a part of their sound, etc. They are quite amazing for solid state amps. I think part of the reason is that they are crammed full of padding inside and they are sealed. That seems to mellow out the tone a bit...show knows...I just wish I had mine back.

Actually, they are still making the smaller version of the JC-120, which is the JC-90:

http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=250&ParentId=57

It is stereo as well. I thought the JC77 was mono.  I used to have the JC-90. It was  a lot easier to pack around, but I found the it to be too mid rangy and nasely for my taste.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to promise
fro two reasons,
1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile
sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is  very dependable and loud, a favorite of
cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands.
As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a
fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound
flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a
problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all these
years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on these
things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can
sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors. Go
figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a nice
warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker I
managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1
amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after I
added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later I
switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally
abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to tube
combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the looping
thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and
certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern peers,
but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels
better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with a
good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the
Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want
something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find a
used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on
EBAY
http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1
40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker configuration,
I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging
middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every
time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the
tens give, they just seem punchier to me..
Cheers
Bill






-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :)   They are amazing
little boxes.

Bill, what's wrong with the JC120?  I can't tell whether you were making a
fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some amazing
jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps.
Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all
calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state
Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man.
Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at
times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the board.
The breadth of taste is pretty amazing.

...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot
for selling that years ago.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the tonelab
(and why???? in gods name) and  Actually like most of the stomp box
effects
on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the
front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the
original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and a
rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring
modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to
pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it in
the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well last
week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just dumb
struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the tonelab.
Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it
adds
tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of anything
from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet
smooth
and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just submitted
a
review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good it
sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the tone
lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy,  I was just searching for a
more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face, early
marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the
bill.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


--- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

Mark has a point,

I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style!


Do take
note that the vox people did not see fit to model a
transistor amp, not jazz
chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set
maybe the vox ain't for
you.

Wait!  There's MORE!  I did find a way to get a good
JC120 sound out of the Tonelab!  I forget how now...
I'll check tonight and let you know.  I know the key
was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab
modeling stage.  Also, I found I got better results
when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris
has a couple of)

I have to say that as much as I like some of the
stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio
I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are
really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab
sadly isn't)  Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad.
Also I found they're one of the best processor out
there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds
(though not for guitar)

Mark

Mark

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 01:42:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85A23BED2; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KMAPoVacNEpvyXV5+J+EEpNapmXdU60n5C6SPT4cIvWZ7k9SCpVPGPx2AHL3dgbp; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MIMEOLE:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: RE: fernandes guitars? Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:42:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060624100046.01bc36b0@tiscali.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaX9peRGrcXj+yNRaWv/2M9GoqOnAAAVJyQ Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcdb51a06a2488cd05c16475d12c217107350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.34.63.231 Resent-Message-ID: <8uK6I.A.iaE.OoenEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, I play a Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer and I've not experienced any noticeable drain on it. As a matter-of-fact, the current Duracell 9V I have in it, I've been sustaining and looping with for longer than two months and it's still pretty strong. I usually practice or play something each day, too. I don't use the sustainer every day, though... Have you checked the internal wiring for any shorts or damage? Best of Luck! Ed in NJ http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 02:09:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A7D83BED0; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5zRcwX7NHWYSCXZ0hiLleRNedCbF2KPAjve7rVK2f2pUU0ERVxzB3slShdje9JjNdFt5NDhWjbC9aRhB9fI65iaoRf+lEbVJowot56pkMBGn/2FYD29HfdClCM6LAWAdDl7g1PmgVQv2G72tYadEijj4YhL47DOth09Cc+PRXwc= ; Message-ID: <20060625020907.92978.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:09:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: amp talk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <449DD1F1.7040606@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Id like to jump on the groove of this thread now brothers,i just had a gig with an amp named "Koch" all i can tell you is that i am floored by the sound of this beauties the do "cook" like their name!i borrowed it from a guitarrist friend of my bass player,he has the multitone 50 watt head combined with the TS212H speaker cabinet i am telling you this combination its absolutely beautiful!it is compact(you also have the combo option but is more of a back breaker),powerful,looks good and the most versatile amp i know out there with 3 channels plus great reverb.It compresses beautiful and the dirty channels are nothing but great you can get any sound from the old cats weather is jazz or rock with this amp plus the reverb has the authentic ennio marricone 60´s surf sound.The minute i plugged in i heard the sounds ive been trying to get from long time and now i realize it was due to the amps ive used in the past,although i have a good les paul,tele and strat.I am afraid for me is going to get harder and harder to play with digital simulators now,the dutch got it right check them out! http://www.koch-amps.com/ Luis Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. Ibelieve the JC120 came to promise fro two reasons, 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives itssterile sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, afavorite of cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make itsound flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after allthese years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound onthese things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tincan sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signalprocessors. Go figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was anice warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVMspeaker I managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a PearceG1 amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soonafter I added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,andlater I switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. Ifinally abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back totube combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing thelooping thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modernpeers, but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and itfeels better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimickedwith a good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar tothe Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try tofind a used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a linkon EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speakerconfiguration, I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a herniaevery time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass responsethe tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. Cheers Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing little boxes. Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you weremaking a fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Someamazing jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers ofall calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and MusicMan. Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogetherat times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into theboard. The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such anidiot for selling that years ago. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Well Mark I'd be curious as to how youdidthe JC120 thingy on the tonelab (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box effects on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, anda rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick itin the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Welllast week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am justdumb struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of thetonelab. Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it adds tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels ofanything from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet smooth and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I justsubmitted a review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how goodit sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on thetone lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching fora more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face,early marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the bill. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp --- William Walker wrote: Mark has a point, I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! Do take note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not jazz chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for you. Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris has a couple of) I have to say that as much as I like some of the stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. Also I found they're one of the best processor out there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds (though not for guitar) Mark Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 03:02:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 079CD3BED0; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BCDcryuyJZ6L6+Zeqoxiy9UxchFyy/ZwbxQdyKJHfQ1j+PaY4drn5GUdaBGylLvDOmmZNFYlQc8liBpa0HDwxh7XnnQKTFQRiJTsOm5tIvFpwSxd4ANAYHMimjN67usAYbb55f1zzoTQT48+288D+w/lx8HAo/Qn8fnWvjCIQSg= ; Message-ID: <20060625030209.55859.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Crate (was Mesa Boogie) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <449DD15F.60306@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1688332742-1151204529=:53514" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:02:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1688332742-1151204529=:53514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm wondering if anybody here has tried out the Crate Powerblock amp? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crate-CPB150-PowerBlock-Stereo-Guitar-Amp?sku=487829 I haven't tried one myself but I'm wondering if I'm already fighting a bit of a battle tone-wise since I'm a bassist. I'm sure I'd need to use my ART pre-amp when was using it with my double bass but hopefully it wouldn't be a problem with my electric's (active emg's in both). ted harms. Joshua Carroll wrote: As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played through the Crate V-Series amps? I know, I know. Crate? Really? Yep... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come. --0-1688332742-1151204529=:53514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm wondering if anybody here has tried out the Crate Powerblock amp?
 
 
I haven't tried one myself but I'm wondering if I'm already fighting a bit of a battle tone-wise since I'm a bassist.  I'm sure I'd need to use my ART pre-amp when was using it with my double bass but hopefully it wouldn't be a problem with my electric's (active emg's in both).
 
 
ted harms.

Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played through the Crate V-Series amps?  I know, I know.  Crate?  Really?  Yep...

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Plus there’s much more to come. --0-1688332742-1151204529=:53514-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 03:07:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81B7A3BEDE; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:07:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:07:56 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to invest in only one of these, which would give me the most tone mangling / effect goodies for the buck? The Fireworx appears to have a lot of different types of effects, more than the other two from what I can tell, but I'd like to hear from some of you who own these units. I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay, reverb, pitch, and chorus/modulation effects, but also ring mod, hopefully some quasi-synth guitar like effects, Filter, and whatever else it can muster. I've heard some really ethereal and rich pad-like sounds from the Eventides, which I really like, so that is a must. Why you ask? Now that my laptop system is complete and serving me well, I'm building a botique, yet simple rack system on the side...Looperlative, two VF1s', and whatever I decide from the above five units. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 03:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9AA83BEDE; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tJca/53KgT5Ie38v05BRtyasHhG0+7XL3KWvAs0MVLMEtnNAy9o3E2sQ64lhL4y+iRtB7O0SQZGFyhAlkxGrl3bGwzBK6mD/abhcyL+6e6FJe+CPRcN32jE42H9kAxq5XXVv9P36ydhgI2OaO+2FNK9WeCmc+lPrVYNcpu1d/6o= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:19:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mobius part 2 Thread-Index: AcaYBhqXWPACdgP5EduKegAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <449DA8F4.8050901@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Dear mark, Per, Andreas... THAT DOES IT! I have to now go out and buy my first ever PC in order to ru= n Mobius. This is gonna drive me crazy if I don't. What is the most affordable, small and powerful enough PC laptop I can buy to augment my 17 inch powerbook, operating with a Traveler? Any hints?? Since I don't know windows architecture or assemblage whatsoever, I'd love = a hint or two should you all be willing... All best, Todd On 6/24/06 2:04 PM, "Andreas Wetterberg" wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: >> OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and >> Sooperlooper unsuccessfully. Not sure why, probably >> under powered in the computer dept. Well last week my >> Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on my >> doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS fucking left >> it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt to >> leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up at >> UPS!) >=20 > (immorality alert..) > Well then you never received it! Call the computer company! "Where's my > 2ghzDual!?" I'm sorry, but delivery people need to be taught an effin' > lesson sometimes... Besides, if the computer company don't get a > signature on their track-n-trace they'll probably claim it themselves. > ;) >=20 >> For the first week I just played around with >> softsynths. Man I love some of the instruments that >> come with Reaktor 5. Anyone make a good Reaktor based >> looper? >=20 > I've made a tiny little looping module for reaktor - it can do > stuttering loop mult/div, overdubs, replace, sync and even do feedback > percentages above 100, to bring up old noises from your loop, plus you > can easily insert effects in the feedback chain for more craziness. I > keep meaning to touch it up and share it, but... yeah.. don't seem to > get around to it. Bug me by sending me enough emails, I guess. >=20 > I'm getting a dual 2ghz with 2gigs of ram on tuesday... can't wait! >=20 > Andreas. >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 03:39:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6BD3BEE1; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <535.c061c8.31cc9f60@aol.com> References: <535.c061c8.31cc9f60@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1047024911 Message-Id: From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:32:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 66.248.87.128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:39:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1047024911 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'd double check to make sure you've cleared all the CC data out of=20 those patch changes. I was having the same problem and even though I=20 didn't program the CC data in at the time (I think it was leftover from=20= a previous configuration - I change my set-up way too frequently) it=20 was still there. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jun 22, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > =A0=A0 I am having issues with my All Access/Echoplex/set up and I am=20= > hoping someone on the list may be able to help me.=A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0 Echoplex is set to receive control changes on Midi = Channel 2. > =A0=A0=A0=A0 The instant access switches work great, and all the = programming=20 > works out (momentary switches etc.) > =A0=A0=A0=A0 However, sometimes when I select a patch change (sent on = midi=20 > channel 1 to the Prophesy) the Echoplex responds as if I hit the=20 > record button, or a series of parameter editing buttons.=A0 The = prophesy=20 > still changes patches, of course.=A0 > =A0=A0=A0=A0 As the Echoplex is set to Midi Channel 2, and the patch = changes=20 > are being sent on Midi channel 1 I, in my ignorance, can't figure out=20= > how to remedy this.=A0 Any help would be appreciated.=A0 > Thanks in advance. > Donovan Stokes > --Apple-Mail-1--1047024911 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd double check to make sure you've cleared all the CC data out of those patch changes. I was having the same problem and even though I didn't program the CC data in at the time (I think it was leftover from a previous configuration - I change my set-up way too frequently) it was still there. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jun 22, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: GenevaHello, = Geneva =A0=A0 I am having issues = with my All Access/Echoplex/set up and I am hoping someone on the list may be able to help me.=A0 Geneva =A0=A0=A0=A0 Echoplex is set = to receive control changes on Midi Channel 2. Geneva =A0=A0=A0=A0 The instant = access switches work great, and all the programming works out (momentary switches etc.) Geneva =A0=A0=A0=A0 However, = sometimes when I select a patch change (sent on midi channel 1 to the Prophesy) the Echoplex responds as if I hit the record button, or a series of parameter editing buttons.=A0 The prophesy still changes patches, of course.=A0 Geneva =A0=A0=A0=A0 As the Echoplex = is set to Midi Channel 2, and the patch changes are being sent on Midi channel 1 I, in my ignorance, can't figure out how to remedy this.=A0 Any help would be appreciated.=A0 Geneva Thanks in advance. = Geneva Donovan = Stokes = --Apple-Mail-1--1047024911-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 03:43:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DF2B3BEE6; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <506.142e944.31ccb27b@aol.com> References: <506.142e944.31ccb27b@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1046753939 Message-Id: From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:37:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.128 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:43:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1046753939 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Oh. You are banking up and down when this happens? Make sure you have=20= "Bank Style" set to "None". I think the default is "First" which will=20= send the MIDI data of the first patch in the new bank. Page 14 in the=20= manual has more info. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jun 22, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: > I should clarify that I am in Bank using first 5 switches as bank and=20= > the top 10 as instant access switches.=A0 Problem occurs when = selecting=20 > a patch change using the bank buttons.=A0 > Thanks again, > Donovan= --Apple-Mail-2--1046753939 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh. You are banking up and down when this happens? Make sure you have "Bank Style" set to "None". I think the default is "First" which will send the MIDI data of the first patch in the new bank. Page 14 in the manual has more info. Matt --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jun 22, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: GenevaI should clarify that I am in Bank using first 5 switches as bank and the top 10 as instant access switches.=A0 Problem occurs when selecting a patch change using the bank buttons.=A0 Geneva Thanks = again, Geneva = Donovan= --Apple-Mail-2--1046753939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 03:51:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3422A3BED0; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.50.190] Message-ID: <449E0821.8060607@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:50:57 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Crate (was Mesa Boogie) References: <20060625030209.55859.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060625030209.55859.qmail@web34310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:51:04 +0000 (UTC) I know a guy who has the Powerblock, and I wasn't too impressed.  It just sounds blatantly solid-state.  But with an ART pre-amp, who knows?

--Josh



ditch wrestler wrote:
I'm wondering if anybody here has tried out the Crate Powerblock amp?
 
 
I haven't tried one myself but I'm wondering if I'm already fighting a bit of a battle tone-wise since I'm a bassist.  I'm sure I'd need to use my ART pre-amp when was using it with my double bass but hopefully it wouldn't be a problem with my electric's (active emg's in both).
 
 
ted harms.

Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played through the Crate V-Series amps?  I know, I know.  Crate?  Really?  Yep...

Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come.
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 03:56:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FDA3BED3; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.50.190] Message-ID: <449E0961.2040607@infinivert.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:56:17 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:56:24 +0000 (UTC) I've got an Acer Aspire that I love!  Granted, I'm just getting into the looping game, but for the video, etc. that I've played with on it, I've been very happy with the performance.  If you get one, you'll probably want to reinstall Windows to change from FAT32 to NTFS and leave out a bunch of the Acer bundled software.  You might also want to partition it differently than 50/50.  But for the money, IMHO, it's a great machine.

--Josh



Todd Reynolds wrote: 
Dear mark, Per, Andreas...

THAT DOES IT!  I have to now go out and buy my first ever PC in order to run
Mobius.  This is gonna drive me crazy if I don't.

What is the most affordable, small and powerful enough PC laptop I can buy
to augment my 17 inch powerbook, operating with a Traveler?  Any hints??
Since I don't know windows architecture or assemblage whatsoever, I'd love a
hint or two should you all be willing...

All best,

Todd




On 6/24/06 2:04 PM, "Andreas Wetterberg" <awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk>
wrote:

  
mark sottilaro wrote:
    
OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and
Sooperlooper unsuccessfully.  Not sure why, probably
under powered in the computer dept.  Well last week my
Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on my
doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS fucking left
it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt to
leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up at
UPS!)
      
(immorality alert..)
Well then you never received it! Call the computer company! "Where's my
2ghzDual!?" I'm sorry, but delivery people need to be taught an effin'
lesson sometimes... Besides, if the computer company don't get a
signature on their track-n-trace they'll probably claim it themselves.
;)

    
For the first week I just played around with
softsynths.  Man I love some of the instruments that
come with Reaktor 5.  Anyone make a good Reaktor based
looper?
      
I've made a tiny little looping module for reaktor - it can do
stuttering loop mult/div, overdubs, replace, sync and even do feedback
percentages above 100, to bring up old noises from your loop, plus you
can easily insert effects in the feedback chain for more craziness. I
keep meaning to touch it up and share it, but... yeah.. don't seem to
get around to it. Bug me by sending me enough emails, I guess.

I'm getting a dual 2ghz with 2gigs of ram on tuesday... can't wait!

Andreas.

    

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³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter

³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the
creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman
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Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 04:57:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D7633BEE1; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YrKPuwaB8mmN4+4qRhr/wCzF0kfRkZt8jM9yLDBAjr5wtJI1qABuzzMtViC2TJs6G5F7LuGCq1UuYSPaFYaDOI3/4CTJMlT+i4iHfXID+TcknSUx87MI9AtgfYieW29ta5wY4cBN5tj5N7rZJp7A+TacaDX54kD+5F9fnwXuzwg= Message-ID: <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:57:21 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 In-Reply-To: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:57:23 +0000 (UTC) i've been checking out the G-force and eclipse myself, and from what i've seen the eclipse is far superior to the G-force...to me it seems like the g-force is too "conventional" to make weird noises... I should say that this isn't real-life experiences, but just from research, so that might totally void anything i said :) if you really want to go nuts on your loops, check out the harmonizer H7600. Just read the preset manual http://www.eventide.com/pdfs/h7600pm.pdf and be amazed...maybe once i become president of the US or figure out how to be an heir to donald trump i will buy it ;) Charlie On 6/24/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic > Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to invest in > only one of these, which would give me the most tone mangling / effect > goodies for the buck? The Fireworx appears to have a lot of different types > of effects, more than the other two from what I can tell, but I'd like to > hear from some of you who own these units. > > I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay, > reverb, pitch, and chorus/modulation effects, but also ring mod, hopefully > some quasi-synth guitar like effects, Filter, and whatever else it can > muster. I've heard some really ethereal and rich pad-like sounds from the > Eventides, which I really like, so that is a must. > > Why you ask? Now that my laptop system is complete and serving me well, I'm > building a botique, yet simple rack system on the side...Looperlative, two > VF1s', and whatever I decide from the above five units. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 06:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DDE43BEE4; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060624232811.059fd538@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:30:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Re: Dumb question again In-Reply-To: <20060624194412.52655.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060624095740.01a918f0@tiscali.co.uk> <20060624194412.52655.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:30:13 +0000 (UTC) At 12:44 PM 6/24/2006, mark sottilaro wrote: >True, I'd forgotten about that limitation. Still, I >always seemed to get a lot of mileage out of it. I >was more concerned about it's mono nature but I hear >there's some sort of upgrade from Bob that allows >stereo loops. Never got to that. only the output of the JamMan is stereo with Bob's upgrade. You can do panning effects. The JamMan summed the inputs to mono for the loop, so it is not true stereo no matter what you do. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 06:37:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F6233BEE8; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060624233147.04629548@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:37:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 2880 track questions... In-Reply-To: <20060622211017.39318.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060622211017.39318.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9zzHjD.A.3KF.18inEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:37:41 +0000 (UTC) At 02:10 PM 6/22/2006, mark sottilaro wrote: >Also, will it work similar to a Lexicon JamMan in >terms of setting up "or" tracks instead of "and >tracks" By this I mean set it so that at the end of a >loop it starts recording a new track while muting the >first track giving you the ability to create tracks >that can be toggled between OR combined. I asked about this when I got a demo of the 2880 at NAMM. It only does one 4 track loop. It cannot do multiple A/B/C/etc loops. No switching between different loops for different sections of a song. Same with the memory card. You can only store one loop on the card. (no matter how big the memory card is.) The EH guy doing the demo suggested the only way to do multiple loops is to have several memory cards, and pull one out and put in another when you want to switch to the next loop. In other words, if multiple loops if important to you, the 2880 is probably not your looper. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 08:35:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5F9B3BEE6; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,172,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="528915774:sNHT35494444" In-Reply-To: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1028860468 Message-Id: <8A7D280A-A05F-447D-BAC6-CFB7FAE7FFE5@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:35:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <8T1AhD.A.1Q.GrknEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:35:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--1028860468 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I=92ve owned all of these. Each offers unique pleasures, to be sure, =20 but the serious contenders for max mangling are only the Eventide and =20= the FireworX, and I'd go for the Eventide without hesitating. My takes on each: PCM-81...a big disappointment as a mangler, even with all the add-on =20 preset cards; opaque (but admittedly deep) interface, and really not =20 a multi-effector; it=92s a multi-delay--get the PSP software version =20 and forget this one. G-Force...routing and modulation heaven with a great interface, =20 always have 8 types of effect available in any possible order/config, =20= but effects quite conventional; pitch-shifting nowhere near as cool =20 as the Eventide. With clever, patient programming, it can do some =20 wild morphing stuff because of the deep mod options and many =20 simultaneous fx, not because of having unusual effects. FireworX...should have been a G-Force on steroids, since it=92s packed =20= with odd effects for sonic mayhem, but it's seriously crippled by low =20= horsepower; even tho its got lots of modules to pick from, it=92s =20 impossible to load more than 2 or 3 without maxing the thing out. =20 Same mod power and great interface as the G-F, but what's the point =20 of infinite routing options if you've only got 2-3 effects going?? I =20 sold my G-Force to get one and regretted it immediately. I hated =20 pretty much all the presets and never found anything in it I loved =20 exploring. I'm sure it would repay deep, committed investigation =20 because of the weird effects available, esp. in concert with other =20 devices. Too bad neither tc device will send its ultra mod power to =20 external devices via MIDI control... The Eclipse will only disappoint if you=92re expecting or used to the =20= kind of endless programmability you=92d get with a tc, or DSP-Eventide; =20= it=92s a two slot device with fixed algorithms, but these are rich and =20= complex, covering all the basics in deluxe style, and filtered multi-=20 delays exceptionally well...plus it=92s got that multi-pitch-shifting =20= thing that nothing else can quite duplicate. It sounds so magnificent =20= you=92d never regret having one, unless it only makes you yearn for an =20= H8000. You=92ve already got really cool ring-mod-ing and some rudimentary =20 "synth-fx" with your VF-1s; actually, it seems that low-end hardware =20 is where you=92re most likely to find the richest collection of unique-=20= if-cheesy fx, all of which would benefit enormously from an Eventide =20 fairy-dusting down-stream. You already know my opinion of Reaktor as the weirdest and most =20 endlessly re-thinkable multi-fx to beat, right? Too bad that's not =20 working yet with the Receptor..... Have fun! dc On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC =20 > Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. --Apple-Mail-4--1028860468 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I=92ve owned all of these. Each = offers unique pleasures, to be sure, but the serious contenders for max = mangling are only=A0the Eventide and=A0the FireworX, and I'd go for the = Eventide without hesitating.

My takes on = each:
PCM-81...a big disappointment as a mangler, even with = all the add-on preset cards; opaque (but admittedly deep) interface, and = really not a multi-effector; it=92s a multi-delay--get the=A0PSP = software version and forget this one.

G-Force...routing and = modulation heaven with a great interface, always have 8 types of effect = available in any possible order/config, but effects quite conventional; = pitch-shifting nowhere near as cool as the Eventide. With clever, = patient programming, it can do some wild morphing stuff because of the = deep mod options and many simultaneous fx, not because of having unusual = effects.

FireworX...should have been = a G-Force on steroids, since it=92s packed with odd effects for sonic = mayhem, but it's seriously crippled by low horsepower; even tho its got = lots of modules to pick from, it=92s=A0impossible to load more than 2 or = 3 without maxing the thing out. Same mod power and great interface as = the G-F, but what's the point of infinite routing options if you've only = got 2-3 effects going?? I sold my G-Force to get one and regretted it = immediately. I hated pretty much all the presets and never found = anything in it I loved exploring. I'm sure it would repay deep, = committed investigation because of the weird effects available, esp. in = concert with other devices. Too bad neither tc device will send its = ultra mod power to external devices via MIDI control...

The Eclipse will only = disappoint if you=92re expecting or used to the kind of endless = programmability you=92d get with a tc, or DSP-Eventide; it=92s a two = slot device with fixed algorithms, but these are rich and complex, = covering all the basics in deluxe style, and filtered multi-delays = exceptionally well...plus it=92s got that multi-pitch-shifting thing = that nothing else can quite duplicate. It sounds so magnificent you=92d = never regret having one, unless it only makes you yearn for an = H8000.=A0

You=92ve already got really = cool ring-mod-ing and some rudimentary "synth-fx" with your VF-1s; = actually, it seems that low-end hardware is where you=92re most likely = to find the richest collection of unique-if-cheesy fx, all of which = would benefit enormously from an Eventide fairy-dusting = down-stream.=A0

You already know my opinion = of Reaktor as the weirdest and most endlessly re-thinkable multi-fx to = beat, right? Too bad that's not working yet with the = Receptor.....

Have = fun!
dc





On Jun 24, = 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I'd like to get your = thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic Fireworx, TC = Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81.

=

= --Apple-Mail-4--1028860468-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 09:18:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485013BEE1; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "ejyuhas" Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:18:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: fernandes guitars? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <449E62FD.21743.D5B1DF@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:18:48 +0000 (UTC) On 24 Jun 2006 at 21:42, ejyuhas wrote: > Hmmm, I play a Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer and I've not > experienced any noticeable drain on it. According to theier website, the latest guitar (the Nomad) has a battery life of 20 minutes. > pretty strong. I usually practice or play something each day, too. I > don't use the sustainer every day, though... There is battery drain all the time - when it dies, the entire guitar dies. > Have you checked the internal wiring for any shorts or damage? Can't see anything obvious. I owonder if the guage of strings has any effect? All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 10:29:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70C83BEDB; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <449E6590.1080104@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:29:36 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Any 14"-or-below Intel DuoCore laptop with 1gig of ram or more. Thousands to choose from, probably. ... Andreas Todd Reynolds wrote: > Dear mark, Per, Andreas... > > THAT DOES IT! I have to now go out and buy my first ever PC in order to run > Mobius. This is gonna drive me crazy if I don't. > > What is the most affordable, small and powerful enough PC laptop I can buy > to augment my 17 inch powerbook, operating with a Traveler? Any hints?? > Since I don't know windows architecture or assemblage whatsoever, I'd love a > hint or two should you all be willing... > > All best, > > Todd > > > > > On 6/24/06 2:04 PM, "Andreas Wetterberg" > wrote: > >> mark sottilaro wrote: >>> OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and >>> Sooperlooper unsuccessfully. Not sure why, probably >>> under powered in the computer dept. Well last week my >>> Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on my >>> doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS fucking left >>> it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt to >>> leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up at >>> UPS!) >> (immorality alert..) >> Well then you never received it! Call the computer company! "Where's my >> 2ghzDual!?" I'm sorry, but delivery people need to be taught an effin' >> lesson sometimes... Besides, if the computer company don't get a >> signature on their track-n-trace they'll probably claim it themselves. >> ;) >> >>> For the first week I just played around with >>> softsynths. Man I love some of the instruments that >>> come with Reaktor 5. Anyone make a good Reaktor based >>> looper? >> I've made a tiny little looping module for reaktor - it can do >> stuttering loop mult/div, overdubs, replace, sync and even do feedback >> percentages above 100, to bring up old noises from your loop, plus you >> can easily insert effects in the feedback chain for more craziness. I >> keep meaning to touch it up and share it, but... yeah.. don't seem to >> get around to it. Bug me by sending me enough emails, I guess. >> >> I'm getting a dual 2ghz with 2gigs of ram on tuesday... can't wait! >> >> Andreas. >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > ³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter > > ³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the > creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Todd Reynolds > 42-09 47th Ave 1C > Sunnyside, NY 11104 > > Ph. 718 392-3773 > Mob. 917 576-6166 > Fax 419 781-5502 > > http://www.toddreynolds.com > > > todd@toddreynolds.com > 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) > AIM ID: toddreyn > > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 10:52:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B00E3BEDB; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sJX3HFaOg/iOaQSqt19PUmR6qszrXUjUwAmLt4ALjww7aSU0VVMUCLTeRdmNmu3j1ZqpvfkQPXfT/AcHjYpaZrQmVMxlNn/uKl1c3WEBK0zq9tgML+hT9IJF5rN8BqSZrm6mpfwOR+qdIrRlQRqlgZKHeDc8kOcMXa/uR3mDe+U= In-Reply-To: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:52:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:52:45 +0000 (UTC) On 25 jun 2006, at 05.07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC > Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. Hi Kris, I own a Fireworx and I have once borrowed an Eclipse for two months (to decide which one I should go for and also to write a test review of the Eclipse for a guitar player magazine here in Sweden). I finally went for the Fireworx because I found one on a sale at a very good price. I also like that the Fireworx is smaller and lighter. The Eclipse is quite big and heavy. But sound-wise I think they are rather equal. What the Eclipse has that you won't get with the Fireworx is the option to use pre-programmed scales for the pitch shift function. This means you can use a MIDI footpedal to change scale and have the machine add two notes behind the note you are playing, thus creating three piece chords that follow the scale of the key. To do that with the Fireworx you have to stay away from the third note when programming the patch, so you can play either a "major" or a "minor" third with your live instrument while having the machine adding fifths or quarter intervals behind you. In a way I like this "musician-craft" approach better, because it's more free and doesn't lock the performer into a given key. It took some time to get into how to program the Fireworx, but since I finally managed to wrap my brains around it I just love it. Both the Fireworx and the Eventide lack the CPU power to play patches that use all available effects. Especially high resolution reverb is using lots of CPU. So you have to constantly zap between patches when you perform and lay down loop layers. One final word on the Fireworx's effect feeback loop: it sucks because of latency. When setting up patches inside the Fireworx you can put a "feedback send" or "feedback return" at any place of the effect chain. This means that part of the signal will be sent to the units physical feedback output and retrieved from the feedback input (digital or analog - but if you use the main analog input for your signal source/instrument only the digital effect send is available, and vice versa) But the signal is getting so delayed in that process that it's not usable. Speaking about "effect loops" there is also another kind of effect loop that you can set up completely inside the Fireworx program, but this is another thing and it's working perfectly well (define an "insert send" at any part of an effect chain and retrieve that signal with a "insert return" block at an earlier part so you can "cook" the sound even more by going through the same effects again. It's a quite open system and if you have the theoretical knowledge about how to create certain sound with the normal effect arsenal you should be able to come up with almost everything on a fireworx - as long as the CPU power stays with you that is ;-) However, you can hook up the Fireworx digitally in an effect loop to some other software or hardware and then there is no latency at all. I sometimes use the Fireworx in Logic, connected digitally to the RMX Multiface audio interface and in praxis it's just as having a bunch of new - non CPU bogging - plug-ins. This option also comes with the Eclipse, but I never tried it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 10:58:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1C463BEE8; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CkfhsNr0YXXcVNwGbOg+jDVomZOIlcwBxR2HhrsBhR/VL30IO4gqaF/0tZPncO2MQasDu5kvlbyNiTNJy8Sp3FqLFSWfNp7vMU1/1S2ICemwBossdK8+b+yu7F0VEp48J054EYpZTGjdcK+aT+Q+QO32SwjyvAB8LqbRtbo73zQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C30E750-D5D8-4DDC-8C87-55F260BFE51D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:58:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <2EOXCD.A.38D.txmnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:58:53 +0000 (UTC) On 25 jun 2006, at 05.19, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Dear mark, Per, Andreas... > > THAT DOES IT! I have to now go out and buy my first ever PC in > order to run > Mobius. This is gonna drive me crazy if I don't. > > What is the most affordable, small and powerful enough PC laptop I > can buy > to augment my 17 inch powerbook, operating with a Traveler? Last years model is always extremely inexpensive. A 2 GHz centrino laptop will run eight tracks of audio loops well. But it may not be able to do it while also processing a lot of effect plug-ins. > Any hints?? > Since I don't know windows architecture or assemblage whatsoever, > I'd love a > hint or two should you all be willing... Just don't install a lot of other software on the Windows XP machine and it will be fine. I had both Symantec Anti Virus and Ghost from the beginning, because I wanted to use the pc on the internet, but I finally had to wipe the drive and reinstall Windows XP Service Pack 2 without any extra online update service from Microsoft and without the Anti Virus and Ghost stuff. This gave me a Mobius PC that boots up in a seconds and never crashes. What more do you need? Well, a Mac for the INternet - eventually ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 11:11:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49C3E3BEE6; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=R9fASgufQ7UcH5+hi8wLGwXlcO1wAgjHUgKwOponN+51Rj+EpK9hZ+hprzVDgS3uKylBtkh41bf3g8mvqZ1w5LGPqXAkE3/sNik4i8N1GKxgMHhOYyB5eNkqGa9AzXmrvCYRHoUiDvrV0Wu4vr/oq1ZAL9vaFqkS7HhmgJ4z5Po= ; Message-ID: <20060625111118.3507.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8A7D280A-A05F-447D-BAC6-CFB7FAE7FFE5@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:11:20 +0000 (UTC) love this reviews guys keep them coming! cheers L.a --- David Coffin wrote: > I’ve owned all of these. Each offers unique > pleasures, to be sure, > but the serious contenders for max mangling are only > the Eventide and > the FireworX, and I'd go for the Eventide without > hesitating. > > My takes on each: > PCM-81...a big disappointment as a mangler, even > with all the add-on > preset cards; opaque (but admittedly deep) > interface, and really not > a multi-effector; it’s a multi-delay--get the PSP > software version > and forget this one. > > G-Force...routing and modulation heaven with a great > interface, > always have 8 types of effect available in any > possible order/config, > but effects quite conventional; pitch-shifting > nowhere near as cool > as the Eventide. With clever, patient programming, > it can do some > wild morphing stuff because of the deep mod options > and many > simultaneous fx, not because of having unusual > effects. > > FireworX...should have been a G-Force on steroids, > since it’s packed > with odd effects for sonic mayhem, but it's > seriously crippled by low > horsepower; even tho its got lots of modules to pick > from, it’s > impossible to load more than 2 or 3 without maxing > the thing out. > Same mod power and great interface as the G-F, but > what's the point > of infinite routing options if you've only got 2-3 > effects going?? I > sold my G-Force to get one and regretted it > immediately. I hated > pretty much all the presets and never found anything > in it I loved > exploring. I'm sure it would repay deep, committed > investigation > because of the weird effects available, esp. in > concert with other > devices. Too bad neither tc device will send its > ultra mod power to > external devices via MIDI control... > > The Eclipse will only disappoint if you’re expecting > or used to the > kind of endless programmability you’d get with a tc, > or DSP-Eventide; > it’s a two slot device with fixed algorithms, but > these are rich and > complex, covering all the basics in deluxe style, > and filtered multi- > delays exceptionally well...plus it’s got that > multi-pitch-shifting > thing that nothing else can quite duplicate. It > sounds so magnificent > you’d never regret having one, unless it only makes > you yearn for an > H8000. > > You’ve already got really cool ring-mod-ing and some > rudimentary > "synth-fx" with your VF-1s; actually, it seems that > low-end hardware > is where you’re most likely to find the richest > collection of unique- > if-cheesy fx, all of which would benefit enormously > from an Eventide > fairy-dusting down-stream. > > You already know my opinion of Reaktor as the > weirdest and most > endlessly re-thinkable multi-fx to beat, right? Too > bad that's not > working yet with the Receptor..... > > Have fun! > dc > > > > > > On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide > Eclipse, TC > > Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and > Lexicon PCM81. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 11:28:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7D83BEEA; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:28:43 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: fernandes guitars? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000d01c6984a$83c70d20$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <449E62FD.21743.D5B1DF@nick.12testing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Maybe try asking Ned Evett about how he does it. He uses the Fernandez Sustainer models, even sells them modded with the glass fretboard. http://www.nedevett.com/guitars.html http://www.fretlessguitar.com/ And/or ask the folks on the fretless forum http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=main T. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "ejyuhas" Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RE: fernandes guitars? > On 24 Jun 2006 at 21:42, ejyuhas wrote: > >> Hmmm, I play a Fernandes Monterey Elite w/ Sustainer and I've not >> experienced any noticeable drain on it. > > According to theier website, the latest guitar (the Nomad) has a > battery life of 20 minutes. > >> pretty strong. I usually practice or play something each day, too. I >> don't use the sustainer every day, though... > > There is battery drain all the time - when it dies, the entire guitar > dies. > >> Have you checked the internal wiring for any shorts or damage? > > Can't see anything obvious. I owonder if the guage of strings has any > effect? > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 12:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7D53BEE1; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pWHv6zxxM4qmtQuPeZ553LSWWgZF2McbW4blZ0F7/7zjx1BWH+3NqNUgs4fb42hu/26PGRECEZbpwBrxE8wTaiN67xoK7h43jPdKh4uldL5RwyqsAs9DcHWMs+5iYgdII3uxGe9iN6Z0+5u0PS20bMH/oID0zBTyS2zr36c70zk= ; Message-ID: <20060625121116.88152.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Novax Bass-guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780606220915i3b9e549dhc83d9476edb81bb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5-M60D.A.HQG.l1nnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) anybody in this forum playing this bass-guitars? http://www.novaxguitars.com/index.html they seem ideal for looping! Luis www.luis-angulo.com www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 12:38:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A3143BEE1; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03bf01c69854$3c25e8b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <449E6590.1080104@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:38:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <0XLSW.A.e7G.8OonEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Go for the ThinkPad...the Lenovo site let's you configure and order to your specifications. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:29 AM Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > Any 14"-or-below Intel DuoCore laptop with 1gig of ram or more. Thousands > to choose from, probably. > > ... > > Andreas > > Todd Reynolds wrote: >> Dear mark, Per, Andreas... >> >> THAT DOES IT! I have to now go out and buy my first ever PC in order to >> run >> Mobius. This is gonna drive me crazy if I don't. >> >> What is the most affordable, small and powerful enough PC laptop I can >> buy >> to augment my 17 inch powerbook, operating with a Traveler? Any hints?? >> Since I don't know windows architecture or assemblage whatsoever, I'd >> love a >> hint or two should you all be willing... >> >> All best, >> >> Todd >> >> >> >> >> On 6/24/06 2:04 PM, "Andreas Wetterberg" >> wrote: >> >>> mark sottilaro wrote: >>>> OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and >>>> Sooperlooper unsuccessfully. Not sure why, probably >>>> under powered in the computer dept. Well last week my >>>> Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on my >>>> doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS fucking left >>>> it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt to >>>> leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up at >>>> UPS!) >>> (immorality alert..) >>> Well then you never received it! Call the computer company! "Where's my >>> 2ghzDual!?" I'm sorry, but delivery people need to be taught an effin' >>> lesson sometimes... Besides, if the computer company don't get a >>> signature on their track-n-trace they'll probably claim it themselves. >>> ;) >>> >>>> For the first week I just played around with >>>> softsynths. Man I love some of the instruments that >>>> come with Reaktor 5. Anyone make a good Reaktor based >>>> looper? >>> I've made a tiny little looping module for reaktor - it can do >>> stuttering loop mult/div, overdubs, replace, sync and even do feedback >>> percentages above 100, to bring up old noises from your loop, plus you >>> can easily insert effects in the feedback chain for more craziness. I >>> keep meaning to touch it up and share it, but... yeah.. don't seem to >>> get around to it. Bug me by sending me enough emails, I guess. >>> >>> I'm getting a dual 2ghz with 2gigs of ram on tuesday... can't wait! >>> >>> Andreas. >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> ³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter >> >> ³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the >> creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------ >> Todd Reynolds >> 42-09 47th Ave 1C >> Sunnyside, NY 11104 >> Ph. 718 392-3773 >> Mob. 917 576-6166 >> Fax 419 781-5502 >> http://www.toddreynolds.com >> >> >> todd@toddreynolds.com >> 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) >> AIM ID: toddreyn >> >> >> >> >> >> . >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 14:11:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90CF23BEE6; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <449E9882.3010505@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:06:58 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0huP1.A.XBC.6lpnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I've worked with all these effects and I have a Fireworx and an Orville in my rack. I can second all what David Coffin has said, I just add one thing: The Fireworx has great filters, a great compressor and a very nice formant algorithm. I am using the Fwx mainly for loops post processing but I also want to keep it available for my main guitar input as it has a "sound" which is very different form the Orville ( and also from the Eclipse, which is more "thick" compared to the Orville). The Fwx sound can be described as "sterile" by some, but I think it is one of the most clean and "percussive" ones I've ever heard from these kind of processors; so I like it, specially on very clean parts. Its reverbs are nothing compared to Eventides and Lexicon. It is a box that is lacking of a deeper evolution and has a few limitations ( as has already been touched by David and Per) but it is one of those boxes which has a very distinctive character. If I could bring up another ( elder), very interesting box, it would be the Sony Dps V77. Anyway, if I should choose one between the ones you wrote I would go with the Eclipse, all in all it is the most complete one and it is the one which has the best reverbs and delays. my best, luca www.unguitar.com Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic > Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to > invest in only one of these, which would give me the most tone > mangling / effect goodies for the buck? The Fireworx appears to have > a lot of different types of effects, more than the other two from what > I can tell, but I'd like to hear from some of you who own these units. > > I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay, > reverb, pitch, and chorus/modulation effects, but also ring mod, > hopefully some quasi-synth guitar like effects, Filter, and whatever > else it can muster. I've heard some really ethereal and rich pad-like > sounds from the Eventides, which I really like, so that is a must. > > Why you ask? Now that my laptop system is complete and serving me > well, I'm building a botique, yet simple rack system on the > side...Looperlative, two VF1s', and whatever I decide from the above > five units. > > Kris > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 15:22:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F5FF3BEE0; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <528.129ee6e.31d0041a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:22:02 EDT Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_528.129ee6e.31d0041a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:22:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_528.129ee6e.31d0041a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/24/06 11:43:59 PM, mmccabe@finleysound.com writes: > Oh.=A0 You are banking up and down when this happens?=A0 Make sure you hav= e > "Bank Style" set to "None".=A0 I think the default is "First" which will > send the MIDI data of the first patch in the new bank.=A0 Page 14 in the > manual has more info. >=20 >=20 Hello Matt, Thanks for responding.=20 I have Bank style set to "none," so it happens NOT when I hit the Bank "up"=20 or "down" but the bottom row of buttons (1-5)to select the preset (it is set= to=20 Bank by 5). Also, the confusing thing is that CC information for each=20 preset is correct, showing nothing sent on the Echoplex channel. The Rocktron guy claims that whenever I select a Preset button the=20 information form all the Instant Access switches is sent at the same time, a= nd that this=20 is the source of my problem. He also says there is no way to avoid this. =20= =20 This doesn't make sense to me, but he claims that it is impossible to select= =20 a present button and send only the information programmed to that Preset if=20 you want to have access to the Instant Access switches. I am sincerely hop= ing=20 this is not the case. Otherwise I will have to investigate some of the oth= er=20 modes, like "Song" mode I suppose.=20 At any rate, I still have the same problem as before, but have since=20 discovered that the Echoplex will only respond to the All Access Preset butt= ons=20 strangely (which I DON'T want it to do) when it is in certain configurations= . I=20 haven't figured it all out, but thus far I have determined that if I have=20 overdubbed anything, or have cleared the loop with a long press I am in dang= er, but=20 if the echoplex has never recorded anything, I am safe. =20 So far I can avoid it most of the time by hitting a few extra button presses= .=20 Or I end up hitting the undo button and getting unwanted sounds. It stil= l=20 seems like there is something funky going on though, so let me know if you=20 have any other ideas.=20 Thanks again for your help,=20 Donovan=20 --part1_528.129ee6e.31d0041a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/24/06 11:43:59 PM, mmccabe@finleysound.com writes:


Oh.=A0 You are bankin= g up and down when this happens?=A0 Make sure you have
"Bank Style" set to "None".=A0 I think the default is "First" which will
send the MIDI data of the first patch in the new bank.=A0 Page 14 in the
manual has more info.



Hello Matt,
Thanks for responding.
I have Bank style set to "none," so it happens NOT when I hit the Bank "up"=20= or "down" but the bottom row of buttons (1-5)to select the preset (it is set= to Bank by 5).   Also, the confusing thing is that CC informatio= n for each preset is correct, showing nothing sent on the Echoplex channel.<= BR>
The Rocktron guy claims that whenever I select a Preset button the informati= on form all the Instant Access switches is sent at the same time, and that t= his is the source of my problem.  He also says there is no way to avoi= d this.   This doesn't make sense to me, but he claims that it is= impossible to select a present button and send only the information program= med to that Preset if you want to have access to the Instant Access switches= .  I am sincerely hoping this is not the case.  Otherwise I will= have to investigate some of the other modes, like "Song" mode I suppose.
At any rate, I still have the same problem as before, but have since discove= red that the Echoplex will only respond to the All Access Preset buttons str= angely (which I DON'T want it to do) when it is in certain configurations.&n= bsp;  I haven't figured it all out, but thus far I have determined tha= t if I have overdubbed anything, or have cleared the loop with a long press=20= I am in danger, but if the echoplex has never recorded anything, I am safe.&= nbsp;
So far I can avoid it most of the time by hitting a few extra button presses= .  Or I end up hitting the undo button and getting unwanted sounds.&nb= sp; It still seems like there is something funky going on though, so let me= know if you have any other ideas.

Thanks again for your help,
Donovan
--part1_528.129ee6e.31d0041a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 15:24:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94C4E3BEE8; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040c01c6986b$7e10a320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8A7D280A-A05F-447D-BAC6-CFB7FAE7FFE5@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:24:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0407_01C69839.328C6F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:24:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0407_01C69839.328C6F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Dave. Good points here. It's down to the Ecipse or Fireworx for = me now...I need to read Per's comments, as he owns a Fireworx. Yup, my = VF1s have ring mod and synth tones...very nice, so that is not a show = stopper if the new unit I buy does not have them. On Reaktor....how are you using it as an effects processor? What modules = are using, FastFX? Not Metaphysical, as it is just a sound generator. = Maybe I am missing something, but so far using Reaktor as an effect = processor has not jumped out at me. Just let me know which of the 4 or 5 = modules of the Reaktor suite you use, and I'll do some exploring. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:35 AM Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 I=92ve owned all of these. Each offers unique pleasures, to be sure, = but the serious contenders for max mangling are only the Eventide and = the FireworX, and I'd go for the Eventide without hesitating. My takes on each: PCM-81...a big disappointment as a mangler, even with all the add-on = preset cards; opaque (but admittedly deep) interface, and really not a = multi-effector; it=92s a multi-delay--get the PSP software version and = forget this one. G-Force...routing and modulation heaven with a great interface, always = have 8 types of effect available in any possible order/config, but = effects quite conventional; pitch-shifting nowhere near as cool as the = Eventide. With clever, patient programming, it can do some wild morphing = stuff because of the deep mod options and many simultaneous fx, not = because of having unusual effects. FireworX...should have been a G-Force on steroids, since it=92s packed = with odd effects for sonic mayhem, but it's seriously crippled by low = horsepower; even tho its got lots of modules to pick from, it=92s = impossible to load more than 2 or 3 without maxing the thing out. Same = mod power and great interface as the G-F, but what's the point of = infinite routing options if you've only got 2-3 effects going?? I sold = my G-Force to get one and regretted it immediately. I hated pretty much = all the presets and never found anything in it I loved exploring. I'm = sure it would repay deep, committed investigation because of the weird = effects available, esp. in concert with other devices. Too bad neither = tc device will send its ultra mod power to external devices via MIDI = control... The Eclipse will only disappoint if you=92re expecting or used to the = kind of endless programmability you=92d get with a tc, or DSP-Eventide; = it=92s a two slot device with fixed algorithms, but these are rich and = complex, covering all the basics in deluxe style, and filtered = multi-delays exceptionally well...plus it=92s got that = multi-pitch-shifting thing that nothing else can quite duplicate. It = sounds so magnificent you=92d never regret having one, unless it only = makes you yearn for an H8000.=20 You=92ve already got really cool ring-mod-ing and some rudimentary = "synth-fx" with your VF-1s; actually, it seems that low-end hardware is = where you=92re most likely to find the richest collection of = unique-if-cheesy fx, all of which would benefit enormously from an = Eventide fairy-dusting down-stream.=20 You already know my opinion of Reaktor as the weirdest and most = endlessly re-thinkable multi-fx to beat, right? Too bad that's not = working yet with the Receptor..... Have fun! dc On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic = Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. ------=_NextPart_000_0407_01C69839.328C6F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Dave. Good points here. It's = down to the=20 Ecipse or Fireworx for me now...I need to read Per's comments, as he = owns a=20 Fireworx.  Yup, my VF1s have ring mod and synth tones...very nice, = so that=20 is not a show stopper if the new unit I buy does not have = them.
 
