From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 01:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A14123BEFC; Mon, 1 May 2006 01:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:18:58 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Translator vs. ReCycle Re: aiff to REX? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44556202.5030101@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g)" X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: <4Ze2eD.A.2kC.LIWVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 01:19:07 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT rdwiv wrote: >It's not free but www.chickensys.com "Translator" will convert them >http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/specialfeatures/slicefiles.html > I have a client that wants material in REX format and I considered Translator, but when researching was scared off by Translator's note that "Recycle 1 files can be written, but they cannot be stereo (although two Recycle 1 files can be written like this)" and the problem that it cannot deal properly (ie save all the properties of) with REX2 files. A friend who uses Translator on both PC and Mac told me that the Mac version doesn't work as well as the PC version. I considered the above and in the end I had to spring for ReCycle itself. Nothing against Translator for translating other things, but it didn't inspire confidence in me re: converting to Rex and REX2. Andrew > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mark sottilaro" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:29 PM >Subject: Re: aiff to REX? > > > > >>Mac OS 9 or 10 >> >>--- Andrew Duke wrote: >> >> >> >>>mark sottilaro wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I have a ton of drum loop samples I've purchased >>>> >>>> >>>over >>> >>> >>>>the years and now I'm finding with Stylus RMX it >>>> >>>> >>>will >>> >>> >>>>accept REX files made in Recycle. It seems kind of >>>>silly to get the entire program when all I actually >>>>want is to convert a few cds of loops over. Anyone >>>>know of another app that will do the conversion? >>>> >>>>Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Mark: >>>Are you using Windows or Mac OS? >>>Andrew >>> >>>-- >>>Andrew Duke >>>scoring/sound design/source >>>http://andrew-duke.com >>>http://myspace.com/andrewduke >>>Cognition Audioworks label >>>[Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] >>>http://cognitionaudioworks.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com --Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT rdwiv wrote:
It's not free but www.chickensys.com "Translator" will convert them
http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/specialfeatures/slicefiles.html
I have a client that wants material in REX format and I considered Translator, but when researching was scared off by Translator's note that "Recycle 1 files can be written, but they cannot be stereo (although two Recycle 1 files can be written like this)" and the problem that it cannot deal properly (ie save all the properties of) with REX2 files.   A friend who uses Translator on both PC and Mac told me that the Mac version doesn't work as well as the PC version.  
I considered the above and in the end I had to spring for ReCycle itself. Nothing against Translator for translating other things, but it didn't inspire confidence in me re: converting to Rex and REX2.

Andrew


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark sottilaro" <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: aiff to REX?


  
Mac OS 9 or 10

--- Andrew Duke <andrew@andrew-duke.com> wrote:

    
mark sottilaro wrote:

      
I have a ton of drum loop samples I've purchased
        
over
      
the years and now I'm finding with Stylus RMX it
        
will
      
accept REX files made in Recycle.  It seems kind of
silly to get the entire program when all I actually
want is to convert a few cds of loops over.  Anyone
know of another app that will do the conversion?

Mark

        
Mark:
Are you using Windows or Mac OS?
Andrew

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--Boundary_(ID_JTP/jczL+J8YZXy22EwS8g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 06:57:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168583BEDE; Mon, 1 May 2006 06:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: the PiNG presents Arms Full of Sound Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 02:57:34 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000101c66cec$86470200$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 06:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Just wanted to start with a quick note to say that it was great to see so many of you come out to experience Robert Rich's wonderful performance this past weekend at the Church of the Holy Trinity and to report that the show was a huge sonic success. The PiNG wants to thank all those who pulled together and worked very hard over the past few weeks to make this event happen, thanks also go to Robert for including us in his tour and for treating us to such a great evening of sound and visuals and of course thanks to all of you who came out . . . you're encouraging us to do more things of this nature. Also wanted to note that school's almost out which means that our old friend Luna Tek will be back out on occasion reviewing PiNG happenings. In fact, Luna was spotted this past weekend and you can read her impressions of the Robert Rich show here: http://www.obliquepoetries.blogspot.com/ and now back to the weekly PiNG news . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG . http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor . Toronto (upstairs - directly across from the Bathurst subway station) Doors open at 9pm . 1st set at 9:30 . PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS Tuesday May 2nd . Arms Full of Sound Journey to Ambientia 2: Seasons . II . S P R I N G Set one - Arrival . Set two - The Synthitone Journey to Ambientia 2: Seasons, is the year long project from Arms Full of Sound that will take you back to that special place, deep within the ambient mind. This past February we started to return to the powerful place called Ambientia in search of the Traveler who is trapped in this timeless world of music. The seasons change one into another and back again. Our journey continues from where it was left. All must end where it began. Arms Full of Sound is an Ambient-Electronic music performance formed 4 years ago by Paul Needler. Using a large compliment of analog, digital and software synthesizers, Arms Full of Sound produces live blends of ambient music, usually all improvisational. http://www.armsfullofsound.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Before Sets CD . dac crowell / kurt doles by Dac Crowell and Kurt Doles This week's we give a taste of some of the recorded works of Rankin IL electronic artist Dac Crowell who will be coming up in a few week's for his first visit to the PiNG. This ambient CD from the now defunct Suilven Recordings label features some of Dac's recordings (both solo and with Kurt Doles) from 1994 -1997 which fills the sonic space whilst allowing the listener to focus on other activities. Don't miss Dac on May 23rd when he brings his modular and other electronic toys up to plug into the PiNG. http://www.magnatune.com/artists/dac_crowell Between Sets CD . Passage by dreamSTATE Tonight we feature the second CD release by dreamSTATE. As with their first CD "Between Realities", this recording is also from a multi media installation, but whereas the first CD was a live recording of the "waveforms" a mounted installation, this one features the original studio recordings used for the Moon Sea Crossing installation. A minor bit of trivia, there are actually two different versions of the Passage CD. The first version was a limited edition of 50 copies which were produced specifically for the installation when it was mounted at the historic Gaol in Goderich and is representative of how the music was mounted in the space. The second version was released after the installation and is a slight reworking which has a reprise of "Watershed" to make the entire CD a more rewarding and complete listening experience. Read more about it here in rik's *ping things* CD review below and hear it Tuesday @ the PiNG. http://www.dreamstate.to . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . COMiNG Tuesday May 9th . RADiO iN AMBiENCE Part 1 A special presentation for Deep Wireless in collaboration with New Adventures in Sound Art featuring Debashis Sinha with Ben Grossman and Kathy Kennedy As part of the 5th annual Deep Wireless festival, a month long celebration of radio art presented by New Adventures in Sound Art, this installment of RADiO iN AMBiENCE begins with Indian percussionist and sound artist Debashis Sinha with world musician Ben Grossman in a set that uses the radio as a sound source and mixed with various percussion instruments to create ambient music. Also, Deep Wireless artist in residence Kathy Kennedy will perform a solo set of electroacoustic vocal compositions. New Adventures in Sound Art: http://www.naisa.ca Deep Wireless: http://www.naisa.ca/deepwireless Debashis Sinha: http://www.debsinha.com Ben Grossman: http://www.macrophone.org Kathy Kennedy: http://www.kathykennedy.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews dreamSTATE . "Passage" Fans of Toronto electronic artists dreamSTATE will no doubt be thrilled by the release of "Passage", a series of soundscapes specially created for an installation held in Goderich, Ontario. Inspired by the poetry of Lynn Harrigan from her collection Moon Sea Crossing, "Passage" tells the story of Aina, an Irish immigrant who settles in Huron District during the 1840s. Her life during this time is filled with hardship and turmoil, ultimately resulting in a mental breakdown which leads to her being confined in the Huron District Gaol where her mental state further declines. Through a masterful creation of sound and environment, dreamSTATE is able to draw the listener into Aina's plight and brings her story to life in a powerful and haunting manner. Meant to capture Aina's journey across the sea from Ireland to Canada, "Crossing" begins the album with slowly evolving oblique movement, environments and atmospheres coming into shape as tones become more pronounced and defined. As the track progresses, movement becomes displacement as calm and tranquil passages give way to darker and more foreboding tones. When listening to this track one can't help but feel a passing from the safety of the known into the darkness of unsurety as Aina faces a new land and a new life. Track two, "Clearing", uses more easily defined melodies and structure to tell its tale. The feeling of industry and hard labor as Aina and her family work to create a home for themselves is captured in the repeated phrases of the track, played counter to field recordings taken from the site of Aina and Thomas' farm. A sense of form gives a sense of safety here, a sense of connection to the earth, to the land, but an underlying dark drone suggests there are issues already at hand which will culminate in Aina's decline. "Watershed" represents a turning point in the story, bringing to life a moment that ultimately leads to Aina's descent into darkness. Beginning with a calm and tranquil flow of pads and tones, the track moves from a peaceful security into a darker and more ominous tone, leading into track four, "Fall", which continues the sense of descent, sounds capturing the change of seasons, the slow loss of warmth and safety that leads into the winter months. Tones roil around each other, spinning and colliding through the sound field, as if to suggest the confusion of thought and the battling emotions that have come with her breakdown. As the piece progresses, deeper drones open up, at first only subtly but slowly gaining strength, suggesting the abyss into which Aina is staring. "Captive" captures the cold and hopeless feeling of Aina's stay in gaol, where the demons that haunt her mind are made physical through the horrible conditions she is made to bear. Bleak and desperate drones pass throughout the track, metallic sounds rising and falling, ebbing and flowing, slowly circling to match her descent. "Captive" manages to convey the sense of desperation and hopelessness Aina feels at this point, giving frightful sound to her torment. Track six, "Stone and Sky" brings some sense of hope and light to Aina's plight. Inspired by the courtyard of the gaol in which she finds herself, the track captures the freedom and light that Aina's heart aspires to. Unfortunately this hope is short-lived as it leads into "Gyre", a haunting piece where strangled tones and constrained notes struggle to be heard above a metallic drone slowly snaking from ear to ear of the listener. Bleak and without hope, this track captures the darkness that has washed over Aina's mind. And then it is done. "Watershed Reprise" finds Aina's return to her home, utilizing a return to the same calm and tranquil pads and tones to suggest a reunion with her family and the safety of clear thought. The clouds have lifted and she finds herself free once again, in body and in spirit. As brilliant as it is emotional, "Passage" is a beautiful work by one of Toronto's premier electronic acts. Many lesser talents would find themselves lost in such a dark subject matter, but dreamSTATE are able to convey the scene, the situation and the emotions felt in a succinct and powerful way. A testimony to their sophistication and artistry, "Passage" is sure to become a classic of the genre. rik - ping things "Passage" is available now at ping things! Visit http://www.pingthings.com/DSpassage.htm to hear mp3 samples and to buy a copy! And don't forget to tune in to ping things radio Sunday and Wednesdays between 9pm and 12am at http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment This week we'll have tracks from Passage along with material from Robert Rich and this week's PiNG performer Arms Full of Sound, not to mention tons of other great stuff from the ping things catalogue! http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Other Toronto area sonic/visual events of interest this week: * Wednesday May 3rd . Deep Wireless presents YOUR EAR CABARET @ the Drake Underground Actors, poets, musicians and DJs bring a feast for the ears: Anna Friz, John Oswald, Sook-Yin Lee, Christine Duncan, Paul Dutton + The Bat by Impatient Theatre, Tell by Soraya Peerbaye & Sprawl by Threshold Theatre. In Your Ear will be recorded for later broadcast for CBC radio and will also be broadcast live-to-air from the Drake on CKLN 88.1-FM. the Drake Underground . 1150 Queen Street West, doors open 7:30pm . show starts at 8:00pm . $15/$12 * Wednesday May 3rd . Shoplifting, Genders, Nervous Sleepers & Sounds of North AMerican Adult Bookstores 9pm . Sneeky Dee's . $7 * Thursday, May 4th . Improvisors' Pool The improvisors' pool is a weekly gathering for musicians who practice collective free improvisation. It welcomes players of all levels and backgrounds. 7:00-9:00 . Ralph Thornton Centre 765 Queen Street East * Friday, May 5th . Earshot #18: Kafka Fragmente A presentation of Hungarian master Gyorgy Kurtag's beautiful and intimate composition based on of the writings of Franz Kafka. Performed by soprano Kristin Mueller-Heaslip and violinist Christian Robinson. In German with English titles. 8:00 . Gallery 1313, 1313 Queen St. W. $15 / $10 (seniors/members/artsworkers) / $5 (students) * Sunday, May 7th . ISAACS SEEN AND HEARD "The Liberties" (Travels I) of Susan Howe Introduction and parts 1 & 2 of the pOemPERA of Udo Kasemets, visuals: Pierre Tremblay, Susan Layard, singer/speaker, Udo Kasemets, pianist, Paul Dutton, speaker. 3 p.m . at Victoria University, Emmanuel College 75 Queens Park . Free admission * Sunday, May 7th . The NOW Series presented by AIMT and the NOW Lounge 4:00- Skinny Vinny-(from Boston) Josh Jefferson- Sax & Toy Flute Andrew Eisenberg- Percussion 5:00- Mike and Mike(from hell) Mike hansen-turntables Michael Keith-acoustic guitar 6:00- Mike and Mike and Vinny - a collision of the first 2 groups 4-7PM . The NOW Lounge - 189 Church St. . $6 * Sunday, May 7th . Soundstreams Canada presents CABARET + featuring two world premieres by Brian Current (Canada) and the sensational Frankenstein!! by HK Gruber (Austria) 8 PM . Glenn Gould Studio . $25 adult / $20 senior/ $5 student * May 1st - 31st . New Adventures In Sound Art Presents: Deep Wireless Festival. a month-long celebration of radio and transmission art, radio artists, sound artists and enthusiasts can experience performances, sound installations, new commissions, special radio broadcasts, a CD launch and conference. Conference Pass $150/130 (+$20 discount - early bird registration) Early bird registration deadline is April 14th, day rates available. May 1st - 31st . The Drake Hotel (1150 Queen St W) & Ryerson University Student Campus Centre (55 Gould St) more info at http://www.deepwireless.ca . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from around the world, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA . 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 08:08:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05DC83BEE1; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SPT4zmHViO5wSe9EDmSTFKLXxnpHVhqO7j1DG+Gxi0XVrff/UhaOUkFpPz5otiksVcrksLPPYKKUEgJ0bzAg1UDQTVhvYQi7+QrvqMKA+WOk65KTaKrNiAFo6s/UI+AQUudnnUBGUj3mFz42eN8iAGmLYLyUVHCIqA/R9CgsPqY= In-Reply-To: <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: aiff to REX? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:08:48 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2006, at 02.02, rdwiv wrote: > It's not free but www.chickensys.com "Translator" will convert them > http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/ > specialfeatures/slicefiles.html It seems Translator will work for Mark's RMX needs, at least for mono loops. RMX does indeed support REX1 files, as the Spectrasonics Sage Convertor ReadMe file says: "The following types of Propellerheads ReCycle files are supported: REX1/REX2/.RCY". But personally I'm not convinced about Translator from reading that page, because I noticed they had some facts wrong regarding Ableton Live and who knows about the accuracy of rest of the text? I guess anyone can find out by visiting some of the links given on the page http://www.chickensys.com/support/software/translator/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 08:48:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF07C3BED2; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4455CB6A.2050401@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:48:42 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: aiff to REX? References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > But personally I'm not convinced about Translator from reading that > page, because I noticed they had some facts wrong regarding Ableton Live -unless of course they can make a rex file from a wavefile and .asd? that would be awesome. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 09:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6783BEEC; Mon, 1 May 2006 09:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hXzhcbjH1LyHv9VQdon4dcOA3lbujGU9sZqRcPR8U8IZqNPJkpdikLWOm1QeAbCeJIORhYXxUAUq6DfAbXkz96cexNTBhI/ZIYAzaHpvkLPYG4yxtDJkbrQJIEdHn8ZiS016ap388ZYP77dRAEZFO2yJlPz6DtYww53AqPqxe2E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4455CB6A.2050401@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060430012953.74748.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00c601c66cb2$8f80cfc0$45bae104@hppav> <0D33F8CD-59A4-4517-8E39-F2534CA4DBEA@gmail.com> <4455CB6A.2050401@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <88F729C2-AE38-4B19-BDB1-885E4F1504A7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: aiff to REX? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:42:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:42:43 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: >> But personally I'm not convinced about Translator from reading >> that page, because I noticed they had some facts wrong regarding >> Ableton Live On 1 maj 2006, at 10.48, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > -unless of course they can make a rex file from a wavefile > and .asd? that would be awesome. Yes, indeed! Maybe Translator does read Live's .asd file and chops up the wave file accordingly to create a REX file? This also makes sense with what Andrew Duke has heard: that Translator works better if used in the Windows version. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 13:24:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7A93BEF1; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [24.42.247.193] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:24:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2006 13:24:12.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[897FAF40:01C66D22] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:24:14 +0000 (UTC)

Are you using the epd footcontroller?  If so, I found that the switches do go over time and stop working.  I recently replaced all of mine and it solved the issues I had that were similar to yours.

 

Dave

From:  David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  EDP "Mute" button issues
Date:  Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:57:29 -0700


I took my EDP out into the world today to play a gig, and it worked fine for the most part.  But a couple of times during the performance, I hit the MUTE button and the music didn't stop.

Any theories as to why this would have happened?

Is there any programmable condition in which that button stops doing what it's intended to do?




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David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://playback.trufun.com

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 15:58:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D4323BED2; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:50:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) At 9:24 AM -0400 5/1/06, Dave Lauzon wrote: >Are you using the epd footcontroller? If so, I found that the >switches do go over time and stop working. I recently replaced all >of mine and it solved the issues I had that were similar to yours. My unit is very new, and the controller has had only a couple hundred strokes on all the buttons combines. But I suppose a button could go intermittent on me. Where doe sone go to get those switches replaced? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:15:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A4B03BEF8; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [24.42.247.193] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:15:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2006 16:15:37.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BD3D9D0:01C66D3A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:15:41 +0000 (UTC)

If you had the switches, you could probably do it yourself.  If you open up the footcontroller you'll notice that there is not a lot going on in there.  That is strange that it went right away, is it still under warranty?  If you bought it locally I'm sure the place you bought it would be able to fix you up on the spot.

I forgot to ask, does the mute button on the front panel work?  If so, I'm sure its a switch.

 

Dave

From:  David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Reply-To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To:  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:  RE: EDP "Mute" button issues
Date:  Mon, 1 May 2006 08:50:35 -0700
At 9:24 AM -0400 5/1/06, Dave Lauzon wrote:
>Are you using the epd footcontroller?  If so, I found that the
>switches do go over time and stop working.  I recently replaced all
>of mine and it solved the issues I had that were similar to yours.

My unit is very new, and the controller has had only a couple hundred strokes on all the buttons combines.  But I suppose a button could go intermittent on me.

Where doe sone go to get those switches replaced?



--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://playback.trufun.com

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0169B3BF04; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:27:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcZtOoQxybMNt2zOS1qTnoT4AWOkwgAAJf4A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060501162735.FLNU27919.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Well, there's this: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200402/msg00317.html Text follows: . From: Travis Hartnett . Subject: Re: EDP foot controller: touch buttons . Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:37:30 -0800 I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the switches, such as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be standing on before you start playing. In really dirty situations, you may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out with a can of compressed air once you get home. The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. TravisH I'm Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:28:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA2C3BF0C; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:27:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4joXTC.A.G2B.DdjVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:28:51 +0000 (UTC) At 12:15 PM -0400 5/1/06, Dave Lauzon wrote: >If you had the switches, you could probably do it yourself. If you >open up the footcontroller you'll notice that there is not a lot >going on in there. That is strange that it went right away, is it >still under warranty? If you bought it locally I'm sure the place >you bought it would be able to fix you up on the spot. Good point. I'll check with my dealer. >I forgot to ask, does the mute button on the front panel work? If >so, I'm sure its a switch. I'll have to try that. Thanks! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 16:33:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0CF73BF13; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060501162735.FLNU27919.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060501162735.FLNU27919.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:32:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4aCZuD.A.TCC.rhjVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) At 9:27 AM -0700 5/1/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the switches, such >as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If >after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black >particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean >everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be >standing on before you start playing. In really dirty situations, you >may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out with a can of >compressed air once you get home. This unit hasn't been anywhere near any dirt - yet. >The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, >such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force >required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. Uh-oh. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 17:06:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 703BA3BEF7; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Mouser switch replacements (was RE: EDP "Mute" button issue) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:06:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcZtPQt/NT3ZKN5iTzm7Omj2Hi/JVgABEDvg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060501170621.CXBM24290.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <_hQ2DB.A.D5D.PAkVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC) http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=echople x%3Bmouser&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=1000&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineo nly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifi elds=case I think . . . G -----Original Message----- From: David Gans [mailto:david@trufun.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 9:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues At 9:27 AM -0700 5/1/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >I've encountered erratic behavior if you get dirt in the switches, such >as when you're playing somewhere with a lot of grit on the floor. If >after a few tunes you start to notice an accumulation of fine black >particles around the oft-used switches, get down there and clean >everything off ASAP. If possible, sweep the area you're going to be >standing on before you start playing. In really dirty situations, you >may want to open up the footpedal and blow everything out with a can of >compressed air once you get home. This unit hasn't been anywhere near any dirt - yet. >The more-expensive switch option often introduces its own problems, >such as decreased accuracy from the longer throw/greater force >required, and an increase in the acoustic switching noise. Uh-oh. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 17:08:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF7E3BEFC; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:08:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcZtPQt/NT3ZKN5iTzm7Omj2Hi/JVgABMSig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060501170844.COBC25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:08:46 +0000 (UTC) http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&lstdispproductid=2184 17&e_categoryid=142&e_pcodeid=01016 I feel like Richard Zvonar. Enjoy G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 17:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29CDA3BF06; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060501170844.COBC25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20060501170844.COBC25666.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:29:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: EDP "Mute" button issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:33:50 +0000 (UTC) At 10:08 AM -0700 5/1/06, Gary Lehmann wrote: >http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=displayproduct&lstdispproductid=218417&e_categoryid=142&e_pcodeid=01016 Thanks again! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://playback.trufun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 18:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E71803BEFC; Mon, 1 May 2006 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445657D2.8090906@knology.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:47:46 -0400 From: Dan Montgomery Reply-To: dmont@knology.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FA: I'm selling my 'Rang. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8HctKB.A.Z5.1hlVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) It's in excellent condition. ebay #7411458696 http://cgi.ebay.com/Boomerang-V2-Phase-Sampler-Excellent-Deal_W0QQitemZ7411458696QQcategoryZ101974QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem fyi. -- dm www.music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor -------------------- www.getcoffeecup.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 21:14:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D513BEDA; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Looperlative LP1 testers Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:14:32 +0200 Message-ID: <002901c66d64$41019de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:14:45 +0000 (UTC) I've been unsubscribed for some time due to mailbox overflow, but I've = been following the discussion through the archive. There are two topics (second topic in a separate post): I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of = the most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or = musical gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined? Thanks Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 1 21:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123633BEDE; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: KLF The Manual Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:33:09 +0200 Message-ID: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5iYFd.A.ZhF.e6nVEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:33:19 +0000 (UTC) I've searched the LD archive and couldn't find a reference to the book by the KLF (Bill Drummond, Jimmy Cauty) "The Manual" (HOW TO HAVE A NUMBER ONE THE EASY WAY). There's an online version of it: http://www.klf.de/online/books/bytheklf/manual.htm Now I don't know if any looper is interested in placing a number one in the UK charts. Some things are specific to the late 80s, some of the people involved have since deceased (Scott Piering, John Peel), nevertheless it's an interesting read. Some quotes: > Michael Jackson [...] CAN come up with the bass lines. > "Billy Jean" was the turning point in Jackson's > career. That song, on his own admission, took him into the mega > stratospheres where his myth now reigns. The fact is, "Billy Jean" > would be nothing without that lynx-on-the-prowl bass line; but he > wasn't the first to use it. It had been featured in numerous dance > tracks by various artists before him. Jackson and Quincy must have > been hanging out around the pool table in their air conditioned dimmed > light atmosphere, L.A. studio one evening wondering: "What next?" when > one of them came up with the idea of using the old lynx- on-the-prowl > standby. This one motivated my posting about it to LD: > Serious groove merchants hate it when a song has a dynamite bass line > for the verse and then when the chorus comes the chords change, > dragging the bass away from its "bad self" into having to follow > those limp wristed chords. For them the whole movement of the > song is destroyed for the sake of some nursery rhyme element > they would rather see dumped. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 02:34:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 284953BEC5; Tue, 2 May 2006 02:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> References: <000601c665ce$afe24db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: CODA -- TO A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:36:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! That's a great quote, by the way. I really like it, and may try to=20 incorporate it into something sometime. Do you know for sure it is "original" with Hellmut=20= Hattler? If I quote him I would want to make sure I was correctly attributing it. As for me, my fingers healed **enough** to play adequately (I think). I=20= had to perform with plastic bandages on my fingertips on Friday (and still tore open a=20= blister or two). I performed again on Saturday and did so with bare fingers. For a=20 variety of reasons I did not feel my Friday duo performance with trumpeter Jeff Kaiser was=20= "up to snuff" (although Jeff played extra-wonderfully to cover for me) but I think=20 the Saturday trio spot with Jeff and master percussionist/showman/creative-whacko Rick=20 Walker went quite well -- and seemed to be positively received too. I was happy=20 with it at least. Krispen Hartung MUST be commended for putting on a fabulous and=20 extremely well organized show. He also gave a Saturday afternoon performance which was=20= superb. Highlights (for me at least) were Jeff Rice and Ted Apel's set of=20 capturing and processing signals from cosmic rays. Rick Walker's solo set. Lumper Splitter, and=20= (of course) Krispen's own set with drummer Jared Hallock. It was a fun time and the venue and=20= staff were all terrific. It was great to hear and perform with Jeff again. He=20 always kicks my behind. Anywho, I am back from Boise, Idaho, safe and sound to my wife, kids=20 and little home in Medford, Oregon . . . all in one piece. Next weekend I travel to=20 Ventura, California to play in the annual Ventura New Music Festival (VNMF) that is organized=20= (again) by none other than Jeff Kaiser. It's always a pleasure to play in my old home=20 town (I lived there, and in nearby Santa Barbara) for several years. I still consider that=20 area "home." A lot of great musicians will be playing there and it will be my first=20= chance to see Nels Cline play in nearly a decade. I'm looking forward to it. I get to=20= share a spot on the schedule callled "First Meetings" where I perform with a musician named=20= Bill Harrington, whom I've never even met before. It should be interesting. I love doing=20= this sort of thing. BTW, I send out a big thanks to everyone on the list for all of the=20 positive **energy** they were sending my way with their e-mails and kind well wishes. I was=20 "touched" and very grateful for every single one of those e-mails. Thanks, tEd =AE KiLLiAn On Apr 28, 2006, at 12:38 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, > > I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players=20= > Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... > > Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. > > It translates to: > Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). > > In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included=20 > within the same words. > > Too bad I can't be in Boise From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 02:53:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75FA93BED8; Tue, 2 May 2006 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442F4AAE.60903@midsouth.rr.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:53:18 -0600 From: Tardy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: TC 0144 for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Going to try one more time with a lower price this time: I'm letting go of my TC 0144 foot-controller for the 2290 delay. Anyone who has any questions about what this unit is or what it does, feel free to email me. However I think most here are familiar with it. This unit was purchased from a gigging musician about 6 years ago, and has lived in my home ever since. It has seen some road use from its previous owner, and as a result has quite a few chips and scratches. However, it is in perfect working order. All LED's, jacks, and foot-switches function perfectly. You can view a small pic here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Tardy/0144.jpg However, I have a really large, high-resolution version of the same pic that I can email. Just email me and I can send it to you. I'm asking $150 with shipping included. I can ship anywhere within the continental U.S. Feel free to ask me any questions. Thanks for any interest. Tardy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 02:54:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9F1C3BEDE; Tue, 2 May 2006 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <442F4AFA.4080408@midsouth.rr.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:54:34 -0600 From: Tardy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Yamaha UD Stomp for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm lowering the price of my Yamaha UD-Stomp delay unit. This unit was purchased new two years ago, and is in perfect, mint condition. It is literally in the exact same condition it was the day it came out of the box. There is not so much as a fleck of dust on it, and I have never had an issue with it. It has never been gigged with, and it has never left my home. I have used it maybe 10-12 times at the most in the entire time I have owned it. It has seen VERY little use. The manual, patch-list, and AC-adapter are of course included. And I'll throw in a two-foot patch cable as well for expression pedal connection. You can view a couple of small pics here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Tardy/UDStomp1.jpg and http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v429/Tardy/UDStomp2.jpg I have super high-resolution versions of the same pics that I can email as well. Just email me and I'll send them to you. I'm asking $350, which will include shipping. U.S. only please. I can ship to any state within the continental U.S. Feel free to ask me any questions, and thanks for any interest. Tardy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 04:05:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDE833BED8; Tue, 2 May 2006 04:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,170,1144036800"; d="scan'208"; a="196244284:sNHT25430020" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 00:00:10 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 05.13.06 119 Gallery, Lowell, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 04:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations on May 13, at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA. I'll be performing with my regular Immersions Ensemble (Dean Stiglitz, Electro Flute, Ramona Herboldsheimer, Hammered Dulcimer and other musicians tba, and also with Tim Casey's Ambient Improv band ChillGroove. The performances will be at Walter Wright and Mary Ann Kearns splendid 119 Gallery space in Lowell, starting at 8PM. 119 Gallery 119 Chelmsford Street, Lowell. Admission is $5.00 From Boston: Take I93 north to I495, Take I495 south to exit 35C and get on the Lowell Connector, Or Take Rte 2 west to I95, Take I95 north to Rte 3, Take Rte 3 north to exit 30A and get on the Lowell Connector, Then Get off the Connector at exit 4 and turn left on Plain St, Take Plain St to the lights and turn right on Chelmsford St, Stay on Chelmsford St for 2/3 mile. From the T: From North Station take the Lowell line to the end, Exit the terminal and walk to the stop light, Turn left onto Thorndike Street, Walk to the top of the rotary, Turn left onto Chelmsford Street, Cross Chelmsford Street at the 7-11, Continue on Chelmsford Street past the Muffler Shop, Used Car Lot, and Asian strip mall 119 Gallery is the next white building on your right. From Manchester: Take I93 south to I495, Take I495 south to exit 35C and get on the Lowell Connector, Or Take the Daniel Webster Highway south to Rte 3, Take Rte 3 south to exit 30A and get on the Lowell Connector, Then Get off the Connector at exit 4 and turn left on Plain St, Take Plain St to the lights and turn right on Chelmsford St, Stay on Chelmsford St for 2/3 mile. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 06:30:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76203BED0; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dJfbu9OaRGiXSsoBb8piegVQz5Wt8jskSDYM6XtiKGHIvr+NJqRjayMvJY5n7h/h3xbUXytFX7cD4GZZ9e7jB6/WYOMWQ6jhleVRp/Ks/oVoXO9EDg56VpL6Mlo/C4qeUAE7PB5lbS5FVcNrcnENN9A5mkOhjHk3jYA+ZnEmpVI= In-Reply-To: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B020C33-E23C-470A-8DE8-1494081B229B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: KLF The Manual Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:30:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 06:30:16 +0000 (UTC) On 1 maj 2006, at 23.33, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > There's an online version of it: > http://www.klf.de/online/books/bytheklf/manual.htm Now that's great! I have had it as a huge unformatted word file and that's not easy to read. A much better way was to save this html version as PDF (OSX: "print / as PDF") and get a nice e-book of 57 pages. Thanks for the tip, Bernhard! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 11:23:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 619163BED0; Tue, 2 May 2006 11:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1146569028!41803352!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9172@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jayrope: Old but New -> Jamman outdoors: help on schematics Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C66DDA.E162BB40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:23:52 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66DDA.E162BB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on first examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V dc regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would keep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon? what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'm going to replace some of the process..... will let you know the minute I do this. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66DDA.E162BB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Jayrope: Old but New -> Jamman outdoors: help on schematics</= TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once o= r twice, but I haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd= think, on first examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifie= r & then a 5V dc regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough = current at 5V would keep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonde= r if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon?</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's i= ssue- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply = only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need= to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman)= if I'm going to replace some of the process..... </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>will let you know the minute I do this.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT> </P> <CODE><FONT SIZE=3D3><BR> <BR> ***************************************************************************= <BR> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<BR> <BR> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user<BR> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also<BR> be privileged. 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I wonder if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon? > >what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I >want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply >only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so >I need to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets >into the jamman) if I'm going to replace some of the process..... > >will let you know the minute I do this. > >duncan. > -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1065535663==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>RE: Jayrope: Old but New -> Jamman outdoors: help on schem

I believe that the jamman uses a voltage doubler and bumps up the 9Vac which is then rectified and regulated down to +/- 12vdc and +5v for the logic circuits...

I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on first examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V dc regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would keep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought to drop a line to mr sellon?
what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to figure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'm going to replace some of the process.....
will let you know the minute I do this.
duncan.

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--============_-1065535663==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 17:29:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5691C3BED2; Tue, 2 May 2006 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c66e0d$f8650cc0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <002901c66d64$41019de0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: Looperlative LP1 testers Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:29:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) BV I've been unsubscribed for some time due to mailbox overflow, but I've been following the discussion through the archive. There are two topics (second topic in a separate post): I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of the most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or musical gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined? hey Bernhard what a strange question ? is LP1 buggy ? is LP1 unstructured? there seems to be enough ideas thrown at Bob Amstadt to keep him occupied for a long time (theres a part time job for a c. programmer at looperlative.com btw) having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a little bothered with the "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a software. Wich, may lead to a lot of frustration, not deserved at all criticism and bitterness because of too much public "communication" between the developper, the users, the eventual buyer if..., the nerdy dreamers, etc... all that, finally leading to a general feeling that the direction of developement is confuse because of too much diverse inputs. and the soft not going in "my" direction, yet. me for myself keeping my 3 edp's for some more time...:=), but keeping an interested eye at LP1 and a _very_ interested at moebius devellopement. Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 18:00:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ACFF3BEDA; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:05:56 +0200 Subject: Jamman battery powered, was: Jamman Schematics From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9172@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3229445157_76064" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3229445157_76064 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > hey duncan (hey charles), >=20 > well I think our issue is similar. meanwhile we got to built a 12-14v lea= d > battery powered dc-to-ac converter in the works, which will eb anyways us= eful, > not just for the jamman, because many better devices, like a real nice > compressor for instamce work with AC 9v power supplies. >=20 > I=B9ll keep you updated. A schematics for the converter we (me and my rooma= te) > now just build ourselves will follow the next days aswell as a test sheet= for > y=B9all. >=20 > will be awesome. that way I can play in parks and such (must do that for = the > exoperience of doing it.) > my roommate has already builtme a lead battery powered X-Hi-Z input amp w= ith > built in insert and bigg muff EQ... I=B9ll send pictures along with the tes= t > report in a few... >=20 > or you go to myspace.com/jayrope and look at the ductamp image... >=20 > tooot >=20 > thanx very much, this is a very helpful list right now. >=20 > jayrope >=20 >=20 > I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I > haven't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on fi= rst > examination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V d= c > regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would kee= p it > happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought to dr= op a > line to mr sellon? >=20 > what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issue- I want to = find > a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only smaller) to ru= n the > jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to figure out what's > happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'm going to rep= lace > some of the process..... >=20 > will let you know the minute I do this. >=20 > duncan.=20 --B_3229445157_76064 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Jamman battery powered, was: Jamman Schematics
hey duncan (hey charles),
well I think our issue is similar. meanwhile we got to built a 12-14v lead = battery powered dc-to-ac converter in the works, which will eb anyways usefu= l, not just for the jamman, because many better devices, like a real nice co= mpressor for instamce work with AC 9v power supplies.

I’ll keep you updated. A schematics for the converter we (me and my r= oomate) now just build ourselves will follow the next days aswell as a test = sheet for y’all.

will be awesome. that way I can play in parks and such (must do that for th= e exoperience of doing it.)
my roommate has already builtme a lead battery powered X-Hi-Z input amp wit= h built in insert and bigg muff EQ... I’ll send pictures along with th= e test report in a few...

or you go to myspace.com/jayrope and look at the ductamp image...

tooot

thanx very much, this is a very helpful list right now.

jayrope


I've had an educated poke around inside the jamman once or twice, but I hav= en't cracked this yet. schemos would be useful..... you'd think, on first ex= amination, that the 9V ac only goes as far as a rectifier & then a 5V dc= regulator, & that simply giving the jamman enough current at 5V would k= eep it happy. this appears not to be the case. I wonder if one of us ought t= o drop a line to mr sellon?

what I'm trying to do is a bit different than jayrope's issu= e- I want to find a suitable universal power unit (like a laptop supply only= smaller) to run the jamman off. these units all give out dc, so I need to f= igure out what's happening to the 9V ac (once it gets into the jamman) if I'= m going to replace some of the process.....

will let you know the minute I do this.

duncan.
--B_3229445157_76064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 18:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB3AE3BEDB; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GOtX2xonoY9Hbdn5Ml0E4MCIM4zvfcHfMKPSn7nogcIq+aQbRLwyO+DZ5lofVIM/1urCUJC3BkJJequRcMC8lPLwUCQny0ekBhLEk3DKd/v2B0JjPpENR80E8MGxEGyfl/FNarOgkGmLG0cpO8FtDb1wnwmpEDnLpxETTqinXBk= ; Message-ID: <20060502183549.64042.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c66e0d$f8650cc0$0400000a@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:35:51 +0000 (UTC) --- Claude Voit wrote: > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a > little bothered with the > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a > software. Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a great idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in. People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self absorbed jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by this point. I can't wait for the "let's change the logo thread!" ;) I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due to his design by customer input, that I bought a beta product. The manual is poor (many features are barely mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for Steve Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned the LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in any way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many have already been found and fixed) Was a night of my life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels as 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the midi clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. Another gone because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the clock... Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished form I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a tweak away from being my dream looper. (there's curently no way to use the midi tracks as separate loops when synced to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP or the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging from what I read on the forum you could operate it that way. If this was a product from a company like Roland or Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly when those companies release a product it is what it is. I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate like I want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product that *may* change into what I want. This is kind of odd, as rather than digging into if for what it is (a very cool multi track looper), I can't help but think of what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in several requests but never got a "oh that's slated in the next release" or "no, that's not doable at this time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to multiple tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, we will need to spend more time defining how you want the software to work. The software is still young and I'd be happy to make changes to make operate in a useable fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I don't develop hardware/software loopers so I have no idea what it takes in terms of time to implement features. Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one of few that even care about this. As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I couldn't know that based on prerelease information* It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm ranting (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank acount on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I wait? How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but part of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in initial conception before it was released. If I knew that this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a long time, I would have passed. I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a great looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're not a midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. If you don't care about cuing a new loop to start recording at the end of the current loop AND then going back and finding the first loop still perfectly synced to your drum machine, this may be your looper. If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or not) loops that don't all have to be the same length, this may be your looper. Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably going to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like the Looperlative. I could not have done anything like this at all. I have much respect for your hard work and effort. Your ability to implement all our crazy feature requests in a short time has been amazing. I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. In a sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is the LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be done with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain that I just can't scratch. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 18:45:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E553BEDA; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1146595554!47914997!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9182@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Jamman battery powered, was: Jamman Schematics Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C66E18.A4029160" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:45:58 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66E18.A4029160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" well, armed with what charles has confirmed (without the schemos, I found it difficult to work out what was going on, but suspected there'd be the usual 12s & 5s in there somewhere) I can probably get mine to run off a small laptop supply, which is what I wanted all along. if I can find a really small laptop supply, I might be able to fit it in the jamman's own case...... by the same token, sort of, maybe jay would be able to figure out what laptops do to their 15V battery supply to run the +/- 12V & +5V they almost certainly need.... d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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well, armed with what charles has confirmed (without the schemos, I found it difficult to work out what was going on, but suspected there'd be the usual 12s & 5s in there somewhere) I can probably get mine to run off a small laptop supply, which is what I wanted all along.
 
if I can find a really small laptop supply, I might be able to fit it in the jamman's own case......
 
by the same token, sort of, maybe jay would be able to figure out what laptops do to their 15V battery supply to run the +/- 12V & +5V they almost certainly need....
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66E18.A4029160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 19:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6E273BEE4; Tue, 2 May 2006 19:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:17:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: gig in Leeds, UK this saturday Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4457BE5E.19240.773797@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <442F4AAE.60903@midsouth.rr.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:17:41 +0000 (UTC) I have a rare gig this weekend in Leeds - details here; http://www.ambientlive.com/awakenings/leeds.htm The organisation are to be praised - they present regular gigs of electronic music despite maing no money at all. They give UK loopers and similar animals a rare chance to play in front of a sympathic audience! The CD I made with Canadian improv Chris Meloche (alias Outward Sound Ensemble) has had a good review in "Wire" - more detauls here http://www.kathodik.it/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2465. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 19:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0813BED0; Tue, 2 May 2006 19:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4457B8F2.5070806@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:54:26 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CODA -- TO A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE References: <000601c665ce$afe24db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:54:28 +0000 (UTC) tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > Thanks! > > That's a great quote, by the way. I really like it, and may try to > incorporate it into something sometime. Do you know for sure it is > "original" with Hellmut Hattler? If I quote him I would want to make > sure I was correctly attributing it. I found it on a fan site about the group Kraan: http://www.spacelook.de/kraan/kraan.htm The complete Quote is: Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. Je nachdem, aus welchem Holz er geschnitzt ist, bleibt entsprechend viel Asche übrig. The second part translate to: dependend on the wood he is made of, more or less ashes will remain. The word "Asche" could also be understood as synonym for money... Don't know if the quote was made with this double meaning in mind or not. If you want to prove the authenticity, I'd ask Klaus Unland, the guy who runs the site. Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 19:58:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 922ED3BEE6; Tue, 2 May 2006 19:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:03:52 +0200 Subject: Re: CODA -- TO A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4457B8F2.5070806@addcom.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Interesting translation... I thought this would be about erm loops hahahaha > tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> Thanks! >>=20 >> That's a great quote, by the way. I really like it, and may try to >> incorporate it into something sometime. Do you know for sure it is >> "original" with Hellmut Hattler? If I quote him I would want to make >> sure I was correctly attributing it. > The complete Quote is: > Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. Je > nachdem, aus welchem Holz er geschnitzt ist, bleibt entsprechend viel --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). > Asche =FCbrig. >=20 > The second part translate to: dependend on the wood he is made of, more > or less ashes will remain. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:06:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801CF3BEEE; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: KLF The Manual Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:05:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) On May 1, 2006, at 4:33 PM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Now I don't know if any looper is interested in placing a number one > in the > UK charts. Some things are specific to the late 80s, some of the people > involved have since deceased (Scott Piering, John Peel), nevertheless > it's > an interesting read. The Manual is the most important book about music ever written. here's another good quote: "Even if you want it to sound like a real bass guitar, a sampled sound of a bass guitar will be used, then programmed. It's easier than getting some thumb-slapping dickhead in." --- Suit & Tie Guy www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:09:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C37013BEE2; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 22:14:44 +0200 Subject: Re: KLF The Manual From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:09:06 +0000 (UTC) I disagree. Music itself is the most important thign about music ever written, everythign else is just words. J Kliklak.net > > The Manual is the most important book about music ever written. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:30:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 158663BEE9; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kLHZolY1wJ0uYpBojUr3vGbQY0YNQSGYtDUebHw13VA8XcF5MbJhslLDTsSKLHzu3sbwUL3Di10TKAr4kz02ytM0awdzsQw/TJuD368sza1DE30uhgrVp/v+HGQIVb05NykNL/IW/lr8uoLCdnuAHTeQpBtcSib6EBfQyL2eIKU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> References: <002a01c66d66$d8572780$2101a8c0@alhambra> <25fa9bee473677747d97333e17ce84c0@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02FDC3C6-EF34-4BD4-9B9F-D6A3D46D15BE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: KLF The Manual Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:30:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:30:49 +0000 (UTC) On 2 maj 2006, at 22.05, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > here's another good quote: > > "Even if you want it to sound like a real bass guitar, a sampled > sound of a bass guitar will be used, then programmed. It's easier > than getting some thumb-slapping dickhead in." Ha, ha.. that's funny. A project I was working with back in the nineties had a single mixed by the two KLF engineers. They were extremely skilled and I would definitely trust them for tweaking a sampler instead of "getting some thumb-slapping dickhead in" ;-)) Looking back I can now see that the this particular KLF quote probably addressed these two engineering guys - LOL!!! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 20:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B2083BEDF; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3D68B4DC-5760-4A10-A4EB-FFEAA48CAF35@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: re: Looperlative testers Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:55:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:55:31 +0000 (UTC) >>>I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of the most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or musical gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined?<<< Probably because Bob doesn't know Andy at all. I've known Bob for years, and was, I think, part of his introduction to the world of live looping. He also met Rick Walker many years ago at a gig that Rick and I did with Michael Manring at the San Jose Museum of Art, that Rick organised. Bob was pretty clear about where he wanted the looperlative to go, and knew that Rick and I would have ideas that fed into that. He didn't really need any more beta testers than that. There are a heck of a lot of people on this list who would be well placed to offer advice and ideas on what a loop box could be. Bob just sent his prototypes to two of his friends, simple as that. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 21:29:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E4CC3BEDB; Tue, 2 May 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QN9k3w5vr9+6gUT6pJ2z9DNtJdpMhs8yHwYmDHtUuENM2kYDmWM5cJ3kDHp9kpD4XBawaM/I/aMuKENrskyLora/FLTyrFUDuJCzwVAhJ2AXB3cB0Q+vqZGZPjhLnM6ghmzjPPCJ0fyC3Y9osHuu5cH4rkaWONelUCw1ICZy6tY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:29:14 -0400 From: "mark t" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LP1 Rant warning! (was Re: Looperlative LP1 testers) In-Reply-To: <20060502183549.64042.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003a01c66e0d$f8650cc0$0400000a@mini> <20060502183549.64042.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:29:16 +0000 (UTC) If you want to sell your LP1 i'll take it! On 5/2/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > --- Claude Voit wrote: > > > having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a > > little bothered with the > > "throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a > > software. > > Boy howdy, Claude!! At first I thought, "what a great > idea, go to the people!" and then reality set in. > People are self absorbed jerks! I'm a self absorbed > jerk! I'm shocked that Bob's not gone crazy by this > point. I can't wait for the "let's change the logo > thread!" ;) > > I can't help but feel that in some ways, maybe due to > his design by customer input, that I bought a beta > product. The manual is poor (many features are barely > mentioned, let alone explained, if it wasn't for Steve > Lawson on the forum I probably would have returned the > LP-1), it's got outputs that aren't implemented in any > way and did ship with a fair amount of bugs. (many > have already been found and fixed) Was a night of my > life wasted because v 1.1 refered to midi channels as > 0-15? Yes it was. Another gone because the midi > clock sync didn't work? Yeah, that too. Another gone > because stopped tracks don't restart synced to the > clock... > > Also, because of it's very open yet unfinished form > I'm one of those frustrated owners. It's a tweak away > from being my dream looper. (there's curently no way > to use the midi tracks as separate loops when synced > to a midi clock and have them operate like the EDP or > the Repeater does, toggling betwen them) Judging from > what I read on the forum you could operate it that > way. > > If this was a product from a company like Roland or > Digitech, it would have been returned. Mostly when > those companies release a product it is what it is. > I'd have said, "Oh, this product does't operate like I > want it to. Bye bye." But now I have a product that > *may* change into what I want. This is kind of odd, > as rather than digging into if for what it is (a very > cool multi track looper), I can't help but think of > what it isn't and might be. LOOP TEASE! > > Will my tweak come? I don't know. I've put in > several requests but never got a "oh that's slated in > the next release" or "no, that's not doable at this > time" reply. The reply was "When it comes to multiple > tracks, especially when combined with MIDI sync, we > will need to spend more time defining how you want the > software to work. The software is still young and I'd > be happy to make changes to make operate in a useable > fashion." How much time? Do I be patient? I don't > develop hardware/software loopers so I have no idea > what it takes in terms of time to implement features. > Maybe my request isn't worth Bob's time as I'm one of > few that even care about this. > > As it stands now it's mostly useless to me *but I > couldn't know that based on prerelease information* > It's not even in my signal chain. I know I'm ranting > (I'm a good ranter, eh?) but $1200 left my bank acount > on something that's sitting on a shelf. Do I wait? > How long? Bob has been amazing and patient, but part > of me wishs that a bit more time was spent in initial > conception before it was released. If I knew that > this *is* the way the LP-1 is going to be for a long > time, I would have passed. > > I'm not saying the LP-1 isn't GREAT. It is a great > looper. In some ways it's the best. If you're not a > midi clock looper, this may indeed be your box. If > you don't care about cuing a new loop to start > recording at the end of the current loop AND then > going back and finding the first loop still perfectly > synced to your drum machine, this may be your looper. > If you want 8 stereo channels of midi synced (or not) > loops that don't all have to be the same length, this > may be your looper. > > Of course Bob is on this list so he's probably going > to read this. Hi Bob! Bob, I like you. I like the > Looperlative. I could not have done anything like > this at all. I have much respect for your hard work > and effort. Your ability to implement all our crazy > feature requests in a short time has been amazing. > I'd have told me to fuck off a long time ago. In a > sense I wish you would. Then I could say, "is the > LP-1 worth owning in it's current form?" and be done > with it. Like it is it's an itch in my brain that I > just can't scratch. > > Mark > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 21:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68EAE3BEE2; Tue, 2 May 2006 21:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4053.128.193.37.212.1146606132.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cranky From: johnsrude@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Whooshman: "Len, I don't know you too well, so correct me if I'm wrong...but you seem kind of cranky." Lenny: "I'm not cranky. Babies are cranky. Old men are cranky. I'm tormented." ... Wally: "He gets like that when he's cranky." -- "The Cowboy Wally Show" by Kyle Baker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 2 21:51:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B055A3BEDF; Tue, 2 May 2006 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V7Bh5zh6W37xzZrKn1xQI5dJ1JiZ9igwJ+qZe4Dx2HJLKYi7kX8EO0aqCmsu22vZsNsfhJQgkG3WJavOfyGFj4c0fjPgtX53Z3te9zKuor/I+8jJRf8cWQ3RNDSTtiRnFiZ4aMHVKbiNgnbTWIN+FTlEO1E+vQg0ShDlyPLhTLY= ; Message-ID: <20060502215139.76153.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 14:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: re: Looperlative testers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D68B4DC-5760-4A10-A4EB-FFEAA48CAF35@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) --- Steve Lawson wrote: >He didn't really need any more beta testers than that. ... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues of the LP-1. I know Rick's not a big loop sync guy and I don't think you are either, and Bob's mentioned that he isn't either. If you're going to add such functionality to a device and market it as such, wouldn't you think it a good idea to have someone who's well versed in such things to help test and develop it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 01:22:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED5363BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 01:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:22:13 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20LP1=20Rant=20warning!=20(was=20Re:=20Looper?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?lative=20LP1=A0=20testers)?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 01:22:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/2/06 2:39:31 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes: > Like it is it's an itch in my brain that I > just can't scratch. > > Mark > "i have no mouth and i must scream!"......send me your looperlative!.....well written review, thanks mark.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/2/06 2:39:31 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes:


Like it is it's an it= ch in my brain that I
just can't scratch.