On Reaktor....how are you using it as = an effects=20 processor? What modules are using, FastFX?  Not Metaphysical, as it = is just=20 a sound generator. Maybe I am missing something, but so far using = Reaktor as an=20 effect processor has not jumped out at me. Just let me know which of the = 4 or 5=20 modules of the Reaktor suite you use, and I'll do some = exploring.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 = 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the = Eclipse,=20 Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

I=92ve owned all of these. Each offers unique = pleasures, to be=20 sure, but the serious contenders for max mangling are only the = Eventide=20 and the FireworX, and I'd go for the Eventide without hesitating.

My takes on each:
PCM-81...a big disappointment as a mangler, even with all the = add-on=20 preset cards; opaque (but admittedly deep) interface, and really not a = multi-effector; it=92s a multi-delay--get the PSP software = version and=20 forget this one.

G-Force...routing and modulation heaven with a great interface, = always=20 have 8 types of effect available in any possible order/config, but = effects=20 quite conventional; pitch-shifting nowhere near as cool as the = Eventide. With=20 clever, patient programming, it can do some wild morphing stuff = because of the=20 deep mod options and many simultaneous fx, not because of having = unusual=20 effects.

FireworX...should have been a G-Force on steroids, since it=92s = packed with=20 odd effects for sonic mayhem, but it's seriously crippled by low = horsepower;=20 even tho its got lots of modules to pick from, it=92s impossible = to load=20 more than 2 or 3 without maxing the thing out. Same mod power and = great=20 interface as the G-F, but what's the point of infinite routing options = if=20 you've only got 2-3 effects going?? I sold my G-Force to get one and = regretted=20 it immediately. I hated pretty much all the presets and never found = anything=20 in it I loved exploring. I'm sure it would repay deep, committed = investigation=20 because of the weird effects available, esp. in concert with other = devices.=20 Too bad neither tc device will send its ultra mod power to external = devices=20 via MIDI control...

The Eclipse will only disappoint if you=92re expecting or used to = the kind=20 of endless programmability you=92d get with a tc, or DSP-Eventide; = it=92s a two=20 slot device with fixed algorithms, but these are rich and complex, = covering=20 all the basics in deluxe style, and filtered multi-delays = exceptionally=20 well...plus it=92s got that multi-pitch-shifting thing that nothing = else can=20 quite duplicate. It sounds so magnificent you=92d never regret having = one,=20 unless it only makes you yearn for an H8000. 

You=92ve already got really cool ring-mod-ing and some = rudimentary=20 "synth-fx" with your VF-1s; actually, it seems that low-end hardware = is where=20 you=92re most likely to find the richest collection of = unique-if-cheesy fx, all=20 of which would benefit enormously from an Eventide fairy-dusting=20 down-stream. 

You already know my opinion of Reaktor as the weirdest and most = endlessly=20 re-thinkable multi-fx to beat, right? Too bad that's not working yet = with the=20 Receptor.....

Have fun!
dc





On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I'd like to get your thoughts on the = Eventide=20 Eclipse, TC Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and = Lexicon=20 = PCM81.


= ------=_NextPart_000_0407_01C69839.328C6F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 15:28:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4143BEFF; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040f01c6986b$fab95390$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:28:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per. The effects loop and lack of pre-programmed scales on the fireworx is not a problem fo me, as I would not use either function. When you say the Eclipse is big and heavy, you just mean the length of it in the rack, right? Both are 1 space units. I'm still up in the air, but I'll read on. I'd buy both if I could afford it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:52 AM Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 > On 25 jun 2006, at 05.07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic >> Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. > > Hi Kris, > > I own a Fireworx and I have once borrowed an Eclipse for two months (to > decide which one I should go for and also to write a test review of the > Eclipse for a guitar player magazine here in Sweden). I finally went for > the Fireworx because I found one on a sale at a very good price. I also > like that the Fireworx is smaller and lighter. The Eclipse is quite big > and heavy. But sound-wise I think they are rather equal. What the Eclipse > has that you won't get with the Fireworx is the option to use > pre-programmed scales for the pitch shift function. This means you can > use a MIDI footpedal to change scale and have the machine add two notes > behind the note you are playing, thus creating three piece chords that > follow the scale of the key. To do that with the Fireworx you have to > stay away from the third note when programming the patch, so you can play > either a "major" or a "minor" third with your live instrument while > having the machine adding fifths or quarter intervals behind you. In a > way I like this "musician-craft" approach better, because it's more free > and doesn't lock the performer into a given key. > > It took some time to get into how to program the Fireworx, but since I > finally managed to wrap my brains around it I just love it. Both the > Fireworx and the Eventide lack the CPU power to play patches that use all > available effects. Especially high resolution reverb is using lots of > CPU. So you have to constantly zap between patches when you perform and > lay down loop layers. > > One final word on the Fireworx's effect feeback loop: it sucks because of > latency. When setting up patches inside the Fireworx you can put a > "feedback send" or "feedback return" at any place of the effect chain. > This means that part of the signal will be sent to the units physical > feedback output and retrieved from the feedback input (digital or > analog - but if you use the main analog input for your signal > source/instrument only the digital effect send is available, and vice > versa) But the signal is getting so delayed in that process that it's not > usable. Speaking about "effect loops" there is also another kind of > effect loop that you can set up completely inside the Fireworx program, > but this is another thing and it's working perfectly well (define an > "insert send" at any part of an effect chain and retrieve that signal > with a "insert return" block at an earlier part so you can "cook" the > sound even more by going through the same effects again. It's a quite > open system and if you have the theoretical knowledge about how to create > certain sound with the normal effect arsenal you should be able to come > up with almost everything on a fireworx - as long as the CPU power stays > with you that is ;-) > > However, you can hook up the Fireworx digitally in an effect loop to some > other software or hardware and then there is no latency at all. I > sometimes use the Fireworx in Logic, connected digitally to the RMX > Multiface audio interface and in praxis it's just as having a bunch of > new - non CPU bogging - plug-ins. This option also comes with the > Eclipse, but I never tried it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 15:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC7E13BF02; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5i+LHRRJ3AJ1bjUm7QYRoRRqZRhP3a0jOQihIG8dFuErMGnAm8jGtmK302XZa8x177sRPCU9rxCGV1e/8VXeNy4THqAHIJHaOSH259J9dzBjyqpBMMV7iCX7UB4yv7bpKU2dokVsn7r/3khUGQP3opxYCKXPs/4yplvjLF+yVD8= ; Message-ID: <20060625153045.51134.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <027b01c697d6$59780070$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:30:46 +0000 (UTC) I was looking into the Native Instruments Electronic Instruments XT 2 package to complement Reaktor. I take it you think it's worth it? Fast Effects seems like something right up my ally. Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Anyone make a good Reaktor based looper? > > This probably doesn't count, bu I basically run all > the Reaktor VSTs in my > VST host Chainer, along with Mobius as the second to > the last VST in the > Chain (reverb VST is the last). I loop Metaphysical > and Krypt sounds all of > the time....very nice to have in my system. > > Kris > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 15:31:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A4D3BF06; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <041a01c6986c$630b6960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <449E9882.3010505@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:31:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Luca. Well, I do like clean so that is a plus for me on the Fireworx. The Reverb quality is not an issue for me as I add reverb only after my looping unit, and I plan to use the Eclipse or Fireworx before the looper. I'm a firm advocate of adding reverb after and never before my looping device. I'll be using one of my VF1's for post loop reverb....good enough for live applications. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 > Hi Kris, > I've worked with all these effects and I have a Fireworx and an Orville in > my rack. > I can second all what David Coffin has said, I just add one thing: > The Fireworx has great filters, a great compressor and a very nice formant > algorithm. > I am using the Fwx mainly for loops post processing but I also want to > keep it available for my main guitar input as it has a "sound" which is > very different form the Orville ( and also from the Eclipse, which is more > "thick" compared to the Orville). > The Fwx sound can be described as "sterile" by some, but I think it is one > of the most clean and "percussive" ones I've ever heard from these kind of > processors; so I like it, specially on very clean parts. > Its reverbs are nothing compared to Eventides and Lexicon. > It is a box that is lacking of a deeper evolution and has a few > limitations ( as has already been touched by David and Per) but it is one > of those boxes which has a very distinctive character. > If I could bring up another ( elder), very interesting box, it would be > the Sony Dps V77. > Anyway, if I should choose one between the ones you wrote I would go with > the Eclipse, all in all it is the most complete one and it is the one > which has the best reverbs and delays. > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide Eclipse, TC Electronic >> Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and Lexicon PCM81. If I had to invest >> in only one of these, which would give me the most tone mangling / effect >> goodies for the buck? The Fireworx appears to have a lot of different >> types of effects, more than the other two from what I can tell, but I'd >> like to hear from some of you who own these units. >> >> I'm looking for a unit, preferrable, that has all the standard delay, >> reverb, pitch, and chorus/modulation effects, but also ring mod, >> hopefully some quasi-synth guitar like effects, Filter, and whatever else >> it can muster. I've heard some really ethereal and rich pad-like sounds >> from the Eventides, which I really like, so that is a must. >> >> Why you ask? Now that my laptop system is complete and serving me well, >> I'm building a botique, yet simple rack system on the >> side...Looperlative, two VF1s', and whatever I decide from the above five >> units. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> . >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 15:39:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2B063BED5; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GZ3LBrRkKmy/nRzfVe4NpdF3FuS7av6L4L2SOhyqkIl3iDEcJLGLOHfT5YlmjcdK5Gxri/1YP919euAdPevEu9BCuFbMFlhHOQrxvF509SeMGfK1X5SXv0Aez412WnaBaXzdN3RvOjV1TzTAa+V0ouThBH6TS5cGSsp0UbpQZiI= ; Message-ID: <20060625153923.22837.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:39:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm totally with you Bill, all the reasons you gave are why I ended up ditching the JC120 so many moons ago. However I hear harmonica users love them. Also, there was something about that one super clean with shimmering chours sound it did that just hit the spot for me. No matter what my rig is like I always start off with trying to recapture that sound. --- William Walker wrote: > Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the > JC120 came to promise > fro two reasons, > 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at > least gives its sterile > sound a bit of dimension. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 16:37:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB06C3BEA9; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:17:56 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: amp talk To: "L.A. Angulo" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b601c69873$e1c9d640$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060625020907.92978.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Yo brother- I just reviewed the Koch StudioTone in the August issue of Guitar One. The StudioToine is a Class A amp with EL84 power tubes while the MultiTone is Class AB with EL34 tubes. But if construction and attention to versatile tone are similar (and I'll bet they are), I'll bet that amp just ROCKED. I gave it the One Award. My only regret was that I didn't have a Mesa Boogie Lone Star Special at the same time to compare it with. That's the only other Class A amp I've experienced that would be in the same league. Koch seems like a great company: dedicated reps, great build quality, walking it like they talk it (with very little hype). Luis, I wouldn't be surprised if you've found your tonal Soul Mate. dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 16:40:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 278BC3BEFA; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WAerLu7a942R8GJjUXh2ULk2XV71rmZtO+idxhbO4+mVed8A9076nmPld23hZzg3TSjiiMRISA4wUVWTb0HhW2IxZWW+MWC/7nTjlxVT32VXZh8S1rz1EDscB1ibmb7V5UVFnye8bNXpbNzhhJLhK0H0PMZ9625gCmVIJXvxdKM= Message-ID: <913728d60606250933i4a91fbc4l198e24fea8eeab60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:33:26 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Novax Bass-guitar In-Reply-To: <20060625121116.88152.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <64b81a780606220915i3b9e549dhc83d9476edb81bb@mail.gmail.com> <20060625121116.88152.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:40:12 +0000 (UTC) I have a few friends that have the novax fanned fret dingwall basses, and they really like it...they say that the fanned fret isn't really that hard to get used to :) That looks like Charlie Hunter's guitar on the cover....that guy is amazing. For anyone who doesn't know who he is, he's a jazz guitarist who has his guitar set up with 3 bass strings and 5 guitar string and he literally plays guitar and bass at the same time live. He even puts a few effects on his guitar so that he can sound like a hammond as well :) Charlie On 6/25/06, L.A. Angulo wrote: > anybody in this forum playing this bass-guitars? > http://www.novaxguitars.com/index.html > they seem ideal for looping! > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 17:00:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654B33BEFA; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bkSWASrep7D/G7LztSaB9VoNbzEyQdGcKHvOeREvgMxf2Q0dDsSrPLWz9k2i8yGshd57KpoNQn0+F2+ekYsiZog6rkHU9uCQ6TFhSlB3vifsVxs3ft7FV4LUKB/TYX+NLSdaCfs85zt6AGKbEImpLCavy+KvYmaNlwLo+MgV3X0= ; Message-ID: <20060625170036.28263.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <03bf01c69854$3c25e8b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:00:37 +0000 (UTC) The ThinkPads are well known as great machines... My fiancee has one and I almost ended up with one until Toshiba had a great deal going on at www.toshibadirect.com. I ended up with a dual core 2 gig hz machine with a gig of ram, 64 meg ATI video card, 80 gig hard drive and a DVD burner on board for $1450. I'm not sure if the deal is still going on but so far I'm happy with it. Also it has built in firewire and a really nice bright display. A guy who works for an A/V company we use (I work for a company that does corporate events) recommended the Toshiba as that's what he uses to run various audio software... A lot of people here have diss'd the Sony VAIOs but one of my best friends loves his. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Go for the ThinkPad...the Lenovo site let's you > configure and order to your > specifications. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andreas Wetterberg" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 4:29 AM > Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > > > > Any 14"-or-below Intel DuoCore laptop with 1gig of > ram or more. Thousands > > to choose from, probably. > > > > ... > > > > Andreas > > > > Todd Reynolds wrote: > >> Dear mark, Per, Andreas... > >> > >> THAT DOES IT! I have to now go out and buy my > first ever PC in order to > >> run > >> Mobius. This is gonna drive me crazy if I don't. > >> > >> What is the most affordable, small and powerful > enough PC laptop I can > >> buy > >> to augment my 17 inch powerbook, operating with a > Traveler? Any hints?? > >> Since I don't know windows architecture or > assemblage whatsoever, I'd > >> love a > >> hint or two should you all be willing... > >> > >> All best, > >> > >> Todd > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 6/24/06 2:04 PM, "Andreas Wetterberg" > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> mark sottilaro wrote: > >>>> OK, a while ago I fooled around with Mobius and > >>>> Sooperlooper unsuccessfully. Not sure why, > probably > >>>> under powered in the computer dept. Well last > week my > >>>> Toshiba dual core 2gighz machine showed up on > my > >>>> doorstep (literally, I can't believe UPS > fucking left > >>>> it on my doorstep with no signature or attempt > to > >>>> leave it with a neighbor or have me pick it up > at > >>>> UPS!) > >>> (immorality alert..) > >>> Well then you never received it! Call the > computer company! "Where's my > >>> 2ghzDual!?" I'm sorry, but delivery people need > to be taught an effin' > >>> lesson sometimes... Besides, if the computer > company don't get a > >>> signature on their track-n-trace they'll > probably claim it themselves. > >>> ;) > >>> > >>>> For the first week I just played around with > >>>> softsynths. Man I love some of the instruments > that > >>>> come with Reaktor 5. Anyone make a good > Reaktor based > >>>> looper? > >>> I've made a tiny little looping module for > reaktor - it can do > >>> stuttering loop mult/div, overdubs, replace, > sync and even do feedback > >>> percentages above 100, to bring up old noises > from your loop, plus you > >>> can easily insert effects in the feedback chain > for more craziness. I > >>> keep meaning to touch it up and share it, but... > yeah.. don't seem to > >>> get around to it. Bug me by sending me enough > emails, I guess. > >>> > >>> I'm getting a dual 2ghz with 2gigs of ram on > tuesday... can't wait! > >>> > >>> Andreas. > >>> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ----- > >> ³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - > Trevor Exter > >> > >> ³Classical music is related to the past more than > it is related to the > >> creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ------ > >> Todd Reynolds > >> 42-09 47th Ave 1C > >> Sunnyside, NY 11104 > >> Ph. 718 392-3773 > >> Mob. 917 576-6166 > >> Fax 419 781-5502 > >> http://www.toddreynolds.com > >> > >> > >> todd@toddreynolds.com > >> 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) > >> AIM ID: toddreyn > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> . > >> > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 17:00:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 345153BF12; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Qfp1kZtjlf5jutgOgk6cYAWglxcGNwERQnUSAx0AjivrTxf1Hh/OhHEfgK5QTW1YlhYPTKpOAimKnDunDaGZVg+dSbo47Ff63+pfa0Odcl8HRm7MFgAP+mGjPDS0Qlvvm/elmaT4k6SGdQYOuITntV3TuEc4XTWuJcEBazl84LE= In-Reply-To: <040f01c6986b$fab95390$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <040f01c6986b$fab95390$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <175B1638-0734-4E23-9198-EC71284388CB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:04:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:00:45 +0000 (UTC) On 25 jun 2006, at 17.28, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks, Per. The effects loop and lack of pre-programmed scales on > the fireworx is not a problem fo me, as I would not use either > function. When you say the Eclipse is big and heavy, you just mean > the length of it in the rack, right? Both are 1 space units. Yes, the Eclipse goes deeper into the rack. And it weights a more as well. When I had one for two months I found it hard to crate original patches that didn't sound like what I have heard other musicians sound like. To my taste the Eclipse had a too big impact on the sound. But some musicians want to use it as a standard effect box and then it may come in handy. My brother played me a piece by Steve Vai, from a record, and I immediately remembered the exact Eclipse preset Vai was playing through ;-) On the Fireworx I have made twenty patches that I use and that is pretty much what I need. It's ok to plug an electric guitar straight into the Fireworx and I was able to create a good plain jazz guitar sound (as far as you can go in that direction with a Strat). I like the compressors, the filters and the pitch shifters. Luca is right about the "clean" sound of the Fwrx. Check out this demo of a Telecaster plugged straight into the Fireworx: http:// www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 I think that recording shows well how the Fireworx compressors and pitch shifters sound on a clean guitar sound. I also managed to make a cool sound with lots of loooong reverb and then a filter cutting down the reverb treble. The built in step sequencer, programmed as a hihat pattern, runs the dynamic filter cut- off and a LFO synced to song tempo adjusts the speed of the "hi-hat filtering". An expression pedal sweeps between all open reverb sound and totally "beat sync filtered" reverb. I think the layout of the Fireworx makes it easy to come up with such fantasy patches. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 17:09:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B6373BF0C; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z9rJ+SqnkV9/qcaU5hvAZQljgVfSihsYFAabB+UC41OLGT7ohrovOBc6AJ8HrV2Trrgx55EAAX+8FRU9yUJSSW4t/dz9pQtEo7VHRpzo1x/kkvgvL2JvZtfeLkieUaeTgCo8/E/IFwqC/a/KTQrkMkpfVo38281Ol+I0WRTc06o= ; Message-ID: <20060625170942.82808.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_hLvR.A.yMC.XNsnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:09:44 +0000 (UTC) You mention the PCM81, and I agree with the fellow who said get the PSP plug in. I own it and it's great... actually like Augustus Loop more but that's another conversation... If you like the Lexicon sound I recommend maybe a MPX-1. I honestly never compared it to any of the machines you asked about, but I've always loved mine and they can be found rather inexpensively on ebay. I think mine was abount $400 at Guitar Center but it could have been a return and had definately been in their demo rack for a while. Anyway, I think it has great sound and a decent amount of horsepower. I love the fact that it has an A/B button so you can do a timed slide from one set of perameters to another. M --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 25 jun 2006, at 05.07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I'd like to get your thoughts on the Eventide > Eclipse, TC > > Electronic Fireworx, TC Electrronics G-Force, and > Lexicon PCM81. > > Hi Kris, > > I own a Fireworx and I have once borrowed an Eclipse > for two months > (to decide which one I should go for and also to > write a test review > of the Eclipse for a guitar player magazine here in > Sweden). I > finally went for the Fireworx because I found one on > a sale at a very > good price. I also like that the Fireworx is smaller > and lighter. The > Eclipse is quite big and heavy. But sound-wise I > think they are > rather equal. What the Eclipse has that you won't > get with the > Fireworx is the option to use pre-programmed scales > for the pitch > shift function. This means you can use a MIDI > footpedal to change > scale and have the machine add two notes behind the > note you are > playing, thus creating three piece chords that > follow the scale of > the key. To do that with the Fireworx you have to > stay away from the > third note when programming the patch, so you can > play either a > "major" or a "minor" third with your live instrument > while having the > machine adding fifths or quarter intervals behind > you. In a way I > like this "musician-craft" approach better, because > it's more free > and doesn't lock the performer into a given key. > > It took some time to get into how to program the > Fireworx, but since > I finally managed to wrap my brains around it I just > love it. Both > the Fireworx and the Eventide lack the CPU power to > play patches that > use all available effects. Especially high > resolution reverb is using > lots of CPU. So you have to constantly zap between > patches when you > perform and lay down loop layers. > > One final word on the Fireworx's effect feeback > loop: it sucks > because of latency. When setting up patches inside > the Fireworx you > can put a "feedback send" or "feedback return" at > any place of the > effect chain. This means that part of the signal > will be sent to the > units physical feedback output and retrieved from > the feedback input > (digital or analog - but if you use the main analog > input for your > signal source/instrument only the digital effect > send is available, > and vice versa) But the signal is getting so delayed > in that process > that it's not usable. Speaking about "effect loops" > there is also > another kind of effect loop that you can set up > completely inside the > Fireworx program, but this is another thing and it's > working > perfectly well (define an "insert send" at any part > of an effect > chain and retrieve that signal with a "insert > return" block at an > earlier part so you can "cook" the sound even more > by going through > the same effects again. It's a quite open system and > if you have the > theoretical knowledge about how to create certain > sound with the > normal effect arsenal you should be able to come up > with almost > everything on a fireworx - as long as the CPU power > stays with you > that is ;-) > > However, you can hook up the Fireworx digitally in > an effect loop to > some other software or hardware and then there is no > latency at all. > I sometimes use the Fireworx in Logic, connected > digitally to the RMX > Multiface audio interface and in praxis it's just as > having a bunch > of new - non CPU bogging - plug-ins. This option > also comes with the > Eclipse, but I never tried it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 17:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF733BF0E; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vSdVvtRNswn4S7R/+LUunTZRYUHA9xyZJCM/XRq65+o/diGznOXsfUUGwz0sdc+nvfKOt4jka606om25a7PQpWYV3juWF5piNHdXYb1wQyA5cCZ5ANCRd3MHLzMhyH5mCKT/NFWCo+fm8YGOaUy+COhvtq93vLAvcYyJp2sUmNQ= ; Message-ID: <20060625171018.16293.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:10:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: amp talk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b601c69873$e1c9d640$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1vTPeB.A.SUC.6NsnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:10:19 +0000 (UTC) oh man i am telling you ive always been a fender fan but this babies are even more flexible and the price compared make them quite attractive! Doug sorry for the dumb question but what is the difference in quality between a class A or AB and their tubes? Cheers Luis --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Yo brother- > I just reviewed the Koch StudioTone in the > August issue of Guitar One. > The StudioToine is a Class A amp with EL84 power > tubes while the MultiTone > is Class AB with EL34 tubes. But if construction and > attention to versatile > tone are similar (and I'll bet they are), I'll bet > that amp just ROCKED. I > gave it the One Award. My only regret was that I > didn't have a Mesa Boogie > Lone Star Special at the same time to compare it > with. That's the only other > Class A amp I've experienced that would be in the > same league. Koch seems > like a great company: dedicated reps, great build > quality, walking it like > they talk it (with very little hype). > > Luis, I wouldn't be surprised if you've found > your tonal Soul Mate. > dB > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 17:12:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91C5B3BF0B; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dZsTzdPhEiMMgz/rC9Q4XXVueMAMFLgBjeAm6+bDd7y7GKM0gut4wTc2+B5fvvMstg/OKD6TPAz6OPBKiOpRBqex6K1EsgJ1ZAbd3dAwxVa3HUWoB/1hiLmU2GxyTXCvu8AsCG7F7rBERhAfZNAVCSpa2jLk61m2QkNpjd+pQXQ= ; Message-ID: <20060625171206.90407.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: 2880 track questions... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060624233147.04629548@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Kim! Man... that seems like such an over sight in the design of what seems like an otherwise powerful looper. Why you'd give it amazing storage capacity and then cripple it by limiting it to a single loop is recockulous. Mark --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:10 PM 6/22/2006, mark sottilaro wrote: > >Also, will it work similar to a Lexicon JamMan in > >terms of setting up "or" tracks instead of "and > >tracks" By this I mean set it so that at the end > of a > >loop it starts recording a new track while muting > the > >first track giving you the ability to create tracks > >that can be toggled between OR combined. > > I asked about this when I got a demo of the 2880 at > NAMM. It only does one > 4 track loop. It cannot do multiple A/B/C/etc loops. > No switching between > different loops for different sections of a song. > > Same with the memory card. You can only store one > loop on the card. (no > matter how big the memory card is.) The EH guy > doing the demo suggested > the only way to do multiple loops is to have several > memory cards, and pull > one out and put in another when you want to switch > to the next loop. In > other words, if multiple loops if important to you, > the 2880 is probably > not your looper. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 17:40:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88A6E3BF0A; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,173,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="523989821:sNHT39102076" In-Reply-To: <040c01c6986b$7e10a320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8A7D280A-A05F-447D-BAC6-CFB7FAE7FFE5@earthlink.net> <040c01c6986b$7e10a320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--996183228 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:39:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:40:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--996183228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey, Kris Didn=92t I once send you a demo CD of my favorite Reaktor fx? Maybe =20 that was the VG-8. There's a few old l-d threads about Reaktor as an =20 FX device... And have you never checked out my 35-page pdf FX =20 Tutorial in the Reaktor User Library? It=92s in the Top 100 list. =20 Reaktor mops the floor with all the hardware units you=92ve mentioned =20= in the routing and modulation departments. Want to make instantaneous =20= preset (snap) changes in a multi-effect ensemble using a beat-synced =20 step sequencer? No problem. And where to begin with its FX modules....4 or 5???? Between the =20 Factory Library, the User Library, and the 2 essential Instrument add-=20= on packs, it=92s more like 400 or 500! There's over 300 items in my =20 =94Favorite Reaktor FX=94 folder. A smattering; search these in the UL: Delayrium Funny Edge harm rezo lil3 jambient Spectral Morph stutter delay MadPad 12-band delay Amor (a Vortex simulation) Blackbird (a poor-man's Eventide) Pachinko Laserbrew Stotterer Komplex Delay NichePiche GaterFX And in the Factory Lib, don't miss Travelizer, Grainstates FX and =20 especially Vierring; they're under Sample Transformers and Sequenced =20 Synthesizers. That should get you started:) dc On Jun 25, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > On Reaktor....how are you using it as an effects processor? What =20 > modules are using, FastFX? Not Metaphysical, as it is just a sound =20= > generator. Maybe I am missing something, but so far using Reaktor =20 > as an effect processor has not jumped out at me. Just let me know =20 > which of the 4 or 5 modules of the Reaktor suite you use, and I'll =20 > do some exploring. --Apple-Mail-1--996183228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hey, Kris
Didn=92t I once = send you a demo CD of my favorite Reaktor fx? Maybe that was the VG-8. = There's a few old l-d threads about Reaktor as an FX device... And have = you never checked out my 35-page pdf FX Tutorial in the Reaktor User = Library? It=92s in the Top 100 list. Reaktor mops the floor with all the = hardware units you=92ve mentioned in the routing and modulation = departments. Want to make instantaneous preset (snap) changes in a = multi-effect ensemble using a beat-synced step sequencer? No = problem.
And where to begin with its FX modules....4 or 5???? = Between the Factory Library, the User Library, and the 2 essential = Instrument add-on packs, it=92s more like 400 or 500!=A0There's over 300 = items in my =94Favorite Reaktor FX=94 folder. A smattering; search these = in the UL:

Delayrium
Funny = Edge
harm rezo
lil3
jambient Spectral = Morph
stutter delay
MadPad
12-band = delay
Amor (a Vortex simulation)
Blackbird (a = poor-man's = Eventide)
Pachinko
Laserbrew
Stotterer
=
Komplex Delay
NichePiche
GaterFX

And in the Factory Lib, = don't miss=A0Travelizer, Grainstates FX and especially Vierring; they're = under Sample Transformers and Sequenced Synthesizers.

That should get you = started:)
dc




On Jun 25, 2006, at = 8:24 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

On Reaktor....how are you using it as an effects = processor? What modules are using, FastFX?=A0 Not Metaphysical, as it is = just a sound generator. Maybe I am missing something, but so far using = Reaktor as an effect processor has not jumped out at me. Just let me = know which of the 4 or 5 modules of the Reaktor suite you use, and I'll = do some = exploring.

= --Apple-Mail-1--996183228-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 17:50:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DADA43BEFC; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kH58IfxNo3POJAPqSi2vi2gTiZAvAXj1oK9tsVmC1jWJtEDg7/iuwsiXipvLv99SOzyCuNwL/GsNM2sk6KaDmBd/2YdElIHAusKX5tuH+ttDXIaZnmQJr2IQpQ+hRkUkC5Wbi3LUkfDI9VoqROdEFkICZbF2lQW49kEZSQ4VZG4= ; Message-ID: <20060625175044.99126.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <03bf01c69854$3c25e8b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_7y_GD.A.25D.1zsnEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) On the topic of Mobius, why do you like Chainer as a vst host? I know Per loves Live but I'm not sure if I need or would use all it's functionality. I'd rather have something that has some midi editing/sequencing ability. I'm checking out Tracktion right now but I'm curioius. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 18:31:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E88F3BEF1; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,173,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="1320450721:sNHT18427784" In-Reply-To: References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8A7D280A-A05F-447D-BAC6-CFB7FAE7FFE5@earthlink.net> <040c01c6986b$7e10a320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Reaktor_FX=97Was:_Thoughts_on_the_Eclipse,_Fire?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?worx,_G-Force,_and_PCM81?= Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:31:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Link to Blackbird (and other great stuff), no longer in UL: http://aureality.midiworld.org/products/reaktor/reaktor.html On Jun 25, 2006, at 10:39 AM, David Coffin wrote: > Blackbird (a poor-man's Eventide) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 18:44:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94683BEFF; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,173,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1320484387:sNHT35162978" In-Reply-To: References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8A7D280A-A05F-447D-BAC6-CFB7FAE7FFE5@earthlink.net> <040c01c6986b$7e10a320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--992311300 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Reaktor_FX=96_was:_Thoughts_on_the_Eclipse,_Fir?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?eworx,_G-Force,_and_PCM81?= Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:44:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:44:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--992311300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jun 25, 2006, at 10:39 AM, David Coffin wrote: > 12-band delay Try instead: MultiBandDelay v0.1 > lil3 Try instead: Lilthree --Apple-Mail-2--992311300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Jun 25, 2006, = at 10:39 AM, David Coffin wrote:

12-band = delay

Try instead:
MultiBandDelay v0.1

lil3

Try = instead:
Lilthree


= --Apple-Mail-2--992311300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 18:57:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702343BEFF; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CzuIo1XqZ243zV5bo6MPe+MCjpn0p8oRWwKRDMZt3TZWPVrbzTmnHAL+xlhLPIT3WbZ8KM73qPK12j3lUSkcEPyatXk087nm3Grcx4+C3D1kwncrENbA4Ygule3h8N7Nuuzg+TA5u3RKLO4H9+uZRaobkbF5UF2LjJxRkcbTtQ8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060625175044.99126.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060625175044.99126.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8456D599-A9B1-4B4A-A16F-C5F8CB7FC345@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:57:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:57:29 +0000 (UTC) On 25 jun 2006, at 19.50, mark sottilaro wrote: > On the topic of Mobius, why do you like Chainer as a > vst host? I know Per loves Live Sorry to interrupt here, but I only use Live as a host when I can let Live set the master tempo. And that happens almost never. So in praxis I don't use any VST host at all. I think Mobius is so much more "playable" as a standalone version. When using Mobius to create tracks for recording projects I use the "Record Audio" function in Mobius that renders a file to the hard drive. Then I move that file into a traditional DAW (Logic is my fav) to eventually assemble the piece, sweeten audio, mix and master for CD or DVD. The reason I don't like Live is that it doesn't follow MIDI clock very well. At least when playing solo gigs I like to have Mobius define the tempo and provide the master MIDI clock and last time I did that, in November 2005, Live "lost sync" way too often. > but I'm not sure if I > need or would use all it's functionality. Live has nice plug-ins and lets you change pitch and timing, is that what you mean you may not need? > I'd rather > have something that has some midi editing/sequencing > ability. I'm checking out Tracktion right now but I'm > curioius. These days Live has MIDI sequencing and some basic MIDI editing. Live does not let you define MIDI groove templates from audio loops or MIDI loops though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 19:09:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85E083BEF9; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060625150219.01c687d8@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:09:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Vst host was Mobius 2 In-Reply-To: <8456D599-A9B1-4B4A-A16F-C5F8CB7FC345@gmail.com> References: <20060625175044.99126.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8456D599-A9B1-4B4A-A16F-C5F8CB7FC345@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6CAA4F55 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:09:40 +0000 (UTC) I'm sort of interested in the vst hosting discusion, I've tried a few and used energy xt for a while but I've recently settled in to using Bidule. I've found some interesting features in Bidule. My favorite is being able to set up different chains of effects in the same window and then activate whichever one I want with my midi foot pedal. The chains that aren't active don't draw any cpu power until you click on them. Is anyone else here using Bidule? Paul Haslem Hammered Dulcimer and guitar Ontario Canada www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 19:32:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 334C93BEDB; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: MOINSOUND: New Kybermusik recordings online featuring Rick Walker, Charlie Milkey and again Krispen Hartung Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:32:02 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001301c6988e$142e3b70$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcaYjgjP66VxphcwSYqjPoOkF/CzsQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Ok, I put some more kybermusik (virtual internet jams using Ninjam) recordings up on the www.moinlabs.de site. Go to http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm to find: "30.4.06 - KYBERMUSIK" (3 excerpts from a 80-minute-performance): This was the performance which combined Kris and Rick (playing at Kris' home after the BEMF) and me (playing at www.salonerna.de). At least talking about my performance, this was one of my weaker performances (both Ninjamming and in general) - but with three players, the remaining two can make up for that. It's Rick on drums/percussion and vocal noises, Krispen on guitar and fx and industrial drum loop and me playing bass guitar, synths and aleatoric lead guitar. "The Milkey Way" (4 excerpts from a two-hour-performance): A (non-public) performance by Charlie Milkey and me - Charlie playing 4-string bass guitar with Jamman, MPX200 and Line6 Toneport/Gearbox, me playing my weird tuning sixstring, lots of synths and effects, metronome crosstalk and a few loopers as well. Keep looking for more of this stuff coming soon... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 20:48:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C4543BEDA; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04b301c69898$a60193d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060625175044.99126.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:47:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:48:04 +0000 (UTC) I like Chainer because of the simplicity. Within minutes you can pop your VSTs in it, add Mobius at the end, and be playing. But I wish it had more routing capability rather than going from one VST to another...that's that "chain" of the Chainer. EnergyXT has more routing capability, and it has sequence capaiblity as well, I believe. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > On the topic of Mobius, why do you like Chainer as a > vst host? I know Per loves Live but I'm not sure if I > need or would use all it's functionality. I'd rather > have something that has some midi editing/sequencing > ability. I'm checking out Tracktion right now but I'm > curioius. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jun 25 22:00:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C7193BEDE; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: looper in guitar player Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:00:41 -0400 Message-ID: <006601c698a2$cd755320$0202fea9@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C69881.4665FD10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <508.181c7bc.31cea7ed@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcaXm5o825koyl8JQ2C+pFBiVVYTKwAJ7cuw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:00:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C69881.4665FD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh my, I haven't even seen it yet. I took a chance sending some looping music to Mike Varney...cool, man! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com http://www.myspace.com/hazardfactor _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looper in guitar player a big CONGRATS to DAVE EICHENBERGER for getting into this months G.P......koolness!.....i think my LOOPPOLKA band concept will get my mug on da cover baby!.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C69881.4665FD10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh my, I haven't even seen it yet. I took a chance sending some = looping=20 music to Mike Varney...cool, man!
 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 03:55:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D16BA3BEE8; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IaWUqNEvo53/BnuLEuQ+MX4cIaDbz27NR4iLOox4inCNJNiaVMvs7DmCLNfbp7dXkalj/WJPXIzyM9EbnMgKARt4G3Ppb0a64pv9A2pI4aJHZYP4gQxN9G7ugtR9v5507KKxpc7ngckpcixRsFHosCyJGkQ9J0iC4lf7zl7t7D0= ; Message-ID: <20060626035554.14384.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8456D599-A9B1-4B4A-A16F-C5F8CB7FC345@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <57YAyB.A.iJ.Mr1nEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 03:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Ah, thanks for the clarification Per, I'd read you used Live and used Mobius alone as well, but i guess I was unclear as to what ends each was used. But it made me think about how I intend to use my host. In one sense I want it to be super simple like Chainer. In this sense the laptop will act as a dedicated looper/processor (maybe a soft synth every now and then) However, my hope is to also use it live where it provides sequenced beats and loops.... OK, and maybe a VSTi every now and then. (Man I love grainstates!) So, as a wise man once said "A well asked question answers itself." Perhaps I'm looking for 2 things and a single program isn't the answer. Maybe Chainer and Energy XT will do the jobs and they're both in my budget for sure. (Live is a little pricey right now... although I guess I have an upgrade deal from a light version...) Thanks Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 25 jun 2006, at 19.50, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > On the topic of Mobius, why do you like Chainer as > a > > vst host? I know Per loves Live > > Sorry to interrupt here, but I only use Live as a > host when I can let > Live set the master tempo. And that happens almost > never. So in > praxis I don't use any VST host at all. I think > Mobius is so much > more "playable" as a standalone version. When using > Mobius to create > tracks for recording projects I use the "Record > Audio" function in > Mobius that renders a file to the hard drive. Then I > move that file > into a traditional DAW (Logic is my fav) to > eventually assemble the > piece, sweeten audio, mix and master for CD or DVD. > > The reason I don't like Live is that it doesn't > follow MIDI clock > very well. At least when playing solo gigs I like to > have Mobius > define the tempo and provide the master MIDI clock > and last time I > did that, in November 2005, Live "lost sync" way too > often. > > > but I'm not sure if I > > need or would use all it's functionality. > > Live has nice plug-ins and lets you change pitch and > timing, is that > what you mean you may not need? > > > I'd rather > > have something that has some midi > editing/sequencing > > ability. I'm checking out Tracktion right now but > I'm > > curioius. > > These days Live has MIDI sequencing and some basic > MIDI editing. Live > does not let you define MIDI groove templates from > audio loops or > MIDI loops though. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 04:08:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 930A53BEF4; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JfgzkTaF2sg65y6uD5DmVooyE7i0q0eMB30stxvNqK3G1C8lS1eaJvGfSj0TGgqEWnSclurB3g9R8B/UOAefSbXHMamSUH4VgR9k3gjwkuArAPG1Tcc5r4ryaSS3jgTqbYrl2rfIifrejjUV6elBUVy8AR9kKaKlVSINGxHODTE= ; Message-ID: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04b301c69898$a60193d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:08:53 +0000 (UTC) You know, I love this list. Man I'm soaking it all up and loving every word. I'm on a lot of lists but this is by FAR the best overall group in terms of just knowledgable, smart and nice people. Krispen, I feel like I'm on a very similar path as you and it's nice that you're up in front. As much as I cringed when you had issues with your vsts, I took it all in and it's been a tremendous help. Per, you're part of the "Lewis and Clark" expedition (Early American explorers to our non American pals. Who explored Sweden? I have no idea... I should ;) ) that's helping my "Louisinia Purchase" Thanks again kids. Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I like Chainer because of the simplicity. Within > minutes you can pop your > VSTs in it, add Mobius at the end, and be playing. > But I wish it had more > routing capability rather than going from one VST to > another...that's that > "chain" of the Chainer. EnergyXT has more routing > capability, and it has > sequence capaiblity as well, I believe. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > > > > On the topic of Mobius, why do you like Chainer as > a > > vst host? I know Per loves Live but I'm not sure > if I > > need or would use all it's functionality. I'd > rather > > have something that has some midi > editing/sequencing > > ability. I'm checking out Tracktion right now but > I'm > > curioius. > > > > Mark > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 04:54:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A643C3BEDE; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IILezC3IBM7cVG2+bUDfhTo/zw8Q328xGmcdX2V/wB2SCFHNiR17iI30l06o1RhKAmEhdK6bCfSlx6D57A/GFpXgPjW9Ms29NdBaKz016l6CSpVNd5WVgfswUqWuSEInyG2E2dFe++2hptHf652JSSdu4knL2qATTymCzCuSFmY= ; Message-ID: <20060626045423.67266.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Novax Bass-guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060625121116.88152.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 04:54:25 +0000 (UTC) wow those novax are nice.i would like to check out some of their double necks & acoustics.that 8 string charlie hunter looks like a very interesting beast to unleash...LOL unleash the fury!hahahaha fuckin yngwie, what a ham. hell yeah they do ideal for looping with,"good heads up" i forgot all about novax,they seem to have evolved vigorously i remember them from a long time ago,about the same time the chapman stick was comin out.do they still make chapman sticks?im going to do some surfin ...over and out. --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > anybody in this forum playing this bass-guitars? > http://www.novaxguitars.com/index.html > they seem ideal for looping! > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 06:07:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA5073BEDE; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V1xX6ATD3ZgOl5MgGtvGvYIGoe4sGUv6sJL5wY+2VGEVlLLeLUhJqVZXwG+fpMQX25KJtzVnK2vMGCsgoCkt68r/u7j3Tn/uHQqCuaj6SgOZFsUJGUHeivxcXD5VVikp5WOvtPSVNFgeGi4efIcEALtas99cinL0Si40uhI/I0o= ; Message-ID: <20060626060707.86984.qmail@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 23:07:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Novax Bass-guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060626045423.67266.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:07:10 +0000 (UTC) most certainly! http://www.stick.com/ cheers Luis --- daniel stevenson wrote: > wow those novax are nice.i would like to check > out > some of their double necks & acoustics.that 8 string > charlie hunter looks like a very interesting beast > to > unleash...LOL unleash the fury!hahahaha fuckin > yngwie, > what a ham. > hell yeah they do ideal for looping with,"good > heads up" i forgot all about novax,they seem to have > evolved vigorously i remember them from a long time > ago,about the same time the chapman stick was comin > out.do they still make chapman sticks?im going to do > some surfin ...over and out. > > --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > > anybody in this forum playing this bass-guitars? > > http://www.novaxguitars.com/index.html > > they seem ideal for looping! > > Luis > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 06:34:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15DF63BEDB; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060623182401.54140.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060623182401.54140.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 01:33:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab (was: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Oh my, oh my, oh my -- what in the world have I gotten myself into now... Welp, Mark, based on yours and Bill's impression of the Tonelab -- both here now as well as in the past -- I finally got myself down to the local guitar megagoogleplex today, and picked up a Tonelab of my very own. Now, I've spent the last, ohhhhhhh, let's say SEVEN HOURS just running through tweezing the presets and basking in all of its new gear, glowing tube goodiness. And all I can say right now is: wow! This is much, much more than I bargained for. I'd merely been thinking of something to punch up a somewhat flat powered monitor; something that could be dropped in as the last stage with a "set it and forget it" preset just to add some more warmth and dynamics to the overall mix. Okay, the Tonelab doesn't seem like it's going to fit the bill for that, and right now I really don't care. I'm now in the process of rearchitecting my pedalboard's signal path so that I can actually take better advantage of all the different tones which the little blue meanie is capable. My only regret is that it's gonna take me a year to really get my head around all the nuances within this box. Sure, the presets themselves are a snap, but since each of the different models really seem to play like real amps, its almost like learning each one as a new instrument. Very, very kewl box. Thanks again for the recommendation, guys!!! --m. At 11:24 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >The good thing about the tonelab is that you can >bypass the preamp or cab models if you'd like. I've >never tried keyboards but I run my acoustic guitar and >bass through it with pretty good results. Remember >most guitar preamps roll off quite quickly after 8K or >so and you're not going ot want your keyboard sounds >to do that.... or maybe you do. Low end wont' be an >issue, but bass has a drop-d bridge set up and it >seems to do fine. (I come out of the tonelab and go >into a Soundcraft board and on to Mackie studio >monitors.) > >If I remember I'll run the output of one of my synths >though it and see how it works. > >Mark > >--- mech wrote: > >> At 10:10 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >> > >> >Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a >> good >> >JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how >> now... >> >I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the >> key >> >was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or >> cab >> >modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results >> >when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know >> Kris >> >has a couple of) >> >> Hey Mark! Have you ever tried running keyboards or >> bass through your >> Tonelab? If so, how well did it take to processing >> instruments >> having a full-range of frequency content, especially >> the low end? >> >> I've got a powered PA monitor that I'd like to warm >> up a bit (Gemini >> GX-350; think of it as in the same ballpark as a >> Mackie or JBL Eon) >> and I'm thinking the Tonelab might give a better >> playing response >> than your average tube mic preamp. Dunno how well >> the Tonelab deals >> with a full frequency spectrum though... >> >> TIA! >> --m. >> -- >> _______ >> "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 08:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE5433BED5; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=S9D+JsMWvulIceozXIet8crf6e1MdBUjkDZLEcHzHdjmSBZqhaw3v54spXcBnwLb85gDnSasQR0b4pwub+JtaCqAyAFyUqzsCc5Hdemtz5qHPt+jDl+XYms6x8bImsRh9FGDusvVCv1glkcHCH1ENlV07/R2vKToMXWLlxvSxAc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060626035554.14384.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060626035554.14384.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:43:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:43:05 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jun 2006, at 05.55, mark sottilaro wrote: > However, my hope is to also use it live where it > provides sequenced beats and loops.... OK, and maybe a > VSTi every now and then. (Man I love grainstates!) Live would be perfect for that. The only issue with Live is to run it as the MIDI clock sync slave, but I know from your previous post that you prefer syncing your loopers and then you can let Live be the master clock. Regarding the price tag of Live you have to also look consider all those plug-ins you get with the application. Getting the same arsenal of effects as third-party VST plug-ins would cost a fortune. > Per, you're part of the > "Lewis and Clark" expedition (Early American explorers > to our non American pals. Who explored Sweden? Mark. I love your straight forward American attitude! I guess Sweden was explored by the guys that always have been hanging around here. A Swede (the viking Leif Eriksson) explored America about thousand years ago and another Swede went to the north pole about hundred years ago. Eventually the north pole guys was Norwegian... anyway not much difference, he froze to death and was later declared a Hero and Explorer ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 09:18:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A5503BEDF; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=DA56WtYYEMbWNlliCikE4VFQUr61On3FY5ZQtfqGUaMx6ZLOCJZeqnKZFEBAkCgruNb3yKQdjVQGOB1VlZ+AeTb5/lOAMzPXGow1hgRUG2eluXL04PTvd4p9y7OJabYvKJ2C5EoHHn8LY0AvtkAd0MPaxYzJ/x0fRcZL7W+ifOo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 02:17:51 -0700 From: "I P" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_55938_3643646.1151313471727" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:18:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_55938_3643646.1151313471727 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe ------=_Part_55938_3643646.1151313471727 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline unsubscribe
------=_Part_55938_3643646.1151313471727-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 09:19:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 965E53BEE4; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KACtCn0SBSohFLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060626101206.01ba9418@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:19:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Vst host was Mobius 2 now Bidule In-Reply-To: <20060625220047.EE0143BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060625220047.EE0143BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:19:13 +0000 (UTC) >Is anyone else here using Bidule? Not used it live, and not seriously for music, but use it to test plug-ins. Bidule is very efficient with processing power, let's you chain vst FX in any way you want, has excellent facilities for syncing whichever FX you want to together in groups, and can record to HD. It's not like Ableton which seems to be good for playing pre-arranged backing tracks, but it looks great for live work. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 09:21:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C67C3BEE1; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013b01c69901$f3adaba0$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <008401c696ff$25997a40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Lealoop Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:21:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2006 09:21:46.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2827210:01C69901] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:21:52 +0000 (UTC) ... please go and listen to his track Barnard's Loop (played on guitar and EDP) which > still gives me the goosebumps _every_ time. I like very much that song !!! thanks for share fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 11:04:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EA353BED5; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pB0bC4sQGzmONSzs8MTYlpETWtyC3dd5/Y2Qeheg/Wd/y73bL46EF0XEnOBwYdH+BWbkEstkXMA5MndLZ9/CMqTVdT0bD3vBqlrHTHnHly+qXGtCzDcYgHFcwe2IRxjWccePYoCmRJRdCeKkCan419qGtgVmxaW7NPxVZM7ZfLQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060626101206.01ba9418@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060625220047.EE0143BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060626101206.01ba9418@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vst host was Mobius 2 now Bidule Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:04:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <8KlV6.A.yXH.287nEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:04:23 +0000 (UTC) >> Is anyone else here using Bidule? On 26 jun 2006, at 11.19, a k butler wrote: > Not used it live, and not seriously for music, but use it to test > plug-ins. > > Bidule is very efficient with processing power, > let's you chain vst FX in any way you want, > has excellent facilities for syncing whichever FX > you want to together in groups, > and can record to HD. > > It's not like Ableton which seems to be good for playing pre- > arranged backing tracks, > but it looks great for live work. > > andy butler I was so impressed with Bidule that I payed for the new version. I especially like the fact that you can invest time into learning it without having to be forced into using either Windows or Mac in the future; Bidule is fully cross platform compatible. I have not yet found time to get deep with Bidule but I know that Matthias Loibner is very competent with it and uses it live to host Mobius and stack VST plug-in effects. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 12:18:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C86D73BEDD; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:18:31 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060626121831.113910@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Mobius on Mac someday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I really liked what I have seen of Mobius so far. Still, I just got myself a Mac and would like to be working on that platfrom. Any chance Mobius will be ported to Mac platform someday? Or anything like Linux"Mac trick? Would be really nice to see this functionality on the Mac. Currently, I've tried Mobius just on my business notebook. Maybe it will work on my old Win notebook. What are _realistic_ minimum hardware specs for a Mobius setup with 8 loops (notebook with Mobius - running nothing else... well... maybe some effects... ;-) Regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 13:37:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 047143BEAC; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rg7+wXxUB4iH6vVBBGG6GQ1HkWBPFxEtTwsoqzw745evl8xne4KMBuGUTL9FA44zeLZpIwCZ0Dc/WVaKofPd5E2wUIWnrS6yE+4TUVCRKL/yX9Z8np34QGMvyktbS9CwSrk0DYiamTViIghJe8y1R5dmqd9sjOLdO1fEm94bGzE= Message-ID: <50d04990606260637i535ef99cn@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:37:34 +0300 From: "Jenny Daskalaki" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: software or hardware??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody I am new to this forum... I need to know your opinions on this issue: We are a two (or sometimes three) man band playing many different instruments (drums, guitar, bass, flute , vocals, moog, percussion etc.). We like jamming so ideas come up during improvisation. We have a PC recording interface (Firepod) and a mixing desk. We need to be able to make loops while jamming without interrupting the performance. Recently we bought Boss rc 20 xl but it looks pooer to our expectations because: 1) Quantize affects ONLY the end of the loop phrase but the rest of it ,so you have to play it absolutely right!! 2) During overdubbing you only can delete your last phrase but you always listen to the previous on the stack. What I mean exactly: Let's say while you are jamming you start playing over an already recorded phrase. You come up with another phrase OK you overdub it, now you have two phrases (in the same phrase track), then you come up with a third one but gradually you want for example, to listen only to the first one and third one . Well you really can't do that. You can only delete the last phrase on the stack. And you will always be listening to the first one unless you completely change program! 3)Also, the most important is that when I try to change the tempo the sound becomes terribly damaged! (although there is no change of pitch) Is there a hardware setup that could achieve these or should we use software like Live Ableton in combination with midi foot controllers? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 13:38:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80EC33BEE6; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1151329116!43049815!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC937C@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: 2880 track questions... Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:38:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69925.D244C600" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:38:40 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69925.D244C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Man... that seems [snip] recockulous.<< indeed. still, it might be a good way to use up a lot of smaller cfc cards after upgrading a repeater or a digital camera... :-) my 2880 is in the hands of a work colleague who's promised to "review" it for me, since I had a genoqs octopus arrive at more-or-less the same time. I played with it long enough to notice that the sound quality was reasonable, but that functionally it comes nowhere near the repeater. in fact, it's probably closest to the looper part of the original jam-man, with some of the bob sellon recoding applied, perhaps. the four loops (or two stereo loops) are all the same length, obviously, but run at the same time instead of one after another. the thing therefore needs to be on a stand in front of the user so he can use the track sliders to bring loops in & out. the footswitch controller is thus also mandatory. I didn't use it long enough to suss the exact sequence of tapping required to make a loop exactly the length you want & go into overdub mode. if it can't do this, it's screwed as a looper, right? observational side-bar: most of the performing loopers I've seen who have to wait a bar before being able to overdub (i.e. their looper goes straight into play instead of overdub) have developed a bit of schtick whereby they make it clear to the audience that they are a) responsible for the noise you are hearing but that it's coming from a small box & b) as soon as they've "checked it back", they'll join in with it again. kt tunstall used to do this, & son of dave. I never saw anyone more at-ease with an unclocked jamman & a live drummer than christian "bic" hayes when he was in a band called levitation. back to the 2880: I can imagine a scenario wherein my guitarist would "prepare" a number of loops for a given piece, & mix them down to the separate stereo track in the thing, thus freeing up the four monos/two stereos for his (now not-so-)spontaneous live contributions to the same piece. he may even be able, on a darkened stage, to fumble the cfc cards in & out of the thing for different numbers. if we put luminous markings on them. but even on his best, least technophobic days, this workflow is going to be a bit of a chore, & is rather restrictive. & I still don't know if using an external midi clock locks you out of pitch-mangling on the thing. so we'd probably have to "tune-up" to his loops. not good, EH, not good. meanwhile, across the stage, I am loading loops from one cfc card into the ram of my repeater, copying them to another part of the same card, track-slipping them, pitch-shifting them, fine-tuning them, trimming them, reversing them, overdubbing them, undo-ing & redo-ing....... 'nuff said? I remember the first time I clapped eyes on a repeater. I remember being horrified at the garish, DJ-friendly look of the thing compared to our jammans, which were obviously for serious grown-up musicians & not aimed at people who dick around with turntables & get paid more than the people whose records they play. you'll be glad to hear I don't carry that attitude around with me much anymore, & in fact the first person I lent my repeater manual to was a DJ. trying to drum up some sales for them, y'see. damn I wish I'd bought six instead of two. duncan, equipment accumulator. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>Man... that seems [snip] recockulous.<<