Mark


"i have no mouth and i must scream!"......send me your looperlative!.....= well written review, thanks mark.....:)m



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 --part1_1ed.4ee3fddf.31895fc5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 02:47:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242DA3BED3; Wed, 3 May 2006 02:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:47:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4451C685.8010405@addcom.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 02:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pinky in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played the show without a hitch..sore as heck now... tons of fun... no.. really... ~peace~ Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:39 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > > DANG, DANG, DANG, DAGNBBIT! > > I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, > > I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players > Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... > > Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. > > It translates to: > Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). > > In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included within > the same words. > > Too bad I can't be in Boise > > If you couldn't play I'd put your cries into my loops... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 03:27:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF67A3BEC5; Wed, 3 May 2006 03:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,81,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="272991329:sNHT40075712" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-816015367 Message-Id: <0845d87a51f060970d6cf0b3efb5213a@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:28:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 03:27:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-816015367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed OUCH! On May 2, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: > Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left > pinky > in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and > smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played > the > show without a hitch..sore as heck now... --Apple-Mail-12-816015367 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII FFFF,0000,0000OUCH! On May 2, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Michael Plishka wrote: Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pinky in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played the show without a hitch..sore as heck now... --Apple-Mail-12-816015367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 03:46:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2BD3BEB6; Wed, 3 May 2006 03:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:46:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 548, in=287359, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 03:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of jazz curation: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 04:15:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DD503BEC5; Wed, 3 May 2006 04:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RWYkmXgkX30Cw3VYHSj9tv2UFWNx1ANrgmP98wW/4hzYN5tpJanbDXVf7Je6qw6Tfa/p91lymVTmOnPSVCQuEPLznAY83JniXzVLlefplU+8cMkwNEu7pJ4OuSrqtoKKWzHm00CZN/Ipz7x7hsq06y6xS1FH1AscuswDcctSSRM= Message-ID: <913728d60605022115s7ccd078bw648129e5da34e070@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:15:54 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g In-Reply-To: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 04:15:56 +0000 (UTC) wow... that guy is amazing... and he's only 21...i've got one year to go and a lot of bass practice to catch up :) Charlie On 5/2/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of jazz > curation: > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=3D0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 06:05:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 514A13BED2; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=THgZWKVXtP1HcsUmXHqB4V3YcZXokcsd2RXCiXSb4Dvc/yKMWYy/mDZH6zzuwD+BPIL7eJc/FQFuxUTiOoO3umd56itNoptJd5xnh/EfIcOB4e/hdAxgzSk4hWKjEyzb9oEdafLYNUOj+6VTAp+GeTqF4ZeFC/xkprUkpFdZCRg= ; Message-ID: <20060503060519.25693.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60605022115s7ccd078bw648129e5da34e070@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:05:23 +0000 (UTC) They remind me of the "Barcarole trio" from Baviera my bother introduced me to Dieter Holesch the speedy guitarrist i went to check them out and they are amazing as well! i went partying after the show with them but man those boys drink beer as much as they like playing guitar! http://www.dieterholesch.de/ Luis --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > wow... > > that guy is amazing... > and he's only 21...i've got one year to go and a lot > of bass practice > to catch up :) > > > Charlie > > On 5/2/06, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in > the context of jazz > > curation: > > > > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:06:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3630C3BED0; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6299F67D-2DE5-4ECB-9F39-1F59BA2960BA@ideastudioweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: bk Subject: EDP simm question Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:06:32 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:06:41 +0000 (UTC) dear Ls, I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back-up. It's a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I bought from Steve Lawson. These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over Europe. It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software obviously there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems painful. At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. Finding the 4m memories seems very hard. On the manual it's written that every 30 pin simm with at last 120ns of speed would be fine. On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a different info: there its' said that "It can use any type. Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, any speed." Who should I believe to? And since I could probably find only used simms that have no indication of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find out if they're 1, 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, what happens if I mount on it a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a damage to the EDP? Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't find a proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano Bruno Klein From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:27:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED52F3BEC5; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c66e93$d47fc8f0$0300a8c0@STUDY> Reply-To: "Nik" From: "Nik" To: References: <6299F67D-2DE5-4ECB-9F39-1F59BA2960BA@ideastudioweb.com> Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:27:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm.... When I was looking to buy my EDP+ I checked out the availability of the correct SIMMs on Ebay (I'm in the UK) and found loads, and cheap enough that I could buy a few from different sellers to cover myself. As it happens I didn't have to do this as mine came fully loaded (thanks Kelly), but it didn't look like a big problem. Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "bk" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: EDP simm question > dear Ls, > > > I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back-up. It's > a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I bought from Steve > Lawson. > These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over Europe. > > It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software obviously > there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems painful. > > At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. Finding the 4m > memories seems very hard. On the manual it's written that every 30 pin > simm with at last 120ns of speed would be fine. > On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a different info: > there its' said that "It can use any type. Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, > 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, any speed." > Who should I believe to? > > And since I could probably find only used simms that have no indication > of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find out if they're 1, > 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, what happens if I mount on it > a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a damage to the EDP? > > Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't find a > proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. > > > all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano > > Bruno Klein > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:32:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60C033BEDB; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=INDUmsF0THk1LrdJis46dOsmR7RyeLM+0P1VKvB3QSiwTPzUej8Hth5XuvYa1i4kJTFuNOvL8gQFuIrqxxKaU6A/o3bYwJJwdgdx7+a/rhs+XFdLvTzl6m3vKOX2XH6tM/Yc3z1qW41Ik1hg1qQQklmA8F5jCR1lF76FIP9oa3Q= In-Reply-To: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <799ADD0B-0D60-4A3E-83CA-338B70CA4AB4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:32:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:32:37 +0000 (UTC) On 3 maj 2006, at 05.46, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of > jazz curation: > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A > +NgOsglburzIh74g > > Kris Funny music! Every year around christmas time I use to visit a long and wet dinner with guitar players only. One year a guy brought his collection of Django videos. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:42:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E98F3BEDD; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Mark's rant... Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:42:26 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:42:33 +0000 (UTC) >>>... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues of the LP-1. I know Rick's not a big loop sync guy and I don't think you are either, and Bob's mentioned that he isn't either. If you're going to add such functionality to a device and market it as such, wouldn't you think it a good idea to have someone who's well versed in such things to help test and develop it?<<< I've used midi sync of various kinds with loopers, with varying degrees of success. But no, I wasn't brought on board to sort those issues. Anyway, Bob's not here at the moment, as you know from the LP forum. I'm sure when he gets back today or tomorrow, he'll answer your questions. cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobasstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 09:50:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701793BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:55:49 +0200 Subject: Re: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <026701c66e64$21ff9220$f8c8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Jo the guy defintateky deosn't have any SYNC issues aswell as need no power nor looping. Great stuff, thanx much for posting this. Lovely. jrp > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of jazz > curation: > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g > > Kris --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 11:26:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC6E3BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 11:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1146655549!23734363!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC918E@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: KLF The Manual Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:25:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C66EA4.53CC55F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:26:34 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C66EA4.53CC55F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" at great risk of appearing pedantic &/or pointing out the obvious, he does say "book" & "written", which- used together in this context- prevents one from interpreting his claim as applying to anything other than "just words". I'd agree with whoever it was that said "writing about music is like dancing about architecture" (sorry I can't correctly attribute this quote at the moment), except that in this instance the "manual" isn't about music (as a creative, artistic, expressive endeavour) per se, but about how to succeed in the music industry. this is not the same thing at all, & that's the point you should be hauling him up on, not the semantics. it's a fitting testament to the book, it's writers, musicians & the music industry itself that even though the book still "works" (individuals who have followed it to the letter are known to have been "successful"), musicians are generally speaking still wide-eyed innocents when it comes to dealing with major labels, lawyers & agents. in short, it hasn't changed anything even though it's all true. words are like that sometimes. :-) d. -----Original Message----- From: jayrope [mailto:jrploopers@kliklak.net] Sent: 02 May 2006 21:15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KLF The Manual I disagree. Music itself is the most important thign about music ever written, everythign else is just words. J Kliklak.net > > The Manual is the most important book about music ever written. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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at great risk of appearing pedantic &/or pointing out= the obvious, he does say "book" & "written", which= - used together in this context- prevents one from interpreting his claim a= s applying to anything other than "just words".

I'd agree with whoever it was that said "writing abo= ut music is like dancing about architecture" (sorry I can't correctly = attribute this quote at the moment), except that in this instance the "= ;manual" isn't about music (as a creative, artistic, expressive endeav= our) per se, but about how to succeed in the music industry.

this is not the same thing at all, & that's the point= you should be hauling him up on, not the semantics.

it's a fitting testament to the book, it's writers, music= ians & the music industry itself that even though the book still "= works" (individuals who have followed it to the letter are known to ha= ve been "successful"), musicians are generally speaking still wid= e-eyed innocents when it comes to dealing with major labels, lawyers & = agents. in short, it hasn't changed anything even though it's all true. wor= ds are like that sometimes. :-)

d.

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I disagree. Music itself is the most important thign abou= t music ever
written, everythign else is just words.