indeed. still, it might be a good way to use up a lot of = smaller cfc cards after upgrading a repeater or a digital camera... :-)

my 2880 is in the hands of a work colleague who's promise= d to "review" it for me, since I had a genoqs octopus arrive at m= ore-or-less the same time. I played with it long enough to notice that the = sound quality was reasonable, but that functionally it comes nowhere near t= he repeater. in fact, it's probably closest to the looper part of the origi= nal jam-man, with some of the bob sellon recoding applied, perhaps.<= /P>

the four loops (or two stereo loops) are all the same len= gth, obviously, but run at the same time instead of one after another.

the thing therefore needs to be on a stand in front of th= e user so he can use the track sliders to bring loops in & out. the foo= tswitch controller is thus also mandatory. I didn't use it long enough to s= uss the exact sequence of tapping required to make a loop exactly the lengt= h you want & go into overdub mode. if it can't do this, it's screwed as= a looper, right?

observational side-bar:
most of the performing loopers I've seen who have to wai= t a bar before being able to overdub (i.e. their looper goes straight into = play instead of overdub) have developed a bit of schtick whereby they make = it clear to the audience that they are a) responsible for the noise you are= hearing but that it's coming from a small box & b) as soon as they've = "checked it back", they'll join in with it again. kt tunstall use= d to do this, & son of dave. I never saw anyone more at-ease with an un= clocked jamman & a live drummer than christian "bic" hayes wh= en he was in a band called levitation.

back to the 2880:
I can imagine a scenario wherein my guitarist would &quo= t;prepare" a number of loops for a given piece, & mix them down to= the separate stereo track in the thing, thus freeing up the four monos/two= stereos for his (now not-so-)spontaneous live contributions to the same pi= ece.

he may even be able, on a darkened stage, to fumble the c= fc cards in & out of the thing for different numbers. if we put luminou= s markings on them.

but even on his best, least technophobic days, this workf= low is going to be a bit of a chore, & is rather restrictive. & I s= till don't know if using an external midi clock locks you out of pitch-mang= ling on the thing. so we'd probably have to "tune-up" to his loop= s. not good, EH, not good.

meanwhile, across the stage, I am loading loops from one = cfc card into the ram of my repeater, copying them to another part of the s= ame card, track-slipping them, pitch-shifting them, fine-tuning them, trimm= ing them, reversing them, overdubbing them, undo-ing & redo-ing.......<= /FONT>

'nuff said?

I remember the first time I clapped eyes on a repeater. I= remember being horrified at the garish, DJ-friendly look of the thing comp= ared to our jammans, which were obviously for serious grown-up musicians &a= mp; not aimed at people who dick around with turntables & get paid more= than the people whose records they play. you'll be glad to hear I don't ca= rry that attitude around with me much anymore, & in fact the first pers= on I lent my repeater manual to was a DJ. trying to drum up some sales for = them, y'see.

damn I wish I'd bought six instead of two.

duncan, equipment accumulator.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C69925.D244C600-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 14:26:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13B393BED9; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZQo8ZA4BAaX3n+m5LrqFnDlKD2VWSozTdGfZUkEt4PJ6fSpLzGi+PGV2mdgx+CL/8G0H5X9UH8ORgXW70yuKA3BQY4UIYTWOxKzxnmgAT93hjt5NbKUb6XeV/mzD16+IgVGy7e0mHI8O20Gz32VgLoU5IcAXIrKZ79v+OSHA7Ro= In-Reply-To: <20060626121831.113910@gmx.net> References: <20060626121831.113910@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <97EDCDFE-E532-4A45-A7BC-9372DF9F3934@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:26:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:26:17 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jun 2006, at 14.18, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Any chance Mobius will be ported to Mac platform someday? Yes. Today - if you have one of those new Mac's that can run Windows XP as well (Boot Camp, not by emulation). Isn't that fab! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 14:30:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310353BEEA; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:30:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:30:47 +0000 (UTC) It's a blast, man...I'm just waiting for someone to create a VST host that is flexible enough to satisfy multiple user needs. Chainer, EnergyXT, Bidule...I've used them all, but they all have their pros and cons. I need a host that is simple and easy to configure, yet also provides a lot of flexibility. Chainer is easy to configure, but not flexible. And I know Jeff Kaiser is going to chime in here and say that MAX/MSP is the holy grail and key to our troubles, but I have not tested that yet. I'm sure it has its Achilles Heel...they all do. I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the touch of a button. I know Bidule does this, but I don't want to see all the blased VSTs on the screen. I want to set them up, configure each VST with its own preset, and then hide the sequence with nothing but a button or icon that will activate it when I want, and without it taking up CPU while it is hiding. This means a simple and uncluttered user interface...I emphasize uncluttered, as I don't want to see a bunch of VST plugin icons and tons of virtual wires strung all over my screen that looks like a rats nest. A module in this case would sort of be like a virtual rack. Or another way a host could handle this is for you to load up all the VSTs you want, including differenet versions with different presents, and store them in the background. Then you basically have a custom routing function of the host, where you can map the signal from one VST to another and save the whole sequence as a module. And then with one button push, I call up that module. I suppose the workaround would be to create multiple versions of Chainer, each of which would be my module of unique VST effects, save it, and then pop that custom Chainer module inside Energy XT....I have no idea whether that would work...a VST host inside another VST host. There could be some contention issues. One thing about EnergyXT that I think is a "bug" but probably a undesireable feature, is that the more VST plugins you load into it, the more slugglish it gets...even when they are not activiated. I find that odd. If I have 5 plugins on the screen, all not activated, it responds quickly to button presses, dragging the plugins around, etc. But if I have 50 plugins on my screen, which is what I have in Chainer, it gets really slow. There is a delay between pressing a button to activate a VST and it turning on, or when you drag a VST icon across the screen. I'd like to experiment with Bidule again, but I lost it when I reformatted my old notebook, and now the free version is no longer available on the Plogue website. I need to buy it, essentially. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > You know, I love this list. Man I'm soaking it all up > and loving every word. I'm on a lot of lists but this > is by FAR the best overall group in terms of just > knowledgable, smart and nice people. Krispen, I feel > like I'm on a very similar path as you and it's nice > that you're up in front. As much as I cringed when > you had issues with your vsts, I took it all in and > it's been a tremendous help. Per, you're part of the > "Lewis and Clark" expedition (Early American explorers > to our non American pals. Who explored Sweden? I > have no idea... I should ;) ) that's helping my > "Louisinia Purchase" > > Thanks again kids. > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I like Chainer because of the simplicity. Within >> minutes you can pop your >> VSTs in it, add Mobius at the end, and be playing. >> But I wish it had more >> routing capability rather than going from one VST to >> another...that's that >> "chain" of the Chainer. EnergyXT has more routing >> capability, and it has >> sequence capaiblity as well, I believe. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark sottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:50 AM >> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 >> >> >> > On the topic of Mobius, why do you like Chainer as >> a >> > vst host? I know Per loves Live but I'm not sure >> if I >> > need or would use all it's functionality. I'd >> rather >> > have something that has some midi >> editing/sequencing >> > ability. I'm checking out Tracktion right now but >> I'm >> > curioius. >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 14:37:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E61723BEF4; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Mobius on Mac someday? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:36:57 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c6992d$fd277f40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <97EDCDFE-E532-4A45-A7BC-9372DF9F3934@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Can Windows XP painlessly access the audio and midi interfaces connected to the mac hardware? It seems so, from this document http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303572 Has anyone tried it? B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Montag, 26. Juni 2006 16:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? > > > On 26 jun 2006, at 14.18, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > Any chance Mobius will be ported to Mac platform someday? > > > Yes. Today - if you have one of those new Mac's that can run Windows > XP as well (Boot Camp, not by emulation). Isn't that fab! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 14:38:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57FE33BECD; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08d201c6992e$34711790$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060625220047.EE0143BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060626101206.01ba9418@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Vst host was Mobius 2 now Bidule Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:38:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Bidule never seemed that processor efficient to me when I was using it. I did some comparisons between it, Energy, and Chained, and it seems to suck up a bit more power just by itself with no VSTs activated, which makes sense given that it is more sophisticated. I found that the processor indicator bar would max out much easier than with my other two hosts. Although that was with my old notebook. I'm sure it would work great with my ThinkPad now. This is why I keep coming back to Chainer. By itself, it seems to require very little CPU, and I've been able to load up multiple complex VSTs, like Reaktor metaphysical, PSP84, reverb, chorus, and delay VSTs, and Mobius, and still be under 50% CPU utilization. Before when I did that on Bidule, the CPU bar hit the roof. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 3:19 AM Subject: Re:Vst host was Mobius 2 now Bidule > >>Is anyone else here using Bidule? > > Not used it live, and not seriously for music, but use it to test > plug-ins. > > Bidule is very efficient with processing power, > let's you chain vst FX in any way you want, > has excellent facilities for syncing whichever FX > you want to together in groups, > and can record to HD. > > It's not like Ableton which seems to be good for playing pre-arranged > backing tracks, > but it looks great for live work. > > andy butler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 14:43:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9B43BEFF; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002001c6992d$fd277f40$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002001c6992d$fd277f40$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:44:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Can Windows XP painlessly access the audio and midi interfaces connected to > the mac hardware? Yes, I've tested Mobius on a MacBook Pro. I used the internal audio chip but I would expect it to work with a firewire interface too. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 15:19:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29A763BEE1; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:19:12 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <50d04990606260637i535ef99cn@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060626151912.20240@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <50d04990606260637i535ef99cn@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: software or hardware??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jenny > Is there a hardware setup that could achieve these or should we use > software like Live Ableton in combination with midi foot controllers? Yes, you are searching for the HOLY GRAIL OF LOOPING. I'm looking for that, too. Still haven't found an answer yet... Let's see what the experts on this group have to say to this... :-) Btw, recently I've noticed one more aspect why I want to avoid hardware when playing in real-time: Whenever I have a computer running, there are some additional thoughts have nothing to do with the music I'm playing, like: should I log-in and check my mail? Should I run a virus update?... Always, there seems to be some parts of my brain occupied with such distracting thoughts... You don't have that with hardware! But still, I guess in the long run, software will reach a stability, variety and accessibility where there will be no HW alternative. But I believe we're not there - yet. Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 15:26:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AE573BED6; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:26:31 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <97EDCDFE-E532-4A45-A7BC-9372DF9F3934@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060626152631.20220@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060626121831.113910@gmx.net> <97EDCDFE-E532-4A45-A7BC-9372DF9F3934@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi > > Any chance Mobius will be ported to Mac platform someday? > Yes. Today - if you have one of those new Mac's that can run Windows > XP as well (Boot Camp, not by emulation). Isn't that fab! well, this wouldn't _really_ solve the problem for me. One thing, I don't want to run Windows on my Mac. The other is: it should work together with my other SW on Mac (like your LogicPro, Per ;-) Do you think there is a way to run it within Virtualization (i.e. Parallels) on Mac? Of course, boot camp is better than nothing... Maybe someone can buy the Möbius developer or someone else to port this...? Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 15:52:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 300C93BEE2; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gLDnGfLMtndl6drEV9JktCNdIb8F0Ijf9DhQv5s5S15SM27IHNiMaaPDyFpfHp0IS1wAsjNrN2amP1UsHz4/q66i3jHvhjqPdzo5diB7egcKZmtpWdklO+vrkx0XqC9SGHsvHERw1h4a71lsTuUYre4pK3u5VRWVizSoZyX7a+U= Message-ID: <50d04990606260851h5d91db08v@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:51:57 +0300 From: "Jenny Daskalaki" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software or hardware??? In-Reply-To: <20060626151912.20240@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <50d04990606260637i535ef99cn@mail.gmail.com> <20060626151912.20240@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:52:00 +0000 (UTC) If not the "holy grail" Iam looking for the most convenient way to improvize while jamming. I want the easiest way to record loops "on the fly" , playback, overdub, choose which one stops and which one goes on all these functions without need to interrupt the whole performance, using foot pedals mainly. 2006/6/26, Buzap Buzap : > Hi Jenny > > > Is there a hardware setup that could achieve these or should we use > > software like Live Ableton in combination with midi foot controllers? > Yes, you are searching for the HOLY GRAIL OF LOOPING. > > I'm looking for that, too. Still haven't found an answer yet... > > Let's see what the experts on this group have to say to this... :-) > Btw, recently I've noticed one more aspect why I want to avoid hardware w= hen playing in real-time: > Whenever I have a computer running, there are some additional thoughts ha= ve nothing to do with the music I'm playing, like: should I log-in and chec= k my mail? Should I run a virus update?... > Always, there seems to be some parts of my brain occupied with such distr= acting thoughts... > You don't have that with hardware! > > But still, I guess in the long run, software will reach a stability, vari= ety and accessibility where there will be no HW alternative. But I believe = we're not there - yet. > > Buzap > > -- > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 15:52:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 005913BEFC; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YQymksyGADecRSWHa/YiyqbQjo8Hu4R/B9K8OwuIpqKbcmkTrCFAs3TK+2x7oTnVR9lTCCqm0onDzNg6KvV6xV8mQdQNszf9L5IfFKNZKTxEnGaDHJWY8XAPkrAIDRdRQ55Sqbks2mRAwya7MvY5aowAs5x09gAKkYjN001+ewQ= In-Reply-To: <20060626152631.20220@gmx.net> References: <20060626121831.113910@gmx.net> <97EDCDFE-E532-4A45-A7BC-9372DF9F3934@gmail.com> <20060626152631.20220@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8794C1FC-4FBE-49BF-8DE1-8690D6CA58A4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:52:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:52:41 +0000 (UTC) > Hi > >>> Any chance Mobius will be ported to Mac platform someday? >> Yes. Today - if you have one of those new Mac's that can run Windows >> XP as well (Boot Camp, not by emulation). Isn't that fab! > On 26 jun 2006, at 17.26, Buzap Buzap wrote: > well, this wouldn't _really_ solve the problem for me. One thing, I =20= > don't want to run Windows on my Mac. Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to hurt... ;-) I'd love to do that though, =20 because then I wouldn't have to keep a PC on the side for running =20 windows. > The other is: it should work together with my other SW on Mac (like =20= > your LogicPro, Per ;-) I've been thinking about this too, and I guess I will always be =20 running Mobius on a separate machine. Most of my other music software =20= run in OSX. I use to MIDI sync projects in Logic (Mac) with Mobius =20 (Win). Usually I simply use the excellent Record Audio function in =20 Mobius and move the rendered audio file over the network (or on an =20 USB stick or an external FW drive) to the Logic Mac. But it would be fantastic if Mobius did really run in OSX so you =20 could mangle all Mobius tracks in real-time through Logics effects! =20 (Not for concert though, but for studio production) > Do you think there is a way to run it within Virtualization (i.e. =20 > Parallels) on Mac? I've heard reports from people that tried that this is too slow for =20 most audio applicaitons. > Of course, boot camp is better than nothing... > Maybe someone can buy the M=F6bius developer or someone else to port =20= > this...? You mean that we collectively raise money and buy Jeff Larson a =20 Macbook if he does the port? ;-) Like "a group buy"? Nice =20 idea... ;-)))) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 16:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 977BC3BEDE; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jm26M6AOcCCM3AxeX0zPyXe+1DzdlM+e/yoFvxl9sGUY1JiLpTlMqqEZfqxoKrsPem1yiGUXheGwNNdCx3tzCMrbyo2dm58oOtXmuM90xAlNJojnAs1Ck4WMaQdVefJTd/dwUMNCh14pTWrsZWaxg9CpEPLN0u8J/qO+3dY/YyU= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:23:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mobius part 2 Thread-Index: AcaZPOcLJW4U3AUwEdunEwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2lFcpC.A.pcG.YoAoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Yes, it does have an achilles heel. It's a learning curve which at least for me reaches to heaven. The other thing it's got is a severely addictive property. Once you go max= , you never go bax... All best, T. On 6/26/06 10:30 AM, "Krispen Hartung" wrote: > Jeff Kaiser is going to chime in here and say that MAX/MSP is the holy gr= ail > and key to our troubles, but I have not tested that yet. I'm sure it has > its Achilles Heel...they all do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 16:30:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B5863BEE1; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: Electrix Repeater for Sale Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:30:59 -0700 Organization: Sudden Insight Message-ID: <00c301c6993d$e8a107c0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060626035554.14384.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaY1G3YLfn2uiRZQLKPZt6C9mBtpgAaCSXQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Used to be here all the time 4 or 5 years ago. I've been lurking here the past week or two, and it's good to be back. With all the recent for sale posts I've seen on this list, I just wanted to let everyone know that I have an Electrix Repeater up for sale on eBay too. It's here at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7424189567&rd=1&sspagenam e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 The box is in truly excellent condition as you can see from the many pictures, and even has the collector's item mis-labeled 16 MB CFC. This box is from the first batch produced but I did update the OS to 1.1. Sadly, I've hardly ever used it because I have Gibson and Roland echo units. Anyway, someone will be making quite the score here if you're looking for such a thing... I also have a Digitech BP-8 Bass Preamp / Processor. This is a foot controller for bass. Very good condition. Someone is going to steal this box if I can't get the bids up. :-) Check it out here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7424184477&rd=1&sspagenam e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Anyway, wish you all the best and it's good to see that this list remains so vibrant! Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 16:31:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DFDA3BEC5; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,176,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="507212220:sNHT934087714" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) References: <090101c6992e$66dcce90$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--913902732 Message-Id: <0286B244-E28F-4092-A9FC-28B341E61F17@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:31:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:31:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--913902732 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed FYI... Begin forwarded message: > > On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Do you have any sound samples of Reaktor only effects? > > > > Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file: > > http://snipurl.com/sagw-SMTYK > > It=92s an audio =93screen shot=94 of a few tracks that I started up, = then =20 > clicked around in, to create realtime snippets. All are Reaktor-=20 > only fx from straight guitar input. > > > dc > > --Apple-Mail-1--913902732 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 FYI...

Begin = forwarded message:


On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, = Krispen Hartung wrote:
Do you have any = sound samples of Reaktor only = effects?




Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file:


It=92s an audio =93screen = shot=94 of a few tracks that I started up, then clicked around in, to = create realtime snippets. All are Reaktor-only fx from straight guitar = input.


dc



<= /HTML>= --Apple-Mail-1--913902732-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 16:34:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF6C3BEFE; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,176,1149490800"; d="scan'208"; a="89354049:sNHT19051970" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: software or hardware??? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:32:53 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: software or hardware??? thread-index: AcaZPiwZwH2ZknNcShOkOcbR8juSkA== From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2006 16:32:54.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C895E60:01C6993E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:34:06 +0000 (UTC) I believe the Looperlative, or Repeater will do what you want.=20 -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Daskalaki [mailto:jendask@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software or hardware??? If not the "holy grail" Iam looking for the most convenient way to improvize while jamming. I want the easiest way to record loops "on the fly" , playback, overdub, choose which one stops and which one goes on all these functions without need to interrupt the whole performance, using foot pedals mainly. 2006/6/26, Buzap Buzap : > Hi Jenny > > > Is there a hardware setup that could achieve these or should we use > > software like Live Ableton in combination with midi foot = controllers? > Yes, you are searching for the HOLY GRAIL OF LOOPING. > > I'm looking for that, too. Still haven't found an answer yet... > > Let's see what the experts on this group have to say to this... :-) > Btw, recently I've noticed one more aspect why I want to avoid = hardware when playing in real-time: > Whenever I have a computer running, there are some additional thoughts = have nothing to do with the music I'm playing, like: should I log-in and = check my mail? Should I run a virus update?... > Always, there seems to be some parts of my brain occupied with such = distracting thoughts... > You don't have that with hardware! > > But still, I guess in the long run, software will reach a stability, = variety and accessibility where there will be no HW alternative. But I = believe we're not there - yet. > > Buzap > > -- > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 16:35:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE8DA3BEEC; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <091f01c6993e$7accebf0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:35:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <8pSM7B.A.hNH.7yAoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:35:07 +0000 (UTC) > The other thing it's got is a severely addictive property. Once you go > max, you never go bax... Ah hah, that explains why when I was watching Jeff play in person, he was hitting the buttons on his keyboard the same way those rats hit the button in their cages to get more heroin. :) Sorry Jeff, I couldn't resist poking fun with the analogy. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Reynolds" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Yes, it does have an achilles heel. It's a learning curve which at least for me reaches to heaven. The other thing it's got is a severely addictive property. Once you go max, you never go bax... All best, T. On 6/26/06 10:30 AM, "Krispen Hartung" wrote: > Jeff Kaiser is going to chime in here and say that MAX/MSP is the holy > grail > and key to our troubles, but I have not tested that yet. I'm sure it has > its Achilles Heel...they all do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter ³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 16:43:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AEFC3BF0C; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nIpaPq2kvvTj7YyQ4v0kC1TSjayhcahjDmiPOi1hZ3ESPrKuPWCQHKnWC5z16GTRmMF7J2HgqU7H4r3wF/hK8h2H3DmbKHxzuQktPCUH2dfwKEsFbAldu0CBvvSVBjU3Cp/CqwjwQ3+qSQsnhb/tOsKjRstWnKPG4hFBHLvpDFE= In-Reply-To: <091f01c6993e$7accebf0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <091f01c6993e$7accebf0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Heroin Loopers (was Mob Part 2) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:43:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:43:17 +0000 (UTC) >> The other thing it's got is a severely addictive property. Once >> you go max, > you never go bax... > On 26 jun 2006, at 18.35, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ah hah, that explains why when I was watching Jeff play in person, > he was hitting the buttons on his keyboard the same way those rats > hit the button in their cages to get more heroin. :) Sorry Jeff, I > couldn't resist poking fun with the analogy. > > Kris Very funny, Kris! Now I really need to catch up a Kaiser gig some day!!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 16:46:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 217343BF02; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <093201c69940$1a540b30$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <090101c6992e$66dcce90$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0286B244-E28F-4092-A9FC-28B341E61F17@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:46:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_092D_01C6990D.CED46B50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_092D_01C6990D.CED46B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going to try to provide an MP3 snapshot of my computer VST effect = system this week. Basically, I plan to record a few seconds of each of = my VST plugins with the most common presets I use with them (which are = default). I will list the VSTs as well....should be fun. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, = and PCM81 FYI... Begin forwarded message: On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Do you have any sound samples of Reaktor only effects? Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file: http://snipurl.com/sagw-SMTYK It=92s an audio =93screen shot=94 of a few tracks that I started = up, then clicked around in, to create realtime snippets. All are = Reaktor-only fx from straight guitar input. dc ------=_NextPart_000_092D_01C6990D.CED46B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am going to try to provide an MP3 = snapshot of my=20 computer VST effect system this week. Basically, I plan to record a few = seconds=20 of each of my VST plugins with the most common presets I use with them = (which=20 are default).  I will list the VSTs as well....should be=20 fun.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 10:31=20 AM
Subject: Reaktor FX, Was: = Thoughts on the=20 Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

FYI...

Begin forwarded message:


On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
Do you have=20 any sound samples of Reaktor only=20 = effects?



Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file:


It=92s an audio =93screen shot=94 of a few tracks that I = started up, then=20 clicked around in, to create realtime snippets. All are = Reaktor-only fx=20 from straight guitar input.


dc


------=_NextPart_000_092D_01C6990D.CED46B50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:01:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B55883BF16; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Mobius on Mac someday? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:01:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <8794C1FC-4FBE-49BF-8DE1-8690D6CA58A4@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mobius on Mac someday? Thread-Index: AcaZOI8dYklFlfJVS/C8Oo7Dl40wkwABrFFQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 > > Maybe someone can buy the M=F6bius developer or someone else to port = =20 > > this...? >=20 > You mean that we collectively raise money and buy Jeff Larson a =20 > Macbook if he does the port? ;-) I appreciate the offer, but it's going to take a lot more than a MacBook :-) It isn't a hardware issue, I already have a Mac. It's just really complicated. The UI will have to be almost totally rewritten, there is some very complicated memory management code that needs to be redesigned, and testing plugin hosts, whether VST or AU, tends to suck the life out of you. It may happen someday, but I would much rather work through some of the other big items on the development list. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:03:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADAED3BF08; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:03:50 -0700 Organization: Sudden Insight Message-ID: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C69907.D2C6E9F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <093201c69940$1a540b30$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaZQBvMG6/dvz7STLSReXbOW11qyQAAh1AQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:03:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C69907.D2C6E9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some pretty nice stuff DC/Kris. Wish some of the pieces were longer and more fully developed but sounds great in pseudo-surround. I have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... thanks for the suggestion. Kevin _____ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 I am going to try to provide an MP3 snapshot of my computer VST effect system this week. Basically, I plan to record a few seconds of each of my VST plugins with the most common presets I use with them (which are default). I will list the VSTs as well....should be fun. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 FYI... Begin forwarded message: On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Do you have any sound samples of Reaktor only effects? Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file: http://snipurl.com/sagw-SMTYK It's an audio "screen shot" of a few tracks that I started up, then clicked around in, to create realtime snippets. All are Reaktor-only fx from straight guitar input. dc ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C69907.D2C6E9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some pretty nice stuff DC/Kris. Wish some of = the pieces=20 were longer and more fully developed but sounds great in = pseudo-surround. I have=20 never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... thanks = for the=20 suggestion.
 
Kevin

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 9:47=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and=20 PCM81

I am going to try to provide an MP3 = snapshot of=20 my computer VST effect system this week. Basically, I plan to record a = few=20 seconds of each of my VST plugins with the most common presets I use = with them=20 (which are default).  I will list the VSTs as well....should be=20 fun.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 10:31=20 AM
Subject: Reaktor FX, Was: = Thoughts on=20 the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

FYI...

Begin forwarded message:


On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
Do you=20 have any sound samples of Reaktor only=20 = effects?



Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file:=20


It’s an audio “screen shot” of a few = tracks that I started up, then=20 clicked around in, to create realtime snippets. All are = Reaktor-only fx=20 from straight guitar input.


dc


------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C69907.D2C6E9F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:07:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE6313BEF9; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <095601c69942$f2eae750$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:07:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0951_01C69910.A741ED80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0951_01C69910.A741ED80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't take credit for those clips, but I'll come up with my own VST = system clips soon. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin Mulvihill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: RE: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, = G-Force, and PCM81 Some pretty nice stuff DC/Kris. Wish some of the pieces were longer = and more fully developed but sounds great in pseudo-surround. I have = never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... thanks = for the suggestion. Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, = G-Force, and PCM81 I am going to try to provide an MP3 snapshot of my computer VST = effect system this week. Basically, I plan to record a few seconds of = each of my VST plugins with the most common presets I use with them = (which are default). I will list the VSTs as well....should be fun. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, = G-Force, and PCM81 FYI... Begin forwarded message: On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Do you have any sound samples of Reaktor only effects? Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file:=20 http://snipurl.com/sagw-SMTYK It's an audio "screen shot" of a few tracks that I started up, = then clicked around in, to create realtime snippets. All are = Reaktor-only fx from straight guitar input. dc ------=_NextPart_000_0951_01C69910.A741ED80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can't take credit for those clips, = but I'll come=20 up with my own VST system clips soon.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kevin=20 Mulvihill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 11:03=20 AM
Subject: RE: Reaktor FX, Was: = Thoughts on=20 the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

Some pretty nice stuff DC/Kris. Wish some of = the pieces=20 were longer and more fully developed but sounds great in = pseudo-surround. I=20 have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... = thanks=20 for the suggestion.
 
Kevin

From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, June 26, = 2006 9:47=20 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and = PCM81

I am going to try to provide an MP3 = snapshot of=20 my computer VST effect system this week. Basically, I plan to record = a few=20 seconds of each of my VST plugins with the most common presets I use = with=20 them (which are default).  I will list the VSTs as = well....should be=20 fun.

Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 10:31=20 AM
Subject: Reaktor FX, Was: = Thoughts on=20 the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

FYI...

Begin forwarded message:


On Jun 25, 2006, at 7:52 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
Do you=20 have any sound samples of Reaktor only=20 = effects?


Well, I just happen to have this mp3 file:=20


It=92s an audio =93screen shot=94 of a few tracks that I = started up,=20 then clicked around in, to create realtime snippets. All are=20 Reaktor-only fx from straight guitar input.


dc


------=_NextPart_000_0951_01C69910.A741ED80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:18:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADE203BF17; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,176,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="215783081:sNHT25835464" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--911048158 Message-Id: <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:18:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:18:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--911048158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial here: http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > I have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that > now... thanks for the suggestion. --Apple-Mail-2--911048158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
You can = download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial here:
http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S
On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill = wrote:

I = have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... = thanks for the = suggestion.

= --Apple-Mail-2--911048158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:21:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F161F3BF08; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--910866777 Message-Id: <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:21:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:21:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--910866777 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jun 26, 2006, at 1:01 PM, jeff larson wrote: > I appreciate the offer, but it's going to take a lot more than > a MacBook :-) i don't recall if this was mentioned in past max-related posts, but there is a quite powerful max-based app called "lloopp" that is worth checking out. klaus filip made it, maintains it, and runs a mailing list for support. and it's free. like max, it has a learning curve, but what doesn't these days? http://lloopp.klingt.org cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick --Apple-Mail-11--910866777 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jun 26, 2006, = at 1:01 PM, jeff larson wrote:

I appreciate the offer, but = it's going to take a lot more than

a MacBook :-)


i don't recall if this was = mentioned in past max-related posts,
but there is a quite = powerful max-based app called "lloopp"
that is worth checking = out.=A0 klaus filip made it, maintains it,
and runs a mailing = list for support. and it's free. like max, it
has a learning = curve, but what doesn't these days?

<= BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder">
cheers
bruce
<= BR>

bruce = tovsky

www.skeletonhome.com


=

"Sometimes the appropriate = response to reality is to go insane."

Philip K. Dick

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= --Apple-Mail-11--910866777-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:31:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B463BF17; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6e0daf034d65b5d45a0b319f9fd67438@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:31:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <61oaJD.A.e6C.NoBoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:31:57 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a > seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the > touch of a button. dood. max/msp. I do this with my rig.....I'll give you a walk through next week in boise....I'll be there july 4-17....... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:34:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596043BF27; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:34:17 -0700 Organization: Sudden Insight Message-ID: <00fb01c69946$c03a1430$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C6990C.13DB3C30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <723261C6-5465-4C5B-ABD9-DDAAADC909B4@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaZRJj6C1YHGibjQC2pmM1JvC7O+wAAafhg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C6990C.13DB3C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I have never worked with Reaktor too much because of the learning curve and my limited time. But I must say 'THANKS' for taking the time to create such a tutorial. It is exactly what is needed. I know it also took a lot of effort to put that together, and I am so appreciative of what you've done. It's truly a gift to the community. Kevin _____ From: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial here: http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: I have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... thanks for the suggestion. ------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C6990C.13DB3C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
David,
 
I have never worked with Reaktor too much = because of the=20 learning curve and my limited time. But I must say 'THANKS' for taking = the time=20 to create such a tutorial. It is exactly what is needed. I know it also = took a=20 lot of effort to put that together, and I am so appreciative of what = you've=20 done. It's truly a gift to the community.
 
Kevin
 

 
From: David Coffin=20 [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 = 10:19=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and=20 PCM81

You can download my Reaktor FX pdf tutorial = here:

http://snipurl.com/s9xt-ELG0S<= /DIV>
On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:
I = have=20 never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that now... = thanks for=20 the=20 suggestion.

------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C6990C.13DB3C30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:34:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B3423BF2F; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09b101c69946$c3cab500$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6e0daf034d65b5d45a0b319f9fd67438@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:34:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Great. I look forward to it! Make a believer out of me. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a >> seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the >> touch of a button. > > > dood. max/msp. > > I do this with my rig.....I'll give you a walk through next week in > boise....I'll be there july 4-17....... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:47:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF26F3BF18; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAMe5n0SBS4hO Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060626184221.01bbc340@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:47:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Bidule for Krispen In-Reply-To: <20060626162353.404883BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060626162353.404883BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) At 17:23 26/06/2006, you wrote: >I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a >seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the >touch of a button. I know Bidule does this, but I don't want to see >all the blased VSTs on the screen. You can put a whole load of FX into a group in Bidule, and then it appears as a single box. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:47:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 606533BF2B; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LFH0CEFTtGmi29uBAv+qIY+nrjSLYpx/wgWtFqlmMPsB0/zvwuB6kjJFu5jbRTc4a2aIdmy0GqITEnh/oenpi/U4Y4/BkwhO2nMN4uMPAnTVJEthvyvsy1Jz4uMP+cKz41DQ5rnLdjIoIO2uYCHzItHJX3dY71jAST0khUxvkAQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:47:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:47:14 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jun 2006, at 19.03, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > Some pretty nice stuff DC/Kris. Wish some of the pieces were longer > and more fully developed but sounds great in pseudo-surround. I > have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I will try that > now... thanks for the suggestion. > > Kevin Check out this one then: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Playing_Guitar_Solo_Through_My_Laptop.mp3 It's a stratocaster plugged directly into a laptop. Oh, I was also using my Ibanexz Tube Screamer pedal to crank the input level to match the Indigo soundcard's input level. The rest is all software; looping in Augustus Loop plug-in (OS X), Ableton Live's built-in reverb and some Cycling 74 plug-ins (Pluggo "Rye" and "SpeedShifter"). Pitch Shifting "played" from FCB1010 controlling Agusustus Loop pitch. The "jumping-up-n-down" pitch transpose sequences are MIDI loops that when launched from the foot pedal trigger the Loop pitch into whole note etc scales (done in overdub looping mode, very fun!). And this other piece is no looping at all - only overdubbing. To be exact: 176 guitar solos overdubbed ;-)) http://www.boysen.se/audio/176_G5_Stratocasters.mp3 (not precisely beautiful, but one day in the test lab I had to find the upper audio track limit of the G5) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:47:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E0E3BF22; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1671.128.193.37.230.1151344061.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <00c301c6993d$e8a107c0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> References: <20060626035554.14384.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c301c6993d$e8a107c0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater for Sale From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:47:43 +0000 (UTC) > With all the recent for sale posts I've seen on this list, I just wanted to > let everyone know that I have an Electrix Repeater up for sale on eBay too. > It's here at: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7424189567 What's the reserve on the unit? Cheers, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 17:56:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319E93BF04; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09c001c69949$d78a5f70$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060626162353.404883BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060626184221.01bbc340@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:56:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4eRtO.A.QQE.L_BoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:56:28 +0000 (UTC) I guess I need to get th new version of Bidule too.... the list just keep growing and growing. :) Thanks, Andy. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Bidule for Krispen > At 17:23 26/06/2006, you wrote: >>I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a >>seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the touch >>of a button. I know Bidule does this, but I don't want to see all the >>blased VSTs on the screen. > > You can put a whole load of FX into a group in Bidule, and then it appears > as a single box. > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5E783BF1A; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZPUriN9cheNT/qzzOvaDV1DxoGgZjGEL3/X0Bq+vljGw3FK1J46+JmQB2A+rIK/t; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200661261886270@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Crate (was Mesa Boogie) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:08:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94069fd3bbc22538116b88833611f9dbb18350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.169 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:04:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Crate stopped making crappy amps about ten years ago when they rolled out their vintage-lookalike tube-powered line (white Tolex, gold hardware). They were a little shrill for single coils, but I've seen Andres Wilson drive his humbucker-equipped Startocaster through one on several occasions and it just melted my face each time... in a good way. Yeah, I know a lot of it is in the hands, but my point is that Crate started earning respect way back in the mid '90s, so I plan to at least test-drive one of these Powerblocks when I get the chance, and I'll report back when I do. Peace, Tim "Will Work for Stompboxes" Mungenast www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ditch wrestler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 6/24/2006 11:02:12 PM Subject: Crate (was Mesa Boogie) I'm wondering if anybody here has tried out the Crate Powerblock amp? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Crate-CPB150-PowerBlock-Stereo-Guitar-Amp?sku=487829 I haven't tried one myself but I'm wondering if I'm already fighting a bit of a battle tone-wise since I'm a bassist. I'm sure I'd need to use my ART pre-amp when was using it with my double bass but hopefully it wouldn't be a problem with my electric's (active emg's in both). ted harms. Joshua Carroll wrote: As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played through the Crate V-Series amps? I know, I know. Crate? Really? Yep... Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Crate stopped making crappy amps about ten years ago when they rolled out their vintage-lookalike  tube-powered line (white Tolex, gold hardware). They were a little shrill for single coils, but I've seen Andres Wilson drive his humbucker-equipped Startocaster through one on several occasions and it just melted my face each time... in a good way. 
 
 Yeah, I know a lot of it is in the hands, but my point is that Crate started earning respect way back in the mid '90s, so I plan to at least test-drive one of these Powerblocks when I get the chance, and I'll report back when I do.
Peace,
Tim "Will Work for Stompboxes" Mungenast
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 6/24/2006 11:02:12 PM
Subject: Crate (was Mesa Boogie)

I'm wondering if anybody here has tried out the Crate Powerblock amp?
 
 
I haven't tried one myself but I'm wondering if I'm already fighting a bit of a battle tone-wise since I'm a bassist.  I'm sure I'd need to use my ART pre-amp when was using it with my double bass but hopefully it wouldn't be a problem with my electric's (active emg's in both).
 
 
ted harms.

Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
As long as we're talking guitar amps, has anyone else here played through the Crate V-Series amps?  I know, I know.  Crate?  Really?  Yep...

Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there’s much more to come.
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:07:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7CE23BF2E; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CkGa0Va+fvDsdFtoocm00AGKIDOsUdWslqJRi7+A+nBCHE+iiOYfQ4Cs6IIFz8RsBi5ox4RSzLcrAj/qfGxgX5eaC5y2bP6LSxXp70d6S/KbHu8pYmf8xn2GDvTSg6dw57/MHX9MBtcQdvwgZpCzXrxqGFb3dPreeRaEGxKsOAU= ; Message-ID: <20060626180706.84416.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Mobius/VST/VSTi host-sequencer with external sync? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:07:07 +0000 (UTC) In my search for a one app solution to sync two computers (a Mac running Digital Performer 4.6.1 to a PC running...) I've been checking out a few apps (So far Traction 2 and EnergyXT) I'm finding that they don't support sync from an external midi clock. Does anyone have any experience getting a sequencer synced from a midi clock originating outside the computer? Per, maybe you're right about Live being the app I need. I remember I was totally able to get it synced to Digital Performer in an older version of it. Worked perfectly. Shame the "Lite" version I got with my audio interface doesn't support MIDI sync. I'd love to be able to check it out before I spend the cash. I guess another option, I can get Chainer or Max/MSP to act as a vst host that'll respond to midi in from another device it won't matter. Damn, EnergyXT looked good too, so close to what I want. Again it may work in my standalone laptop system as long as it can send sync to external devices. I'd love to here any ideas or experiences with doing inter computer sync. I've also been hearing about MIDI over ethernet that sound like a promising alternative. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 jun 2006, at 05.55, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > However, my hope is to also use it live where it > > provides sequenced beats and loops.... OK, and > maybe a > > VSTi every now and then. (Man I love > grainstates!) > > > Live would be perfect for that. The only issue with > Live is to run it > as the MIDI clock sync slave, but I know from your > previous post that > you prefer syncing your loopers and then you can let > Live be the > master clock. Regarding the price tag of Live you > have to also look > consider all those plug-ins you get with the > application. Getting the > same arsenal of effects as third-party VST plug-ins > would cost a > fortune. > > > Per, you're part of the > > "Lewis and Clark" expedition (Early American > explorers > > to our non American pals. Who explored Sweden? > > Mark. I love your straight forward American > attitude! I guess Sweden > was explored by the guys that always have been > hanging around here. A > Swede (the viking Leif Eriksson) explored America > about thousand > years ago and another Swede went to the north pole > about hundred > years ago. Eventually the north pole guys was > Norwegian... anyway not > much difference, he froze to death and was later > declared a Hero and > Explorer ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 236E83BF29; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44A023E2.9060109@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:13:54 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6e0daf034d65b5d45a0b319f9fd67438@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <6e0daf034d65b5d45a0b319f9fd67438@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a >> seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the >> touch of a button. > > > dood. max/msp. > > I do this with my rig.....I'll give you a walk through next week in > boise....I'll be there july 4-17....... > The vst implementation in MaxMSP is nothing short of stunning... You can litteraly sequence/randomize/group/modify *everything*, including loading of vst plugins, saving of patches etc. Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654443BF3E; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:30:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:26:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > And I know Jeff Kaiser is going to chime in here and say that MAX/MSP > is the holy grail and key to our troubles, but I have not tested that > yet. I've been reading these posts and THINKING that.....but, wait....you all have to figure it out on your own.....I've said my piece before....max has changed my life.... and it is cross platform.... :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:28:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11333BF07; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=47oz2TrIQ020WD30QEbp8iLLW8MPFnmNZPY7OkLYrDTgxAjAfvyDb63Z7KE2rpnmURz/equZ3G9DFiYk5jy2EVvFwyfOstTiRG6A8ZePFsBhYNZrTeFx9AP1HFBzYQoZC4JZYhGfniyzWPT7lmZkxyklcwcfNCFqdrjMWiZvcjs= ; Message-ID: <20060626182809.13201.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:28:11 +0000 (UTC) MY GOD MAN! 50! Plug-ins!? She cann'a take much more of that! Reroute all auxillary power to the main phasers! Surely you could create multiple files for each piece couldn't you? Each one only dealing with the plug-ins needed for that tune? In between songs open the new one? Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > One thing about EnergyXT that I think is a "bug" but > probably a undesireable > feature, is that the more VST plugins you load into > it, the more slugglish > it gets...even when they are not activiated. I find > that odd. If I have 5 > plugins on the screen, all not activated, it > responds quickly to button > presses, dragging the plugins around, etc. But if I > have 50 plugins on my > screen, which is what I have in Chainer, it gets > really slow. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:28:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BB183BF18; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BrEjn4f4qgOE+ZDkgMewUa8mGgO424VdJe44sL8hN9bXKq28MC/UFJI2G4Rjuf1v0fRCcjJy/NuYDFKBLi8MhfWXqy8wXoNa4NE728qHcvRg/4Cz5mupva/Kgt6wOBr3f6nJx/l2xtcRloZpV5zULr7wnLPjtwJesxAvjYwS1Ok= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <20060626180706.84416.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060626180706.84416.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius/VST/VSTi host-sequencer with external sync? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:28:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:28:39 +0000 (UTC) On 26 jun 2006, at 20.07, mark sottilaro wrote: > Does > anyone have any experience getting a sequencer synced > from a midi clock originating outside the computer? Yes, It's ususally working just fine. What I meant, when I said I don't like the way Live syncs to Mobius, is that I sometimes do destructive loop cutting (like ending a Multiply with REcord, like I do on the EDP as well) that abruptly changes the tempo. Quite often when I did that, Live lost sync. And since I don't like watching the laptop screen when playing I only discover it after some seconds when the music starts to sound sea-sick ;-) My old Repeater was a very trusty Sync Slave, it even sounded good when failing. > I'd love to here any ideas or experiences with doing > inter computer sync. As long as the tempo stays the same it use to work just fine. But many music applications sound better when not synced so I actually quite often simply put a second computer to the same tempo and start recording without any sync between the two machines. Then I match the timing for the new recording by ear to have it fit in with the big arrangement. > I've also been hearing about > MIDI over ethernet that sound like a promising > alternative. If MIDI is sent through ethernet doesn't help if the applications cant detect MIDI clock, or MTC or whatever.... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:30:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1DEA3BF13; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09e601c6994e$8dfe2620$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:30:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:30:12 +0000 (UTC) It's just so friggin' expensive....$500, and now I'm considering buying Reaktor 5 for $380. There goes my budget for a used Fireworx! I may have to leave my rack system as just the Looperlative and the two Boss VF1s. Of course, I add my laptop to that and it becomes a mean, mean effect generating machine....almost too much to manage. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > On Jun 26, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> And I know Jeff Kaiser is going to chime in here and say that MAX/MSP is >> the holy grail and key to our troubles, but I have not tested that yet. > > > I've been reading these posts and THINKING that.....but, wait....you all > have to figure it out on your own.....I've said my piece before....max has > changed my life.... and it is cross platform.... > > :-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:43:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FAF3BF39; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XyLk1PK19XbFsaDJ+YTIm+fRH+JHJPit0tubOXEznMAA6Bdo9atJf7kBWPuH+95nK4j28x9ryi7ZR6KnIel/foXHvb+mOWwOVz9hkYKPBqDLE8QWK6AoIuWpi34Dpik9bPSyjVM3whC+aWB+2gTz1Oy9tCEXAMRIFlRifP1V/r0= In-Reply-To: <09e601c6994e$8dfe2620$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e601c6994e$8dfe2620$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7A58BDD8-6337-47DA-9D76-F58751FF4AD5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:43:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > ....max has changed my life.... and it is cross platform.... On 26 jun 2006, at 20.30, Krispen Hartung wrote: > It's just so friggin' expensive....$500, and now I'm considering > buying Reaktor 5 for $380. Usually people make the choice for either Max or Reaktor, since they are somewhat similar although at different levels. They say that if you know Max you can build your own Reaktor ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:45:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D159E3BED5; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0UdIL92LQjdCpBD8SI6UyWwqEBQVY/Gcal/rQPAtquyTjzP/Q6cBT1066jsuUdwInIfwbOiq7aVyMRFEqZBxRoSJgPQatbR/I9mSQ/atOlAKJkEjA0+OJ/3pAga7XZ3BEOOvfoB1VrpKlQZNd/d9T/fRb+ZLVL9T1E2rQe38qkY= ; Message-ID: <20060626184501.42741.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: software or hardware??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <50d04990606260637i535ef99cn@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Hey Jenny, I'm pretty sure there is no hardware solution that gives you multiple "undos" but the Looperlative gives you 8 discrete stereo tracks so you could record on one and NOT overdub on it, but start another and begin recording on that track, and so on. Each track will sync to an external clock and doesn't have to be the same length. By selecting a track it's volume can be controlled as well so you could turn down each track you no longer want to hear. Word on the street is that they'll one day be a way to do "or" loops instead of "and" loops with it but currently that only works if not synced to a MIDI clock. Steve Lawson is the king of such things and you can find more on the Looperlative forum site. I don't know if you care about feedback control with overdub, but what you're explaining works really, really well using the POLAR module that comes with MOTU's Digital Performer. Mac only, but a very cool and flexible software looper that may fit your needs. Also, check out (as I am) Mobius. I've never used it but I guess there's a function that will let you write a loop to your harddrive at any point to later be used in a DAW. Mark --- Jenny Daskalaki wrote: > Hi everybody > I am new to this forum... > I need to know your opinions on this issue: > We are a two (or sometimes three) man band playing > many different > instruments (drums, guitar, bass, flute , vocals, > moog, percussion > etc.). > We like jamming so ideas come up during > improvisation. We have a PC > recording interface (Firepod) and a mixing desk. We > need to be able to > make loops while jamming without interrupting the > performance. > Recently we bought Boss rc 20 xl but it looks pooer > to our expectations because: > > 1) Quantize affects ONLY the end of the loop phrase > but the rest of it > ,so you have to play it absolutely right!! > 2) During overdubbing you only can delete your last > phrase but you > always listen to the previous on the stack. > What I mean exactly: Let's say while you are jamming > you start playing > over an already recorded phrase. You come up with > another phrase OK > you overdub it, now you have two phrases (in the > same phrase track), > then you come up with a third one but gradually you > want for example, > to listen only to the first one and third one . Well > you really can't > do that. You can only delete the last phrase on the > stack. And you > will always be listening to the first one unless you > completely change > program! > 3)Also, the most important is that when I try to > change the tempo the > sound becomes terribly damaged! (although there is > no change of pitch) > > Is there a hardware setup that could achieve these > or should we use > software like Live Ableton in combination with midi > foot controllers? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:46:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BB513BED5; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09f901c69950$d17f6ba0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e601c6994e$8dfe2620$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7A58BDD8-6337-47DA-9D76-F58751FF4AD5@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:46:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:46:24 +0000 (UTC) You can host VSTs in Reaktor? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" >> ....max has changed my life.... and it is cross platform.... > > On 26 jun 2006, at 20.30, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> It's just so friggin' expensive....$500, and now I'm considering >> buying Reaktor 5 for $380. > > Usually people make the choice for either Max or Reaktor, since they > are somewhat similar although at different levels. They say that if > you know Max you can build your own Reaktor ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:51:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2FFD3BF3F; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <091f01c6993e$7accebf0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <091f01c6993e$7accebf0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:51:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:51:22 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> The other thing it's got is a severely addictive property. Once you >> go max, > you never go bax... > > Ah hah, that explains why when I was watching Jeff play in person, he > was hitting the buttons on his keyboard the same way those rats hit > the button in their cages to get more heroin. :) Sorry Jeff, I > couldn't resist poking fun with the analogy. too true! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 18:56:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76B7A3BF4F; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lj5b8nYesYJBIhEQhBFR8yb1B3mbziRt5ZXe29DovS39+vx+MfwuLbOet5J//TJV9J+/daihPE8bkXjE8LB57U+eXnHyc5KAfceIAxJTlG+5l4GSA93j8nG8meoZg2gNtyayz4KhznArKiwDNXsovubxdbDFpLG49sHpznvNNlE= ; Message-ID: <20060626185654.24890.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <09f901c69950$d17f6ba0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:56:55 +0000 (UTC) Nope, but that would be super cool. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > You can host VSTs in Reaktor? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" > >> ....max has changed my life.... and it is cross > platform.... > > > > On 26 jun 2006, at 20.30, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> It's just so friggin' expensive....$500, and now > I'm considering > >> buying Reaktor 5 for $380. > > > > Usually people make the choice for either Max or > Reaktor, since they > > are somewhat similar although at different levels. > They say that if > > you know Max you can build your own Reaktor ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:04:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0819B3BF19; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,177,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1300987779:sNHT24537276" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <00d501c69942$7f25c1f0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--904732013 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:04:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:04:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--904732013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Lovely! Hardware is so over...:) On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Check out this one then: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/ > Playing_Guitar_Solo_Through_My_Laptop.mp3 --Apple-Mail-4--904732013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Lovely!
Hardware is so over...:)


On Jun 26, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

Check out this one then:

http://www.looproom.com/audio/Playing_Guitar_Solo_Through_My_Laptop.mp3


--Apple-Mail-4--904732013-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20823BF4F; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab (was: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0mFNrB.A._VB.6DDoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:09:46 +0000 (UTC) And once you have dug in, you will find a nifty 8 second hold delay that can act as an extra looper, but be sure to dedicate an expression pedal to feed the delay input signal so that you can control what content gets looped. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab (was: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp) Oh my, oh my, oh my -- what in the world have I gotten myself into now... Welp, Mark, based on yours and Bill's impression of the Tonelab -- both here now as well as in the past -- I finally got myself down to the local guitar megagoogleplex today, and picked up a Tonelab of my very own. Now, I've spent the last, ohhhhhhh, let's say SEVEN HOURS just running through tweezing the presets and basking in all of its new gear, glowing tube goodiness. And all I can say right now is: wow! This is much, much more than I bargained for. I'd merely been thinking of something to punch up a somewhat flat powered monitor; something that could be dropped in as the last stage with a "set it and forget it" preset just to add some more warmth and dynamics to the overall mix. Okay, the Tonelab doesn't seem like it's going to fit the bill for that, and right now I really don't care. I'm now in the process of rearchitecting my pedalboard's signal path so that I can actually take better advantage of all the different tones which the little blue meanie is capable. My only regret is that it's gonna take me a year to really get my head around all the nuances within this box. Sure, the presets themselves are a snap, but since each of the different models really seem to play like real amps, its almost like learning each one as a new instrument. Very, very kewl box. Thanks again for the recommendation, guys!!! --m. At 11:24 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >The good thing about the tonelab is that you can >bypass the preamp or cab models if you'd like. I've >never tried keyboards but I run my acoustic guitar and >bass through it with pretty good results. Remember >most guitar preamps roll off quite quickly after 8K or >so and you're not going ot want your keyboard sounds >to do that.... or maybe you do. Low end wont' be an >issue, but bass has a drop-d bridge set up and it >seems to do fine. (I come out of the tonelab and go >into a Soundcraft board and on to Mackie studio >monitors.) > >If I remember I'll run the output of one of my synths >though it and see how it works. > >Mark > >--- mech wrote: > >> At 10:10 AM -0700 6/23/06, mark sottilaro wrote: >> > >> >Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a >> good >> >JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how >> now... >> >I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the >> key >> >was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or >> cab >> >modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results >> >when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know >> Kris >> >has a couple of) >> >> Hey Mark! Have you ever tried running keyboards or >> bass through your >> Tonelab? If so, how well did it take to processing >> instruments >> having a full-range of frequency content, especially >> the low end? >> >> I've got a powered PA monitor that I'd like to warm >> up a bit (Gemini >> GX-350; think of it as in the same ballpark as a >> Mackie or JBL Eon) >> and I'm thinking the Tonelab might give a better >> playing response >> than your average tube mic preamp. Dunno how well >> the Tonelab deals >> with a full frequency spectrum though... >> >> TIA! >> --m. >> -- >> _______ >> "Behind every fear lies a wish, don't you think...?" >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:12:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A31B53BF25; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=C26IifStZY7d3kkR9UX0UhECPwJRDzwQovtUUSVMLgRgQRiaLn05agjsU2ZKql7q2QGAIOcPFkbe/+2z751ZoLMY+4hYdPuLk+FNf5WZtl9dVDKCSef5N22spmF3zHKEDBrqpkkIbzgaPXw7DqKH8PtYB2tNbVCABVt0mRVEcAg= Message-ID: <913728d60606261211s42743908n64de39ec89fbddd8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:11:58 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Lexicon MPX 200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello Fellow loopers, i am putting my Lexicon MPX200 up for sale, i find that i am looping with more clean sounds out of my bass, and 1-2 effect processors, so i am going to cut down my rig into one good effect processor and one good looper :) for some info, click here -> http://www.lexiconpro.com/mpx200/index.asp it is in mint condition, its been racked since day one i am asking $120 plus shipping :) if anyone wants more info, feel free to email me! Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:14:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C88C93BF53; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WnI99nwABFBT7qJNEukri2ULa8RlSzNeIdV6GVDG5aEZsgIDRRVpHAqhL5FJ00vZTVktCx+53mOVblcc8cPvG0PEeMLkMdIeTStGEwX/DGcpdPgy8x6lCmUJeelhMcbEbBQvTtsHysXp71C+OihXMBk9yX+sLByRVZnSxpb9L0I= ; Message-ID: <20060626191424.40831.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Reaktor FX, Was: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:14:25 +0000 (UTC) According to Trent Reznor they used Reaktor almost exclusively as a "guitar pedal" on The Fragile. http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=trentreznor_us --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 jun 2006, at 19.03, Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > > > Some pretty nice stuff DC/Kris. Wish some of the > pieces were longer > > and more fully developed but sounds great in > pseudo-surround. I > > have never plugged my guitar into Reaktor, but I > will try that > > now... thanks for the suggestion. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:21:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 093CF3BF02; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V4xn/R59YdJ+jK8IZFI2vX9iq1pNCKE0R84SY59Q12gpYIl7yn8JdIXeNGeqCselTKrD+KTQvVKokz8mCaUX3VE54Fe9AqKrL5d75VD4O4xKOb5oLnRFQ1NQMEKyEAHvYBSy3F4vG1sHW5RTj+llDdzikzsfZL0s0OXWSXnOuys= ; Message-ID: <20060626192129.1746.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:21:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab (was: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:21:31 +0000 (UTC) You'll see that once you "get" it's matrix editing configuration it'll be a snap to program! Like owning a ton of cool pedels that all come running out from their hiding places when called. I do agree with Bill that the Tube Screamer left me flat, but a Line6 Delay modeler in the effects loop works wonders. I'm glad you're digging it. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 901BC3BF48; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L8VKnlBVhjEeYFddFRnvvZVymkkpDxIQtHxhtNu+sodkQ5Uen2n6ZdTP92q8UkVt6KAsxIdm680eloVnX9IgRbe77fq3TVPOik3p767HucYSi50UNPP6uSUQRuWJ+UGvYkicHIZhnofdYhk4/JFnCFUWHy6dg9qj84AbT0Bfd/c= ; Message-ID: <20060626193028.14660.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: software or hardware??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:30:29 +0000 (UTC) the Repeater is only capable of 4 mono (or 2 stereo) tracks at a time. If that's all you need the Repeater is an amazing looper IMO. Sounded like you may have wanted more takes. The Repeater will do 99 loops but only one at a time. (each loop can have 4 mono/2 stereo or even 1 stereo and 2 mono tracks) Tracks can also be decoupled from their stereo nature and "slipped" back and forth in time. FUN. Mark --- "Veda, Qua" wrote: > I believe the Looperlative, or Repeater will do what > you want. > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenny Daskalaki [mailto:jendask@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:52 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: software or hardware??? > > If not the "holy grail" Iam looking for the most > convenient way to > improvize while jamming. I want the easiest way to > record loops "on > the fly" , playback, overdub, choose which one stops > and which one > goes on all these functions without need to > interrupt the whole > performance, using foot pedals mainly. > > 2006/6/26, Buzap Buzap : > > Hi Jenny > > > > > Is there a hardware setup that could achieve > these or should we use > > > software like Live Ableton in combination with > midi foot controllers? > > Yes, you are searching for the HOLY GRAIL OF > LOOPING. > > > > I'm looking for that, too. Still haven't found an > answer yet... > > > > Let's see what the experts on this group have to > say to this... :-) > > Btw, recently I've noticed one more aspect why I > want to avoid hardware when playing in real-time: > > Whenever I have a computer running, there are some > additional thoughts have nothing to do with the > music I'm playing, like: should I log-in and check > my mail? Should I run a virus update?... > > Always, there seems to be some parts of my brain > occupied with such distracting thoughts... > > You don't have that with hardware! > > > > But still, I guess in the long run, software will > reach a stability, variety and accessibility where > there will be no HW alternative. But I believe we're > not there - yet. > > > > Buzap > > > > -- > > > > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer > Onlinekosten zu sparen! > > Ideal f�r Modem und ISDN: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:38:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9FD3BF2C; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,177,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="502468021:sNHT20677982" In-Reply-To: <7A58BDD8-6337-47DA-9D76-F58751FF4AD5@gmail.com> References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e601c6994e$8dfe2620$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7A58BDD8-6337-47DA-9D76-F58751FF4AD5@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2131868E-DA1D-4CD8-89D1-89811BC94850@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:38:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:38:29 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Usually people make the choice for either Max or Reaktor, since =20 > they are somewhat similar although at different levels. They say =20 > that if you know Max you can build your own Reaktor ;-) When I decided to pick up my guitar again after years of neglect, =20 back in the late 80s, I started out thinking how cool it would be to =20 build one =93just like I wanted...=94 After buying a bunch of books on =20= the subject, talking to folks, checking out suppliers, etc., I =20 finally realized that what I actually wanted was to PLAY the damn =20 thing, not set up an elaborate and endless alternative playground =20 between me and the real goal. Much as I love Reaktor and as often as I=92ve set out to prove its =20 awesome and incontestable power, I must admit that my various love =20 affairs with cool hardware have all led to much more actual playing, =20 much more quickly accomplished and sustained over longer periods, =20 than anything I=92ve done using Reaktor's "endless alternative =20 playground.=94 It=92s all too easy with software as vast as Reaktor to =20= get seduced into moving quickly on, endlessly hunting out and =20 stockpiling potential toys from the User Library and to looking for =20 "ever more powerful" toolkits, instead of exploring what you've =20 already got ever deeper. Totally fun, of course, but it's good to =20 remember the original vision now and then. dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:47:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2753BF4D; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44A03BC1.1090303@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:55:45 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 References: <20060626040852.15208.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <08a101c6992d$1a979e80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <09e601c6994e$8dfe2620$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7A58BDD8-6337-47DA-9D76-F58751FF4AD5@gmail.com> <09f901c69950$d17f6ba0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <09f901c69950$d17f6ba0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Kris, I was also looking for a smart and simple sw that could help me to route my hw effects and host Mobius. I stumbled into Usine which looks a great, yet simple, app. Interesting is that, like Mobius is, it is created and devoloped by a musician and there seems to be a real will to develop it deeper. I've put my Switchblade on a shelf after Jeff kindly fixed a problem between Mobius and Usine and now I am a very happy man ( well, by the musical point of view). One thing I like is that it is pretty light and it hasn't offered me any crash since I started using it. I think it's worth a try and eventually help the guy to develop it like we're doing with Mobius. Hope it helps. my best, luca www.unguitar.com Krispen Hartung wrote: > You can host VSTs in Reaktor? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" >> >>> ....max has changed my life.... and it is cross platform.... >> >> >> On 26 jun 2006, at 20.30, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> It's just so friggin' expensive....$500, and now I'm considering >>> buying Reaktor 5 for $380. >> >> >> Usually people make the choice for either Max or Reaktor, since >> they are somewhat similar although at different levels. They say >> that if you know Max you can build your own Reaktor ;-) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom >> >> >> >> > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 19:50:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A5483BF48; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060626155006.168l030s98occw88@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:50:06 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen References: <20060626162353.404883BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060626184221.01bbc340@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060626184221.01bbc340@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9ej6TB.A.sgD.upDoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) This is exactly what I've been doing with Bidule, I have 9 different strings of vsts, each with a different sound that I want to capture. I can switch from one to another with the midi foot pedal anytime during a tune. It's a wonderful sort of freedom. But I like having the strings and the components of the strings on the screen so that if I want to make any minor adjustments I can very quickly get at that vst and make whatever adjustments I want. I have been running into that cpu overload problem but in my case I believe it is largely due to the cpu.... I put a prescott core cpu in and it just runs way too hot for a 1u rackmount computer. The other one I built has a northwood core and cpu usuage never goes over 50% and the temp never cracks 60 F, The prescott quite often gets up over 75 F and then the cpu load jumps completely over the top. I've ordered a new one, hopefully I'll get this week. Paul Haslem hammered dulcimer and guitar Ontario, Canda www.dulcify.ca Quoting a k butler : > At 17:23 26/06/2006, you wrote: >> I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a >> seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the >> touch of a button. I know Bidule does this, but I don't want to see >> all the blased VSTs on the screen. > > You can put a whole load of FX into a group in Bidule, and then it > appears as a single box. > > andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 20:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E008E3BF20; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nul/7Fhft1icfbZeRVoREyGgPiSdmsbmC3d76YTrzDw/9Yq1Yjm0SLMe9W67vEicjPVp1/NA6KZXPakMsFhlx+bQ6q9VamlZ8Vbtp4/xckZq/kLjAJKiDv4kUuFN5jbZ3H7NM1uhafvfZFZS1bEickxh1vGXdXkFniXwvhR+mvo= ; Message-ID: <20060626200732.72354.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8794C1FC-4FBE-49BF-8DE1-8690D6CA58A4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Buzap, have you checked out Sooperlooper? It works well as a stand alone app but I had issues getting it to work from inside my DAW as an AU. Once I got it two work perfectly but I have no idea why and was never able to get it working again. However, as a stand alone app it worked like a charm. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > > Hi > > > >>> Any chance Mobius will be ported to Mac platform > someday? > >> Yes. Today - if you have one of those new Mac's > that can run Windows > >> XP as well (Boot Camp, not by emulation). Isn't > that fab! > > > On 26 jun 2006, at 17.26, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > well, this wouldn't _really_ solve the problem for > me. One thing, I > > don't want to run Windows on my Mac. > > Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to hurt... ;-) I'd love to > do that though, > because then I wouldn't have to keep a PC on the > side for running > windows. > > > The other is: it should work together with my > other SW on Mac (like > > your LogicPro, Per ;-) > > I've been thinking about this too, and I guess I > will always be > running Mobius on a separate machine. Most of my > other music software > run in OSX. I use to MIDI sync projects in Logic > (Mac) with Mobius > (Win). Usually I simply use the excellent Record > Audio function in > Mobius and move the rendered audio file over the > network (or on an > USB stick or an external FW drive) to the Logic Mac. > > But it would be fantastic if Mobius did really run > in OSX so you > could mangle all Mobius tracks in real-time through > Logics effects! > (Not for concert though, but for studio production) > > > > Do you think there is a way to run it within > Virtualization (i.e. > > Parallels) on Mac? > > I've heard reports from people that tried that this > is too slow for > most audio applicaitons. > > > Of course, boot camp is better than nothing... > > Maybe someone can buy the M�bius developer or > someone else to port > > this...? > > You mean that we collectively raise money and buy > Jeff Larson a > Macbook if he does the port? ;-) Like "a group > buy"? Nice > idea... ;-)))) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 20:09:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281CF3BF20; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: exploring what you've already got ever deeper (was RE: Mobius part 2) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:09:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <2131868E-DA1D-4CD8-89D1-89811BC94850@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaZWC7r/lynp31cRKG7DC8jM9Us6AAA7sQg Message-Id: <20060626200909.QXUU19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Word-- Too much stuff--and the laptop makes it worse! I'm staying away from using it for looping for now . . . Gig tonight at the Wild Animal Park in North San Diego County--ask for looping and ye shall receive--every other Monday 'til Labor Day . . . Gary PS Anybody still using the Lexicon MPX G2? G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 20:16:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0B733BF50; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: exploring what you've already got ever deeper (was RE: Mobius part 2) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:16:24 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01c6995d$6a6044a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20060626200909.QXUU19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1MvFB.A.1dF.qCEoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Montag, 26. Juni 2006 22:09 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: exploring what you've already got ever deeper (was > RE: Mobius part 2) > > > PS Anybody still using the Lexicon MPX G2? Yeppers! B. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 20:32:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71E7E3BF43; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1909.128.193.37.230.1151353943.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20060626200909.QXUU19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <2131868E-DA1D-4CD8-89D1-89811BC94850@earthlink.net> <20060626200909.QXUU19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: exploring what you've already got ever deeper From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:32:25 +0000 (UTC) > Too much stuff--and the laptop makes it worse! I'm staying away from using > it for looping for now . . . Last week, I ripped out the synth and all the effects from my signal chain to the EDP. Now I'm down to two mics --> mixer --> EDP --> Alesis MidiVerb. And a bunch of acoustic instruments. In a couple of months the effects will probably start creeping in again... Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 21:05:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1BD3BF4F; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060626170537.4etd8eq6scg4oc0k@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:05:37 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: exploring what you've already got ever deeper References: <2131868E-DA1D-4CD8-89D1-89811BC94850@earthlink.net> <20060626200909.QXUU19317.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> <1909.128.193.37.230.1151353943.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <1909.128.193.37.230.1151353943.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:05:42 +0000 (UTC) I have a few people that I like to go out and play with that just do traditional or old timey music, all acoustic.. It's a good thing, keeps me in touch with my instruments. But, when I'm working by myself, oh, all those effects, those wonderful vsts calling out to me to play, experiment.... who can resist???? Paul Haslem hammered dulcimer and guitar Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca Quoting johnsrude@peak.org: >> Too much stuff--and the laptop makes it worse! I'm staying away from using >> it for looping for now . . . > > Last week, I ripped out the synth and all the effects from my signal chain to > the EDP. Now I'm down to two mics --> mixer --> EDP --> Alesis > MidiVerb. And > a bunch of acoustic instruments. In a couple of months the effects will > probably start creeping in again... > > Cheers, > Kevin > www.TheNettles.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 21:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DB783BF27; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:34:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: line 6 echo pro? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44A060F5.11594.111FC13@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Anyone out there using this beast? Worth having? Surprisingly, there are no review at loopers-delight. Perhaps not so surprising - I sent a review in over a year ago and it hasn't shown yet ;( All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 21:37:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0576B3BF3F; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44A060F5.11594.111FC13@nick.12testing.net> References: <44A060F5.11594.111FC13@nick.12testing.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:37:23 -0400 To: nick@12testing.net From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro? Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:37:30 +0000 (UTC) I would like to know if the dry signal path is attenuated by the 'mix' knob, so that the loop function could be used on an aux send. The DL4 always has the direct signal present in loop mode. At 10:34 PM +0100 6/26/06, nick@12testing.net wrote: >Anyone out there using this beast? Worth having? > >Surprisingly, there are no review at loopers-delight. Perhaps not so >surprising - I sent a review in over a year ago and it hasn't shown >yet ;( >All the best, > >Nick Robinson -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 21:45:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8930F3BF66; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tHppO7tUmPwco+he+ifTF5gm72Ms/IdDuIBz5kmjLIkX+M16MpGY07z5MCJNtWD42QV953BK5m8DqSqMRmWxV/ANyq3K3AI/J1YwVozG38L9+B5W83ABBY7NTcAJZyiQCBNX882kwG1CsVAq+b3ztTl9YoQ34KMyMKWC7wWmiPw= Message-ID: <913728d60606261445p4d7ba6b8ncdafeefb5c6730d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:45:12 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44A060F5.11594.111FC13@nick.12testing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:45:14 +0000 (UTC) i remember talking with my guitar player about it, and he had one for a while, but i believe that he sold it because the 24-bit processing and A/D/A conversion, which he wasn't horribly happy with... however it seems to have a lot of cool functions though :) On 6/26/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > I would like to know if the dry signal path is attenuated by the > 'mix' knob, so that the loop function could be used on an aux send. > The DL4 always has the direct signal present in loop mode. > > At 10:34 PM +0100 6/26/06, nick@12testing.net wrote: > >Anyone out there using this beast? Worth having? > > > >Surprisingly, there are no review at loopers-delight. Perhaps not so > >surprising - I sent a review in over a year ago and it hasn't shown > >yet ;( > >All the best, > > > >Nick Robinson > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 22:07:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64AF3BEF1; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4miiDfaZtCVLNmlDevnYMBk/ywk/LhFVEhw1armgljMIIH70u4TBDCWZqt65UCUuHl3OwHP/WwUJXkTidMRR4/ilI3Yiz+R4F88Az2lvy+ntrOzCaDn4EFS8wY9dOKV3rAbhPwHw5JrQOp7nAO2VquZi/fNDsQFZ2xfzLOrKa0M= ; Message-ID: <20060626220738.14593.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro? To: nick@12testing.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44A060F5.11594.111FC13@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:07:39 +0000 (UTC) It's lack of properly implemented MIDI sync made me give it up but if you operated it with manual tempo it did some cool stuff. Mark --- "nick@12testing.net" wrote: > Anyone out there using this beast? Worth having? > > Surprisingly, there are no review at > loopers-delight. Perhaps not so > surprising - I sent a review in over a year ago and > it hasn't shown > yet ;( > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 22:10:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F6D03BF3E; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: amp talk Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:10:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060625020907.92978.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:10:54 +0000 (UTC) I've heard very good things about those amps. A little harder to find here in the states., though. I must say between the Koch amps and the Fuchs amps, both the Dutch and the Americans have the ground covered on provocatively named boutique amplifiers. Any other amps or effects out there whose name mispronouncement could spell embarrassment or flagrant political incorrectness? besides the obvious Zvex SH? Fellas and Dames, anybody know? Bill (active imagination) Walker -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: amp talk Id like to jump on the groove of this thread now brothers,i just had a gig with an amp named "Koch" all i can tell you is that i am floored by the sound of this beauties the do "cook" like their name!i borrowed it from a guitarrist friend of my bass player,he has the multitone 50 watt head combined with the TS212H speaker cabinet i am telling you this combination its absolutely beautiful!it is compact(you also have the combo option but is more of a back breaker),powerful,looks good and the most versatile amp i know out there with 3 channels plus great reverb.It compresses beautiful and the dirty channels are nothing but great you can get any sound from the old cats weather is jazz or rock with this amp plus the reverb has the authentic ennio marricone 60´s surf sound.The minute i plugged in i heard the sounds ive been trying to get from long time and now i realize it was due to the amps ive used in the past,although i have a good les paul,tele and strat.I am afraid for me is going to get harder and harder to play with digital simulators now,the dutch got it right check them out! http://www.koch-amps.com/ Luis Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. Ibelieve the JC120 came to promise fro two reasons, 1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives itssterile sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable and loud, afavorite of cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands. As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make itsound flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after allthese years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound onthese things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tincan sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signalprocessors. Go figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was anice warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVMspeaker I managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a PearceG1 amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soonafter I added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,andlater I switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. Ifinally abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back totube combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing thelooping thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modernpeers, but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and itfeels better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimickedwith a good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar tothe Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try tofind a used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a linkon EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speakerconfiguration, I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a herniaevery time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass responsethe tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. Cheers Bill -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :) They are amazing little boxes. Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell whether you weremaking a fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Someamazing jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps. Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers ofall calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and MusicMan. Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogetherat times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into theboard. The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such anidiot for selling that years ago. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp Well Mark I'd be curious as to how youdidthe JC120 thingy on the tonelab (and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of the stomp box effects on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, anda rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick itin the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Welllast week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am justdumb struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of thetonelab. Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it adds tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels ofanything from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet smooth and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I justsubmitted a review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how goodit sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on thetone lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was just searching fora more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face,early marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the bill. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp --- William Walker wrote: Mark has a point, I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! Do take note that the vox people did not see fit to model a transistor amp, not jazz chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set maybe the vox ain't for you. Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now... I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris has a couple of) I have to say that as much as I like some of the stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. Also I found they're one of the best processor out there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds (though not for guitar) Mark Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 22:44:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D823BF0B; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b8801c69972$0d3fe310$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060626182809.13201.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:44:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:44:18 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Surely you could create multiple files for each piece > couldn't you? Each one only dealing with the plug-ins > needed for that tune? In between songs open the new > one? Yes, I've done this, but the problem is that I don't really play any piece per se, but I improvize and I like to spontanouely pick plugins from a total menu. In short, I need access to all my plugins at all times, and I want to be able to stack or chain them in custom sequences on the fly...probably asking for too much. Would be cool is a dynamic rack concept. On the left hand side of the screen I would have a rack "shell". On the right hand I would have my massive list of VST plugins. Then one could drag and drop on the fly any of the plugins into the rack in any order, and also change the order by dragging and dropping, all in real time. That would be amazing. Kris > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >> One thing about EnergyXT that I think is a "bug" but >> probably a undesireable >> feature, is that the more VST plugins you load into >> it, the more slugglish >> it gets...even when they are not activiated. I find >> that odd. If I have 5 >> plugins on the screen, all not activated, it >> responds quickly to button >> presses, dragging the plugins around, etc. But if I >> have 50 plugins on my >> screen, which is what I have in Chainer, it gets >> really slow. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 23:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C4B3BF1A; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2312.128.193.37.230.1151363636.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <0b8801c69972$0d3fe310$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060626182809.13201.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0b8801c69972$0d3fe310$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DJ QBert From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <_njNbD.A.LeH.2oGoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Any DJs on the list? If so you might enjoy DJ QBert doing some freestyling with just a turntable and a beatbox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKn9qeAIRzI&search=qfo For the rest of you, yes he blows worse than Hiromi so don't bother. ;-) Cheers, Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > >> Surely you could create multiple files for each piece >> couldn't you? Each one only dealing with the plug-ins >> needed for that tune? In between songs open the new >> one? > > Yes, I've done this, but the problem is that I don't really play any piece > per se, but I improvize and I like to spontanouely pick plugins from a total > menu. In short, I need access to all my plugins at all times, and I want to > be able to stack or chain them in custom sequences on the fly...probably > asking for too much. > > Would be cool is a dynamic rack concept. On the left hand side of the screen > I would have a rack "shell". On the right hand I would have my massive list > of VST plugins. Then one could drag and drop on the fly any of the plugins > into the rack in any order, and also change the order by dragging and > dropping, all in real time. That would be amazing. > > Kris > > >> >> Mark >> >> --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >>> One thing about EnergyXT that I think is a "bug" but >>> probably a undesireable >>> feature, is that the more VST plugins you load into >>> it, the more slugglish >>> it gets...even when they are not activiated. I find >>> that odd. If I have 5 >>> plugins on the screen, all not activated, it >>> responds quickly to button >>> presses, dragging the plugins around, etc. But if I >>> have 50 plugins on my >>> screen, which is what I have in Chainer, it gets >>> really slow. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jun 26 23:41:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A0743BF65; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020001c6b10d$026c9700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: exploring what you've already got ever deeper Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:41:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:41:17 +0000 (UTC) The proliferation of inexpensive VST effects, multi-tasking DSP hardware boxes and stomp box pedals means that 'too many choices' is just a part of the landscape in modern music. What I like to keep in my mind around effects choices is some Papua New Guinea tribesperson encountering an instrument that has one effects box.............................knowing nothing of what it can do but being a very good and sensitive musician, he or she will do something very interesting with those minimal constraints. I've been listening to a lot of Wire's Read and Burn (their latest) and I"m so blown away by Colin Newman and Bruce Gilbert's extreme processing of incredibly minimalistic guitar parts. The net effect is soooooo simple but it feels so deep to me, musically. I also like to keep in mind that every single time I"ve ever gone to a gig with too many choices in stomp box pedals and rack mount units that something always seems to fuck up. I think it just may be my electronic karma (or perhaps the fact that I am very impetuous and use things that I haven't done my homework on). My brother, as a contrast, is an effects genius and does more homework than any single musician I've ever known (with the exception of Per Boysen or Krispen Hartung) on his effects. I can always use his example to keep me humble but I still like to head into a gig with a few elements of extreme chance taunting me, processing wise.........lol. Michael Klobuchar is my idle in that respect. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 00:07:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018603BF07; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A1BFIIlE0n1FfSRnJQOH1JKFEkGXfdtfNHsHoTCDEOiSdAqlQb/Vv39Ee465XzVIp1pb+VA48Pf8fwFWXxUjzTPvp7+T/ZdU1uuxGA1JVADcFhr2neEG8YtOokCZuL7JRY7d3S89SsUCO5yYyHTru4mdXg+E9LOM3NAfU1hYemM= ; Message-ID: <20060627000726.41088.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:07:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: exploring what you've already got ever deeper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <020001c6b10d$026c9700$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I'm guilty of this myself but often I can't help it. It's like having sex in public or something. Dangerous. I remember once stopping on the way to a gig to get a Digitech SpaceStation. Sometimes it's all about DEALING with what happens no matter what. Can be fun. Unless it totally fucks up and you get no sound... which I guess is like looseing your erection (moistness for the ladies?) in public. Not fun. One lesson I've learned is to keep it light and have a partner. Having someone perform with you can make all the difference when your looping/effects gear fails. The less things to hook up the better too. I can't imagine Suit and Tie Guy's world. Makes me dizzy thinking about it. --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I also like to keep in mind that every single time > I"ve ever gone to a gig > with too many choices > in stomp box pedals and rack mount units that > something always seems to fuck > up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 00:33:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB1D53BF73; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2523.128.193.37.230.1151368432.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: more loopy sax From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <0Tuc1D.A.utD.yzHoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:33:54 +0000 (UTC) >From: >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >I have another sax & boomerang piece up for your (I hope) >enjoyment. This one is an arrangement of The Meter's >classic "Just Kissed My Baby". >Here 'tis... >http://www.freeimprovisation.com/JustKissedMyBaby.mp3 Nice track, Tom! I really like the horn "section" and the vocalese rhythm track fits well, too. My only suggestion would be to roll off some of the treble and add a dash of reverb. Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 02:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456C03BF64; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rQTOAsqHW7pTX+jhUYBA5qky/kLdwInEPmzi/TqNEQbRvgz0yF2KVcXyW2nO+/Tn/ObQokS4vqDkrhl9IzRUnh8fMvmKZdGr5YZVDt3ka0F696qx7qEV9bxW0gdCQX24TM2e/xyGr9o3UT5G2XqS5t8UdTv8zk5odpMGVboVAtc= ; Message-ID: <20060627021002.71430.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Electrix Repeater for Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c301c6993d$e8a107c0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:10:05 +0000 (UTC) For all europeans interested i am currently selling the following items as well: -Electrix pro Repeater in its original box,manual,latest O.S. and Simpletech 64 meg card -Behringer 1602 RX eurorack "19" 16 channel rackmount mixer -SM Pro Audio PR8MKII - 8ch Microphone Preamplifier with Optional ADAT Output great to put into a rack along with your soundcard for a mobile studio http://www.smproaudio.com/PR8MKII.htm please contact me offlist thanx Luis --- Kevin Mulvihill wrote: > Hi all, > > Used to be here all the time 4 or 5 years ago. I've > been lurking here the > past week or two, and it's good to be back. > > With all the recent for sale posts I've seen on this > list, I just wanted to > let everyone know that I have an Electrix Repeater > up for sale on eBay too. > It's here at: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7424189567&rd=1&sspagenam > e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > The box is in truly excellent condition as you can > see from the many > pictures, and even has the collector's item > mis-labeled 16 MB CFC. This box > is from the first batch produced but I did update > the OS to 1.1. Sadly, I've > hardly ever used it because I have Gibson and Roland > echo units. Anyway, > someone will be making quite the score here if > you're looking for such a > thing... > > I also have a Digitech BP-8 Bass Preamp / Processor. > This is a foot > controller for bass. Very good condition. Someone is > going to steal this box > if I can't get the bids up. :-) Check it out here: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7424184477&rd=1&sspagenam > e=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > Anyway, wish you all the best and it's good to see > that this list remains so > vibrant! > > Kevin > > > www.luis-angulo.com www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 02:44:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 389413BF32; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=f6Th0MEMobdWY96yvGWawqgcDX+4XHCV3Rs2DPvWYQqLP2uR98UqEF+S8g+gyB3l; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006622724738680@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:47:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9409f51e44c5c3170007068f8aaf1362eb7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.221 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:44:14 +0000 (UTC) It occurs to me that "Bidule for Krispen" would make a fine song title. Hmmm... wondering about the etymology of "Bidule".... perhaps short for "bidet schedule"? I can see it now... "I get to use it at 9:05! Wait your turn, spottytrousers!!" Yours in Nonlinearity, Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/26/2006 3:50:07 PM > Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen > > This is exactly what I've been doing with Bidule, I have 9 different > strings of > vsts, each with a different sound that I want to capture. I can switch > from one > to another with the midi foot pedal anytime during a tune. It's a > wonderful sort > of freedom. But I like having the strings and the components of the strings on > the screen so that if I want to make any minor adjustments I can very quickly > get at that vst and make whatever adjustments I want. I have been running into > that cpu overload problem but in my case I believe it is largely due to the > cpu.... I put a prescott core cpu in and it just runs way too hot for a 1u > rackmount computer. The other one I built has a northwood core and cpu usuage > never goes over 50% and the temp never cracks 60 F, The prescott quite often > gets up over 75 F and then the cpu load jumps completely over the top. I've > ordered a new one, hopefully I'll get this week. > > Paul Haslem > hammered dulcimer and guitar > Ontario, Canda > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > > Quoting a k butler : > > > At 17:23 26/06/2006, you wrote: > >> I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a > >> seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the > >> touch of a button. I know Bidule does this, but I don't want to see > >> all the blased VSTs on the screen. > > > > You can put a whole load of FX into a group in Bidule, and then it > > appears as a single box. > > > > andy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 04:05:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 880573BF54; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bEmYfuis3oTrx0+dlGoeEtRnl9KplGe/S4qStliMeQHyuyALVlExK5UVgDE5eiCha8r5KP5pkcvmEw6z2OgoYDVei6/EX2+KVmh02yy3Vdu2ciGg2I3pdX4Xdl02RMiHWpxC000ptw+4+W0mo3PJYdA+ue+R1mB4HCQWpG9/ddI= ; Message-ID: <20060627040531.85015.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060626182809.13201.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:05:34 +0000 (UTC) stand by to engage warp speed mr. sulu. --- mark sottilaro wrote: > > MY GOD MAN! 50! Plug-ins!? She cann'a take much > more > of that! Reroute all auxillary power to the main > phasers! > > Surely you could create multiple files for each > piece > couldn't you? Each one only dealing with the > plug-ins > needed for that tune? In between songs open the new > one? > > Mark > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > One thing about EnergyXT that I think is a "bug" > but > > probably a undesireable > > feature, is that the more VST plugins you load > into > > it, the more slugglish > > it gets...even when they are not activiated. I > find > > that odd. If I have 5 > > plugins on the screen, all not activated, it > > responds quickly to button > > presses, dragging the plugins around, etc. But if > I > > have 50 plugins on my > > screen, which is what I have in Chainer, it gets > > really slow. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 04:49:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 770CB3BF45; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:49:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ybk3R9YXR4V45R3GRzk5ajNzLzR4CuaqUlnEbXsvDixllcHd7lqa0yCaP3B9s80e7rzVH116qT9sChDPPK9ZmwjE8V0TFBkNw4keoReIzguOP7PgJDEoH+0UZNKFyJvPbxsAHFla4uRu02mFz0VRrjosDy/kAk1oIdQhXmBEmuA= ; Message-ID: <20060627044723.72560.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: exploring what you've already got ever deeper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060627000726.41088.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:49:39 +0000 (UTC) yes,there is freedom in simplicity...i admire the complex set-ups some folks are amazing at keeping in control,but i don't think i can handle the stress involved with using an elaborate live rig. enhance the trance, skippy pup chow --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, I'm guilty of this myself but often I can't > help > it. It's like having sex in public or something. > Dangerous. I remember once stopping on the way to a > gig to get a Digitech SpaceStation. Sometimes it's > all > about DEALING with what happens no matter what. Can > be fun. Unless it totally fucks up and you get no > sound... which I guess is like looseing your > erection > (moistness for the ladies?) in public. Not fun. > > One lesson I've learned is to keep it light and have > a > partner. Having someone perform with you can make > all > the difference when your looping/effects gear fails. > > The less things to hook up the better too. I can't > imagine Suit and Tie Guy's world. Makes me dizzy > thinking about it. > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > > > I also like to keep in mind that every single time > > I"ve ever gone to a gig > > with too many choices > > in stomp box pedals and rack mount units that > > something always seems to fuck > > up. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 05:12:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 621F13BF67; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bdc01c699a8$4cb67820$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <410-22006622724738680@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:12:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-89ByD.A.vrC.C5LoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:12:34 +0000 (UTC) You're cracking me up... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen > It occurs to me that "Bidule for Krispen" would make a fine song title. > > Hmmm... wondering about the etymology of "Bidule".... perhaps short for > "bidet schedule"? > I can see it now... "I get to use it at 9:05! Wait your turn, > spottytrousers!!" > > Yours in Nonlinearity, > Tim Mungenast > > > >> [Original Message] >> From: >> To: >> Date: 6/26/2006 3:50:07 PM >> Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen >> >> This is exactly what I've been doing with Bidule, I have 9 different >> strings of >> vsts, each with a different sound that I want to capture. I can switch >> from one >> to another with the midi foot pedal anytime during a tune. It's a >> wonderful sort >> of freedom. But I like having the strings and the components of the > strings on >> the screen so that if I want to make any minor adjustments I can very > quickly >> get at that vst and make whatever adjustments I want. I have been running > into >> that cpu overload problem but in my case I believe it is largely due to > the >> cpu.... I put a prescott core cpu in and it just runs way too hot for a >> 1u >> rackmount computer. The other one I built has a northwood core and cpu > usuage >> never goes over 50% and the temp never cracks 60 F, The prescott quite > often >> gets up over 75 F and then the cpu load jumps completely over the top. > I've >> ordered a new one, hopefully I'll get this week. >> >> Paul Haslem >> hammered dulcimer and guitar >> Ontario, Canda >> www.dulcify.ca >> >> >> >> >> >> Quoting a k butler : >> >> > At 17:23 26/06/2006, you wrote: >> >> I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a >> >> seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the >> >> touch of a button. I know Bidule does this, but I don't want to see >> >> all the blased VSTs on the screen. >> > >> > You can put a whole load of FX into a group in Bidule, and then it >> > appears as a single box. >> > >> > andy >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 05:34:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD78F3BEF5; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0b8801c69972$0d3fe310$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060626182809.13201.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0b8801c69972$0d3fe310$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <5f40ed6170f973f39e148d47a18d4ace@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Mobius part 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:34:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <9KFbfC.A.IqD.WNMoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 05:34:14 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 26, 2006, at 3:44 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yes, I've done this, but the problem is that I don't really play any=20= > piece per se, but I improvize and I like to spontanouely pick plugins=20= > from a total menu. In short, I need access to all my plugins at all=20 > times, and I want to be able to stack or chain them in custom=20 > sequences on the fly...probably asking for too much. > Would be cool is a dynamic rack concept. On the left hand side of the=20= > screen I would have a rack "shell". On the right hand I would have my=20= > massive list of VST plugins. Then one could drag and drop on the fly=20= > any of the plugins into the rack in any order, and also change the=20 > order by dragging and dropping, all in real time. That would be=20 > amazing. you are going to so love max/msp....I don't know about drag and drop=20 (probably a way) but it has a pull down menu feature that you could put=20= all your plugs in (by dragging and dropping folders that hold the=20 plugs) and then you could use controllers to choose which ones and=20 whether to route them directly out or into a different plug for further=20= processing and so on and son.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 07:00:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3078D3BEDE; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HADNyoESBSohN Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060627075539.01b9ada8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:00:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: line 6 echo pro? In-Reply-To: <20060626221054.0C4C13BF4F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060626221054.0C4C13BF4F@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:00:25 +0000 (UTC) > >I would like to know if the dry signal path is attenuated by the >'mix' knob, so that the loop function could be used on an aux send. >The DL4 always has the direct signal present in loop mode. If it's like the filter Modeller, then yes it does this, and there's also an option to make the bypass analog. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 07:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 315683BECD; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qeRIlPbPaPU6LNr3Iwm36cI0pVWoOtBAmOw+hgtBN4gF6WvXqHo+GbEygHi/NMFhYBc+NrmM8rO84eq86bvrh+G03Jv9zDGyR4mr3rN0Yv9502qlfoFzPY8fEJz4z0IVxbaBKL1IJhVD4+qqCagGBm5Zo29NoaHk4o5O2D+AcaQ= ; Message-ID: <20060627071404.27790.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: exploring what you've already got ever deeper To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:14:07 +0000 (UTC) de ja vu... --- daniel stevenson wrote: > yes,there is freedom in simplicity...i admire the > complex set-ups some folks are amazing at keeping in > control,but i don't think i can handle the stress > involved with using an elaborate live rig. > enhance the trance, > skippy pup chow > > --- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > Yeah, I'm guilty of this myself but often I can't > > help > > it. It's like having sex in public or something. > > Dangerous. I remember once stopping on the way to > a > > gig to get a Digitech SpaceStation. Sometimes it's > > all > > about DEALING with what happens no matter what. > Can > > be fun. Unless it totally fucks up and you get no > > sound... which I guess is like looseing your > > erection > > (moistness for the ladies?) in public. Not fun. > > > > One lesson I've learned is to keep it light and > have > > a > > partner. Having someone perform with you can make > > all > > the difference when your looping/effects gear > fails. > > > > The less things to hook up the better too. I > can't > > imagine Suit and Tie Guy's world. Makes me dizzy > > thinking about it. > > > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > > > > > > I also like to keep in mind that every single > time > > > I"ve ever gone to a gig > > > with too many choices > > > in stomp box pedals and rack mount units that > > > something always seems to fuck > > > up. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 07:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 244073BEE2; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAJd3oESBSohN Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060627082910.01ae2768@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:39:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: DJ QBert In-Reply-To: <20060627053415.58D713BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060627053415.58D713BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:39:31 +0000 (UTC) >Any DJs on the list? If so you might enjoy DJ QBert doing some freestyling >with just a turntable and a beatbox: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKn9qeAIRzI&search=qfo > >For the rest of you, yes he blows worse than Hiromi so don't bother. ;-) > >Cheers, >Kevin QBert's generally amazing, but I though the beat box rather killed it :-( try this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGJxlmswzw8 andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 08:01:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 609593BEE4; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAON+oESBSohM Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060627085938.01ba0000@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:01:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Mobius part 2 In-Reply-To: <20060627053415.58D713BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060627053415.58D713BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:01:30 +0000 (UTC) >stand by to engage warp speed mr. sulu. go to www.myspace.com/livelooper and check out the 3rd track andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 08:02:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E76253BEF0; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3c7yfLCky5auBHHKRv6IHgp0YL3fmXeC0UEF5jkpvQXAIBYbMflCyn1ceZWZXSui3Gkn1dkGXctyk4cCGbM65BqtgufyyMia0zT4a4GBiUVPhtO2yLkmwggmxOZ3XJeiR3eSN3HrS+SZXeIs8a6V7ugTpW7cmF9+D6xPXaw1qeg= ; Message-ID: <20060627080248.35555.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:02:48 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: rumors of a "hidden"track on 10,000 days To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:02:50 +0000 (UTC) i havent heard it yet but folks are saying tool is at it again with the weirdness...the track "virginiti tres"meaning 23 in latin, symbolizes synchronicity,and that if you add the play times of "wings part 1 & virginiti tres"it equals the play time of "wings part 2" 6:11 + 5:02=11:13 if anyone knows a link where this synced song can be heard...fill me in,i would like to hear it. end transmission, DS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 08:20:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4FCF3BEE1; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WKWonvDrAXYr5fdRw2Ad49lJw0EbtDqy4s3qCAySsx49O4fXz9gZ7h8USaZrpkt1MRPJhTQExhqH/D8+22399xItP9JDO+hqGhS1leFAxGGNId6yTeDlJRKDZ1E6nkOYTRYc5yL8bIkBitjdDKkWKXpb6OyzM2U2LlP3zmQKsw0= ; Message-ID: <20060627082004.83940.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Re: Mobius part 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060627085938.01ba0000@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:20:05 +0000 (UTC) lol very nice stuff you got posted there Andy.you got lots of cool friends too.im going to have to get busy and get a myspace page, its just too cool thanks, danny/scary --- a k butler wrote: > > > >stand by to engage warp speed mr. sulu. > > go to www.myspace.com/livelooper > > and check out the 3rd track > > andy > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 08:48:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC80A3BEDA; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b701c699c6$6e803c70$0400a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: Subject: Re: Vox Tonelab (was: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:48:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:48:17 +0000 (UTC) The Looper is available in the Tonelab SE, but not in the Tonelab desktop unit. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: RE: Vox Tonelab (was: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp) > And once you have dug in, you will find a nifty 8 second hold delay that > can > act as an extra looper, but be sure to dedicate an expression pedal to > feed > the delay input signal so that you can control what content gets looped. > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 11:51:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D5763BEDC; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:51:28 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> Message-ID: <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> Subject: Re: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1aTDvD.A.RaD.BvRoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi @Jeff: Möbius on Mac would be really great. Universal Binary, please ;-)) Or you could sell the stuff to Native Instruments (would make a great plug-in for Guitar Rig 3... ;-) and they would port it.... @Bruce: The page http://lloopp.klingt.org seems a bit... cryptic. Is there a manual for the looper? @Mark: As far as I can see, SooperLooper is "only" a stereo EDP. I would really miss Möbius' ability to have 8 parallel loops for building arrangements. @Per: Is virtualization with Parallels really slow? I have Intel Core Duo which supports _real_ virtualization, that means it's not running as an emulation but really tapping the full resources. Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 12:16:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5AE3BECF; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pBhAOxtHkPeXKkxFGkOMUXa2siMVm173VLqoNCsoxolPLUP5pjeUoTW3V94S7e16JXm2y8wF1sP8WzBuom7RPrNMd6XgPjwTG0VJKTsa6HSB4fXp4tBXujMFaZVMSscs8BAMfsmFlkm6Pcg+SlXWturEcDnVloKGZGI3uu3UBx8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:16:06 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? In-Reply-To: <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 27e8f91b5f52ece2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC) > @Mark: As far as I can see, SooperLooper is "only" a stereo EDP. I would = really miss M=F6bius' ability to have 8 parallel loops for building arrange= ments. No, SL can have as many loop instances as you want, the screenshot only shows one instantiated. In fact each loop can have 1-N channels as well. Limited by memory and CPU only. However, there is no universal binary release yet. But when it comes so will proper latency compensation (which is the primary complaint around here). jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 12:31:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF4FA3BED6; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gvFnoJGM4OHDnRsGXevVBXDTFfZVfdRwJzOlI4t5ngi6/hqLhiDhYr9ECs9VJcQP9iIgWc0bpeSon9OKswFsAzVGRxBURH4/0GWowuMucye0idZfL46E0vneqEh2IIP5KjBuQ2L0Vt8mdBQOIL6HMT4efUknqNJryi7V9XrXXN4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8535EB39-7681-4382-814A-B00865C3B1BA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Something Good In SooperLooper (was: Mobius on Mac someday?) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:31:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:31:51 +0000 (UTC) >> @Mark: As far as I can see, SooperLooper is "only" a stereo EDP. I =20= >> would really miss M=F6bius' ability to have 8 parallel loops for =20 >> building arrangements. SooperLooper has a nice feature that I miss in both my EDP and =20 Mobius. It's the option to set feedback to only happen when you're =20 overdubbing. This makes it possible to play with a constant setting =20 of, let's say, seventy percent feedback. As long as you are not =20 overdubbing the loop will not fade away. I frequently do that mistake =20= on both the EDP and Mobius - forgetting to move back the feedback =20 pedal into the full position and then I suddenly find that my Boys In =20= The Band have left their instruments and are leaving me all alone. =20 With Mobius I then have to pump the overdub button to force them back =20= on stage. That little tic square of SL's is nice. Also nice that it's =20= not put away into some preferences menu but has it's own tic box =20 right thare in the graphical interface. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 12:32:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC043BEDC; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:32:37 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060627123237.277400@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jesse > No, SL [SooperLooper] can have as many loop instances as you want, you are actually right! So the main limitation is - on Intel Macs - latency? Gotta take a closer look... Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 12:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97AE03BEDD; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=oXAOUS4ZVX2pMMvaJlen2BoQnqIrzjHfCwoBzgktYn6L0UmOjns54thipBoyp6E1OxahzL7W+83j2v5WIZrbi1mzvHlVuibrX7guB4LPN+bCjJTFmzn+Vr+8f8EE5DieP+INLaaFzh4Zpg1Uot3JRcAOsflL7ehBJy8effN+QnY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:42:13 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius on Mac someday? In-Reply-To: <20060627123237.277400@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> <20060627123237.277400@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3b30e755a77bb05e Resent-Message-ID: <10PNK.A.a9F.neSoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) On 6/27/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > No, SL [SooperLooper] can have as many loop instances as you want, > you are actually right! Well, I should know :) > So the main limitation is - on Intel Macs - latency? No, the latency compensation issue has been there all along (on all platforms). I was just saying that the next version will fix that, and also be available as a UB. You might have to wait around until then before trying it anyway. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 12:44:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EECF33BEE1; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:44:27 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <2523.128.193.37.230.1151368432.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Message-ID: <20060627124427.277390@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2523.128.193.37.230.1151368432.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Subject: Re: more loopy sax To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tom nice work, really like the groove :-) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 12:52:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48BBC3BEE6; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060627085054.01cb9c88@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 08:52:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Something Good In SooperLooper (was: Mobius on Mac someday?) In-Reply-To: <8535EB39-7681-4382-814A-B00865C3B1BA@gmail.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> <8535EB39-7681-4382-814A-B00865C3B1BA@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6C136313 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Say Per, That might be a good feature to ask Jeff about for the track setup= =20 preferences. I still haven't gotten into v 1.28 and worked with, maybe it's= =20 there already? At 08:31 AM 6/27/2006, you wrote: >>>@Mark: As far as I can see, SooperLooper is "only" a stereo EDP. I >>>would really miss M=F6bius' ability to have 8 parallel loops for >>>building arrangements. > > >SooperLooper has a nice feature that I miss in both my EDP and >Mobius. It's the option to set feedback to only happen when you're >overdubbing. This makes it possible to play with a constant setting >of, let's say, seventy percent feedback. As long as you are not >overdubbing the loop will not fade away. I frequently do that mistake >on both the EDP and Mobius - forgetting to move back the feedback >pedal into the full position and then I suddenly find that my Boys In >The Band have left their instruments and are leaving me all alone. >With Mobius I then have to pump the overdub button to force them back >on stage. That little tic square of SL's is nice. Also nice that it's >not put away into some preferences menu but has it's own tic box >right thare in the graphical interface. > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 13:27:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 371253BED9; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-115.messagelabs.com!1151414847!15943054!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9391@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: line 6 echo pro? Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:27:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C699ED.6C99DE80" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:27:31 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C699ED.6C99DE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>It's lack of properly implemented MIDI sync made me give it up but if you operated it with manual tempo it did some cool stuff.<< eh? mark, please elaborate.... you mean in it's looping mode? fair enough, I've never really used them as a looper.=20 but I have three of them which I use as regular delay boxes, & they're pretty good. the gain management, which should be invisible to the user once the in & out levels are adjusted, isn't. the thing needs tweaking as you go amongst the models. but they are every bit as good as the DL4, & midi-syncable, & of course there are loads of memories & more delay time. I think the looping function is probably a waste of time, though. without a midi foot controller, you're screwed anyway, but even with one... you've got one huge loop & the same simple functionality as the DL4. it does, however, support a number of different modes of "bypass". despite there being three choices, I can't find the one I like. (the position of the mix pot is memorised with a preset, but there's a way to make it global aswell). it will mute the input & leave a trail of echoes. it will mute everything. it will go into hard bypass.=20 it WON'T leave a trail of echoes & pass the dry input at the same time, like the DL4 does when you've stood on it while switching it on. so as a standalone box, it's missing something vital. I've read a lot of stuff on review sites about how it sucks tone, hisses, hums, all sorts of stuff. apart from some hassles with the gain structure varying from one model to the next, I have no complaints. one of my three had a hardware failure right after I got it (from ebay), & line6-UK fixed it for =A330, inc shipping, in less than a week. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C699ED.6C99DE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: line 6 echo pro?