J
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> The Manual is the most important book about music e= ver written.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C66EA4.53CC55F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 13:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A1513BEDC; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:36:26 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Joscho Stephan (was RE: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g) In-reply-to: <799ADD0B-0D60-4A3E-83CA-338B70CA4AB4@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c66eb6$93df3560$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Ridiculously good. This is the kind of guitar playing that makes my inner jazz guy go absolutely green with envy. He's not one of those Django wannabes that just makes you pine for the real thing (tho of course I've never seen Django live) - this guy has the fire. What I really like is that when the "kid" pulls off something amazing, at least he lets it look like it's as difficult as it is, and he gets this kind of goofy "I made it" expression at the end when he kind of bounces back into his seat, and the audience goes nuts (as it should). Thanks for the pointer, Kris Best wishes, Warren Sirota > > On 3 maj 2006, at 05.46, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of > > jazz curation: > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A > > +NgOsglburzIh74g > > > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:19:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF783BED8; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.95.32.222] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <000001c66eb6$93df3560$0202a8c0@Lightning> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Joscho Stephan (was RE: http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:19:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 15:19:28.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[F85BA9C0:01C66EC4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:34 +0000 (UTC) What really blows my mind is that the hardcore Djangophiles diss this kid EVERY chance they get - for his "soulless pyrotechnics", or some such BS. As if any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as well, Django's always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - everybody knows you've got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a room practicing for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Joscho Stephan (was RE: >http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A+NgOsglburzIh74g) >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:36:26 -0400 > >Ridiculously good. This is the kind of guitar playing that makes my inner >jazz guy go absolutely green with envy. He's not one of those Django >wannabes that just makes you pine for the real thing (tho of course I've >never seen Django live) - this guy has the fire. What I really like is that >when the "kid" pulls off something amazing, at least he lets it look like >it's as difficult as it is, and he gets this kind of goofy "I made it" >expression at the end when he kind of bounces back into his seat, and the >audience goes nuts (as it should). Thanks for the pointer, Kris > >Best wishes, >Warren Sirota > > > > > > > On 3 maj 2006, at 05.46, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > Check it out...not looping, but very impressive in the context of > > > jazz curation: > > > http://browsermail.com/page.html?p=0000015Fu8vj7kXzcl2A > > > +NgOsglburzIh74g > > > > > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:38:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7063BEDC; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mCjpA+D/c7wHH6ceop48ll9mtDNw9x+AE8M9vyHjI7XrsjLawYWYpgOuP4WEmKv7; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10459948.1146670692208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:38:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403b94370ef6d86b071198129116428190350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 Resent-Message-ID: <-lcUQD.A.pnB.k5MWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:38:13 +0000 (UTC) ZOIKS!=20 Best wishes for speedy healing. ~Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Plishka >Sent: May 2, 2006 10:47 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE > >Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pink= y >in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and >smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played the >show without a hitch..sore as heck now... > >tons of fun... > >no.. >really... > >~peace~ > >Michael > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] >> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:39 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE >> >> >> tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >> > DANG, DANG, DANG, DAGNBBIT! >> >> I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, >> >> I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players >> Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... >> >> Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. >> >> It translates to: >> Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). >> >> In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included within >> the same words. >> >> Too bad I can't be in Boise >> >> If you couldn't play I'd put your cries into my loops... >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> >> [][] [][][] [][] [][][] >> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >> >> Stefan Tiedje >> Klanggestalter >> Electronic Composition >> & >> Improvisation >> >> /~~~~~\ >> \\\ /|() ()|\ >> ))))) )| | |( \\\ >> /// \ \_/)/ ))))) >> \___/ /// >> >> -------------------------x---- >> --_____-----------|----------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- >> -- _|_)----|-----()----------- >> ----------()------------x----- >> >> 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, >> 94320 Thiais, France >> Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:42:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884613BEE4; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001401c66ec8$7eef14b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8iKWl.A.n3B.69MWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as well, > Django's always > been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made Selmer clone > (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - everybody > knows you've > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > room practicing > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd you pay for it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 15:47:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25BB63BEEC; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060503114721.w151tego3r7k8888@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:47:21 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE References: <10459948.1146670692208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <10459948.1146670692208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 15:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Tim and others... The throbbing has stopped, and it's not looking too bad considering. ~peace~ Michael Quoting mungenast@earthlink.net: > ZOIKS! > Best wishes for speedy healing. > ~Tim > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Plishka >> Sent: May 2, 2006 10:47 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE >> >> Today as I was opening up the speaker stand at a gig I caught my left pi= nky >> in the bracket as it opened and sliced the skin through the cuticle and >> smashed my fingernail...washed it off stopped the bleeding and played th= e >> show without a hitch..sore as heck now... >> >> tons of fun... >> >> no.. >> really... >> >> ~peace~ >> >> Michael >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stefan Tiedje [mailto:Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de] >>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:39 AM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: OT -- A GUITARISTS SECOND WORST NIGHTMARE >>> >>> >>> tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: >>> > DANG, DANG, DANG, DAGNBBIT! >>> >>> I just want to chime in and wish you a fast recovery, >>> >>> I just came across a quote of one of my alltime favorite bass players >>> Hellmut Hattler which seems to fit perfectly... >>> >>> Musik ist der Rauch, der entsteht, wenn ein Musiker sich verbrennt. >>> >>> It translates to: >>> Music is the smoke which emerges when a musician burns (himself). >>> >>> In German both meanings (with and without brackets) are included within >>> the same words. >>> >>> Too bad I can't be in Boise >>> >>> If you couldn't play I'd put your cries into my loops... >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> -- >>> >>> [][] [][][] [][] [][][] >>> [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] >>> >>> Stefan Tiedje >>> Klanggestalter >>> Electronic Composition >>> & >>> Improvisation >>> >>> /~~~~~\ >>> \\\ /|() ()|\ >>> ))))) )| | |( \\\ >>> /// \ \_/)/ ))))) >>> \___/ /// >>> >>> -------------------------x---- >>> --_____-----------|----------- >>> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- >>> -- _|_)----|-----()----------- >>> ----------()------------x----- >>> >>> 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, >>> 94320 Thiais, France >>> Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 18:25:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 399593BEDD; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=uCfXdrYAj18oBiw1hgN9aV/QaxC1lEiDg6Mt5n+FDNkg1G86p3XuQ8TW1lNtSETWILmeQhNVuzgsxAeH5xp4sGw1mNRdXfj+5YQQb6LobXMat0lIsqDROY7E76sW24SA+onD8ZhCRnhlX68qiCVtQ7P/3XsaXMmQj4KcgY5Zz5c= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:25:09 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <5D7AsD.A.utD.OWPWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi, At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and speak at a conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid well). I had 20 minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the laptop directly into the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx box and then into the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was touring with a huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre amp, a digital reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack... Ouch, so heavy! Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 19:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79A53BED2; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 12:57:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same=20= way, laptop life-style rocks! Rick Walker? Are you listening....? :-) Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and speak at a=20= > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics=20 > fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer,=20= > grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid=20= > well). I had 20 minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the=20= > laptop directly into the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into=20= > the fx box and then into the laptop running Mobius. I remember three=20= > years ago I was touring with a huge Gator rack case holding an=20 > Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre amp, a digital reverb device and a=20 > Behringer mixer on top of the rack... Ouch, so heavy! Light Laptop=20 > style totally rocks ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05393BEDB; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:07:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 20:07:43.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CC27800:01C66EED] Resent-Message-ID: <2JJTOC.A.DJD.Q2QWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC) > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a > tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and Per - I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely there are plugins that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for the interface is it - I can only guess that you're trying to free up processor for other things. Isn't it painful that it always must be wired pre-loop or post-loop, or do you have some sort of programmable insert point on your audio interface? curious, Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:09:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2363BEE6; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:09:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 552, in=300911, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you running it as a standalone or inside a VST host? After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the festival, I am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. I'm almost there anyway. I only use the Looperlative and the VF1 in a two space rack, then my computer for all my tone mangling effects. In fact, I can already run 100% laptop now, by using my two notebooks, one dedicated to just Mobius. I'm just trying to get everything on one notebook....I'm almost convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to Jeff, but getting the stability I require with both Mobius and all my intense VST effects on the same machine, inside the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, is still dubious. It's not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming ThinkPad wiht the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a systematic issue between different software systems, yet MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in which you can write your own looping plugin to work seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. I was amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the program was. I don't know what is holding me back from making the leap...fear....holding tenaciously onto the security of hardware effects and looping, who knows.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same way, laptop life-style rocks! Rick Walker? Are you listening....? :-) Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and speak at a > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a tenor > sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid well). I had 20 > minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the laptop directly into > the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx box and then into > the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was touring with a > huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre amp, a digital > reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack... Ouch, so heavy! > Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:11:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C286E3BEF3; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c66eed$c973ecc0$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:11:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 552, in=300915, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0e3zEB.A.5cD.95QWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Per...make the leap to VST effects (ditching that hardware), and I'll make to total leap to a software looper. :) We'll meet in between. I'm sure you can get what you want out of the plethera of VST effects out there. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "jondrums" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >> conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics fireworX, >> FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, grabbed a >> tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and > > Per - > I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be your > only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely there are > plugins that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for the interface > is it - I can only guess that you're trying to free up processor for other > things. Isn't it painful that it always must be wired pre-loop or > post-loop, or do you have some sort of programmable insert point on your > audio interface? > > > curious, > Jon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:18:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED09A3BEF6; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:18:21 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c66eee$b9b7f370$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZu7T3Qy+ZOjLPDRRO10dw6TwsWrwAATmdA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:18:27 +0000 (UTC) As a matter of fact, the FireworX doesn't always need to be wired = pre-loop or post-loop. You can program the insert port of the FireworX to sit at = any place in your effects chain, so you could go Source -> FireworX In FireworX Out -> Mains FireworX Insert Send -> Computer -> FireworX Insert Return=20 Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jondrums [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 22:08 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >=20 > > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics =20 > > fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI=20 > hand mixer, =20 > > grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and >=20 > Per - > I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems=20 > to be your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why=20 > that is, surely there are plugins=20 > that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for the=20 > interface is it - I=20 > can only guess that you're trying to free up processor for=20 > other things.=20 > Isn't it painful that it always must be wired pre-loop or=20 > post-loop, or do you have some sort of programmable insert=20 > point on your audio interface? >=20 >=20 > curious, > Jon >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:19:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AF43BEFF; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:19:29 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZu7Y5HDurTAc6pS/OsgnwFkwEg3wAAN5+g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:19:34 +0000 (UTC) You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as = you don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another = Ninjam Wasabi for MIDI sync ;)=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 22:10 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >=20 > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you=20 > running it as a standalone or inside a VST host? >=20 > After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the=20 > festival, I am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. I'm=20 > almost there anyway. I only use the Looperlative and the VF1=20 > in a two space rack, then my computer for all my tone=20 > mangling effects. In fact, I can already run 100% laptop now,=20 > by using my two notebooks, one dedicated to just Mobius. I'm=20 > just trying to get everything on one notebook....I'm almost=20 > convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to=20 > Jeff, but getting the stability I require with both Mobius=20 > and all my intense VST effects on the same machine, inside=20 > the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, is still dubious. It's=20 > not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming ThinkPad wiht=20 > the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a=20 > systematic issue between different software systems, yet=20 > MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in=20 > which you can write your own looping plugin to work=20 > seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. I was=20 > amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the program was. >=20 > I don't know what is holding me back from making the=20 > leap...fear....holding tenaciously onto the security of=20 > hardware effects and looping, who knows.... >=20 > Kris >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) >=20 >=20 > Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same > way, laptop life-style rocks! >=20 > Rick Walker? Are you listening....? >=20 > :-) >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com >=20 >=20 > On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and=20 > speak at a=20 > > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc=20 > electronics fireworX,=20 > > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer,=20 > grabbed a tenor=20 > > sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid=20 > well). I had 20=20 > > minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the=20 > laptop directly into=20 > > the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx=20 > box and then into=20 > > the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was=20 > touring with a=20 > > huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre=20 > amp, a digital=20 > > reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack...=20 > Ouch, so heavy!=20 > > Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:25:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0963BEF8; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008601c66eef$b0ed2b10$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:25:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 551, in=292028, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9llAbB.A.cpE.wGRWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Hah hah...that's right! Speaking of which, I"ll get to responding to your Kybermusik summary here shortly... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as you don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another Ninjam Wasabi for MIDI sync ;) > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 22:10 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you > running it as a standalone or inside a VST host? > > After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the > festival, I am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. I'm > almost there anyway. I only use the Looperlative and the VF1 > in a two space rack, then my computer for all my tone > mangling effects. In fact, I can already run 100% laptop now, > by using my two notebooks, one dedicated to just Mobius. I'm > just trying to get everything on one notebook....I'm almost > convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to > Jeff, but getting the stability I require with both Mobius > and all my intense VST effects on the same machine, inside > the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, is still dubious. It's > not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming ThinkPad wiht > the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a > systematic issue between different software systems, yet > MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in > which you can write your own looping plugin to work > seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. I was > amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the program was. > > I don't know what is holding me back from making the > leap...fear....holding tenaciously onto the security of > hardware effects and looping, who knows.... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > > > Very nice! Not to mention the ease of expandability....I feel the same > way, laptop life-style rocks! > > Rick Walker? Are you listening....? > > :-) > > Jeff > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com . AngryVegan.com > > > On May 3, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > At noon my phone rang and I was asked to come and play and > speak at a > > conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc > electronics fireworX, > > FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand mixer, > grabbed a tenor > > sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went well (and paid > well). I had 20 > > minutes to set up at a conference venue, plugging the > laptop directly into > > the rooms built in PA system and the sax mic into the fx > box and then into > > the laptop running Mobius. I remember three years ago I was > touring with a > > huge Gator rack case holding an Echoplex, a Repeater, a pre > amp, a digital > > reverb device and a Behringer mixer on top of the rack... > Ouch, so heavy! > > Light Laptop style totally rocks ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:33:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6A43BEF8; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459137F.1000500@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:33:03 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as you > don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another Ninjam > Wasabi for MIDI sync ;) Would one of youze guys mind doing a technical write-up on this? I've done a few ninjams myself, but i'd love to hear how you rigged everything for recording and web-streaming. (By the way, those programs weren't all that cpu intensive, as far as I remember?) andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:36:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A26A3BED6; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:36:37 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you running it as > a standalone or inside a VST host? > > After watching Jeff this last weekend here in Boise at the festival, I > am even more motivated to go 100% laptop. ... > I'm almost convinced that I can do it with MAX/PSP after talking to Jeff, but > getting the stability I require with both Mobius and all my intense VST > effects on the same machine, inside the Chainer or Energy XT VST hosts, > is still dubious. It's not a processor issue, as I'm using a screaming > ThinkPad wiht the Intel duo processor, plenty of RAM, etc. It's a > systematic issue between different software systems, yet MAX/MSP seems > like a very stable and holistic system, in which you can write your own > looping plugin to work seamlessly inside MAX/MSP and with other VST > effects. I was amazed when Jeff indicated how processor efficient the > program was. I am also going in that direction, although I've been soft-looping for a while going to a maxMSP system is intimidating! Maybe a consolidated effort is required to make one end-all-be-all max looping rig? Join forces - Loopers Delight against the world! Personally I am so fascinated by the way max interacts with its surroundings - playing solos on a wacom board within a week of starting the max tutorials is very gratifying :-D a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 20:58:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108043BEF1; Wed, 3 May 2006 20:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c66ef4$642d16f0$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <001001c66eee$e1fc54c0$0101a8c0@succubus> <4459137F.1000500@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:58:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 549, in=288243, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:58:58 +0000 (UTC) I'll defer to Rainer on that...I believe he's working on something. After about 1 page of fine text, my eyes start to glaze over. We have successfully used the program several times, however, more recently with a live performance with me and Rick Walker here in the US, and Rainer at a club in Germany. It was rather fun. I could hear the chatter of the crowd in the club through Rainer's mic, and heard Rainer speak for the first time...albeit in German, so I had no clue what he was saying. :) The only problem for me right now, with Ninjam, is the latency....not the time delay between locations, but some latency that Ninjam is forcing on my system, which doesn not occur when I'm not using Ninjam. For example, I experience no latency on my sound card when I use Shoutcast. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Wetterberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: AW: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> You can even go 100% laptop with only one laptop - that is, as long as >> you >> don't need to run Ninjam client and server and oddcast and another Ninjam >> Wasabi for MIDI sync ;) > > Would one of youze guys mind doing a technical write-up on this? I've done > a few ninjams myself, but i'd love to hear how you rigged everything for > recording and web-streaming. (By the way, those programs weren't all that > cpu intensive, as far as I remember?) > > andreas > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A5173BEF5; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cyBvhhLh/DUacccUa5yAlqeeKtvzGSQiSgJKMFr+kbD7LWGow0iSfWCYbG5lE4DoJ5KyMsemdZh9xJjoTzi7YnHtaSpmA2LrO6EceN3oIwBht2olfwJJ3BKkna8BxDO8BgdvRz2DN/nj7DmftMiVUajSInmwKbDDuDCeLqB9EMM= In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14EBFB8F-6E71-4E3B-8F36-BA4AC65747A0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:03:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:03:24 +0000 (UTC) On 3 maj 2006, at 22.07, jondrums wrote: > Per - > I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be > your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely > there are plugins that can do all that right? or not? Not ;-) I managed to program some stuff I like in that box. So why not play with it? On 3 maj 2006, at 22.09, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Per, can you remind me how you are runing mobius? Are you running > it as a standalone or inside a VST host? Standalone. In the past I used it as VST but I changed my mind. The pitch transformation stuff I was using the host (Live) for can be done with scripting inside Mobius, so I don't need a host any more. On 3 maj 2006, at 22.18, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > As a matter of fact, the FireworX doesn't always need to be wired > pre-loop > or post-loop. You can program the insert port of the FireworX to > sit at any > place in your effects chain, so you could go That's what I thought too after reading the manual. But when setting up such an external send loop from the FireworX I found the latency way too big, when using analog ports. I also like to record the processed sound into the loops, as part of the instrument I play. I think that it's much more exciting than looping raw sound and then applying effects in a sort of "re-mix" attitude. I believe that the smaller set-up you are using the stronger grows the statement you make. And that's what I think music is about. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:06:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6F93BEF4; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.214.76] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <001401c66ec8$7eef14b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 21:06:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 21:06:21.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E157260:01C66EF5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey Warren, I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with a Gitane (Saga) 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small oval hole. Cost me around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast attack, quick decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta use those light silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent dunlop pick, but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like Wegens (at 15 bucks a pop! I've only got one!!). The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier than an electric 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. Warmer tone (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a real chunky selmeroid neck- highly recommended. Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole slew of GJ guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - plus he's got a guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right out the box (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious about this style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale (Deii'Arte, maybe?) from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded just as good as any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a Hofner!?! if memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. Hope this helps! david >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as well, > > Django's always > > been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made Selmer clone > > (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - everybody > > knows you've > > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > > room practicing > > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > > > > >Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd you pay for it, >how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:23:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BDD83BEEE; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:23:05 +0000 (UTC) At 1:07 PM -0700 5/3/06, jondrums wrote: >>conference one hour later. I packed the laptop, tc electronics >>fireworX, FCB1010 MIDI pedal and a minimal FaderFox MIDI hand >>mixer, grabbed a tenor sax and rushed for a taxi. The gig went >>well (and > >Per - >I noticed that you still use the fireworX - in fact it seems to be >your only outboard processing gear. I wondered why that is, surely >there are plugins that can do all that right? or not? It isn't for >the interface is it - I can only guess that you're trying to free up >processor for other things. Isn't it painful that it always must be >wired pre-loop or post-loop, or do you have some sort of >programmable insert point on your audio interface? Well, I'm not going to put words in Per's mouth, but the architecture of one of my rigs is pretty close to what he's doing here. In fact, owing in great part to Per's always helpful and informative posts, I've... erm, "borrowed" quite a few hints at making my own rig run better (BTW, thanks Per! :). Again, speaking of my own setup here, I'm using primarily a laptop to loop and process external input (Augustus and Live), but I also use a small rack of hardware effects to augment the setup. In regard to routing, Ableton Live is remarkably flexible in the ways it lets you convolute the signal path. Assuming you've extra I/O on your soundcard, you can place your external effect loop(s) anywhere in the signal path you like -- just like your software VST/AU effects. You can also save this routing within each individual Live Set, and bring a different one up at will. To address the "why" aspect, there are three reasons that I do it this way. First, I use my TC Powercore to take load off the CPU for frequently-used or mundane effects. This provides fantastic reverbs, chorus, and basic delay with a minimal hit to my processor. Second, there are really very few plug-ins for some effects (like reverb) which can match the quality of mid- to higher-end dedicated hardware without eating your processor alive (Altiverb, for instance). Also, there are some effects that I just don't like the sound of in the currently available plug-in software, such as many distortions. Plug-ins are great for bit/sample-reduction type effects and harsh audio mangling, for instance. But I haven't found anything plug-based that I like as well as a coupla stompboxes (aside: oh yeah, there's another reason "why" -- stompboxes!) for traditional creamy guitar-type distortion. I use a Keeley Blues Driver in combination with a Yamaha Magic Stomp (MS is also great for delays, and it's verb isn't half-bad either). Although, strangely enough, MDA's freebie Combo plug-in will do one of the best speaker emulations I've come across. I think a lot of things are just hit-or-miss at the moment. Third, and finally, there are currently some outboard effects that just haven't yet been emulated. Find me a plug-in that will let me put my Lexicon Vortex out to pasture, and I'll happily do so. ;) --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 21:45:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E1E3BEE4; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:47:24 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I often debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop and using the proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? One or two other guitars, to be sure. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > Hey Warren, > > I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with > a Gitane (Saga) > 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small > oval hole. Cost me > around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast > attack, quick > decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta > use those light > silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping > w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent > dunlop pick, > but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like > Wegens (at 15 bucks > a pop! I've only got one!!). > > The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier > than an electric > 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John > Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. > Warmer tone > (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a > real chunky > selmeroid neck- highly recommended. > > Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole > slew of GJ > guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - > plus he's got a > guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right > out the box > (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). > > I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I > wouldn't hesitate to > buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious > about this > style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale > (Deii'Arte, maybe?) > from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo > DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded > just as good as > any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a > Hofner!?! if > memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. > > > Hope this helps! > > david > > >From: Warren Sirota > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > > any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > > > > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as > well, Django's > > > always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made > > > Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - > > > everybody knows you've > > > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > > > room practicing > > > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > > > > > > > > >Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd > you pay for > >it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 22:13:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21D5E3BEE4; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.214.76] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:12:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 22:13:01.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE42DF80:01C66EFE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Warren, don't sell the vintage archtop, unless it's to feed your kids.. I've got a 'student grade' gibson plywood archtop w/a P90 that hums so loud I can only play it acoustically, BUT it is superb for all the olde-timey styles - as I'm sure yours is too.. these selmer clones are popping up everywhere now (you might recall the same thing happpening w/resophonic guitars a few years ago) so you'll probably be able to pick one up used for real cheap... BTW, what's your vintage archtop? Love those vibey old guitars.. >From: Warren Sirota >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:47:24 -0400 > >Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I often >debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop and using the >proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? One or two >other >guitars, to be sure. > >Best wishes, >Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > > > > Hey Warren, > > > > I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with > > a Gitane (Saga) > > 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small > > oval hole. Cost me > > around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast > > attack, quick > > decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta > > use those light > > silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping > > w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent > > dunlop pick, > > but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like > > Wegens (at 15 bucks > > a pop! I've only got one!!). > > > > The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier > > than an electric > > 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John > > Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. > > Warmer tone > > (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a > > real chunky > > selmeroid neck- highly recommended. > > > > Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole > > slew of GJ > > guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - > > plus he's got a > > guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right > > out the box > > (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). > > > > I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I > > wouldn't hesitate to > > buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious > > about this > > style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale > > (Deii'Arte, maybe?) > > from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo > > DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded > > just as good as > > any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a > > Hofner!?! if > > memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > david > > > > >From: Warren Sirota > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > > > any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > > > > > > > > I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as > > well, Django's > > > > always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made > > > > Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - > > > > everybody knows you've > > > > got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a > > > > room practicing > > > > for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd > > you pay for > > >it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 23:17:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6504F3BEDC; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <000c01c66efb$2a05aee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2f0c1046da890941d569705ab7b62700@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:17:30 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Warren; Just curious - what kind of vintage archtop are you playing? I'm an Epi player/ recovering collector :). - Paul On May 3, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I > often > debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop and using > the > proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? One or two > other > guitars, to be sure. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >> >> >> Hey Warren, >> >> I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started with >> a Gitane (Saga) >> 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small >> oval hole. Cost me >> around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast >> attack, quick >> decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta >> use those light >> silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping >> w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent >> dunlop pick, >> but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like >> Wegens (at 15 bucks >> a pop! I've only got one!!). >> >> The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier >> than an electric >> 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I traded up for a John >> Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a grand. >> Warmer tone >> (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a >> real chunky >> selmeroid neck- highly recommended. >> >> Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a whole >> slew of GJ >> guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - >> plus he's got a >> guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right >> out the box >> (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). >> >> I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I >> wouldn't hesitate to >> buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really serious >> about this >> style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale >> (Deii'Arte, maybe?) >> from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine guitar.. Angelo >> DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded >> just as good as >> any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a >> Hofner!?! if >> memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. >> >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> david >> >>> From: Warren Sirota >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) >>> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] >>> any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. >>>> >>>> I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as >> well, Django's >>>> always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made >>>> Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - >>>> everybody knows you've >>>> got to have a $2500 guitar to play Django) but if I sat in a >>>> room practicing >>>> for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd >> you pay for >>> it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 3 23:42:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2663BECF; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pdT5mMVTp69i5EMLkO6z+9D61Iwkp3M/Fo5kKMED8hLqMJUL3TFgMpWSA2HGpQLPmtovRVWXLmO5Ejb0p1h/3ZrLtfBT3JqtTPaFqqY9q2VyKwdNB7xUJj+Pw6wflE+O7eHdHpMLAImPpG45PwL+NyuOAIW/uEtwQlhESvjquJU= ; Message-ID: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-i2E-C.A.V-B.j_TWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, I'm at your Apple Podcast site and I'm loving your tunes. (as usual) I don't know how much of that is looped with Mobius, but I'm going to assume that "Mobius Flute Solo" is. As with the other tracks, I hear sequenced stuff as well as your live looping. When you play live, as in the gig today, do you include that aspect? If so, what hardware or software are you using? Is it coming from the same laptop that's running Mobius? How do it go? HOW DO IT GO?! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 00:42:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9557C3BEDD; Thu, 4 May 2006 00:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Bruno K Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:42:14 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. Try to figure how *disappointing* would be buying something (with overseas shipping costs) and finding out it's not right (if working...). The other question is: does anybody knows what happens if I mount a Simm over 4 Mb (8 or 16) in case I find some second hand pieces with no indication and I need to mount them for testing purpose? Could the simm be damaged? Would the EDP disappear? thanks again to you all for any significant clue Bruno > Hmmm.... > When I was looking to buy my EDP+ I checked out the availability of > the correct SIMMs on Ebay (I'm in the UK) and found loads, and > cheap enough that I could buy a few from different sellers to cover > myself. As it happens I didn't have to do this as mine came fully > loaded (thanks Kelly), but it didn't look like a big problem. > > Nik > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "bk" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:06 AM > Subject: EDP simm question > > > >> dear Ls, >> >> >> I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back- >> up. It's a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I >> bought from Steve Lawson. >> These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over >> Europe. >> >> It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software >> obviously there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems >> painful. >> >> At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. >> Finding the 4m memories seems very hard. On the manual it's >> written that every 30 pin simm with at last 120ns of speed would >> be fine. >> On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a >> different info: there its' said that "It can use any type. >> Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, >> any speed." >> Who should I believe to? >> >> And since I could probably find only used simms that have no >> indication of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find >> out if they're 1, 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, >> what happens if I mount on it a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a >> damage to the EDP? >> >> Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't >> find a proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. >> >> >> all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano >> >> Bruno Klein > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 00:49:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79BD63BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,85,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="197541989:sNHT34775884" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060503174838.011486c8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:49:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: EDP simm question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:49:43 +0000 (UTC) The original manual says 120ns or better. So 60 or 70 will be just fine. sean At 2006.05.03 05:42 PM, Bruno K wrote: >Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could >buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. > >Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or >even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: >especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. > >The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed >is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary >condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few >Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 00:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BAE93BEF3; Thu, 4 May 2006 00:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZMDF3BX1hjDLJmpxxJF+YNGsYbQy+RkO2gPWViO2y7Hgw0rLb7HCOg1YF/I1ro5tN5HkRKua5Y9CfP4g/JfQdDE8vI9QSvezOeqjbkD9VapKZBs7Wdo3igaiKJabZTSTtgJKvRbrgp377knaAcug9Fdxpzsjb7lepdkKK+OoriE= Message-ID: <8390c9ac0605031750qd5bca08ud88c0b9d6f60a04e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:50:28 +0800 From: Alwyn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP simm question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 00:50:29 +0000 (UTC) 60ns and 70ns ram modules are faster than 120ns, so that won't be an issue. Cheers, Alwyn On 5/4/06, Bruno K wrote: > Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could > buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. > > Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or > even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: > especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. > > The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed > is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary > condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few > Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. > > Try to figure how *disappointing* would be buying something (with > overseas shipping costs) and finding out it's not right (if working...). > > The other question is: does anybody knows what happens if I mount a > Simm over 4 Mb (8 or 16) in case I find some second hand pieces with > no indication and I need to mount them for testing purpose? Could the > simm be damaged? Would the EDP disappear? > > thanks again to you all for any significant clue > > Bruno > > > > > Hmmm.... > > When I was looking to buy my EDP+ I checked out the availability of > > the correct SIMMs on Ebay (I'm in the UK) and found loads, and > > cheap enough that I could buy a few from different sellers to cover > > myself. As it happens I didn't have to do this as mine came fully > > loaded (thanks Kelly), but it didn't look like a big problem. > > > > Nik > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "bk" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:06 AM > > Subject: EDP simm question > > > > > > > >> dear Ls, > >> > >> > >> I found a second hand EDP that I bought as second unit and back- > >> up. It's a white Gibson one, even older then the one that I > >> bought from Steve Lawson. > >> These things are really diifficult to find in Italy, as all over > >> Europe. > >> > >> It needs a full-upgrade: memory and software. For the software > >> obviously there's Kim and Aurisis. But the memory search seems > >> painful. > >> > >> At the moment it has 4 1Mb Simm for a total of 50 seconds. > >> Finding the 4m memories seems very hard. On the manual it's > >> written that every 30 pin simm with at last 120ns of speed would > >> be fine. > >> On the FAQ on the LD's site, on the other hand, there's a > >> different info: there its' said that "It can use any type. > >> Parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3chips, 8 chips, 9 chips, PC, Mac, > >> any speed." > >> Who should I believe to? > >> > >> And since I could probably find only used simms that have no > >> indication of the memory amount, and the only way for me to find > >> out if they're 1, 4, 8 or 16 Mb it's testing them on the EDP, > >> what happens if I mount on it a 8 or 16 Mb Simm? Could it cause a > >> damage to the EDP? > >> > >> Any experience about that? I digged in the archive but couldn't > >> find a proper answer... Tx in advance four your suggestions. > >> > >> > >> all the best from the not-so-much-looping Milano > >> > >> Bruno Klein > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 02:08:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A6023BEE8; Thu, 4 May 2006 02:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:08:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:08:13 +0000 (UTC) this is a great idea and has been discussed between andrew pask and=20 myself.......we just haven't sat down to do it yet...I'm going to get=20 together with rick walker later this summer and will keep you all=20 posted. BTW, andreas...aren't you on the max list as well?....how many lists do=20= you belong to? :-) (I just lurk there....those guys intimidate me...i'm no programmer) Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 3, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > to make one end-all-be-all max looping rig? Join forces - Loopers=20 > Delight against the world!= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 02:51:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8AAD3BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 02:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d901c66f25$aa0c8c60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Digitech EX-7 Expression pedal for sale Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:51:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <73mCE.A.tAH.5wWWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:51:37 +0000 (UTC) I just purchased a Digitech EX-7 expression pedal (they just came out) and realize that it does not do precisely what my old Digitech Red Whammy Pedal did so I'm going to put it on e-bay unless someone is interested in buying it here and re purchase my Digitech which died. The EX-7 is pretty amazing: in the footprint of a typical wah wah or volume pedal it incorporates: two different kinds of wah (Clyde McCoy and a Dunlop Crybaby) a volume pedal 7 distortion models and seven different cabinet simulations. the digitech Whammy pedal pitch shifter the digitech Space Station 'Synth Swell' the ADA flanger ( a very hip analogue flanger) a leslie speaker digital modelling replete with sweeping leslie speeds a Unichord Uni-Vibe chorus It's a hell of a lot of bang for the buck and e-bay is advertising several at a buy it now price of $199 (not including shipping). I'll sell mine for $190 including shipping. It's in perfect condition with all packaging and a power supply. It's still on warranty as I just bought it. I have a paypal account if you are interested. I don't think you can beat that price anywhere and I'd just as soon sell it to a family member as a stranger at E-Strange. email me off list at rickwalker(at sign)looppool(dot sign)info if you would like it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 03:03:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3870F3BEDE; Thu, 4 May 2006 03:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44596F08.6070804@hushmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:03:36 -0400 From: Jim Shepherd Reply-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP simm question References: <8390c9ac0605031750qd5bca08ud88c0b9d6f60a04e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8390c9ac0605031750qd5bca08ud88c0b9d6f60a04e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6q3jN.A.mhH.P8WWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 03:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Just to echo... er, repeat... um... add to... yeah... what everyone else is saying: I've got two Oberheim white face EDP's, purchased over 10 years ago, maxed out with 60ns 4mb simms, they work just fine. Alwyn wrote: > 60ns and 70ns ram modules are faster than 120ns, so that won't be an > issue. > > Cheers, > Alwyn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 04:38:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F8D13BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <36432.67.175.52.76.1146717520.squirrel@mail.bagend.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:38:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Chicago jam sesh w/ Seven Leaegue Boots tonight From: "Henry Heine" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 04:38:44 +0000 (UTC) I sent this earlier today, but it never made it to the list. Is it taboo to attach a jpg? I know, RTFFaq. --------------------------------------------- Hi y'all My band Seven League Boots will play a set and then host the evening's jams at the Muse Cafe, 817 N. Milwaukee Ave, Chicago. 8pm - midnight. There is no cover charge, and it's OK if you are under 21 years old! The Muse cafe is holding these "workshops" on the first Thursday of each month. We have hosted this event before, and it was really fun to meet so many like-minded musicians, right here in little old Chicago. A spontaneous live workshop of Junglebop, IDM, Freejazz, & Experimental styles with both electronic & acoustic instrumentation. Bring your instruments & devices. Guitar & bass amps, drum set, & keyboard provided. http://musecafechicago.com Seven League Boots is a band that plays electronica / drum'n'bass / live looping. We play songs and we improvise. Ed Shannon - guitar, animal sounds, drum machine Pete Machine - guitar and knob turning Jose Sandoval - keyboard Brian Abraham - hits things with sticks Henry Heine - low sounds and live loops http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/shows.html LISTEN TO 7 LEAGUE BOOTS HERE: http://www.sevenleagueboots.com/listen.html Please forward this to everyone you know who loves good music! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 04:56:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09923BEDD; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c66f37$29f45280$8ab95545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <026a01c66adb$98e16c10$c4c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <031901c66ba1$95138930$c4c9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Gear 4 sale... Digitech PMC-10 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:56:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) After about 5 years of not using any midi controller, I'm going to let go of one of my two PMC-10 floor controllers. It's seen plenty of use, but I've turned it on and tested the switches and they all seem just like I left them years back. It has awesome functionality, as discussed here on LD, and is extremely programmable. There's a free PC editor, Raymond, authored by list member Sean Echevarria, which can be downloaded from his site...and the depth and detail found there is very complete regarding the manual, bugs, hand programmer maintenance (and avoidance!), etc. http://creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/ As I scrolled through the patches I fondly remembered just why it's the king of controllers with it's patch toggle mode that jumps from one patch to the other... the ability to send numerous cc/note/pgm changes to multiple channels both on the footswitch downstroke (command chain a), and/or release (command chain b)... all switches can be programmed both as toggle or momentary modes as well as a 'performance' mode which scrolls though more than 10 patches in a search or direct mode in a method that's easier to see on unlit stages. It's a bitchin' box... Anway... I'm in a major money crunch and this is the beginning of another involuntary equipment purge... (I'll be posting a Roland SRV 3030 digital reverb in another post shortly... feel free to ask about it if interested!) I'm asking $250 total for the controller, programming puck, manual and power supply, shipping included. The unit sits atop a pedal board, with a riser behind the controller, with two EV-5 expression pedals velcroed on as well as the power supply, and you can shove the programming puck below the riser. There's also a Midi Solutions Quadra Thru box under the riser which splits the midi signal into four outputs, so you can send things every which way. I'd throw all that in for another $150... or feel free to make offers on separate components. Of course, this all comes at rent time, along with a little note from the IRS that I owe them a bit more money than I gave them. (We'll see about that, but in the meantime... 8-)) I can be reached at my cell 831.588.8162 or biffoz(at)arczip(dot)com Danke Schoen, Miko Biffle -- "Running scared from all the usual distractions..." C'mon over to MySpace! www.myspace.com/biffozz Now playing 'Rough' www.cdbaby.com/biffoz The Chain Tape Collective! www.ct-collective.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 05:31:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D3C3BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:35:53 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Steve Lawson , Loop List Subject: Re: Mark's rant... Message-ID: <9C00E5A73D272A38F43191B0@[192.168.1.149]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 05:31:13 +0000 (UTC) I just wanted to step in and say a few quick words. The roll-out of the LP1 didn't go as smooth as I hoped. There is nothing wrong that hasn't been corrected or can't be corrected within the next few months. I'm not hiding anything. Current users have been posting freely to the Looperlative message board which is open for anybody to see. If you would like to know all of what is happening with Looperlative, you are welcome to visit the web site and read any or all of it. I am actively working to correct all known problems and working to add new features. The LP1 is a very different product. It is not manufactured by a large corporation and it is my plan to continue to offer software updates for the device on a fairly regular basis. Rather than years between upgrades, I would like to have new software upgrades available on a monthly basis. I realize that what I am doing is not conventional. I didn't go into this project looking for a way to become rich. In fact, unless I suddenly can start producing and selling LP1s in the thousands, I can't even quit my day job. I have produced the LP1 as a labor of love. I use an LP1 personally and hope that it will also suit the needs of others. Thank you for taking the time to read this, Bob Amstadt (415) 992-LOOP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 06:57:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BF6B3BECF; Thu, 4 May 2006 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 7:51:36 +0000 From: "Fluke" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: "Fluke" Subject: Re: EDP simm question X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: UebiMiau 2.7.2 X-Original-IP: 84.12.200.106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MSMail-Priority: Medium Importance: Medium Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20060504065138.DF66633CAF7@smtp.nildram.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <7XPZuC.A.cpE.jXaWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) 60nS or 70nS is much quicker than 120nS and so will do fine. I found at least four sources of 4mb simms on Ebay.co.uk when I looked early this year. Nik --------- Original Message -------- From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: 04/05/06 00:42 Nik, thanks for answering, but the fact that you thought you could buy some Simm in the past (when?) doesn't seem a solution right now. Actually finding a Simm 30 pin 4Mb on Ebay (.it., .com or even .co.uk) or everywhere looks like a pretty big problem: especially if I don't know exactly what to buy. The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain speed is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a necessary condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. The very few Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web are all 60 or 70 ns. Try to figure how *disappointing* would be buying something (with overseas shipping costs) and finding out it's not right (if working...). The other question is: does anybody knows what happens if I mount a Simm over 4 Mb (8 or 16) in case I find some second hand pieces with no indication and I need to mount them for testing purpose? Could the simm be damaged? Would the EDP disappear? thanks again to you all for any significant clue Bruno ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 07:22:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3D603BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 07:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:21:56 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff! Jeff Kaiser wrote: > this is a great idea and has been discussed between andrew pask and > myself.......we just haven't sat down to do it yet...I'm going to get > together with rick walker later this summer and will keep you all posted. Cool. I guess as in all software the trickiest part is the specification - what do we want? "More!" - when do we want it? "Later this summer!" I would love to help out, perhaps draw up some suggestions, and I would certainly be interested in any development I could do - Macro recorder, anyone? :) If we do it right I know a few people who would be very interested, I think - hello Kid Beyond! :) > BTW, andreas...aren't you on the max list as well?....how many lists do > you belong to? :-) I'm "only" semi-active on three: LD, MusicBar on ampfea.org and the MaxList now - I think the activity I'm showing there reflects that I kind of *need* to interact with those guys in order to not get into bad habits this early in my max-programming life. Anyway, I try to help out whenever I can. > (I just lurk there....those guys intimidate me...i'm no programmer) Hehe, to those that don't know the max-list here is a little excerpt from a currently running discussion (Which I, fyi, didn't get at all...): Andreas ----------------------------------------- [+ 1.] is float addition, but [+ #1.] is int addition if 1st argument of abstraction is int. Too bad, isn't it? Would that be a reasonable feature request? ----------------------------------------- Two possible workarounds: loadbang -> '#1' -> [+ 0.](right inlet) loadbang -> [float #1] -> [+ 0.](right inlet) ----------------------------------------- make the argument to #1 "1." or "2." as long as it has the '.' it will become a float add. I just tested it, it works. ------------------------------------------ Thanks, I was wondering is there would be a way to avoid that. Or the more compact [loadmess #1] ... -------------------------------------------- etc... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 08:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA8D43BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 08:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cZncxEg+n2NWm5Qp7mj/yjBNW+T0KT+hk7WA0I9a7gENzD4AqyJY+qauVvYzX4E317lv0zP4Apuj0OK09+riHbFqRu5e7KGLY20b34Qnw9qPliENEnyrb+KDvrawhIsIukme2tK8+71ni907ZMeyNZos/p9y84ICBzf1NeWK7WA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:04:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:04:56 +0000 (UTC) On 4 maj 2006, at 01.42, mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm at your Apple Podcast site and I'm loving your > tunes. (as usual) I don't know how much of that is > looped with Mobius, but I'm going to assume that > "Mobius Flute Solo" is. Yes, that flute solo was just a "mobius first take". Mobius has this key command that lets you push "start recording" and then you go ahead and play something. When you're finished you press the key for "stop recording" and the key for "save recording". Then you will find your gig as a nice stereo 32 bit wav file inside the Mobius folder. With this piece I put that live looping file on a track in Ableton Live and then I added a drum loop to it. So the drum loop wasn't there when I played the flute and did the loop mangling. "Move Italia" is also a strict Mobius standalone looping performance (telecaster through fireworx --> looper laptop). "Journey" is strictly EDP (50w tube top + 1 12" closed cabinet miced into the EDP - it may sound "sequenced" because I was using a cello bow for playing the stratocaster at some part). "Saxing Out" is no looping at all, just some stuff programmed in Logic and a sax solo overdubbed. > As with the other tracks, I > hear sequenced stuff as well as your live looping. > When you play live, as in the gig today, do you > include that aspect? No. Plain "instrument ---> effects ---> looping". > If so, what hardware or software > are you using? Is it coming from the same laptop > that's running Mobius? How do it go? HOW DO IT GO?! I don't use additional sounds live. When producing recorded music I may refine a recorded looping performance by chopping up parts, moving them around, filtering, side- chaining dynamic effects or whatever. All that done in Logic. Recently I produced a recording of "live looping" without doing any looping at all. I set up a good mic and used a flute to play a big number of layers in a linear way, no looping - just recording. Of course I had imagined all layers and loops, so I knew how to play each layer without the need to hear them looped back "in orchesrtation". Then I made a big bowl of coffee and started chopping up the sound file in Logic and move my phrases into positions on parallel tracks to form the envisioned loop layers. Just the same old cheap way out that movie directors use when the do not shot everything in the order it will be presented in the movie, but rather in the order that is most convenient according to whether, geographic location etc. If you know the details you can simply fabricate them and glue them together later into the finished form. Also, things get less boring if you do them differently each time ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 08:11:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A513BED0; Thu, 4 May 2006 08:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ryan Raphael Subject: Beginner - what should I buy? Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 01:10:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <3Coz_D.A.jcB.bcbWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:11:08 +0000 (UTC) I'm a beginner looper... well, not even beginner, complete ignorant =20 novice! I guess I'm a songwriter, and I was interested on creating loops =20 live, not necessarily recording them ahead of time and then playing them live. Mainly, I want to know: -If I make one loop, can I create another one and have them play over =20= each other? -Is there a delay in the loops replay by a couple seconds? -Which is better, the Boomerang or Jamman. It seems the Boomerang has =20= more options for live looping than the Jamman. What I really care about it accuracy in its looping. I guess, but remember =96 I'm totally new to this. I haven't even =20 bought one yet. Thanks to anyone who can help. -rar414= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 09:04:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983273BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:04:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:04:51 +0000 (UTC) hey Andreas, Andrew and I had another interesting discussion tonight about this.=20 We've both been on and off this list over a period of time and note a=20 few things (generalized here) :-) 1) There is a new piece of looping hardware 2) Then come the feature requests..... 3) Then come the flame wars for what is missing.... 1) Then comes the next piece of hardware.... 2) Then come the feature requests..... 3) Then come the flame wars for what is missing.... ad infinitum....so far, anyway... I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of=20 Max/MSP. Maybe, rather than building a specifically featured looper (which would=20= have the same problems as the hardware...it would never have EVERY=20 feature everyone wanted), a specific toolkit/tutorial could be created=20= that would allow users to more easily focus on this aspect of Max: live=20= looping. I know there are experienced Max people on this list that will=20= say it is all in the tutorials/reference (which it is) but it is spread=20= out all over the place...unless there is something I have not seen,=20 which is totally possible. What is cool about this idea is that if the tutorial/toolkit could be=20 set up in modular sections, so people could build their own looper=20 easily and add what they needed, tutorials would teach how to modify it=20= to their specific needs...and the person could ignore that which they=20 didn't....Sample patches in the tutorials would get rid of the need to=20= do a lot of the "programming." for example, my looper was first made by=20= andrew, but then I got in it, saw how it worked, and modified the=20 interface to fit my needs...the modularity and modifiability would give=20= us all what we want: more! As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach=20 him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Well, maybe the same goes for a looper.... Anyway, this is all just in the idea stage right now. Regarding those odd posts on the max list....man, I just hit delete, I=20= have no idea what they are talking about....but I do grab some cool=20 ideas for my own patches off of that list..... best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 4, 2006, at 12:21 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Hi Jeff! > > Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> this is a great idea and has been discussed between andrew pask and=20= >> myself.......we just haven't sat down to do it yet...I'm going to get=20= >> together with rick walker later this summer and will keep you all=20 >> posted. > > Cool. I guess as in all software the trickiest part is the=20 > specification - what do we want? "More!" - when do we want it? "Later=20= > this summer!" I would love to help out, perhaps draw up some=20 > suggestions, and I would certainly be interested in any development I=20= > could do - Macro recorder, anyone? :) If we do it right I know a few=20= > people who would be very interested, I think - hello Kid Beyond! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 09:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85ACF3BEE7; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Bruno K Subject: Re: EDP simm question Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:26:55 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <2_FZmB.A.wjF.sjcWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Sorry guys, for some misterious reason, my brain looks much slower. I just didn't realised that we were talking about time so I just assumed that a major value results in a faster performance... thanks again to everybody for the patience and help bruno (256kb, 130ns) > 60ns and 70ns ram modules are faster than 120ns, so that won't be an > issue. > > Cheers, > Alwyn > >> The problem, again, is: does anybody here knows if a certain >> speed is a must? The manual asserts that 120ns of speed is a >> necessary condition. The LD's EDP faq says speed is not a problem. >> The very few Simm I saw on sale in the last two weeks on the web >> are all 60 or 70 ns. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 09:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C8CD3BEE4; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wlBgjn3Xgko/Iw/MVh0B+k5BFIrP3swqMiFATAfiBNiZQz9hkyAZkwc93JhzHtVFEIQnj82xEx5zV3RihfVCg5YydWVrqBwCPgGFHb7gpM7TqPvJ9JmyS8NmCO+nfgDWbFD8oigq//3CM7dDsRPIQGNYeVCwKBxgXMuElWtj6Tc= ; Message-ID: <20060504093210.62835.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 02:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: BassLab hiring in production To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2069380846-1146735130=:51539" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:32:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-2069380846-1146735130=:51539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey all... 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Hey all...
Just wanted to post a note that BassLab, a manufacturer of electric guitars and
basses, in Kassel, Germany - is looking for 2 reliable production workers. Many job openings also to come in a few months when we will be beginning a huge long-term project with a leading music tech company sponsoring a popular market line.
Good pay, will train - of course any previous luthier's or manufacturing experience
a plus. If you are looking for long term work or just income to fund your own summer
Euro-hedonism send email to Heiko Hopfinger at:
chefchen@basslab.de Serious inquiries only - and please no requests about
receiving free demo gear. Thanks!
Monica
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Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --0-2069380846-1146735130=:51539-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 10:25:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04DF3BEDF; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ec9VeIIGptCYJ5NFy4txt7dBGAG6B4HAhS0tilUXphVNI4WbsIsu7QOPiuSQwVWEXxqdqbsCX5fWfFzxunLUi1Y/R0TzxEaKeLVok5D6w9E+SBjC0ep4xO70TP3AQZ1b8Vpqlzl5JoDMc2inXTuJr83xbipWOkkNcqdJiSbN5R4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:25:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_SkmBC.A.gT.OadWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:25:18 +0000 (UTC) On 4 maj 2006, at 11.04, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > What is cool about this idea is that if the tutorial/toolkit could > be set up in modular sections, so people could build their own > looper easily and add what they needed, tutorials would teach how > to modify it to their specific needs...and the person could ignore > that which they didn't....Sample patches in the tutorials would get > rid of the need to do a lot of the "programming." for example, my > looper was first made by andrew, but then I got in it, saw how it > worked, and modified the interface to fit my needs...the modularity > and modifiability would give us all what we want: more! > > Anyway, this is all just in the idea stage right now. A great idea! I've been holding off from buying MAX for years now, but maybe I won't stand without it much longer... ;-) One issue always was the time needed to cook up a good live looping patch, but with a community interest it may be a quicker process. All the MAX users I've known in the past seemed more interested in Max than in music ;-) but maybe that's just my own false perception based on minimal Max experience? Max is also rather expensive; do you think a good price can be achieved if enough people join up for a "group buy"? > I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility > of Max/MSP. Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting with Mobius and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. Things that looks interesting with Max, besides its long tradition of being the main controlling interface for multi media, is the new ReWire compatibility. I also own and love the Pluggo suite, which is know for being developed in Max. I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on their plans for supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know about that? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 10:37:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ED013BEDD; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:36:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4459D942.40908@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:37:15 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 11:25:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA183BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:25:23 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > hey Andreas, > > Andrew and I had another interesting discussion tonight about this. > We've both been on and off this list over a period of time and note a >... > I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of > Max/MSP. > > Maybe, rather than building a specifically featured looper (which would > have the same problems as the hardware...it would never have EVERY > feature everyone wanted), a specific toolkit/tutorial could be created > that would allow users to more easily focus on this aspect of Max: live > looping. Yes, of course. I wouldn't be interested in some standalone-y app. anyway - I want to tinker. People have had good results doing objects that allow the user to use maxMSP as a higher-level modular; free object libraries such as www.jamoma.org are the way to go, I would say - to make one that's totally centered around looping/recording/retriggering would be a swell thing to do as a community. I know there are experienced Max people on this list that will > say it is all in the tutorials/reference (which it is) but it is spread > out all over the place...unless there is something I have not seen, > which is totally possible. I'm installing jamoma tonight, to see what the fuss is about, but yes, going to www.maxobjects.com and searching for "looping" isn't really what's cool. > Sample patches in the tutorials would get rid of the need to > do a lot of the "programming." for example, my looper was first made by > andrew, but then I got in it, saw how it worked, and modified the > interface to fit my needs... Exactly. Tuts. And lots of them, with examples. > > As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach > him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Yes indeed, and I'm a firm believer in that, but to be honest, a lot of the max-ochists take it too far - Heaven only knows how many loop-recorders have been designed from scratch over the years, reinventing the wheel is such a bore. If I had a solid platform to start with I wouldn't have to spend countless hours building basic functionality in there. sigh. A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 11:32:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9C43BED8; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:32:03 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1C8-FD.A.MlD.3YeWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: do you think a good price can > be achieved if enough people join up for a "group buy"? They already have a quantity discount system in place, so that shouldn't be a problem: MaxMSP: 1-4 copies: $495.00 each 5-14 copies: $297.00 each 15-24 copies: $257.40 each 25-49 copies: $198.00 each 50-99 copies: $128.70 each 100+ copies: $79.20 each Also, they have student pricing which is 250$, as far as I remember. >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of >> Max/MSP. > > Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting with Mobius > and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. Hehe, you better believe it ;) You could even load Mobius inside Max as well, and use max objects to control it - fractal loopin' for instance. Or serialist looping - now there's an oxymoron, hehe. > I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on their plans for > supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know about that? Apparently it's not that far off now. I'm shooting for a major release this summer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 12:24:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54A33BECF; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5171059.1146745451004.JavaMail.root@web20> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 5:24:10 -0700 From: paulrichard10@adelphia.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Digitech EX-7 Expression pedal for sale Cc: "loop.pool" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Yes. I purchased one recently for $199.99 from AMS and I really like the pedal. A lot of folks on Harmony-Central were bitchin' because one can't save ones patches - and that's true - but it still rocks (literally!). -- Paul Richards ---- "loop.pool" wrote: > I just purchased a Digitech EX-7 expression pedal > (they just came out) and realize that it does not do precisely what > my old Digitech Red Whammy Pedal did so I'm going to put it > on e-bay unless someone is interested in buying it here and re purchase my > Digitech which died. > > The EX-7 is pretty amazing: in the footprint of a typical wah wah or volume > pedal it incorporates: > > two different kinds of wah (Clyde McCoy and a Dunlop Crybaby) > a volume pedal > 7 distortion models and seven different cabinet simulations. > the digitech Whammy pedal pitch shifter > the digitech Space Station 'Synth Swell' > the ADA flanger ( a very hip analogue flanger) > a leslie speaker digital modelling replete with sweeping leslie speeds > a Unichord Uni-Vibe chorus > > It's a hell of a lot of bang for the buck and e-bay is advertising several > at a buy it now price of $199 (not including shipping). > > I'll sell mine for $190 including shipping. It's in perfect condition with > all packaging and a power supply. > > It's still on warranty as I just bought it. > I have a paypal account if you are interested. > > I don't think you can beat that price anywhere and I'd just as soon sell it > to a family member as a stranger > at E-Strange. > > email me off list at rickwalker(at sign)looppool(dot sign)info if you > would like it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 13:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB323BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:59:00 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: <2f0c1046da890941d569705ab7b62700@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ce01c66f82$e5680930$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for asking about the guitar. It's not "super"-vintage, but it's a 1978 tobacco sunburst Guild Artist Award that I picked up about 10 years ago - gorgeous guitar, carved top, etc. If I have my history right, it's a "pre-Fender Guild", for whatever that's worth. Someone told me they thought it might be a "New Hampshire Guild", which apparently is some special thing that I can't seem to track down, but I don't know. I didn't include a picture here because of the chronic bandwidth complaints, but there's one on the home page at www.warrensirota.com. That's me playing it when I still had (some) hair. It's a great guitar, but, when I'm totally unsentimental about it, I'm not convinced that you couldn't get a plywood-top guitar that sounds just as good amplified (acoustic is another story) for half the price. OTOH, plywood-top archtops seem to be rather overpriced themselves these days (I had a Gibson ES 175 that I got used in '76 or so for $600 and sold in about 1988 or 90 to a music store for about the same amt - I can't believe what those decent-but-hardly-stellar guitars are going for now. Mine only had one pickup and hardly any "bite", so I'm sure the 2-pickup models have a better sound and are worth more. Still.... over $3K new? Seems over the top to me). Every time I mentally try on the idea of selling the Guild, something inside rebels (especially since I'm doing regular jazz gigs once again). But, I could probably pick up a good used plywood-top archtop (like maybe a Gretsch Bryan Setzer?) *and* a Selmer clone, *and* a Tele and still have money left over from what this guitar would fetch, so I think about that possibility. And, actually, I would like to get a better soldbody MIDI controller than my current one (an excellent guitar made from Warmouth and other parts, but not a great controller). Of course, getting all these guitars doesn't do anything for the real issue, which is having the time to master the styles that they're made for and a context in which to use them! There's just so much money that I can keep in equipment stock at any time - sometimes tough choices must be made. (Although, vintage guitars are a better investment vehicle than many others, so maybe I should just try and persuade my wife that guitars are important retirement investments, and we should put as much money as we can into the best instruments possible. Yeah, that's the ticket...) Right now, since I'm gigging, I'll probably just put some gig money into giving the Guild a top-notch fret job (it's ready), and then maybe I'll start saving for the next instrument. Given where I'm going with looping right now, that instrument will probably be a solidbody MIDI controller to complement my nylon-string controller. I'm predisposed toward getting one of the Godins, since I really like my nylon-string, but I'm going to have to research Tele-style MIDI controllers too (don't think I've seen one yet, but I'm sure they must be available. Maybe even from Fender). Given the gig rate at present, it'll probably be close to the end of the year before I actually spring for one, unless an unforseen windfall occurs. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 7:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > Warren; > Just curious - what kind of vintage archtop are you playing? I'm an > Epi player/ recovering collector :). - Paul > On May 3, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > Thanks for the info, David. My purchases are constrained now, but I > > often > > debate in my head the merits of selling my vintage archtop > and using > > the > > proceeds for a non-vintage archtop plus... Well, who knows? > One or two > > other > > guitars, to be sure. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:06 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: RE: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > >> > >> > >> Hey Warren, > >> > >> I'm up in Canada, so I had to buy online, and I started > with a Gitane > >> (Saga) 250M, which is the long scale (27") "lead" guitar w/small > >> oval hole. Cost me > >> around $600 US from Elderly's.. VERY brash loud guitar. fast > >> attack, quick > >> decay.. definitely in the ballpark soundwise- but you gotta > >> use those light > >> silver coated 'manouche' style strings, and the guitar was shipping > >> w/generic bronzes. Guys like Bireli Lagrene can use a 25 cent > >> dunlop pick, > >> but I also NEED a fat (2-3mm!!) gypsyjazz pick.. I like > >> Wegens (at 15 bucks > >> a pop! I've only got one!!). > >> > >> The big problem w/the 250M was the neck profile - skinnier than an > >> electric 'shredder', I just couldn't get used to it, so I > traded up > >> for a John Jorgenson signature Gitane (DG300) which cost around a > >> grand. Warmer tone > >> (rosewood & spruce as opposed to maple) BUT BEST OF ALL, a > >> real chunky > >> selmeroid neck- highly recommended. > >> > >> Michael Horowitz @djangobooks.com has started selling a > whole slew of > >> GJ guitars, and this one's almost $200 cheaper than I paid - > >> plus he's got a > >> guy who'll do a setup, so the guitar'll be good to go right > >> out the box > >> (I've had to do some work on more than one Korean made guitar). > >> > >> I've bought some books, DVDs & CDs from Michael, and I wouldn't > >> hesitate to buy a guitar from him. If I ever decide to get really > >> serious about this > >> style, I'd probably get something a bit more upscale > >> (Deii'Arte, maybe?) > >> from Michael, but the DG300 is actually a pretty fine > guitar.. Angelo > >> DeBarre was playing one last time I saw him, and it sounded > >> just as good as > >> any Dupont, Favino, etc.. and Joscho himself was playing a > >> Hofner!?! if > >> memory serves, but cats like him can make anything sound good.. > >> > >> > >> Hope this helps! > >> > >> david > >> > >>> From: Warren Sirota > >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Subject: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) > >>> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:44:42 -0400 > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] > >>> any of them could pull off 1 1/10 of what this guy does. > >>>> > >>>> I'm a long-time looper myself, but as a guitarist as > >> well, Django's > >>>> always been an inspiration to me. I recently got a Chinese-made > >>>> Selmer clone (something else the snobs turn their noses up at - > >>>> everybody knows you've got to have a $2500 guitar to > play Django) > >>>> but if I sat in a room practicing > >>>> for 100 years, I'd still be unable to play like Joscho.. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Me neither... But what kind of guitar did you get, what'd > >> you pay for > >>> it, how do you like it? (if you don't mind...) > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:11:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22FBB3BEDB; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:09:40 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Digitech EX-7 Expression pedal for sale X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M" Message-Id: <20060504.071005.26277.877347@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1089137189 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5EgQVTaiQLV+LzLUcAgnolh4gH70UmrJyg== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.146|webmail06.nyc.untd.com|webmail06.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Hi Paul, I too recently purchased one of these and like it. Works great with = the roland dd-20 and a loop station! = Weg ----__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

Hi Paul,

   I too recently purchased one of these and like it. = Works great with the roland dd-20 and a loop station!

 

Weg

----__JWM__J306e.03beS.5fb9M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:11:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9283BEE4; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=wVkdAeQub20XpWcDk7W0tne8jN8DrD8JfN/DSQZvODgTRPVddMhoaAFK6IgYs9rDTqE93q8CJzs00dIo/7ba53bV53aWCKo8ckTI4zrZGQ/vBEUffODy0Wp+kk2UCBCbzobMsUOAMQmgvbeblyk6QI6EvHIFN2rE5klopg8HqVs= ; Message-ID: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:11:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:11:36 +0000 (UTC) From: "Per": > (...). Also, things get less boring if you do them differently each time > ;-) Yes, that's something I'm after for my listening experience. I'm trying some generative experiments now, it's so boring to have to listen to the same record over and over. Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) fragments of audio in random order? I tried to burn a lot of wav file on a CD and use the random function of my CD player but: 1- the delay between 2 tracks is huge (even if there is a lot of silence in some minimalist tracks) 2- the noise made by the player when changing tracks is disturbing. One solution is 2 use several players but then the piece would better be in the ambient area, otherwise I would find it too experimental ;-) And anyway ,there would still be problem number 2. I didn't tried a mp3 player yet but I guess problem N°1 is still there. Software ways? Except Koan which seems quite Creative labs oriented (soundfonts), are there other alternatives? Should we ask manufacturers for a "loop" player: a kind of LP-1 with random functions and sync between tracks so everytime you hear a track it's slightly different? We just have to "prepare" some alternative layers and the player will remix/re-arrange on the fly. Just dreaming, Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Rendez-vous sur http://fr.yahoo.com/set From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F93A3BED8; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:24:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:24:10 +0000 (UTC) At 4:11 PM +0200 5/4/06, Ben wrote: > >Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) >fragments of audio in random order? Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI notes in a random order? That still depends on a computer to stochastically generate the MIDI notes, but you could probably just dump some long sequences to a hardware sequencer, then play/manipulate them back at random. Just a thought... --m. -- _______ "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:40:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498A93BEE1; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445A125B.8020501@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:40:27 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: > At 4:11 PM +0200 5/4/06, Ben wrote: >> >> Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) >> fragments of audio in random order? > > Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each > key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI > notes in a random order? > > That still depends on a computer to stochastically generate the MIDI > notes, but you could probably just dump some long sequences to a > hardware sequencer, then play/manipulate them back at random. > > Just a thought... > > --m. The software media-player Foobar2000 does quite seamless shuffle playback. Free. Easy. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 14:42:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 969333BEEA; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01ce01c66f82$e5680930$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <01ce01c66f82$e5680930$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2d216a77ca9ad15668c44c0a32d30348@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:42:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Warren; That is one great guitar. I love Guilds - they have an Epiphone play/ feel. Guild started in NY ('52/'53) and the workforce included many of Epiphones finest craftsman who didn't want to relocate when Epiphone moved operations to Phila.(?). The body shapes/ designs and neck profile matches those of the Epi's from the same period. The guitar you have is their top of the line archtop and is from their New Hampshire production period - small operation = more care/ hands on construction. Vintage "market price" on your guitar is around $5000, probably more. I would advise not selling it unless, of course, you just don't like it - it would be one of those "kick yourself in the butt" memories you'd look back on. You are correct on the plywood guitar observation. (I'd highly recommend the Epiphone Elitist series Broadway if you're looking for a professional quality gigging electric archtop that is every bit comparable to a Gibson L5 but for 1/4 the price - I AB'd them.) If interested: I've got a couple pics of some of my guitars at << http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/PhotoAlbum12.html >> The '30's Epiphone Emperor (gibson/epi reissue - 1992) is my main gigging guitar for solo/ small ensemble gigs. (I did put an Armstrong floating pickup on the pickguard since the photo was taken.) Thanks for chatting. Take care. - Paul On May 4, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Thanks for asking about the guitar. > > It's not "super"-vintage, but it's a 1978 tobacco sunburst Guild Artist > Award that I picked up about 10 years ago - gorgeous guitar, carved > top, > etc. If I have my history right, it's a "pre-Fender Guild", for > whatever > that's worth. Someone told me they thought it might be a "New Hampshire > Guild", which apparently is some special thing that I can't seem to > track > down, but I don't know. I didn't include a picture here because of the > chronic bandwidth complaints, but there's one on the home page at > www.warrensirota.com. That's me playing it when I still had (some) > hair. > > > It's a great guitar, but, when I'm totally unsentimental about it, I'm > not > convinced that you couldn't get a plywood-top guitar that sounds just > as > good amplified (acoustic is another story) for half the price. OTOH, > plywood-top archtops seem to be rather overpriced themselves these > days (I > had a Gibson ES 175 that I got used in '76 or so for $600 and sold in > about > 1988 or 90 to a music store for about the same amt - I can't believe > what > those decent-but-hardly-stellar guitars are going for now. Mine only > had one > pickup and hardly any "bite", so I'm sure the 2-pickup models have a > better > sound and are worth more. Still.... over $3K new? Seems over the top > to me). > > > Every time I mentally try on the idea of selling the Guild, something > inside > rebels (especially since I'm doing regular jazz gigs once again). But, > I > could probably pick up a good used plywood-top archtop (like maybe a > Gretsch > Bryan Setzer?) *and* a Selmer clone, *and* a Tele and still have money > left > over from what this guitar would fetch, so I think about that > possibility. > And, actually, I would like to get a better soldbody MIDI controller > than my > current one (an excellent guitar made from Warmouth and other parts, > but not > a great controller). > > Of course, getting all these guitars doesn't do anything for the real > issue, > which is having the time to master the styles that they're made for > and a > context in which to use them! > > There's just so much money that I can keep in equipment stock at any > time - > sometimes tough choices must be made. (Although, vintage guitars are a > better investment vehicle than many others, so maybe I should just try > and > persuade my wife that guitars are important retirement investments, > and we > should put as much money as we can into the best instruments possible. > Yeah, > that's the ticket...) > > Right now, since I'm gigging, I'll probably just put some gig money > into > giving the Guild a top-notch fret job (it's ready), and then maybe I'll > start saving for the next instrument. Given where I'm going with > looping > right now, that instrument will probably be a solidbody MIDI > controller to > complement my nylon-string controller. I'm predisposed toward getting > one of > the Godins, since I really like my nylon-string, but I'm going to have > to > research Tele-style MIDI controllers too (don't think I've seen one > yet, but > I'm sure they must be available. Maybe even from Fender). Given the > gig rate > at present, it'll probably be close to the end of the year before I > actually > spring for one, unless an unforseen windfall occurs. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:01:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74BC73BEDB; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xq9Dqo0Q2IbECOOHhj3rwnDgpiZm/sETPdPLCjhoIaT12J1/9uGE8/VJ35gXTS5pD+aIAs6btTw9cLffJ2Gz4qOJF+HM1Ei8mPbwKDoD0oV9+GGFXIq4pKH1pj8Hfv7TuPN2M/WNEccq88LEyY3iIur9xnqt9a+Ymycl0OXgtvA= In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:00:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:01:21 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Per": >> (...). Also, things get less boring if you do them differently >> each time ;-) > On 4 maj 2006, at 16.11, Ben wrote: > Yes, that's something I'm after for my listening experience. > I'm trying some generative experiments now, it's so boring to have > to listen to the same record over and over. > Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) > fragments of audio in random order? Ableton Live. You can set the probability for two actions to occur. Actions are which audio fragment to play next, and "play random fragment" is one of the options. If you want to check it out with Live this function is to be found inside the (clip) Launch Box and it's called "Follow Actions". Nord Lead G2 has some useful synth/filter random functionality for generative music. > I tried to burn a lot of wav file on a CD and use the random > function of my CD player but: > 1- the delay between 2 tracks is huge (even if there is a lot of > silence in some minimalist tracks) > 2- the noise made by the player when changing tracks is disturbing. Once I saw/heard an installation similar to that when visiting an Audio Art Exhibition. Someone had put seven CD players in a room with CD's of different sinus tones; each CD track = a new note pitch. Then all seven machines were set to random play. Sounded very cool. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8676A3BEE7; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: <2d216a77ca9ad15668c44c0a32d30348@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01fd01c66f8c$15a83e90$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Wow, I feel like one of those people on "Antiques Roadshow". Cool! Thanks for the info, Paul. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was > RE: Joscho Stephan) > > > Warren; > That is one great guitar. I love Guilds - they have an > Epiphone play/ > feel. Guild started in NY ('52/'53) and the workforce > included many of > Epiphones finest craftsman who didn't want to relocate when Epiphone > moved operations to Phila.(?). The body shapes/ designs and neck > profile matches those of the Epi's from the same period. The guitar > you have is their top of the line archtop and is from their New > Hampshire production period - small operation = more care/ hands on > construction. Vintage "market price" on your guitar is around $5000, > probably more. I would advise not selling it unless, of course, you > just don't like it - it would be one of those "kick yourself in the > butt" memories you'd look back on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:02:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17963BEF0; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) In-reply-to: <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01fe01c66f8c$160ec890$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:02:45 +0000 (UTC) I hesitate to promote my vaporware, but, with my apologies for that... I've got this multitrack sw looper written in Max/MSP. Believe me, even though the very basics of recording into a buffer are easy, turning this into a functional, bulletproof application is a big job (unless I'm *lots* lamer as a programmer than I believe to be true). But one idea I've been toying with for the release strategy for this product was to open it up for extension by MAX/MSP programmers. Most of the functionality is controlled by MAX messages which could easily be sent/received in auxiliary modules. I'm sure that if I officially "open it up" I will have to add more control points and adapt some code, but MAX is a pretty ideal environment for this kind of extensibility. I could set up a forum on my Web site to handle development issues. Am I correct to infer from this discussion is that there might be interest in such a thing? Would there be interest in participating in developing addins for a product that was a commercial product (I have way too much time invested in this project to make the core looper free, but it will be quite affordable)? You would own your own addins, and could do with them what you please (the web site would host links to free and commercial addins, and who knows what other creative combinations could be made). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig > today :-) > > > Per Boysen wrote: > do you think a good price can > > be achieved if enough people join up for a "group buy"? > > They already have a quantity discount system in place, so > that shouldn't > be a problem: > MaxMSP: > 1-4 copies: $495.00 each > 5-14 copies: $297.00 each > 15-24 copies: $257.40 each > 25-49 copies: $198.00 each > 50-99 copies: $128.70 each > 100+ copies: $79.20 each > > Also, they have student pricing which is 250$, as far as I remember. > > >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the > flexibility of > >> Max/MSP. > > > > Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting > with Mobius > > and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. > Hehe, you better believe it ;) You could even load Mobius > inside Max as > well, and use max objects to control it - fractal loopin' for > instance. > Or serialist looping - now there's an oxymoron, hehe. > > > I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on > their plans > > for > > supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know > about that? > > Apparently it's not that far off now. I'm shooting for a > major release > this summer. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B32F3BEFA; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=K6JNdZpAE7tm9xfsy+ilAV8JblC7D2BOzcXXgKbahdjRx28vfbmxYv5WH5/lFW0nGF1BG78V6+JnwPHOG0aCUZfisfFQNgIbX9MDumTM6IvU/MT0Ift6rZADVNH/+wUmfW8/VvAPAKD8BfYkN4IfOCmOwwaOKQfD4PaG1ophlzQ= In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ABCB4FF-723D-4BEE-9FEA-8B8D80C38DE1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:03:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:24 +0000 (UTC) On 4 maj 2006, at 16.11, Ben wrote: > Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) > fragments of audio in random order? oopsss... I forgot to tell that Logic can also do this. IN the MIDI domain though, but if you drive a sampler with those randomly generated notes I guess you will be quite close to your goal. Look for an environment object named "Transformer" in Logic and set it to "random note numbers". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:03:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF3193BF05; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:09:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - babylon.servershost.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Hello ryan, I have only worked with a lexicon jamman aswell as an electrix repeater. Both units are out of sale, the repeater stores up to 24 minutes of loops on a special 128 mb compact flash card whereas the jamman doesn't store anything. As long as you can count the jamman is the better device for live looping in my experience, it works much faster than the repeater, though uit has a severe shortage on ram/looping time: with maximum ram you got only 32 seconds of loop time to be split into up to 8 loops. I hop ethat helps. I am using the jamman still, although out of production since like 12 years. It is a very fast and well sounding (though 12 bit) tool. The repeater, especially on higher PA volume settings shows a harsher sound, bad converters I guess, although it samples in 16bit and offers all kinds of stuff like pitch changing and timestretching. I guess you'd get th emost advice from the "tools of the trade" section on loopers-deligth.com then Hope that helps jrp --- best greets from berlin! Jayrope Next live: - 11.5. Globusbar/Zentrale Randlage, Berlin http://www.kliklak.net random love songs: http://myspace.com/jrpsolo all the trash: http://myspace.com/jayrope ... my answer might (not) be on time due to (persistent) rare presence of a(n) (im)permanent internet connection(breakup). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:15:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18DC83BEF1; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MgjB0oy0UT8wRQMja4XiFjgcqQHIgjDdTlpNWA+a1AHtSet8nBSUsLacnHug4vrytyXmtPhvIoy7GHiyvCO4vVWg04JpRmszJNCalnH6K4WlGOfJmrTIBUEhw8nwEf1qPhe8zU077UhiqU+IgvHsVOFzLVdx7+6e/EAkC9y7rIA= Message-ID: <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:15:52 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:15:52 +0000 (UTC) for a cheap alternative there is always the Boss RC-20XL or the Digitech jamman...the digitech jamman has the ability to take your loops and store them on the computer...i'd say for a beginner, that'd be as good a looper as anything...I'd give that one a try... Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:35:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9432E3BEE6; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 11:37:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Guild guitar (was Re: Further OT: Selmer Clones (was RE: Joscho Stephan) In-reply-to: <2d216a77ca9ad15668c44c0a32d30348@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <022101c66f90$b21963e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0lsxHB.A.gb.V9hWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Nice graphics at your site, btw. And that Elitist Broadway does indeed look like a fine guitar for the money. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > them.) If interested: I've got a couple pics of some of my > guitars at << > http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/PhotoAlbum12.html >> > The '30's Epiphone Emperor (gibson/epi reissue - 1992) is my main > gigging guitar for solo/ small ensemble gigs. (I did put an > Armstrong From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 15:42:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 139EF3BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=w5QasSqFOqb29CcLs9z+yZ6V4ASxsjKZfD5qYdIcST7QmIB0xrR4fUHzUJ+guJ43le5/ol3uFgL87mPIy87Q1wf4bGhT7BtJ9HLONoVIvsD5nTNmDLUSYYtPWDTlLQgKDRvwe/IiwuEZe7vg1noIwBjr056KZePeXQA9NwuscZg= ; Message-ID: <030401c66f91$667c96e0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:42:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes, a sampler or Ableton live or ... is a solution FOR me. I was perhaps not clear in my intention (my english is so-so) but the idea is also to distribute the music in this generative form. Same idea as Eno with his "generative music 1" album. You can't ask every listener to have the same sampler or SW that you've got. It was the reason why general midi was invented, to give a common listening experience. Here I would like to go a step further so that the sounds are the same, not depending of the hardware (crappy soundcard vs $$$ synth). I guess with the technology we have, DVD, 5.1 and so on it should be possible to give a new dimension to the listening. CD is aging. I think a lot of videogames use this concept. So the idea is to create the "pieces" of the puzzle and a player recompose the song on the fly. Single notes or small sequences. But perhaps am I just the only one that feel bored after having listened 5x to the sames record? (I just had an idea: a mp3 player connected to a delay pedal: this should fill the "gaps" between tracks.) Thanks to all of you for you answers. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > At 4:11 PM +0200 5/4/06, Ben wrote: >> >>Does anyone know if there are (hardware) ways to play (small) fragments of >>audio in random order? > > Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each > key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI > notes in a random order? > > That still depends on a computer to stochastically generate the MIDI > notes, but you could probably just dump some long sequences to a hardware > sequencer, then play/manipulate them back at random. > > Just a thought... > > --m. > -- > _______ > "I want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back..." > ___________________________________________________________________________ Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Rendez-vous sur http://fr.yahoo.com/set From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:47:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C5A43BEDF; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:48:10 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Douglas Baldwin Message-id: <029f01c66f9a$b2bcc440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-MKzQC.A.yDD.pAjWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to listen to other musicians. "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. Click on or paste into your web window: www.thecoyote.org Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. Best wishes to all, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:55:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C80C3BEF1; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002d01c66f9b$7e938950$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:54:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:08 +0000 (UTC) > Um, get a hardware sampler and record a different small fragment on each > key, then use one of the generative MIDI programs out there to play MIDI > notes in a random order? Has anybody here played with FMusic - fractal/cellular automata generator. It's fun and while not random, it does generate some interesting sequences. http://www.fractal-vibes.com/fm/ Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5638D3BEFB; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:55:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:55:09 +0000 (UTC) On May 4, 2006, at 3:25 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > One issue always was the time needed to cook up a good live looping > patch, but with a community interest it may be a quicker process. yup. > All the MAX users I've known in the past seemed more interested in Max > than in music ;-) but maybe that's just my own false perception based > on minimal Max experience? I think there is probably a division of people, but yeah, there are certainly people like that....having played with so many "laptop" players that don't know how to make music breath...laptopitis: from the time they get on stage they never look up and never stop making sound...drives me nuts....what good is a new "sound" if it is not used in a creative way....compositionally, texturally, dynamically.... > I couldn't find any statement at Cycling74's web page on their plans > for supporting Universal Binary code (Intel Macs). Anyone know about > that? Cycling74 seems to be a very responsive company, actually, pretty amazing at responding to needs of users, so should be soon, from the chatter I hear on the max list..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 16:59:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5741C3BEF5; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 09:59:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:59:41 +0000 (UTC) > Heaven only knows how many loop-recorders have been designed from > scratch over the years, reinventing the wheel is such a bore. If I had > a solid platform to start with I wouldn't have to spend countless > hours building basic functionality in there. sigh. It is, isn't it? (A bore!) Somebody always saying, "look at helpfile for buffer~," "look at groove~"......it gets OLD fast.....that is why this needs to, and will, be done...... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:14:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB753BECC; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lFJZO5mPmL7B3DFcQaxcfQMVmFmzW4YwVMFDI36n2q12mQy2sjUl4X2b5Eq1OtL69G0WsBjNGlb92kYTrZo+JZ7hPgT1nUItnWX8CCuVNVrFF2HiePnIwjCTB+FqUqxGF4R6ZeuEkv5RruMSaTEZzYLtFS0HPokad18KADJjXUQ= ; Message-ID: <20060504181433.21401.qmail@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029f01c66f9a$b2bcc440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Hey Douglas, Congrats again! I actually ordered your book from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. Got a notice a day or two ago that it had shipped, so I'm expecting it to show up soon. Should be fun, perhaps someday I'll finish this house addition and actually have time to LOOK at the book! Greg --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- > > I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." > Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover > book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and > indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands > of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative > to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By > Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing > insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to > listen to other musicians. > > "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can > order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order > the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. > Click on or paste into your web window: > www.thecoyote.org > Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few > boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. > > Best wishes to all, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:21:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EEB13BED6; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <4459E4A3.2090904@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <45ba977cc76143a2ada4b9b5a2a65711@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Ventura New Music Festival Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:21:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:21:05 +0000 (UTC) This Saturday, May 6.....12pm-10pm.... Featuring some people from this list and more.......Jeff Kaiser and=20 Andrew Pask (playing without their loopers in their sick Choir Boys=20 "rock" band" with Brad Dutz, Jim Connolly, Tom McNalley), Ted Killian,=20= Steuart Liebig and the Mentones, Wayne Peet Trio (including Nels=20 Cline)...and many more.... A nice article in a local paper about it http://tinyurl.com/nn3xp For the full schedule and list of participants: http://www.vnmf.com/ Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:26:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AB6B3BEDF; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1146767188.445a4754c41fd@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:26:28 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: <2AnJYD.A.7j.VdkWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Do musicians want to be programmers? > As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach > him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." or "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he spends all his time tying flies in the basement and neglecting his personal hygeine", Jimmy James, News Radio hehe peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 18:34:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75E3A3BEE2; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YhnPvoP90qAQN54772H+Kukfc0zXxoelOCTI+cAFFW0IOcXomQinTmc4SnSZBYhsxH1Qyp0ISWoFyPoxtp3+Wm7vFMtpC3AJTGns6nPY9oI1m+HEmcKEl+Z/aZB/nyvLqBE7HvP0v1hpvCOuAhRme2DmuJsE7HYcil5YwVVkGGY= Message-ID: <2665e0c50605041134m133e874wa527747fd720f3c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:34:13 -0500 From: "Ben M" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? In-Reply-To: <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250" References: <0AF1FD8B-C7C8-45E8-9A9F-944573AF4C25@comcast.net> <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:34:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I love my Repeater more than I think is entirely necessary or legal! I used a boomerang (nightmare for me!) before that and also the Boss RC-20. I guess yours is always kind of a hard question to answer, because the type of looper(s) you should buy really depends on what kind of performing you'r= e wanting to do, and that's something you can never really know until you get one and start fooling around with it. The good news is that the trade on e-bay for looping boxes is pretty high, so the worst case scenario is that you buy one, you hate it, sell it for a little less than what you bought it for, and move on :-) In the three that I've used, I've found that the Repeater has the "truest" (I don't know what word to use here hahaha) sound. There are some hum/clicking issues with the Repeater from time to time, and it is a tempermental box to be sure. But, unlike the 'Rang and the Boss RC-20, there is less of a tendency to compress or distort the quality of tracks th= e more you overdub (layer new tracks on top of existing tracks). Then again, for some people (like violinist Andrew Bird), the particular sound of the RC-20 really fits right in with his whole musical aesthetic. If you are a beginner, then I don't think there's a need to go plunk $1500 on a Looperlative. Find something to get your feet wet, see what kind of sounds come out of you, and go from there. I hope this poorly worded e-mail and my dead brain's inability to find the right jargon have been helpful! Good luck! Best wishes, Ben ------=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I love my Repeater more than I think is entirely necessary or legal!
 
I used a boomerang (nightmare for me!) before that and also the Boss R= C-20.  I guess yours is always kind of a hard question to answer, beca= use the type of looper(s) you should buy really depends on what kind of per= forming you're wanting to do, and that's something you can never really kno= w until you get one and start fooling around with it. =20
 
The good news is that the trade on e-bay for looping boxes is pretty h= igh, so the worst case scenario is that you buy one, you hate it, sell it f= or a little less than what you bought it for, and move on :-)
 
In the three that I've used, I've found that the Repeater has the &quo= t;truest" (I don't know what word to use here hahaha) sound.  The= re are some hum/clicking issues with the Repeater from time to time, and it= is a tempermental box to be sure.  But, unlike the 'Rang and the Boss= RC-20, there is less of a tendency to compress or distort the qu= ality of tracks the more you overdub (layer new tracks on top of = existing tracks).  Then again, for some people (like violinist Andrew = Bird), the particular sound of the RC-20 really fits right in with his whol= e musical aesthetic.
 
If you are a beginner, then I don't think there's a need to go plunk $= 1500 on a Looperlative.  Find something to get your feet wet, see what= kind of sounds come out of you, and go from there.
 
I hope this poorly worded e-mail and my dead brain's inability to find= the right jargon have been helpful!  Good luck! 
 