>>It's lack of properly implemented MIDI sync made = me give it up but if you operated it with manual tempo it did some cool stu= ff.<<

eh? mark, please elaborate.... you mean in it's looping m= ode? fair enough, I've never really used them as a looper.


but I have three of them which I use as regular delay box= es, & they're pretty good. the gain management, which should be invisib= le to the user once the in & out levels are adjusted, isn't. the thing = needs tweaking as you go amongst the models. but they are every bit as good= as the DL4, & midi-syncable, & of course there are loads of memori= es & more delay time.

I think the looping function is probably a waste of time,= though. without a midi foot controller, you're screwed anyway, but even wi= th one... you've got one huge loop & the same simple functionality as t= he DL4.

it does, however, support a number of different modes of = "bypass". despite there being three choices, I can't find the one= I like. (the position of the mix pot is memorised with a preset, but there= 's a way to make it global aswell). it will mute the input & leave a tr= ail of echoes. it will mute everything. it will go into hard bypass.

it WON'T leave a trail of echoes & pass the dry input= at the same time, like the DL4 does when you've stood on it while switchin= g it on. so as a standalone box, it's missing something vital.

I've read a lot of stuff on review sites about how it suc= ks tone, hisses, hums, all sorts of stuff. apart from some hassles with the= gain structure varying from one model to the next, I have no complaints. o= ne of my three had a hardware failure right after I got it (from ebay), &am= p; line6-UK fixed it for =A330, inc shipping, in less than a week.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C699ED.6C99DE80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 13:33:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A93523BEDE; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HijnmaPCOQ0qj4UHd5nqZtzajE5YBZb2M6W00/g0o3UrRCAZccoediNGSy3VBniFyaDyi9IS0IzJooaht1zVMexOh7tI0gx7aiDCTIblwyeQKMHIbPdLJm5b8vwevIFVTIWsirF6yzHbtNNww0PVxX4v6vd1PwLhwfCctKSvVLc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20060627085054.01cb9c88@mail.wightman.ca> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB2DE@keel.sailpoint.com> <9620509A-8681-4D5D-B780-96D4A4D158B5@skeletonhome.com> <20060627115128.100370@gmx.net> <8535EB39-7681-4382-814A-B00865C3B1BA@gmail.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20060627085054.01cb9c88@mail.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B940883-74D2-4F41-B1A7-259180AB99DA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Something Good In SooperLooper (was: Something Wicked This Way Comes) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:33:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Good point, Paul! I have posted that wish long ago, so buy now it =20 should be well on it's way toward the bright and shiny future along =20 those other great feature requests assembled inside Jeff's tobacco =20 colored notebook. (uh, why that color...? dunno - just a wild guess ;-) per On 27 jun 2006, at 14.52, paul wrote: > Say Per, That might be a good feature to ask Jeff about for the =20 > track setup preferences. I still haven't gotten into v 1.28 and =20 > worked with, maybe it's there already? > > > At 08:31 AM 6/27/2006, you wrote: > >>>> @Mark: As far as I can see, SooperLooper is "only" a stereo EDP. I >>>> would really miss M=F6bius' ability to have 8 parallel loops for >>>> building arrangements. >> >> >> SooperLooper has a nice feature that I miss in both my EDP and >> Mobius. It's the option to set feedback to only happen when you're >> overdubbing. This makes it possible to play with a constant setting >> of, let's say, seventy percent feedback. As long as you are not >> overdubbing the loop will not fade away. I frequently do that mistake >> on both the EDP and Mobius - forgetting to move back the feedback >> pedal into the full position and then I suddenly find that my Boys In >> The Band have left their instruments and are leaving me all alone. >> With Mobius I then have to pump the overdub button to force them ba >> on stage. That little tic square of SL's is nice. Also nice that it's >> not put away into some preferences menu but has it's own tic box >> right thare in the graphical interface. >> >> Gr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 14:01:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551753BEDA; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060627075539.01b9ada8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060626221054.0C4C13BF4F@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060627075539.01b9ada8@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:57:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re:Re: line 6 echo pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-_etxD.A.3VB.EpToEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:41 +0000 (UTC) All of the regular delay models in the DL4 also allow full wet signal using the mix knob, too. The looper does not. Does it on the rackmount version? >>I would like to know if the dry signal path is attenuated by the >>'mix' knob, so that the loop function could be used on an aux send. >>The DL4 always has the direct signal present in loop mode. > >If it's like the filter Modeller, then yes it does this, >and there's also an option to make the bypass analog. > >andy butler -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 14:37:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8338D3BED9; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c699f7$284ca000$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: , "Chapman Stick discussion list" Subject: FS: Alembic F2-B & Alesis Q2 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:37:02 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69A07.EAF54930" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:37:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69A07.EAF54930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there! Not posted in Ebay. Alesis Quadraverb 2 Effects Processor. Alembic F2-B Stereo Tube Preamp. I have these two beauties for sale since I'm switching to an (almost) all SW based rack. I'm located in Spain. Make offers privately = if you are interested. I can send pics of both if needed. Cheers! Ra=FCl.=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69A07.EAF54930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there!

Not posted in = Ebay.

Alesis=20 Quadraverb 2 Effects Processor.
Alembic F2-B Stereo Tube = Preamp.

I=20 have these two beauties for sale since I'm switching to an
(almost) = all SW=20 based rack. I'm located in Spain. Make offers privately if you are=20 interested. I can send pics of both if=20 needed.

Cheers!
Ra=FCl. 

The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69A07.EAF54930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 15:43:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68FC23BEDB; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Something Good In SooperLooper (was: Something Wicked This Way Comes) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:43:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB355@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <7B940883-74D2-4F41-B1A7-259180AB99DA@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Something Good In SooperLooper (was: Something Wicked This Way Comes) Thread-Index: AcaZ7lVzvBLdDDDxQ862/la+CENEdwAEVgIQ From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:43:32 +0000 (UTC) > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 > by now it should be well on it's way toward the bright and=20 > shiny future along those other great feature requests > assembled inside Jeff's tobacco colored notebook. > (uh, why that color...? dunno - just a wild guess ;-) Actually, it's more of a pastel lavender with a picture of a shimmering unicorn, -M o b i u s- written in glitter glue,=20 the 'i' dotted with a heart. And yes, InterfaceMode=3DConservativeOverdub is in there. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 15:51:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967B43BEDE; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1151423495!3235995!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC939A@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: rumors of a "hidden"track on 10,000 days Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:51:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69A01.8F4EF8C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:51:38 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69A01.8F4EF8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i havent heard it yet...<< I have only heard them doing bits of the album live (the drummer has an amazing collection of analogue synths, & had his AKS next to him). I have the album, but haven't got past the 3-D specs/artwork yet...... but while we're on the subject of melodic metal/rock, did anyone notice I casually threw a mention of levitation into a recent post? both the guitarist (christian "bic" hayes, ex-Cardiacs) & lawrence o'keefe were excellent live jamman users. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>i havent heard it yet...<<

I have only heard them doing bits of the album live (the = drummer has an amazing collection of analogue synths, & had his AKS nex= t to him). I have the album, but haven't got past the 3-D specs/artwork yet= ......

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C69A01.8F4EF8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 15:55:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768933BEE1; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Bidule for Krispen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:55:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB35B@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <410-22006622724738680@earthlink.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bidule for Krispen Thread-Index: AcaZk5RuO4GX2AUEQNGH8JAahohlPAAbkj+g From: "jeff larson" To: , Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:55:45 +0000 (UTC) > From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]=20 >=20 > It occurs to me that "Bidule for Krispen" would make a fine=20 > song title. Song title? Heck, I'm using it for my next band name! (after my current band breaks up under the inevitable weight of its own success). > Hmmm... wondering about the etymology of "Bidule" According to the Plogue web site, the word "Bidule" is French for "thingy" or "gadget". "Thingy for Krispen" just doesn't have the same panache. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:04:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3273BEF4; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JZUVsPQRMhtq6xQxYT0ohqEae/Pnw+WUbg608UvmeYWGNkBf1vkllkpdZ4/hy/l/Cqie/aE9BJddreBw85NTShM6PQx+ArJDfjbElx8ett2KqZTZA0KQz5mBrUmT7+6O8LJn4IBaOSXlzOu0s4NX6FjslkxzRSePbw57naE49uw= Message-ID: <913728d60606270904r4ecf2a69v5cdb2062a21faa3b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:04:18 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rumors of a "hidden"track on 10,000 days In-Reply-To: <20060627080248.35555.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060627080248.35555.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:04:20 +0000 (UTC) The only thing i have heard about strange things on the 10,000 days cd is this -> http://spo0nman.blogspot.com/2006/05/more-on-10000-days.html virginit thres and wings for marie, and then play them at the same time, its supposed to line up or something like that. i guy did it, and put a sound clip here http://www.snoopy.force9.co.uk/10000_Days_Secret_Megamix.mp3 Charlie On 6/27/06, daniel stevenson wrote: > i havent heard it yet but folks are saying tool is at > it again with the weirdness...the track "virginiti > tres"meaning 23 in latin, symbolizes synchronicity,and > that if you add the play times of "wings part 1 & > virginiti tres"it equals the play time of "wings part > 2" 6:11 + 5:02=11:13 > if anyone knows a link where this synced song can be > heard...fill me in,i would like to hear it. > end transmission, > DS > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:11:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4301C3BEE9; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAFjzoESBSohO Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060627170655.01b6eca8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:11:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Something Good In SooperLooper, now edp feature for Per In-Reply-To: <20060627154332.E7DF63BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060627154332.E7DF63BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:11:03 +0000 (UTC) >SooperLooper has a nice feature that I miss in both my EDP and >Mobius. It's the option to set feedback to only happen when you're >overdubbing. That feature is right there in the EDP just waiting for you. Delay Mode does it, by swapping Overdub for a freeze function. Expert Mode does it too. ( Expert Mode, the EDP feature that no-one admits to originating) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:27:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9F983BEDD; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IVL2ZWoKO1CI9Zfd+f/8ZEAKJZEfKzog6sb///idRzLvyEVVtsINmDPO660SRfeOs2g05CxKrMN15owyMU65nN+1PlG9qdo9Vo8tcZCIKmU0bTf8e8AJ5EwRrrj9rMYc+xC5H9mjoeNpBo9KJ6GFoxdq9ndiorgqChs039Djdkc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060627170655.01b6eca8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060627154332.E7DF63BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060627170655.01b6eca8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <000BE8A0-3133-4130-9167-6EBFD914FE39@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Something Good In SooperLooper, now edp feature for Per Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:27:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <3C6eP.A.Ti.1xVoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:27:33 +0000 (UTC) >> SooperLooper has a nice feature that I miss in both my EDP and >> Mobius. It's the option to set feedback to only happen when you're >> overdubbing. > On 27 jun 2006, at 18.11, a k butler wrote: > That feature is right there in the EDP just waiting for you. > > Delay Mode does it, by swapping Overdub for a freeze function. > > Expert Mode does it too. ( Expert Mode, the EDP feature that no-one > admits to originating) > > andy butler Cool, thanks! I didn't know that. The mode I like most with the EDP =20 is RePlace Mode. Hmmm.... maybe I have a faint memory of the feature =20 being there as well.... my brain has become so M=F6biUsed lately ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:30:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55C293BEF0; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JObhM9wMODuAGsIRV3Twe5YvrxIu6k7+nG6qyTcJX6iunwoSh0CY9k6m1iPr+bPkTYyqVsO36410U42HoKKfJBPFu/T3nyEcvOkGMwbofzYyJb9CewNrg33s5Zxse3Om8t7j/EU8aZ+zxRA0rqoyJwD6ec30a1owxEtHtBPidhc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB35B@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB35B@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <54B97C21-251E-4B1A-B42E-FF132DB43229@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Crispy Thing (was: "Thingy for Krispen") Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:30:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: <6mp3DB.A.Wv.f0VoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:30:24 +0000 (UTC) On 27 jun 2006, at 17.55, jeff larson wrote: > According to the Plogue web site, the word "Bidule" is > French for "thingy" or "gadget". > > "Thingy for Krispen" just doesn't have the same panache. taste "Crispy Thing" ;-)) p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:36:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94B083BEF0; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060627123557.75j96szg4gkwkcow@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:35:57 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Crispy Thing (was: "Thingy for Krispen") References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB35B@keel.sailpoint.com> <54B97C21-251E-4B1A-B42E-FF132DB43229@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <54B97C21-251E-4B1A-B42E-FF132DB43229@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6b13s.A.r_.y5VoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Krispen's Thingy? I'm sorry but it had to be said Quoting Per Boysen : > On 27 jun 2006, at 17.55, jeff larson wrote: > >> According to the Plogue web site, the word "Bidule" is >> French for "thingy" or "gadget". >> >> "Thingy for Krispen" just doesn't have the same panache. > > > taste "Crispy Thing" ;-)) > > p > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5EB73BEF4; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Something Good In SooperLooper, now edp feature for Per Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000BE8A0-3133-4130-9167-6EBFD914FE39@gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3fR8qC.A.jGB.V6VoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Gee , leave it to ol' smarty pants Butler to have all the answers, Gosh you would think that he had some sort of design or beta test input on the EDP or something. Oh wait,, he did! Hey Andy , do I have to go to some kind of EDP finishing school, to be able to use expert mode? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Something Good In SooperLooper, now edp feature for Per >> SooperLooper has a nice feature that I miss in both my EDP and >> Mobius. It's the option to set feedback to only happen when you're >> overdubbing. > On 27 jun 2006, at 18.11, a k butler wrote: > That feature is right there in the EDP just waiting for you. > > Delay Mode does it, by swapping Overdub for a freeze function. > > Expert Mode does it too. ( Expert Mode, the EDP feature that no-one > admits to originating) > > andy butler Cool, thanks! I didn't know that. The mode I like most with the EDP is RePlace Mode. Hmmm.... maybe I have a faint memory of the feature being there as well.... my brain has become so MöbiUsed lately ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:38:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77BD13BEEA; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Crispy Thing (was: "Thingy for Krispen") Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:38:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060627123557.75j96szg4gkwkcow@www.wightman.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Yes , Krispen's Thingy was performed soley on his Koch amp. Or was it his Fuchs amps, not real sure. Bill -----Original Message----- From: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Crispy Thing (was: "Thingy for Krispen") Krispen's Thingy? I'm sorry but it had to be said Quoting Per Boysen : > On 27 jun 2006, at 17.55, jeff larson wrote: > >> According to the Plogue web site, the word "Bidule" is >> French for "thingy" or "gadget". >> >> "Thingy for Krispen" just doesn't have the same panache. > > > taste "Crispy Thing" ;-)) > > p > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:44:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C75D3BEFF; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ca301c69a08$f84f72d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Crispy Thing (was: "Thingy for Krispen") Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:44:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Roland, roland, roland...keep them puns a roland... :) This is getting out of hand now. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: RE: Crispy Thing (was: "Thingy for Krispen") > Yes , Krispen's Thingy was performed soley on his Koch amp. Or was it his > Fuchs amps, not real sure. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Crispy Thing (was: "Thingy for Krispen") > > > Krispen's Thingy? > > I'm sorry but it had to be said > > > > > > > Quoting Per Boysen : > >> On 27 jun 2006, at 17.55, jeff larson wrote: >> >>> According to the Plogue web site, the word "Bidule" is >>> French for "thingy" or "gadget". >>> >>> "Thingy for Krispen" just doesn't have the same panache. >> >> >> taste "Crispy Thing" ;-)) >> >> p >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 16:51:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83AF33BEE2; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44A2B47E.6040805@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:55:26 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Alembic F2-B & Alesis Q2 References: <000801c699f7$284ca000$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> In-Reply-To: <000801c699f7$284ca000$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <69rlqC.A.L-B.kIWoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:51:49 +0000 (UTC) That is an AMAZING preamp ! raul bonell wrote: > Hi there! > > Not posted in Ebay. > > Alesis Quadraverb 2 Effects Processor. > Alembic F2-B Stereo Tube Preamp. > > I have these two beauties for sale since I'm switching to an > (almost) all SW based rack. I'm located in Spain. Make offers > privately if you are interested. I can send pics of both if needed. > > Cheers! > Raül. > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 17:14:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BE593BEDA; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OFMmWK2OBH8/X/e6WfWm15m1gz2rpQ3PKc+kxLUIbL11wWDLjwKoJ3veR39LOjtbjYp0kMWQcvnzqybkP2f5EFEu1jVMNkGae/yz9y9KMJkcb1xwaCkiOazk8FallfIj6vYudDe2t3vp4E26nGYNy3fmgj7jsCj1KF9fc2LIJoo= ; Message-ID: <20060627171411.76908.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Bidule question... (and my vst wrapper findings so far) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0bdc01c699a8$4cb67820$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <63_afC.A.J1C.ldWoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bidule users! I downloaded a demo this morning and it looks good. Nice that it's dual platform too. What I'm most hopeful about is it's robust sync capabilities. Before I crack it open a bit tonight I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask a question. Has anyone used it where it's getting it's sync from a MIDI clock external to the computer? This is my plan. I'd love to hear your experiences if you have. My plan is to run my laptop as a softsynth/effects/mobius-looper machine while synced to MIDI clock coming from Digital Performer (that's running drum sequences) Thanks, Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 17:41:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0C773BED9; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44A2B47E.6040805@unguitar.com> References: <000801c699f7$284ca000$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <44A2B47E.6040805@unguitar.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--823278556 Message-Id: <9cff21c1d538a1748973660a79f505da@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: FS: Alembic F2-B & Alesis Q2 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:41:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:41:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--823278556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Nice music Raul. I wouldn't change a thing! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Jun-06, at 9:55 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > That is an AMAZING preamp ! > > raul bonell wrote: > >> Hi there! >> >> Not posted in Ebay. >> >> Alesis Quadraverb 2 Effects Processor. >> Alembic F2-B Stereo Tube Preamp. >> >> I have these two beauties for sale since I'm switching to an >> (almost) all SW based rack. I'm located in Spain. Make offers=20 >> privately if you are interested. I can send pics of both if needed. >> >> Cheers! >> Ra=FCl. >> The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo >> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > --Apple-Mail-2--823278556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice music Raul.=20 I wouldn't change a thing! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 28-Jun-06, at 9:55 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: That is an AMAZING preamp ! raul bonell wrote: Hi there! Not posted in Ebay. Alesis Quadraverb 2 Effects Processor. Alembic F2-B Stereo Tube Preamp. I have these two beauties for sale since I'm switching to an (almost) all SW based rack. I'm located in Spain. Make offers privately if you are interested. I can send pics of both if needed. Cheers! Ra=FCl.=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com = --Apple-Mail-2--823278556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 17:44:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5E903BEE2; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=TivGBrMuxQts1CPY/BZ4fA1y3n0+UmLl2h/F3l9kjoDmiprc0YewZLBsFWzE3I29x1n8RcZyT8iu11gtnjCiKRL9ISCHTYRkJjC7Q3Y1kHJXKvVsmlXRrFcVI5eUHHXG52rmHFIwMMNz95Pt8taOURPLsGGRHgrOElkohRG3iQk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:44:36 -0400 From: Keith To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Boomerang Looper?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:44:40 +0000 (UTC) has anyone heard anything new about a new 'rang looper? i saw mentioned in an earlier thread that a new pedal was coming out for the summer namm. does anyone have any further info on this? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 17:47:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18BB3BEEE; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ALnSLc9R/6nhavuWwWeZQZEUwHd8vWyLv/meVEplAg4R/WxD6yNKVElNqdfL7lCqyGafJUivBlu7DiUISNj+Bs+RBNi5ciI1gBB+BGm3lveg2NbENIuNKJaZT24AfFBelpNbj5oxwoxddSNraJe3j86ONzjKCM0mz+9nZeifcvc= ; Message-ID: <20060627174727.11338.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: line 6 echo pro? To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9391@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Put it in basic digital delay mode while synced to a clock and turn up the feedback. It's actually a great effect... unless you don't want your repeats to sound like they're slowly being eaten by digital termites. Mark --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>It's lack of properly implemented MIDI sync made > me give it up but if you > operated it with manual tempo it did some cool > stuff.<< > > eh? mark, please elaborate.... you mean in it's > looping mode? fair enough, > I've never really used them as a looper. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 18:19:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC5AC3BEE0; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060627141903.aiwdsfz45dxvcwwg@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:19:03 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boomerang Looper?? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:19:12 +0000 (UTC) I am supposed to be notified when it's close to coming out and have yet to hear. Anyone else? ~peace~ Plish Quoting Keith : > has anyone heard anything new about a new 'rang looper? i saw > mentioned in an earlier thread that a new pedal was coming out for the > summer namm. does anyone have any further info on this? > > thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 18:39:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA3043BEE1; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: FW: Mal returns Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:39:22 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c69a19$05e5bd40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:39:36 +0000 (UTC) FYI Bernhard http://nosuch.biz -----Original Message----- From: malwebb@netspace.net.au [mailto:malwebb@netspace.net.au]=20 Sent: Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 19:49 To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: Mal returns Hi everyone, I=B4m in Europe! Sorry about the lack of notice, but my = computer=20 died and it took me this long to retrieve the email addresses from it. = I=B4ve=20 only got the below mentioned performances in Austria and a few workshops = before I go to England. The workshop mentioned on my website (which = starts=20 tomorrow) is booked out. I=B4ll be in Vienna until July 7... in case you = have=20 thoughts of a last minute workshop or house concert! My new CD, "3 = cheers for=20 Peace and Quiet" is selling well and I have copies with me (or you can = get it=20 though my website, www.malwebb.com ). I hope all=B4s well and I promise = I=B4ll=20 return soon with a few more performances, thine, Mal Friday June 30, 8pm, Mal Webb solo in concert in Purbach, Austria. Heuriger Sandhofer, Kellerplatz, A-7083 Purbach. Tel/Fax: 02683 2541 = Mobil:=20 0699/1236 6237 heuriger@sandhofer.net / www.sandhofer.net Saturday July 1, Mal Webb, Carl Pannuzzo and fab Viennese acapella group = Triu at Goldegger Blues and Folktage in Goldegg, Austria. Triu start at 7:30pm=20 and Carl and I start at 9pm. (Apologies for calling Triu their old=20 name "Singapur" on my webite!) =20 www.argebluesfolk.com -- Why not discover the ever changing joys of the Mal Webb Site? http://malwebb.customer.netspace.net.au or www.malwebb.com From tp-verify@paypal.com Tue Jun 27 19:16:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4440 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:16:04 UTC Received: from fep9.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (fep9.mfe.bur.connect.com.au [203.63.86.9]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C323BED9 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (unknown [210.8.90.81]) by fep9.mfe.bur.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 48298C056; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:01:50 +1000 (EST) From: "PayPal Security Center" Subject: Please Update Your PayPal Accounts ! 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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 27 21:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B78BC3BED6; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8A7D280A-A05F-447D-BAC6-CFB7FAE7FFE5@earthlink.net> <040c01c6986b$7e10a320$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Evans Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:17:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:17:58 +0000 (UTC) I have never personally used a Fireworx, but I've played with a guy that uses one, and I think it sounds great. I do own an Eclipse, though, and can't imagine playing without one at this point ... at least not until I raise the cash and move up to an H8000. The H8000FW is damn expensive, but if you figure in 8 times the processing power, anything-to-anything internal routing, custom algorithms, and built-in FW computer interface factors (at roughly double the price), it seems worth every penny. Tangent. Sorry about that. Back to the Eclipse: The sound quality is frankly amazing, and that's before we even get to the effects. Pristine audio quality. When I got it I used it strictly with clean guitar sounds to get a good idea of what the algorithms are doing. I thought it sounded just beautiful. I've run piezos, mics, and clean gtr signals straight into it and once you get the levels in the correct area, you couldn't ask for better. After the honeymoon phase the Eclipse went into the FX loop of a triaxis delivering a wide range of gain structures, and sounded pretty good, but the triaxis was so noisy that it hurt to hear all that noise multiplied by delay effects - and if you've got two effects available (even with each effects huge potential) you don't really want to burn one on a noise gate. Since then I've sold the triaxis, and found the variety of tones I desire (along with patch specific noise gate settings) in a Line 6 Vetta II. So currently my entire magnetic pu signal chain is guitar -> vetta II -> spdif fx loop -> eclipse. As far as algorithms go, there are definitely presets that will sound familiar. But if you take one of those presets and customize it, the variety of sound manipulation is quite large. That statement is more true with the non-traditional algorithms than it is with usual suspects. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 01:32:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1329D3BED3; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dca01c69a52$ad465020$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Finally put the boogie mark I and cab on eBay Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:32:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3Z5mvB.A.roG.gwdoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Finally put the boogie mark I and cab on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160002482854 Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 02:06:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 328643BED6; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rumors of a "hidden"track on 10,000 days In-Reply-To: <20060627080248.35555.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060627080248.35555.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:06:45 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, daniel stevenson wrote: > i havent heard it yet but folks are saying tool is at > it again with the weirdness...the track "virginiti > tres"meaning 23 in latin, symbolizes synchronicity,and > that if you add the play times of "wings part 1 & > virginiti tres"it equals the play time of "wings part > 2" 6:11 + 5:02=11:13 > if anyone knows a link where this synced song can be > heard...fill me in,i would like to hear it. A couple of weeks ago, I found a link to a copy of the three sync'd-up tracks on this link http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39308&highlight=&sid=8050690c72776ddb94671f3f4ff6fc60 (might wrap badly, here's the link broken in two pieces) http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39308&highlight=& ;sid=8050690c72776ddb94671f3f4ff6fc60 There's a link to the mp3 in at least two places in that discussion thread, but I'm posting the link to the top of the thread for the waveform pics. The result of merging the three, I like. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 04:43:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 978153BED9; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UnqWXV60/CxSLZcOJv053KRKa7+fTsdujPtkh/nSA2Uu4eS/FjGhO4mtMAh+z6HAWK8Lc9Lxk/un2+HFSVsPIxgWuqGgX1M6l3+GK43mq9IPP9qHOIT6OmWmsxfWCVSR8Jd6eftXNszRqwW4pXI3Hw6vCElx55byRj+OE9hd1bo= ; Message-ID: <20060628044328.69318.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: rumors of a "hidden"track on 10,000 days To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:43:29 +0000 (UTC) thanks, thats just what i was looking for Steve.i am going to buy 10,000 days,it seems that the merging of the three is a hell of a marketing tool for Tool because i havent purchased any music for quite a while. keep em ringin, 23 scary synchonicity --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, daniel stevenson wrote: > > > i havent heard it yet but folks are saying tool is > at > > it again with the weirdness...the track "virginiti > > tres"meaning 23 in latin, symbolizes > synchronicity,and > > that if you add the play times of "wings part 1 & > > virginiti tres"it equals the play time of "wings > part > > 2" 6:11 + 5:02=11:13 > > if anyone knows a link where this synced song can > be > > heard...fill me in,i would like to hear it. > > A couple of weeks ago, I found a link to a copy of > the three sync'd-up > tracks on this link > > http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39308&highlight=&sid=8050690c72776ddb94671f3f4ff6fc60 > > (might wrap badly, here's the link broken in two > pieces) > http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39308&highlight=& > ;sid=8050690c72776ddb94671f3f4ff6fc60 > > There's a link to the mp3 in at least two places in > that discussion > thread, but I'm posting the link to the top of the > thread for the > waveform pics. The result of merging the three, I > like. > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex > http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 05:32:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6D7B3BECD; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Kevin Mulvihill" To: Subject: RE: Electrix Repeater for Sale Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:27 -0700 Organization: Sudden Insight Message-ID: <004d01c69a74$3e1f99a0$6601a8c0@OFFICE1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1671.128.193.37.230.1151344061.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaZSKC7Wd3VRak2SmqJpXZZaX59mwBK0jPw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Reserve on my Repeater has been met at $349, and that means that someone is buying this unit! Who will own it? We'll find out soon because today is the last day of the auction! Wish any of you who may be interested good luck! Kevin > > With all the recent for sale posts I've seen on this list, I just > > wanted to let everyone know that I have an Electrix > Repeater up for sale on eBay too. > > It's here at: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7424189567 > > What's the reserve on the unit? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 05:34:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A3A3BEDE; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e101c69a74$969bbaf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:29:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the United States at a: GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST SUNDAY, JULY 2nd featuring MASSIMO LIVERANI BILL WALKER RICK WALKER at ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) 120 Pearl Alley* Santa Cruz, California 8 pm $5/donation no one turned away for lack of funds ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 06:43:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AB393BEC5; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000001c69a7e$36c450b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:29:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the United States at a: GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST SUNDAY, JULY 2nd featuring MASSIMO LIVERANI BILL WALKER RICK WALKER at ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) 120 Pearl Alley* Santa Cruz, California 8 pm $5/donation no one turned away for lack of funds ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 06:48:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94D343BED6; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ce01c69a7e$e525bbd0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:45:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the United States at a: GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST SUNDAY, JULY 2nd featuring MASSIMO LIVERANI BILL WALKER RICK WALKER at ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) 120 Pearl Alley* Santa Cruz, California 8 pm $5/donation no one turned away for lack of funds ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 07:39:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46A343BECD; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:39:19 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20060628073919.28060@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Running SooperLooper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi last night I've installed JackOSX and also SooperLooper on my Intel Mac. I've started the Jack Server, but when I ran SooperLooper, it would simply freeze (or actually you would see only the "hourglass" or whatever you might call it on the Mac) with Activity Monitor stating "not responding". Now, since I'm quite new to Mac, I might have messed up something.. Do I have to install/run anything else? Anything special on Intel Mac? Can I troubleshoot some logfiles somewhere? Any ideas? best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 08:29:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47C9D3BECF; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AJjgJyFIDDbWSKZns3DyCwNyfGOAHlw7DcdlEB2BWRbqxlLLuO/4pLVbwqC8WxZ9zXbSeqSd/9n+IRe9EddT/aDJMw+8tifXGt7LfRpZo44rDEofGTB2zvbWJhAx08tkVeoig1hCefjhOShZ0s2wta8AURs69xu8V1jmcP1xYMY= ; Message-ID: <20060628082936.78132.qmail@web26210.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:29:36 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: analog-digital and stereoloops To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1083635631-1151483376=:69731" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:29:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1083635631-1151483376=:69731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! My gear: guitar- roland gr-30- experience fuzz-vox wah- rat dist- micro synth- boss compr- tc 2290 delay- splitt signal into fender amp and mesa amp with electrix repeater in the mesas fx loop. what I would like: To have the roland synth in stereo, but still able to use my pedals. To have the loops made in stereo (or at least with some panning effect). Maybe the answer is to split signal after pedals and then send the signal from the tc onto repeater- to a DI box and to PA. And the other signal after pedals onto a little looper (line 6) and the to my fender ? But still my gr-30 would be in mono ! Any thoughs on how to get the gr 30 in stereo with my repeater, still using my pedals, with both the analog signal rute and the digital rute to the PA ? Any thoughs ? best regards of Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1083635631-1151483376=:69731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
My gear:
guitar- roland gr-30- experience fuzz-vox wah- rat dist- micro synth- boss compr- tc 2290 delay- splitt signal into fender amp and mesa amp with electrix repeater in the mesas fx loop.
 
what I would like:
To have the roland synth in stereo, but still able to use my pedals.
To have the loops made in stereo (or at least with some panning effect).
 
Maybe the answer is to split signal after pedals and then send the signal from the tc onto repeater- to a DI box and to PA. And the other signal after pedals onto a little looper (line 6) and the to my fender ?
 
But still my gr-30 would be in mono !
 
Any thoughs on how to get the gr 30 in stereo with my repeater, still using my pedals, with both the analog signal rute and the digital rute to the PA ?
 
Any thoughs ?
 
best regards of Rune F.  
 


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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1083635631-1151483376=:69731-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 08:40:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783723BED6; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=k9iGAeOhcY3nNfApCJwlDAqe10IXVosBBV9qqdli7J+Qqz4DMPKQb5kiidMO3QoGIffY5hUQwzaHVXPC7+MNuX15Kv5cYqnvipbRw/6w3NbIrti3wYpammp2Gksp3kOJVUCBdOGYUVF+MtdIT/B28suo3FI+8CM8T0syGi+E7+4= In-Reply-To: <20060628073919.28060@gmx.net> References: <20060628073919.28060@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B17AFDC-7472-4D80-80CB-8443FFA77FCB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Running SooperLooper Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:39:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:40:06 +0000 (UTC) On 28 jun 2006, at 09.39, Buzap Buzap wrote: > last night I've installed JackOSX and also SooperLooper on my Intel > Mac. > I've started the Jack Server, but when I ran SooperLooper, it would > simply freeze (or actually you would see only the "hourglass" or > whatever you might call it on the Mac) with Activity Monitor > stating "not responding". Just a quick shot: Are you sure all software are MacIntel compatible? (Universal Binary - "UB"). You would need the UB vesion of SooperLooper and the UB Jack Server. If available...? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 08:40:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A8993BEDA; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RiFgyJ2o2MdhZZig+lD6+recDMfvVdD20zYyYCAwrfzG2xTQyC0Z8/59yAxSfcsbD5OOKQA0yEDu975jN63/omfduhZx3BMTqruphryhGQHXaEdQQ3o4JsqRStrmsj4weV8HvJQcVIxjdDiSixBk8aGV/jOVG0EBfbRTOt5bmFw= ; Message-ID: <20060628084055.8068.qmail@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:40:55 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: ANALOG-DIGITAL AND STEREOLOOPS To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-66985313-1151484055=:2775" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-66985313-1151484055=:2775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! ANY TIPS OF HOW TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE GEAR, REGARDING SOUND AND OPTIONS ? My gear: guitar- roland gr-30- experience fuzz-vox wah- rat dist- micro synth- boss compr- tc 2290 delay- splitt signal into fender amp and mesa amp with electrix repeater in the mesas fx loop. what I would like: To have the roland synth in stereo, but still able to use my pedals. To have the loops made in stereo (or at least with some panning effect). Maybe the answer is to split signal after pedals and then send the signal from the tc onto repeater- to a DI box and to PA. And the other signal after pedals onto a little looper (line 6) and the to my fender ? But still my gr-30 would be in mono ! Any thoughs on how to get the gr 30 in stereo with my repeater, still using my pedals, with both the analog signal rute and the digital rute to the PA ? Any thoughs ? best regards of Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-66985313-1151484055=:2775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
ANY TIPS OF HOW TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE GEAR, REGARDING SOUND AND OPTIONS ?
 
My gear:
guitar- roland gr-30- experience fuzz-vox wah- rat dist- micro synth- boss compr- tc 2290 delay- splitt signal into fender amp and mesa amp with electrix repeater in the mesas fx loop.
 
what I would like:
To have the roland synth in stereo, but still able to use my pedals.
To have the loops made in stereo (or at least with some panning effect).
 
Maybe the answer is to split signal after pedals and then send the signal from the tc onto repeater- to a DI box and to PA. And the other signal after pedals onto a little looper (line 6) and the to my fender ?
 
But still my gr-30 would be in mono !
 
Any thoughs on how to get the gr 30 in stereo with my repeater, still using my pedals, with both the analog signal rute and the digital rute to the PA ?
 
Any thoughs ?
 
best regards of Rune F.  


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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-66985313-1151484055=:2775-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 10:41:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 194243BECD; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:41:43 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: electr-ohm-streaming playlist 28th June 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5HUoD.A.B3C.uzloEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Hello, electr-ohm-streaming playlist 28th June 06 ============================= Ollie Olsen / I Am the Server (Creative Space) STRAND / Guitars & Noises (Toi Thich Nhac) cisfinitum / Bezdna (Monochrome Vision) Miguel A. Ruiz / Grosor (Monochrome Vision) Life's Decay / Art Decay Extremism (Abstraktsens Produktions) ============================= please visit to: http://www.myspace.com/electrohm and click which is your player's logo, iTunes or Real One Player. Playlist will change on every Wednesday. All tracks will play by shuffle. 7D/24H streaming from Kobe,Japan. ============================= electr-ohm electronic music label & distribution http://www.electr-ohm.com Thanks Sunao From service@ncua.gov Wed Jun 28 10:49:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1225 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:49:50 UTC Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D990E3BEB6 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from i-Orbital.com (pkirkham.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.101.165]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31438236F4F; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:28:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from User ([62.211.11.7]) by i-Orbital.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:27:31 +0100 Reply-To: From: "National Credit Union Administration" Subject: Notice. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12.32.04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2006 10:27:31.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[767E00B0:01C69A9D] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; NCUA
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 11:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050763BED5; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ZQ862HmSQLAUYPckd+buwqDdibGyRudBFYe6eydftep2msXSzBbyJfLZGxTrvv92vwaS6hKDjmk3BR3Wgd8l4kBHT7pik/9Wrd7l0qSy/Ldb9PpmBZBWsRP8OSV8kpIzPwLqtDH/DeSBDVHUZbauRe+p1DdCy+ehxPwMzd4A3DY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:38:17 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Running SooperLooper In-Reply-To: <20060628073919.28060@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060628073919.28060@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fb79509bc9b6ee7b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:38:20 +0000 (UTC) On 6/28/06, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi > > last night I've installed JackOSX and also SooperLooper on my Intel Mac. > I've started the Jack Server, but when I ran SooperLooper, it would simply freeze (or actually you would see only the "hourglass" or whatever you might call it on the Mac) with Activity Monitor stating "not responding". I'm sorry, I thought I mentioned that sooperlooper is not a universal binary yet, it is PPC only. I'll post here when the next version is released that is universal. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 11:56:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F013BEDD; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 28 Jun 2006 13:56:22 +0200 Message-ID: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner" Reply-To: loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post message ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From service@ncua.gov Wed Jun 28 12:09:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA2B3BEC7; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from i-Orbital.com (pkirkham.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.101.165]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850172372C2; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:09:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from User ([62.211.11.7]) by i-Orbital.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:08:22 +0100 Reply-To: From: "National Credit Union Administration" Subject: Notice. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14.12.55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2006 12:08:22.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D052E90:01C69AAB] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; NCUA
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 12:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA89F3BEDC; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Bqr1fTfuAn5D85CraPwREptFgbtxXIP89Cr3VFYNFYTh8b5YiiWvGI9sPy+8chJO; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220066328124158570@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:41:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a8df11c206f99631aafc6b0bdd4d4963350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.112 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Always glad to crack up a friend! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Krispen Hartung > To: > Date: 6/27/2006 1:12:34 AM > Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen > > You're cracking me up... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:47 PM > Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen > > > > It occurs to me that "Bidule for Krispen" would make a fine song title. > > > > Hmmm... wondering about the etymology of "Bidule".... perhaps short for > > "bidet schedule"? > > I can see it now... "I get to use it at 9:05! Wait your turn, > > spottytrousers!!" > > > > Yours in Nonlinearity, > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: > >> To: > >> Date: 6/26/2006 3:50:07 PM > >> Subject: Re: Bidule for Krispen > >> > >> This is exactly what I've been doing with Bidule, I have 9 different > >> strings of > >> vsts, each with a different sound that I want to capture. I can switch > >> from one > >> to another with the midi foot pedal anytime during a tune. It's a > >> wonderful sort > >> of freedom. But I like having the strings and the components of the > > strings on > >> the screen so that if I want to make any minor adjustments I can very > > quickly > >> get at that vst and make whatever adjustments I want. I have been running > > into > >> that cpu overload problem but in my case I believe it is largely due to > > the > >> cpu.... I put a prescott core cpu in and it just runs way too hot for a > >> 1u > >> rackmount computer. The other one I built has a northwood core and cpu > > usuage > >> never goes over 50% and the temp never cracks 60 F, The prescott quite > > often > >> gets up over 75 F and then the cpu load jumps completely over the top. > > I've > >> ordered a new one, hopefully I'll get this week. > >> > >> Paul Haslem > >> hammered dulcimer and guitar > >> Ontario, Canda > >> www.dulcify.ca > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quoting a k butler : > >> > >> > At 17:23 26/06/2006, you wrote: > >> >> I would like a host that allows me to create a "module" of VSTs in a > >> >> seqeence, or in parallel, and to bring that up immediately with the > >> >> touch of a button. I know Bidule does this, but I don't want to see > >> >> all the blased VSTs on the screen. > >> > > >> > You can put a whole load of FX into a group in Bidule, and then it > >> > appears as a single box. > >> > > >> > andy > >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 13:18:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0123BEE0; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:18:41 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060628131841.8920@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060628073919.28060@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Running SooperLooper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jesse it's my fault. I had this naive idea that everything programmed for PPC would run under Rosetta on Intel Mac ;-) I'm looking forward to the Universal Binaries :-) Best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 14:11:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF3BD3BEE1; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e7201c69abc$b85846c0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00ce01c69a7e$e525bbd0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:11:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Sounds fun, Rick. Are you playing guitar? Bass? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first > Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the > United States at a: > > GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST > > SUNDAY, JULY 2nd > > featuring > MASSIMO LIVERANI > BILL WALKER > RICK WALKER > at > ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) > 120 Pearl Alley* > Santa Cruz, California > > 8 pm $5/donation > no one turned away for lack of funds > > ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 14:26:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 911EA3BEC7; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:26:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:26:38 +0000 (UTC) How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:56 AM Subject: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post message > ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: > http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html > > September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. > > How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 15:04:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E453BEF3; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:03:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Heheheheh, Yep, them was the days young feller (swallows dramatically and spits,=20 imitating old geezer). Wait! I AM an old geezer! Just a little over a month later (October 3,=20= 1996) I posted my first e-mail to Looper's Delight.=20 from my old e-mail address KILLINFO@aol.com. I had just taken delivery of my first and only pair of EDPs and was=20 looking for RAM. It is kind of remarkable to me (looking back) that these devices have lasted me so=20 long. It could very possiblly be said that only my wife, my Gibson RD guitar and my Sustainiac Model=20= B have been with me longer. Heheheh. Everything else has changed. Time flies . . . whether you're having fun or not. But, mostly it's=20 been fun. Thanks Kim! Cheers! tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post=20 > message > ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: > http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html > > September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. > > How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 16:38:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8282D3BEE8; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:38:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:38:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2006 16:38:07.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C6E9400:01C69AD1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:38:18 +0000 (UTC) > How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a > giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a > playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. > > Kris YES !!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 16:48:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575AE3BEFF; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:48:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01C69AA0.688417D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:48:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01C69AA0.688417D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's do it!! I will create one today. Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise = Idaho USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a = >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed = via a=20 >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. >> >> Kris >=20 >=20 > YES !!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01C69AA0.688417D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let's do it!!  I will create one=20 today.
 
Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate = format and=20 upload them here:
 
http://www.box.net/
Login: loopersdelight
Password: loopersdelight
 
Title the MP3 with your name and = location, like=20 Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fabio Anile" <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38=20 AM
Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of = Looper's=20 Delight ?

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>> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and = host the=20 playlist.
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> ------=_NextPart_000_0F5E_01C69AA0.688417D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 16:59:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC713BF00; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001201c69a19$05e5bd40$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <001201c69a19$05e5bd40$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--739423011 Message-Id: <151b9f8b6be993bf57c0e138c4266c1d@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Mal returns Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:59:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3fJ8g.A.CcF.3VroEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:59:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--739423011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed For those of you who haven't, DO check out his music. I belly laughed=20= (at waterbear) and thought it was VERY wonderful! Must be all that=20 Fosters Beer... richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Jun-06, at 11:39 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > FYI > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > -----Original Message----- > From: malwebb@netspace.net.au [mailto:malwebb@netspace.net.au] > Sent: Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 19:49 > To: undisclosed-recipients: > Subject: Mal returns > > > Hi everyone, I=B4m in Europe! Sorry about the lack of notice, but my=20= > computer > died and it took me this long to retrieve the email addresses from it.=20= > I=B4ve > only got the below mentioned performances in Austria and a few=20 > workshops > before I go to England. The workshop mentioned on my website (which=20 > starts > tomorrow) is booked out. I=B4ll be in Vienna until July 7... in case = you=20 > have > thoughts of a last minute workshop or house concert! My new CD, "3=20 > cheers > for > Peace and Quiet" is selling well and I have copies with me (or you can=20= > get > it > though my website, www.malwebb.com ). I hope all=B4s well and I = promise=20 > I=B4ll > return soon with a few more performances, thine, Mal > > Friday June 30, 8pm, Mal Webb solo in concert in Purbach, Austria. > Heuriger Sandhofer, Kellerplatz, A-7083 Purbach. Tel/Fax: 02683 2541=20= > Mobil: > 0699/1236 6237 > heuriger@sandhofer.net / www.sandhofer.net > > Saturday July 1, Mal Webb, Carl Pannuzzo and fab Viennese acapella=20 > group > Triu at Goldegger Blues and Folktage in Goldegg, Austria. Triu start = at > 7:30pm > and Carl and I start at 9pm. (Apologies for calling Triu their old > name "Singapur" on my webite!) > www.argebluesfolk.com > > -- > > Why not discover the ever changing joys of the Mal Webb Site? > http://malwebb.customer.netspace.net.au or www.malwebb.com > > > --Apple-Mail-8--739423011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those of you who haven't, DO check out his music.=20= I belly laughed (at waterbear) and thought it was VERY wonderful!=20 Must be all that Fosters Beer... Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 27-Jun-06, at 11:39 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: FYI Bernhard http://nosuch.biz -----Original Message----- From: malwebb@netspace.net.au [mailto:malwebb@netspace.net.au]=20 Sent: Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 19:49 To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: Mal returns Hi everyone, I=B4m in Europe! Sorry about the lack of notice, but my computer=20 died and it took me this long to retrieve the email addresses from it. I=B4ve=20 only got the below mentioned performances in Austria and a few workshops=20 before I go to England. The workshop mentioned on my website (which starts=20 tomorrow) is booked out. I=B4ll be in Vienna until July 7... in case you have=20 thoughts of a last minute workshop or house concert! My new CD, "3 cheers for=20 Peace and Quiet" is selling well and I have copies with me (or you can get it=20 though my website, www.malwebb.com ). I hope all=B4s well and I promise I=B4ll=20 return soon with a few more performances, thine, Mal Friday June 30, 8pm, Mal Webb solo in concert in Purbach, Austria. Heuriger Sandhofer, Kellerplatz, A-7083 Purbach. Tel/Fax: 02683 2541 Mobil:=20 0699/1236 6237 heuriger@sandhofer.net / www.sandhofer.net Saturday July 1, Mal Webb, Carl Pannuzzo and fab Viennese acapella group=20 Triu at Goldegger Blues and Folktage in Goldegg, Austria. Triu start at 7:30pm=20 and Carl and I start at 9pm. (Apologies for calling Triu their old=20 name "Singapur" on my webite!) =20 www.argebluesfolk.com -- Why not discover the ever changing joys of the Mal Webb Site? http://malwebb.customer.netspace.net.au or www.malwebb.com = --Apple-Mail-8--739423011-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 17:19:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C1F73BEF6; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMALdVokQlgSWIVw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060628181808.01b919e0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:19:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <20060628165935.0EBBF3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060628165935.0EBBF3BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:19:41 +0000 (UTC) At 17:59 28/06/2006, you wrote: >Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post message >ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: >http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html > >September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. > >How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! > >Bernhard >http://nosuch.biz so what we really need to know is the date of the first UNSUBSCRIBE andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 17:28:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E7FC3BEF7; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:28:40 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:28:45 +0000 (UTC) this sounds like a very cool little project, I can get something recorded on the weekend! Paul Haslem hammered dulcimer and guitar www.dulcify.ca Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Let's do it!! I will create one today. > > Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: > > http://www.box.net/ > Login: loopersdelight > Password: loopersdelight > > Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise > Idaho USA.mp3 > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:03:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0453BEF5; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rij2CXqRSsK4iXyyibSWRTSdDMMoEXk2KTageuXJ50GLulCH/8dSgOpgSTpdhBc9J9GPmoT2VdRv9LI1F8126z/EJ46HhbnIdADcA+iLzk6hbje2oMatCKyzkw8kya7C4A/i1SvmzUylQC62O4m6r7bEPsyaxu2HnLwPvPeyPuI= Message-ID: <913728d60606281103v3942c1a7h7990837cb1a13383@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:03:26 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? In-Reply-To: <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10583_26060773.1151517806696" References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:03:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10583_26060773.1151517806696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline should we make our loop in a certain key? Charlie On 6/28/06, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > > this sounds like a very cool little project, I can get something > recorded on the > weekend! > > Paul Haslem > hammered dulcimer and guitar > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > > Let's do it!! I will create one today. > > > > Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: > > > > http://www.box.net/ > > Login: loopersdelight > > Password: loopersdelight > > > > Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise > > Idaho USA.mp3 > > > > Kris > > ------=_Part_10583_26060773.1151517806696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
should we make our loop in a certain key?
 
 
Charlie
 
 

 
On 6/28/06, phaslem@wightman.ca <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:
this sounds like a very cool little project, I can get something
recorded on the
weekend!

Paul Haslem
hammered dulcimer and guitar
www.dulcify.ca





Quoting Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:

> Let's do it!!  I will create one today.
>
> Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here:
>
> http://www.box.net/
> Login: loopersdelight
> Password: loopersdelight
>
> Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise
> Idaho USA.mp3
>
> Kris


------=_Part_10583_26060773.1151517806696-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:10:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751BD3BF06; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60606281103v3942c1a7h7990837cb1a13383@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:09:01 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/28/2006 02:11:00 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: <7OWP7.A.kI.IYsoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:10:16 +0000 (UTC) No way! If there was a way to include tempo & key in the file name though, it might facillitate Krispen stitching them together......... "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 06/28/2006 02:03 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Please respond to Loopers-Delight should we make our loop in a certain key? Charlie On 6/28/06, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: this sounds like a very cool little project, I can get something recorded on the weekend! Paul Haslem hammered dulcimer and guitar www.dulcify.ca Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Let's do it!! I will create one today. > > Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: > > http://www.box.net/ > Login: loopersdelight > Password: loopersdelight > > Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise > Idaho USA.mp3 > > Kris --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:27:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D3CE3BF15; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000201c69ae0$7caf8fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:45:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the United States at a: GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST SUNDAY, JULY 2nd featuring MASSIMO LIVERANI BILL WALKER RICK WALKER at ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) 120 Pearl Alley* Santa Cruz, California 8 pm $5/donation no one turned away for lack of funds ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:43:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B0E3BEEC; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0fe301c69ae2$b63857b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:43:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:43:18 +0000 (UTC) That would be cool....mine won't have any key or tempo, of course. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > No way! > > If there was a way to include tempo & key in the file name though, it > might > facillitate Krispen stitching them together......... > > > > > "Charlie Milkey" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 02:03 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's > anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Please respond to > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > should we make our loop in a certain key? > > > Charlie > > > > > On 6/28/06, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > this sounds like a very cool little project, I can get something > recorded on the > weekend! > > Paul Haslem > hammered dulcimer and guitar > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > > Let's do it!! I will create one today. > > > > Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: > > > > http://www.box.net/ > > Login: loopersdelight > > Password: loopersdelight > > > > Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise > > Idaho USA.mp3 > > > > Kris > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:45:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52DAD3BF04; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: guitar identification - your help is needed Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:47:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone help me identify this guitar (what make etc.)? I got it about 15 years ago for about $100 and never really bothered to find out what make it is because I didn't now how I possibly could with only a logo. There's no name, no serial number, nothing. The fact that it has DiMarzio pickups didn't help either. Only lately has it occured to me that some of you guys might recognize the logo. Have a look: http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/my_guitar.jpg Cheers, Nico From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:45:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC823BF07; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ff701c69ae3$172b86a0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000201c69ae0$7caf8fb0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:45:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <0h2AQ.A.VjB.m5soEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one of their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first > Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the > United States at a: > > GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST > > SUNDAY, JULY 2nd > > featuring > MASSIMO LIVERANI > BILL WALKER > RICK WALKER > at > ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) > 120 Pearl Alley* > Santa Cruz, California > > 8 pm $5/donation > no one turned away for lack of funds > > ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:48:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA8F3BF0C; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0ff701c69ae3$172b86a0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:46:59 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/28/2006 02:48:58 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Absolutely, and yes it definitely is. There's a full acount of the lyric's origin in The Phish Book. Wash Uffize & drive me to Firenze!! (BTW- if you have any other Phish questions, there's a good chance I can answer them.) ; ) "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Please respond to Brother's WALKER Loopers-Delight Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one of their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first > Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the > United States at a: > > GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST > > SUNDAY, JULY 2nd > > featuring > MASSIMO LIVERANI > BILL WALKER > RICK WALKER > at > ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) > 120 Pearl Alley* > Santa Cruz, California > > 8 pm $5/donation > no one turned away for lack of funds > > ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:50:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69B173BF1E; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0ff701c69ae3$172b86a0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:49:33 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/28/2006 02:51:31 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Here's a bit of the history of YEM............................ http://www.phish.net/faq/yem.html "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Please respond to Brother's WALKER Loopers-Delight Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one of their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first > Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in the > United States at a: > > GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST > > SUNDAY, JULY 2nd > > featuring > MASSIMO LIVERANI > BILL WALKER > RICK WALKER > at > ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) > 120 Pearl Alley* > Santa Cruz, California > > 8 pm $5/donation > no one turned away for lack of funds > > ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 18:52:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5A463BF2A; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <100f01c69ae4$0df1f6e0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:52:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Okay, what song did they debut at Boise, Idaho, when they played here last? hehe heh...I was there. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Absolutely, and yes it definitely is. There's a full acount of the lyric's > origin in The Phish Book. > > Wash Uffize & drive me to Firenze!! > > > (BTW- if you have any other Phish questions, there's a good chance I can > answer them.) ; ) > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one of > their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM > Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI > and the Brother's WALKER > > >> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first >> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in > the >> United States at a: >> >> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST >> >> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd >> >> featuring >> MASSIMO LIVERANI >> BILL WALKER >> RICK WALKER >> at >> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) >> 120 Pearl Alley* >> Santa Cruz, California >> >> 8 pm $5/donation >> no one turned away for lack of funds >> >> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:00:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6C5A3BF35; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <101e01c69ae5$2de68c30$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:00:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Good grief...I suppose someone has documented how many times each member of the band uses the rest room each day and when, what they ate, etc.... I love Phish, but I lost interest after Billy Breathes....yawn. A Live One and Rift are my favorites. I still need to get the White Album concert. And of course, I really like Trey's side project Surrender to the Air... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Here's a bit of the history of YEM............................ > > http://www.phish.net/faq/yem.html > > > > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one of > their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM > Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI > and the Brother's WALKER > > >> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first >> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in > the >> United States at a: >> >> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST >> >> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd >> >> featuring >> MASSIMO LIVERANI >> BILL WALKER >> RICK WALKER >> at >> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) >> 120 Pearl Alley* >> Santa Cruz, California >> >> 8 pm $5/donation >> no one turned away for lack of funds >> >> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BFD83BF4B; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,189,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="1324055605:sNHT26387546" Message-ID: <1838177723.1151521342138.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:02:22 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Kris, In all my free time . . . yeah, uh huh . . . I'll try to post you somethin= g or another too. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > Let's do it!! I will create one today. >=20 > Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: >=20 > http://www.box.net/ > Login: loopersdelight > Password: loopersdelight >=20 > Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise Idah= o USA.mp3 >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Fabio Anile" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >=20 >=20 > >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a= =20 > >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via= a=20 > >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. > >> > >> Kris > >=20 > >=20 > > YES !!! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:03:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB8323BF4C; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <100f01c69ae4$0df1f6e0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:01:50 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/28/2006 03:03:48 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: <1dZiuB.A.2pC.nJtoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Ha, I assume you're talking about Zappa's Peaches En Regalia in 1999.....but that wasn't a debut. It was however the first time they'd played it since 2/28/97, or 161 shows. OK, I cheated for that last part. I didn't know the last time played off the top of my head. The real winner of that show, though, is the What's The Use?- what an awesome tune. "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 06/28/2006 02:52 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Please respond to Brother's WALKER Loopers-Delight Okay, what song did they debut at Boise, Idaho, when they played here last? hehe heh...I was there. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Absolutely, and yes it definitely is. There's a full acount of the lyric's > origin in The Phish Book. > > Wash Uffize & drive me to Firenze!! > > > (BTW- if you have any other Phish questions, there's a good chance I can > answer them.) ; ) > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one of > their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM > Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI > and the Brother's WALKER > > >> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first >> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in > the >> United States at a: >> >> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST >> >> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd >> >> featuring >> MASSIMO LIVERANI >> BILL WALKER >> RICK WALKER >> at >> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) >> 120 Pearl Alley* >> Santa Cruz, California >> >> 8 pm $5/donation >> no one turned away for lack of funds >> >> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:05:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A02B73BED6; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1330483200.1151521541841.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:05:41 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Surrender to the Air. I've got that one. It's the only Phish-related CD I o= wn. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > Good grief...I suppose someone has documented how many times each member = of=20 > the band uses the rest room each day and when, what they ate, etc.... I l= ove=20 > Phish, but I lost interest after Billy Breathes....yawn. A Live One and R= ift=20 > are my favorites. I still need to get the White Album concert. And of=20 > course, I really like Trey's side project Surrender to the Air... >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO=20 > LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER >=20 >=20 > > Here's a bit of the history of YEM............................ > > > > http://www.phish.net/faq/yem.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To:=20 > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > cc: > > 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar= =20 > > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > > > > > > > Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one= of > > their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "loop.pool" > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM > > Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERA= NI > > and the Brother's WALKER > > > > > >> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the firs= t > >> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in > > the > >> United States at a: > >> > >> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST > >> > >> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd > >> > >> featuring > >> MASSIMO LIVERANI > >> BILL WALKER > >> RICK WALKER > >> at > >> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) > >> 120 Pearl Alley* > >> Santa Cruz, California > >> > >> 8 pm $5/donation > >> no one turned away for lack of funds > >> > >> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the= =20 > > use > > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt f= rom > > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified th= at > > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > > > >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:08:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 576193BEF7; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <103301c69ae6$417b8f10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:08:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:08:38 +0000 (UTC) I debut song at Boise was Taste. http://www.phish.com/tmiph/ Of course, I barely remember, as my brain was...well, you know the story. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Ha, I assume you're talking about Zappa's Peaches En Regalia in > 1999.....but that wasn't a debut. It was however the first time they'd > played it since 2/28/97, or 161 shows. > > OK, I cheated for that last part. I didn't know the last time played off > the top of my head. The real winner of that show, though, is the What's > The > Use?- what an awesome tune. > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 02:52 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > Okay, what song did they debut at Boise, Idaho, when they played here > last? > > hehe heh...I was there. :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO > LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > > >> Absolutely, and yes it definitely is. There's a full acount of the > lyric's >> origin in The Phish Book. >> >> Wash Uffize & drive me to Firenze!! >> >> >> (BTW- if you have any other Phish questions, there's a good chance I can >> answer them.) ; ) >> >> >> >> >> "Krispen Hartung" To: >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> cc: >> 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar >> Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the >> Please respond to Brother's WALKER >> Loopers-Delight >> >> >> >> >> >> Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one > of >> their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "loop.pool" >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM >> Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI >> and the Brother's WALKER >> >> >>> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first >>> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in >> the >>> United States at a: >>> >>> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST >>> >>> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd >>> >>> featuring >>> MASSIMO LIVERANI >>> BILL WALKER >>> RICK WALKER >>> at >>> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) >>> 120 Pearl Alley* >>> Santa Cruz, California >>> >>> 8 pm $5/donation >>> no one turned away for lack of funds >>> >>> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the >> use >> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt > from >> disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that >> any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >> please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:10:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 510D53BF44; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <101e01c69ae5$2de68c30$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:09:34 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/28/2006 03:11:33 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Close to it, for sure. I also thought Billy Breathes was a less than stellar effort from the band, but surprisingly, among hard core fans it seems to be one of the most respected albums they put out. I do think Character Zero rocks, and Theme from The Bottom has some neat stuff going on in it. But yeah, nothing on the level of something like Rift. My initial exposure to any kind of looping came from Phish & Trey, of course it's his dive-bomb Whammy, asynchronus background noise style loops, which is about as far away as you can get from what I do, but still- that's the root of my interest in this genre. I almost never listen to Phish anymore, but I will always owe them for exposing me to a huge world of musical exploration. "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 06/28/2006 03:00 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Please respond to Brother's WALKER Loopers-Delight Good grief...I suppose someone has documented how many times each member of the band uses the rest room each day and when, what they ate, etc.... I love Phish, but I lost interest after Billy Breathes....yawn. A Live One and Rift are my favorites. I still need to get the White Album concert. And of course, I really like Trey's side project Surrender to the Air... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Here's a bit of the history of YEM............................ > > http://www.phish.net/faq/yem.html > > > > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one of > their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM > Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI > and the Brother's WALKER > > >> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first >> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in > the >> United States at a: >> >> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST >> >> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd >> >> featuring >> MASSIMO LIVERANI >> BILL WALKER >> RICK WALKER >> at >> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) >> 120 Pearl Alley* >> Santa Cruz, California >> >> 8 pm $5/donation >> no one turned away for lack of funds >> >> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! >> >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:10:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0CED3BF58; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <104201c69ae6$91b82d80$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1330483200.1151521541841.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:10:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Don't you love how that CD begins? With the drum solos....subtle, then it scares the hell out of you... BTW, I sold my Mesa Boogie an hour ago. I hope to buy a used Fireworx before the end of the week. I'll hold off on getting Reaktor 5 and MAX/MSP for now, as I can only handle so much computer stuff at the same time these days. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Cc: "Krispen Hartung" Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Surrender to the Air. I've got that one. It's the only Phish-related CD I own. -- tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Good grief...I suppose someone has documented how many times each member > of > the band uses the rest room each day and when, what they ate, etc.... I > love > Phish, but I lost interest after Billy Breathes....yawn. A Live One and > Rift > are my favorites. I still need to get the White Album concert. And of > course, I really like Trey's side project Surrender to the Air... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:49 PM > Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO > LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > > > > Here's a bit of the history of YEM............................ > > > > http://www.phish.net/faq/yem.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > cc: > > 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > > > > > > > Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one > > of > > their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "loop.pool" > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM > > Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO > > LIVERANI > > and the Brother's WALKER > > > > > >> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first > >> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in > > the > >> United States at a: > >> > >> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST > >> > >> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd > >> > >> featuring > >> MASSIMO LIVERANI > >> BILL WALKER > >> RICK WALKER > >> at > >> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) > >> 120 Pearl Alley* > >> Santa Cruz, California > >> > >> 8 pm $5/donation > >> no one turned away for lack of funds > >> > >> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > > use > > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt > > from > > disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, > > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:14:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24AB23BF70; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <103301c69ae6$417b8f10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:12:47 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/28/2006 03:14:46 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Bah. You mixed your years in the question- the last time Phish was in Boise was in 1999. Taste was debuted in 1995. : ) "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 06/28/2006 03:08 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Please respond to Brother's WALKER Loopers-Delight I debut song at Boise was Taste. http://www.phish.com/tmiph/ Of course, I barely remember, as my brain was...well, you know the story. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Ha, I assume you're talking about Zappa's Peaches En Regalia in > 1999.....but that wasn't a debut. It was however the first time they'd > played it since 2/28/97, or 161 shows. > > OK, I cheated for that last part. I didn't know the last time played off > the top of my head. The real winner of that show, though, is the What's > The > Use?- what an awesome tune. > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 02:52 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > Okay, what song did they debut at Boise, Idaho, when they played here > last? > > hehe heh...I was there. :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO > LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > > >> Absolutely, and yes it definitely is. There's a full acount of the > lyric's >> origin in The Phish Book. >> >> Wash Uffize & drive me to Firenze!! >> >> >> (BTW- if you have any other Phish questions, there's a good chance I can >> answer them.) ; ) >> >> >> >> >> "Krispen Hartung" To: >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> cc: >> 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar >> Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the >> Please respond to Brother's WALKER >> Loopers-Delight >> >> >> >> >> >> Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one > of >> their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "loop.pool" >> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM >> Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI >> and the Brother's WALKER >> >> >>> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first >>> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in >> the >>> United States at a: >>> >>> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST >>> >>> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd >>> >>> featuring >>> MASSIMO LIVERANI >>> BILL WALKER >>> RICK WALKER >>> at >>> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) >>> 120 Pearl Alley* >>> Santa Cruz, California >>> >>> 8 pm $5/donation >>> no one turned away for lack of funds >>> >>> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the >> use >> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt > from >> disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:17:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E34B83BF7B; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMABNyokSBSohW Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060628201436.01b59948@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:17:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: guitar identification - your help is needed In-Reply-To: <20060628190057.3DF653BF3B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060628190057.3DF653BF3B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:17:06 +0000 (UTC) At 20:00 28/06/2006, you wrote: >Can anyone help me identify this guitar (what make etc.)? I got it >about 15 years ago for about $100 and never really bothered to find >out what make it is because I didn't now how I possibly could with >only a logo. There's no name, no serial number, nothing. The fact >that it has DiMarzio pickups didn't help either. Only lately has it >occured to me that some of you guys might recognize the logo. Have a look: > >http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/my_guitar.jpg > >Cheers, http://www.westburyguitars.com/ andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:21:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E6DD3BF26; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1330483200.1151521541841.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> References: <1330483200.1151521541841.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <7b9a1f145253294ddfd6d3a36e5bb91b@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: TEd Killian and Phish Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:21:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Ted!!!! Say it isn't so!!!! You OWN a Phish CD!!??? Oh wait......that CD has a great lineup.....except for that trey=20 somebody guitarist....who is he with? Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 28, 2006, at 12:05 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Surrender to the Air. I've got that one. It's the only Phish-related=20= > CD I own.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:22:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D033A3BF48; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=goDubD484gm1Co1AZ8SRyCCyzR7njxe5aWXl54c5URCG2YUcLlJ//CO3vYj1juCwQYHhLiH3pyzjD3FhKTgt+ObmLPE1tAGmJIzgmcb/2HKeXbtlBufNlALRx+U/YwLG6/+K4d8oVimB0k7QDnx2BAOSNh+mRxKBcv/PCqSagcg= ; Message-ID: <20060628192154.89644.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: guitar identification - your help is needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:22:39 +0000 (UTC) I think it's a finish brand called Køksüka --- nico spahni wrote: > Can anyone help me identify this guitar (what make > etc.)? I got it > about 15 years ago for about $100 and never really > bothered to find out > what make it is because I didn't now how I possibly > could with only a > logo. There's no name, no serial number, nothing. > The fact that it has > DiMarzio pickups didn't help either. Only lately has > it occured to me > that some of you guys might recognize the logo. Have > a look: > > http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/my_guitar.jpg > > Cheers, > > Nico > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:23:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C77973BF3A; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003401c69ae8$5c3c8c80$0301a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <913728d60606281103v3942c1a7h7990837cb1a13383@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:23:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:23:41 +0000 (UTC) > should we make our loop in a certain key? > > > Charlie > yes and the track must ebow and plug in Cl02 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 19:58:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FA1F3BF24; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: nico spahni , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:58:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: guitar identification - your help is needed Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44A2ED76.6114.2D40AFB@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:58:43 +0000 (UTC) On 28 Jun 2006 at 20:47, nico spahni wrote: > Can anyone help me identify this guitar (what make etc.)? Looks like a "Westone" to me All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 20:01:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB8B3BF26; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <105701c69aed$9bade7b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:01:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:01:22 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot they played here again after 1995...but they did debut the song here. I remember them saying it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > Bah. You mixed your years in the question- the last time Phish was in > Boise > was in 1999. Taste was debuted in 1995. : ) > > > > > "Krispen Hartung" To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > cc: > 06/28/2006 03:08 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar > Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the > Please respond to Brother's WALKER > Loopers-Delight > > > > > > I debut song at Boise was Taste. http://www.phish.com/tmiph/ Of course, > I > > barely remember, as my brain was...well, you know the story. :) > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO > LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER > > >> Ha, I assume you're talking about Zappa's Peaches En Regalia in >> 1999.....but that wasn't a debut. It was however the first time they'd >> played it since 2/28/97, or 161 shows. >> >> OK, I cheated for that last part. I didn't know the last time played off >> the top of my head. The real winner of that show, though, is the What's >> The >> Use?- what an awesome tune. >> >> >> >> >> "Krispen Hartung" To: >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> cc: >> 06/28/2006 02:52 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar >> Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the >> Please respond to Brother's WALKER >> Loopers-Delight >> >> >> >> >> >> Okay, what song did they debut at Boise, Idaho, when they played here >> last? >> >> hehe heh...I was there. :) >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:46 PM >> Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO >> LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER >> >> >>> Absolutely, and yes it definitely is. There's a full acount of the >> lyric's >>> origin in The Phish Book. >>> >>> Wash Uffize & drive me to Firenze!! >>> >>> >>> (BTW- if you have any other Phish questions, there's a good chance I can >>> answer them.) ; ) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Krispen Hartung" To: >>> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> cc: >>> 06/28/2006 02:45 PM Subject: Re: Mini Guitar >>> Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the >>> Please respond to Brother's WALKER >>> Loopers-Delight >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Firenze....hmmmm, I wonder if that is what Phish is referring to on one >> of >>> their live tune lyrics. Anyone know what I am talking about? >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "loop.pool" >>> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:45 AM >>> Subject: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO > LIVERANI >>> and the Brother's WALKER >>> >>> >>>> Massimo Liverani, the Italian looping guitarist who produced the first >>>> Firenze Live Looping Festival will be performing for the first time in >>> the >>>> United States at a: >>>> >>>> GUITAR LOOPING MINI FEST >>>> >>>> SUNDAY, JULY 2nd >>>> >>>> featuring >>>> MASSIMO LIVERANI >>>> BILL WALKER >>>> RICK WALKER >>>> at >>>> ALCHEMY (site of Y2K5) >>>> 120 Pearl Alley* >>>> Santa Cruz, California >>>> >>>> 8 pm $5/donation >>>> no one turned away for lack of funds >>>> >>>> ALL AGES WELCOME!!!!!! >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the >>> use >>> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >>> information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt >> from >>> disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 20:29:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD7513BF35; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:29:03 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c69af1$80396a00$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C69B02.43C23A00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acaa0rXEOZVe+/6/QtS+qLuBhADkhgAHrQ9Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:29:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C69B02.43C23A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope you'll give us the privileges to download when it's finished (says the second contributor so far...) _____ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 18:49 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Let's do it!! I will create one today. Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabio Anile" < fabio.anile@tiscali.it> To: < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. >> >> Kris > > > YES !!! > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C69B02.43C23A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope you'll give us the privileges to = download when it's=20 finished (says the second contributor so far...)

Von: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni = 2006=20 18:49
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re:=20 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ?

Let's do it!!  I will create one = today.
 
Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate = format and=20 upload them here:
 
Login: loopersdelight
Password: loopersdelight
 
Title the MP3 with your name and = location, like=20 Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fabio Anile" <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38=20 AM
Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of = Looper's=20 Delight ?

>> How about each of us record a 30 second looping = piece and we=20 create a
>> giant collage of looping stringed together in = one MP3,=20 or streamed via a
>> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s = and=20 host the playlist.
>>
>> Kris
>
> =
> YES=20 !!!
>
>
>
> = ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C69B02.43C23A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 20:32:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39D833BF3E; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10ac01c69af2$02b5a660$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000a01c69af1$80396a00$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:32:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_10A9_01C69ABF.B6E50050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:32:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_10A9_01C69ABF.B6E50050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely. I'll share the whole director of files. / K ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? I hope you'll give us the privileges to download when it's finished = (says the second contributor so far...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 18:49 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Let's do it!! I will create one today. Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise = Idaho USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we = create a=20 >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or = streamed via a=20 >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. >> >> Kris >=20 >=20 > YES !!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_10A9_01C69ABF.B6E50050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Absolutely. I'll share the whole = director of files.=20 / K
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 = 2:29=20 PM
Subject: AW: 10 year's = anniversary of=20 Looper's Delight ?

I hope you'll give us the privileges to = download when=20 it's finished (says the second contributor so = far...)

Von: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. = Juni 2006=20 18:49
An: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Betreff:=20 Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ?

Let's do it!!  I will create = one=20 today.
 
Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 = rate format and=20 upload them here:
 
http://www.box.net/
Login: loopersdelight
Password: = loopersdelight
 
Title the MP3 with your name and = location, like=20 Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: "Fabio Anile" <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 = 10:38=20 AM
Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary = of Looper's=20 Delight ?

>> How about each of us record a 30 second looping = piece and we=20 create a
>> giant collage of looping stringed together in = one MP3,=20 or streamed via a
>> playlist. I'm willing to store the = MP3s and=20 host the playlist.
>>
>> Kris
>
> =
>=20 YES !!!
>
>
>
>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_10A9_01C69ABF.B6E50050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 21:16:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923523BF2A; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44A2F1AD.6000702@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:16:29 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cooking a song References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Thomas Rutgers wrote: > does anyone know people/artists who perform solo, "recycling" > themselves like live-loopers, but who use other compositorial techniques? > so not "building up" loop on loop, but for example playing back a little > melody that was played 3 minutes ago, on a different tempo, so it just > fits with the rythm played 5 minutes ago while the vocals are played > backward again... in this way "cooking" a song. Get the point? > I don't mean "electronic" composers, performers who use an acoustic > source for creating all kinds of sounds: it's really about creating > rythm&melody by (processed) repeating, with or without using prerecorded > material. I am doing kind of that with my Ondes Memorielles... But usually not so much cooking songs but cooking textures and sounds out of the memory I capture before. I first called my (Max)patch a delay sequencer, as I was building melodies with pitch shifted delays of varying length, which would typically be recognized as a melody with a rythmic structure if you trigger it with a single event. As each delay can be fed back, you could create pretty complex structures... > But there must be more people doing this thing! If anyone knows someone > it would be a great help! (trying to write my thesis about this) You're welcome... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 22:56:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B83143BF19; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jLtt8BpB8Nf72QBE+ykPlGFylaSs6od/vYMzoStVRXGHA9BKnmz/TPeTlyhFmSRNqQFALjQ+DQvs1imrvJIvu6MXskxoZQk+rhgUO78YU84feqYTh+LxhIHJXRLOqCHNl02g3cg76uqS4Mnw1ARdGInSqNU5PKPyxjhEfX/Ww8M= ; Message-ID: <20060628225635.27778.qmail@web27710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:56:35 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: guitar identification - your help is needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1134749158-1151535395=:27708" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:56:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-1134749158-1151535395=:27708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You lucky, lucky ba*d !!! That's a Westbury Standard. I had one of those about 25 years ago (eek !) and it's one of the few guitars I've ever regretted letting go of. I traded mine for an Aria ES-345 copy (a lovely guitar which I still have) to a guy who used the Westbury as his gigging guitar for years. They're pretty underrated, and they don't appear for sale second-hand too often - people who have them (generally) keep them. - Tony nico spahni wrote: Can anyone help me identify this guitar (what make etc.)? I got it about 15 years ago for about $100 and never really bothered to find out what make it is because I didn't now how I possibly could with only a logo. There's no name, no serial number, nothing. The fact that it has DiMarzio pickups didn't help either. Only lately has it occured to me that some of you guys might recognize the logo. Have a look: http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/my_guitar.jpg Cheers, Nico --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-1134749158-1151535395=:27708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You lucky, lucky ba*d !!!

That's a Westbury Standard. I had one of those about 25 years ago (eek !) and it's one of the few guitars I've ever regretted letting go of. I traded mine for an Aria ES-345 copy (a lovely guitar which I still have) to a guy who used the Westbury as his gigging guitar for years. They're pretty underrated, and they don't appear for sale second-hand too often - people who have them (generally) keep them.

- Tony

nico spahni <nicosp@gmx.net> wrote:
Can anyone help me identify this guitar (what make etc.)? I got it
about 15 years ago for about $100 and never really bothered to find out
what make it is because I didn't now how I possibly could with only a
logo. There's no name, no serial number, nothing. The fact that it has
DiMarzio pickups didn't help either. Only lately has it occured to me
that some of you guys might recognize the logo. Have a look:

http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/my_guitar.jpg

Cheers,

Nico


Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-1134749158-1151535395=:27708-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 28 23:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9451B3BF24; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44A315C6.8050206@infinivert.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:50:30 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0626-2, 06/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-Information: http://wtxs.net/support/spam.php Please contact the Texas Communications at 800-299-6962 for more information X-TexComm-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TexComm-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: josh@infinivert.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Ted, Off subject a bit: how do you like that Sustainiac Model B? I've looked at those for a while... --Josh tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Heheheheh, > > Yep, them was the days young feller (swallows dramatically and spits, > imitating old geezer). > Wait! I AM an old geezer! Just a little over a month later (October 3, > 1996) I posted my first > e-mail to Looper's Delight. > > from my old e-mail address KILLINFO@aol.com. > > I had just taken delivery of my first and only pair of EDPs and was > looking for RAM. It is kind of > remarkable to me (looking back) that these devices have lasted me so > long. It could very possiblly > be said that only my wife, my Gibson RD guitar and my Sustainiac Model > B have been with me > longer. Heheheh. Everything else has changed. > > Time flies . . . whether you're having fun or not. But, mostly it's > been fun. Thanks Kim! > > Cheers! > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > >> >> Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post >> message >> ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: >> http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html >> >> September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. >> >> How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! >> >> Bernhard >> http://nosuch.biz >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 00:02:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E271A3BF3C; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6TJfJ3d4o5unn5OV0mEjAP1loA+uOEpuHrfiXO+Zia1gEUI2wyfX2L0vSBb9Irwv1X8h9S+1jmfO/ibmEDP9jvuBpbG+ArNEiEqVjWM5kRbmxAUh7v/hf5YkQ1La/6mHN+CWLeSGfPrIbOs/v7WD2MUIy8zIVEP0klI7biwkpag= ; Message-ID: <20060629000200.47520.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: guitar identification - your help is needed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060628192154.89644.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:02:02 +0000 (UTC) OMG, I thought this was a joke. I thought that logo was supposed to be a... well naughty bits. I wondered if they were going for that when they designed it.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 00:06:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F87F3BF3F; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wyRMctpA/jqh1XCkfZTFmJu7Ihusv9B6NB4jldE0qkhXa+cCeyE8nte/bxAoy108uzfne3CKwsjyIgv+cIACb6i97fZGqYzkVU49nyazNjZVSOBtOOcHmkVvx0UzUx+CSFJAly67tJ7Xj/pYrmRLcu5uqB8rtM3CQk0wqcgKVmo= ; Message-ID: <20060629000602.3787.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Running SooperLooper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7B17AFDC-7472-4D80-80CB-8443FFA77FCB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I'm pretty sure neither Jack or Sooperlooper is UB. One of the reasons I opted out of the Macbook. As good as they are at making hardware it seemed silly to have to wait to run what I wanted to run when XP versions were available. Sad. Still use my Powerbook for graphics though. It's probably going to be a while before stuff is UB and ready to go. --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 28 jun 2006, at 09.39, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > last night I've installed JackOSX and also > SooperLooper on my Intel > > Mac. > > I've started the Jack Server, but when I ran > SooperLooper, it would > > simply freeze (or actually you would see only the > "hourglass" or > > whatever you might call it on the Mac) with > Activity Monitor > > stating "not responding". > > Just a quick shot: Are you sure all software are > MacIntel compatible? > (Universal Binary - "UB"). You would need the UB > vesion of > SooperLooper and the UB Jack Server. If > available...? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 01:38:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF883BF0E; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ki06oPHqK65iWaVQvAUnlu/HfcK8TBSVqIoaZD/ZhkchUfj7o7N6y6jMLgXJ71v5; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006642914136360@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:41:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ad0f3bb8cdf6b80522f636a35651c19e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.60 Resent-Message-ID: <9WBdB.A.5n.B8yoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:38:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I won't be able to act on this until next week. Is that okay? ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 6/28/2006 4:29:14 PM Subject: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? I hope you'll give us the privileges to download when it's finished (says the second contributor so far...) Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 18:49 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Let's do it!! I will create one today. Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. >> >> Kris > > > YES !!! > > > > ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
I won't be able to act on this until next week. Is that okay?
~Tim
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 6/28/2006 4:29:14 PM
Subject: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ?

I hope you'll give us the privileges to download when it's finished (says the second contributor so far...)

Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 18:49
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ?

Let's do it!!  I will create one today.
 
Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here:
 
Login: loopersdelight
Password: loopersdelight
 
Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fabio Anile" <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ?

>> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a
>> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a
>> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist.
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>> Kris
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> YES !!!
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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 01:43:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 656553BF11; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Xvby0PT9YtKxpgn5O1mBJ2C9Tkbbz7o4CcL/rcdmmH+4QN50KuTR0YM6OAHyZqlJ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006642914711180@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Westone was close Re: guitar identification - your help is needed Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:47:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94034ec85bbea7ede25aba356fd53e2558e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.60 Resent-Message-ID: <8yiKJD.A.phB.NBzoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Guys, it's a Westbury, a product of the Unicord company. In his book "Customizing Your Electric GUitar," the acoustic wizard and ace luthier Adrian Legg says "they are mainly made of maple and offer a phenomenal sustain." I'd pin it at circa 1982. Cheers, Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: mark sottilaro > To: > Date: 6/28/2006 3:22:39 PM > Subject: Re: guitar identification - your help is needed > > I think it's a finish brand called Køksüka > > --- nico spahni wrote: > > > Can anyone help me identify this guitar (what make > > etc.)? I got it > > about 15 years ago for about $100 and never really > > bothered to find out > > what make it is because I didn't now how I possibly > > could with only a > > logo. There's no name, no serial number, nothing. > > The fact that it has > > DiMarzio pickups didn't help either. Only lately has > > it occured to me > > that some of you guys might recognize the logo. Have > > a look: > > > > http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/my_guitar.jpg > > > > Cheers, > > > > Nico > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 02:10:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D69D3BF28; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mRiP4zZoI+SwT0w/sImxxPaHtsv3C8RA6onusPP8A4kQ5Ut7gsIwTsI5G9mRNd8eZEmfi1FOSTOYgAmoypR2LlWLVG7V/edUAx8z2wjZRy+kCJ5UkboMkjAxGR4M1JN45RpBxM53rHdyhgG8tRaD6UiGRvVUXhm+H/s+N90tmWk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:10:18 -0400 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Running SooperLooper In-Reply-To: <20060629000602.3787.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7B17AFDC-7472-4D80-80CB-8443FFA77FCB@gmail.com> <20060629000602.3787.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: da30b2a768eeef7d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:10:22 +0000 (UTC) On 6/28/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > Yeah, I'm pretty sure neither Jack or Sooperlooper is > UB. One of the reasons I opted out of the Macbook. Actually, JACK is UB, for what it's worth. And while I'm at it, I'll also plug a useful open source JACK-based DAW that has a UB (also linux): Ardour - http://ardour.org It is under active development, and we have several Google Summer of Code contributors this year. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 02:31:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB9A3BF1F; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:31:02 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_k0btC.A.RxE.utzoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Count me in! I'll upload that bite soon. What criteria for the the whole sequence to follow, Kris? Raül. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 02:37:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02D0D3BF08; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44A315C6.8050206@infinivert.com> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <33d9fd78bb2fdd23f617bbea820b4f38@charter.net> <44A315C6.8050206@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--704753484 Message-Id: <5a70746e0995235ffa43f44bfd596e49@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Sustainiac Model B (Was: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:37:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:37:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--704753484 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Joshua, I love my Model B. I also bought the Model C a couple of years ago for =20= my second (smaller) gig rig. They work about the same with only a few subtle differences -- =20= the new one has a wall-wart (ugh) an FX loop (cool) and auto-harmonic (even/odd) sensing =20= which is pretty nice. I bought the model B in the mid-80s sometime. I've had it repaired =20 twice (the transformers get hot and fry about once every 10 years. It has become so much a part =20= of how I think about playing guitar that I find it difficult to play without it. Except for =20= acoustic playing, I never do. Inventor Alan Hoover is a real nice guy. I've visited and played in his =20= NAMM booth many many times over the years. He still tries to keep the Sustainiac =20 business going (its a sideline for him) and he does repairs -- should you buy an old one on Ebay and =20= it doesn't work quite right. He's a first class gentleman. Oh . . . yeah I forgot . . . I so much liked the way the new headstock =20= transducer for the Model C clamps on to the headstock (instead of having to affix a magnetic =20 bracket to your guitar and attach it that way) that I now use the Model C version of the =20 transducer also with my Model B. I still have the old transducer and magnets put away somewhere. But the =20= new clamp-on version means you can use it with absolutely ANY guitar you've got (not just =20 the guitars you've attached a magnetic bracket to (with screws). The infinite sustain you get with it is less like the in-the-guitar =20 sustainers (or Ebows) and is more like standing in front of a cranked amp in exactly the right "sweet =20 spot" on stage to get the perfect amount of feedback. The advantage is with the Sustainiac you can do it =20= at will, at any time and at any volume, even whisper quiet. Needless to say, right-hand muting of open strings (ones you don't want =20= to play while your playing something else in an unrelated key) is something you will want =20= to learn to do pretty well to make it really work in all situations. After twenty some odd =20 years though I do it without even thinking. If you contact Alan at Sustainiac, say "Hi!" to him for me. He really =20= is a great guy. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Off subject a bit: how do you like that Sustainiac Model B? I've =20 > looked at those for a while... PS) If you want to hear how I sound with my Sustainiac see any of the =20= below. Hint . . . my GarageBand,com page has free streaming of most of my 2001 CD (I think . =20= . . everything but the title track). No downloads, but even the low-fi streaming will =20= give you an idea or two of what you can do with a sustainiac. Good luck and happy trails! "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-1--704753484 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Joshua, I love my Model B. I also bought the Model C a couple of years ago for my second (smaller) gig rig. They work about the same with only a few subtle differences -- the new one has a=20 wall-wart (ugh) an FX loop (cool) and auto-harmonic (even/odd) sensing which is pretty nice. I bought the model B in the mid-80s sometime. I've had it repaired twice (the transformers get hot and fry about once every 10 years. It has become so much a part of how I think about playing guitar that I find it difficult to play without it. Except for acoustic playing, I never do. Inventor Alan Hoover is a real nice guy. I've visited and played in his NAMM booth many many times over the years. He still tries to keep the Sustainiac business going (its a sideline for him) and he does repairs -- should you buy an old one on Ebay and it doesn't work quite right. He's a first class gentleman. Oh . . . yeah I forgot . . . I so much liked the way the new headstock transducer for the Model C clamps on to the headstock (instead of having to affix a magnetic bracket to your guitar and=20 attach it that way) that I now use the Model C version of the transducer also with my Model B. I still have the old transducer and magnets put away somewhere. But the new clamp-on version means you can use it with absolutely ANY guitar you've got (not just the guitars you've attached a magnetic bracket to (with screws). The infinite sustain you get with it is less like the in-the-guitar sustainers (or Ebows) and is more=20 like standing in front of a cranked amp in exactly the right "sweet spot" on stage to get the perfect=20 amount of feedback. The advantage is with the Sustainiac you can do it at will, at any time and at any volume, even whisper quiet.=20 Needless to say, right-hand muting of open strings (ones you don't want to play while your=20 playing something else in an unrelated key) is something you will want to learn to do pretty=20 well to make it really work in all situations. After twenty some odd years though I do it without even thinking. If you contact Alan at Sustainiac, say "Hi!" to him for me. He really is a great guy. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Joshua Carroll wrote: Off subject a bit: how do you like that Sustainiac Model B?=20 I've looked at those for a while... PS) If you want to hear how I sound with my Sustainiac see any of the below. Hint . . . my=20 GarageBand,com page has free streaming of most of my 2001 CD (I think . . . everything=20 but the title track). No downloads, but even the low-fi streaming will give you an idea or two of what you can do with a sustainiac. Good luck and happy trails! 8080,8080,8080"Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Apple-Mail-1--704753484-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 02:48:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F0B3BF43; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:48:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <1ev9vD.A.OkF.D-zoEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:48:35 +0000 (UTC) No criteria, except loop for 30 seconds. kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "raul bonell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Count me in! > I'll upload that bite soon. > > What criteria for the the whole sequence to follow, Kris? > > Raül. > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 02:49:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9043BF3D; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c69b26$9a15a490$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: Subject: RV: Nico's Spahni - Ambient Guitar Landscapes 1 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:49:08 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69B37.5BB80150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:49:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69B37.5BB80150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hola a tots! I'll suggest you all to check out nico's latest 'ambient guitar = landscapes 1'. Yes, it's ambient and played with the most common = instrument in this list, a guitar, but these improvisations have an = inner force not so commonly found in this kind of productions. Nico's = minimalistic approach to processing the guitar signal gives a result of = emotive landscapes of sound that are clearly out of that genre i hate so = much socalled 'new age'... =20 Nice work Nico! I think he's glad to exchange a CD copy for one of yours. You can find it here: http://www.recpro.ch/ Cheers!, Ra=FCl. The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69B37.5BB80150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hola a tots!

I'll suggest you = all to check=20 out nico's latest 'ambient guitar landscapes 1'. Yes, it's ambient and = played=20 with the most common instrument in this list, a guitar, but these = improvisations=20 have an inner force not so commonly found in this kind = of productions.=20 Nico's minimalistic approach to processing the guitar signal gives = a result=20 of emotive landscapes of sound that are clearly out of that genre i = hate so=20 much socalled 'new age'...   

Nice work=20 Nico!

I think he's glad to exchange a CD = copy for one=20 of yours.
You can find it here:

http://www.recpro.ch/

Cheers!,<= BR>Ra=FCl.

The=20 Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C69B37.5BB80150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 03:49:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A813BF17; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:49:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:49:05 +0000 (UTC) I have been reading a lot of reviews on the Eclipse and Fireworx. Oddly, there appear to be a lot of mixed reviews on the Eclipse for it lack of flexibility, ability to load only two algorithms, etc...I read a lot of positive reviews on the Fireworx for how you can customize your effect algorithms, and the diversity of tone mangling....though I hear you can use up your processing power fairly quickly. Then I found this interesting passage on the Yahoo Group on Fireworx: **************************** 1. Eventide Eclipse: You cannot create algorithms. There are two DSP program slots into which you load presets which can then be tweaked to you hearts content. There are great choruses, reverbs, pitchers, etc, and you even get some combination algos. The sound quality is awesome, in my experience, the stability is not as good. Support is OK, as long as you aren't one of the few who rub the wrong way with their ONLY support person, who can be quite obstinate. I eventually sold my Eclipse and bought the Orville, about which I sometimes have mixed feelings. Then I listen to how great it sounds. 2. TC Fireworx: Ultimate flexibility up to the limits of the DSP. Design algos using building blocks. Fun is the word; more like Eventide's high end units, but designed to be programmed from the front panel instead of the computer. Sound quality is not as pristine as any Eventide unit, but look at this in context of your musical style. Support is OK, as long as you don't expect them to change the unit (there is a known bugs that they will never fix in DELAY2). I use my 2 Fireworx units for EVERYTHING. One is on guitars and one is on the main mix. I wish I had 2 more. The difference then: Eclipse is like a video game with two cartridge slots. Fireworx is like sonic legos. Orville is like sonic clay. ****************************** I'm amost set on the Fireworx now, but still grappling over Reaktor 5. I may get the Fireworx, and then Reaktor after that. Am I an effect addict or what? :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:04:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A873BF27; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,190,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="192961652:sNHT49349958" In-Reply-To: <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--699530412 Message-Id: <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:04:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:04:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--699530412 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I should hope so; how else are you going to justify this? Enjoy:) dc On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Am I an effect addict or what? :) > --Apple-Mail-2--699530412 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII I should hope so; how else are you going to justify this?
Enjoy:)
dc


On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Am I an effect addict or what? :)



--Apple-Mail-2--699530412-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:15:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A1F3BF2A; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:15:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1197_01C69B00.621338D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:15:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1197_01C69B00.621338D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hah hah...I tell you, I am really suffering mentally over this Reaktor 5 = vs. Fireworx decision. I can buy either Reaktor and MAX/MSP together (so = Jeff will finally stop nagging me to get it :) ) or the Fireworx. = Ultimately I will have both, but I'm deciding for the short = term...painful, very painful. Having both a rack system and a laptop = system has inflicted me with a radical case of multiple personality = disorder. I have this beautiful looping unit (Looperlative) and two = VF1s in my rack, and then a super screamin' new laptop with tons of = VSTs, Mobius working perfectly, etc. What have I done to myself..... K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 I should hope so; how else are you going to justify this? Enjoy:) dc On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Am I an effect addict or what? :) ------=_NextPart_000_1197_01C69B00.621338D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hah hah...I tell you, I am really = suffering=20 mentally over this Reaktor 5 vs. Fireworx decision. I can buy either = Reaktor and=20 MAX/MSP together (so Jeff will finally stop nagging me to get it :) ) or = the=20 Fireworx.  Ultimately I will have both, but I'm deciding for the = short=20 term...painful, very painful.  Having both a rack system and a = laptop=20 system has inflicted me with a radical case of multiple personality=20 disorder.  I have this beautiful looping unit (Looperlative) and = two VF1s=20 in my rack, and then a super screamin' new laptop with tons of VSTs, = Mobius=20 working perfectly, etc.  What have I done to = myself.....
 
K-
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 = 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the = Eclipse,=20 Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

I should hope so; how else are you going to justify = this?
Enjoy:)
dc


On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Am I an effect addict or what? = :)


------=_NextPart_000_1197_01C69B00.621338D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:19:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CE9D3BF28; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <528.129ee6e.31d0041a@aol.com> References: <528.129ee6e.31d0041a@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--698590743 Message-Id: <9d6eb4c577af2e7ab7f61d843b7dc36d@finleysound.com> From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:19:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.90 Resent-Message-ID: <_2D_J.A.7_D.nT1oEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:19:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--698590743 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Jun 25, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: > The Rocktron guy claims that whenever I select a Preset button the=20 > information form all the Instant Access switches is sent at the same=20= > time, and that this is the source of my problem.=A0 He also says there=20= > is no way to avoid this.=A0=A0 This doesn't make sense to me, but he=20= > claims that it is impossible to select a present button and send only=20= > the information programmed to that Preset if you want to have access=20= > to the Instant Access switches.=A0 I am sincerely hoping this is not = the=20 > case.=A0 Otherwise I will have to investigate some of the other modes,=20= > like "Song" mode I suppose. He's wrong. If that was true, every time I change presets on the All=20 Access my EPD would start recording! It doesn't. > At any rate, I still have the same problem as before, but have since=20= > discovered that the Echoplex will only respond to the All Access=20 > Preset buttons strangely (which I DON'T want it to do) when it is in=20= > certain configurations.=A0=A0 I haven't figured it all out, but thus = far I=20 > have determined that if I have overdubbed anything, or have cleared=20 > the loop with a long press I am in danger, but if the echoplex has=20 > never recorded anything, I am safe.=A0 > So far I can avoid it most of the time by hitting a few extra button=20= > presses.=A0 Or I end up hitting the undo button and getting unwanted=20= > sounds.=A0 It still seems like there is something funky going on = though,=20 > so let me know if you have any other ideas. I would double check that you have the CC info in the All Access=20 correct. I was having the same problem with my EDP behaving strangely,=20= but only after certain commands. It turned out that I was using the=20 wrong Virtual Button/Direct MIDI info. For instance, I really wanted=20 LongUNDO, yet I had programmed UNDO. Also, make sure you've programmed=20= every Instant Access switch with On =3D 1 and Off =3D 0 for the CC info. = =20 If you don't do this, I believe the EPD waits for the next Off message,=20= which in this case would be the On message from the next Instant Access=20= switch you press! Hope that makes sense. Matt --Apple-Mail-2--698590743 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Jun 25, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Donearlsto@aol.com wrote: Geneva The Rocktron guy claims that whenever I select a Preset button the information form all the Instant Access switches is sent at the same time, and that this is the source of my problem.=A0 He also says there is no way to avoid this.=A0=A0 This doesn't make sense to me, but he claims that it is impossible to select a present button and send only the information programmed to that Preset if you want to have access to the Instant Access switches.=A0 I am sincerely hoping this is not the case.=A0 Otherwise I will have to investigate some of the other modes, like "Song" mode I suppose. He's wrong. If that was true, every time I change presets on the All Access my EPD would start recording! It doesn't. =20 GenevaAt any rate, I still have the same problem as before, but have since discovered that the Echoplex will only respond to the All Access Preset buttons strangely (which I DON'T want it to do) when it is in certain configurations.=A0=A0 I haven't figured it all out, but thus far I have determined that if I have overdubbed anything, or have cleared the loop with a long press I am in danger, but if the echoplex has never recorded anything, I am safe.=A0 Geneva So far I can avoid it most of the time by hitting a few extra button presses.=A0 Or I end up hitting the undo button and getting unwanted sounds.=A0 It still seems like there is something funky going on though, so let me know if you have any other ideas. I would double check that you have the CC info in the All Access correct. I was having the same problem with my EDP behaving strangely, but only after certain commands. It turned out that I was using the wrong Virtual Button/Direct MIDI info. For instance, I really wanted LongUNDO, yet I had programmed UNDO. Also, make sure you've programmed every Instant Access switch with On =3D 1 and Off =3D = 0 for the CC info. If you don't do this, I believe the EPD waits for the next Off message, which in this case would be the On message from the next Instant Access switch you press! Hope that makes sense. Matt --Apple-Mail-2--698590743-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:21:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F99A3BF36; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <4526fe9f0488f3443545ff9d01c7b13e@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:21:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:21:50 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hah hah...I tell you, I am really suffering mentally over this Reaktor=20= > 5 vs. Fireworx decision. I can buy either Reaktor and MAX/MSP together=20= > (so Jeff will finally stop nagging me to get it :) ) GET MAX. NOW. (oops, sorry, am I shouting.....) :-) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:23:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9BCE3BF34; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4ea506fbed893c589327cf1f1f5b60ad@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matthew F.McCabe Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:23:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Ironically, 2 days ago I found a printed hardcopy of the email Kim sent me announcing the list was live!! Of course I recycled it, thinking it would be silly to mention it on the list. Alas. --- King Never http://www.kingnever.com On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > Sunday, September, 1st 1996 at 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) the first post > message > ever was posted to LD by Matthew F. McCabe aka King Never: > http://loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199609/msg00000.html > > September 1st, 2006 will be 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight. > > How about some celebration and apposite looping madnesssss?! > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:27:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0215C3BF3B; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CPbuCW3GJpxF/62uyXiruFo729UUkdJQo1o6JJ6KMwdc7ao2Q147y7DwwEi3QjhJ1diB2KIcxyXqa8OAV/uqeoARV1g56kLFvwb4dh+m5X8L+GV36yw6JJaLnDrgmBMXmkTil/L8Vzpik/czPfGhfCX7C7CVAIVg94hiU0uc10Y= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:27:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Thread-Index: AcabNEtEianykwcnEduv+gAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <4526fe9f0488f3443545ff9d01c7b13e@pfmentum.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:27:18 +0000 (UTC) I was just with one of my Max gurus tonite and we were talking about how Reaktor and Max talk together. We quickly built a little stupid vst host in max, took 3 minutes, and then opened some NI stuff in it, like spektral delay. VST wise, it behaves very well. Presets and everything. This is more than I can say for how the PSP stuff, for instance, with how their writing interfaces with Max. But, yeah, Krispen. Just get it. You won't be sorry... Or instead... DOWNLOAD THE FULLY FUNCTIONING 30 DAY DEMO! And call jeff. All best, Todd On 6/29/06 12:21 AM, "Jeff Kaiser" wrote: >=20 > On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >=20 >> Hah hah...I tell you, I am really suffering mentally over this Reaktor >> 5 vs. Fireworx decision. I can buy either Reaktor and MAX/MSP together >> (so Jeff will finally stop nagging me to get it :) ) >=20 > GET MAX. NOW. >=20 > (oops, sorry, am I shouting.....) >=20 > :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =80 AngryVegan.com >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:33:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62D943BF26; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--697750361 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:33:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:33:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--697750361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Whoa!! Both R5 and Max have SERIOUS learning curves, esp. Max. Even if you eventually want to have and use both, tackling them both =20 at the same time sounds like a BAD idea. Why not think: getting =20 FireworX and EITHER R5 or Max =3D getting an Eclipse? Either way, you KNOW you=92ll be buying more toys later anyway. dc On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I can buy either Reaktor and MAX/MSP together --Apple-Mail-3--697750361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Whoa!!
Both R5 and Max have = SERIOUS learning curves, esp. Max.=A0
Even if you eventually want to = have and use both, tackling them both at the same time sounds like a BAD = idea. Why not think: getting FireworX and EITHER R5 or Max =3D getting = an Eclipse?=A0
Either way, you KNOW you=92ll be buying more = toys later anyway.
dc


On Jun 28, = 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I can buy either Reaktor and MAX/MSP = together

= --Apple-Mail-3--697750361-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:40:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2ED43BF52; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:36:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:40:49 +0000 (UTC) > I have been reading a lot of reviews on the Eclipse and Fireworx. > Oddly, there appear to be a lot of mixed reviews on the Eclipse for > it lack of flexibility, What is it lacking in flexibility? Do you want to build your own reverb (etc.)? Does the Eclipse not give you enough fx that you know you will use? And what reviews are you reading, H-C? > ability to load only two algorithms, etc. Right, but what can you *do* with those algorithms? Quite a bit, I'd say. > > **************************** > 1. Eventide Eclipse: You cannot create algorithms. True. You can only do that on the higher end, open platform processors. Do you know how many times I've created my own algorithms in my H8000? Zero. That's not to say that I won't want to do it someday, but it's not a high priority. Do I really need to build my own chorus, for instance, from the ground up? Eventide has some mighty good choruses sitting there for me to tweak. I am interested in creating my own presets using the open architecture of the H8000 by combining different fx. But I would cut and paste those effects into a new preset. It's not like I will try to build my own Leslie, or chorus--or whatever. At least not just yet. > > in my experience, the stability is not as good. Did the person writing that review have the latest OS? I tend to doubt it. > Support is OK, Support is excellent. Yes, Italo is an Eventide true believer, and, yes, he can be defensive sometimes. But if you want to learn your Eventide unit, there's not a question in the world he won't answer for you--and usually within just a few minutes. Hell, he once called me from Italy *on his nickel*. I'd say that's pretty good support. And he's not the *only* support person. If you phone Eventide, they are happy to help you out. Italo is the main support person because he runs the internet list and because...well...it's his job. I guess all I'm saying is don't give up on the Eventide just yet. What matters most to you? Sound quality? If so, go with the Eclipse. If the flexibility of the Fireworx turns you on more, then go with that. But the Eclipse is still very flexible, based on what I know about them and from what I hear from friends who own them. Like I said, I own a different Eventide, but I've been privy to enough Eclipse chatter to have a fairly informed opinion about the unit overall. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:41:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BE03BF57; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:41:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_11DD_01C69B04.00FFB3D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:41:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_11DD_01C69B04.00FFB3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any serious programming at the = outset, just hosting my current VST effects and Reaktor 5, plus Mobius. = I can manage that, and I learn really fast. Then I can start thinking = about creating my own VST effects....I'm sure for some time I'll be = testing out all the hundreds of Reaktor ensemble effects. Surely the learning curve just to use MAX/MSP as a VST host is not that = great....???? By the way, Jeff (Larsen), have you tested Mobius in MAX/MSP? I guess I = should validate that first. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Coffin=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:33 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Whoa!! Both R5 and Max have SERIOUS learning curves, esp. Max.=20 Even if you eventually want to have and use both, tackling them both = at the same time sounds like a BAD idea. Why not think: getting FireworX = and EITHER R5 or Max =3D getting an Eclipse?=20 Either way, you KNOW you=92ll be buying more toys later anyway. dc On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I can buy either Reaktor and MAX/MSP together ------=_NextPart_000_11DD_01C69B04.00FFB3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on = doing any=20 serious programming at the outset, just hosting my current VST effects = and=20 Reaktor 5, plus Mobius. I can manage that, and I learn really fast. Then = I can=20 start thinking about creating my own VST effects....I'm sure for some = time I'll=20 be testing out all the hundreds of Reaktor ensemble = effects.
 
Surely the learning curve just to use = MAX/MSP as a=20 VST host is not that great....????
 
By the way, Jeff (Larsen), have you = tested Mobius=20 in MAX/MSP? I guess I should validate that first.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Coffin
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 = 10:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the = Eclipse,=20 Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81

Whoa!!
Both R5 and Max have SERIOUS learning curves, esp. Max. 
Even if you eventually want to have and use both, tackling them = both at=20 the same time sounds like a BAD idea. Why not think: getting FireworX = and=20 EITHER R5 or Max =3D getting an Eclipse? 
Either way, you KNOW you=92ll be buying more toys later = anyway.
dc


On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
I can buy either = Reaktor and=20 MAX/MSP=20 together

------=_NextPart_000_11DD_01C69B04.00FFB3D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 04:45:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FD0A3BF61; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--697047140 Message-Id: <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:45:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:45:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--697047140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed If that=92s all you want, why not hire Jeff to build your Max-based =20 host, and run that using the free run-time version of Max? A LOT of $$ if you=92re not going to go nuts with it... dc On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any serious programming =20 > at the outset, just hosting my current VST effects and Reaktor 5, =20 > plus Mobius. --Apple-Mail-4--697047140 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 If that=92s all you want, why = not hire Jeff to build your Max-based host, and run that using the free = run-time version of Max?
A LOT of $$ if you=92re not going to go = nuts with it...
dc


On Jun 28, = 2006, at 9:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any serious = programming at the outset, just hosting my current VST effects and = Reaktor 5, plus = Mobius.

= --Apple-Mail-4--697047140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 05:04:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA18E3BF17; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:04:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:04:36 +0000 (UTC) kris, download the demo...we'll go over it next week when I'm in Boise and=20 you can report on it then.....don't pay anything yet..... cheers, jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Coffin wrote: > If that=92s all you want, why not hire Jeff to build your Max-based=20 > host, and run that using the free run-time version of Max? > A LOT of $$ if you=92re not going to go nuts with it... > dc > > > On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any serious programming at=20= >> the outset, just hosting my current VST effects and Reaktor 5, plus=20= >> Mobius.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 07:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 097513BEF3; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> References: <44762808.5050005@cabq.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Jeff Kaiser and Andrew Pask...Loopage in CA... Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:30:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Gigs in Ventura, Los Angeles and, ummmmm.....Bakersfield?! The Choir Boys celebrate their new CD! (Jeff Kaiser, trumpet and electronics; Andrew Pask, woodwinds and=20 electronics) http://www.trippyhorns.com/ (first set: Kris Tiner, trumpet and Mike Baggetta, guitar) http://kristiner.com/ Micro Tour! Friday June 30, 2006 8pm Zoey's Caf=E9 451 E. Main St. Ventura, CA 93001 www.zoeyscafe.com Also: The Choir Boys Saturday July 1, 2006 8pm Caf=E9 Metropol 923 East 3rd St. Downtown Artist District Los Angeles, CA 90013 www.cafemetropol.com www.roccoinla.com Monday July 3, 2006 5:30pm Dagny's Coffee Co. 1600 20th St. @ Eye St. Bakersfield, CA (661) 634.0806 free admission www.dagnysdowntown.com best, Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 08:38:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A71763BEF4; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012a01c69b57$5a221180$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:38:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:38:01 +0000 (UTC) kris asked: "Sounds fun, Rick. Are you playing guitar? Bass?" Yes, I am , kris. I will be playing prepared guitar and then I am on this kick lately to process a guitar with really cheesy childrens toys and toy processors...............I've found toy voice changers, toy pitch shifters, megaphones, amplifiers that distort wonderfully, etc. I'm looking forward to it. I've always wanted to unleash a weird all guitar CD or EP on the world....................who knows..........this weekend might be the start of a beautiful (or terrible) thing.............lol. wish you could come play. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 08:47:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361223BEF3; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01eb01c69b58$a7824e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Mini Guitar Looping Festival: SUNDAY, JULY 2nd: MASSIMO LIVERANI and the Brother's WALKER Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:47:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Good grief, you guys...................if you are going to use up a dozen L.D. emails discussing obscure performances by the band PHISH, could you please change the thread name. My ego is completely deflated opening up all these thread replies about our concert this coming Sunday and finding noone's even thinking about it. I'm being facetious about the ego deflation but try to think of future researchers combing the archives of Loopers Delight. You at least one all those PHISH fans to be able to find these scintillating discussions. rick ps my email fucked up and I accidentally sent out the message four different times to the list. I"m sooooooo sorry about that pollution. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 09:15:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053023BEF3; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:15:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002b01c69b5c$9337c500$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcabNjI8QfdwSxePQCaZ7eERR5jDVgAIvT1A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:15:35 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to chime in here, 'cause Kris might very vell be referring to a text written by me here...: > > I have been reading a lot of reviews on the Eclipse and Fireworx. > > Oddly, there appear to be a lot of mixed reviews on the > Eclipse for it > > lack of flexibility, > > What is it lacking in flexibility? Do you want to build your > own reverb (etc.)? Does the Eclipse not give you enough fx > that you know you will use? And what reviews are you reading, H-C? You can only load a maximum of two algorithms at once, and you can't feedback between those two algorithms. True, you can do completely crazy stuff with those algorithms, but it's rather counter-intuitive to have to go through a list of hundreds of algorithms to find which ones to select to get a combination of two pitch shifters, four delays and two chorusses. What really pisses me off is the fact that the manual tells you that "some algorithms can't be loaded together", but doesn't tell you which ones! Personally, I never wrote audio algorithms myself (meaning writing DSP code or something), but I like to work on an abstraction level one step below that of the Eclipse: put together lots of small building blocks instead of two big ones. The approach of the FireworX, the Nord Modular G2 (which I believe would also be excellent as an effects processor if you can live with the fact that it doesn't have any UI) and the Kurzweil KSP8. A few of the deficits of the Eclipse are smaller details: maximum LFO sync cycle time is one bar. Reverse delays only work to a length of one bar when MIDI-synced. Hard bypass only affects the XLR connectors. > > in my experience, the stability is not as good. > > Did the person writing that review have the latest OS? I tend to > doubt it. I got this thing with OS 2.50 and never had any problems. Upon upgrading to 3.00 (which according to eventide's website is "the latest OS"), I sometimes experienced the following: upon loading one of my own patches, the unit would simply freeze. Power reset worked around this problem. It never happened when loading factory patches or at another time than when loading patches. And it hasn't happened for a long time. There are a lot of great things about the Eclipse as well. A decimal keyboard, the multitude of connectors, great sound quality and some very interesting algorithms for crazy stuff are only some. If I was to compare hardware effect processors in roughly the price range discussed, it would be: FireworX: Quite flexible and good UI for an acceptable price. Lacks some processing power. Great for completely whacky stuff. Eclipse: Problems - see above. Best pitch shifters of the batch. Kurzweil KSP8: most expensive of the batch. Most flexible choice of reverbs. Very flexible system structure, very powerful. DOESN'T HAVE ANY PITCH SHIFTERS. Nord Modular G2 Engine: very powerful, very flexible, cheapest of the batch. Would be my choice if I could live with the fact that it doesn't have a UI whatsoever. Or you could get the keyboard version (still cheaper than an Eclipse). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 09:43:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174D93BEF5; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009901c69b60$745b8b40$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com><0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio><0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060628132840.g2zio0ul1c0kokks@www.wightman.ca> <000601c69b24$118080c0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <112f01c69b26$82075920$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:43:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:43:38 +0000 (UTC) But my Zoom's loop for 32 seconds! Waaah! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, 29 June, 2006 03:48 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > No criteria, except loop for 30 seconds. > > kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "raul bonell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:31 PM > Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > >> Count me in! >> I'll upload that bite soon. >> >> What criteria for the the whole sequence to follow, Kris? >> >> Raül. >> >> The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo >> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 10:42:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859D63BEDC; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:41:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44A3AE67.6050000@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:42:56 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Palancar. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the "Elysium Planitita." For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#jun Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, July 1 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 10:47:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 202253BEDF; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:46:59 +0200 From: "nico spahni" In-Reply-To: <001901c69b26$9a15a490$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Message-ID: <20060629104659.185710@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001901c69b26$9a15a490$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Subject: Re: RV: Nico's Spahni - Ambient Guitar Landscapes 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Flags: 0001 X-GMX-UID: RZ2WdQhrbUk7ATSOIGgn4OxsZ2hlN0o9 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the kudos, Raul, I appreciate it. It was a good swap for me too so I don't want to miss the opportunity to promote your work. Everybody check out The Playing Orchestra featuring Raul Bonell on Warr Guitar: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo/download.html All the best, Nico -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:49:08 +0200 Von: raul bonell An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RV: Nico\'s Spahni - Ambient Guitar Landscapes 1 > Hola a tots! > > I'll suggest you all to check out nico's latest 'ambient guitar landscapes > 1'. Yes, it's ambient and played with the most common instrument in this > list, a guitar, but these improvisations have an inner force not so commonly > found in this kind of productions. Nico's minimalistic approach to > processing the guitar signal gives a result of emotive landscapes of sound that > are clearly out of that genre i hate so much socalled 'new age'... > > Nice work Nico! > > I think he's glad to exchange a CD copy for one of yours. > You can find it here: > > http://www.recpro.ch/ > > Cheers!, > Raül. > > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 12:56:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E883BEB2; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Donearlsto@aol.com Message-ID: <2e5.93c09fa.31d52807@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:56:39 EDT Subject: Re: All Access/Echoplex/Prophesy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2e5.93c09fa.31d52807_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:56:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_2e5.93c09fa.31d52807_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I knew he was wrong, but how do you tell the tech support guy that?...and=20 still get help. Plus, at that point, I couldn't prove it. Anyway, the confusing part for me was that I had checked all the CC=20 information, and nothing was being sent in this manner. Turns out, howeve= r, that the=20 Rocktron guy was partially right. All the Midi information from Virtual=20 buttons is sent whenever a new preset button is pressed IF the Instant Acces= s=20 Switches are set to Momentary or Latching. Mine where set to Momentary, wh= ich I=20 had assumed to be best. Anyway it was a problem with my switch settings=20 on the All Access I changed the switches from Momentary to "hold" which=20 makes the switches act as momentary, but doesn't send Midi information when=20= I=20 change a patch. Exactly what I needed. Problem solved! Thanks again to all who helped on and off list,=20 Donovan Stokes www.donovanstokes.com In a message dated 6/29/06 12:20:25 AM, mmccabe@finleysound.com writes: > He's wrong.=A0 If that was true, every time I change presets on the All > Access my EPD would start recording!=A0 It doesn't. >=20 > > At any rate, I still have the same problem as before, but have since > > discovered that the Echoplex will only respond to the All Access > > Preset buttons strangely (which I DON'T want it to do) when it is in > > certain configurations.=A0=A0 I haven't figured it all out, but thus far= I > > have determined that if I have overdubbed anything, or have cleared > > the loop with a long press I am in danger, but if the echoplex has > > never recorded anything, I am safe.=A0 > >=A0 So far I can avoid it most of the time by hitting a few extra button > > presses.=A0 Or I end up hitting the undo button and getting unwanted > > sounds.=A0 It still seems like there is something funky going on though, > > so let me know if you have any other ideas. >=20 > I would double check that you have the CC info in the All Access > correct.=A0 I was having the same problem with my EDP behaving strangely, > but only after certain commands.=A0 It turned out that I was using the > wrong Virtual Button/Direct MIDI info.=A0 For instance, I really wanted > LongUNDO, yet I had programmed UNDO.=A0 Also, make sure you've programmed > every Instant Access switch with On =3D 1 and Off =3D 0 for the CC info.= =A0 > If you don't do this, I believe the EPD waits for the next Off message, > which in this case would be the On message from the next Instant Access > switch you press!=A0 Hope that makes sense. >=20 >=20 --part1_2e5.93c09fa.31d52807_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I knew he was wrong, but how do you tel= l the tech support guy that?...and still get help.  Plus, at that poin= t, I couldn't prove it.

Anyway, the confusing part for me was that I had checked all the CC informat= ion, and nothing was being sent in this manner.   Turns out, howe= ver, that the Rocktron guy was partially right.  All the Midi informat= ion from Virtual buttons is sent whenever a new preset button is pressed IF=20= the Instant Access Switches are set to Momentary or Latching.  Mine wh= ere set to Momentary, which I had assumed to be best.  Anyway  i= t was a problem with my switch settings on the All Access   I cha= nged the switches from Momentary to "hold" which makes the switches act as m= omentary, but doesn't send Midi information when I change a patch.  Ex= actly what I needed. Problem solved!

Thanks again to all who helped on and off list,

Donovan Stokes
www.donovanstokes.com
In a message dated 6/29/06 12:20:25 AM, mmccabe@finleysound.com writes:


He's wrong.=A0 If tha= t was true, every time I change presets on the All
Access my EPD would start recording!=A0 It doesn't.

> At any rate, I still have the same problem as before, but have since > discovered that the Echoplex will only respond to the All Access
> Preset buttons strangely (which I DON'T want it to do) when it is in > certain configurations.=A0=A0 I haven't figured it all out, but thus fa= r I
> have determined that if I have overdubbed anything, or have cleared
> the loop with a long press I am in danger, but if the echoplex has
> never recorded anything, I am safe.=A0
>=A0 So far I can avoid it most of the time by hitting a few extra button=
> presses.=A0 Or I end up hitting the undo button and getting unwanted > sounds.=A0 It still seems like there is something funky going on though= ,
> so let me know if you have any other ideas.

I would double check that you have the CC info in the All Access
correct.=A0 I was having the same problem with my EDP behaving strangely, but only after certain commands.=A0 It turned out that I was using the
wrong Virtual Button/Direct MIDI info.=A0 For instance, I really wanted
LongUNDO, yet I had programmed UNDO.=A0 Also, make sure you've programmed every Instant Access switch with On =3D 1 and Off =3D 0 for the CC info.=A0<= BR> If you don't do this, I believe the EPD waits for the next Off message,
which in this case would be the On message from the next Instant Access
switch you press!=A0 Hope that makes sense.



 --part1_2e5.93c09fa.31d52807_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 13:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4A2F3BEC1; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1ED24480-E87F-4C6D-BA19-CB1A676947E2@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:39:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:39:08 +0000 (UTC) On Jun 28, 2006, at 11:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > By the way, Jeff (Larsen), have you tested Mobius in MAX/MSP? I have not, but one of the Yahoo group members uploaded a screenshot of Mobius running in Max so I'm assuming it works. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 15:56:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 640303BECF; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <121501c69b94$a1634360$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:56:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1212_01C69B62.55CE1FB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:56:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1212_01C69B62.55CE1FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that is a brilliant idea. Thanks. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Why not think: getting FireworX and EITHER R5 or Max =3D getting an = Eclipse?=20 Either way, you KNOW you=92ll be buying more toys later anyway. dc On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I can buy either Reaktor and MAX/MSP together ------=_NextPart_000_1212_01C69B62.55CE1FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
that is a brilliant idea. = Thanks.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Why not=20 think: getting FireworX and EITHER R5 or Max =3D getting an = Eclipse? 
Either way, you KNOW you=92ll be buying more toys later = anyway.
dc


On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
I can buy either = Reaktor and=20 MAX/MSP=20 together

------=_NextPart_000_1212_01C69B62.55CE1FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 15:59:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E46243BED2; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <123301c69b94$f52251d0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:59:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <7oRt5.A.r6B.Pj_oEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Will do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:04 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 kris, download the demo...we'll go over it next week when I'm in Boise and you can report on it then.....don't pay anything yet..... cheers, jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Coffin wrote: > If that’s all you want, why not hire Jeff to build your Max-based host, > and run that using the free run-time version of Max? > A LOT of $$ if you’re not going to go nuts with it... > dc > > > On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any serious programming at the >> outset, just hosting my current VST effects and Reaktor 5, plus Mobius. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 16:20:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B16B3BED9; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <125501c69b97$de2fa830$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002b01c69b5c$9337c500$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:19:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for anwering this question, Rainer. That was way out of my league. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: AW: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 > I'd like to chime in here, 'cause Kris might very vell be referring to a > text written by me here...: > >> > I have been reading a lot of reviews on the Eclipse and Fireworx. >> > Oddly, there appear to be a lot of mixed reviews on the >> Eclipse for it >> > lack of flexibility, >> >> What is it lacking in flexibility? Do you want to build your >> own reverb (etc.)? Does the Eclipse not give you enough fx >> that you know you will use? And what reviews are you reading, H-C? > > You can only load a maximum of two algorithms at once, and you can't > feedback between those two algorithms. True, you can do completely crazy > stuff with those algorithms, but it's rather counter-intuitive to have to > go > through a list of hundreds of algorithms to find which ones to select to > get > a combination of two pitch shifters, four delays and two chorusses. > > What really pisses me off is the fact that the manual tells you that "some > algorithms can't be loaded together", but doesn't tell you which ones! > > Personally, I never wrote audio algorithms myself (meaning writing DSP > code > or something), but I like to work on an abstraction level one step below > that of the Eclipse: put together lots of small building blocks instead of > two big ones. The approach of the FireworX, the Nord Modular G2 (which I > believe would also be excellent as an effects processor if you can live > with > the fact that it doesn't have any UI) and the Kurzweil KSP8. > > A few of the deficits of the Eclipse are smaller details: maximum LFO sync > cycle time is one bar. Reverse delays only work to a length of one bar > when > MIDI-synced. Hard bypass only affects the XLR connectors. > >> > in my experience, the stability is not as good. >> >> Did the person writing that review have the latest OS? I tend to >> doubt it. > > I got this thing with OS 2.50 and never had any problems. Upon upgrading > to > 3.00 (which according to eventide's website is "the latest OS"), I > sometimes > experienced the following: upon loading one of my own patches, the unit > would simply freeze. Power reset worked around this problem. It never > happened when loading factory patches or at another time than when loading > patches. And it hasn't happened for a long time. > > There are a lot of great things about the Eclipse as well. A decimal > keyboard, the multitude of connectors, great sound quality and some very > interesting algorithms for crazy stuff are only some. If I was to compare > hardware effect processors in roughly the price range discussed, it would > be: > > FireworX: Quite flexible and good UI for an acceptable price. Lacks some > processing power. Great for completely whacky stuff. > Eclipse: Problems - see above. Best pitch shifters of the batch. > Kurzweil KSP8: most expensive of the batch. Most flexible choice of > reverbs. > Very flexible system structure, very powerful. DOESN'T HAVE ANY PITCH > SHIFTERS. > Nord Modular G2 Engine: very powerful, very flexible, cheapest of the > batch. > Would be my choice if I could live with the fact that it doesn't have a UI > whatsoever. Or you could get the keyboard version (still cheaper than an > Eclipse). > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 16:54:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AD523BEC2; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,192,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="347534348:sNHT28204938" In-Reply-To: <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--653326246 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:54:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:54:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--653326246 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I=92m kinda surprised that no one=92s responded to this idea: Get Max/MSP aces to build what you need, or share what they=92ve =20 already built, and use these in Max=92s free runtime environment, at =20 least until you decide that you MUST get out your own hammers and =20 screwdrivers. I=92m very fond of it, altho I=92ve never fully implemented it. I did =20= once post a request on a Max forum for max developers regarding what =20 I thought was a simple project, after downloading the demo and =20 hitting a brick wall almost immediately with doing something on my =20 own. I got a LOT of responses from folks eager to help out for =20 reasonable dough. Unfortunately, the guy I settled on seems to have =20 not been able to make what I wanted after all, and the project ran =20 out of steam. But I still plan to try again someday. I like the =20 notion of sending a friendly/savvy someone who gets what I=92m about a =20= few $$ now and then to build or tweak me a unique toy over dropping =20 +/-$500 on a tool I=92d need to spend months learning to use clumsily =20= and really only want a few things from. Anybody else getting joy out of runtime Max? dc (Sorry; can=92t resist asking Kris: What about Pluggo?? =93Max=94 fx = fun....!) > On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any serious programming =20 >> at the outset, just hosting my current VST effects and Reaktor 5, =20 >> plus Mobius. > --Apple-Mail-7--653326246 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
I=92m kinda surprised that = no one=92s responded to this idea:=A0
Get Max/MSP aces to = build what you need, or share what they=92ve already built, and use = these in Max=92s free runtime environment, at least until you decide = that you MUST get out your own hammers and screwdrivers.=A0

I=92m very fond of = it,=A0altho I=92ve never fully implemented it. I did once post a request = on a Max forum for max developers regarding what I thought was a simple = project, after downloading the demo and hitting a brick wall almost = immediately with doing something on my own. I got a LOT of responses = from folks eager to help out for reasonable dough. Unfortunately, the = guy I settled on seems to have not been able to make what I wanted after = all, and the project ran out of steam. But I still plan to try again = someday. I like the notion of sending a friendly/savvy someone who gets = what I=92m about a few $$ now and then to build or tweak me a unique toy = over dropping +/-$500 on a tool I=92d need to spend months learning to = use clumsily and really only want a few things from.

Anybody else getting joy = out of runtime Max?
dc

(Sorry; can=92t resist = asking Kris: What about Pluggo?? =93Max=94 fx fun....!)


On Jun 28, = 2006, at 9:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any = serious programming at the outset, just hosting my current VST effects = and Reaktor 5, plus = Mobius.


= --Apple-Mail-7--653326246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BD1C3BECA; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,192,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="551597396:sNHT247729042" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Coffin Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Link_to_Max_runtime_info_=28Was_Kris=92s_hardwa?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?re_FX_thread=29?= Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:02:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC) http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MaxMSPDevDist ...and what about folks creating stand-alone Max stuff that virtual loopers might love? Anybody doing? Dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B56B93BEC5; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12a701c69b9e$34dbb5b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Link_to_Max_runtime_info_=28Was_Kris's_hardware_FX_thr?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ead=29?= Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:05:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Jeff has a custom looping program he uses in MAX/MSP that apparently does anything and everything any hardware or existing software looper does. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coffin" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) > http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MaxMSPDevDist > > ...and what about folks creating stand-alone Max stuff that virtual > loopers might love? Anybody doing? > Dc > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:14:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B1423BEDB; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:14:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <2WxLvB.A.LhE.-pApEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:14:39 +0000 (UTC) I think this is one possible idea. but the joy of max is expandability=20= as you learn more, and you lose that if you don't have the program..... build a person an instrument, and they'll want more features all the=20 time; teach a person to build an instrument and they'll add features=20 themselves....for a lifetime.... I found it fairly quick to get up and running with max on a basic=20 level, and then I've added more as I've learned more. cheers, jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 29, 2006, at 9:54 AM, David Coffin wrote: > I=92m kinda surprised that no one=92s responded to this idea:=A0 > Get Max/MSP aces to build what you need, or share what they=92ve = already=20 > built, and use these in Max=92s free runtime environment, at least = until=20 > you decide that you MUST get out your own hammers and screwdrivers.=A0 > > I=92m very fond of it,=A0altho I=92ve never fully implemented it. I = did once=20 > post a request on a Max forum for max developers regarding what I=20 > thought was a simple project, after downloading the demo and hitting a=20= > brick wall almost immediately with doing something on my own. I got a=20= > LOT of responses from folks eager to help out for reasonable dough.=20 > Unfortunately, the guy I settled on seems to have not been able to=20 > make what I wanted after all, and the project ran out of steam. But I=20= > still plan to try again someday. I like the notion of sending a=20 > friendly/savvy someone who gets what I=92m about a few $$ now and then=20= > to build or tweak me a unique toy over dropping +/-$500 on a tool I=92d=20= > need to spend months learning to use clumsily and really only want a=20= > few things from. > > Anybody else getting joy out of runtime Max? > dc > > (Sorry; can=92t resist asking Kris: What about Pluggo?? =93Max=94 fx=20= > fun....!) > > >> On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:41 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Well, with MAX/MSP, I don't plan on doing any serious programming at=20= >>> the outset, just hosting my current VST effects and Reaktor 5, plus=20= >>> Mobius.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:18:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2733BEDD; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <12a701c69b9e$34dbb5b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <12a701c69b9e$34dbb5b0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:18:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Well, my looper certainly has the possibilities.....and more features=20 on the way......I don't currently have sync (I don't use it) but other=20= people have loopers in max that do sync....I think that if you are a=20 windows guy, right now, they way to go is with mobius inside of=20 max....BUT when I have time, I would love to make my looper available,=20= it is just real ugly (internally...spaghetti patch time) right=20 now....works great, though..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Jeff has a custom looping program he uses in MAX/MSP that apparently=20= > does anything and everything any hardware or existing software looper=20= > does. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coffin"=20 > > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:02 AM > Subject: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) > > >> http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MaxMSPDevDist >> >> ...and what about folks creating stand-alone Max stuff that virtual=20= >> loopers might love? Anybody doing? >> Dc >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:24:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA8C3BED0; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FY1Ti+yZVLrt3q/oXDHdfRChYANNEa8uX1eQZbWwGNICzFk7ubLJIrKZH6uZrw1ssT8W0B69egI36cftdS2MdF69JYj07OJbN0PM6YXYX5DWme795fIvIXRsPyyndoSHyXt/wXa1zg8zV+E3oGsVAOTOkKoHcGfRIuI5J6Esv8E= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:24:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Thread-Index: AcaboOJGIKJDSgeUEduv+gAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, I'd be very interested in looking at your patch if you were to post it. I've had a couple of my friends make me some custom loopers and vst controllers as well, and I'd welcome having a look both above and underneat= h the hood, spaghetti and all... That is, if you were comfortable sharing it. All best, Todd On 6/29/06 1:18 PM, "Jeff Kaiser" wrote: > Well, my looper certainly has the possibilities.....and more features > on the way......I don't currently have sync (I don't use it) but other > people have loopers in max that do sync....I think that if you are a > windows guy, right now, they way to go is with mobius inside of > max....BUT when I have time, I would love to make my looper available, > it is just real ugly (internally...spaghetti patch time) right > now....works great, though..... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =80 AngryVegan.com >=20 >=20 > On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >=20 >> Jeff has a custom looping program he uses in MAX/MSP that apparently >> does anything and everything any hardware or existing software looper >> does. >>=20 >> Kris >>=20 >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coffin" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:02 AM >> Subject: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) >>=20 >>=20 >>> http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MaxMSPDevDist >>>=20 >>> ...and what about folks creating stand-alone Max stuff that virtual >>> loopers might love? Anybody doing? >>> Dc >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:41:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BF3E3BEB6; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,192,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="521287337:sNHT236707782" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--650479892 Message-Id: <9021213C-35D4-49FB-ADAE-3394BE3EE50E@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:41:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:41:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--650479892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > I think this is one possible idea. but the joy of max is =20 > expandability as you learn more, and you lose that if you don't =20 > have the program..... > > build a person an instrument, and they'll want more features all =20 > the time; teach a person to build an instrument and they'll add =20 > features themselves....for a lifetime.... Well, yes, of course. But aren=92t many of us (I am, certainly) already over-supplied with =20 programs, gear, options, plans, etc... ? I=92m thinking of the difference between needing a little something =20 very specific right now to improve an already pretty cool setup and =20 getting it easily, as opposed to deciding to take on yet another vast =20= tool and making it your =93new project=94 for the next year or so, to = the =20 further detriment of all that gear you=92re already not fully =20 exploring... Can anyone relate? > > I found it fairly quick to get up and running with max on a basic =20 > level, and then I've added more as I've learned more. Sounds cool... Got anything to share or sell to those who only want =20 to do Max as a runtime thing? dc= --Apple-Mail-8--650479892 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
On Jun 29, 2006, = at 10:14 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote:

I think this is one = possible idea. but the joy of max is expandability as you learn more, = and you lose that if you don't have the = program.....


build a person an instrument, and they'll want more = features all the time; teach a person to build an instrument and they'll = add features themselves....for a = lifetime....


Well, yes, of = course.=A0
But aren=92t many of us (I am, certainly) already = over-supplied with programs, gear, options, plans, etc... = ?

I=92m = thinking of the difference between needing a little something very = specific right now to improve an already pretty cool setup and getting = it easily, as opposed to deciding to take on yet another vast tool and = making it your =93new project=94 for the next year or so, to the further = detriment of all that gear you=92re already not fully exploring... Can = anyone relate?


=


I found it fairly quick to get up and running with max on = a basic level, and then I've added more as I've learned = more.


Sounds cool... Got anything = to share or sell to those who only want to do Max as a runtime = thing?=A0
dc
= --Apple-Mail-8--650479892-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:42:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CE5A3BEDF; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4e6bc9c10188485ceec8046a6962d13e@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:42:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:42:26 +0000 (UTC) I've got to admit....I'm nervous sharing, because I'm so new to max, =20 and the patch is so ugly....I went from all hardware to all max in my =20= performances in two months time (I got tired of schlepping), but became =20= a "believer" in the possibilities real quick.... So, I don't mind sharing, but I'd rather share at a time when we could =20= go over it in person, as the patch is not commented at all, the =20 controller stage is very idiosyncratic and might not make =20 sense....pieced together from parts Andrew Pask gave me, and some of my =20= own stuff...but is getting better in each version....I actually gave a =20= "lecture" on my instrument at the electro-music event in philly, and =20 was pleasantly surprised at the positive reception for the lecture and =20= concert. But it is REAL ugly under the hood. You coming to LA (actually, I live in Ventura) soon? I think you are in =20= the Bay area? I have no plans on being in SF until September.... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Jeff, I'd be very interested in looking at your patch if you were to =20= > post > it. I've had a couple of my friends make me some custom loopers and =20= > vst > controllers as well, and I'd welcome having a look both above and =20 > underneath > the hood, spaghetti and all... > > That is, if you were comfortable sharing it. > > All best, > > Todd > > > > > On 6/29/06 1:18 PM, "Jeff Kaiser" wrote: > >> Well, my looper certainly has the possibilities.....and more features >> on the way......I don't currently have sync (I don't use it) but = other >> people have loopers in max that do sync....I think that if you are a >> windows guy, right now, they way to go is with mobius inside of >> max....BUT when I have time, I would love to make my looper = available, >> it is just real ugly (internally...spaghetti patch time) right >> now....works great, though..... >> >> >> >> Jeff Kaiser >> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >> pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >> >> >> On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >>> Jeff has a custom looping program he uses in MAX/MSP that apparently >>> does anything and everything any hardware or existing software = looper >>> does. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coffin" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:02 AM >>> Subject: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) >>> >>> >>>> http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MaxMSPDevDist >>>> >>>> ...and what about folks creating stand-alone Max stuff that virtual >>>> loopers might love? Anybody doing? >>>> Dc >>>> >>> >>> >> > > = -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > ----- > ----- > =93Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=94 - Trevor Exter > > =93Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to = the > creative part of sound=94 - Ornette Coleman > = -----------------------------------------------------------------------=20= > ----- > ------ > Todd Reynolds > 42-09 47th Ave 1C > Sunnyside, NY 11104 > > Ph. 718 392-3773 > Mob. 917 576-6166 > Fax 419 781-5502 > > http://www.toddreynolds.com > > > todd@toddreynolds.com > 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) > AIM ID: toddreyn > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:51:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C0F83BEDA; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=a6mycSlG6E4Wh1C8zQle8ciGXfNU5pSi8NpAF7yp0tjorpGidmQ25hg6Dbn0wMWCZfPRroPNloXwv7GkJH/V6qz8QiQPSOxWd/tACRqLjAjBG5LCZ4kxk+cHnYeHYtay53vOEoYpINqj38ScjXoD4nZ2Zy+8xsxD7WtzmckY+Qc= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:51:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Thread-Index: AcabpKyj6wO8CAeXEduv+gAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <4e6bc9c10188485ceec8046a6962d13e@pfmentum.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:51:51 +0000 (UTC) No, I was JUST in the bay area for a week, but my home base is the in the northeast. New York, to be exact. But I grew UP in LA, so I know it well. Don't get out too much, but my folks live in Palm Springs, so I'm not that far away. Well, someday if you do get it commented and organized with command-y, lemm= e at it. I ain't no great max programmer myself, just all my friends are. M= y video partner wrote jitter, for example, but I find that I learn a lot from looking at other people's work. Under the hood. I must go listen to your music now to see how you're using it all. For the record, I host sooperlooper in live, and use a bunch of vsts and audio units there, plus an eventide orville outboard. I HATE when I have to travel without my eventide, and therefore am looking continuously for better and better sounding and more efficient ways of processing sound, therefore my eyes are always on max. it's getting harder and harder to travel with any gear at all. If we could just get power up to do pitchshifting it would be SO GREAT! All best, T. On 6/29/06 1:42 PM, "Jeff Kaiser" wrote: > I've got to admit....I'm nervous sharing, because I'm so new to max, > and the patch is so ugly....I went from all hardware to all max in my > performances in two months time (I got tired of schlepping), but became > a "believer" in the possibilities real quick.... >=20 > So, I don't mind sharing, but I'd rather share at a time when we could > go over it in person, as the patch is not commented at all, the > controller stage is very idiosyncratic and might not make > sense....pieced together from parts Andrew Pask gave me, and some of my > own stuff...but is getting better in each version....I actually gave a > "lecture" on my instrument at the electro-music event in philly, and > was pleasantly surprised at the positive reception for the lecture and > concert. But it is REAL ugly under the hood. >=20 > You coming to LA (actually, I live in Ventura) soon? I think you are in > the Bay area? I have no plans on being in SF until September.... >=20 > best, > Jeff >=20 > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =80 AngryVegan.com >=20 >=20 > On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: >=20 >> Jeff, I'd be very interested in looking at your patch if you were to >> post >> it. I've had a couple of my friends make me some custom loopers and >> vst >> controllers as well, and I'd welcome having a look both above and >> underneath >> the hood, spaghetti and all... >>=20 >> That is, if you were comfortable sharing it. >>=20 >> All best, >>=20 >> Todd >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 6/29/06 1:18 PM, "Jeff Kaiser" wrote: >>=20 >>> Well, my looper certainly has the possibilities.....and more features >>> on the way......I don't currently have sync (I don't use it) but other >>> people have loopers in max that do sync....I think that if you are a >>> windows guy, right now, they way to go is with mobius inside of >>> max....BUT when I have time, I would love to make my looper available, >>> it is just real ugly (internally...spaghetti patch time) right >>> now....works great, though..... >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Jeff Kaiser >>> http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com >>> pfMENTUM.com =80 AngryVegan.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Jeff has a custom looping program he uses in MAX/MSP that apparently >>>> does anything and everything any hardware or existing software looper >>>> does. >>>>=20 >>>> Kris >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coffin" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:02 AM >>>> Subject: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/FAQs/MaxMSPDevDist >>>>>=20 >>>>> ...and what about folks creating stand-alone Max stuff that virtual >>>>> loopers might love? Anybody doing? >>>>> Dc >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> ----- >> =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter >>=20 >> =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the >> creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- >> ------ >> Todd Reynolds >> 42-09 47th Ave 1C >> Sunnyside, NY 11104 >>=20 >> Ph. 718 392-3773 >> Mob. 917 576-6166 >> Fax 419 781-5502 >>=20 >> http://www.toddreynolds.com >>=20 >>=20 >> todd@toddreynolds.com >> 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) >> AIM ID: toddreyn >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 17:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71BBC3BEE1; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9021213C-35D4-49FB-ADAE-3394BE3EE50E@earthlink.net> References: <036401c69804$8d0edb10$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <913728d60606242157i713ba11et996f2f1e57a1b587@mail.gmail.com> <117001c69b2e$f600db50$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9B5A8393-62A4-4F74-9A8D-1C75D4C2571B@earthlink.net> <119a01c69b32$ade9f960$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <11e201c69b36$4cbafd20$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8AF1D70B-091A-44C7-8B9B-F07925A87EBC@earthlink.net> <9021213C-35D4-49FB-ADAE-3394BE3EE50E@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:56:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:56:35 +0000 (UTC) > But aren=92t many of us (I am, certainly) already over-supplied with=20= > programs, gear, options, plans, etc... ? Yes, many are, and I certainly was. Max is now THE plan for me. (I=20 don't mean to sound like a proselytizing Scientologist or something).=20 Finally, everything is in one place, and I'm not hauling around tons of=20= hardware, and certainly not drooling over hardware at all. When a new=20 box comes out I could care less. > > I=92m thinking of the difference between needing a little something = very=20 > specific right now to improve an already pretty cool setup and getting=20= > it easily, as opposed to deciding to take on yet another vast tool and=20= > making it your =93new project=94 for the next year or so, to the = further=20 > detriment of all that gear you=92re already not fully exploring... Can=20= > anyone relate? It took me a fairly short period of time to get up and running, and the=20= musical rewards have been great. It is certainly NOT for everyone, but if you are interested in laptop,=20= I believe Max/MSP is the way to go....my humble opinion. Regarding all that other gear: eBay has been very good to me. Much more=20= room in my storage unit and bedroom than there was. >> I found it fairly quick to get up and running with max on a basic=20 >> level, and then I've added more as I've learned more. > Sounds cool... Got anything to share or sell to those who only want to=20= > do Max as a runtime thing?=A0 Nothing to sell. Eventually I will post stuff (for free) but not yet, BUT I will share with anybody who wants to get together.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 18:00:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DE513BEE8; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:00:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:00:17 +0000 (UTC) > No, I was JUST in the bay area for a week, but my home base is the in > the > northeast. New York, to be exact. I'll be in NYC for the Festival of New Trumpet in October....but can probably get you something before that. :-) > > For the record, I host sooperlooper in live, and use a bunch of vsts > and > audio units there, plus an eventide orville outboard. > > I HATE when I have to travel without my eventide, and therefore am > looking > continuously for better and better sounding and more efficient ways of > processing sound, therefore my eyes are always on max. it's getting > harder > and harder to travel with any gear at all. I know someone who just got rid of his h8000.....he has enough juice to host a convolution reverb on his laptop now, and everything else is max...... > If we could just get power up to do pitchshifting it would be SO GREAT! It is there.....(mac powerbook g4, 1.5) gizmo~ I'll email my pitch patch directly to you in few minutes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 18:12:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1306C3BECF; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pgEELzdq/n9C4UMmPbbeusoeDvxHl2LBkA82Nd+psqNubbWvNJqKKtL5hAXueJmD22+mBrNbnZcsl5wyn/iy0DH+AHn6YzCUjrBID60kL5kr9AgdF/Lq36w3hUPy6uDciapaBEfSx1lCDfbkdTCmDJbLB6bz3pM9t13hgyMl0hM= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:12:11 -0400 Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Thread-Index: Acabp4pfyKUXigeaEduv+gAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Whoa. I never knew about gizmo~, just checked it out with a soundfile, I wonder how it works in real time... Will try later... I've tried taptools with varying degrees of success, but never heard anything out of a laptop like an orville or even h3000. You're being a good evangelist for maxtology, though, I must say. Looking forward to more. All best, T. On 6/29/06 2:00 PM, "Jeff Kaiser" wrote: >> If we could just get power up to do pitchshifting it would be SO GREAT! >=20 > It is there.....(mac powerbook g4, 1.5) >=20 > gizmo~ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 18:26:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B23D43BEC2; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:25:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:26:18 +0000 (UTC) use it all the time in real-time. it is awesome. just sent you two examples in your email. On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Whoa. I never knew about gizmo~, just checked it out with a > soundfile, I > wonder how it works in real time... Will try later... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 18:38:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9437F3BEC2; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <133901c69bab$3919c1a0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:38:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3hXLe.A.Jl.q4BpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of which, I with Eventide would make their TDM package, Anthology II, availabe in VST or standalone software format. that would be awesome!!! http://store.eventide.com/anothology.html It's $1000, but look what you get. I have the Fxpansion program to convert RTAT to VST, but not TDM. Does not exist and won't from what I've read. But why not a standalone Anthology II, like Reaktor? Kris > I know someone who just got rid of his h8000.....he has enough juice to > host a convolution reverb on his laptop now, and everything else is > max...... > > >> If we could just get power up to do pitchshifting it would be SO GREAT! > > It is there.....(mac powerbook g4, 1.5) > > gizmo~ > > I'll email my pitch patch directly to you in few minutes. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 19:37:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7C73BECC; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <515.2614dd1.31d585ef@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:37:19 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughts on the Eclipse, Fireworx, G-Force, and PCM81 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_515.2614dd1.31d585ef_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:37:28 +0000 (UTC) --part1_515.2614dd1.31d585ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/29/06 1:42:01 PM, dpcoffin@earthlink.net writes: > Can anyone relate? > yes!.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_515.2614dd1.31d585ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/29/06 1:42:01 PM, dpcoffin@earthlink.net writes:


Can anyone relate?


yes!.....:)m



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
 --part1_515.2614dd1.31d585ef_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 21:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4398A3BED2; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HRHykPJgAZMqGJjcD+aOc0qLc/4whaFXcYM+NXf1SrYVIgAdbtLqjsLhXcacCJGQocmxLOn0LXW5rXHXkIG9pCeG0mWib1ZK27D5kbbeoyh1oiRpznc7dAdVSAOw6hMREETtiruHosKuNH3JcaY1O1hZLEMLuqhcCd1O+auHZhY= ; Message-ID: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c6995d$6a6044a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:55:34 +0000 (UTC) All this talk about Eclipse/Fireworx vs. Max/Reaktor made me think, surely dedicated hardware must sound a lot better, no? Perhaps software is way more flexible but is it as good? If all you got from hardware was lower latency I'd imagine ebay would be flooded with effects processors to the point people couldn't give them away. I'm excited about what my humble laptop can do but will it rival even my modest Lexicon MPX1 in terms of sound quality? Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 29 22:46:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 952583BEB5; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <136e01c69bcd$d37a0cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:46:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, well a computer is a piece of hardware with software on it. And a rack mount processors is also a piece of hardware with software in it (firmware, embedded firmware, or whatever engineers call it now), albeit a very specialized piece of hardware that only runs that one piece of software/firmware. So, if you can get your computer audio I/O up to snuff with the hardware audio I/O in terms of latency, quality of inserts, etc..then I don't see a lot of difference between the two in principle. In practice, of course, some people are intimidated by computer based systems because of the massive flexibility and hordes of options, plus all the other problems that can come along with a computer...whereas, with a piece of effect hardware, it is basically a finite trick pony. Once you burn through all the algorithm and settings, you've reached the end of that particular effective universe. The true pragmatic test for me is in the output on CD or in live performance. And I can't tell any difference in quality between my hardware effects (Boss VF1, Lexicon LXP5, LXP1, etc) and my computer VST effects, even when one signal is going through a 1/8" IO system on a tiny sound card, and the hardware is running through a balanced 1/4" audio IO. I buy hardware now only for back-up, because it is new and cool, or to relieve my irrational insecurities derived from on playing through hardware for so many years. I think over time, dedicated function hardware effect units will become obsolete, but not for a long time, and maybe not our generation. It's just a hypothosis, veriable only by time. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? > All this talk about Eclipse/Fireworx vs. Max/Reaktor > made me think, surely dedicated hardware must sound a > lot better, no? Perhaps software is way more flexible > but is it as good? If all you got from hardware was > lower latency I'd imagine ebay would be flooded with > effects processors to the point people couldn't give > them away. I'm excited about what my humble laptop > can do but will it rival even my modest Lexicon MPX1 > in terms of sound quality? > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 00:39:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9563BEB8; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,193,1149480000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="348748766:sNHT40505604" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--625425166 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:39:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:39:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--625425166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey, translate, please! I have NO idea what you're talking about! WHAT is gizmo~?? dc On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > >> If we could just get power up to do pitchshifting it would be SO >> GREAT! >> > > It is there.....(mac powerbook g4, 1.5) > > gizmo~ > --Apple-Mail-9--625425166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Hey, translate, please! I have = NO idea what you're talking about! WHAT is gizmo~??
dc

On Jun 29, 2006, at = 11:00 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote:



If we could just get = power up to do pitchshifting it would be SO GREAT!

=


It is there.....(mac powerbook g4, = 1.5)


gizmo~



= --Apple-Mail-9--625425166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 00:48:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D12B3BED0; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type; b=P9+RLoczDtncy6himVHFZ725piV0fNxBX6flMrxURmcMPtUIBQVSJr03gdaLNM52VQkHNw2njIMIayRSacpQEkFOreYFcScIt3IhiC2/LlPgoc95t4pMT6vE6Zp0+rYqLCCY8+A/k8l4vmyZTyPqY99uR7z7V0Gn5ELqgRShaWg= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:48:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Thread-Index: Acab3uj0J5sFwgfSEduv+gAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3234458914_3947504" Resent-Message-ID: <1eJSU.A.3CG.nTHpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:48:40 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3234458914_3947504 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Max/MSP uses =B3objects=B2 chained together with virtual patchcords to accomplish things.=20 These =8Cobjects=B9 are usually a one word name followed by a tilde (~) Gizmo is a max/msp object which does accomplish pitchshifting. I didn=B9t know about it whatsoever. Jeff is hipping me to it here. And therefore hipping us to it. =20 I said, we don=B9t have enough power to pitchshift, and jeff said, yep, we do= , at least on a powerbook g4, 1.5 mhz. Then he mentioned gizmo~, which is an =8Cobject=B9 in max. Jeff then sent me a little patcher showing me how it=B9s used. Yep, it sure does it. Pitchshifting on command. A little latency, but still, much better than anything I=B9ve experienced on a laptop yet. Does that explain it David? Wanna weigh in, jeff? Ask more if not clear. This is a MOST excellent thread, IMHO. T. On 6/29/06 8:39 PM, "David Coffin" wrote: > Hey, translate, please! I have NO idea what you're talking about! WHAT is > gizmo~?? > dc >=20 > On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>>=20 >>> If we could just get power up to do pitchshifting it would be SO GREAT! >>> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> It is there.....(mac powerbook g4, 1.5) >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> gizmo~ >> =20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3234458914_3947504 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Max/MSP  uses “objects”  chained together wi= th virtual patchcords to accomplish things.  

These ‘objects’ are usually a one word name followed by a tilde= (~)

Gizmo is a max/msp object which does accomplish pitchshifting.  I didn= ’t know about it whatsoever.  Jeff is hipping me to it here. &nbs= p;And therefore hipping us to it.  

I said, we don’t have enough power to pitchshift, and jeff said, yep,= we do, at least on a powerbook g4, 1.5 mhz.  

Then he mentioned gizmo~, which is an ‘object’ in max.  
Jeff then sent me a little patcher showing me how it’s used.  
Yep, it sure does it.  Pitchshifting on command.  A little latenc= y, but still, much better than anything I’ve experienced on a laptop y= et.

Does that explain it David?  Wanna weigh in, jeff?  Ask more if n= ot clear.

This is a MOST excellent thread, IMHO.  

T.


On 6/29/06 8:39 PM, "David Coffin" <dpcoffin@earthlink.net>= wrote:

Hey, translate, please! I have NO idea w= hat you're talking about! WHAT is gizmo~??
dc

On Jun 29, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Jeff Kaiser wrote:



 

If we could just get p= ower up to do pitchshifting it would be SO GREAT!


 

It is there.....(mac p= owerbook g4, 1.5)


 

gizmo~




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 --B_3234458914_3947504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 01:18:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 667C63BEB8; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--623050823 Message-Id: <210DEB19-3D4A-4BD7-AA60-55F36F1076E7@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:18:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:18:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--623050823 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Excellent; thank you! On Jun 29, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Jeff then sent me a little patcher showing me how it=92s used. > > Yep, it sure does it. Pitchshifting on command. A little latency, =20= > but still, much better than anything I=92ve experienced on a laptop = yet. > > Does that explain it David? Well, yes, but a few questions come to mind:) So, does that mean that anybody with the runtime vers. of Max can use =20= the patcher? Is it different than any of the pitch-shifting options available in =20 Pluggo? How complicated would it be for an ace Max-er to whip up a little =20 runtime or stand-alone =93multitap-gizmo=94 gizmo with, say, latency-=20 compensated delays and delay-time and pitch-shift randomizers....in =20 stereo? How much $ would you want for it? I=92m only sorta joking.... > Wanna weigh in, jeff? Ask more if not clear. > > This is a MOST excellent thread, IMHO. Hear, hear:) dc --Apple-Mail-11--623050823 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Excellent; thank you!


On Jun 29, = 2006, at 5:48 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote:

Jeff = then sent me a little patcher showing me how it=92s used. = =A0

Yep, it sure does it. =A0Pitchshifting on = command. =A0A little latency, but still, much better than anything I=92ve = experienced on a laptop yet.

Does that explain it David? = =A0

Well, yes, but a few = questions come to mind:)
So, does that mean that anybody with = the runtime vers. of Max can use the patcher?=A0
Is it = different than any of the pitch-shifting options available in = Pluggo?
How complicated would it be for an ace Max-er to whip = up a little runtime or stand-alone =93multitap-gizmo=94 gizmo with, say, = latency-compensated delays and delay-time and = pitch-shift=A0randomizers....in stereo? How much $ would you want for = it? I=92m only sorta joking....


Wanna weigh in, jeff? =A0Ask more if not = clear.

This is a MOST excellent thread, IMHO. = =A0

Hear, = hear:)
dc

= --Apple-Mail-11--623050823-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 01:39:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FE203BECA; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type; b=XNPxbCRVf+DHUYFZ4V5nGn+6pt0pEwveUbECEbyvZtC2NaJtlKOSBoeki9GW+/jYvyZQAQxAu5f73EkgVPdtQ0rHxac2iYtnL/OE8N4Kfx+0muxDdrWdTGz6EyubAxHpnN9oSoKQ8xK4UwsCBYW/vquPL7ZPHhIP8ykPi3otXxQ= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:39:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Thread-Index: Acab5hHLUEZBsQfZEduv+gAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <210DEB19-3D4A-4BD7-AA60-55F36F1076E7@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3234461989_4160202" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:39:52 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3234461989_4160202 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Well, if someone wrote the patcher expressly for you with your specific rig and controllers in mind, yes. It is not a vst, however, in itself, at least I don=B9t think it can be classified as such, therefore how it is =8Cwritten=B9 and how many adjustable parameters have been included have everything to do with its flexibility inside of runtime.=20 Not familiar enough with pluggo pitchshifting to tell you anything there. Jeff? Well, I=B9m not the one to do it, so I can=B9t even begin to estimate. However= , I=B9ll take a stab at saying that if all you wanted to do with it was that, i= t doesn=B9t seem to me like that would take all THAT much time. Jeff? If you really do want to find somebody to do just that, I know a bunch of maxers who work for about $35 an hour, and are very fast. There might also already be something out there! Once again, Jeff might turn you on to the greater max list and developer list. Onward, T. On 6/29/06 9:18 PM, "David Coffin" wrote: > Well, yes, but a few questions come to mind:) > So, does that mean that anybody with the runtime vers. of Max can use the > patcher?=A0 > Is it different than any of the pitch-shifting options available in Plugg= o? > How complicated would it be for an ace Max-er to whip up a little runtime= or > stand-alone =B3multitap-gizmo=B2 gizmo with, say, latency-compensated delays = and > delay-time and pitch-shift=A0randomizers....in stereo? How much $ would you= want > for it? I=B9m only sorta joking.... --B_3234461989_4160202 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Link to Max runtime info (Was Kris's hardware FX thread) Well, if someone wrote the patcher expressly for you with your spe= cific rig and controllers in mind, yes.  

It is not a vst, however, in itself, at least I don’t think it can be= classified as such, therefore how it is ‘written’  and how= many adjustable parameters have been included have everything to do with it= s flexibility inside of runtime.  

Not familiar enough with pluggo pitchshifting to tell you anything there. &= nbsp;Jeff?

Well, I’m not the one to do it, so I can’t even begin to estima= te.  However, I’ll take a stab at saying that if all you wanted t= o do with it was that, it doesn’t seem to me like that would take all = THAT much time.  Jeff?

If you really do want to find somebody to do just that, I know a bunch of m= axers who work for about $35 an hour, and are very fast.  There might a= lso already be something out there!  Once again, Jeff might turn you on= to the greater max list and developer list.

Onward,

T.



On 6/29/06 9:18 PM, "David Coffin" <dpcoffin@earthlink.net>= wrote:

Well, yes, but a few questions come to m= ind:)
So, does that mean that anybody with the runtime vers. of Max can use the p= atcher?=A0
Is it different than any of the pitch-shifting options available in Pluggo?=
How complicated would it be for an ace Max-er to whip up a little runtime o= r stand-alone “multitap-gizmo” gizmo with, say, latency-compensa= ted delays and delay-time and pitch-shift=A0randomizers....in stereo? How much= $ would you want for it? I’m only sorta joking....





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To: , Message-id: <003f01c69bed$dac2ed00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:26:25 +0000 (UTC) 10 years! OMG. I've been reading this thing for 10 years! :-) Well, I found my first posting - September 15, 1996. I still ought to read the digest version of this. :-) Back then I thought 10 L-D emails a day was a lot. lol >From ???@??? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 05:00:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875A13BEB8; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.34.192.248] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: software based phrase sampler Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:59:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2006 04:59:57.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[0888AB80:01C69C02] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey all- Wow, I may have found the right place after all ... I noticed some of you are talking about the possibility of a software based phrase sampler (with some latency concerns, etc.). Please check out the demo video at ... www.flyloops.com I am looking for further development ideas .... I have a few of my own, but I am trying to get this product finished by september, so any features that you can suggest, I want to know about. If you would like a copy of the software, let me know. Aaron _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 08:59:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CD5D3BECF; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:59:15 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002601c69c23$770f2ef0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <136e01c69bcd$d37a0cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcabzdWM0KizOVIBR6GpU7kiwHclrwAVIIpw X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:59:22 +0000 (UTC) > I buy hardware now only for back-up, because it is new and > cool, or to relieve my irrational insecurities derived from > on playing through hardware for so many years. I think over > time, dedicated function hardware effect units will become > obsolete, but not for a long time, and maybe not our > generation. It's just a hypothosis, veriable only by time. I'm still waiting for the moment when all the GML 9500, SPL 2595 and Manley SLAMs will become obsolete...;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 10:14:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF9403BED0; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:14:45 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060630101445.51370@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Aaron wow, you're vidoe really is awesome!! Concerning your software, I'd be really interested in knowing more specs... And... my question: is it available for Mac? :-) Here is a list of available sw/hw loopers by Per: http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php Where would you position your application? Btw, I think your video is much better than the stuff i.e. Boss put together for their RC-50. Great! Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 10:20:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C47683BECC; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:20:46 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <136e01c69bcd$d37a0cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20060630102046.51370@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060629215452.55776.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <136e01c69bcd$d37a0cb0$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Loop effects: Can software be as good as good hardware? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6z-iYC.A.JQ._rPpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:20:48 +0000 (UTC) It might be worth mentioning that the choices are not only "hardware-only" or "laptop" but also VST-like software effect plug-ins provided on designated rack-hardware, like i.e. TC electronics PowerCore: http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCoreConcept I guess what we will see in future is a stronger blend between software and hardware (designated rack but also physical controllers etc...) It will be exciting... Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 12:13:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548063BEB6; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.242.82.227] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060630101445.51370@gmx.net> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:12:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2006 12:13:00.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[87D9A150:01C69C3E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, I'm glad to see the chart also ... I always end up reading the specs and trying to figure out the capabilities of various looper devices (with mixed success since some of them do a pretty bad job publishing that sort of thing). I think I can get it to work on a mac. I am planning on distributing a beta copy in a couple weeks ... If I can get it working on a mac, I'll send you a copy. Doesn't do you a lot of good without the pedals, but you can experiment with it anyway. You asked where I would be on that list: FlyLoops: Overdub - Yes Feedback - Yes Undo - Yes, versatile undo. All layers independent. Quantize - no Reverse loop - yes - and also the option to scratch a any/all layers as if they were on a turntable. MIDI - not currently, but I have set it up for that in the past. Presets - no, but can save and reload loops, and sets of loops. Sync - Internally, using one track as master. Cut n Paste slices - yes Pitch transposing - could be developed pretty easily. Time stretching - same Tap tempo - no Max numbers of loops - many, limited by computer multiple loops in parallel - Yes Audio channels - Currently configured for 5, limited only by computer hardware. With a reasonably new computer, there are no latency problems up to at least 10 separate loops. Stereo recording - Yes Built-in storage option - Yes can run on battery - No - USB device. Memory RAM - N/A >From: "Buzap Buzap" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:14:45 +0200 > >Hi Aaron > >wow, you're vidoe really is awesome!! >Concerning your software, I'd be really interested in knowing more specs... >And... my question: is it available for Mac? :-) > >Here is a list of available sw/hw loopers by Per: >http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php >Where would you position your application? > >Btw, I think your video is much better than the stuff i.e. Boss put >together for their RC-50. Great! > >Best regards >Buzap > >-- > > >Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! >Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 14:54:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BD13BEC2; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.134.217.211] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:54:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2006 14:54:27.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[15A388F0:01C69C55] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:31 +0000 (UTC) > copy. Doesn't do you a lot of good without the pedals, but you can > experiment with it anyway. I'm not sure what you have in the hardware, but if I might make a suggestion, maybe you could think about implementing midi controls, so any user can just use their midi pedal of choice (FCB1010?). Your product costs will be cheaper if you don't need hardware, and distribution is certainly easier. Of course there's that piracy issue... I don't mean to discourage you from building a unique interface for your product! I think there's a long way to go from what's available now, and I would love to see improvement. It just might be easier to get the project off the ground as a software only product at first, then add the hardware portion. Then again I may be completely misunderstanding what you intend to do with the hardware. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 15:26:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B69653BECA; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:25:03 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/30/2006 11:27:04 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, Happy Friday........... Thinking about picking up an FCB1010. The only thing I really want to do is have the ability to mute the playback of each of the Repeaters 4 tracks independently at the press of a button. Being a complete MIDI noob, I'm not sure if this can even be done, but I suspect it can. I would also like to have a switch that changes the Repeater from Overdub to Insert mode, if possible. While I'm brainstorming here........could you also set it up so that one of the expression pedals controls Tempo ie as you press down on the pedal, the tempo of the loop increases? Any help/advice is appreciated! Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 15:41:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE06F3BED6; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <189801c69c5b$9e880870$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001301c6988e$142e3b70$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: MOINSOUND: New Kybermusik recordings online featuring Rick Walker, Charlie Milkey and again Krispen Hartung Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:41:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer Your 23.4.06 links is broken. Here is the correct link: http://www.box.net/public/zoe72jie60 Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: MOINSOUND: New Kybermusik recordings online featuring Rick Walker, Charlie Milkey and again Krispen Hartung > Ok, I put some more kybermusik (virtual internet jams using Ninjam) > recordings up on the www.moinlabs.de site. > > Go to http://moinlabs.byto.de/msa/i_msa_div.htm to find: > > "30.4.06 - KYBERMUSIK" (3 excerpts from a 80-minute-performance): > This was the performance which combined Kris and Rick (playing at Kris' > home > after the BEMF) and me (playing at www.salonerna.de). At least talking > about > my performance, this was one of my weaker performances (both Ninjamming > and > in general) - but with three players, the remaining two can make up for > that. > It's Rick on drums/percussion and vocal noises, Krispen on guitar and fx > and > industrial drum loop and me playing bass guitar, synths and aleatoric lead > guitar. > > "The Milkey Way" (4 excerpts from a two-hour-performance): > A (non-public) performance by Charlie Milkey and me - Charlie playing > 4-string bass guitar with Jamman, MPX200 and Line6 Toneport/Gearbox, me > playing my weird tuning sixstring, lots of synths and effects, metronome > crosstalk and a few loopers as well. > > Keep looking for more of this stuff coming soon... > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 15:44:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD4133BED5; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:44:44 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c69c5c$1c0cc100$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcacWYmHk/F1bBBORu+Bv1yvzQUoHAAAbu0w Resent-Message-ID: <1dm7sB.A.ClH.ubUpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Matthew, > Thinking about picking up an FCB1010. The only thing I really > want to do is have the ability to mute the playback of each > of the Repeaters 4 tracks independently at the press of a > button. Can be done, using PC messages 16 to 19. This works as a toggle and independently of the loop you're playing; as Zoe Keating mentioned recently, there is no way to explicitly set tracks to mute/unmute at the press of a button. > Being a complete MIDI noob, I'm not sure if this can > even be done, but I suspect it can. I would also like to > have a switch that changes the Repeater from Overdub to > Insert mode, if possible. As I understand it, the Repeater doesn't have an Insert option. You can switch between Overdub and Replace. > While I'm brainstorming here........could you also set it up > so that one of the expression pedals controls Tempo ie as you > press down on the pedal, the tempo of the loop increases? Yes, this works, albeit of course only when you're not synced to MIDI. If it's of interest to you, I could send you my FCB1010 setup (either the definition in Excel format, or a Sysex dump from the FCB1010 editor). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 15:46:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B673BEC7; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:42:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:46:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a standard function of Repeater OS 1.1 Midi PC 16 17 18 19 will mute and unmute the various tracks. It's in the FM... >Hello all, Happy Friday........... > >Thinking about picking up an FCB1010. The only thing I really want to do is >have the ability to mute the playback of each of the Repeaters 4 tracks >independently at the press of a button. Being a complete MIDI noob, I'm >not sure if this can even be done, but I suspect it can. I would also like >to have a switch that changes the Repeater from Overdub to Insert mode, if >possible. > >While I'm brainstorming here........could you also set it up so that one of >the expression pedals controls Tempo ie as you press down on the pedal, the >tempo of the loop increases? > >Any help/advice is appreciated! > >Thanks! > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use >of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from >disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that >any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 15:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A1E3BEDD; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000301c69c5c$1c0cc100$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: AW: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:54:15 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 06/30/2006 11:56:17 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Awesome, thanks! Yes, I meant 'Replace', not 'Insert'- I use those 2 terms interchangeably in my brain. Would you mind sending me your FCB sey up? Excel format would be just great. Thanks a lot! "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar To: Straschill" cc: Subject: AW: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question 06/30/2006 11:44 AM Please respond to Loopers-Delight Matthew, > Thinking about picking up an FCB1010. The only thing I really > want to do is have the ability to mute the playback of each > of the Repeaters 4 tracks independently at the press of a > button. Can be done, using PC messages 16 to 19. This works as a toggle and independently of the loop you're playing; as Zoe Keating mentioned recently, there is no way to explicitly set tracks to mute/unmute at the press of a button. > Being a complete MIDI noob, I'm not sure if this can > even be done, but I suspect it can. I would also like to > have a switch that changes the Repeater from Overdub to > Insert mode, if possible. As I understand it, the Repeater doesn't have an Insert option. You can switch between Overdub and Replace. > While I'm brainstorming here........could you also set it up > so that one of the expression pedals controls Tempo ie as you > press down on the pedal, the tempo of the loop increases? Yes, this works, albeit of course only when you're not synced to MIDI. If it's of interest to you, I could send you my FCB1010 setup (either the definition in Excel format, or a Sysex dump from the FCB1010 editor). Rainer --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 16:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A3283BED8; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: AW: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question - post scriptum Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:06:01 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c69c5f$1eb21010$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcacXZ7+m3aFNfAoRt6Y/Azrt+CBBQAAWpDA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:06:23 +0000 (UTC) never mind the sysex dump - it seems erroneous to me=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com [mailto:Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com]=20 > Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Juni 2006 17:54 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question >=20 > Awesome, thanks! >=20 > Yes, I meant 'Replace', not 'Insert'- I use those 2 terms=20 > interchangeably in my brain. >=20 > Would you mind sending me your FCB sey up? Excel format would=20 > be just great. >=20 > Thanks a lot! >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar To:=20 > =20 > =20 > Straschill" cc: =20 > =20 > =20 > Subject: AW:=20 > Stupid Repeater/FCB1010 question =20 > =20 > 06/30/2006 11:44 AM =20 > =20 > =20 > Please respond to =20 > =20 > =20 > Loopers-Delight =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Matthew, >=20 > > Thinking about picking up an FCB1010. The only thing I=20 > really want to=20 > > do is have the ability to mute the playback of each of the=20 > Repeaters 4=20 > > tracks independently at the press of a button. >=20 > Can be done, using PC messages 16 to 19. This works as a=20 > toggle and independently of the loop you're playing; as Zoe=20 > Keating mentioned recently, there is no way to explicitly set=20 > tracks to mute/unmute at the press of a button. >=20 > > Being a complete MIDI noob, I'm not sure if this can even be done,=20 > > but I suspect it can. I would also like to have a switch=20 > that changes=20 > > the Repeater from Overdub to Insert mode, if possible. >=20 > As I understand it, the Repeater doesn't have an Insert=20 > option. You can switch between Overdub and Replace. >=20 > > While I'm brainstorming here........could you also set it=20 > up so that=20 > > one of the expression pedals controls Tempo ie as you press down on=20 > > the pedal, the tempo of the loop increases? >=20 > Yes, this works, albeit of course only when you're not synced to MIDI. >=20 > If it's of interest to you, I could send you my FCB1010 setup=20 > (either the definition in Excel format, or a Sysex dump from=20 > the FCB1010 editor). >=20 > Rainer >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is=20 > intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it=20 > is addressed and may contain information that is privileged,=20 > proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If=20 > you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any=20 > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication=20 > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this=20 > communication in error, please notify the sender and erase=20 > this e-mail message immediately. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 17:08:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 051533BECC; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: software based phrase sampler Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:08:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB504@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: software based phrase sampler Thread-Index: AcacAgruPwcc2TPiSrmrSjsmWCxfJAAW9bjg From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <1ToZ.A.BUD.qqVpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:08:58 +0000 (UTC) > From: aaron leese > Wow, I may have found the right place after all ... Something of an understatement. Welcome to your new home :-) > I am looking for further development ideas .... I have a few=20 > of my own, but I am trying to get this product finished by=20 > september, so any features that you can suggest, I want to know about. A few words of advice: If you're expecting to make money from this, do some market research. Look at what Ableton Live does. Look at the other software loopers that have been available for several years. Search the archives of this mailing list for software looping discussions. Forget about the proprietary hardware interface and support off the shelf MIDI foot controllers. People willing to incorporate a laptop into their rig tend to be technically savvy and have other MIDI hardware or software. They already have a foot controller and dislike consuming floor space with another one. At the very least make it optional. Provide the option to run it as a VST plugin. Again, musicians with laptops are frequently also using them to host VST instruments and effects, and expect the ability to wire the looper into their VST rig. Support synchronization with external devices. Many loopers like to use them in conjunction with a drum machine or software sequencer running drum patterns or background loops. At the very least,=20 provide the ability to generate a stable MIDI master clock for a slaved drum machine. If possible, support the ability to=20 to be a slave to a MIDI clock generated by a drum machine. Good luck with the project! Regards, Jeff PS: Back to your hardware. If you understand hardware and device drivers well enough to build a small 12 button USB footswitch and make it appear to the system as a MIDI device, then provide software to map arbitrary MIDI messages to the down and up transitions of the switches, and can manufacture it for under $200, that would be a very attractive product for many laptop-based musicians. You will make more money off that than you ever will with looping software :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 17:09:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6FA3BED6; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.242.82.227] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:09:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2006 17:09:17.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBC998E0:01C69C67] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) I should correct myself, so as to eliminate some confusion here. There is no logic in the hardware, you probably could use a midi controller ... it would take me some time to code that in, though. The pedals currently register as a USB keypad .... real simple device. So without the pedals, the program is still fully functional (you just have to start and stop recording with a mouse or keyboard). I am amazed that there is no latency concerns, personally. I always figured it would be problematic to develop a software based phrase sampler, but it's solid as any harware solution I've used yet. The piracy thing is of some concern ..... I have spent alot of time and money on this project, and would like to get some of it back. Then there are those college loans too ...... hmmmm. In any event, I will put a beta version out there soon for all of you to experiment with ... >From: "jondrums" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: software based phrase sampler >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:54:24 -0700 > >>copy. Doesn't do you a lot of good without the pedals, but you can >>experiment with it anyway. > >I'm not sure what you have in the hardware, but if I might make a >suggestion, maybe you could think about implementing midi controls, so any >user can just use their midi pedal of choice (FCB1010?). Your product >costs will be cheaper if you don't need hardware, and distribution is >certainly easier. Of course there's that piracy issue... > >I don't mean to discourage you from building a unique interface for your >product! I think there's a long way to go from what's available now, and I >would love to see improvement. It just might be easier to get the project >off the ground as a software only product at first, then add the hardware >portion. > >Then again I may be completely misunderstanding what you intend to do with >the hardware. >Jon > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 17:24:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E19E3BED6; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4399.128.193.37.230.1151688253.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB504@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB504@keel.sailpoint.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: software based phrase sampler From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:24:16 +0000 (UTC) > PS: Back to your hardware. If you understand hardware and device > drivers well enough to build a small 12 button USB footswitch and make > it appear to the system as a MIDI device, then provide software to map > arbitrary MIDI messages to the down and up transitions of the switches, > and can manufacture it for under $200, that would be a very attractive > product for many laptop-based musicians. You will make more money > off that than you ever will with looping software :-) As part of your market research for the USB controller, talk to Peter Kirn over at: CreateDigitalMusic.com Cheers, Kevin www.TheNettles.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 17:43:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 564F33BED0; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" Sender: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: OT vst question Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:43:20 +0200 Message-ID: <006c01c69c6c$ae176e50$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcacXH6Bgat0Njy0RiC7IQ9HNvMouwADJVbQ In-Reply-To: <20060630154117.7544D3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6NCxTD.A.eeE.-KWpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:43:26 +0000 (UTC) is there a free VST plugin for Windows that can do dramatic pitch correction, you know, Cher style and worse? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 18:19:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416D93BECC; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18e401c69c71$aff4c790$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006c01c69c6c$ae176e50$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: OT vst question Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:19:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4O_Da.A.tqF.isWpEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:19:15 +0000 (UTC) This? http://www.gvst.co.uk/gsnap.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: OT vst question > is there a free VST plugin for Windows that can do dramatic pitch > correction, you know, Cher style and worse? -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 18:19:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC5D93BEDA; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: software based phrase sampler MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:19:26 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0AB508@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: software based phrase sampler Thread-Index: AcacZ/CfEc+B3Ux9RR6viy15EsSukQACXR4w From: "jeff larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:19:23 +0000 (UTC) > I am amazed that there is no latency concerns, personally. I always figured=20 > it would be problematic to develop a software based phrase sampler, but it's=20 > solid as any hardware solution I've used yet. Latency issues have been discussed several times on this list. Some people have a higher sensitivity for it than others. Are you doing any latency compensation, or are you relying on the fact that with small ASIO buffer sizes latency is hard to detect? > The piracy thing is of some concern ..... I have spent alot of time and=20 > money on this project, and would like to get some of it back. Then there=20 > are those college loans too ...... hmmmm. I truly wish you the best of luck, but I think you will find that there isn't much money to be made here. Be prepared to spend some money on advertising, trade shows, etc. If you can generate enough market awareness that piracy even becomes an issue, consider yourself lucky. I guarantee you though that if you tie this to an expensive piece of hardware no one will buy it. Anyway, its always nice to welcome a fellow software looper to the list. Another word of advice though. Be careful using phrases like "solid as any hardware solution" on this list. You will incur the awesome wrath of the Dedicated Hardware Loopers! :-) Best regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 20:10:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9233BEC7; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [69.155.49.27] Message-ID: <44A58549.8000304@infinivert.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:10:49 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070607070409070108030606" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0626-3, 06/29/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:10:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070607070409070108030606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'm on my very first day of successful looping, so--quite presumptuously--I have already uploaded a 31 second (oops!) loop for the project. My laptop's audio card is a little noisy, and there are no effects--just straight acoustic guitar and drum machine looped with Mobius--but it was fun! Woohooo! /I'm a real /boy/ looper!/ --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Let's do it!! I will create one today. > > Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: > > http://www.box.net/ > Login: loopersdelight > Password: loopersdelight > > Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise > Idaho USA.mp3 > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fabio Anile" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > > >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a > >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed > via a > >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. > >> > >> Kris > > > > > > YES !!! > > > > > > > > --------------070607070409070108030606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'm on my very first day of successful looping, so--quite presumptuously--I have already uploaded a 31 second (oops!) loop for the project.  My laptop's audio card is a little noisy, and there are no effects--just straight acoustic guitar and drum machine looped with Mobius--but it was fun!  Woohooo!

I'm a real boy looper!

--Josh



Krispen Hartung wrote:
Let's do it!!  I will create one today.
 
Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here:
 
Login: loopersdelight
Password: loopersdelight
 
Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fabio Anile" <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ?

>> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a
>> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or streamed via a
>> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist.
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>> Kris
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> YES !!!
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--------------070607070409070108030606-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 22:23:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 567233BEB6; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:23:14 -0400 From: enat21213@aol.com Message-Id: <8C86AAAE981FE0A-12D8-6EDB@mblk-r23.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 18681 Subject: free stuff! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.13 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:23:17 +0000 (UTC) there's a free compilation chock full of looping bands (electric bird noise / something about vampires and sluts etc.) at: nomorestarsrecords.com check it out! brian ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 22:53:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06583BED0; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <191501c69c98$0df57530$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <22351.62.2.75.66.1151495782.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> <0ede01c69abe$dc6ef200$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00f601c69ad1$3ec33260$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <0f6101c69ad2$b4470240$0cb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44A58549.8000304@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:53:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1912_01C69C65.C25A3700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <3tnX5.A.ScH.BuapEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:53:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1912_01C69C65.C25A3700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wonderful. Keep em' coming folks. Let's see how many we can have before = the official 10 year anniversary date. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joshua Carroll=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Well, I'm on my very first day of successful looping, so--quite = presumptuously--I have already uploaded a 31 second (oops!) loop for the = project. My laptop's audio card is a little noisy, and there are no = effects--just straight acoustic guitar and drum machine looped with = Mobius--but it was fun! Woohooo! I'm a real boy looper! --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 Let's do it!! I will create one today. Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise = Idaho USA.mp3 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Fabio Anile" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >> How about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we = create a=20 >> giant collage of looping stringed together in one MP3, or = streamed via a=20 >> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s and host the playlist. >> >> Kris >=20 >=20 > YES !!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_1912_01C69C65.C25A3700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wonderful. Keep em' coming folks. Let's = see how=20 many we can have before the official 10 year anniversary = date.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joshua=20 Carroll
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 = 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: 10 year's = anniversary of=20 Looper's Delight ?

Well, I'm on my very first day of successful looping, = so--quite=20 presumptuously--I have already uploaded a 31 second (oops!) loop for = the=20 project.  My laptop's audio card is a little noisy, and there are = no=20 effects--just straight acoustic guitar and drum machine looped with=20 Mobius--but it was fun!  Woohooo!

I'm a real=20 boy looper!

--Josh



Krispen = Hartung=20 wrote:=20
Let's do it!!  I will create = one=20 today.
 
Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 = rate format and=20 upload them here:
 
http://www.box.net/
Login: loopersdelight
Password: = loopersdelight
 
Title the MP3 with your name and = location, like=20 Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: "Fabio Anile" <fabio.anile@tiscali.it>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 = 10:38=20 AM
Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary = of Looper's=20 Delight ?

>> How=20 about each of us record a 30 second looping piece and we create a=20
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>> playlist. I'm willing to store the MP3s = and host=20 the playlist.
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------=_NextPart_000_1912_01C69C65.C25A3700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jun 30 23:28:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70AB13BEC2; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hyV24J2tj0DVva8SCR8Yc+6qsrCbm+w9CPlyko1SprjWR7lAWUCgoueBGgrvxwbnuVz3cg/JCqd0w8BL80l6I4kHnR6rLHCCJQs4br0Lus2B8361WH8WGxSo/bhR7CMJgoy/CocZy0lHrUqSvAMGZ1XxFmP1e2DjJxai2/Kmj2g= ; Message-ID: <20060630232846.86322.qmail@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Michael Subject: "Atmos Trio" CD featuring Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Not a "looping CD' per say, but one track off the new CD "Atmos Trio" features some looping. Check it out if you like and enjoy. Go to http://AtmosMusic.com/ and visit the MUSIC page. Track: Nardis (Yes, The Miles Davis tune) For "gear-heads" only: Features the use of a Boss GT-8 Electrix Repeater Line 6 DL-4 Roland Handsonic The other tunes on the disc feature instruments played by humans with fingers---no further implements. If you like what you hear--Atmos can be found playing all over the San Francisco Bay area. Catch one of their shows ... and/ or you can buy a CD. Atmos Trio Rob Michael Solidbody & Hollowbody electric guitar, Nylon and Steel string Acoustic guitars. Jeff Obee Six-string electric fretted and fretless basses. Joe Shotwell Drums and percussion