Best wishes,
Ben
------=_Part_5807_10725241.1146767653250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 19:35:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790BE3BEDC; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XAqSFHaNqdLWvGZpQKnV+TftiziPRgQOqqQP7+dFIRcN8mmwivS12ADQxiN7m4yJS3L/sV7sVblQD2jLRb7+TY+4SXvTsYMPLQSFpVJITJQgZvzkilDK7qmtkKRB39yMfnOva64sZHwNR8uXGxsrDFU4VP13/oxxrRcrnuVk+is= ; Message-ID: <20060504193513.40275.qmail@web37302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029f01c66f9a$b2bcc440$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Woo hoo! My wife just called and said there was a box from Amazon waiting for me at the house. That should contain your book (amonst other things). Greg --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- > > I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." > Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover > book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and > indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands > of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative > to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By > Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing > insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to > listen to other musicians. > > "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can > order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order > the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. > Click on or paste into your web window: > www.thecoyote.org > Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few > boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. > > Best wishes to all, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 19:36:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D66C23BED8; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:36:06 -0700 Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <1146767188.445a4754c41fd@webmail.musetrap.com> Message-Id: <3B081490-DBA5-11DA-B786-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:08 +0000 (UTC) On Thursday, May 4, 2006, at 11:26 AM, cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > Do musicians want to be programmers? > >> As Lao Tzu said, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach >> him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." > > or > > "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, > and he > spends all his time tying flies in the basement and neglecting his > personal > hygeine", Jimmy James, News Radio > > hehe > > Or my favorite, courtesy Fletcher from the TapeOp messageboard: "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll shut the f@ck up and go fishing." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 19:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36143BEF0; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e3Z9gfCCyR8JfHhtBDbjvFEOCEYekNZ2gfa2lu8Yaj99DVh527XC/1keqlCm/9QbvwUpZcS0aRIBax17WkDAYL/7Rw405mxFhZ7s3pr96x12ZKU/ynK6Mx8zQhkkpxxSb1aIkUSCQVP3pCuNQSWBKfNKoVHl9jgwEjnNggo9xE8= ; Message-ID: <20060504193630.4337.qmail@web37305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060504181433.21401.qmail@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1Q97O.A.QmD._elWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Apologies to the list, I intended this message (and my followup...) to go only to Douglas. Greg --- Greg House wrote: > Hey Douglas, > > Congrats again! I actually ordered your book from Amazon a couple of weeks ago. > Got a notice a day or two ago that it had shipped, so I'm expecting it to show > up > soon. Should be fun, perhaps someday I'll finish this house addition and > actually > have time to LOOK at the book! > > Greg > > --- Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > Greetings Friends, Family, Business Associates, and All and Sundry- > > > > I am pleased to anounce the publication of my book/CD, "Play Guitar By Ear." > > Subtitled "An Innovative Guide to Listening and Learning," this softcover > > book (104 pp.) and audio CD (over 70 minutes) approches the guitar (and > > indeed, music) from the intuitive and personal side, the way that thousands > > of great guitarists have learned to play all over the world. As informative > > to the beginner as the intermediate and advanced player, "Play Guitar By > > Ear" minimizes music notation and formal organization while providing > > insight into the process of what to listen for, how to respond, and how to > > listen to other musicians. > > > > "Play Guitar By Ear" is published by the Hal Leonard Corporation. You can > > order it from Amazon.com or your favorite local book store, or you can order > > the book directly from the author by vising his newly fired-up web site. > > Click on or paste into your web window: > > www.thecoyote.org > > Poke around, drop me a line, read up on the book, and be sure to order a few > > boxes of "Play Guitar By Ear" for all your friends and family. > > > > Best wishes to all, > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 20:35:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C42833BED3; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: another word about the number one hit howto Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:35:41 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001c01c66fba$504d6f10$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZvuk+wO7KpMGSDTFu0FUBfZeYLPA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) what I liked best in the manual (which is, to remind you, from the late Eighties) is: "It's obvious that in a very short space of time the Japanese will have delivered the technology and then brought the price of it down so that you can do the whole thing at home. Then you will be able to sod off all that crap about going into studios." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 21:24:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADD8F3BEDA; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yQLC4O16qER3ppF1YaDN1mHAu1gMdfJ1iQumTsKT0tS1mVQXSkPt5p2MW1z6zdXDC9YgVwz0ypNjOQ1t13VGWdZa1t5uaeWee0+PHZk+4eLmUcdGXSrjb0cCLYE5m4L4tstpGLWkgclehlzbuIIylykO217C5Psj4XuE3TzEedQ= ; Message-ID: <20060504212449.44045.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2665e0c50605041134m133e874wa527747fd720f3c6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gOUeC.A.PuH.kEnWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:24:52 +0000 (UTC) I don't think loop accuracy is something you need to be thinking about, I think all modern loopers will make a loop fairly precicely based on your input. That does take practice. I'm not awear of any loopers that do mulitpal loops that make you pause in between loops either. Really, you probably want to start thinking about *how* you're going to use it and then go from there. What's your budget? Maybe a used JamMan (the original lexicon) may be for you. It's a pretty good place to start. My friend Andy came over last week with one and he made damn good use of it. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 4 22:38:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9C43BED3; Thu, 4 May 2006 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tgAfKdjNxGIt4ou7l3dE+U8AeOXnne4Wr3jE330y//8p6OL/txfFFX9HxZq1LQQrA7BJzLg4aB286fqlqFg412TmR/HQXD6GJGmZyu/HMlR6LO/n6coXezSWLKe/KTt6JjnXU2wqQUv/aChWH+27Q9CksgvQZm0QHf139GaGHS8= ; Message-ID: <20060504223759.87068.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Macbook Pro users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060504212449.44045.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm wondering how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:05:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 002693BECC; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fc01c66fdf$e4aed110$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: "Visual Arts League" , , "T ." , , "Krispen Hartung" , "Jeff Abrams" , "David Foster" , "Aaron Davis" , "Anneliessa Balk Stimpert" , "Samuel F Stimpert" , "TED KILLIAN" , "Ted Apel" , "RICK WALKER" , "nbweber" , "Nate Paradis" , "lucio menegon" , "JOE RUT - Lumper/Splitter" , "Jeremy Jensen" , "Jeff Rice" , "Jeff Kaiser" , "Jared Hallock" , "Gretchen Jude" , "George McLean" , "elijah jensen" , "Bonefish Sam" , "AlejAndro Anastasio" , "Art Hodge" , "Thad Povey" , "nico luminous" , "Michael Peters" , , Subject: First Batch of MP3s & Photos from Boise Experimental Music Festival Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:04:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.boisemusicians.com) (http://www.boisemusic) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 550, in=289492, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:05:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all - The first night's recordings of the Boise Experimental Music Festival = (BEMF) are now posted on the BEMF website. I have also posted many = photos and a few videos. http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental (click "Sound & Video" or = "Images") I will be posting the Saturday recordings and more photos early next = week to complete this "virtual festival". Cheers, ************************************************* Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm Looper's Delight Playlist - = http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all -
 
The first night's recordings of = the=20 Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF) are now = posted on=20 the BEMF website. I have also posted many photos and a few = videos.
 
http://www.boisemusic= ians.com/experimental (click=20 "Sound & Video" or "Images")
 
I will be posting the Saturday = recordings and more=20 photos early next week to complete this "virtual festival".
 
Cheers,
 
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Krispen = Hartung /=20 Improvisational Looping Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
Looper's Delight Playlist - http://www.boisemusicians.com/loopers-delight.m3u ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C66FAD.96FFA700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:07:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A320A3BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.27.164):SA:0(-0.7/5.0):. Processed in 3.326846 secs Process 31418) Message-ID: <445AA55B.3000205@swyatt.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 02:07:39 +0100 From: Stuart Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? References: <20060504223759.87068.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060504223759.87068.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0618-2, 05/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled > Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm wondering > how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on > it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run? I'd hold off on getting a MacBook pro for a bit if I were you. There are a lot of recent reports of problems with them overheating, due to too much thermal grease on the processor... ... the result is the real temperature of the processor is not picked up by the thermal sensors (due to too much grease insulating the sensors), thus the system overheats and dies. Rectifying this problem is simple, but if you remove some of the grease yourself, you invalidate the warranty. Getting Apple to do it for you might cost you $$'s I've just been reading about this off of the SomethingAwful forums (who Apple have already ridiculously threatened to sue, after a member posted a page containing a link to the engineers manual, showing how to fix the problem).... *sigh* - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:11:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446D13BEE2; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YcPE8416IZVIJNbgMdiJr8gNmo8fKYpXFng6rgWCSCXnIVbph/m7E4bA8oy6o1OH6WiDOc5X3gfYC6/+fveW/yWMBhMefp7cIVhOS1MQ3VDwQzGliYBKqZ6VtwiYenvEObNNd+i8k1y88FwvcP/me+ObHWw3ch96dTPne2f6WAg= In-Reply-To: <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <20060503234226.32132.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01c001c66f84$a4bb1c90$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: generative music ..was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:11:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:11:52 +0000 (UTC) On May 4, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Ben wrote: > Software ways? Except Koan which seems quite Creative labs oriented > (soundfonts), are there other alternatives? > Should we ask manufacturers for a "loop" player: a kind of LP-1 > with random functions and sync between tracks so everytime you hear > a track it's slightly different? We just have to "prepare" some > alternative layers and the player will remix/re-arrange on the fly. There are several small loop/clip based programs with interesting user controls at: http://www.ixi-software.net/content/software.html Both windows and mac legacy in some cases, I recently came across this for mac: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/gleetch[lab].html Looks like it leans towards noise design but might be flexible and seems to have a couple of randomizing elements. regards BobCo http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 01:32:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81A13BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c66fe3$d7811c60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: BOISE EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC FESTIVAL: a special thanks Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:32:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 01:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for everything and to everybody who participated in the Boise Experimental Music Festival last weekend. I can't believe that it will be a week away from it. I'm still reeling! This was one of the most memorable festivals I"ve ever participated in and the communal vibe and plethora of creativity you all had going in Boise was really impressive to me. I came home feeling so unbelievably creative and inspired by what I saw there. I think I am going to use the old adage of Picasso........."Good artists borrow..............great artists steal" and go out and get some contact mics. This is when music gets good: when you just have to create because of what you've seen and been stimulated by. >From the Lumper Splitter found object set to Jeff Kaiser's amazing gargling Max/MSP solo during Ted Killian's and my set to the beautiful Alvin Lucier piece to the really fun (and scary) Boise Naval Base theatre performance to the wonderful videos to the amazing and thought provoking Cosmic Rays piece (and those amazing metallic speaker experiments) to Gretchen Jude's really cool vocal Max/MSP piece ................to the beautiful Visual Arts Collective and it's truly wonderful and generous owners (which has a beautiful new art show put up the next day if you are in Boise reading this)............it was just an amazing festival! I felt so privileged to be asked to perform. I look forward to coming and performing again in Boise if you'll have me back. Thanks Krispen. You did nothing short of an inspirational job much love, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 03:01:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C5373BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 03:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d001c66ff0$359e7890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: excellent WIRE review of the CHOIR BOYS, Jeff Kaiser's project Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:01:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 03:01:31 +0000 (UTC) I don't know if this got posted yet, or not but one of our own just got about as good a review as one could get from the WIRE magazine just the other day. I've had the pleasure of hearing Jeff play and this past weekend playing with him and he is a wonderful musician, deserving of such high accolades. Buy this CD, you'll be so glad you did. ********* ********* from THE WIRE, MAY 2006 The Choir Boys The Choir Boys with Strings Pfmentum CD Recorded live in two large suites at Ventura College Theatre by the quartet of Andrew Pask clarinet, bass clarinet, alto and bass penny whistle, Jeff Kaiser on trumpet and a version of Don Ellis's quarter tone instrument and GE Stinson and Steuart Liebig on guitar and bass guitar respectively, The Choir Boys With Strings serves to show how slow someone like Anthony Braxton has been to wake up to the potential of electronics in improvised music. One can imagine someone like George Lewis taking part in something like this, though the language is closer to the saxophonist's. Everyone's plugged into something and the result is an urgent, witty and often moving collage of acoustic and electronic sound which doesn't draw attention to itself, but lets some genuinely powerful music come through. Brian Morton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 04:22:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1DE13BED6; Fri, 5 May 2006 04:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yqZoKMbImOczN9ARvugACNxMuVjdwU/Eh3y6F6ksZvmaGZcCwe6DqijRY3WMRY83d8EqunXVl+nG+V9M8efgqQEz1fNEJyQVFUpE5ssetO6YlZnQgNYmojONZMvJ7PwhP/iEPtw0Kgfs0lRnRAmkasxHj20aJpCAT00BEHgjAAc= ; Message-ID: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <445AA55B.3000205@swyatt.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 04:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, it turns out I have a friend of a friend who works for apple who says, "wait a bit." I guess pretty soon v2 of the mbp will hit the streets. I'm in no rush, I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth an extra $500 or so to get an Apple... oddly it's probably near what I could sell my Powerbook for. I'm still very curious as to how this whole thing could play out. So far the world of Windows has been mostly cut off to me. It would be nice to have a foot in both worlds. M --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: > > Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled > > Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm > wondering > > how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does > well) on > > it in XP mode and more specifically, how does > Mobius run? > > I'd hold off on getting a MacBook pro for a bit if I > were you. There are > a lot of recent reports of problems with them > overheating, due to too > much thermal grease on the processor... > > ... the result is the real temperature of the > processor is not picked up > by the thermal sensors (due to too much grease > insulating the sensors), > thus the system overheats and dies. Rectifying this > problem is simple, > but if you remove some of the grease yourself, you > invalidate the > warranty. Getting Apple to do it for you might cost > you $$'s > > I've just been reading about this off of the > SomethingAwful forums (who > Apple have already ridiculously threatened to sue, > after a member posted > a page containing a link to the engineers manual, > showing how to fix the > problem).... *sigh* > > > - Stuart Wyatt http://swyatt.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 04:35:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2D83BEDD; Fri, 5 May 2006 04:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP simm question Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 00:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007901c66ffd$49c082c0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060504065138.DF66633CAF7@smtp.nildram.co.uk> thread-index: AcZv9lNeJO50My4yRRKFTWq71KJDIgABhSwQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 04:35:05 +0000 (UTC) What kind of SIMMS are needed - speed, size, and pin count? I have a bunch of simms (1 and 4 meg I believe) that I'd be more than happy to part with for a more than reasonable rate... like shipping. They are doing me no good at all. I just took a quick look and found 3 72 pin modules. I know I have more somewhere. I'm guessing these are 4 meg chips, but they don't have any decent identifying markings, so, it's a crap shoot. If anybody knows a good site for looking up SIMM info, let me know and I'll try to give a better accounting for what I have. Lemme know Tony -----Original Message----- From: Fluke [mailto:fluke@gotadsl.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP simm question 60nS or 70nS is much quicker than 120nS and so will do fine. I found at least four sources of 4mb simms on Ebay.co.uk when I looked early this year. Nik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 05:53:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CF913BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 05:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:53:02 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: NOIZE CREATOR / X&TRICK Japan Tour in Kobe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 05:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, sorry for the spam.. but it someone interest.. [ NOIZE CREATOR / X&TRICK Japan Tour in Kobe ] 5th May '06 Live at Kobe Big Apple NOIZE CREATOR (from Germany / laptop,electronics) http://suburbantrash.c8.com/ X&TRICK (from Belgium / laptop,electronics) http://www.bugklinik.com/ Sunao Inami (Reaktor5,Live5) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Kazuya Ishigami (Max/Msp) http://www.neus318.com/ Open 18:30 Start 19:30 Adv.1800 yen Door 2000 yen details: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/flyer/2006/0505/ contacts: Big Apple http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple big-apple@i.bekkoame.ne.jp TEL$B!u(BFAX 078(251)7049 ================ 7th May '06 Live at club OTOYA NOIZE CREATOR (from Germany / laptop,electronics) X&TRICK (from Belgium / laptop,electronics) Cindytalk ( from UK /laptop,electronics) http://www.cindytalk.org/ Sunao Inami (laptop,electronics) DJ an0n ( from UK) and more.. 18:00 OPEN / 2000yen w1d contacts: club OTOYA http://otoya.gonna.jp otoya@lh.gonna.jp TEL&FAX 078-393-2758 ================ Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.electr-ohm.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 08:42:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 998FF3BED8; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:42:28 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > yet MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in which > you can write your own looping plugin to work seamlessly inside > MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. If you fly me in for the next festival, i'll give you a solid introduction to Max and a of course all of my looping patches...(you can have them anyway... ;-) In the end you will skip all the plugs and do all processing with your homebrewn patches... The advantage of learning to DIY instead of learning someone elses software/hardware has always been obvious for me. Sure, it takes more time to learn Max, than to learn a readymade looper/sequencer/whatever. But all you learn is related to what you do and focus on, no waiste at all. Those who make a readymade program do have their own personal focus. It could be close to yours, but it will never match exactly, it will drive you to adapt your focus to the focus of the creator(s) of that program (if its commercial, the focus is most likely a flattened out common denominator of the addressed client base)... Max rulez... Stefan -- [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x---- --_____-----------|----------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- -- _|_)----|-----()----------- ----------()------------x----- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 10:13:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B58113BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:13:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <445B3359.30279.23C7CA@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <913728d60605040815t627ef249r6f20504e44b03a65@mail.gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <_ZsKGD.A.R6H.ZVyWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:13:45 +0000 (UTC) I'm a lone voice in the wilderness, but for a beginner, I'd get a Zoom G2 - it has 5 seconds of (tap length) loop which you can fade/replace at any time, with further echo and reverb options on top. Plus shed loads of other fx, which you can tweak whilst the loop is held. And a drum machine! Best of all, it's dirt cheap! If you can't have hours of fun with that, the more expensive items may not seem good value for money. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 11:32:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0462A3BECF; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1146828715!32830074!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.179] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91B8@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Macbook Pro users? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:31:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C67037.7E8A41A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:31:59 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67037.7E8A41A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm wondering how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run?<< I have a macbook pro coming next week. I am hoping to avoid getting any micro$oft anywhere near the thing. :-) that would be like running a ferrari on paraffin. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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>>Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled
Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it?  I'm wondering
how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) on
it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius run?<<

I have a macbook pro coming next week. I am hoping to avoid getting any micro$oft anywhere near the thing. :-)
that would be like running a ferrari on paraffin.

d.



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C67037.7E8A41A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 12:04:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8833BEC7; Fri, 5 May 2006 12:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation-Mail-From: loopersdelight@swyatt.com via u15184937 X-Antivirus-TotalPlayStation: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:0(88.109.27.164):SA:0(-0.7/5.0):. Processed in 2.084637 secs Process 24132) Message-ID: <445B3F40.40601@swyatt.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:04:16 +0100 From: Stuart Wyatt User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? References: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0618-2, 05/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <_xcXHD.A.hFF.G9zWEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:04:23 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: > I'm still very curious as to how this whole thing > could play out. So far the world of Windows has been > mostly cut off to me. It would be nice to have a foot > in both worlds. One thing I have read is that OSX x86 cannot be run off of a partition of a drive - it needs a full sepeate hard disk. I did read this on a site though where someone was setting up OSX x86 on an IBM centrino machine, so I'm not sure if this is also valid for true macbook pro's. What this would mean is that you could not have WinXP and OSX on the same machine, unless you connect an external HD or fit a second internal one. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:04:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4902C3BEDB; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAH/zWkSFT4MlLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505144318.0195e978@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:04:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Looperlative LP1 testers In-Reply-To: <20060502183552.7B62D3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060502183552.7B62D3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:04:56 +0000 (UTC) At 19:35 02/05/2006, you wrote: >BV > >I've been unsubscribed for some time due to mailbox overflow, but I've been >following the discussion through the archive. > >There are two topics (second topic in a separate post): >I've been wondering about the selection of Looperlative LP1 testers. Why >wasn't Andy Butler added to this group? Andy has proven that he's one of the >most structured, thorough and ingenious testers of loop devices or musical >gear of any kind. Was he too busy and declined? thanks Bernhard for your kind words >hey Bernhard > >what a strange question ? >is LP1 buggy ? hey Claude, I can find bugs in a toaster :-) >is LP1 unstructured? i don't think Bernhard was saying that LP1 is unstructured, rather he means that the way I test is structured. >there seems to be enough ideas thrown at Bob Amstadt to keep him occupied >for a long time my role with the EDP was far more as a tester than a "features demander", In any case, not all suggestions are from a wish list. Sometimes it's possible to make small changes to the user interface which improve the usability without causing a lot of work. >(theres a part time job for a c. programmer at looperlative.com btw) hmm..........interesting >having followed the LP1 forum for a while, I'm a little bothered with the >"throw in your ideas, boys" way of develloping a software. hopefully Bob has a vision to implement a set of features that work well together. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:17:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEDA3BEDD; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAIb6WkSIdCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505151715.019f10a8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:17:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers In-Reply-To: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2NsUhD.A.QqE.Q61WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:17:53 +0000 (UTC) At 04:27 03/05/2006, you wrote: >--- Steve Lawson wrote: > > >He didn't really need any more beta testers than >that. > > >... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a >lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues >of the LP-1. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:18:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E34D3BEE2; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAIb6WkSIdCw Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505151807.019a8330@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:18:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers In-Reply-To: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <96QM2C.A.z0E.R71WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:18:58 +0000 (UTC) At 04:27 03/05/2006, you wrote: >--- Steve Lawson wrote: > > >He didn't really need any more beta testers than >that. > > >... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a >lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues >of the LP-1. ..if only they'd got Claude Voit on the case :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 367203BECF; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:24:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 553, in=293654, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Well, this is great. Now all of you (starting with Jeff) have me all hot and bothered over MAX/MSP, yet I can't can't seem to find that $500 in pocket change under my couch cushions to get it...soon, I'll have it. Although, I just setup my two laptops, one with my VST effect system, the other with Mobius...running great. I sort of like the idea of having two notebooks. Each notebook can actually run a scaled down, self-contained system with Mobius and a subset of my VST effects. That way, if I'm on a gig and one computer has issues, I have a backup. Plus, by running just my VSTs on one machine, I can really load it up and run a lot of stuff at the same time. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> yet MAX/MSP seems like a very stable and holistic system, in which >> you can write your own looping plugin to work seamlessly inside >> MAX/MSP and with other VST effects. > > If you fly me in for the next festival, i'll give you a solid > introduction to Max and a of course all of my looping patches...(you can > have them anyway... ;-) > In the end you will skip all the plugs and do all processing with your > homebrewn patches... > > The advantage of learning to DIY instead of learning someone elses > software/hardware has always been obvious for me. Sure, it takes more time > to learn Max, than to learn a readymade looper/sequencer/whatever. But all > you learn is related to what you do and focus on, no waiste at all. Those > who make a readymade program do have their own personal focus. It could be > close to yours, but it will never match exactly, it will drive you to > adapt your focus to the focus of the creator(s) of that program (if its > commercial, the focus is most likely a flattened out common denominator of > the addressed client base)... > > Max rulez... > > Stefan > > -- > > [][] [][][] [][] [][][] > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > Stefan Tiedje > Klanggestalter > Electronic Composition > & > Improvisation > > /~~~~~\ > \\\ /|() ()|\ > ))))) )| | |( \\\ > /// \ \_/)/ ))))) > \___/ /// > > -------------------------x---- > --_____-----------|----------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()---- > -- _|_)----|-----()----------- > ----------()------------x----- > > 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, > 94320 Thiais, France > Phone at CCMIX +33-1-57 42 91 09 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:40:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C6AF3BEE9; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ecoIAOzpGhdXbuj5V8eCJC2ah07EztBiS8QS/sLkCrftNfPtYhx8ytIz8Hg8crJD7EcpFkj/U7Uh8FTn5DAWn9ufNuQTDS5IFuKbTzHGPCJskAMILMKIubpKrJXFcQCQQxGHjfU9f8WdaIs+KOHnX5KO0Pj0ep9oapMmxyqgFMw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <445B3F40.40601@swyatt.com> References: <20060505042225.14227.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <445B3F40.40601@swyatt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:40:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:40:17 +0000 (UTC) On 5 maj 2006, at 14.04, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > One thing I have read is that OSX x86 cannot be run off of a > partition of a drive - it needs a full sepeate hard disk. I did > read this on a site though where someone was setting up OSX x86 on > an IBM centrino machine, so I'm not sure if this is also valid for > true macbook pro's. > What this would mean is that you could not have WinXP and OSX on > the same machine, unless you connect an external HD or fit a second > internal one. I doubt that's relevant. Running x86 (a OSX hack) on a machine with hardware normally suitable for Windows is not the same as running Windows XP on a machine from Apple normally suited for OS X (like the Macbook Pro). This is the way to go: http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:43:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592013BEE8; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=p1Vu3pgBb6bA3jbuMqg6X62Aoz5cD3x8k61ORBTu/Igpwrjw+TgumB6NsBGniISTxzWsVtIVqOgMEuep1CTSQTTIFjYDTFZW/Xd/qLlnl0/Ul6eA9svejeN/2nF1UsVNTShxokq16Rk2IK1sFqm2Cs8aez79wxp33kcF3FunAko= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:43:35 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: ffb054bbbf581afe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:43:37 +0000 (UTC) > mark sottilaro wrote: > > One thing I have read is that OSX x86 cannot be run off of a partition > of a drive - it needs a full sepeate hard disk. I have a MBP and I run OS X off a partition. Works fine. I did have the screen whine issue though - however Apple accepted it for repair and now it's fine. Kinda warm though - but no idea whether it's warmer than it's supposed to b= e. cheers, os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:45:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D891D3BEFC; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,93,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="1090954641:sNHT595122538" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445B3359.30279.23C7CA@nick.12testing.net> References: <445B3359.30279.23C7CA@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Beginner - what should I buy? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:47:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:46 +0000 (UTC) I was a Electro Harmonix 16-second delay user until the early '90s and then switched to Lexicon JamMan, then to Echoplex Digital Pro (what I've mostly used since). But I've always had a few "loop-capable" pedals of some sort around for quickie light traveling gigs in my small stage set-up. I've been on this list for 10 years now. I really, really, really recomend the Boss DD-20. See the Looper's Delight archives (tools of the trade) and especially Doug Baldwin's thorough review of the thing at: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20_review1.html You can pick 'em up used for well under $200 these days. I've owned up to three of them (symultaneously) and their internal delay clock accuracy is pretty darn spot on. Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:45:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5F663BF0C; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nbT+qWPW3VKYUXeM5Yg6i9Bq+jCKGJJNY34KXyTDf01qkrtbuHaLGwzv9OJgoDyxgT+R9/hqmetB4LlD1pep6cf2SoH1a3dPgmLQpMFhpx8SW9aETVb2XXO/QB1YVsfaIfQql9KQ2tjBbnxMDk0CtJjRHD2fIXKR1LkzySHy21o= In-Reply-To: <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D0BE855-4894-4D5A-B25B-56D9F6D86909@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:45:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:45:56 +0000 (UTC) On 5 maj 2006, at 16.24, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Although, I just setup my two laptops, one with my VST effect > system, the other with Mobius...running great. Do you play though one into the other, daisy chained? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:48:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7543BF08; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAIwBW0SFT4MlLA Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:48:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: MaxMSP looping - In-Reply-To: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0sx-qC.A.p7G.sW2WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:48:13 +0000 (UTC) > >I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of Max/MSP. hi Jeff a Max/MSP question how good is it for rhythmically based music? I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet heard any rhythmic co-ordination going on, at least not in the time signature sense. Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that at all, I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 14:51:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DD993BF08; Fri, 5 May 2006 14:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024301c67053$63eb9da0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7D0BE855-4894-4D5A-B25B-56D9F6D86909@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:51:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 551, in=289760, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9TzwxC.A.WHH.zZ2WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:51:32 +0000 (UTC) That's correct. I plug directly into one (my new ThinkPad Intel duo with the Indigo card), out of that and into my Compaq Presario. That's it...no hardware gear...just the FCB to control Mobius. I'd like to run Mobius as a standalone, but I need to run reverb after Mobius and not before, otherwise it cuts off my decay. Hence, I run Mobius in EnergyXT as a VST, and add a reverb plugin after it. It's working very well. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) > On 5 maj 2006, at 16.24, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Although, I just setup my two laptops, one with my VST effect system, >> the other with Mobius...running great. > > Do you play though one into the other, daisy chained? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5907A3BED8; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Qo5i+PgpABKh3zP+AUsnV2blJJ3I6ZBCH1pPUFak12ym5vyC8T+SDKCexUZqRP/gPEkmU3WDsB2s1o9mh9/G3VVVf/n9hRYcjXi5YUqj6AmwZuufvH6U6iFCkZtmwHYN0yHrkKX/V1Rjbol53HQ6X3WS2FAlLlC+UTHSBjyAMuc= In-Reply-To: <024301c67053$63eb9da0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> <01de01c6704f$a5ed7dd0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7D0BE855-4894-4D5A-B25B-56D9F6D86909@gmail.com> <024301c67053$63eb9da0$d4ccf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <894D3AD6-072D-4C2E-9F31-B5F75DBA9646@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Two laptops (Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:02:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: <9vzoHC.A.99H.tj2WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) On 5 maj 2006, at 16.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's correct. I plug directly into one (my new ThinkPad Intel duo > with the Indigo card), out of that and into my Compaq Presario. > That's it...no hardware gear...just the FCB to control Mobius. I'd > like to run Mobius as a standalone, but I need to run reverb after > Mobius and not before, otherwise it cuts off my decay. Hence, I > run Mobius in EnergyXT as a VST, and add a reverb plugin after it. > It's working very well. Thanks, interesting to hear about that setup in detail. I have a strategy for using a second laptop as "drum machine" but so far I have not received any gig requesting that. For reverb I'm fine so far with adding it pre looping. The trick is to remember that you have to end "record" with overdub whenever you lay down a loop layer through a reverb sound. I like the option to lay down a huge reverb layer and then overdub with a more close-up reverb. And I also like being able to cut the reverb on purpose... and reverse a recorded reverb of a single hit sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:04:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 394E73BF0A; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:52:32 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Fw: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00da01c67055$8577f480$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:04:21 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: "Douglas Baldwin" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Play Guitar By Ear book/cd published > Just a quick shout out - I hope y'all didn't take my book announcement as > too spam-heavy. Loop content: If you go to my web page, you can order my > looping CD ("The Coyote Loops! Dress Rehearsal April 2005") AND the Loopers > Delight Compilation Vol. III CD. > Best, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:08:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D618E3BF14; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c67055$b6a75af0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060503032727.B03FF3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505151807.019a8330@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:08:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:08:03 +0000 (UTC) they would be 1 1/2 year late !!! :-) thanks for the compliment Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: re: Looperlative testers > At 04:27 03/05/2006, you wrote: >>--- Steve Lawson wrote: >> >> >He didn't really need any more beta testers than >>that. >> >> >>... or did he? Sorry to play devil's advocate, but a >>lot of my frustration comes from the midi sync issues >>of the LP-1. > > ..if only they'd got Claude Voit on the case :-) > > andy > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:15:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72C143BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g1oi8svFEwfSMrBptZ54wycls6MhcbRGV3HV4z91Ui0nbuj/p3rjPLeYEgBQDmPB7JtGbTHuLqjZqMhVomIU3pivOKQ70Or+WVxmKJcMeDoZ9BD583vfQXubPIkNTWBmMQqQ6ZLQ223B/+uaF5efvlJxlQkzQAgiPqyVkbJqaoI= ; Message-ID: <20060505151524.19210.qmail@web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: getting started/what to buy/ loop things/ budgets To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060505142445.A4C9C3BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-958007634-1146842124=:12932" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:15:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-958007634-1146842124=:12932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit dear getting started- i have mostly experience w/ the low end stuff. i started w/ a digitech rp100, it has 2 sec of delay, i really experiemented a lot w/ it. then added a dod d-12, it has 12 sec of delay or 4 banks of 6 sec samples. i used those 2 in conjunction forever, still use them actually. i have added between those a zoom g2 (5 sec, can't manipulate delay, but effects options are very good for price) and i also have a digitech xdelay (4 sec of delay-which gives me more options).... i have also used a boss dd20, i didn't love it, but if you are preforming live, it would be a very good option w/ the foot options....and it has many delay options and sound on sound..... if you are looking to perform live singer songwriter stuff w/ looping, the things i've seen: 1. howie day on carson dailey used a line 6 delay modeler (14 sec of loop time), i have not used one, much discussion on L-D about it.....many big wigs use it as well, howie day did some cool stuff at the end of the song he performed that fit w/ the song. he used it to good effect.....i doubt ave viewer knew what he was doing.....the tv did show a clip of his foot working pedal board, and i think he had 2 of them..... 2.i saw a pic of kaki king in my last guitar player and she had a boss loop station at her feet in her pedal board (don't know if it was ver. 1 or the xl version)..... the main thing i stress, if you are playing live, you want feet control manipulation....for most of my loop experiments i'm sitting, and i like to twiddle, so its lots of hand manipulation for me (i'm not much of a stomper)..... s--- ps-i think you should also check the "TOOLS" section, most of the choices have reviews done by a L-D folk, most give the goods/bads, which all devices have, you just have to find what works for you, experiment...name of the game here.....happy looping... --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. 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dear getting started-
i have mostly experience w/ the low end stuff. i started w/ a digitech rp100, it has 2 sec of delay, i really experiemented a lot w/ it. then added a dod d-12, it has 12 sec of delay or 4 banks of 6 sec samples. i used those 2 in conjunction forever, still use them actually. i have added between those a zoom g2 (5 sec, can't manipulate delay, but effects options are very good for price) and i also have a digitech xdelay (4 sec of delay-which gives me more options)....
 
i have also used a boss dd20, i didn't love it, but if you are preforming live, it would be a very good option w/ the foot options....and it has many delay options and sound on sound.....
 
if you are looking to perform live singer songwriter stuff w/ looping, the things i've seen:
1. howie day on carson dailey used a line 6 delay modeler (14 sec of loop time), i have not used one, much discussion on L-D about it.....many big wigs use it as well, howie day did some cool stuff at the end of the song he performed that fit w/ the song. he used it to good effect.....i doubt ave viewer knew what he was doing.....the tv did show a clip of his foot working pedal board, and i think he had 2 of them.....
2.i saw a pic of kaki king in my last guitar player and she had a boss loop station at her feet in her pedal board (don't know if it was ver. 1 or the xl version).....
 
the main thing i stress, if you are playing live, you want feet control manipulation....for most of my loop experiments i'm sitting, and i like to twiddle, so its lots of hand manipulation for me (i'm not much of a stomper).....
s---
ps-i think you should also check the "TOOLS" section, most of the choices have reviews done by a L-D folk, most give the goods/bads, which all devices have, you just have to find what works for you, experiment...name of the game here.....happy looping...

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Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-958007634-1146842124=:12932-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:39:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 951973BEF8; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RlHQ+W4j0hWN+D8e2E4cygoym3MMGX91NbqETBcT+9BB0CVVppQ029mF4jEWLrErokk0TRqIHjl43LS5e9RPE4elPePmCn7SZ1lmoAyCwim7BRUtoOZslVNq6hqpwdD7ldP0UDDGOKHCcCv5SuhMalZCCok0CeI5sC6smsnPqe4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44591455.3000902@post.cybercity.dk> <4459AB94.2090702@post.cybercity.dk> <3B9D3281-F5D4-45CE-8F94-3843CAF1FD98@gmail.com> <4459E633.6090903@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - was: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:39:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:39:24 +0000 (UTC) > On 4 maj 2006, at 13.32, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: >>> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility >>> of Max/MSP. > Per Boysen wrote: >> Seconded! I have experienced the flexibility of scripting with >> Mobius and AFAIK Max should be able to do similar things. > Hehe, you better believe it ;) You could even load Mobius inside > Max as well, and use max objects to control it - fractal loopin' > for instance. Or serialist looping - now there's an oxymoron, hehe. "Serialist Looping" and "Oxymoronean Looping" could go parts of what I do. Fact is everything I need is already inside Mobius. I now have most macro tools (scripts) finished for 4/4 based music. But I need to rework all my script for 7/8 based, 5/4 or other time based music. It is possible, I know how to do it, but oh so boring and time consuming. Before Mobius I used a system in Ableton Live where MIDI events, organized into relevant series, were trigged by pedals to dynamically alter the ongoing looping process. That system was quick and smart because the same serial sequences could be used as triggers for any kind of action - I just had to convert them once. With Mobius I have to write new scripts and that's a bit time consuming. So this is my interest in MAX; if that way of applying of serial sequences can be somehow generalized for a quicker application? I use serial sequences for parameters like "overdub", "pitch transpose", "speed", "feedback", "Subtstitute Insert", "retrigger", "reallign". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:41:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A74D53BEF8; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:41:17 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: Re: excellent WIRE review of the CHOIR BOYS, Jeff Kaiser's project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <445B721D.7020506@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-ca, en-us, en-gb, en X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <00d001c66ff0$359e7890$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (CK-SillyDog) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:41:37 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > I don't know if this got posted yet, or not but one of our own just > got about as good a review > as one could get from the WIRE magazine just the other day. > > I've had the pleasure of hearing Jeff play and this past weekend > playing with him and he is > a wonderful musician, deserving of such high accolades. > > Buy this CD, you'll be so glad you did. > > ********* > ********* > > from THE WIRE, MAY 2006 > > The Choir Boys > The Choir Boys with Strings > > Pfmentum CD > > Recorded live in two large suites at Ventura College Theatre by the > quartet of Andrew Pask clarinet, bass clarinet, alto and bass penny > whistle, Jeff Kaiser on trumpet and a version of Don Ellis's quarter > tone instrument and GE Stinson and Steuart Liebig on guitar and bass > guitar respectively, The Choir Boys With Strings serves to show how > slow someone like Anthony Braxton has been to wake up to the potential > of electronics in improvised music. One can imagine someone like George > Lewis taking part in something like this, though the language is closer > to the saxophonist's. Everyone's plugged into something and the result > is an urgent, witty and often moving collage of acoustic and electronic > sound which doesn't draw attention to itself, but lets some genuinely > powerful music come through. > > Brian Morton Congrats to The Choir Boys! Jeff sent me a promo a few months back and it is indeed great stuff. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 15:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9FE13BEF3; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> References: <006101c66eed$8c514a40$78b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <445B0FF4.7050008@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <874d5409db6fa7d429664a0acf7052ea@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Did a quick Mobius gig today :-) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:55:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 15:55:09 +0000 (UTC) > > > Max rulez... > > Stefan hell YEAH! :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:01:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF11C3BEF3; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:01:49 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: <7pNO-B.A.kLE.ub3WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:01:50 +0000 (UTC) I'm not a current Max user, but when I was working for Opcode I spent some time exploring it, and even wandering thru the source code a bit.. :) in anycase, it's a 'visual programming environment', and is capable of many things... what it is used for is entirely up to the programmer, so one could assume that the people who programmed the Max patches for the pieces you have heard did not concern themselves with the rhythmic/time signature based issues... One of the things that is great about these type of environments is that it's so easy to start experimenting... which, I believe, lends itself to more 'sound/data mangling', much like tweaking parameters on fx, than 'time based/syncronized' work... as well, I believe time-based stuff can require more of a 'programming' mindset, where fx based work is more about just plugging objects together... It's been said here before, but writing time-critical software is not a simple task... tools like Max make the easy parts far easier, but the hard parts are still hard... peace -cpr Quoting a k butler : > > > > >I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of > Max/MSP. > > hi Jeff > a Max/MSP question > > how good is it for rhythmically based music? > > I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet heard > any rhythmic co-ordination > going on, at least not in the time signature sense. > Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that at all, > I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX > > > andy butler > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:03:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E6A3BEFA; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:03:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I've never used it for sync'd up music. but at the sparks festival in=20 feb many guys had made their own dj type apps in max and were doing=20 rhythmically coordinated stuff, also more avant-garde rhythmic=20 stuff..so it is there. Stefan is a "power user" max guy, maybe he can chime in on this...I see=20= his posts daily on the max list. I know with loops, you can definitely sync them up, I just choose to=20 use them un-synced Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 7:48 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility of=20= >> Max/MSP. > > hi Jeff > a Max/MSP question > > how good is it for rhythmically based music? > > I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet heard=20= > any rhythmic co-ordination > going on, at least not in the time signature sense. > Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that at=20= > all, > I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX > > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:04:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D50E3BF02; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 12:04:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5VX2DC.A.OdE.ge3WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Rhythmic stuff is very possible in Max/MSP. I have a nice little patch for extracting the length of a sample, extracting the time sig and bar count that i put in the filename and auto calculating the length of a bar and of a beat. However I have built the same live performance system in Max/MSP and Reaktor. My personal preference with an A/B comparison was to use Reaktor. check this mini-tour of one of my live rigs - http://the0verclock.com/warper4overclock.mov Sorry, the footage is all 4/4. : ) At the time I was using Reaktor as a 6 channel plug for all looping, filtering, mixing. And ableton for organizing a huge bank of tv theme songs and pre-programmed drum parts. In previous versions of this rig, the pre-fab samples were loaded either inside of Reaktor or Max/ MSP. These days I have moved back to using Reaktor only. Ableton however is great for locking down old tv theme songs to a solid tempo before loading into Reaktor. And Max/MSP is still my go to App for quick midi fixes. Sorry for my lack of activity on this list, but you guys are tough to keep up with! Y'all send a metric ton of email! - b On May 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> >> I think one possible answer to this cycle lies in the flexibility >> of Max/MSP. > > hi Jeff > a Max/MSP question > > how good is it for rhythmically based music? > > I've heard a number of max/MSP performances, and have not yet > heard any rhythmic co-ordination > going on, at least not in the time signature sense. > Please don't take this as a criticism of the music, it isn't that > at all, > I'm interested in the capabilities of MAX > > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 16:56:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4C73BEF6; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on smtp2.ruc.dk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Level: Message-ID: <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 18:56:16 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:56:27 +0000 (UTC) First of all I'd like to say that this is the best loopers-delight thread in a while :-D Let's try to keep up the momentum! >> Max rulez... >> > >Stefan > > >hell YEAH! > >:-) indeed. cpr@musetrap.com wrote: > One of the things that is great about these type of environments is that it's > so easy to start experimenting... which, I believe, lends itself to more > 'sound/data mangling', much like tweaking parameters on fx, than 'time > based/syncronized' work... as well, I believe time-based stuff can require more > of a 'programming' mindset, where fx based work is more about just plugging > objects together... weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2 weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient gui. The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there are so many of them! Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more, before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) a. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FA413BEF8; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v94Ck9VuVmxssaUlU4bCnh7kdvsEu/LseajCoRiRaBSAl6uxufamHV5hCSXMxbDzPZWC60ctldmszxICMqNOlsMmxUvWtTKYaWC4N3TL8CkGpC/k2SU+OcsLjBw6E6xO0t35cENcUN9TDfds/vY3ranf/G3PqK5hVXsH9pPBD9Y= ; Message-ID: <20060505170443.7173.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Macbook Pro users? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC91B8@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:04:44 +0000 (UTC) I know, I know, I agree with you (please, no os wars) but I can't get past the fact that some tools just are not made for my platform of choice. In this case, Mobius. Trust me, I'd love nothing more than a version of Mobius (or similar app) to be released for the Mac OS but it just doesn't look like that's in the cards. I have to be a realist. Too many people are crowing about this little software looper to ingore it's importance and there for, the importance of XP by association. Mark --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>Hey, anyone out there own one of those new fangled > Macbook Pro's with XP installed on it? I'm > wondering > how well audio apps run (I've heard Liev does well) > on > it in XP mode and more specifically, how does Mobius > run?<< > > I have a macbook pro coming next week. I am hoping > to avoid getting any > micro$oft anywhere near the thing. :-) > that would be like running a ferrari on paraffin. > > d. > > > *************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the > ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and > may also > be privileged. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:43:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7674B3BEEA; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <20060505170443.7173.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060505170443.7173.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Macbook Pro users? Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:43:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4tqStB.A.PiC.T74WEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi All - I have a MacBook Pro that I've been testing for work. Unfortunately, I can't speak to much in regards to audio software yet, but in general I love the machine. I have been using Reason 3.0 and that has been working great. I plan to load Live on it this next week, and will eventually upgrade to the Universal Binary 5.2 version. I haven't done the dual boot install, but have been using the Parallels virtualization software (www.parallels.com) - still in beta but *way* faster than the Virtual PC emulation software. That is not yet ready for prime time regarding audio apps, though. WHen there is better audio support, I definitely want to test it out and (time permitting) will test the dual boot solution so that I can start tinkering with Mobius. So much software, so little time! Which brings up an interesting idea - perhaps I could load up ninjam on both OSes and jam with myself :-) Cheers, Craig BTW - the biggest drawback so far hasn't been software related but hardware related - these 1st generation MBPs have a 4x DVD drive which feels a bit like a throwback in time! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:44:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FED03BEF7; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To; b=JAcbFJdGl1BBXiui/qJKLV/g3E7HamOJctpr4I7Z1PBfzg4V+eIp2zHXkmKnZuMqEw6wZl+4XByk9yDRnFIwp+kzGnO3VMylhXt+YHtgZFT81bXfE8ghZf3RzfX9j37RJGbhqbZp2ptkihjQwj/ATQXpD3iT5lhFYZ2RJ15PYlM= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RC50 date pushed back Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:44:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZtkP++e22TJ+o6SMOjGwoZ1dWK8QC2jhwg In-Reply-To: <648b071975ab121bd6abca4217b1b4bf@charter.net> Message-Id: <20060505174422.0AFE23BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:44:23 +0000 (UTC) just got a note from Musicians Friend the original backorder date of 5/13 is now 6/30. argh. m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 17:54:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013933BEFB; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:54:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:54:33 +0000 (UTC) I think many people are focusing on this as a "programming" language,=20 which it really "sort of is, can be, but sort of is not, and doesn't=20 have to be"....one of the many beautiful things about max is that it=20 goes as deep as you want it to.....which doesn't have to be deep. I use it as a virtual pedal board/rack that I can change the order of=20 the effects instantly. I do write my own patches now, but at first, I=20 used mostly VST with max's venerable vst object. Very easy to host VSTs=20= (MOBIUS users might like that) with that, but more customizable than=20 plain hosts. Then one day last november I just started writing=20 patches....and boom, now I'm addicted. It really is fun and not that=20 hard on the level I'm at. Admittedly, I'm not writing hipno type=20 effects.....(which, by the way, I presume you all know that pluggo and=20= hipno were created with maxMSP (and jitter for hipno)....which shows=20 how deep you can go). So now: when I want to add a new timbre....instead of dropping the big=20= bucks for a new box, I sit down over a pot of tea and write one....or=20 do a tutorial (they are great) and get an idea from them. There is also a recent study that says Max/MSP lowers your cholesterol,=20= triglycerides and prevents Alzheimers's Disease.... wait. I made that part up. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2=20 > weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a=20= > working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch=20= > on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be=20= > used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more=20= > "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. > > Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes=20= > - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and=20= > OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the=20 > solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient=20= > gui. > > The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there=20= > are so many of them! > > Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more,=20 > before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) > > a. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 18:00:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 980A23BEF9; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1146852033.445b92c1542de@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:00:33 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MaxMSP looping - References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> In-Reply-To: <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:00:35 +0000 (UTC) I didn't mean to focus on that aspect, I only wanted to point out that the more complex ideas require more of an understanding at that level... that's why I pointed out the simplistic route as well... because of that, the exact dynamic you describe happens.. :) at a basic level, it's just like plugging cables between fx boxes, and tweaking the parameters... peace -cpr Quoting Jeff Kaiser : > I think many people are focusing on this as a "programming" language, > which it really "sort of is, can be, but sort of is not, and doesn't > have to be"....one of the many beautiful things about max is that it > goes as deep as you want it to.....which doesn't have to be deep. > > I use it as a virtual pedal board/rack that I can change the order of > the effects instantly. I do write my own patches now, but at first, I > used mostly VST with max's venerable vst object. Very easy to host VSTs > (MOBIUS users might like that) with that, but more customizable than > plain hosts. Then one day last november I just started writing > patches....and boom, now I'm addicted. It really is fun and not that > hard on the level I'm at. Admittedly, I'm not writing hipno type > effects.....(which, by the way, I presume you all know that pluggo and > hipno were created with maxMSP (and jitter for hipno)....which shows > how deep you can go). > > So now: when I want to add a new timbre....instead of dropping the big > bucks for a new box, I sit down over a pot of tea and write one....or > do a tutorial (they are great) and get an idea from them. > > There is also a recent study that says Max/MSP lowers your cholesterol, > triglycerides and prevents Alzheimers's Disease.... > > wait. I made that part up. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > On May 5, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > > > weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2 > > weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a > > working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch > > on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be > > used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more > > "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. > > > > Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes > > - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and > > OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the > > solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient > > gui. > > > > The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there > > are so many of them! > > > > Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more, > > before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) > > > > a. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 5 18:20:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C98B3BEE6; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1146852033.445b92c1542de@webmail.musetrap.com> References: <20060504113208.9F5823BEDB@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060505154140.019b7cb8@tiscali.co.uk> <1146844909.445b76ed25a8a@webmail.musetrap.com> <445B83B0.8080408@post.cybercity.dk> <307ad88fe38db8a4a3dacd0cdc0fb371@pfmentum.com> <1146852033.445b92c1542de@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser